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Ep.524: Foundations - Does Anyone Really Need a New Bow? · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
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  Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Tony Peterson. Welcome to the wire to Hunt Foundations podcast,
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  Speaker 1: which is brought to you by First Light. Today's episode
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  Speaker 1: is all about bows, but also the fundamental question of
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  Speaker 1: whether an upgrade is really necessary for you or not.
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  Speaker 1: In the not too distant past, I spent a decade
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  Speaker 1: of my life as the equipment editor for bow Hunter
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  Speaker 1: Magazine and bow Hunter TV. That gig was pretty amazing
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  Speaker 1: from the perspective of getting new hunting gear and being
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  Speaker 1: able to try it out in a wide variety of scenarios.
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  Speaker 1: It was also an eye opener on many fronts, not
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  Speaker 1: the least of which was setting up and hunting with
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  Speaker 1: like six or seven brand new bows every year. As
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  Speaker 1: you can imagine, that will shape your opinion on bow technology,
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  Speaker 1: bow fit, and whether it's worth it the upgrade every
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  Speaker 1: year or every couple of years, or only as often
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  Speaker 1: as Haley's comments swings through the night sky and signals
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  Speaker 1: that random cult leaders and their followers should drink the
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  Speaker 1: poison cool aid and head off to Narnia or wherever
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  Speaker 1: they go. This episode is all about new boats, whether
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  Speaker 1: they are actually worth it or not. Before the Rhona
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  Speaker 1: swept across the globe and change how we all gathered
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  Speaker 1: together for various events. I did a lot of speaking
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  Speaker 1: engagements and a lot of outdoor shows. As you can imagine,
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  Speaker 1: my seminar topics nearly always centered on white tail hunting,
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  Speaker 1: usually white tail hunting on public land or something similar.
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  Speaker 1: When you've got an hour to speak, you learn pretty
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  Speaker 1: quickly that about forty five minutes is a good run
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  Speaker 1: time and for the actual seminar, because you'll need to
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  Speaker 1: answer some questions afterwards. Oftentimes fifteen minutes for that isn't
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  Speaker 1: really enough, but it does give you a glimpse into
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  Speaker 1: what the crowd is thinking, and when you deal with
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  Speaker 1: a lot of crowds, you get a pretty good glimpse
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  Speaker 1: on what the average white tail hunter is actually thinking.
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  Speaker 1: The questions that come up immediately after a deer seminar,
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  Speaker 1: they almost always involve gear. People ask, you know, what
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  Speaker 1: broadhead do you shoot, what's the best decoy, what's the
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  Speaker 1: best dear scent? And of course the question that comes
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  Speaker 1: up every single time, what bow do you shoot? Now
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  Speaker 1: this is a loaded question, my friends, kind of like
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  Speaker 1: are you a forward or chevy guy? Or what's the
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  Speaker 1: best bird dog breed? To get? The thing about bows,
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  Speaker 1: at least modern compound bows is they mostly all look
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  Speaker 1: the same. They mostly all advertise pretty similar features and
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  Speaker 1: performance specs. They mostly all carry a similar price tag,
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  Speaker 1: which would make Fred Bear roll over in his grave.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the thing, though, bow choice, It's highly subjective. Even
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  Speaker 1: if you had unlimited funds and could buy whatever bow
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  Speaker 1: you wanted every year, if you were real honest with yourself,
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  Speaker 1: you'd probably brand hop. What I mean by that is
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  Speaker 1: you probably wouldn't become a fanboy of anyone brand if
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  Speaker 1: you could shoot the newly released flagship models set up
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  Speaker 1: here specs every year. My mother in law, who is
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  Speaker 1: partially a resident of this planet and partially a resident
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  Speaker 1: of some alien world that is totally untethered from reality,
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  Speaker 1: she likes to get hunt. Hell. My whole family is
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  Speaker 1: obsessed with finding eggets and other cool rocks. We are
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  Speaker 1: just rock hounds through and through, I guess. And while
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  Speaker 1: we're walking a lake shore with sore necks, while staring
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  Speaker 1: at the ground straining to see a hint of reddish
