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Katie Santry: From Content to Community & Building a Life You Love · Mommywood

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  Welcome to Mommy Wood, the podcast where motherhood meets
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  Hollywood. Real moms, real talk, no
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  scripts. I'm your host, Emily Bolt, and
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  we are talking about the messy, funny and unfiltered side of
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  being a mom in the entertainment industry.
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  Today's guest is someone you probably already know, but if
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  for some reason you don't yet, you are about to.
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  She's a vlogger, a beauty lover for a foodie, and a mom whose
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  life has been watched by millions, literally.
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  With over 2 million followers on TikTok, nearly 200,000 on
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  Instagram, and a wildly loyal YouTube community, she's become
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  one of the most relatable and beloved mom creators on the
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  Internet. I love her as well.
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  I'm such a fan. But what really makes her
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  special is what she's done beyond the screen of social
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  media. She has taken her community that
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  she's built online and turned it into something real.
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  Launching her Mom's Meet Up Club in Columbus, OH, which is a
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  space where moms can actually show up, make friends and feel
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  less alone in this craziness of life.
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  She is a mom of two little boys. She has been so open and honest
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  and just a open book about the ups and downs of her journey.
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  And now she is remarried and she is showing what's possible when
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  you keep choosing yourself, your kids, your joy.
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  And this was such an incredible conversation.
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  I really related to her on so many things, so her honesty and
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  candor is just so refreshing. She brings honesty, warmth,
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  humor, and heart to like everything she does.
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  And today we're getting into motherhood, beauty, community,
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  and what it looks like to build a life that you truly love.
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  This was such a fun chat. I've said, I said many times in
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  this interview that I I wish I was in Columbus sometimes and I
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  wish she could move to LA and we could be best friends.
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  You're gonna love her if you don't already.
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  You're about to. This is Mommy would with Katie
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  Santry. Yay.
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  Hey, Katie Santry. I'm so it is Santry, right?
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  That's how you. Yes.
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  Yeah. Maybe it was like Santry.
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  You know, I wish it was fancier, but no.
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  My last name is Bolt, so I get it.
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  It's yeah, not fancy. I'm so excited to chat with you,
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  a fan girl over here. Love your content and just you
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  in general, but for people who I don't know who would not be
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  familiar with you, you have literally millions of followers.
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  But can you kind of, we're gonna start with like just who Katie
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  is 'cause I know you're in Ohio now.
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  Were you originally from Columbus?
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  I know you that you were in LA for a bit.
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  Let's do a little Yeah. Where did Katie start out?
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  A little history lesson. So I'm from Erie, PA originally,
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  and then my sister and I had started making YouTube videos
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  when we were in school and YouTube it like just I'm 35 S
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  like YouTube was fresh and yeah, we had found the Jonas Brothers
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  on Myspace. Like I know I'm aging myself
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  here, but like that's it is. I'm older than you so I'll OK.
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  So yeah, we had found the Jonas Brothers on Myspace and luckily
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  my mom was like a like, hair band hung out on like the tour
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  bus with Guns and Roses. So like she was so all about
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  like getting us our like concert experience.
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  So they were playing a free mall show.
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  So we like drove there the night before, camped out, did the
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  whole thing for no reason. It was free.
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  Like, I don't know what we were thinking, but we ended up
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  getting like meet and greets and like meeting them and telling
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  them that we had like a website calledjonasbrothersfan.com and
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  we were doing these YouTube videos and we were like, could
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  we interview you and like do it, put it on our YouTube channel.
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  So that's like really when this started.
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  And there's, it's so funny because I disappeared for a long
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  time off of the interwebs while I like got married, had kids and
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  then coming back, so many people were like, Oh my God.
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  Like they remembered me from the OG JS.
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  So it's been like so fun, like reconnecting with people who
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  Remember Me from back then. So yeah, it was like I was a
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  YouTube when I was in high school and we were travelling so
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  much that I had to be homeschooled.
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  So we were like, yeah, so we were interviewing Jonas Brothers
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  all the time, Demi Lovato. And then we were on like the
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  Hannah Montana movie red carpet premiere, and we were in New
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  York and the Jonas Brothers took us to the Bahamas and we went to
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  the. Yeah, Oh my God.
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  OK I do not no previous Katie. So now I'm like the lore excuse.
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  Me, yeah. That's incredible.
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  Yeah, wow. So you that's a OK, so
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  especially with YouTube being like newer back then, which is
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  not that long ago. OK everyone let's settle down.
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  But that must have been so wild for you with like friends and
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  stuff or even just like explaining what you were doing
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  and the idea of like having to get out of school.
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  Did my sister also. Yeah, I was 16, my sister was 14
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  when we started. And so we were from a super
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  small town and a lot like pretty much everybody was mean to us.
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  It was like, it was jealousy, like, obviously, and I knew that
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  at the time. But my sister has a very
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  different personality than me and it was really hard for her.
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  Even teachers would like, pull our YouTube videos up in class
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  to like, make fun of us. Yes.
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  Can you admit a small town live in for you?
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  I know. So wait, I'm really.
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  Swear on this podcast. Yes, yes, you're good.
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  OK. So fucked.
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  Can you imagine though? Now like none of that would fly.
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  That's. No.
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  Wild. I think that also now you would
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  probably get more people obviously like jealous but also
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  trying to be like can I? Oh yeah, it would be such a
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  different experience in school now because everyone wants to be
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  a tech talker. Everybody want like it wasn't a
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  thing. It was like the beginning time.
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  It was like Jenna Marble was we had more followers than her.
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  Like, like we were starting at Yeah, we were the, we were the
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  beginning of YouTube. I'm going to have to like go
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  back and watch. No, I it's.
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  Some of it's so embarrassing. Oh my God.
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  Well, Oh my, can I cannot imagine.
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  That's one of the things I'm like grateful that I mean, I had
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  a phone when I started driving, I guess, but it I like barely
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  was even texting like that one, but to be able to that's one of
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  the things I'm like I'm glad that I didn't have like.
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  The sort of a footprint, yeah. Because I would have been like,
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  because I was a musical theater nerd, so I would have been such
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  a loser. Yeah, making like Glee videos
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  and posting them on YouTube. Just singing and dancing.
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  I love it. But it's a nice little like Time
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  Capsule. Wait, so you were like already
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  making income then? Yeah.
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  And then I moved to LA when I was 19 because this whole thing
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  had like blown up. So now we have Jonas Brothers
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  fan.com, we have demilovato.com, Justin Bieber Fever, We have all
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  these little websites that are living under.
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  So we called it Fan Gap. And so my sister and I were at
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  the gap between the fans and the celebrities because and like our
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  we did so good because we were just as excited as the fans.
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  Like we're the same. It wasn't like watching Ryan
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  Seacrest interview the Jonas Brothers, like he doesn't give a
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  shit. It was girls who like have their
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  posters in their room. Like, so our reactions were
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  exactly how anybody who was watching would have reacted.
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  And so, like, it's interesting now being older, being able to
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  look back because I used to be like, we're we're not even good
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  at this. Like, why are why do people
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  like, love watching us? But now I get it.
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  Yeah. You're watching yourself as
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  like, yeah, like, yeah. So we did that.
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  And then Mr. Jonas, the Jonas Brother's dad, he was starting a
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  business called Cambio, and so it was going to be kind of like
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  what we were doing. And he hired me to move to LA
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  when I was 19. And yeah, I moved in with
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  Tiffany Thornton. She was tawny on Sunny with a
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  chance. So I'd interviewed her and I,
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  like, tweeted that I was moving to LA and I was looking for an
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  apartment. She, like, tweets me back.
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  She's like, moving with me. And I was like, what?
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  OK. That's wild.
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  So, well, so then you kind of started that obviously like as a
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  kid was there like, because I know it's different, like
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  wanting like growing up, like wanting to be an actor or
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  wanting to be, you know, whatever.
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  Was there something specific that you were like, oh, this is
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  what I want to be, Although that's hard because it kind of
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  happened. For you, I wanted to be Ryan
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  Seacrest. I like I would say it all the
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  time. I was going to, I was going to
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  go to college for communication PR.
