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Patriots Catch-22 5/21: OTA Recap, Roster Building, NFL Spring Meeting Recap · Patriots Catch-22

• 0:11
  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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  Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth.
• 0:25
  Speaker 2: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barth. I just love
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  Speaker 2: how ten minutes of anything that's not Patriots because sets
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  Speaker 2: all of you on.
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  Speaker 1: We made it a little We tried to make it Patriots.
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: What's your new hobby?
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  Speaker 3: In a beach?
• 0:37
  Speaker 2: I'll let you know. I'm still haven't decided or any
• 0:41
  Speaker 2: of my pitches being considered. You keep trying to pitch
• 0:43
  Speaker 2: golf to me, and I'm not going to golf, and
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: you should golf. It's a golf is not gonna great
• 0:47
  Speaker 2: escapism hobby when I golf. The part that I think
• 0:51
  Speaker 2: I can't do like leisurely, like past time. Like if
• 0:54
  Speaker 2: I'm playing a sport, I'm competing. It's not golf. And
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: now nobody has to worry about me talking about the
• 1:03
  Speaker 2: Celtics anymore because the season is But I'll tell you this.
• 1:06
  Speaker 2: You're all congratulations. I will no longer talk basketball and
• 1:09
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you this.
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  Speaker 1: YouTube replies public tweets dms to me Yeah, there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot a lot of people are excited about you possibly
• 1:16
  Speaker 1: playing Madden.
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  Speaker 2: It's true. I had no idea a lot.
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  Speaker 4: Of people want to see you play Madden, Evan.
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  Speaker 2: I had no idea that that was going to happen. Truthfully, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: last week's show, and we we do check the comments
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  Speaker 2: last week's show pretty much ninety five percent of the
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  Speaker 2: comments where we need Alex and Evan on Twitch playing
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  Speaker 2: Madden with one another.
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  Speaker 1: And to the people who it wouldn't replace this show,
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  Speaker 1: it would be its own separate No.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, we're not playing Madden on here. No, we
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  Speaker 2: have that.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, I know ye do a great job of it.
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  Speaker 1: But I think you might have to, uh, you might
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  Speaker 1: have to really look into this. You got to give
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  Speaker 1: the people what they want.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe, but this business is maybe I haven't played and
• 1:57
  Speaker 2: then I swear we're going to get into it. But
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  Speaker 2: I haven't played a video game and I can't even
• 2:03
  Speaker 2: remember how long.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm saying get it now, and like, get used
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  Speaker 1: to it so when the new one drops, you can
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  Speaker 1: hit the ground running.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I retire from playing video games probably at least
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  Speaker 2: five years ago. Kind of coincided with something else that
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  Speaker 2: happened in my life five years ago. If you catch
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  Speaker 2: my drifts. So, yeah, I haven't played video games in
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  Speaker 2: a long Get you back into it. Yeah, all right, anyways,
• 2:25
  Speaker 2: hello everybody, how are we doing? Evan Lazar, Alex Bart
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  Speaker 2: with you for the next couple hours. Here talking Patriots football.
• 2:33
  Speaker 2: No basketball today, no Madden. We're talking actual football. Because
• 2:38
  Speaker 2: we were out at OTA's yesterday and we got our
• 2:41
  Speaker 2: first look at the full squad. Mostly, I thought that
• 2:44
  Speaker 2: was a nice takeaway to start as the attendance was
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  Speaker 2: fantastic for a voluntary Capital V voluntary workout. I accounted
• 2:56
  Speaker 2: for eighty six of the ninety guys, right, something like that,
• 3:00
  Speaker 2: eighty seven of the ninety one if you whatever is
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: going on with the International Pathway stuff, But yeah, they
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  Speaker 2: had very good attendance, and I just thought in general
• 3:11
  Speaker 2: that there was a nice intensity and nice pace to practice.
• 3:15
  Speaker 2: We saw that at Rookie Mini caamp too. I thought
• 3:18
  Speaker 2: it stood out. But even towards the end with Belichick,
• 3:22
  Speaker 2: there were times where practice would kind of the beginning
• 3:25
  Speaker 2: of practice, it felt like it was slow to get started,
• 3:28
  Speaker 2: Like they would do stretch and then they would do
• 3:30
  Speaker 2: individuals and they do a walk through period and there's
• 3:33
  Speaker 2: just a lot of warm up to the actual team drills.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't feel like that yesterday to me watching it,
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  Speaker 2: and felt like there was a real pace to it.
• 3:42
  Speaker 2: Almost felt like they had to to pull people back
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  Speaker 2: a little bit from being like almost too much contact. Yeah,
• 3:50
  Speaker 2: and everybody's just excited to be back out there, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 2: But it was a good intensity too, And I think
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  Speaker 2: that starts with Mike Rabel. I think he sets that tone.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he's the one that's pushing everybody. He's you
• 4:01
  Speaker 2: hear them, you see him pushing guys and making sure
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  Speaker 2: that the effort is there at all times. So that
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  Speaker 2: it was a big takeaway from me from yesterday was
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  Speaker 2: just the overall intensity of the practice and uh that
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  Speaker 2: this time of year, you know, he said, Abel said
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  Speaker 2: it before the practice, we're talking about mentally getting through reps,
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  Speaker 2: you know, procedural stuff, getting in out of the huddle
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  Speaker 2: and no procedural errors and get him plays off on time,
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  Speaker 2: and like that's a big part of it. You know,
• 4:31
  Speaker 2: being in the right places is a big part of
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  Speaker 2: it from an assignment standpoint as well, and then also
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  Speaker 2: competition and effort and before we get into all the
• 4:41
  Speaker 2: individual observations of how you know, guys looked and all
• 4:44
  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. I just thought it was I
• 4:46
  Speaker 2: think it's good. I think it's a good thing that
• 4:48
  Speaker 2: there's an intensity again, and there's a competitiveness again, and
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  Speaker 2: there's a element of iron sharpening iron at different positions
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  Speaker 2: where you don't feel like it's you know, the last
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  Speaker 2: couple of years, maybe the there is clear holes on
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  Speaker 2: the roster that it couldn't really push you know, each
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  Speaker 2: other and stuff like that. Now it does feel a
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  Speaker 2: little bit different, and in a good way. Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 2: it does.
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  Speaker 1: It feels The up tempo thing was the biggest thing
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  Speaker 1: to me because in the past, you know, during the
• 5:16
  Speaker 1: early portion of practice especially, there's a part of our
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  Speaker 1: job that's gathering, you know, beyond observing, like gathering content
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  Speaker 1: for social media stuff. So you know, you take the
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  Speaker 1: video of the rep and you you know, all right,
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  Speaker 1: I get the good blah blah blah, and then by
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  Speaker 1: the time you look back up, the next guy's going.
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  Speaker 1: It was like the pace just felt quicker. I felt
• 5:36
  Speaker 1: slowed down, and then I felt sped up. And then
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  Speaker 1: in the individual reps too, it was right back to
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  Speaker 1: the huddle, go and go and go. They fit a
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  Speaker 1: ton of plays, a ton of reps into that. I
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  Speaker 1: think they were like just under an hour or just
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  Speaker 1: over an hour and a half, yeah, probably an hour
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  Speaker 1: forty five. They fit a ton of plays into that window.
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  Speaker 1: And it was all I think it was all team
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  Speaker 1: after no, they had won one period, one individual and.
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: Like a jog through towards the end. That wasn't fully
• 6:05
  Speaker 2: but it was.
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  Speaker 4: It was heavy, heavy, heavy team.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it was. It was good to see. I
• 6:12
  Speaker 2: it's one day. We have to see this continue and
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  Speaker 2: see its stack and all that stuff, as we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: say about everything that we're going to talk about today,
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  Speaker 2: but it was good to see. I haven't seen that
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  Speaker 2: level of intensity and pace to a Patriots practice in
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  Speaker 2: a couple of years, and so I thought that was
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  Speaker 2: good to see, just right off the jump. And then
• 6:33
  Speaker 2: the other thing that we have to talk about, and
• 6:36
  Speaker 2: you know, with all of the tabling it as many
• 6:40
  Speaker 2: times as I can, it's it was May twentieth. It
• 6:43
  Speaker 2: was the second Ota practice. It's a new offense. He
• 6:47
  Speaker 2: doesn't have everybody out there with him just yet. Like
• 6:50
  Speaker 2: all of the tabling we can possibly put out there,
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  Speaker 2: the numbers and the you know the facts about Drake
• 6:58
  Speaker 2: May throwing four interceptions in practice yesterday. I would say
• 7:03
  Speaker 2: the biggest thing to me is like, I'm not surprised
• 7:06
  Speaker 2: that this is where they're at on week one of
• 7:08
  Speaker 2: OTA's for all of the obvious reasons that you stayed
• 7:12
  Speaker 2: about any offense. You know, it's all about timing and
• 7:15
  Speaker 2: route detail and knowing you know where reads are going
• 7:19
  Speaker 2: to take you, and understanding protections and things like. All
• 7:23
  Speaker 2: these minutia. All this nuance to playing offense is why
• 7:27
  Speaker 2: the defense is typically ahead of the offense this time
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  Speaker 2: of year. It's just it's a more detailed thing. I
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  Speaker 2: would say the biggest one being the timing and just
• 7:34
  Speaker 2: the overall rhythm of the offense. You have to sort
• 7:37
  Speaker 2: of rep it in order to get that going that
• 7:41
  Speaker 2: time and going. And I also just wouldn't I'm not
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  Speaker 2: overly surprised that with a Josh McDaniels offense that they
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  Speaker 2: are where they are, like based off of yesterday at least,
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  Speaker 2: and that it's going to be a little bit clunky
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  Speaker 2: at times and there's going to be a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of a learning curve at times doesn't surprise me in
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  Speaker 2: the least. So it's a long way saying my concern
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  Speaker 2: level for it is like zero. You know, I'm not
• 8:03
  Speaker 2: worried at all. It's not ideal, it's not what you
• 8:06
  Speaker 2: want to talk about. I wish that we could come
• 8:08
  Speaker 2: on here and talk about that. He'd lit it up,
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  Speaker 2: like that's what we would all like to see. But
• 8:12
  Speaker 2: I'm not surprised. It looked a little bit to me
• 8:15
  Speaker 2: like how it looked for him early on in training
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  Speaker 2: camp last year when he was adjusting to Alex van
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  Speaker 2: Peltz offense. So we know that there's a you know what,
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  Speaker 2: Drake may there there there could be an adjustment to
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  Speaker 2: this offense. Now, the only thing that I would hope
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  Speaker 2: for is that it a sends quite a little bit quicker.
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  Speaker 2: You know, hopefully we get to training camp in July
• 8:35
  Speaker 2: and he's already we're already past this right last year
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  Speaker 2: it took a couple of weeks into training camp for
• 8:40
  Speaker 2: him to get past it, and hopefully we're already past
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: this by the time we get to July and to
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  Speaker 2: the real stuff in August. So my concern level again
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  Speaker 2: is zero, But it is notable that this is where
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: we're at and it's not a continuation from last year.
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  Speaker 2: We're kind of starting over in some respects and that's
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  Speaker 2: why it's not surprising. But that's just the truth that
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  Speaker 2: seems to be where we're at right now.
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look, it's not nothing. It's something that you keep
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  Speaker 1: in mind and moving forward. Okay, he had a first word,
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  Speaker 1: he had a bad first day. Can he get better?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's the be all end all. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think this is indicative of what he's going to be.
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  Speaker 1: But clearly there's room to grow and it's not going
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  Speaker 1: to be it maybe isn't the smoothest transition, which we
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  Speaker 1: kind of knew going in. So also, like, let's not
• 9:24
  Speaker 1: take credit away Christian Zaaz was awesome.
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  Speaker 2: You said, yeah, I'll get to that.
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  Speaker 1: Two of those picks were just bad, like period, they
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: were bad. They were on Drake May, they were bad.
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  Speaker 1: The one Gonzales got on the deep ball to Kaylea
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  Speaker 1: Williams just an unbelievable way. So you know, tip your
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: cap to him too. And it's the kind of thing
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: where we were joking like, and there were a few
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: other plays where he was just we were joking that
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: if the offense on the shot to run, what they're
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: trying to run. They were gonna have to take Christian
• 9:50
  Speaker 1: Zalz off the field because he was just too good.
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  Speaker 1: So you know there's some of that, but no, it's
• 9:56
  Speaker 1: lowercase he concerning you obviously don't want to see Drake
• 9:58
  Speaker 1: may of a day like that. But now looking forward, Okay,
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: does he bounce back? Is this a funny story we're
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: laughing about in January when they make the playoffs or
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: did this turn out to be the start of something
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: that was maybe a big issue. There's time to turn
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: it around, right even if this, if he was doing
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: this in practice in August, you're a lot more worried.
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: But for right now, and it's not a linear we
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: didn't see day one. Who knows, maybe lit it up yesterday. Yeah, right,
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: it's not a linear process. So it's it's still a
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: wait and see kind of thing. As in it, we're
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: gonna talk about players that were good outside of Gonzalez,
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: who I think is just a stud. A lot of
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: players we're gonna talk about being good. We're gonna kind
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: of put the paws on and say it was just
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: one day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a good it's a good look
• 10:40
  Speaker 2: in to get kind of like a feel for what
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: it looked like early in the next week. We'll be
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: out there again, I believe next Wednesday, and then we
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: have another one, you know, open Ota the following week,
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: and then you have mini camp in the first or
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: second week of June there. So, yes, you hope that
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: every time we kind of check in with this, right,
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: it gets progressively better and better and better. But you
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: know where I come from, you said, small sea concern,
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: like this is a complex offense. It is like we've
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: we've heard all about it all over the years from
• 11:13
  Speaker 2: you know, anybody that played in this offense in the past,
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: that this is a complex offense. So to come in
• 11:19
  Speaker 2: in May and already have it be a fine, well
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: oiled machine was probably pretty unrealistic. Like it's just is
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: not that kind of system that's going to take hold
• 11:29
  Speaker 2: as quickly as it can. You know, I talked before
• 11:31
  Speaker 2: and I'll say it again. I think my only small
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: stea concern about this entire thing is how much they're
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: putting on Drake May's plate. And this isn't about yesterday.
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: This is just a general thought about this entire uh setup,
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: Like it's nothing to do with what happened in the
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: practice yesterday. If he had lit it up yesterday, I'd
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: still probably be a little bit concerned about it. Uh,
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: it's cumbersome for the quarterback. There's all of the pre
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: snap responsibility is on the quarterback. He is the director,
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: like he is the the chess master of the offense.
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: And we've heard, you know, Josh McDaniels talked about this
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: on podcasts and stuff during his year off, about slowly
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: adding things to the quarterback's plate and making sure that
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: you're not dumping it all in his lap at once.
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: And hopefully that's what we're seeing and that's what they'll
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: end up doing. But when Drake mad to me, is
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: at his best is when he's just playing. Like I
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: think he's a gun slinger, he's a playmaker. He's not
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: necessarily at his best when he's thinking too much. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And I think yesterday what I saw a little bit
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: of was you know, tentativeness for sure, but also just
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: kind of like guiding the ball and like trying to
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: think through every single play and like all that kind
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: of stuff. Like when he's at his best, he's just
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: slinging it, like he's just letting it rip. And we
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: saw that at the second half of training camp last year,
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: and then we saw it in flashes once he got
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: in there in the regular season. You need to see
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: that all the time, Like that's so trying to see
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: all the time.
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: So that's one of the other things for me. And
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: this is probably a lass half full glass, half empty thing, right.
• 13:11
  Speaker 1: It's not like the four picks in the We maybe
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: didn't talk about this as much yesterday collectively as we
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: should have. It's not like the four picks are scattered
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: throughout a practice. I think it was four picks in
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: the first six throws something like that, Like they were
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: all right away and they were all together. So he
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: did he like he actually finished pretty well. Yeah, he
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: had a couple of nice deep balls. He had that
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: throw on the back shoulder to Javon Baker that was
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: probably the play of the day for the offense.
