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PGA Championship preview with Matt Rudy, Matt Snyder on Pete Rose's HOF ban being lifted · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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All right, good afternoon. Welcome to Miller and Condon on
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a Wednesday. It's the Iowa Sports Radio
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Network. Trent Condon, Ken Miller for the
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next couple of hours talking sports with you.
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Trent will join the program a little later.
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He's got a a family commitment that's keeping him away for the
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first O 30 minutes or so of the program.
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But in that time, in fact, in about 5 minutes, Matt Rudy from
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Golf Digest, formerly of Golf Digest, where he covered golf
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for decades, better part of four decades, will join me.
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We'll discuss the second major PGA Quail Hollow gets underway
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this week. So a little golf conversation
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coming up here, excuse me, in about 5 minutes with Matt Rudy,
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Matt Snyder will join me. Now, the reason Matt Snyder
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talks baseball with Trent and I every Monday and the second hour
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of the program, but he's a Hall of Fame voter.
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With the news that came down yesterday with the the list of
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players that were permanently ineligible from baseball, making
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them exempt from any opportunity to qualify for the Hall of Fame.
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With that now going by the wayside, what does this mean?
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We'll pick Matt's brain about, you know, potentially a door
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opening for a guy like Pete Rose, Shoeless Joe Jackson,
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maybe the other names on the list.
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I, I mean, I, I don't know anything about them.
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Obviously the 1919 of a Black Sox scandal.
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Sure, shirtless Joe Jackson, for whatever reason is the face of
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that. But boy, by all accounts and
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anything you read, he was maybe the one guy that was on the up
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and up. So we'll see.
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But it's certainly what's more about Pete Rose.
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And ironically, the day before Pete Rose night it at the Bank
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of America field in Cincinnati, which is tonight.
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Yesterday we found out that the eligibility, the permanent
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eligibility ineligibility is now no more and we'll see where it
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goes. So Matt Snyder's going to join
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me to talk that. What about his fellow Hall of
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Fame voters? How do you think they will
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react? They've got some time.
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This will not be for the 26th class.
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The earliest he could see induction into the Hall of Fame
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would be 2027 Matt Snyder at 12:45, David Kaplan, Centurion
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Stone of Iowa sponsors Cappy. He will join me here coming up
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at Trent as well at one O clock, kicking off the second hour of
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the program. Cubs at a big win last night
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come from behind. Fashion moisis by Esteros got a
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nice round of applause. He stepped into the batter's box
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for the first time in the show. He was over last night, but
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they'll be better. Days ahead for him.
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But big night for Justin Turner, who really needed that last
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night because I thought the sand in his career hourglass was
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quickly running out. And it seemed like if the Cubs
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were, you know, going to make another move that Justin Turner
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would be on that very short list of guys who may be designated
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for assignment. But last night was his night as
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he drives in the winning runs in the ninth inning.
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So we'll talk to Kathy about Chicago sports stuff when we
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talk to him at one O clock. And then Sloane Paiva recovers
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sports wagering and the NBA for the Sporting News.
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He'll stop by at about 1:30 try. We'll make some picks before we
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get out of here. Circa sports sponsor those those
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coming up at about 10 minutes before too.
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Speaking of Circa sports, real quick before we ring Matt Rudy
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here, the circus put out their conference win totals when it
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comes to college football. This year may interest some of
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you as it as it certainly did me and my partner as well, But
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these have been out there for a while at other places and Circa
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has essentially mirrored what they're seeing at other spots,
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at least in that when it comes to the 2 locals.
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Iowa State, their win total is 7 1/2.
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At the top of the Big 12. There are three teams at 8 1/2 K
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State, Arizona State and Texas Tech and then Baylor, BYU, Iowa
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State, Kansas and Utah all at 7 1/2.
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So parody looks as though it's going to rain again in the Big
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12. Meanwhile in the Big 10, Ohio
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State and Oregon at the top, Penn State right behind at 10
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and then Iowa 7 1/2. Matt Rudy, long time golf writer
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at golf die just now a ghost writer where he writes books and
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is busy doing that but takes time out every all of the majors
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to preview and to recap with Trent and I.
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And he does here this morning. Matt Trent's gone for a family
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commitment for the first oh, half hour.
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So just me. Good to speak with you as
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always. How are you, Matt Rudy?
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You know, I'm putting the finishing touches on a book with
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Mark Blackburn, who is combinant tour coach and I'm having a
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great time talk talking to you looking.
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Forward to it absolutely and appreciate what we've done over
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the decades, quite frankly, doing just that well when it
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comes to this tournament, the PGA quail hollow and I'm sure
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you've been there. So I'm anxious to pick your
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brain on on the course itself, but what I've read, because if
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you can hit it and you can hit it straight and you can putt,
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you've got a chance. Is this, is this a golf course
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that's more committed to the to the long hitter?
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Well, I think I think it's fair to say that if you can drive the
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ball like Rory, I mean, that plays anywhere.
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That kind of makes me, it makes me chuckle when I hear, you
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know, some of the sort of mid level analysis of golf courses
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where, you know, if you can drive it and you can, you know,
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you can hit good iron shots. Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, I
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mean, that's, that's golf, right?