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  Speaker 1: purplish translucents that might indicate an egg it. My mother
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  Speaker 1: in law likes to say things like, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: believe the aggets choose you. Maybe those pockets of water
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  Speaker 1: or air that formed in magma over a billion years
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  Speaker 1: ago and then filled in with silica and other minerals,
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  Speaker 1: one layer at a time to eventually form these cool
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  Speaker 1: rocks with concentric lines like topographic maps, and then took
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  Speaker 1: a wild ride along the rise and follow the dinosaurs,
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  Speaker 1: and then much later beneath the crushing weight of the
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  Speaker 1: glaciers as they crawled their way down from Canada, only
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  Speaker 1: to eventually melt and recede, leaving us with thousands of
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  Speaker 1: lakes in a landscape greatly altered. Maybe they're just there
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  Speaker 1: for us to find, and once in a while we do,
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  Speaker 1: and that's just cool. They don't pick us. We picked them,
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  Speaker 1: just like we do with our bows. Yet I get
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  Speaker 1: where Mrs fruit Loop is coming from, because when you
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  Speaker 1: shoot a lot of bows, it does feel like one
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  Speaker 1: model will choose you. This is where the bow buying
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  Speaker 1: process gets interesting. Since I don't know you, I'll give
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  Speaker 1: you my preferences of the bows that tend to choose me.
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  Speaker 1: They're almost always built with a very smooth draw cycle
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  Speaker 1: a really solid back wall. They almost always measure about
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  Speaker 1: thirty to thirty three inches between axles and are not
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  Speaker 1: engineered for and foremost to generate blistering aerospeeds. They're usually
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  Speaker 1: engineered for that great intangible that is shootability, where accuracy
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  Speaker 1: and comfort are king. I'm a white tailed guy, mostly
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  Speaker 1: as most of you are. So chasing high readings on
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  Speaker 1: a chronograph. It's not really my thing. I don't care
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  Speaker 1: how fast my bows are ever, or I'll put it
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  Speaker 1: that in another way. I guess the bows that are
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  Speaker 1: out there right now, hell, that have been built in
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  Speaker 1: the last decade, they're all plenty fast. If they're well tuned,
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  Speaker 1: they will put two holes in the biggest bucks, provided
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  Speaker 1: you hold your pin where you're supposed to, and you
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  Speaker 1: shoot decent arrows tipped with decent broadheads. I was only
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  Speaker 1: going to brush over this speed thing, but I just
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  Speaker 1: can't do it. I won't do it. It seems I've
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  Speaker 1: triggered myself, so here it goes. Sometimes scratch that. Oftentimes,
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  Speaker 1: to get those sexy ibo speeds that manufacturers can advertise,
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  Speaker 1: they've got to build bows in a certain way. They
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  Speaker 1: tend to shorten the brace high which is the link
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  Speaker 1: between the throat of the grip and the string. The
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  Speaker 1: shorter of the brace height, the more time your arrow
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  Speaker 1: spends on the string getting pushed down range. There's also
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  Speaker 1: a cam component to the whole thing, with what you'll
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  Speaker 1: here described as aggressive cams. All this means for most
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  Speaker 1: of us is that the bow will be more likely
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  Speaker 1: to make that scary jump on you while you're aiming,
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  Speaker 1: but not when you're ready to shoot. We all know
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  Speaker 1: that butt pucker moment when you're calmly trying to float
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  Speaker 1: your pin across the target, or worse, waiting for a
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  Speaker 1: buck to step into your shooting lane, and then your
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  Speaker 1: bow starts to go and your shoulder has to get
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  Speaker 1: involved real quick. There's nothing that will take your mind
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  Speaker 1: right out of the shot process faster, and that's something
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  Speaker 1: that sticks with you. You don't forget that moment or
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  Speaker 1: that feeling, and it will sit like a little devil
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  Speaker 1: whispering in your ear whenever you draw, and especially when
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  Speaker 1: you draw and have to hold for longer than it
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  Speaker 1: usually takes you to get through your shot sequence. Personally,
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  Speaker 1: there are enough tiny fallen angels whispering in my ear.
