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OnlyFans Model Stabs Boyfriend Dead, Claims Self-Defense · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A gorgeous only Fans model
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Speaker 1: is on the hot seat. Her live in is dead.
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Speaker 1: What does she have to do with it? If anything?
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM
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Speaker 1: one eleven. First of all, take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends at WSVN. A bloody Sunday killing inside a trendy
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Speaker 1: Miami high rise. I think everybody in shock. Actually Rate
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Speaker 1: Crogard acted. The Sparkling one Putty So condominium is where
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Speaker 1: it got violent days ago, and now a twenty seven
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Speaker 1: year old man is dead and his family is devastated.
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Speaker 1: And more from our friends Sheldon Fox at WSVN. Police
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Speaker 1: say they're still investigating with the hell of the State
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Speaker 1: Attorney and Medical Examiner's office. Police were called around five
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Speaker 1: o'clock Sunday at thirty one thirty one Northeast Seventh Avenue
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Speaker 1: in the apartment where the couple lived. It's where they
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Speaker 1: found Obumselley gravely injured. He was rushed to Jackson where
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Speaker 1: he died. With me in all star panel to make
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Speaker 1: sense of what we know right now about the sudden
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Speaker 1: and unexpected death of a twenty seven year old young man,
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Speaker 1: Christian of Mselley. But first to Charlie Langston, our friend
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Speaker 1: and colleague joining us from dailymail dot com. She is
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Speaker 1: editor of Female Femail. Charlie, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: What can you tell me first of all about this
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Speaker 1: luxury high rise for the death occurred. I mean it was,
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Speaker 1: you know, kind of a stunning setting. There are incredible views.
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Speaker 1: It was you know, very modern, very sleek, very expensive.
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Speaker 1: But it turned into a shocking crime scene when pictures
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Speaker 1: emerged of this only model that you mentioned on the
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Speaker 1: balcony wearing a bra and covered in her boyfriend's blood. Okay, wait, wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: let me just take that. In the end, guys, we
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Speaker 1: were talking about an only Fans model and Charlie, how
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Speaker 1: would you describe only fans? Only Fans originally began as
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Speaker 1: a paid for subscription service where models could post risque content,
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Speaker 1: you know, for a see, it was a way for
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Speaker 1: them to earn money during the pandemic. It actually became
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Speaker 1: incredibly popular with adult movie stars because the adult film
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Speaker 1: industry shut down and as a result, porn stars needed
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Speaker 1: somewhere to post their content so that they could earn money.
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Speaker 1: Only Fans pretty much has no rules about the kinds
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Speaker 1: of explicit nude content that you can publish, and as
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Speaker 1: a result, it now has a reputation for being a
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Speaker 1: very x rated website. The majority of people, not all
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Speaker 1: of the people, but the majority of people who post
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Speaker 1: on Only Fans have some kind of risk ae element
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Speaker 1: to their posting, and that means that there is a
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Speaker 1: slightly seedy undertone to the website in general. Truly, Langston,
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Speaker 1: I think you're putting perfume on the pig right there,
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Speaker 1: calling it risk But I think of risque. I think
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Speaker 1: of someone wearing maybe I don't know, a picture showing
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Speaker 1: cleavage or maybe in a negliger I would hardly compare
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Speaker 1: Only Fans to risque. That's not what it evokes in
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Speaker 1: my mind. Could you be more blunt? There is lots
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Speaker 1: of very sexually explicit content on that and it ranges
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Speaker 1: from what you just said, kind of more innocent photos
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Speaker 1: of people wearing lingerie right up to explicit videos of
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Speaker 1: people kind of performing acts of a sexual nature, nude photos,
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Speaker 1: all kinds of things like that, and they usually you
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Speaker 1: are very kind of of the top the way that
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Speaker 1: they tease this content on other social media sites uses
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Speaker 1: a lot of very adult emojis, if you will. So,
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Speaker 1: I do think that the majority of people when they
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Speaker 1: think of Only Fans, they think of it as being
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Speaker 1: almost a kind of paid for porn website. Now, didn't
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Speaker 1: I just read that the movie star Charlie Sheen's daughter,
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Speaker 1: I think her name is Lola or Sam is on
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Speaker 1: Only Fans. Yes, which which daughter is it? Lola is
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Speaker 1: then the mother? Yes, Denise Richards. I'm just learning that,
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Speaker 1: so Kien for just a moment. Well, whatever it is.
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Speaker 1: I know that this woman that you just describe wearing
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Speaker 1: a bra on the balcony and covered in blood has
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Speaker 1: about two million followers, is that right? Yes? Wow, that's
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Speaker 1: a lot. That's a lot of followers and a lot
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Speaker 1: of money. I really explain. Well, in order to gain
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Speaker 1: access to her content, when you'd say two million followers
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Speaker 1: on Only Fans, it's subscribe it. They have to pay
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Speaker 1: for the privilege, if you will, of accessing her content.
