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Big Draft Swings, Shanahan on 49ers Picks, Fugazi Friday Returns & Mailbag · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on everybody? How are we doing?
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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff Three and Out podcast on this beautiful food
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Speaker 1: Gazi Friday. Hopefully everyone's doing well. We got Kyle Shanahan
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Speaker 1: talking to rich eisen about his draft picks, Anthony Richardson's
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Speaker 1: career kind of unofficially over an Indie, just disastrous draft
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Speaker 1: pick I got. I got a big time fugazi and
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Speaker 1: we'll do some mailbag questions at John Middlecoff. At John Middlecoff,
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Speaker 1: Let's just start with taking big swings in the draft.
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Speaker 1: I have always stood by I am totally okay with
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Speaker 1: swinging for the fences when you draft high, especially if
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Speaker 1: you feel good about a quarterback on your roster. That's
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Speaker 1: kind of what the New York Giants did with rvel rees.
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Speaker 1: He is a super high ceiling guy, but there's definitely
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Speaker 1: some risk. He's twenty years old, hasn't played that much.
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Speaker 1: What true position he's gonna play? You know, John Harbaugh
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Speaker 1: had to come out and been like I even had
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Speaker 1: to talk to Malik Neighbors. We have a vision, we
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Speaker 1: have a plan, and because the guy's been coaching for
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Speaker 1: decades and had a lot of success, especially his team's defensively,
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Speaker 1: like I'm inclined to believe. You know, when you look
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Speaker 1: at Carnell Tate, who was drafted fourth overall, I went,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, he's never been the number one.
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Speaker 1: The other guys that were number ones when he was
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Speaker 1: there were not top fifteen picks. And then obviously the
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Speaker 1: guy now next year is in a different universe and
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Speaker 1: he might be the same pick. Just don't love it
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Speaker 1: because I don't think the ceiling is high enough, Like
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Speaker 1: I wanna I'm trying to hit a walk off home
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Speaker 1: run when I'm drafting high. I think with quarterbacks you
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Speaker 1: gotta be a little bit more careful because unlike defensive linemen,
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Speaker 1: wide receivers, tight ends, you name the position. Sadiq at Oregon.
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Speaker 1: I think it's a pretty actually polarizing player in the
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Speaker 1: scouting circles. You can work those guys in and out
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Speaker 1: of the lineup right. They can play as many plays
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Speaker 1: as you see fit. They can be a backup. But
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Speaker 1: if they play as a pass rusher or a tight
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Speaker 1: end twenty twenty five thirty snaps with a quarterback, you're
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Speaker 1: either playing or you're not. You're either starting quarterback you're not.
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Speaker 1: And typically, and this was the Ty Simpson thing, his
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Speaker 1: risk profile was much different than Anthony Richardson because the
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Speaker 1: traits were not the same. Part of what made Anthony
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Speaker 1: Richardson such a tantalizing player or prospect was because of
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Speaker 1: the physical gifts. He could throw it on a hundred yards,
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Speaker 1: He could run like the wind physically, he was just
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Speaker 1: built like a brick shit house. Obviously, the one game
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Speaker 1: he had to start the season against Utah, he was
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Speaker 1: made some incredible plays in the game, winning play in
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Speaker 1: a primetime game. But you're like, well, he's basically essentially
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Speaker 1: been a one year starter. He hadn't played that much.
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Speaker 1: Not the most accurate guy, kind of like Ty Simpson
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Speaker 1: hadn't played that much anytime. You just haven't played very much.
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Speaker 1: The amount of data I have to evaluate you just
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Speaker 1: isn't very high like there was when you're a three
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Speaker 1: year starter. Frananda Mendoza played a lot of games. Jared
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Speaker 1: Goff was a three year starter at colch Trevor Lawrence
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Speaker 1: was a three year starter at Clemson. So Caleb Williams
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Speaker 1: started halfway through when Rattler got benched at Oklahoma. The
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Speaker 1: next two years Oklahoma and USC or I guess he
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Speaker 1: went to USC for two years full time starter, right,
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Speaker 1: And I think mac Jones is a good example. TWOA
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Speaker 1: gets hurt against Mississippi State, starts to rest that year
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Speaker 1: in just one year, and then comes into the league.
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Speaker 1: But when you take a quarterback, whether it is a
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Speaker 1: risky player like Anthony Richardson or it's a Kenny Pickett,
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Speaker 1: mac Jones viewed as more of a safer prospect, when
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Speaker 1: they do not work out, you typically get fired. Let's
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Speaker 1: face it, Bill Belichick got ran out of town because
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Speaker 1: he was losing because offensively in the quarterback play was atrocious.
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Speaker 1: Ryan Pace in Chicago somehow got multiple quarterbacks, both of them.
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Speaker 1: Consider Buss Mitch Trubisky justin fields loses his job. Joe Douglas,
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Speaker 1: who I think we would all agree drafted pretty well.
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Speaker 1: With the Jets rifted on the quarterback and Zack Wilson,
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Speaker 1: they all got shit canned. Chris Ballard is kind of
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Speaker 1: an outlier because the other guy in that Justin Fields,
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Speaker 1: Mac Jones Zach Wilson draft is Trey Lance. If Brock
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Speaker 1: perty wouldn't have come around, who knows what would happen
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Speaker 1: to Kyle Shanahan, because if you wouldn't have found a quarterback,
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Speaker 1: they would lose games. I saw him last year when
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Speaker 1: Kyle Allen had to play. It did not go well
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Speaker 1: at all. You know, so just as easy as Brock
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Speaker 1: Purdy can turn into some random guy who's out of
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Speaker 1: the league in a couple of years and gets you
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Speaker 1: fired somehow. Chris Ballard, which I've always respected him, I
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Speaker 1: think he's done a pretty good job. I liked his
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Speaker 1: draft this year. He's pretty lucky because we look at
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Speaker 1: it now, I know they gave him multiple years at
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Speaker 1: forty plus million dollars a year. You could not feel
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Speaker 1: great about Daniel Jones and over the last four years,
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Speaker 1: last year nine and eight, the previous year eight and nine,
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Speaker 1: the previous year nine and eight, the year before that
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Speaker 1: four and twelve. This thing has not gone well right
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Speaker 1: that they haven't been a total embarrassment, But last year
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Speaker 1: they just crumbled as the season went on and had
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Speaker 1: to sign Philip Rivers. So Anthony Richardson, who's never going
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Speaker 1: to play another game again for the Indianapolis Colts, is
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Speaker 1: a good example. When you miss it quarterback, you might
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Speaker 1: as well, we'll just sign up to get fired. Because
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Speaker 1: Chris Ballard is one hundred percent outlier, because we cannot
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Speaker 1: say with a straight face he's found some replacement. He's
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Speaker 1: been trying to find a replacement for Andrew Luck for
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Speaker 1: almost a decade now. I think most people around the
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Speaker 1: league think he's good at his job. We think Shane
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Speaker 1: Sichin has a chance to be a good coach. He's
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Speaker 1: a good offensive mind. But this thing was a disaster.
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Speaker 1: And for years he said, you guys just want me
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Speaker 1: to take a quarterback, to say I take a quarterback,
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Speaker 1: and it's like, if we don't like the guy, we're
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Speaker 1: not gonna draft him. And then clearly the owner got
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Speaker 1: involved in the latter the last couple of years of
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Speaker 1: his life forced that one on him. And I'm sure
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Speaker 1: Chris Ballard came around on it because I know people
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Speaker 1: in the league that thought Anthony Richison was a legit
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Speaker 1: top ten pick because the ceiling was so high. But
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Speaker 1: there is no such thing as You're never guaranteed to
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Speaker 1: hit the ceiling. There is no such thing as a
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Speaker 1: high floor player. All these picks are a gigantic risk,
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Speaker 1: and the higher you draft someone, the more pressure that
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Speaker 1: comes along with it, more money you pay them. And
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Speaker 1: when it's a quarterback, the magnifying glass is just on
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Speaker 1: him at a level that is not comparable to any
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Speaker 1: other position. So Anthey Richson will go down as you know,
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Speaker 1: a guy that started fifteen games in a short career.