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I think, I think, you know, being a being a, an elite driver
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of the ball is obviously a good thing.
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But I think more, I mean, the, the the discussion that I've
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heard about Clay hollow is from the players is pretty accurate,
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which is this is a extremely well conditioned place that is a
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is a test for a particular that rewards a particular kind of
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golfer. And that's a golfer who likes to
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hit high and far off the teeth and hit it from right to left.
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You know, a lot of the holes favor a high right to left shot,
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which happens to be the kind of shot that Rory likes to hit and
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happens to be a shot that Dustin Thomas likes that.
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And those are two players that have had really good records at
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this place in the in the PGA Tour events, in the major
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championships that they've had here over the last 15 years.
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You know, there's been some kind of grumbling that it doesn't
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have a lot of soul for a major championship venue.
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But I mean, to be fair, the PGA is the, is the organization
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that's had major championships that places like Valhalla and
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courses they own where, you know, it's more about, I think
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you're presenting a fair test to players that that is
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entertaining to watch more than kind of the legacy of the golf
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course itself. And I think if you look at the
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winners list of the PCA championship recently, there's
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there's been some really exciting golf with some
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fantastic winners. So I think they're they're,
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they're engineering it in a way that's providing us something
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exciting to see. You know, and if we go back a
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year in this, of course, this was the Scotty Scheffler
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arrested in Louisville at Valhalla, as you mentioned.
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Truly one of the more bizarre stories in all of sports in
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2024, wasn't it? I have to say it's the most
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bizarre thing I've encountered in the 25 years I did that at
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Golf Digest. I was working on the last big
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piece that I did for Golf Digest, which was Randy Smith.
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Scott Scotty's coat, you know, from the time he was a kid, it
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was a, it was a oral history about building Scotty
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Scheffler's game completely with all these pictures from his
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childhood and swing analysis from all these different times
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throughout his life. And I've worked with Randy since
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2000 and I've known Scotty since he was 5.
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So when I woke up that morning, and if you had said to me
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there's 1000 people in a line and which one is the least
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likely to get arrested on the first day of a major
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championship, Scotty Scheffler would have been a thousandth in
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line. So the fact that that unfolded
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the way it did was just incredibly bizarre because he, I
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mean, he says mild mannered, polite, nice, regular as you'll
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run across. And I don't understand that
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because I've known him a long time.
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That's just, I mean, he actually comes across it's kind of
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boring. He just doesn't have a lot to
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say. He's not a he's not a
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confrontational guy. And I think to be able to do
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that, you know, get get arrested and then get out of jail and
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come to the golf course and try to reset.
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I mean, when you're when you're saying something like, well, I
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had to do my pre round stretches in a jail cell.
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That's not something golf very often.
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No, that's that's very true. Well, what do we think of his
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chances this week? Obviously we saw him win
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recently. So he's in good form.
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He's the betting favorite is he's going to be most every
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every week he puts AT in the ground to start a golf
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tournament. He's going to be up there on the
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on the odds board. Your thoughts on his week?
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Now, is he going to take an Uber to the court?
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Is he going to drive himself? I guess that's the, to me,
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that's the big question. I mean, obviously what he did at
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the Byron Nelson a couple weeks ago, I mean, he just tore the
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place apart and it was a, it was exactly the way he plays, which
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is just taking the drama out of a golf course.
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He's a real analyst. He hits fairways, he hits
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screams. It's understandable that he's
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the betting favorite, but I think for me the betting
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favorite is Rory. Nobody has a better record at
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this place. Winning regular PGA Tour events,
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you know, winning, winning all the different ways you can win.
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Their bad weather, good weather, low scores, medium scores.
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He loves Quail Hollow and I and I really think that what
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happened at the Masters was a liberating event for Rory there.
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There's a, you know, a 10 or 11 year backup in the system where
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he didn't win these and he won the one that he needed to win.
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And I to me, I think it's going to open something where we see
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one of those, you know, Brooks Kaepka style, Tiger Woods style,
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you know, or even like Xander last year, you know, where you
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just were, you know, all of a sudden something bursts and they
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all come out. So if I'm betting that's that's
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where I'm putting my money. I mean, I'm certainly not going
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to tell you that that Scotty's not a wide investment, but if
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you can get Rory McIlroy and his odds are not the, you know, the
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short artist in the in the field, I mean, that's something
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you should take. You know, as we think back to
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the Masters, it was such a compelling final.
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Few holes in the television numbers were off the charts.
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Justin Rose obviously was a big part of that as well.
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And he's a massive price, which he was again.
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What about Justin Rose? Does he have another a good
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effort in him? Might you be looking at him
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maybe for a top ten finish? What's his weekend going to be
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like? He's been on my brain because
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Mark Blackburn teaches Justin and that book that we're
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finishing right now. And, and so to kind of be in the
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middle of this with Mark as this was happening really in the last
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two majors, just to finish second at the Open Championship
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last year too, and then to finish second at the Masters,
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You know, the, it's really been an interesting time.
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He's a guy who doesn't hit it as far as some of the other
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players. And he's actually 45 years old.
