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They're Creepy And They're Culty, The Manson Family · Hocus Pocus Lack Of Focus

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  To see on the spot, check the Hocus Pocus Lack of Focus, the
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  very own educational podcast that brainwashes you with topics
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  such as witchcraft, paranormality, true crime,
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  strange history, and everything weird and wonderful in the
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  world. Today we will be talking about
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  Charles Manson and the Manson Family.
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  I wonder who wrote today's notes?
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  It's Misha Jussie, and I could easily be convinced to kill at
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  Toba. Ben and Jerry's Doberly
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  delicious because I'm fat. I'm joined by a man who wishes
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  he could convince people to do stuff like stay on topic for
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  five fucking minutes. It's Ocean Byrne.
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  I will kill you both. And our Hostess with the most
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  chest who would have 100% joined the Manson family and killed
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  anyone he asked without the LSD. She loves a little rat man.
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  It's Danny. Thomas.
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  Can't deny it, Can't deny. It like you would, you would
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  like 100% be a day one recruit into the Manson family.
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  Like he he wouldn't even have to convince you much.
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  He'd just be like, hey, you want to come party?
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  You'd be like, yes, absolutely. Free LSD, OK like absolutely
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  like 19 year old me I would have absolutely just just been in a
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  fucking cult without realizing. Can you, can you overdose on LSD
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  to the point where like it kills you rather than like, you know,
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  you think you can fly and you jump off something?
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  I don't think so. Because like, that would be what
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  you would do. It's a good question.
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  You would just you would drink like a liter of liquid LSD.
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  I was like, how many tabs can I fit on my tongue?
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  And your brain would just explode.
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  Yeah, it would be very tiny. I mean the movie Salt Lake City
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  punk. No.
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  It's good. There's a character in the the
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  movie that he has a bunch of tabs of LSD in his pocket and
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  he's runs from the cops, but he runs through some sprinklers and
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  they're all the sheets of LSD just soak and go into his skin.
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  And he's left Catacomic for the rest of his life.
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  Yeah. So he's, he's, he's just a
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  zombie for the rest of his life then?
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  Like I at that point I would just be like, just put me down.
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  You know what I mean, if it got to that point.
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  But I, I always say to like my family, Well, well, when I, when
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  I did speak to my family, when I die, funerals are so fucking
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  expensive. Just throw me over the fucking
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  fence. Like why are they so expensive?
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  Yeah, just throw me into like the verge on the side of a Rd.
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  Anywhere, man. Like I don't need a fucking
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  fancy box with brass handles. I know I've talked about this on
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  the podcast before. Those handles on coffins,
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  they're not functional. You can't pick a coffin up with
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  those. No, no, no.
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  They're. Decorative handles.
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  So it's like what the fuck am I paying for?
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  You know what I mean? Just just throw me in a lake.
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  I'd want to be, I'd want to be like driven to somewhere
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  picturesque but then thrown into a ditch, like to, to, to
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  fertilize the land. Yeah, you know, be useful.
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  Just give back. Like I want to be as much of A
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  nuisance as possible. You want to be like discovered
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  somewhere there shouldn't be a body.
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  Yeah, yeah, like a children's playground.
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  I want to make JFK Park. I want to be on the news, that's
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  I want to make sure people know. Like you, you want your body to
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  be found in a place that like the number.
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  One question would be how did that body get there?
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  Like what? The fuck?
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  What was that chick who was found in the water at the water
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  tank in that hotel? Oh, at least the lamb in the
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  Cecil. Hotel.
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  Yeah. Everyone was drinking her.
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  Oh yeah. Yeah, we could do a whole
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  episode on the Cecil Hotel. Because we should do.
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  We've been talking about that, yeah.
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  Yeah, it's so like, and then American Horror Story Hotel like
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  that was based on on the Cecil. That was great.
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  I think that was the best series of American Horror Story.
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  Season 2 was my favorite. And asylum and hotel.
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  Yeah, Asylum. Was it asylum that like like
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  towards the end like one of them just opened up a door and it was
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  just like a fucking UFO? Like yes, they're.
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  Doing everything. Spoiler alert.
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  It was so fucking good. Like it was a perfect, perfect
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  show up until Jessica Lang left. And then it was just kind of
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  like, yeah, I was kind of in and out.
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  I liked Roanoke and Colt, but I haven't watched I think
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  anything. I tried to watch the one.
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  What's the 1:00 where they're like in the seaside town up in
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  New England somewhere? Was that didn't do a witch
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  season. Yeah, I love that one.
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  That was Covenant. I watched that every Halloween,
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  but there was one that was like, oh, it's a newer 1, I think it
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  was season 9, and it's just basically set in like a seaside
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  town in New Hampshire. Is it just called American
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  Horror Story? We're doing Stephen King now.
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  Pretty much, yeah. Like.
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  American Horror Story have some chowder.
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  Shout out. And then there was like there's
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  a the whole kind of link to previous characters like Madison
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  Montgomery, who was in Season 3, who was Emma Roberts, you know,
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  the the surprise bitch, but you never thought you'd see me again
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  in Season 1. It was Montgomery was the
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  surgeon who was apparently killed, the Black Dahlia and all
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  took place in the house and stuff.
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  But this is kind of like the fishing town, like north of
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  where that I don't know. It's, it's, it's, it's a really,
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  really, really like intricate show.
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  And I wish I had enough patience for it, but I don't.
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  I really don't. There's not going to be a
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  swimming pool, you stupid slut. Fuck Yeah, I use that.
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  I use that gift. I use that gift like 5 * a week.
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  Send this. To me, like literally every day,
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  there's I. Do send it to you all the time.
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  Just the you stupid slopper, yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah, Jessica lying is incredible.
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  The, wasn't it the the Asylum series where she's like, yeah,
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  it must because like she goes mental and she just like starts
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  singing the like Bobana Fofana song and there's like a dance
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  and there's like a dance routine and it's fucking amazing.
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  Or the worst thing is like fucking like I'm after I watch
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  it for I'm like literally in my head all day every day is like
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  Dominique Kitty Kitty. That's yeah.
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  Because I hate I'm struggling to remember any of it, but that
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  song is embedded in my head. Yeah, fucking terrifying.
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  It's so scary, but it's such a fucking like Zachary Quinto as
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  umm, the bad guy, like Zachary Quinto in anything, but he was
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  fucking incredible in that. Oh, he's and you had the he's
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  the farmer from babe, which is also fucking like Chloe Savini
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  as well. Like, amazing.
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  Such a good Star Trek connection there between the farmer from
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  Babe and Zachary Quinto. Was he in?
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  Oh nice. Yeah, the farmer from from Babe,
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  I can't remember his name. It's like James something.
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  I think he was in Star Trek for his Contact.
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  No, no, he was in Star Trek First Contact to play the
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  character called Zefran Cochrane, who was the human who
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  invented warp Dr. And in that movie they went back in time.
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  Fuck yeah. They went back in time to like
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  when he was invented because the Borg went back and they had to
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  go back and stop the Borg from stopping.
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  First Contact from having it is the best Star Trek movie.
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  It fucking slaps. And then everyone is rude to
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  Will. A friend of mine, weird friend
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  of mine, a friend of mine, he called joints Wesley Crushers
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  and it's one of the greatest slangs for joints I've ever
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  heard in my entire life. That's.
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  Pretty good. I don't understand that.
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  I'm glad. To go for some Wesley Crushers.
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  Me and the boys are smoking a few Wesley's.
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  Fucking amazing. I don't I don't understand.
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  Shut up, Wesley I. Don't understand why it's Wesley
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  Crusher, but it makes sense. The only thing I can why not to
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  is yeah Weed. Weed Cigarette and Wedley Wesley
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  Crosser are bought. WC.
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  Yeah, yeah. We're going to have a weed
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  cigarette. Wasn't that vine Chris?
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  Is that a weed? 919911 on the microwave like.
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  Why? Why are we doing a podcast on to
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  this? Star Trek.
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  Manson so I will right, I have to say so this is still I I
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  tried to simplify it as much as possible it's still 6 pages
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  right I did try but it is all relevant I'm not going to I
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  didn't do any of my like theatrics or anything like that
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  so I it's very much like bare bones facts and yeah we'll just
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  we'll just. It's fine.
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  I'm going to. I'm going to contribute very
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  little to this podcast today because I fear that there is the
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  delay and every time I talk, I'm talking over somebody it's.
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  Not too bad. Yeah.
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  Well, we'll, we'll see. If you want me to contribute,
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  just point at me and then I will.
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  I'll just go that'll be the the symbol, right?
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  I'll. Take.
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  I'll take the cue, but let's get into this.
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  Yeah, this cue, OK. So Charles Maddox was born on
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  November 12th, 1934 in Cincinnati, OH to his mother
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  Kathleen Maddox, who was only 15 years old at the time.
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  Just have to point out before we go any further, Scorpio makes a
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  lot of Jesus Christ. Can I point something out before
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  we go any further? Because because we won't, we
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  won't. I won't get a chance to do it.
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  His he was on his birth cert, his name, his no name, Maddox.
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  Yeah, she didn't bother to name. Yeah, she did not want.
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  To like. No, he he has a name.
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  It was just the name is no name. Yeah.
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  So it's NON AM E Maddox, no name.
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  Starting strong. Starting strong in life right
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  there. He had a great SO.
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  That's the that. That's the foundation for what
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  will lead to be what I'm sure is going to be a wonderful,
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  wonderful life. Yeah.
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  So Charles never had a relationship with his biological
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  father. Kathleen married a man named
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  William Manson about four months before giving birth.
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  So Charles took his surname. So it was basically no name
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  Manson. So to make money, Kathleen
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  worked as a sex worker and participated in petty crimes.
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  It said that she wanted nothing to do with Charles and at one
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  point even tried to sell him to a waitress in exchange for a
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  pitcher of beer. This guy just keeps winning like
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  what? What are like?
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  I'd rather have a pitcher of beer than a baby.
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  Oh yeah, she did. Like, I don't even drink.
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  And yeah. Yeah.
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  But they're like that his uncle came back a couple of days later
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  and then like took the baby back.
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  So like that waitress had him for a couple of days.
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  He. Was just like in the back for a
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  few days as an infant. I know.
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  Like. What does he do with?
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  The dealer. Tipped a baby?
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  Goo goo Gaga, what can I get you?
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  In 1939, Kathleen was sent to prison for five years for armed
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  robbery, during which time child was sent to live with an aunt
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  and uncle in West Virginia. Charlie seemed to bounce around
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  a lot without a stable home. He occasionally visited an off
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  the grid uncle, which I fucking love.
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  This guy who lived in the Kentucky mountains.
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  This uncle, an outcast who told Charles not to attend schools
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  because they brainwashed kids, made a lasting impression on
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  him. When Charlie was 9, he tried to
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  set his school on fire and was sent to reform school.
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  Which nine years old is so funny?
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  But like 9 years old, you, you weren't given a name.
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  Your mother traded you for a pitcher of beer, left you in a
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  bar. And then you go to live with
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  your crazy uncle in the fucking mountains.
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  And like, to be this, to be this crazy uncle in the 1930s is
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  really something because like you, you have these crazy uncles
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  nowadays because people are radicalized by the Internet.
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  But in 1939, this guy lived in the Kentucky mountains.
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  He probably couldn't fucking read.
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  And he was just like, he can't trust anybody, kid, they're
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  going to get you. The man is going to get you.
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  Yeah, unlike we have, we've done the Appalachian Mountains on
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  this podcast before, which that's quite it runs through
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  Kentucky. And like there's so many people
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  who kind of live off the grid in that area don't even have birth
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  certs. Like they've just like they was
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  born outcast and they'll die outcast.
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  Like that's a huge, a huge kind of thing where it's like you
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  don't bother. Like so like they have their own
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  like I guess police force, you could say like it it kind of
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  already. Have a militia.
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  It's a militia, Yeah. They're they're criminals with
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  they're a well armed bunch of lunatics.
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  You could say it kind of already was a commune before, you know
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  what I mean? There was a fucking commune here
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  for him. So between 1942 and 1947, his
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  mother was out of prison and he stayed with her, a time he later
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  described as one of the happiest times of his childhood.
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  However, she was arrested again and unable to care for him.
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  She also just didn't fucking want to care for him.
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  I have to point that out. The court placed him in a School
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  for Boys in Indiana. The school was extremely strict
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  and abusive. After about 10 months, he ran
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  away to find his mother, but she rejected him.
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  OK, now so his mother gave Barton when she was 15 years
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  old. So let's let's give her a lot of
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  like leeway here because like, you know, she was effectively
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  raped and like she was a child, like, you know, 15 and the dad
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  wasn't a factor in his life. So like, my guess is that
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  Charles's biological dad was not a very good person and she was
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  quite traumatized by it. So maybe every moment she saw
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  Charles, she was just like, oh, there's that son of a bitch
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  again, you know, so like. Maybe look kind of, yeah.
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  Well the the an issue with this as well is that now he has said
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  she is and then recanted says she isn't but she was a
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  prostitute and it was just really hard for her to turn a
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  trick with her young fella hanging around outside.
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  It's like, boy. Yeah.
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  You go outside now and you keep an eye out while I suck this
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  Jones Dick. That's it.
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  Just seems to me that that is kind of like a situation where
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  you don't need that baggage. Like, so she really kind of
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  considered him. Do you think that he's like,
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  like a terrible Forrest Gump where it's like, boy, your Mama
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  show cares about your education? Yeah.
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  And he's just like the the evil Forrest Gump.
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  He is Doris from. Fucking Sally Field riding the
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  cock off me principle. This said this reform school
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  though that he was in just to go on to it, like the fact that
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  like you would say like it was extremely abusive.
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  It was like According to him, and again, he says he says it
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  happened and then he says it didn't happen.
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  We all know the way Manson works at this point, but the in the
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  way he talks about how he was raped in there, it was almost
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  like a daily occurrence where it was from a students, the
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  teachers, the guards, like everybody was in on that and
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  like he was. There's one extremely graphic
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  tale that he was telling about how guard spot his tobacco into
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  his hand, rubbed it on his arse and then told the other boys to
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  have. And now again, you don't know if
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  you can believe everything Manson said.
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  But yeah, he was out there like he broke out there at like the
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  the time he got out there wasn't the first time he tried to break
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  out. He was trying to break out
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  constantly as well. Yeah, so he spent much of A
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  childhood moving between different institutions,
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  institutions, institutions, including the famous Boys Town.
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  He would run away, commit robberies, get caught.
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  Too crazy for Boys Town. Too much boy for crazy Town.
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  He would run away, commit robberies, get caught and get
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  sent back in a constant cycle. He was eventually sent to the
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  Indiana Boys School where he alleged he was beaten and raped
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  by staff. He continued to run away,
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  committing crimes like armed robbery, theft and stealing
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  cars. He was also caught attempting to
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  molest boys. And this Indiana boys school, so
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  this was like, it was a state-run institution because I
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  looked it up and I was just like, oh, he says he wasn't
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  molested there. Let's see if the Catholic Church
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  was involved. And they weren't.
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  It was a, it was the, the state ran it.
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  And the guy who like, ran it, well, I don't know if he was
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  like running it when Manson was there, but it was a guy.
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  He was like a former, like he was in the Army.
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  And so he was like, I'm going to teach these boys discipline.
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  And so like, he would teach like one of the things with the boys
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  are, is they would be taught to read and write because a lot of
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  these kids would come from like, you know, quite difficult
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  backgrounds. He would teach them trades.
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  So like, you know, he had this list of like 19 trades that he
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  wanted to teach them. And it was things like various
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  types of like brick layers, you know, like brick manufacturing,
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  carpentry, plumbing, like, you know, you know, good, like,
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  like, you know, working with your hands kind of jobs.
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  Trade skills, yeah. Dreadskills and he taught, he
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  taught that the the reason that these boys go out and get into
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  trouble is because they've idle hands.
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  So let's teach them a skill, which is still something people
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  talk about today. Let's teach them a skill and
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  they will find like a calling in life and they'll find, you know,
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  like a reason not to just be little fucking toe racks.
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  Yeah. So in 1955, at the age of 20,
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  Charles married a 17 year old waitress named Rosalie Jean
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  Willis. Not long after she became
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  pregnant, the couple stole a car and drove to LA.
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  So I was up to I, I didn't put it in the notes but the kids
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  name was like Valentine Michael Manson, which is fucking cool.
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  Shit I, I love that Valentine Michael Manson.
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  He was caught and sentenced to three years in prison.
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  While he was incarcerated, Rosalie gave birth to their
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  child, moved in with her family in LA, met another man, and
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  separated from Manson when Charles was released.
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  He worked odd jobs including pimping minors, stealing cars,
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  forging checks and theft. So, Dan?
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  I love the way you say odd jobs. Exactly.
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  Exactly, men. Like you say, working odd jobs
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  like pimping minors, pimping minors is not an odd job, it is
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  a crime against humanity like. Pretty odd to me.
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  You read it pretty straight. Let.
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  Me. Tell you what.
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  Working Working as a delivery man is an odd job.
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  Working as a roofer is an odd job.
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  Stealing cars is being a criminal.
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  Paint my chicken because pimp my minor.
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  Make me Those miners were lousy. God, God.
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  This is terrible. It's it's all enough that we can
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  laugh at it now. This is the.
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  We can. We can laugh at.
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  Him said no, I. Think we're still in the foot?
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  No, no, we're in the 50s. We're in the 50s.
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  Mostly the 50s by now. Yeah.
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  If he's 20, yeah. Yeah.
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  So he ended up with a 10 year sentence for violating his
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  probation, ultimately serving 7.5 years.
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  During his prison term, he learned to play guitar and
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  became very interested in writing music.
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  Prison was rough, duh, but it became a home to Charlie and
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  it's where he formed his outlook on life.
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  He refused to be programmed by society or meet expectations to
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  be a functioning adult. In 1967, Charles was released
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  from prison and he asked if he could stay because he didn't
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  know what to do in the outside world.
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  And this is a huge thing that happens to a lot of people, and
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  a lot of prisoners kind of spend so much time there that it's
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  like they spend most of their life serving.
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  They don't, they become like institutionalized and they, they
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  only understand like the, the life of living in prison and the
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  routine of prison and having your every, you know, like
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  movement controlled. And then when they get out and
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  they have this, it's like it's a type of freedom, but it's also
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  like they have no freedom at all.
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  If they have this illusion of freedom and they become
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  completely just disorientated with the world.
