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Building A Filmmaking Career On Collaboration, Smart Gear Choices, And Community · Studio B Sessions

• 0:04
  Vipul Bindra: Welcome.
• 0:05
  Vipul Bindra: We're back for another season of Studio B sessions.
• 0:08
  Vipul Bindra: Who can believe there's another season?
• 0:10
  Vipul Bindra: Obviously, a lot is the same, but we are changing a lot of things.
• 0:14
  Vipul Bindra: So we wanted to make it better last season.
• 0:16
  Vipul Bindra: I did it, you know, the fastest way possible to, you know, do this as a passion project where we could share information, knowledge, fun things about video production, help other filmmakers out there.
• 0:27
  Vipul Bindra: And it was done with one camera, you know, the quickest mode way I could, no editing.
• 0:32
  Vipul Bindra: We're still gonna keep with that theme.
• 0:33
  Vipul Bindra: It's gonna be raw, real, unfiltered conversations with no editing, but we did make it fancy.
• 0:39
  Vipul Bindra: We got multi-cameras.
• 0:41
  Vipul Bindra: Let's cut them.
• 0:41
  Vipul Bindra: Let's see.
• 0:42
  Vipul Bindra: And it's all being live cut.
• 0:44
  Vipul Bindra: Let's cut.
• 0:45
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, look at that.
• 0:46
  Vipul Bindra: So, so look at that.
• 0:49
  Vipul Bindra: Alright, so, and then the person doing this is our producer from last season, Mario.
• 0:54
  Vipul Bindra: So he's helping us produce this.
• 0:57
  Vipul Bindra: Uh so awesome.
• 0:58
  Vipul Bindra: All right, and our guest this time is Esteban.
• 1:01
  Vipul Bindra: Thank you for coming.
• 1:03
  Vipul Bindra: A filmmaker who's been doing this for a few years.
• 1:06
  Vipul Bindra: You just moved from Memphis all the way to Orlando, where I am.
• 1:11
  Vipul Bindra: So welcome.
• 1:12
  Vipul Bindra: How's it going, man?
• 1:14
  Esteban Eordogh: Doing good, man.
• 1:14
  Esteban Eordogh: Thank you for the opportunity.
• 1:16
  Esteban Eordogh: It's been uh fun, you know.
• 1:19
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh uh I've helped you quite a bit to set up the you know the the multicam and all that stuff, and it's super fun.
• 1:26
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh when you help people, that is their fat their their passion project, and you know, you're also a gearhead and nerd, you know, when all it comes to all cameras and stuff.
• 1:36
  Esteban Eordogh: So this is super fun for me as well.
• 1:38
  Esteban Eordogh: And thank you for the opportunity.
• 1:40
  Vipul Bindra: Of course.
• 1:40
  Vipul Bindra: I uh and that the point of this is just to have conversations with people, you know, and a not only just to just have fun, man.
• 1:47
  Vipul Bindra: Like, you know, this is what I love, this is the passion, but also there's so much knowledge that can be given to people, you know, who maybe new or even been doing for a while, and just haven't heard because you know, some people in the industry like to gatekeep, and that's just not my style.
• 2:01
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, everything should be open, and you get more business when you're more open, not the other way around.
• 2:06
  Vipul Bindra: That old school thinking needs to go away, right?
• 2:08
  Vipul Bindra: We can all help each other grow and do better.
• 2:11
  Vipul Bindra: And uh, what's awesome to me is how we connected.
• 2:15
  Vipul Bindra: So so just to tell the story, it's so interesting.
• 2:19
  Vipul Bindra: So I was doing uh the shoot for one of my clients, it's a car company, we need to do a shoot, and uh they had a decent budget, but nothing you know, major.
• 2:28
  Vipul Bindra: It wasn't like a big manufacturer, so we couldn't just pull, you know, like I have uh tilta, hydra alien, the full size mounts.
• 2:35
  Vipul Bindra: So we can do a car rig, we can put an FX6, FX3, or 4D run in whatever on it.
• 2:40
  Vipul Bindra: But I wanted to do we had like two hours, so it all thing we had two tracks, an hour each, and I was like, How's how's the fast way we can do it without cutting the quality?
• 2:49
  Vipul Bindra: Because my client deserves the best, right?
• 2:51
  Vipul Bindra: And I was like, Oh, here's a camera that I've been ignoring, which is the DJI Pocket 3, and shout out to Justin, who's here on last season, who put me, you know, who got me excited about the camera.
• 3:01
  Vipul Bindra: And I was like, that'd be perfect because Tilta makes the little Hydro Alien Mini, which is kind of like the full size, just smaller for the Pocket 3.
• 3:10
  Vipul Bindra: So essentially that was my plan, right?
• 3:12
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, I'm gonna bring a couple of these, couple of pocket threes, we can do it fast because of the tracking features.
• 3:18
  Vipul Bindra: It's a small camera, and we can move fast, but also the footage will be good, having seen the footage.
• 3:24
  Vipul Bindra: And now the problem, I go straight to you know BH or Amazon, and the camera is apparently sold out because it's popular.
• 3:31
  Vipul Bindra: And so I go to our group chat, uh, started by David.
• 3:34
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, hey, anyone got a pocket three?
• 3:37
  Vipul Bindra: And you reached out to me, and man, you were a godsend on that shoot.
• 3:40
  Vipul Bindra: You like killed it.
• 3:41
  Vipul Bindra: I'm gonna help have you take it from there.
• 3:43
  Vipul Bindra: If you're gonna talk just on your side, what what what happened, you know?
• 3:47
  Esteban Eordogh: All right.
• 3:47
  Esteban Eordogh: So, first of all, let me preface this with the footage looked sick.
• 3:52
  Vipul Bindra: Yes, I can't wait to.
• 3:53
  Vipul Bindra: The project's still not done yet, but I can't wait to share it because uh it's gonna look incredible.
• 3:58
  Esteban Eordogh: I'm I'm like, you know, so eager to see what we actually come up with that one because it looked amazing.
• 4:04
  Esteban Eordogh: Um that was fun, I will say this, all right.
• 4:08
  Esteban Eordogh: But a little bit about you know how we got here.
• 4:12
  Esteban Eordogh: Um I've been doing this for two years.
• 4:16
  Esteban Eordogh: Then, you know, I own a company uh called Phoenix Films, right?
• 4:20
  Esteban Eordogh: And we started in Memphis, um, and then we started doing some concerts and live events, and um in Memphis, you're not gonna get that type of stuff.
• 4:32
  Esteban Eordogh: So then we got two massive gigs here in the state of Florida, and then we got asked to bid for another big project over here, and then we lost it because you know you can't compete with pricing when you're adding uh flights and hotels and all that stuff, and then I just you know told my business partner and my wife, hey, pack your bags and let's go, and then we're here.
• 4:59
  Esteban Eordogh: Um that has you know its challenges because I was in Memphis for a little over 24 years.
• 5:08
  Esteban Eordogh: So, you know, I had already I know everybody, you know, I know uh uh the mechanic, you know, the guy at the bakery shop, like all the little, you know, all the little ins and outs of the city.
• 5:19
  Esteban Eordogh: I knew that, and then you get to a city that is five times bigger than Memphis, um and you got some stiff competition, okay.
• 5:30
  Esteban Eordogh: Um so you got to a point where like, okay, fine, we did the gigs that we came here to do, and then now what do I do?
• 5:39
  Esteban Eordogh: Yeah, okay.
• 5:40
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh now to take on on the part that you said about gatekeeping and stuff like that, right?
• 5:46
  Esteban Eordogh: I can't agree with you more on that statement because that's how I started with my business partner, too.
• 5:55
  Esteban Eordogh: Um, we both used to do our thing on the side, and then, you know, we message each other and then hey, let's do, you know, one of these like fun projects, and then that turned into like, hey man, can I borrow your you know your 35 millimeter, you know, I got an interview here, and then you know, it got to a point where um I had a big project coming up, right?
• 6:19
  Esteban Eordogh: And I couldn't do it by by myself.
• 6:20
  Esteban Eordogh: Like, there's no way, there's no way I could have pulled this one off by myself.
• 6:24
  Esteban Eordogh: So I was like, okay, we wanted to work together, okay, let's do it.
• 6:27
  Esteban Eordogh: This is the time.
• 6:27
  Esteban Eordogh: And then from that uh project came another project, then it came another project, and it came another project, and then I was like, okay, man, you know, we've been working on five projects together, might as well just go and you know, go and add it together and just you know, start working things as you know, as a team instead of like, you know, uh and life is easier, you know.
• 6:47
  Vipul Bindra: When you when there's more of you, I've always now to be real, my company technically it's just me, but it there's you know hundreds of people behind it because I'm hiring so many different people.
• 6:58
  Vipul Bindra: Because at the end of the day, a this is a collaborative thing.
• 7:02
  Vipul Bindra: Last I I don't see remember seeing a movie with the title credit of one person, right?
• 7:07
  Vipul Bindra: I'm sure there's some random indie project, but I'm saying like nothing nice can be made because it takes a lot of effort, it takes a lot of people from pre-production, you know, to post-production to everything.
• 7:19
  Vipul Bindra: And uh and and um if you can find somebody, especially in the corporate commercial field where I am, and you're more like I think in the event space, uh, event production and and and similar to what I'm doing, uh, it's it's easier to have people that you can partner with.
• 7:34
  Vipul Bindra: So if you two were in the same trajectory and it sounded like it clicked, but you're talking about Alex, right?
• 7:39
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah, had a great chance to meet him on that shoot.
• 7:41
  Vipul Bindra: So yeah, great guy, had fun working with him.
• 7:44
  Vipul Bindra: So I'm so glad.
• 7:44
  Vipul Bindra: So now you two came together, right?
• 7:47
  Esteban Eordogh: So this is another thing that that actually helps when it comes to that.
• 7:51
  Esteban Eordogh: So he is much younger than I am.
• 7:53
  Esteban Eordogh: You know, I'm about to be 45 years old, and uh he's 28.
• 7:57
  Esteban Eordogh: So you know, he's all into the the Instagram and this, everything has to be Instagrammable and go on that, and I'm more into the corporate side of the stuff.
• 8:06
  Esteban Eordogh: So, like um, I was the one to to push, you know, to have an actual website, to do our you know, branding, to do um uh make it look more like an actual company and not just two dudes with you know with cameras, you know.
• 8:22
  Esteban Eordogh: Um and he's the one that actually goes and you know records the cool stuff and puts it on, you know, puts it on the on the social media and and that kind of stuff, you know.
• 8:33
  Esteban Eordogh: So the beauty of that is when we combine two very different styles, okay, things actually look very nice.
• 8:46
  Esteban Eordogh: You know, so uh for example, you know, we got into the uh event stuff because of him, okay?
• 8:53
  Esteban Eordogh: So he like he's the one that likes the music.
• 8:54
  Esteban Eordogh: I'm the one who was doing you know interviews and corporate, you know, corporate commercials and working with restaurants and you know things like that, right?
• 9:04
  Esteban Eordogh: But then you know, you could tell that I had a super corporate style, you know.
• 9:10
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh, and then you know, he started editing, you know, some of the commercial work that we have done.
• 9:16
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh, and then I mean the thing just it just went a whole different route, you know, and customers loved it, you know.
• 9:23
  Esteban Eordogh: So um, you know, we were in it, you know, 50-50 because like we it was a both thing.
• 9:30
  Esteban Eordogh: It's like, listen, dude, you know, you got things that I don't have, yeah, and he has things that I don't have.
• 9:36
  Esteban Eordogh: You know, so uh that's the that's the beauty of it, right?
• 9:40
  Esteban Eordogh: So then to take it even further, right?
• 9:44
  Esteban Eordogh: When we did the project, you know, the shoot the other day together, um, I was actually seeing and learning from you guys and you know, taking things, okay.
• 9:54
  Esteban Eordogh: Oh, you know, what do you guys do that we can incorporate into our workflow, you know?
• 9:59
  Esteban Eordogh: Yeah, exactly.
• 9:59
  Esteban Eordogh: Um, and that's the I think that's where where having a great community of filmmakers, you know, it's it helps at the end of the day, it helps everyone.
• 10:10
  Esteban Eordogh: Exactly.
• 10:11
  Vipul Bindra: And that's my entire point.
• 10:12
  Vipul Bindra: You know, I totally believe in here's the truth about the industry, you know, because there's shoots where it's gonna be uh, you know, budgets are shrinking, clients expect more, and that's just the way industry is going.
• 10:23
  Vipul Bindra: You can fight it, but there is no way to, you know, fight that.
• 10:26
  Vipul Bindra: Now, obviously, don't I don't want to talk about clients that are trying to take advantage of you.
• 10:30
  Vipul Bindra: That's a different thing.
• 10:31
  Vipul Bindra: But I'm saying the industry is going where you have to do more and the and the for less budgets.
• 10:36
  Vipul Bindra: Point is so there will be projects where you go do them solo, there'll be projects you go do with your partner, and then there will be projects where you need 10, 20, 30 people.
• 10:46
  Vipul Bindra: You're not gonna have those 28 people on your payroll, right?
• 10:49
  Vipul Bindra: So at the end of the day, you work with other people.
• 10:51
  Vipul Bindra: Like just before we started this, I got a text from a buddy who's like, hey, we need some post-production work.
• 10:56
  Vipul Bindra: Can Julie tap in?
• 10:58
  Vipul Bindra: And it's like, absolutely, you know, that's why we're here.
• 11:00
  Vipul Bindra: Because that doesn't mean we're instantly his editor, right?
• 11:03
  Vipul Bindra: His editor is bogged down with work, but that doesn't mean he's gonna stop taking work, right?
• 11:08
  Vipul Bindra: You cannot bring on another editor full time because that's not where your company's at.
• 11:12
  Vipul Bindra: It's like, hey, limited time, we need an extra editor.
• 11:16
  Vipul Bindra: Hey, buddy, you're my friend.
• 11:17
  Vipul Bindra: Can you help me out?
• 11:18
  Vipul Bindra: I hope that makes sense.
• 11:19
  Vipul Bindra: It's basically all about tapping into your resources and it helps both.
• 11:23
  Vipul Bindra: It's extra revenue for me, my editor, it's extra, you know, help for my friend, and then it helped in the end everyone wins.
• 11:30
  Vipul Bindra: I hope that makes sense.
• 11:31
  Vipul Bindra: You grow together, you win together.
• 11:33
  Vipul Bindra: This old school mindset, and I find it very much with either people being around in the industry a lot, or just assume that's how it works, because you know, that's just your brain thinks like it's a scarcity mindset, right?
• 11:46
  Vipul Bindra: Like, oh, there's so much only so much, right?
• 11:48
  Vipul Bindra: Like, I gotta get it all.
• 11:49
  Vipul Bindra: And then the part they don't get is there's so much work, right?
• 11:52
  Vipul Bindra: There's so much work, like the amount of gear, I'm not even a gear rental company, the amount of gear I rent to people who's coming from LA, Atlanta, New York, whatever, in Orlando to film, and we're all right here, right?
• 12:03
  Vipul Bindra: So there's so much work that we could just be doing, and I'm talking in just our tiny market that is there to go around that there is no reason to have scarcity mindset.
• 12:14
  Vipul Bindra: That's just in our brain, right?
• 12:15
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, I have found that anytime I'm open, I'm collaborative, I'm helping other people, it always comes back.
• 12:22
  Vipul Bindra: So that's what I just recommend to people.
• 12:23
  Vipul Bindra: And like, look at you.
• 12:24
  Vipul Bindra: Like you say, you like you said, you were doing great, but now you partner with Alex, and you two can together bring in your personalities together and do better.
• 12:33
  Vipul Bindra: And and in the end, everyone wins, right?
• 12:35
  Vipul Bindra: Right.
• 12:36
  Esteban Eordogh: And you know, the you just said something that is totally true.
• 12:43
  Esteban Eordogh: That what goes around comes around.
• 12:45
  Esteban Eordogh: You know, someday I will help out someone, and you know, next thing you know, your phone is ringing, be like, hey man, I need help with this.
• 12:53
  Esteban Eordogh: Can you can you help me with that?
• 12:54
  Esteban Eordogh: So um, you know, we say in my country, you know, that brings a tail, right?
• 13:00
  Esteban Eordogh: So that brings, you know, consequences, good consequences, by the way.
• 13:03
  Esteban Eordogh: Right?
• 13:04
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh, and then for that shoot, for example, I remember you telling me I don't have budget for that, dude.
• 13:08
  Esteban Eordogh: Don't worry about it.
• 13:08
  Esteban Eordogh: You know, like it's all good.
• 13:09
  Esteban Eordogh: Like, you know, um, you know, someday, you know, it it'll it'll come it'll come back.
• 13:17
  Esteban Eordogh: It'll come back at some point, you know.
• 13:18
  Esteban Eordogh: So like don't worry, don't worry about it, you know.
• 13:20
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh and that's a good thing about not working in a scarcity mentality, just what you said.
• 13:25
  Esteban Eordogh: So that's a that's your you're correct.
• 13:27
  Vipul Bindra: And you'll be amazed.
• 13:28
  Vipul Bindra: I've I've done this with clients where obviously, like, for example, I want to work technically direct with clients, right?
• 13:33
  Vipul Bindra: I don't want to be a day rate person, I want to be a production company.
• 13:36
  Vipul Bindra: That does not mean I don't have desires to be a DP or help on projects, like you said.
• 13:41
  Vipul Bindra: So I've had where somebody's like, hey, I just need you today to help me out.
• 13:45
  Vipul Bindra: Like, I don't need a company, right?
• 13:46
  Vipul Bindra: I could have that, oh no, no, I'm not gonna help you.
• 13:49
  Vipul Bindra: And that's the wrong mindset.
• 13:51
  Vipul Bindra: And you would be amazed how many people were I'm like, sure, I'll come just help you, right?
• 13:54
  Vipul Bindra: And it's come around, and now it may not have happened right there and then, but I have clients that that I literally met for something really small, and six months later, a year later, they're like, hey, I got this big project.
• 14:07
  Vipul Bindra: And now you go, Oh, that little project, that little favor comes back because now it's tenfold.
• 14:14
  Vipul Bindra: You know, it's something much, much bigger.
• 14:15
  Vipul Bindra: So it's happened to me, and I know it happens to a lot of people that I know that like they'll help someone and they then they, you know, they'll they'll give it right back.
• 14:23
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, because sometimes, you know, I get projects that are not up my alley, you know, or not the right fit.
• 14:28
  Vipul Bindra: Then I'm like, hey, here's a contact I know.
• 14:30
  Vipul Bindra: Maybe they can close it, right?
• 14:32
  Vipul Bindra: Or maybe they like to do it.
• 14:33
  Vipul Bindra: So so that's at least the way I operate, and I like I said, I it's worked so well.
• 14:37
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, it's been it's been a long time since I've been doing this.
• 14:41
  Vipul Bindra: Uh I started 2010 freelancing, 2018 the production company.
• 14:45
  Vipul Bindra: Um, but but now like taking back to it, so that's that that's so the how about how we met.
• 14:50
  Vipul Bindra: What's crazy to me though is that you know, it's one thing, because I for a little bit left Orlando and then came back, but I came back to a city I was familiar with.
• 14:58
  Vipul Bindra: You, on the other hand, literally took your life and committed to and your wife and committed and your business partner and committing to moving all the way from Memphis, uh, all the way to Orlando, and you not only just moved, you bought a house, so you're committed.
• 15:14
  Vipul Bindra: Uh how did you get this this huge level of commitment?
• 15:17
  Vipul Bindra: I hear about the jobs, but you know, it takes well more than that.
• 15:21
  Esteban Eordogh: I have a I have uh an advantage that I actually do have an eight to five job and I work remote 100%.