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Speaker 1: Without paying a monthly or an annual subscription fee, they
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Speaker 1: can't see anything that she posed. Now. Of course, in
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Speaker 1: the line of journalism, have you viewed her content? Her
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Speaker 1: page was taken down in light of everything that has happened,
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Speaker 1: but we understand that. You know, it wasn't the most
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Speaker 1: explicit content that was on only Fans, but there were
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Speaker 1: a number of images that were of a fairly sexual nature.
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Speaker 1: So let me get back to the money. Charlie likes
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Speaker 1: to joining me from dailymail dot com. She's editor of
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Speaker 1: Female Charlie. How much money are we talking about this?
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Speaker 1: She would bring in well on average. Subscription fees can
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Speaker 1: go from anywhere from five dollars a month up to
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Speaker 1: twenty five dollars a month. But one of the places
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Speaker 1: that only fanstars make a lot of money is by
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Speaker 1: offering tailor made content to their subscribe it. Well, wait
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Speaker 1: a minute, Jackie, why are you shaking your head? Yes,
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Speaker 1: have you partaken of the tailor made content journalistic integrity only?
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Speaker 1: But it's basically virtual lab dances. Okay. Jackie, who claims
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Speaker 1: it was for journalistic integrity, says that in her understanding,
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Speaker 1: its virtual lapp dances. What are we talking about, Charlie?
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Speaker 1: It can really be anything. It is up to the
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Speaker 1: only found creator what limit they put in place. But
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Speaker 1: they effectively open up their inboxes to all kinds of
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Speaker 1: requests from fans. These can be found who have specific sessiships,
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Speaker 1: who want them to wear specific outfit, who want them
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Speaker 1: to video themselves doing specific things. Really, there is no limit.
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Speaker 1: It's up to the only fans model how far they're
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Speaker 1: willing to take things in the name of earning you know,
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Speaker 1: a fair amount of money. Okay. John W. Dill, high
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Speaker 1: profile lawyer is joining me out of winter Park, Florida,
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Speaker 1: author of as a method of proven techniques for winning
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Speaker 1: jury trials? Is it? John wdeal dot com? John, Before
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Speaker 1: we get ahead of ourselves, I just want to say this,
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Speaker 1: the first time I ever well, really, the only time
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Speaker 1: I tried to gloss over airbrush. A victim was passed
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Speaker 1: was a stripper and she had been robbed on robbery
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Speaker 1: at about two am in the morning, leaving her strip joint,
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Speaker 1: dressed as a cheerleader. And you know, I didn't know
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Speaker 1: how the jury was gonna take the victim being a stripper.
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Speaker 1: And I put her up on the stand and I
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Speaker 1: asked her, where are you from? Where did you go
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Speaker 1: to school? Where do you go to church? I took
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Speaker 1: one look over it and there was this real church
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Speaker 1: lady on the jury on the front row by the way,
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Speaker 1: and she was going m I finally went, okay, you
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Speaker 1: know what, I said, what do you do for a living?
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Speaker 1: Because I realized they could see straight through no matter
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Speaker 1: what I said. You could tell she's a stripper, right
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Speaker 1: right right, like yeah, like you said, putting, trying to
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Speaker 1: put lipstick on a pig is never good and the
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Speaker 1: jury can send things like that. It's better as you did,
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Speaker 1: just to be up front about about their alley. Well,
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Speaker 1: it was at first, okay, I tried to goloss over it.
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Speaker 1: I saw that was not working at all. So in
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Speaker 1: this only fans model with two million followers or subscribers,
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Speaker 1: as Charlie Lakson corrected me, and she's right, that's a
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Speaker 1: lot of money and they're paying to live in an
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Speaker 1: incredible luxury high rise. What goes wrong? How does she
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Speaker 1: end up on the balcony covered in blood? Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friends at WPLG. Detectives revealed Christian of
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Speaker 1: em Selly was stabbed during an argument inside their luxury
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Speaker 1: Miami apartment in April. After the stabbing, video obtained by
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Speaker 1: TMZ shows Clenny handcuffed and covered in blood sitting on
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Speaker 1: the floor. Clenny was not charged during the initial investigation
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Speaker 1: detectives spent months looking into whether or not this was
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Speaker 1: a case of self defense. So to you, Charlie Langston
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Speaker 1: joining us from dailymail dot com, what do we know
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Speaker 1: right now about how a twenty seven year old man
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Speaker 1: ends up stabbed dead and a luxury high rise there
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Speaker 1: in Miami. What we know of right now is that
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Speaker 1: the two had an argument. Exactly what the argument was about,
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Speaker 1: we do not yet know. However, her lawyer has admitted
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Speaker 1: that the two of them had a very tumultuous relationship.
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Speaker 1: To Karen start in joining me New York Psychologists joining
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Speaker 1: us out of Manhattan. That's Karen with the Sea and
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Speaker 1: you can find her at Karen Stark dot com. Karen,
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Speaker 1: what I hear tumultuous relationship? That means one thing to me?
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Speaker 1: That means domestic violence. Someone is beating someone. You got it, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: And then think about how much that's been in the
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Speaker 1: news lately too. You've been covering the whole case with
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Speaker 1: Johnny death right, and here we go again with another
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Speaker 1: relationship where you know that if they're talking about that
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Speaker 1: kind of relationship, that kind of interaction, there's got to
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Speaker 1: violence associated with it. Something had happened. Crime stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. We need to hear neighbors describing a tumultuous relationship.
