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The Shelf Life of a Break-Up with Kaitlyn Bristowe · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I almost famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 2: It's almost famous podcast. And honestly I would say this.
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Speaker 2: Ashley correct me if I'm wrong, but definitely we could
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Speaker 2: argue that our favorite person within the Bachelor franchise is
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Speaker 2: with us today.
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you're eliminating a lot of our friends,
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Speaker 3: which is kind of rude, but definitely, you know, somebody
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Speaker 3: on the.
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Speaker 2: Top of this, my friends. I don't even think about
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Speaker 2: it right now. I can't even name my friends.
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Speaker 3: Someone on your wedding guest list and mine and you
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Speaker 3: know I had you know, well, you had four hundred
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Speaker 3: people at your wedding, So I'm not sure what that says.
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Speaker 3: But I get my friends to my friends and yes,
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Speaker 3: she's here. She's wonderful, She's one of our favorites. It's
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Speaker 3: Caitlyn Burstow.
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Speaker 4: Wow, that was so nice. I didn't know you felt
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Speaker 4: that way about me. Ben, I like, I feel like
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Speaker 4: I always like poke your buttons or like press your buttons.
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Speaker 2: And oh you do, oh you do? Oh you made
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Speaker 2: me so mad.
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Speaker 4: Sometimes I make myself mad sometimes.
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Speaker 2: Goodness gracious, I try so hard to love you and
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Speaker 2: sometimes it's really hard.
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Speaker 4: Oh you guys, it's hard. I'm hard to love. Apparently
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Speaker 4: I'm learning that the hard way.
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Speaker 2: Okay, which is funny because on your season of the Bachelorette,
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Speaker 2: I was the one that told you that I felt
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Speaker 2: unlovable and I meant it and it has been a
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Speaker 2: marker on my life ever since. Then.
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Speaker 4: Well the tables have turned, my friend. You're now married
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Speaker 4: and I am not, and I feel unlovable.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just found a nice enough girl. She's sweetheart, Caitlin.
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Speaker 2: We're here for many reasons today. One, we just want
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Speaker 2: to catch up with you and hear about your life,
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Speaker 2: and you're always up to incredible stuff. I mean, I
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Speaker 2: think we're both in awe of what you've made and
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Speaker 2: done from this world. But also because publicly you've hated
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Speaker 2: me for the last like two months, I guess, and
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Speaker 2: I never knew about it, and then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 2: I did and we had to talk about it on.
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Speaker 5: It but also neither did anyone else.
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Speaker 3: And now you're just creating public drama because you happened.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, look at Bachelor Nation, what is it? Bachelor Nation? Gossip?
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Speaker 2: Scoop.
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Speaker 3: I think Scoop would know about this, But it's okay
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Speaker 3: because we do want you guys to chat about this hilarity.
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Speaker 4: I do you feel like Bachelor Nation scoop or like
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Speaker 4: those kinds of pages. I don't know why, but they're
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Speaker 4: following like like hates me to my core. And it's
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Speaker 4: so tough because anytime they post something, obviously I want
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Speaker 4: to partake in my own abuse and shop for Payton
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Speaker 4: and read all the comments and so I literally just like,
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Speaker 4: holy crap, people hate me. But it's so bizarre. But
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Speaker 4: I was like, okay, well you start. What was your
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Speaker 4: side of the story, Ben.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So here's my side of the story. So here's
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Speaker 2: a little background on how we got here today. And
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Speaker 2: it's not gonna be where we sit for the whole show.
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Speaker 2: It's not that important, and it really isn't. It's more funny,
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Speaker 2: and I do want to celebrate Kaitlin and everything she's
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Speaker 2: up to. But here's what happened. Here's my perspective. We
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Speaker 2: had a trip to Monterey, California a few months ago
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Speaker 2: that Ashley wasn't able to attend. Chris Harrison was there
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Speaker 2: with Lauren Zema. Wells was there because he lives there
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Speaker 2: with his brother. Dean and Kaylan were there. Jason was
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Speaker 2: there as an invitee Ashley can attest to this. Jason
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Speaker 2: was invited for many reasons. We don't always know who's
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Speaker 2: gonna be there though, like we don't always have control
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Speaker 2: of who the invite list. We just asked for people
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Speaker 2: that we like. I obviously am friends with Jason. That's
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Speaker 2: not a secret, doesn't need to be a secret, but
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Speaker 2: we have kind of during these times, like we all
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Speaker 2: sit in on each other's shows, we pound out a
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Speaker 2: bunch of shows at one time because we're all in
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Speaker 2: one space. So this evening that we're talking about, I
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Speaker 2: was on a show, Chris Harrison's show that he co
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Speaker 2: hosts with Lauren Zema, and Jason was the guest, and
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Speaker 2: so I was a part of this interview. Well, supposedly
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Speaker 2: this interview went sideways at some point. I'll be honest,
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Speaker 2: this was after dinner. I couldn't tell you two things
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Speaker 2: of what I said until I had to re listen
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Speaker 2: to it, but pretty much I remember sitting in that
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Speaker 2: room being like, here's a deal. I'm friends with Jason,
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Speaker 2: I'm friends with Caitlin. I know Caitlyn very well. My
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Speaker 2: job here is to get However, Jason's feeling out of
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Speaker 2: him and then sit in that and never pick sides.
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Speaker 2: There's no sides to choose here. I don't know what
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Speaker 2: side to choose. So that interview comes out and Bacheloration
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Speaker 2: Scoop does this thing where they show that Caitlyn is
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Speaker 2: very upset with somebody from the franchise, and I immediately
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Speaker 2: text Ashley Ashley did I not and say, Kaitlyn's not
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Speaker 2: mad at us, right, Like, I don't know why she
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Speaker 2: would be, but I just had this feeling that she's
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Speaker 2: mad at me.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I know. I was like I saw her like
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Speaker 5: a week and a half ago. I don't think it's us.
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Speaker 5: I think she would have texted me directly.
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Speaker 2: I would hope she would text me directly, Like I
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Speaker 2: hope she'd be like, hey, Ben, you're a jerk, Like
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Speaker 2: why would you do this to me on air publicly?
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Speaker 2: And so I was like, yeah, she can't be mad
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Speaker 2: at me. Well, then all of a sudden, the rumors start.
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Speaker 2: I get started needing these messages that like why, like
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Speaker 2: Caitlyn's so mad at you? And then some of them
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Speaker 2: are like how could you do this to Caitlin? Like
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Speaker 2: you're and I was like, I don't know what I
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Speaker 2: did to Kaitlin. So I had to relisten. I was like,
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Speaker 2: I didn't really do anything to Kaylin. I was like
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Speaker 2: very balanced here. So I had to text Caitlin and
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Speaker 2: I was like, Kaitlin, if I hurt you, I am
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Speaker 2: so sorry. The last thing I want to do in
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Speaker 2: my life is hurt Caitlyn Bristow. Kaitlin Bristow and I
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Speaker 2: can talk about her all day has a huge impact
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Speaker 2: on who I am as a person's to day and
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Speaker 2: a part of my story. I don't want to hurt Kaitlin.
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Speaker 2: And she said I didn't hurt her, and so then
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Speaker 2: we're like, well, I don't know what's happening here. So
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Speaker 2: that's when I'll transition to you, Caitlin. Is all these
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Speaker 2: rumors start swirling. You're upset about an interview that was done.
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Speaker 2: You felt hurt by it, which is fair, and I
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Speaker 2: don't want to take that away from you. But why
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Speaker 2: were people associating that with being upse with me?
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Speaker 4: Okay? So I think everyone by this point knows that
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Speaker 4: I wear all feelings on my sleeve and I just
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Speaker 4: like react with emotion and my feelings get hurt very easily.
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Speaker 4: And I think that's like a big misunderstanding about me.
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Speaker 4: People would always say, like, what is one thing people
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Speaker 4: wouldn't know about you? I think people think I'm like
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Speaker 4: really tough and like rough around the edges and like
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Speaker 4: shit doesn't bother me. But I actually am like really
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Speaker 4: sensitive and I've been going through like in the last
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Speaker 4: I would say, year, I feel like I'm somehow more
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Speaker 4: sensitive than I ever have been. And so what hurt me?
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Speaker 4: It wasn't you at all. You got looped into the
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Speaker 4: group because I was emotional and I was hurt by
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Speaker 4: other things, and you just happen to be there. So
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Speaker 4: I should have not said these three men, I'm so
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Speaker 4: angry blah blah blah. Should have said two of the
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Speaker 4: men were pissing me off, and I should have left
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Speaker 4: you out of it. But it was just I was
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Speaker 4: in this I don't know dark place and we all
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Speaker 4: know how like the doom scrolling goes, and how your
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Speaker 4: emotions can just like hit like rock bottom sometimes scrolling
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Speaker 4: and you start thinking, like what I was thinking is
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Speaker 4: how is this breakup still having this shelf life? And
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Speaker 4: then I heard Chris Harrison say, like, are you surprised
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Speaker 4: at how long this breakup is having his shelf life,
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Speaker 4: and I'm like, well, it's because we all keep talking
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Speaker 4: about it, and like the breakup with Sean is even
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Speaker 4: still having shelf life sometimes, like that's kind of the
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Speaker 4: nature of a bachelor relationship. So I understand that it
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Speaker 4: was more just like I think. I think Jason was
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Speaker 4: like outwardly so hurt and I was inwardly really hurting,
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Speaker 4: and he was allowed to have his emotions and process
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Speaker 4: that however he likes, so if he needs to talk
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Speaker 4: about it, go on podcast, do whatever. I was like
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Speaker 4: feeling like, Okay, I hurt him, but like internally I'm
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Speaker 4: really hurting, And it felt like I have gone through
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Speaker 4: historically so much drama, so much drama with Chris Harrison.