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  Speaker 1: I don't need anymore Now, the good thing about boat
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  Speaker 1: designs and the end years behind them is that they've
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  Speaker 1: gotten way better since about like two thousand and seven,
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  Speaker 1: when we really decided speed was the end all to
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  Speaker 1: our bow needs. Bows today can achieve pretty impressive speeds
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  Speaker 1: without ripping your shoulders out or making it miserable to
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  Speaker 1: tune them. But there seems to be a sweet spot
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  Speaker 1: aerospeeds that falls well below the marketing speak, but it's
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  Speaker 1: still plenty high enough to do his job. I guess
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  Speaker 1: you know, maybe the biggest word of caution here is
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  Speaker 1: understand what's going on. If a manufacturer is really touting
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  Speaker 1: the speed aspect of the bow you're interested in, make
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  Speaker 1: sure to shoot that bow set up to your specs
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  Speaker 1: plenty before you swipe your credit card. Now, at this
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  Speaker 1: point it's probably prudent to talk about what makes a
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  Speaker 1: bow comfortable for you, not just what I like. But
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  Speaker 1: as I said earlier, we are strangers. So the best
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  Speaker 1: way to figure it out is to do what you
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  Speaker 1: can to shoot some different models. If you have a
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  Speaker 1: good relationship with a pro shop and they'll set up
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  Speaker 1: some bows for you, that's a huge plus. Use your release,
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  Speaker 1: the release you use hunting and shoot them with your
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  Speaker 1: eyes open, and then shoot them blank bail style at
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  Speaker 1: close range with your eyes closed. Ask yourself, how does
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  Speaker 1: it feel. Do you like the way the draw cycle
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  Speaker 1: feels as it rolls into the valley and eventually hits
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  Speaker 1: full draw. Is it a little squishy at full draw
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  Speaker 1: or is it rock solid? How does the grip feel?
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  Speaker 1: Is it bulky or slim which do you prefer? If
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  Speaker 1: it is bulky and you don't like that, can you
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  Speaker 1: take off the grip plates to make it slimmer. Now
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  Speaker 1: I'm not an Olympic caliber shooter, so take this for
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  Speaker 1: what it's worth. But I am pretty picky about grips.
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  Speaker 1: The slimmer the better for me. I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: make tons of hand contact with my grip. Ever, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want anything sticky or well grippy on my grip.
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  Speaker 1: To me, that part of the bow should touch just
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of my hand during the actual execution
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  Speaker 1: of the shot. And that applies to backyard shooting sessions
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  Speaker 1: and the rare times when I've got a hundred fifty
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  Speaker 1: buck walking on a trail by my stand. When you
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  Speaker 1: shoot some different bows, you start to get a feel
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  Speaker 1: for the draw cycle too, and for the grip. You'll
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  Speaker 1: see what dead in hand really means, but only if
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  Speaker 1: you shoot a bow that is truly dead in hand
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  Speaker 1: against one that isn't. This is one of those things
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  Speaker 1: that is easiest to get by experiencing it, and it matters.
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  Speaker 1: Some of the bows out there seemed to almost aim
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  Speaker 1: themselves and hold themselves on target, which is a pretty
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  Speaker 1: amazing thing. And this is what I want. I want
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  Speaker 1: to enjoy drawing and holding my bow and feel like
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  Speaker 1: it settles in so that my pin goes where it's
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  Speaker 1: supposed to. I don't know the magic behind the designs
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  Speaker 1: of those bows, but I know when I get my
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  Speaker 1: hands on one, it's no different from I don't shotguns
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  Speaker 1: in my experience. If you hand me pretty much any shotgun,
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  Speaker 1: I can probably wing shoot okay with it, but some
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  Speaker 1: just jive with me. I've got a little weather b
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  Speaker 1: O'Ryan over under twenty gauge that was mostly supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be a grouse and woodcock gun, but over the years
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  Speaker 1: has been with me for ducks and roosters and prairie
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  Speaker 1: chickens and quail and even a few turkeys, just because
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  Speaker 1: I love the feel of it and I shoot it
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  Speaker 1: so well, comes to the shoulder quickly, settles in nicely,
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  Speaker 1: and it's balanced just right. I'm sure your listeners who
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  Speaker 1: are heavy into guns can relate, whether it is a
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  Speaker 1: shotgun of your own or maybe your favorite deer rifle.