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Speaker 1: That's certainly a ephanism. We immediately think of domestic violence,
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Speaker 1: but all it's not always as it seems, is it.
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Speaker 1: In the midst of their investigation, video taken from an
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Speaker 1: elevator takes center stage. Listen the video showing a violent
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Speaker 1: encounter in an elevator, and months later, the man in
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Speaker 1: that video would be killed, the state's attorney says by
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Speaker 1: that Instagram model Courtney Cluny, a social media personality and
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Speaker 1: influencer now turned alleged killer. The Miami Dade States Attorney
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Speaker 1: says this video is part of a pattern that led
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Speaker 1: to Cloney's stabbing her boyfriend, Christian obum Selly to death. Well,
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Speaker 1: this with me the first time that elevator video has
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Speaker 1: come into play. Remember when Beyonce and jay Z were
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Speaker 1: on the elevator with Beyonce's sister. Listen, jay Z and
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Speaker 1: Beyonce Knols Carter, the almost royalty power couple of hip
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Speaker 1: hop and R and B set tongues wagging across the
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Speaker 1: world because of this incident captured by CCTV cameras in
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Speaker 1: an elevator at a fancy hotel in the Big Apple.
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Speaker 1: All appears calm and normal until Solange Knolls, Beyonce's sister,
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Speaker 1: lunges at her brother in law. The video shows Solange,
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Speaker 1: a vocal star and fashionista in her own right, punching, hitting, kicking,
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Speaker 1: and clawing at the famed wrapper before eventually being pulled
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Speaker 1: off by a bodyguard. Yeah. I love about that? How much?
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Speaker 1: Those are our friends? At jamz is at Meance, I
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Speaker 1: was like, m, you didn't see her pull on Solange
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Speaker 1: off of jay Z. Something was going on in that elevator.
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Speaker 1: But what about Ray Rice, the NFL star? Remember that
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Speaker 1: elevator video? Take a lesson to our friends from Daily Mail.
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Speaker 1: The grainy video is from inside the elevator, showing Rice
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Speaker 1: knocking Jenny Palmer off her feet and into a railing.
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Speaker 1: The other video, released months earlier, showed Rice dragging his
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Speaker 1: now wife out of the elevator. Rice was arrested and
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Speaker 1: charged with felony aggravated assault earlier this year, but avoided
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Speaker 1: jail time by enrolling in a pre trial intervention program.
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Speaker 1: In July, he received a minor two games suspension from
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Speaker 1: the NFL, a decision widely criticized, prompting NFL Commissioner Roger
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Speaker 1: Goodell a month later to admit that the league needed
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Speaker 1: to take a tougher position on domestic violence. So where
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Speaker 1: will we be without elevator video? Remember that Ray Rice
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Speaker 1: video of him abusing the victor, dragging her out by
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Speaker 1: her hair that set off a storm light no other,
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Speaker 1: especially within the NFL. So Charlie Lanks to joining me
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Speaker 1: from dalinmall dot com. What does the video in this
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Speaker 1: case show? Because we've got this gorgeous only fans model
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Speaker 1: with two million plus subscribers raking it in, living in
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Speaker 1: this luxury high rise she's climbing. She acted in self
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Speaker 1: defense when she stabbed her lover. But what do we
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Speaker 1: see on the elevator video? We see her absolutely pummeling
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Speaker 1: her boyfriend. Now, this video was taken in February, so
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Speaker 1: this was months before album Selly was killed, and the
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Speaker 1: video effectively just shows her punching him, slapping him, shoving
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Speaker 1: him over several minutes, and from what the clip shows,
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Speaker 1: at no point does he attempt to defend himself. He
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Speaker 1: turns his back to her in an attempt to protect
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Speaker 1: himself from her blows, but he does not retaliate, he
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Speaker 1: does not react towards her in a physical manner whatsoever.
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Speaker 1: After seeing this elevator video, cops then take their investigation
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Speaker 1: all the way to Vegas. Listen to our friends from
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Speaker 1: WSVN an extremely tempestuous and combative relationship. The video played Thursday,
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Speaker 1: showing the violent dynamics as the State's attorney that persisted
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Speaker 1: within the couple's relationship, Clenny the aggressor during episodes like
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Speaker 1: this one and others. Here's a Las Vegas mug shot.
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Speaker 1: She was arrested in January for domestic battery. Again. Her
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Speaker 1: boyfriend was the victim. Okay, Charlie Langston, she the only
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Speaker 1: fans superstar pulling in a lot of money every month,
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Speaker 1: two million subscribers that at the very minimum five dollars
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Speaker 1: up to twenty five dollars a month. That is a
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Speaker 1: lot of money. Why can't rich people just be happy? Charlie.
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Speaker 1: Now we've got only her beating the crap out of
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Speaker 1: him on an elevator, but we also now have a
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Speaker 1: love shot at a Vegas arrested for domestic battery on
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Speaker 1: the same victim, the lover Christian. What happened there? She
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Speaker 1: threw a glass at his head. It very narrowly missed.