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  And, you know, the world moves along and a lot of things might
• 21:44
  seem like weird and wacky to them when they get out because
• 21:46
  like prison is especially in the 60s, like you're not really
• 21:49
  connected to the outside. Like they would have had, you
• 21:51
  know, newspapers and books, they wouldn't have seen much of what
• 21:55
  was going on on the outside. No.
• 21:57
  But he was he was from such an erratic life that if you think
• 22:02
  about like, you know, he was he was thrown around from
• 22:05
  institution to institution when he was a kid.
• 22:07
  Like when he finally got to to prison and he kind of found
• 22:11
  himself a little bit, I think he was he was cellmates with Blues
• 22:16
  guitarist who ended up teaching him how to play a guitar.
• 22:21
  And this is where like the, he didn't really know of like any
• 22:26
  kind of popular culture from anything older than when he was
• 22:30
  when he was younger, the kind of music that the, the play it back
• 22:33
  in the day. Like so like, yeah, he umm, he
• 22:37
  was hearing this this kind of music for the first time and he
• 22:39
  was amazed by it, like how someone could make a guitar do
• 22:42
  the things that he was making the guitar do.
• 22:44
  Like, and it was, I think it was the steel guitar he learned on
• 22:47
  before he actually learned how to play the actual guitar.
• 22:50
  Yeah. And yeah, so like when he was in
• 22:53
  there, he was like, he had structure.
• 22:55
  He had a kind of, he knew where his food was coming from.
• 23:01
  He knew where he was going to sleep that night.
• 23:02
  Like he was sleeping rough for most of his life.
• 23:04
  So like, if you think about when, when one day somebody
• 23:07
  comes along and says, right, you need to get off from where
• 23:11
  you're comfortable and get back out into the world where you
• 23:14
  don't know what's going on. Like that was daunting to him
• 23:17
  because he never had any structure in his life ordered in
• 23:19
  prison. Yeah, so when he left, he found
• 23:22
  a very different world. He arrived in San Francisco in
• 23:25
  the mid 60s, during the height of the flower child era.
• 23:29
  Charles liked the scene because it focused on rejecting the
• 23:32
  system, playing music and doing drugs.
• 23:35
  Those who met him said that he possessed A charisma that made
• 23:38
  people feel special, unheard. So he was really, really good at
• 23:43
  just charming people, which obviously cult leaders naturally
• 23:49
  have to be. Yeah, like he was meant to be.
• 23:51
  He was meant to be this really charismatic, magnetic type of
• 23:55
  personality. And he was able to read people
• 23:58
  really well and, you know, he could talk to someone and kind
• 24:01
  of figure out if he could manipulate them very quickly.
• 24:04
  Scorpio telling. You.
• 24:07
  Oh God damn. It Jesus Christ.
• 24:08
  Jesus Christ. I think what people
• 24:11
  underestimate about eh, like the likes of Manson and eh like a
• 24:15
  lot of these cult leaders, is when they start off, they're
• 24:19
  actually really funny. Yeah, if you listen to these, to
• 24:22
  these guys, like if you, if you hear Manson talk, Manson's
• 24:24
  hilarious. I don't give a fuck what anyone
• 24:26
  says. He's absolutely he.
• 24:28
  He hasn't eh, got a salient like thought in his head.
• 24:34
  Like there's no linear thought in his head at all.
• 24:36
  He's just bouncing around from like.
• 24:38
  Talks in circles. Yes, yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 24:40
  Yeah. What?
• 24:41
  He's fucking hilarious and funny.
• 24:44
  It's, it's the thing that if all of the people first, eh, that,
• 24:49
  that first talk about him, like when when they're meeting them
• 24:53
  this they say #1 he was charming #2 he was so funny.
• 24:58
  And that was the thing that, like, drew people in like you.
• 25:01
  Yeah, I think, eh, you disarm people with humor.
• 25:05
  I think that's how it works. And then that is a huge.
• 25:07
  Thing, yeah. Yeah, and and and, eh, so like
• 25:10
  when you get people giggling and we'll, we'll talk about it
• 25:13
  later, like after, like even when he's, when he's in prison,
• 25:17
  like how he's still like charming.
• 25:20
  People to the point. Yeah, yeah.
• 25:24
  You know, like, interviewers, Fucking, eh, Like, lawyers,
• 25:29
  people from all kinds of like, walks of life or just getting
• 25:32
  absolutely fucking charmed by him because like, they were
• 25:35
  walking out with a big smile on their face because they've been
• 25:37
  laughing their head off at this fucking this gentleman who
• 25:42
  definitely couldn't be as bad as everybody says, you know?
• 25:44
  No. Wonder who speaks German?
• 25:46
  Could be an awful man but no, it's and that's the thing.
• 25:52
  Like, and I, I, I, I will get into this as it goes on, but
• 25:55
  like how women fucking love a funny man, like women love a
• 26:01
  fucking funny man. And that's the thing like that,
• 26:04
  that is a huge thing that you can look like anything.
• 26:06
  Like a lot of people know, I think he's gorgeous, but a lot
• 26:08
  of people think Pete Davidson isn't attractive.
• 26:11
  Very funny dude. Objectively.
• 26:14
  Like objectively he's not. He looks like Abe from Abe's
• 26:18
  Odyssey. Oh my.
• 26:20
  God. I, I was, I was going to say he
• 26:25
  looks like his treatment is not very successful probably.
• 26:30
  Wait. I watched this comedy special
• 26:36
  and it's not that funny. Like maybe maybe it's a
• 26:38
  generational thing like but he just doesn't bounce the the
• 26:41
  laughs. Like he just kind of I.
• 26:42
  Don't think he's funny like I don't.
• 26:45
  I think in conversation funny, not stand up funny, you know
• 26:49
  what I mean? Like has a few good one liners.
• 26:52
  Like I don't think he's funny in the sense I can't watch him like
• 26:55
  fucking for 45 minutes to an hour.
• 26:58
  I think I'd get on well with him, but I don't want to watch
• 27:01
  him do stand up. No, I think like I think in the
• 27:04
  conversation he'd crack you up, but I don't think I you know
• 27:07
  what I mean. And maybe that's why he's, like,
• 27:08
  so successful with some of the most beautiful women in the
• 27:11
  world and he just gets involved. He has a massive Dick, yeah.
• 27:14
  Slinging Dick. Yeah, and, and is kind of funny,
• 27:19
  like you could, you know what I mean?
• 27:20
  I I I do get it like. No, no, you, you see like a
• 27:24
  conventionally unattractive man and you're just like.
• 27:27
  I like a mug. Take me.
• 27:29
  I like a muggly. You're like a hope he's funny
• 27:31
  because I'm having sex with him anyways.
• 27:35
  Essentially, yeah. Like it helps if they're funny,
• 27:38
  but like if they're tall, tall can replace funny for me you.
• 27:42
  Are 4 foot 11 like what the fuck are you talking?
• 27:45
  About 5 foot four. I'm not that short.
• 27:49
  You're as tall as Charlie Manson.
• 27:54
  And I still fuck Charlie Manson. You, you just be like Charlie.
• 27:59
  You've so many things going for you.
• 28:00
  You're weird, you're ugly, you're erratic.
• 28:03
  You can't string two thoughts together.
• 28:05
  If only you were a foot taller. Sure.
• 28:09
  What is tall anyways? Yeah, you don't need to have
• 28:13
  tall when when you've got a good personality like mine.
• 28:15
  I'll tell you what. He is like when you hear that
• 28:19
  and you do that impression he is.
• 28:21
  Boomhauer. Are you attempting to know me?
• 28:27
  He is. He is Bob Dylan.
• 28:30
  OH. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:32
  He's cooking up the medicine. Cheerios.
• 28:36
  Cheerios. Down it goes, down the road
• 28:39
  blowing in the wind. But I have to, I'll get this out
• 28:42
  of the way, this. I have to get this comment
• 28:44
  before we go on. Of all of the cult leaders, I'd
• 28:48
  fuck him over Jim Jones. I'd fuck him over Marshall
• 28:52
  Applewhite or Applewhite. However you say that, I'd fuck
• 28:55
  him over David Koresh. He was one of the ones that are
• 28:58
  like, oh, he's charismatic. And I fell for I'm like, why?
• 29:02
  Like Koresh would probably be the best looking out of them
• 29:05
  though. I don't think so.
• 29:07
  I think Manson is better looking than Koresh.
• 29:09
  Yeah, like. Like when Manson was younger,
• 29:12
  like in the in the 60s when like he.
• 29:15
  Yeah, he had. Like this long before he was
• 29:18
  together, like, you know, he had like he had the WAVY hair, he
• 29:20
  had the beard. Like, you know, he was, he was
• 29:22
  that kind of like beatnik, interesting looking kind of guy.
• 29:26
  Yeah. But you wouldn't fuck him
• 29:28
  because he's 5 foot 4. Like you, you just.
• 29:32
  Yeah, he's a little guy. Yeah.
• 29:34
  He's 5 foot four or five foot 5, but it's it.
• 29:37
  I've heard contrasting beliefs, but yeah, he's a little fella.
• 29:40
  You just know that his chatter plan was, hey, we're all the
• 29:43
  same height when we're laying down.
• 29:46
  Why did you a quagmire voice there?
• 29:50
  Hey, Quagmire, Probably partially based on Charles
• 29:54
  Manson. Anyway, so Charles began making
• 30:01
  friends. One of his first followers was
• 30:03
  Lynette Squeaky, from which that's.
• 30:07
  We don't know how she got that nickname.
• 30:09
  Who found his mind intriguing. Soon after, he met Patricia
• 30:14
  Krenwinkel at a mutual friend's house.
• 30:18
  This as well, apparently. She said she fell for him while
• 30:22
  he was playing guitar, and then she fucked him in front of
• 30:25
  everybody. But yeah.
• 30:28
  A man named Charles Tex Watson also joined the growing family.
• 30:35
  To keep men in the group, Charles would offer women to
• 30:37
  them in hopes of gaining their trust.
• 30:40
  He was skilled at manipulation, which he claimed he learned in
• 30:43
  prison. He called the prettiest girls
• 30:46
  Front St. girls, using them to kind of, I guess, lure others
• 30:52
  into the group. This is a this is like a common
• 30:55
  thing with with cults, like the easiest way to get men into your
• 30:58
  cult to just be like, I have an array of women for you to have
• 31:01
  sex with women. Yeah.
• 31:03
  And it's then well. I was just going to say that
• 31:05
  that Manson would like have like studies a little bit of
• 31:11
  Scientology. So yeah, like, because like he
• 31:14
  got really into he got really into Scientology and apparently
• 31:17
  Tex was I I think that's how he met him.
• 31:21
  So like he met true. Like they're the whole
• 31:23
  Scientology thing, like, and when it came about to like
• 31:29
  figure out how to have people or how to like, you know, make sure
• 31:33
  people come in, they kind of used the book of Scientology
• 31:36
  when it came to that. Like, so like this is what kind
• 31:38
  of calls you up to like the movie stars and music
• 31:44
  personalities as well. So that he could kind of have
• 31:48
  people see them interacting with like all these attractive,
• 31:51
  successful people. And then that's how to come in.
• 31:53
  But like we, we forget that, like Manson, I'm not sure that
• 31:57
  Manson knew he was making a cult.
• 31:59
  Well, he was definitely going off the Yeah, I dug from a cult,
• 32:02
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:04
  The cult being Scientology, obviously.
• 32:06
  It's just such a like, it's two absolute behemoths of American
• 32:11
  20th century, like insanity of like Charles Manson and
• 32:17
  Scientology L Ron Hubbard, like, you know, one being inspired by
• 32:21
  the other and going on to like define an era in America and
• 32:26
  then like Scientology going on to like, you know, control
• 32:29
  Hollywood. But like, look at the look at
• 32:33
  the tapestry that has been weaved here as well when we talk
• 32:36
  because like we talk about sometimes on your episodes,
• 32:38
  ocean when you see like this cast of characters that come in
• 32:42
  and out that are kind of hanging around at the same time.
• 32:45
  But this Manson situation is fucking insane of the kind of
• 32:50
  who's who of Hollywood, of music.
• 32:53
  And now like even talking about L Ron Hubbard here, like it's
• 32:56
  insane to see like the the kind of how how small the world was
• 33:03
  at a certain time. You know what I mean?
• 33:05
  Yeah, I know. I left out a lot of kind of just
• 33:09
  names here. I just kind of wanted to get to
• 33:13
  like the the meat and potatoes of the whole thing.
• 33:16
  But there was a lot of other celebrities kind of named in
• 33:20
  association with Manson and, and with the crew and whatever.
• 33:23
  And, and if you haven't seen it, it's a terrible film.
• 33:28
  But at Once Upon a time in Hollywood, umm, where that's.
• 33:32
  Not a terrible film. I didn't like it at all.
• 33:35
  Such a. Fun movie.
• 33:37
  I hated it. I need.
• 33:38
  To rewatch this, yeah. I like so I.
• 33:42
  Think. Patricia Krenwinkel, which was,
• 33:45
  she was apparently like the front runner here.
• 33:48
  Yeah. Or was it her or Susan, one of
• 33:50
  them? But Margaret Quali, I fucking
• 33:54
  love Margaret Quali so much. And they put her in like the
• 33:58
  kind of front runners, the one who kind of lures Brad Pitt in
• 34:02
  into the cold kind of thing. But like it was, it's basically
• 34:06
  like, do you call, would you call it a reimagining of what
• 34:11
  happens? No, it's, it's like a it's a
• 34:13
  version of it. That's what they that's what it
• 34:15
  is like it is the Manson Family story, but it's just like they
• 34:19
  they change everything so that they can take a few more
• 34:21
  creative liberties with yes. Yeah.
• 34:23
  And the same way like Inglorious Bastards and stuff like that
• 34:27
  with the end with them, like killing all the Nazis and stuff
• 34:29
  like that. Saw that in the cinema and I
• 34:31
  left the cinema and I was walking in Cineworld on Paranal
• 34:35
  St. and I were going down in the on the escalator and one girl
• 34:40
  was like is that actually how World War 2 ended and I swear.
• 34:45
  About. Six people just turned and
• 34:49
  looked up the escalator like, what the fuck?
• 34:52
  It's like legit. And I was like, I kind of like
• 34:55
  Eli Roth did just fire. There wasn't bullets into
• 34:59
  fucking Adolf Hitler. And when?
• 35:00
  I went to when I went to see The Martian, which is a fantastic
• 35:05
  movie, great movie and again, walking out the cinema and a
• 35:10
  person in front of me turns to their friend and just goes.
• 35:13
  Is that based on a true story? Did.
• 35:15
  Not demon. I was like, I was a stander and
• 35:19
  I was, I was stupid. I was so happy that I witnessed
• 35:22
  that moment. Some people just don't fucking
• 35:25
  like and, and these are things that you think everybody in the
• 35:28
  world knows and it's it's ridiculous and it's, I think so
• 35:34
  I had like a one of my, we do like a weekly review or whatever
• 35:37
  with my manager and he's a couple of years older than me.
• 35:41
  And we were just chatting shit about the new Hulk Hogan
• 35:44
  documentary. I don't know if either of you
• 35:46
  guys have watched it and I really enjoyed it and I I did
• 35:51
  think it was just going to be a bunch of fucking Hogan Dick
• 35:54
  writing, but it's about 4 episodes.
• 35:58
  The first three are very look how fucking cool Hulk Hogan was
• 36:02
  and then the last episode is like look how shit Terry was
• 36:05
  basically. Oh OK, so the last episode it
• 36:08
  comes crashing down. Yes, basically.
• 36:11
  And they're kind of work. So like they do though.
• 36:17
  So obviously Donald Trump, they have Donald, they have Trump on
• 36:23
  it. If you if you can't see the two
• 36:26
  boys right now, they're doing. We're hulking.
• 36:29
  Up. We're hulking up.
• 36:30
  Brother. But yeah, so it was it was that
• 36:33
  whole thing. And then it was like, yeah,
• 36:34
  fucking Hulk was awesome. And they do a very good job
• 36:37
  Netflix and they are manipulative bastards, but in a
• 36:41
  good way. This time it's very much just
• 36:43
  like, OK, fucking coolest character is like fucking
• 36:47
  awesome. And then when you get to like
• 36:48
  put Terry Balea is a fucking piece of shit and they go on
• 36:54
  like they don't even say anything like that, but they
• 36:57
  interview Trump and then they interview Hogan on Trump and
• 37:01
  they just make him look like the biggest cock.
• 37:05
  And that's. Because he is.
• 37:06
  He's a, he's a little bitch. He's a racist man from Florida
• 37:09
  who just, like, invents everything about his career.
• 37:13
  Not subtly, just shove that in there like.
• 37:17
  Every time he went on to a podcast in the like the twilight
• 37:21
  of his career, he just be like, brother, I went back in time and
• 37:24
  I told Jackie Onassis, hey, you might not want to go to Dallas.
• 37:27
  Fucking. Yeah, essentially.
• 37:29
  And then he was going to be like, Oh yeah, I go get my mail
• 37:32
  and you know, like the the fucking, the mailman calls me
• 37:36
  Hulk. And then I have to be like, hey,
• 37:37
  brother. And then dude, yeah, loads of
• 37:42
  the shit was basically just like he couldn't.
• 37:45
  And Linda, his ex-wife, basically just says, yeah, I
• 37:49
  think he got to a point of psychosis where he couldn't even
• 37:52
  differentiate between who was Hulk and who was Terry.
• 37:55
  Dude, that's not going to work for me, brother.
• 37:58
  Yeah. And it's it's.
• 38:00
  It's basically Hulk talking to reality.
• 38:02
  Yeah, yeah. And like my my favorite I.
• 38:06
  Think I have to go over to Nat? My favorite part of it was like
• 38:12
  he was talking about the match he had where Shawn Michaels
• 38:16
  where Shawn Michaels just fucking over.
• 38:18
  So yeah, it was it was so fucking funny because he was
• 38:23
  like so bitter about it. And he was like, and you know,
• 38:27
  there was there was no need for Shawn to do that.
• 38:29
  And I'm just like, obviously they probably tried to get Shawn
• 38:32
  to comment and like he was just like, I'm a fucking doing this.
• 38:35
  But like Triple H commented and he was just like, he went into
• 38:39
  the whole thing and they were like talking about basically him
• 38:42
  getting quote UN quote cancelled, we'll say.
• 38:45
  And he was like, yeah, well, I didn't fucking fire Hulk Hogan.