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  Speaker 4: Had another deep out to Kyle Williams. He didn't let it.
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  Speaker 1: Snowball on him, which was something we saw at times
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  Speaker 1: last year where he would be having a good practice,
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: he'd make the first mistake and then it would kind
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: of sit there and you could tell his approach maybe
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: wasn't the same. So some people might look at that
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: and be like, why didn't he snap out of it sooner?
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  Speaker 4: Four picks and six plays, right, And that's a fair question.
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: Some people can look at it and say, well, that
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: was all in one period, you know, all right, period
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: ends short, memory reset, and he was fine the rest
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: of the day.
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: He didn't really have any problems the rest of the day. Yeah,
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: and they threw quite a bit after that. Yeah, it's
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: a passing camp, so they threw most of the day.
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: And you know, the back shoulder throw is probably the
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: best play to Jay von Baker. I thought the throw
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: that you said described to Williams on the out was
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: his best throw of the day. Five yards deep, just
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: a little cover two whole whole shot, you know, pump
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: the safety, throw it into the cover two hole like that.
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: That to me is when he's at his best, is
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: when when he's feeling it. Is when he's pumping guys
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: off or looking guys off, and you know, putting the
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: ball into tight spaces and you know, using that arm
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: talent and using that athleticism and kind of playing free
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: and playing loose. You know that that's when Drake May
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: is Drake May at his best. I thought we saw
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: that as the practice progressed a little bit more. Yet
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: another deep ball to Kishan Boudi that I was catchable,
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: that I thought was a good read and a good
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: throw that just Booty couldn't you know, finish through contact
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: and the ball fell incomplete. So overall, I'm I'm optimistic
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: that this is gonna be fine. Like I feel very
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: confident in McDaniels and Mike Rabel and to figure this
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: whole thing out. But we have a show to do today,
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: as we always like to say, and the show that
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: we have to do is based off of the practice
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: we saw yesterday, and cause I always feel like there's
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: a there's two sides to everything when it comes to
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: this kind of stuff. You know. One side is like
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: we can't just ignore it, which I think is fair,
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: and then the other side is it's day two of
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: OTAs and you guys are freaking out over like a practice, right,
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: Like what are we talking about? You know, it's practice.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: It's not a game, to quote Alan Iverson, right, it's
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: somewhere in the middle, of course, like, there's no reason
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: to panic, there's no reason to freak out. But it's
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: also our job to tell you what happened at practice,
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: and this is what happened at practice, right, So it's
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: always a tough a tough split there. So besides Drake May,
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: there was a lot of positives, as you said, and
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: I wanted to start with the free agent signings because
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: we saw some of the rookies in rookie mini camp.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: You know, we got a first look at some of
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: those guys. This is our first time seeing Milton Williams,
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Carlton Davis, Bobby Spillane, no digs right obviously with the
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: coming back from the ACL, but my first impressions of
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: all that group. Again, this is a passing camp. We're
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: talking mostly about quarterbacks, receivers, secondary players. Like we're not
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: going to really be having any grand proclamations about the
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: defensive and offensive line in a non padded practice. But
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Carlton Davis, man, like those arms they're long, you know,
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: like you can see the build and the frame that
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: he has. And you know, along with Christian Gonzalez, who
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: I thought, I agree with you. I thought Christian Gonzalz
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: was the best player on the field yesterday and I
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: don't think it was particularly close, but one of the
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: advantages and then also one of the disadvantage of having
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: two guys like Christian Zalz and Carlon Davis is the
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: advantages those two guys are going to take out a
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: lot of passing offenses. Like those guys are gonna be
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: locking down a lot of good receivers hopefully for years
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: to come. But we'll see. I'm optimistic that's gonna happen.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: The flip side of that is it makes practice harder
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: on the offense, right, so like you're not always going
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: to see the offense lighting it up. But what were
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: your first impressions of some of those free agents? And
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: then I want to talk a little bit of Gonzo,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: but to start with the free agents.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: To start with the free agent, well, just first off,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: under some pressed, Morgan Moses out there, like credit to him.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: This is the guy that's coming off of a knee injury.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: I think he had surgery, right, he said in the
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: off season, you know, coming off of that. Wasn't super
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: involved yesterday, I think because of the medical stuff. So
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: he got to twelve year veteran, knows what he's doing
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: out there, isn't going to be doing a ton on
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: the field anyway, doesn't necessarily need to be here objectively,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: he probably doesn't need to be here. Not only is
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: he here, he's staying after practice to work with the
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: young tackles. And he talked after practice, you asked him
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: about this, like how important is from the be here
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: to help this young offensive line get along the leadership
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: clearly outstanding from him. That was an observation from him.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: The other I'm trying to mc hollands. Same thing mac
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: hollins was in practicing was in sweats on the first example,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: in giving our guys that didn't really do attens, that's
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: probably not great.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to know. The Morgan Moses thing is definitely notable.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: I understand that this is this is a very ota storyline. Yeah,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Morgan Moses taking the young guys under his wing. But
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: it matters, it matters. You know, he's played tackle in
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: the NFL for going on two decades now. He mentioned
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: after practice, Morgan Moses did that he's played with Trent Williams,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: he's played with Tyron Smith last year with the Jets,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: like he's played with Hall of Fame caliber offensive linemen
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: and left tackles. That's great. That's great mentorship from Will Campbell.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: And I think the thing that stood out to me
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: the most about it was how much Morgan Moses was
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: enjoying it. Like it wasn't just like all right, find rookie,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: like you know, let's talk right. It was Morgan Moses
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: was loving every minute of it, maybe even more so
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: than the young guys were loving listening to him. And
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: they were out there and on the practice field, and
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: you know, Will Campbell's like in his past set right,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: and Morgan Moses is, you know, trying to walk through
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: things with him. And you know, if I step here,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: you step there, my hand goes here, your hand goes
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: there like that sort of thing. And that's that's uh,
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: that's great, Like that's what it's all about. You know.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: You hear about all these like summits in the off season,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: pass rest, summits online masterminds, like that's what they're doing,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Like that's that's what they do at all these things.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Is you know, these are the moves that are getting
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: used against me. You know, how do I combat it?
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: You know, how how do I fix it? How do
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: I make it? Make myself a more well rounded player,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: not only just leading by example in terms of all
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: the other stuff that I'm sure Morgan Moses does around
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: the facility. But that's that was really cool to see,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Like I would love to get a microphone in there
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: and hear what they're actually talking about.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: And it's the wild thing to me is like every
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: time Morgan Moses asked about it, he's like, yeah, you know,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I had great veterans growing up, but he names Trent Williams.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Morgan Moses is like one of the oldest players
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: in the league.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was a rookie for a already veteran Trent Williams,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: which has kind of insane and really tipped the cap
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: to Trent Williams in the career he's had. But the
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: part of the reason it's just tough talk about the
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: free agents because I'm running through the list in my head.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: A lot of them are on defense. It's tough to
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: talk about the defense in a practice like this. I
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: will say this maybe not the name everybody wants to
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: hear about, but I think it's notable. West Schweitzer all
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: over the field, all over the offensive line, super involved.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people kind of wrote that
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: signing off as all right, you know, they paid this
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: guy one year minimum money, played one offensive snap last year,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: he's a camp body. We talked about this last week,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Michael Jordan and everybody was writing off at this time
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: last year ends up being.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Their starting guard.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I had Schweitzer in different different extent, but he at
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: a certain point lined up at four different positions yesterday.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: The only one I didn't see him at was left tackle.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: He was early and often at left guard, saw him
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: snapping a little bit, got some right guard reps briefly
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: at right tackle with different alignments and different groups and
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: all of that. So you know, some definitely carried more
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: weight than others, and it seemed like left guard was
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: his primary spot. But you know, City Show wasn't there.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Cole Strange was leadon, Robinson wasn't. Col Strange was involved
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: as well. But Wes Whitzer.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Feels like it's in the mix.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, percent, It definitely feels like he's really in the
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: mix more than just all right, he's a veteran.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: Its first day of OTA, so he's going to get
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: the NOD.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: So there's some element to that though, right, And I
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: understand if you didn't know who Wes Whiteser was until
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: today or still don't, I fully do not blame me, right,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: it's a it's a veteran into your offensive lineman who's
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: been mostly a backup throughout his career. But he does
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: have sixty two starts under his belt in the NFL.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: He's played eight years in the league, two starts across
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: multiple positions. Now, I talked to Brandon Thorn a little
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: bit about him off the air, and he just said,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: you know you, ideally, a guy like west Sweitzer is
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: like a super sub. Like he's your top backup on
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: the interior. The right guard goes down, he can play,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: the left guard goes down, he can play. You hope
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: that you have somebody that's that's starting that maybe is
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: a little bit better than a guy like west Sweitzer,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: but early on in training camp, early on in the season,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: just like Michael Jordan last year, until some of the
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: younger players start to make a push, until some of
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: those guys start to feel comfortable in what they're doing. Schematically,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: this is a time of year where guys like Westwitzer
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: take a lot of those top reps. It's just is
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: what it is.
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: The question is for West Schweitzer, but in all those
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: different positions, like well, that's what makes them kind of
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: like that super sub right, Like, if we consider him,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he can play right tackle, but
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: if we just say that he can play three different
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: positions on the interior, all three right both guard spots,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: and center, there's a ton of value in having that
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: player around, especially on game day, because if somebody gets
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: hurt and it's just a one for one replacement, Westwitzer
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: goes in, he plays right guard and and hopefully you know,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: the beat still still goes right and hopefully the train
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: is still rolling. Whereas if you have a guy that's
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: really only a one position backup, then you have to
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: change everybody around to get that player on the field
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: to replace the player that got hurt. So from that standpoint,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Westwitzer can be a valuable player if he can back
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: up all three interior spots, that's probably his best path
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: to the roster. But the other question from for west
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Switzer is how long can you hold off Eladen Robinson?
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: How long can you hold off you know a city,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: so Cole Strange I think is going to be in
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: the mix, but you get the drift, you know, Jered Wilson.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: Did Cole Strange look bigger to you?
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Maybe in the upper body.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, the thing we've talked about with Cole stranger
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: guard is he's you know, is he bulky enough? Is
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: he powerful play way mcdennis wants to play. It looks
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: like maybe he worked on changing his body type to
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: be more in the mix there.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So how long does he hold off those guys?
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: If at all? I don't know. You know, we'll find out,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: we'll see come training camp. But Westweitzer's an NFL interior
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: offensive lineman, Like, this guy's been around this is you know,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: he's not he's not Zach Martin, right, but he's also
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: not a nobody, Like he's got some experience and he's
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: got some name value to him. Now, along with Schweitzer,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: we saw a lot of close strange on the offensive line.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Will Campbell locked in at left tackle. I don't think
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: that's a surprise that anybody.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: Thoughts that really didn't move we're left tackleing center?
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, brad Berry and Will Campbell. Bradberry at center obviously,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Campbell at left tackle. What are your your feelings though
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: on left guard right now? Because I do think cold
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: strange based off what we saw and again it the
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: table at five hundred more time. We saw one day
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: of practice. Okay, we we haven't seen a time, but
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: based on what we saw, it just at least feels
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: like cold Strange has maybe the inside track. I would say,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: like it's good they kind of are. It seems like
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: they're they're giving him opportunities. Let me put it.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I mean that's what that's what the big caveat of
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: City so not being there. Yeah, but and I think
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Chaired Wilson looked like he might have been limited.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that too.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I think Cole Strange is maybe more in the mix
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: than me and some other people were giving him credit for. Yeah,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: I'll say that I need to see it with everybody
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: out there to be like he's the favorite, because I like,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: just knowing historically what Josh McDaniels.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Is liked City, so would be his guy based off
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: of that.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Now, maybe it's changed with this year he took and
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: he went around and he went to all these colleges
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: and saw offense being run differently. Maybe that changes, But
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: like traditionally City sow's his kind of guy. So you know,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: maybe City shows here next week when we're out there
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: and he's getting all those reps, and that wouldn't surprise
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: me at all, but it does seem like Cole Strange
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: is more in the mix.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: He's more in the mix and playing guard. You know,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: he played a little bit of center in warm ups
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: and like walk through type drills, but once they got
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: into full team, he was playing guard. I didn't see
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: him take any center any snaps once they got into
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: the full team stuff. Kad and Wallace top backup at
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: right tackle. It seems like, at least for now, you know,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: we'll see what happens. I kind of like that. I
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: think there's a there's a chance, and I know it
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: might be a year or two from now. Maybe that's
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: a little bit too long for some people's liking, but
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: the passing of the torch that could go on there
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: from Moses to Kayden Wallace makes a lot of sense.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: It would obviously be a lot more seamless for the
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Patriots if they didn't have to then go use another
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: draft pick and here on right tackle, because they feel
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: like they have one with Kid and Wallace. But the
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: last thing on the offensive line, I didn't I didn't
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: take it lightly that when they were doing team and
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Drake was struggling, his whole rights of the offensive line
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: was on the other field, not participating like you know,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: like Morgan Moses and Mike on Wenho were on the
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: other side of it, and they were working with Jared Wilson,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: and they were working with Jared Wilson. So I think
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: there's a good case to be made that three of
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: the five best linemen on the team were not participating
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: in those team drills. So it'd be interesting to see
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: what it looks like once those two, especially the two veterans.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know where Jared Wilson's going to factor into
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: all this, or when I should say Jared Wilson's going
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: to factor all into all of this, but those two
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: veterans were not participating in the competitive team periods, so
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: maybe that will help, you know, having a more solidified pocket.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: But let's gush a little bit about Christian Zalez, because
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: I thought he was the best player on the field yesterday.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: I didn't think he was particularly close. I thought he
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: looked even more like confident and comfortable than maybe even
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: what we saw last year when he was a second
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: team All.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Bro It's it's even at the podium like he seems.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: So He's not a guy talks a lot.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: We've talked about this, he's got that kind of step
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: fun get more quiet sauce.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: But was nothing wrong with that.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yesterday at the podium, you know, we had two picks.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: He's probably feeling himself a little bit, but yes, Sate
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the podium was like as confident as I've ever seen
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: him with the media, like the whole thing, on the field,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: after practice, all of it. He seems calm, comfortable, confident,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: And maybe that's having played a full NFL season, which
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: he obviously didn't do as a rookie.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: You're right, but he just seems like he's in a great,
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: great place right now.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So the first interception he had, it was just
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: you know, coverage rotation. He rotated down into the flat
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: and jumped to pass into the flat. Not to take
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: away anything from the play, but the second interception on
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: the deep ball was just an unreal like that would
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: have been if fans had saw that, if that was
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: like in a game like that would have been on
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: the top of a highlight reel type thing from Christian Gonzales.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: So it looked at me like it was, you know,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: deep post corner. So Kyle Williams nodded to the post
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: and then broke on the corner and Christian Gonzale was
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: like kind of in no man's land, a little bit
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: in the flat on the back side there, and I
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: thought that he probably had the deep third of the
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: field like in like a cover three look, and it
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: looked open, like it flashed open for a second and
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: looked like Drake May was gonna be able to get
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: the ball there to Kyle Williams. And I would estimate
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: that Christian Gonzalez covered forty yards, like probably about thirty
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: five forty yards just in a dead sprint right to
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: the spot where the ball was going and over the shoulder,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: just caught the ball in front of Kyle Williams. And
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: I don't think that Drake May or Kyle Williams thought
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: there was any chance that Christian Gonzalez was.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: Gonna get that bay. You tell me if we want
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: to step too far.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: And it was ota, So there's definitely some hyperbole here,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: a little ed reid ish.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: It was. It was a great pick, yeah, I mean
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: it was. And what I thought was even more encouraging
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: about it is that it was in zone like it
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: was like it wasn't like he was, you know, lockstep
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: in in Manton Man which is obviously awesome to watch him,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: you know, lockdown receivers in man as well, but sometimes
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: in zone coverage and early on in his career, in
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: his career at Oregon, you know, he wasn't it wasn't
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: a strength of his game. It was he was clearly
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: a man coverage corner. That was the strength of the game.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: But this play at Eyes in the backfield, he was
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: his own corner, had that you know, deep part of
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: the field over there. I wouldn't go as far to
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: say maybe as he baited him into it, but he
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: just kind of was Johnny on the spot and was
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: aware and alert to the route that Kyle Williams was running,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: and man, did he cover a lot of ground in
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: a hurry. I think that's one of the things that
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: always surprises me, even still a little bit about Gonzalez
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: is how fast he is. Because he's a big dude.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: He's like, you know, six', two he's a, big long,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: corner but he has got some real track, speed like
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: he's got some real four to three, wheels and he
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: certainly showed it on that. PLAY i just thought he he.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Dominated he dominated the practice like there's sometimes you, know
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: we see that every once in a while from like
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: A Christian barmore in the past or player like. That
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: this was a dominant showing From Christian, gonzales and it
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: can't help but be excited about what's going to happen
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: here With Carlon davis And Christian. GONZALES i think those
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: two guys together are going to be a, nightmare.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: And that we talked about this that they need to