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Speaker 1: Once again, the two of them got embroiled in an argument,
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Speaker 1: and she, from what we understand from witnesses from the
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Speaker 1: police report, turned violence and started kind of you know,
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Speaker 1: going for her boyfriend and threw a glass at him,
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Speaker 1: which you know, presumably had it made contact, could have
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Speaker 1: very seriously injured him or you know, killed him, you know.
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Speaker 1: Joining me from New York Karen Start, New York psychologist Karen.
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Speaker 1: If somebody threw a glass in my head and that
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Speaker 1: somebody was arrested for domestic battery, I think I would
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Speaker 1: get the hay had a dodge. Why do you think
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Speaker 1: this grown man, good looking guy is world in front
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Speaker 1: of him? Christian and Sally stayed with her. Now he's dead.
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Speaker 1: I love that question, Nancy, because you see it all
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Speaker 1: the time and relationships of abuse where somebody keeps staying
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Speaker 1: and you say to yourself, what's going on? And what's
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Speaker 1: happening is is that each time and it doesn't start
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Speaker 1: off that severe usually, but each time that there's an incident,
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Speaker 1: there's an apology from the abuser and there's I'm sorry,
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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, and the person comes back and after
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Speaker 1: a while they are ego. Their feelings about themselves are affected,
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Speaker 1: and they no longer feel like they're worthwhile or that
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Speaker 1: they can live without the other person, And so they stay,
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Speaker 1: and they keep coming back for more. And it's not
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Speaker 1: because they're masochistic. It's because they lose their sense of self.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not winding the victim at all. I'm
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Speaker 1: just trying to figure out what made it so important
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Speaker 1: to him to stay with someone that beat the crap
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Speaker 1: out of him and an elevator and had already been
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Speaker 1: arrested for abusing him in Vegas. It's not the first
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Speaker 1: time a man has stayed with a woman that they
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Speaker 1: think is just, let me just say, got snakes in
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Speaker 1: her head, just flat out crazy, and ends up dead.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut sixteen Our Friends. At
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Speaker 1: ABC twenty twenty, Jody arius had changed her story twice,
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Speaker 1: from not being at the scene at all to being
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Speaker 1: attacked by two apparently professional killers dressed as ninjas. Jodi
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Speaker 1: Arias now had a third story, Did you killed Travis Alexander?
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Speaker 1: On June fourth, two thousand and eight, Yes, he did.
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Speaker 1: Why The simple answers that he attacked me and he
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Speaker 1: defended myself. She now changes the story to self defense.
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Speaker 1: It was Travis's continual abuse and on June fourth and eight,
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Speaker 1: it had reached a point of no return. Join me
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Speaker 1: right now, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood
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Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon and Star. I'm a brand
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Speaker 1: new hit series on iHeart Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan.
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Speaker 1: Death investigator Joe Scott Morgan, Joe Scott, you remember the
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Speaker 1: Jodi Arias trial. I believe it was at least twenty
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Speaker 1: nine stabs, but I think it was more some experts
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Speaker 1: say thirty one. Because there were so many stab wounds.
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Speaker 1: They started overlapping each other and the medical examiner couldn't
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Speaker 1: quite tell how many stabs there were. And it was
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Speaker 1: capped off with her shooting him in the head and
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Speaker 1: leaving his damp body to decompose in the shower. Is
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Speaker 1: that jogging your memory, Joe Scott? She claimed self defense too, Yes,
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Speaker 1: unfortunately it is. Do you realize how long I've tried
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Speaker 1: to forget this case and now you bring it up?
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Speaker 1: Me too? So it was, you know, to say that
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Speaker 1: what Travis Alexander endured Nancy is self defense. The victim
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Speaker 1: of self defense. This guy walked into a buzz saw.
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Speaker 1: She stabbed him so many times, and it's not it
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Speaker 1: wasn't just the fact that she had stabbed him so
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Speaker 1: many times. Remember went to the back, she cut his
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Speaker 1: throat almost ear to ear, and to be quite frank
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Speaker 1: with you, his head was barely hanging on. Okay, and
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Speaker 1: then the coup de gray, if you will. She takes
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Speaker 1: a pistol and shoots him in the head. And you know,
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Speaker 1: the medical examiner at that time track that wound and
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Speaker 1: guess what. There was no hemorrhage in that wound. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: that was a post mortem injury, and some of these
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Speaker 1: other injuries were as well. This is not an act
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Speaker 1: of self defense. If somebody commits and acts at self defense,
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Speaker 1: they stabbed the person, they shoot the person, and guess
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Speaker 1: what they do, Just like you said, they get out
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Speaker 1: a way, they bail, They get away as far from
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Speaker 1: the dangerous they possibly can. Jody Arias, no way, that's
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Speaker 1: not what happened. I will never forget the Jody Aries
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Speaker 1: trial where she told the jury in the third story
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Speaker 1: that it was self defense. But it brings to mind
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Speaker 1: another case where the male boyfriend ends up dead and
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Speaker 1: the lover claims self defense. Does anyone remember Shana Hubers,
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Speaker 1: Remember she was dating an up and coming lawyer. He
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Speaker 1: was really doing well. Then through her stalking, just like
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Speaker 1: Jodi Arias stalked Travis Alexander, she finds out she must
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Speaker 1: have hacked into his email. He had a date. Now
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Speaker 1: they had broken up. He had a date that night,
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Speaker 1: literally with miss Ohio. Take a listen to our friends
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Speaker 1: at Fox nineteen Cecily Miller testified that you bers knew
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Speaker 1: that post and was going on a date with miss Ohio.
