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119. Love Cthulhu! (Call of Cthulhu) · The Book-Watchers

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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: This is the first episode of season five. I'm saying
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  Speaker 2: that because every year I try to make it where
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  Speaker 2: each year is a season, but since we kind of
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  Speaker 2: go a little over so on but like every year
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  Speaker 2: is a season, so season five woo. Yeah. So today
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  Speaker 2: we I don't know if I said what we were
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  Speaker 2: going to talk about last week. I don't think I
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  Speaker 2: said what story it was. If I did, I'll cut
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  Speaker 2: that apart out. But today I originally was going to
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  Speaker 2: do at the Mountains of Badness, but due to being
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  Speaker 2: old and decrepit and hurt myself, I didn't have as
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  Speaker 2: much time to to put to that story as I
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  Speaker 2: want to. So this week we're doing the Call Cuthulhu instead,
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  Speaker 2: which is of course created by HP Lovecraft. Howard mister
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  Speaker 2: Howard the Racist, and he sa shit, they is love
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  Speaker 2: his work. It's of course in the American work. It
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  Speaker 2: is of course in the genre of consert corps. It's
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  Speaker 2: probably it is. It is H. Lovecraft's most popular, well
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  Speaker 2: known work, the Call Cthulhu. It was printed in publishing
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  Speaker 2: Weird Tales, and this is Weird Tales is a a
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  Speaker 2: horror fiction pulp magazine back in the twenties. Is it
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  Speaker 2: still going on today? I know, Dann, while they're not
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  Speaker 2: going on today, are they.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised. Holy shit, I think they're still
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  Speaker 1: going I.
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  Speaker 2: Think I think Weird tales is still going on today. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: I want to delve into that rabbit hole later. I
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  Speaker 2: did not know that was still around anyway. Yeah, weird
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  Speaker 2: tales back in the twenties. February nineteen twenty eight. Now
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  Speaker 2: what we're gonna do is I'm gonna go into the
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  Speaker 2: main story of the Calcatella and then go through alat
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  Speaker 2: of the background of it. There is a lot of
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  Speaker 2: background knowledge behind uh this story, but I think we
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  Speaker 2: would be smarter to go through the plot first. The
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  Speaker 2: plot centers around a deceased arder. His name is Francis
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  Speaker 2: Wayland Thurston, and he talks about his discovery of notes
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  Speaker 2: left behind by his grand by his great uncle Brown's
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  Speaker 2: university professor George Jammel Jammel Angel and Gel and of
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  Speaker 2: course his death was of course, this is after his
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  Speaker 2: great uncle's death in the winter of nineteen twenty six.
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  Speaker 2: In nineteen twenty seven, so amongst these notes, uh, there
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  Speaker 2: is a brass relief sculpture of a scaly creature which
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  Speaker 2: yields a which basically combines like the appearance of a
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  Speaker 2: human with an octopus and a dragon. Of course I have, oh,
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  Speaker 2: actually I have this figure. What'm I talk about. Oh god,
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  Speaker 2: this while I was working at the Art museum, this
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  Speaker 2: figure right here for those the viewer, for the viewer,
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  Speaker 2: some along this line, some along this line, maybe not
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  Speaker 2: exactly like cthil. So this sculpture was created by a
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  Speaker 2: Rhode Island art student call named Henry Anthony Wilcox, based
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  Speaker 2: on the works of dreams that he had, so based
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  Speaker 2: on works of dreams of a city that deals with
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  Speaker 2: and of course the references obviously Cthulhu and Ryland, which
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  Speaker 2: is a sunken city which is supposedly the prison for Cthulhu,
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  Speaker 2: Cthulhu's prison if you will, And it's also found and
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  Speaker 2: this is all found throughout wilcox papers and his own
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  Speaker 2: notes and documentation of the artist, and he of course
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  Speaker 2: his great uncle, going back to his great uncle, is
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  Speaker 2: discovering reports a mass hysteria around the world. O. Sorry, oh,
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  Speaker 2: not the fur ball. Not the furball.
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  Speaker 1: He's barking at something outside.
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  Speaker 2: Nope, now imagine if you will. This is back in
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  Speaker 2: the twenties. This statue was created by an artist who
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  Speaker 2: had dreams of this creature as well as a forgotten city,
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  Speaker 2: a sunken city. And apparently he wasn't the only one,
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of artists and creatives. We're also having these
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  Speaker 2: dreams of this creature as well as the sunken city.
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  Speaker 2: So his great uncle was looking into researching that mass
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  Speaker 2: hysteria that all these creative minds were having. These notes
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  Speaker 2: discussed a nineteen oh eight meeting of an archaeological society
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  Speaker 2: in which which in which New New Orleans police officer
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  Speaker 2: John Raymond, there's a lot of people in this book
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  Speaker 2: basically got some police officer named John I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 2: go over his whole name, asked attendees to define a
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  Speaker 2: silhouette of the unidentified greenish black stone resembling the creature
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  Speaker 2: of the statue. So it is then revealed that the
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  Speaker 2: previous year, the police officer and a party a policemen
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  Speaker 2: found several women and children being used in a ritual
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  Speaker 2: sacrifice by an all male cult now to get into
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  Speaker 2: the male cult. The male cult was the Again, this
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  Speaker 2: goes back to how Lovecraft is kind of racist, not
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  Speaker 2: kind of heat. All the cult members were minorities, I
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  Speaker 2: think some natives, African American stuff like that. It's a
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  Speaker 2: lat of minorities, which follows his for his fucking his work,
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  Speaker 2: because he has he does not like. He does not
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  Speaker 2: that man does not like minorities. He just he thinks
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  Speaker 2: they're vile. He thinks they're ruining everything. This is the
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  Speaker 2: part of the life, part of his life where he
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  Speaker 2: moves out of New York and moves back to Province
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  Speaker 2: with his two aunts because of because of New York's
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  Speaker 2: changing too much, as he puts it, coming too too
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  Speaker 2: too much. It became too woke, too many minorities. And
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  Speaker 2: Ryall was like, oh, that's like typical for that time. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but he made racist back then, be like, whoa, you're
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  Speaker 2: too much. So yeah, the cult, all the cults that
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  Speaker 2: he writes about are always minorities of some kind, Native Americans, Americans, Asians,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter Jewish. He has a weird thing with
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  Speaker 2: Jews too. It's you're not if you're not white, he's
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  Speaker 2: probably written about you anyway. So they save these women
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  Speaker 2: and children from this occult that they were trying to
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  Speaker 2: be used for a ritual for and after killing five
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  Speaker 2: of the cults and arresting forty seven others, the police
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  Speaker 2: officer learns that they worshiped the Great Old Ones. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the Great Old Ones for those of you who may
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  Speaker 2: not know which if you don't know, where have you been?