• 15:26
  Esteban Eordogh: So the production company for me is it's kind of like a site hustle for the moment, right?
• 15:36
  Esteban Eordogh: Which I'm giving myself three to five years in order to start living off of this, right?
• 15:42
  Esteban Eordogh: Um so that's what made the decision somewhat easier.
• 15:47
  Esteban Eordogh: Now, with that being said, if I wanted to be ambitious, if I wanted to get the the projects that I know we can do, right?
• 16:01
  Esteban Eordogh: Being in Memphis was not gonna cut it.
• 16:03
  Esteban Eordogh: Because I'll tell you why.
• 16:05
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh you just said in our tiny market, like, dude, compared to where I come from, this is massive.
• 16:14
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, right.
• 16:15
  Vipul Bindra: But hey, if you want to know that little time that I was in here, I was in Shoals, Alabama.
• 16:20
  Vipul Bindra: Talk about Memphis being small.
• 16:22
  Vipul Bindra: Now that's that's like very, very tiny.
• 16:25
  Vipul Bindra: So I know I have I've been there.
• 16:26
  Vipul Bindra: Right.
• 16:26
  Vipul Bindra: What I'm saying is, and and again, you're I would love to know your experience.
• 16:29
  Vipul Bindra: But mine was same thing.
• 16:31
  Vipul Bindra: Everyone told me you're gonna fail because there's no one here to want video production, and whoever wants, there's this already established company.
• 16:38
  Vipul Bindra: And look, we did spectacular the year one.
• 16:41
  Vipul Bindra: What I'm saying is that I at least don't believe in listening to negative thoughts.
• 16:46
  Vipul Bindra: Yes, is it gonna be as easy?
• 16:48
  Vipul Bindra: No, but the whole thing is you don't have competition.
• 16:50
  Vipul Bindra: My entire point is if you're in a small market, yes, you have less gigs going around, but it also means more opportunity because it's you and maybe a few other fish in a tiny pond, you know, but you're also tiny fish, so you can go get, you know what I mean, like you it's easier to find work.
• 17:07
  Vipul Bindra: I was able to very easily go establish myself because I was like, hey, there's only but me and another person or another company.
• 17:14
  Vipul Bindra: It's not like they have tons of choices.
• 17:16
  Vipul Bindra: And and they can only handle so much, right?
• 17:19
  Vipul Bindra: Right.
• 17:20
  Vipul Bindra: So here I am, uh, you know, establishing myself.
• 17:23
  Vipul Bindra: So and it worked great.
• 17:24
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, but go back to Jordan Five Telegram.
• 17:26
  Esteban Eordogh: You know, here's here's the the thing with that, with that, right?
• 17:30
  Esteban Eordogh: I actually think I took advantage of that because the companies that we were, I'm gonna say competing against, you know, the other the other people that were doing the exact same thing that we were doing, um, they have been in the industry, they have been in the industry for 40, 50 years, yeah.
• 17:49
  Esteban Eordogh: Right.
• 17:49
  Esteban Eordogh: And then you see their their you know, their product, and it's good quality, right?
• 17:54
  Esteban Eordogh: But there's that spice, you know, that it's needed.
• 17:58
  Esteban Eordogh: It's old school, yeah.
• 17:59
  Esteban Eordogh: It's old, it needs to be updated.
• 18:01
  Esteban Eordogh: So they need they and and then we started coming up with like new and refreshing things, and um I started getting to a point where where my customers being were being asked, yo, who did that for you guys, man?
• 18:18
  Esteban Eordogh: You know, so you know, and it's this guy, okay.
• 18:22
  Esteban Eordogh: And and there's there's only two of us, right?
• 18:25
  Esteban Eordogh: So then uh for me, my mentality was really cutthroat, more like you know, I'm not trying to be bad or anything, okay, but I want what they got.
• 18:38
  Esteban Eordogh: Yeah.
• 18:39
  Esteban Eordogh: And and and I started with a phone and a gimbal, right?
• 18:43
  Esteban Eordogh: I did not know two years, three years, almost three years ago, what ISO 12,800 was.
• 18:50
  Esteban Eordogh: I I I had no clue, okay.
• 18:52
  Esteban Eordogh: Nothing, nothing whatsoever.
• 18:53
  Esteban Eordogh: And then I started, you know, sleepless nights, you know, three o'clock in the morning, you know, trying trying to get uh I wanted to do a video with uh locked on stabilization on it, right?
• 19:05
  Esteban Eordogh: Well, you know, how do you do that?
• 19:06
  Esteban Eordogh: The game get on it and you know start you know So YouTube University, the YouTube university, and then until we started doing you know courses of you know for actual photography courses and you know, and then uh how to light and you know got one my part 107 drone license and then here we go.
• 19:26
  Esteban Eordogh: And then next thing I know, next thing I know I got you know two FX3s, you know, an FX6, uh, you know, a $2,000 drone, and uh, you know, I got more stuff than I can than I can handle and you know, in in a in a oh crap, I gotta pay for this stuff, you know.
• 19:43
  Esteban Eordogh: So, you know, that that's kind of where we went to.
• 19:46
  Vipul Bindra: Exactly.
• 19:47
  Vipul Bindra: No, I I get it.
• 19:47
  Vipul Bindra: That's and that's just how how it starts.
• 19:49
  Vipul Bindra: But the main thing to me is at least it's your passion.
• 19:52
  Vipul Bindra: I find that when you know you do it for a passion, it just makes your work better because it doesn't feel like work.
• 19:57
  Vipul Bindra: Now coming back though, uh the you I know you Said you have a nine to five.
• 20:00
  Vipul Bindra: What's your nine to five?
• 20:01
  Vipul Bindra: I'm a software engineer for international paper.
• 20:04
  Vipul Bindra: You know what would be crazy if you talk to my mom, because she would be like, you know, the uh obviously she'd be like, you engineering is the ultimate job.
• 20:13
  Vipul Bindra: You know, to them, it's like you make videos for you know companies that like doesn't seem like a real thing.
• 20:19
  Vipul Bindra: So you're you know, you're in this situation where now you're a software engineer, you've got a great job.
• 20:25
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, clearly you work remote.
• 20:27
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, life couldn't be any better.
• 20:28
  Vipul Bindra: And you're like, hey, let me try this art thing called videography and business thing, you know, like why do you want to live life on hard mode?
• 20:37
  Esteban Eordogh: So it was something that I don't know if you remember, but we were when we were at the track, you know.
• 20:42
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh I actually told you, if you would have asked me two years ago if I would that I was gonna be trying to do this for a living, I would have told you that you are absolutely nuts, insane, not a chance.
• 20:52
  Esteban Eordogh: Yeah.
• 20:52
  Esteban Eordogh: But I think where I made the decision, it was the first time that we went to Miami to go do our first concert.
• 21:01
  Esteban Eordogh: Um the artist uh is a pretty big artist.
• 21:08
  Esteban Eordogh: Stadium was 14,000 people in the stands.
• 21:11
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh I mean the stadium was just pumping.
• 21:15
  Esteban Eordogh: Yeah.
• 21:15
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh we didn't go to sleep that night.
• 21:18
  Esteban Eordogh: And then we delivered the the video and photography because we did photography and videography for both.
• 21:26
  Esteban Eordogh: Um, and then we're driving back from Miami to Memphis 16 hours.
• 21:32
  Esteban Eordogh: Wow.
• 21:32
  Esteban Eordogh: Um and we did it for a thousand bucks.
• 21:37
  Esteban Eordogh: That's all we got paid, okay.
• 21:39
  Esteban Eordogh: Um but for us it was something amazing.
• 21:43
  Esteban Eordogh: But then driving back on the 16 hours, one guy was driving, the other guy was editing.
• 21:50
  Esteban Eordogh: Um we started seeing Instagram, and the footage that we just got that we just delivered, it was in Univision, in uh, you know, RT uh R U T N the You know the Colombian the Colombian uh channel news channel in El Gordo en La Flaca uh and I was like what um and the adrenaline rush I I can't I can't I cannot describe it you know um we did a couple of inter-Mami games and to go take pictures and do videos of you of Lionel Messi I mean it was just something else um we did Miami and Orlando uh we went and recorded photography and videography with uh Reuben Blades.
• 22:39
  Esteban Eordogh: Um that literally that concert almost brought tears to my eyes because I mean he's been singing salsa for 50 years now.
• 22:48
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh and it brought me so many memories, you know, with me and my family and all that.
• 22:52
  Esteban Eordogh: And I can't describe the I can't describe the feeling.
• 22:57
  Esteban Eordogh: Exactly.
• 22:57
  Esteban Eordogh: Um to have backstage, you know, backstage uh access because you are actually working in the concert.
• 23:06
  Esteban Eordogh: Amazing.
• 23:07
  Esteban Eordogh: Just the the the the adrenaline is just something else.
• 23:11
  Vipul Bindra: No, I totally get it.
• 23:12
  Vipul Bindra: And I can feel the passion, you know, sitting here with you because at the end day, you know, it's not just about doing video, it's about who and what and when and with who you're doing that video.
• 23:24
  Vipul Bindra: And seems like you know that that made you just fall in love with the what what we do, right?
• 23:30
  Vipul Bindra: Making videos, obviously.
• 23:31
  Vipul Bindra: Uh so that's that's awesome though.
• 23:33
  Vipul Bindra: You were you seems like even though you've only been doing this three years, you've landed yourself, and like you said, you have a nine to five that to an engineering job.
• 23:41
  Vipul Bindra: You've been able to land yourself a lot of amazing projects.
• 23:44
  Vipul Bindra: What do you think that sets you apart?
• 23:46
  Vipul Bindra: Why would a concert in Miami get these two guys from uh you know Memphis, Tennessee?
• 23:53
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, of all places, uh like you said, like you said, yourself, not the smallest market, but not a big market, you know.
• 24:00
  Vipul Bindra: Uh so why let's talk about that.
• 24:02
  Vipul Bindra: How did you guys get that gig?
• 24:04
  Esteban Eordogh: So when I going back again, going back again to how me and my business partner operate, he is the creative person, I'm the corporate person.
• 24:16
  Esteban Eordogh: Um the first guy that or the the the artist that I'm talking about, his name is Silvestre Langon.
• 24:24
  Esteban Eordogh: He's Colombian, that's from his town that he's from.
• 24:26
  Esteban Eordogh: Um he went to Atlanta to his concert, drove five hours, didn't have any contact whatsoever, and stood in the back of the in the back of the theater and literally started, you know, saw where the bus was with the the guys were unloading all their gear and everything, and he actually went and he's like, Hey man, give me a chance.
• 24:49
  Esteban Eordogh: I want to go take some pictures, I got my cameras over here.
• 24:52
  Esteban Eordogh: And for some reason, the photographer didn't show up that day.
• 24:56
  Esteban Eordogh: Just something out of out of crazy, okay.
• 25:02
  Esteban Eordogh: Crazy.
• 25:02
  Esteban Eordogh: Now that we've done several concerts, that thing does never happen.
• 25:07
  Esteban Eordogh: So then the guys were in a the guys were in a rush, and they said, like, yeah, okay, you can you with the with the back, come over here.
• 25:14
  Esteban Eordogh: Let's you know, come over here and start shooting pictures, and that was his first concert.
• 25:18
  Esteban Eordogh: So he delivered the job the next morning, they loved it, and they started calling him.
• 25:25
  Esteban Eordogh: And then now we're working with the producer.
• 25:27
  Esteban Eordogh: Um so I was not brought in until the third concert that he was doing.
• 25:35
  Esteban Eordogh: So he did uh Atlanta first, and then he did Houston, Dallas, and then no, actually the fourth concert.
• 25:43
  Esteban Eordogh: On the fourth concert, it was here in Orlando.
• 25:46
  Esteban Eordogh: Um he drove the 12 hours from Memphis to Orlando, but at that point we were actually working together already, and I said, Okay, I'm not gonna make it to Orlando, but this is what you can do.
• 26:00
  Esteban Eordogh: When you get to the hotel at night, put it in a hard drive, go into the blackmagic, you know, go into create the proxies, here's my blackmagic account, put it all in a in a project, and while you're driving the 12 hours, I'll edit for you.
• 26:17
  Esteban Eordogh: And so we did.
• 26:18
  Esteban Eordogh: And they love the edit.
• 26:20
  Esteban Eordogh: It was uh he was like mind blown because this is now this is the part of the team that I'm talking about.
• 26:28
  Esteban Eordogh: He is way much more creative than I am because but because of my engineering background, um, I'm the ty I'm the gearhead.
• 26:35
  Esteban Eordogh: I'm the nerd when it comes to you know to um um effects and editing, and you gotta do 32 degrees in here and that that's the part of photography I like, right?
• 26:49
  Esteban Eordogh: Um or videography, science stuff in here because you know, looking at curves and this and that, not per se the creative part, right?
• 26:58
  Esteban Eordogh: And that's why in our team, I'm the one that like, you know, oh yeah, the FX2 just came out, okay.
• 27:06
  Esteban Eordogh: Well, yeah, I like that because it's you know it has uh what you like the FX2?
• 27:10
  Vipul Bindra: That may be the most controversial thing.
• 27:12
  Vipul Bindra: We'll get to we'll get to gear, we'll get to gear.
• 27:15
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh we'll get to gear, but yes, I do want to talk about the FX2 because I it is in my radar, yeah.
• 27:20
  Esteban Eordogh: And I'll tell you why in a second.
• 27:21
  Esteban Eordogh: Um, but I'm the person who's actually well, the the 4K is seven, seven, it's 7k oversampled and stuff, and he's like, dude, I just want it to look nice.
• 27:33
  Esteban Eordogh: Yeah, and and so that's how that's how our our business relationship works.
• 27:38
  Vipul Bindra: No, that's amazing, and that's that's what it is.
• 27:40
  Vipul Bindra: Like a lot of people think, uh, and that's why, again, coming back to what I believe in, it's just a collaboration because I don't think a person exists who can be super technical, super creative, but obviously I'm sure there's exceptions out there.
• 27:54
  Vipul Bindra: But what we do is a literally a mixture of science and art.
• 27:59
  Vipul Bindra: And unless, like I said, you know both, you need to work with other people who are good in either or because you not only need to know, like you say, like you said, from shutter angle to frame rates to ISO, and that's just talking the exposure triangle.
• 28:13
  Vipul Bindra: There's so much more lighting sound.
• 28:15
  Vipul Bindra: We can get into, you know, codecs.
• 28:18
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, there it's it can go very, very deep.
• 28:20
  Vipul Bindra: Um, but then on the other side of it, that there's the you know, the frame lines, you know, uh framing, expo uh, you know, uh, I'm talking um, you know, leading lines, you know, so much like that's there's art to it to basically making it uh, you know, uh the the the framing and everything perfect uh to the story that you're trying to tell.
• 28:39
  Vipul Bindra: Because you know, at the end they videos invoke emotion, whether that's even that if that emotion is for making people want to buy a certain product or whatever or service, at the end they still an emotion that you're invoking, and it it is an art to do that.
• 28:53
  Vipul Bindra: It's there is and then there's science behind it, and you gotta be able to do both.
• 28:57
  Vipul Bindra: So that's pretty good that you guys have a collaboration where one's one's more technical, one's more creative.
• 29:03
  Vipul Bindra: Not saying that you can't you're not creative, what I'm saying is it's just having that that you know expertise where you're like, hey, I'm better at this, he's better at this, together.
• 29:12
  Vipul Bindra: We are better than let's say somebody who's and doing both.
• 29:16
  Esteban Eordogh: And that's why in our team, you know, he's usually the one that does pre-production to like, hey, what does the customer want?
• 29:23
  Esteban Eordogh: How you think we're gonna approach this?
• 29:26
  Esteban Eordogh: Um, for example, we are bidding for a project of a travel agency, but a super high-end luxury travel agency.
• 29:37
  Esteban Eordogh: And we had a Sue meeting with a customer the other day, and well, potential customer.
• 29:43
  Esteban Eordogh: Um and he was the one who was actually like, Well, we got this idea, that idea, yada yada yada.
• 29:50
  Esteban Eordogh: But I need that little push to start getting those creative juices flowing before mine kick in.
• 29:57
  Esteban Eordogh: You see?
• 29:58
  Esteban Eordogh: Um, I'm thinking more of like, well, we're gonna do you know 90 seconds to three minutes and this and that, and what's the platform that you're gonna use it on, and all that other stuff.
• 30:08
  Esteban Eordogh: He's the one that's like trying to uh the storytelling part of it and the creative part of it.
• 30:15
  Esteban Eordogh: And I think that would this would probably work for you because you invoke this emotion and that emotion and this emotion and that's so far and so forth, which I can, but that's just not my strong point, right?
• 30:26
  Vipul Bindra: So no, absolutely.
• 30:28
  Vipul Bindra: This is great.
• 30:29
  Vipul Bindra: Uh also, so coming back to uh our gig together, so like I said, I wanted to rent a pocket three and I put in the group.
• 30:37
  Vipul Bindra: So you reached out and uh you basically offered to come, right?
• 30:42
  Vipul Bindra: So what basically was going in your head and why'd you wanted to come and help out on the shoot?
• 30:47
  Esteban Eordogh: Right now, since we are in a new market, I'm more into meeting people.
• 30:52
  Esteban Eordogh: Um I just want to make be part of the get in the game, and you know, um, and I love helping people out.
• 31:01
  Esteban Eordogh: Yeah, uh um, as a matter of fact, when we were setting up for the for the podcast, like I was like, hey man, you're gonna do this and yeah, let me help you with that.
• 31:09
  Esteban Eordogh: Yeah, like I get excited about this stuff, you know.
• 31:12
  Esteban Eordogh: So then, you know, you said something about a car, and I was like, Oh, yeah, buddy, let's do this.
• 31:20
  Esteban Eordogh: Yeah, so um I just said, let's go, yeah.
• 31:25
  Vipul Bindra: Which we're lucky.
• 31:26
  Vipul Bindra: So to I not go too much into my client, but we are lucky to have a car manufacturer in Orlando because you know, we're not in Detroit.
• 31:33
  Vipul Bindra: We're it's not like there's Ford and GM out here.
• 31:35
  Vipul Bindra: So most people who are let's say in central Florida and they want to do car work, they have to travel, right?
• 31:41
  Vipul Bindra: And we are lucky that we have a uh a car company that's building cool cars uh from scratch and that that I've been working with them for a few years.
• 31:51
  Vipul Bindra: Stop super cool cars keep going, yeah, collector cars, they don't make cars for everyday people.
• 31:56
  Vipul Bindra: But what's crazy to me is uh they have an in-house videographer just to just to talk about a lot of people go, oh, they have in-house, so I can't find work.
• 32:05
  Vipul Bindra: I'm saying some some of my friends are like, well, they have in-house people, they have an in-house team.
• 32:08
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, no, you still can partner with people.
• 32:11
  Vipul Bindra: So even though they have in-house videographers, in-house editors, or whatever.
• 32:15
  Vipul Bindra: The thing is, I am not a replacement for their in-house videographer or editor, right?
• 32:20
  Vipul Bindra: That I would be too expensive for that, right?
• 32:22
  Vipul Bindra: Even though I think I'm very cheap for what I offer compared to an in-house, I'm I'm an expensive option.
• 32:27
  Vipul Bindra: But guess what?
• 32:28
  Vipul Bindra: A company like that, they need bigger projects, they need car launches, they need to go to, I don't know, news media or wherever, where they're where they don't want it to look like their everyday videographer, uh, or the project that we're part of, where their in-house videography wouldn't have the the uh the equipment or the skill or the expertise, because you know that's that that takes a lot.
• 32:48
  Vipul Bindra: Like it took us a village to make it.
• 32:50
  Vipul Bindra: Uh they wouldn't have it.
