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Remembering A Man Murdered by Hospital Protocols- Heidi's story of her Dad · Wellness Uncensored

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Speaker 2: how this show got started was because of all the
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Speaker 2: injustices done during the pandemic. I myself was involved, and
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Speaker 2: I won't say victim, but I was definitely victimized and
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Speaker 2: I managed to survive. And that was my one wish
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Speaker 2: was that if I did make it out, that I
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Speaker 2: and our children's children, because what happened to us during
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Speaker 2: that pandemic, not only were we duped, we relied, misled,
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Speaker 2: and families were murdered, Yes, they were murdered. Mistreatment, miscare
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Speaker 2: or clinical coordination of care, failure to use medications that
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Speaker 2: dry and virtually create the demise of patient in the hospitals,
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Speaker 2: and again all because families were removed from the hospital
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Speaker 2: You guys can take a look at my story if
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Speaker 2: you behind the scenes, not just from my perspective as
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Speaker 2: an executive nurse leader across a hospital system, but my
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Speaker 2: personal story and recovery because no one wanted or knew
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Speaker 2: how to take care of me. At the time. So
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Speaker 2: I'm living proof to meet the odds. But at the
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Speaker 2: same time, the sad, really tragic part is a lot
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Speaker 2: of people were murdered. Today. We've got a too wonderful guests,
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Speaker 2: Heidi and Larry, who are going to tell you their
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Speaker 2: story of Heidi's father who was from Atlanta and I
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Speaker 2: may have this slightly off, but from Atlanta and just
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Speaker 2: what happened because he went into the hospital with a
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Speaker 2: urinary catheter infection, which is usually very easily treatable and
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Speaker 2: return home able, and just before he went home, they
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Speaker 2: decided to keep him and that stay led to his murder.
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Speaker 2: So I want to welcome Larry and Heidi come on
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Speaker 2: and join us into the show today. I'm so excited
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Speaker 2: for you guys to be here. Yeah, you look so cute.
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Speaker 2: I love you guys. So yeah, you know, we're going
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Speaker 2: to show a clip maybe at some point a little
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Speaker 2: bit later into the show, the video you have of
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Speaker 2: your dad. We're going to play that maybe while you're
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Speaker 2: talking or during the break, and tell us a little
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Speaker 2: bit about you guys, And I know what brought you
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Speaker 2: to the show today. What is it about you know,
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Speaker 2: your dad and what happens we'll kind of walk it
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Speaker 2: through a little bit and then at the end we'll
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Speaker 2: ask some questions. So feel free to kick us off
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Speaker 2: with what happened back in was this twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, my dad was just the greatest. He was the
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Speaker 3: love of light of our family and we all just
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Speaker 3: adored him. Real funny guy. He was a retired Atlanta
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Speaker 3: policeman and it just had an exciting career. We loved
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Speaker 3: his stories. Then went on with Delta and took us
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Speaker 3: all on trips and vacations everywhere and took us to Hawaii.
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Speaker 3: A great dad, but the story, and tragically he had
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Speaker 3: a stroke in his eight in the nineteen eighties, I
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Speaker 3: think it was eighty six, and he had to leave Delta.
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Speaker 3: But he had lived independently all these years and got around.
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Speaker 3: He just had a little paralysis and thirty percent use
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Speaker 3: in his right arm, so he couldn't really go back
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Speaker 3: to work. He always wanted to, that was his dream.
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Speaker 3: But he was was fiercely independent and drove around, did
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Speaker 3: everything on his own. And the swollen pross state started
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Speaker 3: over that summer he was misdiagnosed with back pain. That
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Speaker 3: it was a swollen pross state that it was mildly
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Speaker 3: swollen and as bladder got infected. It was October twenty
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Speaker 3: was it twenty twenty two when it first happened, and
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Speaker 3: we took him up to the Hedmont Faetteville Hospital in Fatteville, Georgia,
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Speaker 3: and he you know, did real well that you know,
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Speaker 3: the infection cleared and he went into like a little
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Speaker 3: therapy rehab for a few weeks. But I took him
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Speaker 3: back to my house and the bag was a problem.
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Speaker 3: They stuck them with this catheter bag and we couldn't
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Speaker 3: get them to the urologist because he was you know, oversized,
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Speaker 3: and he was using the wheelchair, and it was the
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Speaker 3: holidays and we left it on them. Unfortunately, the bag
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Speaker 3: kept getting infected and it was the third let's see,
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Speaker 3: two infections at home and they cleared and everything went well,
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Speaker 3: but this bag was a mess. I mean, I wouldn't
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Speaker 3: recommend it. He just did not do well with it.
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Speaker 3: And we finally got him back to the urologist and
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Speaker 3: I think it was was it February of twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 3: and he was doing great with home therapy, but every
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Speaker 3: time you get up to walking on his own and
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Speaker 3: getting around really well, then that bag would be infected.
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Speaker 3: So I told this urologist, I think we need to
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Speaker 3: get it off of them. But he said, well, with
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Speaker 3: his age and he's already got heart failure, this is
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Speaker 3: probably better. The nurse probably changed it wrong that you know.
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Speaker 3: He he really made light of the infection and I was,
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Speaker 3: you know, I wasn't thinking this was the right thing,
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Speaker 3: but not knowing what else to do. I found out
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Speaker 3: later they might could have did straight Katherin or laser treatments.
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Speaker 3: Now they do, but he had normal kidney function. It
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Speaker 3: was just a mildly swollen prostate. But it made to
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Speaker 3: make a long story short, it was he was doing
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Speaker 3: great with therapy. We were, you know, he was dancing
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Speaker 3: in the bar at the kitchen and he's got a
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Speaker 3: big sense of humor, and we were, you know, he
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Speaker 3: was eating good and getting stronger, and the therapy had
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Speaker 3: a little HEMI walker. So they were going to have
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Speaker 3: them going. They said probably another few week or so.
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Speaker 3: He was getting a lot stronger, so he was really determined.
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Speaker 3: But his bag he started acting confused. It was April
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Speaker 3: the third, twenty twenty three. He said, I've ordered a
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Speaker 3: pizza for y'all, and you know, I said, Daddy, you
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Speaker 3: haven't ordered a pizza. And the therapist was coming to
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Speaker 3: do exercises and I called up at the therapy I said,
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Speaker 3: something's off. He's he's talking confused, and they said, well,
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Speaker 3: just call, you know, take them up to the er,
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Speaker 3: get them checked out. And I was thinking at this point,
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Speaker 3: I don't want to go back to the hospital. He
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Speaker 3: didn't want to go back, and I started thinking, but
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Speaker 3: you know, Larry was working and busy, and he was,
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Speaker 3: you know, he's two hundred and thirty pounds, and I,
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Speaker 3: you know, I just I was scared to get him
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Speaker 3: in my car. I mean he could, he could step
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Speaker 3: up and down pretty good, but his balance was a
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Speaker 3: little off, so I was afraid he might fall. And
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Speaker 3: I said, well, maybe I should just call the ambulance.