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I don't think people realize that, you know, he's not a, he's
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not the youngest guy. He doesn't hit it the farthest,
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but he's an incredible shape and he's an incredible technician is
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the way I would describe it. Nobody, nobody kind of kind of
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dissects a golf course better than he does.
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And so I don't know if that necessarily lends itself to a
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place where, you know, I think the players were trying to
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figure out a way not to make it sound insulting, but they said
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you just get up on the tear and try to hit it as far as you can.
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And that that doesn't that to me, that doesn't present much of
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A of a chess match as it does more of a boxing match.
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So, so I also, I think he hasn't really, he didn't feel all that
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great last week physically not you're not in terms of an
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injury, but just being I'll. So I think that's probably the
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reason why the odds are a little bit taller.
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Jordan Spieth is a PGA away from joining.
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Rory is amongst that that list of players who've won every one
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of the major. You know, you think back to his
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2015, what a remarkable run he was on, right?
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He had three of the four the PGA was the one that escaped him.
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Is his game in a spot where he might be able to to join that
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elusive club? What do you think of him this
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week? Well, I think there's a there's
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a category of players that are just physically superior to
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others. You know, I think they're in
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that, you know, Class A category when you when you, when you
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think of, for example, what Rory can do with the ball with Scott,
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he can do with it, what Bryson can do with the ball.
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Those are just different players than what Jordan Spieth is.
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And I actually put Jordan kind of in that team category as
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Justin Rose. It's not a knock on what they
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are, what they do, but I think at this point in what where they
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are in their career, you know where their game is right now.
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Those are players like Zach Johnson was, you know, when he
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was winning majors or something in particular needed to happen.
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They needed to be an anomaly. You know, there needed to be a
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weather monomaly. There needed to be something,
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you know, Brian Harmon at the Open Championship a couple years
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ago. You know, there needs to be some
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kind of anomaly where the physically superior players
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aren't doing something. So I think it's a great story
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and I actually think, you know, Jordan's been able to benefit
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from a little bit different of a experience in this, you know,
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finish the career Grand Slam thing then Rory went through
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because Rory was so good and so dominant, you know, like Jordan
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Spieth was too. But we really haven't talked a
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lot about Jordan Spieth over the last few years.
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You know, when you have an injury that diffuses some of the
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talk, he's been able to kind of, you know, be away from the, you
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know, remember what Monty went through when he was the best
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player never to win a major. You know, all that talk I think
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is so difficult to deal with. I don't think he's had to carry
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around that as much as Rory did. So if you can be under the radar
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and, you know, come out and try to do it, I mean, I don't know
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that this is the best venue, but it is encouraging to see that he
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is playing better golf. I think he shot 61 a couple
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weeks ago at the Nose. I mean, you know, those are good
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signs. Sunday, do we need McElroy and
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Dechambeau to play with each other again in the final group?
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Wouldn't that be great theater? It would it cracked me up to
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hear the question in the press conference when someone said,
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oh, you know, Bryson, Bryson complained that you didn't talk
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to him during the round. And I'm just thinking back to
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the Tiger Woods days where if it had been, if it had been legal
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that, you know, stabbed somebody, Tiger Tiger might have
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killed the killed the people that he played with.
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I mean, I don't think he ever talked to anybody for 10 years.
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So we reached, you know, I think with social media, we've reached
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the point where there's so much, you know, aberration.
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You know, there's, you know, there's these groups of players
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that are kind of, you know, jocular buddies that go on trips
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together. I think people forget that for
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most competitive sports, I mean, the, the only talking that
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really tends to happen is is, you know, you're doing trash
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talking and golf doesn't really have a lot of trash talking.
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But we've reached a new level where you, you, you weren't
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congenial enough with the, with the person that you're trying to
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beat out on the golf course. You know, Speaking of social
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media and and Tiger, that's what it's become.
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Sadly, at this point, for whatever reason, maybe it's I go
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down these rabbit holes, I've I've inevitably come across just
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an unbelievable shock. But that Tiger Woods hit at some
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point in his prime. Not that we've forgotten how
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good that he is, but it's it's unfortunate that you know, some
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of the you know, people that are starting to get into the game
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now missed this, right. They were too young.
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He was he was unbelievable, was he not as we think that and I
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hope it's not over, but it sure seems like it is.
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My God, he was unreal. Not only was he unreal, I think
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the probably the unfortunate thing, it's very similar to what
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I think the Michael Jordan experiences, which is there are
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so many unbelievable shots. You know, so many unbelievable
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things that happened that he make.
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He made the unbelievable seem like it was just sort of a
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regular thing he always did and that and that's really unfair
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him because you know, the shots was able to pull off and the and
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the length of time that he was so dominant.
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And I think what people forget is just how much more dominant
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he was than anyone else. I mean there wasn't even
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anybody. I think it would be fair to say
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there wasn't anybody in second place.
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I mean you had the first you had the 1st place guy and then maybe
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somebody in 7th. That was about it.
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And I mean, I can remember talking to Brooks Kefka and he,
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I mean, he said that Tiger Woods single handedly changed the
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trajectory of Phil Mickelson's career.
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And that's really true. I mean, Phil Mickelson has had
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one of the six or seven best careers in the history of the
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PGA Tour. And Tiger probably took five or
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six major championships away from him just by being there.
