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Elon Musk Interviewed by JP Morgan's Jamie Dimon!!! · Elon Musk Thinking

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  Speaker 1: Latest interview of Elon Musk.
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  Speaker 2: Elon, Welcome to JP Morgan's headquarters. You're on the fifty
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  Speaker 2: first floor, which is about the equivalent of the nowhere
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  Speaker 2: near where you go generally in space, but as high
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  Speaker 2: as we can get in New York City. But before
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  Speaker 2: we get started with you and Jamie, we had a
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  Speaker 2: very special guest that wanted to welcome you here this afternoon,
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  Speaker 2: and so your mother, May Musk, is here to welcome you.
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  Speaker 2: May please stand up.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think you can see me or everybody here.
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  Speaker 2: They can see you, yes, he can.
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  Speaker 3: This is your part.
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  Speaker 1: I actually can't see my mom, but I can hear
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  Speaker 1: her certainly.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, how you are.
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  Speaker 3: What I'd like to say is when you were three
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  Speaker 3: years old and I told people I have a genius son,
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  Speaker 3: they would roll their eyes.
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  Speaker 4: And then.
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  Speaker 3: I'm you, And then we said you wanted to start
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  Speaker 3: with rockets.
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  Speaker 4: Then I rolled my eyes.
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  Speaker 3: And then you did it. And so this is just
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  Speaker 3: a great party here and we're celebrating you.
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  Speaker 4: Love you so much.
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  Speaker 2: One please.
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  Speaker 5: So let me Elon welcome you. It's a really privileged
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  Speaker 5: to have you here on this momentous occasion. It is
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  Speaker 5: new for us, but it's an important thing the trajectory
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  Speaker 5: of American innovation. We're here live thirty five hundred people
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  Speaker 5: of our top individual investors around the world in one
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  Speaker 5: hundred branches.
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  Speaker 6: There are three hundred and fifty people here.
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  Speaker 5: Three thousand, five hundred around the country. This is a
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  Speaker 5: very unique thing, by the way, because Elon has spoken
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  Speaker 5: to me about democratizing finance. This is part of it.
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  Speaker 5: Treating individual investors the same way institutions are treated, and
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  Speaker 5: hedge funds and all those things. My view is it's
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  Speaker 5: a wonderful thing to do. Elon very brave, by the way,
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  Speaker 5: because I would never let my mother.
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  Speaker 6: Speak publicly when I was in there group. God knows
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  Speaker 6: what she would have said.
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  Speaker 5: Actually, Elon is the Edison of our time. I remember
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  Speaker 5: visiting Elon in Tesla like fifteen years ago, a whole
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  Speaker 5: new way of building cars, vertical integration, which had not
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  Speaker 5: been anything remote what our car comers are doing.
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  Speaker 6: Now. You have SpaceX.
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  Speaker 5: I visited the SpaceX factory in California, and it's exceptional
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  Speaker 5: to have more than six hundred and fifty rockets. And
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  Speaker 5: you told me one today putting in the sales in
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  Speaker 5: space you have nine thousand or almost ten thousand Starlight
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  Speaker 5: Darlink sales up there. Starlink three is coming, which the
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  Speaker 5: whole new generation was hopefully will place some of these
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  Speaker 5: undersea cables. It's been an extraordinary twenty four years with
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  Speaker 5: watching Elon grow over time and now making a massive
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  Speaker 5: leap into the future. So welcome and coming here, Elon.
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  Speaker 5: I have ten questions for you, so I want to
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  Speaker 5: make sure I get to each one. Someone came from
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  Speaker 5: folks here. They're all important, but one just to start
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  Speaker 5: is why SpaceX public now? Because you had choices, you
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  Speaker 5: didn't have to why now.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been asked for many years about taking.
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  Speaker 1: Space public, so it's probably been almost ten years that
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  Speaker 1: people have been suggesting to me that I should take
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  Speaker 1: SpaceX public. We've been positive cash flow for quite a
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  Speaker 1: long time, I think since around twenty fourteen twenty fifteen,
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  Speaker 1: and we've been self funding in fact in our private
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  Speaker 1: equity rounds, so they actually have not been fundraising rounds.