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Speaker 3: So I called, and long story short, but you know,
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Speaker 3: it went good. The first few days. The infection cleared
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Speaker 3: and he was, you know, up again, up in his chair, eating,
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Speaker 3: you know, beating himself. He went and I was trying
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Speaker 3: to hold his drinks for him and he said, no, no,
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Speaker 3: you know, we were watching guns smoke. And this was
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Speaker 3: like April the tenth and they had called me the
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Speaker 3: case worker and said well, he'll be coming home in
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Speaker 3: a few days. We just want to monitor his heart.
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Speaker 3: But he was stable. His heart just was you know,
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Speaker 3: he had a FIBB. His heart was a little I'm
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Speaker 3: sure that I was told it was really aggravated from
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Speaker 3: the infection, and the cardiologist said, he'll probably just is
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Speaker 3: going to take time, you know, he can rest and
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Speaker 3: his heart function can go back up. He was about
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Speaker 3: thirty percent heart function normally and it started gotten, you know,
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Speaker 3: with that infection, fifteen percent, which is scary, you know,
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Speaker 3: and you were.
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Speaker 2: In the hospital with him at this time they were
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Speaker 2: letting you in.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this was April twenty twenty three, so the lockdowns
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Speaker 3: were over, and you know, I was pretty much staying
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Speaker 3: un till late at night about eleven ten, ever eleven,
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Speaker 3: going home, coming back in the early afternoon about twelve
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Speaker 3: thirty to one. But you know this this, you know,
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Speaker 3: I thought everything was going good. We love the nurses
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Speaker 3: he got, they were all, you know, the one nurse
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Speaker 3: helped them in the chair, and I mean he was
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Speaker 3: standing up pretty much on his own. I mean he
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Speaker 3: was pretty strong. And he set up and watched gun
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Speaker 3: smoke and we were laughing. He was talking to the
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Speaker 3: nurse about being a policeman and I mean everything. So
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Speaker 3: I had no reason to worry, I thought, you know,
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Speaker 3: and my dad said, well, just take me home. I
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Speaker 3: feel good. And he's very demanding and I said, well, Daddy,
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Speaker 3: they said they just want to keep you over a
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Speaker 3: couple of days, through the weekend maybe, and watch your heart.
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Speaker 3: And he said, I feel good. You get the damn car.
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Speaker 3: And he took his fist and slammed it and he
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Speaker 3: said they just want the money. And I said, but anyway,
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Speaker 3: so we just opted to stay. And I thought, what's
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Speaker 3: what's going to hurt? It's been good to him. And
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Speaker 3: but this new doctor came and his demeanor was just
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Speaker 3: not friendly. He was very quick on the phone and
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Speaker 3: he came in I think it was the next day,
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Speaker 3: and he called on the phone. He said, I said, well,
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Speaker 3: my dad's doing great. I said, I mean his speech
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Speaker 3: is coming back. He's talking more normal. And he said,
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Speaker 3: well that's yesterday. Let's see about the next day. And
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Speaker 3: he said he's old and he's weak, and he just
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Speaker 3: continuously would talk about his age, and you know, that
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Speaker 3: should have been a red light, but I thought, well,
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Speaker 3: you know, he's seventy eight. But I think he might
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Speaker 3: still have a few years left. You know, he's pretty determined.
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Speaker 3: And I kept bragging about his therapy. But later the
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Speaker 3: eleventh was when things turn went started really strange. This
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Speaker 3: out of town nurse came in. She was screaming at
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Speaker 3: him on the phone telling them to stay still. He
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Speaker 3: was wiggling in his bed and he was wanting up
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Speaker 3: in his chair to watch TV and she wouldn't get
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Speaker 3: him up. She said he's too big. I'm sure to
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Speaker 3: help and I said. She screamed at him and pointed
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Speaker 3: her fingers. She said, you set down, mister Flenning. I mean,
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Speaker 3: we're just real hateful and this is weird. And I
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Speaker 3: noticed he was getting diarrhea, and I said, you know,
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Speaker 3: as you know, I didn't notice diarrhea. I said, he's
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Speaker 3: wanting to get on the side comode. She wouldn't help him.
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Speaker 3: She said he's just gonna have to use it on
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Speaker 3: that map. She said, I'm too bad, is he He's
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Speaker 3: too big? And I said, well, this diarrhea is strange.
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Speaker 3: He kept getting it all through the day. Well, I
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Speaker 3: found out he had been given laxatives and opioids, and
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Speaker 3: you know that was probably some of that and then
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Speaker 3: she came in a little while later. She was wanting
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Speaker 3: to do a contrast X ray die on his abs.
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Speaker 3: She said, well, it's just routine, and I questioned. I said, well,
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Speaker 3: now he's not having problems, is he. He doesn't complain
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Speaker 3: about any pains or anything, and she said, no, but
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Speaker 3: it's routine. It should be safe. Nobody had it. You know,
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Speaker 3: it's very rare. So I found out later he shouldn't
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Speaker 3: have even been given that. It's not really recommended with
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Speaker 3: people with heart issue and ain't kidy function. Yeah, and
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Speaker 3: he had no fluids in his body. They took his
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Speaker 3: ivs from them, so you know, the fluids weren't safe.
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Speaker 3: And you know, I didn't know about any of this.
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Speaker 3: I'm not medically trained, and so I just let him
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Speaker 3: do the contrast. When he came back, he ate a
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Speaker 3: chick in dinner and some potatoes and everything seemed okay.
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Speaker 3: About thirty minutes later, his neck was swelling and he
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Speaker 3: couldn't breathe, and he goes I'd he get some help,
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Speaker 3: and it was like his face turned red. It was
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Speaker 3: uprightening and I took off, rinding down the hall. I
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Speaker 3: couldn't find that nurse. She took off like there was
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Speaker 3: a strange nurse. I said, please help, my dad can't breathe,
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Speaker 3: Please help, and she sent the respiratory crew. A big
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Speaker 3: group of them came running and they said, it looks
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Speaker 3: like an allergic reaction to the content. Yeah, and then
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Speaker 3: they so he settled down, but he had two more
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Speaker 3: attacks the same thing. His necks well, and about eleven o'clock,
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Speaker 3: you know, he didn't feel like eating anymore. But he
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Speaker 3: drank a little water and they put a little I
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Speaker 3: think a little breathing canular, and you know, he was
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Speaker 3: feeling good. He was alert. He said, well, don't worry
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Speaker 3: about me. You go on home. What you know, I'm
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Speaker 3: gonna watch Perry Mason. So and I said, well, I said,
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Speaker 3: I kind of worry about this, but if you're feeling okay,
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Speaker 3: and he looks stable, and then the nurse assured me, well,
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Speaker 3: you know, we're watching him. So I went on home
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Speaker 3: and that morning he called about nine I guess this
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Speaker 3: would have been the twelve, okay, twelfth April, and he
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Speaker 3: and he was real panicky. He said, heiy haiie and
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Speaker 3: and then he hung up the phone. And I thought
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Speaker 3: that was strange. And then I hurried up there. I
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Speaker 3: ate a little breakfast and it was about twelve thirty one.