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I mean, that's, that's an amazing, an amazing stat.
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Not really is. And there was going to be Sergio
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versus Tiger, remember that. Trying to shoe horn and to
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develop that rivalry there. There was no rivalry.
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He was just in the class, passed by himself.
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So who are you going to pick this week?
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Is it Roy to come back and and to start going on a little bit
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of a run here and to get to June with two of them, the first two
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majors already in the bang? Boy, it'd be fun to talk about
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some of that, you know, crazy, that crazy Grand Slam, you know,
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you'll finish the career Grand Slam, then win, you know, win
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them all in the same year. That's that's a pretty tall
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order. But I know you and I have had,
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you know, flavors of this conversation through the years.
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What I love about golf is when there are more, when there's
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more than one actor, you know, when there's more than one
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person, there's more than one player, more than one storyline.
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And I think the we're, we're getting to see that.
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I mean, Bryson is a fantastic storyline every major
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championship and what Xander Joplin did last year, winning
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two majors, but not winning player of the year, I mean,
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that's, that's just, it's amazing.
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And that's a testament to what Gotti Scheffler was able to do.
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So I, I like to see, you know, exactly what we saw at the
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Masters, which was, you know, watching Rory McIlroy basically
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go through a three hour long car crash, you know, get up, you
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know, have the chance to, to, to get this great personal goal and
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then, you know, falter and lose the lead and get it back again.
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I mean that that drama is fantastic.
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So I'd like to see Rory win just kind of as a payback for the,
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you know, the 10 years of agony that he's that he's been through
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trying to trying to make this stuff happen.
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He took the country with him that day too, you know.
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We we the absent flows of his final round.
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You're a sports fan. If you got a heart, you just, I
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think I could speak for the majority of people, right?
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It was like we were playing alongside of him, almost
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vicariously through him. It was unbelievable.
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Matt and Jordan, go ahead. We got time.
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I was just going to say and the problems he went through are the
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ones that we go through. Right.
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You hit the hit, the incredible shot that hit, the wet shot in
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the water. I mean, it's just amazing.
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Unthinkable. Regular person golf.
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Yeah, it truly was. Talk to you on Monday, brother.
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Reach out over the weekend. Thanks as always for doing this,
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Matt Rudy. Appreciate it.
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You bet. See.
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Good to talk to you, Matt. Rudy, formerly of Golf Digest,
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covered the sport for literally decades.
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That was one of the the one of the events of the year, right?
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When we look back at the year in in sports, the second weekend of
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April is certainly going to be on that list because what a what
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a satisfying result to begin with, because I think the
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majority of the public, unless you had a bet on Justin Rose,
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both of them, you know, foreign born players.
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But rooting for this guy to finally get this monkey off of
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his back and to accomplish a feat that had eluded him in
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heartbreaking fashion for so many years.
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Maybe this is finally going to be the year that he's able to
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put together and have to go to a playoff in order to do it.
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And the television numbers reflected it was unbelievable.
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All right, a couple of things that we're going to get to.
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Obviously the schedule is starting to trickle out in the
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in the NFL, We'll get it tonight.
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Some of the bigger days, it looks as though Christmas Day is
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going to have a triple header. Obviously we know that what what
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lies ahead when it comes to Thanksgiving.
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But if indeed we do get the Christmas Day.
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Well, here's what this is what is out there for now.
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So we'll just throw this out there subject to change
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obviously, as this is not official.
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I've not seen this come from from the NFL Twitter account,
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but there's certain RX account. But there's certainly a number
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of people that believe that this is it.
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So this is what Thanksgiving looks like.
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Apparently the early game would be Green Bay at Detroit.
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Love it. Two teams, obviously Detroit and
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their Rd. schedule. My God, it's not fair if you've
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looked at that, but Green Bay, Detroit, yes please.
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Kansas City and Dallas, middle of the afternoon. 330 kick off
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in Dallas, the Chiefs and the Cowboys and then Tampa Bay and
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the Rams at night. Christmas Day, triple header
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Detroit at Minnesota to get things going.
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I'm guessing that would be noon, maybe 11:30, but noon for that
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one. Then Dallas and Washington, NFC
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North, Jaden Daniels and and the in the prime slot on Christmas
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Day and then Christmas evening, Denver at Kansas City, those six
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prime time games. If these are indeed accurate, by
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21:18
was that was tweeted from a reputable source.
21:22
Not that these haven't been, but this seemingly.
21:24
We'll wait for confirmation, but if that's what we get, oh boy,
21:27
buckle up. How good would that be?
21:29
We'll take a time out. Trent will be here at one point.
21:31
We'll do our recap of what we saw yesterday.
21:34
Both in the NBA, probably not a lot in the NHL.
21:38
I was really just down in the dumps.
21:40
I thought my Jets outplayed the Stars.
21:41
I really did, and I'm a Jet fan. But the better team on the ice
21:45
last night was not the winning team.
21:46
In my opinion. The team that had the better
21:48
goaltender was the winning team. And Jake Ottinger was by far the
21:52
best goalie on the ice last night.
21:54
I don't know what it is. I'm tired of talking about it.