• 38:48
  I fired Terry, which is. Just all you need.
• 38:51
  To know about that business, it's insane.
• 38:56
  But the way back to Manson, yes. So over time then Charles
• 39:01
  attracted more people into his quote UN quote family.
• 39:04
  He gained their trust through drugs, sex and music.
• 39:08
  That would work on. You feeling it would?
• 39:11
  Work on BE as well in fairness. It was appealing to lost kids
• 39:18
  who had left home seeking a new anti establishment life based on
• 39:22
  peace and love. Finding a community with similar
• 39:25
  interests kept people there, which is pretty much how a cult
• 39:30
  starts, really. You're just like, we all like
• 39:32
  the same thing. Yeah.
• 39:33
  It's, you know, let's just stay here.
• 39:36
  So in summer of 1967, the Manson Family left San Francisco in a
• 39:42
  bus and travelled the coast, which kept everybody entertained
• 39:45
  with new locations. They're like, Oh my God, hey,
• 39:47
  look at this like. Yeah, everything's great.
• 39:50
  World Tour. Yeah, it sounds great.
• 39:53
  Eventually they ended up in Los Angeles as Charlie really wanted
• 39:57
  to succeed in music, so he was basically doing the whole like.
• 40:01
  Yeah, I'm going to get to LA. And I'm going to make it big,
• 40:03
  which all actors and fucking I'm going.
• 40:06
  To get Sandal record label and they will have weed and hookers
• 40:09
  for rest of our life. Pretty much.
• 40:13
  The funny thing about about this kind of music thing is like how
• 40:17
  kind of adamant he was that it was going to work like that.
• 40:20
  He he thought it was, he thought it was a foregone conclusion
• 40:24
  that he was going to be like that.
• 40:26
  His music was going to. Change the world, yeah.
• 40:28
  Yeah, all the people kind of fucking all the family members
• 40:33
  fell into this as well, where they were like, yeah, his music
• 40:38
  is so it's, it's insane. It's so good.
• 40:40
  Like we can't believe. Yeah, to put The funny thing
• 40:44
  about all these family members, just to go back to, to where
• 40:47
  you've you've made some good points about these kind of like
• 40:50
  at the the lost kids, like looking for something.
• 40:53
  But the The funny thing about all of these is they're not all
• 40:56
  kind of a coming from a background like Manson had like
• 41:01
  some of them, like they all come from like like nice homes, but
• 41:04
  like the middle class. Yeah, yeah.
• 41:07
  And that's the, the what they see that as a prison, that the
• 41:10
  middle class is a prison. Like if if you look at eh, Tex
• 41:14
  in particular as someone who eh, he was like big.
• 41:19
  Sexy, as I like to call him. OK, eh.
• 41:22
  But like back in his hometown, he was like a football star.
• 41:26
  He was like, eh, you know, eh, yeah, he went to, he went to
• 41:31
  college, eh, he went to church all the time.
• 41:35
  Like when he, he was eh, he opened his own business. 7 wigs
• 41:42
  early last year or three months but like that was he had a wig,
• 41:45
  he had a wig sore like but like. Very wigs.
• 41:54
  I just realized I. Finished a quote for you by
• 41:57
  cackling. You have to do you wear wigs?
• 42:03
  A Texas accent? I don't know if it works to say
• 42:05
  away but but text. When will you wear wigs?
• 42:11
  No, I have not. Do you wear wigs?
• 42:13
  Wear wigs. Where will you wear wigs?
• 42:17
  But yeah, that's the that's the thing about about like these
• 42:20
  these kids, they all came along and they were like enamoured by
• 42:25
  who was basically a Percy year old man at this point.
• 42:28
  But like it was the 1960s, like, you know, it was like the, you
• 42:31
  know, the flower power movement and the summer love was coming
• 42:34
  up and like, you know, the youth of America were looking for
• 42:39
  things to rebel against. And you know, this idea of like,
• 42:43
  you know, following in their parents footsteps was something
• 42:46
  that they just wanted to get. They didn't want that.
• 42:48
  They wanted to get out of it. So through music and drugs, it
• 42:51
  was like, you know, it's just rebellion.
• 42:53
  You know, it was this massive thing to rebel against.
• 42:55
  And Charles Manson, like, saw that and was like, oh, that's
• 42:58
  like me, except these kids have a bit of resource and I'm going
• 43:02
  to fucking mind that. Yeah, it's, it's funny because
• 43:05
  like even Manson, Manson didn't like he's speed run in this
• 43:09
  hippie movement because he didn't, Yeah, he just got out of
• 43:12
  prison. So like he missed a lot of it.
• 43:14
  So he he gets out of prison and he's like, what the why is this?
• 43:17
  What is LSD? What is free love?
• 43:20
  What is? And then that's when he was
• 43:21
  like, holy shit. So like he is on like the world
• 43:25
  record speed run from like prison to whatever it becomes, I
• 43:32
  suppose. Like, yeah, Annie, what is wrong
• 43:34
  with you? I can't stop thinking about if
• 43:43
  someone asked Hank Hill when he was going to wear wigs because
• 43:47
  of the text. God damn it Bobby, stop asking
• 43:50
  me what I would wear. Wigs.
• 43:52
  You. You want to know where I'm going
• 43:53
  to wear wigs, that boy. Right.
• 43:58
  That boy, right? What do you mean I wear wigs?
• 44:01
  Hey man, you're a goddamn doze. Dangle dangle wigs, your own
• 44:04
  man. I mean baby.
• 44:09
  Hank, the government's burden. Chimps in the wigs.
• 44:27
  No. Sure.
• 44:28
  Because they had, they brought back a new, a new season and it
• 44:31
  was pretty good, Yeah. It's pretty good.
• 44:34
  Yeah, like they're really nails. Kinda like how Hank Hill would
• 44:39
  exist in a Gen. Z world.
• 44:48
  I just want to see my God Dang hot dog.
• 44:53
  Right. So in March 1968, two female
• 44:56
  family memories were walking along Sunset Blvd.
• 45:00
  When Blvd. Blvd.
• 45:02
  When Dennis Wilson of The Beach Boys picked them up.
• 45:07
  As one does, right? Yeah, I do.
• 45:10
  I again, I'm not trying to get too off topic here, but why are
• 45:14
  you celebrity like one of the biggest fucking bands at the
• 45:18
  time? Why are you picking up
• 45:19
  Hitchhikers? I'll tell you what you're going
• 45:22
  to do. I know I know the answer to this
• 45:26
  because go. Ahead.
• 45:28
  Go ahead, because Dennis Wilson is an absolute spa and but eh,
• 45:35
  like his his brother is the like the genius behind The Beach Boys
• 45:39
  Yeah and yeah, Dennis is just like the kind of tag along like
• 45:44
  I'm in the band because mom told you to bring me with you and
• 45:47
  he's. Just like.
• 45:49
  Yeah, he's such a man. He's he's the 6th Jackson and
• 45:55
  but he so like what happens with him is like while while The
• 46:01
  Beach Boys go off and do some like recordings and stuff like
• 46:04
  that. Apparently, like Dennis is wild
• 46:07
  and he's just all he wants to do is do fucking drugs and go
• 46:11
  fucking crazy. Like, and So what they do is
• 46:13
  they go right Dennis, the same for your sabbatical.
• 46:16
  We're going to send you off for like 3 months while we actually
• 46:18
  go on record. Yeah.
• 46:20
  And yeah, and did basically he goes, he basically is just a
• 46:24
  free range beach boy while the rest of them actually do all the
• 46:26
  work. So that's how he ended up on the
• 46:28
  on the road picking up hitchhikers.
• 46:31
  Yeah, So the women told him about Charlie, describing him as
• 46:34
  a spiritual guru. Charles eventually ended up
• 46:38
  going over to Dennis Wilson's home and they became best
• 46:42
  friends pretty much. And soon the entire Manson
• 46:45
  family moved into Dennis's mansion where they did drugs and
• 46:50
  wrote and recorded music together.
• 46:53
  And it seemed like Manson was on the way to becoming a Beach Boy.
• 46:57
  But while Dennis Wilson wanted him in the group, other members
• 47:02
  of The Beach Boys really didn't like Manson, citing Bad Vibes
• 47:07
  and early Genesis to get rid of him.
• 47:10
  The Family eventually got kicked from him.
• 47:12
  Manson. Eventually got kicked out and
• 47:16
  Dennis Wilson cut ties. The Beach Boys song Bluebirds
• 47:21
  Over the Mountain was recorded and Manson claimed that he was
• 47:25
  not credited for writing that song, which made him furious.
• 47:30
  OK, so in the lead up to this episode I listened to a bunch of
• 47:34
  his music and he was. Yesterday.
• 47:37
  I listened to yesterday and today I was just, you know, I
• 47:39
  want to keep it fresh in my mind and like his music is not bad.
• 47:42
  Like it's, it's not, I don't. It's very like kind of just like
• 47:46
  poppy beatnik kind of stuff. And mostly like, you know, it
• 47:50
  just sounds harmless. Like, you know, it's very like
• 47:52
  simple stuff. By the way, Bluebirds Over the
• 47:54
  Mountain fucking slaps. It's a boff of the song.
• 47:58
  There's a guitar solo and it does like really ahead of its
• 48:00
  time. Like the dudes are fucking like
• 48:02
  they're shredding in this song. It's fucking great.
• 48:05
  But this, this, this song is that's not Manson's song.
• 48:09
  So what they did was they just took one of Manson's songs, kept
• 48:13
  a tune and some of the lyrics and kind of modeled it into
• 48:17
  their own song. I forget what Manson's one was
• 48:19
  called, but I think it was, it was, it was incitement of
• 48:22
  something or another. Like it was totally different.
• 48:25
  Yeah, his major gripe as well was that his music was being
• 48:29
  changed. Like basically.
• 48:32
  His artistry was being changed. Yes.
• 48:34
  He had a big. Mainstream man, yeah.
• 48:38
  So basically the tune and then it was like, you fucking
• 48:41
  bastardized it and made it something that it isn't.
• 48:45
  And yeah, that was his old. So in a in listening to some of
• 48:48
  his songs, he has a song that's called Garbage Dump and when I
• 48:53
  was listening to it. About me.
• 48:55
  It is AI swear. This is my theory and I swear
• 49:00
  that in the show friends the song Smelly Cat is based on
• 49:05
  garbage dump. It is the same like it's not the
• 49:09
  same lyrics but the the lyrics go in the same way.
• 49:12
  The music is as simple as that and it's a short 1 and it is
• 49:16
  like I think there is an in joke in friends that her song is
• 49:21
  Charles Manson. Songs, I really think.
• 49:24
  That's an in joke in friends that like I, I as far as I can
• 49:27
  see, nobody has picked up on Yeah.
• 49:30
  I wouldn't be. Surprised I had to.
• 49:31
  I had to look this up because I was pretty sure that I was I was
• 49:35
  wrong on the name. So that Charles Manson's song
• 49:38
  was called Cease to Exist and it was rewritten and retitled as
• 49:43
  Never Learn Not to Love and was released on the B side of
• 49:48
  Bluebirds Over the Mountain. So Manson's song was the the B
• 49:52
  side to that one. Yeah.
• 49:54
  But yeah, they changed the change around just sort of
• 49:57
  because there was some kind of stuff that was like kind of
• 49:59
  inciting a little bit of violence, obviously.
• 50:02
  And but they changed that around and apparently, like, it's, it's
• 50:07
  still just like a song. And like, it shouldn't have
• 50:10
  caused so much controversy, but Manson was fucking furious over
• 50:14
  it, especially since, like, he was he was recording like a a
• 50:20
  full album. What he thought he was.
• 50:22
  Yeah. He wanted to record a full
• 50:24
  album, but like as you were saying that he was so fucking
• 50:27
  difficult to work with that like he ended up being told fuck off.
• 50:30
  Like what? Like so so then he thought his
• 50:33
  big break was common, but really someone stole his music and he
• 50:36
  was not fucking happy about that.
• 50:38
  There's. Such a chip on his shoulder,
• 50:40
  then over it. Yeah.
• 50:41
  So again, we're going to get to this whole thing.
• 50:45
  So while living with Dennis, Charles met a music producer
• 50:48
  named Terry Melcher. So Terry also fucking hated
• 50:53
  Manson and it was mutual. He didn't.
• 50:55
  He didn't like him either. And CC1 thing about charity is
• 51:00
  he loved to hold a grudge and we will get into that again a
• 51:05
  little bit later on in the episode.
• 51:07
  But for now, remember that name. Remember Terry?
• 51:11
  Mel Melcher just said to to just dive into he was, they were
• 51:16
  literally like he liked them at the start.
• 51:19
  They were going to produce an album for Manson.
• 51:21
  Like, yeah, Manson like enamored everybody.
• 51:24
  And he was like, I've got these songs.
• 51:25
  They were like, OK, play, play your songs.
• 51:27
  And he was playing some songs and they were like, oh, that's
• 51:29
  kind of, that's kind of cool way a bit of, eh, production.
• 51:32
  We could make an album and Manson was fucking over the
• 51:34
  moon. He was like, yeah, I'm finally
• 51:36
  going to make it. I'm going to get my music out to
• 51:38
  the world. But then when they were produced
• 51:40
  and stuff, Manson was like, I don't want you to to change
• 51:45
  anything of the music. They're like, we need to change
• 51:47
  it to produce it. We need it to be more kind of
• 51:49
  like, eh, it has to. Radio friendly America, Yeah.
• 51:53
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Bob Manson was like, no,
• 51:56
  absolutely not. There's no change is going to be
• 51:57
  made. And then he was told, right,
• 51:59
  Well, if you're not going to work with us, why are we working
• 52:01
  with you? Fuck off.
• 52:03
  Yeah. So in August 1968, long time
• 52:07
  family member Susan Atkins found the family a new home on an old
• 52:12
  western movie set and riding stable owned by 80 year old
• 52:16
  George Spawn. The gang moved into the Spawn
• 52:20
  Ranch which seemed like a great location for a cult.
• 52:24
  Pretty much soon after Leslie Van Houten joined them.
• 52:29
  Initially, life on the ranch houses.
• 52:31
  So handy. Oh, yes, yeah.
• 52:34
  Was described as fun and innocent like summer camp.
• 52:38
  They spent time role-playing in movie costumes, creating an
• 52:42
  atmosphere where time didn't exist and they lived purely in
• 52:45
  the moment. And another point as well that I
• 52:49
  came across while I was researching is apparently they
• 52:52
  liked to pretend like every single day was Halloween, so
• 52:56
  they dressed up every day they did like.
• 52:59
  So they just got to like act like kids all the time.
• 53:01
  That was. Yeah, pretty much.
• 53:03
  Yeah. Like summer camp.
• 53:05
  So they spent time in role-playing, in movie costumes,
• 53:09
  creating an atmosphere where time didn't exist and they lived
• 53:12
  purely in the moment. This was a technique for them to
• 53:16
  shed their egos and world views. Removing these elements allowed
• 53:21
  Charlie to reshape their views. He taught them that society was
• 53:25
  corrupt and they needed to forget everything they had ever
• 53:28
  learned. Charlie established himself as
• 53:31
  the only one with answers and the truth.
• 53:35
  And now I do have to drop in as well here.
• 53:38
  So the 80 year old owner of of Spahn Ranch, the girls would
• 53:44
  have to take turns fucking him. Ah, there we go.
• 53:48
  Yeah, there we go. Because I was looking at this
• 53:50
  and I was like, you know, they're having like this, like,
• 53:52
  you know, play time on the ranch and they're just like dressing
• 53:54
  up and they're doing all this and it's just like, how are they
• 53:57
  staying there? Like what?
• 53:58
  Who's paying rent here? He was blind in one eye as well.
• 54:02
  And he was like pretty much bed bound.
• 54:06
  Yeah. So if he was getting laid by
• 54:08
  these, like, hot women in their 20s, he wasn't asking much
• 54:11
  questions, essentially. And then?
• 54:14
  One of the things about this as well is that Squeaky, who is the
• 54:21
  first of the Manson girls, she likes to service it.
• 54:26
  Well. I don't know if she likes to
• 54:27
  service this Spawn guy, but The thing is, if you're helping out
• 54:32
  with him and you're in with him and you're giving him a little
• 54:35
  bit of a Ruben talk, as Manson used to call it, then you could
• 54:39
  stay in the big house. So you were able to stay in with
• 54:42
  him because you were essentially his carer and the rest of the
• 54:45
  guys. Because like people don't
• 54:47
  really, eh, understand how big the Manson family got.
• 54:51
  Like they always kind of think it's only like 8 or 9 people
• 54:54
  because you know the way it, but like there was between 30 and 40
• 54:57
  people. At one stage like connection,
• 54:59
  yeah. Yeah, So they were all like,
• 55:00
  living out in like, different houses around the ranch, like.
• 55:03
  I think the ranch is like several 100 acres as well.
• 55:06
  It could have been about 1000 as well.
• 55:07
  Like, yeah, it was massive. It was used for for like cowboy
• 55:12
  shows and, and movies and stuff like that.
• 55:14
  So it was like all these kind of, yeah, the, the these
• 55:17
  makeshift kind of houses and stuff like that were basically
• 55:20
  just sets for like, you know, Westerns, but like, they were
• 55:24
  all living in these bare sheds. Yeah, yeah.
• 55:28
  Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was actually they filmed on that
• 55:31
  actual ranch as well. Of course they did.
• 55:33
  I think that's awesome. Danny.
• 55:35
  What what's, what's your buddy's name?
• 55:39
  Eh, the fucking Church of Satan, Guy White Lavey.
• 55:45
  Yeah. Yeah, so one that that's another
• 55:47
  little trade in here as well. I one of these women and I want
• 55:50
  to say it's case she worked at his kind of a restaurant slash
• 55:56
  kind of shorting before she came to go with Manson as well.
• 56:00
  It's like a so Manson Cabaret school, kind of a yeah, like a
• 56:04
  cabaret, yeah. And so so Manson ended up like
• 56:08
  also being kind of on the ends with like the Church of Satan as
• 56:13
  well. Anton Levy.
• 56:15
  Fuck. Yeah.
• 56:16
  Just just to bring, yeah, like again, another one of those
• 56:19
  trades that kind of brings us in just while I remember it.
• 56:22
  Sorry. Yeah.