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  I had always wanted to be Ryan Seacrest, whatever that meant to
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  me. Like at the time, I don't even
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  really know, but that's like what I used to tell people.
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  So then I couldn't go away to school though, because my sister
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  was still, because she was younger than me.
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  We were doing it together. So then I had to like not move
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  to Pittsburgh for college like I planned on.
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  I had a roommate and everything and I ended up just doing local
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  college. And thankfully for my mom, which
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  I think a lot of parents wouldn't do, but she said she
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  was like, college will always be there, this opportunity won't
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  like don't go and like what parent tells the kid not to go
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  to college? But I want to.
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  I feel like now it's kind of like, that's definitely, yeah,
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  more unheard of back then. Sure.
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  And of course I, I think of that too, because I'm like, I don't,
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  I would want my daughter to go to college, but like, you know,
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  it's literally a bajillion dollars.
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  Like who? Most people aren't even using
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  their degree like. Yeah, and now I don't have.
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  Student debt experience, but it's like I'm not going to pay,
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  you know, 30 grand a year for to have a roommate like I.
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  Yeah, it's. Tricky but good for your mom.
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  That's like a big picture of her to do that.
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  So then how was the like the trickle out effect of that then?
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  Cuz was it more because your sister was younger or did things
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  just like die down? Or was there like a choice of
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  like the taking the break and all that?
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  Yeah, like I so I moved to LA when I was 19.
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  I lived there. I did big red carpets, sets of
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  music videos, TV shows, like I was doing it all feel.
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  Like I am Ryan Seacrest. Yeah, I was, I was the living
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  dream of exactly what I wanted to do.
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  And then so I did that for like a little over a year.
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  And then while I was there, like my parents got divorced and my
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  three younger siblings were back home having like a really hard
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  time and I missed my boyfriend. And like, just like I was so
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  young. Not that I would change it
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  because like I have my kids and everything now, but in
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  hindsight, I should have stayed. Like I just got very like
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  emotional and 19 and or, you know, at that point I'm 21 and I
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  was like, I miss my boyfriend, who I'm obviously not with now,
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  And my siblings though definitely like having a hard
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  time with my parents getting divorced.
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  I was like, yeah, I just feel like I shouldn't be here doing
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  this when like my family's crumbling back home.
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  Like I should be at home so. Here and I feel like that's, you
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  know, a hard thing even like as we grow up too, or it's like
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  with career and family where it's like you the the balancing
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  of it, where it's like, well, do I do this and leave for a bit or
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  stay like it's yeah, always that.
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  But it was a radio DJ. When I came home, so I was like,
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  I'm still in the entertainment. Like I was a radio DJ for a Top
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  40 station. So I was like still Living by
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  Ryan Seacrest Dream, but on a smaller scale.
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  So I thought I would stay in it for longer.
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  But I did that for like a year, and then I was burned out,
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  honestly, yeah. So then what brought you back to
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  the social media? Yeah, like So what?
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  15 years later like rug story. Yeah, that really blew up.
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  Yeah, I started posting so 2020, I was like Insta posting a
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  little and I got to like 5000 followers because my husband at
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  the time and I, we owned restaurants and they were all
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  closed. I was just bored out of my mind.
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  I just had my first miscarriage. And so I was just like trying to
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  entertain myself. And I've always obviously like,
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  liked interacting and social and all those kinds of things.
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  So it's like, oh, let me like be an Instagrammer.
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  And then that I just stopped doing that.
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  And then I had Fast forward. So that's 20/20/2024.
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  I have my second miscarriage and for I don't know why the
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  miscarriage is the thing that prompts me back to the Internet,
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  because that's why I started making Tik Toks again.
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  It's like I need like, yeah, I don't know.
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  Like, I, I feel like I don't want to burden the people in my
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  life with just talking about it over and over.
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  So I'll talk to the phone and I'm getting all of my things out
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  and I'm not like annoying the people, not that they would
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  truly probably be annoyed with me, but it feels that way.
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  So I just started making content about miscarriage, trying to get
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  pregnant again. It just all the things.
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  And then I found a rug six weeks later after I started posting
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  for the first time, and I went from a few followers to 2
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  million. That's so wild.
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  So it was like you found this rug that was buried in your
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  backyard and it so people were just like following this whole
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  story and figuring out where this rug if is there a dead body
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  who does all of these things? That's so wild.
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  What? Just like?
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  I know. Licks and catches on.
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  So from there, how do you go that's such well, I guess you're
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  use you were you had had the experience of having.
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  Yeah. Following and stuff.
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  Yeah, different having this following like this big
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  following all of a sudden as an adult.
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  Yeah, it definitely. I think I'm very lucky in that
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  if I hadn't had the experience from when I was younger, I think
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  it would have been way harder. But because I had lived in this
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  realm before, I kind of was like, OK, I can figure this out,
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  but I didn't really know what to do with it.
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  So I thought I needed to stay with spooky things.
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  And I was starting like a ghost story podcast.
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  And I was like telling ghost stories that were submitted to
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  me online. And I thought that was where I
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  needed to stay. And then I got pregnant two
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  months later and I was like, I'm just going to talk about my life
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  and talk about being pregnant. And then it's kind of morphed
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  into what it is now, which is a much better, more comfortable
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  space than me. Just like being a spooky
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  storyteller. As much as I love the spook like
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  it, I didn't want that to be like, oh Katie Santry is just
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  like the girl talks about ghost stories.
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  Yeah, well, I love it. I love, I mean, I love your
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  ghost story, but I love your content and just the fact that
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  you're so open about everything, which I feel like is such a hard
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  thing because of course, especially with Instagram,
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  everything like being so like picture perfect and we're
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  definitely kind of getting out of that.
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  But like, that's so hard, 'cause I still, I'm like, I'm gonna use
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  a filter for it's like that type of stuff where it's like so hard
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  to just like be yourself and share all of the parts with you,
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  especially after, after becoming a mom and being like, wait, who
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  am I? What am I doing?
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  Like all of that stuff. So did you feel like after you
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  became a mom? And, and obviously I'm so sorry
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  that you had that, that you've struggled with all of that.
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  And but I'm, I'm sure so many people, obviously, so many
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  people can relate to your story with miscarriage and all of
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  that. Like after becoming a mom, did
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  you feel like parts of you like obviously, but that there are
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  certain parts of you that kind of disappeared or like changed
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  or what? Something about like surprised
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  you most about how like motherhood changed you If if it
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  if it did. So my mom was a stay at home mom
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  and she lived and breathed for us.
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  She was the PTO president, she was the soccer coach, she was my
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  Girl Scout leader. She was she, she did the talent
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  show, she did all the things. And I took so much from that,
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  good and bad, and that she was so involved in like we were her
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  world, which is great to an extent, but like we were it.
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  She she fully lost her own identity and she was just mom.
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  And so when I went into having my first son, I knew that I
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  wanted to stay Katie and not only be mom.
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  And that is like my biggest goal in that biggest goal, I guess in
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  motherhood. But like, just as a human, it's
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  like, I'm still just a girl and I still want to exist outside of
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  motherhood. And so like when I see people
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  who've never left their kids overnight and like, I do all of
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  that. And I, there's some people who
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  probably look at that they're like, oh, if she didn't want to
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  have kids, Like just, it's not that I, I love, I'm obsessed by
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  sons, but like, I want to still live my life.
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  And I don't think that we have to give that up just because we
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  have kids and we become moms. Like I think that they can
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  coexist and I can be Katie and I can be mom.
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  And that to me has been like the biggest learning experience and
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  like balancing that, especially like I got divorced when my son
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  was 1. And so it's been a lot of a lot
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  of learning, but one of my biggest things is like
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  maintaining self identity. Yeah, yeah.
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  I feel like I was almost surprised.
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  And I feel like I don't hear this kind of side of it more.
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  Obviously yours was also intentional.
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  But when we hear, you know, we hear so much about motherhood
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  where they're like, I'm a new human, like I'm a mom now.