21:56
Tired to try to figure out what in the hell happens this guy
21:59
once you get past Game 82. But it is in his head.
22:05
We'll do that baseball conversation coming up.
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Cappy kicks off the second hour of the conversation.
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Pete Rose is eligible. We'll talk to a Hall of Fame
22:14
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Iowa Sports Radio Network on about 12 minutes, 15 minutes.
23:14
We will talk to Matt Snyder. He's a Hall of Fame voter in
23:16
Major League Baseball. We'll get his thoughts on Pete
23:20
Rose being eligible, which opens the door potentially for him to
23:24
gain admission to Cooperstown and the Hall of Fame.
23:28
Not till 2027, but still that door is now been open to crack.
23:33
TC Good to see you my friend. Hello, good to see you again.
23:37
Let's let's get into the NBA from last night in our short
23:40
segment here with Snyder coming up.
23:43
Look it, it seemed like a foregone conclusion we were
23:46
going to get Cav salts in the Eastern Conference final.
23:49
Now it seems like a long shot that well, we know there's no
23:52
shot that Cleveland's going to be there, and Boston's up
23:55
against it with the injury. But the Pacers March on.
23:59
How did we miss this team? It's a good question.
24:02
It goes back to the. I mean I get.
24:04
You and I missing because you know.
24:06
We weren't following it right, but how nationally you can miss
24:09
it. It's a team that made the
24:10
Eastern Conference Finals a year ago.
24:12
I think more than anything, it just felt like the Cleveland was
24:17
that much better. But I've mentioned it coming
24:20
into the series when we saw that price tag a better than four to
24:22
one with the Pacers. Yeah, Clinton's better, that
24:26
much better limited sample size for us.
24:29
But on the national scale, does it go back to the Halliburton
24:32
question? The the overrated part of it,
24:35
people, Trent on a national scene not believing in a big
24:38
moment in a big series. That their best players
24:40
overrated. How can they go anywhere?
24:41
And maybe that is a piece of that.
24:43
And because it wasn't just players that had that
24:46
conversation about Tyrese Halliburton.
24:48
There's plenty of people in NBA circles that had those types of
24:51
conversations. He's proven them wrong.
24:53
I'll say. Back-to-back Eastern Conference
24:55
finals and now they get the Knicks.
24:58
Who would you favor in that series?
25:01
Knicks will have homecourt. Because of that reason, probably
25:05
the Knicks. But I think I might back the
25:06
Pacers and, you know, I might go a step further.
25:09
I mean, should we be looking at Halliburton's price to be the
25:11
MVP of the of the NBA playoffs? Because if the Pacers are going
25:16
to get there and they're one of four teams.
25:19
Right. They've punched their ticket
25:21
already. I mean, is of of anybody on that
25:26
team? I mean, I like Siakam.
25:27
Mm hmm, sure. Nemard's a nice player.
25:31
But Halliburton, if they're going to win, it's going to be
25:33
Tyrese that carries him. Can you get double digits on him
25:36
at this point? You to win now.
25:38
Remember, what he did beforehand is not supposed to matter, it's
25:41
Finals MVP. So the playoffs.
25:43
So it's not playoffs MVP. Oh well then forget about all
25:47
that. It's Finals MVP.
25:48
Because then it's going to be too short of a price if he's
25:50
there. He is 12:50 to win that award.
25:54
Eastern Conference Finals MVP plus 210.
25:58
Yeah, at this point, the ship has sailed.
26:00
Yes, but boy, you have one of those tickets.
26:02
That's too bad. That could have been a hefty,
26:05
hefty, yeah. I mean, what, what a series he
26:08
had. You know, I and and if if it's
26:11
the Indiana Pacers that get there, so be it'll be great
26:14
because there's a lot of folks that'll be rooting for Tyrese
26:16
Halliburton. I mean, he's a good guy by all
26:18
accounts. I mean, his dog's name is Ames.
26:21
So Ames made an impact on Halliburton.
26:24
And look what Iowa State did for him to get him to this point.
26:26
And obviously his talent has got him to Iowa State and has taken
26:29
him to the NBA and the stardom that he has reached.
26:32
But that would be great. But if we get Knicks versus T
26:37
Wolves and that trade keeps coming up, the the hatred
26:40
Vincenzo, he got into it with some some of his former team.
26:44
So we'll see where that goes. The other game, look at Djokic
26:50
was not tired, no putting in 44. But the narrative was that this
26:55
team seemingly is wearing down. It looked like his teammates did
26:59
because OKC took it to them in the fourth quarter.
27:02
It was the defensive intensity and that's what you talk about
27:04
with this OK C team and it's not about the flashing and what you
27:07
get out of SGA it. Was really good though.
27:10
It's what they are on the defensive end.
27:11
They are an elite defensive team.
27:14
They were in trouble and I thought the only way that Denver
27:17
could win the series is winning game five and Game 6.
27:20
I don't see them being able to come back to OK C after winning
27:23
on Game 6 on Saturday and Game 6IN Denver coming back and then
27:27
winning back-to-back. I thought that was the
27:29
opportunity. They're right there.
27:30
It's 8068 and then 10 minute mark of the fourth quarter, it
27:35
just went stagnant and they tried so many different things
27:38
and they got some looks that just wouldn't go down.
