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Chuck & Buck 3-11 Hour 3: Hugh Millen talks frenzy and what's next for Crosby? · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: Well, we got to get to Hugh here and a
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Speaker 1: uh well and a jiffy. But you got time to
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Speaker 1: hear that. I'm a dope, right, everybody's got time for that.
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Speaker 1: I get it.
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Speaker 2: I'll squeeze it in.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's figure it out, enjoyable, let's squeeze in. Chuck
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Speaker 1: call himself out for being an idiot. Yeah, yeah, you
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Speaker 1: guys got plenty. Yeah, so a matter of factt just.
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Speaker 3: Go ahead and hang up on Hugh. Let's use a
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Speaker 3: whole we use We could use all four hours if
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Speaker 3: you'd like. Uh, pitt and Uh, Stanford actually played last night.
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Speaker 2: They made Stanford fans wake up at seven am to
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Speaker 2: watch it.
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Speaker 1: So the ACC tournament does start at nine am our time,
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Speaker 1: but it will not feature Stanford or Cowl or any
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Speaker 1: of the other West Coast teams.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 1: And what we're watching this morning here on our TV.
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Speaker 1: I think it's because we don't get to watch games
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Speaker 1: that yeah often live. I thought that they were actually
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Speaker 1: playing live, but it's recorded, So I'm an idiot. Oh
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Speaker 1: it's all right, sorry about that, that's all good.
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Speaker 2: All right?
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Speaker 1: Joining us now?
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Speaker 2: He is live.
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Speaker 1: Hugh Mellan is with us right here on chucking back
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Speaker 1: come morning, sir, Good morning. How are you. We're doing great,
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Speaker 1: We're doing great. Forty eight hours of tampering. The NFL
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Speaker 1: year gets underway here today and all sorts of things
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Speaker 1: to discuss with our QB one, Hugh Mellon. Let's start
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Speaker 1: with Rashid Shaheed, because I think that we were all convinced,
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Speaker 1: all four of us that he was not going to
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Speaker 1: remain a Seattle Seahawk, and yet three years fifty one
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Speaker 1: dollars to keep him. How's that going to be worth
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Speaker 1: it for the Seahawks?
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Speaker 2: And your estimation, well, I think he's got to be
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Speaker 2: a better receiver than he was last year. And he
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Speaker 2: had two in sixty six yards in twelve games. Extrapolate
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Speaker 2: that for seventeen games. That's a three hundred and seventy
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Speaker 2: seven yard season. You certainly don't want to pay that
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Speaker 2: kind of money for that. Now, there's there's an element
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Speaker 2: to how he can take, you know, take the top
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Speaker 2: off the defense. And really, you know, what does that
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Speaker 2: mean if you're if you run a post route uh
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Speaker 2: as a quarterback. Let's say there's a single safety and
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Speaker 2: you're running JSN on an intermediate crossing route and by
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Speaker 2: the way, what I'm describing happened exactly in the super Bowl.
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Speaker 2: And so you're reading that post safety. If there's speed
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Speaker 2: out there, you want as a quarterback, you just want
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Speaker 2: to clean look. You want like, hey, is he jumping
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Speaker 2: the cross route JSN or is he flying back out
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Speaker 2: of there? You just want to clean read and you
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Speaker 2: know so you will. If you've got a guy who
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Speaker 2: can turn out of his backpedal and get and where
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Speaker 2: you say, oh, he's deep as hell, I can eliminate him.
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Speaker 2: Then now you can just focus on all right, let
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Speaker 2: me get my eyes to the crossing route. So that
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Speaker 2: that's that's one of the elements when you you know,
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Speaker 2: an example of how you'd say take the top off
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Speaker 2: the defense. There's that component. Now he doesn't have, as
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Speaker 2: Chris collins Were said, the gravitational pull of k Metcalf,
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Speaker 2: who Collinsworth said is the equivalent of a planet his words,
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Speaker 2: not mine, But there's that element. But he's got to
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Speaker 2: be you know, you go watch the forty nine er
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Speaker 2: playoff game. This is you know, played twelve games. That
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Speaker 2: was that was what the tenth of it out of twelve.
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Speaker 2: You know you have Sam Darnold misses him twice on
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Speaker 2: a post route from the right side. He starts to
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Speaker 2: cross the face of the defender and then he goes
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Speaker 2: back on the outside. That's you know, I coached receivers
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Speaker 2: in high school, you know, as an offensive coordinator passing
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Speaker 2: game coordinator. I like, that's a that I'd be stop
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Speaker 2: shocked if a high school receiver did that. Then he
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Speaker 2: had to play in Camp Tampa two where he you know,
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Speaker 2: there's a hole what we call the twenty three hole,
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Speaker 2: the between the second and third shallow defender, between the
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Speaker 2: middle linebacker and the defender over the slot. There's a
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Speaker 2: window in there, and and Darnold thinks that he's going
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Speaker 2: to accelerate through because that's where the space is. But
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Speaker 2: he's choking it down, which is what you see often
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Speaker 2: from JSN. But when JSN chokes it down in his zone,
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Speaker 2: he's always making the right decision. He knows how to
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Speaker 2: choke it down. It's like it's like a shit he'd said,
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Speaker 2: you know, I know there's this thing about choking down. Well,
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Speaker 2: this is not the time to do that now. In
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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, he had a beautiful against Cover one
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Speaker 2: that's man and man. He had from the slot on
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Speaker 2: the left. He comes in he has burst up on
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Speaker 2: an intermediate breaking route. I think he got sixteen yards
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Speaker 2: on it. Carlton Davis is covering him, and you go, WHOA,
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Speaker 2: that's great acceleration, really good refinement in the route. And
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Speaker 2: they just missed on a post route to Gonzales or
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Speaker 2: achieve me, when Christian Gonzalez defended it would be more accurate.
