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The Mindset of Shooters, LEOs, and How You Need To Prepare · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  Speaker 1: And we begin the third hour. I can't believe the
• 0:04
  Speaker 1: third hour. I just said that it's September now here
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  Speaker 1: on the Morning Show with Preston Scott took a little
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  Speaker 1: time away. Great to come back, Jose over there in
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  Speaker 1: Studio one A. I am here in Studio one B,
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  Speaker 1: and I am joined by once again three in a row.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: How you doing j D. Johnson with me, co founder
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  Speaker 1: of the Talent Trading Group.
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  Speaker 2: I'm good, Harry.
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  Speaker 1: You you know this. You know the old word, the
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  Speaker 1: saying better than I deserve. Yeah, boy, that's true. Beautiful day. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: yeah it is.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's it's my time of year coming. Man.
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  Speaker 1: We're getting there.
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  Speaker 2: Boy.
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  Speaker 1: I felt it a couple of weeks ago, a little
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  Speaker 1: coolness in the morning, and uh yeah, I can't wait
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  Speaker 1: for the weather to change. But I know it's also
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  Speaker 1: going to be another probably month and a half or
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  Speaker 1: two months. Hey, but I'll take a little taste, your
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  Speaker 1: little taste here and there. It's not bad now, it's
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  Speaker 1: the weather change. Bring about. What what are the seasons
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  Speaker 1: you are most looking forward to? Dove or deer or yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: anything everything. Have you ever gone hunting for bear?
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  Speaker 2: No, no desire, No.
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  Speaker 1: Because it's not a food source, there's no point.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I've talked to a lot of people that hunt
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  Speaker 2: bear and eat bear, and about half of them say
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  Speaker 2: it's a horrible, nasty, greasy whatever they've ever had, and
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  Speaker 2: then the other oh, it's good.
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  Speaker 1: And I just I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I've been mad enough at bears for destroying like local
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  Speaker 2: locally here, trying to hunt in an environment where there
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  Speaker 2: are bears living. They destroy anything they can get to,
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  Speaker 2: tree stands, seats off of four wheelers where they can
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  Speaker 2: smell something, right, yeah, or the salt or well, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. They I had one just completely destroy a
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  Speaker 2: climbing tree stand that I left hung on the tree.
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  Speaker 1: And you're talking about a black bear, yes.
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  Speaker 2: And feeders, corn feeders are you know, deer feeders? They
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  Speaker 2: will destroy. They're just very destructive. And I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if it's them just playing or they're mad or what.
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  Speaker 1: But now, later at the end of the show today,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to describe how I ruined the ultimate final
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  Speaker 1: episode of A loan for my wife that we record
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  Speaker 1: and watch, and we've watched the whole season. Do you
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  Speaker 1: ever watch alone?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I love it. I think it's the best show on television.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever thought to yourself, if you're in grizzly
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  Speaker 1: bear territory like they put these people sometimes, if you
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  Speaker 1: had an encounter with a grizzly bear and you shot
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  Speaker 1: the flare and you did the spray, and you did
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  Speaker 1: everything you could, what would you do if it didn't work?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, but clean up all five. I honestly,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to be in grizzly bear territory without
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  Speaker 2: a pretty good sized fire arm. I'll just just say it.
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  Speaker 1: I just I look at these guys and they've got
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  Speaker 1: bows and arrows, and they're in some of these situations
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  Speaker 1: like this last episode, they were allowed to hunt bears
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  Speaker 1: if they had a bear. But I'm thinking to myself,
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  Speaker 1: how are you going to kill a bear with a
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  Speaker 1: bow and arrow?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can do that, but they get mad if
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  Speaker 1: you miss, if you hit the wrong spot yeah, or
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  Speaker 1: hit the wrong spot yeah. But you can kill with
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  Speaker 1: a bear with a bow and arrow.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely. My nephew goes to Montana Tech. He's going
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  Speaker 2: to mining school, and he's.
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  Speaker 1: Gonna be able to teach him about that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Well. He's also a big fly fisherman. He trout fishes
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  Speaker 2: in the streams up there. So he carries a he
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  Speaker 2: carries a glock model twenty ten millimeter. They just had
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  Speaker 2: it Montana Tech. They were having they put out a
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  Speaker 2: warning to all the students one of these, Like you
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  Speaker 2: get the active shooter notifications in college campuses and stuff
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  Speaker 2: for bears on campus.
