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GTM’s Crew Chief Eric on Cars Yeah! #2141 (Crossover) · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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Rev it up and welcome to Cars Yeah!
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Show number 2, 141.
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Hello, inspiring automotive enthusiasts and welcome to cars yet today.
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I'm in Westminster with a very special guest by the name of Eric Mantra.
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Stele, Eric, welcome to cars.
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Yeah.
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Do you have any gear and are you ready to release the clutch?
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That's right, Mark.
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Let's send it.
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All right.
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I love it.
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Ladies lay some stripes as they say.
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Now, before I give you a proper introduction, what's one little thing
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that people may not know about you.
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Oh, you know, I feel like I live this, you know, duality in my
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life, you know, IT nerd by day and ultra car enthusiast by night.
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So it's a little bit of Bruce Wayne and Batman, but yeah, I come from, uh,
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I guess a long line of grassroots car enthusiasts, you know, uh, and it stems
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going back to my grandfather, who was actually a chauffeur for the Belgian
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ambassador here in the United States.
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And that's where my dad got hooked in cars and then I got it through my dad.
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Wow.
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What a job.
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That must be very interesting.
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Think about people that are chauffeurs of, well, anybody as they sit up there
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and they just listen and the stories that they hear that they can never share,
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but the stories that they hear, uh, I'm sure are quite fascinating, especially,
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uh, carting an ambassador around.
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So not only that, but the chauffeur back in those days, especially in the fifties
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and sixties, they were responsible not only for driving the ambassador
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around, but taking care of the vehicle.
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It's maintenance and the look of the car, right?
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Making sure it was clean and detailed.
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So there was a lot to that job of being a chauffeur.
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Yeah, I was, uh, where was I?
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Oh, I was down in Orange County and there was a line of Uber cars.
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I was waiting and there was a guy I noticed at the end of the line, all of
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the other folks were just sitting in their cars and he was out, uh, speed
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shining or, you know, quick detailing his car, you know, and I'm thinking
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I want to get in that guy's car.
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You know, he has a pride of ownership and, and lo and behold, I was, I got in, he
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had a water bottle there waiting for me.
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He was very professional and I made some comments to him and he just smiled and
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yeah, so a little pride of ownership.
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Love it.
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So let me give you a proper introduction.
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Eric Montristelli owns Grand Touring Motorsports, an online website where
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he and his team of exceptional riders spread the motorsport enthusiasm.
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He is the producer and co host of the Brake Fix.
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Podcast where he and his co host Brad Novak spent years in racing, wrenching
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and motor sports, tuning that experience into a top notch collection of stories and
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information and GTM and brake fix was born each week, Brad and Eric interview motor
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sports and automotive enthusiasts, sharing their stories and their enthusiasm.
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Why?
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Well, they like to say, because everyone has a story and I'm honored to be a
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guest in the future on their show.
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So I look forward to sharing that with you listeners.
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You mentioned in the intro that you were kind of a professional.
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Bruce Wayne, one thing at night, one thing during the day.
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Uh, I'm going to touch a little bit on your day job before we get into
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grand touring motorsports and break fix podcast and why you guys started
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this, but what's your day job?
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What do you do?
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You said you're into it.
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That's right.
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So.
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I guess maybe another little known fact, I actually started in web
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development when the web was new.
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So, you know, when you look back over the history of it, that
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wasn't that long ago, right?
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We're talking to early to mid nineties.
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And as an aspiring developer, one of the things I wanted to
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do was be always, obviously involved in the automotive world.
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How do I bridge those two together?
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I got involved with the local DC area car club.
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So.
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Chapters of the Porsche club, SCCA and others.
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And I started reaching out and they'll go, Hey, that kid, he's, he's got some skills.
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He can write code.
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He's doing this web development stuff.
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Do you want to run the club website, which we're now in the process of building?
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So sure.
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I'll try that, you know, and like with everything, it's all iterative, right?
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You go through these cycles, you go through these periods.
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What we built in the nineties is very different than what we
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build now in the 2020 is way more complicated by in today's standards.
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That said, that propelled me into those worlds.
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I ended up working for Audi club nationally.
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I ended up working for, I was the Porsche club national webmaster for many, many
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years, so worked in those environments and that allowed me to network with
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other people that allowed me to meet a lot of other people and see different
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parts of the automotive enthusiast world from behind the screen per se, you know,
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from behind, behind the curtain and then learn, where did I want to take that?
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Where do I want to go with this?
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So I've always.
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Sort of try to bridge the it world with the automotive world that got me into
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the timing and scoring I was I wrote my own software for that and supported many
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autocross organizations over the years That also led to a passion for autocross
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which then got me into time trials And i've been a trialer for many years that
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also led me into coaching I've been a high performance driver's education coach
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for 10 years, but i've always found a way to give back to drive back But also
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loop in technology And GTM Grand Touring Motorsports, when we brought it through,
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it's, I guess, third iteration, right?