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  Speaker 2: So they give you the clean clep version of the
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  Speaker 2: Great Old Ones is a group of powerful, often manevolent,
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  Speaker 2: godlike cosmic entities in the course of the mythos. These
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  Speaker 2: would SPA would include Cathillhu. I'm trying to think some good,
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  Speaker 2: some well known ones outside of Cthulhu. Uh, let's see
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  Speaker 2: Cthulhu Cathilla, which is Cthulhu's daughter. Uh, the green god Haster,
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  Speaker 2: the King of Yellow isn't is a Great Old One.
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  Speaker 2: Granted that's not that's not koreb by love crap, but
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  Speaker 2: he likes Lot's friends include stuff into his worlds too.
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  Speaker 2: I think those are probably the most well known ones.
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  Speaker 2: Shibnigoth maybe I think it might be one of them,
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  Speaker 2: yig which is a serpent, humanoid serpent, a giant snake
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  Speaker 2: with human arms.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, those are something. There's a long list of Great
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  Speaker 2: Old Ones, but that's basically the gist is they're old
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  Speaker 2: not deities, because Cthulhu wat Twist is not a god,
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  Speaker 2: he's a priest. He's a priest of the Great Old Ones.
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  Speaker 2: But let's see where worry. Yeah, Russia of the Great
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  Speaker 2: Old One, Great old ones and and they await the
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  Speaker 2: return of the monsters being called. The presidents identify the
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  Speaker 2: satuettes as Cuthulhu, as Great Cuthuliou. One of them present
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  Speaker 2: at the meeting, Professor William Webb describes a group of
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  Speaker 2: what do they call thissess.
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: Again itings brings into minorities where the other professor talks
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  Speaker 2: about another group of natives with similar beliefs and fetishes
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  Speaker 2: of this creature. So basically it kind of is making
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  Speaker 2: a point saying that Cuthulhu is spread far and wide
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  Speaker 2: amongst different groups of people, mostly natives and groups alike. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So from there, the main character, Francis discovers in a
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  Speaker 2: nineteen twenty five article from an Australian newspaper which reports
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  Speaker 2: the discovery of a sunken ship, the Alert of which
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  Speaker 2: second mate there's a there's a lot of people, so
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  Speaker 2: there's only one survivor from this ship that he found
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  Speaker 2: a paper on. From there, this Jensen reports that he
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  Speaker 2: was originally aboard a second vessel, the Emma, when it
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  Speaker 2: was attacked by the Alert, a heavily armed yacht. The
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  Speaker 2: recruitment of of the Emma killed those aboard the quote
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  Speaker 2: unquote the Alert, which is the name of the other
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  Speaker 2: the sunken ship, but lost their own ship in the battle. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, this is when they discover the of course
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  Speaker 2: the ship is connected to two and all that fun stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So basically and discover an uncharted island in the against
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  Speaker 2: random coordinates that they find and with the ex with
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  Speaker 2: the sole survivor and another man the remain from the
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  Speaker 2: remaining crew on the island, he re f that the
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  Speaker 2: manner of there, of course they're the other guy's death.
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  Speaker 2: Basically they're stuck on this island and whole sunken ship.
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  Speaker 2: Blah blah blah, you know. And upon traveling to Australia,
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  Speaker 2: the main character views a statue from the Alert which
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  Speaker 2: is identified to the previous two in Norway. He learns
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  Speaker 2: that Jensen died suddenly after an encounter with two sailors. Basically,
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  Speaker 2: of course, this is this description is kind of going
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  Speaker 2: all over the place here, but basically the ship they
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  Speaker 2: encounter a crew encounters Cuthlilihou and should go south. They
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  Speaker 2: lose a ship. There's only one sole survivor. Cool, and
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  Speaker 2: when they board the alert, the other ship the yacht,
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  Speaker 2: it's when they're pursued by Cuthlilou, and that's when Cuthleliou
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  Speaker 2: first shows himself as this statue, but it's much larger
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  Speaker 2: and he's trying to basically get killed him. I guess
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  Speaker 2: he didn't really specify what he's trying to do. But
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  Speaker 2: they rammed the yachts. The armed yacht. The soul survivor
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  Speaker 2: rams the armed yacht into the head of Cthilieu, only
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  Speaker 2: for its injury to regenerate, but dropping its rampage for
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  Speaker 2: the time being as it puts here and he escapes
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  Speaker 2: on the ship and the crew member and the rest
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  Speaker 2: of the crewmates died. After finishing the manuscript, Francis realizes
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  Speaker 2: that he is now a target to a target of
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  Speaker 2: Cthulieu's worshippers and helps in vain that he will be
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  Speaker 2: just that he will be destroyed following his death. So basically,
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  Speaker 2: this guy finds paperwork from his uncle great uncle that
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  Speaker 2: he's doing research on these mass hysteria of among of
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  Speaker 2: these different types of people worshiping Cthilihou and it goes
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  Speaker 2: down and basically it's him going down this whole rabbit
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  Speaker 2: hole about how indigenous groups are worshiping Cuthulhu. To this
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  Speaker 2: ship accident that ends up where they were someone supposedly
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  Speaker 2: end up seeing saw Cuthulhu ram into ran the ship
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  Speaker 2: into Cuthlulhu's big old noggin octopus shaped noggin.
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  Speaker 1: And.