• 56:24
  And again, like at that time as well, and you could say that for
• 56:27
  Levy, like, well, I guess like the Levy inside of Satanism, a
• 56:32
  lot of it was just basically an excuse to shag as many women as
• 56:37
  you want whenever you want, like, and, and that, that is the
• 56:40
  running theme of it. And they were like, so the the
• 56:44
  Satanic Bible, Anton Lavey's Satanic Bible is very like free
• 56:51
  love, lookout for #1 don't hurt anyone else.
• 56:55
  But if anyone fucks with you, you can fuck with them kind of
• 56:58
  thing. And it's the it's actually the
• 57:01
  only kind of quote UN quote Bible that condemns rape, which
• 57:06
  is basically like if sexual advances are not reciprocated,
• 57:11
  like fuck off kind of thing. So it's yeah, it.
• 57:17
  Is over on the on the Christians.
• 57:19
  Yeah, every other fucking Bible. Because like the the the
• 57:22
  Christian Bible says that you can, you have to obey the man,
• 57:27
  the husband, basically he. Could beat your wife if she
• 57:30
  doesn't pay attention. You can also kill a guy if he's
• 57:33
  wearing clothes made from two different types of fabrics.
• 57:37
  Yeah. And then basically says that
• 57:43
  like, if someone rapes you, you can be sold to the rapist
• 57:46
  because. Yeah.
• 57:49
  And it's so it is the only kind of like, I guess, quote UN quote
• 57:52
  Bible that does condemn things like that.
• 57:54
  Now it is like, it's a lot of things that people like do
• 57:59
  choose to live by. But again, like, I wouldn't call
• 58:02
  it anything fucking ground breaking.
• 58:04
  I would just call it being a fucking decent person.
• 58:07
  Like do you know what I mean? Like it's just like everyone's
• 58:11
  equal. Don't rape people, don't kill
• 58:14
  people. Like just fucking focus on
• 58:18
  yourself. And it's like, you know that
• 58:19
  whole like a love thy neighbor in the Bible.
• 58:22
  It's like you don't have to fucking love thy.
• 58:23
  Neighbor that gets ignored by, you know, everyone.
• 58:26
  Yeah, it's like. By the people who can do Europe
• 58:28
  apparently read the Bible more than anyone.
• 58:31
  Exactly. It's basically do your own thing
• 58:34
  as long as you're not hurting anyone, and then if someone's
• 58:37
  hurting you, fuck them up. But.
• 58:39
  If they're not. Hurting you?
• 58:41
  Leave them alone. It's like my obsession with
• 58:43
  American crystal fascists, like recently, like with all the
• 58:45
  stuff that's going on with the Trump regime.
• 58:48
  And they're, they're like, you know, pretending to be Christian
• 58:51
  and, you know, they're just like, you know, attacking the
• 58:53
  Pope and all that stuff, which is like absolutely incredible.
• 58:57
  But there was like some pastor, there was some like weird like
• 59:00
  Christian pastor and he was on like, you know, Fox News or
• 59:02
  something. And he was like defending how JD
• 59:05
  Vance is a cunt. And he was just like, you know,
• 59:08
  Jesus was not a socialist. And it's like fucking socialist.
• 59:14
  The loaves in the fish is like he literally made food out of
• 59:17
  nothing and gave it to people for free.
• 59:21
  Fucking socialism. That was a that was a video that
• 59:25
  you sent a clip that you sent to the group chat as well.
• 59:29
  But like he gets this guy gets obliterated for like a good two
• 59:33
  minutes. And then at the end he said, you
• 59:35
  know why Jesus wasn't a socialist?
• 59:38
  Because he held, he actually helped people.
• 59:41
  Or was it he actually that was he he actually fed people?
• 59:45
  Yeah, he actually fed people. That means he was.
• 59:48
  Socialism. Like.
• 59:51
  He found the needy and people who needed help, and he helped
• 59:55
  him for free. Well he was trying to swipe.
• 59:57
  That was communism. Like you're an idiot.
• 1:00:01
  Again, like Historical Jesus, again turning up and you know,
• 1:00:05
  fan of the friend of the show Historical Jesus.
• 1:00:11
  Long time listener. By the way, if you if you
• 1:00:14
  subscribe to the Patreon for a tenor, you can have access to
• 1:00:18
  our group chat. Oh good God, fuck.
• 1:00:22
  Oh good gosh. Adrian.
• 1:00:24
  There is a Patreon that Alex set up.
• 1:00:26
  I don't think anyone's ever subscribed or if they have, he
• 1:00:28
  is taking the money and not telling us.
• 1:00:30
  He deserves, yeah, he deserves it.
• 1:00:32
  Like it's because we don't put anything on there, Not yet.
• 1:00:37
  We should start doing that, but anyway, right?
• 1:00:39
  So let's get back to this. The family dropped acid
• 1:00:41
  constantly and practiced exercises.
• 1:00:44
  I say exercises while under the influence.
• 1:00:46
  Charlie made them all sit in a circle with him in the middle
• 1:00:49
  because of course, as the focal point.
• 1:00:52
  He instructed them to get rid of their pasts and forget their
• 1:00:56
  parents, telling them that they needed to quote UN quote die to
• 1:01:01
  be rebuilt. Some members reported that he
• 1:01:04
  even re enacted the crucifixion while they were on LSD, which
• 1:01:09
  during a bad trip LED them to believe that they were actually
• 1:01:13
  witnessing Jesus. Yeah, there we go.
• 1:01:15
  Yeah. This group, cut off from
• 1:01:17
  society, was trapped in a cycle of daily drug use and
• 1:01:21
  brainwashing. So Charles's philosophy
• 1:01:25
  initially centered on oneness and love, but over time he
• 1:01:29
  became increasingly paranoid. Which Have we seen this before
• 1:01:33
  when we've talked about cults where we've.
• 1:01:35
  Seen this before and it's usually like the, you know, like
• 1:01:37
  overtime with cults they want to control but they're also like
• 1:01:40
  taking so much drugs that like just always leads to paranoia
• 1:01:43
  always. Yes, like BOM BOM BOM Jim Jones,
• 1:01:48
  his message turned darker. He thought that there was no
• 1:01:51
  right or wrong and that life and death were the same.
• 1:01:55
  Death was merely a welcome to a better life.
• 1:01:58
  He stopped letting anyone leave the compound without permission
• 1:02:02
  and banned all music except The Beatles, The Moody Blues, which
• 1:02:07
  fucking boats suck ass by the way.
• 1:02:10
  No, The Beatles are cool. The Beatles Fucking.
• 1:02:14
  It was the White Album. Yeah, that was his.
• 1:02:16
  Just the White Album. Just the white, like it wasn't
• 1:02:19
  just the White Album and like he, he fed them the White Album.
• 1:02:24
  He used to, eh, do like sermons on the White Album and tell
• 1:02:29
  everybody to like pay attention. This lane means this, this lane
• 1:02:33
  means that. So obviously when we get into
• 1:02:35
  Helter Skelter, like Helter Skelter was on, he was like he
• 1:02:37
  talks about that, But like all of the all of the songs have
• 1:02:41
  like this, Eh, he he believed or he wanted them to believe that
• 1:02:46
  The Beatles, yes, The Beatles were writing that music for
• 1:02:50
  Manson to take in telepathically and that The Beatles, The
• 1:02:55
  Beatles. Was like.
• 1:02:57
  Oh. Yeah, brother.
• 1:03:00
  Told Mary she was going to have a baby and like that's how he
• 1:03:04
  was like. Brother Paul McCartney was
• 1:03:06
  writing songs for me. He was.
• 1:03:09
  Like I was hulking up. I was hulking up for Paul and
• 1:03:12
  Ringo. You better believe.
• 1:03:16
  John Lennon is going to run wild.
• 1:03:18
  On you let. Me tell you something, Ringo
• 1:03:30
  fucking crazy yeah, the the White Album.
• 1:03:34
  He he apparently like like the songs and White album like as
• 1:03:38
  little piggy one of them where he is like this.
• 1:03:41
  This one is about, you know, the police and Blackbirds is another
• 1:03:47
  one. Can you guess what that one's
• 1:03:49
  about? And then like how their skelter
• 1:03:53
  was going to be about the the upcoming race war and stuff like
• 1:03:57
  that. Like, yeah, obviously I again,
• 1:04:00
  like Danny, you're probably going to get into it.
• 1:04:02
  But like, it's I will. Like it's, it's the stuff that
• 1:04:07
  he starts like slowly building up his like little bit racist
• 1:04:12
  and he gets a lot a bit racist. So like, Oh yeah.
• 1:04:15
  So when it comes to the White Album, he was like even the name
• 1:04:18
  of the album. It's the White Album.
• 1:04:20
  He's telling us. You know what I mean?
• 1:04:22
  The Beatles are telling us this is the White Album.
• 1:04:24
  You get me? And I, I do have to say, before
• 1:04:26
  we go any further, because this is a hocus pocus, like a focus
• 1:04:31
  podcast, I am obliged to say this.
• 1:04:33
  We are The Beatles. The four Beatles from Liverpool.
• 1:04:40
  Have you seen Walk Card? The Dewey Cox.
• 1:04:43
  I I saw it like when I came out. Yeah, yeah, I know that scene.
• 1:04:46
  We talk about this every episode all.
• 1:04:49
  The. Time, Charlie.
• 1:04:52
  With The Beatles, it's me, John Lennon from The Beatles.
• 1:04:55
  Get ready for the upcoming race for Charlie.
• 1:05:02
  And essentially like it works for you or Shane, because we're
• 1:05:05
  so tired of us being impish and whimsical.
• 1:05:12
  Charlie Manson, you're a cunt. As the drummer, I'm just
• 1:05:18
  focusing on having fun, right? So Moody Blues suck, OK?
• 1:05:25
  In 1966 there were riots protesting the Vietnam War.
• 1:05:31
  Charlie followed these events but kept his members ignorant of
• 1:05:34
  them. So basically they're like, they
• 1:05:36
  weren't allowed to read the news.
• 1:05:38
  Nothing. Like they didn't know what was
• 1:05:40
  really happening in the outside world.
• 1:05:42
  He became paranoid that a race war was imminent.
• 1:05:45
  And this is where narratives diverge.
• 1:05:49
  This is the prosecution's Helter Skelter version.
• 1:05:53
  Again, there is the drug deal gone wrong version, which is
• 1:05:57
  this is what I personally believe.
• 1:05:59
  And so this is what I am going to talk about for the remainder
• 1:06:03
  of the episode. But I I will touch on kind of
• 1:06:07
  the the other point of it where it was like the whole race war
• 1:06:11
  end of World fucking thing. But this is, I think, the most
• 1:06:16
  realistic version of what happened.
• 1:06:19
  Sure. Which again, is hard to know
• 1:06:21
  because they're all a bunch of fucking crackheads that we're
• 1:06:23
  talking. This is Danny's truth.
• 1:06:25
  Oh, no. And, and surprisingly, the most
• 1:06:27
  logical explanation. I didn't go with the death cult.
• 1:06:30
  I didn't go with the wow, you know I know, right?
• 1:06:34
  I I will still graphically detail the murders if that's
• 1:06:38
  what you're concerned about, but I won't.
• 1:06:40
  Do that, but I do that was coming.
• 1:06:43
  I know I love it. I love it anyway, so here is
• 1:06:47
  this version. In July 1969, Tech's Sexy
• 1:06:52
  Watson, who was a drug dealer, went to a deal with another
• 1:06:56
  dealer in LA named Bernard Crowe.
• 1:07:00
  Tex was purchasing 1000. Two what?
• 1:07:03
  Sorry, what? What was what's Crow's?
• 1:07:06
  He has a fucking fantastic. Nickname.
• 1:07:08
  He does. Yes, some.
• 1:07:10
  Oh, I didn't write it down. I did have it in the research,
• 1:07:14
  but I just was. It's lots of Papa.
• 1:07:17
  Lots of Papa. Sorry.
• 1:07:18
  There you go. It's such a good minister name.
• 1:07:21
  And I've just seen, I've just seen the photograph of him, and
• 1:07:23
  you're goddamn right, he's lots of Papa.
• 1:07:26
  He's a big. He's a big boy.
• 1:07:28
  He's like 300 lbs. Yeah, Big Sexy.
• 1:07:31
  Anyway, so Burger Crow, Tex was purchasing $1200 worth of drugs
• 1:07:38
  but didn't have the cash, which. All right, why are you going to
• 1:07:41
  a drug deal with no cash? Oh, he had a backup plan.
• 1:07:44
  Tex. Tex.
• 1:07:46
  Come on, Tex. What's on Tex baby?
• 1:07:49
  Yeah, so basically he was like, he had some of the cash, right?
• 1:07:55
  And then he was like, oh shit, I don't have all of it.
• 1:07:58
  I'm going to go get you your money.
• 1:07:59
  And then Big Papa Crow was basically like, well, how do I,
• 1:08:04
  I know you're going to come back?
• 1:08:05
  So he was just like, oh, I'll leave my my girlfriend here as,
• 1:08:11
  as collateral, essentially. So he left his girlfriend and
• 1:08:16
  then stole the drugs and never went back, which Can you imagine
• 1:08:20
  being that girl? But like, I'm sure he's going to
• 1:08:22
  come back any minute. Like I'm sure he'll be back.
• 1:08:24
  That that would be you. You would be left as collateral
• 1:08:27
  and you'd be like, he'll be back any minute.
• 1:08:30
  Million percent. Yeah.
• 1:08:32
  And then like, you know, she, she would speak to lots of Papa
• 1:08:34
  for all of like 5 minutes. And after like 5 minutes he'd
• 1:08:37
  just be like this bitch has to go.
• 1:08:42
  If this page. Asked me when will I wear wigs
• 1:08:44
  one more time I'm. Have you formed figures he can
• 1:08:54
  keep the drugs. Fuck off, just take your bitch.
• 1:09:00
  So he left his cover and then he stole the drugs and went back.
• 1:09:04
  Bernard Crowe eventually called the compound now.
• 1:09:07
  So just to throw it back a little bit, Tex's real name was
• 1:09:12
  Charles. So it was Charles text, Charles
• 1:09:17
  Watson basically. So he calls the compound and
• 1:09:20
  he's like, where the fuck is Charles meaning text?
• 1:09:23
  But it was Charles Manson that picked up the phone and then
• 1:09:28
  Bernard threatened to burn the ranch and rape all of his women
• 1:09:32
  if he didn't get his money. So Manson, then he decided to
• 1:09:37
  take matters into his own hands. He went to meet Bernard and then
• 1:09:41
  after a fight he shot him. Manson then grabbed the
• 1:09:46
  girlfriend and left believing that he had killed Bernard.
• 1:09:52
  So Charles became extremely paranoid, believing that Bernard
• 1:09:57
  was actually a Black Panther. This is.
• 1:10:00
  Purely because lots of Papa was a black guy that he had killed
• 1:10:04
  or that he told he had killed and he was just like, well, he's
• 1:10:07
  black, therefore he's a Black Panther.
• 1:10:09
  Well, on the news the next day, there was reports of a
• 1:10:14
  high-ranking Black Panther member was shot and killed and
• 1:10:18
  he went to oh shit. So like all of these little
• 1:10:21
  coincidences kind of land. So like, yeah, eh, over the
• 1:10:24
  wireless. He was listening like they were
• 1:10:26
  listening to the news and yeah, Cam like a prominent member of
• 1:10:30
  the Black Panthers that's been killed.
• 1:10:31
  And he was like, oh, shit, a matter of killing one of the
• 1:10:33
  black super paranoid man. Yeah.
• 1:10:35
  And then he gets straight into the paranoia.
• 1:10:38
  Yeah. And, and plus he doesn't like
• 1:10:41
  the the black people as they are known right now.
• 1:10:46
  He wouldn't have called him that, but he they, they were
• 1:10:50
  all, I think the reports come in that like when he was in prison
• 1:10:55
  and when he was in these, the institutions for boys and stuff
• 1:11:00
  like that, that he was getting a hard time off of mostly black
• 1:11:04
  people. Like, especially because he was
• 1:11:06
  so small. Like black guys were like, you
• 1:11:08
  know, I don't know if they were using them as a pocket, but like
• 1:11:11
  they were definitely passing around the, the prisoners.
• 1:11:13
  I'd imagine. So like he didn't have like he
• 1:11:18
  wasn't very fond of black people anyways.
• 1:11:20
  So now that. Incredibly racist is what you're
• 1:11:23
  trying to say, yeah. This is what I'm trying to say.
• 1:11:26
  But now he now he thinks he's justified in he thinks he's
• 1:11:30
  justifiably in a gang war with the Black Panthers.
• 1:11:33
  Like he just looked at all these different like sects, like in
• 1:11:36
  the world as like different groups.
• 1:11:38
  So if you were black, you were in the Black Panthers and you
• 1:11:40
  were his enemy. And like, he was white and in
• 1:11:44
  the Manson Family. So like, he he was like, yeah.
• 1:11:48
  So like he was everyone was a gang, or everyone was a cult or
• 1:11:51
  everyone was a set to him. So yeah, basically he thought
• 1:11:54
  that they would like, retaliate against him and like, destroy
• 1:11:59
  the family. Basically.
• 1:12:01
  This paranoia would lead him to get the other family members to
• 1:12:05
  commit crimes, making them accomplices in his own crimes.
• 1:12:09
  To get protection, Manson enlisted a motorcycle gang
• 1:12:13
  called the Straight Satans in exchange for girls, which I just
• 1:12:18
  not. To be not to be confused with
• 1:12:20
  the gay Satans who do a lot of good community work and they're
• 1:12:23
  pillars of the community. We are the by Beelzebubs.
• 1:12:29
  Motorcycle gangs, they're so gay.
• 1:12:32
  Like to me it's just so lame and so gay.
• 1:12:35
  It's so fringe. Not the straights.
• 1:12:37
  It says it right on the main. Lame man just.
• 1:12:41
  Looking at Satan. Like you're so cute on your
• 1:12:44
  little bike with your friends. Like it's just, I can't find it.
• 1:12:47
  I'm just like, Oh my God. But.
• 1:12:49
  Also like. Manson little matching jackets
• 1:12:52
  and you're riding around when you're doing drug deals you're
• 1:12:54
  so. Like Manson went to the straight
• 1:12:56
  Satan's because he was just like, these are Nazis, they are
• 1:13:01
  whites and supremacists, and I'm in trouble with the Black
• 1:13:05
  Panthers, so logically I have to have to get some Nazis.
• 1:13:10
  And then the straight Satans would be like, money or not, a
• 1:13:13
  black person is like, down on a white person, We're going to
• 1:13:16
  fucking sort it out. Yeah.
