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Let It Die Out · Outcast

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Alright, God bless you everybody.
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Thank you for those that have been listening and those that
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are new welcome. Oh, we always pray before we
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start. So absolutely alright Lord,
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thank you so much for just allowing us to be here.
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Guide us and lead us into the absolute truth.
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There's no one greater than you, and whatever it is that we're
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going to talk about, may you guide us and teach us.
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Always, Lord, always, Your lessons are the truth.
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The real lessons are truth, and there's no fly in them.
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Amen. Amen.
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Amen. Amen.
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So the previous episode was threefold.
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Yeah. Which we spoke about wisdom,
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prayer. Yeah.
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And scripture. Yeah, Right.
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There is a continuum. There's a continuation to this,
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I guess you can call it series or whatever, about wisdom,
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prayer, and how it looks like when you're aligned to His will.
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Yeah. Versus when you do things for
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your own sake, or what that would look like doing all those
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things while thinking and being in the flesh.
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Yeah, yeah. But interestingly, we would
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touching a topic that's kind of important to both men and women.
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Yeah, those listening, Yeah. Yeah.
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No, absolutely. You know, you know, it's just
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interesting, bro, like before, because I know exactly what
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we're gonna talk about. But before we started this,
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right, it's like, it's like there was this conversation that
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was so organic, you know, maybe we should talk about it.
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OK, sure. If you want to, I'm going to
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challenge you. You're.
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Going to challenge me. Yeah.
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All right, I'm going to do my best to try to.
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Diego, you, Diego, you can. You can also.
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Yeah, yeah. If there's anything that maybe
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sounds uncertain, you can always call us out.
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Right, right. So going back to what you asked
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me. What?
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What I. Asked you to give people some
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some background and it started about crushes if you will.
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Yeah, crushes. OK, crushes.
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You ever get butterflies and you feel like like you have a crush
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on someone here? I think there's, I think
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everybody has for some reason, I.
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Don't think so weird, I don't. Think Oscar has to?
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Yeah. OO's.
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No, no, not really. He's concrete.
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He's done. But yeah, I.
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Know the feeling. Yeah, I don't know.
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I was, I was, I was saying how does it feel?
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I asked you a question. How does it feel?
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Do. You have to have a crush on
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someone. On someone.
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Yeah, that's interesting. Interesting question.
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Currently or in the past or most likely currently?
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Well, in the past, you know, when I had a crush on someone,
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you know, I would feel butterflies.
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You know, I would. I would but but.
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I go for. It I know.
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OK, so I, I did. I sometimes I would have
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butterflies. No, I'm, I'm gonna be honest.
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Not all the time. Not all the time.
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Most of the time maybe since I did not know what lust and love
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was or what. Like for example, I would only
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look for mostly for appearances, you know, what appeared pleasing
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to my eyes. So I would think that's beauty
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and love sometimes. OK, so that's what I was going
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to ask. What those butterflies did you
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feel? Was it because you genuinely had
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a crush on that person? Because I don't know, you
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missed. I don't know their voice.
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Yeah. Or you like their intelligence,
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their right. Or was it you felt butterflies
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because of the idea as a dude or a man, right.
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Whatever right, of potentially having a shot at at expressing
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your physicality with her. I see.
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It was those were those the butterflies almost like
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nervousness and like, oh, I can't wait to do this.
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Oh, like you don't wait to do that?
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You're talking about sexual stuff.
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That's what I'm referring to. OK, well, was those, were those
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the butterflies? Because those exist.
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They do exist and I'm, I'm tell you right now, I have felt those
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before. Absolutely I have.
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I have. But however I will say this too
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also before the sexual butterflies came in, right or
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no, not bad, not before, let's just say like now.
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I would say now I know the difference, that it's wrong to
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lust. It's wrong.
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It's wrong when you think about lust and you get, you know those
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butterflies I used to get back then when you know, you felt
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those butterflies of lust. That's what it.
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Like yes, I will say this wrong, but now I know the difference.
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So now I know how to discern that and leave that to the side,
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OK. Or like, you know, like
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basically like through Christ I can overcome that right now.
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Now the curse that I have now because I I do have a crush.
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On that, no, Yeah, yeah, I'm not.
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Gonna lie that's, you know that's.
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Totally cool man, you know? What I mean, I'll admit, I'll
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admit I'll. You know, I'll admit too.
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You admit. Sadly, sadly.
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No, no, no. It's not a bad thing.
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It's a good thing. No, you know why?
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You know why? Because it's it's hard.
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I know it's hard for you to admit and relax.
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I yeah, I don't get it. I'm saying because for me I can
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easily say. Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, I like that person. Yeah, yeah, I get it.
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But now in in this case, now that I have Christ and
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everything, the only butterfly's like, yeah, I guess it's just
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like. They're different.
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Yes, the the person itself, like the the way they are.
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The way they sound. The way they they sound, but the
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way also, like, for example, the reason why I developed this
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crush on this person was because of things God would show me.
