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Lesley Groff And The Transcript From Her Epstein Related Trip to Congress (Part 16) (7/12/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with the Leslie Groff interview with
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  Congress question by mister Krishna Morthy. Now, thank you. I'm
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  Raja Christina Morthy from Illinois. Look. I presume that if
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  Jeffrey Epstein ever asked you to arrange a massage with
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  an underage person or a minor, you would have objected,
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  right Ms Groff, Yes, question. And I also presume that
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  if Epstein asked you to contact a minor or underage
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  person to set up an appointment, you would have said
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  something or objected right. Answer absolutely, chrysnal Morti. Okay, let
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  me introduce you to Exhibit G. Can you please share
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  that with miss Groff. I'll just show you a couple
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  of emails that we found that have your name on
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  them and they're with a couple of different people. I'm
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  going to direct your attention to the first page of
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  the stack. It has the Bates number EFTA and it
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  ends with it's our one zero zero seven four four
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  two seven zero and it says from Leslie Groff to redacted, Hello,
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  redacted hope you're having a nice weekend. Jeffrey will be
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  in town on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday and would like
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  to see you. Might you have some time, please let
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  me know, Leslie. Question you see that right at the
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  bottom of the chain, Graf. Uh huh question Okay, and
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  then redacted response, dear Leslie, thank you for your email.
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  What about tomorrow evening? Would you have some time? You
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  see that email, right, Graf yes, question and then you respond, Actually,
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  Tuesday evening work for you? Anytime after six pm? You
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  see that email, right, Graf, I do question. And then
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  the last email in the chain Tuesday, I'm at school
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  till ten pm. We have orchestra rehearsal for the concert
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  on Friday. Now, at that moment when you receive that email,
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  did you believe that this person was not an underage
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  person or a minor? Graf. I would not have suspected
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  at all that this would be an underage person or
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  a minor. Krishnal Morthy. So it's your testimony today that
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  you would have not suspected that this person is an
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  underage person or a minor. When that person responds that
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  they have orchestra rehearsal in the evening in your response
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  to your question about whether they're available, right, that's your testimony, Graf. Yes,
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  kryshnal Morthy, and you're under oath Graff. Yes. And look
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  not for me to jump in here and give Epstein
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  any kind of defense. But what if that woman that
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  they're talking about, or a girl, was in college and
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  she was of age. Now, look that doesn't matter if
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  she was being abused, right, But we have to be
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  particular and we have to make sure that we're using
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  the right terminology and we're putting people in the right categories.
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  Krishnal Morthy. Let me just turn your attention to another
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  page in the document, which is another email. Okay, it
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  has bait stamp. It's the third page in the stack
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  EFTA underscore R one zero zero six one five eight
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  five eight. Do you see that, ms Graff, I do,
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  kryshnal morty. Okay, let me start this text this email
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  chain again. It says, and this is from Monday December.
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  I'm sorry, Sunday December thirteenth at six oh five pm,
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  twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, So fourteen years into your tenure,
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  Hi redacted, Jeffrey will be in New York this week
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  and is asking if you could come see him on
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  Tuesday after work five thirty. Do you see that? Ms? Groff?
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  Uh huh question okay? Redacted or response, Hello, Leslie, I
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  have school Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday nights. Do you see that?
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  You respond? Uh? Okay? How about tomorrow day? Do you
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  see that? Graff? I do questions? Miss Groff? She says,
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  I'm working eight thirty to five thirty and school six
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  to nine. At that moment when you saw that, it's
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  your testimony that you did not believe that this person
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  was either underage or a minor. Correct Miss Groff, correct
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  question okay, and you respond you're a busy girl. I'll
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  let Jeffrey know. Thanks. So it's your testimony that when
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  you're sending out these emails and people respond to you
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  that they're in school or that they have orchestra rehearsal,
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  that you believe that they're not a miner or an
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  underage person. That is your testimony today, right, Miss Groff,
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  That is correct. Krishnal Morty, you're under oath, Miss Groff, Yes,
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  that is correct. Chrysnal Morthy. You want us to believe
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  that after eighteen years working in the employ of mister Epstein.