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Speaker 2: And then on a go route that you know, just
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Speaker 2: barely overthrown. So you know you're looking, you say, you're
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Speaker 2: really close. Could the the off season with Donald and
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Speaker 2: Shaheed throwing, because remember he's acquired on November fourth, Could
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Speaker 2: the off season the training camp of just getting you know,
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Speaker 2: just fine tuning their rapport. Could that result in more Yes.
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Speaker 2: Now there's the other part of it, obviously, with the
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Speaker 2: kickoff returns and the part returns and and and quickly
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Speaker 2: remember now you've got uh, Mike McDonald, a guy who
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Speaker 2: cut his teeth at Baltimore, who was the head coach
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Speaker 2: of Baltimore, John Harbaugh. What was he what side of
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Speaker 2: the ball? Uh did he come from? It's a quick,
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Speaker 2: a trick question. He's the best teams guy, right, so
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Speaker 2: he he you know, was in that environment and you know,
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Speaker 2: I think It's worth pointing out that that the touchbacks
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Speaker 2: the Seahawks last year had they what's the number, twenty
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Speaker 2: five touchbacks on their return team. Four of them were BEFO,
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Speaker 2: four they acquired Shihied, twenty one of them were after
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Speaker 2: they acquired shihed. So you know, if teams just want
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Speaker 2: to pound it in the end zone, hand the Seahawks
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Speaker 2: the ball in the thirty five yard line. That adds
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Speaker 2: up over a period of possessions.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, okay, So at this point, you know,
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Speaker 4: we went into this obviously there's a bunch of guys
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Speaker 4: you that they that were gonna be free agents, and
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Speaker 4: with boy Mafay, Ken Walker, Kobe Bryant and now even
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Speaker 4: Rik Woland are all gone and going somewhere else, they
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Speaker 4: signed Rashid like we were just talking about, and Josh Job.
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Speaker 4: I mean, is this basically what you would have expected
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Speaker 4: when it comes time to or is there someone that
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Speaker 4: we signed that you didn't think they would have or
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Speaker 4: vice versa.
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Speaker 2: On Friday, you know, we went through the list of everybody.
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Speaker 2: The only two guys I thought that they were going
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Speaker 2: to bring back were Job and Josh Jones, the the
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Speaker 2: backup tackle, and I I still think there's you know
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Speaker 2: that that I think he's in the top sixty four
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Speaker 2: tackles on planet Earth, and so if he if he
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Speaker 2: signed somewhere else, that's not going to surprise me. I
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Speaker 2: did not think Seed was going to be coming back.
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Speaker 2: I think his camp thought they were going to be
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Speaker 2: closer to twenty million. Ends up being seventeen million. So
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Speaker 2: I'm surprised about that, you know, for kind of some
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Speaker 2: of the reasons we discussed. But you know, I'm I'm
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Speaker 2: concerned about Kane. Didn't. I didn't. I didn't expect him
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Speaker 2: to re sign, But you know, to me, that's the
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Speaker 2: one that's you know, kind of got me the most intrigued,
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Speaker 2: slash alarmed.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you got a hold, you got a void to fill.
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Speaker 1: I mean, right now, you don't have a starting running
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Speaker 1: back in the organization. I mean you still have some
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Speaker 1: free agents out there, you could still make a move
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Speaker 1: trade wise, and you still have the draft. But is
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Speaker 1: that giving you any comfort knowing that you've got these
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Speaker 1: avenues still to explore to try to replace Ken Walker?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it gives me comfort because you know, we trust
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Speaker 2: in John Sneyder, We trusted Mike McDonald. These guys have
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Speaker 2: earned it and uh and so I do not think
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Speaker 2: the guy who is handed the football uh for the
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Speaker 2: first rushing attempt in the twenty twenty six season, I
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Speaker 2: don't think he's on the roster. So let's see what
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Speaker 2: they do. You know, in the draft, they've taken three
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Speaker 2: running backs in the second round. Now, Christian Michael was
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Speaker 2: one of the worst picks by John Schneider, and and
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Speaker 2: and so to say John Schneider is great, fine, the best.
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Speaker 2: Uh sure, I'm not going to dispute that perfect or
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Speaker 2: in errant. No, you know, they make mistakes, and you know,
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna just just you know, quickly kind of there
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Speaker 2: because there was there's some back and forth we've had, Okay,
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Speaker 2: where does where does Canine stand in the league? And
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Speaker 2: for for my you know, I went through this with
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Speaker 2: the Cowboys. You know, the Emmitt Smith was holding out
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Speaker 2: and there was this belief, okay that they could they
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Speaker 2: could get by without him. And there was this kid
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Speaker 2: Lassiter who had had played for Alabama, the defending champions.