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  Speaker 2: He fears, he fears, or he not. He realizes after
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  Speaker 2: doing all this research and going down and down the
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  Speaker 2: rabbit hole, he's like, oh shit, I'm a target for
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  Speaker 2: these worshippers. Now, well fuck me, I guess. Basically that's
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  Speaker 2: the story, which is a guy going down a rabbit
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  Speaker 2: hole finding out some ship that he wished he.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't, Yeah, which honestly, it's surprising because like Call of
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  Speaker 1: Cthulhu is one of HV love crafts really like memorable
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  Speaker 1: and most easily recognizable story. And it's short. It's a
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  Speaker 1: very short story. And uh, like the imagery, the iconography,
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  Speaker 1: everything about it, Like there's so much that like there's
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  Speaker 1: such a cult following for justice one story that when
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  Speaker 1: you actually read it, it's kind of like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to say it's disappointing, because the story is it's
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  Speaker 1: a pretty interesting story, yeah, but it's disappointed because it's
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  Speaker 1: there's not more of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's part and that story is part of
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  Speaker 2: the reason why they losing pop culture like he is.
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  Speaker 2: And half the times people don't even know where he's from.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they see him and they're like, oh, I know
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  Speaker 1: that guy, but like wait, who created him? Well he
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  Speaker 1: was created like one hundred years ago, raised this piece.
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  Speaker 2: Of shit exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So there, aside from just this short story that
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  Speaker 1: he's appeared in, has appeared in a lot of different
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  Speaker 1: pop culture references and like there have been He's had
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  Speaker 1: his own movie create. There was a movie created about
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  Speaker 1: the Call of Cuthou, there was a video game made
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  Speaker 1: about the Call of Cuthou, and there was even a
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  Speaker 1: movie that while was not specifically the Call of Cthulhu,
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  Speaker 1: we still got Cuthulhu.
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  Speaker 2: There's a whole tabletop of RPG game called Call Cuthulhu.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm like, yeah, call Cthulhu is everywhere in some way,
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  Speaker 2: shape or form.
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  Speaker 1: YEP. And Cthulhu's image has been used like outside of
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  Speaker 1: just Call of Cthulhu, Like there have been references to
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  Speaker 1: him and uh, like in Rick and Morty, you see
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  Speaker 1: like the intro there's Cthulhu right there. We may not
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  Speaker 1: necessarily be Cthulhu and another book series uh by author
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  Speaker 1: Jeremy Robinson Jeremy Robinson is one of my favorite independent authors.
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  Speaker 1: For the most part, he's pretty self published. He had
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  Speaker 1: a he has his own little multiverse. Uh. And there
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  Speaker 1: was an alien species called the Eros in his stories.
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  Speaker 1: And the Eros are basically Cthulhu. They except they don't
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  Speaker 1: have wings, and their technical faces are more like the
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  Speaker 1: They don't have tentacles, but like starfish arms, so like
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  Speaker 1: you know, like there's a breed of starfish with those
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  Speaker 1: like longer spindler. That's pretty much what these got what
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  Speaker 1: the Eros look like. And uh, the Eros also create
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  Speaker 1: these Kaiju creatures that they use as like shock troopers,
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  Speaker 1: and they call and the And there's one particular kaiju
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  Speaker 1: that they just call Cthulhu because or Lovecraft because they
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  Speaker 1: call it Lovecraft because it's literally Cthulhu. It has wings,
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  Speaker 1: it has the tentacle face and the octopo's head, but
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  Speaker 1: it kind of looks it's gorilla built. Honestly, Yeah, it doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't walk like a human. It walks like a
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  Speaker 1: gorilla where it's like hunched over, you know, walks on
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  Speaker 1: its knuckles and everything.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I know what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And we even got a surprise Cuthulhu appearance
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  Speaker 1: in uh in a movie called Underwater.
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  Speaker 2: Oh. I stood up in the field. I'm like, I
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  Speaker 2: know that guy, I know what that is. I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: I did not know going in, and I was pleasantly surprised.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know what to expect when I went to
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  Speaker 1: see it. I got into the theater and like throughout
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  Speaker 1: the movie, I was like, Oh, this is actually lit
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  Speaker 1: because it's pretty scary because Underwater Horror they get me.
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  Speaker 1: They like they're their funds watch and they're pretty freaky
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  Speaker 1: and like we get the we get these like humanoid
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  Speaker 1: creatures that are killing everybody. And I'm like, oh, that's lit.
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  Speaker 2: They look like I was like sitting in the theater,
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  Speaker 2: like they look like those like deep ones, which is
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  Speaker 2: another creation of love after Course, which when you look
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  Speaker 2: into the story of the not the mountains of End's Mouth,
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  Speaker 2: but the Oh my god, me find it, lou Oh,
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  Speaker 2: the Shadow over End's Mouth. Oh god my yeah, chemera quality. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: So the Shadow over his Mouth is basically a town
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  Speaker 2: full of these deep ones where basically the offer up
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  Speaker 2: women to these fish people, and these fish people who
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  Speaker 2: worship Daegun and they reproduced that way and stuff. So
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  Speaker 2: basically they look like at the Deep Ones and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: why do they look like at the Deep Ones though,
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  Speaker 2: And at the very end you see Cthulhu and I'm like, oh, yeah, I.
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  Speaker 1: Saw I saw Underwater with I think I saw it
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  Speaker 1: with James and Lucas, my my brother Lucas, and uh
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  Speaker 1: like I just remember seeing that scene and I looked
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  Speaker 1: over at them and I'm like, it's fucking Cuthulhu. They
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  Speaker 1: brought in fucking Cthulhu. What the fuck. I wasn't ready
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  Speaker 1: for that. I was like, hold up, hold up, we
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  Speaker 1: went from we went from the Deep Ones to Cthulhu.
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  Speaker 1: What holy shit? Yeah, it was pretty. It was lit though,
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  Speaker 1: because like it was such an awesome reveal at the end,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I don't think I've seen Cthulhu
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  Speaker 1: in any like I had never seen Cthulhu in live
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  Speaker 1: action like that before. And it wasn't mean I don't
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  Speaker 1: even know, like they don't really say it's Cthulhu, but you.
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  Speaker 2: Look at it and it's like, you know, the design
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  Speaker 2: is the design is literally there. I was like, that's
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  Speaker 2: because I was with my I saw my ex boyfriend
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  Speaker 2: or boyfriend at the time, and I'm like point to
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  Speaker 2: the screen because as we all know, I love my
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  Speaker 2: cosmic corp Lovecraft. I love my ship.