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  My like, I've changed to my core and like all of these like big
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  ideas that I don't know what I thought was gonna happen when I
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  became a mom that I was like scared to be like, oh, I'm gonna
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  change. And then I did not where I'm
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  like now I just have another human that I love and I'm
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  obsessed with. But I'm like, oh I still have
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  the same thoughts and the same once and the same goal.
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  Yeah, I still want to travel like I still want to go drop it
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  low at a bar once in a blue moon.
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  Like I still, I'm still that same.
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  Like I still say shit like nothing.
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  I'm still the same person. So I feel the same way.
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  Like people like it completely changed me.
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  I'm like I disagree. I don't know if that's good or
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  bad but like I still very much hold true to myself and who I
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  was before I was a mom. Well, we're together on that.
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  I'm glad. There must be other people that.
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  Yeah, we can't be alone. Yeah, Or even when people are
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  like, I don't know if it's just when people are like, I never
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  knew I could love like this or like being a parent has changed
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  me in a way that like I didn't know was possible.
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  And I think that was also a huge thing for me where I'm like,
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  again, I was like, I don't know what I thought was just going to
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  like change me completely. So then I felt like there was
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  something wrong with me where when I was like, I feel the
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  same. And I don't feel like there was
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  a 180, so I was expecting to love my daughter as much.
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  Yeah, I love her. Like, I don't know what people
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  expect beforehand. So I was like, I don't, I don't.
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  Yeah, someone like I killed everyone for my kid, but like, I
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  knew that going into it. Like that's the I wasn't shocked
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  at how much I love him. Like I would do anything,
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  anything on earth for him. Like, but I knew that, yeah, but
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  I, yeah, I mean, but I watched like, like I said, a very
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  involved mom who loved the shit out of us.
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  And so I just. And I like when I was a kid,
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  like I was in second grade, it's like, what do you want to be
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  when you grow up? A mom?
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  Like, that's what I used to say. So I always knew that I wanted
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  to like love on my babies, but definitely like still stay
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  myself. Yeah.
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  Oh my gosh, that's sweet. And you're, I forgot to start
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  off, but you have two boys. What are their names and ages?
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  So Austin's four and 1/2. He'll be five in May, which is
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  so crazy. And then Landon is gonna be 5
• 23:42
  months in like a week and 1/2. I was just gonna say I was like,
• 23:45
  you have a very new one. So first of all, thank you for
• 23:50
  giving big here. I'm like, that's that you're,
• 23:56
  you're like in. I mean, as parents we're always
• 23:59
  in the thick of it, but yeah. Five, I have two step kids too.
• 24:04
  Oh, right, yes, and. How old are?
• 24:06
  They. 15 and 12:00 So we have a high schooler and a newborn.
• 24:12
  In our house, you're just ranging it because you're your
• 24:15
  husband now was married also. Yeah.
• 24:18
  So that's that's kind of nice of what you were talking one of
• 24:22
  your posts recently about like how you know now or after you
• 24:29
  got divorced. You're like, oh, I'm very
• 24:32
  specific about like what I want in.
• 24:35
  Oh yeah. How did and you started dating
• 24:40
  pretty soon after your divorce. But what would you say was
• 24:47
  harder? Like the divorce or like the
• 24:52
  time after? I feel like for most women, or
• 24:57
  at least this is like me and I assume like we like mentally
• 25:01
  divorce before we actually do it.
• 25:04
  So even though like on paper like I was quickly dating, like
• 25:10
  we separated in June and I met my now husband in October.
• 25:16
  So like there's only a few months in between that, but
• 25:20
  Christmas like end of the year before that.
• 25:23
  So like for a solid 6 months I knew.
• 25:28
  And it's crazy because if we had never had kids, we probably
• 25:31
  would have been married forever. Everything for me was when we
• 25:36
  had our son, he just could not look outside of himself or put
• 25:46
  other people ahead of his own needs.
• 25:48
  And I was single moming while I was married and I was like what
• 25:52
  the why am I cleaning up after this baby and my husband?
• 25:56
  Like this is fucking stupid. And there's so many women though
• 25:59
  who like are in that boat and they'll stay married forever and
• 26:03
  like couldn't be me. I just knew that there had to be
• 26:06
  better and like I there was no reason that I would have to be
• 26:09
  miserable like this for the rest of time.
• 26:11
  And my parents stayed married for the kids.
• 26:14
  And I think that set me so far in the opposite direction that I
• 26:19
  never wanted to stay married for the kids because I saw a
• 26:23
  loveless marriage that to this day has made it very hard for me
• 26:27
  to be affectionate to people because there was really, like,
• 26:30
  no affection when I was growing up.
• 26:33
  Yeah. That's hard.
• 26:34
  And so I was like, I don't want that for like my kids.
• 26:38
  Like I want my son to see me so in love and him know that that's
• 26:42
  what he wants one day versus like I look at my parents
• 26:45
  relationship and I'm like OK, that's what I don't want and I
• 26:48
  just didn't want that so. You want, I want same.
• 26:52
  Excuse me where? It's like, I want my daughter to
• 26:57
  be like, Oh my God, stop kissing or like like each other.
• 27:03
  They still have crushes on each other, like that type of thing.
• 27:07
  I totally, I can totally feel it.
• 27:09
  My parents are still together, but I feel like, you know, I saw
• 27:14
  them kiss and stuff, but they were never like, you know,
• 27:18
  making out in the kitchen or like, obviously there's a line I
• 27:23
  don't want, you know, but yeah, you're like, I'm not trying to
• 27:26
  get in between it, but yeah, that's nice.
• 27:31
  Then also that your that your husband now had that
• 27:37
  understanding of probably what he wants in a partner.
• 27:42
  Yeah. And he had been divorced for
• 27:43
  five years when we met, and he hadn't really dated anybody.
• 27:48
  So it was like a very thankfully I was in therapy, like through
• 27:52
  my getting divorced, and we were in therapy together and we still
• 27:57
  landed in divorce. But yeah, so he had been
• 28:00
  divorced for five years, never dated anybody.
• 28:03
  And so for him, he was like, so set in, it's just him and the
• 28:06
  kids, him and the kids. And so we actually after a
• 28:09
  couple months of dating, broke up for a few months because I
• 28:12
  was like, if you can't bring me into your world, like I can't
• 28:16
  just be out here with Austin. Like we have to do this
• 28:21
  together. And so we ended up breaking up
• 28:24
  for a few months and then I was on the dating apps, going on
• 28:29
  shit date after shit date with people who I was like, never
• 28:33
  would I ever see myself with you.
• 28:35
  And so then he though, like, was totally working on himself
• 28:40
  'cause he knew I was right and knew that he needed to, like,
• 28:43
  figure it out. And so when we got back
• 28:45
  together, he, it was like so much better.
• 28:49
  But yeah, he had been divorced for a long time.
• 28:52
  Does he have boys or girls? It's a boy and a girl.
• 28:55
  Oh, OK. Well, that's nice.
• 28:59
  It was there was there any like, was it hard knowing like when to
• 29:11
  when you both were going to like, like you said, bring each
• 29:16
  other in to each other's lives. We're having kids.
• 29:19
  Like what was what was that like?
• 29:22
  Because you probably don't want to introduce your kid to like
• 29:26
  you're saying, you're not going to introduce them to the.
• 29:30
  Yeah. Idiots that you're not going to
• 29:34
  end up with. So what was?
• 29:37
  Was there just like a time that you were like, this is probably
• 29:40
  going to be? Yeah, well, so I left our very
• 29:43
  first date and I called my friend and I said either he's
• 29:45
  going to break my heart or I'm going to marry him.
• 29:47
  Like I knew from the first date he was just like the best person
• 29:51
  I'd ever met. And he was like the most
• 29:54
  beautiful specimen who had this, like, the heart of gold,
• 29:58
  sweetest, kindest, most like, actually thought he hated me
• 30:01
  when we first met because he wouldn't make eye contact with
• 30:03
  me, like, wouldn't look at me. I was like, Oh my God, does he
• 30:05
  like become ugly? Like, but I didn't know he was
• 30:08
  so shy. And so we're so opposite because
• 30:12
  I don't have a shy bone in my body.