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: upgrade to pass, rush and obviously they added some Guys
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Calevon Chase, on, who by the, way one of the
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: last players off the field yesterday stayed late to get
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: in some extra pass rush. Work but you, know they
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: added some pass Rushers Chase, On, Landry Milton williams obviously
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: in the.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: Middle BUT i said this at the time and you
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: kind of saw it.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Yesterday Adding Carlton davis And gonzalez taking that next step
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: is going to do as much for the pass rush as. Anything,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: yeah because they're going to have more time and vice.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: VERSA i Think davis is going to Help Christian. Gonzalez
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: the one knock On gonzales last, YEAR i think it
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: was maybe, overblown but it wasn't, inaccurate was that he
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: didn't have a ton of on ball. Production, yeah didn't
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: have a lot of pass, breakups didn't have a lot of,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: interceptions so AND i think some of that is just
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: he teams weren't throwing at. Him when they, did it
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: was like or opportunities where he wasn't going to be
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: able to make a play on the football because they
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: could pick on the other side and they had time
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: to kind of see the. Field Carlton davis on the
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: other side is going to be a lot harder to.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Test there's going to be a better pass. RUSH i
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: think you're one of those one of those. Picks the
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: first pick That christianzalez had was because The patriots got
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: in on a, blitz, yeah And Drake may had to
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: kind of throw. Hot AND i think you're going to
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: see more opportunities like that because the pass rush is
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: better and teams are going to Test gonzales, more which
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: is probably a good thing for. Him as we see
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: the ball, skills he's going to have a chance to
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: make some plays on the.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Football, Yeah That's that's definitely what stood out to me
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: was that both plays were eyes in the, backfield Not manta,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: man not you, know shadowing receivers like he had eyes
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: in the, backfield which is what allowed him to make
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: plays on the. Ball as he said after, Practice and
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: as much AS i love him And man and everybody
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: loves him And man for good, reason AND i want
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: him to play the majority of his coverage snaps in man,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Like i'm not trying to Turn christiganzales into his own,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: corner but if he is gonna Have Carlton davis on
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: the other, side one of the advantages of that, is you,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Know Carlton davis might be able to play the boundary
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: a little bit more and play THE x receiver a
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: little bit more than the guys they've had in the,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: past which would Allow Christian gonzales to play the field
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: side a little bit more or the you, know the bigger.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Uh if you're on the hash, right like the longer
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: side of the, field and when you play on the field,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: side a lot of the time you play a lot
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: more zone on that side of the field compared to the,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: boundary where even if you're like man to man or
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: you're in a you, know like a cover three or a.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Quarters look like if you're three by one and you're
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: on the, boundary so three receivers, one you, know to one,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: side one receiver to the. Other the boundary corner is
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: basically in man to man, coverage even if it's not
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: truly a man, call that's basically what's. Happening the field
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: corner is then more in like a zone coverage or
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: the way that they pass it off in, matches and
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: that allows eyes in the, Backfield like there's a world
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: where that will increase his on ball production where we
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: might see even more interception interceptions From Christian. Gonzales and
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: the exciting part about that is, also you, KNOW i
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: just mentioned his. Speed he's really fast in the open, Field,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: like so if he gets the ball and he has
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: a chance to return, it like he's going to flip
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: the field and he's going to return it potentially all
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: the way to the house in some. Instances so that's
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: exciting to me is that it almost Having davis in
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: a way almost like frees Up Christian gonzalez to be
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: a little bit more of a playmaker at, times WHICH
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: i think is something that they haven't always been able
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: to tap into because they've had smaller corners Like Jonathan
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: jones Or Marcus jones playing the opposite side on the.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Outside you can't really allow him to be his zone
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: corner or have eyes in the backfield and all that.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Stuff so that's exciting With Christian. GONZALES i think there's
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: another level to his playmaking ability that we might be
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: able to see now that he has, somebody you, know
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Like davis who can kind of take out his assignment
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: and handle more boundary. Responsibilities a couple of other. Things
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: and THEN i want to get to the. Rookies we
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Saw Christian barmore out there. Participating looked like he was
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: a full, go a full. Participant i'm like holding my
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: breath about it a little. Bit i'm not going to
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: lie to, you LIKE i just crossed my. FINGERS i
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: hope for his sake that nothing happens and nothing pops
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: back up for. Him it was good to see him out.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: There it was kind of. Cool you, know very first
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: snap of team, drills you See Kean, White Christian, Barmore Milton,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Williams Harold, Landry, Yeah Carlon davis on one, Side Christian
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: gonzalez to the other. Side that was the, Vision, like
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: that's that's the, defense, right that's the core or the
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: foundation of the defense. There did you take anything away from.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: BARMORE i know it's you, know non padded practice for defensive,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: linemen BUT i guess like the one takeaway is just
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: it was good to see him out.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: There.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: YEAH i, mean he had told us he'd been, cleared
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: so you knew he was going to be out, There
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: BUT i cleared could mean so many other, things, right and,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: like all, right, well is he going to be out
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: there standing?
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Around is he only going to do?
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Individual he didn't come off the field like he was
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: out there as much As Milton williams and any of
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: those other, Guys so not just like cleared for, action
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: but it didn't look limited at, all which is obviously.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: Encouraging and like you, said it's a medical.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Thing you Never it's not like he's trying to come
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: back from a, hamstring, right, Right so you never, know
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: and you hope for the best, Obviously but it looks
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: like he's at least his things stand right. Now looks
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: like he's in as good a place as he can.
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: Be.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah the other thing with the defensive line just THAT
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: i thought was notable is JUST i feel Like Keon
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: white is such AN x factor for this, group not
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: that he was bad by any means last. Year he
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: was a good player for them last, year you, know
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: forty five quarterback. Pressures he was a good. Player he's disruptive,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: player but it was. Inconsistent it obviously was really good
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: early and then kind of tailed off as the season went.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: On but he was getting more. Attention and you, know
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: there's no Bar more at least not at full tilt last,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: year and there's nobody else really for offensive linemen and
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: offensive coordinators to worry about or scheme, about you, know
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: game plan for during the. Week But Keon white to,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: me is a REAL x factor like this this group
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: could be the defensive line in particular in their front
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: like they could be really a border line elite if
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: he takes that next step, right because you if you
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: assume That barmore is gonna be, himself WHICH i get
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: is also a little bit of a of a leap
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: if you, will you know what you're getting In Milton.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Williams SO i, think you, know maybe as a run,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: defender there's still some unknown, there but you feel pretty
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: good that you're getting a really good player In Milton.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Williams If Keon white takes that next step forward and
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: he's more consistent and he's more gap, sound and he's you,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: know keeping the quarterback in the. Pocket he's playing a
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: little bit more as like a four to three defensive
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: end with his hand in the dirt and allowing him
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: to kind of get up the field and not worry
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: so much about containment and things like. That that, that
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: to me put like makes the elevates them even. More
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: like that could really push this group on the defensive
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: line up another. Level i'm excited to see what they
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: do With Keon white BECAUSE i thought in the old
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: scheme he's kind of too big to be a three
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: to four outside linebacker up on his, feet he's like
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: too heavy for. That but then he wasn't quite big
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: enough to be like a two gapping defensive. End so
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: he's kind of a, tweeter but as a four to three,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: end you, know rushing the quarterback and getting up the.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Field like you can see a vision there for Ke
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: On white being a really disruptive.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Player oh, Yeah, NO i think that he's somebody who's
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: definitely gonna benefit from this system. CHANGE i think did
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: he's probably better fit In rabel's defense than the one
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: he was. In, yeah let's talk a little. Rookies, uh
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: we Saw Will campbell at mini. Camp rather mean to
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: go from Ke On white like those two, guys we
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: saw him go at it a. Ton it's gonna be
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: a really good and this is no unpadded so you
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: really can't take off from. It but just the idea
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: THAT i think there's gonna be a lot of those
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: two guys head to head in one on ones in.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Team it's gonna be a great opportunity For Will campbell
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: because Key On white stylistically is the kind of player
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: that Gave campbell the most.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Trouble now, yeah, big, long, physical uh you, know good
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: good off the. Ball absolutely So Will campbell, aside because,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: look there's not a ton to clean right now About Will.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Campbell he can watch his, footwork he can watch how he,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: moves but we already knew he moved, well like he's
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: a great, Athlete like he's gonna move. Well the one
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: guy that we didn't see At Rookie mini camp WHO
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: i thought was impressive yesterday Was Trevon, Henderson patriots second round.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Pick he is just a brick house first of, All
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: like he's just well built, guy not, big like he's
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: not you, know he's Not Derrick, henry but like he's
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: for his, size he's extremely well, built like there's a
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: compact kind of denseness to his. FRAME i thought his
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: explosiveness and his speed was evident just watching him from
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: the eye, TEST i thought he looked. Quick he looked,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: fast looks. Balanced he, was you, know catching screens and
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: kind of jitterbugging around a little bit as well on
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: some of those. Plays i'm bullish on this. GUY i
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: think he's gonna be a really big impact player for,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: them and not a running backs, guy but this guy
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: because of his impact that he can make in the passing,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: game both as a pass catcher and as a. BLOCKER
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: i just think that adds a dimension of big playability
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: that they just didn't. HAVE i think he looked looked
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: apart and then some to me.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: And the burst like when he gets in the open,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: field seeing it in, person when he gets to that
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: top gear is really. Something how quick he can do
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: it and what that top gear. Is so, yeah he.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Was he was fun to watch.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Yesterday, Yeah Kyle, WILLIAMS i thought again stacked, Today LIKE
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: i think he gets open now it's OTA's there's no,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: contact so you can't you can't get your hands on.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Anybody you can't you, know hit anybody over the middle
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: of the. Field there's no. Contact so in this, setting
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: a receiver Like Kyle williams should, shine like this should
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: be The Kyle Williams. Show but to his, credit you,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: know he did get open a couple of. Times yesterday
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: you mentioned the opacity caught along the sideline on the.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: OUT i thought he was initially flashed open on that
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: deep ball That Christian gonzalez picked. OFF i thought he
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: created the separation at the top of the. Route the
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: one thing THAT i would say With Kyle williams And
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: drake may Is Kyle williams to, me is a type
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: of receiver that you can't, overthrow like you instead of
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: throwing the ball to a spot where he has to
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: then elevate and like kind of win a jump ball
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: down the, field you've got to lead him and you
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: got to let him just run underneath it because he's
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: not a big, dude so he's not a jump ball.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Receiver so more THAT i see him in, PERSON i
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: know other people have had this comp or have mentioned this.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: CALL i do kind of see a little bit Of
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Brandon cooks in, Him LIKE i think he's got a
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: similar size to. Him obviously great. Speed not quite as
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: fast in terms of time speed As Brandon, cooks BUT
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: i think he plays really. Fast and then also just
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: the way he runs routes and the way he, SEPARATES
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: i think has a little bit Of Brandon, cooks but
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Like Brandon, cooks like he's not he's not, big he's not,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Tall he's not gonna win jump. Balls his place rank
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: is going to be a question. Mark like those things
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: are all gonna be things they have to work around
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: or have to work. With but on that play, again
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: like If Drake may just puts it ten yards out
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: in front of him and lays it out for, him
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: THEN i would much rather See Kyle williams try to
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: run underneath it than have to go high point the
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: ball in between two. Defenders so they'll work on that
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff and they'll get that kind and stuff ironed.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Out but the good news is that we're not coming
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: in here and talking about How Kyle williams can't get,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: open like he's definitely getting open. Now they just have
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: to figure out the catch points stuff and all that
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: kind of detail that comes.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Along, WELL i thought the other interesting thing And, look
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: it's just one, day so maybe this is what they
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: were working. On but that kind of guy In josh
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: McDaniel's offense traditionally has been a middle of the field. Guy,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: yeah but both in terms of where he was aligning
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: and where he was. Running a lot of his routes
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: he was on the. Outside he was outside the, hatches
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: he was outside the. Numbers his two best routes of the,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: day we're deep. Outs he caught one of, Them Josh
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: dobbs under through the, other But Kyle williams did his.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Part so, yeah he gets open, like he gets, open
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: he gets open on the. Outside, Yeah and this is
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: what they've been. Missing as much as they've struggled at
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: wide receiver in recent, years there's a pretty consistent through
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: line of guys who can take care of themselves in
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: the middle of the, field From edelman To myers To.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Pop like it's different levels and they do it, differently
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: and obviously With pop there's like a health, thing but
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: when they're on the, field they're they're solid middle.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Of the field.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Options it's been that guy outside the numbers to stretch
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: the defense horizontally to open up the middle of the
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: field for that player that they've been. Missing so to
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: See Kyle williams being able not just, win but win
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: on the, outside that was my big takeaway from esterday
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: is because you, KNOW i was KINDA i wondered if
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: they were going to use him at THE x or
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: was he going to be an inside. Guy it looks
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: like they're getting ready to play THE x play on
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: the outside and if he can get open on the,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: outside like that's What Taekwon thornton was supposed to, be
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: So Nikhil harry was supposed to.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: Be it's why they traded For Devonte.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Parker we can go through a lot of the wide
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: receiver moves they've made that they've missed on in the
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: last five to eight. Years we're, trying we're trying to
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: get that outside guy to draw attention out there and
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: open up the middle of the. Field Kyle williams stylistically
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: is very different than any of those. Players so he
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: is and To Brandon cooks is probably the last like
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: really good outside guy they, Had so that that was
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: encouraging to. Me Yesterday, again maybe yesterday it was, just,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: hey today's the outside deck because he can play three.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Spots yesterday was the outside day For Kyle. Williams maybe
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: tomorrow he's back inside and they're gonna work him. Everywhere
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: BUT i did like not just seeing that he was
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: able to get, open but that he was able to
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: get open on the outside.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Based off of one, day based off of. Yesterday, yeah
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: the routes That Kyle williams was running reminded me a
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: lot of how McDaniel's Used Brandon. Cooks is that gonna,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: HOLD i, Don't we'll, see, Right but in terms of
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: the where outs he was running, YESTERDAY i felt LIKE
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: i was kind of Watching Brandon cooks and the deep
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: ball That Drake may did throw to, him it, was you,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: know he kind of moved into the line of scrimmage
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: a little, bit kind of gave him some more space
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: to set up the double move and runs a big double,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Move LIKE i remember it was In Mexico city against The,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Raiders brady threw a touchdown pass To Brandon cooks on that, route,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: right like they like that is the type of stuff
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: that you know they were doing With cooks within the
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: framework of this. Offense so even though it is technically
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: outside and you know they are vertically stretching the, feet
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: it's still within the confines of like what mcdaniels's comfort
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: zones are, Right like they're still kind of pressuring the
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: middle of the. Field he's kind of closer to you,
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: know and more of like a reducer tight split and
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: not all the way out wide like in the max
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: split outside the. Numbers it's not in. Isolation just release
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: and run a go route and beat your. Guide there
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: might be some of, that but there's more nuance to
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: it than. That i'm excited to see how they continue
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: to stack that. Together but it had a little cook
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: see and feel to, me which is not a bad.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Thing LIKE i Love Brandon cooks, said we're Both brandon cook.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: STANDS i. Believe, yeah so all Four Brandon. Cooks moving
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: on here to the other. Rookies Jared wilson we mentioned
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: and seemed limited didn't do a whole, time so skip over.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Him the one guy That I'M i need to watch
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: more of in practice and next WEEK i will do it,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: because as you, know my eyes go towards the offense
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: like it just it's my favorite part of the. Game
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: it's also you, Know Drake mays the, franchise LIKE i
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: want to what the quarterback's, doing just happens to be
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: the way it. Is BUT i do feel like we
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: should talk about AND i THINK i need to watch
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: more Of Craig woodson BECAUSE i think he's starting to you,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: know he had a couple of flashes In ricky. Minicamp
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: he had a flash yesterday and made a diving interception
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: on a tip. Pass is there a world Where Craig
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: woodson's more involved than maybe originally, thought or maybe not
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: even originally, thought but just more, INVOLVED i mean helved
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: as that third.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Safety, yeah, absolutely and he can play a bunch of
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: different spots and maybe it's not as that true free
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: safety we thought they, needed but rotating with with dug
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: And peppers.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Certainly. YEAH i thought he was good. Yesterday he has
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: a little bit more pure coverage, ABILITY i would say
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: than the dugger And. Peppers Like duggar And, peppers we
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: know what they're good, at their physical, safeties their downhill.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Players they play in the. Box you, know they want
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: to come, downhill take on, blocks you, know blitz maybe on,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: occasion you, know cover a tight end or so so
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: on and so. FORTH i would say That woodson really
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: feels more like a pure cover, safety like a guy
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: that can play, nickel a guy that can play up,
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: top that has you, know ball skills around the, football
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: that can make plays on the. Ball so it's exactly
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: what the doctor ordered in terms of skill sets and
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: like putting that group. Together there's a very good chance
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: and hand up BECAUSE i did not Have Craig woodson
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: rated as highly as The patriots drafted. Him there's a
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: very good chance this was The patriots a getting one
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: on the old, media, right like this is a good
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: scout by.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Them.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: POTENTIALLY i think maybe they were right on this player
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: and the media was wrong or the media was too,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: LOW i should say on. Him you know a lot
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: of people had him as more like a mid to
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: late day three, pick and The patriots picked him in
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: the fourth. Round but maybe we were sleeping On Craig.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: WOODSON i was. Impressed was there any other rookies that
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: they drafted guys before we get to the undrafted guys
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: that stood out to?