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  Speaker 1: The thing is that little twenty gage wouldn't cut it
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  Speaker 1: for everyone. There are plenty of people out there who
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  Speaker 1: would not shoot it that well and wouldn't appreciate the
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  Speaker 1: field because it didn't work for them the way it
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  Speaker 1: works for me. They need to find their own gun,
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  Speaker 1: just like we need to find our own bows. Your
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  Speaker 1: process it's definitely gonna be different than mine. Hell, maybe
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  Speaker 1: you love speed bows. Maybe you want to use one
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  Speaker 1: pin for every shot from five yards to fifty, or
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  Speaker 1: maybe you hate having big pin gaps, so you want
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  Speaker 1: blistering speeds and it's your number one priority. Or maybe
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  Speaker 1: you want comfort, but you have a different definition than
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  Speaker 1: I do. Either way, if you're even remotely into sitting
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  Speaker 1: a new rig, do yourself a favor. Forget your brand loyalty.
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  Speaker 1: Oh scratch that tamp down your brand loyalty. Cover up
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  Speaker 1: that white tattoo on your shoulder, Scratch that Matthew's decal
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  Speaker 1: off your truck. Do whatever, do whatever you have to
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  Speaker 1: do to be somewhat objective, because here's the thing. The
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  Speaker 1: best bow for you right now might not be made
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  Speaker 1: by the company that made your last best bow. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying brand loyalty isn't important, especially if you're
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  Speaker 1: concerned with customer service issues and some of the extras
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  Speaker 1: that go into making a big purchase like this. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm not advocating a switch just for the sake of it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, be open to the reality that a
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  Speaker 1: switch might be a good thing for you. And my
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  Speaker 1: time at bohn R magazine taught me that every bow
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  Speaker 1: manufacturer out there has the potential to make an amazing bow,
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  Speaker 1: but from year to year, the field might change, or
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  Speaker 1: the focus of the flagship design might change. That means
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  Speaker 1: the bow brand that I absolutely love last year just
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  Speaker 1: might not do it for me this year. This has
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  Speaker 1: happened to me a lot, and it has opened my eyes.
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  Speaker 1: Individual models matter, from brand to brand, and from year
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  Speaker 1: to year. It's easy to get caught up in the
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  Speaker 1: fanboy mentality, but maybe not the best idea all of
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  Speaker 1: the time. And of course, through this whole rambling nonsense,
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  Speaker 1: the same thing keeps bubbling to the surface. You gotta
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  Speaker 1: do some work to find out what works for you.
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  Speaker 1: And bow choice is important because that is the tool
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  Speaker 1: that we use to send sharp sticks through the air
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  Speaker 1: and hopefully deliver a merciful death to deer another game,
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  Speaker 1: a quick five to ten second death that results in
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  Speaker 1: no suffering and short, super sweet blood trails. That matters
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  Speaker 1: a lot. It also brings us around to the original question,
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  Speaker 1: the whole point of this podcast, which is do you
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  Speaker 1: really need a new bowl? Probably not, but that depends
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  Speaker 1: on how much you like your current rig. If you're
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  Speaker 1: in the market for a new one, is it just
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  Speaker 1: because you can't stand not spending an extra so or
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  Speaker 1: is it because you're not that happy with your current bow?