• 30:16
  So, yeah, I, I knew that he was like an incredible human being
• 30:20
  from day one. And so he met my son way before
• 30:24
  I met his kids because his kids were so much older versus like
• 30:28
  with Austin. And we would just go to like a
• 30:30
  playground so he could just be a friend.
• 30:34
  Like you can't introduce me to a 12 year old.
• 30:37
  Like she would know. She'd be like, yeah, no, this
• 30:39
  must be a girlfriend. Austin was 1 1/2.
• 30:42
  He's like someone to play with me.
• 30:43
  This is great. Yeah, you're older.
• 30:46
  They're putting it together. Yeah, so.
• 30:50
  And it was so funny because when he, like, dropped the bomb on
• 30:52
  the kids, they were like, yeah, we know.
• 30:54
  Like, you're literally texting someone with a heart in her name
• 30:56
  every day. You think we don't see you,
• 30:58
  like, pick up your phone? So they had already put it
• 31:00
  together long before he thought they did.
• 31:03
  But yeah, so he met Austin after like a month, like at a
• 31:07
  playground like that kind of stuff.
• 31:10
  Yeah, that's nice. Yeah.
• 31:12
  That's so funny. Yeah.
• 31:14
  Like kids always know. Yeah, he's like, so I have to
• 31:17
  tell you something. It's been five years since I got
• 31:20
  divorced. I have a girlfriend and they're
• 31:22
  like no shit at no. Yeah, we.
• 31:25
  We clocked that thing. Yeah, like, give us more credit.
• 31:30
  So funny. Well, with him being such a shy
• 31:34
  person and and having two step kids, I feel like you aren't
• 31:42
  sharing them as much and that is that definitely like a conscious
• 31:48
  thing. Is he and how does he feel about
• 31:52
  you share? I mean, obviously he's
• 31:54
  supportive of you wouldn't be together, but like, yeah, how is
• 31:59
  that for him as like a shy person with older like, yeah.
• 32:06
  It was in the beginning when like all the rug stuff first
• 32:09
  happened. He hated it.
• 32:10
  He used to say like it was like a problem.
• 32:13
  Like he was like, you're like on your phone so much now.
• 32:18
  And well, and I quickly, I ended up getting laid off like a
• 32:22
  couple weeks later because my company was like going through
• 32:24
  the shits and I knew it was coming anyway.
• 32:26
  So the timing was I was very lucky.
• 32:30
  And so yeah, he absolutely hated it at first.
• 32:34
  He and it was a it was it's been purposefully A conscious
• 32:39
  decision to leave the big kids off because they're their mom.
• 32:45
  Like doesn't want them on my social media when it's
• 32:48
  uncontrolled, like on her end, which if I was her, I would
• 32:52
  totally agree. And like I know what I am OK
• 32:56
  with with Austin, but like I can't make that call with
• 32:58
  someone else's children. So Kaylee and Bert, a lot of
• 33:03
  people don't even know that I have step kids because they're
• 33:06
  never in my content unless you're like on Instagram and
• 33:09
  you're heavy in my stories. I'll talk about them, but you
• 33:12
  don't see them really ever. And so that's on purpose.
• 33:15
  And Brandon, I've tried to do videos with him.
• 33:18
  He loves it. Now he'll like come into a live
• 33:21
  and like talk and like all the live girls.
• 33:24
  I've got like a good gang of girls that like come in my lives
• 33:27
  all the time. And they have like inside jokes
• 33:29
  about him because if I'll start talking inappropriately, he's
• 33:32
  always like, all right, like that's my cue.
• 33:34
  I'm gonna go because I'll like talk about sex, like I'll talk
• 33:37
  about anything. And he'll be the right there.
• 33:39
  And he's like, oh, I can't handle this.
• 33:42
  So yeah, he, he like, he's, he likes it now.
• 33:46
  Like if we go out in public and someone comes up to me, he's
• 33:50
  like, he'll say it before I do. He's like, oh, yeah, you
• 33:53
  recognize her from TikTok, huh? Like, he's very into it now.
• 33:57
  But at first it used to make him like, very uncomfortable.
• 34:00
  He's like my biggest fan now. Yeah, that's got to be hard when
• 34:06
  I mean, I also can't imagine the opposite where where it would be
• 34:09
  like partners doing social media together.
• 34:14
  I wouldn't I I don't think I would do well with my husband.
• 34:20
  Yeah. I'll share my yeah, that that
• 34:23
  would be a whole other thing too.
• 34:25
  So it's I feel like it's tricky either way and it's just like
• 34:28
  what? Yeah, like if I'm doing like a
• 34:31
  bit like tonight, we're starting sleep training with Landon.
• 34:35
  Bless you. Yeah.
• 34:38
  And so I'm going to do like a night routine video.
• 34:40
  So Brandon will be in it. So it's like if if he's there
• 34:44
  and he's in it, then he's in it and like he's fine to be in it.
• 34:47
  But we don't like make like couples content.
• 34:49
  Really. Yeah.
• 34:49
  Yeah, that'd be interesting. What do you feel like the the
• 34:53
  weirdest part about having so many people follow you?
• 34:59
  Like there's millions of people. Follow.
• 35:03
  You and like, what's the weirdest, weirdest and best and
• 35:10
  hardest part of of all of that? Because I can't imagine that's
• 35:16
  so many. Yeah, it yeah.
• 35:19
  I'm like, it's funny when I look at my content from like when it
• 35:23
  all first happened, I was trying to like.
• 35:28
  Not. Not that I think I was like not
• 35:30
  being myself, but I was definitely putting on more
• 35:34
  versus now I've I'm just, I am so unapologetically me and it
• 35:40
  actually like I get more followers that way.
• 35:42
  And so I'm like, if I can, I think if I was, I think doing
• 35:45
  content would feel like work if you were trying to act not
• 35:51
  yourself. Like if I was trying to portray
• 35:54
  a perfect life and always had to have my makeup done before, I
• 35:58
  would film like, I don't think I could be doing this job like at
• 36:02
  all. I think that it works because I
• 36:05
  will film with no makeup, no bra, no pants, Like I don't
• 36:09
  care. Like whatever I am in in that
• 36:11
  moment. Like that's what you get.
• 36:15
  Oh my God, I know that really got me when?
• 36:18
  When your. Son was like, wait, you're not
• 36:21
  wearing underwear, dying so good.
• 36:27
  He's like. And then the fact that he said
• 36:28
  wait and then like a full like 30 seconds later, like he's just
• 36:31
  processing it. Like I swear my mom just said
• 36:33
  she didn't have undies on like what the hell.
• 36:36
  So good. Yeah.
• 36:38
  And so like I just am me and I that's like one thing.
• 36:43
  Like I don't think I will ever change no matter if it if I
• 36:45
  become like and Avery Woods and I have all this money and like
• 36:49
  content is like really going for me for years.
• 36:52
  Like I just I just am like very down to earth.
• 36:56
  I think growing up in like a small town and ton of siblings.
• 37:01
  And yeah, so I think that's like the fun part is that it's a job,
• 37:06
  but I don't treat it differently than like it's very natural
• 37:12
  because I just share what I'm actually doing.
• 37:14
  I don't put on a show. Are you, I mean, are you also
• 37:18
  like that to like in your real life?
• 37:22
  Cuz like with is that hard being like oh, Aunt Rita's gonna see
• 37:29
  this or whatever. Do you ever?
• 37:31
  No, I don't. Have a hard time with that?
• 37:33
  No, like I like moving on. I have always been that way
• 37:40
  though. Like I, I don't care, like love
• 37:45
  me or hate me, but it's going to be for who I am.
• 37:48
  Like no one's going to love me for someone I'm not.
• 37:50
  And if you hate me, it's because you just don't like me.
• 37:52
  And like that's OK. Like I like my mother-in-law
• 37:56
  follows me and there's times where I'm like, oh, she probably
• 37:58
  felt weird seeing that one because like I made a video when
• 38:01
  I was pregnant about wanting my husband to stick his fingers in
• 38:06
  my vagina and see if he can see if I'm dilated.
• 38:09
  Like and then there was comments of like, oh, that's that's you
• 38:14
  could get and I said, you're nothing's going like it, just
• 38:19
  you just don't care. Like I really like.