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Speaker 1: Audrey Bolti the night she shot and killed him. Where
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Speaker 1: I remember is when she shot him, it was like
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Speaker 1: bang bang bang, Bababeang's gray and she and she sit
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Speaker 1: there and she said, I just gave a nose job
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Speaker 1: we always wanted. Cackle left and she shot Hi. You
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Speaker 1: fell And then when she shot him, she stood over,
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Speaker 1: striding more, stood over him and shot him more. That's
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Speaker 1: eerily reminiscent of what Joe Scott Morgan was describing Jody
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Speaker 1: Arius after stabbing Travis Alexander twenty nine times, then shot
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Speaker 1: him in the head post mortem. Now with Shana Hebers,
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Speaker 1: she went on to claim self defense. There's no evidence
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Speaker 1: of that whatsoever. And she actually sat in a statement.
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Speaker 1: By shooting him in the face, she quote gave him
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Speaker 1: the nose job he always wanted. Okay, Karen's stark tall order.
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Speaker 1: Remember Jody Arius stopped Travis after he broke up with her.
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Speaker 1: She would show up unexpected. The day she murdered him,
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Speaker 1: she drove across I think an entire state, leaving no
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Speaker 1: trail behind her to have a marathon sex session with
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Speaker 1: him to basically talk him out. I'm going on a
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Speaker 1: trip to King Kun with a new date. In both
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Speaker 1: of these cases, we have the woman possessively stalking the
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Speaker 1: man and then killing him. And what you know from
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Speaker 1: these cases, Nancy, is that they can't deal with the
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Speaker 1: fact that they are going to lose him to somebody else.
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Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with love. It has everything
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Speaker 1: to do with he's mine. I need him, I need
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Speaker 1: to possess him, and nobody else could have him. And
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Speaker 1: they will use any kind of manipulation to get the
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Speaker 1: guy and then, as you can see, kill him and
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Speaker 1: not just kill him, but then after he's dead. And
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Speaker 1: that's pure. Just like Joe Scott said, it's so much
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Speaker 1: anger to keep stabbing, shooting somebody after their ro they
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Speaker 1: did take a listen to what friends of Christian and
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Speaker 1: Sally had to say in our cut three our friends
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Speaker 1: at wp LG. This trio was very close to twenty
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Speaker 1: seven year old Christian Obumselly and his girlfriend, who they've
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Speaker 1: identified as twenty five year old Courtney Clenny and only fans,
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Speaker 1: model and Instagram influencer. So when police reported that obam
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Speaker 1: Selly was fatally stabbed by Clenny on Sunday inside their
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Speaker 1: Miami apartment, the friends were left speechless. They portray a
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Speaker 1: very violent relationship at the hands of only one person
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Speaker 1: seeing her hit him. I've never seen him hit her
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Speaker 1: straight out to Charlie Langston joining us from dailymail dot com,
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Speaker 1: she the only fans influencer let me say with two
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Speaker 1: million subscribers, insists the stabbing was in self defense. What
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Speaker 1: does she claim happened? She claims that she and albam
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Speaker 1: Selly got into an argument. She then claims Clanny claims
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Speaker 1: that album Felly grabbed her by the throats and that
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Speaker 1: she stabbed him in self defense. She then phones the
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Speaker 1: police to report the stabbing, and he could be heard
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Speaker 1: in the background saying I'm dying, I'm dying. And I
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Speaker 1: can't feel my arm, while she simply says I'm so sorry.
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Speaker 1: Listen four thirty three pm to four fifty seven pm,
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Speaker 1: neighbors began calling the building manager about his disturbance at
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Speaker 1: the apartment. They called security call nine to eleven at
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Speaker 1: four or forty six, notifying them of the disturbance. Eleven
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Speaker 1: minutes later, at four fifty seven, Defended Clenny called nine
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Speaker 1: one one to tell the police that Christian was suffering
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Speaker 1: from a stag room and needed help. On that nine
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Speaker 1: eleven call, Christian can be heard in the background repeatedly
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Speaker 1: saying that he was dying and he was losing feeling
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Speaker 1: in his arm. Defended Clany is also heard saying I'm
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Speaker 1: so sorry, Daby, I'm so sorry. Yeah, that's what she said,
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Speaker 1: as the lamer is dying and can't feel his arm.
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Speaker 1: She was on the phone with her mother at the time.
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Speaker 1: Her mother had said that she could hear Plenty accusing
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Speaker 1: album Felly of lying. She then claims Plenty claims that
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Speaker 1: album Felly grabbed her by the throat and that she
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Speaker 1: stabbed him in self defense. Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: At four thirty three pm, Christian walks into the apartment.