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  Speaker 1: Well, a ten millimeters stop a bear.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that is probably one of the most popular.
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  Speaker 1: Versus a three fifty seven or forty four.
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  Speaker 2: It's more powerful than a three fifty seven. Yeah, with
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  Speaker 2: the right with the right load in there, it's very
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  Speaker 2: much capable of that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you, speaking of loads. If I ever saw.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, clean up our five like and it's six in.
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  Speaker 1: Aisle six as well. All Right, we're gonna come back.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna get the more serious things in the news,
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  Speaker 1: and it's our personal defense segment. Jad Johnson he's co
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  Speaker 1: host of Talent Outdoors, which you can hear on this
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  Speaker 1: fine radio station on the weekends on Saturday and you
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  Speaker 1: can subscribe on the iHeartRadio app. Thank you very much,
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  Speaker 1: and of course the co founder of the talent training
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  Speaker 1: group More to Come. He is JD. Johnson and one
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  Speaker 1: of the two experts we rely on to talk personal
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  Speaker 1: defense here on the program, and JD and I were
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  Speaker 1: talking before the hour about the shooter in Nashville who
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  Speaker 1: always be nameless in my world, she identifying as a
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  Speaker 1: He wrote this massive, ninety page manifesto, and quite candidly,
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  Speaker 1: I'm fine with investigators looking inside of that. I don't
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  Speaker 1: care myself at all. Doesn't matter to me, So I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going to really reference any part of that manifesto
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  Speaker 1: other than it speaks to the mental illness that I
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  Speaker 1: believe people in that situation find themselves in. But let's
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  Speaker 1: back up and go big picture. What are your thoughts
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  Speaker 1: on where we are overall in the state of Florida
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  Speaker 1: with school.
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  Speaker 2: Security much better than we were, Marjorie Stoeman Douglas. We've
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  Speaker 2: come a long way because of a lot of the
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  Speaker 2: findings of of the.
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  Speaker 1: Group that studied that, the commission. The commission made up
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  Speaker 1: of parents, yea. And what's said is there are some
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  Speaker 1: that were part of that that have tried to go
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  Speaker 1: on an anti gun crew, sayed, but the findings of
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  Speaker 1: the commission, yeah, was not the findings of the case exactly.
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  Speaker 1: They've tried to parlay that. But even even the state
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  Speaker 1: legislature doesn't have it right yet.
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  Speaker 2: No, they're taking correction necessary. Uh you know with.
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  Speaker 1: So what are we doing better and what needs to improve? Well,
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  Speaker 1: what we're doing better is we have we have more
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  Speaker 1: armed people, more armed and trained people in the schools
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  Speaker 1: in different school districts, different counties are doing different things.
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  Speaker 1: Are they doing different levels of protection?
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say different levels of protection, They're going about
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  Speaker 2: getting guardians in the school in a different way. Depending
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  Speaker 2: on where you are. In Leon County, you have hired
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  Speaker 2: security people, hired hired police officers, hired school guardians in
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  Speaker 2: the schools here.
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  Speaker 1: Do we have enough?
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  Speaker 2: Probably not, because that limits that is expensive. That is
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  Speaker 2: a very expense thing when you're paying somebody, you know,
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  Speaker 2: X amount of dollars per hour to be there. They
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  Speaker 2: have training and equipment, all that stuff. So that's an
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  Speaker 2: expensive way of doing it. Some of the surrounding counties,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm not going to name them, but I'm very
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  Speaker 2: familiar with them. Some of them are doing what the
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  Speaker 2: Guardian program to me was really about when that was
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  Speaker 2: taking non instructional personnel at the school, training them and
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  Speaker 2: allowing them to carry a firearm in the school. And
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  Speaker 2: it may be It could be a administrator, it could
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  Speaker 2: be a janitor, it could be a maintenance s guy.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't doesn't really matter. It's just their school employee
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  Speaker 2: willing to go through the training and carry.
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  Speaker 1: There are some school districts I believe in North Carolina
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  Speaker 1: that have gone to putting inside a lock box throughout
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  Speaker 1: their schools ar fifteens.
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  Speaker 2: It ain't just in North Carolina, okay, but where they have.