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  Speaker 1: He's a cosmic core.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm a cosmic horn.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But yeah, also, like if you want to like
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  Speaker 1: other like like other times that Cathu's image has been
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  Speaker 1: like has been used. Look at Davy Jones from Pirates
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  Speaker 1: of the Carib caribbying like he's literally at octopus headed I.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Or or look at doctor Zoiberg from UH Future
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  Speaker 2: granted with the crab hands, obviously that's different, but like
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  Speaker 2: the Tentacles, Yeah, you can obviously tell.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, is very iconic.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes he is. And again he's very He's very
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  Speaker 2: engraved in pop culture. That's why they call it the
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Cthulu mythos, because he's the most recognizable thing in there.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: And of course Cuthilia is also a reference in other
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: people's works, because of course Lovecraft loved to share his
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: world with his people, with his friends, so you've got
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: different writers writing different things, and of course people add
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: to his world all the time with modern day stories
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: to get into the background of it. Originally, when Lovecraft
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: submitted this work to Weird Tales, UH, the editor rejected
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: the story at first. And you're just like huh, why
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: would he reject literally one of the most well known
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: stories that Lovecraft has ever written, But apparently it wasn't
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: accepted until his friend, is another writer named Donald Wanderley.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to see what because he's another writer, but
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to see what other what work he's done.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: He's another pulp fiction writer. Fun guy. Oh, he did
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: a lot of Lovecraft universe stuff as well, like the
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: fun guy from Yolk though. And yeah, he's part of
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: he's part of he's part of his circle of friends.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: But due to his friend, that's when the Oh, his
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: friend lied, that's what he did. So his friend Donald
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: went up to the editor. He's like, hey, so, I mean,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I mean you're not accepting it. I mean Lovecraft is
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: kind of looking thinking about submitting it elsewhere. And the
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: editors like, oh, now, what's we'll accept it then, So
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: his friend lied, saying that he was gonna look, he's
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: gonna shop else where, see the other pulm fiction magazines
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: to have it published. And that's where that's when the
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: editor changes his minds like, yeah, no, I'll take it.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: You said lying, But I call that negotiation.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Because it's not really lying. It's negotiating, yeah, because a lot.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Of that's attack. That's a contact that that teased by
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of yea, like a lot of writers like
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: oh well, like I mean if you if I don't
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: get published here, then I was thinking about submitting it
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: at this other publisher. And it's like as soon as
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: you do that, the publishers like, hold on, hold up, now,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: let's not get too nasty, like, yeah, you would, you
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: would cheat on me with another with another editor, with
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: another publisher, like bitch, like you weren't about to like
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: sell out anyway, exactly, like don't act all innocent. But yeah,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: so there there was a lot of imagery. Like one
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: thing I find interesting, like you know, they refer to
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: the Great Old Ones, right as these like gods, right,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: these gods.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Like entities, the.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Creatures from at the Mountains of Madness. They're called the
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Great Old Ones.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes they are.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: So they're like interesting, like and it's interesting too because
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: we because like when we do eventually get around to
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: reviewing the Mountains of Maddess. Yeah, the Mountains of Madness
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: is peak.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: It's his longest work.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's good and I think wasn't it his
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: earliest one of his earliest.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Too, or I I think.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: So regardless of okay, so regardless of that, I'm want
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: to point out, like we're like, we're not gonna go
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: too much into the story, but in the Mountains of
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Madness it talks there there are these alien creatures called
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: the Great.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Old Ones and the Mountains of mans Is nineteen nineteen
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: thirty six.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Because okay, well they call it. These alien creatures ruled
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: the world basically for billions of years in fact, like
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: they're the reason why life exists on Earth, and they're
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: called the Great Old Ones, and uh, at one point
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: they go to war with several other alien species because
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: like they come to Earth, they got here first, they
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: were here on Earth first. They they they spread life
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: throughout the cosm, throughout the world, right, the reason the
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: reason why the Earth is the way it is now.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: But at several different points throughout the throughout their immensely
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: long history like billions, like like billions of years, right,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: they fight like two other alien alien species that come
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: to Earth, and one of them are these like Cthulhu
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: like creatures, and they call them the like children of Cthulhu.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: So there's references to Cthulhu, and then there's another one,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: like they fought Cthulhu's children first and they want barely.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Like the thing is that like the children of Cthulhu
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: ended up taking over like like the northern half, like
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: the northern half of the world, and the Great Old
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Ones were either forced to like force down to like
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: the southern hemisphere, like Antarctica, South America, things like that
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: are where However, the continents were shaped back then, because
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: continents were a lot different back then. Yeah, but uh
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: or they were forced back underwater because they could because
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: the Great Old Ones were able to like live where
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: like try try triphibious is what they were called. They
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: can live on land, they can live in the water,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: and they can also fly, so they uh so they
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: had different environments they can live in. And then like
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: before they're they completely vanished from the world. They fought
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: another race that was more like This race was the reason.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: This other alien race was the main reason why they've
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: pretty much disappeared from the world because unlike with Cuthulu,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: they were able to fight the children of Cuthuu and
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: to a salemate. This other species was like way stronger,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: more devastated because they came from not from a space,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: but from like somewhere else.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly so.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: But we're going to talk about that at another time.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: When when a certain somebody on this podcast.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, you know what, you know what, that one deserves
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: to dig, take a longer time to get ready because
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: that's his longest work and it's almost like jam packed with.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: That man.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: That man puts so much into that story. Yeah, I mean,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: he sends to do that with all his work, but
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: that story in particular, I had a lot going on. Yeah,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: but yeah, Cthulhu, I mean, is a great old one.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: I love how he uses the great Old Ones and
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: then names and alien race the great old ones and
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: you're just like, what they're they're same? No, they're different,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: they're different. Why did you that? I don't know. I
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Mind, but his let me put it this way. His
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: books are, his stories are iconic, and they've garnered like
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: a huge pop culture following. But they're not the best
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: or the most well written stories you will ever read.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: No, they're not.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people love them. I mean that's
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: all that matters. A lot of people love them and
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: love the stories, but they're they're not. I don't want
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: to say they're not good, but that they're not good,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: like they're not they're they're nowhere near the level of
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: like Tolkien or Frank Herbert.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: I can't fight I can't fight you on Tolkien.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't fight me on Herbert either. Herbert wrote
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: a twenty two novel series with a much more expanded
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: and much more fleshed out storyline then Lovecraft has ever written.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: I do do, but anyway, that is Call of Cthulhu. Yeah, yeah,
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: of course you can. You want to read Call of Cthulhu,
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Call of Cthulhu. They don't because of how short the
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: novels his stories are. They don't ever release them in
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: like their own little novellas.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I mean some have, but usually they're some. Like some
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: publishers have released just the Call of Cthulhu by itself,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: but they have like a big afterward or forward with
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: it as well. So if you don't want that, you
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: could just pick up like an essentials book like I
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: have this copy of the Essential of the Essential Tales
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: of HP Lovecraft. This one came comes not only with
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: uh Call of Cthulhu, but it also comes with at
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: the Balance of Madness, which surprisingly is hard to find like,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: let me tell you something I already had, like before this,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: this copy I got last year, like this copy I
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: got last year, but before that copy, I also had
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: this copy here. You know tales great tales of horror,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: But this one does not have At the Mountains of Madness. Yeah,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: it does not. And I was like, wait what Because
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I was looking, I was like, oh, yeah, I have
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: like the the Essentials right here, So let me pull
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: it up. And I was like, where is it?