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to go through the whole list. All
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Speaker 2: five offensive linemen for the Cowboys were multiple Pro Bowl
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Speaker 2: guys left or right played in two or more Pro
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Speaker 2: Bowls and the fullback Darryl Johnson was a multiple Pro
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Speaker 2: Bowl guy. Like, if anybody had somebody to run behind
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Speaker 2: that that had you know where you'd have an opportunity
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Speaker 2: to get holes, it would be the Cowboy running back.
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Speaker 2: And yet after two games of holding out and this
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Speaker 2: Cowboys were in two and scored seventeen excuse me, sixteen
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Speaker 2: points and then ten points and Charles Haley is crying
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Speaker 2: in the locker room, just going up to Jerry Jones.
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Speaker 2: Just pay the man. I understand that, Sammon Smith. But
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Speaker 2: the point is is that you know you're defending Super
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Speaker 2: Bowl champion, you think you can survive without a guy.
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Speaker 2: This is not a looking back in the rearview mirror
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Speaker 2: and doing a Kansas City Chiefs preseason segment, but just
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Speaker 2: reviewing what Canine is to me is sets the bar
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Speaker 2: for what you need to get if you want your
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Speaker 2: running game to operate that way. And and you know,
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Speaker 2: you look at that Super Bowl there's a play where
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Speaker 2: they run a wide left and it's what's called a
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Speaker 2: G block in football. G block is when the near
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Speaker 2: side guard, not the backside guard, but the near side
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Speaker 2: guide is pulling and kicking out. Well Gray's abel. The
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Speaker 2: defensive end reads the g block, comes way up the
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Speaker 2: field and canine the ball his position on the minus twenty.
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Speaker 2: He gets his foot up into the nineteen yard line,
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Speaker 2: he has to bow back to the two twenty two
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Speaker 2: yard line, you know, two and a half yards. He
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Speaker 2: has to bow back at that point if you freeze it.
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Speaker 2: That's like a pitcher have an O two count for
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Speaker 2: the defense. They're like, you would say the chance of
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Speaker 2: him even getting to the line of scrimmage would be,
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Speaker 2: you know, twenty percent. As soon as a running back
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Speaker 2: has to bow backwards towds his own guy goal line
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Speaker 2: by more than two yards to give that kind of ground,
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Speaker 2: And yet he accelerates and outruns the defense and turns
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Speaker 2: it into a thirty yard game. The very next play,
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Speaker 2: they run inside zone to the right. The amy points
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Speaker 2: the right guard. The center gets beat across his face,
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Speaker 2: so K nine, he goes back to the left like
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Speaker 2: he's gonna cut back, but then at full speed goes
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Speaker 2: back to the right, makes the zigzag. What was that?
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Speaker 2: And that was twenty nine yards and you'd see the
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Speaker 2: acceleration out of one hundred and forty five running back
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Speaker 2: Since twenty twenty two, the ten yards split by Canine
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Speaker 2: is the second fastest out of one hundred and forty five.
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Speaker 2: Jamiir Gibbs, who I think like, I do, not think
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Speaker 2: Canine is the best running back in the league. To me,
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Speaker 2: you know, I studied the Seahawks obviously, and then I
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Speaker 2: studied the Seahawks opponents very earnestly. And so whoever the
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Speaker 2: running back is, I'm looking at given a really good
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Speaker 2: look at that guy just by extension. And so I
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Speaker 2: think Bjohn Robinson's the best running back in the league.
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Speaker 2: Jamier Gibbs, I think is better than K nine. I don't.
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Speaker 2: But Jamiir Gibbs, to me, I was like, when I
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Speaker 2: watch him, I go, holy cow, that dude has got
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Speaker 2: a turbo button. Right. He ran a four to three
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Speaker 2: six at the combine Canine ran a four to three eight.
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Speaker 2: And yet the ten yard burt the first ten yards,
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Speaker 2: which is arguably more important. Canine had a faster of
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Speaker 2: first ten yards. Gibbs was at one five to two.
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Speaker 2: Canine was at one four nine faster. In Breese Hall,
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Speaker 2: as I said, second fastest of all running backs, I hope,
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Speaker 2: I said two hundred pounds or more. And so you know,
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Speaker 2: I just I see it. You know, late in the season,
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Speaker 2: they aligned him deeper. They had him run what's called
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Speaker 2: ISO or lead draw steps to slow him down and
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Speaker 2: then he could react as I described that second play
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Speaker 2: where the inside zone. Then no it's going to be
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Speaker 2: a cutback. No, it's back to the inside zone. Like
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Speaker 2: that ability there that he showed. I don't know. I
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Speaker 2: think he's a top five or six back in this league.
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Speaker 2: You can push me into you know, maybe maybe three
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Speaker 2: or four, but you know, call it a top five back.
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Speaker 2: I know one guy who agrees, Andy Reid. So so again,
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Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not doing a Chiefs show here. I'm
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Speaker 2: just saying that I'm putting a primacy on what Seattle
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Speaker 2: has to do to replace Caneine in my opinion, whether
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Speaker 2: it's in the draft, like like if you spend a
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Speaker 2: second rounder on a guy, uh you know that that
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Speaker 2: that's that's not too rich for me. Hell, first round
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Speaker 2: it's a guy at his fault, you know, the Notre
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Speaker 2: Dame kid Love. He's not going to fall that far.