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So then I started to develop afterwards some sort of
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butterflies, I guess you could say, for that person, if you
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want to call it that man. Yeah, I know what you're saying,
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you know, and that crush that I have in that person, unless you,
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you, you think otherwise. I do think about that person.
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I think that person is super cute.
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I think that person is like is very different from from a lot
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of other girls, very like unique.
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And then got shown me more on top of that too.
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It was almost like like when I feel butterflies, I think about
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all those things. Interesting.
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It's not anything about body type, nothing.
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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Nothing about sex. Nothing.
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Nothing, nothing. Nothing.
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You know, stuff like that, you know what I mean?
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Yeah, interesting. I mean, well, The thing is that
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when we're young, we start to like girls.
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That's normal for a guy, yes. Or vice versa.
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A girl used like starts to like guys.
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Yeah. At its core foundation, you
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should feel some type of attraction.
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Right. Towards your opposite sex,
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right? And for a guy, let's be
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realistic here, you're going to notice is the body.
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Yeah. Initially, no, no, yeah.
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You're also going to see, oh, she's cute, Yeah.
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But your primal instinct reaction is going to be, you
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know? You want to mate?
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You want to mate, That's your body.
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Yeah, Yeah, I want to know what that is.
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And that's where the knowledge of good and bad comedy, Right,
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Right. So if tainted early, obviously
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you'll develop consequences. Then you'll distort what love is
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and you'll confuse it with lust and love.
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I believe it's something we've spoken about.
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We have yes in. The past podcast we have, yeah.
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So what happens is if you start feeding it, you're going to go a
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very long time thinking you're in love, but you've just been
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lusting this whole time thinking it's love, but it's lust, right?
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Right. And what?
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What would you say like? Like the trickery is there that
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you think? You confuse the feeling that you
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feel in your stomach or if you could say those butterflies, if
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you will, you, you, you think that's love, right?
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You've done it so many times that you think that's love, and
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it's literally lost because inevitably it ends up to the
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expression to each body, right? Right.
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If in fact it was true love, there'd be a sense of, of
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respect and honor to a certain extent, even by logic, right?
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You don't need anyone to tell you it just by logic.
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By logic, yeah. You would know, like, no, no,
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no, we can't do that. I can't, right.
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We at the very least, oh, we should.
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I mean, if this is something that we want to do, we have to
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consider the fact are we for each other for the rest of the
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life, right? Yeah.
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Yeah. But we live in a culture that
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it's OK to explore that it's OK to go on dates with an S, right?
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And so that's what happens. You start to you start to think
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that lust is love. Yeah.
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Love is lost. Yeah, that's exactly true.
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I feel like I've been there quite a bit where I thought
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where I thought I was in love but I was only lusting in the
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end. Yeah, and how do you feel?
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Deceiving. It's hard to explain how you
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feel about it, but but then you realize, yeah, it was only lust.
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It was only. I feel like you have to go
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through it in order to understand.
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It not now that I. Don't know how to explain it
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exactly. Well, you need to understand
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that Scripture, like Paul talks about, like, you know, that the
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there's lustful things of the world.
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Yeah, that's not just referring to sexuality or sexual
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immorality. No, definitely not, man, no.
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It's also referring to riches. Yeah.
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Careers, yeah, all that stuff. Things of the world.
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Things that catch your eye, right?
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Paul says I would, I wish you guys stay single so that you
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guys can to attend to the right business of the Kingdom.
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But if you're inflaming passion, right, he's implying that there
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is this desire that a guy has. So you're saying that desire,
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that desire that the guy has and the girl has?
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Keep in mind he's talking to a couple, right?
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He's not talking to a single man.
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No, no, absolutely. That's so true. 1st Corinthian 7
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I could be budgeting it.
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Because you in my opinion, I think if a guy is like addicted
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to porn. You know, we live in that world
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touching themselves. I know this is a hard
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conversation, but. Even vice versa with the girl.
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I don't think you should get married bro, no.
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No, no, no that it blows my mind they think the solution is to
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get. To get married, yeah.
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No, Absolutely worse, yeah. No, no, if you can't solve that
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problem now with self-control, right, Number one, yeah,
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trusting in God to develop that fruit of self-control, pray to
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God to to rebuke because to a certain extent it's you, you
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want that dopamine effect. You want the euphoric feeling to
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a certain extent, it's all you. But also this system in the
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world has been set up by the enemy to, you know, to distort
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the the the grand design that God has, right.
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So, you know, men and women, when they spend too much time
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watching these things, these these profane videos, Yeah, that
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distorts. It does.
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That automatically distorts. Even if you imagine it in your
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mind, if you don't have to see it, it's distorting what love
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is. You start to objectify women,
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and vice versa. Women start to objectify men.
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They expect men to be like this. Right, right.
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Men expect women to be like this and that's not the case.
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So social media is really it has brought great things.