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It's been through several evolutions over the last 20 years.
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We started a car club out of it, out of social, you know, a social
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group of enthusiasts, and we got together and we leveraged technology.
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We're all technophiles.
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A lot of us came from the department of defense and jokingly, people referred
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to us as the car club of the DOD, but we were always very technical.
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Tech heavy.
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And so, you know, complicated custom code and this and that,
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and, you know, we started virtual racing and built this whole scoring
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engine, all this kind of stuff.
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So, so for me, it was my vocation, but cars have always been my
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passion and I've always found a way to blend the two together.
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You know, this is a wonderful mix.
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And that's exactly what I was going to say.
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It sounds like you found a way to mix those two and create
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something that evolves around your passion, but you can handle it.
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When I started doing my podcast, I had to figure out all this techie stuff.
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Cause I was running a business and had all these people to do it.
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And, oh, at first it was a bit of a challenge cause I don't come
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from that world, but it's getting easier versus going way back to
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the days you were coding because I ventured into that coding sandbox.
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I call it, I don't like it very much.
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It's a scary place.
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You can really mess some things up, but it's kind of interesting.
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So I love how you develop this into what you guys are doing a Grand Touring
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Motorsports and brake fix podcast.
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Let's focus on GTM first.
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What exactly in your guy's world.
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Is that for the person listening that maybe hasn't found you guys yet?
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And how do they interact with that?
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What are you guys doing with it?
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Yeah.
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So GTM as it stands today in its eighth year in its current iteration.
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So like I said, it's gone through several evolutions.
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If you go back 20 years ago, we started as grand touring Audi and
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a lot of the content there was actually merged into the Audi club.
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So that exists in its new form over there.
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Then we spun off and became this parts distributor company that my dad Ran
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under the same name, catering to the Volkswagen Audi and Porsche community,
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specifically for track drivers, autocrossers, high performance people
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supplying them with, you know, new control arms and brake pads and rotors
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and all the stuff they needed to keep the track cars going weekend after weekend.
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And then after my dad passed away about 10 years ago, now we were
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kind of sitting around talking and Brad and I go back 20 plus years.
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Cause we were in high school together.
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And he said, And he said, you know, we can leverage technology like I mentioned
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to keep all of us budding track rats together and not go to the track alone.
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That was one of our things.
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You never want to go to these events by yourselves.
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You want to go with friends.
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It makes it more enjoyable.
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You have all these stories, all these adventures that you go on.
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And so we started leveraging that and it started to grow.
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And so we built this car club.
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Now, granted there's car clubs all over the place, but
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they're super specific, right?
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You have the Porsche club and the BMW club, and then you've got the guys that
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own the Ford Fiesta club of New England.
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Okay, great.
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We looked at ourselves as what we call non denominational petrol heads.
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We were accepting of everybody.
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You got a Miata, you got a GTI, you got a Porsche.
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It's all good.
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The idea was, are you here to promote motorsports and the enthusiasm behind it?
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How do we get young people involved?
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How do we give back to the community?
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So initially we were comprised of a lot of racers and instructors, and
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our way of giving back was getting in the right seat, working with
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people, cultivating, you know, our experiences and things like that.
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So that also led us to sit down and go, well, why don't we share some
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of these stories with other folks?
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So we started writing.
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We wrote over 300 articles in the first six years that GTM as it exists today.
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And it could have been on anything.
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Weekend recaps, field trips.
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We were taken reviewing, you know, a movie or a documentary that came out.
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We just wanted to share our experience and our knowledge with other people.
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And the podcast break fix had always been on the back burner for a while.
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The joke in break fix, it's, it's not even the build, break,
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fix, repeat that everybody tends to use over and over again.
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It goes back to the relationship that Brad and I have.
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He tends to break things and I was always fixing his cars.
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So that's where that comes from.
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Nice.
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But what we decided in 2020 because of COVID a lackluster, you just.
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Motorsports year altogether, whether it was on the professional stage or the
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grassroots stage, we looked at each other and said, everybody's at home right now.
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Nobody really wants to read.
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A lot of our members in the club had said, you know, it would be really nice
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if we could hear these stories, right?
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Do you guys want to talk about them?
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And we sat on that for a while.
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And then again, COVID hits Brad looks at me and goes, you think we should do it?
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I'm like, yeah, I guess so.
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And then his next question was, do you think anybody cares what we have to say?
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And I'm like, I think they do.
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I really do.
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And obviously we look up to folks like yourself as a mentor.
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You've been in this business forever and we're like, yeah, we, we, we got to
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get these stories out there because we realized that motor sports, especially in
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the grassroots level is very transient.
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It's a sport of convenience, not necessarily of loyalty.
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And there's some great adventures out there.
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There's some stories that, Hey, do you remember when Pat was talking about blah,
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or when this happened or that happened?
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And then three years later, people are going, what happened to Pat?
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Do you remember when Pat was coming to events?