27:40
And that's going to happen in basketball.
27:43
But more than anything, it was the defense for the Thunder that
27:45
completely took it out of it. And it was another one of those
27:48
snap of the fingers, 12 point game.
27:50
Nope, it's two point game. It happened that quickly in OK C
27:54
Shay down the stretch, but still Jokic's three pointer off the
27:59
wrong foot. What can't he do with what on
28:01
the shot clock to tie it back up?
28:05
It's unthinkable to have a guy this limited his layup that
28:08
happened right before that. So he's got Chet Holger, who's 7
28:12
toe 2 with a wingspan of, I don't know, feels like 8 foot.
28:16
About 180 lbs. He's right there.
28:19
There's two other big guys around him.
28:20
He gets at best 4 inches off the ground.
28:23
He just rolls it off, his fingers it in for a lamp.
28:25
OKC in the T Wolves, if we do get that in the Western
28:28
Conference final, it's looking like that.
28:30
I guess they split the series this year 2 games apiece and
28:33
then the two games Minnesota won.
28:35
Holmgren did not play in those games.
28:37
But you know what? I take my chances.
28:39
Rudy Gobert against Holmgren. I mean, that's a man.
28:42
Gobert's a man I'm right there with.
28:44
You, I mean, I think, oh God, if the T Wolves get to the final of
28:48
this thing, and they're certainly in a position to do so
28:52
at this point, We'll see where it goes from here.
28:54
Did you watch any of the Cubs last night?
28:55
I saw the walk off. Did you see it?
28:57
Saw that boy, Justin Turner needed that in the worst way.
29:00
It seemed to me like if the next time that the Cubs needed to
29:04
make a roster move, Turner was probably on that short list,
29:07
right? Absolutely DFA guy in his 40s.
29:11
What's going to happen? I didn't even realize until I
29:13
saw the box score last night. That was his first double of
29:17
the. Year.
29:17
Is that his first? I didn't know that.
29:18
Either I mean to not have a double until May 13th, that's
29:23
unconscionable. No, it's the guy that's trying
29:25
to. Is that going to change
29:26
anything? No, I don't think so.
29:28
But but he had his night last night and and his teammates
29:31
couldn't get to second base quick enough to start jumping
29:33
all over him. Obviously he's a hell of a
29:36
career, heck of a career, and he's trying to extend it.
29:39
Why wouldn't you're a Major League player?
29:41
Why would you ever want to give that up if you still don't?
29:43
And he's in Toronto. He's in Seattle last year, at
29:46
Cubs this year, but seems like his Major League service days
29:50
are probably coming to an end. I think the best thing I saw
29:52
last night, night in baseball was Javi Baez, a guy that we've
29:55
been. What a story.
29:57
We've been kind of tiptoeing around talking about it, just in
29:59
in flashes here and there. A dead contract, just dead
30:04
weight, a waste. What a miss.
30:06
They're going to eat it. We saw the flailing swings that
30:09
happened in Chicago. That's part of the game.
30:11
Embarrassing. But that's all it was because
30:14
you didn't also get the good that we used to get from Javi
30:16
Baez. It was only the bad that's what
30:18
it was from him both defensively and offensively that those wild
30:22
flails ever what's while go home run that dried up to bounce back
30:26
in this fashion, doing it after a position change, playing at a
30:29
high level in center field. He's not playing left field.
30:33
Is that parked over at first base?
30:35
He's doing it at a very difficult position this late in
30:38
his career. That is great to see.
30:40
I love it, Trent. I do.
30:41
I mean, this is a guy was washed up as you mentioned, Detroit
30:44
made just a terrible move on with that signing.
30:47
Had to find him a new position. They were there were serious
30:50
conversations about just eating the contract and and him being
30:54
out of baseball. But that home run that he hit
30:56
the game-winning home run, it looked like one of his Chicago
30:59
Cubs home runs. Just a no doubt about it.
31:02
He knows it's gone. Place is going crazy.
31:04
But yeah, I couldn't agree with you more.
31:06
Good to see I. Saw a camera angle from the
31:09
first base dugout and you can see the what I'd been the
31:15
catcher. I can't remember who it was for
31:17
the Red Sox, but just the catcher.
31:19
And as soon as Bias hits, that he takes.
31:20
Walk into his dugout, he. Takes his helmet off and you
31:23
just see the disdain. I don't think the pitcher hit
31:25
the spot he was looking for there.
31:27
I'm looking at the catcher's face after that one.
31:29
Oh, he hung a low pitch, 80 something miles an hour and just
31:32
parked it over the fence. We'll take a time out more
31:35
baseball conversation. We're going to switch gears.
31:37
I wanted to get Matt Snyder today rather than hold this to
31:40
Monday because A, it's time, it's timely and B, I'd want to
31:44
talk baseball with Matt Snyder, not just all Hall of Fame stuff
31:46
when he joins us as he does every Monday.
31:49
So we'll pick his brain. He's a Hall of Fame voter.
31:51
It means a lot to him. He does a lot of work.