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Where is it here?
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: And I went out. So and I went out, and
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I was looking for more like other books, and I
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: was realizing, like, wait a second, these other books don't
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: typically have it. And then I got this And then
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I finally found this one at a at a used bookstore.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: H And I'm like, why is this hard to find?
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. There's also a website that I'll put the actually,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: I'll put the website in the link in the in
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: the show notes. There's a website has all love Craft's
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: work published, so you can read it online as well.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: So it's a lot easier to find because a lot
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: of his work, majority of his work is in public domain. Now, yeah,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know if Cthulhu is yet Cathulau was created
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: in nineteen for a long time it's been see was
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: it one hundred years before his public domain something like that,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: because Cthulhu was created in nineteen twenty eight. So if
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: he if he's not in public domain, he will be
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: really soon. Maybe he's not already.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let me see.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: But outside of that, the other like some I want
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: to talk about, was he references an earthquake that happened
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: in the story that happened in the northeast part of
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: the United States as well as Canada in nineteen twenty five,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: and he references apparently he took inspiration from some people argue,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: you took inspiration from its she well's the world of
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: the Worlds the influenced call Cathillhu, which.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Is public domain, is public domain?
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Bet yeah, bet, but yeah no, I mean Call of
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Cthulhu is his most well known work, most iconic work
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: as far as like stories that people think of when
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: they think of HB. Lovecraft between let's see, uh, but yeah,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: I know it's the fun read if you want to
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: read about somebody going down a weird rabbit hole. Was
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: great uncle's research.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, I gotta do more research on public domain because
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: it says like in the United States, most works published
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: before nineteen thirty one are now in the public domain
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: as of January first, twenty twenty six, marking a ninety
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: five year term from public head for older works. For
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: works created form nineteen seventy eight onwards, copyright typically lasts
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: for the author's life span plus seventy years or ninety
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: five years after publication for corporate owned works.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, the public domain has.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Changed a long time. Yeah, So if you're an individual creator,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: you take the life of the author, and then you
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: add seventies years to that. Yes, so basically seventy years
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: after so like while they're alive, of course, and then
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: like after that you add seventy years to that, and
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: after that seven years is public domain.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Unless unless the family take gets the rights to it
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: or whatnot, which sometimes they do sometimes they don't. So
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: seventy years, yeah, it'd be. He died in nineteen thirty seven.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Of course his work, so some of his works did
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: come out after nineteen thirty one, so some of that,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: some of his works might not be all in public
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: domain now. But calcathillu is and I think coloradust spaces, Yes,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: a lot of his well known works are were published
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: before then. I think the Mountains of Madness. Yes, Mountains
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: of Madness is not in public domain.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: I don't think. Maybe by this point it should be.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: If it's it, but when was it published? In nineteen
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: thirty six? Thirty six? Okay, yeah.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: It might be.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, if not yet, it's coming up.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: It will be. Most of his work will be because
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: I think his his last story was published because I
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: don't think The Mountains of manis was his last story,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: but it was one of his last stories anyway. Yeah,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, political views. Conservative E. Lovecraft died of cancer
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: because he refused he was too scared to go see
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: a doctor.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, love crap was very he was rif it was
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: very agrop agoraphobic.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that man's very fucking weird. Love his work,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: don't love the person.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, like you're a nerd basically, honestly, Like, if
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: you want an a good example of like an author
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: you can't help whose work you love, but you hate
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: the author, I would definitely say J R R J
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: R rallying yeah, or J K rowling I'm.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Sorry, yeah, thank you so much.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Rallying with her transphobic comments. You know, her transphobic belief.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: You know a lot of people hate her now yeah,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: the rightfully so yeah, and then but then you know,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: we can't help but love her work. Like you know,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I grew up with Harry Potter, love Harry Potter, even
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: with her transphobia. I'm just like, I, oh, I still
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: love Harry Potter, but I hate that bitch. Uh huh.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: But I love about like I love how now. Like
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: when they made Hogwarts Legacy, they put a trans character
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: in Hogwarts Legacy's character in Howard's Legacy, And when I
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: found that character, I was like, oh, that is great,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: that's most That's a huge fuck you too, rallying right
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: there exactly.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Personally, personally, I think Warner Brothers or Netflix, since they're
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: buying Warner Brothers, whoever, I think so much, should buy
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: the property outright from her, because as long as she's
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: connected to the property, it's never going to sell real
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: well in theaters. Again, it's really not because she ruined it.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: The last movie was good. I saw it was good,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: but it it just did not do well in the
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: box office because of her name attached to it.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean, at this point they mostly
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: they almost have. They mostly have total control over it.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: She just basically collects the royalty checks at this point.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. That's the why people don't want
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: to support that though, because she gets money from it,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: which I don't blame, but it's like, my god, which I.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Just it's it's just like, uh, it's astounding. How like
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: you know, one of the things that she's often praised
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: for is like she's the she's like one of the
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: first women to become a billionaire from just being a
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: book author, right, but yet she also lost her status
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: as a billionaire because she kept donating a lot of
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: money to different charities. Right, She's like, so you can't
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: deny that she's doing she she's helping people, she's doing
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: good work by by with her charity, with her supporting
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: multiple different charities. But at the same time, how can
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: you be how can you do that and yet you
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: can be a transphobe.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Like that and put money into conservative ideology and parties
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: and all that shit for laws and back laws and
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: ship It's so why would you bite the hand that
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: feeds you? Does she not know that majority of her
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: family a good chunk If I would say, I would
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: argue half at least, if not more, of her fan
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: base LGBT. I would argue over half of her fan
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: base is just that alone, So why would you bite
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: the hand that feeds She's like Nicki Minaj, why would
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: you bite the hand that feeds you?