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So again, we want to capture that.
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And so the podcast was born 2020 and we've been going strong ever
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since just aggressively, you know, getting these stories out there and
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getting them in front of people.
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Some of the things that I wish I knew, you know, what Andy
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Pilgrim's background story was.
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Well, you know, that episode's out there too, if that's what you're interested in.
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Right.
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No, it's fantastic.
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It's interesting how COVID so radically changed everything, but it did spur
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some growth in different areas.
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I saw a lot more unique downloads as we measure, uh, so called subscribers
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in the podcast world happened during COVID because people just had more time.
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I think is the reason why if you say they were stuck at home or,
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uh, perhaps they were diverted from other things they were doing.
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So I love that you guys did this and being in the podcast world has been so
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enjoyable to me because I get to bring inspiring people like you aboard to
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share stories with people that are maybe doing what they don't like and they go,
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wow, okay, Eric read, they figured out how to do this and they just did it.
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And is that in your guy's case and you're an IT expert.
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Expert, but just stepping into it and doing it.
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Is that the key to moving forward on these projects?
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So yes, and no, right.
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So a lot of folks that we talk to, cause we do have friends that are
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in this world and they, they do podcasts in different genres, right?
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Genres that I speak of.
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Would say are easier, maybe it's TV and movie, maybe it's true crime.
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I mean, those are always the popular ones and they always say, you know, just like
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we say at the track, Oh, just send it.
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You know, once the wall falls over, your subscribers will come and this and that.
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And it's not that easy, right?
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It's not that the hardest part honestly, is the business development
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part in the beginning, you get a lot of nose because who are you, why
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are you, I don't know who you are.
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It's the people that took a chance on you.
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Those are our season one guests, right?
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Just like you have, I'm sure in your long list of folks have been on the show.
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It was harder in the beginning now.
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Oh, so and so was on while I'm friends with them.
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And it becomes that whole, you know, system of everybody knows
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everybody and then it becomes easier.
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So the recording with the guests.
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Isn't the hardest part.
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That's actually maybe the easier part is having that conversation.
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The next hardest part is after the fact.
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It's what you choose to do with the content, how you choose to relay
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the story, how you get it out there.
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Are you going to spend the time editing?
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You know, that's for me where the technology comes in.
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Again.
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I enjoy that editing part.
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You know, Brad calls it the editing magic.
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He's not as involved in that side of it as he is the business development
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side and doing the research into our guests and things like that.
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He might break it.
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You know, and I got to fix it.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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So that's where I enjoy that side, but there's, there's a lot to it,
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you know, just kind of recording it and sticking it out there.
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That's one way of doing it, but it really depends just like a car.
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What is it you want to get out of it?
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You know, when you buy that Porsche or you buy that Ferrari, what is
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it you're Choosing to do with it.
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Is it just going to be the cars and coffee car, or are you going to spend time
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modifying it and making it a track weapon?
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So we look at the podcast, we look at the articles that we're writing.
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We look at GTM in the same way.
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It's this iterative evolution process.
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And it's the same mentality that we take when we're modifying our track cars.
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Yeah, it's very cool.
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I like the way all this is, is tying together, which is really, really nice.
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So if somebody wanted to be involved with GTM side of your business, do
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you accept people who have something they want to share and write?
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Does it work that way?
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Or do you solely write all the stories?
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So absolutely we're we're always looking for people to come and
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contribute to let's say the media side of the house, which is going to
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be the journalism and podcast side.
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We're always looking for references.
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We're always looking for guests.
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If you're interested in coming and writing for us, we do have a small writing team.
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They're not as active as they used to because a lot of the bloggers that we had
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have transferred now over to sub series on the podcast and they enjoy it as well.
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So you still see the mountain view, which is run by our, one of our
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members, we call him mountain man, Dan.
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We have the drive through series, which my sister took over, which
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is our monthly news episode.
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Then we have, you know, interviews with drivers and people in
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industry and things like that.
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There's always a follow on article that goes with that, but there are
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other ways to get involved with GTM.
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So we also have what we call the clubhouse where you can become a member of GTM.
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And.
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You know, mix it up with other track rats, autocrossers,
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rally drivers, and these folks.
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So if you're looking to go to an event, especially here on the East
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Coast, because we travel far and wide and you're like, Hey, I'm going
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to be at Carolina Motorsports Park.
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Anybody from GTM going, yeah, we're going to be there.
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Let's all paddock together.
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You know, let's share resources.
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Are you bringing the jack?
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Oh, I've got the cooler.
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You know, all that kind of stuff.
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You can also contribute into another product that we have called.
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Nimsa, which is the National Motorsport Safety Association.
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So if you're a sanctioning body, you want to get your rules out there.
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You want to share.
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We built this single resource for different disciplines of motorsport,
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where you can share your rules, your regs, lessons learned, things like
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that, because we do want to continue to perpetuate safety in motorsports.
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And there's a lot of different disciplines that are not.