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Speaker 3: I got there and he had a bypath blowing real
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Speaker 3: hard on him, and he was honked out. And the
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Speaker 3: nurse respiratory came in. She said, this will be good
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Speaker 3: for his heart and lungs. He just needs a good rest.
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Speaker 3: She said, you know he's he's sleeping real good. And
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Speaker 3: she assured me that that was real good for him.
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Speaker 3: And Larry came in a little while later and asked,
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Speaker 3: and they said the same thing. But he was filling
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Speaker 3: up with a lot of fluid. And I'm remember this
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Speaker 3: little young nurse. She was real sweet. She had just
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Speaker 3: been she was an intern, and she was scared and
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Speaker 3: she said, this is real strange. He's got all this
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Speaker 3: fluid on him. I said, they're not giving him my v's.
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Speaker 3: I said, is he eating? She said, well, he ate
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Speaker 3: a little apple sauce and part of the banana. And
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Speaker 3: she said, but with this fluid. We you know, I'm
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Speaker 3: told not to give them any ivs. Well that seemed
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Speaker 3: a little odd, but I thought, well they you know,
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Speaker 3: I thought they were taking care of things. And I
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Speaker 3: told him all about the contrast, and I told the
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Speaker 3: doctor on the phone. I didn't see them, but I
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Speaker 3: mentioned it and he was just very quiet, didn't say
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Speaker 3: a word about it. I said, well, could that be
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Speaker 3: what's going on with his heart now filling up with fluid?
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Speaker 3: And he didn't really say anything. I mean, I just
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Speaker 3: assumed they were you aware of it. So I thought, well,
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Speaker 3: maybe this BiPAP thing is good for him and he'll
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Speaker 3: rest today. But it just stayed on him and from there,
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Speaker 3: I think the thirteenth, early in the morning, the doctor
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Speaker 3: colin and said, well, now he's tested positive for COVID
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Speaker 3: nineteen and I said COVID. I said, wait a second,
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Speaker 3: I thought COVID was over. I said the lockdowns and
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Speaker 3: I didn't know COVID was going on. And that's when
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Speaker 3: things started to get fishy because we heard all this
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Speaker 3: stuff going on with COVID, and all I knew was
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Speaker 3: rend a severe and the venting. I didn't, but we
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Speaker 3: found out later from the records that he had been
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Speaker 3: drugged with opioids, laxatives, big dose. It was doses of
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Speaker 3: all sorts of drugs combined and several different antibiotics, all
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Speaker 3: of them said not for the respiratory, not for your heart.
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Speaker 3: Failure and then along with it said that the BiPAP
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Speaker 3: was ordered to stay ninety percent or higher at all times.
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Speaker 4: Wow.
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Speaker 3: And then this other drug he was given that as
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Speaker 3: it wasn't even for that one right there, Larry could
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Speaker 3: pronounce it.
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Speaker 4: Uh impegged flawsm I guess.
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Speaker 3: Impact and that was it was a diabetes drug, but
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Speaker 3: it causes fast heartbeat, weakness, confusion, loss.
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Speaker 2: Of And was your dad diabetic?
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Speaker 3: No, he wasn't diabetic. And then he was given high
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Speaker 3: blood pressure peels mixed in. And then this other drug.
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Speaker 3: He was given large doses of true doesol from the
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Speaker 3: twelfth all the way through the look like the fifteenth
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Speaker 3: which makes you lose your speech.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And did he have any allergies? Did he ever
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Speaker 2: say he had allergies to like shellfish or anything. I
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Speaker 2: don't know. So because those contrast dies, they can become
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Speaker 2: highly allergic and sometimes they don't know. But if a
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Speaker 2: person has a history to any type of either a
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Speaker 2: prighor history to an ivy the ivy dye or shellfish,
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Speaker 2: it can be very or iodine type products. So it's
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Speaker 2: interesting that you know, maybe they didn't know, but now
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Speaker 2: they triggered this allergic response and he's got all this inflammation,
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Speaker 2: and instead of calming down the inflammation, they're drying him out.
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Speaker 2: So it's taking longer for this stuff to exit his tissues,
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Speaker 2: and they're shutting down the ability of his kidneys to
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Speaker 2: push it out by not giving him enough fluid. What
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Speaker 2: happened after that? How quickly did things turn them? Were
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Speaker 2: you in the hospital room to see him at this point?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: They I would go and stay all day, and he
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Speaker 3: was still responding and able to talk a little bit,
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Speaker 3: and like he was aware of everything that he was
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Speaker 3: just getting weaker and weaker, and he actually even I
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Speaker 3: mean was still getting up on the side of his
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Speaker 3: bed trying to do these little physical therapy exercises with
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Speaker 3: that biopath on them and kicking his legs, and he
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Speaker 3: said he was asking for water a couple of times,
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Speaker 3: and he asked to go go home, and he was
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Speaker 3: asking the last that I talked to him, he was
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Speaker 3: asking about his cat and wanted to We had put
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Speaker 3: a little chair up for him, one of those electric
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Speaker 3: chairs for the living room, a big recliner, and he
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Speaker 3: was asking about that. I mean, he was still aware
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Speaker 3: of everything, but he was just, you know, talking a
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Speaker 3: lot less calling my name and you know flow, yeah,
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Speaker 3: and even getting up on the side of the bed
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Speaker 3: with the high flow mask on him and kicking around
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Speaker 3: and really determined to go Homeie hum the Rocky theme
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Speaker 3: because we were extising at home to Rocky. And then
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Speaker 3: you know, they just called me on the was it
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Speaker 3: the sixteenth Sunday and that morning he said he's just
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Speaker 3: not gonna make it through the night. He's going downhill.