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Speaker 4: It just felt like I felt like we were finally
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Speaker 4: in a good place again. He's somebody that like I
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Speaker 4: looked up to as a mentor in my life, as
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Speaker 4: a father figure, as a friend, and we'd been through
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Speaker 4: so much through like the hosting stuff, and like we
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Speaker 4: kind of got back on the same page. And of
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Speaker 4: course I was at his wedding and I love Lauren
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Speaker 4: so much, and I felt like we were back in
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Speaker 4: this place where I don't know, I didn't expect, like
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Speaker 4: him to be like poking for you know, Jason to
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Speaker 4: come on and talk. And it just felt like like
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Speaker 4: I speak to Jason every once in a while because
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Speaker 4: of dogs, and he's like, you know, I talked to
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Speaker 4: Chris Harrison every day and he's really been there for me,
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Speaker 4: and it kind of felt like I'm still grieving this
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Speaker 4: friendship and relationship with Chris that I always thought I had,
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Speaker 4: and I just get so emotional over things, and I
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Speaker 4: think I just take it to social media sometimes when
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Speaker 4: I shouldn't. And I hate when people think I do
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Speaker 4: that for attention because I actually hate the attention that
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Speaker 4: comes from it because I get anxiety and then I go,
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Speaker 4: why did I do that?
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Speaker 2: Why did I do that?
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Speaker 4: But I'm just such an open book at all times,
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Speaker 4: and you know, you just never know what mood I'm
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Speaker 4: going to be, and I'm either soft, spicy, or mad.
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Speaker 4: And that day I was angry and I felt like
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Speaker 4: I was just hurting. I was just hurting.
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Speaker 2: I get I get where you're hurting. I know Chris
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Speaker 2: loves you a lot, and I know you respects you
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Speaker 2: probably very similarly to how he feels about me. I'm
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Speaker 2: sure he's been really upset with me at times, but
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Speaker 2: also finds me as a trusted, you know, partner at
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Speaker 2: some level within this wild franchise. So my question there is,
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Speaker 2: if you hate the attention, why do you do it?
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Speaker 4: I don't have an answer for that. I true, it's
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Speaker 4: I don't like the attention of trying to be a
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Speaker 4: victim or you know, like being on the Reddit or
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Speaker 4: whatever the where the negative people like to like hate
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Speaker 4: on me. I don't like that attention I like I clearly,
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Speaker 4: like anyone who goes on a television show, likes attention
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Speaker 4: to some degree. Of course, I like attention to some degree.
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Speaker 4: I like getting attention on my podcast. I like getting
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Speaker 4: attention on my social media in a positive light. Sometimes
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Speaker 4: it's just I can't be perfect and I can't nail
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Speaker 4: my emotions every time and how I react to things,
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Speaker 4: and I'm kind of just like a hot mess at times,
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Speaker 4: and that comes across and then I get the attention
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Speaker 4: that I don't like, and then I always learn from it,
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Speaker 4: because anytime I do something that backfires on me, it's
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Speaker 4: an opportunity for me to go, Okay, let's not do
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Speaker 4: that again, or let's learn from it. And I feel
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Speaker 4: like I've just been on this freaking healing journey of
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Speaker 4: like who I actually am and what I want and
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Speaker 4: it's been like such a roller coaster and to navigate
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Speaker 4: it all on social media. Because I'm such an open,
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Speaker 4: open person, it gets so confusing. Like I think I
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Speaker 4: confuse myself. I think I confuse people who follow me.
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Speaker 4: But I'm just I just am who I am, and
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Speaker 4: it's it's frustrating for myself sometimes.
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Speaker 3: I think when it comes to social media, when like
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Speaker 3: we vent about anything, it we like the fact that
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Speaker 3: we get support and like you get people relating to
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Speaker 3: you where it's like, oh my gosh, I've been there,
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Speaker 3: like and then you feel better about your whatever you're
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Speaker 3: venting about.
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Speaker 4: I mean, vulnerability creates connection. Community creates connection. Sometimes when
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Speaker 4: I'm feeling really low and I talk about my mental health,
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Speaker 4: I'm doing it for the attention of That sounds negative,
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Speaker 4: but really I'm doing it for like a sense of community.
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Speaker 4: Something that I love so much is the following that
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Speaker 4: I've built. I feel like I have like gained their trust.
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Speaker 4: I feel like they're a digital family. I feel like
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Speaker 4: I can share things. It's when it gets outside of
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Speaker 4: my like you know, supportive community that the noise gets
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Speaker 4: really loud and negative. But I just I love the
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Speaker 4: majority of people who follow me, and I feel like again,
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Speaker 4: I've just built this loyalty and share so much with everybody.
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Speaker 2: The part that I think is how this all comes
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Speaker 2: full circle really is you have built a community of
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Speaker 2: people since your time as a bachelorette that loves you
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Speaker 2: because you are life to them. You aren't like always
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Speaker 2: saying the right thing right. You aren't always like approaching
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Speaker 2: things in the perfect way, and then sometimes you absolutely
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Speaker 2: like are and like then you're learning from your mistakes,
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Speaker 2: and you're admitting to learning from your mistakes. The roller
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Speaker 2: coaster of life that all of us experience that all
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Speaker 2: of us know well that some of us hide from
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Speaker 2: the public. You aren't hiding, which will bring about like
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Speaker 2: criticism because if somebody just sees this headline that says, hey,
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Speaker 2: this is what happened in this moment, Like Caitlyn like
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Speaker 2: is really mad at Ben and they're like, wait, what's
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Speaker 2: happening here? I thought they were cool, Like I thought
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Speaker 2: everything was good, and they are not following you directly,
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Speaker 2: They're not able to see that, like this is the
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Speaker 2: roller coaster of life that Caitlyn is able to show
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Speaker 2: to her followers at all times, then there's criticism. But
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Speaker 2: if people are engaged with you day to day, they'll
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Speaker 2: know how you're feeling, and they'll know where you're going,
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Speaker 2: and they'll know where you're at. And I think that's
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Speaker 2: a beautiful thing that you've done, but not always easy.
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Speaker 2: And here's where my question comes again, is how do
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Speaker 2: you keep up with that?
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Speaker 4: Like?
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Speaker 2: How do you keep that pace up where you're always
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Speaker 2: keeping your followers engaged with where you're at emotionally?
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Speaker 4: I can't keep up. I honestly feel like and I
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Speaker 4: truly don't even think people really do know how I'm
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Speaker 4: feeling day to day because I do share, like I
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Speaker 4: think what on social media? I don't know if I
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Speaker 4: could find one person that doesn't just share what they
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Speaker 4: want people to see. So people are putting out what
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Speaker 4: they want you to see. I try and put out
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Speaker 4: things that like I'm like, well, ops, I messed up?
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Speaker 4: What ups I'm emotional? I have mental health issues. I
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Speaker 4: have depression, I have anxiety, I have really high highs,
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Speaker 4: I have really low lows. And I try and not
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Speaker 4: just put out what I want people to see all
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Speaker 4: the time, but still to some degree I do. So
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Speaker 4: it is hard to keep up with this thing that
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Speaker 4: like is almost like my own little reality show that
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Speaker 4: people tune into, because sometimes I'm like, I don't know
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Speaker 4: if I want to share that today, or if I
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Speaker 4: do share something that can cause assumptions towards somebody else,
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Speaker 4: or they can think I'm mad about this. Like I
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Speaker 4: posted song lyrics to something once and people are like, ooh,
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Speaker 4: that's a dig at Jason, and I'm like, it actually wasn't.
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Speaker 4: But I guess you wouldn't know that because you don't
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Speaker 4: know the other situation I'm in. Because now I'm trying
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Speaker 4: to keep like if I go on dates or if
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Speaker 4: I'm seeing somebody, like I want to keep it so sacred.
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Speaker 2: I don't.
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Speaker 4: I don't want to hide as in like I'm not
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Speaker 4: ever going to dinner with them, or I'm not going
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Speaker 4: to go to a movie or whatever. But I want
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Speaker 4: I don't want to like be teasing my audience that
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Speaker 4: I have like built trust with. I want to like
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Speaker 4: protect my relationship and I want want to introduce It's
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Speaker 4: almost like they're my kids, Like I want to introduce
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Speaker 4: them when I feel ready, when I know that this
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Speaker 4: actually could be the person because I feel like, you know,
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Speaker 4: we get we all get so excited. And my last relationship,
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Speaker 4: we got so excited to put there, put it out there,
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Speaker 4: and we got attention from that, and I think we
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Speaker 4: both really liked that attention. And then we were like, Okay,
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Speaker 4: look people are rooting for us. This is fun. Kind
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Speaker 4: of what you were saying, Ashley, where like you find
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Speaker 4: this sense of like support a support system online and
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Speaker 4: then you get lost in it and I'm I'm really
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Speaker 4: trying to figure out what it is that that I
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Speaker 4: want to share, that I want to keep sacred, and
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Speaker 4: that I that I want to like.