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Up to par with others.
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There's a lot of difference between let's say dirt track racing.
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Then there is the time trials world or HPDE or autocross.
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So we're trying to normalize all that, get the information out
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to people in a central resource.
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So if you nerd out on that kind of stuff, we're looking for that.
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It's a track side assistant.
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The idea there is to.
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Correlate all this data together.
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Not only just, you know, how to get your fastest lap time, how to
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attack turn one at summit point.
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It's about the experience, right?
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When I go to V.
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I.
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R.
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I go to Watkins Glen.
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What are my expectations?
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What are the amenities?
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What's the camping like?
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You know, what are things to do when I'm there for the weekend?
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You know, again, spreading that enthusiasm because it's not just us
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going by ourselves or with our friends.
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It's our wives, our kids, our spouses are significant others.
19:38
Now, What do we do with them when we're in the middle of
19:41
Watkins Glen, New York, right?
19:42
What are there things to do other than watch the cars go around and do laps?
19:46
So we've got other things like that where people can get
19:49
involved in our organization.
19:50
So whether you want to be a writer, you want to be in the club, you
19:53
want to participate in safety, you want to work on paddock pal,
19:57
we've got something for everybody.
19:58
So my question is, when the heck do you sleep?
20:00
Uh, not very much.
20:02
Wow.
20:03
I mean, holy cow, you guys have so many parts to this magical machine here.
20:08
Lots of gears and valves going up and down and pistons and all this kind of thing.
20:12
Uh, very cool.
20:13
We're really proud of what you're doing.
20:14
I mean, an immense amount of work and pieces and, but the best part
20:18
is what I've learned after eight years of being a podcaster is
20:20
it really is about the people.
20:21
Yes.
20:22
Cars are just the catalyst.
20:23
So I like to ask my guests about driving inspirations, people who are key mentors
20:27
Influential people in your lives that have helped you become who you are today.
20:31
Is there somebody like that in your world?
20:34
I'd like to thank the academy.
20:37
Oh, my fellow podcasters.
20:40
Obviously I would, I thank my parents for instilling a hard work ethic in me.
20:45
I mean, I come from an immigrant family, so we all, we've always had that.
20:48
Roll up our sleeves, tenacity.
20:50
If something needs to get done, you buckle down and you do it.
20:52
So I bring that to every project that we work on, whether it's in my personal life
20:56
or if it's within GTM, things like that.
20:59
But within, if we just focus in on the podcasting community alone, I'd like to
21:04
give some shout outs to a couple of people that I'm very thankful for working for.
21:08
Obviously we look to you, Mark at cars.
21:10
Yeah.
21:10
As an inspiration, you're the godfather of these car related podcasts.
21:14
Well, I don't know about that, but I'm very kind of you to say that.
21:17
Thank you.
21:17
But on top of that, you know, I look to our friends, Steven Izzy
21:21
out in California who run everything I learned from movies, right?
21:24
They have been on the air for many, many years like yourself.
21:27
And they came to our rescue and said, this is how you guys do it.
21:30
This is how you get it done.
21:31
You know, we don't know the car world and every time we need
21:33
help or we ask for something, they're the first ones to say yes.
21:36
And they've been awesome.
21:37
A shout out to Brian Stever over a take two podcast.
21:40
We went to school with him as well, and he started many years ago and he was
21:44
one of those people that said, guys.
21:45
Stop overthinking this, stop being the analytical engineers that you are,
21:49
knock the wall over and get it done.
21:51
I also got to thank Don Weberg over at garage style magazine.
21:54
He's been a huge influence.
21:56
You know, he, he knows a lot of people and he's a great resource when it comes to,
22:00
you know, getting over the writer's block.
22:01
How do you talk to these people?
22:03
Things like that.
22:03
And an inspiration as well for me has also been Chuck Bennett over at Zymal.
22:08
I mean, talk about.
22:09
A parallel story in a way he started in I.
22:11
T.
22:12
He found his way out.
22:13
He was able to become a scientist and become passionate about
22:17
car care and things like that.
22:18
And I look up to Chuck.
22:19
His story is inspirational and we have it on our show and I
22:23
want to be like Chuck, right?
22:24
I want to figure out how do I stop doing I.
22:26
T.
22:26
How do I do this car thing for real?
22:28
You know, as my day job and things like that.
22:30
So those have been people that have been extremely influential in the last
22:33
two years, you know, getting us off the blocks and getting us to where we are now.
22:37
Very nice.
22:38
Well, both Don, Don's a friend of mine and Chuck as well.
22:41
I've known him way back when I was at Grails.
22:43
We competed, of course, against them all, but they started before, uh, we
22:47
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22:51
developed a very interesting, unique brand, uh, really kind of a masterful
22:56
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22:58
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So the challenge question, this is really more about the lesson
26:52
learned from a big challenge.
26:53
Maybe it's a big failure.