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  That not on one occasion did you believe that any
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  of your contacts in setting up these appointments with Jeffrey
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  Epstein were with either a miner or an underage person. Correct,
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  Miss Groff, That is correct, krishnal Morthy, And that we
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  should believe that it was reasonable for you to think
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  that none of these people were under age, Miss Groff.
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  That is correct, krishnal Morty. Okay, this strange credibility, Miss Graff,
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  I yield back. Garcia, thank you, Miss Groff. I have
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  a up questions. I just want to go back real
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  briefly to something that my colleague just said. So these
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  conversations that he pointed out for these emails, they happened
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  after Epstein's conviction. Is that correct? Answer? Correct question. So
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  it never crossed your mind after a conviction of an
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  obviously very horrific crime against an underage woman, that these
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  interactions that you were having with other women that were
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  talking about school orchestra practice never raised any concern to you,
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  Miss Groff. No, Garcia, So not once were you concerned
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  after knowing that Jeffrey Epstein was convicted of abuse of
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  a minor, that you had any sort of concerns that
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  you were having conversations with other women who were talking
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  about school and orchestra practice. Is that correct? Is that
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  your testimony? Ms Groff, that's my testimony. I never saw
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  anything inappropriate, Miss Whitcombs, she answered the question ms Groff. Yes,
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  mister Garcia, you never saw anything. But Jeffrey had been
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  convicted already and you knew that information, correct, ms Groff,
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  I did question. Okay, I just want to go back
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  to something else, Thank you, so, mims Groff, I just
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  want to go back to something that was asked earlier.
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  I know you had mentioned that you had arranged multiple
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  phone conversations with Donald Trump, not the president yet of course,
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  and mister Epstein. And then just for the record, again,
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  you did connect them by phone a few times, correct,
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  miss Groff? Correct? Question was that more than five times?
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  More than ten times? Do you have any idea how
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  many times you connected them by phone? Ms Groff. I
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  don't know how often I connected them. There would be
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  I said once a quarter maybe, or twice. If Epstein
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  was in town and he wanted to speak to mister Trump,
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  it might take me four or five times. To get
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  the two of them on the phone. But I don't
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  know how often that really occurred, miss Garcia. Mister Garcia,
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  and it's safe to say that you could have done
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  it multiple times a year, Graff, Yes question, Okay, so
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  multiple times a year over a period of ten years.
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  Ms Graff, Yeah, I don't really recall when they stopped talking, Garcia.
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  And then did you also arrange any meetings between mister
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  Epstein and mister Trump separate of just phone calls? Miss Groff,
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  it's possible. I don't recall anything offhand, mister Garcia, Okay,
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  but it's possible that you could have arranged meetings, but
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  you don't recall if there was a meeting. Did you
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  arrange any services from mister Trump that mister Epstein was
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  providing separate of a phone call or a meeting? Ms Groff,
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  no question. Would you characterize our friendship as a friendship? Answer?
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  I really don't know what the relationship was. I didn't
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  hear them speaking. I don't know, Garcia, because Epstein has
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  characterized it as a friendship. In fact, mister Epstein said
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  that he considered them actually best friends for a period
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  of ten years. Have you heard that in the media
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  or anything else before. Ms Groff, I have not questioned
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  and Miss Groff, earlier, when we ask you about mister
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  Epstein's relationship with Les Wexner, you were willing to provide
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  your opinion that there were friends as well as business partners.
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  So to the Congressman's question, how would you characterize a
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  relationship of mister Trump and Epstein, Miss Graff, I mean,
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  I suppose they were friendly. I don't know if they
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  had any business going on. That wasn't something that I asked.
