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The Breakfast Club is Too White?? Evita + Rachel Campos-Duffy (Ep.184) · V

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  Speaker 1: The Breakfast Club is one of those nostalgic films that
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  Speaker 1: parents loved growing up and kids still enjoy years later.
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  Speaker 1: It is timeless. It is iconic. Five kids stuck in
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  Speaker 1: detention on a Saturday. The jock, the princess, the criminal,
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  Speaker 1: the basket case, the brain. The movie expertly captures the
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  Speaker 1: texture of middle-class American adolescence in a way that feels
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  Speaker 1: both intimate and honest. The entire film unfolds in a
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  Speaker 1: single suburban high school. Got the beige walls, linoleum floors,
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  Speaker 1: fluorescent lighting. None of it is sort of cinematic by design.
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  Speaker 1: It feels very real. It feels very lived in. And
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  Speaker 1: that visual flatness becomes the backdrop for the film's emotional depth.
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  Speaker 1: There's no dramatic score, no sweeping shots, just silence, awkwardness,
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  Speaker 1: and conversation. It's high school. And It's that stark normalcy
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  Speaker 1: that makes the film feel so rooted in its time
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  Speaker 1: and place. The dialogue itself is where the film's realism
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  Speaker 1: comes alive. These aren't polished, witty teens like in later
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  Speaker 1: high school films or TV shows. They're insecure, fumbling, often
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  Speaker 1: kind of mean. Bender mocks Claire's wealth, Brian's virginity, with
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  Speaker 1: the kind of pointed cruelty that only a bored teenager
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  Speaker 1: can weaponize. Andrew vents about his father's obsession with toughness,
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  Speaker 1: Claire tries to defend her popularity, and Allison dumps her
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  Speaker 1: purse just to be seen. They each talk around their
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  Speaker 1: pain using sarcasm, bravado, or silence to avoid revealing too
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  Speaker 1: much too soon. But by the time they're sitting in
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  Speaker 1: a circle on the floor trading stories of parental pressure
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  Speaker 1: and emotional neglect, the facade cracks. What makes The Breakfast
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  Speaker 1: Club a lasting portrait of the American teen spirit is
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  Speaker 1: how It understands rebellion not as a fight against authority
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  Speaker 1: in a punk rock sense, but as a quiet insistence
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  Speaker 1: on being more than just who the world says you are.
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  Speaker 1: And the characters begin the day as cliches, right? The jock,
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  Speaker 1: the princess, the criminal, the basket case, the brain. And
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  Speaker 1: by the end, they are confessing how much they hate
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  Speaker 1: those roles. That tension between self-knowledge and societal expectation is
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  Speaker 1: what gives the film its emotional power. In the end,
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  Speaker 1: it's not about breaking free, but about having been seen
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  Speaker 1: even just for a moment. And that's kind of the
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  Speaker 1: beauty of The Breakfast Club and John Hughes movies in general.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're a celebration of 1980s suburban teens. Hughes
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  Speaker 1: brought attention and dignity to the ordinary corners of middle-class America.
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  Speaker 1: There's real magic in the friendships, the heartbreaks, the small rebellions.
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  Speaker 1: as he turns the mall, the classroom, and the poster-plasted
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  Speaker 1: childhood bedrooms into sacred stages of coming of age. Not
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  Speaker 1: all people, however, seem to feel that way about The
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  Speaker 1: Breakfast Club and John Hughes, including lead actress Molly Ringwald,
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  Speaker 1: of all people. And we're going to get into that
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  Speaker 1: and more with weekend host of Fox & Friends, real-world alumni,
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  Speaker 1: and mother of nine, including mother of yours truly, Rachel Campo-Stuffy. Mom,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for being here.
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  Speaker 2: I so love that you're breaking down the Breakfast Club
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  Speaker 2: on this podcast. And I'm going to disagree with you
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  Speaker 2: for one second. There is a theme song. Don't you
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  Speaker 2: forget about me.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. But it's an independent song from that movie.
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  Speaker 1: But you're right. You're right. That is sort of the
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  Speaker 1: song of that film. And you're a fan of The
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  Speaker 1: Breakfast Club and I'm a fan of The Breakfast Club.
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  Speaker 1: And I saw it in high school for the first time.
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  Speaker 1: And I think you, I was watching it and you're like,
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  Speaker 1: I forgot how many swear words were in this movie.
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  Speaker 1: But I knew.
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  Speaker 2: Every single line, like literally the way, I mean, it's
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  Speaker 2: hard for somebody from your generation to understand just the
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  Speaker 2: cultural impact of Breakfast Club for all the reasons you said. But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, obviously I wasn't smart enough to you know,
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  Speaker 2: process it in the intellectual artsy way that you just did, Amita.
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  Speaker 2: But we related to everyone. Everyone in our school was
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  Speaker 2: one of those people that we could see ourselves through them,
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  Speaker 2: our friends through them. That tension between, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: geeks and the jocks and the cheerleaders and, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and the outcasts and the kid who, you know, gets
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  Speaker 2: kicked out of school all the time. You know, all
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  Speaker 2: of that stuff was there. And every line was great.
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  Speaker 2: It felt like John Hughes, you know, didn't just... know
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  Speaker 2: what that suburban high school life was like, he actually
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  Speaker 2: thought it was awesome. And his hero, the heroes in
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  Speaker 2: his films, in his film were always the middle-class kid
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  Speaker 2: from a working class background whose parents work hard, go
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  Speaker 2: to work. And they're just, you know, they come home
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  Speaker 2: and they're kind of latchkey because their parents are working,
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  Speaker 2: but their parents are trying really hard and they're good.
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  Speaker 2: And the bad people in the movie, the villains were
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  Speaker 2: always the rich, spoiled people. And so there was sort
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  Speaker 2: of an appreciation of what was still going right in America.
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  Speaker 2: There was almost that American dream theme that ran through it,
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  Speaker 2: that idea of American exceptionalism. If you work hard enough,
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  Speaker 2: you'll make it. But also that the values of the
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  Speaker 2: working class were the best values, right? And so I
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  Speaker 2: just think it's fascinating to me that Molly Ringwald, who,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, she was his muse. Molly Ringwald was John
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  Speaker 2: Hughes's muse and she owes her entire career to it.
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  Speaker 2: And I have heard her, this is just the first time,
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  Speaker 2: lots of times bashing him and his movies. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: What an ingrate and what an insult to Gen X.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's get into Molly Ringwald for a second so
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  Speaker 1: people know what we're talking about. I love everything that
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  Speaker 1: you just said about John Hughes. And I see that
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  Speaker 1: theme come through with 16 Candles, with Some Kind of Wonderful.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like all of these John Hughes films, this
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  Speaker 1: reoccurring theme of dignifying middle class Americans, of really caring
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  Speaker 1: about the kids who come from those backgrounds. He really
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  Speaker 1: had a love for them, for that demographic of America,
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  Speaker 1: which I think, is what built this country. I think
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  Speaker 1: the middle class is the American dream.
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  Speaker 2: It's something beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: And you're right. It feels like such a betrayal to
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  Speaker 1: hear the kind of things that Molly Ringwald is saying now.
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  Speaker 1: So over the weekend, there was a 40th anniversary panel
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  Speaker 1: for The Breakfast Club. This was in Chicago. It was
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  Speaker 1: with all the main cast. And they were asked if
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  Speaker 1: the film could be remade today and still be as popular.
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  Speaker 1: And Molly Ringwald had a pretty interesting answer She said
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  Speaker 1: that she opposes remaking the film unless it has more
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  Speaker 1: diversity or modern conversations about gender because the OG film,
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  Speaker 1: it's just too white. I want to get your take,
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  Speaker 1: your reaction to this, mom. Take a listen.