• 1:13:17
  They're just like, whatever. So one day, the straight Satans
• 1:13:22
  wanted drugs. Family member Bobby Boussoli
• 1:13:26
  which sorry gorgeous. Search him right now so far.
• 1:13:31
  Bobby Bousilly. Was it Waterboy said that Gary
• 1:13:41
  Hinman could supply them? Bobby bought the drugs from
• 1:13:46
  Gary, but the bikers claimed that the drugs were bad and
• 1:13:49
  demanded their money back. If you can hear screaming, that
• 1:13:52
  is my cat. I'm not keeping anyone hostage,
• 1:13:57
  so they threatened to kill people if they weren't refunded.
• 1:14:01
  To avoid conflict with the bikers, Charlie ordered Bobby
• 1:14:04
  along with family members Mary Brunner and Susan Atkins, which
• 1:14:08
  we'll get to her a little bit later.
• 1:14:09
  She's a fucking weird 1 to get the money back from Gary Hinnom
• 1:14:15
  Hinnom Hinman. When they confronted Gary with a
• 1:14:19
  gun, he refused, claiming that the drugs were good and that he
• 1:14:23
  had already spent the money. They held Gary hostage for two
• 1:14:27
  days. Gary was right, by the way.
• 1:14:30
  That the drugs were good. No, well, not not.
• 1:14:33
  But what he said was he was actually really reasonable and
• 1:14:36
  said, OK, sorry that sorry that you think the drugs are bad.
• 1:14:39
  Can you bring them back? We'll we'll try them out.
• 1:14:41
  And they said, no, we've already tossed drugs.
• 1:14:44
  And then, then I'm not giving you your money so far.
• 1:14:47
  He knew they just took all the drugs and then wanted their
• 1:14:50
  money back anyways. Yeah, this criminal.
• 1:14:52
  Had some standards, goddamnit. Yeah.
• 1:14:54
  It's a fucking. Idea report for no reason,
• 1:14:57
  basically. So yeah, they held him hostage
• 1:15:00
  for two days. When he wasn't cooperating, the
• 1:15:02
  girls called Charlie Manson, who showed up, broke down the door,
• 1:15:07
  and sliced Gary's face with a knife.
• 1:15:10
  Bobby, realizing Gary would probably rat them out if left
• 1:15:14
  alive, stabbed and killed him before.
• 1:15:17
  So this is where we get into the whole the whole fucking.
• 1:15:20
  This is where it starts. Yeah, this is the. 1st So he
• 1:15:24
  wrote political piggy on the wall in Gary's blood and threw a
• 1:15:31
  drew a Black Panther paw print to throw off investigators and
• 1:15:36
  make it look related to the Bernard Crowe shooting.
• 1:15:39
  Not long after, Bobby was pulled over and arrested in one of
• 1:15:43
  Gary's cars. So again, just throw it back a
• 1:15:46
  little bit here. Manson was convinced that the
• 1:15:50
  drug dealer Bernard Crowe was in the Black Panthers and then
• 1:15:54
  tried to connect the two murders, thinking that the cops
• 1:15:57
  would be like, Oh yeah, this is fucking connected.
• 1:16:01
  And hold on, that is exactly what the cops would think.
• 1:16:04
  Like the cops in California in the 1960s would just be like,
• 1:16:09
  well, that black guy was shot, and this guy, he's dead.
• 1:16:13
  And there's a Black Panther. There's a Panther on the wall.
• 1:16:17
  Wait a minute, wait a minute, I'm going to get that promotion.
• 1:16:21
  Let's go beat all the black guys in the city.
• 1:16:26
  Liam Neeson style but like. That's a good call.
• 1:16:30
  And I was walking around with Akash.
• 1:16:33
  Just fucking beating any black lad I came across and but like,
• 1:16:37
  they didn't, they didn't make that connection because they're
• 1:16:40
  fucking why would they? Like, literally.
• 1:16:43
  And. Charlie Manson thinks he's
• 1:16:45
  playing 3D chess and really he's sitting on the ground with LSD
• 1:16:49
  running through his veins pushing pieces of shit around
• 1:16:51
  the floor like he's not. He does.
• 1:16:53
  He's not making anti coherent sense even here now.
• 1:16:56
  No, not at all. And like you right, this is the
• 1:17:01
  first time I'm ever going to be like, I'm kind of with the
• 1:17:03
  crackhead on this one. But he to be fair, I understand
• 1:17:09
  his train of thought, right? But also at the fucking same
• 1:17:13
  time, it's Los Angeles in the fucking city.
• 1:17:16
  Like how many murders are happening fucking day-to-day?
• 1:17:19
  They're not just going to be like, oh, this one black person
• 1:17:22
  over here was murdered. This one black person where
• 1:17:25
  we're like why would they connect that?
• 1:17:27
  Like unless they were fucking insanely racist to be like any
• 1:17:32
  black person who gets murdered is connected to the other.
• 1:17:35
  But there also was just like the cops, like generally and even up
• 1:17:39
  to this day, like when a person of color or like a Native
• 1:17:44
  American gets killed, the cops are basically just like, Nah,
• 1:17:48
  shit happens, I guess. Exactly.
• 1:17:50
  It's just coming and it's not that.
• 1:17:51
  I'm gonna give 3/5 of a fuck about this murder.
• 1:17:54
  Yes. And then I was listening to a
• 1:17:56
  case recently. Thank you.
• 1:17:58
  And it was just, it was, I think it was in the 80s, but it was
• 1:18:04
  like some neighborhood that like, it was all just like, like
• 1:18:09
  black kids that were going missing.
• 1:18:11
  And it wasn't treated the same way at all.
• 1:18:15
  Albert Fish, wasn't it? No, it wasn't.
• 1:18:17
  It was. Oh, sorry, the 80s.
• 1:18:19
  Sorry, Yeah. 80s yeah. And it was like basically they
• 1:18:22
  had like riots and stuff to to. It was in Washington.
• 1:18:26
  We have gone through this. We we went through this with
• 1:18:28
  Albert Fish, eh fucking what's his name as well?
• 1:18:30
  You're eh, other fucking sexy murderer with the Super glasses.
• 1:18:34
  Fuck. What's his name?
• 1:18:35
  Not key in the other one. Yeah, eating, eating brown boys.
• 1:18:38
  Yeah, yeah, exactly. That was Amber was like eating
• 1:18:42
  fucking black people. And I get.
• 1:18:44
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
• 1:18:45
  And it was the the so the first kind of red flag that should
• 1:18:51
  have been raised was like, it was a little Filipino kid, I
• 1:18:55
  think it was. And he was 14.
• 1:18:57
  And he like escaped essentially from jammer.
• 1:19:01
  'S apartment, he was out of his box.
• 1:19:03
  Yeah, he take, take her, gay boy.
• 1:19:06
  Yeah, they were like. He's like, it's gay and drugs.
• 1:19:09
  That's bad. Yeah, so 2 two women actually,
• 1:19:11
  he found him and they were like, what the fuck?
• 1:19:13
  And then they contact police and they were just like, this kid is
• 1:19:16
  like, and like he was covered in blood, whatever.
• 1:19:19
  And then, um, Dammer came running into the street.
• 1:19:21
  He was like, oh, he's my little Filipino boyfriend.
• 1:19:24
  We just had an argument that they were like, yay, certain
• 1:19:26
  domestic out in behind closed doors essentially gave this boy
• 1:19:31
  back to Matt to Dahmer. Sorry.
• 1:19:33
  And yeah, just didn't want anything to do with it.
• 1:19:36
  And that's I'm running fucking team and a lot of cases,
• 1:19:39
  unfortunately, where it was just like a gay.
• 1:19:42
  Yeah, no, don't want that. That's that's not our fucking
• 1:19:46
  jurisdiction. Let's say this for the dammer
• 1:19:49
  episode that we're inevitably going to do.
• 1:19:51
  Anyway. So because while he was a family
• 1:19:55
  member, Charlie got extremely paranoid that things would lead
• 1:19:58
  back to him, the group decided to kill again to stage a copycat
• 1:20:03
  murder. Which they're all fucking
• 1:20:05
  idiots. Which they thought would lead
• 1:20:08
  investigators to believe that they had the wrong person in
• 1:20:11
  jail for the Gary Hinman murder. This again is the thinking that
• 1:20:16
  overcomplicates things. Charlie and Tex were looking for
• 1:20:20
  a high profile target that they hated.
• 1:20:23
  And they would settle on bring them back.
• 1:20:27
  Terry Melcher, the music producer.
• 1:20:30
  Remember I told you I told you to.
• 1:20:31
  Remember, it's the, it's like the chip on his shoulder where
• 1:20:34
  like he's, he's completely like deep into this, like drug
• 1:20:37
  fuelled paranoia and he's just like, and this son of a bitch,
• 1:20:41
  he's he halted my music career. He he stole my songs and gave it
• 1:20:44
  to The Beach Boys. Yes, exactly.
• 1:20:47
  So Manson knew where Terry lived because he had visited him
• 1:20:51
  before. On August 9th, 1969, in Terry
• 1:20:55
  Melcher's rented home on Celio Drive.
• 1:20:58
  Actress Sharon Tate, who was eight months pregnant at the
• 1:21:02
  time, was having a small get together with her husband,
• 1:21:05
  director Roman Polanski. God damn it, let's just.
• 1:21:10
  We won't go too too much into into Roman Polanski paedophile.
• 1:21:16
  Rapist Roman Polanski. Paedophile rapist Roman Polanski
• 1:21:21
  We won't, we won't talk about There we go.
• 1:21:23
  He was in the UK at the time. Committing crimes.
• 1:21:26
  Committing crimes and then Sharon was having like a little
• 1:21:31
  get together with her friends. So also present were J Sebring
• 1:21:39
  Sebring Sebring Sebring, who was like a a hairdresser, kind of an
• 1:21:45
  iconic hair stylist that you will see mentioned a lot even
• 1:21:50
  today in like Vogue editorials and things like that.
• 1:21:53
  Abigail Folder, heirs to the coffee company.
• 1:21:57
  You know Folgers Coffee if you've been to the I.
• 1:22:00
  Can't wait to see him pronounce his next name.
• 1:22:04
  And her boyfriend, Wycheck Frykowski.
• 1:22:08
  Fucking hell. You fucking Jesus Christ.
• 1:22:12
  Yeah, it's ice hockey players. It's definitely ice hockey
• 1:22:16
  players. So she's seen those names, Yeah.
• 1:22:18
  Wycheck, Frykowski and Stephen Parent, who was the property's
• 1:22:22
  caretaker. So family members Tex Watson,
• 1:22:26
  Patricia Krenwinkel and Linda Kasabian and Susan Atkins drove
• 1:22:31
  to the home. Mansell, Mansell.
• 1:22:34
  Nigel. Mansell, Nigel Mansell, Yeah.
• 1:22:38
  I was going to say I was. That good at driving, my God.
• 1:22:42
  What about an easy getaway? Manson told them to do whatever
• 1:22:48
  Tech said. Linda remained in the car as a
• 1:22:50
  lookout. Tech's first encountered Steve
• 1:22:53
  Parent, who was shot in his car about to leave.
• 1:22:56
  So basically he had popped in to do his fucking job and then was
• 1:22:59
  literally like, wouldn't have been in the way at all.
• 1:23:01
  And he was just like, yeah, fuck you.
• 1:23:03
  He was actually trying to sell someone a radio.
• 1:23:05
  He wasn't even there on working hours.
• 1:23:07
  He was there to sell, and as he was leaving, he was the one that
• 1:23:10
  pushed the button for the gate to let these in.
• 1:23:13
  So. Yeah, it's crazy.
• 1:23:16
  So he shot him four times, and then Tex and the girls entered
• 1:23:21
  the house. A horrifying and brutal scene
• 1:23:23
  ensued. Jay Sebring was shot and killed.
• 1:23:27
  The victims were collectively stabbed 102 times and shot
• 1:23:32
  multiple times. Which, right, OK, you're dead.
• 1:23:36
  Like, they're dead. They're obviously fucking dead.
• 1:23:38
  Why do you keep fucking going? Like this was like a whole frame
• 1:23:42
  there. Is an answer to that though,
• 1:23:43
  because, eh, while like Texas job when he was there.
• 1:23:48
  So Manson, like first of all, they knew that Terry Melcher
• 1:23:53
  wasn't even there this time around.
• 1:23:55
  They just wanted that their whole thing was he was there.
• 1:23:59
  They wanted to kill some high profile people.
• 1:24:03
  That was it. Yeah.
• 1:24:04
  They were like, they're focused or we need to.
• 1:24:05
  So whoever's in that house is rich enough, they're going to
• 1:24:08
  get butchered up. Yeah.
• 1:24:10
  But Tex, who by the way, was the highest a human being has ever
• 1:24:14
  been, is what Tex has been for the last few days because.
• 1:24:17
  Essentially. Somebody on the ranch went out
• 1:24:20
  looking for for plants that they were, eh, going to make into
• 1:24:27
  loosen hallucinogenic. I don't know what the plant was.
• 1:24:30
  It wasn't Angels trumpet, it was something else.
• 1:24:33
  But apparently you're not even supposed to be in the room when
• 1:24:35
  you're cooking this thing, because the fumes will send you
• 1:24:38
  fucking crazy. Ayahuasca.
• 1:24:40
  It's not ayahuasca. It's something again, it's
• 1:24:43
  something completely. I keep fucking forgetting stuff
• 1:24:45
  because I've got it. This is just stuff.
• 1:24:47
  I, I, I learned today. Well, he walked in while they
• 1:24:50
  were cooking this thing that you're not supposed to be in the
• 1:24:52
  room when you're cooking it because you're not supposed to
• 1:24:54
  inhale the fumes coming off it. And he picked it up like it was
• 1:24:58
  a fucking apple and just bit into it.
• 1:25:01
  And then apparently he was like that was he?
• 1:25:04
  He was on like a trip for like 2 days and Wayne Manson came to
• 1:25:08
  him to talk about like going and doing this fucking eh, starting
• 1:25:13
  what what they were basically was was going to be like a big
• 1:25:18
  fucking like, let's let's start a war here or whatever it is.
• 1:25:22
  Like he got text and text is like, I'm not feeling too good.
• 1:25:25
  I don't know if I'm up for this. And he was like, you have to be
• 1:25:27
  up for this. You're the fucking number one
• 1:25:28
  guy. You're the guy that's going to
• 1:25:29
  do it and you convince text to do it.
• 1:25:31
  So Texas Elvis tits. The women are all on LSD as
• 1:25:35
  well. So they're all kind of fucked.
• 1:25:37
  But what? Yeah, what Manson said to text
• 1:25:40
  before delete again in his words, he didn't say and he
• 1:25:44
  didn't tell him what to do. But he employed to text that
• 1:25:49
  everybody should be implicated. So, yeah, when when the victims
• 1:25:55
  were like on the ground, he was telling people, OK, you need to
• 1:25:58
  go over and stab that person now.
• 1:26:00
  Yeah. So he was kind of.
• 1:26:02
  Dictate. And he was like, everybody needs
• 1:26:03
  to get their hands dirty. So what happened was the women
• 1:26:06
  who were like, kind of reluctant to do anything at the start end
• 1:26:10
  up like stabbing these people like 20 times each because,
• 1:26:14
  yeah, Tex is just screaming at them.
• 1:26:17
  You need to fucking do this. You need to do it.
• 1:26:19
  You need to do it. Yeah, so blood was everywhere.
• 1:26:23
  The word pig was written on the front door in Sharon Kate's
• 1:26:27
  blood, which a little bit of a side note, not to derail too
• 1:26:32
  much, but this house then was later sold down the line a few
• 1:26:37
  times. Reznor of Nine Inch Nails bought
• 1:26:41
  it and turned it into a recording studio and he kept the
• 1:26:45
  door. So if you Google it, it's a it's
• 1:26:50
  like pig records or something that he he chose to call it.
• 1:26:55
  And. And.
• 1:26:56
  Then. Yeah, he just felt.
• 1:26:59
  Like. Yeah, Just felt really drawn to
• 1:27:02
  this, this door. Then he later moved to New York,
• 1:27:06
  moved the studio to New York, took the.
• 1:27:08
  Door with him. Yeah, and it's called, it's just
• 1:27:12
  called pig. So yeah, which is like.
• 1:27:16
  And he, he says that he's a guy. Didn't do it to be like.
• 1:27:19
  Apparently he had claimed that he didn't know anything about
• 1:27:24
  the Sharon Tate murders. Or anything.
• 1:27:26
  He was just like, I just really like this door.
• 1:27:28
  Yeah, I think the door of the house.
• 1:27:31
  I have sex with this door. Yeah, he was like, it's the
• 1:27:34
  essence of the house and whatever was the essence of my
• 1:27:37
  studio and I. Just want to fuck you like a
• 1:27:40
  door. Pretty much.
• 1:27:42
  And then the door. Apparently a lot of people were
• 1:27:46
  trying to like, basically just steal the door.
• 1:27:50
  But we know how much like these kind of properties are like
• 1:27:54
  items get revered by guys like that, like Jimmy Mage by in
• 1:27:58
  Aleister Crowley's place, like that, that that kind of stuff
• 1:28:01
  happens where it's like all people who are involved with
• 1:28:04
  this kind of shitty stuff. Honestly, like yeah, like my
• 1:28:08
  shit, like I I have like paintings and.
• 1:28:10
  Stuff like. And stuff from people in prison
• 1:28:13
  and it's like, it is a morbid kind of, it's not a like a
• 1:28:20
  normal thing to be into. But like, I guess like with,
• 1:28:25
  with the likes of like this is it's such.
• 1:28:29
  And again, I'm not trying to make an excuse or, or anything
• 1:28:31
  like that or like, you know, justify it, but it's such an
• 1:28:35
  iconic piece of history. Yeah, to own.
• 1:28:40
  Do you know what I mean? Because it's going to be talked
• 1:28:42
  about for fucking ever, like Charles Manson.
• 1:28:44
  It's the the Hollywood Murder house.
• 1:28:46
  Yeah, it's. Exactly.
• 1:28:47
  Yeah. And it's I I can kind of see why
• 1:28:50
  you would want it in like. You think you're being at a
• 1:28:54
  murder scene, Danny? That's.
• 1:28:56
  Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, she like she would
• 1:28:58
  fuck the door after it because she'd be like, oh, this was the
• 1:29:01
  Charles Manson door. Number one reason to fuck it,
• 1:29:04
  there's blood on it. Number two reason to fuck it.