26:55
So walk us through a little tough time on the track since you're
26:57
a track track jockey, I guess I could say, uh, and tell us how you
27:01
overcame that and what it taught you.
27:03
One of the.
27:05
Constant challenges for any high performance driving instructor is that
27:08
we have to Adapt on the fly and what I mean by that is we're presented with
27:13
all different sorts of people that come from different Maybe disciplines
27:17
of motorsport or have zero experience what we call never nevers Weekend after
27:21
weekend, so you don't No, really ahead of time, the type of personality or
27:25
the type of person you're going to be sitting in the right seat with on that,
27:28
you know, Saturday morning or Sunday.
27:30
I often joke that, you know, I go into any track weekend with the Klingon battle cry.
27:34
You know, today is a good day to die.
27:36
But that's how I say that's how I psych myself up.
27:40
But in reality, what I've learned from my students is how to
27:43
become a better educator, how to become a better communicator.
27:46
And that translates into other things, you know, being super concise, you don't
27:49
have a lot of time on track, but more importantly, I also took from the DOD.
27:55
Customers that I work with, especially the Marines, it's a
27:57
philosophy of adapt and overcome.
27:59
I have to be very quick on my feet, learn how these people are learning.
28:04
You know, are they a kinesthetic learner?
28:05
Are they a visual learner, an auditory learner, all these kinds of things.
28:09
And then adapt my style to them to make sure that not only are we safe, but
28:13
they're learning, they're growing, they're having fun and they want to come back.
28:17
So that's always a struggle for every instructor.
28:19
And it comes with time.
28:20
It comes with time in the right space.
28:22
Not necessarily time in the driver's seat.
28:24
I don't know how you guys do that.
28:25
I, I had this idea.
28:27
I wanted to race cars way back when I bought an E36 M3 and I went to a
28:31
driver's instructor's day with BMW club.
28:34
Uh, that was actually down in Portland, but we have a great track here.
28:36
Actually a couple of them and about a third one coming up here.
28:39
And I just remember jumping into the car with that guy.
28:43
And I thought about that.
28:44
I went, man, this guy's brave to get into a car with complete strangers.
28:49
He has no idea what they're about to do.
28:51
And get them around the track safely and himself, uh, at the
28:55
end of the day and be happy.
28:56
And so my hat's off to you for that.
28:59
I love the correlation to the Marines, DOD, and how you got to
29:03
act on your feet, because I assume there's always the hot shoe.
29:07
Who thinks he knows way more than he does.
29:10
And just because he brought the fastest car doesn't mean he knows what the
29:13
heck he's doing because sometimes those are the guys to be most afraid of.
29:17
And the learning moment comes there when they're forced to
29:19
give a point by to a Miata that's been dogging them for over a lap.
29:24
A little humility gets built into the equation.
29:27
Yeah, I did that.
29:27
I decided I tried riding bikes again and I went to the track with
29:30
a motorcycle group and I had a bike I should not have been on.
29:34
It was a very fast MV Agusta F4 and we went out and I was being very
29:38
careful because I knew I didn't have the skill sets and I realized very
29:41
quickly the way they had posed this.
29:43
event was not what it was.
29:45
It was supposed to be a beginner thing.
29:46
And there were guys out there that were far from that.
29:49
And they were passing left, right.
29:50
And they'd go by me and bump my shoulder.
29:52
I'm like, what is going on here?
29:53
And I think that's the other part of it is to know when to get off the
29:56
track and go, okay, this isn't right.
29:58
This isn't working.
29:59
How do you work with people like that, that get out there and then realize,
30:02
I don't think I should be here.
30:04
Is there a way you kind of work with them to get them back out, to
30:06
give them the confidence that, okay, we'll take a different approach?
30:09
Yeah.
30:10
So around the country, there are sanctioning bodies that
30:13
certify instructors, especially for high performance drivers
30:16
education or HPDE for short.
30:18
Some of those include the SCCA, NASA, the motor sport safety foundation
30:22
and other organizations like that.
30:24
So we go through rigorous bootcamps, much like the club racers do when they're, you
30:28
know, getting their driver's licenses.
30:30
Yeah.
30:30
For track racing and whatnot.
30:32
So we go through that.
30:32
We also go through recertification year after year.
30:35
And what we do is we work on use cases.
30:38
Like some of the classic ones are the timid driver.
30:41
There's the engineer who overanalyzes things.
30:43
And then there's the overly aggressive drivers.
30:45
So those are the three big ones.
30:46
And then you kind of go.
30:48
So we're trained to deal with that, adapt with that different techniques,
30:51
emergency situations, what happens if somebody passes out behind the
30:54
wheel, all those kinds of things.
30:56
So it's sort of on par with the department of state training sometimes
30:59
where, you know, things like that, but it's, it's a great experience, but it
31:04
also teaches you a lot about your own driving because you start to analyze.
31:08
The mistakes that the newbies are making.