31:54
It's not he just doesn't fill out a ballot, mail it right
31:56
back. He puts a lot of thought into
31:59
his Hall of Fame ballot. And we'll talk to him about, you
32:02
know, what does he he expects his fellow Hall of Fame voters
32:05
to do? Is it going to be a slam dunk in
32:08
2027 that Pete Rose becomes eligible?
32:11
We'll do that with Snyder when we come back, Miller and Condon
32:14
on the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
32:19
I'm Miller and Condon. Welcome back, Iowa Sports Radio
32:21
Network, 1/4 before 1. David Kaplan in our number two.
32:27
Look forward to catching up with the cap man.
32:28
But right now, little bonus Matt Snyder, who joins us every
32:31
Monday to talk baseball. And I didn't want to wait until
32:34
Monday and have the Pete Rose Hall of Fame conversation
32:37
dominate our Monday conversation because I like talking baseball
32:41
between the lines. And I guess at one point they're
32:43
all bored between the lines. But this thing has taken on a
32:46
life of its own over the last couple of decades.
32:48
And now the door is is open and is the permanent ineligibility.
32:54
Ineligibility has been waved. Therefore, Pete Rose, Shoeless
32:59
Joe Jackson, those are the two big names may at some point gain
33:03
access to the prestigious Cooperstown Baseball Hall of
33:08
Fame. Matt Snyder is a voter amongst
33:11
the for the Hall of Fame and he joins us.
33:13
Matt, first of all, thank you so much for doing this for us.
33:16
I really appreciate it. And I know how much the Hall of
33:19
Fame and the and your vote mean to you and how serious that you
33:23
take it. You've got a year.
33:24
Nothing will happen until 2027, but first of all, I guess, what
33:29
did the announcement surprise you that that the Commissioner
33:33
decided to go the direction that he did not?
33:36
Really, actually, I mean, once it seems like, especially once
33:41
Pete Rose died and then once it seems like that he was Manfred
33:47
was getting pressure politically and you know, what's what's the
33:53
harm? And I guess the and at this
33:56
point reinstating everybody on the list that couldn't just be
33:59
Pete Rose. But it's so many of these guys
34:02
have been dead for 60 plus years.
34:05
The only thing it's going to change in all likelihood is
34:09
certain bust in the Hall of Fame and that's it.
34:12
As far as the deterrent for players gambling on baseball,
34:15
there's still a gigantic deterrent in place.
34:17
And especially with as much money as the players make
34:19
nowadays, it just doesn't make sense as it did at least
34:24
financially back when the Black Sox scandal happened and the
34:27
White Sox threw that World Series.
34:29
Players didn't make that much money then and they were getting
34:31
paid off by people because they weren't making them.
34:34
You're talking now about guys, even the the league minimum is
34:38
well over 500,000 a year. And most of the guys making the
34:41
league minimum think they're going to be good enough someday
34:42
to make billions. Billions.
34:44
It's just not worth it to gamble.
34:46
So in terms of all that stuff, I don't think that much was ever
34:51
going to change except the Hall of Fame discussion.
34:53
And once pressure was applied from the the president, I
34:59
assumed that this was the route Manfred was going to go.
35:01
What do we know about the Rose family now and the way that
35:05
they're going to handle this, something that Pete Rose begged
35:07
for for decades upon decades and and waiting for this to happen,
35:11
obviously after his passing. Do we know what the family
35:14
thinks about this? And are there some fences that
35:16
are it's going to have to be mended when eventually this is
35:19
going to happen with the family? Yeah, I have no idea on that
35:23
front. I know that as much as Rose
35:25
always wanted to be in the Hall of Fame, I I would assume that
35:28
they would say they'll they'll take it no matter how they can
35:31
get it. But something that it seemed
35:34
like you were kind of alluding to there is Is there the
35:37
possibility that they're bitter that it didn't happen till after
35:39
he died? Absolutely, yeah.
35:41
So you could see there being some kind of issue there, but
35:44
haven't heard anything at all. Remember, while there was always
35:49
support specifically from his son who played in the minor
35:51
league for him, most of the chirping that you heard about
35:57
how he should be reinstated and should be in baseball, it was
35:59
from Pete himself. He didn't really allow many
36:02
people to talk for him. He didn't need a mouthpiece, he
36:04
was the mouthpiece. So no, the short answer is that
36:08
I have no idea. So when he does become eligible
36:11
in 2027, he's on the ballot for the first time.
36:15
What do you think he needs 75% to to break that threshold and
36:19
to gain access into the Hall? How do you think it goes?
36:23
What do you what do you think your fellow Hall of farmers?
36:25
How will they look at Pete Rose the first time he's on the
36:29
ballot? It's so tough to to figure out
36:32
those veterans committee votes as it is because you don't even
36:37
know who's going to be on the panel until it's usually about a
36:41
month before or generally when they announce the the people who
36:44
are going to be on that veteran committee ballot is when they
36:47
also reveal who the 16 person panel is going to be.
36:51
So you just have no idea. I remembered a couple of years
36:54
ago when the Barry Bonds, the Curt Schilling, Roger Clemens
36:57
were all on the same veterans committee ballot.
37:00
And there were Theo Epstein and a few other Red Sox connected
37:03
people on it. And there were some conspiracy
37:05
theories and like, oh, they're just putting a bunch of Red Sox
37:07
related people on there to get Schilling.