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: YOU i Mean Marcus bryant working with more And Moses,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: yeah along With Will CAMPBELL i thought was.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Notable borgallis hit all four his. Kicks i'll let you
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: get to the kickers in a second Two.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah it's it's like the free, agents Like day
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: three is pretty much all.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Defense, YEAH i would say That Doretty.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Farmer wasn't out, there so so let's, uh let's talk
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: a little bit about the undrafted rookies and then we'll
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: circle back to the.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: Kickers But bregallis was drafted that come, on.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Okay let's go kickers.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: First he hit all, four kind of hit the first
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: one the first, One, no he, didn't so he.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Didn't he was, good, yeah but didn't hit it.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah but there's something to be said for if
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: you don't hit the ball right and it still goes,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: through it means your mechanics are probably pretty, clean good, consistency,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Right so you don't want to see, it, obviously but
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: when your mis hits are going, through that's generally a good.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Sign.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Uh and then drilled the other three And John Parker
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: romo missed two a, four missed one wide, right miss one.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: Wide, left which kind of means he probably got in
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: his head started. Overcompensating.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Uh borgalis definitely starts with an edge just being drafted
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: here in his kicker, competition but, big big win for him.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Yesterday so way too early for This i'm gonna say it, anyways,
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Though is there a chance that we get through mini
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: camp and they just decided that It's borgollis's, Job BECAUSE
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: i think if he continues to kick like he did,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: yesterday every single day and he just passes all the
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: tests you drafted the kid to begin, with that's already
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: giving him a leg. Up like you really don't know
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: anything To John Parker, Romo LIKE i guess the competition
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: is always good throughout the, summer and it always helps
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: to have two kickers in, camp maybe to a, degree
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: but it just feels to me like something like the
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: ground would really have to fall out from Underneath borgoalis
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: for him to lose the.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: Job SO i think it depends on two.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: THINGS i do think it's possible that they make a
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: decision before roster. Cuts but, one if they want to
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Keep John Parker romo in the practice squad is a,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Backup you're probably not going to cut him In june
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: and then reach down.
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: To the practice squad late like that's not really how it.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Works and, then like you, said do they just want
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: to keep that element of competition to just keep the
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: press sure up on? Board? Gallis you see how he handles,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: it that, alone to them may be worth that roster.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Spot i'm not a kicker, expert don't pretend to, be
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: but based off of WHAT i saw, YESTERDAY i thought
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: he kicks the ball pretty, clean like he's a consistent,
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: stroke which is what you want to look. For and,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: kickers you, know you can tweak things here and there
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: if you have a, miss you, know a little, left little,
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: right you tweak, things but you want to see it's
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: like a golf. Stroke you want to see it the
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: same every single. Time he's got a really consistent. Stroke
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: and like you, said he kind of shanked that first
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: one and it still went, through which tells you that
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: he's dead. On he just kind of mishit it so.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Just the WAY i heard, it AND i DON'T i
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: wasn't close enough to see exactly what, happened but the way it,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: sounded the way he hit the, ball and just the
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: way the ball flight, was my guess is he was
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: like a tiny step probably, ahead and instead of because
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: you want to hit the ball like sort of low
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: right off the, GROUND i think he probably got up
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: more towards the middle of the ball and that's why
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: it went like.
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: That so BUT i think his mechanics were. Clean he
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: just didn't hit the ball in the.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: Rights, yeah, yeah all, right undrafted. Rookies it was you,
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: know mini, camp rookie mini. CAMP i was all on Land.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: LARISON i was all excited About Minnie burkhead over. There
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: this was A Efton chishm.
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: Day, well, No Land larrison still got a ton of.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Run but this was an Eft chism. Day, okay we'll
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: Do chism Firstft chishm looked looked. Good this is more
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: WHAT i was expecting from. You Afton chism looked. GOOD
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: i told YOU i wasn't gonna do this with.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: RECEIVERS i already gushed About Kyle williams in a non,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: padded non contact.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Realistic About Kyle Williams Efton, chisholm comparing him To Brandon,
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: cooks who has like six one thousand yard. SEASONS i, mean,
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: stylistically you're not. Wrong, yeah stylistically is a similar play
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: and to be just really. Quickly but this is going.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Backwards but the one element Of Kyle williams's, GAME i
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: don't know if he has quite the like three level
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: speed That cooks, does like to really be like an
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: over the top vertical field.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Stretchis at his peak was one of the top ten fastest, players, Right,
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: LIKE i don't know if he has quite but the
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: one thing THAT i think he's better at Than cooks
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: is he's a much better ball carrier and he's like
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: much more aware of like.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: Spatial thing last year that he worked on going in
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: the last. Year, Yeah like he took an end around
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: yesterday and looked pretty smooth doing. That, LIKE i think
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: there's that element that maybe he can make up for
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: the fact that he's not quite as fast down the
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: field As Brandon, cooks but he's maybe a little bit
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: better with the ball in his. Hands that's an aside
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: going To Afton. CHISHOLM i just think that he looks
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: exactly HOW i expected him to. Look, Yeah like he's
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: literally just the, Stereotype like he is a jitterbug slot
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: receiver In josh McDaniels'. Offense and it seems to me
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: Like josh McDaniels is already a little bit excited about
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: this guy because he was getting a lot of. Run
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: it was mostly With Josh, dobbs so like normally this
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: time of, year that's what you take note of is
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: like which quarterback is he throwing? Right which receivers is
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: he running? With but he was running with some of
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: the guys that have a chance to make the. Roster
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: like it wasn't like all of his refs were, with you,
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: know guys at the back end of the. Roster there
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: were some reps there with some of the top.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: GUYS i, mean he WAS i would say he was
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: with the second, group but he was featuring in that.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Group he kind of reminded me just how he was
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: used different player of Where Jacoby myers was at this
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: point in twenty. Nineteen Like Kobe myers caught a ton
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: of passes From Brian hoyer And Chariot, stadham but he
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: was sort of the feature guy with that second, Group
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: AND i think that's sort of he is a quarterback's
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: best friend type of. Receiver he knows how to get.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Open he knows where to get open against, Zone like
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: he knows where the sauce spots are and the voids
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: and how to sit and like how to find those.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Areas he can separate against man to, man like he's
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: got the quickness at the top of their had to.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: Separate had a few nice jump cuts in the open
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: field yesterday where he made some guys. Miss there's not
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: a lot of burst or straight line speed, there but
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: there's a ton of just, savvy like just receiver. Savvy
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: and even though it, might you, know some people want
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: to move past, that the stereotype of That Wes, Welker Julian,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Edelman DANNY. A, mondola a type of slot. Receiver there's
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: always going to be a role for that type of
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: player in this. Offense that type of player is always
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: going to be able to thrive in this type of.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Offense AND i just Think eft And chisholm just kind
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: of checks that. Box, Now, yeah is he going to
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: go out and be a star and be the Next Julian?
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: Edelman?
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Like probably not, No BUT i thought he he looks
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: the part of that type of, receiver AND i could
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: see how you, know third and, six you need seven,
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: yards LIKE i COULD i could see. IT i could
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: see that guy being a reliable player for a, quarterback
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: a chain. Mover, yeah, YEAH i.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Agree i'll talk About Lean, Larson i'll talk about your
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: guy because he got like he was on the field
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: with the top. Unit, yeah quite a. Bit and that's
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: With Romander stevenson nut, there so it comes with that.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Caveat but you talk about that third running back, spot
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: kind of seems like he's Pushing Antonio gibson.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Already he has some. Bursts.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah now the top end speed is it is he
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: the fastest running? Back, no but his bill to get
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: to his top speed out Of cutts is like those
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: like first ten five to ten. Yards, yeah he is
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: kind of shot out of a. Cannon so they were
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: using him in some pony, looks WHICH i thought was
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: interesting because that's a little more advanced than maybe the
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: basic stuff you're gonna run with the guys you plan
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: on just having out there for the. Preseason SO i
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: thought it was an encouraging day for him.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: Yesterday both those, GUYS i definitely you can see how
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: they fit into this. McDaniels you know the, role you've
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: seen the role, before you know the look of, it
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: you know the type of, player and both those guys
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: fit into those you, know that third down pass catching,
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: back you, Know rex burkehead type of, role maybe even
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: if you're projecting him to be a little bit more
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: well rounded in terms Of laris and then obviously the
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: slot receiving. Role For, chisholm like you see. It, yeah
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: those are the types of guys that you see it.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: With and, YEAH i probably mentioned this After Rookie, minicamp
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: but you, know With, CHISHOLM i was talking To Eric
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: galco who's the director of The Shine, bowl and you
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: know he's he was, Legitimately eric was legitimately upset with
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: teams that they Let chishim go undrafted because of the forty,
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: Time like the forty time is why he went. Undrafted
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: and his production was just off the charts At Eastern.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: Washington and he was just exactly the type of receiver that's,
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: quick not, fast and is just what he, is, Right
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: he's just the type of receiver that he, played type
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: of role that he, plays and And eric really felt
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: like he should have been drafted and thought that he
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: was a lot of people, thought you, know better than other,
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: guys you know, better you know than some of the
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: other players in that mold that did get. Drafted SO
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: i think there's some excitement there For ft and Chisel
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: man layers a.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: Cup, More udfa takes yeah real. Quick the guy that
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: a guy we talked a lot of coming out Of
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: Rookie Minie.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: Camp that we didn't see as much of WAS. Cj. Dupree,
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: yeah it actually.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: Looks like It's jack West over that maybe he has
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: the early inside track on that third tight end.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Spot For jack.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: West, over that's the guy that's dealt with some injuries
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: and there's some talent there there. Is he's been, hurt
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: but you, know so that'll be something to. Watch you
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: gotta give me like thirty seconds On Ben wooldridge because
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: you were to me for. This YEAH i said, this
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: and you kind of rolled your. Eyes but there's something to.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: This Ben woldridge knows how to be a backup.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: Quarterback it's just such a the WAY i, Rolled and
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: no disrespect To Ben. WOOLRIDGE i rolled my eyes in
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: disrespect to you because it's such a you take like it's, like,
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: oh that guy doesn't actually have aspirations to be a.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: Start THAT i don't mean it THAT i don't mean
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: it the sense he doesn't have aspirations to be a.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Starter but this will make sense in a. Second he's
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: in college for seven. Years he started nineteen, games eleven
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: to them were last. Season some of that was due to,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: injuries but like we heard this last, year a lot
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: With Drake may when he was Behind Jacoby, versett and
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: then With Joe milton about how there's only so many
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: reps available at the quarterback position and how do you
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: get better when you're maybe not out?
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: There And Ben woldridge is a guy who has.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Been in that spot quite a bit AND i think
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: he knows how to make the most of. It and
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: WHAT i mean by that which stood out to. Me
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: we heard a lot last year about mental. Reps that
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: was a big talking point this time last. Year this
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: is such a where and you see it where the
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: rest of the when they're running, team the rest of
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: the offenses on the, sideline the quarterback and this isn't,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: uncommon quarterback will go stand about ten fifteen yards behind the,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: offense directly behind the quarterback that's in the live, drill
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: usually next to the offensive coordinator one of the, coaches
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: and you'd stand back there so you can see, it
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: and you mentally go through in your, head all, right
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: this is WHAT i would do AS i see it.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Happen Ben woldridge took that to another. LEVEL i don't
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: remember seeing anybody do it to this level. Before he's
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: miming the entire thing where literally down in the quarterback state.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Mic, yeah he's.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Pointing out the, mic he's going through the full. Drop
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: it looked like its synked up at. Times so this
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: was when they were split. Fields it Was Drake may
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: on one, side Then dobbs And woldridge on the, Other
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: like it synked up perfectly With dobbs and it looked
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: like a glitch in the. Matrix but there's also times
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: where like he's pointing out the mic back behind the
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: play Before dobbs, did and so it's like he's really
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: making the MOST i think of the situation he's in
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: and we ultimately he's got to make, plays and he
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: didn't have a ton of.
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: Reps it was a lot more favorite Towards dobbs on
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: that side of the.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Field and, Yeah i'm sure he'll get more chances once
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: we get into the summer and obviously the, preseason and
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: he's gonna have to make. Plays but for a guy
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: that's probably in the outside looking in For ross or,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: SPOT i don't think it's, impossible but in the outside
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: looking in or we know they're going to keep a
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: third quarterback on the practice, squad but prove he can
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: be that. Guy this coaching staff that talks so much
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: about being involved in you know that that level of
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: engagement all. That, ye that kind of process is something
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: that's probably gonna go over well for, them go over
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: well with.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: Them so it was.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: Interesting it was kind of fascinating to. See i've never
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: seen anybody do. That it's probably a good thing for
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: him if. It you, know he has to make plays
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: at the end of the. Day that's not saying he's
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: going to Push dobbs for the backup job or, anything
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: but it was it was an interesting. Process the third string,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: quarterback weirdly, enough is going to be talked about on
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: this team locked. In, well, no it's going to be
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: talked about because they Traded Joe, milton sure, right and
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: so it's going to.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: Be something we.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Discussed and So Ben waldridge is going to be somebody come.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Preseason if he doesn't look, good why they Trade Joe?