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Speaker 2: But you know, you got, in my opinion, as much
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Speaker 2: as you want to run the ball, and Seattle was
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Speaker 2: number one in the NFL in run percentage versus pass.
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Speaker 2: You're number one. You want to keep that going. You
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Speaker 2: can't just let Canine, a twenty five year old Canaine
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Speaker 2: walk out the door and expect that just you know,
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Speaker 2: any guy you have in the building is going to
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Speaker 2: replace him. I don't believe that at all.
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Speaker 4: Right, Hugh, I mean I know you well enough to
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Speaker 4: know you're not going to pretend to have a crystal
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Speaker 4: ball and be able to see into the future. And
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Speaker 4: so I'm not going to ask you something along those lines. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: way cooler. Really, I mean, I haven't actually been in
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Speaker 4: one of the rooms downstairs at your house, so maybe
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Speaker 4: you do have.
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Speaker 2: A crystal ball.
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Speaker 1: Hey, take that back, I wish I had one. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to give that gift to Hugh.
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Speaker 2: Yeah enough, that's true. He doesn't need it.
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Speaker 4: He can study, you can get the information in the
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Speaker 4: hard way. No, But I mean, ultimately, so on the
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Speaker 4: lines of the kin Walker and replacing that, I know
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Speaker 4: that that's probably your maybe your biggest area of concern,
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Speaker 4: but it's yet to be determined how they're going to
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Speaker 4: replace that what they have on the roster. I don't
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Speaker 4: think there's anybody that you can say, well, I feel
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Speaker 4: real good that that guy's going to replace it. Maybe
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Speaker 4: somebody pops. What's left on the free agent market isn't there,
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Speaker 4: And we have no idea what they would type of
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Speaker 4: trades they would be involved with with running backs on
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Speaker 4: other rosters. So just going into the draft, you just
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Speaker 4: said the love kid out of Notre Dame, Yeah, he's
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Speaker 4: definitely not going to be there at thirty two.
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Speaker 2: You'd have to move up to get him.
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Speaker 4: But if they were to go with a thirty second
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Speaker 4: pick and take the second best, who they think is
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Speaker 4: the second best that's not too rich for your blood,
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Speaker 4: you'd be okay with them filling that hole with that
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Speaker 4: big draft capital.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I haven't studied those guys generally. I
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Speaker 2: just I tell Rich that, you know, our boss, I say, look,
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna study the guys there we all
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Speaker 2: think are first rounders. If if you're looking for who's
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Speaker 2: that fifth round nugget safety, you know, watch Meil Kuiper.
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Speaker 2: You know I'm not going to give that to you. Now.
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Speaker 2: Once the Seahawks draft guys, I'll go through all their
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Speaker 2: draft picks. And I've done this with you guys for
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Speaker 2: several years. I spend that entire draft weekend studying tape
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Speaker 2: of the guys that just acquired by Seattle, and then
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Speaker 2: I'll give you my best assessment at that point. But
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Speaker 2: so I don't know who that would be. You Look,
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Speaker 2: I can, you know, I can search the internet, like like, hey,
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Speaker 2: show me the top five running backs, you know, but
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Speaker 2: that doesn't mean I have an evaluation of them. So,
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Speaker 2: but yes, to answer your question, that spot late first round,
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Speaker 2: you know, Rasad Penny was the twenty seventh pick. Given
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Speaker 2: what I believe K nine gave you and and and
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Speaker 2: you're getting the picture of that, I think he gave
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Speaker 2: you a lot. And I think it's going to be
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Speaker 2: somewhat difficult to uh. I think I think it's unlikely
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Speaker 2: that the guy who he has handed the ball on
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Speaker 2: the first rush of the year. I think it's unlikely
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Speaker 2: that that guy's going to be a skilled as Kenneth Walker,
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Speaker 2: but he could be. Look, Alvin Kamara is one of
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Speaker 2: my favorite running backs of the last twenty years. I mean, like,
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Speaker 2: like just when I saw him in person, you know,
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Speaker 2: ninety nine percent of the guys you know, when I
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Speaker 2: see you, guys say, well, I've watched him on TV,
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Speaker 2: but he's the he's a one percent guy where I go. WHOA.
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Speaker 2: I've seen Alvin Kamara play on Monday Night Football or whatever,
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Speaker 2: you know, Sundays ten times at least, and I never
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Speaker 2: knew he was this good from when I saw him
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Speaker 2: in in uh in person. That was just my impression.
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Speaker 2: And so there's guys you can you can hunt get
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Speaker 2: what was he a third rounder or fourth?
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Speaker 1: Third or third?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so you can get it. You can get guys.
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Speaker 2: You just have to evaluate.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, he's never had a thousand yard rushing season.
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Speaker 1: That sam's strange.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he catches on passes year, that's crazy. I
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Speaker 2: just thought he had this beautiful frame. Oh, incredible acceleration,
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Speaker 2: great vision. I'm taking him right now, catch the football.