37:09
And then Schilling got like 3 votes out of the 16.
37:12
So, but there's also been cases where Tony Larusso was on the
37:16
panel the year that Harold Bain's got in, and everybody
37:19
said Tony Larusso was like pounding the table for Harold
37:23
Danes to get in the Hall of Fame, and it worked.
37:24
And he swayed a bunch of people. So it's hard telling who's going
37:28
to be on the panel. It's hard telling it which way
37:30
that people are going to want to swing things.
37:33
For the most part, publicly, guys have mostly supported Pete
37:37
Rose, but they don't have to reveal these conversations.
37:40
They're behind closed doors and none of these other Hall of Fame
37:43
gambled on the game. And they knew that was a line
37:46
that they could not cross. So it's entirely possible you
37:49
get a group of people in there who do not want deep heroes in
37:52
the Hall of Fame and would think that he was going to stain it.
37:54
It's also entirely possible that he flies in unanimously.
37:57
So it's it's really, really tough to tell my hunches.
38:02
There is a pretty polarized division no matter who you put
38:05
in there and whether it's 12 against 4, then he would get in,
38:10
8080 would not get in. But I think that most people are
38:13
pretty well ingrained to the point that I don't know how
38:17
much, you know, the thing about this committee is they meet
38:20
together in person and they discuss it and they hash it out
38:23
almost like they're a jury. I don't know how much people are
38:27
going to get swayed one way or the other.
38:29
It seems like everybody's mind's been made-up for a long time on
38:31
Pete. Is there any other names that we
38:34
should know outside of Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe?
38:36
I know the other Black Sox White Sox guys are also mentioned
38:39
there, but are there any other names that popped up here that a
38:42
baseball historian like yourself that we should know as more
38:45
casual baseball fans? Well, you know the the next best
38:50
player on there was Eddie Seacott, who was the ace of the
38:54
White Sox when they won the World Series in 1917.
38:56
If they had a sign on the ward at the time, he would have won
38:59
that. He won 2 ERA titles.
39:01
He had a career 2.3 DRA. He won over 200 games.
39:05
He he would be, if there was no stain of a scandal on his
39:09
resume, he would be a fringe Hall of Fame type.
39:13
For example, if you just sort of starting pitchers by war, he's
39:16
like 68 and there are 67 Hall of Fame starting pitchers.
39:20
So he's like right on that borderline right there.
39:24
And he's ahead of a few guys there who were contemporaries
39:27
such as Three Finger Brown, Berly Grimes.
39:29
He's the head of some of those guys, Joe Mcginnity, but he's
39:33
not a huge amount ahead of them. Plus he was one of supposedly
39:38
the main guys who was in on throwing the World Series.
39:40
So I think that probably hurts his case a little bit.
39:44
The other one that really intrigued me was Benny, not
39:50
Benny Koff KAUFF. He was known as the Ty Cobb of
39:55
the Federal League. He had two seasons in the
39:59
Federal League where if they had an MVP, he probably would have
40:01
won it. He came over to the majors.
40:03
He had very good numbers through age 29.
40:06
And then him and his brother were implicated in a car theft.
40:09
They ended up being acquitted. But right after that was right
40:13
after the Black Sox angle and the commissioner, Judge Landis,
40:16
was trying to clean up the game. And he thought any whip of
40:18
anybody who had character integrity concerns, he wanted
40:22
them out. So he'd banned him for baseball.
40:24
For that but he was acquitted. It didn't look like he did it.
40:29
I could see a special case there where hey this is kind of a joke
40:35
that he got banned in the 1st place.
40:36
It was just bad circumstances. It looked like he was going to
40:39
have a Hall of Fame career. His numbers aren't all the way
40:42
there but it's because his career was cut short halfway
40:45
through it and there are cases of guys who died.
40:48
Ross Young's is 1 for example from the Giants back in the 19
40:51
teens. If you look him up, he only
40:53
played ten years. His his right stats.
40:55
I'm talking about like batting average on base, plugging.
40:57
Were there his counting stats, which is compiling hit double,
41:01
stuff like that. We're not there.
41:02
But since he died at such a young age, everybody kind of
41:05
thought, hey, he was going to be a Hall of Famer, let's put him
41:07
in. I could see cough being
41:09
something like that. That's not going to take place
41:12
for a while, though. I feel like it's going to be
41:13
several years because they've got to get through at least Rose
41:16
and Jackson, and then there's also going to be a lot of other
41:19
guys from the contemporary era who are going to be considered
41:22
anyway. Matt, thanks for doing this.
41:24
Thanks for us. Appreciate it.
41:25
Want to get you in here and get your thoughts as a Hall of Fame
41:27
voter how this is going to go and what this means.
41:30
And we appreciate what you do for us.
41:32
Matt. We'll talk to you on Monday.
41:33
Promise I won't bug you between now.
41:36
Thank you buddy. All good all.
41:37
Good. Good to talk to you.
41:38
Thanks, Matt. Matt Snyder, CBSSports.com, Hour
41:41
2 coming up. David Kaplan kicks off the hour.
41:43
It's the Iowa Sports Radio Network.