31:10
So you grow while they grow, but in the beginning it's tough and
31:13
there's a lot of mentoring going on.
31:15
So as a senior instructor myself, I take on, you know, instructor candidates
31:18
every year and work with them, you know, put them in difficult situations,
31:22
get them out of their comfort zone.
31:23
You know, if it's a front wheel drive guy, I'm going to stick you in a high
31:26
horsepower, you know, Viper, because I want you to be uncomfortable, but
31:29
you need to learn one of the greatest.
31:31
Things that I think Hans Stuck bestowed to us grassroots drivers, which is
31:34
the best tool you have behind the wheel is what you're sitting on.
31:38
And so these guys need to learn how to drive by feel.
31:40
And as an instructor, if you can't do that, you can't instruct because
31:43
you don't, you can't anticipate what the car is doing ahead of time.
31:46
I never thought about somebody passing out.
31:48
Oh my gosh, that's gotta be horrifying that it's ever happened to you.
31:52
It has not happened to me, but it has happened to other instructors.
31:55
We've had people have heart attacks.
31:57
I mean, there's been some unfortunate situations.
31:59
Wow.
31:59
Yeah.
32:00
I can't even imagine.
32:01
Well, I like to ask people about bucket list, looking for you, looking forward
32:05
because racing is much about that.
32:07
Looking way down the track.
32:08
Not just what's in front of you.
32:09
It's akin to life.
32:10
You should always be looking way down the track.
32:12
It sounds like to me, you may have already answered this question.
32:15
How to transition at a full time IT into what you're doing now.
32:19
Is that, that's your, your goal looking forward?
32:21
It is because i have to think about you know what is what's my retirement
32:25
job look like i've been in it a long time and you know some of these careers
32:29
for folks you know we go through evolutions oh you know you hear about
32:32
it as an example andy pilgrim is one of my heroes he didn't become a factory
32:37
driver until he was forty years old and here he is at sixty four and he's
32:40
still out there racing but before that.
32:42
He was a programmer.
32:43
He was also in it.
32:44
He ran his own company, you know, things like that.
32:46
So I asked him on the show, you know, how did you make that transition?
32:49
And he walks us through that journey, but I look at that as well, but
32:52
there's something beyond that.
32:54
If we kind of hone in on the bucket list for, for the podcast
32:58
itself for break fix, we have this.
33:01
You know, vision board in, in the, in the writer's room.
33:04
And we talk all the time, we call it Mount Everest, right?
33:06
Who's at the summit, who's at base camp, you know, and, and in between.
33:09
And for me at the top of our Mount Everest vision board, I would love to
33:14
sit down with kind of two, two guests.
33:16
And I guess one's a pair and one, she's by herself.
33:19
I would love to interview one of my heroes as I grew up in the group B era.
33:24
And that would be Michelle Mutong from Audi.
33:26
And on the other side of that, sort of in line with that, keeping
33:29
with the Audi theme, I would also love to sit down and talk Trans
33:32
Am and IMSA with Hurley and Hans.
33:35
I think that would just be a fantastic conversation.
33:37
So for me, that's the summit of Mount Everest.
33:39
Very cool.
33:40
I love it.
33:40
So we're going to talk about your special vehicle, a car that you've
33:45
had that really stands out for you.
33:46
Take us on a little ride.
33:48
I mean, I've had a lot of cars over the years.
33:51
We actually did an episode about this called Regrets in the Desert Island.
33:55
You know, the one that got away and things like that.
33:57
Yes.
33:57
But I think the better answer to this is, The experiences I've had with my
34:02
heroes, because I throw it out there and I know it's a con I'm a hypocrite when
34:06
I say this, never drive your heroes.
34:08
It's like meeting a celebrity in Hollywood, right?
34:10
Never meet your celebrity.
34:11
Cause you're going to get your heart broken.
34:13
And I think the same is true of some of the vehicles I've owned
34:16
and the vehicles I've driven, cause I've driven a lot of them.
34:19
And I'll start with one.
34:20
I owned, I, I went, when I was in college, I drove an 83 Audi.
34:25
Quattro coupe, right?
34:26
A you are quattro, right?
34:27
You know, homologated rally car, you're the only one in the state.
34:31
I think things like that.
34:32
And it was, you know, it was a head turn.
34:33
People ask me all the time, why are you driving that old car?
34:35
And I'm like, just look at it.
34:36
It's super cool, but it came with its gremlins.
34:40
It came with its shortcomings.
34:41
You know, the fantasy I had of the car that Michelle drove,
34:45
you know, up Pike's peak was not the car I was driving every day.
34:47
It was riddled with issues, you know, things like that.
34:50
And I, and I, you know, never drive your heroes.
34:52
And then here I go smoking and banded Trans Am nine 30 turbos, Renault turbo
34:57
two Vipers, you know, and I'm just, I, I'm like so excited to drive them.
35:01
And I walk away from them and I go, Oh, that was just a regrettable experience.