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Speaker 2: I think it could get him for a seventh rounder
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Speaker 2: right now. Yeah, I mean i'd be wary, right I
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Speaker 2: think I think that thirty yard wall, thirty year wall
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Speaker 2: is real. Yeah, but you know, I'm I'm thinking of
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Speaker 2: the younger Alvin Kamara when he was, you know, just
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Speaker 2: entering into his prime.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 2: You know, it just shocked me. And he was available third. Hell,
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Speaker 2: I handed Carl Davis's first rush of his entire career.
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Speaker 2: He was a sixth rounder, right, you know, so it
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Speaker 2: can be done. But you know, I think if you
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Speaker 2: had to make me predict the crystal ball that you're
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Speaker 2: talking about, I think the most likely thing is Seattle
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Speaker 2: will use their second round pick on it. Right now, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I agree, that's the most Now, all the other options
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Speaker 2: are more than fifty percent. So I'm not saying that
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Speaker 2: it's that that second round is fifty percent of more.
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Speaker 2: I'm just saying its probability is higher than any other option.
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Speaker 1: Hugh, we haven't even gotten to Woolen or Crosby yet.
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Speaker 1: He can do the segment while doing hot yoga. That's true,
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Speaker 1: that's true. He is the best for her reason. All right,
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Speaker 1: QB one joining us here today on Chuck and Buck
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Speaker 1: as we kind of put the last forty eight hours
20:36
Speaker 1: into perspective. Free agency wise, so Hugh the team says
20:40
Speaker 1: goodbye to Rek Wooling. He goes to the Philadelphia Eagles
20:43
Speaker 1: one year, fifteen mil, and they keep Josh Job on
20:47
Speaker 1: a three year, twenty four million dollar deal. Is that
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Speaker 1: a Is that an exchange that you are happy to make?
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Speaker 2: That's a complicated answer for me, because you know, just
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Speaker 2: I'll give you my take on on Greek Wollan and
21:02
Speaker 2: most of my takes, I like to be grounded and
21:04
Speaker 2: rooted in facts because I think that they're they're more compelling,
21:09
Speaker 2: more convincing. I'm gonna veer off of that a little
21:12
Speaker 2: bit and and kind of do my own just personal
21:15
Speaker 2: speculation if I've I've done some creeping on to Tarik
21:19
Speaker 2: Wollen and is his history. He came out out arleeds
21:24
Speaker 2: and heights in Fort Worth, Texas and and and the
21:26
Speaker 2: reason I went down this this, uh, this road is
21:30
Speaker 2: because when I saw him for the first time in person,
21:34
Speaker 2: you know, standing five feet away from me, he looks
21:37
Speaker 2: so unusually freakishly tall. He's in the hundredth percentile for
21:43
Speaker 2: corners backs four height, one hundred percentile for arm length,
21:47
Speaker 2: one hundred percentile for forty and ninety nine percentile vertical.
21:51
Speaker 2: And you look at him, he just doesn't look like
21:53
Speaker 2: an NFL corner. So I said, I gotta, I gotta
21:57
Speaker 2: dive in on this guy. In part also because of
22:01
Speaker 2: how he played corneries me. He was bench for not
22:03
Speaker 2: being physical enough. You know, the maddest I've ever been
22:07
Speaker 2: at him was in the forty nine er game in
22:10
Speaker 2: Week one when he just was a non competitor on
22:13
Speaker 2: the play that Tunguus caught for the touchdown, right, And
22:16
Speaker 2: so I kind of had a theory, and it was
22:20
Speaker 2: that this guy wanted to be a basketball player, then
22:25
Speaker 2: took a security throughout to being a corner in the NFL,
22:28
Speaker 2: which is really all he could do to make money.
22:31
Speaker 2: And as a junior in high school he was described
22:34
Speaker 2: as a high flying dunker. He was the newcomer of
22:38
Speaker 2: the year and junior. Remember now this is Fort Worth,
22:42
Speaker 2: you know, Dallas area that you know, this is pretty
22:44
Speaker 2: competitive hoop, and so that that kind of flails out
22:50
Speaker 2: on him. He goes Now, having coached high school football,
22:55
Speaker 2: I can tell you that, and every coach who's driving
22:58
Speaker 2: and listening, they'll nod their head. First day of practice,
23:01
Speaker 2: the wide receiver line has got thirty thirty five guys
23:05
Speaker 2: and the dB line has got four. Like everybody who
23:10
Speaker 2: thinks that, you know, they want to be on the
23:11
Speaker 2: football team but really don't want to mix it up,
23:14
Speaker 2: they start off at wide receiver, and so he is
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Speaker 2: wide receiver. In fact, he was a wide receiver Texas
23:19
Speaker 2: San Antonio his first three years and they finally moved
23:24
Speaker 2: him to dB because you know, he just didn't have
23:26
Speaker 2: the wide receiver skills. So I think that this is
23:31
Speaker 2: entirely unfair. I'm not in his head. What I'm saying
23:34
Speaker 2: could be flat. But my hunts is that the guy
23:38
Speaker 2: that like playing corners his third favorite position, you know,
23:43
Speaker 2: as to be a professional athlete. So so there's some
23:46
Speaker 2: issues there, but that athleticism is freaky. And the play
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Speaker 2: made against Juan Jennings John Jennings, Yeah, the play he
23:58
Speaker 2: made where Jennings went behind the line of scrimmage and
24:03
Speaker 2: it was man to man and he he put the
24:05
Speaker 2: turbo button on, grabbed him on their shoulders, threw him down. Uh,
24:09
Speaker 2: just like he was, you know, a straw man, a
24:12
Speaker 2: pumpkin patch like he his his high side is really enticing.