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  Speaker 3: I personally don't believe in remaking that movie because I
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  Speaker 3: think this movie is very much of its time. It
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  Speaker 3: resonates with people today. But if you, I believe in
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  Speaker 3: making movies that are inspired by other movies, but build
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  Speaker 3: on it and represent what's going on today. You know,
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  Speaker 3: this is very, you know, there's, it's very white, this movie.
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  Speaker 3: You don't see a lot of different ethnicities. We don't
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  Speaker 3: talk about gender, you know, none of that. And I
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  Speaker 3: feel like that really doesn't represent our world today. So
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  Speaker 3: I would like to see movies that are inspired by
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  Speaker 3: The Breakfast Club, but take it in a different direction.
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  Speaker 1: So, Mom, I don't know about you, but I feel
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  Speaker 1: like high school is hard enough as it is without
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  Speaker 1: inserting identity politics into it. It's kind of the whole
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  Speaker 1: point of the movie. You're like, high school is clicks
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  Speaker 1: and it's labels. Who wants to watch a neo-Marxist struggle
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  Speaker 1: session version of The Breakfast Club?
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  Speaker 2: No one. No one. And this is what's kind of
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  Speaker 2: ruined childhood, really. I mean, in the extreme, you're having
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  Speaker 2: people like, you know, cutting off their genitals. But just
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  Speaker 2: in general, as you said, it's hard enough to grow
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  Speaker 2: up without all these neo-Marxists adding everything into the classroom.
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  Speaker 2: And it's ruined high school. It's ruined, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: entire experience. I mean, you're seeing, for example, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the prom queen now is usually in a lot of
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  Speaker 2: these wokey schools. You know, it's a trans person because
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  Speaker 2: somebody wants to make a statement about, you know, women
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  Speaker 2: and trans rights. And you're seeing, you know, girls getting,
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  Speaker 2: you know, crushed in sports because boys are in it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, talk about, it's hard enough to make it
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  Speaker 2: into the varsity, you know, track, you know, team. And
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  Speaker 2: now you got to compete against guys. Everything that the
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  Speaker 2: left does just ruins high school. I look back on
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  Speaker 2: these movies and it's just so fun because boys, the
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  Speaker 2: thing was it wasn't very far away from what we
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  Speaker 2: were experiencing in high school. I mean, we liked it
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  Speaker 2: because it was like high school. It was the way
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  Speaker 2: it was. And I don't, maybe Molly Ringwald's point is
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  Speaker 2: now everything's so wokey. Let's, you know, make a movie
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  Speaker 2: about it. It's just not fun. It's just not fun.
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  Speaker 2: Think about Footloose, you know, all of that. And, and,
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  Speaker 2: you know, there were other characters. I think if you
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  Speaker 2: go back for take Footloose, I'm sure there's Black characters
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  Speaker 2: in there. I can't even remember. But the point was,
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  Speaker 2: I was a Latina high schooler. I went to a
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  Speaker 2: very ethnic Catholic high school in suburban Phoenix, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in Chandler, Arizona. And, you know, it was mostly Hispanic information. Filipino.
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  Speaker 2: And there were some white people there. All of it was,
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  Speaker 2: we were a working class school. We would see the,
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  Speaker 2: we would always be jealous because the rich Catholic schools
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  Speaker 2: in Scottsdale, you know, we always like, they have better uniforms.
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  Speaker 2: Ours was brown plaid, which just was like, perfect, you know,
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  Speaker 2: encapsulation of our working class, you know, Catholic ethnic high school.
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  Speaker 2: And we did. We would go compete against those, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the rich schools. And I could feel that. Like, it
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  Speaker 2: was the first time I felt like, wow, we really
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  Speaker 2: are from a different socioeconomic, you know, class. I never
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  Speaker 2: saw it racially, Evita. Never saw it racially. And when
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  Speaker 2: I watched Breakfast Club, it never occurred to me that
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  Speaker 2: it was really white, even though I was, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not just Hispanic. I'm Hispanic on both sides. My
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  Speaker 2: mother is from Spain. My father is, is Mexican American.
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  Speaker 2: And when I met your dad on the real world,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and now nineties iconic television, right. And, and entertainment,
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  Speaker 2: we asked your dad, we never had a racial conversation.
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  Speaker 2: We never talked about the fact that I was Mexican,
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  Speaker 2: Mexican American. And he was, Irish Catholic white from Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 2: We talked about like, I mean, what united us, we
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  Speaker 2: were both Catholic. We both acknowledged we were both Catholic
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  Speaker 2: and had those same sort of Catholic, you know, vibes.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember finding out that your dad's family ate
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  Speaker 2: lamb at Christmas and I was blown away. I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I thought only Hispanics did that, you know, but, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he did too. And so, but it was never racial
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  Speaker 2: and never, never ever was that a topic. And it
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  Speaker 2: was so strange, you know, when I remember watching The Bachelor,
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  Speaker 2: when they had the first time they had a black
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  Speaker 2: bachelor and they put them, the whole reality show went
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  Speaker 2: through like a struggle session, as you would call it.
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  Speaker 2: They put DEI training prior to doing the whole matchmaking thing.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought, I couldn't help thinking about me and
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  Speaker 2: your dad and how we met on a reality TV show.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, That would have been such a buzzkill.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you would have been alive, Evita, if
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  Speaker 2: we had DEI training before the real world. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think you would have been born. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting that there's this narrative from Molly and I
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  Speaker 1: think just from Hollywood in general that all young people
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  Speaker 1: want is these diverse films and it has to be
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  Speaker 1: struggle sessions and we have to be gender, sexually, racially
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  Speaker 1: conscious the whole time. And one of the most popular
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  Speaker 1: films in the last five years has been Top Gun
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  Speaker 1: Maverick with none of that, like totally playing off of
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  Speaker 1: the 80s vibe of that entire era. And people loved it.
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  Speaker 1: People had been, I think, yearning.
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  Speaker 2: To be fair, they had the chick as the pilot
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  Speaker 2: and they had, you know, they made sure there were
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  Speaker 2: black people. I mean, they did do that.
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  Speaker 1: A little bit, but it wasn't like a focal point
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  Speaker 1: of it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it was like a focal point of
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  Speaker 1: the film. I felt like it was very nostalgic in
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  Speaker 1: a lot of ways.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, go ahead. No, no, I think you're right.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it focused on it. I mean, they
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  Speaker 2: had it in there, but I think you make a
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  Speaker 2: fair point.
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  Speaker 1: Well, so I know I want to ask you about
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  Speaker 1: Gen X just generally, because this is the John Hughes
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  Speaker 1: is sort of how I viewed Gen X. Like this
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  Speaker 1: is what you were steeped in. This is what you
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  Speaker 1: grew up with. Um, that this was not just sort
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  Speaker 1: of what, like what animated, uh, you culturally these pretty
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  Speaker 1: in pink 16 candles, some kind of wonderful breakfast club,
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  Speaker 1: but it also felt.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Say anything. It felt very rooted in, in the reality
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  Speaker 1: of growing up in middle-class America and Reagan, 1980s. And
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if you think, how you think that has
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  Speaker 1: impacted your generation years on, because I always say this
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  Speaker 1: on the show, like Gen X is like one of
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  Speaker 1: the only generations that's very proud of being Gen X.
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  Speaker 1: They really think that they're the best generation. They tend
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  Speaker 1: to be a lot more right wing than other generations.