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Yeah, I've facilitated a lot of things for us, but
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simultaneously it's been dismantling society.
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So now you about all this stuff. So what would be the right way
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to have a crush on someone then about?
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Well, like, well, look, I'll tell you from my own experience
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in high school. No, actually, my first crush was
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in elementary school in for Rockaway.
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I can say her name. She'll never listen to the
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podcast because I don't even know where she is.
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Her name was Christina. OK, She was Salvadoran, but she
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was so cute. And I was a kid, though.
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I I it wasn't where I was in control or not.
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All I knew is she's a girl. I'm a dude.
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I like, I I like this, right. You know what I mean?
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Yeah, that was it. Then I moved to Jersey and then
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in in Morristown. I really didn't like anybody in
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Morristown until I got to participant and then I had a
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crush on someone. I won't say her name because I'm
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still, I'm still friends with her from elementary here.
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Yeah, yeah, right. I had a crush on her.
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But did that crush come natural to you or?
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What do you mean natural? Like it just came, you had no
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control over it. I just said, oh, wow, her skin
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is beautiful, like her tan. Right?
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OK. Is that's literally all.
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I thought, OK, there was moments where I would see other girls.
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I was like, oh, she has a great, you know, body this specifically
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that. But I also knew the difference.
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But I had more of a liking to that person even though they
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barely had anything. Uh huh.
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But. They were just, they just
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treated me nice, so I just liked it more.
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So you you so. At the at least at that I knew.
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The personality and. The versus the.
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Physical. Physical.
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Yeah. No, I wasn't necessarily
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distorted. I get that.
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Yeah. It becomes distorted, obviously,
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when you're introduced to things that you don't want to be
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introduced right at a young age. And I'm sure everybody gets
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introduced. You know, we were introduced to
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magazines. I'm sure everybody knows what
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we're talking about. Like in my time, well, I had a
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good friend that I remember magazine, when he introduced us
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to that, we were just like turning the pages, right?
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Like, you know, right then that's when the distortion
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started to occur. OK.
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Oh yeah. Right.
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So because I would then it's pathetic.
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But you, you were always so excited, ready to want to take a
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peek at the magazine. So that that nervousness of
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excitement, you were already connecting it to the person that
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you liked. And then now you wanted to see
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her, the person you liked. It's all naked.
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Well, it's all I think it's all about human nature.
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I think naturally you just want to do this so, you know, at a
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certain period of time. But damn, it seems like we're
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talking about our first crushes here.
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Well, that was that was that was that but.
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Wait, wait, wait. I'm just telling you how OK it
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distorts because you can go your whole life without being
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distorted. Right.
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No, no, no, I agree. I agree.
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I've. There's people are literally.
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One of one of our closest. Friends, people think, I don't
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know, one is perfect. It's not about being.
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It's not about just. They weren't exposed to it.
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Yeah. No, no, one of our closest
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friends like. She blows my mind.
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She blows my mind on how innocent she is.
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It's crazy, but glory to God. But besides that, like, so
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you're saying that in the beginning, before the magazines,
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like when you had a crush on those girls, it was like
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something natural? At its purest, yeah, it was
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natural form. It was natural, okay, I knew the
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difference, right? I would look at the other girl
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and be like, oh, I like her because of what she has versus I
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like her more because how she smiles, how she treats me right,
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how she sounds, how she helps me with my right, right, whatever.
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OK. That versus the other one,
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right? So that one that you're saying
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is like a pure like crush? I see, so we're talking about
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like I was 11/12. OK.
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Yeah, yeah. Really knew the difference,
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Right. Right.
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So a kid knows the difference. Yeah.
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They just don't know how to describe it.
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But they know the difference. Do you know what I mean?
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So when it gets distorted, that's the problem.
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Yeah, when you distort that, that like when you start to
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distort the differences, right? You now know, you now don't know
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where, right? Because now you're now you are
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more on the selfish side. Yes, absolutely, yeah. 1 is what
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you want to feel, right and so it wasn't until probably like
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junior of high school I so-called thought I had a crush
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but I was just lusting over her crazy.
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Yeah yeah, yeah, right. And that went all the way till
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2012 until, you know, I've spoken about this before in the
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past in the episodes. And that's when God's I told God
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specifically about God. I need to know once again, the
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difference between lust and love.
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Yeah, before I ever. Like somebody else like.
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Somebody to get married? Yeah, I agree.
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I need to know. So this is where then I when I
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met the person in 2012, I met her.
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I took initiative and said I like you.
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So that crush that you had on that person, it was because you,
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you chose to. I choose to because I didn't
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trust myself. It's so weird.
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It's so paradoxical because I'm choosing so that my other
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doesn't choose to distort do. You know what?
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I get what? I get what you're saying.
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You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
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Yeah. So you're basically saying like
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like. I'll choose before my other one
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gets ahead of it, so. OK, OK, I now I understand what
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you're saying. You're saying like I'm going to
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choose to like this girl right now because I'm not thinking
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pervertedly or anything and my nature is not kicking in.