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Speaker 1: Obviously he's had some crazy injuries, but you look back
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Speaker 1: in college it's like it's not like he was the
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Speaker 1: most durable player there either. So just a disastrous draft
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Speaker 1: pick for the Colts, and one that if Daniel Jones
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Speaker 1: doesn't right the ship and stay on the field and
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Speaker 1: he's proven, like Daniel Jones got people fired before too,
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Speaker 1: because you know, essentially, if Joe Shane looks like he's
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Speaker 1: gonna keep his job, you know, day Ball kind of
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Speaker 1: shook it off, but never really right. I mean, Jackson
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Speaker 1: Dart got injured and it was just too late. So
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Speaker 1: it's like these guys, the majority of these quarterbacks are
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Speaker 1: just one gigantic risk. Kyle Shanahan who hopped on the
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Speaker 1: zoom and went on Rich Eisen's podcast or I mean
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Speaker 1: tell Division Joe radio show, it's all the same now
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Speaker 1: in digital media, and he gave an explanation for the
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Speaker 1: shit that they are taking. And I want to say this,
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Speaker 1: and I've been pretty consistent when it comes to their
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Speaker 1: second round pick, Stribbling, the old miss wide receiver. Everyone
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Speaker 1: I know in the NFL liked them. They thought, you know,
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Speaker 1: mid to high second. But if you wanted to take
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Speaker 1: him at thirty three, that is by no means the
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Speaker 1: craziest thing you could do. He is going to turn
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Speaker 1: out like there's a good chance that he's better than
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Speaker 1: some of the guys drafted above them, and obviously ideally
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Speaker 1: some of the guys drafted after him, But like that
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Speaker 1: is not that polarizing of a pick in league circles.
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Speaker 1: The issue I have with the Fortyniners and you know,
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Speaker 1: Warren Sharp, who is this clearly pretty smart guy with
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Speaker 1: a mustache, has been going after John Lynch and I
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Speaker 1: think it's kind of unfair because, as Kyle told Rich Eisen,
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Speaker 1: the way we do things here is the position coaches
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Speaker 1: all watch their group of players. If you're a wide
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Speaker 1: receiver coach, the wide receivers, the line, the on line,
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Speaker 1: and they have to make a cutup of all the
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Speaker 1: good plays to show me to get me to watch
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Speaker 1: more of that player. Essentially, Kyle Shanahan's the boss and
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Speaker 1: coaches typically and this is you know, who knows the
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Speaker 1: true true story with McVeigh and Snead. Obviously mcveigh's not
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Speaker 1: against you know, the quarterback. He clearly is on board.
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Speaker 1: But did he have to be. Wasn't a knockdown dragout
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Speaker 1: to convince him to not take a position player? Because
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Speaker 1: I think we would all agree Ruben Bain would dramatically
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Speaker 1: impact this team, assuming Matt Stafford plays like he did
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Speaker 1: last year, way more than a backup quarterback like Jimmy Garoppolo,
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Speaker 1: who's their backup quarterback last year, had no impact on
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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five season where they were a couple
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Speaker 1: of plays away from being in the Super Bowl, and
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Speaker 1: obviously they would have won the Super Bowl. They would
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Speaker 1: routed New England just like the Seattle Seahawks did. Turns out,
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Speaker 1: the NFC Championship was the Super Bowl and Seattle won it.
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Speaker 1: You know, so and I the previous year that they
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Speaker 1: barely lose to the Eagles, they would have routed the
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Speaker 1: Commanders and you know who knows the Chiefs game probably
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Speaker 1: would have been a little bit more difficult for them
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Speaker 1: than the Eagles, but had a pretty good chance to
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Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl that year too. I think the
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Speaker 1: problem I have with the Niners and specifically Kyle, is
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Speaker 1: they don't cluster players. You know, part of a draft
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Speaker 1: if you're not drafting really really high, where you get
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Speaker 1: to dictate, Like the Titans knew the group of two
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Speaker 1: or three players that were one hundred percent going to
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Speaker 1: be there, and they got the pick of the litter.
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Speaker 1: It's like, do we want Sonny Styles, Carnel Tait, you know,
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Speaker 1: Jeremiah Love or Rvel Reese. Let's rank those. You know,
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Speaker 1: three of the four of these guys are one hundred
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Speaker 1: percent going to be here, So you can kind of
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Speaker 1: dictate once you get to like pick eleven twelve, like
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Speaker 1: you're playing somewhat of a guessing game. By the time
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Speaker 1: you get to the twenties, you're definitely playing a guessing game,
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Speaker 1: especially in a draft like this. So what a lot
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Speaker 1: of teams will do, and this is public knowledge, is
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Speaker 1: they cluster players they go. We're willing to take a
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Speaker 1: group of these three or four guys ranked one through four,
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Speaker 1: and if any of them are on the board at
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Speaker 1: pick twenty five, we will just pick, based on our ranking,
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Speaker 1: the top rated player of that cluster, and if they
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Speaker 1: are all gone, we will work like hell to get
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Speaker 1: back and fall back to another cluster of players. The
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Speaker 1: Niners do not operate like that because coaches inherently think
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Speaker 1: about twenty twenty sixth this season, where less need pounding
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Speaker 1: the table for this quarterback is thinking about the next decade.
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Speaker 1: Sean McVay is just trying to win Week seven, just
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Speaker 1: like all these coaches. And it's always the balance of
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Speaker 1: the front office, who is thinking the salary cap, the
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Speaker 1: big picture bill, holding the team over the course of
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Speaker 1: three or four years to make it sustainable. Howie Roseman
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Speaker 1: said in his pre draft meeting that we judge guys
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Speaker 1: what we think they're gonna look like in year three.
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Speaker 1: Where coaches are how can this guy help me, and
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Speaker 1: how can he help me now? And especially the position
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Speaker 1: coaches that's where they're pounding the table in these draft rooms,
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Speaker 1: in these meetings, and depending on the team, they can
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Speaker 1: have a lot of influence. All coaching staffs are involved
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Speaker 1: in the draft. It just is based on how much
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Speaker 1: juice they have with dictating the picks and the draft board.
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Speaker 1: Some teams have more than others. All teams have influence,
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Speaker 1: It just varies in terms of their influence. Historically with
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Speaker 1: the Patriots in Belichick, Bill was the grand Pooba. He
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Speaker 1: had one hundred percent of the pie chart. Right, you
12:49
Speaker 1: look at Andy Reid, who Hall of Fame coach Brett
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Speaker 1: Veach is the guy pulling the strings there. Now, He's
12:55
Speaker 1: not gonna take a guy especially high that Andy think sucks.
12:59
Speaker 1: You work with your partner. You're in business with the guy, right,
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Speaker 1: you want to get on the same page and talk
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Speaker 1: it out and figure it out. But you're not always
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Speaker 1: going to agree. But the one thing GMS are pretty good,
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Speaker 1: and a good GM should be good at, is understanding
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Speaker 1: the market manipulation of the draft. So everyone's shitting on
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Speaker 1: Kyle about the wide receiver at picked thirty three. I
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Speaker 1: think that's misinformed and a lot of people don't know
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Speaker 1: anyone in the league. I even think their next pick,
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Speaker 1: the pass rusher from Texas Tech. I talked to a
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Speaker 1: buddy who said, he is one of the hardest playing
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Speaker 1: guys in college football. His motor and his talent, and
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Speaker 1: he's on one of the best defense in the league.
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Speaker 1: That or in college that three guys draft in the
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Speaker 1: top fifty Bailey Hunter to the Panthers and Rodriguez to
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Speaker 1: the Dolphins, like that was an SEC level defense. And Holoit,
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Speaker 1: the kid, the pass rushing linebacker, was viewed really highly too.
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Speaker 1: So I don't even have an issue with that pick.