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  That's not something I discussed with mister Epstein or mister Trump,
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  So I don't really know. It's possible that they were friendly, Garcia,
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  even though you connected them multiple times a year by
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  phone and possibly for meetings that you're not aware of, correct, Graf, Yes,
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  I don't know what they discussed or what the meetings
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  were for. It's possible they were friendly. It's possible they
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  spoke business. I don't know what it's about, Garcia. Did
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  you ever see a photo of mister Epstein and mister
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  Trump on mister Epstein's desk, Graf, I don't know. Question
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  you don't because I know you worked right outside of
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  his office, Graef, I did question, did you oftentimes go
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  inside mister Epstein's office, Graf. I would go in his
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  office after he would leave to pick up the garbage
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  that he threw on the floor and put it in
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  the trash can. I didn't go in there very often, Garcia.
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  But after working for him for eighteen years, in a
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  different period of time, in different locations, you don't recall
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  what photos may have been on his desk, Miss Groff.
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  It's been too long ago. I don't know. He did
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  have photos of important people on his desk with them
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  and important people, mister Garcia, but you never heard it
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  reported that he had a photo. I mean, it's been
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  widely reported by every major news outlet that he had
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  a photo of President Trump on his desk. I know
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  that you worked in his office. You don't recall or
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  never heard that there was a photo of President Trump
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  on his desk. Groff. It's very possible that there was,
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  but I don't recall seeing an actual photo per se
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  with mister Trump, Garcia, and don't recall hearing in the
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  media apparently, right, Miss Groff, I don't question, okay, no,
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  I appreciate that. Are you familiar with the birthday book?
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  That was provided to mister Ebstein for his birthday. That's
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  been widely reported, Miss Groff. I am now after his
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  death and I've heard about that. Yes, Garcia, but during
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  your employment, you were not involved or aware or made
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  any sort of inquiries about the book at the time,
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  Miss Maxwell. Project, Is that correct? Groff? Correct? From what
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  I understand? Question and you have no information about the
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  book or its creation? Answer that is correct. Question. Would
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  it be possible at the time Miss Maxwell's assistant or
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  anyone else you think could have been involved in the
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  process of that book besides miss Maxwell Groff, I don't know.
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  It's possible she could have had an assistant help her
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  with something, but I don't know. I wasn't involved in that,
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  but it wouldn't be unlikely that someone might have been
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  helping her. Question just last before I turn it back,
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  I just want to go back because I think it's
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  an important point that's been brought up. You know, it's
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  difficult to understand how, after knowing what Jeffrey Epstein had
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  done and up to a minor that you would continue
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  to set up appointments with other young women, other women
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  to mister Epstein and not ever once doubt that there
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  could be something happening in those moments. You never thought that,
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  you completely regardless of what happened. Again, I'll give you
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  another opportunity to explain it, but you never once had
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  any debt out that there could be something there happening
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  to these women, Miss Groff. At the time, I felt
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  like everyone in the office he was lying to, and
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  he was a very good liar and a very good manipulator,
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  and he brushed things under the rug. He led me
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  to believe that the accusations were false. And when I
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  looked around, everybody who was so smart, all his business associates,
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  all his Garcia continue Groff, Yeah, all his associates remain
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  friends with them, you know, kept meeting with them, et cetera. Garcia,
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  Ms Groff. You also admit, though, that you know he
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  pleaded guilty, Miss Groff. Yes, Garcia, so he pleaded guilty,
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  that he was guilty of the crime. Yet you still
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  didn't believe that, Plea Groff. I believe that he was tricked.
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  It was something. It was not his fault. It was
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  tricked and it was a big scheme. Garcia. Okay, thank you,
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  thank you, miss Groff. We will stop here for clarity
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  for the record. We had questions from Representative Bell and
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  also representative of Talib who did previously who didn't previously
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  introduce themselves into the record. We'll now go off the record,
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  all right, So that means we're gonna wrap up as well,
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  and in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're
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  gonna pick up where we left off. All the information
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