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So I got ahead of my nature because you can't tell God take
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away my lust in as in regards you're literally literally
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telling him to take away the design that's in you.
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That's been in a fallen state. Not because God did that.
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No, it's just the byproduct of our ancestors did.
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Yeah. Yeah, right.
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The knowledge of good and bad. You can't tell God take away
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this loss, right. Or if you don't end up with that
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person, well, then I'm gonna stay single for the rest of my
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life. Come on.
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Give me a break. Yeah.
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Like that desire that you have to want to procreate is there.
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It's it just gets only stronger the older you get.
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Yeah. Right.
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So then crushes can become tricky.
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They can become tricky. If you don't know the
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difference. I totally.
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Agree. So that's when I said I decide
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before my nature takes, Before my nature gets ahead of of me, I
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decide. OK, but would you say this
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though? Would you say this?
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No, that's interesting dude. Everything you're saying is
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really interesting. Would you say this though, like
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like you know how like I, I've used this example in the past,
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but you know how the people slap concrete but then the roots grow
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underneath the concrete? OK, so before we get there,
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because you mentioned that before we started recording.
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OK, OK, OK. And I was laughing because I was
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like interesting while that was happening, right?
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I then decided to like someone else simultaneously.
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OK, but I decided, and once again, I know it sounds like I'm
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trying to like a cop out, like, oh, yeah.
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Well, you're just trying to say that you you you kind of didn't
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go with your will, right? I was going against my will.
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Yeah, I'm not using that as a cop out, right.
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I know Diego was like, Nah, he doesn't believe it.
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Why are you smiling? I.
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Don't know. I think, I think I like, I like
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to share a little something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I'll forget. I won't forget.
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But I feel like maybe if you guys beg to differ but I feel
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like a crush is a totally different experience for each
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person though. That is true.
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I, I'm not going to feel like you.
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I'm not, I'm not saying you're comparing, but I feel like it's
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almost like when one person says they have a crush and another or
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if I say have a crush, you know, everybody's experience is
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different in some form, but. I then can ask you then, OK,
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well, if you said you like those two persons, why did you feel
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like you caught you caught yourself actually lusting them
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and not it wasn't love or yeah, because if what you're saying
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then you should be able. To Oh, you're saying you should
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be able to distinguish between? Yeah, because.
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If what you're saying people just experience it differently,
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then how did you know that what you thought you did have four of
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those, whoever they were, but it turned out to be that it was
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lust, not love? Right.
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Right. So what were, what were you
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experiencing? Was that you saying that
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everybody experienced it or they just don't know the difference?
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Or I think maybe it's just more so they don't know.
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So I I, I believe that people experience what they don't know,
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not knowing the difference. Maybe that's what it is that.
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Experience will be different for everybody not knowing the
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difference. You you're talking about someone
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before Christ. And even when you come to
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Christ, you have to unlearn. Unlearn so.
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Many things right, right, right. Like what did I say when I came
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in 2012? So God, you gotta.
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I need your. Help.
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Yeah, I got to distinguish between the two.
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I need your help, right? Right.
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Because mind you, Internet was blowing up now at.
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That yeah, yeah, the. Access to Yeah, pornography was
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out of control. Yeah, now it's just completely
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out of control. Well.
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Now it's just everywhere. So mind you, I was asking God
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for that. So the first two people, when I
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am asking God for this process, I'm taking initiative to like
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them. I already saw them attractive
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because at its base form, you do feel attraction where there's no
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lust, there's no love, there's nothing.
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It's just I'm attractive. Yeah, right.
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But either you get ahead of your nature or your nature's going to
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kick in before your logic brain, right, right.
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That's tough. But at that point, you know, God
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has given me the strength to develop the the fruit of the
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spirit of the self-control. Although there was a process of
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of learning other things that we were going to talk about.
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No, no, yeah. But then so happened.
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Here's another crush though. So.
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So there's a crush where you can now distort it and confuse it.
22:26
Then there is a crush. That one you'll learn and you
22:29
trust in God. You take initiative right before
22:33
your nature takes over. Then there's that crush where
22:36
you're curious when you know someone else likes you and you
22:41
don't like them back. But the curiosity of them liking
22:44
you initiates a crush because to your to your advantage.
22:51
Dude, yeah, I'm sorry, bro, you're blowing my mind because.
22:55
See, that's another one, right? Has happened to me too.
22:57
Totally relatable and it's all because of us and all guys do
23:00
this when they find out, oh, that girl likes you, you're like
23:02
word. Word.
23:03
Yeah, yeah. It's already in your pocket if
23:05
you know that. Vice versa, if the girl knows
23:08
that guy likes you, it's over. It's over, Yeah.
23:12
The leverage that you have, because what happens when that
23:15
person likes that person and they don't know how to
23:17
differentiate, They don't have discipline or character.
23:19
They're blind. I agree.