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Speaker 1: The thing he said, which was I like Black the
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Speaker 1: running back they took from Indiana. If you watch Indiana,
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Speaker 1: he's a good player. Kyle shannan said he was a
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Speaker 1: second rated back on their board, and I so I
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Speaker 1: when I saw that quote, I immediately text a couple teams,
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Speaker 1: I says, I said, is it insane in my text
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Speaker 1: message to have the Indiana running back as the number
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Speaker 1: two running back? Now there's a bad running back class
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Speaker 1: on this year's draft board. Everyone that responded said yes,
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Speaker 1: And that's where I think, going back to Kyle Shanahan,
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Speaker 1: you know, Howie Roseman, some of these gms will manipulate
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Speaker 1: the draft. They know, Hey, if I want this guy,
14:39
Speaker 1: I got a trade up. If I know I can
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Speaker 1: get this guy in trade back. I don't think the
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Speaker 1: Niners really think and operate like that, you know, especially
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Speaker 1: in the later rounds. And when you put stuff like
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Speaker 1: out there out there, which I respect you're being extremely transparent,
14:56
Speaker 1: you do bring some potential heat on you and the
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Speaker 1: this notion that John Lynch and the scouting staff is
15:04
Speaker 1: viewed like a bunch of village idiots. Like I've known
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Speaker 1: a couple of people that worked for Belichick for a
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Speaker 1: long time, and every single time I would talk to him,
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Speaker 1: they would give an example of like, Bro, we had
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Speaker 1: player X there, We're going to take him, and then
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Bill comes out of left field
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Speaker 1: and takes you know, the guy Urban Meyer told him about,
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Speaker 1: or herm Edwards told him about, or Mike Lombardi wanted.
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Speaker 1: That's kind of how it worked, and that's how it
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Speaker 1: works with some teams. Now, this is where Kyle can
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Speaker 1: get by. He's really good, and because of his ability
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Speaker 1: to control the offense, the team, just the forty nine
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Speaker 1: ers operation, he can get by with some shitty picks
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Speaker 1: and some crazy picks that a lot of other teams
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Speaker 1: would not make. Because I know this for as great
15:51
Speaker 1: as how he is in terms of making moves, doing
15:54
Speaker 1: free agency, doing the draft, what coach do you think
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Speaker 1: he would pick? Would you rather have Siriani running his
16:02
Speaker 1: franchise or Kyle Shanahan. And at the end of the day,
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Speaker 1: we all have strengths and weaknesses. Now, if you want
16:08
Speaker 1: to make the argument that the longer you do something,
16:14
Speaker 1: you should be able to see somewhat of a weak point,
16:17
Speaker 1: fair enough, we all should have some self reflection, especially
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Speaker 1: if you're at the top of the pyramid. But Kyle Goes,
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Speaker 1: I just won twelve games. I just went to Philadelphia
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Speaker 1: and won the game. And I think my last year's
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Speaker 1: draft class, when we drafted really high, is really good.
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Speaker 1: And I think we got a bunch of returning Pro
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Speaker 1: Bowl level guys. If they're healthy, we're going to be
16:36
Speaker 1: pretty good if we can figure out the substation. But
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Speaker 1: they do things, and he does things specifically, just like
16:43
Speaker 1: if a lot of coaches have the amount of power
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Speaker 1: he did, they would do as well. They would see
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Speaker 1: things dramatically different than the scouting community and black hot
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Speaker 1: four balls last year, He's not exactly viewed as like
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Speaker 1: some wide receiver threat in a league and on a
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Speaker 1: team that throws the ball in the running back a lot.
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Speaker 1: So I think the context of a draft room really
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Speaker 1: really matters. Like I don't really hold Andrew Berry at
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Speaker 1: this point to drafting two quarterbacks in twenty twenty five draft.
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Speaker 1: Clearly the owner forced him to do that. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that was obvious, you know. I mean, it doesn't take
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Speaker 1: You don't need to be in the draft room to
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Speaker 1: realize what happened there, and these guys have to come
17:28
Speaker 1: out and lie. Like I think John Lynch has taken
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Speaker 1: a lot of shit, and I think he does sometimes
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Speaker 1: in the draft for a coach that is dictating the
17:35
Speaker 1: terms of what they do. And it doesn't bother me
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Speaker 1: as much because he figures it out when the games happen,
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Speaker 1: which is ultimately what he's paid to do. Now, if
17:47
Speaker 1: the draft turns out to be poorly, and you could
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Speaker 1: argue one of the biggest fugays he's going right now,
17:52
Speaker 1: I'm guilty, You're guilty. We're all guilty. Is thinking we
17:56
Speaker 1: know anything how any of this is going to turn out.
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Speaker 1: Do you know how many of those first rounders that
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Speaker 1: were just picked will not have their fifth year option
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Speaker 1: picked up. Imagine how many grades that went out a's
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Speaker 1: and b's from ESPN dot Com and the bleacher reports.
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Speaker 1: We'll look back in a couple of years and those
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Speaker 1: drafts will be disasters and that guy drafted in the
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Speaker 1: teams or the single digits will be viewed as a
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Speaker 1: major bust not to reach a guy that can't play.
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Speaker 1: So I love this time of year. I love college football,
18:31
Speaker 1: but like the conversation that we know where we don't know.
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Speaker 1: We got no fucking clue. So every team's draft board
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Speaker 1: is gonna be different, and it's gonna be dictated on
18:42
Speaker 1: who is in charge in the room. So you can
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Speaker 1: disagree the consensus board, which gets talked about a lot.
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Speaker 1: I think that changes by the year. Some years it
18:55
Speaker 1: has a lot of value. I would argue in this
18:57
Speaker 1: draft throw it out a little bit. I heard my guy,
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Speaker 1: Matt Barrows, who's covered the Niners for thirty years, said
19:05
Speaker 1: he talked to Scott mccluan former Niner GM who drafted
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Speaker 1: Patrick Willis. You know, Joe Staley, Frank Gore. He told
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Speaker 1: Barrows that he thinks and Barrows might have wrote this
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Speaker 1: on the Athletic He said it on the podcast that
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Speaker 1: Price from Notre Dame will be better than Love. He
19:25
Speaker 1: thinks will look back in five years and Price will
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Speaker 1: be the better players than Love. If a coach came
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Speaker 1: out and said that right now, you know, just pick
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Speaker 1: a coach Dan Campbell, Sirianni, Brian Schottenheim or whatever, he
19:38
Speaker 1: would get fucking skewered. You'd be like, what, we have
19:44
Speaker 1: a long history of going. I'd be a little stunned.
19:49
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Jeremiah Love is pretty elite prospect.
19:51
Speaker 1: That's not the craziest thing I've ever heard, and it's
19:53
Speaker 1: definitely possible. As just a guy that's done this for
19:56
Speaker 1: a living, who watched these two guys play. I thought
19:59
Speaker 1: Sony Michelle was gonna be a can't miss. When Bill
20:02
Speaker 1: took him, I was like, that's a great pick. They
20:06
Speaker 1: obviously took the wrong running back on the wrong team
20:08
Speaker 1: who went several picks later in Nick Chubb. So you
20:12
Speaker 1: never know, you know, and clearly saying that is a
20:17
Speaker 1: bold proclamation to make. But Orlovsky, who I disagree with,
20:24
Speaker 1: who had Ty Simpson quarterback one over Fernando Mendoza. You're
20:30
Speaker 1: telling me that's not possible. Fernando Mendoza's with a team
20:34
Speaker 1: that hasn't really won in twenty plus years. I think
20:36
Speaker 1: they're gonna turn it around. I hope they turn around.
20:39
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for Spy Tech. I would love for the
20:41
Speaker 1: Raiders to be good, but there's no guarantee. Ty Simpson's
20:45
Speaker 1: with one of beside John Madden. No one's ever had
20:49
Speaker 1: a career as good as Sean McVay at his age,
20:52
Speaker 1: not even close. There is no comparable. And a guy
20:55
Speaker 1: who I talked to a buddy that's a coach, and
20:58
Speaker 1: I know people that have have worked for McVeigh, like
21:02
Speaker 1: the offense, like with Shanahan, or like with Sean Payton
21:06
Speaker 1: or Andy. I mean, that's that's his baby. The run game,
21:10
Speaker 1: the run calls, the pass calls, the audibles, like his
21:14
Speaker 1: fingerprints all aren't all over it. That's it. It's his.
21:19
Speaker 1: So is there a better place to go than to that?
21:22
Speaker 1: Because you would say, well, what's would Fernando Mendoza be
21:26
Speaker 1: better off going to the Raiders or the Rams? We
21:28
Speaker 1: would all agree he would be better or have a
21:30
Speaker 1: better chance for success with the Rams right just over
21:34
Speaker 1: the course of the next decade. And that's the other thing.