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  Speaker 1: And then there are our staff members, including instructional that
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  Speaker 1: have gone through training that access that firearm if needed. Correct,
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  Speaker 1: you like that plan breaking in case of fire Yeah, exactly, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I do. I do, because you have no way of
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  Speaker 1: predicting if someone's willing to do this very heinous act
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  Speaker 1: of going into a school and.
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  Speaker 2: Shooting our children. There's no way of predicting what they're
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  Speaker 2: going to choose as a weapon.
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  Speaker 1: So would would you make the argument in favor of
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  Speaker 1: because I know at Talent Training you have in fact
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  Speaker 1: trained many teachers that are in various school districts in
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  Speaker 1: the surrounding area. They come, they're members, they're part of
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  Speaker 1: and they take training seriously. Would you be in favor
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  Speaker 1: of instructional personnel being allowed to carry Yes, absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: I would. I personally know some of the teachers at
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  Speaker 2: my kids school, and I would be very, very happy
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  Speaker 2: to know that that person had a means of defending
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  Speaker 2: my child, because if they don't have a means of
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  Speaker 2: defending my child, they're just another victim.
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  Speaker 1: And there's only so much you can do. Throwing a
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  Speaker 1: book at somebody or blocking a door with a chair
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  Speaker 1: maybe correct. That's not truly fighting back. That's doing the
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  Speaker 1: best you can of what you have to work with,
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  Speaker 1: but it's not truly an effective defense. Twenty one minutes
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  Speaker 1: past the hour The Morning Show with Preston Scott. I
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  Speaker 1: want to use this story Jad Johnson with me. Spent
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  Speaker 1: a bulk of his career in law enforcement and can Lee.
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  Speaker 1: We rely on that. You know, it plays a significant
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  Speaker 1: role in informing our ideas on some of the things.
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  Speaker 1: But here's the headline. Dallas Police Department officer Darren Burk's
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  Speaker 1: executed in targeted attack. And this happened just over the
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  Speaker 1: last few days. He was literally targeted. He was sitting
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  Speaker 1: in his car, someone came up, started a conversation, drew
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  Speaker 1: back a step, pulled a high handgun, and before he
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  Speaker 1: could do anything, his life was over. I want you
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  Speaker 1: to just kind of explain to our listeners, and I
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  Speaker 1: want to target JD people that don't seem to have
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  Speaker 1: much patience with being pulled over, with being stopped or
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  Speaker 1: asked a question, the role and what is going through
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  Speaker 1: a law enforcement officer's mind as they come up to
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  Speaker 1: just the most simple basic call.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I here's what I have always told. I spent
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  Speaker 2: a lot of my career as a training officer, teaching, teaching,
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  Speaker 2: training new officers, and sad to say, but the one
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  Speaker 2: of the things that you tried to get across to
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  Speaker 2: new trainees or new recruits is that you don't ever
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  Speaker 2: know every You have to go into every encounter with
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  Speaker 2: every citizen, like with with the mindset that this person
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  Speaker 2: might try to kill me. Because that's just the fact.
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  Speaker 2: That's the reality of being in law enforcement, which is
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  Speaker 2: it takes a toll over the years. It takes a
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  Speaker 2: toll on law enforcement officers if they're doing it the
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  Speaker 2: right way, and it's it's it's difficult, especially for people,
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  Speaker 2: especially for people like me. I tend to like everybody.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of a gregarious person and I enjoy people
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  Speaker 2: and that stuff, right, But to have to have that
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  Speaker 2: in your mind that this next person that I go
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  Speaker 2: deal with might try to hurt me. It is difficult
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  Speaker 2: for a lot of people to wrap their head around,
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  Speaker 2: and they get lacksadaisical. You know, somebody, if I was
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  Speaker 2: parked somewhere right in report and somebody started walking up
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  Speaker 2: to my vehicle, I'm not gonna sit there in the car.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to get out immediately. You know, I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to be at that disadvantage because sitting in the
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  Speaker 2: driver's seat of a car is it's difficult to draw
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  Speaker 2: a firearm sitting in the car, you know, unless you'd
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  Speaker 2: really practice it a lot. And even then it's still.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's awkward. Everything's awkward. You're limited in.