23:20
They're blind. I agree absolutely.
23:22
Straight up blind. Yes, yeah, no, that's that's a
23:25
good point you made, bro. I've I've experienced that.
23:27
I'm not gonna lie. You may not have been able to
23:29
describe it. Yeah, but this is happening.
23:32
Yes. Yeah.
23:33
And I've witnessed that. Right.
23:34
Right. What happens when that comes?
23:37
That's a temptation. That's a test.
23:39
You could fail it. You could pass it, right?
23:42
But then when you find yourself like what you said, when the
23:48
weed just penetrates the concrete, which is it happens
23:54
unexpectedly, unknowingly, out of nowhere, right?
23:58
Completely out of my control. I couldn't even think about it
24:01
logically when the nature didn't even take over.
24:04
It just happened. It just happens like that, yes.
24:07
That pisses me off. Yeah, I know why it pisses you
24:11
off. Because I have.
24:13
You have no control of that. One you have no.
24:15
Control. Oh, I'm not saying that it's,
24:16
it's it's toxic. No, no, no.
24:18
It's just why is this happening? Yeah, it's more like in your
24:20
mind, it's like, it's like, wait, wait, wait, wait.
24:22
Why do I feel this? Exactly, and that was my first
24:26
time legitimately. Feeling that.
24:29
Feeling that. Yes, yeah.
24:30
So, yeah. So that's what kind of happened
24:36
to me, man. I'll be honest, I never felt
24:40
anything really. Yeah.
24:43
And then once God gave me these, you know, dreams and signs, a
24:48
lot of things, then the crush started developing naturally.
24:52
The thing is that you, when this happens, you have to be honest
24:54
with yourself. Yeah, whoever's listening, like
24:56
you have to be honest with yourself.
24:58
Like it's, it's going to sound a little embarrassing even if you
25:00
talk to yourself about it. Like it, for me, it feels
25:02
embarrassing, but what am I going to do?
25:05
Like this is, you know, like. So you, you and me, you have a
25:07
crush. What?
25:11
We'll get to that. But I want to know, dear, like
25:13
you said that you thought you had feelings for these people,
25:17
but then it turns out that you've been in in lustful in a
25:22
lustful. Position it ends up being that
25:24
way because you end up finding out.
25:27
Sometimes you end up finding out the hard way because you know,
25:31
there's, I think it, I think when it comes to lust, when
25:35
you're lusting on somebody, I feel like that either goes, it
25:38
definitely leads to a bad direction, but it can lead to a
25:40
bad direction. And it could be two ways or it
25:44
could be several ways, depending on what the, what the scenario
25:49
is or if that person even knows that you have feelings for them.
25:53
And if they know you have feelings for them, then no, that
25:58
that changes everything. Right, right.
26:03
I will speak about about when it comes to the lost at least an
26:08
experience I had. I, I, I, I noticed this till now
26:15
and maybe, maybe I wish I would have noticed before, but I will
26:21
say when you are lusting for someone, you don't even realize
26:26
it, but it actually blinds you. And then you subconsciously, in
26:32
a way, subconsciously you start to become greedy.
26:37
Greedy in the sense that, well, it could be greedy in many in
26:42
multiple ways, I'll say, but you don't even realize it 'cause
26:48
you're blinded by the lust. Exactly.
26:50
And that's and it's actually, yeah.
26:53
That this is the bad, the bad lust.
26:55
Right, right, right. So.
27:00
So then there are things in the ground that grow with thorns and
27:04
thiszles. All right, Is it?
27:06
This is where I wanted to hear this because you were, I don't
27:08
know what you were talking about.
27:10
No, no no. Correct me if I'm wrong bro,
27:12
correct me. Challenge.
27:14
No, no, please challenge me. Please.
27:18
So there are things on the ground that grow with thorns and
27:21
thiszles, right? Like roses, for instance.
27:24
What's up? Like roses?
27:25
Roses. Yeah, yeah, there are things and
27:27
there are things in Scripture that God speaks like, you know,
27:29
like all this. You know, if for example,
27:32
Hebrews, it says that, you know, leave the elementary teachings
27:36
of Christ, and then it talks about like, like, you know, be
27:40
careful all these things, stay strong.
27:42
And says there's a part there too that talks about like those
27:46
that grow with thorns and thistles, you know, like it's
27:49
not pleasing to God or God will cut that, cut that off, right.
27:53
So I was going to say, could something grow pure like a crush
27:58
and then eventually develop thorns and thiszles?
28:01
Now if it does develop thorns and thiszles, but that person is
28:08
meant for you or whatever, can God chop that down and then let
28:13
it grow back again? That's a very good question.
28:16
Well, The thing is that when you cut these thorn branches around
28:20
the rows, they're cut so it doesn't choke the flower, right.
28:24
OK. Because the flowers that want is
28:26
the thing blooming. Yeah.
28:27
So they cut these thorns around it so it doesn't choke.