21:37
Speaker 1: About the draft. Who's in your position room, who's coaching you,
21:42
Speaker 1: who's your coordinator, who's on your team, what's the vibe
21:46
Speaker 1: like of the building, good vibes, bad vibes, negativity surrounding.
21:50
Speaker 1: Do you have a rough you know, start to your career,
21:53
Speaker 1: you get injured. So many variables that we have no
21:56
Speaker 1: fucking clue none. So I think this notion that everyone
22:02
Speaker 1: knows everything, and obviously if you get on social media,
22:07
Speaker 1: everyone knows the right guy to take, which we never
22:10
Speaker 1: actually know. But if you want to be critical of
22:13
Speaker 1: the Niners, I think they could do a better job
22:17
Speaker 1: of having a better understanding the media, whatever, but knowing
22:22
Speaker 1: exactly where the league values guys over the course of
22:25
Speaker 1: the aggregate. I'm giving them a little bit of a
22:28
Speaker 1: pass on this draft because this draft was all over
22:31
Speaker 1: the map. But historically it feels like, yeah, they take
22:35
Speaker 1: a guy around higher, and it's like, even if that
22:37
Speaker 1: guy turns out to be good, you can get that
22:40
Speaker 1: guy for cheaper, Like you wouldn't pay for a million
22:43
Speaker 1: dollar home if you get the same home for six
22:45
Speaker 1: hundred grand. And that's what the draft is, an exercising
22:50
Speaker 1: the price in which you have to pay to acquire
22:53
Speaker 1: the player. Now, these guys would be the first to
22:56
Speaker 1: tell me, Okay, John, great, we're picking it seven. We
23:00
Speaker 1: know we can get the guy at pick one hundred.
23:02
Speaker 1: We'd love to go back twenty spots to ninety accumulate
23:05
Speaker 1: a couple extra fifth or six round picks. No one
23:07
Speaker 1: will trade with us fair. So that's where you have
23:11
Speaker 1: to know the cluster in the draft to feel more
23:14
Speaker 1: comfortable about the value of what you're purchasing. And I
23:17
Speaker 1: think sometimes coaching led operations don't give a shit about that.
23:22
Speaker 1: Even Kyle admitted he starts getting involved with the draft
23:26
Speaker 1: in February. I don't watch any college football during the fall.
23:29
Speaker 1: I don't have any time, which I don't blame. Most
23:31
Speaker 1: coaches don't even though I do. You know, coach Reid
23:35
Speaker 1: always has you know, ESPN and games on in his
23:38
Speaker 1: room any sport, and I'm sure Kyle does. But how
23:41
Speaker 1: dialed in is he? Clearly not that he's said as much.
23:46
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Speaker 1: couple of mailbag questions. Who wrote this down? And I
26:01
Speaker 1: forgot to do it last week? But my fugazi is
26:05
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, and this happens wherever I go,
26:08
Speaker 1: but specifically the hotel I stay in Los Angeles, and
26:11
Speaker 1: all hotels are like this. You could be in the
26:13
Speaker 1: Four Seasons in Nashville, or you could be in the
26:15
Speaker 1: Motel six in Albuquerque. Why is the light situation in
26:21
Speaker 1: a hotel room so complicated? If you walk into my
26:25
Speaker 1: bedroom or if I walk into your living room, you're
26:28
Speaker 1: gonna if I walk into any room, you're gonna have
26:31
Speaker 1: more than likely buttons where I hit it and the
26:35
Speaker 1: lights turn on in the room. And then you'll also
26:38
Speaker 1: have some lamps, right, But most people will just have
26:43
Speaker 1: lights over the room, maybe in the fan. They just
26:47
Speaker 1: lights up the room. And if you you know, you're
26:50
Speaker 1: with a little more with the times, maybe you can
26:51
Speaker 1: control it and you have a dimmer on it. Why
26:54
Speaker 1: wouldever we go to a hotel, whether you're in Maui,
26:58
Speaker 1: whether you're in New York City, where wherever you are,
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Speaker 1: the light situation is so fucked up. You have all
27:06
Speaker 1: these lamps. Even the lights sometimes in the bathroom is weird.
27:10
Speaker 1: Sometimes you got to hit to get lights on in
27:13
Speaker 1: the room the front by the door where you walk
27:16
Speaker 1: in to turn on the It never makes any sense. Now,
27:22
Speaker 1: maybe it has to do with when you create that
27:25
Speaker 1: many rooms in a structure. The electrical which I'm no electrician,
27:31
Speaker 1: but that would make some sense. I have just never
27:36
Speaker 1: ever understood, and the older I got or get it
27:39
Speaker 1: drives me nuts that in someone now that on the
27:44
Speaker 1: road I record podcasts. The lighting situation, it's like we
27:47
Speaker 1: got a million lamps, and half the lamps you can't
27:51
Speaker 1: find where to turn on the button for the lamp.
27:54
Speaker 1: Some of these it's like you're like crawling under the
27:58
Speaker 1: desk or the bed, where the fuck is the light switch?
28:02
Speaker 1: So I do not get it. I'm sure some of
28:05
Speaker 1: you that work in hospitality, that have worked for hotels
28:10
Speaker 1: when you were younger, maybe you're doing well and owned
28:12
Speaker 1: some hotels. I would love to understand the thought process
28:19
Speaker 1: that goes behind the lighting situation of a hotel room.
28:24
Speaker 1: I really would, because it seems like we got everything
28:27
Speaker 1: else figured out right. The bathroom. I got soaps, I
28:31
Speaker 1: got lotions, I got the little mirror if you got
28:34
Speaker 1: a little pimple on your nose. I got a shower
28:37
Speaker 1: that's got all these different contraptions. I got a toilet.
28:41
Speaker 1: You know, the TVs tend to be easy to work.
28:44
Speaker 1: Room service. The lighting situation just is consistent no matter
28:49
Speaker 1: what level of hotel, the crappiest to the nicest, maybe
28:54
Speaker 1: the best hotels in the world are a little more normal.
28:57
Speaker 1: Haven't been to those, but I've stayed a few four
28:59
Speaker 1: ceas now. I've stayed in a lot of spring Hill
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Speaker 1: suites and they all consistently just our disaster with trying
29:08
Speaker 1: to figure out how to light at the room. And
29:11
Speaker 1: I think there has to be some sort of solution.
29:14
Speaker 1: There really does, and somehow in twenty twenty six, we
29:18
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29:21
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29:28
Speaker 1: On the show, I saw my guy Warren Buffett call
29:32
Speaker 1: gambling a tax on stupidity. I wanted to I wish
29:36
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29:47
Speaker 1: I tried to give it out cam Young. As of
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Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon in the lead, Gary Woodland four under top
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Speaker 1: ten two and I even took him top twenty. And
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Speaker 1: even my guy Jake Napp he Withdrew doesn't if you've
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Speaker 1: so we're not betting on the uh, you know, on
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Speaker 1: the Trailblazers upset the Spurs here Cam Young Loch top ten.
30:15
Speaker 1: So that's not a tax on stupidity, that's a tax
30:17
Speaker 1: on being a genius. Thoughts on the Vikings taking Banks
30:21
Speaker 1: and over McDonald. I thought McDonald was a better prospect
30:26
Speaker 1: and banks history of injuries. Am I crazy to thinking
30:29
Speaker 1: they took the wrong defensive tackle. I think Banks in
30:34
Speaker 1: a perfect world brings an element to rush the passer
30:39
Speaker 1: and penetrate that McDonald. I think it was viewed much
30:43
Speaker 1: more of like a stout, tough run stuffer. He is
30:46
Speaker 1: gonna be with all the Texans pass rushers. That Texas
30:50
Speaker 1: team is gonna be bugging legit. I think Caleb Banks,
30:54
Speaker 1: you could make the argument, was the riskiest pick of
30:59
Speaker 1: the first round. It's got ally Anthony Riches into him. Ironically,
31:02
Speaker 1: Florida two could be a home run and he could
31:05
Speaker 1: be a monster. But when you have all these surgeries
31:08
Speaker 1: on your foot, it's pretty risky, especially with a big guy. Right,
31:12
Speaker 1: big guys when they get knee and foot issues, well
31:14
Speaker 1: you're just carrying more weight. It's just if I weigh
31:17
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty five pounds and one guy weighs,
31:20
Speaker 1: you know, three hundred and twenty pounds. We both have
31:21
Speaker 1: the same ankle issue, Like what causes more wear and terror.