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  Speaker 2: Space, correct, You got seat belts strapped on the you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you don't take your seat belt off, it's covering
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  Speaker 2: the gun on one side. Or if you're left handed
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  Speaker 2: like me, you're up against this, up against the door,
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  Speaker 2: and it's whatever. So somebody starts walking up the car,
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  Speaker 2: you get out, so at least you're on even ground.
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  Speaker 2: But now that's just one of those things that you
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  Speaker 2: can't let your guard down from the time you leave
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  Speaker 2: home till the time you get back home, you cannot
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  Speaker 2: leave you, you know, let your guard down at all.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever heard me go on
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  Speaker 1: the monologue, but because of my brother's background and you know,
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  Speaker 1: I just I try to get people to understand that
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  Speaker 1: until you've been in a job where walking by your
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  Speaker 1: cubbies at work every single day, there's a chance that
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  Speaker 1: somebody there is going to pull a gun and shoot
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  Speaker 1: you in the face or in the back or wherever,
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  Speaker 1: you can't understand what it's like to just do the routine,
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  Speaker 1: simple job of asking for someone's driver's license. You just
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  Speaker 1: don't you don't get it. And so just I guess
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  Speaker 1: my point that I want to make here is this
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  Speaker 1: young man is and he wasn't all that young. He's
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  Speaker 1: forty six years old, lost his life and I think
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  Speaker 1: you just pointed out was probably made mistakes in allowing
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  Speaker 1: himself to get walked up on, and this casual conversation
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  Speaker 1: turned into a targeted shooting. But I want people to understand,
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  Speaker 1: don't get mad when people are doing their job.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And there's and and don't get me wrong,
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  Speaker 2: they're there. They are police officers. The vast majority of
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  Speaker 2: law enforcement officers are excellent people absolutely do their job well.
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  Speaker 2: There are bad apples in that profession, just like there
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  Speaker 2: are in every other any other profession. You can lossing
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  Speaker 2: people around or having the authority right. That's a really
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  Speaker 2: really really really small percentage of ulcers nationally, and most
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  Speaker 2: of the folks that are out there doing that job
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  Speaker 2: right now, and the men and women are out there
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  Speaker 2: right now are trying to make a difference and make
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  Speaker 2: our world better.
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  Speaker 1: Rule of thumb. If you are approaching a law enforcement
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  Speaker 1: officer or they are approaching you in your car, have
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  Speaker 1: your hands up empty invisible.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely keep your hands where they can be seen, either
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  Speaker 2: on the you know, ten and two on the steerwheel
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  Speaker 2: if you're sitting in the car. If you need to
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  Speaker 2: make any kind of movement to retrieve you know, documents
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  Speaker 2: or any of that wallet, any of that kind of stuff,
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  Speaker 2: let the offer. I'm gonna take my right hand and
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  Speaker 2: I'm reaching from you know, I'm going to My wallet
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  Speaker 2: is in my right rear pocket. I'm going to reach
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  Speaker 2: down there and get it when he asks to see it.
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  Speaker 1: And we're back. I had to do my homage to
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  Speaker 1: Charlie there JD. Johnson with me of the talent training group,
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  Speaker 1: our personal defense saving We picked stories out. Sometimes we
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  Speaker 1: just get to talking about different things, like we did
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  Speaker 1: Bears in the first and look, I'm a Packer fan,
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  Speaker 1: so talking about there is in a demeaning way just
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  Speaker 1: comes naturally to me. Sorry, we we just we we
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  Speaker 1: look at stories in the news and in this case,
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  Speaker 1: there's so many different rabbit trails we can go down.
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  Speaker 1: Another shooting in California, high profile person, Ricky Piersall, a
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  Speaker 1: wide receiver, played at the University of Florida. A lot
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: of listeners in the program Gator fans. They'll know the guy,
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  Speaker 1: great wide receiver, first round pick of San Francisco in
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  Speaker 1: the recent draft, and he got shot. He's lucky to
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  Speaker 1: be alive in a robbery attempt. They get into a scuffle.
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  Speaker 1: It's the afternoon Union Square, very highly populated area, though
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  Speaker 1: not as much as it used to be. He decided
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  Speaker 1: to fight, though.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't I don't know that I own
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  Speaker 2: any any material object that's worth hurting somebody or getting
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  Speaker 2: hurt over. You know, it's different defending, you know, if
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  Speaker 2: probably you know, the articles said it look like he
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  Speaker 2: might have been wearing a roll lex that'll get you
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  Speaker 2: robbed in a lot of places. You know, you're wearing
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  Speaker 2: wearing expensive you know, if you don't know, if you
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  Speaker 2: looked at the cost of Rolexes lately, but oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 2: you a ten thousand dollars watches.