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Nick?
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Well, Nick Minaj is a maga stand Oh yeah, like
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: full on maga. She's gone all. After Charlie Kirk's death,
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: she went on like a great what to call it?
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: They had some convention of conservatives with mega people and
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk's wife invited her and she came on and
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: she's just you know, the gays don't stand her anymore.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: She yeah, she's full of maga and just it's it's trash.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: So it's like that, why would you bite the hand
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: that feeds you? Again with her. In Nick Minage's case,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: the majority of her fan base is LGBT, so cute,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: why would you? People are dumb? People are dumb, but
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: the ship always comes up to the top at some point.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: And of course people found out about Htre Lovecraft after
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: he died. Yeah, he's a piece of shit as well.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: But the only difference between that and now, you can,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: honestly if people want to get pissed that you're that
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: people are supporting an author that's alive today. That's one thing.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: But like when people are like why are you reading
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: love class work when he was a racist, I'm like,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: he's dead.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Like he's not getting that money, he's not.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Getting any of that money. And whoever it is, he
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: doesn't have any kids, So like, I don't think he
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: had any kids.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure, Like I think he was married. Yeah,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: he was pretty sure. Even his own wife was so like, yeah,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: grossed out by the guy that she did not want
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: to she did not want to contribute to that.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Jamie Pool, Yeah, exactly. So it's like, I'm sorry, I
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: will continue reading Lovecraft's work and call him my own
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: being a bigot.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Because me reading it.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Because most of the stuff you can find online for free,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: like that website that will be in the description below,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: because people love his work, and there's a whole literary
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: podcast for it, the hpe HT Lovecraft Literary Podcast. Go
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: listen to it. It's great. It's a lot of these
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: a lot of the older episodes from like twenty ten
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: at least, they're almost like sixteen, fifteen years old. But
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: it's it's a good podcast. If you want a literary
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: take on his work and have it all breaking down,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: broken down, that will be a description below, because some
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: of that stuff is really fucking good too. But yeah, no, yeah,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: but that basically that's called Cuthilu by man doing it,
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: doing it, going down a rabbit a hole of his
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: great uncle's research and then finding out, oh shit, now
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: I'm a target for a cult of this giant spaghetti
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: octopus dragon monster that's not a god, the priest of
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: the outer odds. Yeah, he may be asking what are
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: the outer gods? You'll find out when we talk about
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Mountains of Madness, because I think they reference them.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: That they're too, Yeah, the invading races with one of
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: the invaders were like outer gods or servants of the
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: outer gods.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm sure, and I'm sure in the Mountains
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: of Madness they reference nothing lawful tip the Black Pharaoh
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: and all that ship.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I think they they reference several other great old ones.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: And of course we have I had a few past
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: episodes of HP Lovecraft's work on this podcast within the
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: first year I did Empiells on this, which I'm sure
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: I'll probably end up redoing those episodes anyway, because why not.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: I do want to tackle a bunch of his other work,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: like I do want to tackle Horse, Mountains of Madness,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: The In's Mouth, Color ass Space, The Dune, Which Horror.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Time did we do color out of a Space? Out
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: of Space? Because we did? We did that?
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, I think I think we did. We
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: might have been color Space because and I then we
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: talked about the movie at some point, either on this
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: podcast or Spook.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: We did it. It's an episode honestly at the point,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: like when do you think about it? Like Spook does
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: something similar to what we're doing, except like we do
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: the books and movies, while Spook is just mostly horror movies.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Horror media.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, horror media. So we're both dealing with like
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: media different kind So like if you look at one one,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: if you're looking at one where we talked mostly about
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: like movies that have literary origins, of course we ran out.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: We've mostly ran out of movies that have had a
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: literary origin, so we decided to switch to just literature
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: in general. Yeah, but mostly like we cover We've also
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: covered sci fi, fantasy, romance, literary, RPG, horror, mm hmm uh.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Some action adventure, some mystery like did we already do
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: the Relic? Yes, yeah, we did the Relic? And did
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: we do Relic? Did we do the Reliquary?
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: I don't remember. I had to, I had to.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Well either way. We also we covered a lot of
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: different books, and we've covered books that are just it's
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: like classic books that set that basically set up entire
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: franchises and have been made and remade into different movies.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: You know, like now Harry Potter is getting to that
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: point because Harry Potter was originally they started rallying wrote
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: these books in the late nineties, right like late nineties
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: throughout the mid to late two thousands, because the last
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: book I remember, I was in high school when The
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Deathly Hollows came out. So now it's getting to the
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: point where we have all of the book, we have
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: the for the original movies, and now we're getting the
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: TV show for Harry Potter, which I'm excited for.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I might watch it, I don't know.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: I'm excited for I'm excited for it, but I'm not
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: really excited for it. I don't know.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: I personally, I am excited for it because like the
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: TV show has potential to make some like correct some
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: mistakes that the movies made include include topics and story
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: in parts of the story that was excluded from the movies,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: like mainly like how the importance of a person's wand core,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: like a person's wand how the wand is made. It's
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: wand core, it's material like that was important in the books.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: There were characters that were excluded from the movies that
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: appeared in the books. So I'm hoping that they actually
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: include that in the upcoming Harry Potter show. All right,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: I'm excited about I want to see I just want
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: to see this new take, all right. I personally enjoy
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: when they when they come up with something new for
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: like for certain pieces of literature. All Right, we had
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: we had the Lord of the Rings, like right now,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: the Lord of the Rings. The only thing that like
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: we have for the Lord of the Rings is the
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Peter Jackson movies, right and of course we had the
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: animated movies that came out in like the eighties.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the anime films made by the job.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: And the funny thing is that, like they're not all
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: like the Lord of the Rings, like Peter Jackson, like,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: you can't. You're not gonna be able to beat Peter
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Jackson's movies with the Lord of the Rings in the Hobbit.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: So if they go back and decide, oh, we're gonna
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: remake it into a TV show or into a movie,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: like and you're not gonna be able to beat Peter Jackson.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: You're not. Just not You're not gonna be able to
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: beat it. And and then you have other ones like Dune,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: which just had multiple movies and TV adaptations, and it
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: wasn't until we got denisve Lnu news adaptations that finally
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: we have like a good story like good, like we
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: have a good adaptation due, Yeah, a good Dune movie. Yeah.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Like I love Denise. I love Denise versions. I love
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: those movies. Like people say, oh, they're boring, I'm like, well,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: you're boring, you're boring.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: You can't appreciate the story. You can't appreciate If you
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: think it's boring, then you're not really appreciating the story.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: You're not appreciating the lore that Denise did a really