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Speaker 1: Ten minutes later, at four forty three PM, Plenty called
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Speaker 1: her mother. That call lasts until about four just over
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Speaker 1: six minutes. At four forty nine, Clanny made a second
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Speaker 1: call almost immediately to her mother. They spoke until four
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Speaker 1: or fifty six PM, a little over seven minutes, you think.
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Speaker 1: At four fifty seven m funny cause nine to eleven
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Speaker 1: to John W. Deal high profile warrior joining us out
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Speaker 1: of Winter Park, Florida. You can find him at Johnwdal
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Speaker 1: dot com. Please, your mother is your witness. I've never
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Speaker 1: tried a single person for any felony whose mother didn't
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Speaker 1: sit right behind them on the front row declaring her
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Speaker 1: son wouldn't ever have done whatever, or her daughter. I mean,
26:35
Speaker 1: that's of course the mother is going to say that, right, right,
26:39
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing she's she's gonna say that.
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Speaker 1: But the concerning thing is that I'm sorry. As you
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Speaker 1: pointed out, that is not in the circumstances exactly which
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Speaker 1: you probably would want to hear as a defense attorney
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Speaker 1: explain well as far as if if if the girl
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Speaker 1: is saying I'm sorry and he's laying there dying, it
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Speaker 1: doesn't sound like anything other than that She potentially is
27:04
Speaker 1: a little bit callous about what is happening, and I
27:06
Speaker 1: think that's what prosecutors could try to show. I mean,
27:09
Speaker 1: prosecutor would have a field day if the main witness
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Speaker 1: is the only fans modeled mother. Of course, the mother's
27:18
Speaker 1: gonna lie to protect her daughter, no matter how much
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Speaker 1: Courtney Taylor Clenny the only fans superstar and sist she
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Speaker 1: acted in self defense. All of Christians friends say no way.
27:32
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at WPLG. Officers say
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Speaker 1: there was a struggle before album Selly was stabbed in
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Speaker 1: the shoulder. He died at the hospital. Investigators are still
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out what happened and if Clenny acted
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Speaker 1: in self defense. From what we've personally experienced between the
27:47
Speaker 1: both of them, we believe that like Christian wouldn't cut
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Speaker 1: her in a position gener where she would need to
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Speaker 1: stop him to protect herself. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends at WSV in seven. Several months later, she's a
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Speaker 1: murder suspect following an April encounter. The knife entered Christian's
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Speaker 1: chest in a downward angle to the depth of three inches.
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Speaker 1: Clennie stabbed Obam Selly to death at the Baraiso condo
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Speaker 1: in Miami. She claimed self defense and was not initially arrested,
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Speaker 1: sending Cleanny admitted to having caused Christian's injury, but after
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Speaker 1: gathering evidence, police and prosecutors charged Clenny with murder in
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Speaker 1: this second degree with a weapon Crime stories with Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: the investigation goes forward and culminates here. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our cut seven Our friends at wp LG police
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Speaker 1: say this woman stabbed her boyfriend to death four months
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Speaker 1: ago inside their apartment. Today she was picked up by
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Speaker 1: US Marshalls in Hawaii. This is Only Fans model Courtney Klenny.
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Speaker 1: She's known for her pictures and her two million followers
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Speaker 1: on Instagram, But Wednesday she posed for a very different picture,
29:14
Speaker 1: a new mugshot. She was arrested in Hawaii facing a
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Speaker 1: murder charge four months after police day she stabbed her
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Speaker 1: boyfriend to death. But when they finally charged the Only
29:24
Speaker 1: Fans star, she's nowhere to be found. Straight out to
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, Professor forensic Jackson State University, could you
29:32
Speaker 1: place interpret what we are hearing the downward angle stab
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Speaker 1: three inches deep. Yeah. What's really kind of fascinating about
29:43
Speaker 1: this is the fact that Initially, she said she threw
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Speaker 1: the knife at him and that's what created this injury.
29:48
Speaker 1: And what a bunch of garbage that is. When the
29:51
Speaker 1: m went in and began to examine this injury, Nancy,
29:56
Speaker 1: they determined that, as you had pointed out, that it's
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Speaker 1: a downward path and it passed through. If everybody at
30:03
Speaker 1: home will fill their left collar bone, which you know,
30:06
Speaker 1: medical parlance, they call it clavicle, feel your left collar bone,
30:10
Speaker 1: it actually clipped what's referred to as a subclavian artery,
30:14
Speaker 1: and it's one of the major arteries in your body.
30:17
Speaker 1: So when she passed through it and then I drew
30:20
Speaker 1: it out internally, he just began to spray blood all
30:24
Speaker 1: over the place and within him and externally too. She
30:28
Speaker 1: clipped this major vessel. And the only way she could
30:31
Speaker 1: have done this, Nancy, is that she would have had
30:33
Speaker 1: to have been in a dominant position what we refer to,
30:38
Speaker 1: as you know, essentially an asymmetrical position where she is
30:42
Speaker 1: above him and thrusting downward. If he had had a
30:46
Speaker 1: team of cardiothoracic surgeon standing over him, I don't know
30:50
Speaker 1: that they could have saved him at that moment time.