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Milton or if he looks, good see that's why they
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Traded Joe. Milton it's, weird but you know people are
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: going to do. That so it's interesting to watch his
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: process and it is a fascinating process to.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: Me so that was a lot of time On Ben.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: WOOLRIDGE i will he's if he's the third, Quarterback it's like,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: fine it's, fine he's if he's on the practice, squad
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: if he's on the. ROSTER i would probably prefer him
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: to just be on the practice. SQUAD i, know you
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: know that makes it harder at the emergency quarterback and
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: all that kind of. Stuff BUT i if he's a
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: third quarterback in, camp, camp barham and then a practice,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: squad you, know the third, qbeah totally.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: Cool, look we know they're going to keep it third
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: quarterback somehow, somewhere whether it's on the practice squad or
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: the active. Roster is it him or are they gonna
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: have to go get, somebody you, know maybe after spring,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: practices before camp or after camp or. Something and so
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: it's the quarterback. Position everything's under a, microscope and can
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: he be that guy or they have to going to
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: go get somebody. ELSE i like his, Process that's basically my.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: TAKEAWAY i like his. Process all.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: Right so that was day two overall of. OTAs we
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: didn't mention one. Thing day one of OPEN. Oto we should.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: Give Javon baker credit made the catch of the. Day
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: we didn't talk about.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: It he did still in the mix which we kind
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: of wondered how much he'd be made a great. Catch
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: he's the one guy That Beacon soalies boxed him out
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: on a comeback back shoulder play back shouldered.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: A Great he made a great. Catch you did make a.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: Catch you were also we were talking during practice About Jalen.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: POLKHO i believe it's a shoulder right that he heard
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: at the very end of last. Year, yes and he.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: Was he was off to the, side but he was
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: working With i'm blanking on a coach's, Name Rolly Larkin Riley.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: State they hire From Ohio. State it seemed like they
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: were running the offense like they were going through the
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: routes that he would be running if he was. Participating
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: so he's kind of Like, woolridge like he's trying to
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: take those mental reps and stay locked. In it doesn't
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: seem like he's he's a full go yet in terms
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: of participating in team. Drills So jalen poll kind, of you,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: know still pacing his way. Back Javon baker made a
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: nice play on that back shoulder. FADE i thought he
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: could have finished a cash down the field potentially too
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: that he, didn't but could play on him on that
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: back shoulder. Fade i'll say the same Thing i've always
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: said About Javon. Baker it's not talent like the. Guy
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: the guy has. Ability he's got a lot of talent
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: and probably would have been drafted even higher if it
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: wasn't for all the other stuff he's. Got it to,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: me he has to prove that he can be locked
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: in like that mentally bought, in locked in on the,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: system you know that that whole. Thing, like if he
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: can prove that he can do all of that and
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: every it's not the thing about being in THE nfl
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: is it can't be once a week like it has
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: to be every single, Day, right you have to come
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: out and you have to be one hundred percent every,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Day like that's how you have to be if You're Javon.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: Baker if he can do, that which has been a
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: little bit of a, Concern but if he can do,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: that THEN i think he's got all the ability in
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: the world to make this roster and push for playing
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: time because it's not a great receiver. Room it's not
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: like there's a bunch of studs in front of him
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: at that, position especially Until diggs comes, back you, know
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: there is wide open there in terms of reps with this.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: Group SO i still think That Javon baker Or Jalen
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: polk can make a. Push But Jalen polk's got to
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: get out there. Again, Obviously Javon baker's got every single
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: day he's got to be locked. In it doesn't mean
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: he has to be first one, in last one out
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: like he doesn't have to be a, cliche but you
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: just have to be as locked in as you possibly
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: can be on all those. Days so that's uh OTAs
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: we took a lot away from one day OF. Ota
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: so that's what we do in a, WEEK i bet
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: you you know will probably none of it will. Matter
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: hopefully in a couple of, weeks hopefully none of those
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: interceptions that we talked about at the beginning of the
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: show will have any. Credence but what we're going to transition,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: now we'll take your phone, calls we'll take your. Email
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: else open up the show, here maybe talk a little
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: bit of push. PUSH i know you have a take
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  Speaker 2: on that the receding proposal by The Detroit lyons also
• 1:04:10
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  Speaker 2: you guys have been. WAITING i apologize as. ALWAYS i
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: don't know if this is, on trying to figure that,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: out maybe not stalling doing my. Best let me, See
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: i'll fix. It Maybe alex can fix, it maybe Other.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: Alex can you pull up those? Calls you can pull
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Up sean for us, first because he's been waiting the. Longest,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: Sewan you're, there what's?
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: Up?
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: Sewn all?
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 7: Right i'm, here we got. YOU i have a comp
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 7: for twelve rookies AND i just wanted to hear your
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 7: opinions on What i'm, Guessing so we'll start With Will.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 7: CAMPBELL i Have Colts Bernard, raymond running Back Travon. HENDERSON
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 7: i Have, Packers Aaron, jones wide, Receiver Carl. WILLIAMS i
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 7: Have Broncos Marvin nim's, Center Jared, Wilson BROWN'S Jc, tretter
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 7: Safety Craig Woodson, Titans Comoni, hooker The intensive defensive Tackle Joshua,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 7: farmer multiple Teams Carlos, watkins Edge Brandon, Swinston, Saints Carl, granderson,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 7: Kicker Andy Borack, Gallas, Browns Dustin, hopkins left, Tackle Marcus, Bryant,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 7: Lions Dan, skipper long Snapper Julian, Ashby, Texans john we
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 7: Quarnerback Kobe MINOR cfl multiple team At gainey and IF
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 7: udfa pullback Brock lamp The allions of Course. Lessenger so
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 7: let me know.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: What you guys.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: Think, Thanks Thanks, Sean thanks for research. There, YEAH i
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: love doing. Comps it's one of my favorite parts of draft.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: Season i'd just love to think about, it and it's
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: just a cool way to kind of encapsulate a. Prospect
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: and no one is saying that those guys are going
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: to be one for one are exactly their careers but
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: it's just a cool way to encapsulate. It i've heard
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: The Bernard raymond comp a time For Will. CAMPBELL i
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: would say That raymond is a little bit what's the,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: WORD a little bit, wider a little bit, longer but
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: not as. NASTY i Think Will campbell's got a little
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: bit more of an edge to him Than Bernard. Raymond
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: BUT i think that's a decent. ONE i think that's
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: a good. One With Travon. HENDERSON i see a lot
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: Of Breeze hall In Travon. Henderson that's just my com
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: Form Aaron, JONES i GUESS i could kind of see
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: that as, well you, know more of a speed. Guy
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: Kyle williams With Marvin. Mims mimms had a good rookie.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 5: Year.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: YEAH i really Like Marvin mims coming. OUT i Think
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: mims is a little bit more of a. Returner, yeah
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: he's also he has more ball. SKILLS i don't know
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: that he's the the.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: Separator, YEAH i hear. You, Yeah, no those are good,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: comps THOUGH i agree with a lot of.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: THEM i like The Marcus Bryant Dan skipper. One that's
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: actually a good, one big athletic tackle that you can
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: probably get creative With if you want swing tackle, potential
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: he's probably gonna, be you, know, backup fringe. Starter but
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: there's value in that. Guy that's actually that's a good
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: Comp Dan.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: Skipper Dan skipper has carved out a real nice career
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: for himself In. Detroit, Okay Marcus brian ends up Being
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: Dan skipper and he's you, know there a third tackle
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: a tackle eligible guy can spot star like, That Dan
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: skipper is a solid. PRO i Think Dan skipper at
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: a seventh round. Pick all. Day all, Right patty is an.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: Aguam what's Up patty?
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 8: Gentlemen, hey just a couple of things. Today first. Thing,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 8: FIRST i Know i'm just a fan in my opinion doesn't,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 8: matter But i'm lobbying For alex to get to the
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 8: joint practices insane In minnesota ninety eighty. Five if you're,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 8: listening get our guys or get your guy. There, great
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 8: that's the first. Thing AND i wanted to get your
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 8: guys opinion on. SOMETHING i really feel, like especially if
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 8: they go into the season, healthy that this defense could
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 8: really hit the ground running this. Year AND i, think
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 8: especially if they're able to generate some good pass, rush
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 8: especially from the, INSIDE i think those two outside corners
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 8: are going to feast AND i think you, know it
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 8: might be quarterway midway through the season where the offense
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 8: hits its. STRIDE i just want to get your guys
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 8: opinion on. That i'll take it off the. Air as,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 8: always the guys are the.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: Best, Thanks, patty appreciate. IT i don't know if You
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: you probably don't know about, this But fred asked me
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: how you were doing yesterday on the. Show, OKAY i,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: said you're doing. GREAT i nothing the faarius about, that
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: BUT i said that we're hoping that you're going to
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: get to joint Practices. Minnesota And fred gave a whole
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: speech at the end of the show that you should
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: show your bosses about why you should be going to
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: join practices In. Minnesota he did not say that you
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: would be coming with. Us he said ninety EIGHT i
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: should send, you but he.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: Did have the whole. SPEECH i appreciate. That frill to
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: check it.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: Out, yeah you should check it. Out it was good
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: AND i think he takes like you, know he jokingly
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: maybe he took a little bit of credit for getting
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: you to the, combine which was obviously not, him but
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: where he gave the same a similar speech about the
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: combine and talk that into. Existence so maybe he's going
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: to talk this into existence for you as. Well when
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: will the offense hit it? Stride it's a good. Question
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: there's some elements to, it like When's dig's, Healthy LIKE
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: i think that's a big. Question you, know if that's
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: not until midway through the, season then you know you
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: don't really see the whole offense at its full. CAPACITY
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: i think a lot of people were hoping that we
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: were going to come into this season and even On may,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: twentieth we were going to immediately be talking about a
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: year or two leap From drake may, right that it
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: was going to be, immediate that he was going to
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: come in more, confident he was going to come in,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: better and it was just gonna, be you, know flip
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: the switch and we're hit the ground. Running this might
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: be like a two step you, know one step back
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: to go two steps forward situation because of the coaching,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: change and so it could take a little bit more.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: Time but with that being, SAID i still feel like
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: by midway through training camp he will it will click
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: just like it did for him last. Year LIKE i
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: think we're gonna be on a similar. Trajectory now he's
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: going to start week, One he's not gonna start week. Five,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: like we're not gonna have that whole. Thing BUT i
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: think that there's gonna be a similar timeline or path
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: here just because of THE oc change its second year
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: quarterback to change. Coordinators so obviously there's gonna be a
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: little bit of an adjustment or a learning. Curve BUT
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: i won't start worrying about it until we're probably through
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: Those minnesota joint practices and it's still not.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: Clicked let's, say once you get to the, preseason that's
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: where that's where it gets a little more, Worrisome, yeah
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: because that's when you start like the competitive portion and
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: preparing really preparing for you, know you're always preparing for the,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: season but like really preparing for like The Raider raiders
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: and stuff like. That All, Right randy is In. Providence what's?
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: Up?
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: Randy here goes how's it?
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 9: Going?
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: Hey?
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: Good, so like The ota takeaways, yesterday LIKE i, Thought morgan,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: moses that guy has got to be the best value
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: signing of the off, season.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: Maybe in the WHOLE.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: Nfl right the way he's kind of taken on that
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: mentoring role and embraced it so, Much like he was
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: even talking about giving Key On white tips that guy
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: and having the locker right next To Will. Campbell just
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: these small things that ARE i really think is going.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: To help a.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: Lot and he kind of like looks almost like an
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: older player that's work like working on transitioning to a
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: coaching career after his. Career MAYBE i don't, know but
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: what do you guys think about, that like his? Future
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: do you.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 6: Think he'll be a go in the.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: Future and then just question number two was about the
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: fortune in foxboroughs heer as it came out they were
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: talking about Like rabel was talking To bryant after they drafted, him,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: saying you, know derely impressed everybody when you came, here et.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: Cetera AND i was, thinking there's a lot of guys
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: that did top thirty visits here that they ended up.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: Drafting do you guys think that's a trend that continues
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: next year or do you think because a lot of
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: teams the top thirty, visits they use them, differently you
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: know WHAT i, Mean like some of the teams use
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: them as a. Distraction some of the teams specifically don't
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: bring in the guys they want to. Draft do you
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: think this is kind of indicative of how this front
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: office and team was going to operate throughout this.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: Regime, yeah it's a good, Question. RANDY i. DO i
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: believe that there's going to be a lot of stock
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: put into this Because Mike rabel is one of those
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: types of, guys at least from What i've, observed that
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: wants to sit across the table from somebody and try
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: to look inside a guy's head and really kind of
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: get to know the. Guy not only, that but, also you,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: know go put the pads on and actually you, know
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: feel guys like he likes to, say on the offensive
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: and defensive. Line they were setting it up really.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: WELL i Know verrabel said he never wants to getting,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: out so maybe that's all. Right THOUGHT i thought we
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: were going to see the. CLIP i thought they were
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: setting it up to play the clip Of Will campbell
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: Hitting Mike. Rabel But rabel seems serious about.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: IT i get.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: It he seems. Serious that clip is in the.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: Vault SO i definitely feel like whether it's thirty, visits
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: we don't necessarily learn as much about private workouts pre,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: draft like The Will campbell workout as a private workout
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: we didn't know about until after the. Draft but those
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: types of things are going to mean something was going
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: to hold more weight BECAUSE i think he's that kind of.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: Cat Like rabel wants to get get to know the.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: Guy he wants to be across the table from you
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: to study, you put you on the. Spot and that's
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: another thing that you hear a lot about with, him
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: that he wants to make you, uncomfortable like he doesn't
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: know a lot of teams bring guys in to make
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: them comfortable and get to know them like as. People
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: rabel almost wants to test, you like he wants to
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: make you uncomfortable and see how you react to.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: That SO i was watching this old. CLIP i don't
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  Speaker 4: Gruden, yeah and there's this this.
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  Speaker 1: Thing With John lynch who was, like, Yeah Tony duney
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  Speaker 1: would come out and tell, you all, right let's have
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: a good. Day, Yeah Like ingruden would come out and
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  Speaker 1: through your.
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  Speaker 2: Ear there's nothing you could do.
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  Speaker 1: About, it like before practice and it's, like what the,
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  Speaker 1: Heck it's like a wake up. Call, Yeah AND i
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  Speaker 1: do think there's some of that With rabel where it's
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  Speaker 1: like that's kind of and it's not just about the thirty,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: visits just kind of his. Tone it's like he's encouraging
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  Speaker 1: you at the same time he's kind of calling you.
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  Speaker 1: Out so, YEAH i, REMEMBER i believe it. WAS i
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  Speaker 1: don't remember who wrote.
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  Speaker 2: It it was on The. Ringer i'll get the name
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  Speaker 2: in a. Second he wrote a piece On rabel going
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  Speaker 2: behind the scenes In. TENNESSEE i think it's like the
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two or twenty twenty three, season right After
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: rabel One coach of The, year and he had his
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: story About Ben jones the. Center there is a longtime
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  Speaker 2: center for The titan Where rabel is an early, riser wakes,
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  Speaker 2: up you, know four or five o'clock in the. Morning
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  Speaker 2: sometimes he would wake up and he would Text Ben
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  Speaker 2: jones and he's already done like some insane peloton, ride
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  Speaker 2: right like, You i've already biked ten miles. Today what
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  Speaker 2: have you? Done you know that sort of, Thing And
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: Ben jones, said every single morning you'd get a text
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: From Mike rabel motivating him to go work, out, go you,
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  Speaker 2: know get his day started and all that kind of.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: Stuff that's just the type of guy that he. Is all,
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  Speaker 2: right let's go To pat In PA's panky news hang
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  Speaker 2: on that you were gonna. Live let's Take pat first
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  Speaker 2: and then we'll go do. It go, Ahead, pat hey.