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  Speaker 1: What are your, what, how do you think that your
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  Speaker 1: generation has, has evolved over the years?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, gosh, it's such a great question, Evita. It's such
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  Speaker 2: a great question. Well, I think, you know, we were
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  Speaker 2: raised on MTV. We were raised on these kinds of movies,
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  Speaker 2: this sort of John Hughes, you know, celebration of teen culture.
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  Speaker 2: The cheerleader, the football player, the jock, you know, we
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  Speaker 2: kind of, you know, had all of that going on.
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of us, a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: were latchkey kids. A lot of people had jobs in
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  Speaker 2: high school to make ends meet so they could have
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  Speaker 2: something to do, have money for the weekend. But it
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  Speaker 2: was before all the helicopter parenting. And so I think
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  Speaker 2: in that way, you know, I never had my parents
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  Speaker 2: plan a play date for me. I didn't even know
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  Speaker 2: what that was until I had my own kids and
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  Speaker 2: people were trying to plan play dates with you guys.
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  Speaker 2: And then I had, you know, once I had three kids,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't need play dates. They have their
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  Speaker 2: own play date here every day. But I think I
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  Speaker 2: also brought that sort of, you know, I'm not a
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  Speaker 2: helicopter parent. And I think when you have a lot
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  Speaker 2: of kids. You can't be. You really can't be. And
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a blessing because I think that that
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  Speaker 2: also had a huge impact. You mentioned Ronald Reagan. That
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  Speaker 2: was a huge impact. I mean, our parents saw the
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  Speaker 2: transformation from the malaise of Jimmy Carter to the good
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  Speaker 2: times under Ronald Reagan. And I think in some ways,
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  Speaker 2: the Trump era, especially these next four years, I think,
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  Speaker 2: are going to have that kind of impact on your generation,
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  Speaker 2: on this generation. I think we're going to roll into
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  Speaker 2: some really good times. We were feeling it at the
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  Speaker 2: end of the first term of Donald Trump before COVID.
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  Speaker 2: We had the greatest economy in our lifetime. In the
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  Speaker 2: last 50 years, we'd never seen this kind of wealth.
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  Speaker 2: And the wealth distributed through all the classes, all boats
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  Speaker 2: were rising. It wasn't like in the last few years,
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  Speaker 2: especially under COVID, where we saw a redistribution of wealth
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  Speaker 2: to the richest titled classes. I think you're going to
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  Speaker 2: see with Donald Trump, this entire tariff thing is a
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  Speaker 2: redistribution of wealth back to the middle class, a redistribution
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  Speaker 2: of political attention back to the middle class. You could
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  Speaker 2: say maybe that Donald Trump is the John Hughes, if
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  Speaker 2: you will.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Putting attention back on the middle class, even though he
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  Speaker 2: comes from, you know, the 1%, he has always cared
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  Speaker 2: about the workers and the middle class and the people
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  Speaker 2: who really put this country together and the parents who
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  Speaker 2: make it all happen. And so, and by the way,
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  Speaker 2: not to make this too political, but there's a ton
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  Speaker 2: of stuff that is going to be coming out of
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  Speaker 2: this administration that I'm excited about. Tax credit for at-home moms,
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  Speaker 2: tax credits for people who take care of their elderly parents.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, a lot of this is like the ultimate
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  Speaker 2: in family policy. And so anyway, I think that my generation,
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  Speaker 2: clearly impacted by Ronald Reagan, I think you're going to
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  Speaker 2: see the John Hughes effect of Trump on yours.
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  Speaker 1: I think you're right about that. And some polling is
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  Speaker 1: actually showing, I pulled this for the show, some polling
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  Speaker 1: is showing that you're 100% Right. The way that Reagan
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  Speaker 1: sort of impacted really deeply an entire generation, Trump is
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  Speaker 1: having a massive impact on the next generation. So I
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  Speaker 1: want to share this fascinating poll with you from just
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  Speaker 1: this week. And mom, you're a mom of nine. Your
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  Speaker 1: kids range from 25, me, to five years old. So
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  Speaker 1: you have a lot of firsthand insights into how things
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  Speaker 1: are changing from zillennials, like Gen Z millennials, which would
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  Speaker 1: be me, to Gen Z, to Gen Alpha. You kind
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  Speaker 1: of see it all. So this survey was conducted between
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  Speaker 1: April 1st and April 3rd, surveyed 4,100 registered voters and
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  Speaker 1: found that voters aged 22 to 29, so that would
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  Speaker 1: be my bracket, favored Democrats by 6.4% or 6.4 points,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. And when asked who they would support in
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  Speaker 1: the 2026 congressional elections, then they asked voters 18 to 21,
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  Speaker 1: so 18 to 21, they favor Republicans by a margin
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  Speaker 1: of 11.7 points. Wow. Like a massive, and I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is a smaller sample size, but that is a huge,
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  Speaker 1: huge shift. Even if it's half of that, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the difference is massive. What do you make of that?
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  Speaker 2: It's incredible. When you look at the amount of government
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: money that we're seeing exposed through Doge that has been
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: put into woke-ifying young people, and yet Donald Trump without
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: that boost of NGOs and teacher unions and school curriculums
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: that are completely trying to indoctrinate people, is turning young
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: people into Republicans, turning them away from neo-Marxism. I think
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: it's incredible. And again, it's very formative. As you're seeing,
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: when you're formed in the 80s under that Reagan thing,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: you might go to college and get a little liberal,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: but you kind of come back to what you were
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: sort of formed in, right? Formation. And so I think
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: that that's going to happen here. And success is what
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: will drive that. I mean, people could look at what
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan did and they could wrap their arms around it.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: They could sink their teeth into it. It made sense.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: because they could see the results. You had Joe Biden
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: and Barack Obama talk a big game about what they
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: were going to do with liberalism. And all it did
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: was bring misery economically and spiritually, socially. Absolutely. And so
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: I always thought that, you know, I mean, Donald Trump
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: won this election in part because we were able to
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: see the fruits of of Joe Biden and really Barack
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Obama's project in these last four years. And we could
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: compare it to where we were pre-COVID with Trump. And
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: that comparison, you know, it's not theoretical. It was tangible.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: The working class, I mean, I remember Evita going into
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: a really working class town, Allentown, Pennsylvania. And, you know,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: the barbers would just say, yeah, the tips were higher
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: under Trump. You know, people were generous. with their tips
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: because times were better. So these are these are tangible,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: tangible things. And your generation, you know, has not had
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: the kind of economic opportunity in the last four years
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: that makes them made them feel excited and optimistic about
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: the future. And I believe Trump will deliver on that
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: for your generations.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I do too. And the vibe shift is real. And
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: we have a lot to get into today, mom, because
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: you interviewed the president this week. And we're going to
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: talk about what happened in that interview, some viral moments
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: in the interview. But first, I do have to take
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: a break. Don't go anywhere. All right. I want to
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: get into your interview with President Trump, mom.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Can I stop you for one second, though, before we
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: move on to the next? I have a really good friend.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Her name is Lisa DePasquale. And for all of you
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: who have nostalgia... for the Gen X era for that
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: period of time in the 80s. She wrote a book.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: It's coming out. You can pre-order it. I'm sorry, I've
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: got to plug it. She's a friend of mine. It's
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: called The Gen X Handbook for Middle Age. And it's
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Lisa DePasquale. It's on pre-order right now at Amazon. So
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: if you miss all that stuff, I just think it's
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: so awesome that she's given it to us even in
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: our middle age. So there you go.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, so I do want to get into your interview
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: with President Trump. You were at the White House this week.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: You sat down with the president for a Fox Noticias interview.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: And if you guys don't know what Fox Noticias is,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: this is like the Spanish language version of Fox that
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: mom is spearheading. She's kind of the face of it.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: And you taught President Trump something in this interview. Take
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: a listen. Mr.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: President, I'd like to teach you how to say, let's
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: make America great again in Spanish. So vamos a hacer
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: America grande otra vez.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: America grande otra vez. Was that planned?