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Speaker 5: I don't know.
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Speaker 4: It gets very confusing because I don't know how to
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Speaker 4: keep up with it myself. So the answer is I
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Speaker 4: don't know. How do I keep up? I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you have any more questions for Caitlin about well.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if I have any more questions. This
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Speaker 2: is the best part about And if Kaitlyn ever would
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Speaker 2: like to speak with me and be the controller of
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Speaker 2: the arena, I would love that to happen. I think
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Speaker 2: what I would like people to know about Caitlyn and
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Speaker 2: I's relationship, this is how.
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Speaker 6: I would explain my relationship Son of a Biscuit. Actually
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Speaker 6: stay quiet and it can, Kaitlyn, you can correct this.
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Speaker 6: Since the first time we've met, there has always been
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Speaker 6: this admiration towards you from me and this confusion from
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Speaker 6: me towards you. Like, I think we're very different humans
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Speaker 6: and we see the world very differently, but there's a
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Speaker 6: an intersection there that has always been this kind of
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Speaker 6: beautiful like intersection and this beautiful moment of like, but
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Speaker 6: like it's a safe place, it's a safe it's a
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Speaker 6: safe space. But yeah, we we're going to battle, we're
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Speaker 6: going to be confused, but we're also just going to
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Speaker 6: like have a really good time because the world, for
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Speaker 6: as different as we see it, we also like enjoy
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Speaker 6: the same similar things.
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Speaker 2: We enjoy people. We do enjoy the attention, we enjoy authenticity,
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Speaker 2: and we never really know what we're feeling at any moment,
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Speaker 2: and it can always go sideways quickly, Yes, And I
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Speaker 2: think that's where throughout the last I don't mean how
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Speaker 2: many years since we've done the Bachelorette together, eight nine years, Like,
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Speaker 2: I think it's always been the way that like we've
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Speaker 2: stayed at least reasonably close compared to most you know
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Speaker 2: past contestants and leads, is because there always has been
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Speaker 2: that understanding, right like I was the lead after you,
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Speaker 2: Like that's sometimes a very awkward dynamic, and I think
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Speaker 2: I would want everybody to know that our relationship for
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Speaker 2: as like even if these things, these stories swirl. The
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Speaker 2: thing that I never want people to do, and what
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Speaker 2: hurt me the most was that, like anybody would ever
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Speaker 2: think that I lost any type of care for Kaitlin Bristow.
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Speaker 2: I've always respected you, I've always cared about you. I
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Speaker 2: always want what's best for you, and I would always
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Speaker 2: believe that you would want the same for me. That's
18:14
Speaker 2: where this whole thing got really hurtful for me personally.
18:18
Speaker 4: I totally understand that, Like I wish I could take
18:21
Speaker 4: that moment back, because you did get looped in and
18:23
Speaker 4: that is totally on me, And I told you when
18:26
Speaker 4: we were texting back and forth, I'm just like, oh
18:29
Speaker 4: my gosh, no it was not you. I was hurting
18:31
Speaker 4: in the moment. We all know how I do this sometimes,
18:34
Speaker 4: and I am so deeply sorry for even involving you
18:37
Speaker 4: in that because I should have involved anyone. I should
18:39
Speaker 4: have just kept it to myself and processed it alone
18:44
Speaker 4: or with my therapist, which I did later, and I
18:47
Speaker 4: did delete it because I was like, Caitlin, does stop
18:50
Speaker 4: and I deleted it, but of course there's screenshots. But
18:53
Speaker 4: I am I am sorry that you got looped into
18:55
Speaker 4: that because I, like you said, we've always had this great,
18:59
Speaker 4: healthy relationship over nine years, like during the show, after
19:03
Speaker 4: the show, when you became the lead, Like, I feel
19:05
Speaker 4: like we've always been nothing but supportive of one another
19:08
Speaker 4: and super transparent. And some people just see this, like
19:11
Speaker 4: you know, on a zoom or a podcast or on
19:14
Speaker 4: social media, but we do have a friendship outside of
19:17
Speaker 4: all of that, and I feel like, I feel like
19:19
Speaker 4: what I really know about us is we can be
19:21
Speaker 4: totally transparent, sorry, transparent and authentic with each other, even
19:27
Speaker 4: if it's like Caitlin, what the fuck are you doing?
19:29
Speaker 4: And I'm like, yeah, that was stupid. I'm sorry. So
19:31
Speaker 4: that was stupid, and I'm sorry, And.
19:33
Speaker 2: If you were mad at me, like I would just
19:35
Speaker 2: hope you call me now to transition this whole conversation
19:40
Speaker 2: this started, I think literally, and what people might not
19:43
Speaker 2: know is it happened in the Fantasy Suite during your
19:47
Speaker 2: season of the bachelorette now. No, no, no, no, no, I
19:52
Speaker 2: won't go as far as.
19:53
Speaker 5: Is this where I'm supposed to take over with that
19:55
Speaker 5: new narrative.
19:56
Speaker 2: No, no, no, you won't not yet. Yeah, I go
20:00
Speaker 2: as far as you'll go prior. But what I will
20:04
Speaker 2: say is there as a moment and I knew I
20:08
Speaker 2: was going home, Like it was not an It was
20:10
Speaker 2: not a shock to me. I was sad about it.
20:12
Speaker 2: There was confusion about it. There was like, hey, this
20:16
Speaker 2: whole thing's been awesome, But I knew I was going
20:18
Speaker 2: home because I asked you directly, what in the world's
20:21
Speaker 2: happening here? And you're like a lot like Sean and
20:26
Speaker 2: Nick are fighting every day. They have not stopped fighting.
20:30
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, it's why I've been locked in
20:31
Speaker 2: a hotel room for a week, Like they won't stop fighting,
20:34
Speaker 2: so I can't even come out and hang out like
20:36
Speaker 2: they've been everywhere. And I was like what what, Like
20:39
Speaker 2: where are your feelings at towards this, Like how's this
20:41
Speaker 2: thing going to end? And you're like, I don't know,
20:44
Speaker 2: but I have to figure it out. But like pretty much,
20:46
Speaker 2: I think what you said was between those two, like
20:48
Speaker 2: I've got to figure that out, and I think you knew.
20:50
Speaker 2: I don't think there was like a question mark on
20:53
Speaker 2: like who's right for me. It's like I got to
20:54
Speaker 2: figure that whole thing out. And it was very obvious
20:57
Speaker 2: to me that I'm going home, which is fine. I
21:00
Speaker 2: get it, totally cool, Like I had a good time.
21:03
Speaker 2: We had a lot of fun. I knew I was
21:05
Speaker 2: gonna like be friends with you for a long time
21:08
Speaker 2: or at least I hope that. Do you like, do
21:11
Speaker 2: you remember it the same way?
21:13
Speaker 5: I really?
21:14
Speaker 4: I have like a very sweet, funny and the amazing
21:21
Speaker 4: memory of our fantasy sweet because it was like I
21:25
Speaker 4: remember sitting by the fire and asking you like straight
21:30
Speaker 4: up like like Shaunnick, and you're like, wow, okay, so
21:34
Speaker 4: it's not me. It's like like who are you thinking
21:39
Speaker 4: like Shaunnick? And you're like, oh okay. And then I
21:42
Speaker 4: was like, well no, no, no, no, no, you can tell
21:45
Speaker 4: you it was We had a great time. But it
21:50
Speaker 4: was funny because I remember saying that and being like
21:53
Speaker 4: that was so stupid, Caitlin, because it was more like
21:58
Speaker 4: that was like produces he manipulation in my brain of
22:02
Speaker 4: like I got to ask Ben what the real side
22:05
Speaker 4: is because Ben's honest, and he's gonna tell me the
22:07
Speaker 4: truth of what is really going on behind the scenes.
22:10
Speaker 4: But it came across as like Ben or not being
22:14
Speaker 4: Sean or Nick, and you were kind of like, oh, okay.
22:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like all that. Let's just finish this bottle
22:20
Speaker 2: of whiskey and see what happens.
22:22
Speaker 4: We did drink a lot of whiskey. I will tell
22:25
Speaker 4: you after our fantasy suite, I actually liked you more
22:29
Speaker 4: than before after our fantasy suite, and I think you
22:34
Speaker 4: know this by now debated I wanted to send Nick
22:37
Speaker 4: home over you because at the end of the day,
22:38
Speaker 4: I knew I was picking Sean, and I wanted you
22:40
Speaker 4: to come along further, but they wanted you to be
22:42
Speaker 4: the bachelor.
22:43
Speaker 3: So that's when I'm supposed to come into this conversation
22:46
Speaker 3: and say that you basically tell Jared the same thing,
22:49
Speaker 3: and you and Jared talk about this every time you
22:50
Speaker 3: see each other, and it's always a good laugh that basically, Nick,
22:54
Speaker 3: Ben and Jared were all interchangeable in your top four
22:58
Speaker 3: because you were just so soild shot and you kind
23:01
Speaker 3: of like, I kind of enjoyed all three of their
23:04
Speaker 3: company equally.