• 32:51
  Vipul Bindra: So that's where we can be their partner and we can come in and help them.
• 32:55
  Vipul Bindra: So it's a win-win.
• 32:56
  Vipul Bindra: Because even though, like I said, they're a decent-sized car company, they're not not a Ford.
• 32:59
  Vipul Bindra: They can't afford the biggest and the baddest, but that doesn't mean their quality needs to suffer, especially when they're making cars that are like really, really high-end, high-quality cars.
• 33:09
  Vipul Bindra: These are like, yeah, uh, you know, basically collectors buy these cars, right?
• 33:14
  Vipul Bindra: Or people who are really passionate about it.
• 33:16
  Vipul Bindra: So, anyway, so and and that's what's unique about it.
• 33:19
  Vipul Bindra: So, just so you know, I don't normally bring just somebody I've never met to a shoot.
• 33:24
  Vipul Bindra: But what's amazing is the timing couldn't have been perfect because I am not, even though I've seen the pocket three, I'm used to shooting with uh, you know, fx sixes, fx3s on the low end, and uh higher end would be like Alexa's or whatever.
• 33:37
  Vipul Bindra: These are the cameras that I have my hands on, right?
• 33:40
  Vipul Bindra: Like a mini, mini LF.
• 33:41
  Vipul Bindra: So I am not familiar with the Pocket 3 platform, though it seems fairly straightforward.
• 33:47
  Vipul Bindra: I didn't want to risk it.
• 33:48
  Vipul Bindra: So my original plan was to rent it and have Mario or somebody else on set like operate it.
• 33:53
  Vipul Bindra: But then, you know, as soon as you were like, hey, I would love to come, and I was like, you know what?
• 33:56
  Vipul Bindra: I checked out your profile.
• 33:58
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, this guy's awesome.
• 33:59
  Vipul Bindra: A I would love to meet met meet you anyway in general.
• 34:02
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, let's skip the meeting part.
• 34:04
  Vipul Bindra: Usually, you know, that's how it happens.
• 34:06
  Vipul Bindra: You meet people for coffee or whatever, you connect, you decide on a project, you collaborate.
• 34:10
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, you know what?
• 34:11
  Vipul Bindra: We're skipping all that part.
• 34:13
  Vipul Bindra: You sounded great on the phone.
• 34:14
  Vipul Bindra: You like you said, I love the passion that you had.
• 34:16
  Vipul Bindra: And I was like, how many opportunities like this are gonna exist?
• 34:19
  Vipul Bindra: Because like I said, I've been doing this 15 years, I've done enough car rigs, but it's not like every day I get a call from a car company saying, let's go on the track, let's test an unreleased mule car.
• 34:30
  Vipul Bindra: So I'm like, I'm passionate about too, right?
• 34:33
  Vipul Bindra: So it's not just about the money on this shoe, it's about we're doing something that we don't get to do every day.
• 34:38
  Vipul Bindra: So essentially, uh at least on my end, I was like, let's skip the meeting part.
• 34:42
  Vipul Bindra: You sound awesome, you know how to make the pocket three work.
• 34:45
  Vipul Bindra: This couldn't be perfect, where we can go and capture, you know, really good footage and get to network together.
• 34:51
  Vipul Bindra: And you came in, and not only you came in, you brought your business partner, Alex, and it could have gone better.
• 34:57
  Vipul Bindra: So we were a team of what five, I think, or five, five, right?
• 35:00
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so it was when you said FPV drone, I was like, Oh yes, buddy, let's do this.
• 35:05
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, which I can't wait to talk to Calvin on this, who's our FPV pilot on a later episode.
• 35:10
  Vipul Bindra: But that's the main thing, is because again, I'm always I love FPV, like I'm a drone violin myself, but you know, I do normal drone, your Mavics or Inspired or whatever.
• 35:20
  Vipul Bindra: I don't do FPV, and I I would love to, but I don't have the time uh to you know spend the hours in the simulator.
• 35:26
  Vipul Bindra: In the simulator, cool.
• 35:27
  Vipul Bindra: And uh I worked with Andrew, who introduced me to Calvin.
• 35:30
  Vipul Bindra: So the point is I'm always looking to do it, but it doesn't fit, you know, in all projects, maybe like a factory tour or whatever, but it doesn't really fit in typical corporate and commercial work.
• 35:40
  Vipul Bindra: So anytime I have that idea, and this client obviously wants that, they want their car, they're making cool cars.
• 35:47
  Vipul Bindra: They the video needs to look cool, yes, simple as that.
• 35:50
  Vipul Bindra: So so this was a perfect yeah opportunity to put a pocket three in use, FPV in use, and also do it at a timeline that was short.
• 35:59
  Vipul Bindra: Like we were there half day.
• 36:01
  Vipul Bindra: You spent like I know we went over because they had some issues, and obviously, it's a test car, so hour and a half each track.
• 36:07
  Vipul Bindra: I would say about three hours total, maybe out of lunch in there.
• 36:10
  Vipul Bindra: So so it was a very short short shoot day for the amount of content we got.
• 36:14
  Vipul Bindra: But yeah, I'm I'm so glad you came.
• 36:16
  Vipul Bindra: The shoot couldn't have gone amazing.
• 36:18
  Vipul Bindra: But what's your perspective on it?
• 36:19
  Vipul Bindra: Because like I said, it's a rare type of shoot in corporate world.
• 36:22
  Esteban Eordogh: I will say this concerts for me are an adrenaline rush, and they're a different type of fun.
• 36:32
  Esteban Eordogh: Driving in the track and and getting to film the car while we were moving, and that was so much fun, so much fun.
• 36:41
  Esteban Eordogh: That is by far one of the most fun projects that we've done just because it was something so different, you know?
• 36:50
  Vipul Bindra: Exactly.
• 36:51
  Vipul Bindra: And and and and what's cool about it is uh that track, the second track that I've into is a private track.
• 36:56
  Vipul Bindra: You cannot even go in it unless you're a member.
• 36:59
  Vipul Bindra: So for us to be literally taking your Bronco on it, it's so fun.
• 37:03
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, uh, you know, how many Broncos have ever been on that track?
• 37:07
  Vipul Bindra: Probably I I would guess none, but you never know, I'm sure.
• 37:11
  Vipul Bindra: Because you know, it's as you saw, there was a bunch of Miadas and stuff.
• 37:14
  Vipul Bindra: Like people are bringing those type of cars, performance cars.
• 37:16
  Vipul Bindra: I don't think typically a Bronco person will join that.
• 37:19
  Vipul Bindra: Not that Bronco, I love Broncos.
• 37:21
  Vipul Bindra: I'm saying it's not the track type of car.
• 37:23
  Vipul Bindra: So I'm like, how many you may have the only Bronco that's ever been on that track?
• 37:28
  Vipul Bindra: And I had so much fun uh because we were chasing, you know, obviously them or leading them and trying to just get some shots, and it was just such a fun experience with you, me and Alex trying to, you know, track it with the pocket three.
• 37:40
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh, yeah, I've done like having one rig in the front and one rig at the back, and then telling the you know, telling the the the the driver like okay, now you can pass us, and then you know now you're up.
• 37:50
  Esteban Eordogh: It was so cool, so cool.
• 37:52
  Vipul Bindra: So fun.
• 37:52
  Vipul Bindra: Plus, we're having FPV happen, you know.
• 37:54
  Vipul Bindra: So I think the overall, and Calvin was nice, he got us not only that, but BTS.
• 37:58
  Vipul Bindra: Mario, you were on that shoot.
• 38:00
  Vipul Bindra: What do you think?
• 38:02
  Mario Rangel: I had an an amazing, um, amazing day.
• 38:06
  Mario Rangel: I was mostly inside a car.
• 38:08
  Mario Rangel: Yeah.
• 38:08
  Mario Rangel: And it was crazy.
• 38:10
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, you were you you were the mule in the mule car.
• 38:12
  Vipul Bindra: We threw in Mario, and he was not even at his best that day because you know he had a a a leg that was uh Yeah, I was playing uh I played soccer the day before and I twisted my ankle.
• 38:23
  Vipul Bindra: So I was like, So you were bobbling, yeah.
• 38:26
  Vipul Bindra: Uh and uh we put you in a in a in a car that's unfinished.
• 38:30
  Vipul Bindra: So was it too rough?
• 38:33
  Mario Rangel: I mean the well the the the guy that was driving and then the well also the the CEO um he was also Tom he was also driving.
• 38:42
  Mario Rangel: They tried when I was inside, they tried to do it more softly.
• 38:46
  Mario Rangel: Uh huh.
• 38:47
  Mario Rangel: But when when Tom, the CEO was um drifting, yeah, I got I almost threw up.
• 38:54
  Mario Rangel: Uh I got this.
• 38:58
  Vipul Bindra: You can tell these these people are passionate about it.
• 39:00
  Vipul Bindra: What I love about these clients is not only a like I said, they make a really cool product, they make it for passionate people, but they actually love it.
• 39:10
  Vipul Bindra: Like, like he wasn't doing there because like even as soon as we were done rapping, if you remember, we were like, Okay, we're out, and he's like, Okay, I'm gonna just take it.
• 39:17
  Vipul Bindra: And he went for it.
• 39:18
  Vipul Bindra: Like he was that was not for cameras.
• 39:21
  Vipul Bindra: So these people love it, uh, they're passionate about it.
• 39:24
  Vipul Bindra: And to have clients like that is just incredible to me because you know, you get to, like you said, access places, um, you uh, and you know, you get to do shoots that are so much fun, and and that's what I love about video production because you know that it's so funny.
• 39:38
  Vipul Bindra: We went from uh a corporate shoot before then, right, Mario?
• 39:42
  Vipul Bindra: We were we were literally filming another CEO, and not that that was a bad shoot, it's just you know, we're filming in a high end house, we're you know, we're they were reading a script, you know, off it's it's a completely different feeling than going on a track where the CEO's like, I'm doing donuts and you know, skid.
• 39:57
  Vipul Bindra: Yep.
• 39:57
  Vipul Bindra: So it anyway, I I I love what I do.
• 39:59
  Vipul Bindra: And I'm like, I wouldn't trade it for a thing because we get to do so much cool things.
• 40:03
  Vipul Bindra: And I'm so glad you guys could be there and be part of that shoot because it was quite quite an incredible shoot, I think.
• 40:10
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 40:11
  Esteban Eordogh: I was I had a smile from ear to ear the entire time.
• 40:14
  Esteban Eordogh: And so and and here's the thing that I actually noticed uh the customer that you were working with is so good to work with as far as like organization, they had their timing correctly.
• 40:28
  Esteban Eordogh: You know, where I know that whenever you ask them for all the branding stuff, like your RGB code for colors and and fonts and all that, they're like, Yeah, we got that.
• 40:40
  Esteban Eordogh: And I'm like, God, I wish every customer was like this.
• 40:44
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and see, this is what I'm talking about.
• 40:46
  Vipul Bindra: You have to find your your your your clients because uh at the end of the, you know, it's a collaboration.
• 40:52
  Vipul Bindra: Again, even with the client, it's it's just like working with another videographer.
• 40:56
  Vipul Bindra: You are at the end of the all trying to achieve the same goal, right?
• 41:00
  Vipul Bindra: If they're bringing me, right, I am the expert to get them that content that will help their brand.
• 41:06
  Vipul Bindra: We're all working towards the same thing.
• 41:08
  Vipul Bindra: Because it's not like they want something different, right?
• 41:11
  Vipul Bindra: They want to promote their vehicles, which are awesome.
• 41:13
  Vipul Bindra: They want to share this with even people who are not gonna buy the vehicle because we get it.
• 41:17
  Vipul Bindra: You know, it's it's a certain audience who this vehicle is for.
• 41:20
  Vipul Bindra: That doesn't mean I am not passionate about it.
• 41:23
  Vipul Bindra: Can I afford one of their cars?
• 41:24
  Vipul Bindra: Probably not.
• 41:25
  Vipul Bindra: But do I love and and feel passionate about what they do, their work, and that the time of effort they put?
• 41:30
  Vipul Bindra: Absolutely.
• 41:31
  Vipul Bindra: Do I want to watch these videos?
• 41:32
  Vipul Bindra: Absolutely.
• 41:33
  Vipul Bindra: So am I not gonna why am I not gonna make the content that I want to watch?
• 41:38
  Vipul Bindra: I hope that makes sense.
• 41:39
  Vipul Bindra: Or their their fan base, their customers, their clients want to watch.
• 41:42
  Vipul Bindra: So we have to be aligned.
• 41:44
  Vipul Bindra: A lot of I feel the filmmakers that complain about clients, and I'm not saying the the clients from hell don't exist.
• 41:50
  Vipul Bindra: Yes, they do, but I'm saying usually if you you have to align with the client, right?
• 41:55
  Vipul Bindra: And uh, because you're all on the same goal.
• 41:58
  Vipul Bindra: The usually I'm saying the people who do are they they straight go to the videographer mode.
• 42:01
  Vipul Bindra: They listen, hey, what do you need?
• 42:03
  Vipul Bindra: We need a promo video.
• 42:04
  Vipul Bindra: Okay, straight.
• 42:04
  Vipul Bindra: So we're gonna need this camera, this lighting, this, that, and that that's it.
• 42:08
  Vipul Bindra: They're just running with the first bit of information you get.
• 42:11
  Vipul Bindra: I usually am like do the opposite.
• 42:13
  Vipul Bindra: Like they call me and they're like, hey, we want to make these series of videos for this car.
• 42:16
  Vipul Bindra: And I'm like, okay, sounds awesome, right?
• 42:19
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, okay, so where are the videos gonna be posted?
• 42:22
  Vipul Bindra: Right?
• 42:22
  Vipul Bindra: What's what why are they gonna be posted?
• 42:25
  Vipul Bindra: Who's gonna watch them?
• 42:26
  Vipul Bindra: Right?
• 42:27
  Vipul Bindra: You have to ask these questions.
• 42:28
  Vipul Bindra: I could straight go, and I know I get it.
• 42:30
  Vipul Bindra: Like some if you're not doing that well, let's say financially or whatever, you immediately want to just jump into it.
• 42:36
  Vipul Bindra: But that's the wrong approach.
• 42:37
  Vipul Bindra: Not only are they gonna see through you, you're gonna most likely not get the client.
• 42:42
  Vipul Bindra: And if you, let's say for some reason you do, they're not gonna be happy because you didn't bother to get the rest of the information.
• 42:47
  Vipul Bindra: I find the clients are happier because they're like, Oh, yeah, who's gonna watch it?
• 42:53
  Vipul Bindra: Either they know, like I said, this client, or even if they don't, that makes them then sit down and question, yeah, who are we gonna show it to?
• 42:59
  Vipul Bindra: Why are we gonna show it?
• 43:00
  Vipul Bindra: What's our purpose?
• 43:01
  Vipul Bindra: And that actually helps you or any other videographer.
• 43:04
  Esteban Eordogh: Who's your target audience?
• 43:05
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah, you you make better product, and then everyone wins, you know, because and then we're we're doing this because we love it.
• 43:11
  Esteban Eordogh: So, and something I wanted to touch something on that you just said about having their in-house videographer and how can we complement this stuff.
• 43:20
  Esteban Eordogh: And I'll I'll give you my personal experience on that.
• 43:24
  Esteban Eordogh: When I started this two years ago, I was working with custom with uh uh restaurants doing their monthly uh content for social media, um started to working with a a soccer school doing again content for social media and whatnot.
• 43:46
  Esteban Eordogh: And then I realized real quick that's that is not who I am.
• 43:50
  Esteban Eordogh: I am not the person who's gonna create a pack give you a package of 15 reels or this and that.
• 43:57
  Esteban Eordogh: That's just not who I am, right?
• 43:59
  Esteban Eordogh: Um, but then other customers had their their in-house media person who is not a videographer, is more like, hey, I get the phone and and record something for for the Instagram stories and whatnot.
• 44:16
  Esteban Eordogh: But then they started calling me when they needed some high-end production, as far as like, I remember this guy has a company of 14 taco trucks, and then he has a bakery shop, and then not only that, he has a stand in the FedEx Forum, which is where the Memphis Gri the NBA, the Memphis Grizzlies play, um, I mean, he has a high-end Mexican restaurant as well, right?
• 44:44
  Esteban Eordogh: So whenever it was Um just social media, quick social media content, it was Taco Tuesday or whatever, their media person did it.
• 44:55
  Esteban Eordogh: But when they wanted to do the promos for what was coming up in the month, and uh those were gonna boost them in in Instagram or Facebook or whatnot or whatever, that's when I came in.
• 45:08
  Esteban Eordogh: So it was there's so much true of what you're saying that you don't have to quote unquote fight the in-house videographer, yeah, but you're just a different market.
• 45:19
  Esteban Eordogh: You're different, it's it's a different type of thing because I don't want to sound rude or anything, but I'm not moving my seven thousand dollar camera to go shoot a 30-second Instagram reel in a food truck.
• 45:33
  Esteban Eordogh: That it's just not the right thing.
• 45:34
  Vipul Bindra: And it's not the right tool, right?
• 45:35
  Esteban Eordogh: That's the end of the thing.
• 45:36
  Esteban Eordogh: Correct.
• 45:36
  Vipul Bindra: What uh I I think the the the other thing, and and this is this is more of I think uh when you're starting out move, you think somehow camera value relates straight to uh what you can charge, right?
• 45:49
  Vipul Bindra: This is this is an amateur thing, and I don't blame anyone for thinking that.
• 45:53
  Vipul Bindra: So if somebody's listening and they think that, that's okay because you're just not informed yet.
• 45:58
  Vipul Bindra: Because the thing is, I have clients who will pay a lot of money, I'm talking 10 grand and up, to do an iPhone shoot, right?
• 46:06
  Vipul Bindra: It's not about the camera.
• 46:08
  Vipul Bindra: The cameras don't matter, and most clients that uh have budgets, they want to shoot on Alexa minis or mini LFs or uh red, you know, whatever Raptors, whatever, high-end cameras.
• 46:18
  Vipul Bindra: I'm saying they generally have the budget to rent it, they know what this costs, right?
• 46:23
  Vipul Bindra: Either they're not asking for a camera, right?
• 46:26
  Vipul Bindra: If they they either just say, I want this done, and you get to pick the camera, or if they want a specific camera, they literally know what it costs, and that's part of the budget.
• 46:36
  Vipul Bindra: You just rent it out.
• 46:37
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know why people get so fixated on cameras.
• 46:40
  Esteban Eordogh: That's like the least of our uh if the customer actually knows what the camera is, be careful because they they're they know what they're talking about.
• 46:52
  Esteban Eordogh: So yeah, um a lot of times when I show up on set with all the gear that we got that you that same gear that you have here, yeah, uh people would just look at the FX6 the FX6 and go like, whoa, that's a that's a fancy camera.
• 47:08
  Esteban Eordogh: Yeah, and that's all they know.
• 47:10
  Vipul Bindra: Or you can go 20 years and buy one of those big tape cameras and they'll think the same thing because they don't know any better, right?
• 47:15
  Vipul Bindra: I think uh the the the thing that uh as a business side, at least we need to learn as simple as or you are paid for your skills, right?
• 47:25
  Vipul Bindra: We are paid because we're experts and we're there to solve a problem, whatever that problem is.
• 47:30
  Vipul Bindra: That is, hey, we want we're throwing this amazing event, we need to show other people how awesome this event was, or it could be, hey, we're trying to recruit new clients or customers, or we're trying to recruit new employees, or it could be we're trying to train, you know, our students or our employees or whatever, right?
• 47:47
  Vipul Bindra: Whatever the agenda is, and we're there to solve that problem.
• 47:50
  Vipul Bindra: I think we're not there to uh showcase a certain camera, and I think that's just a fixation, like you said, uh people get like I have this camera, I'll go buy it and I'll somehow have work, right?