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: No, it wasn't. And it was, I mean, listen, I
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: taught Spanish conversation when I was at the university and
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: when I was in grad school and his pronunciation was excellent.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: And so it went by, I put his clip next to.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: We have that.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: We have that.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Let's play that one.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: So say it with me.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Si se puede.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: America grande otra vez.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sorry. It's not just because I love Trump.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: She was trying to say, si se puede, which is,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: of course, the Cesar Chavez, yes, we can slogan, si
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: se puede. And she said, Si se puede. And then
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump says, haz America grande otra vez.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: So in your professional opinion, President Trump had a better
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: pronunciation as a Spanish teacher.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Like A plus, B minus. I mean, like, I'm sorry.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: It just is. Everything the man touches turns to gold.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: And by the way, it was ironic because he had
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: just gotten out of, he had just come to me
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: from meeting with Bukele.
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: And, you know, the left has been trying to turn
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: that whole incident of, you know, sending back this MS-13
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: guy into some sort of, you know, Trump hates Hispanic moment,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: you know, and Trump's going to deport everybody. And, you know,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Bukele was great explaining, no, we incarcerated thousands of people
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: so that we could liberate millions. And then Trump comes
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: in and does this Spanish interview, speaks perfect Spanish, as
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: he says, make America great again, and hits on, I mean,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: so many topics in such an honest, straightforward Trumpian way,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: topics that don't get talked a lot about, but matter
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: a lot to the Hispanic community. So it was, I
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: had him on for almost an hour, Vida.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I don't want to get into some of
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: the stuff that you talked about. I mean, it was pretty,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I didn't have the full video, so I wasn't able
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: to clip a lot, but I did have the transcript
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: and I read through it and you talked about a lot.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: So you covered abolishing the income tax, a self-deportation program
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: with stipends, exposing U.S. election interference abroad, which was pretty interesting,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: assassination attempts on President Trump's life, the pipe bomber. What
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: was the most surprising thing that you heard from the
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: president during your interview with him, would you say?
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: I would say it was around the assassination attempt. So
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: I paraphrased him a moment in that new book that
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: came out called Fight about his campaign. And there was
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: a moment in there where in the book they describe
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Susie Wiles is in New York City at Trump Tower.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: This is around the time that Donald Trump, they're trying
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: to get him in these trials and he's being charged
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: in New York. And he's basically, him and his campaign
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: are base camped out of Trump Tower because of these trials.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: And there's a moment where she goes into the coffee
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: break room and she kind of gets emotional and breaks
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: down and says to the other women that are there
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: in the break room and says, I'm afraid if they
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: don't get them through these trials, if they don't get
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: them this way, they're going to try and kill them.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: But a short time later that the first assassination attempt happened, Susie,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: as you know, was there in the audience right behind
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: him when the shots were fired. And he took a
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: shot to his head, to his ear. I mean, he
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: almost died. And so I said to him, I said, listen,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: two Democrats tried to kill you. Because I don't buy
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: all the Iranian stuff that they keep trying to shove
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: down our throat. It was two Democrats. And I said,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: one of them had weird ties to Ukraine. I can't
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: figure out. And the other one, your own son said,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: his body was cremated faster than a household pet. So
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: what do.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: You know now?
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're the president now. What's happened? And he
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: said to me, they keep trying to tell me that
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: these were just like crazy one-offs essentially. And he's like,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense to me. That kid you said
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: was cremated had 18 phones. He's like, I'm the busiest
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: guy in the world. I have three. What's going on here?
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: And I just thought, That was so remarkable to me, Evita,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: that Donald Trump, with all the knowledge he gained in
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: his first term, all the planning and decision making that
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: we're seeing play out in those interim four years, then
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: becomes president. And three months in, he still doesn't know
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: who or why and who's behind the people who tried
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: to shoot him and kill him. And he did reference
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Dan Bongino. He said, I've got two people working on it.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: I assumed it was Cash and Dan. Maybe he meant
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Pam and Cash.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Clearly, there are good people inside. But this should give
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: you an understanding of how deep the deep state is.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: I know that him and his family think that should
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: be job number one. And it should be. The American
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: people do not have a democracy if if we can't
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: stop assassinations of our leaders, because then nobody will run. Exactly.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I just pulled up on, there was a piece in
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Revolver not that long ago. Mike Benz came out. Mike
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Benz is, of course, former State Department official, deep state whistleblower.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: He says now that it's a 95% chance that Ryan Routh,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: the second assassination attempt was working with the U.S. government.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: So there is clearly just like a massive monolith that
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Trump is dealing with right now. And the reason things
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: might seem slow on things like disclosure or these assassination
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: attempts is like we're dealing with a completely hostile government.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Like if Trump doesn't have the answers, and believe me,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Trump is going to want to expose the truth on
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: all this, right? Blow the lid off. That is just
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: a sign of how big and how opaque things are
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: on the inside. President of the United States can't even
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: handle it.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: What he said was, he said, I deserve to know.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Even if they don't want to tell the public, I
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: deserve to know. And then he goes, but I might
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: tell the public.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: He would, of course he would. Of course he would.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: And the other question, Evita, we talked about that hasn't
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: gotten a lot of attention, but I think people are
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: still digesting this because the questions are in Spanish. And
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: so I think it's going to take a minute to digest.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I think it's probably making big news in Latin America,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: just that this question was asked of him. I asked him,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: I said, I know you care a lot about election integrity. Well,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: a lot of people in Latin America are concerned about
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: our government interfering in their elections. Of course, I was
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: referring to Brazil. By the way, when you have these
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: kind of big interviews, you always have a lot of
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: regrets of something you should have said. And I wish
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: that I directly said Brazil, but I didn't.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: So just Latin America? Yeah.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: I just said Latin America, but what I meant was,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, the latest one that we're all, we all
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: know is Brazil. And he knew what I was talking about,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: by the way. And I asked him, you know, I
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: know this was done through USAID. It was done through
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: NGOs to try and interfere with that election. I know
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: you've dismantled this operation and defanged it, but, you know,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: will we get to the bottom of how our government
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: did this to other in Latin America? And will you
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: commit to publicly exposing what we did in their elections?
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: And he was really taken aback. He did not expect
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: this question, I'm sure. And he said, you know, wow,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: it takes a lot of courage to ask this question.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Thank you for asking this question. And then he said, yeah,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: he said, I want to get to the bottom of it.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: I want to expose what happened. And, you know, election
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: integrity is something that is deeply personal to him. You know,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: it's the reason why Election integrity and also the weaponization
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: of the government against candidates. That's the bond he had,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: for example, with Obrador, the former president of Mexico. You know,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: they seem like they're so different. One's this like labor
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: socialist and you've got Donald Trump. And their bond was
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: they both knew what it was like to have the
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: government weaponized against you, to have elections rigged against you.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: I think that's the same connection he has with Maria
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Corina Machado in Venezuela, who was prevented through the weaponization
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: of government for running for office. She had to have
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: somebody else run in her stead, although everybody knew she
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: was the actual candidate and how she's being persecuted now.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: And so I think anybody in the world who is
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: experiencing those two things has a friend in Donald Trump.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it's a fascinating question. And I'm so
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: glad to hear his answer was that, yeah, I think
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: I would release all of this Because I think a
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: lot of people are confused as to why Democrats are
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: angry at Doge or they're angry at the firings or
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: dismantling USAID. And people don't understand that the deep state,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: the security state, the bureaucracy is the power of the
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Democrat Party. That is their power. And it's not just
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: a national project, but it's international. This is a global project,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: a global pain that they are inflicting on the world
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: because they are continually suppressing populism here at home with
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: President Trump, but also abroad. They are exporting tyranny. What
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: publication is this, Mikey?