• 38:22
  I will say whatever I. Feel like that takes like some
• 38:28
  people, some people never get to that point in their life and I
• 38:31
  feel like that takes so much time for especially for women to
• 38:39
  be like, it is what it is. I am who I am.
• 38:42
  Like, so it is so great. And I feel like that's such like
• 38:48
  an inspiration to people following you where it's like,
• 38:53
  oh, she's being herself without apology that and has.
• 38:59
  And it's clearly connecting with all of these people.
• 39:03
  And as you said, the more you are just you just like makes the
• 39:10
  connection. Yeah.
• 39:12
  Like the more messy the video, the better it does like the more
• 39:15
  realistic and like I've talked about like my Zoloft sitting
• 39:19
  right in front of me, like I'm on anti like for postpartum
• 39:22
  anxiety, postpartum depression. And I just like I'm such an open
• 39:26
  book. And because I I think that it's
• 39:29
  so detrimental. I think social media can be so
• 39:32
  great and so terrible. Like I have found myself in the
• 39:36
  comparison scroll especially. I think like you said, Instagram
• 39:40
  can be worse because it's more picture perfect and a lot of the
• 39:42
  influencers I followed have perfect looking lives and 6
• 39:46
  packs two weeks after they have a baby and it's just like what
• 39:49
  the hell? And so I like used to find
• 39:53
  myself just like I'm not good enough.
• 39:56
  I'm not this, I'm not that. And I never want someone to
• 39:59
  scroll onto one of my videos and be like I'm not enough.
• 40:02
  Like I want them to scroll into my videos and be like, yes,
• 40:04
  bitch, me too. Like you know what I mean?
• 40:08
  I don't, I never want to have the oh, I wish.
• 40:11
  I oh, she's looks so like she has it all together.
• 40:14
  I don't get that. Like in DM sometimes people be
• 40:17
  like, oh, you just look like you like he's your son is so perfect
• 40:21
  or like you just look like this is so easy for you.
• 40:23
  And I'm like, if that's how I'm making it look, I'm sorry.
• 40:25
  Because like, let me tell you, like I don't.
• 40:28
  Yeah. Well, and that says a lot, you
• 40:32
  know, for the people who are not like you and don't feel like
• 40:37
  they can be, you know, themselves unapologetically,
• 40:41
  they're probably watching your content because they feel the
• 40:45
  same way as you but aren't able. So it's kind of like it can be
• 40:49
  their outlet for themselves to like see themselves through you.
• 40:55
  And they're like, yes. Yeah, I feel like especially
• 40:58
  with the car crash outs that I do, that's like one of the main
• 41:02
  like things I get. I was like same same same same
• 41:06
  like all the time. Yeah.
• 41:07
  People are like, I want to go sit in my car with a bottle of
• 41:09
  wine so bad. I'm like, go do it, do it.
• 41:11
  Well, it was funny too, because when I was, I have two older
• 41:14
  sisters, when I was telling them, I was like, I'm talking to
• 41:18
  Katie, and I was like, she's the 1.
• 41:20
  And I was like, you follow her? I was like, she's the one who
• 41:22
  does the car. And they were like, got it.
• 41:27
  They're like, we know, got it now.
• 41:30
  But I was like, yeah, can I sit alone in my car and just eat all
• 41:35
  this goodness? It's.
• 41:37
  Great, I might do one tonight. Depending on how sleep training
• 41:40
  goes, I might need to sleep. Training is the best and the
• 41:46
  worst. Obviously you've been you've
• 41:50
  been there before, but. Yeah.
• 41:52
  Godspeed. Yeah, so it it now that it is
• 41:59
  this is also it's you being you, but it is a job.
• 42:03
  So what what was that like? Obviously you said the timing of
• 42:10
  it was good with the rock video and be in the your previous job
• 42:16
  ending anyway, but how did it become a like a business?
• 42:23
  I don't need to quote it, but a. Business yeah I and I had a hard
• 42:28
  time like accepting it. I didn't I waited until so the
• 42:32
  rug happened in October and I didn't LLC until the following
• 42:35
  June because I just kept waiting for it to go away because I was
• 42:40
  like, there's no way this is my job.
• 42:43
  Like this is the fucking dream. Like this is what we like.
• 42:47
  Any person who's ever posted a video is wants this to be their
• 42:52
  job. And I just was like, there's no
• 42:55
  way that I get to do this again. Like who gets to do this twice
• 42:59
  in their life? There's just no way.
• 43:02
  So yeah, it definitely like took me a while to like accept it.
• 43:06
  And once I finally did, that's when I started like making a
• 43:08
  content calendar and I was like, OK, these are the ideas I have
• 43:12
  that I want to get done and this is what I'm going to film on
• 43:14
  Monday. And does it always happen?
• 43:16
  Absolutely not. Like I'm still like I have a
• 43:20
  video that I've been saying I'm going to film for the last like
• 43:22
  2 weeks. And I'm like, OK, I'll do it
• 43:23
  tomorrow. Kids life with kids.
• 43:26
  And you know, but yeah, it's definitely been.
• 43:30
  And I have a management team now and I'm hiring a part time nanny
• 43:36
  slash assistant this month. Like I never would have dreamed
• 43:41
  that that would be. And I started a new business
• 43:43
  like because of this, the moms meet up club.
• 43:46
  And so yeah, I never would have dreamed that this would become
• 43:50
  like what it has. And I'm so lucky that I get to
• 43:53
  do this by just like sharing me and like my life and my thoughts
• 43:58
  and. I'm always fascinated though,
• 44:01
  too, because I'm so nosy where I'm like and you're very honest
• 44:07
  about like how that like you make money off of your social
• 44:11
  media as well, but like how is it I'm like, but how is it like
• 44:18
  brands or how not even did they just reach out to you?
• 44:22
  Did you like? Yeah, no, I think it's like the
• 44:25
  most interesting thing. And I I was to say like how, how
• 44:29
  so? I love to like spill the beans
• 44:31
  because I feel like a lot of people like it's like hot, like
• 44:33
  a secret, like they don't like it's.
• 44:35
  Like they didn't know cuz I'm. I didn't either, yeah.
• 44:40
  And now I'm like OK, let's like make this not a secret cuz I
• 44:42
  don't feel like it has to be. So majority of my income
• 44:45
  definitely comes from brand deals.
• 44:47
  Yeah. And so that's like my management
• 44:50
  company reaching out to companies or companies reaching
• 44:52
  out to me. So like the best thing I I don't
• 44:56
  do it enough, but like I should or like the best thing other
• 44:59
  people could do tag every brand ever.
• 45:02
  Like if you are well, the only thing in front of me is like my
• 45:05
  Zoloft, but it's like. Tad.
• 45:09
  Tad Quaker, like a lot of money. Yeah.
• 45:13
  Like I have a brand deal with Ohio Health because that's where
• 45:16
  I had my son and I'm doing. I did a video where I go and
• 45:21
  meet with a dietitian and talk about like breastfeeding
• 45:23
  nutrition and postpartum nutrition.
• 45:27
  I've had brand deals with like hand sanitizer, skin care,
• 45:31
  breast pumps, baby swings like and it's just a lot of brand
• 45:37
  deals have come from companies that like I've used personally
• 45:41
  and I just tag them every time because brands love to work with
• 45:44
  people who are already a fan of them.
• 45:46
  Right? So most of my income comes from
• 45:49
  brand deals. And then it would be like views.
• 45:54
  TikTok doesn't pay crap for views.
• 45:56
  I make more like 3 times as much on Meta on Facebook.
• 46:01
  So like yesterday I posted a video.
• 46:03
  I didn't almost didn't even post it.
• 46:05
  This is what and I, I, it's like the most stereotype like post
• 46:10
  the fucking video because I almost didn't post it yesterday
• 46:13
  because I thought it was stupid. It was just a video of like when
• 46:16
  the baby finally unlatches and you're trying to like slither
• 46:19
  away. Oh my God.
• 46:20
  And the baby doesn't wake up. And so it's just me like sliding
• 46:24
  off of my bed. That video has I posted it
• 46:27
  yesterday. It has like 1.5 million views.