24:19
Speaker 2: And right even up to the last impactful play he made, uh,
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Speaker 2: which which I would describe as the one in the
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Speaker 2: third and four Uh in the in the NFC Championship
24:29
Speaker 2: game with the the Rams down on the goal line,
24:32
Speaker 2: see how played man and man? Now fourth down they
24:34
Speaker 2: played zone, but on third down they played man to
24:37
Speaker 2: man and and uh they they had Rik wollen on
24:43
Speaker 2: On uh uh On, Puka Nikoua and and so, uh,
24:51
Speaker 2: you know, that just tells you. And that's after he
24:52
Speaker 2: had already been burned, so that Mike McDonald's telling you
24:55
Speaker 2: what he thinks of him, that that he has that ability.
24:59
Speaker 2: And so yeah, it's tough to watch an athlete like
25:01
Speaker 2: that get out of the building. But I am not
25:04
Speaker 2: surprised whatsoever. You know, the three losses he had key breakdowns,
25:09
Speaker 2: and all three losses he had a breakdown. And you know,
25:12
Speaker 2: they're they're run at history in the Super Bowl to
25:15
Speaker 2: be the first team to pitch a shout out, he
25:17
Speaker 2: gives up the touchdown. I just feel like they they
25:20
Speaker 2: think that the the the inconsistencies are just you know,
25:25
Speaker 2: the juice ain't worth the squeeze there, even at that price.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean they but then compare that to
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Speaker 4: what you know of of seeing through your studying with
25:34
Speaker 4: Josh Job then, I mean, because undrafted not the same
25:38
Speaker 4: measurables obviously, and yet maybe just more of a football player.
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Speaker 2: Good athlete though played it at Alabama. You know, Carl
25:44
Speaker 2: Scott was the his coach there. He's now the defensive
25:49
Speaker 2: passing coordinator and so you know he's taught by the
25:54
Speaker 2: best at Alabama. You know, good size, not elite, good speed,
25:59
Speaker 2: you know, good traits, now elite, but you know Alabama
26:01
Speaker 2: level traits, right, So not Riek Wollan trades, but pretty good.
26:05
Speaker 2: I would just say that, you know they you know
26:09
Speaker 2: his the price is right there, that's that's the value.
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Speaker 2: You know, he's not a three million dollar corner. He's
26:15
Speaker 2: not an eighteen million dollar corner. He's you know that
26:19
Speaker 2: the price is right and and but I would say,
26:22
Speaker 2: you ask me, uh, who's the number eleven player on
26:27
Speaker 2: the offense, I'd say Anthony Bradford. Who's the number eleven
26:31
Speaker 2: player on the defense, I'd say Josh Job. Uh, well,
26:36
Speaker 2: I mean tell me, tell me who I mean that's
26:39
Speaker 2: that's and that's a really good defense, right, that's a
26:42
Speaker 2: historic defense. So it's not it sounds like a slam,
26:46
Speaker 2: you know it is. I'm not I'm not. I'm not
26:49
Speaker 2: trying to back off of that. But I think he's
26:51
Speaker 2: the least capable starter for his relative to other players
26:56
Speaker 2: on that field. I think he's the least capable. So
27:01
Speaker 2: on some level, is I'm not saying he's a pigeon,
27:03
Speaker 2: you know, but but I think that if you're trying
27:06
Speaker 2: to find on a on a on an array of great,
27:09
Speaker 2: great talent, if you're trying to find a guy a
27:12
Speaker 2: weakness to try and expose, I think teams look would
27:16
Speaker 2: look at him. I know some teams absolutely have done that.
27:21
Speaker 2: And uh and and that, and that's what I would
27:24
Speaker 2: do if I was trying to attack Seattle. He'd be
27:27
Speaker 2: the one guy that that you say, well, there might
27:29
Speaker 2: be a chance with him.
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Speaker 1: Well, you are the man. Uh, you've made it clear
27:34
Speaker 1: again today. Uh So we do appreciate your extra time
27:38
Speaker 1: here this morning. Certainly a lot more to discuss, but
27:41
Speaker 1: uh we uh we will talk to you again real soon.
27:44
Speaker 1: How's that sound, hammered down? Always good to be with you,
27:46
Speaker 1: all right? RQB one Hugh Mellen, former NFL quarterback, former
27:49
Speaker 1: you dubbed quarterback, and our chief analyst of the game
27:53
Speaker 1: of football around these here parts, breaking it down for
27:55
Speaker 1: you here on the first day of the first NFL season,
27:59
Speaker 1: and all things the Seahawks have and haven't done in
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Speaker 1: the tampering period process. All right, coming up next, we
28:06
Speaker 1: might as well stay on football for one more segment.