31:25
Speaker 1: It's just basic math. So that to me is the
31:28
Speaker 1: scary part. But I think I looked at their draft today.
31:32
Speaker 1: Actually they took two de tackles in the first three rounds.
31:36
Speaker 1: I think that, yeah, it was just it was a
31:38
Speaker 1: swing for the fences, which I respect. I will always
31:42
Speaker 1: tip my hat and give your thumbs up on like
31:45
Speaker 1: we're going big here, now you go big. Sometimes it
31:47
Speaker 1: blows up. The forty nine ers took Javon Kinlaw. Now
31:50
Speaker 1: Caleb Banks a better prospect than kin Law, but like
31:53
Speaker 1: that that was a risky. They thought they'd get another
31:55
Speaker 1: deforce Bucktor and it blew up in their face. And
31:58
Speaker 1: then Tristan Wurris iss next pick. That was a disaster.
32:01
Speaker 1: But that's the way the draft works. Sometimes you swing
32:04
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you hit your viewed as a genius,
32:06
Speaker 1: you miss the next picks and all pro you look
32:09
Speaker 1: like a fucking idiot and you get fired sometimes for it.
32:12
Speaker 1: So I understand it and I respect it, but I
32:16
Speaker 1: also be the first to tell you, like, I think
32:18
Speaker 1: the Vikings this year could get weird. You know a
32:21
Speaker 1: lot of quarterback questions. Obviously, you're got some young defensive linemen.
32:26
Speaker 1: You trade Jonathan Garnard to the Eagles. I mean, you
32:32
Speaker 1: still got a couple star wide receivers. Obviously you could
32:35
Speaker 1: argue the best wide receiver, but you gotta get them
32:37
Speaker 1: the ball. How does the Jets moving up and using
32:42
Speaker 1: three first round picks in impact the cap? Ultimately it
32:47
Speaker 1: will be dependent on how the players perform rookie and
32:50
Speaker 1: sophomore years for extensions down the line. But do teams
32:54
Speaker 1: begin planning for that eventually prior to the night of
32:57
Speaker 1: the draft. Well, for them, they had two picks going in,
33:01
Speaker 1: so I haven't looked at their cap situation. They know
33:04
Speaker 1: before well before the draft, you got the two picks, right,
33:08
Speaker 1: you got the high pick, and then you got sixteen.
33:11
Speaker 1: So you're going into the draft knowing you're gonna get
33:15
Speaker 1: I mean, unless something crazy happens, you're prepared to take
33:18
Speaker 1: two players for your salary cap. And then I think
33:20
Speaker 1: as times get closer, you realize, we really like these
33:25
Speaker 1: couple guys. Would it be worth financially going in there
33:29
Speaker 1: and drafting a guy like Omar Cooper junior. You're having
33:33
Speaker 1: these discussions before the draft, and then on the draft
33:37
Speaker 1: night when the opportunity presents itself, you've already positioned your
33:41
Speaker 1: money and understand where you stand now if you you
33:45
Speaker 1: could go into that draft because the guy hasn't signed
33:47
Speaker 1: his contract yet. I saw Makay Lemon sign his contract today.
33:51
Speaker 1: You could not have the money and get rid of
33:54
Speaker 1: a guy after, you know, the draft, to clear the
33:57
Speaker 1: space if you had to, if an opportunity. He came
34:00
Speaker 1: out of left field. But I will give the Jets
34:03
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt that they knew going into
34:07
Speaker 1: the draft that it was a possibility that they might
34:11
Speaker 1: if the right player, which I think it's fair to
34:13
Speaker 1: say is Cooper was there in the late twenties, they
34:15
Speaker 1: would be very very interested in hopping back up and
34:18
Speaker 1: getting them. And then you know, a wide receiver or
34:22
Speaker 1: a guy drafted in the late twenties, isn't that crazy expensive? Right?
34:26
Speaker 1: Bailey's expensive. His contract's pretty big. He'll probably sign a
34:29
Speaker 1: fifty million dollar contract right and it's all guaranteed. But
34:34
Speaker 1: once you get to the mid teens. It was Mikaia Lemon.
34:37
Speaker 1: I saw four years for twenty million dollars and he's
34:40
Speaker 1: he won a couple of picks after Sadik so you
34:42
Speaker 1: and then by the time you get to Cooper, like,
34:44
Speaker 1: their contracts relative to money in the NFL is not
34:48
Speaker 1: very big after you get out of like the top ten. Uh.
34:54
Speaker 1: From my eight year old son, Michael, you got a
34:57
Speaker 1: smart kid, a massive Bills fan. His favorite player is
35:01
Speaker 1: Kean Coleman, who has had an up and down start
35:04
Speaker 1: to his career. Can you put your scouting cap on
35:07
Speaker 1: and give him a quick breakdown of Coleman's pros and cons?
35:12
Speaker 1: What do you see the player becoming. Well, my buddy Derek,
35:17
Speaker 1: who was the GM at Florida State, who is now
35:20
Speaker 1: at UCLA with Bob Chesney recruit and signed this guy
35:25
Speaker 1: at a Michigan State transfer and I think you saw
35:29
Speaker 1: it in college. His jump ball contest catchability like that
35:32
Speaker 1: is a strength he brings to the table, right a
35:35
Speaker 1: guy like in theory. I'm not saying he's this clearly
35:38
Speaker 1: hasn't done it yet, but there is. You know, DeAndre
35:43
Speaker 1: Hopkins like that that physical ability to high point balls
35:46
Speaker 1: in traffic because he's not a blazer, so he's never
35:50
Speaker 1: gonna be. You know, he's not a speed guy, and
35:54
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily view him becoming like DeVante Adams or
35:58
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen running these crazy routes. He's gonna have a
36:02
Speaker 1: lot of plays that are contested balls, back shoulder balls,
36:06
Speaker 1: fade balls, and he's just gonna make some plays, you know.
36:10
Speaker 1: And I think these guys which some team's red flag
36:14
Speaker 1: is Nakil Harry was kind of like that too, because
36:18
Speaker 1: a lot of those guys don't work out. Not a separator,
36:22
Speaker 1: not a great route runner, and everything is gonna be
36:26
Speaker 1: in in traffic now. Guys like a Kwon Bolden, Caleb Sarat,
36:33
Speaker 1: the dude the the Ravens took. Of course they took him,
36:36
Speaker 1: and he's a classic raven. Those guys live. Just put
36:40
Speaker 1: the ball in my vicinity, I'll snatch it. That's what
36:43
Speaker 1: he's got to become now. I would say the number
36:45
Speaker 1: one thing based on last year before we can even
36:47
Speaker 1: talk about that, Like, he's got to get on the
36:50
Speaker 1: straight and narrow meetings of D eight. You gotta be there
36:52
Speaker 1: at eight. You know, whatever he was struggling with in
36:56
Speaker 1: terms of punctuality and being focused and handling being a pro,
37:00
Speaker 1: you know, I think sometimes being a pro gets thrown around.
37:03
Speaker 1: Are there are different levels of being a pro, right,
37:05
Speaker 1: just like not all CEOs are the same, Like Tim
37:08
Speaker 1: Cook doesn't have the same as much in common with
37:11
Speaker 1: some other CEO in a smaller company. Just like Sean
37:13
Speaker 1: McVay is a head coach, Todd Bowles is a head coach,
37:17
Speaker 1: Brian schott Enneimer is a head coach. They're not all equals.
37:20
Speaker 1: No different with pros, like what Tom Brady or what
37:25
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald was something George Kittle. Some of these guys
37:29
Speaker 1: operate at the highest of us. You don't need to
37:31
Speaker 1: be the all time greatest worker, all time most focused guy,
37:34
Speaker 1: but like whatever you're doing is a nightmare and you
37:37
Speaker 1: just got to figure out, Like, hey, whatever Cook is doing,
37:42
Speaker 1: whatever Dawkins is doing, whatever Josh Allen is doing, whatever
37:46
Speaker 1: Shakira is doing. Just kind of follow their lead. Most
37:50
Speaker 1: people on a team are followers and just pick the
37:53
Speaker 1: right guy, just like all of us in life. Whatever
37:57
Speaker 1: job you do when you're young, you know, I got
37:59
Speaker 1: hired of President State, maybe you got hired at KPMG.