• 48:03
  Vipul Bindra: My entire thing is like cameras don't matter unless it matters, and when it does matter, you can just charge them to rent that camera.
• 48:11
  Vipul Bindra: So, so never hold back from applying to any job.
• 48:15
  Vipul Bindra: Because I've heard from some people who are like, hey, I want to apply the job, but they wanted to have uh, you know, uh this certain camera, and I didn't know how you know I didn't have that camera.
• 48:23
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, but then why wouldn't you rent it?
• 48:25
  Vipul Bindra: Like, find out who has it in your market or online or wherever you can rent it the cheapest, and that just add that to your budget as the equipment fee.
• 48:33
  Vipul Bindra: You you and and most of these high-end cameras have simulators that you can go on their website and you can play with the menus, you can basically learn everything about it without ever having to touch the camera.
• 48:43
  Vipul Bindra: Obviously, I'm not saying lie if you don't know how to operate a certain camera, then don't take the gig.
• 48:50
  Vipul Bindra: But it doesn't take much to learn these cameras, they're they're all the same, you know.
• 48:53
  Vipul Bindra: Most of the time, you just have to understand their little nuance of where goes what, which is easy to learn.
• 48:58
  Vipul Bindra: At the end of the day, operating camera is one of the easiest things as long as you understand the basics and the fundamentals of operating a camera.
• 49:07
  Vipul Bindra: There's no difference between an iPhone in manual mode with the Black Magic app or any other you know, phone app where you know you're selecting ISO frame rate 2, you know, I don't know, a Venice 2 or whatever.
• 49:19
  Vipul Bindra: Right.
• 49:19
  Esteban Eordogh: I mean, at the end of the day, ISO is still ISO, yeah, yeah, shutter speech, shutter angle, shutter angle, you know, whatever it is.
• 49:26
  Vipul Bindra: It's it's it's at the end of the day, the triangle, the exposure triangle is still the exposure triangle.
• 49:31
  Vipul Bindra: And I'm not saying equipment doesn't matter because equipment does matter.
• 49:34
  Vipul Bindra: The shoot that we just were talking about, pocket threes were the right camera for that.
• 49:39
  Vipul Bindra: Don't you agree with me?
• 49:40
  Vipul Bindra: Can you imagine how I tried in the time that we had?
• 49:42
  Vipul Bindra: Because you were there, you know the time we had.
• 49:44
  Vipul Bindra: Is there any way I could have mounted an FX3 or FX6 to it?
• 49:48
  Esteban Eordogh: See, I don't even think that for the there was there was a specific uh shot that the customer was asking for, which was you know, for the shocks, you know, for the shot, the suspension.
• 49:58
  Esteban Eordogh: I don't think you could have done that with any of these, you know, yeah, exactly, right?
• 50:01
  Vipul Bindra: So there's a there's a tool and a place for the job.
• 50:04
  Vipul Bindra: A lot of people also think that has to be expensive, right?
• 50:08
  Vipul Bindra: Yes, I'm a gearhead, I own a ton of gear, probably more than anyone I know, but that does not mean the gear is there for show, right?
• 50:17
  Vipul Bindra: Anything I own or buy is there for because it's needed in the business.
• 50:21
  Vipul Bindra: And for that job, and usually, by the way, I know you haven't worked with me, but normally I bring everything.
• 50:28
  Vipul Bindra: You have to bring anything.
• 50:29
  Vipul Bindra: That's was one of the rare instances for me where I didn't own what I needed to use.
• 50:33
  Vipul Bindra: And the thing is, the pocket threes were the perfect camera for the job, and you were the perfect operator to be at the job because you know the camera, you know the ins and outs, you have the app, you know the limitations, you know how to do the tracking or whatever.
• 50:48
  Vipul Bindra: The cost, and again, pocket three isn't cheap, it's like 800 bucks, but compared to let's say FX6s that we have all over here, it's cheap, right?
• 50:56
  Vipul Bindra: What I'm saying is it's relative, but for that shot job, that was the requirement, right?
• 51:01
  Vipul Bindra: So it doesn't matter if somebody's like, hey, I've got my Alexa package here, they wouldn't have been hired because that's not the right tool.
• 51:09
  Esteban Eordogh: It's not a right tool for the job.
• 51:10
  Esteban Eordogh: Yeah, exactly, right?
• 51:11
  Vipul Bindra: So that's also I think the thing is, and by the way, I'm surprised.
• 51:14
  Vipul Bindra: So just so you know, I love my cameras.
• 51:16
  Vipul Bindra: I'm I'm obviously a little bit uh snobbish when it comes to look, but I was really impressed with the size of the camera, how easy it is to use it, how great the footage looked.
• 51:28
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, I think the footage came out incredible from those cameras, and that makes me not want to buy one.
• 51:33
  Vipul Bindra: I have never thought about ever buying a pocket three, but after that shoot, I'm like, hmm.
• 51:39
  Vipul Bindra: I see a lot of places where I could deploy it.
• 51:41
  Vipul Bindra: Now, is it gonna replace any of the gear I have?
• 51:43
  Vipul Bindra: Not at all.
• 51:44
  Vipul Bindra: No, not at all.
• 51:45
  Vipul Bindra: But I can I supplement the Pocket 3 in certain situations?
• 51:49
  Vipul Bindra: Absolutely, and I'm so glad we did that shoot because now that I've had real footage, I was like, wow, like it looks really good.
• 51:58
  Esteban Eordogh: Yeah, it looks really good.
• 51:58
  Esteban Eordogh: It looks really good now.
• 51:59
  Esteban Eordogh: Um, and it's like silky butter of like stabilized, amazing.
• 52:05
  Vipul Bindra: It looks really good, and I think the light helped too.
• 52:07
  Vipul Bindra: So it's a lot of these latest gen sensors, you know, they're all really good.
• 52:12
  Vipul Bindra: Um, and that has an one-inch sensor, but like they all want light.
• 52:16
  Vipul Bindra: So because we were filming outdoors, there's plenty of light.
• 52:20
  Vipul Bindra: So I think they all look good, but I was just pleasantly surprised how good an one-inch sensor now even looks.
• 52:27
  Vipul Bindra: So so hats off to DJI.
• 52:30
  Vipul Bindra: Um, they are whatever they're doing, it's it's clearly working.
• 52:34
  Vipul Bindra: I don't think, again, tomorrow it replaces an FX6, but I can't wait to see what happens in 10 years, what happens in 20 years.
• 52:42
  Esteban Eordogh: The rumors are that they're coming up with the mirrorless camera.
• 52:44
  Esteban Eordogh: So, well, didn't they just come they they just released the the DJI 40, the the one with the the gooseneck and yeah, yeah, I have one.
• 52:54
  Vipul Bindra: So I have an 8K.
• 52:55
  Vipul Bindra: So I'm excited to play with it.
• 52:57
  Vipul Bindra: So I can't wait to show you.
• 52:58
  Vipul Bindra: So yeah, it's incredible camera.
• 53:00
  Vipul Bindra: Now, I it's I mean, to be real, it's been out for three years, but the 8K came out last year.
• 53:04
  Vipul Bindra: So for some reason, yeah, they had the 6K.
• 53:07
  Vipul Bindra: I wanted to get it, but then it had some Mare issues.
• 53:10
  Vipul Bindra: So essentially, you know, if you wear like a pattern shirt, some some cameras have it.
• 53:13
  Vipul Bindra: Uh it was some issues, and it doesn't have an old PF, whatever.
• 53:16
  Vipul Bindra: Point is, I saw it.
• 53:18
  Vipul Bindra: I even had Anthony hired on a gig just just because he had a roan.
• 53:21
  Vipul Bindra: It's see again, gear sometimes will get you a job.
• 53:23
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, hey, this is an event shoot, we can use it.
• 53:26
  Vipul Bindra: You have a 4D plus I want to work with you, let's just do it.
• 53:29
  Vipul Bindra: And like I said, the footage was great, but this the the that that if that more uh uh the more-ish or more, whatever, however people say it, it just is just too much, you know.
• 53:39
  Vipul Bindra: So so if anywhere there's like a thin pattern, um, you know, uh shirts, screens, it just it just wasn't good.
• 53:46
  Vipul Bindra: Point is uh yeah, the last year they released an 8k that has an old PF on it, so it doesn't have that issue.
• 53:54
  Vipul Bindra: Plus, eight's a better sensor in general, but they doubled the price, so you pay literally double for just a sensor upgrade.
• 54:01
  Vipul Bindra: So it's not like the parts are new, anything else is different, it's the exact same camera.
• 54:04
  Vipul Bindra: So for a while I was debating buying it, but finally pulled the pulled the trigger.
• 54:09
  Vipul Bindra: But uh yeah, it's it's an incredible camera, but it's not for every job.
• 54:13
  Vipul Bindra: But you're right, they're already it's being used in uh I think adolescence, I think is the show called.
• 54:19
  Vipul Bindra: Have you seen that?
• 54:20
  Vipul Bindra: It was it's going viral.
• 54:21
  Vipul Bindra: I've never okay.
• 54:22
  Vipul Bindra: So so I haven't seen the actual show, I've seen the making of it, and and it's it went viral because it was done like one shot and it's using uh the the Ronan 8K.
• 54:30
  Vipul Bindra: They also I know use the 6K version in Civil War, so you know people are using unconventional uh cameras in in Hollywood, and not that Hollywood matters for what I do, at least, you know, I'm not trying to be Hollywood.
• 54:44
  Vipul Bindra: I know a lot of people think of commercial and uh this film taking as a step to Hollywood, at least for me, I love what I do.
• 54:51
  Vipul Bindra: I wouldn't I wouldn't trade it.
• 54:53
  Vipul Bindra: I'm not trying to get to Hollywood, I love what I do.
• 54:55
  Vipul Bindra: Uh and for for us, these tools are incredibly useful, but to just see the tools that we use on a daily basis now being adopted by you know people where equipment's not even a factor.
• 55:08
  Vipul Bindra: Like I doubt any Hollywood movie, because they're renting everything, budget of equipment is even that much a factor.
• 55:15
  Vipul Bindra: I'm pretty sure a technocrane costs more than any camera they're renting.
• 55:18
  Vipul Bindra: So I'm saying they're not factoring in the rental cost of a Ronin or a you know uh you know FX3 or FX6 in there.
• 55:27
  Vipul Bindra: So for them to be deploying these cameras in Hollywood productions is pretty cool to see how far camera technology has come, uh, where these cameras are so good that they can be used on an IMAX movie or whatever, right?
• 55:39
  Vipul Bindra: Because Creator was released on IMAX too, right?
• 55:41
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 55:42
  Vipul Bindra: It was all shot, yeah, it was shot on all FX3s.
• 55:44
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, exactly.
• 55:45
  Vipul Bindra: And and and so camera doesn't matter.
• 55:48
  Vipul Bindra: Again, coming back to yes, gear matters, but the right gear for the right job matters.
• 55:54
  Vipul Bindra: So if your job is capturing social reels and a pocket three or a fx3 or a Panasonic something, or whatever camera you need is the right for the job, then that's the better equipment, not just something because that's the known brand or whatever, right?
• 56:13
  Vipul Bindra: That to me is the more important factor.
• 56:15
  Vipul Bindra: What you're doing, what's the right tool for the job, you have to have it.
• 56:20
  Vipul Bindra: Not having the right tool for the job is a factor, but just having the most expensive camera and it not being the right tool is not better, you know.
• 56:29
  Vipul Bindra: Right.
• 56:29
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, to get any other job.
• 56:30
  Vipul Bindra: So what uh so coming back to equipment, FX2.
• 56:33
  Vipul Bindra: So Sony announced FX2 camera launching, I think, mid-August, something like that.
• 56:39
  Vipul Bindra: Right.
• 56:40
  Vipul Bindra: Um obviously, I don't think anyone typically thought of it.
• 56:43
  Vipul Bindra: It's basically an A7 IV FX3 body with a fan and an EVF stuck onto it.
• 56:54
  Esteban Eordogh: Okay, so here's the thing I have an A7 IV.
• 56:58
  Esteban Eordogh: Yeah, love the camera.
• 56:59
  Esteban Eordogh: I love the footage that comes out of it.
• 57:01
  Esteban Eordogh: That image when it's not in 60p, uh, the 24 and the 30p, it's butter.
• 57:09
  Esteban Eordogh: Yeah, because it's 7k over 700.
• 57:10
  Esteban Eordogh: Right, and I love the sharpness of it and everything.
• 57:13
  Esteban Eordogh: Now, I gave it to my wife.
• 57:15
  Esteban Eordogh: Um the two the two bodies that I use on a daily basis are a Sony C V E one that I use for like when I use when when we were out there for BTS, yeah, small things.
• 57:29
  Esteban Eordogh: When I do like a shoot at a restaurant, something that is not, you know, something quick, easy, and easy and done.
• 57:36
  Esteban Eordogh: I take out the Z V E one and then I have the FX3.
• 57:38
  Esteban Eordogh: I the FX6 comes out on rare occasions.
• 57:42
  Esteban Eordogh: When I do interviews, things like that, that's when that's when that comes out.
• 57:46
  Esteban Eordogh: Um but I don't have a I don't have a photography camera anymore.
• 57:52
  Esteban Eordogh: And I do need photography sometimes for concerts, for example.
• 57:56
  Esteban Eordogh: Um I would I would that that is the tool that I would use if we were if we were filming a concert.
• 58:03
  Esteban Eordogh: I don't need the 12,800 most of the time because usually the the this the artist is pretty well lit.
• 58:10
  Esteban Eordogh: Yeah.
• 58:10
  Esteban Eordogh: Right.
• 58:10
  Esteban Eordogh: As a matter of fact, a lot of things.
• 58:13
  Esteban Eordogh: As a matter of fact, a lot of times I'm working in, you know, F14 and you know F14, 15 because like they are like blown up.
• 58:23
  Esteban Eordogh: Um and I like the ability of having a video first because I'm a videographer first.
• 58:32
  Esteban Eordogh: I do photography for for fun.
• 58:35
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh I do like uh doing uh uh food uh photography that I do like.
• 58:42
  Esteban Eordogh: And I wanna have a camera that is video first but also has the capability of shooting stills, and that's what I like about it.
• 58:52
  Vipul Bindra: So I'll tell you a secret.
• 58:54
  Vipul Bindra: I'm gonna buy one.
• 58:56
  Vipul Bindra: Here's here's I'll tell you, okay.
• 58:59
  Vipul Bindra: This is like I said, I I completely get it.
• 59:02
  Vipul Bindra: Yes, on the Sony's part, what people need here's the thing the FX3 and FX6s are three, four, five years old now.
• 59:10
  Vipul Bindra: They're they're old cameras, right?
• 59:12
  Vipul Bindra: But their cameras have become industry standard.
• 59:15
  Vipul Bindra: Literally, I'm not even a Sony I don't like Sony cameras, partially even now, even though they make me so much money, as a user, you know, I don't want to operate their cameras because I don't know.
• 59:26
  Vipul Bindra: I I just don't like them.
• 59:27
  Vipul Bindra: Point is I own all the Sony cameras because that's what the demand is.
• 59:30
  Vipul Bindra: If uh if I'm doing my own projects, nobody cares.
• 59:33
  Vipul Bindra: I can bring Sony cameras because clients don't care, right?
• 59:36
  Vipul Bindra: As long as they get good quality.
• 59:37
  Vipul Bindra: But when they do care, right, when my friends call on me to DP their project or whatever, they need gear or or some random production agency comes here and they just need help or whatever, it's always Sony.
• 59:48
  Vipul Bindra: I have never heard of I think once in my entire time they ever asked for a Canon camera and they've never asked for black magic, they've never asked for Panasonic.
• 59:58
  Vipul Bindra: It's always either we don't Care or we want Sony, right?
• 1:00:01
  Vipul Bindra: So these cameras make me a ton of money, which is why I own them, and hence why I don't think why people were disappointed because Sony has no reason to replace them.
• 1:00:10
  Vipul Bindra: They're still the industry standard, they're still working.
• 1:00:13
  Vipul Bindra: Yes, there's things that could improve them.
• 1:00:14
  Vipul Bindra: I would like to get new versions with some things I don't like.
• 1:00:18
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, give me open gate, please.
• 1:00:20
  Vipul Bindra: Exactly.
• 1:00:21
  Vipul Bindra: But but who knows?
• 1:00:23
  Vipul Bindra: When is Sony going to ever ever add open gate?
• 1:00:25
  Vipul Bindra: Who knows?
• 1:00:26
  Vipul Bindra: But they but the end of it is uh yes, it's a very useful feature, especially if you're doing both you know horizontal and vertical video together.
• 1:00:32
  Vipul Bindra: But at the end day, these cameras are industry standard, they're working, there's demand, there's no reason for them to replace.
• 1:00:40
  Vipul Bindra: So, what they did on Sony's part, I think it is a lazy move, which is why people are unhappy.
• 1:00:44
  Vipul Bindra: They literally took a camera and they've a very old camera that four or five years, right?
• 1:00:50
  Vipul Bindra: Again, it's for a7 IV, and they replaced the biggest flaw in it, in my opinion, which was overheating.
• 1:00:55
  Vipul Bindra: Overheating, which made a7 IV kind of useless in real-world settings where you had to record for hours, uh, not for vlogging people, but anyway, and hence FX2, which is why they're not calling it FX3, Mark II, FX4, whatever.
• 1:01:09
  Esteban Eordogh: So, I will give you I will give you a little bit of this, okay?
• 1:01:11
  Esteban Eordogh: The I do have the ZVE1, which has all the uh the enhanced autofocus and all that, and I can tell you with experience, owning a ZVE1 and owning an FX3, the autofocus is just that much better.
• 1:01:25
  Esteban Eordogh: Yeah, like it is insane good.
• 1:01:28
  Esteban Eordogh: When we were in the track, um I set up the autofocus for for cars and and train it has it has a mode that you can set up for cars, and I did not miss a single shot.
• 1:01:42
  Esteban Eordogh: And it was all in like in tack sharp focus, um, which the FX3 doesn't have.
• 1:01:48
  Esteban Eordogh: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:01:48
  Vipul Bindra: So it only has people and I think uh uh animals.
• 1:01:52
  Esteban Eordogh: Correct.
• 1:01:52
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh and uh I can tell you another thing is sometimes when on the FX3, when people turn around, right?
• 1:02:00
  Esteban Eordogh: You somewhat sometimes you lose the the autofocus and starts hunting.
• 1:02:05
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh that doesn't happen with the ZV1.
• 1:02:07
  Esteban Eordogh: Um and they're the same sensor, yeah.
• 1:02:09
  Esteban Eordogh: But and that's why I am getting the FX.
• 1:02:13
  Vipul Bindra: And I'll tell you why I'm getting it.
• 1:02:14
  Vipul Bindra: So for me, here's the main reason.
• 1:02:15
  Vipul Bindra: Yes, I think Sony's lazy, but here's why I'm still gonna buy one.
• 1:02:19
  Vipul Bindra: Simply is because the lineup, right?
• 1:02:21
  Vipul Bindra: Here's what I use.
• 1:02:23
  Vipul Bindra: Again, I make my decision based on what pays the bills, not what I like.
• 1:02:28
  Vipul Bindra: Right.
• 1:02:28
  Vipul Bindra: And the truth is, here's what pays the bill.
• 1:02:30
  Vipul Bindra: High-end projects, I like to use mini LF, maybe sometimes a 35 or a mini, depending on.
• 1:02:36
  Vipul Bindra: But those are client-requested cameras.
• 1:02:38
  Vipul Bindra: I'm not picking them, they're paying for the rental, I don't need to own them.