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  Speaker 1: They've been liquidity rounds for investors and employees because we
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  Speaker 1: give everyone at the company's stock, and SpaceX has actually bought.
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  Speaker 4: Backstock in most of our sort of funding events.
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  Speaker 1: So what's different about now is that it's a number
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  Speaker 1: of things, but we are embarking on a significant growth phase,
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  Speaker 1: like a capital growth phase, where we're we are going
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  Speaker 1: to put in orbit probably one hundred thousand satellites, probably
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  Speaker 1: over one hundred thousand satellites just for communications, and these
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  Speaker 1: will be the Version three and beyond versus Version two
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  Speaker 1: and Version.
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  Speaker 4: One that are currently in.
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  Speaker 1: Version three is depending on how you count it, ten
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  Speaker 1: to twenty times more capable than the Version two satellite.
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  Speaker 1: And there were three chips that the SpaceX chip design
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  Speaker 1: team taped out that are specific to this that are
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  Speaker 1: far beyond state of the art, which means it's one
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  Speaker 1: hundred times more bandwidth than the SpaceX stalling system currently offers,
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  Speaker 1: and also half the latency because the altitude will be
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  Speaker 1: about half altitude. I think it will actually be the
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  Speaker 1: highest bandwidth, the lowest latency means of communicating, and the
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  Speaker 1: future with AI and robots is actually going to require
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  Speaker 1: a lot more bandwidth than we currently use. Because you
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  Speaker 1: can imagine what's the bandwidth of a human. It's peak
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  Speaker 1: band with a human is a few hundred bits per second.
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  Speaker 1: Bandwidth of a computer it can be a trillion fits
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  Speaker 1: a second. So the appetite for bandwidth of AI, AI
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  Speaker 1: and robots is going to be enormous. And then we're
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  Speaker 1: also doing the AI data centers in space, which is
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  Speaker 1: another massive capital endeavor, but I think it would be
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  Speaker 1: the primary means by which AI can be expanded. It's
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  Speaker 1: increasingly difficult to build power plants on the ground that
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  Speaker 1: there are very few people who want a power plant
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  Speaker 1: in their backyard. So if we want to say, double
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  Speaker 1: the electricity usage of the United States, which is on
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  Speaker 1: average about five hundred gigawates, we would have to build
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  Speaker 1: about twice as many power plants, which I don't think
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  Speaker 1: people are most communities are not super excited about that.
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  Speaker 1: But actually, if we go to space, we can go
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  Speaker 1: far beyond the electricity generation of Earth. In fact, this
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  Speaker 1: is going to sound crazy, but you could actually increase
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  Speaker 1: harnessed energy by a factor of a million and still
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  Speaker 1: be using much less than a millionth of the Sun's energy.
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  Speaker 1: So current human civilization uses much less than a trillionth
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  Speaker 1: of the Sun's energy output.
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  Speaker 4: It's just humbling to think about.
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  Speaker 1: We're really a tiny when you see the true size
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  Speaker 1: of Earth relatives to the Sun, We're a tiny dust
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  Speaker 1: mode in a vast darkness, and the Sun is enormous.
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  Speaker 1: That the Sun is ninety nine point eight percent of
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  Speaker 1: old mass the Solar system, and most of the remaining
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  Speaker 1: zero point two percent is Jupiter. Sometimes people ask me,
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  Speaker 1: maybe going a little wide ranging in the sensor, But
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  Speaker 1: because you just asked me, why you're hearing aboulic now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like talking about the Sun's out power output.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a bit of a long winded answer. If I
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  Speaker 4: was an AI, you might tell me, you know, okay,
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  Speaker 4: But also it is important.
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  Speaker 1: Some of these things are I'm important because fuel stares
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  Speaker 1: wondering what's the future of energy generation?
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  Speaker 4: And I can say that it.
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  Speaker 1: Is absolutely solo power, or maybe the better word for
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  Speaker 1: solar power is star power.
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  Speaker 4: It's the power of a star.