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Speaker 3: He's in a decline. And he said, just come say
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Speaker 3: you're goodbyes. I mean, just kind of cold about it,
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Speaker 3: and we both I went up there and said all
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Speaker 3: day till it would you know, it got about eleven
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Speaker 3: at night and his heart really started, you know, tracking
20:05
Speaker 3: his blood pressure went down. But you know, they sent
20:09
Speaker 3: the hospice and we're really pushing to do the palliative
20:12
Speaker 3: care hospice and I really didn't you know, I didn't
20:16
Speaker 3: know anything about all this. But they had comfort care
20:19
Speaker 3: on his board for several days, like they had and
20:23
Speaker 3: looking back, they had kind of tricked us into that
20:26
Speaker 3: do not recescitate. They came in when he was doing
20:30
Speaker 3: really good, and that was another day that he was
20:34
Speaker 3: doing great and stable, and they told us it was
20:37
Speaker 3: better to put him on do not recescitate with his
20:40
Speaker 3: heart like that. And he said if if he had
20:43
Speaker 3: an event, he would be a vegetable. They'd break all
20:46
Speaker 3: his ribs and there wouldn't be any hope. And my
20:49
Speaker 3: dad was the one that just said, well, just put
20:52
Speaker 3: it on, do not resuscitate. I don't want to be
20:54
Speaker 3: a vegetable. So that was how we got and I
20:57
Speaker 3: didn't even know anything about that. I was just up
21:01
Speaker 3: there with no advocate, all alone. My mom had been
21:04
Speaker 3: sick a few weeks before, so she had actually been
21:08
Speaker 3: in the hospital with her heart stints, and so she,
21:13
Speaker 3: you know, she totally trusted him. She said, he's in
21:15
Speaker 3: good hands up there, and you know, but things got
21:18
Speaker 3: ugly the last few days. There was a few really
21:21
Speaker 3: hateful nurses that came in and one wouldn't even say
21:25
Speaker 3: a prayer. There was one really sweet assistant nurse that
21:29
Speaker 3: helped brush his teeth and he was having I guess
21:32
Speaker 3: the thrust coming up or that fluid coming up out
21:35
Speaker 3: of his throat, and he asked for us to brush
21:37
Speaker 3: his teeth and she was very worried about daddy, and
21:41
Speaker 3: she said a prayer. And so there were in the
21:43
Speaker 3: middle of it, you would meet a few good ones,
21:46
Speaker 3: but it was like they sent the vultures in at
21:48
Speaker 3: the last and they were horrible. I mean that he
21:52
Speaker 3: was just isolated. They made us garb up with all
21:55
Speaker 3: the mask and everything, and we still weren't sure that
21:59
Speaker 3: he had COVID. I was I was confused because I
22:02
Speaker 3: didn't see any signs of like flulight symptoms, but he
22:06
Speaker 3: just got weaker. And then after we got the records
22:09
Speaker 3: and we saw all the big cocktails of drugs, and
22:12
Speaker 3: I didn't even understand oxygen flow. But you know, some
22:16
Speaker 3: people in the group explained that after I felt the
22:19
Speaker 3: groups later, and I mean, it all made sense that
22:23
Speaker 3: this was being planned. It just seemed very sinister. And
22:27
Speaker 3: he passed away April seventeenth, and a big light came
22:32
Speaker 3: through the window, sunbeaten, and hit right over them. I
22:34
Speaker 3: mean it was you couldn't have even planned that. That
22:37
Speaker 3: just seemed odd. And his heart went off the monitor,
22:40
Speaker 3: and I mean, he was the best thing that ever
22:43
Speaker 3: happened to me. And I tell you, for somebody that
22:46
Speaker 3: good to have this happen and be treated that way,
22:49
Speaker 3: and I just I couldn't. I had to speak out.
22:52
Speaker 3: Larry that doctor came in the room and that was
22:56
Speaker 3: the first time I met him person, and he just
22:59
Speaker 3: walked in and said, well, you know, he said he
23:01
Speaker 3: wanted to go home and old people know when it's
23:03
Speaker 3: time to die. And he and said, well, you don't
23:07
Speaker 3: control everything. Because I kept talking about wanting to take
23:11
Speaker 3: him home. I said, well, hey, he's doing great with
23:13
Speaker 3: therapy and he's trying. I said, I'm not going to
23:16
Speaker 3: give up.
23:17
Speaker 4: You know.
23:18
Speaker 3: He had mentioned something about sending my dad to a
23:21
Speaker 3: nursing home and I said, no, I'm not sending them
23:24
Speaker 3: to a nursing home because I don't feel like he'll
23:26
Speaker 3: get enough hair. And I said, I, you know, I'm
23:30
Speaker 3: not working right now, so he can stay with me
23:33
Speaker 3: and I'm going to help him. And I said, heck,
23:35
Speaker 3: he did everything for me growing up, and I'm not,
23:38
Speaker 3: you know, turning my back on him. I mean, I said,
23:42
Speaker 3: I think he would if he went to a place
23:44
Speaker 3: like that, he would have gave up. And he didn't.
23:47
Speaker 3: I said, he's fighting too hard. So I said, if
23:50
Speaker 3: I get the catheter bag straightened out, I think that's
23:53
Speaker 3: the root of all of this, you know, which I
23:55
Speaker 3: kept trying to tell everybody, but they were easy, tom
24:00
Speaker 3: Off and just I think he just was that low
24:02
Speaker 3: hanging fruit.
24:03
Speaker 2: You know us and you know you were there at
24:06
Speaker 2: the time when they were allowing families back in. But
24:09
Speaker 2: when I want our listeners to know and some of
24:10
Speaker 2: the stuff you guys probably have learned. But you know,
24:13
Speaker 2: first of all, when you have a reaction like that
24:15
Speaker 2: to the IV die, they should have provided more, you know,
24:20
Speaker 2: medication and fluids to flush it out of his body
24:24
Speaker 2: and to calm the inflammation. Instead, it sounded like they
24:26
Speaker 2: gave him cardiac drugs. They gave him diabetic drugs, probably
24:29
Speaker 2: because it sugar spiked again, it could have been a
24:32
Speaker 2: whole complete metabolic reaction. But then the push, the push
24:36
Speaker 2: to make him do not resuscitate and pallid of care
24:41
Speaker 2: that everybody needs to know was the hospital's way to
24:45
Speaker 2: continue to generate funds because we did not get reimbursement
24:50
Speaker 2: after January of twenty twenty three for COVID like we
24:55
Speaker 2: did before. So after January twenty twenty three, the goal
24:59
Speaker 2: was to make people palliative care, do not resuscitate, put
25:02
Speaker 2: him in a spot in the hospital that's basically the
25:05
Speaker 2: area where they're just going to pass away. Section or
25:08
Speaker 2: get him out of the hospital. But a lot of hospital,
25:11
Speaker 2: a lot of facilities were overrun. The nursing homes, they
25:14
Speaker 2: were full. They all had waves of COVID patients and
25:17
Speaker 2: they weren't accepting patients.
25:19
Speaker 3: So what better way.
25:20
Speaker 2: Than for a hospital to convert the code, the diagnostic
25:24
Speaker 2: code making palliative care. Now he doesn't show up on
25:27
Speaker 2: the books, you know, where they would get reimbursement. And
25:30
Speaker 2: then the other part of that, the doctor, the doctor
25:33
Speaker 2: that commented that you don't get to decide. He didn't
25:36
Speaker 2: even listen to your dad, and you were there for
25:38
Speaker 2: days and the first time you saw him was when
25:40
Speaker 2: your dad passed. That's incredible, That's absolutely incredible. I know
25:46
Speaker 2: one person had just asked about, you know, why were
25:48
Speaker 2: they giving all of these meds? Did anybody ever explain
25:50
Speaker 2: to you what their thoughts were why they gave these meds?
25:54
Speaker 2: Did you ever get answers from the docs or the nurses.
25:57
Speaker 4: Now, because really we didn't even know about it. Killed
26:00
Speaker 4: after he passed away, and that's when we got the
26:03
Speaker 4: records and found out given him because like she said,
26:07
Speaker 4: he went in on the third and by the tenth
26:10
Speaker 4: they were already talking about let them go home because
26:13
Speaker 4: they cleared the infection. But then the leventh when they
26:17
Speaker 4: did the contrast die you know, he had that reaction
26:20
Speaker 4: and all that, and even on the hospital records they
26:24
Speaker 4: actually change. If you go to the records now, they
26:27
Speaker 4: have that listed as the seventh No incidents of his reactions, it's.