• 1:02:42
  Vipul Bindra: And the stuff that I own for middle level, it's gonna be a Burano, and then for mid to small level, it's gonna be two FX6s, two FX3s, and an FX2.
• 1:02:54
  Vipul Bindra: Because just like you, clients expect us to do on corporate filmmaking headshots and basic photos.
• 1:03:01
  Vipul Bindra: Now, yes, do I full-time do photography?
• 1:03:03
  Vipul Bindra: No, if we need anything more, um and they expect us to do both.
• 1:03:07
  Vipul Bindra: I was gonna tell people if if people somebody comes to you for an event and corporate photography and they ask you to do both photo and video, the answer is yes.
• 1:03:14
  Vipul Bindra: If you're a photographer and you don't want to do video, just bring in your videographer friend and partner it together.
• 1:03:21
  Vipul Bindra: Or the the reverse, the reason is clients just don't want a hassle of hiring two different vendors, they prefer to have one, and so usually what I'll do is if they need extensive photography, I've got friends lined up.
• 1:03:32
  Vipul Bindra: Let's put money in their pocket, come do photography for me.
• 1:03:36
  Vipul Bindra: But most of the time, what all they're looking for in our projects is headshots or some basic shots, and I I can do those, right?
• 1:03:43
  Vipul Bindra: Not that I'm a photographer, but headshots are not hard.
• 1:03:45
  Vipul Bindra: We are our scenes are already well lit.
• 1:03:47
  Vipul Bindra: And but the thing is currently I've been doing those with FX3, and they're 12 megapixels just not enough.
• 1:03:52
  Vipul Bindra: So this is where I think FX2 will come for me.
• 1:03:55
  Vipul Bindra: Correct.
• 1:03:55
  Vipul Bindra: Where it's like, hey, it can be a B, C, D, E, F, whatever camera for me on a shoot, where it can play with the others, all the Sony cameras that I own.
• 1:04:03
  Vipul Bindra: As you see, also Ronin 8K is gonna be part of that lineup that I have uh for this year and going forward until I'm sure something new comes out.
• 1:04:11
  Vipul Bindra: But that's where the I will buy loan FX2 because it'll fit in as just another B-roll camera, it'll play well.
• 1:04:17
  Vipul Bindra: Like you said, it's sure it's an older sensor, still looks good.
• 1:04:20
  Vipul Bindra: But then as soon as we need photo, flip it a photo, and we can quickly start getting some headshots over that way.
• 1:04:26
  Esteban Eordogh: So for me personally, whenever we're doing events, live live events, concerts, uh, I'm mostly doing videos, but my god, sometimes you get that opportunity that it's just picture perfect for a still.
• 1:04:41
  Esteban Eordogh: Yeah um and we do deliver stills for the customers too, and just concert photography is just so awesome, yeah.
• 1:04:50
  Esteban Eordogh: Um, so I do need a camera that I can quickly go from one moat to the other because things happen super fast in a concert.
• 1:05:00
  Vipul Bindra: Exactly.
• 1:05:01
  Vipul Bindra: Um makes sense, you know.
• 1:05:02
  Vipul Bindra: I completely get why you'd want it.
• 1:05:04
  Vipul Bindra: Because to be honest, I thought the R5C was gonna be that for me.
• 1:05:07
  Vipul Bindra: So a few years ago, I was in the Canon ecosystem and I thought the R5C was the holy camera.
• 1:05:14
  Vipul Bindra: I had like C C200, C70s, and I thought, oh wow, this can perfectly come in as that hybrid because it had literal menu change, right?
• 1:05:22
  Vipul Bindra: You get cinema menu, full log, uh C log 2, I think, or whatever, C Log 3, whatever it had log, uh proper menu from like the C70, but then you go to photo mode and you get just like any other Canon photo camera, but it did not work.
• 1:05:35
  Vipul Bindra: I've never gotten rid of cameras though fast.
• 1:05:38
  Vipul Bindra: I I was just wasn't a fan of the R5C.
• 1:05:40
  Vipul Bindra: I'm sure some people like it, but I do think this one may be a home run because of the way I've seen the layout and then them more leaning towards the FX3 style, because like you said, we do video first and then photo second, but we do sometimes need to do photo, and I think that's where the camera is perfect, and now it's the reverse because people are like, then what about the reverse?
• 1:06:04
  Vipul Bindra: And that camera already exists, A7 IV.
• 1:06:06
  Vipul Bindra: If you do photo first and video second, just buy a used one, they're so cheap now.
• 1:06:12
  Vipul Bindra: I think it I think it makes sense, even though it's a lazy attempt.
• 1:06:16
  Vipul Bindra: I'll give it to the haters.
• 1:06:18
  Vipul Bindra: But I think for people like you and me, I think it's not a bad camera, and it's priced really low too.
• 1:06:24
  Vipul Bindra: $2,800.
• 1:06:25
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, I can probably call my dealers, probably pick it up for $26.
• 1:06:29
  Vipul Bindra: I'm thinking, something like that.
• 1:06:30
  Vipul Bindra: And I think that's gonna be $27, right?
• 1:06:32
  Vipul Bindra: Mario, what's the price on an FX2?
• 1:06:34
  Vipul Bindra: Can you check BNH?
• 1:06:35
  Vipul Bindra: $2,700.
• 1:06:37
  Mario Rangel: $27.
• 1:06:38
  Vipul Bindra: $2,700.
• 1:06:38
  Vipul Bindra: So yeah, so look at that.
• 1:06:40
  Vipul Bindra: So we could probably get it for uh for, you know, uh say like I basically buy enough gear that I have reps at some of these retailers, so I could call it probably get a hundred bucks off.
• 1:06:50
  Vipul Bindra: It's not gonna be a lot for a brand new camera, but so I'm saying for that, I think it's worth it just to add it in the lineup for, like you said, those social media reel videos for the for the videos where uh we need to do photo, but also capture B roll, and just in addition to the team, at least for my production company, it fits.
• 1:07:09
  Vipul Bindra: Is he gonna be my A cam?
• 1:07:10
  Vipul Bindra: No, and as you saw in the lineup, that was what a Burano, two FX3s, two FX6s, uh what, an FX uh a Ronan uh 8K, and then comes the the uh the um uh you know fx two, so it's not like what I've got six other cameras to pick from before I pick that, so it's not like my only camera, but for somebody who is just doing that type of shoot, that's way better than any of these other tools.
• 1:07:36
  Vipul Bindra: So yeah.
• 1:07:37
  Esteban Eordogh: Because I'll tell you this.
• 1:07:39
  Esteban Eordogh: Um we tried doing concerts with the FX6, and even though that it's it's you know designed for handheld shooting or whatever, I didn't like it.
• 1:07:50
  Esteban Eordogh: Yeah, it was too big, too bulky.
• 1:07:52
  Esteban Eordogh: When you're trying to move in between crowds and everything, I need it to be light and quick, and and that's why I said that for me personally, that would be an amazing tool.
• 1:08:04
  Esteban Eordogh: Yeah, besides I would love to use it on an interviewer too on the tight shot.
• 1:08:10
  Esteban Eordogh: When you put a 90 mil, a 90 mil uh or an 85mm prime on it.
• 1:08:14
  Esteban Eordogh: I bet you that that image is gonna look sensitive.
• 1:08:16
  Esteban Eordogh: I can't wait to compare.
• 1:08:18
  Esteban Eordogh: That'd be a good comparison.
• 1:08:19
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, once I get my hands on one, which is not that far away, I would love to do a test.
• 1:08:24
  Vipul Bindra: Well, I'm gonna like say I'm gonna acquire one.
• 1:08:25
  Vipul Bindra: But to be honest, we can do that test now because it's not like A7 IV doesn't exist, right?
• 1:08:29
  Vipul Bindra: You don't have to do much.
• 1:08:30
  Vipul Bindra: You just put your FX6 next to your A74, and you'll kind of know what the image will look like.
• 1:08:35
  Vipul Bindra: Because from my understanding, is they did tune the color a little bit.
• 1:08:39
  Vipul Bindra: Yes, it's not totally different, it's just the look change to match with the with the other cameras.
• 1:08:45
  Vipul Bindra: So it it may not be 100%, I'm saying to your A74, but it'll be very close to that, right?
• 1:08:50
  Esteban Eordogh: Not only that, um, they up the the second or the highest bay, the high base ISO to from 3200 to 4,000.
• 1:08:59
  Esteban Eordogh: So hey, I'll take it.
• 1:09:01
  Esteban Eordogh: Yeah, you know, it's not a massive change, but you know, it's not 12,800, but I'll take it.
• 1:09:06
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, they probably can do 12,800 on that just because you know how many megapixels.
• 1:09:10
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, but but I like I said, I don't have such a high megapixel camera, didn't think I would need one, but if it's right, I am gonna acquire one.
• 1:09:18
  Vipul Bindra: Hopefully, it's not a bad purchase.
• 1:09:20
  Vipul Bindra: But so far I've been very happy.
• 1:09:21
  Vipul Bindra: All my Sony cameras have paid a long, long time ago.
• 1:09:25
  Vipul Bindra: Best decision ever.
• 1:09:26
  Vipul Bindra: Like I said, it doesn't my personal feelings side, they're good for business.
• 1:09:30
  Vipul Bindra: And even to this day, I even had a buddy now, he was like, Hey, I want to buy a couple cameras, you know, upgrade my production, his production to FX6.
• 1:09:37
  Vipul Bindra: And I was like, Normally I'm for don't buy equipment because it's not a good investment because you can rent it, right?
• 1:09:43
  Vipul Bindra: Especially if you don't use it every day.
• 1:09:45
  Vipul Bindra: But FX6 is one of those cameras.
• 1:09:46
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, Yes, you know, you still are in favor of getting one and not and getting your money back because that again, it's one thing you're doing it as a passion thing, but it's another thing when you're doing it's business, right?
• 1:09:58
  Vipul Bindra: It's a business decision.
• 1:09:59
  Vipul Bindra: And I think an FX6 is still a good business decision because there's demand for it, you can still fit into uh reality show, again, come uh corporate work uh and get your money back pretty quick.
• 1:10:12
  Vipul Bindra: I had a buddy buy one last year, and I think within one or two gigs he had his money back.
• 1:10:16
  Vipul Bindra: So as long as you're smart about the projects, you don't just buy the camera thinking you'll get the gigs.
• 1:10:22
  Vipul Bindra: That's a wrong mindset.
• 1:10:23
  Vipul Bindra: But if if you already have the gigs, it'll pay for itself because it is the right tool, like you said, in certain scenarios where it's interviews, where it's that corporate stuff.
• 1:10:33
  Esteban Eordogh: See, this is the perfect scenario for it.
• 1:10:34
  Vipul Bindra: Exactly.
• 1:10:35
  Vipul Bindra: Or you're fitting into certain productions where they're like, hey, we need a cam up on our reality show, we need an FX6 operator.
• 1:10:42
  Vipul Bindra: It you just fit right in there, right?
• 1:10:44
  Vipul Bindra: You bring your camera, you go in, you talk, you you follow some housewife, right?
• 1:10:49
  Vipul Bindra: You get like your paycheck, you go, right, right.
• 1:10:51
  Vipul Bindra: But you know, there is enough of that work out there.
• 1:10:54
  Vipul Bindra: People love reality shows nowadays, and and all those have mostly moved to FX6s and FX3 for their crash cams.
• 1:11:01
  Vipul Bindra: That's basically it.
• 1:11:02
  Esteban Eordogh: And and I will say this the reason why the FX6 for me is my least used camera is you know, the one the codec.
• 1:11:12
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh a lot of times I just want something quick, MP4, be done with it, you know, and and and not have the the X MXF you know the codec, which looks super clean and I love it, but it's heavy, it's it's it requires it requires a lot more than MP4.
• 1:11:32
  Esteban Eordogh: That's that's exactly.
• 1:11:33
  Vipul Bindra: And I can't wait to have uh David back on the podcast.
• 1:11:35
  Vipul Bindra: So he's gonna he he's was talking about the same thing.
• 1:11:38
  Vipul Bindra: So he's a retainer client, it's just not the right tool.
• 1:11:41
  Vipul Bindra: He owns an FX6, but if your client doesn't want to deal with MX file and MXF files, he's having to transcode them.
• 1:11:49
  Vipul Bindra: That's another step that he doesn't need to with an FX3.
• 1:11:52
  Vipul Bindra: Plus, the client doesn't care that you have an FX6.
• 1:11:55
  Vipul Bindra: So an FX3, FX2, A7S3, whatever, any of these cameras that can do you know, good footage, uh log, cinetone, whatever he's using with the MP4 codex is just better.
• 1:12:08
  Vipul Bindra: Now, again, some things talking about flaws with the cameras.
• 1:12:11
  Vipul Bindra: I don't get why this camera can't have HEVC, you know, like the the codex, I think uh uh H265 uh codex that the uh fx3 has, right?
• 1:12:22
  Vipul Bindra: FX30 has it.
• 1:12:24
  Vipul Bindra: Clearly, an M FX6 should be able to, but these this is the type of gatekeeping these companies do.
• 1:12:29
  Vipul Bindra: And my Ronin too, 8K, why it can do MP4, H264, why can't I do H265 H E V C?
• 1:12:36
  Vipul Bindra: Like that would save me so much space, right?
• 1:12:38
  Vipul Bindra: But it's just not an option, and these companies don't want to add it.
• 1:12:42
  Esteban Eordogh: Why?
• 1:12:42
  Esteban Eordogh: I don't know.
• 1:12:43
  Esteban Eordogh: See, the to me, the big thing uh with the open gate stuff is that if you are marketing something for beginning filmmakers, you're you're in a world where you need vertical video.
• 1:12:56
  Esteban Eordogh: That's just a fact, man.
• 1:12:58
  Esteban Eordogh: And if you can just frame and you know, reframe you know the camera is made for use horizontally, right?
• 1:13:10
  Esteban Eordogh: Um and if you can just go ahead and do one shot and do just crop the why not?
• 1:13:16
  Vipul Bindra: You have the sensor, you know, like or maybe maybe Sony will come up with that or or any company.
• 1:13:21
  Vipul Bindra: Have you thought about what if the whole sensor could rotate?
• 1:13:24
  Vipul Bindra: Wouldn't that be fun?
• 1:13:25
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, the op I get that open gate is an easier fix because you know, you could do both.
• 1:13:30
  Vipul Bindra: But I'm saying the other thing would be uh, you know, the whole lens and sensor rotates on a cinema camera.
• 1:13:37
  Vipul Bindra: But technically on a mirrorless, you could just rotate the camera too.
• 1:13:40
  Vipul Bindra: Right.
• 1:13:40
  Vipul Bindra: But I'm taking even a bigger bigger camera because the the thing is, yes, I I don't didn't like vertical video in the past, but right now I'm like that is more and more prevalent.
• 1:13:52
  Vipul Bindra: A lot and more clients want it.
• 1:13:53
  Vipul Bindra: And it may not be the whole project, because I have projects where it's like, hey, we're doing this video for the website, which is you know normal, and this video for cut here, but then here's five videos we're doing to go social media, and you're right, that's where an open gate would be a good fit because yeah, I can do we can pull out both.
• 1:14:10
  Esteban Eordogh: I'll give you I'll give you a scenario that that it happens to us, you know, in the concert world.
• 1:14:15
  Esteban Eordogh: So the producer or the production company they want uh stuff to send out to the TV channels, right?
• 1:14:22
  Esteban Eordogh: For their news, you know, morning news and all that stuff.
• 1:14:26
  Esteban Eordogh: Um, so that obviously has to go horizontal, but then they also want vertical content for social media, right?
• 1:14:36
  Esteban Eordogh: And I know you can you know shoot horizontal and frame and all that stuff.
• 1:14:40
  Esteban Eordogh: I'm the type of person who like if I'm gonna do vertical, I'm doing vertical because I want the whole resolution of the thing of the of the sensor to be in frame.
• 1:14:50
  Esteban Eordogh: Um and that is a a use case that I wish that we had open gate because why aren't you switching to Panasonic?
• 1:15:00
  Esteban Eordogh: They're willing to give you yeah, they're willing to give you open gate and all that stuff, but I have $10,000 worth of lenses.
• 1:15:06
  Esteban Eordogh: What am I gonna do with the lenses?
• 1:15:08
  Esteban Eordogh: You know, and then I have my favorite.
• 1:15:10
  Vipul Bindra: Biggest mistake, and again, I'm sure there was some technical thing that caught is the flange distance, L mount.
• 1:15:18
  Vipul Bindra: Why did they have to pick 20 millimeters?
• 1:15:20
  Vipul Bindra: Nikon, not a fan of them in general, but I think they did the smart move because their Z mount has a lower, I think it's 16 millimeters.
• 1:15:29
  Vipul Bindra: I could be wrong on this, Mario, if you want to check, doesn't matter.
• 1:15:32
  Vipul Bindra: I think and then so Sony Emount I believe is 18 millimeters, and so that what made the Z mount awesome is you can buy the Z mount, but you can put E mount glass on it.
• 1:15:42
  Vipul Bindra: So you can now, you know, you can switch to an icon without having to switch all your glass, because you're right, glass costs more than cameras, and Panasonic by going with L mount, and I know they're member of the L Mount Alliance, it sucks for them because their cameras can be awesome, but like you said, to switch to them, you would have to freaking change your entire lines lineup because of that couple extra millimeters, you cannot mount your e-glass or convert it to go on L mount cameras.
• 1:16:08
  Mario Rangel: They're just right, you're right, people is 16 or there you go, and and and that's what I'm talking about.
• 1:16:14
  Vipul Bindra: So so so yeah, so L-mount cameras can adapt E-mount glass, which is the problem for me wanting to switch.
• 1:16:21
  Vipul Bindra: To be real, I like Panasonic cameras.
• 1:16:23
  Vipul Bindra: I own GH4, GH5S, great cameras made me a lot of money back in the day, and I'm I'm sure they're back, I'm happy for them because I really like those cameras.
• 1:16:32
  Vipul Bindra: I hated leaving them to go back to Canon.
• 1:16:34
  Vipul Bindra: And and I think they're they're popular right now because people like what they're doing.
• 1:16:39
  Vipul Bindra: But until they do something like again, what my Ronin 4D has, because even though you know DJI is part of the L mount alliance, same thing.
• 1:16:44
  Vipul Bindra: The the the L mount detaches and an E mount goes on it, so I can use my E mount glass on the 4D, which you cannot do that on the Panasonics because the L mount is built in.
• 1:16:55
  Vipul Bindra: So, unless if they can do something like that, and I'm sure selling glass is part of the the business plan.
• 1:17:02
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, but yeah, I I totally agree with you.
• 1:17:04
  Vipul Bindra: It'd be if they made it easier to switch, you would.
• 1:17:07
  Esteban Eordogh: It's not it's not about the body.
• 1:17:08
  Esteban Eordogh: I would love to shoot on or at least try the S12, you know, the Lumix S12 that just came out, but it's not feasible for me because I would have to change five lenses that I have on my day-to-day case, you know, in my in my actual case, and you know, and that's not including if I have a hundred to four hundred, if I want to do, you know, telephoto or anything like that, which I don't have, but um, you know, I would have to change for me personally, you know, without including Alex and without including my wife, uh, it's 16 to 35, 24 to 70, a 51.4.
• 1:17:45
  Esteban Eordogh: I had I would have to have us, you know, at 70 to 200 70 to 200, and then I would have to change a 35 to 150.
• 1:17:54
  Esteban Eordogh: You know, I that's those are five lenses that I own.
• 1:17:56
  Esteban Eordogh: That those are my personal ones.
• 1:17:59
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, you need the Trinity and then the couple extra that you like.
• 1:18:01
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, uh, I totally get it.
• 1:18:03
  Vipul Bindra: No, that that to me is valid, and and the same thing, you know.