23:08
Speaker 4: I like loved you guys, all so much and like
23:13
Speaker 4: not in similar ways, very different, but it was it
23:16
Speaker 4: was just like my season was the Nick and chancho
23:19
Speaker 4: And it's so funny because still to this day, like
23:22
Speaker 4: talk about shelf life. I'm still to this day talking
23:26
Speaker 4: about those two on podcasts and interviews and situations because
23:30
Speaker 4: I mean, it is such a pivotal moment in your
23:32
Speaker 4: life and a big part of your life and where
23:33
Speaker 4: you are at today. And it's so funny.
23:36
Speaker 5: Because you and Nick are so relevant. Still.
23:39
Speaker 4: Oh then, I mean, it's crazy, It's it's actually crazy.
23:43
Speaker 4: And then you know, I heard Sean say something on
23:47
Speaker 4: a podcast where he was like, yeah, well clearly it
23:50
Speaker 4: wasn't like a real relationship or real love, and like
23:53
Speaker 4: that was.
23:53
Speaker 2: The one that was the That was the interview with
23:57
Speaker 2: Lauren where I was like, whoa, hey, wait.
23:59
Speaker 5: Wait who said this?
24:01
Speaker 2: Sean and Lauren did a together when I was acually
24:05
Speaker 2: what was two years of my wife. Then both of.
24:08
Speaker 5: Them were kind of an agreeance.
24:11
Speaker 4: I say that sad, my feelings are so hurt. Were
24:14
Speaker 4: you the same?
24:15
Speaker 1: Ben?
24:15
Speaker 4: I was like, that was so real to me. That
24:18
Speaker 4: was like one of the most in love I've ever
24:20
Speaker 4: been in my whole life, and I thought I was
24:21
Speaker 4: going to marry them, and it was so real to me.
24:23
Speaker 4: So to hear and be like, yeah, obviously wasn't real.
24:25
Speaker 4: I was like, that was including the season and our
24:29
Speaker 4: time together that's four years.
24:31
Speaker 3: And yeah, I was offended for both of you. Yeah,
24:34
Speaker 3: and it wasn't true. I could just tell that that
24:36
Speaker 3: was a lie, especially from Shanside.
24:39
Speaker 5: Sorry man.
24:40
Speaker 4: And my biggest year in life, Like, my biggest fear
24:44
Speaker 4: is from like still rocks me from my parents' divorce.
24:48
Speaker 4: I thought they had the most beautiful relationship. They were
24:51
Speaker 4: so close, but I feel like my dad fell out
24:54
Speaker 4: of love with my mom and they got divorced. My
24:57
Speaker 4: biggest fear always is that someone's going to be so
24:59
Speaker 4: in love with me and then they're going to fall
25:00
Speaker 4: out of love with me. And I felt like that's
25:02
Speaker 4: what happened with Sean, and then to hear him validate everything,
25:05
Speaker 4: I was like eight years later, nine years and still like, wow,
25:09
Speaker 4: it still hurts.
25:10
Speaker 2: It was because they are very real to us. I mean,
25:13
Speaker 2: they're yeah, like there. I don't see that relationship as
25:16
Speaker 2: just like out, you know, offset of my life. This
25:19
Speaker 2: was a relationship that affected me greatly and then also
25:23
Speaker 2: led me to my wife. Let me see, hey, where
25:25
Speaker 2: did we not work here in this past relationship that
25:28
Speaker 2: led me to my wife today? And that's beautiful and
25:31
Speaker 2: good and all works out in the end. But even
25:34
Speaker 2: to hear that that piece of my story was not
25:37
Speaker 2: impactful for somebody else who was also very involved, was hurt. Yeah.
25:41
Speaker 2: It did sadden me. It did confuse me a lot,
25:44
Speaker 2: Like it made me go back to the Hey, Kaylin,
25:47
Speaker 2: I don't know what you think of this, but I
25:49
Speaker 2: feel unlovable like that. It brought me back to that moment,
25:52
Speaker 2: did you guys Tach?
25:53
Speaker 5: After that podcast came out it no, no, no, you
25:58
Speaker 5: and Ben.
25:59
Speaker 3: Know you and be like, hey, our exes got together
26:03
Speaker 3: and said that they really didn't love us.
26:05
Speaker 2: They can say what they want. At this point, in
26:07
Speaker 2: my opinion, it's like I know what it was for me,
26:10
Speaker 2: and that's all that matters. Like that really is all
26:12
Speaker 2: that matters. I know what it meant to me. And
26:14
Speaker 2: if if somebody's like, hey, I did this for two
26:16
Speaker 2: and a half years and it didn't mean that to me,
26:18
Speaker 2: then I'm like, well that's you can figure that one out,
26:21
Speaker 2: Like I don't know what Yeah, Well.
26:23
Speaker 4: It's kind of like that same thing where I feel
26:26
Speaker 4: something so much in the moment where my feelings were
26:28
Speaker 4: so hurt, and then once you think about it and
26:31
Speaker 4: process it, I'm like, well, if that was his experience,
26:33
Speaker 4: like I can't change what he felt or what his
26:36
Speaker 4: experience was, like I I and I don't know if
26:39
Speaker 4: that's true what they're saying. You know, they could just
26:41
Speaker 4: be like, oh, yeah, it wasn't real because it didn't
26:43
Speaker 4: work out whatever, But I just have to be like, well,
26:47
Speaker 4: we both had different experiences there, and like you said,
26:50
Speaker 4: it led you to your wife, and imagine all the
26:54
Speaker 4: imagine who this is going to lead me to. I've
26:56
Speaker 4: got all the practice in the world. I've learned so
26:58
Speaker 4: many lessons. I feel like that next one, I'm like,
27:01
Speaker 4: third times.
27:01
Speaker 2: Of Charm, that's right. Well, I mean that is a question.
27:06
Speaker 2: I don't know how to phrase this. Caitlin. Do you
27:09
Speaker 2: feel like, at this point in your life you have
27:11
Speaker 2: experienced authentically true love?
27:15
Speaker 4: Yes? Yes, I know. I think sometimes this is so crazy.
27:25
Speaker 4: I'm always so embarrassed to say this out loud, and
27:28
Speaker 4: anyone who listens to my podcast knows this story. But like,
27:32
Speaker 4: I think I truly experienced true love with before I
27:34
Speaker 4: even went on the show. I think my relationship before
27:37
Speaker 4: going on that show was like the right person, wrong timing,
27:43
Speaker 4: Like I still to this day will always say like
27:45
Speaker 4: he was the one that got away and I had
27:48
Speaker 4: similar similar feelings to him with Sean and then yeah,
27:55
Speaker 4: so I think I did, and like I think with Jason,
27:58
Speaker 4: it was so much like you know, when you date
28:01
Speaker 4: somebody for so long and all of their qualities that
28:04
Speaker 4: made you hurt so badly, and then the next person
28:07
Speaker 4: they are the opposite of that, so you're like, this
28:10
Speaker 4: must be what is right for me because they're the
28:12
Speaker 4: opposite of this person. I feel like that's what I
28:14
Speaker 4: experienced with Jason, where he was opposite of Sean in
28:18
Speaker 4: so many ways. So I thought like, oh I broke
28:20
Speaker 4: the cycle. Oh I'm going different, I'm doing something that
28:24
Speaker 4: this is going to work out. And then you know,
28:27
Speaker 4: relationships are hard, man, Relationships are so hard, and especially
28:32
Speaker 4: when there's a third person involved, aka the Internet, and
28:36
Speaker 4: that's a lot of you know, voices, and it's just
28:39
Speaker 4: relationships are so challenging. And I don't know if it's
28:42
Speaker 4: just me or if it's all relationships, but I find
28:45
Speaker 4: them so hard.
28:48
Speaker 5: Do you keep tabs on the guy from before.
28:52
Speaker 4: No, Okay, see this is another difference. I can't. He
28:55
Speaker 4: is totally private. He retired from playing.
29:00
Speaker 2: He was the one that got away. If he's totally
29:02
Speaker 2: private and like off the radar, gosh thing, he would.
29:04
Speaker 5: Have got to have some friend follow him.
29:07
Speaker 4: Oh my god. I'm all the way turned on by
29:09
Speaker 4: him still because he's private on Instagram. He retired from hockey,
29:15
Speaker 4: he's in like the finance world. He's private, his family's private.
29:20
Speaker 4: I like can't creep him at all, which is so
29:23
Speaker 4: wonderful because imagine if I could. But he's married with
29:26
Speaker 4: three kids.
29:27
Speaker 7: So let me.
29:30
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to like go get him back by
29:32
Speaker 4: anything good for her, Yes, but it's I still found
29:38
Speaker 4: that the most challenging breakup I've ever been through in
29:41
Speaker 4: my life. Now with Sean, we broke up and he
29:44
Speaker 4: kind of went under the radar. He you know, worked
29:46
Speaker 4: out at his gym and he did his own thing,
29:48
Speaker 4: and he didn't really date in the public, and I
29:50
Speaker 4: didn't really have to even though we were living in
29:52
Speaker 4: the same city. Like I kind of just moved on
29:55
Speaker 4: really quickly and kind of didn't have to see anything.