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  Speaker 1: Put on the Cassio. Yeah, put on the.
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  Speaker 2: Put on exactly G shot, put on the G shot
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  Speaker 2: kid or the Samsung watch or whatever. You know, when
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  Speaker 2: you're out in public, maybe I don't, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: But when you're confronted by somebody with a gun and
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  Speaker 1: you don't have a gun or any other means of
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  Speaker 1: fighting back other than getting you don't want to bring
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  Speaker 1: a fist fight to a gun fight, you know kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Give them the watch man, get insurance on it, give
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  Speaker 2: them the watch. Avoid the conflict if possible. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the time to fight is when you have no other alternative.
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  Speaker 2: It's the bottom line. And and it's not that I'm
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  Speaker 2: vehemently opposed to violence. I'm pretty good at violence, not
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  Speaker 2: opposed to it. But there's a time and place for it.
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  Speaker 2: And and you know, the money in your wallet might
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  Speaker 2: not be worth it.
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  Speaker 1: JD. Is it too simplistic to say you resort to
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  Speaker 1: that when the odds are in your favor absolutely, or
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  Speaker 1: your life is in jeopardy, or the life of a
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  Speaker 1: loved one.
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  Speaker 2: Yes to both. That that's it, I mean yes to both.
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  Speaker 2: You you if you don't ever want to get into
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  Speaker 2: If somebody's already got their gun in their hand and
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  Speaker 2: you do not, that is a very difficult situation that
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  Speaker 2: you're in compliance and compliance even if you're carrying. Even
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  Speaker 2: if you're carrying, they've got the drop on, got the
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  Speaker 2: drop on you, just like you see in the old
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  Speaker 2: cowboy days. That's that's you know, Mexican stands off standoffs
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  Speaker 2: as they call them in the movies, is not a
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  Speaker 2: good situation. It's even worse if you don't have your
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  Speaker 2: gun out. I mean you have to. You know, discretion
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  Speaker 2: is a better part of valor at that point. So
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  Speaker 2: you know, there there are some distraction techniques that we
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  Speaker 2: teach and they may or may not work. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you may get lucky, and there may be the environment
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  Speaker 2: it may give you a distraction that allows you to
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  Speaker 2: even the odds or to turn the situation around. But
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  Speaker 2: there's times when you just need to comply, you know,
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  Speaker 2: as opposed to getting hurt.
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  Speaker 1: Live he's lucky for another day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's very lucky getting shot in the torso getting
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  Speaker 2: shot in the chest and surviving.
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  Speaker 1: He's lucky it went through the side a little further
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  Speaker 1: away from his heart. Yeah, it just went through a lot.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's just good Lord looking out for him. That's
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: all that bowls down to.
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  Speaker 1: Wherever you may be, from Florida Sunshine State to California.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I scratch that. California is hopeless. For the rest, We're
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  Speaker 1: Our final segment here, let's take that story and harlay
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: that into maybe some training advice. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 1: we all sort of systematically train at the seven yards
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  Speaker 1: and take our time and look at the paper target.
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  Speaker 1: But most of the time, when these things happen, that's
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  Speaker 1: not the way it's going to unfold. Correct.
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  Speaker 2: The vast majority it's going to occur within armstrenge, within
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  Speaker 2: the personal distance.
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  Speaker 1: How do you safely train for that kind of thing?
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  Speaker 1: And what would you advise people to work on?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the biggest thing most people need to work on
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  Speaker 2: because we in Florida have to carry concealed. There's no
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  Speaker 2: open carry. And I'm really not an advocate.
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  Speaker 1: For open care even if we had it, even if
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  Speaker 1: we had from a tactical perspective, because why from a
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  Speaker 1: tactical perspective, because it's too easy for somebody to take
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  Speaker 1: your gun away from you when you're not paying attention.
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  Speaker 1: Theres somebody that carried a gun openly for twenty seven years.
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  Speaker 1: It was constantly on my mind about my body position,
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  Speaker 1: and even though my gun was in a security holster,
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  Speaker 1: it was a constant thing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you could.