28:30
So the thorn branches doesn't choke it so that it keeps keeps
28:35
growing, right. But let's take the the seed that
28:40
fell into several soils. One was thrown and it grew and
28:43
it it was choked by. Yeah, because of the things of
28:47
the world and stuff like that. OK, OK.
28:49
Yeah. What happened there?
28:51
Like the lust? It just choked.
28:52
It just choked. Yeah.
28:53
And. When you choke, it dies out and
28:56
dies out. Oh, so basically what you're
28:57
saying eventually it'll just die out?
28:59
Yeah, because This is why I was thinking.
29:02
I was like, wait a minute, if you're if you're telling me that
29:06
God has to cut off the thorn and thistles, you're telling me that
29:10
he also had to place it there and cut it off, meaning that's a
29:15
mistake. Oh, I see, I see.
29:17
But if thorn and thistles are a byproduct of this cursed world,
29:20
based on what? By based on what God said to to
29:23
Adam, you will now till the earth and it will produce for
29:25
you thorns and thistles. Yeah, right.
29:28
That that it's a byproduct automatically.
29:31
So if you start to think, let's say you have a crush on someone
29:36
and in it's initial state, initial state, it's healthy,
29:39
healthy, then you start to contaminate it even before
29:42
getting married. Remember, lust in this body,
29:46
it's natural, right? Right.
29:48
You need to have self-control over it.
29:50
God, it's not going to take it away from you.
29:51
No, no, no, no. I agree.
29:53
All right. And there is a when he says
29:55
resist and fight, it doesn't mean to run away from that.
29:58
Oh yeah, right. Right.
29:59
Some people. Say you should.
30:01
Oh, sorry, some people say you should run away.
30:03
From it doesn't say that right. It just wouldn't make sense
30:06
because it's going to come back again.
30:08
It's. Going to come back.
30:09
It's the confronting is what means resist.
30:11
If it's to resist, that means there's a resistance, that means
30:13
there's a friction, A friction that means you're confronting
30:15
it, right? That's besides the point.
30:18
You self-control. But if you start to taint it,
30:21
the thorn and thistles now are a byproduct of of what you just
30:25
tainted yourself thinking those bad things with her.
30:29
It's cursed. So then after that it chokes and
30:32
dies out. You're done.
30:34
That's why I'm saying it's, it's, it can't.
30:37
And a lot of marriages, they try to solve it by getting married
30:40
because that's the solution. And and mind you, God is
30:43
merciful. God is not going to be like, oh,
30:45
God, God is merciful. And and there will be
30:47
consequences to that. Yeah.
30:49
But if you develop the self-control and you have a
30:52
crush on that person, stay firm. Stay firm, Stay firm, yes.
30:56
You can think about lustful things about them in in other
30:58
areas like oh, how would it look like?
31:01
Like their hair is my. Wife.
31:03
How would it look like to have a family with them blah blah blah
31:05
blah. Yeah, because I.
31:06
Because those are also lustful things of the.
31:08
World they they are but you know, like for example, there
31:11
are things in scripture where I think in first John it says like
31:15
there there is sin that leads you to death but you know
31:17
there's this sin that that does not lead you to death.
31:21
Forgot how we mentioned ported it yeah yeah yeah.
31:23
But like what I'm trying to say is basically like like lustful
31:26
things in like if I started thinking about like, oh, what if
31:29
I had a family with this girl? What if you know I I?
31:33
Is is that more contaminant than the other way of lusting?
31:35
Oh, no, no. No, definitely not it it.
31:38
Does distract you? It can, yes.
31:41
That's don't. Get me wrong.
31:41
It distracts you. That's where you need to because
31:43
that could lead you then inevitably to lust on that
31:47
person. Right.
31:48
Right. The wrong way.
31:49
Yeah. Because you're going to run out
31:52
of a lot of ideas. Yeah, yeah.
31:53
And imagination that inevitably, right.
31:56
You're well, you're, you're going to do this to the cup.
32:00
Oh yeah, absolutely. So there's also should be a
32:03
sense of some restraint with that as well, not fantasizing.
32:07
Yes, 'cause I will say this, that part I'm actually working
32:12
on, not fantasizing. Yeah, yeah.
32:14
Because it does say in Scripture, it does say clear as
32:16
day that like those that live in delusion, they eventually they
32:20
will reap corruption eventually. Inevitably, yeah, That fantasy,
32:24
which is harmless at first, yeah, will inevitably reap
32:28
corruption because you're going to run out of fantasies and
32:31
imagination at some point. Yeah, it's true.
32:34
It's true. The next specs thing would be
32:37
like, well, how does it look like if we were in the bed, if
32:42
you will? So you see what I mean?
32:44
That's just an example. I know I was a little vivid but
32:47
I'm just saying to a certain extent lossful things, delusion,
32:52
fantasies can at some point and will lead inevitably has to if
32:58
you don't have the self-control. Now there's a caveat to this
33:00
though. You have a crush on this person.