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  Speaker 5: Boy two quick.
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  Speaker 9: Things, one why is the viy In Venerian low still
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  Speaker 9: an insurance sales and plane dress up as let's.
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  Speaker 8: Tackle and the second.
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  Speaker 6: Watched what are your?
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  Speaker 9: Thoughts let me?
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Thanks. Pat so it is not so much with
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: A Venerian. LOW I i you, know, THOUGH i this
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  Speaker 2: time of, year you're gonna have like sixteen offensive linemen
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: on the, roster so there's gonna be a lot of.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: Guys it is interesting to me just getting out there
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: the holdovers, right especially on, Defense Tavay Anthony. Jennings you,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: know the two Safeties dugger And, peppers But jennings And.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: TAVAYA i really do find fascinating in particular because they
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: definitely fit A belichick, defense like they're you, Know jennings
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: is a three to four edgesetter through and through like
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: that's what he does.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: Well it's an early down edge. Cetter you, Know tavai
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: is A, belichick a fixer hybrid. Linebacker you know that
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: those guys fit the old. System they fit the old.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: Defense it is interesting to me that those guys are still.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: Around not BECAUSE i don't think that they can, play
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: LIKE i think both those guys are solid football players
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: when used, correctly but it DOES i don't know exactly
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: where they fit into the, puzzle you, know where they
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: kind of cut some of the guys that didn't fit the,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: puzzle you, know So i'm interested to see what. HAPPENS
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  Speaker 1: i don't know what he was talking about with the other.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: THING i, think, like did he start it was one
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  Speaker 2: i don't do THE tv shows as much AS i.
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  Speaker 2: watched The Obi Wan kenobi one that was like kind
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  Speaker 2: of like a short, right it wasn't like a full
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  Speaker 2: on show where there's multiple. Seasons i've watched season one
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  Speaker 2: Of MANDALORIAN i. DIDN'T i haven't watched the more recent. Ones,
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  Speaker 2: yeah not not so. Much but what did you want
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  Speaker 2: to tell?
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 6: Me?
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: Uh the they announced this Year's Hard knocks. Team, yeah
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: The Buffalo. Bills that makes a lot of. Sense that
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: doesn't make it's THE mvp of the.
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  Speaker 2: LEAGUE i thought you don't do it if you were
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: in the playoffs last. Year, Though, no you. Can't it's
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  Speaker 2: you might be able to opt. OUT i don't. KNOW
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  Speaker 2: i don't remember the. Rules the rules are escaping. ME i.
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  Speaker 1: Do you can do it when you're in the, playoffs
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  Speaker 1: but it's when you embarrass yourself in the playoffs is
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: one you can?
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: Do there we. GO i do know that you. Can,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: uh if you switch, coaches, right you're you're automatically. Out
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: so that's why you know The patriots couldn't be. It but,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: yeah that's interesting one that They're they're an exciting. Team
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: people like The. BILLS i know you don't like The.
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  Speaker 2: Bills you don't understand. IT i thought you, KNOW i understand,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: it and that's WHY i don't like. YOU i thought
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: you were going to tell me something, different and you
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  Speaker 2: can segue into the the in. Season uh is going
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: to be THE Nfc, east by the, Way so maybe
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: More Joe shane On Hard. Knocks That's Jerry Jones specials
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: what that. Is, Yeah so a couple of things from
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: the league meetings this week that we wanted to talk.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: About i'll get to your your toush push take in a,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: second but this is one that just came across THAT
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: i absolutely. LOVE i think this is awesome and long
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: overdue to give the big boys up front some. Love,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: so according To Troy, vincent THE nfl Executive Troy, vincent
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  Speaker 2: they have a new award that they're going to give
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: away at the end of the. Season with THE mvp
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  Speaker 2: and all the other, awards this is going to go
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: to the best offensive lineman in the. League they're gonna
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: call It protector of The. Year it's the best offensive
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  Speaker 2: lineman in THE. NFL i love. THIS i think this
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: is long. Overdue no offensive lineman's ever gonna Win rookie
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  Speaker 2: of The year OR mvp Or Offensive player of The.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: Year it's just not gonna. Happen they're never gonna get that.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: Award you, Know Pass rusher could get that. Award Aaron
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: donald has won like a Million Defensive player of the.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: Years like it's possible for defensive line players to get,
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  Speaker 2: awards and it's never possible for an offensive lineman to
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  Speaker 2: get an award like this other than you, Know All
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  Speaker 2: pro Or Pro. BOWL i absolutely love. IT i think
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  Speaker 2: this is. Awesome you, KNOW i don't know who it's named,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: after if it, is but they deserve. Protector it's Called
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  Speaker 2: protector of The. Year, YEAH i don't know if it's
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: LIKE i don't, Know Thomas trophy or something like.
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  Speaker 1: That, baseball like for relievers was the Delivery man of
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  Speaker 1: The year for a, While SO i like.
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  Speaker 2: That it's kind of creative like. THAT i love. THIS
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  Speaker 2: i think that it's long overdue that they get some.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: RECOGNITION i think you could make a strong case every
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: single year that there's certain linemen that are the most valuable.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: Players you are the. Best you. Know last Year rookie
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  Speaker 2: of The year obviously goes To Jaden daniels in a,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: runaway as it should, have but, like there is a
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: really good case to be made that Besides, Daniels Joe
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: alt was the best rookie in the ENTIRE, nfl but
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: he was never gonna win that, Award and If daniels didn't.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: Exist it was going to go to Like Molik neighbors
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: or something like. That so the lineman gets some, love
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: AND i think that that's.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: Awesome well maybe and maybe there's a rookie version of
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: this to come down the road.
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  Speaker 2: TOO i do like.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: It the next, step and this is either side of the,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: ball offense or. Defense we got to get a linement
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: on the cover Of. Madden Joe THOMAS i thought was
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: a good. SHOT Jj watt would have been. Great obviously
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: too late, There Pina, seul especially if The lions make
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: like another run pin A SEOUL i think could be
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: a cover. Athlete Miles garrett on the defensive line could
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: be a cover, athlete, RIGHT.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: I would think they Missed, Bodan Aaron donald or.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: Whatever but like we are, due and Sometimes madden will
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: line up the cover with like innovations to the, game
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: and they're the cycle in which they tweak things they're
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: a little overdue, to like tweak their offensive defensive line.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: Logic so it's perfect you tweak, that put a lignment
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: on the. Cover that's next. Step this is.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: Good next, Step let's get a lignman on the cover
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: of Mad this is. Awesome LIKE i keep, SAYING i
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: think that the linemen are so, underrated and we've seen
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: it here for the last couple of. Years when you
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: have a bad offensive, line it just rerecks your entire.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: Offense AND i get it's a five man unit and
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: it's not about one guy, Necessarily but when you have
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: A Trent, williams A Penny swl you, know when A Jarred,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: malada when you have a player like that that anchors
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: your offensive line the way that it just makes your
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: offense run both smoothly but also how much more dynamic
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: your offense can. Be, like think about all the different
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: things that The lions can do schematically in the run
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: game because they Have Penny, sewel like all the different
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: polls and all the different leads and all the different second,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: levels and all the things that he can do in,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: space and that unlocks like a whole dimension of their
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: run game that other teams just simply can't.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: Test so that brings us to the logical, Question, yeah
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: who who's your pick inaugural Winner protector of The Ear?
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: Award IF i had to vote on guys last, Year,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: no who do you think is going to win it this?
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: Year so here's my here's my two cents on. That,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: okay the one concern THAT i. Have, yeah no offense
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: to anybody in THE. Ap if this is just gonna
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: be off OF, pff his highest graded offensive, lineman then
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: we need to do, better, RIGHT i, Agree, yeah you
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: have to find. It let's not this is.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: Weird we're talking about a position like, this disposition getting
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: this award because they're always.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: Overlooked, yeah which is.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: True but now we have to say within, that let's
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: not just make this a tackle. Award, yeah BECAUSE i
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: feel like it could become that MAYBE i don't, know
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: If Joe toney's just passed that. Window Like Joe, toney
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: if they instituted, This Joe tuoney would have won three
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: or four of these are like Prime Zach martin would have.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: Won About Quentin.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: Nelson so let's make sure this isn't just a tackle, award.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: Not just a tackle. Award AND i, AGAIN i wonder
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: if there's a way that maybe there can be a
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: committee that can at least. Advise did they say is
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: it AN ap award or it says it's an end
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: of season? Award So i'd assume that that means that
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: it's AN ap, award just LIKE Mvp rookie of The,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: year so on and so. Forth but it's going to
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: be presented AT nfl. Honors like that's that's the way it.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: Sounds so it doesn't necessarily need to be. That it
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: goes to like a subcommittee that votes on the, award
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: just within the. Committee but maybe can we have Like
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: Andrew whitworth and Like Dante scarnekia like just like advise the,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: voters like just like maybe like puts out some, pitches
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: right and be, like this is why this guy deserves
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: it or whatever the case.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: Makes what a lot of these awards Are and this
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: is something SO i talked about this another show for
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: The Patriots hall Of, fame, right if they ever want
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: to move away from the full fan.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: Vote, yeah and with.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: This you would need to win eight a few years
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: to institute this or maybe find a way to backdoor.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 5: It.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: In, sure there are some awards where either a portion
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: of the voting or all the voting is living former. Winners,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: yeah so maybe you take all THE ap linemen from
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: the last ten, years right who want to be a
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: part of, it that's who, votes and then over time
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: that turns into just the previous winners vote, Right maybe
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: that's the way you do.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: It, so IF i had to, GUESS i think there's
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: two guys that are front runners right now for the
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: award next. Year that was your original. Question Tristan WARF's
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: definitely has a very good chance to win this. Award
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: and then you, know those two GUYS i think right
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: now are the two best tackles in football making a tackle? Award,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: yeah AND i am making an.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: ATTACK i don't know that there's any guards right now
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: that are who's the best garden football? Right it's probably Still, tony,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: RIGHT i don't know To tuney Is so the ap
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: guards last year Were Tony, Miners lindstrom And.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: Nelson, Yeah, Lins trim's really good, Streight, yeah but they're
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: not on. THAT i don't know if they're on like
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: A Zach martin. Level, YEAH i.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: Know as much AS i said that this probably isn't
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: landon uh is, Land dickerson a, Center, yes he got
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: guard guard vote. Apparently, yeah as much AS i said
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: that this shouldn't be a tackle award this, year it's
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: probably skewy SO i would say wharfs and uh and
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: so we'll have the best, chance outside chance maybe Like Jordan,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: mylatta you, know just because The eagles offensive line is
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: probably gonna dominate.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: Again SO I Landon dickerson might have played, guard didn't
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: That jurgens play? Center that's? Right yeah About Creede, humphrey good,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: player good football.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: Player some of THIS i wonder if it's going to
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: come down, to like you have to be on a good.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: Line, yeah.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: Well SO i what they should do is have AN
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: nfl version of The Joe Moore, award.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: Which i'd be all for.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: That so The Joe More award in college, football it's
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: a collective. Award players individually can call Themselves Joe Morrow
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: Joe Moore award, winners but it is awarded to the
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: best offensive line collectively in the country every, year and
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: it's basically A Big ten. Award it's Usually, michigan But
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: elis who's won a COUPLE, Ls who's won a Couple
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: washington won one. RECENTLY i think they should have AN
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: Nfl Joe Moore award that goes to the best offensive.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: Line that would be cool. Too, okay So protector of
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: The year next, year but probably. WHARFS i think one
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: of those GUYS.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: I do hope we get a garter tackle, early to
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: establish the garter center, early to establish the fact that
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: it's not a.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: Tackle not next. Year it's gonna take a couple of.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: Years is there a chance That Will campbell ever wins.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: This fourth overall? Pick you wanted to be in the,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: mix be in the. Mix you wanted to be in
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: there and win. It at two win a? Guard would
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: they move? THEM i think he should be in the
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: mix at.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: He's the best offensive line because.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: There will be still be people bemoaning that they took
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: him fourth.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: Overall, yeah, yeah, okay well you can bemoan that on
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: your own. Time all, right let's let's go back to
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: the phones. Here todd is in mass that says that
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: it's Up.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: Todd, hey It's North.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 6: Carolina, todd AND i about The John Hannah ward for you,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 6: know the laughing guys that historically there's a guy that's better.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: Than Hannah John hannah got. It, yeah that's, bad not
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: bad like.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: That that hammer's home the fact it's not just for.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: Tackles there you.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: Go, yeah, honestly sorry to cut. Off should should be
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: the car next for you? Guys if we're named after a, Patriot,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: no offense To John.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: Hannah go, ahead go, Ahead.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 6: Todd all, Right So i'm looking at this season and
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 6: listening to you, guys and you guys have more positive
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 6: points than negative. Points it's like, this if this, happens
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 6: this will be good compared to other. Years here's my,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 6: question And i'll give you my answer. Quick if they
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 6: get over five, hundred it's because in my, case it's
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 6: coaching lifted everybody. Up if they're under five, hundred it's
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 6: because the old line just didn't make. It so that's
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 6: my question for you, too BECAUSE i think you guys
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 6: got some pretty good insights on, that even just In.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: Ota, yeah thanks for the. Call. TODD i would, SAY
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: i know it's over, simplistic, probably but maybe it's just
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: recent recency creeping in because of. Yesterday like this whole
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: thing starts and ends With Drake. May If Drake may
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: takes the next step and has that year two leap
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: and goes to being you, know it becomes A i
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: don't want to put a number on, it but becomes
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: a real franchise. Guy because let's face, IT i think
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: it's premature to say That Drake may is a franchise.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: QUARTERBACK i Think Drake may has franchise. POTENTIAL i think
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: it's the all of the potential and talent in the
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: world to get. There BUT i think it's a little
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: premature to say that he is right. Now If Drake
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: may takes that next step and he becomes a true
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: franchise guy in year, two they will be in above
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: five hundred. Team they'll probably make the. Playoffs, yeah if he,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: doesn't then they're probably going to fall below, expectation like
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: that's just the nature of The.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: BEAST a lot of this optimism banks on the idea
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: That Drake may takes the year two, Leap like the
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: double digit win projection in large part banks on the
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: idea That Drake may is going to be better than
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: he was last.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: Year AND i get. It you, know they word what
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: ten and seven max rookie year with average quarterback, Play
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: so there is a path with an easier, schedule there's
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: a path that they could still be a nine or
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: ten win, team you, know just based off of better
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: coaching and not beating, themselves an average quarterback play and
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: all that kind of. Stuff SO i understand that there's
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: another side to that. Argument but in order to truly
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: hit their, ceiling and you, know friends of our program
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: and friends of ours, have you, know maybe projected something
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: like thirteen wins in some cases in order to hit
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: those types of, ceilings like they they're going to need
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: the quarterback to get them. There SO i hate to
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: put it all on, him but it kind of a.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: Position it is all on.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: Him, yeah, absolutely all, Right nate is In. Chicago it's, Up. Nate,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: hey what's, up?
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 8: Guys how you doing?