29:59
Speaker 4: And then and now I'm like, oh my gosh, everything's
30:02
Speaker 4: so in my face because I'm trying to like say
30:06
Speaker 4: private with like anyone I date. But Jason's like.
30:09
Speaker 5: Oh, hey, why don't you post the.
30:10
Speaker 4: Same video with the same song at the same time
30:12
Speaker 4: as me. Let's get people talking about us. And I'm like, ah,
30:16
Speaker 4: I've never heard a deal with this before, and it's
30:18
Speaker 4: just so in my face. And even though like it's
30:20
Speaker 4: it was my decision and I have respect for him,
30:24
Speaker 4: it's just still like, damn, he liked those.
30:27
Speaker 3: Numbers, and how do you know that he has this
30:30
Speaker 3: strategy going on where they post the same time Because people.
30:34
Speaker 4: Send me shit, I'm like, I'm I'm the best at
30:39
Speaker 4: I really, I really don't go looking at X's things. Now.
30:42
Speaker 4: If my first one was open and not private, I
30:45
Speaker 4: probably would, but I will, like, I just don't want
30:47
Speaker 4: to see things. So when anything shows up on my
30:50
Speaker 4: for you page or on TikTok, where I just immediately
30:54
Speaker 4: click not for me or mute or not interested in this,
30:58
Speaker 4: so I I like try to not see it because
31:02
Speaker 4: I just don't want to overthink it or be hurt
31:04
Speaker 4: or overreact. And so the people just say they're like,
31:07
Speaker 4: did you see this? Do you see what?
31:09
Speaker 5: Does happening?
31:09
Speaker 4: Did you see this? Do you see this picture? Did
31:11
Speaker 4: you see what it was on dumis? And I'm like, no,
31:14
Speaker 4: I didn't, and I don't want to, so thanks for
31:16
Speaker 4: bringing it to my attention.
31:17
Speaker 3: Mom.
31:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am mom, some rapid fire here to kind
31:33
Speaker 2: of figure this whole thing out with you, because it's
31:36
Speaker 2: always a blast, and you are also very vulnerable and
31:39
Speaker 2: nobody's gonna not know where you're thinking at what moment.
31:44
Speaker 2: One of my confusions towards your life choices, Kaitlin, before
31:48
Speaker 2: we get into how you co parent dogs, because that's
31:50
Speaker 2: everybody's question is why, like how National is not a
31:54
Speaker 2: big city. My wife's in Nashville. I've been to Nashville
31:56
Speaker 2: many times. Knowing you, how do you not have extreme
32:01
Speaker 2: anxiety every time you go out on a date or
32:04
Speaker 2: go anywhere in public that you're going to run into
32:06
Speaker 2: one of the people that you've dated now that I've
32:08
Speaker 2: also would like make you feel very awkward. I never
32:11
Speaker 2: wanted to run in the lorn for years. I could
32:14
Speaker 2: you know at this point I don't care this taking me.
32:16
Speaker 2: I would say it took me a good six years
32:18
Speaker 2: to never want to like run into her in public again.
32:22
Speaker 4: Yes, thank you for that is so relatable. I always
32:24
Speaker 4: feel like I'm so dramatic or like such.
32:26
Speaker 2: A baby, but I'm like, I have no interest.
32:29
Speaker 4: It takes time to like grieve a person, grieve a relationship,
32:33
Speaker 4: grieve who you thought somebody was. Like it is so
32:36
Speaker 4: I do. I still to this day have anxiety every
32:38
Speaker 4: time I go out thinking I'm going to run into someone.
32:41
Speaker 4: It's a little different with Jason because we do co parents,
32:45
Speaker 4: so we can get into that. So it's a little
32:47
Speaker 4: different because I could be like, hey, look at this
32:51
Speaker 4: funny thing wrong and then today and then like move on.
32:54
Speaker 4: But with Sean, I feel like there's still some sort
32:56
Speaker 4: of level of bitterness there, or I guess there is
33:00
Speaker 4: in this relationship too. I don't know. I just haven't.
33:02
Speaker 5: Committed a conversation that could have been had or could
33:06
Speaker 5: be had.
33:07
Speaker 4: Right Like, I wouldn't even know what to say. I
33:10
Speaker 4: don't know if he'd want to even say hello, I've
33:11
Speaker 4: a run I've only run actually.
33:14
Speaker 5: Had the conversation. You did run into him ones.
33:17
Speaker 4: Only one time, and he was on the other end
33:19
Speaker 4: of a restaurant and I was sitting at a table
33:23
Speaker 4: and I was like, I remember looking I was like,
33:26
Speaker 4: it's like a trendy Sean booth. Like he's like, looks
33:28
Speaker 4: really trendy. And then I was like, oh, that is
33:30
Speaker 4: a trendy little Sean booth. Oh wow, he looks great.
33:33
Speaker 4: And then we've had a couple like text exchanges, but
33:37
Speaker 4: that's pretty much it.
33:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, So how do you function in your city? Knowing
33:42
Speaker 2: this is always a possibility. I would not be okay,
33:44
Speaker 2: I wouldn't like and there's no there There isn't even
33:47
Speaker 2: anger or like resentment. It's just like I don't know
33:50
Speaker 2: what I would say. I don't know how. It's uncomfortable,
33:52
Speaker 2: like to a person that I, once in my life
33:54
Speaker 2: was the most comfortable with. Now I am the least
33:58
Speaker 2: comfortable with. And I don't want to have to figure
34:00
Speaker 2: that one out in the moment, Like I don't even
34:03
Speaker 2: know how to prepare myself.
34:04
Speaker 4: No, And I go through so many different phases again
34:07
Speaker 4: of like feeling mad or sad, or like rooting for him,
34:10
Speaker 4: like him as a dad I think is so cool
34:12
Speaker 4: because I saw the way he parented a dog and
34:15
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I bet he's going to be
34:16
Speaker 4: an incredible father, and like there's certain things I just
34:19
Speaker 4: have so many different emotions, So I honestly don't know,
34:21
Speaker 4: but I do get anxiety about that. But I don't
34:25
Speaker 4: I don't really go out in Nashville. I really just like,
34:28
Speaker 4: I mean, what I would really like is him to
34:30
Speaker 4: pull up next to me and I'm in my bronco
34:32
Speaker 4: and I'm like, but yeah, I don't know. I'm just
34:42
Speaker 4: I'm surprised it hasn't happened. But I wouldn't know how
34:45
Speaker 4: to I wouldn't know how to act. I think I
34:47
Speaker 4: would want to like hug it out and be like, hey,
34:50
Speaker 4: should we talk, But then I'm scared he's gonna be like,
34:53
Speaker 4: I hate you.
34:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, you might not get it. I get it this. Yeah,
34:58
Speaker 2: Lauren is a is a great I've never questioned that,
35:01
Speaker 2: but this year was the first time that I've seen
35:04
Speaker 2: her in person. I actually didn't see her. I'm lying
35:06
Speaker 2: when I say that. She her husband played in one
35:10
Speaker 2: golf group behind me in a celebrity and she walked up.
35:14
Speaker 2: She think about how cool this is of her. She
35:16
Speaker 2: walked up to my mom and my wife. My wife
35:19
Speaker 2: was like a little bit ahead and just said hi,
35:22
Speaker 2: which was like huge for me. So my mom told
35:24
Speaker 2: me afterwards, like, hey, I got to see Lauren. She
35:26
Speaker 2: was really sweet and she came and said hi to me,
35:28
Speaker 2: and I was like, that's amazing. I didn't see her,
35:30
Speaker 2: but like that's all I really wanted, Like I just
35:33
Speaker 2: need to know that she's cool to say hi to
35:34
Speaker 2: me too, Like I don't know. I feel like it's
35:36
Speaker 2: a given that it should be okay, but I just
35:38
Speaker 2: want to know that she's cool to say hi to me.
35:40
Speaker 2: If I'm cool to say, like, I don't know, it's weird.
35:43
Speaker 4: I feel the same way, but okay, my dog's like
35:45
Speaker 4: pulling the charger out of my computer. I feel the
35:49
Speaker 4: same way. Like I just don't know, And like our
35:51
Speaker 4: text exchanges haven't been like the most friendly, so then
35:55
Speaker 4: I just don't know how it would be in person.
35:58
Speaker 4: But I want it to be cool, like I want
36:01
Speaker 4: I'm a big closure guy. I want closure on things,
36:05
Speaker 4: and I don't think i've really felt that with that relationship.
36:10
Speaker 4: I feel closure with Jason, and I still don't feel
36:13
Speaker 4: like i've had that closure with Sean.
36:17
Speaker 5: Well, you can invite him on your podcast.
36:19
Speaker 2: Just bring them on. You could ask any question you want,
36:22
Speaker 2: and if they say something weird and mean, it's all recorded.
36:25
Speaker 2: It's amazing.
36:26
Speaker 4: That's why he would say, no, there's no way he'd
36:29
Speaker 4: come on my podcast.
36:30
Speaker 3: For your own comfortability sake. You probably that would be
36:34
Speaker 3: the preferred method, right, one hundred percent?