38:02
Speaker 1: Maybe someone else got hired at Wells Fargo, someone else
38:05
Speaker 1: got hired at some restaurant, whoever, the high level people
38:09
Speaker 1: are in that building just kind of do what they do.
38:13
Speaker 1: Most human beings, when they show up at twenty one,
38:16
Speaker 1: twenty two, twenty three, don't know what the fuck they're
38:19
Speaker 1: doing and are not necessarily prepared for the job. But
38:23
Speaker 1: if you just figure out, Hey, these excuse me because
38:26
Speaker 1: an eight year old asked his question, I'm swearing. It's
38:29
Speaker 1: my fault there, Michael. Uh was that his name? Michael?
38:32
Speaker 1: I don't want to script the young man's name. Michael. Yeah,
38:35
Speaker 1: appreciate the question. And this is good advice for you, Michael.
38:39
Speaker 1: As you get into sports, when you're like thirteen, fourteen fifteen,
38:44
Speaker 1: start playing JV. Look up to the guys doing the
38:47
Speaker 1: right things on the varsity team. It's no different than
38:50
Speaker 1: when you get hired out of college. For some of
38:52
Speaker 1: you guys that are young in college right now, if
38:54
Speaker 1: you do an internship, look at the people who are
38:57
Speaker 1: successful at their job and follow their lead. Ask them questions.
39:02
Speaker 1: Most people have an ego, so you know what they do.
39:05
Speaker 1: They like talking about themselves. Ask them, what do you do?
39:08
Speaker 1: How did you figure this out? What's the best way
39:10
Speaker 1: to go about this? How do I be more like
39:13
Speaker 1: you? You know, and sometimes you don't even need to ask,
39:16
Speaker 1: just look at what they're doing and then just emulate it.
39:23
Speaker 1: Love the show. I was thinking about all the weapons
39:25
Speaker 1: the Saints have now and then promising they've looked down
39:27
Speaker 1: the stretch at the end of last year. My question
39:29
Speaker 1: Shuck going into year two, where many quarterbacks make a
39:33
Speaker 1: big jump, is there an outside shot he could win
39:37
Speaker 1: the MVP. He's currently at ten thousand to one odds
39:42
Speaker 1: one hundred dollars. When I guess ten dollars when a
39:46
Speaker 1: dollar when you plus ten k. So let me let
39:51
Speaker 1: me just do the math here really quick. I'm used
39:53
Speaker 1: to like ten thousand times twenty bucks. You put twenty
40:00
Speaker 1: dollars on him. He went to in a great Okay,
40:03
Speaker 1: I guess you're right. I'm trying to do my math
40:05
Speaker 1: usually one hundred to one. Yeah, okay. I would say
40:09
Speaker 1: it would be if Tyler Shuck won the MVP. Let's
40:13
Speaker 1: just play this out. What would it take for Tyler
40:15
Speaker 1: Shuck to win the MVP. I think the Saints would
40:19
Speaker 1: probably have to win thirteen plus games and forty plus touchdowns,
40:25
Speaker 1: and then he clearly would be in the conversation. But
40:29
Speaker 1: last year they went when they go eight to nine
40:32
Speaker 1: Tyler shuck feels like a pretty big stretch, pretty crazy odds.
40:39
Speaker 1: But for a reason. Last year he was five and four,
40:46
Speaker 1: very accurate, sixty seven percent, ten touchdowns, six interceptions. He'd
40:52
Speaker 1: have to four x those touchdowns, I think, and they
40:54
Speaker 1: just have to win a lot of games if you
40:57
Speaker 1: wanted to throw twenty dollars on it to win. Couple
41:01
Speaker 1: crazier things have happened. But if we look back in college,
41:06
Speaker 1: I mean he got to college like seventeen years ago.
41:10
Speaker 1: So he was at Oregon three years through a total
41:13
Speaker 1: of sixteen touchdowns, was it Texas Tech three years through
41:17
Speaker 1: a total of twenty touchdowns, and then had a breakout
41:19
Speaker 1: year at Louisville twenty three touchdowns and six interceptions. He's
41:24
Speaker 1: an accurate passer. That'd be a crazy story. I feels
41:34
Speaker 1: like probably a waste twenty bucks. I'd live bet it
41:38
Speaker 1: if things were going well because the odds. If you
41:42
Speaker 1: started like six and zero, his odds would go from
41:45
Speaker 1: like ten k to one to like eighty to one.
41:49
Speaker 1: That'd probably be a little safer. I'm a Packer fan.
41:54
Speaker 1: Love the pod. How much info would the current Dolphins
41:57
Speaker 1: GM and head coach have about the Packers draft board
42:01
Speaker 1: and players the Packers are high on, considering they were
42:05
Speaker 1: building or in the building not that long ago. It's
42:09
Speaker 1: a good question. The coach wouldn't have any he's the season,
42:14
Speaker 1: he's not talking draft Halflee is not in lafloor. Those
42:19
Speaker 1: guys don't even the draft's meaningless to them. October November December. Now,
42:25
Speaker 1: the GM, working hand in hand with Gudakins, would have
42:29
Speaker 1: a really good idea who he's high on and who
42:31
Speaker 1: he's not high on. Now, the one thing that changes
42:34
Speaker 1: dramatically is like guys EBB and Flow, their market value
42:40
Speaker 1: once it comes to the Pro days, the All Star Game,
42:44
Speaker 1: the combine like if you run fast, you run slow.
42:47
Speaker 1: You know the Carolina defensive tackle they took in the
42:49
Speaker 1: second round Hunter, you know, vertical jump like twenty inches,
42:54
Speaker 1: which there's a decent chance he might go in the
42:56
Speaker 1: first round, and then he does that and he falls
42:58
Speaker 1: the mid second. So a lot happens once those guys
43:04
Speaker 1: get hired still, which could change people's opinions, and the
43:09
Speaker 1: coaches get involved. So you have some idea, But the
43:14
Speaker 1: Packers didn't even have a first round pick. It would
43:20
Speaker 1: matter more if you, like were the assistant GM and
43:24
Speaker 1: the Lions, and then the Bears hired you to be
43:26
Speaker 1: the GM or either assistant GM for the you know,
43:30
Speaker 1: for the forty nine ers, and the Cardinals took you.
43:32
Speaker 1: You would know the draft board or have a pretty
43:34
Speaker 1: good idea. Well kind of that's a bad example because
43:36
Speaker 1: Kyle doesn't even get involved till February. I think it's
43:41
Speaker 1: probably overblown. It's not that big a deal because who
43:44
Speaker 1: do you think John Eric Sullivan's best friend the league
43:46
Speaker 1: is Praik Gudikins pray toxic Gudikins all the time. Do
43:51
Speaker 1: you think the talent of the Atlanta Falcons outside of
43:53
Speaker 1: quarterback they got a chance to win ten games? Well,
43:57
Speaker 1: they got one of the best players in the league
43:58
Speaker 1: in Bijon, you know, James Pierce somehow miraculously got everything dismissed.
44:03
Speaker 1: So I think it's safe to say James Pear is
44:04
Speaker 1: gonna be on the Falcons and he's listening. He got
44:08
Speaker 1: ten sacks last here you can play. They still got
44:10
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts, they got Drake London. I actually think Tua
44:14
Speaker 1: in a dome in that offense, they could definitely be feisty.
44:19
Speaker 1: They could be feisty because Kevin Stefanski, look what Nick
44:21
Speaker 1: Chubb did for him. Yeah, I think they're not gonna
44:28
Speaker 1: suck ten games, feel strong, but I can see them
44:32
Speaker 1: being fined. That division actually is a lot better. I
44:37
Speaker 1: think everyone I talked to the Tampa Bays draft. I mean,
44:40
Speaker 1: Jason Like's one of the best in the business. Carolina
44:43
Speaker 1: clearly is way better than they were a couple of
44:46
Speaker 1: years ago. The Saints are clearly going to be solid
44:49
Speaker 1: if Shuck is what he showed last year. So the division,
44:53
Speaker 1: to me, it doesn't have the high end of like
44:56
Speaker 1: the Rams, Seattle and San Francisco, But I do feel
44:59
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of talent now infused in that division.