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: How U.S.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Pressure Helped Save Brazil's Democracy. Yeah, so this is the
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: kind of U.S. Pressure to save democracy. And that's always
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: the narrative, right? Oh, we're saving democracy, but really you're
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: interfering in elections here with President Trump and abroad. And
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Trump realizes the through line with that. And that's what's
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: so key here is that he's not an isolated circumstance.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: It is happening all across the world and it is
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: being done by our government.
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: And that's why you know that Donald Trump was thinking hard,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: him and his team you know, whether it was Stephen Miller,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: you know, his closest advisors. And of course, they use
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: the hammer of Elon Musk, right, of, you know, being
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: able to go in there and take over and expose it. But,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: you know, the first thing he did was USAID. I mean,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: that's cutting the head of the snake off right there.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: That was their source. They were laundering our tax dollars
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: through USAID to do the dirty work of George Soros.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: of the WEF, of every, you know, globalist intention, every
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: neo-Marxist intention was being funneled through USAID. And they were
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: using our money to do it. I mean, it's one
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: thing if you have your own billionaires that, you know,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: want to do this, if George Soros wants to do this,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: you know, okay, it's George Soros, it's his own money.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: But that's not what George Soros did. George Soros, for
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: a very small fee, would fund the elections of these
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: you know, Democrats. And then the Democrats would use billions
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: of our dollars to funnel back into NGOs that belong
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: to George Soros. So this was money laundering. And, and,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: and this was, it was, it was so duplicitous and
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: it was happening under our noses. So disappointing that our
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: own Congress couldn't bring this agency to heal that it
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: took Donald Trump getting in, almost getting shot. Having an
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: election rigged against him and then, you know, taking office
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: and bringing in the richest guy in the world, you know,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: to use the power of his technology to, you know,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: uncover this and unearth the numbers and expose the corruption.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. And it's like that
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: meme where you see President, like the skull, where it's
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Trump turning this way and then Trump having his head
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: turned the other way. And it's like just an inch.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Our country could have been destroyed in just like a millisentimeter, right?
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Because he dodged that bullet. And now we are accomplishing
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: so much. And it all would have been taken away
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: had he actually been murdered that day. in Pennsylvania and
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: also in Florida. So we have to get to the
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: bottom of the assassination attempts and understand exactly what could
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: have been had he actually died. I mean, the fate
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: of this country would have been completely different, just changed forever.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: You know, I credit, you know, of course, populism and
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: people and all this, but I am more convinced than ever.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: The Holy Spirit, you know, the archangels saved Donald Trump
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: on that day and saved our country. You know, yesterday
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: we saw that really moving moment of Patty Morin in
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: the press room talking about what happened to her daughter
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: with Carolyn Leavitt by her side. And it was so emotional.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: But what was even more powerful to me, and as
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: moving as that was and as gut-wrenching as it was,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: was then I saw footage posted by Margo, one of
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump's assistants, took video of the press office and
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Patty Morin praying before they went out there and Patty
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Morin saying, you know, asking the Holy spirit to, to
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: use them as a vessel to, to, to, to use them,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: to put the words out for them. I just, I
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: listened to it and I just thought, damn it. This
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: is what I voted for. This is, this is what
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: I wanted. I wanted good people. who had the humility
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: to know that God was in charge, who had the
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: humility to know that they can pray to God to
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: intervene in our darkest moments. And you're so right, Evita.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: If Donald Trump had not turned his head, had the
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Holy Spirit and the angels not intervened in that moment
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: in Jesus Christ, we lost this country.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: It would Yeah, I totally agree. And you can see
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: it in the priorities of these people. I mean, sometimes
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: I wonder, like, if there is something spiritual happening behind
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: the scenes with everybody in the corporate media. Because you
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: look at their priorities and the things they care about
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: and the way that they align and spin narratives, and
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: it's almost shocking. Like, I couldn't even make up the
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: things that they're saying. And one example is the Maryland
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: man hoax from this week. So you have this guy.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: His name is Kilmar Abrego-Garcia. El Salvadorian MS-13 gang member.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: And he's deported by the Trump admin. And the left
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: has freaked out over this. They think he has a
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: right to be in this country. They want him sent back.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: But there's been some major developments. And again, you would
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: think that this man is a US citizen who's running St.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Jude's Hospital. From the way the media is portraying him,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: he's just this amazing person. But now we have more
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: details about who this guy really is. So the DOJ
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: revealed yesterday that in 2019, Prince George's County Police gang
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: unit determined that Abrego Garcia was, in fact, an active
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: MS-13 gang member. And when he was arrested, he was
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: found with rolls of cash and drugs. He was hanging
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: out with multiple confirmed other MS-13 gang members. He was wearing...
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: apparel associated with MS-13, and of course, also a confidential
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: source independently identified Abrego Garcia's membership in MS-13, along with
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: his rank and moniker in the organization. But that's not
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: even all. We're told this guy is like, he's amazing.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: He's wonderful. He's like this father. He's a Maryland man.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Kilmar Abrego Garcia's wife, who has been crying and demanding
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: that he come back, she previously recounted in a police
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: report that her husband violently beat her multiple times, hit
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: her with his boots, hit her in the eye, causing
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: her to get a black eye, punched her and scratched her,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: leaving her bleeding. Mom, your reaction to the entire narrative
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: around this Maryland man completely just crumbling before us?
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: It's just remarkable, Evita. First of all, I remember him
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: saying he's a Marylander. I'm like, no, he's not. He's
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: not a Marylander. You know who's a Marylander? Rachel Morin.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Rachel Morin is a Marylander. She is from Maryland. And
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: the senator, is his name Van Hollen?
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Who went to El Salvador on behalf of this MS-13
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: thug who beat his wife. He did that, and he
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: never said peep about Rachel Morin's brutal murder. A mother
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: of five, a grandmother, a daughter, a beautiful American woman
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: from Maryland. My mind's just exploding, and I have to think, like,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: they're so, like, Trump derangement syndrome. Did Van Allen not
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: say to his staff, hey, could you give me some
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: information on this guy? I want to make sure before
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: I go to El Salvador to advocate for him that
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: he's not really a gang member, that he doesn't have
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: any other records, that he's not a wife beater. He
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: didn't do that. He didn't care. If Donald Trump wanted
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: that gang member out of the country, that was enough
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: for him. And so in many ways, Donald Trump has
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: like cornered, he's put them in a box, like Whatever
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: he stands for, Donald Trump, even if it's so common
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: sense as maybe the illegal MS-13 wife beater shouldn't be here,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: they'll go, yeah, he should.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: It's just insanity. No, it's totally insane. And the narrative
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: around him is so funny when you also think like, oh,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: they're saying that his life is at risk and that's
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: why he can't be sent back, right? Well, his life's
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: at risk. The judge said so. We can't send him
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: to El Salvador. And it's like, have you considered why
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: his life is at risk if he goes back to
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: El Salvador? What does that mean if his life's at risk?