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: good job of building up. Yeah, all right, and then
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: there are other movies that are hopefully there are other
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: book like literary movies and books that we're gonna be
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: reviewing in the future. Like right now, our focus is
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: just on popular movie like popular books that have been
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: uh that we've been reading, you know, RPG like I
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: love recently, I've read The spell Shop and there's a
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: few other like there was others like the lit the
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Legend of Dritz. That's and uh, there's gonna be more
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: that I'm planning on. I'm gonna be finishing that I'm
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: reading now, Like well, the Court of Thorns and the
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Court of Thorns and Roses isn't technically a lit RPG.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: It's more of like a like a Roman romantic Yeah,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: and I hate it that. I'm a little mad at myself.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't usually follow, like I don't usually
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: get caught up in these like really popular like romanticies,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: but here I am reading this one. I'ma be honest,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: I'm probably not going to read Fourth Wing, mainly because
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: like the concept of driving Dragon Writers has been done
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: before by another author, and I love like I love
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: that dirt, like I love Polini's work over Fourth Wing,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: like Fourth waing to me like when we reviewed it,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: I was like, this is kind of dumb. Oh oh,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: it's kind of dumb. Oh. If I do read it,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be a long time before I get around
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: to reading it. And also I have a bunch of
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: other books that I have that I'm gonna be reading.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Like once I finished Corn of Thorns and Roses, I
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: literally just finished reading the second book. I started the
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: first book last week, and I just finished the second
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: book this week.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Damn okay read.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: So now I got the third book, and I'm like, well,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: there's five books, and there's a six book coming out,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: so I might as well, like when I get the chance,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: get the other two books and finish reading it. And
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: then also I have another fantasy book that I'm reading
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: called The Warded Man, part of the Demon Cycle. Yes,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: so I discovered this book when I was when I
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: was in New York last year, I was at it.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: I was at a Barnes and Noble there. I was like, oh, well,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: we've pretty much seen everything we can see. We're about
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: to fly back. So I thought, I'm just gonna walk
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: go into Barnes and Noble and see like what books
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: they have here, because you never know, like what books
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: are popular in Texas may not be there might be
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: books in New York that were popular, right that you
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: won't see in Texas. And I saw this book because
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: they had all there's like five books in the series,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: and they had all five books next to each other,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: and the spines of each book has like a little image,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: but when you put them together, they create like a image.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I saw that. I was like, ooh, what
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: is this because demons? Hello? Love love a good book
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: about demons.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: I love a book about demons.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, love a good book about demons. And I started.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: I decided, okay, well, I've I typically let movies decide
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: what books I read or like. If I get if
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: someone like gives me a really good recommendation and gives
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: me a good idea of what who expect, then I'll
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: read it. But or if like, if I get like
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: or if I like look at it, see it read
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: and I've heard about it, like, okay, yeah cool, I'll
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: read it. But this one no idea what it was about.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: I saw. I saw, I was like, oh, demon's cool,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: why not I'll just go in blind. And I went
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: in blind. I read, I just finished, I just recently
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: read it after the New Year's and I was like, oh, oh,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: I'm liking this right now. I got four other books
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: I gotta buy, so I'm gonna read. I'm gonna finish
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: reading that one too. But then like I like, I
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: had to wait before I got the second book, and
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: then I realized, okay, well I have the first book
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: of a Qatar. So I started reading that and I
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: was like, oh no, it's a rabbit hole. I fell
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: into it. So I'm gonna finish reading uh Aqatar first,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna finish reading The Warded Man, And
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: now there's gonna be like and then I got to
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: finish the books that the other books I got from
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: my birthday and Christmas, because everyone decided to get me
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: nothing but books, which I'm not mad about. Like I'm
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: just like, okay, my to be read is already long
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: enough and now it's longer.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Same same I have. I have several books, several books,
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: the Hazel Thorn, I have The Ghost in the Shell,
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: which I mean, I don't know if I'm I don't
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: know if this aisode, because this upisode might I might
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: rearrange the apisodes a little bit. This one might be
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: after season five. Anyway, I got a huge collection of
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: all the manga for the original manga for Ghost in
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: the Show, and I'm like, I could finally read all
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: of it, and I'm like, oh my god, I'm gonna
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: do an episode on it. Well, it's gonna be a
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: two part in the future because going over to the
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: manga and then watching the movies, well the the anime movie,
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: the original anime movie, and then the live action American
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: live action movie if I can find it, yeah, find
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: a way to watch it. But the original ones on TV,
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: so that's not that's not hard to find. But had that,
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: I have Hazel Thorn. I have several other books I've
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: had for like a year that I have not read yet.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Gotten around to Red Rabbite Rebel, which Heartless Hunter Lady Macbeth, Like,
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: I have a list of books too.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I started. I took a step into the world
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: of Brandon Sanderson's Cosmeir with with the Storm my Archives.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: I read The Way the Way of Kings, and I
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: got to tell you, it is a good book. I
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: actually I really loved it. I was surprised because like
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: when I read it, I was still coming down from
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: the high of the of the Wheel of Time, just
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: like no, like Wheel of Time was an epic fantasy
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: that I loved reading, and then I read Way of Kings.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this is just as good, but I
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: don't want to say it's better, because like, I still
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: love what the Wheel of Time, and the thing is
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: though I started. When I finished reading it, I was
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: debating him whether or not I'm gonna continue reading the
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: story because epic fantasies they go deep, like it's a
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: they go deep. There's a lot of lore, there's a
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: lot of story to it. And the thing is though,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: like you don't technically have to read any of other
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: any of Brandon Sanderson's other cosmir in order to like
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: get the like in order to be able to enjoy
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: the Stormline Archives, but it does tie in. They all
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: like do technically tie in together. And I was like,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna hold off on finishing the series
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: because right now there's like six books, I think five
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: or six books out and I think it's still and
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: it's still ongoing, and I'm like, if I read this,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: it's gonna take me forever because it took me. It
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: took me nine months to read all the Wheel of Time.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: It took me a long time to read the Wheel
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: of Time, and like this book, like the Stormline Archives,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: is shorter, is way shorter. But and I'm like the
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: books are thick, like even the paperback books are thick,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: like this, this is the addition of the way of
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: things that I have.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: That's a brick.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the brick. All right. It didn't take me long
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: to read it. But still when I started, when I
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: did start reading it, I was like, there's a lot,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of lore, and but I I knew, like,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not as obsessed with I'm not obsessed
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: with this book like I was with Wheel of Time.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Because with Wheel of Time, I was deep diving into
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: every part of it. I was like, what does this mean?