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  Speaker 1: Be a magnet for a bad guy. I was just
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  Speaker 1: looking for a gun.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely basically in CITs. Yeah, depending on you know, and
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  Speaker 2: I go to places where open carry is prevalent, and
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: some of the way I see people carrying guns, it's
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  Speaker 2: just ridiculous. You know, no security holster, no no snap,
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  Speaker 2: no lock device on the holster or anything. So back
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  Speaker 2: to back to what I was saying, if you're carrying concealed,
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  Speaker 2: you need to practice drawing and firing from concealment. However
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: it is you carry. That's the big thing. Is getting
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: your clothing or your garment or whatever device a bag.
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  Speaker 2: However you're using it, you need to be practicing that way.
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  Speaker 2: See people all the time. They have a carry, they
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: have a carry system that they're using, they're comfortable with.
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  Speaker 2: They show up to the rain to trage and they're
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: to train and they're wearing outside the waistpan magazines exposed
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  Speaker 2: in a mag pouch, more like a duty duty belt
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  Speaker 2: that a police officer would wear. Well, the shooting part
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  Speaker 2: of the training is great. The getting to the shooting
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  Speaker 2: part of the training is not so great because they're
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  Speaker 2: changing the system that they're that they're used to carry in.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the first thing, and a lot of that
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  Speaker 2: can be accomplished. Empty gun, dry fire practice at the house,
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  Speaker 2: drive fire training at the house. The second one is
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  Speaker 2: you can some kind of a distraction technique. You have
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  Speaker 2: something in your hand. You know, somebody asks for your wallet,
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  Speaker 2: don't necessarily always hand it to them, Act like you're scared,
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  Speaker 2: Try to maybe drop the wallet. Make them. You know,
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  Speaker 2: they may make you. If they're smart. The bad guys
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: are smart, they may make you. They may step back.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: If they're well trained, they may step back and make
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: you pick it up and hand it to them again.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: If they're trying to rob you of your wallet. So,
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  Speaker 2: but if they're not drop it, make them bend over,
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  Speaker 2: look away, pick it up. That may give you an
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: opportunity to escape or fight back effectively. Would you advise
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  Speaker 2: escaping if you can, I'm willing to, you know, throw
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  Speaker 2: the wallet on the and take off.
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  Speaker 1: There's some couch commandos listening right now, and they would say, okay, good,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I will throw them the car keys, will throw them
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  Speaker 1: the wallet. And when they turn to get them, because
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: they're not sophisticated, I'm going to draw a fire. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: if they've got a gun, you're legally entitled to do that.
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  Speaker 1: If that's the way you want to go, absolutely you are. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: you're still right then in a fifty to fifty gun fight.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, and that's that's a hotch percentage chance of losing.
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  Speaker 1: That's not odds in your favor yet, correct?
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  Speaker 2: Correct? Correct? You know? I mean, if, like I said,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: getting away, getting away unscathed should be the number one goal,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: not not necessarily winning the scenario.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, at the range, what's the
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: safest way to practice where you're not fully presenting your
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: firearm but you're shooting right out of the draw. Not
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: necessarily aiming, but close quarters.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Well, that's that's what we call the close quarter
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: retention position, where your elbow is basically, your arm is
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  Speaker 2: in an L shape of an L with your with
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  Speaker 2: your gun oriented towards the target not presented out in
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  Speaker 2: front of you. The close quarter retention position, the gun's
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: kind of your gun and your arm are tucked in
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  Speaker 2: towards your body, and you're oriented. You can you know,
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  Speaker 2: we tend to aim with the whole center line of
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  Speaker 2: our body. So if you bring that gun over to
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  Speaker 2: the center line of your body and square up on
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: the target, chances are you're going to hit that target
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  Speaker 2: at three feet right. Absolutely, if you've never practiced that way,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: it takes a little bit of practice to lock your elbow.
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  Speaker 1: Lock's safe range distance.
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  Speaker 2: At a paper target contact.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So you can be as close as you need
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: at the gun range to a payper target absolutely, Okay.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: There's a little to no chance of anything going wrong,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: so that maybe you'll feel the concussion. Sure, we train
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: at arm's length away when we're teaching that close quarter stuff.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: You can reach out with your arm and touch the target.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Good stuff, Thanks as oways, Yes, sir, thank you. Always
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: good to see you.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Sir j D.
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