33:05
Let's say you do talk and it does lead to marriage and all
33:09
that. That doesn't mean lust has
33:12
disappeared. I.
33:14
Think I think it will never disappear.
33:16
No, it's an element. It's an element, Paul says.
33:19
If you and your wife are going to look, oh, and fast and fast,
33:23
he would recommend you stay, abstain from each other.
33:27
Why does they need to abstain? Are they not married?
33:30
Right, right, right. Are they not married?
33:32
Why should they abstain from something sacred are they going
33:34
to do? Because there's that impulse
33:37
that that savageness of a man, and you know what I mean?
33:42
Yeah. So it doesn't disappear.
33:44
All right, it's there's a renewing that happens inside of
33:48
us every day, as you remember we were reading yesterday.
33:51
That is true. That is true.
33:52
There's a renewing every day. Every day it's not.
33:53
Like it disappears. Yeah, yes.
33:58
Just saying now you say that it can be, can be salvage.
34:03
Oh, like it can be cut off and then No, no, no, that's why I
34:07
asked. But.
34:08
But I want to know your theory, how could it possibly come back?
34:13
You know, maybe hold on, OK, This is the reason why I've
34:20
heard of like pastors like it blows my mind, though.
34:24
That's why I say I, I, I don't agree with if you're, if you're,
34:28
if you're addicted to like pornography and all that stuff,
34:31
you shouldn't get married, bro. You shouldn't, in my opinion.
34:33
They think. OK, so.
34:34
But but there's there's some pastors that are there that are
34:37
known, that are actually known in like, you know, social media
34:40
that you know, they're married to their wives, but they were
34:43
still addicted to porn even before.
34:45
Like I said, that doesn't solve the problem.
34:47
Right, right. That doesn't solve that flaming
34:50
passion that you have. Yeah.
34:51
Oh, that means I need to get married.
34:52
First of all, I was talking to a couple.
34:54
Yeah. And if you read it carefully,
34:55
he's talking about get married before.
34:58
You guys fall into that? Before the fire consumes you.
35:01
Yes. That means initially you are in
35:04
flaming passion. You.
35:07
Your passion is the flame. Get married before that consumes
35:11
you. If you let that consume you
35:13
prior to marriage, then you're going to be finding yourself
35:16
cutting the thorns constantly so that the Rose doesn't choke.
35:19
So there are consequences. So what I'm saying I.
35:21
See but when it comes. Thorns and thistles are
35:24
inevitable. Now, now.
35:26
So OK, so then then if the thing if the if the thing that's
35:31
growing. Let it die.
35:33
Let it die, right? And God will present another
35:35
one. I'm sorry, but that's that's it.
35:38
We don't, we are afraid of that because I'm getting older.
35:42
We are afraid of that. I don't want to be alone.
35:44
We're afraid of it because I'm burning in this lust.
35:47
Ask God for self-control and accept the reality that it died
35:52
either if it was her fault or vice versa.
35:54
Your fault, right? You're cooked.
35:56
Right. Wow.
35:58
Do so then. That's, I mean, how I see.
36:01
That's how I see it scripturally, yeah.
36:03
It makes a lot of Christian couples.
36:05
They go through with it. They, they and then they go to
36:08
counselling and then after, that's just cutting thorns.
36:10
Along the way. Along the way all the time.
36:12
Thorns and thistles are inevitable, yes.
36:15
Let it choke and let it die. Let it die.
36:17
So that when you find the one, it can flourish.
36:20
You don't need to be cutting those thorns and thistles all
36:22
the time. Dude that is so beautiful.
36:24
I'm just saying. I'm sorry bro, that is so
36:26
beautiful. Like I, I understand what you're
36:27
saying and and I, I'm literally thinking, thinking about it so
36:31
deeply in my mind right now. So if it chokes with thorns and
36:36
thistles, let it die. God will make something else
36:39
grow. Whoa, that's what I OK, I
36:43
understand it now. Let it die and.
36:46
Then God will just plan another one.
36:48
And remember, we cannot cut the thorns and thistles simply
36:51
because you made a mistake for the other person who made a
36:53
mistake. He stipulated a law.
36:57
The law is you will tilt the earth and it will produce thorns
37:01
and thistles. That's it.
37:04
He cannot go back on that, right?
37:05
Right. Him going back on that is
37:07
facilitating your how would you would say your your desires?
37:16
OK, let's have redo. Right, right.
37:19
When God makes no mistake where it says in Scripture that
37:22
whatever he says it's going to, it's going to be.
37:24
If it will die, something new will come.
37:25
Yes, absolutely. That is the design thus far that
37:30
we live in. Wow bro, at least wow.
37:32
So then. Do what we know.
37:34
So then wow, so then the girl that I like did not I know what
37:38
to pray for more now I pray that you know like that God, I pray
37:44
that maybe if. If anybody has a crush, right,
37:47
right. And it's healthy, enjoy it, I
37:50
would say right, yeah, yeah. Pray that you have self-control,
37:53
that it doesn't lead to something corrupt and not
37:55
obsessive or anything because crushing on someone is.