• 1:29:06
  Trenton Reznor or he fucked it. There I go.
• 1:29:09
  Fuck it for that. See, you know.
• 1:29:12
  Just for Reznor. So anyway, Manson told him to do
• 1:29:15
  whatever, Tech said. Linda remained in the car as a
• 1:29:18
  lookout. We'll get to her later.
• 1:29:20
  I think she came from money because she had she didn't serve
• 1:29:24
  any time for this and she was basically treated as a star
• 1:29:29
  witness and gave up everybody which whatever.
• 1:29:34
  Umm, so. And like, the media jumped all
• 1:29:37
  over this, like, straight away, Yeah, because like, this came.
• 1:29:40
  From money, I think she was like a rich girl that was rebelling
• 1:29:44
  and then was just like, dad help like I I followed a fucking
• 1:29:47
  serial killer. Yeah.
• 1:29:48
  And which again, anyway, so the media sensationalize the story
• 1:29:55
  as a possible satanic ritual terrifying Hollywood.
• 1:30:00
  It is believed that Manson had the family members involved in
• 1:30:03
  these murders to prevent them from tape from talking to police
• 1:30:08
  about the previous crimes. Because they were.
• 1:30:11
  They would already have all been.
• 1:30:13
  It's it's friend of the show. Compromise.
• 1:30:16
  Yes. So the very next night, another
• 1:30:21
  murder was planned. This time the targets were Leno
• 1:30:24
  and Rosemarie Labianca. They lived in a different
• 1:30:28
  section of LA. Leslie Van Houten went along to
• 1:30:31
  prove her loyalty to Charlie. So Charles, Leslie, Pat, Tex,
• 1:30:38
  Linda and Susan crammed into the car.
• 1:30:41
  I know Charles was in Charlie Manson.
• 1:30:44
  I I do have to, really. So he was present according to
• 1:30:47
  everybody involved. He was the puppet master with
• 1:30:50
  all of this. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:30:51
  He did say that he wasn't. So he wasn't there at the Sharon
• 1:30:54
  Tate murders. He claims to have not been there
• 1:30:58
  for for the Labianca murders, but everybody, every single
• 1:31:02
  member says that he was he he. Left for a burrito, apparently.
• 1:31:06
  Yes, while it was all happening, which how dare you.
• 1:31:10
  Drag Burrito into this. Yeah, so Charles went into the
• 1:31:15
  home 1st and tied up the Labiancas and then left.
• 1:31:18
  Tex Watson killed the couple while the girls also stabbed and
• 1:31:22
  carved into their bodies. They were stabbed 67 times.
• 1:31:26
  The messages? Death to Pigs Rise and Helter
• 1:31:31
  Skelter, which text? The fucking retard spelt it
• 1:31:35
  wrong, so he spelt it. Big Patty did that one.
• 1:31:38
  Yeah, she got her Patty. The big, Big Patty got the the
• 1:31:41
  blame for that one. Like, like, yeah, like it was
• 1:31:46
  written all over the the ranch as well.
• 1:31:48
  Like what? Where they were living Like they
• 1:31:50
  had Helter Skelter written everywhere.
• 1:31:52
  EALT. So, So the the phrase that
• 1:31:56
  linked them to more than one murder scene, they had written
• 1:32:00
  all over the place that they had a cult like commune.
• 1:32:04
  Is that what you're saying? Yeah.
• 1:32:05
  Yeah, fucking. Idiots.
• 1:32:07
  But they had plausible delay the ability because eh, they had
• 1:32:11
  Helter Skelter in everywhere but at this murder scene it was
• 1:32:14
  Healter Skelter. That was it.
• 1:32:16
  Was you just imagine like, you know, she writes on the wall in
• 1:32:19
  Texas, like. Goddammit Penny, you stupid.
• 1:32:23
  Bitch. So Helter Skelter obviously, as
• 1:32:25
  we know, a reference to The Beatles song, which Manson
• 1:32:28
  believed predicted a race war, and they wanted investigators to
• 1:32:33
  make the connection to the Tapeworders and then to the Gary
• 1:32:38
  Hinman murders, which is fucking.
• 1:32:42
  Yeah, yeah. Like creating evidence.
• 1:32:44
  No, but like creating evidence that links your crime scenes to
• 1:32:48
  each other. And you think it's like, oh, but
• 1:32:50
  it'll never come back to me, like.
• 1:32:53
  You're. Looking stupid tiny asshole.
• 1:32:56
  Yeah, so the reason then, as, as, as I kind of touched on
• 1:33:01
  earlier, Cherry can hold a fucking grudge.
• 1:33:04
  So the La Biancas were targeted. They live next door to Harold
• 1:33:09
  True, a friend, Charlie, and the family who had let them move in
• 1:33:14
  for a time. The La Biancas had previously
• 1:33:17
  called cops on them due to disturbances.
• 1:33:19
  Like I guess like sound and whatever, which forced Charlie
• 1:33:25
  and the family to move out. So he was like, fuck these guys
• 1:33:29
  and he knew that they had money. So he was like obvious fucking
• 1:33:34
  target basically. So back at Spawn Ranch, a ranch
• 1:33:39
  hand named Donald Shorty Shay who disliked the family
• 1:33:44
  vanished. So he basically was like, oh,
• 1:33:46
  they're taking advantage of this poor fucking 80 year old dude.
• 1:33:49
  Like he, he knew. What was happening?
• 1:33:52
  I think this guy is who Brad Pitt is kind of loosely based.
• 1:33:55
  On as well. Because he's just, he's just,
• 1:33:58
  he's an actual stuntman. So like I think this is kind of
• 1:34:01
  where the connection is made. That was my first thought as
• 1:34:04
  well. I was just kind of like, oh,
• 1:34:05
  like it's a lot of it is kind of like if you watch Once Upon a
• 1:34:09
  Time in Hollywood, it does seem to be like very kind of loosely
• 1:34:13
  based on, on certain people that aren't like at the forefront of
• 1:34:16
  the story, which it it. Yeah.
• 1:34:18
  And again, didn't like the movie, but I, I like the concept
• 1:34:22
  of it. So on August 16th, 1969, two
• 1:34:28
  members of the family were arrested on suspicion of auto
• 1:34:31
  theft. Charlie believed that Donald
• 1:34:33
  Shea had tipped off the police. Shea was never seen again on the
• 1:34:38
  police radar. The group moved to Barker Ranch
• 1:34:41
  in Death Valley, a mining property cut off from the world.
• 1:34:46
  On October 12th, 1969, officers raided Barker Ranch and arrested
• 1:34:51
  24 members Again. Fucking loads of people that I I
• 1:34:56
  left big numbers, yeah. Initially unaware of their
• 1:35:00
  involvement in the recent. Just imagine that the cops being
• 1:35:04
  like, hey, do you see that phrase that's written on all
• 1:35:07
  these cars and on all the walls? What is that Helter helter skit?
• 1:35:11
  I don't know. That's some hippie shit.
• 1:35:13
  Yeah, so that there's a. Funny thing about this race.
• 1:35:16
  So when Charles, before all the murders and stuff, Manson was
• 1:35:21
  trying to get the family to move out of Hollywood and into the
• 1:35:26
  desert because he had some kind of a thing where he was like, I
• 1:35:29
  need to get to the desert. The desert is where I'm going to
• 1:35:31
  like transcend into like a fucking proper leader of, of a
• 1:35:37
  religion. Like, and everybody was pushing
• 1:35:40
  back on this. Like the family was like, we're
• 1:35:42
  not we, we all came to Hollywood because we love California.
• 1:35:45
  What has the desert got? And he was like, he used to do
• 1:35:48
  this kind of like you're talking about there's no water in the
• 1:35:51
  desert. We wouldn't survive in the
• 1:35:52
  desert. Of course we're going to survive
• 1:35:53
  in the desert. There's water everywhere in the
• 1:35:54
  desert. It's just like the desert, a
• 1:35:56
  river that's upside down. There's water underneath.
• 1:35:58
  You just got to find the water that's underneath.
• 1:36:00
  And he was like just talking in and out again, round in circles
• 1:36:04
  about that. This is the one thing that they
• 1:36:06
  did not kind of like land on with him.
• 1:36:09
  They were like, there's no way. So when he forced everybody's
• 1:36:12
  hands with these murders, now was an excuse to move out into
• 1:36:15
  the fucking the desert into this other, right?
• 1:36:18
  Yeah. So he wanted to be out there all
• 1:36:20
  the time. And it's funny that, like, he he
• 1:36:22
  got obsessed with turning like a like stealing beetles and
• 1:36:26
  turning them into dune boogies. So like, this was the thing.
• 1:36:29
  Like, there was just a shit load of BW Beatles hanging around.
• 1:36:34
  And this is where the cops end up coming in.
• 1:36:36
  So like, he got done in by like, dune buggies.
• 1:36:39
  Yeah, I want dune buggies. Again, yeah, when it comes to
• 1:36:43
  it, we'll get into that. But apparently auto theft was
• 1:36:46
  the kind of main thing that was able to kind of nail him what I
• 1:36:51
  am. So anyway, while in jail, Susan
• 1:36:54
  Atkins blabbed to her cellmates, bragging about her and the
• 1:36:58
  family involvement in the Sharon Tate murders.
• 1:37:02
  The cellmate immediately told investigators in hope of a
• 1:37:04
  lesser sentence. And in December 1969, uh, four
• 1:37:09
  months after the crimes, Charles Manson and five members were
• 1:37:12
  charged with the Tate and Labianca murders.
• 1:37:15
  There's also a thing as well, certainly not not to defect
• 1:37:18
  again, but this is I thought this was very funny is that the
• 1:37:21
  cops weren't suspicious of these doing anything at all before.
• 1:37:25
  Like she obviously blabbed to her cellmate.
• 1:37:26
  So like, they weren't snooping around or looking into stuff,
• 1:37:29
  but something that triggered with the cops was that all of
• 1:37:32
  these people, because they thought they were being arrested
• 1:37:35
  for murder. And then when they figured out
• 1:37:37
  that they were being arrested for like, yeah.
• 1:37:41
  So like, they ended up like they were all going around whistling
• 1:37:45
  and happy as Larry and the cops, like these fucking lunatics are
• 1:37:48
  all like just singing songs. But the only songs these guys
• 1:37:51
  knew or off one album called The White Album, they were going
• 1:37:58
  around singing fucking helter skelter.
• 1:38:02
  Yeah, the cops are like, oh, so they're singing this song,
• 1:38:06
  helter Skelter. I wonder has that had anything
• 1:38:08
  to do with what was written on the fucking walls?
• 1:38:12
  So then they started looking into stuff and that's how they
• 1:38:14
  ended up like a fucking talking to cellmates and stuff like
• 1:38:17
  that, being like, have they said that to you?
• 1:38:19
  It's like, yeah, this one's fucking singing like a bird, a
• 1:38:21
  black bird #7 on the album. And so the trial began on June
• 1:38:28
  15th, 1970. Manson's request to act as his
• 1:38:32
  own attorney was denied. Which it always, it makes me
• 1:38:36
  laugh so much when people try to do that.
• 1:38:38
  Like and again, there's a bunch of cases we can cover where that
• 1:38:42
  has been the case and it always just makes them look more
• 1:38:44
  fucking mental. But it was approved at first.
• 1:38:48
  Yeah. And then?
• 1:38:51
  The judge was like, this guy's a fucking nutji.
• 1:38:53
  Yeah, He's making no points whatsoever.
• 1:38:55
  Like. He said, I'm not listening to
• 1:38:57
  this. Like, it's just kind of like,
• 1:38:59
  Nah, I want to go home at 12. I'm I'm done.
• 1:39:02
  And so Susan Atkins provided detailed testimony about the
• 1:39:06
  night of the Tate murders, showing no emotion or a more.
• 1:39:09
  She really did not fucking care. She was just loyal to Charlie.
• 1:39:13
  The the prosecution eventually decided not to use her as a
• 1:39:16
  primary witness. The main problem for her
• 1:39:19
  prosecution was that Manson was not at the scene of the Tate
• 1:39:24
  murders and did not participate in the Lambianka murders.
• 1:39:28
  So they had to convict him with circumstantial evidence under
• 1:39:32
  the law of conspiracy. And now this is still a huge
• 1:39:35
  thing that people are like, Charlie Manson didn't do
• 1:39:38
  anything wrong. He didn't murder anybody.
• 1:39:40
  Like we could say like, yeah, he coerced them to do it or he told
• 1:39:45
  them to do it because they were so at his mercy.
• 1:39:48
  But still the argument kind of remains he actually wasn't.
• 1:39:52
  He actually didn't do it. But anyway.
• 1:39:54
  It's because he was 5 foot five. He didn't have the the upper
• 1:39:57
  body strength to stab people. I couldn't do it.
• 1:40:00
  Yeah, I couldn't reach them. The trial became a media circus.
• 1:40:05
  Hollywood was in a panic. Charlie spewed wild statements,
• 1:40:09
  had constant stare offs with the camera.
• 1:40:12
  I. Fucking love this.
• 1:40:13
  Yeah. Yeah, he would stare at the jury
• 1:40:17
  to intimidate them everyday. Charlie and the three girls.
• 1:40:20
  Atkins Chronicle. Van Houten met to discuss their
• 1:40:23
  behaviour in court. One day he wanted them all to
• 1:40:26
  stand up and hold hands. Another day he wanted them to
• 1:40:31
  sing his songs. The other Manson family members
• 1:40:35
  were banned from court for disrupting proceedings, so they
• 1:40:40
  held vigils outside of the courthouse.
• 1:40:42
  OK, so before the next bit, I just want to say that in Ireland
• 1:40:46
  right now, there is a family called the Burks and the Burks.
• 1:40:50
  Yeah, exactly. And the Burks, like so Enoch is
• 1:40:55
  the most famous Burke. He's an absolute fucking
• 1:40:59
  lunatic. And so he got, he got fired from
• 1:41:04
  his job because he was harassing the people that he works with.
• 1:41:07
  That's why he was fired. No other fucking reason.
• 1:41:09
  He got fired because he was harassing them.
• 1:41:11
  The family have the biggest victim complex in the world
• 1:41:13
  because they're weird fundamentalist Christians.
• 1:41:16
  And every time one of them is in court, this is what they do.
• 1:41:19
  The family disrupts the court. They stand up and they they
• 1:41:22
  start screeching like children. Yeah.
• 1:41:26
  And they are just so disruptive. And it's just when I read this,
• 1:41:28
  I was just like, fucking hell. Like, you know, because that
• 1:41:31
  family is like its own mini cult, the the Bark family And
• 1:41:35
  Enoch, if you're listening, which I know you do because this
• 1:41:37
  is all you have in prison. And I'll fight you and I will
• 1:41:40
  beat the fucking shit out of you.
• 1:41:42
  But that will probably bring you some sexual pleasure.
• 1:41:44
  So like, maybe not. Oh shit.
• 1:41:46
  You really got to stop. And telling people you're going
• 1:41:50
  to beat the shit out of you. Enoch book it.
• 1:41:55
  I will fight Elon or Elon Enoch. Enoch.
• 1:42:02
  Triple threats. I'll fight the two of them at
• 1:42:04
  once. I'll beat the shit out of them.
• 1:42:06
  They'll fall in love and it'll make all of our problems go
• 1:42:09
  away. The two, the two of them just
• 1:42:11
  need to find love with each other.
• 1:42:13
  Enoch Burke and Elon Musk. He'll fight any eons, he'll
• 1:42:17
  fight Elon, he'll fight Elon. He'll eon from the fucking
• 1:42:22
  Ghostbusters. You fucking line them up.
• 1:42:24
  Ocean's going to take you guys down.
• 1:42:25
  God damn right. Right.
• 1:42:27
  So Charles Manson carved an X into his forehead to symbolize
• 1:42:32
  the removal from society. Fucking loser.
• 1:42:34
  So edgy and cool and the girls did the same and he would
• 1:42:38
  eventually turn this X into a swastika so it's.
• 1:42:42
  A swastika because I'm going to freak out the squares fucking.
• 1:42:46
  Pretty much it's my. It's my swastika carving on my.
• 1:42:53
  No, you have an Eli as well. I just SpaceX and I'm driving my
• 1:43:01
  Tesla with. My space swastika.
• 1:43:06
  Good gravy. That is good.
• 1:43:09
  That sounds good, right? This has been hocus pocus black
• 1:43:13
  and pocus we're. Not.
• 1:43:14
  Going to get better than that tonight.
• 1:43:22
  Very good. I'm raging with myself.
• 1:43:27
  My test, my test. Swastika, Right.
• 1:43:31
  OK, where am I going with this? Yeah.
• 1:43:33
  So prosecutor Vincent Bogliosi, I guess.
• 1:43:38
  Bogliosi. I wonder where he's from.
• 1:43:41
  Bogliosi presented the Helter Skelter theory to the court.
• 1:43:45
  Bogliosi brought an assistant into the court with him.
• 1:43:48
  So alright, he did say that this guy was his his legal assistant,
• 1:43:54
  his legal aid, but this guy was actually taking notes to help
• 1:43:59
  him write a book on the case and because.
• 1:44:03
  You have to monetize it. He was a podcaster of his time,
• 1:44:06
  that's what. Essentially, yeah.
• 1:44:08
  And he hid this fact at the time.
• 1:44:10
  So he didn't he didn't tell anyone about this.
• 1:44:12
  Justy, this is the perfect time to tell you that you've dropped
• 1:44:16
  out. So for the second week in a row,
• 1:44:21
  we've lost Justy. He has fallen on his sword of
• 1:44:25
  technical difficulties. So what you're, what you're
• 1:44:29
  hearing is actually very, very clever what we're doing.
• 1:44:33
  We're finishing the ends of these episodes.
• 1:44:36
  So we've already talked about this.
• 1:44:39
  Justy has been abducted from the Kura in Ireland by Aliens and he
• 1:44:44
  is currently being fingered in the back of a BMW flying saucer.
• 1:44:50
  Sounds exactly like what he would have wanted.
• 1:44:53
  He's having a fantastic time. Like Justy.
• 1:44:56
  You, you do you. Let your freak flag fly, buddy.
• 1:44:58
  Don't don't worry about Justy. Oh, justy's going to be all
• 1:45:02
  right. Those aliens will be disgusted
• 1:45:04
  with him very shortly and they will send him back.