35:06
So those are the special vehicle.
35:09
Yeah.
35:09
Oh, well, yeah, exactly.
35:11
Yeah.
35:11
And those old Audi's, you know, we, we had one in our family.
35:14
Oh my gosh.
35:14
What a horror.
35:15
Uh, they've come a long way now, but, um, yeah, it was a hundred Ls.
35:18
My parents bought.
35:19
It stranded us in the middle of the desert over Thanksgiving.
35:22
Oh, that's terrible.
35:23
So I'm going to be your car psychologist.
35:25
I'm going to crawl into your skull a little bit here, Eric.
35:27
If you were reincarnated, pun intended, manifest as a vehicle, not what you want
35:31
to be, but how you perceive yourself as a vehicle, what would you be?
35:35
But more importantly, why?
35:37
Well, since I talked about that duality in my life, there's
35:40
two cars that come to mind.
35:42
One of which is It's a car that has kept me passionate about cars for the longest
35:48
time ever since it was introduced.
35:50
The Ferrari F40 has been that car.
35:53
It's the poster on the wall.
35:54
It's the temptress, right?
35:55
It's what has kept me excited.
35:57
It's just so raw.
35:59
It's just so perfect.
36:00
I mean, people will take issue with it.
36:01
Oh, well, the F50 is better.
36:03
Oh, well, the Enzo, the FXX.
36:05
But the F40 is what started it all.
36:07
And I kind of look at it.
36:08
It built the new empire of Ferrari, right?
36:11
It's that point in which everything changed.
36:13
They were building cars to a certain point.
36:15
The F40 came along and so on.
36:17
So I look at it as a representation of my life as well.
36:20
Like we're talking about it now is that evolution from the IT nerd doing
36:24
web and working with the car clubs.
36:26
And now here we are doing the podcast.
36:27
So the F40 is, is that point for me.
36:29
But then I also.
36:30
See the other side of it and I'm very much like the DeLorean where it gets your
36:35
attention and everybody talks about it, but sometimes took too long to get there.
36:39
It was over complicated.
36:40
It was this.
36:41
It was that there's mystique.
36:42
There's story behind it.
36:43
And so I view my life in the same way, right?
36:46
It took a minute to get there.
36:47
There was a struggle to get there.
36:49
There was a lot of things that built up and culminated to that moment
36:52
to when the DeLorean was born.
36:54
And then there's the Ethos behind it.
36:55
So I see myself in both camps in the same way.
36:58
I see myself in two different camps in real life.
37:00
Very interesting answer to that question, but I like it.
37:03
It makes a world of sense.
37:04
Yeah.
37:05
The F 40.
37:06
Yeah.
37:06
Be careful.
37:07
Never drive your heroes.
37:08
As I say, exactly.
37:09
Yeah, exactly.
37:10
So how about a great read a great book?
37:13
Uh, you're a writer, so I assume you'd probably like to read.
37:16
I do.
37:17
And we've interviewed a few authors on the show.
37:19
And one of the books that has taken me aback, I mean, I could list
37:23
off things like Colin Chapman, the man and his machines by Cromback.
37:26
Fantastic book.
37:27
If you want to get under the hood of Lotus on a clear day, you can see GM,
37:32
right, the story that John DeLorean dictated to Patrick Wright about
37:35
what was going on behind the scenes at GM in the seventies and why he
37:39
left and started DeLorean great read.
37:41
You've got the unfair advantage by Mark Donohue, you know, things like that.
37:44
But another book.
37:45
That really stood out and was, uh, the author was a guest on our show was
37:49
little Anton, which is written by John W.
37:51
Warner, the fourth famed for being the son of Senator John Warner from Virginia.
37:56
His stepmother was Elizabeth Taylor.
37:58
You know, all the things behind that are a real life Bruce Wayne, if you
38:01
think about it, but the story he crafted around the Porsche family, you know,
38:07
bringing in these aspects of these fictitious characters and blending in,
38:12
you know, You know, Hans Stuck senior and what was going on during World
38:16
War Two and all these kinds of things.
38:17
He created this entire world in a series of four books and it's,
38:21
it's absolutely captivating.
38:23
And if you're in any sort of way, a historian or an automotive
38:27
enthusiast, it brings it all together.
38:29
In not a dry way in an exciting way.
38:31
It's like this Indiana Jones type of tempo to the books and
38:35
I can't recommend that enough.
38:36
So check out Little Anton.
38:37
And there's also a podcast that goes along with that called Beyond Little Anton.
38:41
And you can hear from John Warner's perspective, you know, why he
38:45
wrote the book, how he developed the characters and all that.
38:47
And then we featured him on our show as well.
38:49
Very cool.
38:50
I've had hundreds of authors and over 2, 500 books recommended.
38:54
Nobody's ever recommended that book.
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So Bravo, Eric, for bringing something new to the car show, a recommended guest
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list, a book guest lists, a lineup.
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I love it.