• 1:18:06
  Vipul Bindra: My entire thing is yes, right now, trending thing is to talk about the the new Pixas 12K, the Sony, uh, the Panasonic cameras, because they are they're making the good good bodies.
• 1:18:17
  Vipul Bindra: I totally agree.
• 1:18:18
  Vipul Bindra: The sensor on the 12k looks amazing, and you can get it with the PL mount, the L mount, all the cool stuff, right?
• 1:18:25
  Vipul Bindra: But same thing, I'm just like, I cannot commit to this because I don't know the demand.
• 1:18:30
  Vipul Bindra: I have done that in the past where bought a B V Raptor, I bought a Helium or whatever, because you know, people wanted to hear the word red in the past.
• 1:18:37
  Vipul Bindra: There was no demand for it, unless you were doing music videos, and I don't want to do music videos because there's no money in it.
• 1:18:43
  Vipul Bindra: And plus, it's you know, even though they're fun, like it is a business at the end of the day.
• 1:18:47
  Vipul Bindra: Why would my company choose to do that stuff that doesn't pay well?
• 1:18:51
  Vipul Bindra: And plus, it's not uh, you know, not some music videos are fun, but a lot of them were boring too because it's like you know, you're doing the the the three, four things, you know, and they're just cutting it.
• 1:19:00
  Vipul Bindra: It wasn't like creative element in there that I uh that I enjoy where the storytelling and everything.
• 1:19:06
  Vipul Bindra: Point is uh yeah, I don't care if these are trending until some company calls me, one of my partner agencies calls me and says, Hey, we want the 12k.
• 1:19:16
  Vipul Bindra: I'll be the first guy to rent it or buy it or whatever, but until somebody pays me money to use one of the cameras, it's just a YouTuber thing, right?
• 1:19:24
  Vipul Bindra: And that's why I'm like, listen, this is I am a working professional, I make my money from making videos, I make zero dollars from this podcast, right?
• 1:19:33
  Vipul Bindra: Or YouTube or whatever, right as of right now.
• 1:19:35
  Vipul Bindra: The goal is to go, you know, make videos for clients.
• 1:19:40
  Vipul Bindra: So I am I'm not paid by any company to talk good or bad about any camera.
• 1:19:45
  Vipul Bindra: And to be honest, I am not married to one either.
• 1:19:48
  Vipul Bindra: But the truth is, anyway, I agree with you.
• 1:19:50
  Vipul Bindra: Our lenses, our glass, our our ecosystem is and demand is more important than a trending camera, if that makes sense.
• 1:19:58
  Esteban Eordogh: Well, if I were to Change sometime at any point in time, I would go blackmagic.
• 1:20:04
  Esteban Eordogh: And that's because I I'm a black magic fan.
• 1:20:07
  Esteban Eordogh: I edit in DaVinci Resolve.
• 1:20:09
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh and you know that codec, the the black magic raw, and the colors of the black magic cameras are just so nice.
• 1:20:19
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I mean to be honest, we're using that for this podcast right now.
• 1:20:22
  Vipul Bindra: Our podcaster is being switched on a black magic equipment.
• 1:20:25
  Vipul Bindra: I love black magic design as a company.
• 1:20:27
  Vipul Bindra: I was the first one when they announced the ATEM G2.
• 1:20:30
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, buy, you know, like pre-order.
• 1:20:32
  Vipul Bindra: We want one.
• 1:20:33
  Vipul Bindra: I think as a company, they're amazing.
• 1:20:35
  Vipul Bindra: Resolve is awesome.
• 1:20:37
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, just like you know, uh DJI, you know, they're innovating as in the industry.
• 1:20:42
  Vipul Bindra: But like I said, my thing with that is Pixel 12k looks incredible.
• 1:20:46
  Vipul Bindra: I love the the sensor on it, it it just looks incredible.
• 1:20:52
  Vipul Bindra: But as so as a filmmaker, I like the camera.
• 1:20:55
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, ooh, intriguing.
• 1:20:57
  Vipul Bindra: I want to try it, and I probably will.
• 1:21:00
  Vipul Bindra: But will I buy one?
• 1:21:02
  Vipul Bindra: Probably not.
• 1:21:03
  Vipul Bindra: Will I switch to one?
• 1:21:04
  Vipul Bindra: Probably not.
• 1:21:05
  Vipul Bindra: And simply because I currently do not foresee it replacing FXXs and FX3s in the market.
• 1:21:12
  Vipul Bindra: Because of the same thing, because of the the flange just you know, the L mount.
• 1:21:16
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, it does have P P L mount, but I still don't think it's gonna it's gonna just be replacing the industry standard, and until I hear somebody say, Hey, we want you for a project, we need you to have the Black Magic 12K, it's not gonna happen.
• 1:21:31
  Vipul Bindra: Unfortunately, that's just the world we live in.
• 1:21:34
  Esteban Eordogh: So I I owned a 6K Pro and I absolutely love that camera, but it's not for everything, yeah.
• 1:21:40
  Esteban Eordogh: So um, it's hard when you're you know, it's hard.
• 1:21:46
  Esteban Eordogh: Manual manual focusing is hard, especially when you're doing fast action stuff for like soccer or sports or whatever, that's just not the right tool for the for for that.
• 1:21:57
  Esteban Eordogh: Um, but it plays so nicely with Da Vinci Resolve, and and again, just color grading that footage when you get the yeah, it's coming, you know.
• 1:22:08
  Vipul Bindra: Blackmagic Raw is coming to the FX6, and I think even FX3, I could be wrong in the FX3, but it's definitely coming to FX6.
• 1:22:15
  Vipul Bindra: How do you feel about that?
• 1:22:16
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, them opening up.
• 1:22:18
  Vipul Bindra: I was surprised when that announcements was made.
• 1:22:20
  Vipul Bindra: You need to have uh a blackmagic video assist, obviously, to go into it and whenever they release it.
• 1:22:25
  Vipul Bindra: I think it's supposed to be next year, so it's a long time.
• 1:22:27
  Vipul Bindra: Hey, that's crazy to me to announce a feature that early.
• 1:22:30
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, but again, I don't shoot in RAW because again, demand is in there.
• 1:22:35
  Vipul Bindra: I don't have anyone asking me to provide raw, but if they did, I would happily record.
• 1:22:40
  Vipul Bindra: But that is kind of cool to know that we will be able to do that.
• 1:22:43
  Esteban Eordogh: I will say this you know, the cool thing about working with map blackmagic raw is that you can do change parameters like ISO and things like that in post-production, yeah, right?
• 1:22:53
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh, and then when you're color grading the footage, um the image doesn't break that easy, you know.
• 1:23:04
  Esteban Eordogh: I Sony Sony breaks quite quite easily, to be honest with you.
• 1:23:09
  Esteban Eordogh: Um and you can you can push that that black magic raw codec to really high and and it'll look sharp and so nice.
• 1:23:21
  Esteban Eordogh: Yeah, that's what I like about it.
• 1:23:22
  Vipul Bindra: It's that's the thing I like about red cameras, not to be too mean to them like earlier.
• 1:23:27
  Vipul Bindra: I do like they have a similar, I don't know if you have you shot on red before.
• 1:23:29
  Vipul Bindra: No, no.
• 1:23:30
  Vipul Bindra: Okay, so they have the similar thing, it's called the traffic light system.
• 1:23:33
  Vipul Bindra: Essentially, it's like you know, RGB parameters.
• 1:23:35
  Vipul Bindra: Essentially, as long as you're not peeking on any of those, you'll basically have all the sensor data.
• 1:23:41
  Vipul Bindra: And you can go back and uh, you know, onto uh post and then you can manipulate anything, change the footage, anything.
• 1:23:49
  Vipul Bindra: But this is kind of like uh I I'm for both.
• 1:23:52
  Vipul Bindra: I'm not like old school, like where you have to do it, but the truth being is do you really need it?
• 1:23:57
  Vipul Bindra: Unless you're doing run and gun, where you know, you can make mistakes, like you're doing.
• 1:24:04
  Vipul Bindra: I get it for concerts, you're moving fast, high chance sometimes you know you're gonna not be the right divide balance or ISO.
• 1:24:10
  Vipul Bindra: But truth being told, for what we do, like yeah, I'm like, why am I if I'm doing interviews in B roll, why is it not gonna be in correct settings?
• 1:24:21
  Vipul Bindra: Right?
• 1:24:21
  Vipul Bindra: Why do I even ever need raw?
• 1:24:23
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, because we are taking I am looking at the monitor.
• 1:24:27
  Vipul Bindra: If I'm directing uh or producing, I am looking at the production monitor like we have here, and I am making sure the footage looks good.
• 1:24:34
  Vipul Bindra: We're not rolling until it looks good.
• 1:24:36
  Vipul Bindra: Or uh speaking of if I'm D pink for other people or even for myself, then I'm looking at my camera to make sure it's exposed right.
• 1:24:43
  Vipul Bindra: Point is I would never need raw because the footage is always exposed how we want it exposed.
• 1:24:49
  Vipul Bindra: RAW would not add anything else but extra bit depth and colors, which is nice, but again, it's not necessary, and again, no agency that I know of, and I do pretty good work outside of again.
• 1:25:00
  Vipul Bindra: I'm not talking Ari, where I've had, you know, we have had to record an Ari Raw.
• 1:25:04
  Vipul Bindra: I'm talking mid to low level gigs where you're using up to an FX6.
• 1:25:08
  Vipul Bindra: I've never had an agency go, we need to record it raw.
• 1:25:12
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:25:12
  Vipul Bindra: So it's like it's unnecessary, but it's good to know that at least that option will be available on a Sony camera, that you don't have to go buy a new camera, as long as you buy a video assist, I guess.
• 1:25:25
  Esteban Eordogh: Well, for me, again, what some of the tools that I would love to see on a Sony camera would be false color.
• 1:25:31
  Esteban Eordogh: I use that all the time.
• 1:25:32
  Esteban Eordogh: I mean, it is it is an essential, an essential way for me to expose, especially like when you said, you know, when you're when you're having when you're in full control of your exposure on your set, you're completely lighting, um, especially for interviews and everything, like uh false color to me is the way to go.
• 1:25:52
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh, and you don't have it in Sony cameras natively.
• 1:25:55
  Esteban Eordogh: And that's why initially that's why I bought a 6k, you know, Black Magic 6K Pro because it has that natively has you know false color and everything.
• 1:26:03
  Esteban Eordogh: But then owning a Black Magic camera to me was you know brought other issues that I could solve with an external monitor and an FX3, you know.
• 1:26:11
  Esteban Eordogh: Um, but I don't always want to rig the FX3, or I don't always want to rig rig out my you know my my Sony cameras.
• 1:26:19
  Esteban Eordogh: I sometimes I want to go as light as I can.
• 1:26:23
  Vipul Bindra: So um which talk about false color.
• 1:26:26
  Vipul Bindra: Have you heard of L Zone?
• 1:26:28
  Esteban Eordogh: No.
• 1:26:28
  Vipul Bindra: So if you own a small HD monitor, the only thing I don't like about the L Zone system, it's only available in a limited device, so it works on my Cine 7.
• 1:26:36
  Vipul Bindra: So I can only use it with my primary A camera because I only own one or two of those because they're very expensive.
• 1:26:42
  Vipul Bindra: But uh point is I love the L Zone system, so it's like false color, it's really cool.
• 1:26:47
  Vipul Bindra: You send the uh the the log data basically to the monitor, and then you can apply conversion light if that you want there.
• 1:26:54
  Vipul Bindra: But it basically represents like uh the the image like the the false color, but in stops of light.
• 1:27:01
  Vipul Bindra: It makes uh the dude, you gotta go watch some videos about the L zone system.
• 1:27:06
  Vipul Bindra: It is so incredibly easy to use.
• 1:27:09
  Vipul Bindra: I'm talking very easy to you, like you know, you you know in X stops, like not only are you overexposing, but by how many stops.
• 1:27:17
  Vipul Bindra: So so essentially they've remapped the false color zone, I can tell you.
• 1:27:21
  Vipul Bindra: Instead of you know, like having IRE values as what you're looking at, you're looking at stops.
• 1:27:26
  Vipul Bindra: And and to me, uh, and I hope I'm explaining it correctly, it's like the next level of false color, and it's incredible.
• 1:27:34
  Vipul Bindra: And I wish all cameras have it.
• 1:27:36
  Vipul Bindra: The only thing I don't like for my image pipeline personally, I prefer to send out my conversion line directly from the camera, and that may just be a personal preference.
• 1:27:45
  Vipul Bindra: I don't want to apply anything on the monitor level because a lot of time we're doing multi-view, so I may have different conversion LUTs.
• 1:27:52
  Vipul Bindra: You know, FX3 is not 100% the same as FX6, so you need a slightly tweaked, I'm saying, conversion LUT to show to a client, because otherwise they're gonna be like, why is this slightly green?
• 1:28:03
  Vipul Bindra: Why is this slightly magenta, right?
• 1:28:04
  Vipul Bindra: So, point is if I just went into a straight monitor and applied a conversion LUT, which you have to for L zone, that's the only negative, it would the values wouldn't look perfect, I'm saying, in a multi-camera mode.
• 1:28:15
  Vipul Bindra: Versus if um uh I send it from camera, the image looks good on all cameras, but then if I do L zone, it won't work because it needs log footage, right?
• 1:28:25
  Vipul Bindra: If that makes any sense.
• 1:28:27
  Vipul Bindra: So that's the only negative that I found with it.
• 1:28:29
  Vipul Bindra: That if I'm doing multi-camera, which is most of the time, it makes it really hard to use L zone because I'm applying that conversion light, whatever I'm using to see on all the cameras, and then it's not showing me the the way I want to look at it, if that makes any sense.
• 1:28:44
  Vipul Bindra: But I would highly recommend looking into that.
• 1:28:46
  Vipul Bindra: It's really cool.
• 1:28:47
  Vipul Bindra: You do need a small HD monitor for it, but man, talk about being able to expose correctly.
• 1:28:53
  Vipul Bindra: Like, there's no debating what's how many stops, you know, below or down or whatever you're looking at.
• 1:28:59
  Vipul Bindra: It just makes it very easy to expose.
• 1:29:01
  Mario Rangel: Here's a photo you want you want to look at it.
• 1:29:03
  Mario Rangel: Look at that, look at that.
• 1:29:06
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it does look like kind of like it's basically similar concept, but like it's it's representing values in stops.
• 1:29:13
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and to me, stops of light is so easier to understand than IRE values because what if you're recording for HDR or you know, what if you're recording low?
• 1:29:21
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know.
• 1:29:21
  Vipul Bindra: I feel IRE values is is fine.
• 1:29:24
  Vipul Bindra: I'm not saying false color is not is bad.
• 1:29:26
  Vipul Bindra: I use it too because I can't use you know L Zone and everything, but I do think L Zone is better than false color any day of the week.
• 1:29:35
  Vipul Bindra: It just needs to get out of the limitation of I think a DP made it too.
• 1:29:40
  Vipul Bindra: Can you find out what who's the DP that invented L Zone?
• 1:29:43
  Vipul Bindra: Uh but it's not like made by a company, it's made by a DP, so I think they have to just license it from him or whatever.
• 1:29:48
  Vipul Bindra: But it's made by a working professional.
• 1:29:50
  Vipul Bindra: Again, this is designed for people like us who are working in the field.
• 1:29:54
  Vipul Bindra: It's not just made by some company in a in a you know, not no offense, I know you're a software engineer, but if you're not in the field, I feel like a lot of times, you know, these companies will make a product uh and throw it on the field, and then they they but they have never worked with a professional before, and they have to get to version two or three before.
• 1:30:11
  Vipul Bindra: He's the guy so he invented a shout out to him.
• 1:30:22
  Vipul Bindra: Really cool system.
• 1:30:23
  Vipul Bindra: I really like using Elzone.
• 1:30:25
  Vipul Bindra: Unfortunately, I only get to use it when I'm using the Cine7, which is generally mounted on the A cam, so which is good, but I can't do it on all the cameras.
• 1:30:33
  Vipul Bindra: That's the only limitation I have currently.
• 1:30:36
  Vipul Bindra: Uh so makes you basically forces you to buy small HD monitors.
• 1:30:41
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know that many other monitors that supported yet.
• 1:30:43
  Vipul Bindra: So that's the the the catch there.
• 1:30:46
  Esteban Eordogh: Alright.
• 1:30:46
  Esteban Eordogh: I'm going to change it.
• 1:30:48
  Esteban Eordogh: I'm gonna give give this a whole 180 degree degree turn and get veer away from talking gear for a second.
• 1:30:56
  Esteban Eordogh: So we were on a super fun shot.
• 1:31:00
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 1:31:00
  Esteban Eordogh: Okay.
• 1:31:00
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh on a fun shoot, I'm sorry.
• 1:31:03
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh what has been your most gratifying job that you have done in the video industry?
• 1:31:10
  Vipul Bindra: Oh wow, that's crazy.
• 1:31:11
  Vipul Bindra: Gratifying in what way?
• 1:31:13
  Vipul Bindra: Financially, uh you know, uh, artistically, oh wow.
• 1:31:17
  Esteban Eordogh: Open question.
• 1:31:18
  Vipul Bindra: Uh dude.
• 1:31:20
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, you're gonna put me buying because uh I can think of one right now, but it's under NDA, so I can't talk about it.
• 1:31:26
  Vipul Bindra: Okay.
• 1:31:27
  Vipul Bindra: Uh I would say the first time somebody paid me six figures for a video.
• 1:31:37
  Vipul Bindra: It sounds crazy.
• 1:31:39
  Vipul Bindra: You know, when you when you when I started, you you know, I I I can't go too much into it, it was NDA, but what I could say is this simple, like what what I'll tell you.
• 1:31:48
  Vipul Bindra: Your mindset goes, you know, when I started, I was like, oh, if I can make hundred thousand dollars a year, life would be and then somebody comes in one day and says, Hey, here's a budget and we need one video, two-minute video, here's the requirements.
• 1:32:02
  Vipul Bindra: What are we looking at budget-wise?
• 1:32:04
  Vipul Bindra: We could we're thinking about hundred, hundred fifty, you know, and I'm like, uh what?
• 1:32:09
  Vipul Bindra: Right in your brain, right?
• 1:32:10
  Vipul Bindra: When until the numbers scaring you, and then you just go, Well, the parameters make sense because you know, the requirements of the video, okay, we got shoot this, we need this, we need this much crew, we need this much set bill.
• 1:32:22
  Vipul Bindra: You know, like you can clearly see where the numbers are coming for.
• 1:32:24
  Vipul Bindra: They're not, but but what I'm saying is like, but as a person, you for a second you go, what the fuck?
• 1:32:32
  Vipul Bindra: Like, you know, I'm looking at numbers that you were you, I don't know, I couldn't imagine once, right?
• 1:32:38
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, you tell me one project, one video, I'm gonna be paid that much.
• 1:32:43
  Vipul Bindra: I I know, and I'll give you a real world example for a different one because I know I can't talk much about it, but yeah, most of these big projects, that's the only negative.
• 1:32:50
  Vipul Bindra: They usually come through agencies, they usually come through big brands.
• 1:32:53
  Vipul Bindra: So, and and for some reason they want NDAs.
• 1:32:56
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know why.
• 1:32:57
  Vipul Bindra: I get it, but like, I don't, I don't know.
• 1:33:00
  Vipul Bindra: I'm fine, you know.
• 1:33:00
  Vipul Bindra: I I I don't do this for credit, so I'm like, I'll sign whatever NDA.
• 1:33:04
  Vipul Bindra: I'm pretty sure I would love to talk about the job I'm doing right now.
• 1:33:07
  Vipul Bindra: Tomorrow's the last day, so you know, we're doing this after a shoot day.