• 1:45:09
  Right. OK, so prosecutor Vincent
• 1:45:13
  Bugliosi presented the Helter Skelter theory to the court.
• 1:45:17
  Bugliosi brought an assistant into court with him who was
• 1:45:20
  taking notes to help him write a book on the case, a fact that he
• 1:45:23
  hid at this time. Like that's such a podcaster
• 1:45:26
  move. I know.
• 1:45:30
  He's like, I'm just going to sneak in my friend.
• 1:45:31
  He doesn't have a recording device on him at all.
• 1:45:35
  Are you wearing a wire? So the Helter Skelter story
• 1:45:39
  presented was that Charles Manson formed a cult of social
• 1:45:42
  outcasts. He believed The Beatles were
• 1:45:45
  predicting a race war through hidden messages in their songs.
• 1:45:48
  Yeah, sure. And brainwashed his followers
• 1:45:51
  into believing that they needed to initiate this war.
• 1:45:54
  Like this is the thing I'm very like, Alex is going to is going
• 1:45:57
  to chew me out for this one, but The Beatles fucking suck.
• 1:46:01
  I. You're not.
• 1:46:02
  You're wrong there. The Beatles were fucking cool.
• 1:46:05
  I hate the. Beatles.
• 1:46:06
  No, The Beatles were cool. There is a documentary about The
• 1:46:09
  Beatles I think it's produced by Peter Jackson and it shows like
• 1:46:13
  their rise and rise and rise and The Beatles were cool as Peter
• 1:46:17
  in. Hell yeah, called Lord of the
• 1:46:19
  Ringos. Hey, it was actually Ringo who
• 1:46:25
  wanted the race war. I would believe that to be fair.
• 1:46:29
  I just don't seem. The same as us.
• 1:46:33
  He seems the most chill of all of them.
• 1:46:35
  Like of. Course he was.
• 1:46:36
  He was just sitting there being the most like, the most basic
• 1:46:38
  drummer in the world. But the man was known as the
• 1:46:40
  human metronome. Like he was like, the guy's
• 1:46:42
  timing was fucking impeccable. The Beatles were fucking cool,
• 1:46:46
  but like, wash your mouth out with soap.
• 1:46:49
  I like like some of their songs, but I've just other than that
• 1:46:52
  I'm like, I don't know. Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts
• 1:46:55
  Club Band was groundbreaking for the fucking time.
• 1:46:59
  Like groundbreaking. The White Album was
• 1:47:01
  groundbreaking. Like they were, they were
• 1:47:03
  phenomenal. They were like there is it can't
• 1:47:07
  be like overstated the impact that they had on popular music
• 1:47:11
  like from when they started creating it open till modern day
• 1:47:14
  like they just the impact is is endless.
• 1:47:18
  I don't know I liked yellow submarine actually to bring it
• 1:47:27
  back. I don't know you've I think
• 1:47:29
  you've seen walk hard right do cock story, yes, when we talk
• 1:47:33
  about it on every fucking episode.
• 1:47:38
  But it's I love how it goes to like all the different styles of
• 1:47:42
  music over the years. And then when it gets into that
• 1:47:44
  point of him just losing his fucking mind on acid and making
• 1:47:47
  the weirdest fucking album, is is just so well done like.
• 1:47:53
  The sitar just like absolutely. Like it's like, Oh yeah, I went
• 1:47:56
  to India and now I'm like the the white version of an Indian
• 1:47:59
  musician. Studio and everything.
• 1:48:01
  Yeah, fucking fantastic. Right, OK, he ordered them to
• 1:48:07
  kill high profile white people and frame black people by
• 1:48:11
  leaving clues referencing The Beatles at crime scenes.
• 1:48:15
  The theory stated that they would then hide in the desert
• 1:48:17
  and after the race war, Charlie would emerge as the leader of
• 1:48:20
  the Black Army to rebuild the world.
• 1:48:23
  It just like absolutely boggles the mind that this guy thought
• 1:48:28
  that he was going to like this white guy.
• 1:48:32
  He was going to come out at the end of this and he's like, I'm
• 1:48:35
  going to lead black people. Like where did he fucking get
• 1:48:40
  this idea from? Apart from like just copious
• 1:48:42
  amount of drugs. I mean, pretty much.
• 1:48:46
  He was going to be the white savior, He was going to be the
• 1:48:48
  ultimate white savior, and that was how he saw himself in all of
• 1:48:51
  this. It is absolutely spectacular.
• 1:48:54
  Yeah, I mean, like I think as well, The thing is he was good
• 1:49:01
  looking. He was a good looking dude,
• 1:49:02
  right. And that's, that's I think he
• 1:49:06
  was. He was also 5 foot 5.
• 1:49:09
  Like, you know, he's like this thing.
• 1:49:11
  He was like a little weird guy with beady eyes and and he had
• 1:49:14
  like a weird like scruffy hair and scruffy beard.
• 1:49:17
  And he was like, Hey, you kids want to do some drugs in the
• 1:49:19
  desert? And it's like, is that really?
• 1:49:24
  But again, that guy thought that like black people would look at
• 1:49:27
  him and go, yeah, he's our guy. He's.
• 1:49:29
  He's tiny little angry man. This little weird twitchy
• 1:49:33
  bastard is going to be our saviour like.
• 1:49:38
  I mean, yeah, if he was taller, I would probably get it.
• 1:49:41
  Like art, OK. I don't think that.
• 1:49:44
  Yeah, I don't think. I think he'd be more
• 1:49:46
  charismatic. I think so, but like, The thing
• 1:49:50
  is, right, I don't think I'll give myself a lot of credit
• 1:49:54
  here. OK, here we go.
• 1:49:56
  I don't think that I'm dumb enough to fall into a cult, but
• 1:50:00
  I am nosy enough that I would be like, where are we going and
• 1:50:05
  what are we going to do there? What?
• 1:50:07
  What are you guys doing? Why are you all wearing the same
• 1:50:09
  thing? We, we all wear white.
• 1:50:10
  Is that what we're doing? Hey, what's, what are you
• 1:50:12
  drinking there? And you would see you have.
• 1:50:18
  A lot of guns. Why do you have a lot of guns?
• 1:50:21
  Waco. That sounds pretty cool.
• 1:50:25
  Where's that? Just would be.
• 1:50:29
  Just naively falling into it because you're just like, oh,
• 1:50:32
  this sounds like it could be nice.
• 1:50:34
  Yeah, but like, if you go to fucking paradise in Jonestown,
• 1:50:38
  like it's hot. Nice.
• 1:50:39
  How nice is this stretch? Like, you know.
• 1:50:43
  It's a it's a compound in the jungle.
• 1:50:48
  I mean, I live in Cardiff. It's like it's anything's got to
• 1:50:51
  be better. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:50:52
  Cardiff is a funny city because like, you're in the city center
• 1:50:56
  and you just see like all of these people wandering around to
• 1:50:59
  look like they've just gotten out of prison.
• 1:51:01
  And then you realize that one of the main buildings in central
• 1:51:03
  Cardiff is in fact a prison. I can see into the prison yard
• 1:51:07
  from my window. Is that like porn for you?
• 1:51:11
  No, you can't see any. Like people, you can.
• 1:51:14
  See into milling around and stabbing each other so you're
• 1:51:16
  just like. Yeah, I know I'm like boring,
• 1:51:18
  but like I for fucking ages I had like when I first moved, so
• 1:51:23
  when I first moved in, I was at the other side of the building
• 1:51:25
  and then I moved up a floor and like I'm at the front of the
• 1:51:28
  building where the prison is. And I know, but for fucking like
• 1:51:35
  to be fair, I can see the prison and England.
• 1:51:38
  So it's, it's, I know I can actually see the Severn Bridge
• 1:51:42
  bristles right across the way. Everywhere I look is England,
• 1:51:45
  and I actually live near a prison as well.
• 1:51:47
  And I live near Pentonville Prison, which has a proud
• 1:51:51
  history of Irish Republican prisoners in it.
• 1:51:54
  Yeah. So, you know, technically it's
• 1:51:55
  an Irish prison. That's how I justify to myself.
• 1:52:00
  Yeah, just just keep telling yourself that.
• 1:52:03
  Come on. I kept hearing, right?
• 1:52:06
  And I was actually going mental because I could not fucking find
• 1:52:09
  out what it was for the life of me.
• 1:52:10
  But I kept hearing like bagpipes randomly.
• 1:52:14
  And I was like in my group chat with the girls and one of the
• 1:52:17
  girls, like, lives here and I was like, fucking bagpipes.
• 1:52:19
  And then she was like, I don't think there's anything on Stevie
• 1:52:22
  Wonder is in town. I was like, Oh yes, known
• 1:52:25
  bagpipe player Stevie Wonder. It's like, that's where we get
• 1:52:30
  it. But it was like bagpipes and
• 1:52:31
  drums. And I was like, well, it's
• 1:52:33
  summer, so it's not Saint Patrick's Day.
• 1:52:35
  Stevie Wonder could, he could make bagpipes funky?
• 1:52:40
  Probably. I've, I've seen him play live
• 1:52:43
  and him and his band are so fucking good that if someone
• 1:52:47
  came out with a set of bagpipes and then Stevie Wonder started
• 1:52:50
  like twinkling like his like fucking piano organ, I, I think
• 1:52:54
  he could do it. I think the only person alive
• 1:52:56
  who could do that is Stevie Wonder.
• 1:52:58
  See, I thought he was dead. And then I was like, it's the
• 1:53:01
  other blind black guy that's dead.
• 1:53:02
  Oh Jesus Christ, Ray Charles is a Ray Charles.
• 1:53:06
  Yeah. The odd the other blind black
• 1:53:09
  guy. Do you know what they really?
• 1:53:11
  But how do you that's how you see people, Charles Manson say
• 1:53:14
  savior of black. Maybe I would fit in in the
• 1:53:19
  calls. Maybe you would or maybe you
• 1:53:22
  wouldn't because he just like, hey, you can't just paint them
• 1:53:24
  all. Brush like that.
• 1:53:27
  Charles Manson chastising me for being politically encouraged.
• 1:53:31
  Charles Manson would be like, whoa, hey.
• 1:53:34
  That's a little. Bit weird.
• 1:53:36
  You're really like killing my birds, man, You know He spoke
• 1:53:41
  like that. Oh, probably.
• 1:53:43
  But yeah, the the bagpipes and stuff.
• 1:53:45
  I found out that it's actually when prison officers died.
• 1:53:49
  Oh fuck, they do. The officers.
• 1:53:52
  They do the fucking whole bagpipe.
• 1:53:55
  And of course they do like. Send them off kind of thing.
• 1:53:59
  But yeah. And that kept happening.
• 1:54:01
  And I was just like, what the fuck is that noise?
• 1:54:02
  And then it happens all the time.
• 1:54:05
  And then there was like, I was when I first moved in, I went
• 1:54:08
  mental and I found the fucking answer on Reddit.
• 1:54:11
  It's such a weird little thing, right?
• 1:54:13
  But there's a car horn every morning between like 9:00 and
• 1:54:18
  10:00. And it's the Godfather theme
• 1:54:20
  tune. It's like, and it's like every
• 1:54:25
  morning right around that same time, I was like, what the fuck
• 1:54:29
  is that? And I mentioned it to so many
• 1:54:30
  people. Nobody knew what it was.
• 1:54:33
  And then I, I'm just one day I heard it again and I was like a
• 1:54:36
  fucking cat. And I just Googled it.
• 1:54:37
  And then one answer, one question was, has anyone heard
• 1:54:42
  this one answer? It's a fucking coffee truck that
• 1:54:46
  serves the offices from Monday to Friday around 9:00 and 10:00
• 1:54:51
  and beeps when it's outside and I don't.
• 1:54:54
  Like. Yeah.
• 1:54:55
  It's like, do you like coffee and Francis Ford coffee?
• 1:54:58
  Yeah, but every fucking morning and I'm just like, what a weird
• 1:55:03
  like it's called. It's not even like a godfather
• 1:55:06
  themed name. It's something stupid like Mr.
• 1:55:08
  Coffee or something, but it's like.
• 1:55:10
  Even like, you know, Italian themed or anything.
• 1:55:12
  No, like mob coffee or whatever. It's just like, it's such a
• 1:55:15
  neat, that's creative. But yeah, I don't know how we
• 1:55:22
  got on to that, but let's get back-to-back.
• 1:55:24
  To Charlie. To Charlie.
• 1:55:27
  So the storyline set Charlie up for first degree murder and
• 1:55:31
  conspiracy under California law. The prosecution felt that
• 1:55:34
  without this story there was no solid evidence to convict him.
• 1:55:38
  The prosecution ignored the drug deal gone wrong story or the
• 1:55:42
  auto thefts because they wouldn't fit the doomsday cult
• 1:55:45
  narrative and could cause reasonable doubt for jurors.
• 1:55:48
  In the end, on March 29th, Charlie was charged with seven
• 1:55:51
  counts of first degree murder and on one count of conspiracy
• 1:55:54
  for the deaths of the Tate and Labianca victims, he was found
• 1:55:58
  guilty. Patricia Krenwinkel, Leslie Van
• 1:56:01
  Houten and Susan Atkins were also charged with murder.
• 1:56:06
  And I watched a few videos and stuff when I was like doing the
• 1:56:09
  research for this and like there was just no remorse to them at
• 1:56:15
  all. Yeah, because like they were so
• 1:56:16
  far and deep into like his because like the the way that
• 1:56:21
  they excluded like, you know, the the auto thefts and they
• 1:56:25
  excluded the drug deal gone wrong is because they they
• 1:56:27
  wanted to frame this fully as a cult.
• 1:56:31
  And they wanted to frame it fully as like he's manipulating
• 1:56:33
  them rather than like they were acting like a gang, you know,
• 1:56:36
  because they were like dealing drugs.
• 1:56:38
  They were killing people over drugs and they were stealing
• 1:56:40
  cars and selling them for money, which is a very like just, you
• 1:56:43
  know, it's run-of-the-mill. So they wanted to, like, keep
• 1:56:45
  the sensation on it because, like, it is very sensational,
• 1:56:48
  you know, like what they were doing, but they wanted to just
• 1:56:51
  take the mundane out of it. But yeah, like when they were in
• 1:56:54
  court, they're like, Manson is like performing, you know, he's
• 1:56:58
  he's like winking at the camera. He's garning, He's pulling
• 1:57:01
  faces. It's.
• 1:57:02
  And I don't even think he's trying to make himself seem
• 1:57:04
  crazy. He just thinks it's, it's fun.
• 1:57:07
  Like, he thinks that this is all just a farce.
• 1:57:09
  And like the, like, Leslie Van Houten and Susan Atkins, they
• 1:57:14
  like, they're still just like, completely enamoured with him.
• 1:57:17
  So they're just there for him. And they're there to like, you
• 1:57:20
  know, if this is what must be done to them, then they're just
• 1:57:22
  like, this is fine. You know, we did what we did and
• 1:57:24
  this is the next step in this. You know, they just felt it was
• 1:57:27
  like a very natural thing. So the jury called for the death
• 1:57:32
  penalty for all four defendants, and these girls were incredibly
• 1:57:36
  brainwashed by cult mentality and were right or die loyal to
• 1:57:39
  Charlie. However, in 1972, the California
• 1:57:43
  Supreme Court overturned the death penalty, covering their
• 1:57:46
  sentences to life or converting their sentences to life in
• 1:57:49
  prison. Excuse me.
• 1:57:51
  Throughout the years, the women expressed remorse, except Susan
• 1:57:55
  Atkins. Charlie never, until his dying
• 1:57:58
  day, accepted responsibility for the choices that they made,
• 1:58:02
  claiming he never told them what to do.
• 1:58:04
  The whole Helter Skelter doomsday cult story added to his
• 1:58:07
  infamy. Yeah, because like he was one of
• 1:58:09
  those like, you know, when when I was younger, like before, like
• 1:58:12
  true crime was like, you know, the big thing that it is now,
• 1:58:15
  you know, he was a very famous person around the world.
• 1:58:20
  And, you know, he was a character and he was a
• 1:58:22
  caricature. And you would you would see
• 1:58:25
  T-shirts with like his mug shot on them and you would see like
• 1:58:28
  Prince. And, you know, you go to like
• 1:58:30
  all those like, you know, metalhead shops and you see T.
• 1:58:32
  Shirts. They were like ridiculous.
• 1:58:34
  I would. Yeah, you'd have AT shirt with
• 1:58:36
  you'd have like a Bob Marley T-shirt, you'd have a shake of
• 1:58:39
  our T-shirt and you'd have a Charles T-shirt.
• 1:58:41
  And it's because he's he's infamous.
• 1:58:43
  You know, he's one of these super infamous characters that
• 1:58:47
  like at the end of the day, you know, he was just a murderer and
• 1:58:49
  a scumbag because there was the cult around him.
• 1:58:53
  You know, it was. And even at that, the cult isn't
• 1:58:56
  even, it's not even massively created.
• 1:58:58
  It was just a cult of personality around him.
• 1:59:00
  You know, there was no, like, razzmatazz with like, you know,
• 1:59:02
  the second kind of dog. Yeah, but.
• 1:59:07
  You know, it was, it wasn't even like, you know, we are.
• 1:59:10
  You know, there's a special alien coming down who's also
• 1:59:13
  Jesus and his ship is coming down.
• 1:59:15
  The ship's made of diamonds and it's going to shoot lasers out
• 1:59:18
  of our arses. And then we all go to live on
• 1:59:20
  our own personal planets. It was just like him, and
• 1:59:24
  everyone was just around him, and he was a mediocre musician.
• 1:59:29
  Yeah. Like, you know, he was friends
• 1:59:30
  with one of The Beach Boys. I mean, he's certainly no.
• 1:59:35
  What's his name? Marshall Applewhite with
• 1:59:38
  Heaven's Gate. I fucking love that cult so
• 1:59:41
  much. I I love it.
• 1:59:44
  I would try you like this. Actually I tried to buy the.
• 1:59:48
  Membership. Good cult.
• 1:59:50
  You know, the trainers that they all wore the Nike trainers and
• 1:59:53
  they Nike had to take them off the market, but they were like
• 1:59:56
  the cheapest, most basic Nikes you could get.
• 1:59:58
  And obviously they all have to wear the same uniform and
• 2:00:00
  they're going on eBay for fucking thousands like and it's
• 2:00:04
  just it's. So funny that like, you know,
• 2:00:07
  the like so many, but like that's the that's the razzmatazz
• 2:00:10
  that Manson didn't have what his cult.