26:34
Speaker 3: Just event all that's mentioned.
26:39
Speaker 4: Three nebulizers that night, but nothing about it. You changed
26:43
Speaker 4: the date on it.
26:45
Speaker 3: Why Yeah, the building, it's on the building where they
26:48
Speaker 3: build the nebulizers.
26:50
Speaker 4: And because then the catheter, I mean, but after at
26:54
Speaker 4: the eleventh, like you said, the twelfth anak and then
26:58
Speaker 4: we went and he was on the bib at you know,
27:02
Speaker 4: then it was pretty much downhill. But we saw on
27:05
Speaker 4: the records that on the tent, it's when they started opioids, laxatives.
27:12
Speaker 4: There was pid blood pressure matage when he really had
27:16
Speaker 4: low blood pressure. Yeah, that all started on the tent
27:20
Speaker 4: and then one doctor, but then the elevens when the
27:24
Speaker 4: final doctor took over, and I mean it.
27:28
Speaker 2: Was downhill from there, you know, And I don't know.
27:31
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what I want our viewers to understand.
27:34
Speaker 2: Documentation medical records shouldn't be touched or changed. And if
27:37
Speaker 2: you're not paying close attention to what goes on with
27:40
Speaker 2: your loved one at the time. We put so much
27:42
Speaker 2: trust in faith and we don't question and when the
27:45
Speaker 2: sequence of events doesn't line up. That's why it's so
27:48
Speaker 2: important to get that medical record and do your own
27:51
Speaker 2: chronological listing of signs and symptoms that you see in
27:54
Speaker 2: your loved one, because again, I've been in these situations
27:58
Speaker 2: and the medical record while the chart is still open,
28:02
Speaker 2: meaning the patient still in the hospital. Not that it
28:04
Speaker 2: should be done, but it can be done, and for
28:08
Speaker 2: right reasons. You can put addendums in there, you can
28:11
Speaker 2: add things that perhaps maybe you forgot, but changing it.
28:15
Speaker 2: While it can be done, it absolutely should not be done.
28:19
Speaker 2: And that's the problem with all the technology we have
28:22
Speaker 2: with the electronic records, because so much can be manipulated.
28:26
Speaker 2: And from that whole pandemic twenty twenty forward, there has
28:30
Speaker 2: been so much manipulation of data. It's astounding that we're
28:34
Speaker 2: all sitting here sort of dumbfounded while the world of
28:37
Speaker 2: chaos and medical madness continues. And this was twenty twenty three. Really,
28:43
Speaker 2: when we were back out, we were mass mandates were lifted,
28:46
Speaker 2: families were back allowed in to see their loved ones.
28:49
Speaker 2: But yet the turmoil, the craziness, and the just the
28:53
Speaker 2: misinformation and the deception still continued. And from what you
28:57
Speaker 2: guys shared, we deal a lot with patients come in
29:00
Speaker 2: with catheter fully catheter infections, and they typically are not
29:05
Speaker 2: going into a sepsis state. Some people may know about,
29:08
Speaker 2: well what sepsis, maybe he was septic. Well, generally, if
29:11
Speaker 2: you get into the hospital and you take care of
29:13
Speaker 2: something like that, you're on an antibiotic. Once you're on
29:16
Speaker 2: an antibiotic, you're usually in a pretty safe place. This
29:19
Speaker 2: all seemed to turn the minute they decided to run
29:22
Speaker 2: what I would say perhaps unnecessary medical test, and in
29:26
Speaker 2: doing those medical tests, which would have inflated the bill,
29:31
Speaker 2: could have increased the reason to keep him, because that's
29:33
Speaker 2: the other thing they do, literally every day, all of
29:36
Speaker 2: the larger even the smaller organizations, they do these utilization
29:41
Speaker 2: review meetings and they go chart by chart because patients
29:44
Speaker 2: are only paid for a certain amount of days in
29:47
Speaker 2: the hospital, and so if your dad could have been
29:50
Speaker 2: discharged in two or three days, but for some reason
29:53
Speaker 2: they decided, well, you know, he's kind of okay, but
29:56
Speaker 2: we could run a few more tests I would love
29:58
Speaker 2: to believe that they were really check them over to
30:00
Speaker 2: make sure for something important, but I'm not quite sure
30:02
Speaker 2: why they would have necessarily needed to do the test.
30:05
Speaker 2: But the mistake came when they gave him the dye.
30:08
Speaker 2: And although that was perhaps an honest mistake because he
30:11
Speaker 2: didn't know that he had an allergy to either shellfish
30:15
Speaker 2: or iodine or any type of contrast eye, it does
30:19
Speaker 2: appear like it was covered up. And why would you
30:22
Speaker 2: cover it up? Because they did not want to be
30:24
Speaker 2: deemed with doing anything wrong, and they couldn't fix the mistake.
30:28
Speaker 2: And then your dad fighting it perhaps did start to
30:31
Speaker 2: have some metabolic irregularities, and so instead of just clearing
30:35
Speaker 2: him out, hydrating him, treating the inflammation, they decided to
30:40
Speaker 2: just play around with his heart rate, his blood sugar,
30:43
Speaker 2: and again those could be temporary situations of the body
30:46
Speaker 2: trying to stabilize itself. They started throwing these gargantuan medications
30:50
Speaker 2: at it, and your dad, at his age, was like,
30:53
Speaker 2: you know, the body gets a little out of sorts,
30:54
Speaker 2: just like we talked about on here a lot about
30:56
Speaker 2: how when the brain gets out of sorts, we don't
30:59
Speaker 2: just like go after or the one thing. You want
31:01
Speaker 2: to find the root. And for your dad, first it
31:04
Speaker 2: was the eurosepsis, then it was the the allergic reaction,
31:09
Speaker 2: and instead of dealing with that, they wanted to push
31:12
Speaker 2: that under the covers and then started treating him as
31:14
Speaker 2: if he was a COVID patient. Why because his levels
31:18
Speaker 2: were probably up and they just made assumptions that, oh,
31:21
Speaker 2: he must have COVID And there's so many false positives
31:25
Speaker 2: with those COVID tests. They even talked about those PCR
31:27
Speaker 2: tests completely worthless. Whether that test came back positive or not,
31:32
Speaker 2: chances are he was just testing positive because of the
31:36
Speaker 2: inflammation he had in his body from the eurosepsis and
31:40
Speaker 2: the allergic reaction. So it's just sad they murdered your dad.
31:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he lost thirty pounds in that fourteen days
31:50
Speaker 3: he was there in them and he also on his records,
31:55
Speaker 3: I mean just a little mention that you know, they
31:57
Speaker 3: came in with some opioids and he was hiding opioids
32:01
Speaker 3: under his pillow from the nurse, and she came in
32:04
Speaker 3: and said she lectured him about his pain management, and
32:08
Speaker 3: he tried to He told her he'd take him later,
32:11
Speaker 3: but he went ahead and took it those copioids.
32:14
Speaker 2: Why were they giving him opioids? Did your dad ever
32:17
Speaker 2: say he had pain?
32:18
Speaker 3: No, he never complained about pain.