• 1:33:10
  Vipul Bindra: Point is I would love to talk about it, but I have a feeling I heard them talk about it.
• 1:33:15
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, we gotta get the crew to sign NDAs.
• 1:33:16
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, really?
• 1:33:17
  Vipul Bindra: Why could you say that on day one?
• 1:33:19
  Vipul Bindra: So I captured so much footage and I was like, oh, I'm not gonna be able to show any of it because it's probably all about to go under NDA.
• 1:33:26
  Vipul Bindra: So that's I think our negative of what we do.
• 1:33:28
  Vipul Bindra: And trust me, what I've been shooting is there's nothing there that I would even think they need an NDA for.
• 1:33:33
  Vipul Bindra: But you know, when you're when you have so much money and people involved, people tend to, I guess, protect their their footage.
• 1:33:39
  Vipul Bindra: So I get it.
• 1:33:40
  Vipul Bindra: But anyway, that was like a very gratifying moment for me.
• 1:33:44
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, like you said, it's I'm very professional, I'm very business.
• 1:33:47
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, yeah, absolutely, let's do it.
• 1:33:48
  Vipul Bindra: And like I said, the rate was valid, it's not like they're giving me free money, but then you just walk out and you go, uh, what did we just do that?
• 1:33:56
  Vipul Bindra: Did we just get so much money to make a video?
• 1:33:59
  Vipul Bindra: Yes, we did, and then you just move on with your life, right?
• 1:34:02
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, but yes, that was very gratifying.
• 1:34:04
  Vipul Bindra: But talk about the other one.
• 1:34:05
  Vipul Bindra: It is this project.
• 1:34:06
  Vipul Bindra: I'm really excited.
• 1:34:07
  Vipul Bindra: So, this client, I've been working with them for three years.
• 1:34:10
  Vipul Bindra: I'm talking about the car shoot that we just did, and you know, I've been pitching them ideas.
• 1:34:13
  Vipul Bindra: You know, every time I meet them, I'm like, let's do this, let's do this.
• 1:34:16
  Vipul Bindra: And you know, there's they're small company, yes, they make very expensive cars, but they sell limited number of cars, they're not selling millions of cars.
• 1:34:23
  Vipul Bindra: Right.
• 1:34:24
  Vipul Bindra: So, as a company, they don't have that much marketing spend.
• 1:34:27
  Vipul Bindra: They have money, but that's it's limited money, so they gotta be careful where they spend it.
• 1:34:31
  Vipul Bindra: Um, and it's not like they're not making videos where they're in-house videographer and edit.
• 1:34:35
  Vipul Bindra: So I come in for special projects, but I want to do something bigger than what we've been able to do in the past.
• 1:34:41
  Vipul Bindra: So I really was like, how can we come and get involved?
• 1:34:45
  Vipul Bindra: So for them to finally go, hey Whipple, we're about to launch this car.
• 1:34:50
  Vipul Bindra: Let's go make 12 uh series of 12 videos before we launch this car.
• 1:34:56
  Vipul Bindra: And I'm like, awesome, sign me up.
• 1:34:59
  Vipul Bindra: And that's why normally I'm all about, you know, like you have certain rates, certain budget, certain things, you gotta do it.
• 1:35:06
  Vipul Bindra: And then this client, I was like, and I'm again straight, I'm a straight shooter.
• 1:35:09
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, okay, so 12 videos is a lot of work, right?
• 1:35:12
  Vipul Bindra: A lot of shoot days, really last minute shoot.
• 1:35:14
  Vipul Bindra: So point is what's the budget?
• 1:35:16
  Vipul Bindra: And then the budget is X number, right?
• 1:35:19
  Vipul Bindra: And I'm like, uh, that would sound crazy again if you didn't know the parameters of the shoe, right?
• 1:35:25
  Vipul Bindra: If I'm like, here's 100 grand, right?
• 1:35:27
  Vipul Bindra: Sounds like a lot of money, but now I'm like, yeah, I own like you have to work here for two and a half months, and you go, okay, that's a lot.
• 1:35:33
  Vipul Bindra: Now you gotta bring 20 other people with you.
• 1:35:34
  Vipul Bindra: Uh okay, right?
• 1:35:35
  Vipul Bindra: The money starts to dwindle, dwindle, and you quickly realize, oh, the profit is very low.
• 1:35:40
  Vipul Bindra: So again, they it's really high budget for them, but once you break it down over the course of work, post pre-production, production, it wasn't the highest budget.
• 1:35:49
  Vipul Bindra: But I was really excited to take it because I was like, hey, it's a I don't have to fly.
• 1:35:53
  Vipul Bindra: It's a company that I'm already in relationship with, and we're gonna make some sick videos that those type of clients are not just there every day.
• 1:36:02
  Vipul Bindra: So I'm really passionate about it.
• 1:36:03
  Vipul Bindra: We've obviously done a few shoot days.
• 1:36:05
  Vipul Bindra: You were part of one of them, and uh obviously we're gonna do a few more, and I would love for you to bring you back when we have a finished car and we do a track day.
• 1:36:12
  Vipul Bindra: I think that'd be an awesome day to bring you back.
• 1:36:15
  Vipul Bindra: Because you know, what the one we did was a mule car, right?
• 1:36:17
  Vipul Bindra: That car is just for testing, it's not painted.
• 1:36:19
  Vipul Bindra: And it still looked amazing.
• 1:36:20
  Vipul Bindra: It still looked amazing.
• 1:36:21
  Vipul Bindra: So can't wait for the the car when it's actually finished, when it's painted, when they've dialed in everything, right?
• 1:36:27
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, that I think is gonna be an incredible shoot to do.
• 1:36:30
  Vipul Bindra: But anyway, I it the project was gratifying because what we do is transformative, as in like when I sell send my video to a client, they go sell their products and services, they make a lot of money and they thank you.
• 1:36:43
  Vipul Bindra: You know, it feels good, right?
• 1:36:44
  Vipul Bindra: But that's it, right?
• 1:36:46
  Vipul Bindra: You don't get to do something at the core of it.
• 1:36:48
  Vipul Bindra: I'm just shooting interviews in B-roll, right?
• 1:36:51
  Vipul Bindra: Or maybe some scripted content where they're talking to camera or whatever.
• 1:36:54
  Vipul Bindra: What I'm saying is like, as a filmmaker's goes, I only do a few projects a year where like lives are at stake, or you know, we're doing something cool.
• 1:37:04
  Vipul Bindra: At the end of the day, we're doing corporate video.
• 1:37:05
  Vipul Bindra: I get it.
• 1:37:06
  Vipul Bindra: This isn't like the most thrill-seeking videos, and uh, if car stuff, like I'm doing it for dealerships, maybe right, a commercial.
• 1:37:13
  Vipul Bindra: Sure, we'll do a car rig, but that's not nothing crazy.
• 1:37:16
  Vipul Bindra: It's like one shot of a car driving, right?
• 1:37:18
  Vipul Bindra: On a bridge or something.
• 1:37:19
  Vipul Bindra: You you know what I'm talking about.
• 1:37:20
  Vipul Bindra: It's not like ex so here.
• 1:37:22
  Vipul Bindra: We're like, oh, we're gonna go on track day.
• 1:37:24
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, you know, they're showing me.
• 1:37:25
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know.
• 1:37:26
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, how do you say that fancy car company?
• 1:37:27
  Vipul Bindra: Our comparison was some really, really fancy connects, I think.
• 1:37:32
  Vipul Bindra: Uh car enthusiasts are gonna kill me for saying it wrong.
• 1:37:36
  Vipul Bindra: Uh the car company?
• 1:37:37
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it's K-O-N-N-E-S-I-G, something like that.
• 1:37:42
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, like I said, people people who love hypercars are like, like, this guy can't even say the name.
• 1:37:48
  Vipul Bindra: But like uh, that was our like reference video just to see, you know, not like we're making the same thing, but like inspiration, like, hey, another small company.
• 1:37:55
  Vipul Bindra: Look, look up K-O-N-N-S-I-G on Google and it'll should a car company and then it should just recommend the top link.
• 1:38:06
  Vipul Bindra: And that's basically like I and I'm like that's like a huge company.
• 1:38:13
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, here it is.
• 1:38:14
  Vipul Bindra: You found it?
• 1:38:14
  Vipul Bindra: Okay, look at that.
• 1:38:15
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, pull up the website so they make the world's fastest, I think, car or something like that.
• 1:38:22
  Vipul Bindra: The street legal.
• 1:38:24
  Vipul Bindra: So see, like incredible cars.
• 1:38:27
  Vipul Bindra: I'm not that's not my car com uh the company that I'm working with.
• 1:38:30
  Vipul Bindra: What I'm saying is that's when your reference videos are coming from that.
• 1:38:34
  Vipul Bindra: You go, wow, like you know, we get to build something really cool, and guess what?
• 1:38:39
  Vipul Bindra: Our budget is a tenth.
• 1:38:40
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, you your time is one tenth of what they have, right?
• 1:38:44
  Vipul Bindra: So so and then you're put in under these limitations or whatever, and then you go, okay, let me let me do something really cool here, and uh, you know, we can make hopefully the same better, or even if you get close to it under the the limited parameters that we have, uh, you know, because like I said, this project wasn't even close until like what Monday, and we were shooting Thursday, right?
• 1:39:04
  Vipul Bindra: You know how tight the deathline was.
• 1:39:05
  Vipul Bindra: I didn't even talk to you until like a day or two before the shoot, like, hey, let's go.
• 1:39:10
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh to be honest with you, I was so happy that I, you know, that the whole star is lined up.
• 1:39:14
  Esteban Eordogh: Like, yeah, I was available, Alex was in town.
• 1:39:20
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh, you we had all the gear, we had all the everything, and you were like, Yeah, meet me tomorrow at seven o'clock in the morning, six o'clock in the morning.
• 1:39:27
  Esteban Eordogh: You got it.
• 1:39:28
  Esteban Eordogh: Let's go.
• 1:39:28
  Esteban Eordogh: Yeah.
• 1:39:29
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it it came in to and to be able to get like it's a mat.
• 1:39:31
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, uh, the FPV guy guy that I hired, Andrew wasn't available.
• 1:39:35
  Vipul Bindra: So I was like, Oh, I gotta, I need an FPV.
• 1:39:37
  Vipul Bindra: Because, like I said, if it's a regular drone, I can do it.
• 1:39:39
  Vipul Bindra: But A, I want to direct, I don't want to be tied into a drone.
• 1:39:42
  Vipul Bindra: So I was like, I need a drone pilot, but I need an FPV drone pilot.
• 1:39:45
  Vipul Bindra: So I was like, Andrew, well, you can do it, then you gotta recommend me someone.
• 1:39:49
  Vipul Bindra: And he was like, Hey, there's a guy I trust, and the guy did amazing, obviously.
• 1:39:53
  Vipul Bindra: The footage was incredible.
• 1:39:55
  Vipul Bindra: I wish we could be showing that right now, but it's it's not there yet, right?
• 1:39:58
  Vipul Bindra: Uh so but yeah.
• 1:39:59
  Vipul Bindra: No, that project was incredible.
• 1:40:01
  Vipul Bindra: And talk about gratifying.
• 1:40:02
  Vipul Bindra: To me, that was that that whole shoot day was gratifying.
• 1:40:04
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, you tell me we get paid to do this, this is incredible.
• 1:40:07
  Vipul Bindra: And I the only thing I was worried about is like, I hope that I don't get giddy.
• 1:40:11
  Vipul Bindra: You know, I've been doing this since 2010.
• 1:40:13
  Vipul Bindra: So I'm not like, you know, like this is like second nature to me.
• 1:40:16
  Vipul Bindra: I love what I do, but I'm like not like giddy about shoots.
• 1:40:19
  Vipul Bindra: I just like, yeah, whatever.
• 1:40:20
  Vipul Bindra: It's a shoot.
• 1:40:21
  Vipul Bindra: Like I I, you know, it's it's fun, but I'm not like, but this was one of those shoots where I don't know if you noticed, I was like very happy and excited to be there.
• 1:40:29
  Vipul Bindra: But I was like, I hope the client doesn't think that who are these bunch of amateurs that I hired because we're all just so excited to be there.
• 1:40:37
  Vipul Bindra: Because I'm like, it was fun to be around there, fun to be part of something incredible.
• 1:40:41
  Esteban Eordogh: I think if they are the ones having fun too, you know, like that just that just it's contagious.
• 1:40:46
  Esteban Eordogh: Exactly, right?
• 1:40:47
  Esteban Eordogh: I don't think I don't think it's a bad way because I remember when I was talking to the engineers and they were like talking about temperatures and the car and this and that and the other, and I was like, man, you guys have the coolest job in the world.
• 1:40:58
  Vipul Bindra: And they're like, Yep, mate, yeah, you know, yeah, they they love what they do.
• 1:41:01
  Vipul Bindra: So yeah, no, that was a very gratifying project.
• 1:41:04
  Vipul Bindra: Uh so no, thanks for asking about that.
• 1:41:06
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I love what I do, but it's not every day we get to do cool stuff like that.
• 1:41:11
  Vipul Bindra: That's where I'm gonna leave it.
• 1:41:12
  Vipul Bindra: Not that what my other clients do is not cool, the shoots aren't that cool, they're more marketing related or you know, analytics related, which is fine.
• 1:41:21
  Vipul Bindra: I love deep, deep diving into business and numbers, but you know, uh it's not as fun as a car shoot.
• 1:41:27
  Vipul Bindra: So that's what I'm saying I'm really excited about finishing this project, sharing these videos, and they're gonna be coming slowly as probably what these podcast episodes roll out.
• 1:41:35
  Vipul Bindra: So maybe in the future we'll be able to share some of the content.
• 1:41:38
  Vipul Bindra: But uh, but yeah, no, I'm I'm so glad that you have been and will continue to be a part of this project, and hopefully more.
• 1:41:46
  Vipul Bindra: And it just came from something very random as wanting to use a pocket three camera, and that's why I tell people the power of networking is is crazy.
• 1:41:55
  Vipul Bindra: You would be amazed how many friends I have that I met through renting a random gear from them, like hey, I need this, or they rented something random from me because they needed it, you know, and I was I was the guy who had it.
• 1:42:06
  Vipul Bindra: Like, connections can be made anywhere, and when you relate to each other, you want to work together.
• 1:42:13
  Vipul Bindra: And if you work together to create great images, you progress and then you hire each other again, right?
• 1:42:18
  Vipul Bindra: Right.
• 1:42:18
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, and that's why a lot of people like ask me, they're like, should I go to film school?
• 1:42:22
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, not for the education element of it, not that uh they're not teaching good stuff, but it's just you don't need it, you can learn it on the job very easy.
• 1:42:31
  Vipul Bindra: What we do, you don't need a degree for it, right?
• 1:42:33
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, but here's something you do gain at college is networking because you're gonna now be surrounded by other people who love to do what we do, right?
• 1:42:42
  Vipul Bindra: And then guess what?
• 1:42:45
  Vipul Bindra: Some of them obviously may not end up doing this full time after they get out of college happens, but someone may go direct a Hollywood movie, someone may go direct a Super Bowl commercial, you don't know.
• 1:42:55
  Vipul Bindra: And if you are in that network, high chance, high likelihood, you're gonna go together and you're gonna be able to piggyback if each other, right?
• 1:43:04
  Vipul Bindra: Where you know, oh, I know a great sound guy, or I know good that great DP or whatever, and you never know where your career goes.
• 1:43:12
  Vipul Bindra: So networking is a huge element that you could get out of school.
• 1:43:15
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, and not that you couldn't get it outside of school, but I'm saying that is the only good thing that comes out of film school, in my humble opinion.
• 1:43:23
  Vipul Bindra: But uh, yes, being able to network, I think, is a is a huge element of what we do.
• 1:43:28
  Vipul Bindra: It's only who you know, right?
• 1:43:30
  Vipul Bindra: Like a lot of people are like, oh, I'll go buy like oh, Vipple has so much gear.
• 1:43:34
  Vipul Bindra: I'll just go buy all this gear and somehow I have all this work.
• 1:43:36
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, most of my clients never call me because of the gear, they only call me because they know me or they trust me or they heard from someone they trust to hire me.
• 1:43:50
  Vipul Bindra: I hope that makes sense.
• 1:43:51
  Vipul Bindra: Yes, because so many people I know are like, this is going in the real.
• 1:43:53
  Vipul Bindra: And I'm it's good, sure.
• 1:43:55
  Vipul Bindra: You know, reels are nice, they're fine, but at least for what I do, where I help brands and companies, nobody on my none of my clients go to my website to watch a reel, right?
• 1:44:07
  Vipul Bindra: They usually come and I always that's like number one thing.
• 1:44:10
  Vipul Bindra: I always ask, so how'd you find out about me?
• 1:44:12
  Vipul Bindra: Or why'd you decide to hire us or whatever?
• 1:44:14
  Vipul Bindra: Just so no, I know, right?
• 1:44:15
  Vipul Bindra: Where my clients are coming in, and most of the time it's that it's like, hey, we know this one who recommended you, or we met you here and we know you, right?
• 1:44:26
  Esteban Eordogh: That's how that's how so I do have a website, um, but most of the times or most of the new businesses that we have acquired has been through word of mouth.
• 1:44:38
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, exactly, word of mouth.
• 1:44:39
  Vipul Bindra: And then anytime they do come through social media, it's so crazy.
• 1:44:42
  Vipul Bindra: I don't, which are we're trying to, obviously, by the time you watch this, you know, we're we're making an attempt to be more active on social media.
• 1:44:49
  Vipul Bindra: But it's funny, I've had a few clients where they go, Yeah, we we we looked you we looked up you up and you had the better stuff than anyone else.
• 1:44:56
  Vipul Bindra: And I'm like, Are you sure?
• 1:44:58
  Vipul Bindra: Because I haven't updated my real in four years, I haven't posted about anything.
• 1:45:02
  Vipul Bindra: So, I mean, absolutely, I'm like, so where'd you say I social media?
• 1:45:06
  Vipul Bindra: Because you know, I I'm not gonna waste their time by asking 20 questions, but generally when I ask them, that's rare, but sometimes they've said that I'm like, uh even I'm debating, I'm like, uh, I know when they say, Oh, I know this person, I know what I've done for them, what kind of level of videos they've looked at, that helps give a reference point of the price point they're looking at.
• 1:45:23
  Vipul Bindra: But it's it's hard when they're like, Yeah, we looked at social media, you had the best content.
• 1:45:27
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, not that we don't make good content, we don't post about it.
• 1:45:31
  Vipul Bindra: So I was like, not that we shouldn't, that's just not a flaw on us, which is why I'm trying to do this, be more proactive.
• 1:45:37
  Vipul Bindra: But um, most of my clients typically I'm saying they're not looking at reels, they're not, they're going by trust because they worked hard for their money, right?
• 1:45:44
  Vipul Bindra: Or their jobs.
• 1:45:45
  Vipul Bindra: Because if they're a marketing manager, they're their their head is on the line if they do a rehuge campaign and the campaign fails to bring in the revenue, right?
• 1:45:54
  Vipul Bindra: Or they do uh uh, you know, or it's a CEO who's like limited funds for marketing and they spend it on me and I don't bring them results.
• 1:46:03
  Vipul Bindra: So they're very careful where they spend money, and that's the thing.
• 1:46:06
  Vipul Bindra: Like, I'm like, I hope people learn.
• 1:46:08
  Vipul Bindra: It's like it's it's it's not that your creativity sucks or you're not good at what you do.
• 1:46:15
  Vipul Bindra: You're definitely, you know, if you've got the skills, obviously that's important, but if you don't, acquire them.
• 1:46:20
  Vipul Bindra: But a lot of times when you you're really good filmmakers, you sometimes still may be struggling.