28:08
Speaker 1: We didn't get to Max Crosby with Hugh So we'll
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Speaker 1: discuss that next Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
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Speaker 1: A couple of things here today from the National Football League.
28:29
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones resigned by the Indianapolis Colts to an eighty
28:33
Speaker 1: eight million dollars deal two years, eighty eight million dollars
28:37
Speaker 1: for Daniel Jones. They saw enough of him last year
28:39
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis and he was pretty good. He was pretty
28:41
Speaker 1: good for the Colts kind of collapsed and his injury
28:45
Speaker 1: a big reason why he Also set to Daniel Jones
28:48
Speaker 1: stories today that he is going to be ready for
28:51
Speaker 1: the start of the season absolutely, despite the injury that
28:54
Speaker 1: he suffered at the end of last year. Also, the
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Speaker 1: Ravens have pivoted away. They are adding Trey Hendrickson. They're
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Speaker 1: the team that's picked up a guy that was kind
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Speaker 1: of the runaway best free agent available after the tampering period.
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Speaker 1: Four year, one hundred and twelve million dollar deal on Hendrickson.
29:13
Speaker 1: More on that in a matter of seconds. And then
29:15
Speaker 1: the third and final thing I should mention that has
29:17
Speaker 1: been reported today in the NFL is that not only
29:21
Speaker 1: are we going to have Thanksgiving games, they are going
29:23
Speaker 1: to try to get us to watch football the night
29:26
Speaker 1: before Thanksgiving as well. Why not? You don't have work tomorrow,
29:30
Speaker 1: so they will have a Thanksgiving Eve game in the
29:33
Speaker 1: National Football League, it looks like as well, and maybe
29:36
Speaker 1: as early as this year. I don't know if I
29:38
Speaker 1: heard that story. I heard his secondhand, but yeah, in
29:41
Speaker 1: the future, in the immediate future, they're exploring Thanksgiving Eve
29:46
Speaker 1: also as a possibility for us to watch more football
29:49
Speaker 1: and ignore our families and loved ones. Perfect come true.
29:53
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Trey Hendrickson because it does tie into
29:56
Speaker 1: this Max Crosby story. I was hoping to get to
29:58
Speaker 1: it with the human We had a lot of other
30:00
Speaker 1: things to discuss, but man, what a story. And if
30:04
Speaker 1: you're not monitoring it when this broke last night, I
30:08
Speaker 1: mean ed just left everybody just okay. This affects everyone
30:13
Speaker 1: in the league because we've just done two days of signings.
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Speaker 1: We just had a tampering period where everybody loaded up
30:20
Speaker 1: and went ahead with their offseason game plan sans Max
30:25
Speaker 1: Crosby and his destination being on the horizon because he
30:31
Speaker 1: was a Baltimore Raven right and the Raiders were getting
30:34
Speaker 1: two first round picks. Well, the Ravens have backed out
30:37
Speaker 1: of that they have nixed the trade, they get to
30:40
Speaker 1: lean on medicals. But a lot of people in the
30:42
Speaker 1: National Football League are not buying this. They believe that
30:47
Speaker 1: the Ravens saw an opportunity to get Trey Hendrickson on
30:51
Speaker 1: a four year, one hundred and twelve million dollar deal,
30:54
Speaker 1: similar position, similar age, similar career production, and yet they
30:59
Speaker 1: could get him on a contract of similar money without
31:03
Speaker 1: having to give up two first round picks. And many
31:06
Speaker 1: across the league believe that they smell a rat that
31:08
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens did this intentionally froze the market, froze
31:13
Speaker 1: everyone out of the Max Crosby market, and then renegged
31:16
Speaker 1: on the deal so that they could get the deal
31:19
Speaker 1: that suited them better. And so Max Crosby goes right
31:23
Speaker 1: back into the pool to be bid on by teams
31:26
Speaker 1: that may have missed out on the trade, maybe got
31:29
Speaker 1: outbid by the Baltimore Ravens, even though they're already well
31:33
Speaker 1: down the road with their offseason plans. So quite the
31:36
Speaker 1: mess the Ravens have created here, whether you believe in
31:39
Speaker 1: them or you don't believe them.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I mean, ultimately, some of the teams that
31:44
Speaker 4: were in the mix can still jump back into it, right.