32:20
Speaker 4: Why I just started that on the tent. Yeah, contrast,
32:24
Speaker 4: now started on the leven. They started the opioids, laxes
32:28
Speaker 4: and stuff on the tent. I think on the tilt
32:30
Speaker 4: they started even giving him the rectal talinol.
32:33
Speaker 2: And now, oh, let's talk about titan all. So first
32:36
Speaker 2: they gave him the opioids. And what do you think
32:38
Speaker 2: medications do to older people? They have this cumulative effect.
32:43
Speaker 2: So sometimes when you give something and then you give
32:46
Speaker 2: something again, you give something again, it tends to layer
32:49
Speaker 2: and cause a little bit more of a saturation, if
32:52
Speaker 2: you will. So now we've got an older man, he's
32:56
Speaker 2: going to be less likely to disagree with us. So
32:58
Speaker 2: when we ask him, might be very curious when they
33:00
Speaker 2: asked him about making the DNR, because if he did
33:03
Speaker 2: have opioids in the system, he was actually under the
33:06
Speaker 2: influence of a narcotic an opioid and probably shouldn't have
33:11
Speaker 2: given his own consent and should have looked to the
33:14
Speaker 2: next power of attorney, and you could have decided, and
33:18
Speaker 2: you would have decided no. So see they manipulated you,
33:22
Speaker 2: They manipulated him, They lied. And then beyond the opioids,
33:26
Speaker 2: the thilanol. We've heard about thailanol a lot recently. It's
33:30
Speaker 2: not just for pregnant moms. Thilanol, and especially as a suppository,
33:36
Speaker 2: he gets right into the bloodstream. It's more potent that way.
33:39
Speaker 2: Thilanol turns off your glucathion, and glucathion is the only
33:44
Speaker 2: thing we have in our body that works in the
33:46
Speaker 2: liver to detoxify and get rid of all the extra
33:50
Speaker 2: stuff that's in there. So they turned off his ability
33:53
Speaker 2: to detox all the stuff in his body. They oversedated him,
33:58
Speaker 2: they dried him out, They did nothing to help save him.
34:03
Speaker 2: That just seems a little bit like a premeditated murder. Yeah,
34:08
Speaker 2: very poor care, but definitely a plan.
34:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I remember the doctor actually called one day
34:15
Speaker 3: when they started drugging him and these drugs said they
34:18
Speaker 3: would make your you know, make you confused and take
34:22
Speaker 3: your speech away. And he actually said, well, he can't
34:25
Speaker 3: even talk. He said, is that his baseline? And I said,
34:28
Speaker 3: well no, I said, you know, he talks fine, but
34:32
Speaker 3: of course when he's got that infection on that catheter,
34:35
Speaker 3: it just takes your voice. I mean it's straight into
34:39
Speaker 3: almost a dementia kind of like you know, he he
34:43
Speaker 3: knew I think he understood us, but you know, he
34:46
Speaker 3: would nod his head and kind of go yeah, you know,
34:49
Speaker 3: but he you could tell he was just weak and
34:51
Speaker 3: a little bit confused. But I mean he was still
34:54
Speaker 3: even that night before they gave him morphine, and I
34:57
Speaker 3: hate it. He was calling my name, and you know,
35:01
Speaker 3: I said, I didn't want to say goodbye, and I
35:03
Speaker 3: just said, well, you know, I love you, and I said,
35:05
Speaker 3: you'll be coming back home. And I smiled and he
35:08
Speaker 3: looked at me and he said like that, like he
35:12
Speaker 3: was angry and kind of sad in his eyes. Maybe
35:16
Speaker 3: there was a little bit of fear because you know,
35:18
Speaker 3: the unknown that I knew that something, I mean, what
35:22
Speaker 3: he wanted to tell me, I'll never know. But that
35:25
Speaker 3: stays with me. I mean, he was just he was
35:27
Speaker 3: my best Batty. I just miss him. I mean I
35:30
Speaker 3: talk about him all the time. But I'm I'm so blessed.
35:33
Speaker 3: I found the groups and I found you, Patty and
35:36
Speaker 3: all you're doing to help everybody, and well, thank you.
35:40
Speaker 2: We've got a great group. I mean, we love the
35:42
Speaker 2: Betrayal Project USA dot org. We've got their website down
35:47
Speaker 2: at the bottom of our page too today and anybody
35:49
Speaker 2: who has suffered from a loved one falling to the
35:52
Speaker 2: demise of medical care, I hate to even see it's
35:55
Speaker 2: directly related during the COVID pandemic because it is still happening.
36:00
Speaker 2: We talk with survivors of families or loved ones, spouses,
36:04
Speaker 2: anybody that feels like there was an injustice done in
36:08
Speaker 2: the hospital setting. And the group is pretty strong. We've got,
36:12
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of great stuff going on with
36:14
Speaker 2: them there. We've got support groups just about every night.
36:16
Speaker 2: And Heidi, it's so great to be able to have
36:18
Speaker 2: you even with the group because you're such a source
36:20
Speaker 2: of support to some of our older folks who've been
36:23
Speaker 2: with the group a while. You're just a bright light.
36:25
Speaker 2: And newer folks too that are kind of going through
36:28
Speaker 2: the same thing you guys have been dealing with with
36:30
Speaker 2: you know, a different family member or loved one. What
36:33
Speaker 2: do you want others to know, Like, if you could
36:36
Speaker 2: provide advice or suggestions to people when you've got a
36:39
Speaker 2: loved one, especially a parent, it's going into the hospital,
36:42
Speaker 2: what would you do maybe differently or what would you
36:44
Speaker 2: stand up for? What do you want the world to know?
36:47
Speaker 3: Yeah? Would I would definitely have an advocate. I mean
36:50
Speaker 3: there's a lot of free advocates. I didn't know. I
36:54
Speaker 3: thought the only advocate was the one at the hospital.
36:56
Speaker 3: I mean, I was so not trained on any any
37:00
Speaker 3: of this, and I definitely wouldn't sign any do not recessitate.
37:04
Speaker 3: I mean, especially if somebody's got any hope left and
37:09
Speaker 3: they're stable, you know, an alert talking, you know, just
37:14
Speaker 3: just and you know, have somebody else and another advocate
37:18
Speaker 3: to stay with those go over those records, constantly follow
37:22
Speaker 3: those charts, and I would even if there was any
37:26
Speaker 3: drugs that you didn't agree with, just just say no,
37:29
Speaker 3: it's okay, even if they're going to get mad at you.
37:32
Speaker 3: I thought if I didn't agree with everything they said
37:35
Speaker 3: that they might treat my dad worse, or if I
37:38
Speaker 3: asked too many questions. I mean I was very intimidated
37:41
Speaker 3: because I had no medical training. But I found out
37:45
Speaker 3: now it's okay to say no and question every drug,
37:48
Speaker 3: and if it looks like it's got too many side effects,
37:52
Speaker 3: that it's okay to just say no, we'll pass on that.
37:55
Speaker 3: And I mean they had ordered render severe for daddy,
37:59
Speaker 3: and he just said he was out of the window,
38:02
Speaker 3: that he was going to have a ten day dose
38:04
Speaker 3: of rendeesevir, and they opted for the decatron.