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  Speaker 1: Do you feel like you could be shooting better? What's
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  Speaker 1: your confidence level like at every range, but especially the
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  Speaker 1: far end of what you consider your effective range? That's important.
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  Speaker 1: Have you had some tuning issues that you just don't
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  Speaker 1: feel are fully resolved, or once they are resolved, keep
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  Speaker 1: coming back around after another couple hundred shots. Do you
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  Speaker 1: think your bow is too slow or too loud? Or
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  Speaker 1: did you shoot next to a buddy you as the
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  Speaker 1: latest and greatest and get just a bit jealous. Has
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  Speaker 1: it been one year or ten since you bought your
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  Speaker 1: last bow. These are all questions worth asking yourself, but
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  Speaker 1: I think the most important is are you enjoying shooting
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  Speaker 1: your current bow? Because if you have fun, it's usually
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  Speaker 1: because the bow is comfortable and it puts the arrows
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  Speaker 1: where they're supposed to go. Enjoyment matters in a few
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  Speaker 1: different other ways. To first off, if you're having fun,
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  Speaker 1: it means the bow is working the way you'd like
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  Speaker 1: it to. It also means that you probably shoot more,
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  Speaker 1: which is huge. If you're not enjoying shooting your bow
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  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, but usually because you're not as accurate
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  Speaker 1: with it as you'd like to be, then that's a
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  Speaker 1: red flag. There's something going on. That might be a
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  Speaker 1: simple tuning fix, or it might mean it's time to
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  Speaker 1: go shopping. Maybe you've gone a little stale in your
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  Speaker 1: practice regimen because you know your current bow is good
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  Speaker 1: at twenty thirty maybe forty yards, but you'd like to
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  Speaker 1: stretch that out and do some long distance shooting. Now
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  Speaker 1: this is a topic for a different podcast, but I
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  Speaker 1: think practicing at extended ranges it's mooe importante, Mi amigoes.
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  Speaker 1: Not only is it fun, but it's telling. It will
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  Speaker 1: highlight shooting form issues, tuning problems, and has the potential
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  Speaker 1: to give you loads of confidence, which is worth a lot.
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  Speaker 1: It'll make shooting sessions more enjoyable and helps to turn
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  Speaker 1: those close shots that you'll actually take on deer into
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  Speaker 1: much easier propositions. If you can shoot a paper plate
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  Speaker 1: group at I don't know, eighty yards, you don't have
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  Speaker 1: much of a reason to miss a white tail's vital
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  Speaker 1: at twenty. It feels that way too if you happen
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  Speaker 1: to practice a lot of extended ranges, so maybe a
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  Speaker 1: new bow would open up that world to you. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: you've got a lot to think about, but also a
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  Speaker 1: lot of time. If you're kicking around the idea of
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  Speaker 1: a new bow, this is a great time of year
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  Speaker 1: to start your research. It's a great time to head
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  Speaker 1: to the pro shop to gauge how serious you really are.
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  Speaker 1: It might lead to new purchase or make you realize
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  Speaker 1: you're good enough with your current rig. Either way, if
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  Speaker 1: you've got to itch to explore the possibility, scratch it now,
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  Speaker 1: well before the serious summertime practice sessions kick off and
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  Speaker 1: your local pro shop turns into a madhouse with the
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  Speaker 1: chaos of the preseason, and be sure to tune in
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  Speaker 1: next week as I shift gears to a topic that
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  Speaker 1: every one of us has devoted some thought too over
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  Speaker 1: the years, buying deer ground. Even if you think you
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: could never afford a single acre of recreational property, I
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  Speaker 1: think you should give it a listen because that was
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  Speaker 1: the camp I was in for a long time before
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  Speaker 1: I got out of it without going totally broke, which
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  Speaker 1: is what I'm going to talk about next week. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's it for this week, my friends. I'm Tony Peterson
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  Speaker 1: and this has been the Wire to Hunt Foundations podcast,
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  Speaker 1: which is brought to you by First Light. As I always,
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening and for all of
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