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  Speaker 1: And the crazy thing is that burnt all mass in
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  Speaker 1: the Solar system that was not the Sun, the amount
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  Speaker 1: of energy produced by the Sun would still round up
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  Speaker 1: to one hundred percent, because the Sun is ninety.
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  Speaker 4: Nine point eight percent with the mass of the Solar system.
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  Speaker 1: Even if you teleported two more jupiters from another somehow
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  Speaker 1: teleport too more jupiters from another solar system and burnt
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  Speaker 1: them too, the Sun would round up two hundred percent.
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  Speaker 1: It's so it's very much the sun, and you can
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  Speaker 1: you can scale to a million times both economy and
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  Speaker 1: space in terms of harness power, which is a good
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  Speaker 1: proxy economic output, and still be much less than a
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  Speaker 1: month of the Sun's energy, which is humbly really to
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  Speaker 1: think about how tiny we are and this is just
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  Speaker 1: one star among men.
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  Speaker 4: So I guess it's just the tale. It would be.
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  Speaker 1: We're embarking on a massive new growth phase and we
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  Speaker 1: need capital for that.
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  Speaker 6: It's okay, okay. Number two.
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  Speaker 1: And another thing is that the revenue, like I also
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  Speaker 1: feel pretty good about like the revenue projections. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: like like before, like liber revenue is a little unstable,
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  Speaker 1: but now I feel like the revenue is like much
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  Speaker 1: more predictable.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I learned. I always learned listening to you, I
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  Speaker 5: guarantee certainly. I mean you people hear about multiplanetary species,
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  Speaker 5: travels of space and one of the most exciting ideas
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  Speaker 5: in human history. Can you explain the bridge that you
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  Speaker 5: were you speak about. I heard you talk about from
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  Speaker 5: the Earth Earth to the Moon to Mars.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you don't necessarily have to go through the
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  Speaker 1: Moon to get to Mars. I just think that we
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  Speaker 1: can build a self growing city on the Moon faster
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  Speaker 1: than we could do so on Mars. And there's also
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  Speaker 1: the potential if you say you want to scale far
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  Speaker 1: beyond what you can do from Earth, is that because
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  Speaker 1: the Moon has no atmosphere and about one sixth Earth's gravity,
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  Speaker 1: you can use an electromagnetic accelerator, a railgun or mass driver.
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  Speaker 1: Basically you don't need to use rockets to do AI
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  Speaker 1: data centers into deep space from the Moon. You can
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  Speaker 1: literally just shoot them like a railgun type of thing.
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  Speaker 1: And you can manufacture the solar and the radiators soul
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  Speaker 1: powered radiators on the Moon from Moon materials. That would
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  Speaker 1: allow scaling potentially to beyond one thousand terrawats a year,
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  Speaker 1: which is a truly staggering number.
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  Speaker 4: Like I think we can do a thousand.
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  Speaker 1: I think we can do probably somewhere around one terrawat
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  Speaker 1: per year of AI space compute from Earth, but we
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  Speaker 1: can do a thousand terroorids or more from the Moon.
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  Speaker 1: And like I said, we can also make a moon base.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it would be pretty pretty cool if
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  Speaker 1: you could vacation on the Moon. That would be the
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  Speaker 1: most epic vacation. Not everybody wants to go to the Moon,
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  Speaker 1: but I think a lot of people do. I think
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  Speaker 1: we're pretty pretty amazing that obviously, provided you could do
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  Speaker 1: so safely and come back safely and everything. But I
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  Speaker 1: think I think that will be possible in the future.
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  Speaker 1: And then Mars is another step beyond that. That's Mars
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  Speaker 1: is a whole planet and with gravity much closer to
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  Speaker 1: that of Earth's, and it has an atmosphere. I'll beat
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  Speaker 1: with an atmosphere, and if you warm up Mars, you
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  Speaker 1: could one day make Mars like Earth, meaning with liquid
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  Speaker 1: oceans and life and where you could walk outside without
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  Speaker 1: a spacesuit type of thing. So Mars is I call
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  Speaker 1: Mars a fixer upper of the planet, but it's got
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  Speaker 1: a lot of potential.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, and we go to number three, but I
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  Speaker 5: never ever thought you'd be in the hospitality business.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, we should have Moon hotels anything, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Musk hotels like it could be.