• 46:31
  I'll probably make like $1000 because of that video that I
• 46:36
  almost didn't even make. And it's 9 seconds of me
• 46:38
  Slytherin off my bed. And like doing a universal,
• 46:42
  having a universal experience that like every breastfeeding
• 46:44
  mom has. And I was like about to do it.
• 46:47
  And I was like, oh, let me record this like.
• 46:52
  Well, yeah, 'cause we can all relate to that or not.
• 46:56
  That situation where you're like, oh God, I got this.
• 47:00
  Yeah, I think actually you was something you posted was the
• 47:06
  reason I started like share 'cause you were like, if you
• 47:09
  just post it to Facebook, you just, like, make money.
• 47:15
  And I was like, that literally cannot be true, 'cause I was
• 47:18
  like, but like, where? Who's hey and like?
• 47:21
  We're always giving you this money.
• 47:23
  Like I've made literally like $8 but I'm like, oh wait, I mean $8
• 47:30
  is but I am like. Where does I come where and the
• 47:35
  crazy thing like that video is failing on TikTok.
• 47:38
  It only has like 14,000 views on TikTok and so that's the thing
• 47:41
  like I make one video and I post it everywhere because it can
• 47:44
  fail on one platform and go nuts on another.
• 47:49
  So it's has like 14,000 on TikTok and it has over 1,000,000
• 47:53
  on Facebook and I make one video.
• 47:57
  I share it to Instagram, which automatically shares it to
• 48:00
  Facebook and so and now I'm also starting to post on YouTube
• 48:04
  shorts so I've gotten like 10,000 followers there.
• 48:06
  I've I'm almost to like the hours watch where I'll start
• 48:10
  making money there. So I'm making one piece of
• 48:12
  content, posting it to 4 platforms, and sometimes it
• 48:17
  sucks on one and gets a million views on another.
• 48:20
  Yeah. Would you say so personally then
• 48:25
  ask you, is it, do you think it makes a difference or is it
• 48:29
  worth it? I guess the more if you have
• 48:33
  enough followers to make it worth it to do the verified, the
• 48:38
  meta verified. Does that make?
• 48:40
  Did that make a? You don't.
• 48:42
  Know that that like makes a difference.
• 48:44
  Meta offered it to me for free for a year.
• 48:48
  So I been like this month that actually like in the new year it
• 48:53
  said that it's going to be I have to pay the 1499.
• 48:57
  But I feel like getting rid of it would be weird because I've
• 48:59
  had it for so long, which is exactly probably why they give
• 49:01
  it to you for free. Because now I'm like, well, now
• 49:03
  it's like I have to keep it. Otherwise people would be like,
• 49:06
  oh, what did she do that she like lost it?
• 49:08
  She. Got kicked off.
• 49:09
  Yeah, so now I'm like, hey, I guess I'm paying $14.00 for a
• 49:12
  freaking check mark that has been free, so.
• 49:17
  But at least you're making enough that.
• 49:19
  I mean, yeah, it pays for. Itself, Yeah, my $8 is not
• 49:23
  covering it. How do is it?
• 49:28
  How is it treating it like a, like a job for you?
• 49:32
  Because it is you being you. But like you said, where you
• 49:36
  kind of make a content calendar, but how do you not burn out on
• 49:44
  like recording yourself, you know?
• 49:49
  I mean, there's definitely like I never want to be the person to
• 49:52
  complain about the best job ever, but there is like a lot of
• 49:56
  shitty parts to it. Like it actually has really
• 50:00
  affected friendships because my friends see so much of my life
• 50:06
  that like, they don't feel the need to talk to me anymore
• 50:09
  because like, they know it all already.
• 50:13
  And so like, I I, because I've had these conversations with my
• 50:18
  friends of like, I feel like we like don't talk and like, it was
• 50:22
  just like, yeah, you're right. But like I kind of already know.
• 50:26
  Like I know that Lannon's teething.
• 50:28
  I know that he's not sleeping good.
• 50:29
  Like I don't need to ask you because I already know you.
• 50:33
  Like, then unfollow me. Yeah, like, literally.
• 50:37
  And so I think like, that's been an interesting thing.
• 50:41
  And then I also never talk about it when I like last night I went
• 50:45
  to dinner with like 5 of my friends and I don't talk about
• 50:47
  it. And like, they're talking about
• 50:48
  their jobs, but it feels like if I talk about mine, it's almost
• 50:51
  like I would be annoying or like, sound braggy.
• 50:55
  So I just stay very quiet, which isn't my personality to be quiet
• 50:59
  at all. But when it when we're like
• 51:01
  talking about work, like I just say nothing because I'm like,
• 51:05
  what am I going to say? Like, oh, I got this brand deal
• 51:07
  that I have to film and I made more money than you're making in
• 51:10
  a month, going to work 40 hours and I'm going to go like prop up
• 51:14
  my phone and film something like it just sounds out of touch and
• 51:18
  like I'm aware enough to know that.
• 51:20
  And so like, I just don't talk about it.
• 51:23
  Well, also being in wait, I didn't.
• 51:28
  What brought you to Columbus? My ex-husband and I moved here.
• 51:32
  Well, he wasn't my ex. Obviously it's time, but we
• 51:34
  moved here to buy 3 Blaze pizzas.
• 51:38
  So I was in like restaurant operations with him.
• 51:41
  So we had Jimmy John's back home and then we had three Blaze
• 51:46
  pizzas here. So that's what I was doing.
• 51:49
  Gotcha. Up until our divorce.
• 51:51
  And then I had like, we got divorced and then I wasn't doing
• 51:54
  much with the restaurants anymore.
• 51:55
  So when I got like a regular marketing job.
• 51:58
  Gotcha. OK, that makes sense.
• 52:01
  But yeah, so being in Columbia, so then in Ohio, I feel like,
• 52:08
  you know, obviously different from LA, where literally
• 52:11
  everyone's filming. Them.
• 52:12
  Oh yeah. Fine, so that must be yeah,
• 52:18
  interesting with friends who because like I just went home a
• 52:22
  couple weeks ago and was like, I'm visiting coffee 10 AM
• 52:28
  Thursday, anybody and they're like, we have jobs and I'm like
• 52:33
  seems fine for everyone in LA so.
• 52:36
  Yeah. But like, yeah, that is.
• 52:38
  No, it'd be easier to have friends if I was somewhere where
• 52:41
  people were like last night. I wanted to make this video of
• 52:44
  like me drinking. And I mean, I did make it, but
• 52:50
  like, I felt awkward asking my friend to record me.
• 52:52
  And I just said like waiting for someone else to bring up heated
• 52:54
  rivalry so that I can talk about it all night.
• 52:57
  And like, I have these ideas for video sometimes that I don't
• 52:59
  even make because I don't want to ask my friend to like, oh,
• 53:04
  can you film me? But if I was in LA and like had
• 53:08
  friends who were doing this like it wouldn't matter at all but
• 53:11
  I'm asking. Like my friend, he's like, Oh
• 53:13
  my, oh, I'll film you. Yeah, she's like a nurse or a
• 53:16
  teacher. And I'm like, hey, can you?
• 53:17
  And then like get this angle? Like it just, it makes me feel
• 53:20
  uncomfortable. Like they're gonna be like, Oh
• 53:22
  my God. And so yeah.
• 53:25
  And they probably wouldn't, maybe wouldn't, but yeah.
• 53:28
  So I like really don't talk about it with my friends at all.
• 53:32
  And you're like, I don't have Co workers.
• 53:34
  So it's like a very isolating job, which is interesting
• 53:36
  because it's social, but it's like you're very alone in it.
• 53:41
  Yeah, but I think I mean does is that one of the reasons you
• 53:46
  started the your? Oh wait, yeah, Mom's meet up.
• 53:52
  Club, Mom's meet up club. I was like, I don't want to mess
• 53:54
  it up. Mom's meet up club.
• 53:56
  Yeah. So when you posted about it and
• 53:58
  I was like, I want to come. I'm so excited.
• 54:02
  Our events are going to be so fun.