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: Good what you Got i've got just two.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 8: Fun questions for. YOU i wouldn't take them too, seriously.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 9: But, UH i was, wondering what do you Think Christian
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 9: gonzalez's floor and ceiling would be as a wide? Receiver
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 9: and Then i've got a hut up For Kyle. Williams
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 9: what DO i think About Calvin ridley as a Com Kyle.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 9: Williams i'll take it, off, guys appreciate.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: You, thanks thanks for the.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: Neighborhood, YEAH i don't Mind Calvin. Ridley, yeah that's that's
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: not a bad. ONE a morphinesse.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: RECEIVER I Christian gonzales played, RECEIVER i believe in high.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: SCHOOL i think he. Was some teams recruited him as. Wide, yeah,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: no he definitely played has played receiver in his football.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: JOURNEY i THINK i don't think it was in, college
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: BUT i believe it was high.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: School, no BUT i think some teams sometimes those guys
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: will like some some teams will recruit you as a.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: Corner some teams will recruit you as a wide. Receiver
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: he was a better, corner BUT i think some teams
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: want him to play.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: Receiver, uh what's? THIS i don't. Know i've never seen
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: him play wide. Receiver SO i mean he's a great.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: Mover i'm. Sure i'm sure he could be a good.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: Recet like if he had to go out and play
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: receiver tomorrow in AN nfl game with no, WORK i don't,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: know it would probably be so so if you if
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: he actually worked at, it like he has all the
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: natural skills you.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: Need, Yeah i've seen him in practic. This i've seen
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: them make some one handed catches playing faux, receiver like
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: when they do like the the drills where they put
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: a guy against the guy and like you, know the
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: corners play a little receiver to give him a. Look
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: I've i've seen him make some cool catches doing. That
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: SO i bet you he could play receiver pretty. Well
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: it would obviously take, time but it is A it
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: is an interesting question given what's going on In jacksonville
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: With Travis hunter right, now so it would be cool
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: to see some of these guys try. It jordan is In.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: Ohio what's, Up? Jordan two?
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: Questions number, one how would you guys feel about The
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 5: pats either The Samuel. Jr and then, secondly how much
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 5: do you guys make of it on the offensive line
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 5: be in a City sell at right tackle And Cole
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 5: strings plugged in at the starting left.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 8: Guard right?
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 5: Now thanks all.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: Taking off their Thanks. Jordan, yeah we talked a little
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: bit about the offensive line earlier in the. SHOW i
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: can understand Why Cole strange would sort of be giving
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: the getting the. Opportunities, well we'll see with. YOU i
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: we brought up brought Up, city so a couple of times.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: Lighton robinson's not quite as, big but he's still more
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: of like a, power physical downhill. Blocker if they're gonna
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: do this type of stuff that they've done in the
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: past with, McDaniels I i do feel like that fits
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: more in their. TYPE i guess at left guard they
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: have been a little bit more athletic in the. Past
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: with you, Know toney obviously being the biggest, one but
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: it's it'll be interesting to see what they do there
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: in terms of left. Guard but what was the other
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: question the? END i don't.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 4: Know he was good, TOO i don't. Remember could we
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 4: like run that?
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: BACK i don't remember. Either it's all, right maybe it'll
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: come to. Me kevin is In. Massachusetts what's, Up? Kevin? Oh,
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah Samuel. Jr, yeah let's Take kevin's call first and
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: we'll get me back to. That what's, Up? Kevin that's.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 8: Going i'm a huge fan of the.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 7: Podcast my question, is, so with all these Moves patriots
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 7: have made in the past, offseason what.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 8: Do you think they need to do become a now
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 8: a contender from the fringe?
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: Playoffs thanks for the, call kevinixs uh and thanks for.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: LISTENING i would, say what what do they have to?
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: Do so like is this like looking at like what
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: do they have to be better? At or like what
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: do they need to add to the? Roster they need
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: to be better? At managing turnover both? Sides, yeah they
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: turn the ball over less on, offense create more turnovers on. Defense,
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: yeah and be better. Situationally those are the two big
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: adjustments they have to make roster. Wise, uh you, know
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: to look ahead to next, offseason you're gonna need to
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: get another tackle in the. Pipeline they still probably need
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: an true number of.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: APES i think.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: Number, one uh coverage dictating, receiver coverage dictating pass.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: Rushers. YEAH i think what you hope, is you, know
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: just from The Big pictures, standpoint is that you do
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: go nine to, eight ten and seven this Year Drake
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: may takes that leap and you're maybe a wild card
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: playoff team and you're you have some momentum and now
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: way there a Dk metcalf wants to come. HERE i
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: know he's you, know In pittsburgh, now But i'm, saying
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: like your more desirable destination.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 4: To kar mclaurin's not practicing In washington.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: To come and add that cherry on top To Kyle
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: williams and maybe to another year Of Stefan diggs and you,
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: know and you keep on building that receiver room a little.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: BIT i still feel like there's places on the roster
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: where their depth could still needs to be in. Reinforce
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: LIKE i feel like right now they have a really
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: solid like all twenty two right like they have like
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: a really solid starting frontline and starting you, know.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah there's always you can always improve the.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: Depth if you look at how ridiculously deep The eagles, were,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: like that's and they don't need to be that right.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: Away that's what you're competing. With, yeah that's what a
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: super and we saw that. Here how many times did
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: they have guys here that played a rotational role at
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: best went elsewhere and we're, like really solid players. Elsewhere
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: that's what a championship team. Is it's not just about twenty,
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: two it's about the fifty.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: Three SO i look at tackle left tackle in particularly no,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: disrespect but If Will campbell were to miss, time or
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: If Will campbell has to kick inside or whatever like,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: that you're one step away From Vederian lowe being back
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: on the field right like. That they could probably do,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: better you, know in the long run, There edge, RUSHER
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: i still feel like you're maybe missing like a true
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: factor edge, rusher like a guy that can be a
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: three down, player you, know A Matthew judon type of
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: player that can do.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: That their pass rush kind of reminds me their wide receiver.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: Room they've got a bunch of, solid complimentary, players but
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: who's the guy that's taken all the Attention.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: Love gonzales And Carlton davis on the. Outside you, know
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: with someone asked us about A Santa samuel junior Like nickel,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: corner is that a spot that they could maybe elevate
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: moving forward To Santa Samuel. JR i feel like it
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: is mostly a slot Like nickel type. CORNER i don't
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: know if he's the, ANSWER i probably would say, no
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: but just in, general like Is marcus owns a guy
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: that can truly stay healthy playing seventy eighty percent of
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: the snaps in that.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 4: Role and he's in a contract, here so is he even.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: Right part of The? Yeah so that's that's another spot
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: THAT i look at on the. Roster. NOW i still
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: am interested to see their run defense up the middle
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: of the. Field, defensively now they're gonna want to be more.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: Aggressive they're going to try to get up the field
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: more and maybe that mitigates some of. It but right,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: now your best run stuffing defensive tackle is is Kiris? Tonga,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: again no, disrespect but is that good? Enough? Like is that?
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: Right you, know when it's The jaguars In london last
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: year when they ran the ball nineteen straight times right
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: down your. Throat is this front going to be able
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: to stop that from. HAPPENING i think they're in better
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: shape to do. That but interior, wise and maybe this
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: is just my brain going back To belichick and Like
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: vince Will fork and you, know having like that true nose,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: tackle it does feel like a little they're a little
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: soft in the middle still at. Times, Yeah so we'll
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: see what happens in those. Spots those are the spots
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: of the roster THAT i look at, now AND i
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: think the good thing about what they've done is it's
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: kind of like what The lions, did where The lions
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: had that draft and everybody poo pooed at the time
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: that ended up being a pretty good. Draft and it
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: Was Jamier, gibbs it Was Jack, campbell it Was Brian.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: Branch the reason why those that draft got pa pooed
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: was because they were drafting non premium. Positions but WHAT
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: i think what people missed at the Time sam La
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: porter was in, there was that they already had the premium,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: positions and they already Had Penny, sewol they already had a,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: Quarterback they already had receivers that they had drafted or
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: high on you year before.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: They Drafted Aiden, hutchinson The Chanson williams the year before,
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: That pinney Seool am And Ross Saint brown and On
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: zeri cause they had pass rusher.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: There so if we assumed that all of the moves
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: The patriots have been and this will not be the.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: Case but if we assume that all The patriots moves
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: that they, made at least the high level ones work
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: and work, out then you go into next year and
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: you don't the issue with needing all those premium. Positions
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: and it's hard to find premium talent at left, tackle,
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: quarterback wide, receiver you, know those pass rusher like these
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: are what everybody's looking. For so you're not going to
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: find that in the third. Round it's just not going to.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: Happen so now if you are looking at non premium
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: positions and it's adding a run stuffing defensive, lineman and
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: it's adding a slot, corner and it's adding you, know
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: a linebacker play you know, depth and it's a third
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: tackle that it's a little bit better than what you,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: have like those are easier to. Find maybe you can
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: go about it that. Way all, RIGHT a couple of
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: the emails here and THEN i want to get to
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: Your Touch push take BECAUSE i know you're fired up
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: about that. Earlier, actually give me Your Touch push take.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: Now So Touch push officially not. Banned it's sticking.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: Around they are two votes short of banning. It it
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: was like twenty two to ten and he twenty. Four
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: they did not get the. Votes The patriots reportedly voted
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: against banning The Toush. Push they voted to keep.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: It they wanted to keep The touch pake in side,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: history which we Knew Mike rabel had said publicly he
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: was in support of keeping The Touch, Push so it's
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: not much of a.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: Surprise exact or not his exact, quote but his the
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: summation of his exact quote, was it's hard to Stop
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: Lamar jackson when he.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: Scrambled should?
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: He?
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: Should he not be allowed to do that. Either so
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: you were happy about?
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: This, Yeah i'm very happy about it because it's a
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: it's a Real the THING i hate about people complaining
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: about the. Touchbush so all, right let me start. Here
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: you don't like it because you can't stop. It there's
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: a very easy, one not very, easy but there's a
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: way to stop the Touch. Push don't let The eagles
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: get to third and, one don't let him get down
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: to the one yard.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: Line, like that's how you stop. IT i, know but that's,
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: easier said, then but that's how you stop it if
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: they're a good football. Team so.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: Like and then the other thing people say, is, well
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: so some people say there's injury. Concerns all the data
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: suggests that there's no injury. Problems is a lower injury
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: rate than the average.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: Place so throw that one out the.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: Window and then there's the it's not a real football,
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: play AND i as soon AS i tweed it, OUT
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: i was glad that it's.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: Staying people, like, oh, great more.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: Rugby you might want to look up the history of
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: the sport and where it has its.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 4: Roots this is Very Bill belichick because it has.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: Its roots in part and rugby back.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: As much a real football play as anything you're gonna
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: yell at.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: Me the forward pass was not legal for.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: Years if we want to talk about what Is don,
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: Corriel if we want to talk About Don coriole's big.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: Time forward pass, guy that's a weird.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: Take if we want to talk about what is actually
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: at the core of the, sport what is actually in
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: the history that that play you have to steal here
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: and the seal here and we're into the.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: Alley that's That's Vince. LOMBARDY i Know i'm, saying this
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: is what you. Want this is real. Football it.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: Is it is a Real it is as much the
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: essence of the game as there. Is and that doesn't
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: mean you can't throw the ball like there's room for
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: all of.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: It but there's room for all of.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: It you don't want it to, happen don't let him
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: get to and short situations or be smart like The
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: Tampa Bay buccaneers and signed four hundred sixty four Pounds
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: Desmond watson.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 4: As an undrafted free not going to make an. Impact
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 4: that's how he will against touch.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: PUSH i mean played. It you even make a point
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: of an impact against the, touchbull the two of.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: Them it's it's it's a real football. Play it's what
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: the game is at its. Core it's not any more.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: Dangerous it's not a gimmick like some people like to
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: say it is It just if it was that, easy
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: every team would do. It why doesn't every team run
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: the touch push year in and year out when they
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: get in a? Third one lot of teams, do and
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: the teams do The bills failed miserably. OUT i saw
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: The patriots try to do it last. Year they couldn't do. It,
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: yeah not everybody can do. It it's not like so
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: it's not some broken rule gimmick that you can. Exploit
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: it's The eagles built a team that can capitalize on
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: this one thing and they do.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: It good for. Them it's the same WAY i.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: Feel now this guy, tabled, thankfully but it's kind of
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: the same WAY i felt about That lion's rule proposal
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: to not see the playoffs by.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: Division all, right let's get to that in a. Second
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: BECAUSE i haven't played touch. Push, okay go, Ahead So
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: i'm actually this might surprise. You, YEAH i was not
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: for banning the touch. Push i'm glad it's stay for two. Reasons,
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: ONE i feel as though as A patriots, fan it
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: would be hypocritical for me to now, say, no The
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: eagles are too good at, this so we're Gonna i'm
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: in favor of banning. It the pain we went through
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: this with The, patriots With Bill pollion and The, colts
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: and you, know legal Con man DOWN i legal, contact
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: and the reasons how many rules were written out of
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: the league because The patriots were exploiting the rule and
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: everybody else caught up in arms if The patriots were exploiting, it.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: Even though if it was so easy to, exploit why
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: isn't everybody else doing? It you want to change the,
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: rules change.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: THEM i can't sit here and good, Conscience alex and
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: say ban the toush. Push when this was everybody was
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: up in arms and they would do this to The.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: Patriots So i'm glad for The. Eagles that.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: Good you want to beat the good, teams get, better
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: don't ask the league to stop them for.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: You the other reason WHY i was for keeping it
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: is THAT i think that The eagles would have just
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: been sneaking it just as well as they would be
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: without the. Push like if you ban the, push push
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: so they couldn't push from. Behind, YEAH i still think
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: The eagles would be like ninety five percent successful on quarterback,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: sneats like they would be still be awesome at, it
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: because the key to the play is that they have
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: a ridiculously good offensive line and they have a quarterback
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: that can squat like six hundred, pounds, right And Jalen
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: hurts is just a, beast and he's great at burrowing
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: just Like brady, was but he's also just strong and
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: just a. Beast he can drive That piet, Right SO
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: i don't think that teams are gonna be any more
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: successful at stopping The like maybe it would have shaved
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: a percentage or two, off, right BUT i don't think
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: it would have been that. Substantial so to, me this
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: was all just sour graves from all angles because all
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: they were gonna do was not push him from, behind
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: and he was still going to get the first, down,
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: Right and so then what are you gonna complain about
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: banned the? Sneak like you, know.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: There were people saying that that should be the next.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: Step it is because it's non exciting. Play it is
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: a travesty that they almost allowed all of The eagles
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: competitors to just write a play that they have found
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: to be very successful out because they all can't stop.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: It like that's. Pathetic Like i'm.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: Sorry if there's any play that should be written, out
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: it's That Miami dolphins cheap motion because it actually is. Illegal,
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: yeah but that's another. Story but to your, point and
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: IF i can transition out of the other, one like
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: you don't want the tush push to be, there get
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: better stop, it get, creative figure out a way to stop,
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: it get better.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 4: Players same thing with the divisional. One that Was Sour grape's.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: Too The lions or whoever it was that put it
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: out there like they lost a potential home playoff game
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: and be.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 4: Better win your Division like that's it's that.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: Simple so was The, vikings? Right so The lions are
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: the ones that proposed the. Rule, Yeah and The lions
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: and The vikings both finished with great. RECORDS i can't
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: remember off the top of my. Head both won like thirteen.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: Games The lions won the, division, right The lions won
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: that last game of the year and They so why
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: did they propose it then if they got the home
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: BECAUSE i think that they just probably felt. BAD i don't,
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: Know it's definitely not. It so The lions won the
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: division but FINISHED i, believe with the same record as The,
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: vikings but won the tiebreaker because of the head to
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: head and they ended up winning the. Division so The
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: vikings ended up being the highest wildcard, seed so they
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: were the five, seed which means that it meant that
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: they had to go on the road on wild card
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: weekend for the first round of the, playoffs even though
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: they had a better record than the team that they
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: were playing against at. Home so that's the way why
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: the rule was. Proposed you made a good point before
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: we got on the air about, it BECAUSE i was
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: thinking about this AND i was, like, well you still
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: make the playoffs for winning the, division, right.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: So you can still Go so it was still gonna be,
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: yeah but like if a team got in at seven and,
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: nine they would be the seventh seed instead of the
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: right right eight and.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: Nine, yeah, yeah so that was WHAT i was gonna,
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: Say like if you were eight and, nine like a
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: couple of years, ago that, happened, right there was a
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: division where the DIVISION i was every few.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: Years, yeah the most famous one is That seahawks team
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: that got, in and then that was The Marshawn Lynch pismo.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: Run, Right so you could still get in at eight
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: and nine and win the division and you would get
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: an automatic bid into the, playoffs but you would be
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: the seventh seed in the. Playoffs you would not be
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: the fourth seed in the. Playoffs THAT i could understand.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: Now you made. It brought up a good point, though
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: those for the division end of season games like The
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: vikings and The lions last, year those would be obsolete
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: because both teams were already making the.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: PLAYOFFS i don't understand. This everybody says it makes the
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: games late in the season more. Important it. Doesn't it
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: makes them less. Important if two teams are playing to
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: get a playoff, spot they're playing to get a playoff.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: Spot whereas like if you have two teams at the
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: top of the, division it's gonna be, like you, know in,
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: baseball for how many years The Red sox And yankees
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: would both have ninety something wins and it was you,
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: know they'd meet In september and they're both clearly in
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: the play at this, point.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: You, know the.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: Division it didn't mean anything to win the, Division so
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: it should mean something if you want to get.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: A home playoff because home playoff games are.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: Valuable and some people will, say, well you, know it
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: would still mean something down the. Line that's a lot
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: different if it's two teams In week, Sixteen, oh you,
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: know this is potential home field advantage on the line
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: in THE Nfc. Championship that's like a month and a
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: half from.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: NOW i don't.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: Care and, yeah we used to do that with The
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: patriots And, colts but that was, different, right and.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: It still might.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: Be if they're that, good your wildcard team you can
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: win on the. Road winning your division should. Matter it
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: creates those, rivalries it makes those games mean. More we
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: were talking about The south the, air and it was
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: a really good. Point if they were to pass something like,
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: this they would need to completely change the way they
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: do the, schedule because you don't you shouldn't be playing
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: divisional teams twice a year. Anymore it would be you
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: go to eighteen, games you play the other teams of
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: your conference once each all fifteen of, them and then
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: you rotate playing THREE nfc teams every, year three opposite
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: conference teams every, year so you play the teams in
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: the opposite conference every five years instead of every four.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: Years if, ANYTHING i, think AND i had added, THIS
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: i think they should up the stakes. Divisionally one of
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: the best formatting things THE nfl is done in a
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: long time is Making week eighteen games divisional. Games it
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: wasn't always like. That when The patriots first one The
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: Super bowl in two thousand and, one they clinched THEIR
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: i think it was a first round by. Right they
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: clinched their first round by In week seventeen by beating
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: The Carolina, Panthers yeah.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: Right which is.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: Weird SO i love the idea that it's divisional games week.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: EIGHTEEN i want to up the stakes in that you
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: play your first three divisional games Before halloween some Point September, october,
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: right and they're mixed in there. WHENEVER i wouldn't be
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: opposed to opening the season with divisional, games but they're
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: all in. There you play no divisional games until the
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: end of the, year and then the last three weeks
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: are all divisional. Games make it a sprint to the.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: FINISH i would love to see them do, that just
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: to correct myself from.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: Earlier so they The lions were fifteen to two last
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: year won THE Nfc, north The vikings were fourteen and,
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: three and it came in. Second that last game decided
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: THE Nfc, north that last regular season game That detroit.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: Won The vikings at fourteen and three as the five
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: seed then had to go on the road To Los
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: angeles to play The, rams who were ten and seven
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: as the four.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 4: Seeds why did The lions propose this?