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  Speaker 4: Actually, you think of us more like we're kind of
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  Speaker 4: like the Union Pacific.
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  Speaker 1: When they built the Union Pacific back in the day,
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  Speaker 1: people thought they were crazy because like, why are you
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  Speaker 1: trying to carry this all this cargo and people to California.
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  Speaker 1: No one's there, but now California is the biggest state
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  Speaker 1: in the country.
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  Speaker 5: Not for long, but yeah, yeah, no, evitedly it's self defeating. Yes,
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  Speaker 5: so Starship, you're built in unbelievable ship. I think it's
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  Speaker 5: already had twelve flights I read. But obviously technical technically,
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  Speaker 5: it's just hard to do. What was some of the
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  Speaker 5: breaks things you have that people should know about they
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  Speaker 5: don't know about.
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  Speaker 1: Our webcasts are very good, so I recommend anyone who
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  Speaker 1: wants if they want to learn about smarts Starship SpaceX
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  Speaker 1: website or any of the Starship life.
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  Speaker 4: Casts are a great way to learn about it.
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  Speaker 1: But the really the fundamental breakthrough of Starship is that
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  Speaker 1: it will be the first val rocket that is fully reusable.
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  Speaker 1: So this might sound like an obvious thing, but because
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  Speaker 1: in every other mode of transport, whether that's aircraft, cars, bicycles, horses,
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  Speaker 1: you name it, ships, these are all we take it
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  Speaker 1: for granted that they are reusable. An aircraft journey would
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  Speaker 1: be very expensive if you had to throw the plane
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  Speaker 1: away every time, and that's how rockets have.
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  Speaker 4: Been in the past.
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  Speaker 1: But it's very difficult from a technology standpoint to achieve
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  Speaker 1: full reusability for a rocket. We've got part of the
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  Speaker 1: way there with Falcon nine, but we'll get all the
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  Speaker 1: way there with Starship, and once you're chief full reusability,
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  Speaker 1: then it's simply a cost.
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  Speaker 4: It's simply the cost of access.
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  Speaker 1: To orbit is just the cost of propellant, because now
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  Speaker 1: you can reuse all aspects of the vehicle, and the
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  Speaker 1: propellant we used for Starship is liquid oxygen and liquid
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  Speaker 1: liquid methane, which is the chiefest propellant you could possibly get.
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  Speaker 1: We can just literally get oxygen from the air and
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  Speaker 1: methane from natural gas. So the cost of propellant for
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  Speaker 1: Starship will be less than the cost of jet aviation fuel,
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  Speaker 1: which means that you should be able to actually send
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  Speaker 1: cogo to space for less than the cost of cargo
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  Speaker 1: on an airplane going on a transoceanic trip.
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  Speaker 5: Starlink another thing that has been amazing Global Communications already
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  Speaker 5: mentioned Ukraine. You had mentioned to me that V three
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  Speaker 5: would maybe be able to replace something cyber cables, which,
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  Speaker 5: by the way, it is a huge security rich for
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  Speaker 5: all of us because some have already been cut in
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  Speaker 5: the Baltic Sea. So which the next view for starlink
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  Speaker 5: both V three and maybe V four.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So the V three satellite is ag and you can
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  Speaker 1: look it up on the internet. As I said, it's
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  Speaker 1: ten to twenty times more capable than V two.
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  Speaker 4: It's a very big satellite.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, it can only be launched on Starship, so
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  Speaker 1: it's too big to be launched on any other rocket
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  Speaker 1: on Earth. So Starship has a thirty foot diameter cogo bay,
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  Speaker 1: and the V three satellites are let's see, about seven meters,
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  Speaker 1: so about.
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  Speaker 4: Twenty two or twenty three.