31:47
Speaker 4: I mean it's like, I guess if you went to
31:50
Speaker 4: get one of those you know, toys off the shelves
31:53
Speaker 4: at Christmas, off the shelves at Christmas, that flies off
31:56
Speaker 4: the shelves and you're like, oh, man, I really wanted that,
31:58
Speaker 4: Max Crosby, and then it's gone, and now was saying, what,
32:02
Speaker 4: there's another one on the shelf. You can go get it,
32:04
Speaker 4: unless you've spent too much money, unless you've you've already
32:08
Speaker 4: got the guy that you thought would have been better
32:11
Speaker 4: in that situation, or or I don't think that a
32:14
Speaker 4: lot of people will buy. I mean other organizations will
32:18
Speaker 4: buy that whatever they saw in his physical yesterday was
32:23
Speaker 4: worse than what it was before, because I think that
32:26
Speaker 4: they all all of them that were interested. As a
32:28
Speaker 4: matter of fact, probably every single team inquired as to
32:32
Speaker 4: all right, you guys are shopping Max Crosby, were it
32:35
Speaker 4: colorless interested? Even if you don't you have no intention
32:38
Speaker 4: of giving away a first round pick, let alone two
32:41
Speaker 4: and taken on his contract, you'd still like, well, I
32:44
Speaker 4: want to know what's up. I want to know what's
32:46
Speaker 4: up with his medical thing. Well, yeah, he had him
32:47
Speaker 4: aniscus situation. It was a little bit more than what
32:50
Speaker 4: just a cleanup. There was an actual repair done, which
32:54
Speaker 4: is a little bit longer timeline for recovery. He just
32:57
Speaker 4: got off crutches a week ago. But I don't think
33:00
Speaker 4: anybody is thinking he's not going to be ready come
33:03
Speaker 4: time for the season. Max Crosby, Max Crosby, I'm sure
33:06
Speaker 4: that he thinks he's gonna be ready, and I think
33:08
Speaker 4: the Ravens thinks so. I think it was more the
33:11
Speaker 4: Ravens who have went up against Trey Hendrickson probably thought
33:16
Speaker 4: that dude is going to get signed by someone, and
33:19
Speaker 4: so we're gonna jump to the front of the line
33:22
Speaker 4: and get the best thing or the next best thing,
33:25
Speaker 4: a comparable thing. In the Max Crosby, we'll give away
33:28
Speaker 4: these two draft picks to go ahead and get a
33:31
Speaker 4: guy like that and put him right into our defense.
33:36
Speaker 4: And when all of a sudden, the first the tampering
33:39
Speaker 4: period goes and you basically go through the first and
33:41
Speaker 4: second wave of it, and Trey Henderson still sitting there
33:45
Speaker 4: and you're thinking, well, let's go ahead and see what
33:48
Speaker 4: might be. I mean, they could ask a question, what's
33:51
Speaker 4: he asking for? And it's at or slightly below what
33:54
Speaker 4: Max Crosby would be getting on his existing contracts, and
33:58
Speaker 4: so you can get the same type of a player
34:00
Speaker 4: for same type of money and you get to keep
34:02
Speaker 4: your two first round picks. It makes total sense to
34:05
Speaker 4: me why they would do it now.
34:06
Speaker 1: Is it shady? Sure, it's shady as f uh, And
34:10
Speaker 1: it did sort of a I mean like the Dallas Cowboys,
34:12
Speaker 1: for example, they went after Rashaun Gary and now they
34:16
Speaker 1: don't have the cap space to go get Max Crosby,
34:18
Speaker 1: so they're they're out of it.
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Speaker 2: They're out, they're out of the market.
34:22
Speaker 1: I mean, the Seahawks do have the cap room to
34:25
Speaker 1: do this, and they do have enough draft capital that
34:29
Speaker 1: they can pull this off to get Max Crosby, especially
34:32
Speaker 1: if the price has gone down since yesterday on Crosby.
34:36
Speaker 1: I have a feeling it hasn't. I have a feeling
34:38
Speaker 1: that everybody that was interested before, and I don't know
34:43
Speaker 1: if the Seahawks are one of those teams, don't know,
34:45
Speaker 1: but everybody that's interested before is still interested today. And
34:49
Speaker 1: I I'm you know, maybe the Ravens can't be hit
34:53
Speaker 1: with any kind of penalty from the NFL because they
34:56
Speaker 1: can just lean on the medicals that they received and
34:59
Speaker 1: that's a pretty broad area to say, well, we didn't
35:02
Speaker 1: like something about it, Yeah, sue us. I mean, so
35:06
Speaker 1: they can lean on that. But I have a feeling
35:08
Speaker 1: everybody else is under the impression that something shady's going on,
35:13
Speaker 1: and if we have a chance to get Max Crosby,
35:15
Speaker 1: we're going to try to get him. I don't think
35:17
Speaker 1: that his contract, or excuse me, his trade value is
35:20
Speaker 1: going to diminish all that much, but it's certainly going
35:23
Speaker 1: to be lower than what Baltimore paid for him two
35:27
Speaker 1: first round picks. So the Raiders aren't gonna get that.
35:30
Speaker 1: They're not gonna get the fourteenth overall pick and next
35:32
Speaker 1: year's first rounder. Now could they get the Seahawks thirty
35:36
Speaker 1: second overall and next year's first rounder if they were
35:39
Speaker 1: interested in doing that before. My guess is they're interested
35:42
Speaker 1: in doing and now. And I do believe that the
35:45
Speaker 1: water is under the bridge on the Crosby Raiders relationship.
35:49
Speaker 1: So I think he's going to be traded, and I'm
35:53
Speaker 1: not sure that his value has diminished on the trade
35:56
Speaker 1: market whatsoever based off of what's happened here in the
35:59
Speaker 1: last twenty four hours. We shall see all right, coming
36:01
Speaker 1: up next there's a lot of baseball stuff to discuss.
36:04
Speaker 1: Cal we and and Randy we've already discussed, want to
36:07
Speaker 1: discuss a little bit more. Also, we got to talk
36:09
Speaker 1: about the Team USA Mark de Rosas situation as well.
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