• 1:46:25
  Vipul Bindra: I listened to some filmmaker right now in LA was like, yeah, I'll take as low as 350 bucks, and I'm like, holy moly, right?
• 1:46:32
  Vipul Bindra: Not that 350 bucks is a low amount of money, I'm saying, but for you to have that much experience and uh been in the industry so long, but you're struggling for work, when the industry is struggling, you'll take you know whatever you get.
• 1:46:47
  Vipul Bindra: And and at the end of the day, I'm like, but there is a way out of it as long as you can give others a value.
• 1:46:54
  Vipul Bindra: Because if your value is I'm a really good filmmaker, I'll bring a camera, then you're worth the few hundred bucks, right?
• 1:47:02
  Vipul Bindra: And that's fine if that's what you enjoy.
• 1:47:04
  Vipul Bindra: But at least to my clients, they pay a huge amount of money, is because I'm not bringing them value of camera.
• 1:47:11
  Vipul Bindra: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:47:11
  Vipul Bindra: The equipment is there to help me do the job, not because the client wants the equipment, right?
• 1:47:16
  Vipul Bindra: Most of the time it's like, hey, we have this problem, we need more clients or whatever, right?
• 1:47:22
  Vipul Bindra: Or we're struggling to grow, we need to figure out whatever.
• 1:47:25
  Vipul Bindra: And then I go in, it's like, okay, this looks too old school, or this needs to be changed, it needs to be implemented on the video side, obviously, right?
• 1:47:33
  Vipul Bindra: And then and then we make those videos, and they generally work because we know what we're doing, because we've done this so many times.
• 1:47:40
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, you can look at reference points of this type of business, and then this is what they need, this is the result there was, and then you keep up, obviously, with the industries, because you gotta you gotta keep tweaking your work.
• 1:47:52
  Vipul Bindra: But what I'm saying is it's just about helping others, and then they pay for videos, but indirectly for the results those videos would give, if that makes sense.
• 1:48:01
  Esteban Eordogh: And in what I have learned in the in the years that I've been, you know, short two years that I've been doing this, they don't care if you have an FX3 or an FX6.
• 1:48:10
  Esteban Eordogh: They all they care about is how much money is it gonna bring to them the product that we give them.
• 1:48:15
  Esteban Eordogh: So um, you know, what's my IRI?
• 1:48:18
  Esteban Eordogh: That's the that's the big thing.
• 1:48:20
  Vipul Bindra: So yeah, exactly.
• 1:48:21
  Vipul Bindra: But I've had some people who go then, okay, I'm gonna keep up all the money and let me give them a shitty product because it it's still let's say thoughtfully produced.
• 1:48:29
  Vipul Bindra: I'm just saying they don't deserve that either.
• 1:48:31
  Vipul Bindra: I feel like you shouldn't take advantage of your clients, but at the end of the day, equipment doesn't matter, just use the right tool for the job, whether you have it or just rent it from your friends, go build a network, don't have a network, just call people, right?
• 1:48:44
  Vipul Bindra: Like you said, meet, go on shoots, hang out, and you never know what leads to where, and you'll end up on who knows what set, and then you'll be working together.
• 1:48:52
  Vipul Bindra: It's crazy.
• 1:48:53
  Vipul Bindra: Like uh I have a friend who is like who got me on the job because he met someone on an Adidas shoot, and then they went on to do something together, right?
• 1:49:01
  Vipul Bindra: Like they were random people on a shoot together, and they were like, hey, let's go make something together six months later, right?
• 1:49:07
  Vipul Bindra: And and and so you never know where that network is coming from.
• 1:49:10
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, but if you refuse to go be a PA or I don't know, gaffer or something, you know, it doesn't always have to be like you don't have to be a DP or a director every every shoot, you know.
• 1:49:22
  Vipul Bindra: Uh because networking, I think, is a huge element in what we do because they have to know this agency or this company, let's say they want videos, they have to know you exist.
• 1:49:32
  Vipul Bindra: And then they have to know that you will solve that problem.
• 1:49:35
  Vipul Bindra: They're not gonna know that uh by you, you know, staying at your home or making a couple of Instagram reels.
• 1:49:42
  Vipul Bindra: Like, I I love those reels as a filmmaker where it's like, hey, this is how I shot it, this is the final result.
• 1:49:47
  Vipul Bindra: It's cool, but it's like, how do they know that solved the problem?
• 1:49:51
  Vipul Bindra: If their problem is I don't have enough leads closing, right?
• 1:49:56
  Vipul Bindra: Sure, we get a lot of leads in, but most of our leads don't close.
• 1:49:59
  Vipul Bindra: We have a low conversion rate.
• 1:50:01
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know if they care how you shot it and what's the end result.
• 1:50:04
  Vipul Bindra: I hope that makes sense.
• 1:50:05
  Vipul Bindra: Right.
• 1:50:05
  Vipul Bindra: So, yeah, I mean, uh, you know, but again, that's that's why we're brought in, right?
• 1:50:10
  Vipul Bindra: Now you do both style of videos, right?
• 1:50:13
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, you've helped brands and and companies, but you've also done, like you said, uh music work.
• 1:50:20
  Vipul Bindra: And in my little experience with it, I found that they don't generally have the bigger budgets.
• 1:50:25
  Vipul Bindra: So, how have your experience been talking about business side of things working with concerts versus let's say a company?
• 1:50:34
  Esteban Eordogh: Two different worlds, okay?
• 1:50:36
  Esteban Eordogh: So usually for concerts you have a specific amount of money.
• 1:50:40
  Esteban Eordogh: I mean, I'm gonna say probably, you know, between the range of like a thousand to fifteen hundred bucks to go shoot a night, you know, do the next day, but that's a little quick thing in and out, right?
• 1:50:51
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh for corporate work, which is my preferred style, right?
• 1:50:55
  Esteban Eordogh: Like, don't get me wrong, I love concerts, I love l l live events, I dance, I sing, I jump and everything, but that's something that is more for fun than for actual cash, you know.
• 1:51:06
  Esteban Eordogh: Um corporate work for me, this is where it's at, right?
• 1:51:12
  Esteban Eordogh: Um more because uh whenever we do corporate work, okay, I am the person who actually does the interview.
• 1:51:21
  Esteban Eordogh: And I like sitting down with you know the customer, the the I like tell me about what your company is and try to get their emotion and draw that conversation towards that part while I control all the set and and I don't know, it's a it's a different, it's a different type of thing, it's a different feeling.
• 1:51:45
  Esteban Eordogh: Um but if you really want to make money into this, corporate is where it's at, right?
• 1:51:51
  Vipul Bindra: So you just moved into town, not not literally that long ago.
• 1:51:55
  Vipul Bindra: Have you gotten a local client yet?
• 1:51:58
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh in Orlando, one how did you land that client?
• 1:52:02
  Vipul Bindra: Because I think it'd be a good thing to know through a friend that mutually, and how did that go?
• 1:52:08
  Vipul Bindra: It was it's okay.
• 1:52:09
  Vipul Bindra: It's okay.
• 1:52:09
  Vipul Bindra: Do you so what's your strategy?
• 1:52:11
  Vipul Bindra: So you're now in Newtown.
• 1:52:12
  Vipul Bindra: Obviously, you know some people, but you're not like you don't you're you don't have a huge network, you just got here.
• 1:52:19
  Vipul Bindra: Uh obviously you're lucky that you have a really good nine to five, but you know, you you have a production company and a partner, so you guys need to grow in this area.
• 1:52:28
  Esteban Eordogh: What is the strategy that you're thinking you're gonna deploy to go out and just you know, just so for now uh we have been running uh ads on social media, that's one.
• 1:52:42
  Esteban Eordogh: Um I have gone to uh two meetings in the chamber of commerce in my local chamber of commerce.
• 1:52:49
  Esteban Eordogh: Um which which one is that?
• 1:52:52
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh St.
• 1:52:53
  Esteban Eordogh: Cloud.
• 1:52:54
  Esteban Eordogh: Okay.
• 1:52:54
  Esteban Eordogh: Um have gone to two of them.
• 1:52:57
  Esteban Eordogh: I think that's very important just to network and figure out, you know.
• 1:53:01
  Esteban Eordogh: Yeah, or just be active in the community.
• 1:53:04
  Esteban Eordogh: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:53:04
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh I actually have uh contacted a couple of marketing agencies just giving out giving out names and numbers, uh met with other industry know people in the industry.
• 1:53:19
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh so there's several things that are going on at the same time.
• 1:53:23
  Esteban Eordogh: So but we're not completely dead still because a lot of the jobs that we actually have done have been in in Miami.
• 1:53:32
  Esteban Eordogh: So we actually have been traveling back and forth quite regularly.
• 1:53:37
  Esteban Eordogh: Um but I me personally, I am not in a position to be traveling three hours every single day, right?
• 1:53:48
  Esteban Eordogh: Just because I I just got married, I just bought a house, I do have a nine to five job.
• 1:53:57
  Esteban Eordogh: Um yeah, you got a lot going on.
• 1:54:00
  Vipul Bindra: Congratulations, marriage, new house, new city, new everything.
• 1:54:03
  Esteban Eordogh: Thank you.
• 1:54:04
  Esteban Eordogh: Um so it's been kind of uh yeah that that I don't know where I'm at.
• 1:54:11
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh I don't know anybody, that that sort of thing.
• 1:54:16
  Esteban Eordogh: So that's why things that like when we when we talked the first time, I was like, man, I just want to go and get the cameras out and do something.
• 1:54:24
  Vipul Bindra: And you know, I could totally get it because I was in Orlando for years, and I left for a few years and came back, and I was I felt like I didn't know anyone.
• 1:54:31
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, I was here, I worked with people, and all of a sudden, it took me even a few months to like get out, go back, build a network, talk to people.
• 1:54:40
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, because like you said, once you leave an area, like you, you, you know, you lose touch or whatever, and people all sort of traveling and moving all the time.
• 1:54:48
  Vipul Bindra: So for you to come to, like you said, a new city where you you didn't even live here for years, like I did.
• 1:54:54
  Vipul Bindra: So uh, you know, it can be difficult, but it's doable.
• 1:54:56
  Vipul Bindra: I don't I don't want anyone to to think that it's not doable.
• 1:54:59
  Vipul Bindra: At the end of the day, it's just about, like you said, boots in the ground, meeting the people.
• 1:55:04
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, shout out to Steven, who was the finale on the last season.
• 1:55:07
  Vipul Bindra: He's the president of the Western Chamber of Commerce.
• 1:55:09
  Vipul Bindra: I had him on the podcast, quite literally telling you from the chamber's perspective how to get the most out of it.
• 1:55:15
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know how easier I can make it.
• 1:55:16
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, like for people who who love what they do, they just want this to be a full-time career or to make whatever kind of money they're looking to make from the corporate commercial world.
• 1:55:26
  Vipul Bindra: But uh, looking on your perspective, why did you then pick sounds like Miami's more active, which makes sense.
• 1:55:31
  Vipul Bindra: A lot of concerts there.
• 1:55:33
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, why did you pick Orlando or South Orlando in general as your location to buy a house and move to over Miami?
• 1:55:42
  Esteban Eordogh: Price.
• 1:55:42
  Esteban Eordogh: Just price.
• 1:55:43
  Esteban Eordogh: Just price, period.
• 1:55:44
  Esteban Eordogh: With the amount of money that I was gonna buy something here, I would not buy half of the property in Miami.
• 1:55:50
  Esteban Eordogh: Miami's very expensive, makes sense.
• 1:55:51
  Esteban Eordogh: So, you know, I said that it was much more let's call it chill environment than Miami.
• 1:55:58
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh, I was born in Caracas, Venezuela, so it's a it's a pretty crazy atmosphere.
• 1:56:03
  Esteban Eordogh: So I wanted something out a little more calm.
• 1:56:06
  Esteban Eordogh: Um, St.
• 1:56:07
  Vipul Bindra: Cloud's really beautiful, yeah.
• 1:56:08
  Esteban Eordogh: And so that's why I picked that's why I picked the Orlando.
• 1:56:11
  Vipul Bindra: For being Orlando, yeah.
• 1:56:12
  Vipul Bindra: Orlando's not chill because we are the tourist capital of America, if not the world.
• 1:56:16
  Vipul Bindra: But St.
• 1:56:17
  Vipul Bindra: Cloud's near the tourist area, like you're next to Kissimmee, but you're not there.
• 1:56:20
  Vipul Bindra: So you get the quaint, you know, small town vibe while being in the major, you know, metropolitan area of Orlando.
• 1:56:27
  Vipul Bindra: So it's a it's a good pick.
• 1:56:29
  Esteban Eordogh: Not only that, you know, I strategically picked um I strategically picked being close to the uh Florida Turnpike, so that way I can just hop on the turnpike if I need to, and that's it.
• 1:56:41
  Esteban Eordogh: And just end up wherever, yeah.
• 1:56:43
  Esteban Eordogh: Right.
• 1:56:43
  Vipul Bindra: So yeah, which is awesome, which is why you were able to come here.
• 1:56:46
  Vipul Bindra: I can't believe you just moved because you know, you you not only moved to town, but then you bought a house and you know closed on it and moved.
• 1:56:52
  Vipul Bindra: That took a second, but you just moved literally to your new house a few days ago.
• 1:56:57
  Vipul Bindra: So for you, and I know it was chaos.
• 1:56:59
  Vipul Bindra: When I moved here, dude, uh, we didn't even get our plan was oh, we'll get the thing, we'll put up the blinds, you know, because this was renovated, they didn't even have blinds.
• 1:57:06
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, we didn't even get blinds in here for days like after we had closed on the house.
• 1:57:12
  Vipul Bindra: So because you know, there's so much to do when you buy a brand new house.
• 1:57:15
  Vipul Bindra: So I can't believe that uh you're still you're here doing this and talking to me, but this is awesome.
• 1:57:20
  Vipul Bindra: I really want to connect because like I said, it's usually I connect with someone and then we go on a shoot.
• 1:57:26
  Vipul Bindra: It's the opposite with you, where we went on a shoot and then we're now connecting.
• 1:57:30
  Vipul Bindra: Not that we didn't talk that day, we talked significant amount, but that was while we were working.
• 1:57:34
  Vipul Bindra: But to be able to come and do this uh while we're uh uh you know doing this, you know, in this type of setting.
• 1:57:42
  Vipul Bindra: But it's great to learn.
• 1:57:43
  Vipul Bindra: I can't wait to do more shoots with you and just collaborate in general because I think uh now that I've seen your skill, I saw what we were able to do.
• 1:57:52
  Vipul Bindra: I know we were only using pocket threes, but just with their BTS content, because you were you know doing it with your ZE1, Z V E1, and just in general, the vibe, because to me it's like you know, when you hang out with people is when you get realize how their wives are.
• 1:58:06
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, when you know when you know someone knows you just like the footage is fire, that that adds to the elements.
• 1:58:12
  Vipul Bindra: So I think what we created was awesome, it was fun to hang out.
• 1:58:15
  Vipul Bindra: I think that all five of us just had such a great time.
• 1:58:18
  Vipul Bindra: The client loved it, we loved it, which is I think the best of both worlds, and uh I can't wait to just do more shoots with you.
• 1:58:24
  Vipul Bindra: So before we go, uh you know, can't believe it's freaking been already two hours.
• 1:58:29
  Vipul Bindra: Uh right, Mario?
• 1:58:30
  Vipul Bindra: Um are we running uh almost where what time are we looking at?
• 1:58:34
  Mario Rangel: Yeah, we're good.
• 1:58:34
  Mario Rangel: We're almost at two uh two hours.
• 1:58:37
  Vipul Bindra: Okay, so before we go, Esteban, uh, you want to tell people where to go follow you or where to come learn more about what you do?
• 1:58:45
  Esteban Eordogh: All right, so my our website is uh phoenixfilms.co.
• 1:58:50
  Esteban Eordogh: We have the entire portfolio that we have done there, uh, anywhere from photography uh to uh corporate videography, events, live events, um sports, and uh gastronomy, aka food and cocktails.
• 1:59:09
  Esteban Eordogh: Um and our Instagram page is uh Phoenixfilms 901.
• 1:59:16
  Esteban Eordogh: So at Phoenix Films 901, and you can just follow us there and send us a message.
• 1:59:20
  Esteban Eordogh: Um right now, like I said, you know, I'm open to meeting new people, figuring out you know where things are.
• 1:59:27
  Esteban Eordogh: I know it's gonna take a minute before I actually start connecting with like potential customers and all that stuff.
• 1:59:33
  Esteban Eordogh: Uh, but man, I am more than happy to like I did with you, man.
• 1:59:37
  Esteban Eordogh: You know, just go let's go out on a shoot.
• 1:59:40
  Esteban Eordogh: Let's go out, you know.
• 1:59:40
  Vipul Bindra: Let's go out, let's get the cameras out.
• 1:59:42
  Vipul Bindra: And like I said, I highly recommend listening to Steven's podcast because I really love what you said about you've already been to the Chamber of Commerce.
• 1:59:49
  Vipul Bindra: The biggest thing is how to get the most out of Chamber of Commerce.
• 1:59:52
  Vipul Bindra: A biggest thing is like you said, you gotta get connected.
• 1:59:55
  Vipul Bindra: But when you do, there's certain ways to approach it.
• 1:59:58
  Vipul Bindra: I would highly recommend listening from the present.
• 1:59:59
  Vipul Bindra: President, because you know he's outsider from video, so he could tell you exactly how to make as a video business the most out of it.
• 2:00:06
  Vipul Bindra: But you are taking the right steps.
• 2:00:08
  Vipul Bindra: This is exactly what I did, and it worked for me when I moved back to Orlando.
• 2:00:11
  Vipul Bindra: You go out and be more active in the business community, go meet other filmmakers, you just do what you do, right?
• 2:00:17
  Vipul Bindra: And don't stop taking gigs from Memphis.
• 2:00:19
  Vipul Bindra: I don't think you are, because you got to continue.
• 2:00:21
  Vipul Bindra: Like I left Alabama doesn't mean we're not taking gigs from Memphis.
• 2:00:24
  Vipul Bindra: I'm going back tomorrow.
• 2:00:25
  Vipul Bindra: I'm going back tomorrow for a gig tomorrow.
• 2:00:27
  Vipul Bindra: And right, yeah.
• 2:00:28
  Vipul Bindra: So so the the what we do, location technically doesn't matter because like I'm on a plane all the time, just came back from Chicago, you know, we're gonna go somewhere else.
• 2:00:36
  Vipul Bindra: I think Missouri next.
• 2:00:37
  Vipul Bindra: So it's like you're always, I'm saying, traveling.
• 2:00:39
  Vipul Bindra: So uh it it doesn't matter.
• 2:00:41
  Vipul Bindra: You're in Orlando doesn't mean you can't take gigs in Memphis still or other places, right?
• 2:00:45
  Vipul Bindra: So I think you're on the right path.
• 2:00:46
  Vipul Bindra: I'm just so glad we connected.
• 2:00:47
  Vipul Bindra: We're definitely gonna shoot more, and uh, I'm just just happy to you know have you in my network.
• 2:00:52
  Vipul Bindra: And uh, I'm so glad you're in Orlando, man.
• 2:00:55
  Vipul Bindra: We're gonna we're gonna kill it.
• 2:00:56
  Vipul Bindra: So thank you, Esteban.
• 2:00:57
  Vipul Bindra: This was fun talking, man.
• 2:00:58
  Vipul Bindra: Until next time.
• 2:00:59
  Esteban Eordogh: Yeah, cool, brother.
• 2:01:01
  Mario Rangel: Thank you, Mario.
• 2:01:02
  Mario Rangel: Thank you guys.
• 2:01:04
  Mario Rangel: Bye bye.