36:38
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, But then I would then it's like,
36:41
Speaker 4: how honest when you're on a podcast, how honest. That's
36:44
Speaker 4: why it's scary. I'm always so scared to do podcasts,
36:46
Speaker 4: Like I had so much anxiety even about doing this one,
36:48
Speaker 4: because I'm like, well, I'm just going to say what's
36:50
Speaker 4: on my mind, and then it's going to turn into
36:52
Speaker 4: a damn headline and then nobody's going to read the
36:54
Speaker 4: actual article. They're just going to think I'm this raging Countey.
36:58
Speaker 2: That No, that the best headline they could exist from
37:02
Speaker 2: this whole episode would be Kaylen Bristow hates Ashley I
37:05
Speaker 2: Ken Eddie. That's all I want and I want to
37:07
Speaker 2: thought like that would be the most.
37:09
Speaker 3: Shocking and the thing you just said it so now
37:11
Speaker 3: they could make that.
37:12
Speaker 2: That'd be amazing.
37:13
Speaker 4: They could take anything.
37:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they'd have to read below to find
37:16
Speaker 2: out exactly what the truth is. Kaylin, I have only
37:20
Speaker 2: one more weird question before you before we like kind
37:22
Speaker 2: of dive into the last few minutes on all the
37:24
Speaker 2: cool stuff you're up to, and I know there is
37:25
Speaker 2: a lot. How do you co parent? Because I know this,
37:29
Speaker 2: I do know this, and I'll tell you this from
37:30
Speaker 2: Jason that it is probably the most difficult, like not
37:37
Speaker 2: even the most rest just the most difficult thing to
37:39
Speaker 2: figure out. How do you co parent dogs in the
37:42
Speaker 2: midst of this situation? How are you doing it and
37:46
Speaker 2: how are you making it work?
37:48
Speaker 4: Well, it's it's really challenging because we're both obsessed with them,
37:54
Speaker 4: and we're both really good dog parents, and the dogs
37:57
Speaker 4: love both of us very much, and so I'll never forget.
38:03
Speaker 4: Sean told me like, you can never see Tucker again
38:05
Speaker 4: when we broke up, and I was like, I would
38:06
Speaker 4: never do that to anybody. I would never do that
38:09
Speaker 4: to Jason, and so co parenting seem like the only
38:12
Speaker 4: option here. But I will say I don't think it's
38:15
Speaker 4: good for the dogs. It's they have seemed more anxious
38:19
Speaker 4: with the transitions. Romen specifically, like he gets really emotional
38:24
Speaker 4: and like if Romin won't take a treat, like something's wrong,
38:27
Speaker 4: and he's been doing that lately, and he doesn't want
38:29
Speaker 4: to leave either house once he gets there, and he
38:31
Speaker 4: doesn't know what to do, and I actually don't think
38:33
Speaker 4: it's healthy for the dogs. And I think we're being
38:35
Speaker 4: a little bit selfish because we both just want them
38:39
Speaker 4: so badly. But I think it's also nice because you know,
38:44
Speaker 4: like I would, I don't like the idea of putting
38:46
Speaker 4: them in a kennel or leaving them somewhere. And we
38:51
Speaker 4: both travel so much so we're able to look at
38:53
Speaker 4: each other's schedules and say, look, I'm gone this time
38:56
Speaker 4: and you're here, so could you watch them here? And
38:59
Speaker 4: then either way, we both have really incredible people that
39:02
Speaker 4: come house it and watch the dogs, who the dogs love.
39:04
Speaker 4: So I feel like we're literally two humans that are
39:08
Speaker 4: trying to do our best in that situation. But I
39:11
Speaker 4: honestly don't think it's good for the dogs, and it
39:13
Speaker 4: breaks my heart.
39:15
Speaker 3: A couple questions. Did you have Romen before you got
39:17
Speaker 3: together with Jason?
39:19
Speaker 4: So I rescued Romen. Jason and I were doing long
39:23
Speaker 4: distance okay, and Ramen, Yeah, and then Jason moved in
39:29
Speaker 4: like I think five days after I got Ramen. I think,
39:31
Speaker 4: which is.
39:31
Speaker 3: Why in my head perhaps like Ramen is like yours, well,
39:35
Speaker 3: and I could never but you don't like because of
39:38
Speaker 3: the Sean thing. You don't even like want to say
39:40
Speaker 3: that like it's yours because that was because also Sean's dog, Tucker,
39:45
Speaker 3: was like felt like.
39:46
Speaker 4: You're no, no, Romen's definitely mine. But I would I
39:51
Speaker 4: would just I would also never separate these dogs. They
39:54
Speaker 4: are so dependent on each other and they're like best friends.
39:58
Speaker 4: So sometimes it's like, well why can't he and I'm
40:00
Speaker 4: like absolutely not without each other. So yeah, it's really
40:05
Speaker 4: it's really challenging and sad and scary, and it's like
40:08
Speaker 4: you already have not enough time with the dog, and
40:11
Speaker 4: to cut that in half again, I'm just like like
40:14
Speaker 4: I'm way too sensitive about it. I could cry right
40:16
Speaker 4: now just thinking about it.
40:17
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I would never insinuate you separating the dogs
40:20
Speaker 3: at all. I just feel like, why do I think
40:22
Speaker 3: that the dogs are yours just because I'm closer friends
40:25
Speaker 3: with you?
40:26
Speaker 4: Yeah? Maybe maybe?
40:28
Speaker 3: So then I'm also like I feel like Jason like
40:31
Speaker 3: he went to Nashville because of you, and I think
40:34
Speaker 3: that he could be happy other places, and it's like
40:36
Speaker 3: I feel like he's actually staying in Nashville because of
40:38
Speaker 3: the dogs.
40:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, because he definitely didn't seem to
40:43
Speaker 4: be like the biggest fan of Nashville while we were together,
40:45
Speaker 4: because I always wanted to well, at the first couple
40:48
Speaker 4: of years, I didn't want to move. I loved my
40:49
Speaker 4: house so much. And then I was like, don't you
40:51
Speaker 4: think we should like get a house together, And he
40:54
Speaker 4: was like, I'm just not sold on Nashville. And then
40:59
Speaker 4: when we broke up, he was like, Nash's kind of
41:01
Speaker 4: grown on me. I'm like, I hate you.
41:04
Speaker 5: Give me my city back, okay. And then I think it's.
41:08
Speaker 3: Like all good that you guys, you know, are sharing
41:11
Speaker 3: the dogs right now.
41:12
Speaker 5: Even though you're shaying that's not like necessarily the best
41:14
Speaker 5: of the dog's mental health.
41:16
Speaker 3: But in the fact that you, you know, you're both
41:20
Speaker 3: singleish in the sense that like you're not married, you
41:22
Speaker 3: don't have kids, right, So, how do you do you
41:26
Speaker 3: feel like your things will change if, like, say, fast
41:29
Speaker 3: forward five years, you're both married and with kids and
41:32
Speaker 3: then you're like transferring dogs every weekend.
41:35
Speaker 4: I asked him that, I said that, I said, what
41:37
Speaker 4: is going to happen if, like, say, you meet a
41:40
Speaker 4: girl in well, we're I don't know where, Florida, or
41:44
Speaker 4: you meet another girl in New York and you get
41:46
Speaker 4: married and you settle down, or maybe I find somebody
41:49
Speaker 4: here and like, are you really going to come back
41:52
Speaker 4: every two weeks just to like share the dogs and
41:55
Speaker 4: is your partner going to be okay with that? Or
41:57
Speaker 4: I'm like, in my head, I'm just like, can I
42:00
Speaker 4: just rescue you a doggie for you and you just
42:03
Speaker 4: fly fly?
42:07
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't, honestly, Like, there's so many things
42:10
Speaker 2: that would be easier to me than sharing dogs. I
42:15
Speaker 2: can't imagine. I can't imagine the emotional roller coaster, and
42:20
Speaker 2: I don't want to make you cry, Caitlin. But here's
42:22
Speaker 2: what I'm thinking. I travel a lot right now, and
42:25
Speaker 2: Whalen when I'm home sleeps on my legs like his
42:27
Speaker 2: head lays on my legs every night, on my ankles.
42:30
Speaker 2: And when I'm in a hotel room, you know what
42:31
Speaker 2: I've had to start doing. That little son of a
42:34
Speaker 2: biscuit makes me lay a pillow on my ankle so
42:37
Speaker 2: I can fall asleep at night. It makes I'm tearing up.
42:42
Speaker 2: That little asshole who drives me crazy also is the
42:47
Speaker 2: one that controls my life when I'm in a hotel
42:49
Speaker 2: room and makes me go I want to be home,
42:51
Speaker 2: not only because my wife is there and she's my
42:53
Speaker 2: best friend and we can like laugh and have fun.
42:55
Speaker 2: But then at night when everything comes down, he lays
42:57
Speaker 2: his head on my ankles and I can't sleep without it.
43:01
Speaker 5: He really is crying, Guys, I know it's bullshit.
43:06
Speaker 4: No, I totally get it. That makes me love you
43:09
Speaker 4: even more that you're that much of a dog guy
43:11
Speaker 4: like me, Like I my toxic trait is crying like
43:15
Speaker 4: my dog's already passed when he's right in front of me.