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So I'm going to enable you to go on the ultimate drive.
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This could get a little scary.
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I'm going to buy you any vehicle.
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You can take it anywhere and you can be with anyone.
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Even somebody.
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Who's not with us anymore, which opens up a world of interesting options.
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Where are you going to go?
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Who are you going to go with?
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And, uh, what are you going to be driving?
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So we're going to go to brands hatch in the UK.
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One of my bucket list tracks and who will be with me?
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Sir, Jackie Stewart, who is still alive.
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He's still with us.
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What are we be driving?
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It's a toss up between the original Renault sport Clio or the new
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Megan RS, because I have to drive a French car at some point in my life.
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And I would be driving not Sir Jackie Stewart and I would appreciate it if
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he was coaching me and at the same time kind of inner, we would be talking
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about his origin and things like that.
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And the reason I picked Sir Jackie Stewart is early in my coaching career.
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As an, as an HPD instructor, I happened upon an episode of top gear where Sir
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Jackie Stewart was coaching James May and it all clicked for me at that moment.
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I learned a lot from that.
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I picked up a lot of his style.
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I call that my Sir Jackie Stewart mode, especially when I'm
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working with advanced drivers.
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He's very direct.
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You know, he's driving the car from the right seat.
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I love that.
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I don't do that with my beginners, but I would love him to coach
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me at brands hatch, you know, on his turf, uh, in a French car.
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You know, this is a very cool answer, Eric.
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And it's something that I learned a long time ago is, uh, hang out with
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people that are a lot better than you.
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Cause you can learn a lot more from them and that's pretty cool.
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You being a higher level coach, if you will, and having somebody like
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that, who's way up there in the racing world, obviously be your coach, uh,
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just gives me a little inclination of who you are, that you can always learn.
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I always get better.
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It's great.
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You've taken us on a wonderful drive today and I can't thank you enough for,
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for reaching out and being my guest here.
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I can't wait to be a guest on your show.
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This has been really great.
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And I get to meet Brad, of course.
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Before I let you go, could you share maybe an inspirational thought, some
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words of wisdom for our listeners?
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Yeah.
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So it goes back to the title of our show break fix.
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I mean, jokingly, you know, I said, it refers to Brad and I, but more
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importantly, it refers to a racers mantra that you hear around the paddock
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all the time, run it until it's broken.
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Then, you know, what needs to be fixed.
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And people are like, what do you, what do you mean by that exactly?
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And it's actually something that I've translated for my daughters.
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And I tell them all the time, as they're growing up, stop being
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afraid of what could go wrong.
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And start being excited for what could go right.
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So if you compare those two phrases, they're exactly the same thing.
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And so that's what we tell people all the time.
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Just go out there and send it.
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Have fun.
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Safety first.
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Learn.
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The speed will come.
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It's all a building process.
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It's all a learning process.
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And to your point from before, I'm very much about never stop learning.
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So if I could pass on one piece of wisdom, I think it's those two things.
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The racer's mantra or the other one.
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Because you can incorporate that into.
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Your everyday life into your career, you know, stop complaining, stop
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worrying, stop stressing about so many things that could go wrong.
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You know, the things that are keeping you from being successful, get excited
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about what could go right and what doors that will open up and what,
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what that will lead you to next.
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Powerful words of inspiration.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Not easy to do, but it's doable.
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And just knowing you can do it is what makes the difference.
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I love it.
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Fantastic.
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How can people learn more about Grand Touring Motorsports and Brake Fix podcast?
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So really easily, you can jump over to www.
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gtmotorsports with an S that's G as in Grand T as in touring motorsports.
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Break fix by either grand touring or break fix on all your favorite pod catchers
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or music apps, whichever you prefer and check out the 135 plus episodes.
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We already have published with a ton more coming with awesome guests.
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We're also supported by way of patrion.
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So if you're looking to help us out, you know, you were
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talking about giving back and.
42:56
Being involved in GTM, you can find us on patreon.
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com forward slash GT motor sports.
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I love it.
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Pod catchers.
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Is that what you said?
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Pod catchers.
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Pod catchers.
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Yep.
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I like that.
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Very cool.
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I want to do a shout out.
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Thank you to our mutual friend, Don Weberg for introducing me to Eric Don.
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Hey, thank you.
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Uh, Don, I've known for a long time.
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Uh, he supports me.
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I try my best to support him the best I can.
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So that's very, very cool.
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Eric.
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Hey, thanks for being so generous today with your time, your expertise
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and sharing your experience.
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Really proud of what you guys are doing.
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Can't wait to be on your show and meet Brad, a tremendous bit of
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juggling you're doing in your life.
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My hat's off to you, my friend.
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Cause this is, this is not an easy feat.
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What you and I do, and you've added a lot more complex complexity to your life.
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So Bravo to you.
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And to you and I talk again, I'll see you down the road or on break fix podcast.
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Thanks Mark.
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You're welcome.
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This was fun.
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