38:08
Speaker 2: I think instead, well they did him if they were
38:12
Speaker 2: there by not giving him rind death of her. Yeah.
38:16
Speaker 2: But the other thing you meant, Oh, what about your dad?
38:20
Speaker 2: You call him sparky? Right, Oh, you got my dad?
38:23
Speaker 2: Tell us about his background, because he did some pretty
38:25
Speaker 2: cool things in his life that you had shared with me.
38:27
Speaker 2: Tell me what those things were that he did.
38:29
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, he Well, he was with the Atlanta Police
38:34
Speaker 3: Department and his first job as a rookie was guarding
38:38
Speaker 3: Martin Luther King's funeral, and then he worked his grave side,
38:42
Speaker 3: and he worked at the King family home in Atlanta
38:47
Speaker 3: and got to know them a little and he met
38:50
Speaker 3: a lot of prominent people. Then he went to work
38:53
Speaker 3: at the airport as an Atlanta Police on security and
38:57
Speaker 3: he guarded and some of the presidents when they came through,
39:02
Speaker 3: Ronald Reagan and Nancy Reagan when he ran for president,
39:07
Speaker 3: and also Jimmy Carter, and he met he escorted Nixon's
39:12
Speaker 3: wife pat Nixon around and Rosalind Carter. So I mean
39:16
Speaker 3: he got to and he met Paul Newman, one of
39:18
Speaker 3: his favorite stars, so that all his friends knew him
39:22
Speaker 3: as Sparky, and he got into bodybuilding. He liked to
39:25
Speaker 3: wait lift and that kind of inspired me growing up,
39:29
Speaker 3: Me and my sister and we were Daddy's girls. And he,
39:33
Speaker 3: you know, because he was into fitness so much and
39:36
Speaker 3: always muscular, and he never did drugs, never drank. I
39:40
Speaker 3: mean he drank a beer occasionally, but he was very
39:43
Speaker 3: anti drug and I think that inspired us a lot
39:46
Speaker 3: to try to be healthy and just very loving. He
39:50
Speaker 3: loved to clown around and joke all the time, and
39:53
Speaker 3: he played football when he was a teenager. I mean
39:56
Speaker 3: everybody loved him. I mean he was hilarious, always joking
40:01
Speaker 3: and like to sing a little bit around the house.
40:05
Speaker 3: But he was very involved. I mean he even came
40:08
Speaker 3: to my school one time, and that's one of my
40:10
Speaker 3: favorite memories. I was so proud. I was my fifth
40:13
Speaker 3: grade class. He would come to schools and talk about
40:16
Speaker 3: being a policeman and he wore his uniform, and I
40:20
Speaker 3: mean I was like a hero for a couple of
40:22
Speaker 3: months after that because everybody was fascinated and he told stories.
40:27
Speaker 3: He worked in the Canine Unit too, with the police Department.
40:32
Speaker 3: That he just had so many great stories and I
40:35
Speaker 3: just hearing about growing up in the fifties and he
40:38
Speaker 3: was a big Elvis fan. And I watched Blue Hawaii
40:43
Speaker 3: ironically the night before he went to the hospital. I mean,
40:47
Speaker 3: God works in weird ways. But he was eating ice
40:50
Speaker 3: cream like a little boy and Blue Hawaii was on,
40:53
Speaker 3: and I could tell he was kind of tired. I
40:55
Speaker 3: didn't know he had infection. But he set up till
40:58
Speaker 3: real late with me Larry watching Blue Hawaii because he
41:02
Speaker 3: couldn't miss Elvis. But that was that was the last
41:05
Speaker 3: movie we all watched. So I think that's strange how
41:08
Speaker 3: that turned out. But and he ate a bunch of
41:11
Speaker 3: ice cream, so I thought he was just kind of tired,
41:14
Speaker 3: you know. But yeah, you know, but he didn't want
41:17
Speaker 3: to miss Blue Hawaii in fiction or not. Right.
41:20
Speaker 2: What a great memory though, And you know, I mean
41:23
Speaker 2: silly as it sounds, but I think maybe that could
41:25
Speaker 2: be really something. You know, when you watch watch some
41:27
Speaker 2: of the Elvis movies again, watch Blue Hawaii, you know,
41:30
Speaker 2: just have a little celebration like That's what I often
41:33
Speaker 2: tell There's no way to fix what's happened. There's no
41:36
Speaker 2: way to fix all these dests that have occurred, or
41:38
Speaker 2: malpractice or just bad medical care. But if you can
41:42
Speaker 2: lift up your loved one and tell their story and
41:44
Speaker 2: let their spirit live on, and then celebrate them when
41:48
Speaker 2: and wherever you can, I think that's really super important.
41:51
Speaker 2: We've got one last question. I do want to share
41:54
Speaker 2: that with everybody. Jacob asked, you know, do they have
41:57
Speaker 2: to tell you what they're giving and how do you
41:59
Speaker 2: know what they're actually giving? And that's a really good question.
42:03
Speaker 2: By law, yes, you're supposed to be informed. And when
42:06
Speaker 2: a provider or primarily a nurse comes in with medication,
42:10
Speaker 2: they are supposed to tell you, oh, mister Smith, this
42:13
Speaker 2: is what we're giving you. This is an antibiotic, and
42:15
Speaker 2: we're going to put in your iv or. This is
42:18
Speaker 2: an injection, and this is what it's used for to
42:20
Speaker 2: help you not have you know, your blood clotting, things
42:23
Speaker 2: like that. But I'll be honest with you, Larry or
42:26
Speaker 2: Jake and everybody else that's out there. You know, we
42:29
Speaker 2: often allow them to just do treatment on ourselves and
42:32
Speaker 2: our loved ones without asking those questions. And I think
42:34
Speaker 2: it's very important you need to know what they're giving you,
42:38
Speaker 2: and you may need to make them wait until you
42:41
Speaker 2: can check and see and find out for yourself if
42:44
Speaker 2: it's something that you should be getting and that that
42:46
Speaker 2: will definitely be for you know, another day and another
42:49
Speaker 2: show and learning a little bit more about informed consent
42:52
Speaker 2: and what are some of those questions you should be asking.
42:54
Speaker 2: But you know, even from from Heidi and Larry's case
42:58
Speaker 2: with her dad Sparky, they didn't really tell them. They
43:01
Speaker 2: just did, and then when they did some of the things,
43:04
Speaker 2: it raised questions for them. And you want to believe,
43:07
Speaker 2: or we wanted to try to believe that the medical
43:10
Speaker 2: providers all know what's best, but they're really just people
43:13
Speaker 2: like us, learning and training and studying, and they go
43:17
Speaker 2: by their past experience, and sometimes the past experience is
43:22
Speaker 2: learning from the failure to not make the same mistake.