30:52
Speaker 1: This was a fatal injury and your expertise just got Morgan,
30:56
Speaker 1: how do you think this went down? Based on the
31:00
Speaker 1: angle on the stab and the depth, I think that
31:03
Speaker 1: there is a high probability that he could have been seated,
31:06
Speaker 1: even you know, because if you look at that that
31:08
Speaker 1: image from the elevator, he's a big guy. I mean,
31:12
Speaker 1: when I saw him, I thought, oh my gosh, this
31:14
Speaker 1: guy's like a football player, you know. You see him
31:16
Speaker 1: and he's you know, he's just kind of fending her off,
31:19
Speaker 1: and she's tiny. She's actually in a couple of those motions.
31:22
Speaker 1: She's hopping up to try to you know, to try
31:24
Speaker 1: to pop him and that sort of thing. She would
31:26
Speaker 1: have had to have been dominant in this, So I
31:28
Speaker 1: don't know if he was laying on the floor or
31:30
Speaker 1: sitting on the floor or sitting in a chair, but
31:32
Speaker 1: she would have had to gone straight down in order
31:34
Speaker 1: to access that area. Wouldn't you be able to tell
31:37
Speaker 1: at the luxury apartment where the initial stab was based
31:41
Speaker 1: on the pool of blood, Yeah, yeah, because that's going
31:44
Speaker 1: to be the most profound or he could have been
31:47
Speaker 1: leaking blood and it would have passively fallen on the
31:51
Speaker 1: ground from that point to where he came to rest
31:54
Speaker 1: at that point, and if the knife is withdrawn, you're
31:57
Speaker 1: gonna have also passive blood staining that's going and other locations.
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Speaker 1: And finally where the knife came to risk. This was
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Speaker 1: a six inch blade. It penetrated three inches and that's
32:07
Speaker 1: more than enough to do this kind of damage. Listen.
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Speaker 1: She says he threw her to the ground but allowed
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Speaker 1: her to get up, and it was at that point
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Speaker 1: that defendant Clanny went to a kitchen area the knife.
32:23
Speaker 1: As Christian sort of approached her, she threw the knife
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Speaker 1: at him from a distance that she's estimated to be
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Speaker 1: about ten feet in describing the stabbing incident, at no
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Speaker 1: time the defendant Clanny Clan Christian was armed with any
32:40
Speaker 1: type of a weapon, and based on the location of
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Speaker 1: the stab of the wound, the medical examiner opined, in
32:50
Speaker 1: other words, it was her opinion that throwing the knife
32:53
Speaker 1: from that distance would not have caused that fatal stab wound.
32:59
Speaker 1: To John w oh high profile lawyer out of Winter Park, Florida,
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Speaker 1: did you hear that The first thing she said was
33:05
Speaker 1: she threw the knife at him. That's not going to
33:09
Speaker 1: help in a self defense case, because why would you
33:11
Speaker 1: change your story absolutely now not unlike Jodi Aris, as
33:16
Speaker 1: you pointed out, the thing about self defense is the
33:18
Speaker 1: prior statements can come back and haunch it. And the
33:21
Speaker 1: only way to many times to prove self defense if
33:24
Speaker 1: you can't prove it forensically, is to have the person testify.
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Speaker 1: So that I would imagine that that in the I'm
33:30
Speaker 1: sorry comment are going to be really big hurdles for
33:32
Speaker 1: the defense attorney to overcome. Yeah, you're not kidding. That's
33:35
Speaker 1: never a good thing, and you're stuck with it. You're
33:38
Speaker 1: stuck with it unless you can somehow get that statement
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Speaker 1: thrown out of court arguing she didn't know a rise
33:44
Speaker 1: that she she was not mirandized. You can try a
33:48
Speaker 1: ton of ways to get thrown out. I don't think
33:50
Speaker 1: it is going to get thrown out. That said to
33:53
Speaker 1: Charlie Langston when the murder charge comes down, the accusation,
33:59
Speaker 1: she's no law ran Florida. Right, No, she was not.
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Speaker 1: She was in Hawaii undergoing treatment at a rehabilitation center,
34:08
Speaker 1: rehab for what she was being treated for alcohol issues
34:11
Speaker 1: in PTSD. PTSD, Okay, take a listen to this. Police
34:17
Speaker 1: say this woman stabbed her boyfriend to death four months
34:20
Speaker 1: ago inside their apartment. Today she was picked up by
34:22
Speaker 1: US Marshalls in Hawaii. This is only fans model Courtney Cleanny.
34:28
Speaker 1: She's known for her pictures and her two million followers
34:31
Speaker 1: on Instagram, but Wednesday she posed for a very different picture,
34:36
Speaker 1: a new mug shot. She was arrested in Hawaii facing
34:39
Speaker 1: a murder charge, four months after police say she stabbed
34:43
Speaker 1: her boyfriend to death. Charlie likes to enjoining me at
34:46
Speaker 1: aitora female at delimail dot com. What can you tell
34:50
Speaker 1: me about text messages that have been sent by the
34:56
Speaker 1: suspect Courtney Taylor Clanny, the only fans star sit to
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Speaker 1: her by her mother. In the warrant documents that were issued,
35:06
Speaker 1: it states that plenty of received text messages from her mother,
35:11
Speaker 1: who was on the phone with her when part of
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Speaker 1: this argument went down, saying that she should mention self
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Speaker 1: defense to the police officers and that she should not
35:21
Speaker 1: speak to any investigators without an attorney present. Wow, okay, deal,
35:28
Speaker 1: here you go man, you got a tall order. John
35:30
Speaker 1: w Deal joining US high high profile lawyer. What do
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Speaker 1: you do when your client's mommy tecks? Hey? Try self defense?