• 54:03
  We're doing like a party bus car crash out.
• 54:06
  It sounds amazing, yeah. When did you come up with this
• 54:13
  idea and how did this all start? I was getting my nails done and
• 54:17
  I was like, literally, I think I made a video the day I was going
• 54:20
  to my nails and I was like, come with me to spark some fucking
• 54:23
  joy. Like I was just like, I was down
• 54:25
  in the dumps, like I was unwell. And so I'm just getting my nails
• 54:28
  done. Just like complaining to my nail
• 54:31
  girls. I love her as we do, you know, I
• 54:35
  know our whole lives. And I was talking about how I, I
• 54:39
  just like, it is isolating and I wish I could like take the
• 54:42
  community of people I have and bring them into the real world.
• 54:45
  And then I was like, maybe I just do that.
• 54:49
  Like maybe I just and it's like all started coming to me.
• 54:52
  I call my friend Mara when I leave, I'm telling her and I was
• 54:56
  like, I want you to do it with me.
• 54:59
  And that within 60 days, we were hosting our first event.
• 55:03
  Our website was done like and I worked from morning to night
• 55:09
  like it was. It's been so much.
• 55:12
  But when I like decide I want to do something like I don't want
• 55:16
  to do it later, I want to do it right now.
• 55:18
  So yeah, I gave myself 60 days and.
• 55:23
  Wow. Got it up and running, yeah.
• 55:25
  Yeah, yeah, it looks amazing. So I wish I could be there.
• 55:30
  Yeah, it's like we have like our ticketed events, but then once
• 55:33
  you're logged in, like for the members, we have a calendar that
• 55:36
  has meetups every single day. So you can like if you are a
• 55:41
  stay at home mom and you don't know what to do with your kids,
• 55:44
  you can look and know that there's going to be other moms
• 55:46
  that are going to be at this park at this time.
• 55:49
  Oh my God that's so amazing. Hey, we need one of those in L.
• 55:53
  AI know I want to do it everywhere.
• 55:55
  Like my goal is to like take it all over.
• 55:58
  And I think that that's like the piece like because I, I once I
• 56:01
  started it, I found like there's one in Atlanta, but the piece
• 56:05
  that's missing is, is that like that's the thing I haven't seen
• 56:08
  anybody else doing is a meet up calendar that's daily.
• 56:12
  There's something every day. There's a happy hour and maybe.
• 56:16
  And so we call them Marco Polo meetups.
• 56:19
  So you would just get there and you would just yell Marco.
• 56:21
  And then the people who yell Polo, you know, they're also
• 56:23
  part of the Moms Meet Up club. I love that.
• 56:25
  Yeah, 'cause that's one of the things we're like, I'm coming in
• 56:28
  and I don't know anybody. Are you?
• 56:31
  Is it? Yeah, yeah.
• 56:32
  Marco love it. Yeah.
• 56:34
  Genius. Well, if you bring it out to LA.
• 56:39
  Yeah. I'll blast it all over.
• 56:45
  OK, Well, Oh my gosh, we could just talk forever, but I'm
• 56:50
  gonna, I'm gonna go to my little rapid fire.
• 56:54
  OK, coffee or matcha? Oh my gosh, Matcha.
• 57:02
  Well, now that I've asked that, OK, so tell me for real because
• 57:05
  I want to buy that like Java protein that everyone's.
• 57:10
  Talking about how many people have been like I saw the ad,
• 57:12
  like is it actually good? I'm like, I will cut this out.
• 57:18
  OK, the the classic coffee flavor.
• 57:22
  I hate it. Brandon liked it, but like the
• 57:25
  classic coffee, terrible. The one that I'm drinking in the
• 57:29
  one video, the like cookie. That one's really good.
• 57:32
  OK, that was in my cart. Like the cookie brownie
• 57:35
  something. Like that.
• 57:36
  Yeah, but not like, don't get like, just the classic coffee
• 57:39
  that was nasty. But I mean, Brandon liked it.
• 57:43
  But that's because I don't love coffee.
• 57:45
  And it tastes like, strong, like coffee.
• 57:47
  He likes coffee. So he liked that one, the cookie
• 57:51
  like the flavored ones, those ones are really good, OK.
• 57:53
  Great. I'll give it a shot.
• 57:55
  Yeah. Full glam or no makeup?
• 57:59
  No makeup. Yeah.
• 58:00
  We love also, though. See, now I'm going on tangents
• 58:04
  for every question. Your skin is so good.
• 58:09
  Thank you. What?
• 58:10
  What? What is it?
• 58:12
  I know that there was like the Korean skin care that you shared
• 58:17
  also seems with you see then isn't this creepy a little bit I
• 58:22
  feel a little bit creepy that I know.
• 58:24
  Somebody no. And that's like, I always like,
• 58:27
  someone will come up to me and they'll introduce themselves and
• 58:30
  I go to I go to like introduce myself back and my friends, like
• 58:33
  they just came up to you. Like they fucking know your
• 58:35
  name. And I'm like, but what am I
• 58:36
  gonna say? Like you know me already.
• 58:37
  Like what am I gonna do? But they're like.
• 58:41
  How does she, who is that mom? How does she know your name?
• 58:43
  And I'm like, oh, she's one of the friends on the phone.
• 58:46
  And he's like, oh, OK. Oh, that's sweet.
• 58:49
  He loves making videos. He would be in every video if I
• 58:52
  let him. Like there's times where I'm
• 58:53
  like, this one's just mommy like, like he loves it, he loves
• 58:57
  it. Oh my God, but OK.
• 58:59
  But yes, actually, what is your skin syrup?
• 59:03
  You just. Blood Korean skin care like
• 59:06
  truly, it's like the the medicube 0 por pads and then
• 59:12
  like the niacinamide, the PDRN from a Nua like medicube and a
• 59:15
  Nua like if you only had that. And it's so much cheaper than
• 59:20
  like the ridiculous brands at like Ulta and stuff.
• 59:23
  And it's I really think it's better.
• 59:25
  It's that's my secret love. It yes, because I use the same
• 59:31
  like the oil cleanser thing that you.
• 59:33
  Oh yeah. Oh.
• 59:35
  My God. Yeah, I love that.
• 59:39
  OK night in or night out or night in your car.
• 59:44
  OK, the answer is purely dependent on does Landon exist
• 59:50
  and not sleep at night? Because like currently the
• 59:52
  answer if sleep. Training goes well.
• 59:56
  Night out. OK, there we go.
• 59:59
  Sweet or salty? Salty.
• 1:00:03
  And if if you're kids, well, one of them does not talk but could
• 1:00:09
  use one word to describe you. What do you think it would be,
• 1:00:13
  Landon? Would just say like titties or
• 1:00:16
  something, 'cause that's all he cares about and we just be like
• 1:00:19
  nibble, I think Austin would probably say.
• 1:00:32
  I think he'd say fun, like we have a lot of fun together.
• 1:00:36
  We have so much fun together. Like we'll dance in the middle
• 1:00:38
  of target. That's what we did yesterday.
• 1:00:40
  Like I, yeah, he like hold hands.
• 1:00:44
  We were doing the worm or I don't know what even know what
• 1:00:46
  that's called the wave. And then we have like a secret
• 1:00:48
  dance we do and we did it like 4 times in Target.
• 1:00:52
  I just, I was just telling my sister he's at an age where it
• 1:00:56
  is so fun. Like I don't feel like I'm
• 1:00:58
  parenting. We went there, he got his, he
• 1:01:01
  like ran up to the Starbucks thing.
• 1:01:03
  I got my drink, he got his cake pop.
• 1:01:05
  We're trying on shoes, looking at clothes.
• 1:01:07
  It felt like I was hanging out with like a friend.
• 1:01:09
  It's not even He's so fun right now.
• 1:01:13
  I'm obsessed a good. Age when they're talking and
• 1:01:18
  being. Yeah.
• 1:01:19
  He's just a person now and he's so good and well mannered.
• 1:01:23
  I don't have to. I don't have to.
• 1:01:26
  He's just he's so I'm very lucky with him.