45:02
Speaker 1: The coaching's kind of up in the air. You know
45:04
Speaker 1: how goods canal ist Todd Bowles coaching for his job.
45:09
Speaker 1: You know, Kellen's only been there one year, Stefanski, some
45:14
Speaker 1: people think he's awesome.
45:16
Speaker 2: You know, I'd debate you on that one.
45:31
Speaker 1: I'm a lifelong Steeler fan, growing up with the latter
45:34
Speaker 1: cowboy or Coward years through. Now. I heard you talk
45:37
Speaker 1: about Omar Khan and the Steelers front office, and it
45:40
Speaker 1: got me thinking, how do you think the Steelers lack
45:43
Speaker 1: of success by Steeler standards has been complacency verse because
45:48
Speaker 1: of a lack of ability from our front office and
45:50
Speaker 1: coaching staff. I've been frustrated in recent years because I
45:54
Speaker 1: thought the Steelers could better compete with the top of
45:57
Speaker 1: the league if they were less complacent and more adaptive.
46:02
Speaker 1: It's a good question, Uh, anytime you go through a
46:08
Speaker 1: quarterback transition, you could have a rough couple of years.
46:11
Speaker 1: I don't totally blame them for that. The Candy Picket
46:14
Speaker 1: draft choice at twenty was insane. They tried to force
46:17
Speaker 1: a quarterback who was in their backyard, who had one
46:20
Speaker 1: good season. He was like a fifth year guy. He
46:23
Speaker 1: had played longer, but his fifth year was his breakout year.
46:27
Speaker 1: I thought it was just nuts, and obviously that backfired
46:29
Speaker 1: on them. Their front office has not been dynamic. Right
46:35
Speaker 1: last year they tried to be dynamics, Like, wait, you're
46:37
Speaker 1: trading a second round pick for DK metcalf and give
46:39
Speaker 1: him a hundred fifty million dollars either That move was
46:42
Speaker 1: nuts and I'm I've always been a DK fan, but
46:45
Speaker 1: it's like, wait, John Schneider's getting rid of this guy
46:47
Speaker 1: at third contract. Well, Johnny asked for a trade. This
46:50
Speaker 1: is the NFL. This ain't fucking saint the NBA. Every
46:53
Speaker 1: GM and in football is like pat Riley. They do
46:56
Speaker 1: what they want to do, right, and there ain't no Lebrons.
47:00
Speaker 1: Your name's like Mahomes, No one's trading him anyway, or
47:02
Speaker 1: Josh Allen or Lamar or something like that. But yeah,
47:07
Speaker 1: definitely lack of dynamic kind of aggressiveness. And then when
47:11
Speaker 1: they do it, it's kind of like, what where did
47:15
Speaker 1: that come from? I think too, this guy when he
47:19
Speaker 1: was on was fucking complete badass, every bit as good
47:25
Speaker 1: of his as his brother. But this last contract with TJ.
47:28
Speaker 1: Watt looks I think sometimes you get a little emotional
47:33
Speaker 1: and you break a guy off. If he's not the same,
47:37
Speaker 1: that's that's a nightmare. So their talent's not quite the same.
47:42
Speaker 1: They've made some weird financial decisions they've kind of I
47:47
Speaker 1: do think, you know, the DK thing was a little
47:48
Speaker 1: out of left field. They typically trade those guys like
47:52
Speaker 1: Chase Claypool right, and obviously DK's a much better player.
47:55
Speaker 1: But my point is they've traded guys for high picks.
47:58
Speaker 1: They don't usually do that. Let Thinking off the top
48:00
Speaker 1: of my head, I guess, Minka, they traded a first
48:04
Speaker 1: round pick for him, which I thought was nuts at
48:06
Speaker 1: the time too. And I like Minca Fitspatrick, especially the
48:08
Speaker 1: version they got. They just do some They've made some
48:11
Speaker 1: big moves, they're just not the right big moves. So
48:14
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a specific reason. You know, Tomlin,
48:19
Speaker 1: the era just kind of ran its course. Coordinators weren't
48:23
Speaker 1: quite as good. Yeah, I mean, if you think you
48:27
Speaker 1: go back to when they were when Tomlin got there,
48:30
Speaker 1: and they were unreal. Wasn't Bruce Arians his offensive coordinator?
48:34
Speaker 1: Think about that. Bruce Arians was the guy's offensive coordinator,
48:37
Speaker 1: with Dick Lebow's defensive coordinator and Mike Tomlin leading the
48:42
Speaker 1: fucking team meeting rally in the troops. Pretty good coaching staff.
48:45
Speaker 1: That's you got. Dick Lebo, Bruce Arians, Mike Tomlin, Roethlisberger
48:50
Speaker 1: in his prime team stacked shocker. Kind of been downhill
48:54
Speaker 1: since wend on this To what extent does a team
48:58
Speaker 1: success or failure at produce Seeing draft quote hits and
49:02
Speaker 1: avoiding draft quote bus depend on player selection as opposed
49:07
Speaker 1: to player development. For instance, Seattle and John Schneider are
49:10
Speaker 1: regarded as excellent draft selectors, and rightfully so. But I
49:15
Speaker 1: rarely hear the possibility that perhaps most of their success
49:19
Speaker 1: comes from development. Similarly, are the Cardinals, for instance, actually
49:25
Speaker 1: that bad at drafting, or is there organization such a
49:29
Speaker 1: disaster they can't select players that succeed. Human beings, whether
49:34
Speaker 1: you're a football player or whether you're doing whatever you
49:38
Speaker 1: guys listening to this are doing, usually are more successful
49:42
Speaker 1: when you're around other successful people. If I take two
49:46
Speaker 1: finance guys and I put one with the league group
49:50
Speaker 1: at Goldman Sachs, who's locking up all these big deals
49:53
Speaker 1: and working with Warren Buffett, and I take another guy
49:56
Speaker 1: with a firm that's about to go bankrupt or have
49:59
Speaker 1: a rough couple of years. Who do you think is
50:01
Speaker 1: gonna come out better? Maybe the one guy so talented
50:04
Speaker 1: he just figures it out but easily could derail his career.
50:08
Speaker 1: Or even if the guy's just average talented, but he's
50:11
Speaker 1: a high character guy, he works hard. You put the
50:13
Speaker 1: guy in Goldman Sachs, he's probably gonna go on to
50:14
Speaker 1: have a successful career. If I take a guy and
50:18
Speaker 1: I put him in Seattle who has basically been a
50:20
Speaker 1: winning franchise now for fifteen years, or I put him
50:22
Speaker 1: in Green Bay or I put him in winning organizations,
50:25
Speaker 1: or I take a head case and I put him
50:27
Speaker 1: in a position group with a couple of pro bowlers,
50:30
Speaker 1: He's gonna be much more likely to have success. Where
50:34
Speaker 1: when I take guys and I put him on the Jets,
50:36
Speaker 1: you know, forever the Jags lost, they had a bunch
50:38
Speaker 1: of high picks. You put him with the Jacks, what
50:40
Speaker 1: do you think's gonna happen, You're probably not gonna have success.
50:44
Speaker 1: So I think a lot of people, in general, but
50:46
Speaker 1: specifically young talented people are products of their environment. And
50:52
Speaker 1: if you're around other successful people, an organization that's having
50:55
Speaker 1: successful seasons, a place that knows what they're doing, you're
51:00
Speaker 1: gonna be more likely to succeed. So and then a
51:04
Speaker 1: lot of it is personal. How focused are you? How
51:07
Speaker 1: hard are you willing to work like you have to
51:09
Speaker 1: do it? You know, development matters from your position coaches,
51:12
Speaker 1: but position coaches. How many position coaches are somewhere for
51:15
Speaker 1: a long time. Position coaches come and go all the time,
51:19
Speaker 1: coordinators come and go. I think a lot of it
51:22
Speaker 1: is the tone set by the head coach, the players,
51:25
Speaker 1: the general manager surrounds the roster with and then the
51:30
Speaker 1: culture is built through those human beings. So when you
51:33
Speaker 1: get to a place, you kind of fit in or
51:36
Speaker 1: you fit out good teams. Historically New England it was like,
51:40
Speaker 1: you're gonna go to New England, what are you gonna do?