35:39
Speaker 1: And yet another problem there? I guess you know. I
35:43
Speaker 1: hope would be that somehow the mom could justify into
35:46
Speaker 1: a history of violence that she gets aware of. But
35:49
Speaker 1: it's really bad when you say in the same line
35:51
Speaker 1: as don't talk to investigators, as they mentioned self defense,
35:54
Speaker 1: that get another problem for the defense. Yeahuys, apparently this
35:58
Speaker 1: had been going on for some time. That's very difficult
36:01
Speaker 1: for many people to believe that the female can actually
36:05
Speaker 1: be the aggressor, like Jodi Arius or Shana Hubers. Take
36:09
Speaker 1: a listen to our cut ten. This just Shannon Ryan
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Speaker 1: at Fox seven behind closed doors. We just started hearing
36:17
Speaker 1: some shouting, yelling. We don't know who was starting what.
36:21
Speaker 1: We didn't get a lot of contacts. Occasionally we would
36:24
Speaker 1: hear some glasses break and some banging on the walls, floors.
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Speaker 1: Not sure you know who was doing it. Thursday, authorities
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Speaker 1: in Florida charging his Whisky's former neighbor, twenty six year
36:34
Speaker 1: old social media store Courtney Clinney, was stabbing her boyfriend,
36:38
Speaker 1: Christian Toby of him Sally to death. I just want
36:41
Speaker 1: people to know that it had been going on for
36:42
Speaker 1: a long time and it definitely could have been stopped.
36:45
Speaker 1: So to you, Karen Stark, the friends know the neighbors know,
36:50
Speaker 1: but yet nothing changed, and now a twenty seven year
36:54
Speaker 1: old man, the prime of his life is dead. It's dead, Nancy,
36:58
Speaker 1: And it's just heartbreaking when you think about the circumstances.
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Speaker 1: And I don't believe for one minute that this was
37:05
Speaker 1: self defense, especially she's implicating herself. I'm not a lawyer,
37:10
Speaker 1: but she's saying, I'm so sorry, baby, and I'm so
37:15
Speaker 1: sorry that Why would she be so sorry if this
37:18
Speaker 1: guy was really going after her? And also if the
37:21
Speaker 1: guy is still alive, I would think she'd be trying
37:23
Speaker 1: to call nine one one and then try to somehow
37:27
Speaker 1: stave the blood flows, stop it. Well, from what I
37:30
Speaker 1: know right now, Charlie lanks to joining me dalimil dot com.
37:33
Speaker 1: She has been extradited from Hawaii. She is back in Florida,
37:38
Speaker 1: and the victim's family is calling for the only fans
37:43
Speaker 1: star to get life behind bars, if not the death penalty. Yes,
37:48
Speaker 1: they are absolutely furious, understandably so, about how this whole
37:52
Speaker 1: case has been handled. They don't understand why she was
37:55
Speaker 1: allowed to be to be let go back in April
37:59
Speaker 1: when this, you know, horrific incident occurred. They are now
38:03
Speaker 1: saying that she deserved life in prison, that this was
38:05
Speaker 1: a heinous act of violence, it would not self defense. Meanwhile,
38:10
Speaker 1: she is calling for album Sally's body to be dug
38:14
Speaker 1: up so that it can be re examined for evidence
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Speaker 1: that she says, will prove this was an act of
38:20
Speaker 1: self defense. Okay, she hasn't done enough already. Now she
38:23
Speaker 1: wants his body dug up. Jessica Morgan very quickly. If
38:27
Speaker 1: this were a case of self defense, what would you
38:30
Speaker 1: expect to find on her body? Well, you're going to
38:33
Speaker 1: have bruises on her I found it very curious. You know,
38:36
Speaker 1: she had made mention of the fact that he had
38:39
Speaker 1: grabbed her by the throat, and many times when you
38:42
Speaker 1: see this, particularly a diminutive person, where you have a big,
38:45
Speaker 1: powerful person that grabs him by the throat, you'll see
38:48
Speaker 1: an area of contusion on her throat at that point
38:51
Speaker 1: in time. Did they do that exam at that particular time?
38:54
Speaker 1: Were there any bruises on her hands, broken nails, anything
38:58
Speaker 1: like that. I'd be curious to see if they had
38:59
Speaker 1: exam m her in Miami at that particular time. Well,
39:03
Speaker 1: she won't be on only fans for a while unless
39:06
Speaker 1: she does it from behind bars. We wait As justice
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Speaker 1: and falls Fancy Grace Crimbs story signing off Goodbye Friend,