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: I have a video of Scott Jennings addressing this. But
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: he said it was a rivalry. originally they didn't send
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: him back because he was afraid of a rival gang.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: And by the way, Evita, to your point, that prison,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: and by the way, I have some humanitarian concerns about
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: that prison.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to be clear about it. It's not
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: my country. That said, that prison, no one dies because
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: that prison is really safe. And two, El Salvador is
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: the safest country in the Western Hemisphere. So probably a
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: more dangerous staying in Maryland than he is in El Salvador,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: which is the safest country in the Western Hemisphere. I'm sorry,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: go ahead.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: No, exactly. I want to get your reaction to this exchange.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is just kind of highlighting the way
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: that the media has completely twisted this story.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Take a listen.
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: There's due process that exists in this country for everybody.
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: And the fact that this man had received no due process,
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: was effectively disappeared to a foreign country, a country which
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: he came from, which he was basically got he got.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: A foreign country he lives there.
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: Excuse me no he does not live there he's a
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: citizen of el salvador excuse me he got asylum in
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: this country.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: He's a citizen scott does he have asylum.
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: Excuse me let me finish no no no sorry it's
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: not that he got asylum he got a judge to
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: say that he could not.
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: Be does he have a deportation order excuse.
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: Me he could not be can you let me finish
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: he could not be he could not be rendered back
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: to el salvador Because he was at risk of being
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: harmed in El Salvador.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: By who?
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: That is what a federal judge.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: By who? No, who was he at risk of? Excuse me.
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: That was what a federal judge said. He could not
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: be deported. Who is he at risk of being harmed by?
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: I'm asking you. Could he be at risk by? I
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: don't know. A rival gang. No, no, no, no, no, no.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: Excuse me. Scott, excuse me. Stop.
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: Do you really believe that this guy is an MS-13 member?
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: Because... I've got two heads of state telling me that
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: they believe it.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: You're heads of state? Okay. Barack Obama said that.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Clearly.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: He's an MS-13. Otherwise, his life wouldn't be at risk. Again,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: like Scott Shane said, it's a rival gang. Your reaction
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: to this, Mom?
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Exactly that. It's just unbelievable. First of all, it's in
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: the documents. He says, I can't go back. A rival
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: gang is going to kill me. By definition, you're in
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: a gang, right? Why are you here? You're from El Salvador,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: and you're in a gang. Listen— In this interview that
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: I did with President Trump, I had a really interesting moment.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Last year, CNN interviewed an illegal immigrant. His name is
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Galacio Velasquez. He's from Houston. He's a mechanic. He came
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: here illegally 20 years ago. Now his wife and his
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: children are American citizens. I'm not sure about the wife,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: but definitely the kids are. And he was interviewed prior
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: to the election. by CNN and they thought they were
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: going to get like a, I hate Donald Trump interview.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: And the guy said, you know, I'm illegal. And I
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: know it's probably not great for me for Donald Trump
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: to get elected because it increases my chances of getting
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: deported because I'm illegal, but I have American kids and
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: I want this country to prosper. And there's no question
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: that this man is going to be better for America.
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: So after Donald Trump was elected, I brought Galacio on
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: my show. And I had an interview with him and
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: I said, you know, Donald Trump won. Why were you
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: supporting Donald Trump? I know you can't vote, but you
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: were hoping you would win.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: And he said, Rita was, it was fascinating to think
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: about this. He's a mechanic. So, so for those who
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: think that the working class isn't smart and doesn't think
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: about things, you're wrong. Um, this man said, I think
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: he will return manufacturing jobs back to America. I think
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: he will turn this economy around. I think he cares
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: about the American people. I think he's a businessman who
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: will do all those things, he said. But also, I'm
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: really concerned about World War III. I think he can
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: end these wars. And World War III is a real
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: possibility if we allow Joe Biden to continue doing things
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: the way he's doing. This is a really thoughtful interview, OK?
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: So when I interviewed Donald Trump on Monday, I played
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: that clip for him. And then I said, hey, what
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: do you think should be done about people like Colasio?
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Illegals who have been here 20 years, they have American kids,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: they're working hard, he's a mechanic, wants the American dream,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: clearly appreciates your style of governing. What would you say?
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: And Donald Trump was kind of blown away. He's like,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: you know, I hope this guy isn't getting deported. He's
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: exactly the kind of guy we need in this country.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: And he's like, I said, well, should somebody like him
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: be treated the same as somebody who came you know,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: during the four years of Joe Biden, which was, you know,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: we saw a lot of, you know, really bad people.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: It was very chaotic. Um, you know, the borders were opened,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: et cetera. And he said, the answer, I know the
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: answer I'm supposed to say, the answer I'm supposed to
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: give is yes, they should be treated the same, but no,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: I don't think they should. This is a good man
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: and blah, blah, blah. And the reason I say that is, um,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: A lot of people who are in Galacio's situation will
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: make a mistake of defending all the deportations. And when
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: they do that, Evita, they end up making themselves into
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: or putting themselves in the same category as that MS-13
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: guy who's now been deported to El Salvador. As far
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: as I know, Donald Trump so far has only deported criminals.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: People who have come to our country and didn't just
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: break the law coming in, but have committed other crimes
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: either in their home countries or in our country. And
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: so there are three types of categories of immigrants. Those
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: who come in legally and go through the process and
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: do the paperwork and wait in line and do everything
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: the right way, like your grandmother did, my mother. People
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: like Galacio, who broke the law coming in, but haven't
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: done anything else since and are working hard and trying
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: to contribute to their families and to the country in
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: some way. And then you have people like the MS-13
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: guy in Maryland. And those are three very different categories.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: And it would do these, it would do people, it
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: would be a smart thing to do to recognize those
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: three categories. I'll say this to you too, at the
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: risk of talking too much. I'm sorry about that. I
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: also asked Alassio, who was very, you know, he was,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: you know, he's defensive of his situation. He's like, I'm
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: not a criminal. I'm a good guy. I'm just trying
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: to work. He made a good case for himself. But
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: then I asked him, and this is something you will
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: never see asked on a Spanish language television show other
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: than Fox Noticias. I said, Galacio, do you think that
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: the illegal immigrant who comes over and is willing to
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: work for less money, less hourly wage than an American
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: is undermining the is undermining the wages of the working
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: class American citizens. Are you hurting them? And then it
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: got a little dicey. And he was like, well, I
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: think all great countries need you know, people who come
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: in and work for cheap and do the hard work.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: And I was on roofs, you know, doing rough work
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: and it's difficult. And he sort of went into that.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: And at the end, I let him say his piece,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: but I said, listen, I think you're right. Illegal immigrant
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: labor does benefit Americans. It benefits the elites. It benefits
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: the corporations. but it hurts the American working class. And
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: then we've gone from there.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, there's, there's so much nuance to the situation.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: And I think if Stephen Miller was here, he would say, sorry,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: he's got to go. He's got to care if he's
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: your friend.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: You know, but I, but I think all of us
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: know people who have been here for 20 years working
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: hard and, you know, did come over illegally. And they
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: will tell you that the people came over over the
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: last four years who were given luxury hotels, free phones, Medicaid,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: debit cards.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: It's different.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: This is an entitled class compared to people who snuck
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: over 20 years ago, but were really just trying to
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: have a better life.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Well, I think those people need paperwork. And I think
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: President Trump has said, you know, we're going to have you,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: we're going to deport these people and they're going to
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: have a stipend or whatever, and then they can come
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: back in and they can do this the right way
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: if they want to. He's not saying that we should
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: have no immigration. although I think there's an argument to
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: be made that our borders need to be closed, closed
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: to legal and illegal immigration. This is not Donald Trump's position.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: And so there's going to be opportunity for people like
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: the person you interviewed to actually have some permanency in
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: the country. But we need to have some legality here.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: We can't just have people unvetted. Nobody knows who they
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: are or where they are or what they're doing, especially
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: if they're collecting Social Security benefits in some cases or
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: they're being put up for free and they're getting free
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: education and They're creating this slave class of American citizens
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: because their wages are so much lower. These issues need
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: to be addressed. The system is broken. I have a
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: lot of confidence in this admin. This admin has been
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: so brave, mom. I think that's something that you and
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: I both agree on as we look at just everything
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: that they've dealt with, even things that we don't necessarily
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: fully agree with. Trump does something and he does it
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: full on. And one example of what he's done is
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: take on the universities. And on this show, I've talked
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: about sort of nuanced takes that I have with the
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: way that Trump has gone after the university system. One
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: thing that he did was great, was he demanded of
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Harvard University an end to their various DEI programs and
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: for them to actually institute merit-based hiring again, something that
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: they have not done for a long time. Harvard says no.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: So then Trump says, okay, I'm going to pause $ 2.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: 2 billion in.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: In your federal funding. This story, mom, is going to
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: make your blood specifically boil. Because despite Harvard's $ 53 billion endowment,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: there's a professor at Harvard, Professor Sarah Fortune, from the
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Harvard School of Public Health. And she's now claiming that
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: the funding cut will lead to the euthanization of primates,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: of monkeys, used in her tuberculosis research. So a billionaire institution,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: which is essentially a tax-free hedge fund, is threatening to
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: murder a bunch of animals because they want the taxpayers'
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: dollars despite refusing to end DEI. Mom, you are a
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: lover of animals. Does this not make your blood boil?