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  Speaker 1: Feet wide, so very big, like the size of a
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  Speaker 1: small bus essentially. And there's a bunch of technical details
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  Speaker 1: about we have much bigger plas, ray antennas, we've got
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  Speaker 1: more ground links, we've got more of our laser that
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  Speaker 1: our satellites communicate with each other with lasers that we
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  Speaker 1: developed and manufacture. So it's got a lot more lasers
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  Speaker 1: and more advanced lasers. It's also got w VAN and event.
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  Speaker 1: These are technical details, but it's got a lot of
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  Speaker 1: it's trans it's like a crazy orbiting radio station.
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  Speaker 5: Because it doesn't Starship do twelve of them or fifteen
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  Speaker 5: or once.
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  Speaker 4: It should be able to do fifty fifty.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because Starship B three is aimed at aiming to
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  Speaker 1: do one hundred tons to orbit with full reusability, and
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  Speaker 1: then Starship B four we're aiming for over two hundred
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  Speaker 1: tons permission and then being able to launch every hour.
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  Speaker 5: Next one's data centers in space you've been talking about.
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  Speaker 5: Other people have mentioned it, but obviously it has different
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  Speaker 5: technical capabilities. There's colder up there, lu's vibration, but you
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  Speaker 5: also got to get the data back to the Earth
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  Speaker 5: by some method. I think you mentioned me lasers in
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  Speaker 5: good weather in bed and so how hard is it
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  Speaker 5: to do now you've looked at.
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  Speaker 4: It for a while, We don't think this is a
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  Speaker 4: particularly difficult thing to do.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, we think it's easier than our communication satellites,
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  Speaker 1: quite a bit easier than our communication satellites stallin V three.
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  Speaker 1: Communication satellites is an incredibly complex machine. The AI data
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  Speaker 1: center would be much simpler by comparison, because it's really
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  Speaker 1: just solar power plus radiator, some basic equipment for operating
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  Speaker 1: the satellite, and then the laser links which would connect
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  Speaker 1: to the Starlink communications constellation and then back and then
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  Speaker 1: to the ground, and it would the connection would happen
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  Speaker 1: no matter what the weather is because once you connect
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  Speaker 1: FM violences to the stalling communication constellation, the stalling communicates
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  Speaker 1: the ground with frequencies that are cloud pinder trading, so
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  Speaker 1: that in fact even roof penetrating to some degree, so
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  Speaker 1: you would always be able to close link with the
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  Speaker 1: data centers.
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  Speaker 6: Excellent.
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  Speaker 5: Talking about America, one of the big things here, we've
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  Speaker 5: been talking about the reindustrialization of America for a long time.
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  Speaker 5: Bring you back advanced manufacturing. Now you're talking about billion,
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  Speaker 5: the terror fab billionship fabs in New York.
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  Speaker 6: What compelled you do that? Now with all the other
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  Speaker 6: things you're working on, Well, we.
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  Speaker 1: Try to so what's the limiting factor, and the limiting
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  Speaker 1: factor what we see is limiting factor is being able
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  Speaker 1: to make chips, both logic memory and packaging. This was
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  Speaker 1: noting that there's not a single high volume computer memory
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  Speaker 1: fab in America right now.
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  Speaker 4: Zero.
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  Speaker 1: There's one being built in Idaho by Micron, but that
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  Speaker 1: will not reach volume production until I believe twenty twenty eight.
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  Speaker 1: And there's something built in New York, but they are
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  Speaker 1: I think twenty nine and thirty. And this is a
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  Speaker 1: tiny fraction of the memory that's needed. And in fact,
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  Speaker 1: even if you take the best case assumptions of the
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  Speaker 1: memory makers and the logic makers, it is not enough
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  Speaker 1: to meet the demand that is anticipated, which is why
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  Speaker 1: you're seeing stocks of Micron go to I think one
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  Speaker 1: point two trillion or.
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  Speaker 4: Some quite high number.
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  Speaker 1: So there's just clearly a need for AI logic, memory
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  Speaker 1: and packaging AI computers. Essentially, that is far beyond what
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  Speaker 1: even the best case assumptions of the existing fabricators can do,
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  Speaker 1: and that's why we need to do the terrafab Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it seems like essential advice.