37:57
It's OK. It's OK, it's.
37:59
A bad thing? Yeah.
38:00
It's a good thing, yeah. But I'm sorry, I didn't mean to.
38:04
No. No, no, you're good.
38:05
You're good. So basically like I will pray to
38:07
God, to the one that I like that.
38:11
I hope that she doesn't like me at first.
38:14
I really do hope that she does not like me at first.
38:17
I hope she likes me because she sees that I love God and then
38:22
that. May or may not happen, I know
38:24
that's OK. I know, I know, I know.
38:25
She could initially like you, yeah.
38:27
And then she can. Eventually.
38:30
Yeah, God can do everything. He can do as long.
38:33
As her feelings for you do not become corrupt.
38:35
Yes, I agree. So that's to remember women are
38:39
emotionally intelligent, right? If you by any means give them
38:45
that you are obsessed for her, you could lead them also to to
38:49
corruption. That is true.
38:51
That is true. Oh, I heard a pastor say this.
38:54
Paul washer. You know Paul Washer?
38:56
Yeah, Paul Washer is the man. He says when God gives you a
39:01
girl, it's like God is saying bring her home, bring her home.
39:05
And bring her home. Like the way he says, like when
39:07
God gives you the girl that you are to marry, uh huh.
39:10
It's like God is saying to you, bring her home.
39:15
What do you mean like? Like like make sure you bring
39:17
her home. That's your duty.
39:21
Do a man's duty. Really.
39:22
Yeah, that's what he it's like. That's like what God would be
39:25
saying to you. Bring her home.
39:27
Yeah. And what does that look like?
39:28
Sorry. Sound and safe you are.
39:30
Supposed to bring her home, so guiding her.
39:33
Leading her, she is a daughter right in which God is entrusting
39:36
into your hands. Right, because you're the
39:38
leader, right? You're the one leading.
39:39
Listen to that very carefully. Uh huh.
39:41
God's daughter is not being given to you.
39:43
You better bring her home at the end of the day.
39:45
So wow, So so let. Me put it.
39:47
Let me put it this way. So see, for instance, this girl
39:51
you did like right or not? Did you do like OK?
39:54
Oh, Brian. Yeah, Brian, Brian's in there.
39:57
So say for instance, say for instance, one day her I don't
40:04
know, say for instance, her car battery dies right in your
40:08
present. You know you're not just going
40:12
to leave her alone there, right? You know you're going to you're
40:15
going to help her find a solution and and stick with her
40:19
till. She can move her car and go
40:22
home. That, that is an example.
40:26
That's an example. But what he means is this.
40:29
I'll give you an example. I'll give you an example.
40:34
This is my daughter Ryan. I expect you to bring her back
40:40
home. Damn there.
40:43
So basically like in the lifespan?
40:45
That you are with her. Uh huh.
40:48
The duties of a man all the way to the end, make sure you bring
40:52
her home because I gave her if she doesn't turn into my hands.
40:58
Then he failed, Yeah. Oh.
41:01
That's what I'm trying to say. Yeah, dude, that's, that's
41:06
crazy. No, but Amen.
41:09
Right. Amen.
41:10
Amen. So that's what he said.
41:12
So. So yeah.
41:14
I mean, yeah, having a crush is OK.
41:21
Yeah, it's having a crush is OK, but if it produces thorns and
41:24
thistles, let it die out. It will die out.
41:26
It will die out. I will.
41:27
Well, we'll kill it. Yes.
41:31
Well, that was awesome. I, I I'm not even.
41:34
Joking thoughts do. I learned something new in real
41:36
time. It's awesome.
41:38
Yeah, definitely learned that crushes are OK as long as you
41:41
don't let it. You don't let it corrupt or let
41:44
you know let anything corrupt it.
41:47
Don't let it consume you. Yeah, confront it, but don't let
41:49
it consume you. But I feel like I feel like
41:52
we've all been in A at a point in time where our crush consumed
41:55
us. Yeah, that's happened, I feel.
41:58
Like everybody has been there at least once.
42:00
Yeah, I have. I have absolutely there.
42:02
Several times. And women too.
42:04
They usually never ends. They usually never ends well.
42:08
But hopefully now it's different, right?
42:10
Oh yeah, yeah. My perspective now is so much
42:12
more different. Thank you.
42:13
God. Yeah, Yeah.
42:14
But I yeah, I think that's that's all we got for today.
42:18
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42:48
Thank you, Father, for this opportunity to to speak about
42:52
something that perhaps or others is uncomfortable, but it's
42:54
important to address and understand the differences
42:57
between love and lust and one can feel towards another.
43:01
May you always be in control. As much as we would want to be
43:05
in control, at the end of the day, you're the one who called
43:08
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43:11
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