43:17
Speaker 4: Like I am so like they are. I feel like
43:22
Speaker 4: they're both my soul dogs. I feel like I can't
43:25
Speaker 4: when I go away from like even for three days,
43:28
Speaker 4: I am like so sad. Hotels have been like putting
43:33
Speaker 4: picture of frames in my hotel room of the dogs
43:35
Speaker 4: for me, and I'm like, I don't know if this
43:37
Speaker 4: helps or makes me even more sad, because I just
43:39
Speaker 4: like stare at it and cry like I my obsession
43:43
Speaker 4: with the dogs is honestly, I don't think it's healthy. Yeah,
43:47
Speaker 4: I don't think it's healthy.
43:48
Speaker 2: It's weird. It isn't healthy. There's nothing healthy about it
43:51
Speaker 2: because they're not here for that long, and that's really sad.
43:55
Speaker 2: And tough, and I have to get over it, the
43:58
Speaker 2: fact that my life is going to be moving on
44:01
Speaker 2: far beyond it. But it is absolutely ridiculous the amount
44:06
Speaker 2: of emotion that little squirt can bring out in me,
44:10
Speaker 2: especially when he frustrates me all the time.
44:12
Speaker 3: I laughed still because Ben used to like roll his
44:16
Speaker 3: eyes at me when I talk about Louis and then
44:20
Speaker 3: he got waylan and now he's crying on the podcast.
44:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just stupid. I don't know, it's just just.
44:27
Speaker 4: It's not stupid. No, it's not it's not stupid. And
44:30
Speaker 4: I get it. And you say, like, even though your
44:31
Speaker 4: dogs frustrate you, my dogs could my dog could shit
44:34
Speaker 4: on my face and I'd be like, it's okay, people,
44:38
Speaker 4: I swear. I'm like, whatever they do is I'm like, oh, oh, it's.
44:43
Speaker 2: Just he's just a weirdo.
44:52
Speaker 5: It's time to hear her side of the story.
44:56
Speaker 4: I love the show so much. I was like, please
44:59
Speaker 4: throw my name in the mix.
45:00
Speaker 5: I need to be in on this.
45:01
Speaker 7: We were sure she was going to be the next bachelorette,
45:04
Speaker 7: and then something changed.
45:07
Speaker 4: I'm keeping things very very hush hush.
45:09
Speaker 7: Fans of the Bachelor know exactly what we're talking about
45:13
Speaker 7: Joe and Serena sit down for an intimate conversation with
45:16
Speaker 7: Maria Georgis on Bachelor Happy Hour.
45:19
Speaker 5: I have to ask.
45:21
Speaker 3: I heard a rumor that you were dating at one
45:24
Speaker 3: point one of Drake's best friends.
45:27
Speaker 4: Oh, we have mor Sammy.
45:29
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45:47
Speaker 2: All right, Caitlyn, are you dating?
45:50
Speaker 4: Yeah? I am good.
45:52
Speaker 2: So if somebody's listening, or if I know somebody in
45:55
Speaker 2: Nashville who's an attractive, successful and.
45:58
Speaker 4: In my way, I didn't say I'm dating scifically only
46:00
Speaker 4: one person for the rest of my life. Well, I
46:03
Speaker 4: do you know someone?
46:06
Speaker 2: Yes, we have a hotbed in Nashville. Jess has a
46:08
Speaker 2: lot of really cool, good looking friends that have good roots.
46:13
Speaker 4: Oh wow, I like roots. Yes, I'm dating. I just
46:17
Speaker 4: feel like I swear I'll always like say like, yeah
46:21
Speaker 4: I'm dating or I'm going on a date. But I'm
46:23
Speaker 4: I am literally never gonna introduce the internet or podcast
46:28
Speaker 4: to anyone until I'm like married and pregnant, like I
46:31
Speaker 4: would be like surprised, and then they'd be like what,
46:33
Speaker 4: and I'll be like, well, I just wanted to make.
46:35
Speaker 2: Sure we waited six months and it was worth it.
46:40
Speaker 2: It's too much pressure when you do it earlier in
46:42
Speaker 2: that and Jess wasn't. She had no following, she had
46:45
Speaker 2: no like you know, she didn't really even understand this
46:48
Speaker 2: whole thing, and so when we introduced her it was
46:49
Speaker 2: a whole new ball game. But at that point we
46:52
Speaker 2: were like, no, this is this is the real deal,
46:54
Speaker 2: and so we'll walk through this together now. Instead of like.
46:58
Speaker 4: Yeah, early that I could see that do it together,
47:02
Speaker 4: I think I just don't. I just don't want to
47:10
Speaker 4: up another relationship. Not that it was all my fault,
47:12
Speaker 4: but like, I just feel like it's such the noise
47:16
Speaker 4: is so loud all the time, especially and I understand
47:18
Speaker 4: that people feel entitled to my dating life because of
47:21
Speaker 4: being the Bachelorette and sharing my relationships, and I get that,
47:25
Speaker 4: but I just I will as soon as I'm like, Okay,
47:29
Speaker 4: this is this is the one now, m I.
47:34
Speaker 2: Kaitlin, you just finished a tour, as we close out here,
47:38
Speaker 2: a very successful tour. In fact, Bachelor Data just ranked
47:41
Speaker 2: you one of the top podcasts. They really don't know
47:45
Speaker 2: how many numbers you're pulling. I'm assuming you're very, very,
47:48
Speaker 2: very successfully high. But I don't know how they keep
47:52
Speaker 2: your numbers private.
47:53
Speaker 5: From Yeah, your numbers are private. I want our numbers.
47:56
Speaker 4: Yeah.
47:56
Speaker 2: I don't want our numbers to be seen. I want
47:58
Speaker 2: to always live. Yeah. Back, So Davey just said, let's
48:01
Speaker 2: say this. You are a very successful podcast host. You
48:03
Speaker 2: just finished a tour, a kind of a tell all tour.
48:07
Speaker 2: You obviously have been kind of doing the Dance with
48:10
Speaker 2: the Stars things for a while. You're loved with in
48:12
Speaker 2: Bachelor Nation. What have you been up to? What's next?
48:16
Speaker 2: What can people look forward to? What's going on in
48:19
Speaker 2: your life? As we close up here?
48:22
Speaker 4: The tour was so fun. Again, I called it the
48:25
Speaker 4: tell all tour when I was feeling really petty. So
48:27
Speaker 4: when I got there, I was like, m time has passed,
48:32
Speaker 4: but it was still so fun. It's just like, I mean,
48:36
Speaker 4: you did the Bachelor one where it was on the road, right,
48:40
Speaker 4: you did that for a bit.
48:41
Speaker 2: It got canceled because of COVID.
48:43
Speaker 4: Oh well, it just gets so it's so nice to
48:46
Speaker 4: interact with people like sometimes I just talked to a
48:49
Speaker 4: wall and through a microphone and be like, is anyone
48:51
Speaker 4: out there listening? And so to actually like be in
48:55
Speaker 4: a room and feel the energy of all the listeners
48:58
Speaker 4: and meet them, and I just I love being on stage.
49:02
Speaker 4: I feel like I've loved it since I was little,
49:05
Speaker 4: from dancing until today, Like I love entertaining. So that
49:09
Speaker 4: was so fun for me to be able to go
49:10
Speaker 4: out on tour and do that. And I've been on
49:13
Speaker 4: tour so many other times, but this time just felt different.
49:15
Speaker 4: I felt like, I'm like, I just love podcasting and
49:18
Speaker 4: I love meeting these people that want to listen to me.
49:22
Speaker 4: So that was really nice. My wine has been doing
49:25
Speaker 4: really well. It's rolling out and a lot of targets
49:28
Speaker 4: over different states all the time. And I still have
49:31
Speaker 4: my wine club, which is really fun. We do like
49:34
Speaker 4: get togethers every three months on Zoom. I also have
49:37
Speaker 4: a book club where we raise money for charities and
49:39
Speaker 4: it's really nerdy but really fun.
49:41
Speaker 2: How can people find that I don't know. I know
49:42
Speaker 2: Spadin Sparrow the Wine, but I don't know about the
49:44
Speaker 2: book club.
49:45
Speaker 1: Yeah.
49:46
Speaker 4: So the book club is just through my podcast off
49:47
Speaker 4: the Vine. We I just post on the off the
49:51
Speaker 4: vine page and then we'll pick a book. We're gonna
49:54
Speaker 4: pick Hannah Brown's book Connect and then I've had all
49:57
Speaker 4: the authors come on our zooms for our book club
49:59
Speaker 4: meetings and it's actually so cute. I get cuted out
50:01
Speaker 4: every time because I'm like, I'm such a nerd for books.
50:05
Speaker 4: And then people have to pay to come into the zoom,
50:07
Speaker 4: but all the proceeds go to a charity that aligns
50:09
Speaker 4: with the book. So that's been really fun. So maybe
50:11
Speaker 4: I'll read a book about coffee.
50:13
Speaker 2: No, you could read my book kell On and plain Sight.
50:16
Speaker 4: Oh okay, okay, read your book. And yeah, this pretty much.
50:22
Speaker 4: I just podcasts every Tuesday and Thursdays come out and
50:26
Speaker 4: if people like wine, I'm really really that was the hardest.