51:41
Speaker 1: Act like an idiot? All these guys drafted in Kansas City,
51:45
Speaker 1: what are you gonna not practice hard? They practice hard
51:48
Speaker 1: every single day. It's like the requirement or you will
51:52
Speaker 1: get exposed. You start playing offense for McVeigh or Kyle,
51:55
Speaker 1: It's like, you better study your fucking playbook because if
51:58
Speaker 1: you don't, you will get lapped and you will not play,
52:01
Speaker 1: and they'll just move on with someone else who knows it.
52:04
Speaker 1: So the standards as some of these places are so
52:08
Speaker 1: high that even as it's really hard, if you're willing
52:12
Speaker 1: and have the right makeup, you kind of figure it
52:15
Speaker 1: out and then you get your opportunity maybe year one,
52:18
Speaker 1: maybe year three to kind of succeed, and then it's
52:21
Speaker 1: kind of on you when the lights are on the
52:23
Speaker 1: games start for you to as Charles Woodson used to say,
52:26
Speaker 1: work hard and make plays, right. I mean, that's what
52:28
Speaker 1: it kind of comes down to in the NFL. Make plays.
52:31
Speaker 1: Can you make plays or not? But have you put
52:33
Speaker 1: yourself in position, and these teams put these guys in
52:36
Speaker 1: position by their scheme, their practice habits, their position group.
52:44
Speaker 1: Jalen Carter was much more likely to succeed around Fletcher Cox,
52:47
Speaker 1: Brandon Graham, Jordan Davis than he would have been with
52:49
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals or the Atlanta Falcons. Look at James
52:54
Speaker 1: Spears now, his thing happened after it might have happened anywhere.
52:57
Speaker 1: But that's probably a bad example. My point is there
53:01
Speaker 1: are so many variables that go into this. Sometimes it's
53:04
Speaker 1: as simple as like, this guy's just not good enough.
53:06
Speaker 1: So Solomon Thomas was drafted the third overall. Since leaving
53:09
Speaker 1: the Niners, he's bounced around between the Raiders, the Jets,
53:13
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, now the Titans. Before his career is over,
53:15
Speaker 1: he'll probably be on another team. Solomon Thomas gonna have
53:17
Speaker 1: like a twelve thirteen year career. Someday a ten to
53:22
Speaker 1: fifteen year old kid will meet Solomon Thomas when he's
53:25
Speaker 1: like fifty, and that kid will play football and that
53:28
Speaker 1: guy will tell him I played in the NFL for
53:30
Speaker 1: thirteen years, incredibly successful, super high character, guy's super smart.
53:36
Speaker 1: He just wasn't talented enough. To be the third overall
53:38
Speaker 1: pick Cleveland Ferrell who went to the Raiders, I think
53:42
Speaker 1: it pick four or five. Same time, he's gonna play
53:44
Speaker 1: in the league for a long time. He just wasn't
53:46
Speaker 1: talented enough. And then there are guys that are talented
53:48
Speaker 1: enough that just like can't figure it out right. And
53:53
Speaker 1: Andy Richards is a good example. Injuries doesn't understand like
53:58
Speaker 1: where Blitze like he just overwhelmed. And quarterbacks a little
54:01
Speaker 1: different because you gotta be able to process everything well.
54:04
Speaker 1: Some you know, d line like you either have the strength,
54:08
Speaker 1: the speed, the explosion, the bend offensive lineman. Same thing.
54:11
Speaker 1: Wide receivers you can get open, you can't. You can
54:13
Speaker 1: catch the ball, you can't. So most guys, a large
54:18
Speaker 1: percentage of guys can stick around for a long time
54:22
Speaker 1: if they if they work really hard, if they're tough,
54:26
Speaker 1: if they practice hard, if they take care of their bodies,
54:28
Speaker 1: they eat the right foods. That's the majority of guys
54:30
Speaker 1: that are picked. It's kind of on them now. They
54:33
Speaker 1: might be overdrafted or whatever, but if they handle their shit,
54:36
Speaker 1: they can play in the league. And then they're obviously
54:39
Speaker 1: the guys like Sa Kwon or Trent Williams or Justin Jeffers.
54:43
Speaker 1: They have like elite talent, right, and then they work
54:46
Speaker 1: hard and they try and they become great players. But
54:48
Speaker 1: most of the league is it's Almon Thomas. Some of
54:51
Speaker 1: those guys are drafting the first round. Some of them
54:53
Speaker 1: are drafting the six, and they just fucking figure it out,
54:56
Speaker 1: and they play for a long time, and they ad
54:58
Speaker 1: a couple of different coaches that believe them, and as
55:00
Speaker 1: they bounce around, they get jobs and they play and
55:03
Speaker 1: they rotate in the leak. So I think the majority
55:07
Speaker 1: of guys if back to what we said about following
55:10
Speaker 1: the right person, if you just handle yourself and be
55:13
Speaker 1: the best pro you can be, you can maximize your career.
55:18
Speaker 1: And there are clearly a lot of guys in the
55:20
Speaker 1: NFL that do not maximize their career. Whether it's work ethic,
55:25
Speaker 1: whether it's focus. It could be simple and I'm not
55:28
Speaker 1: acting like I'm Ken Shamrock here, but just aren't tough enough,
55:32
Speaker 1: like you kind of gotta be. This is a gladiator sport.
55:36
Speaker 1: You gotta be a little fucking off your rocker. You
55:38
Speaker 1: gotta be kind of nuts. You know that this is
55:41
Speaker 1: not a sport for offensive and defensive players that is
55:46
Speaker 1: for the weak minded. And you know, you know, physical toughness,
55:50
Speaker 1: like you gotta be pretty high. You can get by
55:53
Speaker 1: if you have like elite physical skills, right like DeShawn Jackson,
55:57
Speaker 1: he didn't need to be as tough as like the
55:58
Speaker 1: Watt brothers, but he's more of an outlier most receivers,
56:02
Speaker 1: like you gotta be willing to like get tackle a lot.
56:04
Speaker 1: Think how physical you have to be to be a
56:06
Speaker 1: running back or a guard or a d tackle. Some
56:09
Speaker 1: guys just don't have the toughness, you know, And it's
56:13
Speaker 1: it's a relative scale, Like you could think you could
56:16
Speaker 1: be tough relative to society, but relative to NFL players
56:19
Speaker 1: is not good enough. So it's it's hard. It's the hardest,
56:24
Speaker 1: you know in the NBA. Obviously you gotta have the skills,
56:26
Speaker 1: you gotta go shoot pass, but the genetic lottery you
56:30
Speaker 1: have to hit to even be in the conversation, the
56:32
Speaker 1: majority of the NBA is like six five to six nine.
56:35
Speaker 1: How many six seven guys do you know? Right? There
56:38
Speaker 1: are a ton of NFL guys that are five eleven
56:40
Speaker 1: six foot six foot one, so obviously they're really good athletes.
56:44
Speaker 1: But you wouldn't say, like genetic lottery. They're not shock.
56:48
Speaker 1: They're not like Anthony Davis or Lebron even Steph Curry
56:51
Speaker 1: small he's six three and a half. Draymond Green's undersize,
56:55
Speaker 1: he's sixty six. You know how many six six guys
56:58
Speaker 1: are in the NFL. So football, it's intangibles go really
57:04
Speaker 1: really far, really really far. Where baseball is a good example.
57:08
Speaker 1: I have some buddies that scout from Major league teams.
57:12
Speaker 1: It's not really an intangible sport. You either can paint
57:15
Speaker 1: the corner ninety seven or you can't. You either can
57:18
Speaker 1: hit the outside curveball or the inside slider you can't.
57:22
Speaker 1: It's a very skill based up golfs like that got
57:25
Speaker 1: high low character guys all over the PGA tour. You
57:28
Speaker 1: either can play golf at high level or you can't.
57:31
Speaker 1: In football, like not everyone's a great athlete at guard.
57:34
Speaker 1: Some guys are just tough as shit and will play
57:38
Speaker 1: through injuries and are just unfazed and smart as shit.
57:42
Speaker 1: It's it's a league that blends everything together and that's
57:46
Speaker 1: really separates a lot of people. It's why it's so hard,
57:49
Speaker 1: you know, to play for a long time, because you
57:53
Speaker 1: gotta be mentally and physically smart and tough. The volume