• 1:01:29
  Even at Chick-fil-A yesterday, this old woman comes up to and
• 1:01:31
  she's like, I just have to say, like, you must be so proud of
• 1:01:33
  him. I could hear how good his
• 1:01:34
  manners were. And he's being so cute to his
• 1:01:36
  little brother. She's like, he's incredible.
• 1:01:39
  And I was like, no, he really is.
• 1:01:41
  Yeah, I got very lucky. Yeah, that's so sweet.
• 1:01:45
  I was talking to my dad recently about how I was like, you know,
• 1:01:49
  cuz kids are just. They can be annoying.
• 1:01:52
  Yeah, but it's like, and that was, you know, we we'd take
• 1:01:57
  things from our parents that were like, want to do this,
• 1:02:00
  don't want to do that when I'm like, I have a heart.
• 1:02:04
  It's hard to be patient when they're annoying.
• 1:02:06
  And I was like growing up, I was like my dad.
• 1:02:08
  I was like both of my parents. I never felt like I was annoying
• 1:02:11
  to them. But then I was like, but also we
• 1:02:14
  were just, you got locked out because we were just good kids
• 1:02:18
  as. Yeah, I was.
• 1:02:19
  Like it's it's makes it so much more fun when they're, you know,
• 1:02:26
  no kid is perfect, but. Yeah.
• 1:02:29
  They're fun too. And yeah, it's great not to the
• 1:02:33
  age yet where they're like mom. Yeah, no, like he still wants to
• 1:02:37
  mooch me. He still wants to cuddle.
• 1:02:39
  Like I'm still the coolest person ever.
• 1:02:41
  Yeah. Like he's Austin has never once
• 1:02:44
  had a tantrum. Like, I don't even know.
• 1:02:45
  I don't even know what I would do.
• 1:02:47
  He's never like, he's like jumped a foot once, but like
• 1:02:53
  I've seen kids like screaming and he's never done that.
• 1:02:57
  He's never done that. It's crazy.
• 1:03:00
  Like when I say I have the easiest kid, like he is
• 1:03:03
  literally the easiest. That's wild because I would even
• 1:03:09
  say my daughter's pretty good. But she will tell you when she's
• 1:03:15
  mad about something. I mean, he'll say I'm so mad at
• 1:03:18
  you, but he's never like throwing his body on the ground
• 1:03:21
  crying like he's never done that.
• 1:03:23
  I like, think I would freeze and be like, what do I do?
• 1:03:26
  Like, Oh my God. But literally what do we do?
• 1:03:29
  Because you're like when? I just walk away and be like OK
• 1:03:34
  but draw much. Yeah, that's really all you can
• 1:03:37
  do because you know, it's for attention.
• 1:03:40
  And then you give it a yeah. OK.
• 1:03:43
  What is something that you wish somebody would have told you
• 1:03:45
  before you came? A mom.
• 1:03:51
  Not to obsess over like I get what's your sleep routine?
• 1:03:59
  What's your feed routine? What?
• 1:04:01
  Just go with the flow. I was so like, oh, he has three
• 1:04:07
  minutes. He has to be eating with Austin.
• 1:04:10
  And that stressed me the fuck out so bad.
• 1:04:12
  I wish someone had told me. What I now tell people is like,
• 1:04:15
  just follow your motherly intuition.
• 1:04:19
  You can, you know when your baby's hungry.
• 1:04:20
  Like you don't need to like 03 minutes ago he was supposed to
• 1:04:24
  eat. I don't know.
• 1:04:25
  I just wish someone had told me, like, and honestly, my mom
• 1:04:28
  probably did tell me and I just didn't listen.
• 1:04:31
  Like, like just follow your intuition because that's more
• 1:04:36
  than like any sleep program or like any of that stuff's going
• 1:04:40
  to teach you. Like, you know, you can feel
• 1:04:42
  what your kids need. Like trust that feeling.
• 1:04:46
  You don't skip the books. You don't need to.
• 1:04:49
  Yeah, because. It's also all just going to go
• 1:04:52
  out the window anyway, depending.
• 1:04:53
  On yeah, it's just going to stress you out.
• 1:04:55
  Like it gave me so much more anxiety thinking I was doing
• 1:04:58
  like something wrong or like, I need to follow this, this thing
• 1:05:02
  once I just like got rid of all that and I was like, I'm just
• 1:05:05
  gonna go with what feels right. Like motherhood was so much
• 1:05:09
  better for me. Yeah, I feel, I always say I
• 1:05:12
  wish you could have like the second kid 1st and I don't think
• 1:05:14
  I'm gonna have a second kid. So I'm like, I wish I could have
• 1:05:18
  had the second kid first where you're yeah, I was like, I used
• 1:05:22
  the app tracker thing. Same.
• 1:05:24
  And I'm like, I know, baby. Like I've done this a million,
• 1:05:28
  Yeah. I mean, I'm the oldest sibling.
• 1:05:30
  We had foster babies. Like I why did I think I needed
• 1:05:33
  Huckleberry to track every freaking wet diaper?
• 1:05:37
  Like what was I doing? I will.
• 1:05:38
  You would never catch me dead doing that again.
• 1:05:41
  Huckleberry made some money off of me.
• 1:05:44
  Let's. Yeah, it.
• 1:05:46
  Did, I mean honestly, it did help with like sleeping stuff
• 1:05:50
  just cuz I'm like I can't remember anything anyway.
• 1:05:53
  So yeah, it did help at the beginning, but you know, yeah.
• 1:05:57
  I mean, here I am with a kid who won't get off my nipple and I'm
• 1:06:00
  like going to try sleep training.
• 1:06:01
  So maybe I'm like preaching to the choir here, but.
• 1:06:07
  That's OK. OK, so I have to let you go.
• 1:06:12
  But what is where can we, where can people connect with you?
• 1:06:18
  Obviously this is the silliest question because of course we
• 1:06:21
  know where to connect with you. But give us your your socials,
• 1:06:27
  where to follow you, how to join your mom's club, all of that.
• 1:06:35
  So luckily I'm the same across the board.
• 1:06:37
  It's just at Katie Santry on all the things TikTok, Instagram,
• 1:06:42
  Facebook, and then momsmeetupclub.com is for so far
• 1:06:49
  just Columbus. But we have it built so where we
• 1:06:52
  can have moms meet up Club Pittsburgh, Moms meet up Club
• 1:06:54
  Nashville, like a bunch of different chapters as we get it
• 1:06:59
  going and figure all this stuff out.
• 1:07:03
  Well, I will also share all of your things in the show notes
• 1:07:09
  and on social as well. And what is just one thing that
• 1:07:16
  you would like to tell another mom?
• 1:07:18
  That's that's listening And yeah.
• 1:07:24
  Any advice? Any.
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  Yeah. I mean, motherhood doesn't have
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  to be a solo sport. I think like find community,
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  even if your parents don't live where you live, like do what you
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  can to like join clubs like this, like they hopefully exist
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  where anybody might live. And then just like the best
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  thing you can do for your mental health, I think, and just don't
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  feel bad leaving your kid with a babysitter to go out to dinner.
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  Like maintain your identity, like your personal identity.
• 1:08:00
  That is like if there's anything that people I want to get like
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  when they watch my content, it's like, ha, she's such a funny
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  mom, but like, she's still just Kate.
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  Like she's Katie. And that's like the biggest
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  thing for me. Well, thank you for being.
• 1:08:15
  Thanks. There's no just.
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  It's Katie. No, just thank you so much for
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  listening to this episode of Mommy Wood.
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  Now, before you go, if Mommy Wood feels like a place you
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  belong, I want to invite you to join the Village, which is our
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  You have bonus episodes, expert guests, deeper conversations and
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  content, and series I don't share anywhere else.
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  seen, supported, or less alone, I'd love for you to join The
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  Village on Patreon. The link to the Patreon is in
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  the show notes. I want to give a huge thank you
• 1:09:04
  to my producer and good friend Cecilia for making Mommy Wood
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  what it is and to Edith Mudge for the Mommy Wood theme music.
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  As always, thank you for being a part of Mommy Wood.
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  Please come be a part of the village as well.
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  I hope to see you there. I need you to wait with what?