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: I thought we cured tuberculosis. Do we have a vaccine
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: for that? So many levels. First of all, I think
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: most Americans are horrified that we give $ 2 billion to
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: Harvard when they're sitting on these massive endowments. Why are
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: we giving them this money? They don't need this money.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: And also, why are we funding that kind of research?
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: I'm so concerned about the kind of research that is
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: being done and the animal cruelty. Fauci, remember Fauci funding
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: this horrendous experiments on little beagles? Yes. This makes me sick.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: truly makes me sick. And yeah, if you don't want
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: to kill the primates, then use the money Harvard has.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's so ridiculous what she's suggesting. And again,
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Harvard has lots of money. There's no need for us
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: to be funding it with our tax dollars. I'd rather
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: see those $ 2 billion go to Catholic schools that are
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: actually teaching kids and doing it in a good way
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: than going to Harvard.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. And I think that, I
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: hope that their program shut down. I mean, most of
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: these experiments are completely unnecessary and abusive toward animals. Like
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: you said with the Beagle ones, let's shut them down.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Let's let the animals go. Let's release them into the
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: wild or if they can't survive in the wild, send
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: them to some sort of preserve, whatever it is. We
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: don't have to euthanize them. Like these people are just evil.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: It's total emotional manipulation from Harvard who thinks they're entitled
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: to our money despite sitting on billions of dollars with
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: their endowment. I want to make a note before we
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: start this raid, just for all of you listening. I
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: have one more topic I want to get to with
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: my mom, but I want to make a note that
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: yesterday and today, Rumble did not put us on the homepage.
• 54:43
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• 54:45
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• 54:48
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• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Rumble has tech issues. Some of you guys mentioned this today.
• 54:55
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• 54:58
  Speaker 1: There are these horrible, unskillable ads everywhere. We just call
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: them rumble issues. Rumble sometimes kind of sucks. So if
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: you're dealing with any of these rumble issues and you
• 55:06
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• 55:09
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• 55:12
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• 55:15
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• 55:18
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• 55:21
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• 55:24
  Speaker 1: the raid, before you guys go away. But I want
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: to get to one more topic with you, mom, before
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: I let you go. I want to be respectful of
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: your time, of course. But a lot of people listening
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: may recognize you, not just from Fox News, not just
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: because you are very politically active, and you're my mom.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: But also, if you're maybe a Gen Xer, maybe you're
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: an older millennial, they might have watched you while you
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: were on the real world San Francisco. And a lot
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: has changed in San Francisco. It's very expensive, high crime,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: human feces all over the ground, homelessness needles. This show
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: was kind of amazing as I went back and watched it.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: It was a beautiful city. You had these five strangers.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: You guys all come together. You live in this house
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: in San Francisco. It's like the first reality TV show ever.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: I look back. San Francisco was so, so amazing. It
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: looked like such an ideal place to live. Have you
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: been back there since the show started? And what was
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: it like when you were living there in the early 90s?
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: So it was relatively safe. It's a beautiful city. It
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: was the most beautiful city. There were neighborhoods that you knew,
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: like the Tenderloin neighborhood. I remember, you know, my roommates
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: who were from San Francisco would say, okay, there's a
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: couple blocks here that you can't go to. But it
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: was a relatively safe place. I went back in my 20s.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: I don't post the show after the show, but I
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: haven't been back really since. Listen, I'm going to say this.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: I'm from Arizona, and I think Arizona's gorgeous. I've lived
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: in Wisconsin, and you know all of us have a
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: heart for northern Wisconsin. It's our happy place up there
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: by the lake. We just all love it so much,
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: especially in the summer. But California is the most beautiful
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: state in the nation. Without a doubt, it has everything
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: you want. It has San Francisco. It has the mountains.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: It has, you know, the Pacific Coast Highway, Malibu, San Diego.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: Orange County is gorgeous. Northern California. I mean, it is
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: the wine country. California is a jewel. And what Gavin
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Newsom has done to that state is political malpractice.
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: It's evil.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: They took really what is paradise and they're destroying it
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: from within and they're driving out all the best people
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: in California are leaving because they can't take it anymore
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: because of the taxes. Your dad was down there. I
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: went with him when he went to LA about a
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: month or so ago to talk about the rail. I mean,
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: they take $ 16 billion in to make a rail and
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: a train. And there's like a mile of track. There's
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: no train and there's like a mile of track, maybe
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: even less. So much corruption, so much waste. And it
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: has some of the highest poverty. I think it's the
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: highest poverty rate in the country. And so anyway, it's
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: a really sad state of affairs. I still remember driving
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: over that Golden Gate Bridge coming from they took me
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: the long way into the city. I'd never been to
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: San Francisco before. And they took me over the bridge
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: and into the city. And when you cross the bridge
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: and you look out at San Francisco, the only way
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: I can explain it is it's that moment when Dorothy
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: sees the city of Oz. That's how you felt that.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: It just is so gorgeous. And so I'm a little
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: afraid to go back, Evita, because I have such beautiful
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: memories of living in that city that I think it
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: might make me sad.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: And you mentioned coming into the city and the person
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: that you actually went into the city with was this
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: guy named Judd. He's sort of this like male feminist type,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: a little bit beta.
• 59:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a little beta. And it's funny because one of
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: the first things that he says in the confessional in
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: reaction to meeting you for the first time is he's like,
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: the producers had me meet this woman. She's going to
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: be on the show with me. She's very attractive. And
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking, maybe there's something here. And then suddenly, you
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: start talking about how you're a Republican. And he's like, oh, no,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: never mind. Never mind. Do you remember that?