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: What does that mean? Like I don't need sleep, I
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: need answers, right, yeah. And Brandon Sanderson, like the reason
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: why I got into his Cosber was because he finished
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: he closed out The Wheel of Time after Robert Jordan
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: passed away. But so I wanted to give his works
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: a try, and I did. And I'm like, I'm gonna
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: hold off. I'm finishing it until I get a few
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: other fantasy series out of the way, because now I
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: have cor Thorn wrote Cord of Thorn, Thorns and Roses.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: I have the demon Cycle with the one these guys
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: right here, So these books up here that I'm reading,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: and then I'm also going to be starting Red Rising soon,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Like once I finish with these two series, I'm gonna
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: start on Red Rising. And well before I start Read Rising,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: I have a bunch of standalone novels up here that
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: I still have to read. So I was gonna get
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: those out of the way first and then start on
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Red Rising. And like I have the first book, I'm
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: going to give it a read. If I like it,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: I'll keep reading the series. If I don't like it,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: then I'll just leave it. I'll just leave it at that.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: But I be after those books that I'm gonna get
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: into Stormlide Archive, like just go back into it.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: I need to make a list of books that are
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: on my reading list. I haven't gotten to because I
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: don't know how many there are.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: How do you realize I have an I have an
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Amazon book list, and that's what I pretty much That's
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: why I sent everyone for Christmas? Like what do they
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: asked me? What do you want for Christmas? Here, I'm
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: just gonna share you this list, pick a book, buy
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: it for me, And that's what pretty much everyone did, like, uh,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: you know, and I like taking my time with reading,
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: although like if a book is really good, then I
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: like actually like just plow right through it, just like
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: I need more because you know, if a story is
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: that good, then I'm gonna read it. Like like a
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: few stories do that for me, like Wheel Times did.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: The Wheel of Time did that for me. A guitar
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: is doing that for me now, and Christopher Palini's The
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Inheritance Cycle is doing that. Did that for me. That
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: was like one of the first book series that I read,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: like through and through, next to Harry Potter. And there
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: are a few others I've read. And Percy Jackson is
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: also another one. I'm loving the Percy Jackson TV.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: Show catch Up, You catch up yet, Hurry up?
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: The season Villa just came out for season two.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: I know, I know heard it's pretty good.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: It's really good. I love like, I love how Walker
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: Scobell is, like how he's portraying Percy. Yeah, he's doing
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: a good job. But they got a hurry. They have
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: to hurry and finished making the rest of the series
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: because he's already seventeen and he's supposed to be playing
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: a fifteen year old. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's not.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: They're already filming season three and they've already completed season four,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Like I think they've just completed production on season four,
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: so they have the series lined up, like the next
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: part is coming out the later this year. Yeah, like
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: they're probably gonna do what they did this year, like
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: Percy Jackson. Season three is gonna come out and like
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: start coming out in December, like December through January, and
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: then season four is the next year, and then the
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: season five is the next year.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: After that, and they've start filming as their released seen
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: the season previous season.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're gonna start like they He's mentioned that
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: he wants Logan Luhrman to come to make a cambo
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: because for those of you who don't know, Logan Lerman
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: was the original Percy Jackson. He played and he played
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: Percy Jackson in the original twenty ten Percy Jackson The Olympians. Ah,
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: that movie was okay, it wasn't great, all right, all right,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: yeah it wasn't great. It wasn't really my favorite. The
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: Seat of Monsters was terrible. I'm just saying that right now. Yeah,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: it was terrible. Yeah. I didn't like it at all, and.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: Near did the author.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because they basically like just did everything on their own.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: They didn't really talk to me. They didn't talk to
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: Rick rey Ordan or anything.
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  Speaker 2: So and that's why he's like, have I ever if
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: we ever do something in live action with this book series,
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be part of it, or it's not
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: gonna happen.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And Disney came in. It's like, hey, we'll
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  Speaker 1: give you like, well, we'll work with you, like all right, cool,
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Disney's making a smart move for once.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean Disney also produces, the produces, the publishes
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  Speaker 2: the book series. So yeah, that's that's it's not that
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  Speaker 2: far of a stretch.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's there, like, they own it, so they
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: if they're gonna if they're gonna make it live action,
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  Speaker 1: they've better have a good job of it. And they
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: got we're eventually going to get the Inheritance cycle and
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  Speaker 1: TV show and Plini is working with Disney. Yeah. Oh,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: Disney is making the Aragon series.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: Oh that's new. I didn't know that.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, it's in production right now. I don't know
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: when it's gonna come out probably like the like from
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: what I've heard, it's either gonna be sometime in twenty
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: twenty six or twenty twenty seven. Most likely it's gonna
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: be twenty twenty seven because they haven't really said anything
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: else about it. Yeah, so hopefully we get it, Holly,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: it's good, and hopefully it's not that trick. It's not
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: a train wreck like the original one was, because I
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: watched the original one first and then I read the
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: book series. And after reading the book series, that's when
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: I was like, movie is trash? Movie was trash?
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: Movie? Was GARBAGEO?
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  Speaker 1: Eureka, garbage?
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: You won't go listen to that episode's one of the
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: first episodes we've ever done this podcast, and we go
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: into we go into that movie.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: It's yeah, we read that movie to filth.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: Because I didn't like watching the movie again.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: I was like, this movie was filth.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, GARBAGEO garba. But thank you all listening. Today's episode
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: on Call of Cthulhu catches X to talk about something
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: else until then. Bye.