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: NOW i think that here was two years The Vikings
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: lions game or The Vikings rams GAME i think ended
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: up happening at a neutral site right because of the.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: Fires BUT i think that's.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: Besides the point was that the game that was An
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: arizona ip, Right, yeah but that's not Here north. There
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: the point being was that The vikings had a better
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: regular season record than The, rams and The rams got
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: the home. Game that was the, point, Right and so
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: this rule proposal would have made it basically just like
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: THE nba where they just seed you one through seven
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: based on. Record but the only difference would been you
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: know that you still would have made the playoffs if
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: you won the. Division So i'm okay with them keeping
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: it this. Way like the division, RIVALRIES i think it.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: Matters like you, said it makes no. Sense the schedule
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: would make no sense, whatsoever and all of a sudden
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: they took the division out of, it it would make
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: no Sense, onceoever there's a there's a real case to
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: be made for. It now there's obviously it matters still
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: in baseball to a. Degree in hockey they have like
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: the the hockey playoffs is just the? Subconference is that?
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: Stink the whole thing just. Stinks THE nba does one through,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: EIGHT i through ten.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: In The Celtics.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 4: Division if you asked, me it's in The Celtics. DIVISION
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 4: i don't know IF i get it.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: Round, Yeah Knicks. Toronto there's one more? Team is it
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: four teams are? FIVE i think it's.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: Four so because you said Nixt, TORONTO i thought The
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: magic were about The magic sixers must Be.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 4: YEAH i, think, yeah here we are talking to selves.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: Again, no there's a QUEST nba doesn't need, divisions like
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: there's zero.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: PURPOSE i.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: THINK i think technically one team from each division has
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: to get in the, playoffs but it like never comes
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: up because only.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: Two but they used. To they used to matter in
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: THE nba like it does in THE, nfl where the
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: division winners and it made no. Sense it's like it
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: just these teams that were winning these divisions were like
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: ten wins worse than they teams below, them you, know
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: and it just didn't make any. Sense so they did
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: away with. IT i think in, football because you play
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: so few, games because the the rivalries have built up
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: in matter because it's also is like territorial to an,
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: extent like you have the border war between The patriots
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: and The, jets and like you still.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: Have also it's one, game it's not a series in the, playoffs.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: Right and then you also you, know maybe not so
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: much in THE Anfc east BECAUSE i don't think that
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: there is Quite maybe The patriots and The jets are
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: at that, level but it doesn't feel like there's quite
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: as much bad. Blood but in some other divisions there's
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: some real bad blood between these, Teams like what's IT
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: Thefc south is ridiculous they hate each. Other, YEAH i
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: was it The saints in the in the bucks of
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: The saints and The falcons because they.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 4: ALL afc AND Nfc.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: South those teams are in college football, world the college rivalry.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: FIELD i mean they, moved But Niners, raiders there's a
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: lot of hatred. There, Yeah, Hawks niners has some, good
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: good bad blood.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: There so, yeah SO i think it's cool in. Football All,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: right a couple of emails here and then we'll wrap it.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: Up so this is an email From ford In, savannah
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: WHICH i think provos is an interesting, point ALTHOUGH i you,
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: know there's one THING i have to kind of correct.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: Her so with the quarterbacks being played like they are,
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: today it seems like a quicker you pay a franchise,
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: quarterback the better the price ends up being in the long. Run,
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: Agree do you think If may proves this year that
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: there is any sense in giving him a long. Contract So,
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: drake they can't Extend Drake may until after his third
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: season in THE, Nfl so no matter, what they can't
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: extend him next. Offseason it's not until this offseason after
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: that he's eligible for a contract. Extension BUT i do
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: agree With ford's overall point that for the most, part
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: that earlier that you do, it the better the deal.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 4: Is called that The Dak prescott.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: Theory so we only have a couple of, minutes and
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: this is probably a bigger topic for, Us but Brock
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: perty just signed a five, year two hundred and sixty
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: five million dollars deal with The San francisco forty nine
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: with one hundred and eighty one million dollars. Guaranteed you
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: know HOW i feel about Brock. Party and my feeling
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: on Brock party is that he's probably over that line
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: of demarcation of pay not, pay like you probably had
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: to pay. Him BUT i don't know If Kyle shanahan
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: and the forty nine ers are ever going to get
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: over the hump with Brock party being their. Quarterback that's
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: the place you don't want to be the place where
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: the quarterback is too good to let him walk and
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: you can't start over because you're not probably gonna find,
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: better but is not good enough to win you With Super.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: Bowl that's, purgatory like that's the worst place you can
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: be with a. Quarterback but looking at Brock party's, deal
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: AND i just said earlier That Drake may is not here.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: Yet he's not a franchise. Quarterback, Dad he's gonna go
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: another ten to fifteen we're looking so it's not the
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty. Six is the twenty twenty seven offseason That
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: Drake may is eligible for an. Extension If Drake may
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: has a great twenty five and twenty six and then
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: becomes contract eligible twenty, seven you are looking at Giving
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: Drake may fifty five to sixty million dollars.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: Probably a year, well because who else is gonna sign
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: me in between now and Then.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: Burrow already signed pretty signed.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: Side so that's the nineteen, draft that's the twenty, draft
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: the twenty one, Draft Trevor laurron's already, Sign Trevor.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 4: Lawrence already, signed twenty two.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: Draft C J, Stroud, yeah C J stroud will be
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: the one that that resets it. Again and then who
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: was last? Year why CAN i think of, well last
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: N's may And Williams. Daniels oh that was the year. After,
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: yeah you're, Right, no isn't that one you're in?
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: Between?
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: Yah The Kenny. Pickett, oh, Yes Kenny. Pickett, okay that's
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: what we're. Missing Soh, yeah you're gonna look at WHAT. C.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: J stroud gets and he's probably gonna use that as a.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: Baseline but you, KNOW i go back to Dak prescott
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: was eligible for an extension and in the time The
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: cowboys waited and, Haggled Lamar jackson, Signed Josh allen, Signed
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: Patrick mahomes redid his, Deal burrow, signed and there's a
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: few more in.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: There they probably the.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: Expectation was initially when When prescott was first, eligible that
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: he was is probably gonna be somewhere in forty million
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: dollars a year about, that which is a, lot and
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: at the TIME i think would have made him like
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: a top five highest paid.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: Quarterback by, waiting the cow was he is a sixty
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: million dollar.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: Aav, yeah because they waited and let all those other guys,
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: sign because nobody wants to take less money than the guy.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: Before and usually those, contracts you, know the guaranteed money
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: with these quarterback contracts is.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: Everything, yeah usually those. Are they're like almost three or
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: four year. Deal he's second and guaranteed Behind Josh. Allen
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: so you're looking at get signed after you're looking at The,
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: niners for, example once had extension kicks and like perty
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: is A niner for the next like four years and
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: there's really nothing they can do about.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 4: It so but the point, being like you're good at these.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: Contracts if the player is, good the contract's not bad
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: because the cap explodes so. Much Right Patrick mahomes when
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: he first signed that, deal we, were oh my, god,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: Wow Patrick, mahomes.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: He is the. Cheese i'm still scrolling his deals is
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: an Extremely his deal is like A brady esque, bargain
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: like he he he knew it at the time too
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: when he signed, it like he's signed a team friendly,
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: contract all Out brady.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: Like even like some of these other guys that we
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: thought signed massive deals at the time did not rank that.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: High because Even Josh allen's not that.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: Bad Josh Josh allen six right now in terms of
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: Aav so like just sign the, guy get it over.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: With the cap will go. Up you'll be able to swallow.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: It unless you're unsure if he's worth sticking to long
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: term and you want to let it play. Out but
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: if you're convinced he's our franchise, quarterback haggling does you.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: Nothing haggling hurts the, team it helps the. Player it's
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: in the player's best interest to drag that thing out
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: as long as. Possible the CAP's gonna go, up you'll be.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: Fine other players are gonna be paid more than. Um
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: get the deal done as soon as possible if you
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: believe in The the tough part about it, is and
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: then we'll wrap it. Up the tough part about it
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: is is if it's, again if it's, pretty if it's,
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: even if It's Trevor, lawrence SO i think is, good
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: but it hasn't really and that hasn't yielded wins all
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: the time In. Jacksonville like those are the tough ones
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: because like you have to pay that guy because he's so.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: Talented you can see the talent With Trevor lawrence is
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: clearly worth.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: Paying BUT i worry tiny teeny bit that that ends
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: up Being Drake may's, fate where like it just doesn't
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: ever really manifest. Itself but it's so obvious that he's
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: not the problem and he's really good and like you
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: have to pay, him you. Know and that's when we
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: start talking about. Windows And i'll wrap this up With
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: floyd And Redford michigan's, email because you, KNOW i SAID
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: i wasn't gonna Talk, celtics but we're an hour and
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: fifty seven minutes in And floyd is making us Talk.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: Celtics he emailed in about. This this is the big
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: thing with The celtics to me too as it relates
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: to The, Patriots, like there's, windows, right there's contending. Windows
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: and a big reason why contending windows exist is because
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: eventually two things. Happen your roster gets expensive and your
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: roster ages. Out like those are the two big. Things
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: and if you're The, patriots you know you right now
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: are at the very very. Beginning maybe even you're not
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: maybe even in the. Window yet you're probably like looking
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: her on the. Doorstep, yeah you're probably like looking at the.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: Window but if you go into the window and you
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: don't maximize that. Window, now in twenty twenty, seven when
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: you have to Extend Drake, may he becomes a sixty
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: million dollars, quarterback and now it becomes a lot harder
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 2: to fill out the roster around. Him The celtics are
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: in a similar position now where they're in the middle
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: of the.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: Window they put their chips all in the middle towards
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: the end of the window and then they didn't. Win,
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: Right so now that's the tough spot that you're. In,
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: well they won't WANT i, mean, Yeah i'm mean talking
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: about SO i remember somebody telling me, this And i've
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: said this, before but like the ideal path when you
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: draft a, quarterback when you, rebuild year zero is the
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: ear you.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 4: Suck, yeah so year zero's the ear you get.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: The picture tattoo.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: Back, well so essentially in this, scenario year zero is
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty, three right, right year, one there's one. Goal
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: there is one, goal and it is the quarterback you
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: drafted AN Nfl, like is he a? Guy is he
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: a guy you're going to invest in build? Around if,
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: not you go back to your. Zero The patriots check that.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: Box they had to make a coaching, change which usually
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: doesn't come with. That but, yeah that's year. One year,
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: two you feel good about the. Quarterback now you start
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: investing around. Them the goal for year two you should
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: be in the mix for playoff. Spot maybe you just get,
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: in maybe you get eliminated the last.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: Week you should be.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: Competitive you should be beating some playoff. Teams you should
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: be in the. Mix year, three you should be in the.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: Playoffs the expectation should be to be in the, playoffs
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: and you should be contending for your. Division maybe you
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: just miss. It you should be contending for your division
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: yours four and. Five because this goes along that rookie
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: contract for the quarterback yours four and. Five that's your
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: real true Super bowl. Window now obviously doesn't go that
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: way for every team that drafts a. Quarterback doesn't have
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: to be that linear the best laid, plans, right but
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: that's kind of the blueprint that you're looking at when
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: you draft a quarterback and you start to. Rebuild so
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: because when you get to your five or when you
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: get to your, six now that new contract kicks in
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: and it completely changes the way you build.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: It right, now you're expensive, now guys you know that
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: you sign in free agency or older moving on or,
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: now it just it resets the whole. Thing you get
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: to year. Six The bills just ran into.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: This this was The bills, list and people may hear
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: that and, say, well The patriots did it for twenty,
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: years which is. Rare but part of the reason they
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: did that is going to sound weird to some. People
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: they drafted really well for a long. Time, yeah and
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: so once you get to year six and, beyond now
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: it's about you have to really start hitting on draft,
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: picks and not just first round picks but throughout the
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: draft to beef up your roster around some of your
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: higher paid.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: Players all, Right so that does it for today's. Show next,
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: week the plan is that we're going to be out
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: AT OTAs On, Wednesday so if it's the same schedule
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: as it was last, week and it will be during
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: the show THAT OTAs will be going, On So producer,
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: albs maybe we'll do two to four next week like
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: we did WITH pu. Yesterday, well we'll figure that, out
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: BUT i think that's what we're we're gonna hope to
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: do is in the afternoon after the we're out AT,
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: OTAs we'll do a recap, show just like we did
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 2: With Patriots unfiltered. Yesterday so it might change the. Time
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 2: we'll keep you guys updated on, that but until, then
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: signing off For Alex, Barth I'm Evan. Lazar we'll see
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 2: you guys next week another. Ota it should be. Fun
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: we'll see you. Then, hey this Is. Evan thanks for
• 2:01:21
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• 2:01:35
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