43:25
Speaker 2: And in this case, I think they had a huge
43:28
Speaker 2: failure with Heidi's dad because they didn't really focus on
43:35
Speaker 2: the IV dye and the allergic reaction, and they used
43:40
Speaker 2: medications that you normally give to someone who's in pain,
43:43
Speaker 2: and he wasn't in pain, so they really dampened down
43:46
Speaker 2: his respiratory system. They compromised his metabolic system, and that
43:51
Speaker 2: obviously caused different changes in his body to react. And
43:55
Speaker 2: at his age and with all the things that they
43:57
Speaker 2: were kind of pushing into him, his body basically shut down.
44:01
Speaker 3: And he had one dose so than narcim I think, yeah,
44:06
Speaker 3: but I think it's like an overdose drug.
44:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, they give Narkian to him too. See, that's the
44:11
Speaker 2: only thing folks need to know. When they're giving arcan.
44:14
Speaker 2: It's usually because the patient's over sedated. And why would
44:18
Speaker 2: someone be over sedated if they weren't giving too much
44:21
Speaker 2: and he wasn't metabolizing it and if you're not hydrating.
44:25
Speaker 2: If you remember how I said, the medication has a
44:28
Speaker 2: cumulative effect, especially in older people because their metabolisms are slower.
44:32
Speaker 2: Then you dry them out and you don't let the
44:34
Speaker 2: fluids pass through to push it all out the kidneys.
44:37
Speaker 2: That's a great way for them to become over sedated.
44:39
Speaker 2: And they did an emergency drug of narkim so much. Yeah.
44:44
Speaker 3: I do remember asking the nurse a couple of times
44:47
Speaker 3: just you know what they were giving him, and she
44:50
Speaker 3: was like, antibiotics, And you know, I just assumed, well,
44:54
Speaker 3: I guess antibiotics are okay, But I was you know,
44:57
Speaker 3: I didn't ask enough, and I think it's now I
45:00
Speaker 3: realized it would have been okay to say, well, let
45:02
Speaker 3: me go, you know, talk to my husband and let
45:04
Speaker 3: me let me get back with you on this matter,
45:08
Speaker 3: you know, whatever you need to do. And I personally
45:12
Speaker 3: would wouldn't leave anybody alone again in the hospital. I
45:15
Speaker 3: mean at this time, I would pay. I would. I
45:18
Speaker 3: would have paid somebody to go up there and just
45:20
Speaker 3: went home and got my shower, a went right back,
45:23
Speaker 3: stayed the whole night, you know, because I don't know
45:26
Speaker 3: if it would have made a difference, you know, without
45:29
Speaker 3: you know, knowing the drugs they were given them. But
45:31
Speaker 3: if I would have been there in person, I even
45:33
Speaker 3: I just believe you have to guard over the at
45:36
Speaker 3: this point, it's just.
45:37
Speaker 2: You are absolutely right you do. And yeah, so I
45:41
Speaker 2: want to again thank you guys for being on today.
45:44
Speaker 2: I think this is going to do a world of
45:45
Speaker 2: good for just more stories getting out there so people
45:49
Speaker 2: know these are not isolated incidences. There are thousands of
45:53
Speaker 2: stories that we have on our Betrayal Project USA dot
45:57
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46:00
Speaker 2: thousands of stories that we have on there, and people
46:03
Speaker 2: can become part of the group. They can become part
46:05
Speaker 2: of the support groups. If you're hurting and you know
46:08
Speaker 2: from a loss of a loved one, our last question
46:11
Speaker 2: will probably not get a whole lot to tell you,
46:13
Speaker 2: but they did ask about you know, if you tell
46:15
Speaker 2: them no to one drug and they say they're giving
46:17
Speaker 2: you something different, how do you know it's not the
46:19
Speaker 2: first one. I mean, it can really come down to
46:22
Speaker 2: they should show you the label. And that's very easy
46:25
Speaker 2: to do because a lot of times these meds. First
46:27
Speaker 2: of all, the pills are pulled out of a little
46:29
Speaker 2: little packet and when they pull them out, it says
46:32
Speaker 2: what it is on the label. The IV medications they're
46:36
Speaker 2: not really supposed to be pre prepared, and the ones
46:39
Speaker 2: that do come pre prepared from the pharmacy, they're already
46:42
Speaker 2: labeled with what's in there.
46:43
Speaker 3: So if you request to.
46:44
Speaker 2: Read the label, that's one way to do a double check.
46:48
Speaker 2: Beyond that, like Heidi said, it's important to have an
46:50
Speaker 2: advocate or tell them you just want to hold because
46:54
Speaker 2: you want to call. You want to phone a friend,
46:56
Speaker 2: phone a provider, phone somebody that you know in the
46:58
Speaker 2: medical profession and ask question about a medication. We do
47:02
Speaker 2: have our phones at our fingertips, and you can google
47:05
Speaker 2: a medication before they allow it to give it to you,
47:07
Speaker 2: so that you can have an informed choice. You can
47:11
Speaker 2: ask for a patient advocate because typically every hospital has one,
47:14
Speaker 2: and if they don't have one, my next phone call
47:17
Speaker 2: would be to administration to say, I need a patient advocate.
47:21
Speaker 2: I need to speak to someone. They may give you
47:23
Speaker 2: somebody from quality or risk, and those folks know that
47:27
Speaker 2: if you don't feel you have informed consent, they are
47:30
Speaker 2: obligated to stop the line and they will let your provider,
47:34
Speaker 2: the administrative team know patient in two thirty four has
47:38
Speaker 2: some pretty important questions. We better just be real careful
47:41
Speaker 2: how we go. We'll have to follow up with that
47:43
Speaker 2: next time. Because behind the scenes in the hospitals, we
47:46
Speaker 2: used to do a lot of medical case reviews, and
47:50
Speaker 2: in those case reviews, that's where our legal team would
47:53
Speaker 2: have advised the team, Hey why did you do that? Hey,
47:56
Speaker 2: perhaps next time do this, And so there's a lot
47:59
Speaker 2: of learning going on behind the scenes. But they won't
48:02
Speaker 2: do that unless you ask questions and you stop the line.
48:05
Speaker 2: So again, I so appreciate you guys being here. We
48:09
Speaker 2: are out of time today, but again We're gonna have
48:13
Speaker 2: another story next week of another survivor, someone who's loved
48:17
Speaker 2: one was involved in a similar situation and was murdered,
48:22
Speaker 2: so I want to share that with everybody. Tune in
48:24
Speaker 2: next week. We've got one more story coming up because
48:26
Speaker 2: we're heading into the end of the year. We're going
48:28
Speaker 2: into another fresh new year. We want you to be armed, informed, healthy, well,
48:34
Speaker 2: and we want you to be able to have your
48:35
Speaker 2: loved ones around for a very long time. So it'll
48:38
Speaker 2: be another episode not to miss. So thank you, Heidi
48:41
Speaker 2: and Larry all the best, and Sparky, we're out there.
48:45
Speaker 2: We're lifting you up. You're an amazing man. Keep looking
48:48
Speaker 2: out for us down here, and thanks for tuning into
48:51
Speaker 2: wellness and censored. We'll see you next Thursday. You guys,
48:54
Speaker 2: hold tight, don't go anywhere.
48:55
Speaker 3: See you next week.
48:56
Speaker 2: Take care, Bye bye a