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  Speaker 4: We will not there will not be enough chips.
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  Speaker 5: Some going to do one more on some of the
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  Speaker 5: stuff you've building, and then a little bit more on
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  Speaker 5: other issues AI strategy. You've also bought took a crack
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  Speaker 5: inside into SpaceX. How does that fit into this platform
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  Speaker 5: you're building?
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  Speaker 4: Uh, yeah, there's you know.
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  Speaker 1: So we do intend with our SpaceX AI satellites to
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  Speaker 1: allow people to put whatever GPU or TPU they want.
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  Speaker 1: So if in Bettio GPUs can be put on it,
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  Speaker 1: Google TPUs can be put on Amazon, TRAINEUS or any
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  Speaker 1: other ships that if you want to put on can
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: be put on. We will also offer our chips in
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  Speaker 1: the future, and I think We also want to offer
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: our software.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: Our AI software as well in the future, but it.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Will be such that you can run anyone's AI hardware
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: or software on the Tesla AI satellite space as satellites.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: Right, So the next three are completely different. I'm gonna
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: mention each one. I'll each ask you each one. But
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: one's about his view of patriotism and service to this country.
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: One's about culture and bench how do you actually build
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: these wonderful companies because a lot of people here have
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: that those issues, and then kind of leadership about I
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: have a very specific question about that, But first I'll
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: start patriots. We've served this country. I know you're a patriot,
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: We've spoken about it. How did you brew your role
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: of being an American patriot helping the United States?
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm incredibly pro American and I it always have been.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: So.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, SpaceX does do a lot of work for the
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: BARD used to call the Department of Defense the Department
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: of For these days, we have a division called star Shield,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: which provides military communications and there's some other stuff that's
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: kind of classified, can't be can't talk about that, but
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: we are helping the Department.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: Award and instel part of the vital element of that.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I was just super pro America always happened.
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: Thank you Culture a bench, Brett. When have been with
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: you for fifteen twenty years? I know you've built a
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: huge bench in SpaceX. How do you keep it going?
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: Which important to you? How do you make sure you
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: keep the best talent?
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: When was I think around the seventh person to join
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: the company, and that was two thousand and two to
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: swing like twenty four years and general generally the senior
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: executives at the company you have for a very long tenure.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: I think Brent Johnson's been CFO for fifteen years, and.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like we I think because people really believe in
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: the mission.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I think they want to stay and they want to
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: keep building it. Like we want to make humanity a
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: space frank civilization. We want to take commanity to Mars
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: and the Moon and ultimately beyond. We want to make
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: it's like science fiction, make it real. So go to
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: places that have never been explored before. Make Star Trek real.
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: That was one of my favorite shows.
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, excellent, And then last one, you've built multiple companies.
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: How have you changed from maybe twenty years ago?
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: I should maybe I should ask you, guys, how have
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: you changed from like when you started to today lessons
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: you've learned, how you changed both as a leader as
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: a person.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I think I'm probably more chill than I used to be,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: so for a little and way more laid back than
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: I used to be, which I'm still not that laid back,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: but more than I used to be for sure. And
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: one of the things that I found over time, and
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I've mentioned this before, is that in terms of recruiting
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: people to the company and having people work with.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: The company, their individual abilities and their intellectual.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Capabilities to matter a lot. But also it also matters
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: if they have a good heart. It's not just about
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: whether somebody has so niqu or whatever, but it's just
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: out there a good person that matters a lot.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: I guess I've learnt a lot, although I feel like
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: I still have a lot to learn and just make
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of mistakes. But I think maybe the future
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: AI will say not bad for a human.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: Listen, I before we thank Elon for coming, I just
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: want to thank him just watching him build companies, and
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: I can't wait to watch the next ten or fifteen
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: years about what you accomplish and what you dream of
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: and getting to Mars and building new businesses and being creative.
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: So Elon, I want to thank you for having everybody,
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: for coming here, sharing your ideas. There are brochures out
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: there about the whole space X thing, but Elon, thank you,
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: thank you.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: Thanks for having me. I will say.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. To see you in the next episode.