50:29
Speaker 4: The wine business is ten million times harder than I
50:32
Speaker 4: thought it was going to be. So if people want
50:34
Speaker 4: to support and buy the wine, you can just go
50:37
Speaker 4: on Spade and Sparrows dot com and type in your
50:39
Speaker 4: zip code and see where it is near you.
50:41
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of Hannah Brown, we had her on our
50:44
Speaker 3: podcast recently. We also had Tyler on our podcast recently,
50:47
Speaker 3: and then we just were next wedding and I just
50:50
Speaker 3: feel like you're the next natural fit for Special Forces.
50:55
Speaker 3: Oh God, they've had to have called you.
50:58
Speaker 4: No, I don't think I could do that.
51:01
Speaker 5: I feel like you could do it. I feel like
51:03
Speaker 5: you would probably.
51:04
Speaker 3: Win because you know us Bachelor Nation on Special Forces,
51:07
Speaker 3: all we do is win, win, win.
51:08
Speaker 4: That's true, but you know what it is actually For me,
51:11
Speaker 4: I have a very big phobia of throwing up, and I.
51:14
Speaker 5: Know I hear about this all the time.
51:16
Speaker 4: For me, I'm so scared that I would throw up
51:18
Speaker 4: on that show. It's like a very crippling fear of mine.
51:22
Speaker 4: And so I feel like I could do anything except
51:24
Speaker 4: for throw up. But I do have an idea for
51:27
Speaker 4: a TV show that I want to do. So I've
51:30
Speaker 4: been talking to people and networks and certain companies and
51:34
Speaker 4: I have two really big ideas that I want to do.
51:36
Speaker 4: So maybe maybe not Special Forces, and maybe I just
51:39
Speaker 4: come out with my own show because I have really
51:41
Speaker 4: good ideas.
51:43
Speaker 2: Have good to do that?
51:44
Speaker 5: Ben, Have they not asked you either?
51:46
Speaker 2: Special Forces? I don't think so. Traders, yes, I think so,
51:50
Speaker 2: You're like, I'm not sure. I don't know people. I
51:54
Speaker 2: say no to a lot because well, because I got
51:57
Speaker 2: married two years ago and like to go from marriage
52:01
Speaker 2: to like, be on a show for what.
52:03
Speaker 5: Special Forces is only ten days?
52:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think I be. I don't think I've
52:07
Speaker 2: ever been asked to be in specially.
52:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's only ten days, which is why they get
52:10
Speaker 3: the best cast.
52:11
Speaker 2: Yeah.
52:12
Speaker 3: Oh that's why I like, Oh I could do ten days.
52:16
Speaker 4: I'm going to maybe do ten days. But I also
52:18
Speaker 4: think I would rather do Traders because they still have challenges.
52:23
Speaker 4: But I'm like, it's bucketless for me to go to Scotland.
52:25
Speaker 4: And I just love the host of that show so much.
52:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm so done and the show makes me feel dumb.
52:32
Speaker 5: I have no idea what's going on. The game gameplay
52:35
Speaker 5: is not my thing.
52:37
Speaker 4: I love a gameplay.
52:39
Speaker 5: You could rocket.
52:40
Speaker 4: I'm so competitive Ashley is.
52:43
Speaker 2: Ashley is just too authentic. She's too much of a mom.
52:46
Speaker 2: Now I can't lie.
52:48
Speaker 5: I can't.
52:49
Speaker 3: I've never been able to lie or fake anything. Yeah,
52:55
Speaker 3: I'm a Gemini, so we're good liars.
52:56
Speaker 2: Just kidding, Kaitlin, here's the deal. Whatever season and life
53:00
Speaker 2: takes you in next, it's going to be great. And
53:02
Speaker 2: whatever you're doing now is incredible. And you've made not
53:06
Speaker 2: only a foundation and a legacy for yourself that has
53:09
Speaker 2: not only far outreached so many others who have been
53:12
Speaker 2: a part of the show, but also just the influence
53:15
Speaker 2: that you've had on your following will far outreach anything
53:18
Speaker 2: you can ever imagine. And so whatever you're up to next,
53:21
Speaker 2: whatever you do next, is going to be absolutely spectacular.
53:26
Speaker 2: It's absolutely incredible. Jared and I kind of got to
53:29
Speaker 2: talk about this at the wedding last weekend, But we
53:31
Speaker 2: have a thousand times where we question our identity, we
53:34
Speaker 2: question our impact, we question what in the world we're
53:36
Speaker 2: doing with this whole thing, and we look around us
53:39
Speaker 2: and we see so many people doing awesome stuff, and
53:42
Speaker 2: you're always one of those. And so I want you
53:44
Speaker 2: to like rest tonight and the idea that when I
53:47
Speaker 2: think about people that have done great stuff with the
53:50
Speaker 2: opportunity that was given to them, you're one of those people,
53:54
Speaker 2: and you're doing a great job. And so whatever is
53:56
Speaker 2: going to come in your future, it's going to be great,
53:58
Speaker 2: and you've already done great. So I mean that and
54:02
Speaker 2: I believe that. Thank you for coming on. It means
54:04
Speaker 2: a lot to us, and we hope to talk to
54:07
Speaker 2: you soon somewhere or another. Don't get mad at meeting now.
54:10
Speaker 2: I don't like it. It makes me feel all weird.
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Speaker 4: I never was. You thought I was, and I should
54:15
Speaker 4: have told you I wasn't, and I should have. If
54:17
Speaker 4: I'm ever upset with you, I will text you directly.
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Speaker 4: You know that I have before. Thank you for saying
54:22
Speaker 4: all that, because even even though you might think that,
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Speaker 4: I still feel like I'm not doing enough and I'm
54:29
Speaker 4: not making a big enough impact and that like I'm
54:32
Speaker 4: like questioning what I'm doing next and why there isn't
54:35
Speaker 4: anything in the pipelines, and like I'm probably getting old
54:38
Speaker 4: and blah blah blah. Like I do that too. I
54:40
Speaker 4: feel like we're we're just all human beings trying to
54:43
Speaker 4: do our best. But thank you for saying that. It
54:45
Speaker 4: means a lot to me. I love you both so much, Ashley.
54:48
Speaker 4: I feel like you didn't get to get much of
54:50
Speaker 4: a word in, but I love you so much. And no,
54:52
Speaker 4: I like this. This is supposed to be a hashing
54:54
Speaker 4: out of good too. I'm just here for as a
54:55
Speaker 4: sidekick today. And sometimes, you know, it feels weird when
54:59
Speaker 4: you have like real ends on the podcast because you're like,
55:01
Speaker 4: I'm Internet the real front, right. I know we're like
55:04
Speaker 4: just caught up recently. But also I'm like, I don't.
55:07
Speaker 4: I also don't want people to think like we just
55:09
Speaker 4: come on here and talk about my exes like that's
55:11
Speaker 4: It's just like the nature of the show and people
55:15
Speaker 4: knowing who other people are, so it comes up. But yeah,
55:19
Speaker 4: nothing but love for everybody.
55:21
Speaker 5: But speaking of that, let's just get one headline. How
55:24
Speaker 5: do you feel about Nick's wedding this weekend?
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Speaker 4: Was and I invited? That's the best headline I could
55:31
Speaker 4: I didn't think I was going to get invited, but no,
55:34
Speaker 4: I'm so happy. It's so funny because you know, people
55:38
Speaker 4: people on in the world and who follow the Bachelor franchise,
55:42
Speaker 4: they think of marriage and babies as the biggest accomplishment.
55:46
Speaker 4: So I think that's why sometimes I feel like what
55:48
Speaker 4: am I doing? And I look at you know, Nick,
55:51
Speaker 4: It gets married, Sean has a baby, Jason has a
55:53
Speaker 4: new girlfriend, and I'm like, fuck, But really, I'm just
55:56
Speaker 4: so proud of like where I'm going and where I'm
55:59
Speaker 4: at and who I'm trying to be. So I just
56:02
Speaker 4: hope people see that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I said that. I meant what I
56:05
Speaker 2: said that was not just said that was that was meant.
56:08
Speaker 2: I believe you from the bottom of my heart.
56:10
Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 2: Actually, to close this out, you said you'd be a sidekick.
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Speaker 2: Whose sidekick would you have been mine? Or Kaylin's?
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Speaker 3: Well, I feel like today I was. I was your
56:19
Speaker 3: side cake then, but typically it'd be Kaitlin's. I would
56:25
Speaker 3: be a sidekick to both of you. But I think
56:26
Speaker 3: I'm more naturally your sidekake.
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Speaker 2: Then, because we're sidekicks every day.
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Speaker 5: Every like, multiple times a week.
56:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
56:34
Speaker 4: Sidekick.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a great sidekick. I love Ashley a lot.
56:37
Speaker 2: We've done this eighty years. I couldn't do it without her. Well, hey,
56:40
Speaker 2: I couldn't do without all of you listening. Uh, Caitlyn,
56:43
Speaker 2: thanks for coming on. We appreciate you so much. Until
56:45
Speaker 2: next time. This has been the Almost Famous podcast and
56:47
Speaker 2: I've been been Ashley.
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Speaker 4: And I've been Caitlin. Yet.
56:52
Speaker 2: Thank you.
56:54
Speaker 5: Gets it.
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