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of do remember that.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: It's nice that he said I was attracted. I had
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: zero attraction.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: Like if there was a number below zero, it's just
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: not my type. But still, Evita, I have no regrets
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: doing that show. If I hadn't done that show, I
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have met your dad. He's the greatest guy I know.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: And I wouldn't have you and all your siblings who
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: I love so much. And so, you know, that was also,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: we've been talking about Divine Interventions. who knew MTV was
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: divine intervention and such an important critical juncture in my
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: life and what it turned out to be. And I
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: couldn't be more grateful for that show and that experience
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: because I get you and your siblings and your dad.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you were just, you were so amazing
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: on that show. I think if people ever want to
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: go back and watch, I think it's I think it's
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: on Paramount Plus. Now, dad, and I'd say this not
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: because you're my mom and I watched your season and
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: that was really cool to see, but it was just
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: objectively really great reality TV. Like I couldn't make it
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: through dad's show. It was just kind of boring. That
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: was like, what season? Like six, five. Yeah, five. And
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: yours was season three. And it was just great. Like
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: it was great reality TV and you were kind of
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: this cool conservative. You were sort of an alt-conservative, I
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: would say. You could get your belly button pierced and
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: you can have fun and you weren't lame, but you
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: were still at your core, very traditional. You went to
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: mass on Sundays on the show. You ended up getting
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: married and having a really large family. It was kind
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: of interesting to see this sort of alt-punk 90s grunge,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: Rachel conservative that people just kind of loved. Like you
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: made conservatism cool, I felt like.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: It's been interesting over the years, you know, because now
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: like when people will come up to me, there's a
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: certain age group of people who, you know, sort of
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: grew up with me. Some of them are much younger.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, your mom shouldn't have let you watch MTV,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: you know. But, you know, one of the people that
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: was probably most starstruck was your boss, your former boss,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: Dan Bongino.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he loved the real world.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: He loved real world. And, and like, he's, there's probably
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: like two or three people that I've met through Fox
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: who were kind of starstruck meeting me just because they
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: grew up watching that show and they loved it so much. And, um,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: And so that's always been a bonding point with me
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: and Dan, the real world.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: And Dan wasn't even political at that time. But he
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: was like, hmm, Rachel, she's going to Republican events. That's
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: kind of interesting. As he was watching you, this was
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: apolitical Dan years ago. And he was watching your show
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: and just kind of thinking about things because you were
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: bringing him up on the show.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people said that it was very
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: formative for them. One of the interesting things has been
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: Rick Grinnell. Rick Grinnell was, as all of you know,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: former ambassador to the UN and to Germany. He's a
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: special advisor to the president as well. And he and
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: I have become friends. And, you know, he first got
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: to know me through the real world. Most people who
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: are gay watch my season because it was iconic for
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: gay America. Because, you know, we had Pedro Zamora on.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: He was a Cuban-American kid who, you know, was living
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: with AIDS at the time that he lived in our apartment. And,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: you know, I've had like mixed reactions. There are some,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: you know, gays who didn't like that, especially at the
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: time that I was asking questions about AIDS. It was
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: sort of like we were supposed to be instantly okay
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: with it. And, you know, me, I have a big mouth, Evita.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: I can't help saying what I think. It's both a
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: curse and a superpower. And so I was, you know,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: I asked questions that nobody else asked and some thought
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: they were really impolite and some people didn't like me
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: for it. But there were some people like Rick Grinnell,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: you know, the way I met him was he DM'd
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: me and he was, he wrote, he said he had
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: just seen a marathon, you know, I don't know if
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: this was maybe, you know, six years ago. I don't know.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: And he had seen a marathon and he was like,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: I just want to tell you how much I love
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: the season. And the reason is because all gays ever
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: wanted was to be treated like everybody else. And so
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: you didn't have some special treatment for Pedro because he
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: was sick or he was, you know, gay. It's like,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: you treated him like you would everybody else. And you
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: weren't afraid to ask questions and you weren't afraid to
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: challenge him politically. And that's all we ever wanted. We
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: just wanted to be treated like everybody else. We wanted
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: to be normalized, right? Yeah. And so from that moment on,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: I was like, that guy gets me. Yeah. And we've
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: been friends ever since.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: And there was no, I mean, like the race question too,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: like I have to imagine like the real world now
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: would be like Breakfast Club, you know, struggle session. It
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: would be just horrible because you would just be constantly
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: just overthinking everything about race and sex and gender. And
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: it became so tired. And this show was just at
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: the right time before that really kind of exploded onto
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: the scene where you could just be friends and you
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: could talk and you could have a conversation. And you
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: weren't saying something as Rachel from a Mexican-American background or Mo, Mohammed,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: from a Black American background. It was like you were
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: just people. You were just people in a house talking
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: with individual personalities, irrespective of your immutable qualities, which is
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: something that we've lost in America, I think. That's something
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: that makes the show special. so fun and sort of
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: beautiful and nostalgic to watch. And I didn't grow up
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: in that era, but I watch it and I think, wow,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: this is, I wish that conversations could be like that today.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: And instead, we're just so preoccupied with identity politics.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so not fun too. It's such a buzzkill.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: I think you're right. I think we were on the verge,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: I think in the 80s and a little bit in
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: the early 90s of reaching that sort of post-racial period.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: And I think we were on that. We were, we
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: were almost there. Um, like I said, when I met Sean, um,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: your dad, um, what is it? Maybe three years later
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: after doing that. I mean, we had a full blown
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: courtship that I swear. I mean, he's in the room
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: right now. Sean, did we ever talk about our race
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: ever in our dating life? No, I don't think we
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: ever did. I mean, we never talked about it. I mean,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: we talked about being Catholic. We talked about, you know,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: he likes Mexican food, which was good thing. Um, We
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: talked about stuff, but it just was not a preoccupation.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: But I could sense that we were moving away from
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: that post-racial thing. And then came Barack Obama, which we
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: thought was going.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: To be- To bring everybody together.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: And in fact, it was a project that destroyed race
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: relations forever. And then, of course, you had George Floyd.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: And will we ever get back to this period?
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's the golden age of the Trump administration. Maybe
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: we will get back to that. Maybe by Donald Trump
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: taking on all of these things. I mean, you see
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: this MS-13 criminal we were talking about from Maryland. Compare
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: the way we're talking about him to the dismay of
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: the media. Yeah. the way Americans are seeing that man,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: and thanks to Patty Morin and what she did yesterday
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: in that press conference, which was remarkable. Compare that, Evita,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: to the deification, the canonization in the summer of 2020
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: of George Floyd, where you weren't allowed to tell the
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: truth about who George Floyd was. You saw Carolyn Leavitt
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: lay out the domestic abuse charges, the the pictures of
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: him and his gang where, and nobody for years could
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: talk about what the truth about George Floyd, which was
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: that he held a gun to the stomach of a
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: pregnant woman.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: Why did I not know that until three years later?
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: Right, right.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: So maybe when we start talking and being real, talk
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: about the real world, when we, you know, start having
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: real conversations and telling the truth we can break the
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: rope spell and we can return to that post-racial America
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: that we almost had in the late 80s, early 90s. Yeah.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. Rewatch the real world, you guys.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: It was actually a good season. Season three. No offense
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: to dad, but not season five.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: Go back and watch.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: Mom says don't go back. I'll tell you guys it
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: was good TV. But we are out of time here.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: I'm way over time. I want to be respectful of
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: what you have going on today, mom. So where can
• 1:08:56
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• 1:08:58
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• 1:09:02
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• 1:09:07
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• 1:09:12
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• 1:09:15
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• 1:09:17
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• 1:09:21
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• 1:09:27
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• 1:09:30
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• 1:09:35
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• 1:09:39
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• 1:09:44
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• 1:09:45
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• 1:09:47
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• 1:09:49
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• 1:09:51
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• 1:09:54
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