• 2:00:12
  It was just it was just based around him and they're kind of,
• 2:00:16
  you know, drug fueled madness and weird behavior.
• 2:00:20
  There was no like, you know, everyone has the same haircut.
• 2:00:23
  There was no, you know, like he gets to marry everyone's wives.
• 2:00:27
  Like, I'm sure he was sleeping with all these women, but like,
• 2:00:29
  you know, he wasn't, he wasn't at the puppet master dealing,
• 2:00:32
  you know, like ruining families and telling everyone who could
• 2:00:35
  marry who because there's cults where the couples will join the
• 2:00:39
  cults and say if there's 15 couples and then the cult leader
• 2:00:42
  will go OK. They're all my girlfriend.
• 2:00:43
  Now they're all my girlfriend. But then he'll also be like, but
• 2:00:46
  your wife is now his wife and her husband is now her husband.
• 2:00:49
  And he'll like swap everyone around and just reshuffle all
• 2:00:52
  these families. And it creates a lot of it
• 2:00:55
  creates a lot of tension in these cults.
• 2:00:57
  But then like, you know, they're all just like they all buy into
• 2:01:00
  the leader is great. The leader is good, yeah, and
• 2:01:03
  the stuff, but with Manson? Good episode.
• 2:01:05
  It was with Manson. It wasn't that, you know, it was
• 2:01:08
  just like they followed him and they just thought he was it.
• 2:01:11
  They didn't even think he was like a Messiah.
• 2:01:13
  They just believed in him and whatever he was up to and he was
• 2:01:17
  a fucking head case. Yeah, absolutely insane.
• 2:01:21
  Like it's, I mean, I, I have no doubt that he was probably a
• 2:01:25
  very scary man at times as well, but like.
• 2:01:27
  I'm sure a man had a temper but he was also 5.5 like let's be
• 2:01:31
  real. Scrappy do.
• 2:01:33
  Exactly like all you'd have to do is put your hand on his
• 2:01:35
  forehead and he'd be I'm like I'm not, I'm 5 foot 9 and if
• 2:01:39
  someone 5 foot 5 tried to fight me I would scrappy do them.
• 2:01:43
  Like, let me out of let me out. Yeah.
• 2:01:48
  Which he never did. He just let everyone else do it.
• 2:01:50
  Exactly. It was like, let them at them,
• 2:01:52
  let them at them. So in 1974, Vincent Bugliosi
• 2:01:59
  published the true crime book Helter Skelter, based on the
• 2:02:02
  Manson case, which became the best selling true crime book in
• 2:02:05
  history to this day. Still as well, many members of
• 2:02:09
  the group will remain in prison. Leslie Van Houten is now in her
• 2:02:12
  late 60s and has been denied parole numerous times.
• 2:02:16
  Susan Atkins died in prison of brain cancer in 2009.
• 2:02:20
  Pat Krenwinkel is in her 70s and has also been denied parole.
• 2:02:24
  Parole. Tex Watson who he was the sexy 1
• 2:02:29
  he was taught. There we go.
• 2:02:32
  Yeah, considered the most responsible for the actual
• 2:02:34
  killings, is also in prison, has been denied parole and runs a
• 2:02:38
  Christian outreach site from jail.
• 2:02:41
  See, it's it, this always happens that, you know, they,
• 2:02:44
  they always, they, they do terrible things in the, the name
• 2:02:47
  of, you know, evil and in the name of being cunts.
• 2:02:51
  And then they're just like, oh, I'm a Christian now because God
• 2:02:54
  has forgiven me. Jesus has forgiven me because I
• 2:02:56
  spoke to him from my prison cell where I have been incarcerated
• 2:03:00
  for 20 years because I killed a bunch of people.
• 2:03:04
  But Jesus is cool with that now. Like, come on.
• 2:03:06
  Yeah. Like that's that's.
• 2:03:08
  Yeah. And and.
• 2:03:09
  The thing is, it's also amazing that he's in prison doing this
• 2:03:11
  Christian outreach thing. So he's surrounded by people who
• 2:03:14
  are the same. So they're all just like, yeah,
• 2:03:15
  we're all Christians. We're all Christians.
• 2:03:17
  Jesus forgave us all. I killed 15 children, but Jesus
• 2:03:20
  forgives me. So Linda Kasabian was present as
• 2:03:26
  a lookout the night of the tape murders but was charged with
• 2:03:29
  nothing because she was a star witness for the prosecution, I
• 2:03:33
  think. So there's this series and stuff
• 2:03:34
  that like her, she came from money and her family were very
• 2:03:38
  much just like, listen, like the other way on this one, like paid
• 2:03:43
  off with people. Money buys your way out of a lot
• 2:03:45
  of things in America. Yeah, if you're if you're old
• 2:03:49
  money in particular. Yeah.
• 2:03:51
  Also, is that when the band Kasabian got their name like?
• 2:03:55
  I've never thought about that. Yeah, it's like how Franz
• 2:03:58
  Ferdinand are named after the person whose deaths arguably
• 2:04:01
  started World War One. But to be fair, I would start
• 2:04:04
  World War One overtake me out because it was such a good song.
• 2:04:08
  Like I get what I get why they did it.
• 2:04:11
  And the Archduke Franz Ferdinand was taken out, to be fair.
• 2:04:16
  I love the we've seen that meme of the dog.
• 2:04:18
  It's like the golden retriever and he's in his like his Cape
• 2:04:21
  and his crown and stuff. And it's just like outbreak of
• 2:04:24
  World War One. Everyone's like fucking fighting
• 2:04:26
  for political power. There's like famine, people are
• 2:04:29
  dying and it's like ours took Franz Ferdinand.
• 2:04:32
  He's just being dragged along on his carpet, just like.
• 2:04:36
  Yes. I think I dogs like depicting
• 2:04:41
  historical characters is always great I.
• 2:04:45
  Dress them up in little outfits and all of a sudden, like, you
• 2:04:47
  know, atrocities in the past are kind of cute.
• 2:04:50
  Yeah, so, yeah, So Linda, then she would change her name and
• 2:04:56
  she disappeared, so nobody's. Anything.
• 2:04:59
  Yeah, Bobby Beausoleil is still in prison.
• 2:05:05
  Gatorade. Yeah.
• 2:05:06
  Bobby Bruce Lee is still in prison and is playing NFL in
• 2:05:10
  prison. Yeah, he's the, he's the hot
• 2:05:14
  one. He's hot as well, Bobby.
• 2:05:15
  Bruce Lee was. Just all of these men, you're
• 2:05:17
  just like, oh, they've killed someone, They're so hot.
• 2:05:19
  Are this thing go? Problematic.
• 2:05:21
  I can fix him. Steve Grogan, charged with the
• 2:05:26
  murder of Donald Shea, was granted parole after 15 years
• 2:05:29
  after telling authorities where the body was located.
• 2:05:33
  So that's the the ranch hand. Yeah.
• 2:05:38
  Yeah. So Charles Manson remained
• 2:05:40
  behind bars until he died in prison on November 19th, 2017 at
• 2:05:45
  the age of 83. And you used.
• 2:05:48
  To live such a long fucking life like.
• 2:05:50
  I know I watched so many interviews with this man and he
• 2:05:54
  just kind of talks in circles and says nothing like he he just
• 2:05:58
  rambles and he wasn't a God or a Jesus figure, but he was just an
• 2:06:03
  odd man abandoned by his parents who wanted validation and was
• 2:06:07
  filled with hate. That's the story of Charles
• 2:06:10
  Nance. That's the thing that like, gets
• 2:06:12
  me about that. Like when you watch the
• 2:06:14
  interviews with a man, he's doing that thing where he's
• 2:06:16
  talking in circles and he's he's deliberately, he's deliberately
• 2:06:21
  saying bullshit and he's deliberately just saying things
• 2:06:24
  that like just trace back to the last thing he said.
• 2:06:27
  And you know, he's, he's not trying to, he's not trying to
• 2:06:31
  like paint a picture where like there's a bigger conspiracy
• 2:06:33
  going on. Because you think, like with all
• 2:06:35
  the interviews he was granted over the years, that maybe he
• 2:06:38
  would have said something that made sense, but he always just
• 2:06:41
  saw it as an opportunity to just fuck with people.
• 2:06:44
  Yeah. You know, he never saw it.
• 2:06:46
  He never saw it as an opportunity of like, oh, you
• 2:06:48
  know what? I'm actually going to tell you
• 2:06:49
  what I was up to that time. He'll just, he'll just ramble,
• 2:06:52
  go around in circles. And for him, it was just a joke.
• 2:06:56
  You know, like all of it was funny.
• 2:06:57
  And the fact that like, he became a celebrity, he, like he
• 2:07:00
  loved the attention. Oh yeah, absolutely.
• 2:07:03
  He loved the attention, but then he would just fuck with the
• 2:07:05
  people who paid attention to. Yeah, you know, like there
• 2:07:09
  there's countless books about him, just countless podcasts.
• 2:07:12
  And there's movies, there's TV shows.
• 2:07:15
  And they, I feel like in the movies and TV shows, they try to
• 2:07:18
  like, have this like underlying kind of maniacal, you know, kind
• 2:07:22
  of almost calm energy to him. And I just think that's what
• 2:07:26
  people are trying to project onto him.
• 2:07:28
  I think that he was just completely bananas.
• 2:07:32
  And. Yeah, because he was like a bit
• 2:07:34
  charismatic in his early days. People just latched onto that.
• 2:07:38
  And with, you know, in the 1960s and 70s when like, you know, in
• 2:07:44
  America during like, you know, a Flower Perry era and the the
• 2:07:48
  cult of celebrity was becoming a very big thing via like
• 2:07:51
  Hollywood and music. And then he, he came in at that
• 2:07:55
  time. And so people kind of latched on
• 2:07:57
  to him because they were like, he's a big character, you know,
• 2:08:00
  like, it wasn't that, like, you know, this is a lunatic who
• 2:08:03
  murdered a bunch of people or, you know, inspired people to
• 2:08:06
  kill a lot of people. People were just like, look at
• 2:08:08
  me. He's crazy here.
• 2:08:09
  He is a silly beard. He is a swastika on his head.
• 2:08:11
  He talks in circles. He's nonsense.
• 2:08:13
  And he does all this quirky stuff when he's on camera.
• 2:08:16
  And people, yeah, people were drawn to the celebrity of it.
• 2:08:19
  And he he became a celebrity. And.
• 2:08:23
  You know, was a celebrity in prison until his dying day.
• 2:08:26
  And then, like, you know, when he died, it was like this big
• 2:08:28
  fucking thing. He was like, fuck, Charles
• 2:08:30
  Manson is dead. Yeah.
• 2:08:31
  And, you know, and they're and it's there was other like serial
• 2:08:35
  killers before him and there's been money after.
• 2:08:37
  But I think like he's one of those people in America where it
• 2:08:42
  was like, OK, you know, people were interested in what he did
• 2:08:45
  because the news needed more content.
• 2:08:49
  Newspapers needed more content. And, you know, there was always
• 2:08:52
  a story about him. There was always like a human
• 2:08:54
  interest piece about, you know, like you'd have news stations
• 2:08:57
  who'd be like up, up after the break.
• 2:09:00
  We'll have someone who was in the Manson cult and then got out
• 2:09:03
  before things got weird. And, you know, it was always
• 2:09:05
  just regurgitated into the into the zeitgeist.
• 2:09:09
  Like he was. He was always relevant.
• 2:09:11
  Yeah, yeah. Did I?
• 2:09:13
  Did I talk about Star Manson? Did that get caught off?
• 2:09:19
  I'm not sure that was like his wife when he was.
• 2:09:22
  Yeah, so he like basically married one of his like fangirls
• 2:09:27
  to which he had many, many fangirls, which I'm.
• 2:09:30
  Sure, yeah. Like I think that even I
• 2:09:35
  wouldn't kind of be of that like, although I do.
• 2:09:39
  Have you seen those like? Your love letters to prisoners
• 2:09:41
  go unanswered. Have you locked up with nowhere
• 2:09:47
  to go and still ghosting me? But like, have you seen those,
• 2:09:51
  like, write a prisoner, like pen pal things that they do?
• 2:09:55
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And some of them are fucking
• 2:09:57
  hot. And I'm like, This is why I
• 2:09:58
  haven't met my soul mate. He's currently in prison.
• 2:10:02
  What time do you think he's done?
• 2:10:05
  I think this is going to be terrible, like.
• 2:10:08
  No, like, I genuinely, I think that the only people who were
• 2:10:11
  allowed to like have those that, like, privilege is like smaller
• 2:10:16
  like, yeah, like carrying a gun or like like Grand Theft Auto or
• 2:10:21
  something like. Intention to kill but didn't
• 2:10:23
  follow through on us. Yeah, like nice guys.
• 2:10:26
  I can fix that. I can deal with that like,
• 2:10:28
  that's fine. It's like he was too dumb to pay
• 2:10:31
  tax and now he's doing 4 years for tax evasion.
• 2:10:34
  Yeah. I mean, that's, that's fine for
• 2:10:36
  me. Like, I'm not going to fucking
• 2:10:38
  date somebody, Somebody who has to declare that he lives there,
• 2:10:41
  you know what I mean? To every neighbor.
• 2:10:43
  Like I'm not going to take one of those.
• 2:10:45
  Like I know I know some guys who have done time in prison.
• 2:10:47
  So do you want me to pass on your number?
• 2:10:49
  Yeah, please do. I'll take what I can get at this
• 2:10:53
  point they're. Also incredibly racist, by the
• 2:10:55
  way, just just over here, like, is that a deal breaker?
• 2:10:59
  Because it should be done. OK, Ringo.
• 2:11:04
  How racist are we talking? Ringo star racist.
• 2:11:08
  I'm just saying they shouldn't have the right to vote.
• 2:11:11
  Back of the boss. You can't say Alex Howard or
• 2:11:19
  Scouse accents. Are they absolutely horrendous
• 2:11:21
  and offensive? We do it.
• 2:11:26
  We are The Beatles, the four Beatles from Liverpool.
• 2:11:30
  But yeah, so Starman said. Basically she was visiting him
• 2:11:35
  for like conjugal visits and stuff.
• 2:11:37
  Like anytime she was allowed to she would always bring her
• 2:11:40
  brother with her. Which again is weird.
• 2:11:42
  It's to bring your brother to be like, will you wait here?
• 2:11:44
  I'm going to go fuck this man in the fucking trailer.
• 2:11:48
  How old was she when she got involved with him?
• 2:11:52
  Was he okay? 20s and he was.
• 2:11:54
  Into his 70s it would have been. Of course, of course.
• 2:11:58
  Yeah, like the if you had said any like closer, I would have
• 2:12:01
  been like bullshit. Like.
• 2:12:02
  Yeah. So yeah, she was in her 20's,
• 2:12:04
  the most acute daddy issues known to man that can be seen
• 2:12:07
  from space. And she brings her brother.
• 2:12:11
  Her brother, yeah. So basically her excuse I think
• 2:12:15
  was like she couldn't drive and he was driving her.
• 2:12:19
  So like she. Was too young to drive.
• 2:12:21
  Yeah, probably. I'm 25.
• 2:12:24
  I can't RIP my car yet. But she essentially like
• 2:12:28
  basically like he, Charlie started to get like suspicious
• 2:12:32
  of this brother, like he's just fucking there all the time and
• 2:12:35
  like he just didn't like the guy.
• 2:12:37
  Hey. Man, are you a pop?
• 2:12:39
  You're narc and and then for, for whatever reason, I think she
• 2:12:43
  had to like she went to the bathroom or whatever, she left,
• 2:12:46
  she left the cell and the two of them were alone together
• 2:12:48
  essentially. Charles Lanson, fuck her
• 2:12:50
  brother. Please no.
• 2:12:52
  He literally got him up against the wall with a Shank and
• 2:12:58
  threatened him and got it out of him that he was actually her
• 2:13:01
  boyfriend. And so the plan was basically
• 2:13:05
  she she was going to she was going to marry Matt.
• 2:13:08
  And I love this. We we love a fucking girl boss.
• 2:13:10
  We love a businesswoman, right. This is.
• 2:13:11
  Girl bossing. OK, sure.
• 2:13:13
  Yeah, this is this. Is girl bossing.
• 2:13:14
  She was going to marry Manson, so then when he died, his body
• 2:13:21
  would be released to her and she was going to tour it around the
• 2:13:25
  world like fucking like one of those Catholic Saints that makes
• 2:13:31
  different stops in different churches.
• 2:13:33
  Like like Vladimir Lenin how he is embalmed and on display in a
• 2:13:38
  glass case in in Moscow. Essentially, yeah, but it was
• 2:13:41
  going to be. And Lenin in the same company.
• 2:13:50
  Yeah, it was essentially going to be like one of those Kearney,
• 2:13:52
  like step right up, step right up.
• 2:13:54
  See the body of Charles Memphis that.
• 2:13:56
  Is such an. Idiot.
• 2:13:58
  Idiot. But that is such a crackhead
• 2:14:00
  idea. It's like, yeah, you know, just
• 2:14:02
  like. And then we're going to take his
• 2:14:06
  body and we'll bring him to we'll bring him to Kentucky.
• 2:14:08
  It's. Like we'll bring him.
• 2:14:11
  To work in this strip club, Clarence, my feet are hurting.
• 2:14:16
  I'm tired of this, grandpa. That's just too damn bad.
• 2:14:21
  So, so like when she was in there, like, was she like,
• 2:14:24
  having, like, conjugal visits with him?
• 2:14:26
  So, like, was her boyfriend being like, OK, you're going to
• 2:14:28
  fuck him, but like, but as soon as he dies, profits.
• 2:14:33
  Yeah. Step one.
• 2:14:33
  Step one, Fuck Charles Manson. Step 2.
• 2:14:37
  I don't know. Step 3, profits.
• 2:14:40
  I think that was the plan, Yeah. He was a he was a cook for
• 2:14:43
  Chuck. But yeah, like I just I the mind
• 2:14:48
  like the the like, how do you come up with that is like.
• 2:14:53
  I mean, the parts of America where crack cocaine is
• 2:14:56
  incredibly common, that's where those ideas come from, like.
• 2:15:00
  I like Google her because I think she was a stripper I
• 2:15:04
  think. Like she's going to be a they
• 2:15:07
  always. Are.
• 2:15:08
  It's going to be like a really sad story where she's like a
• 2:15:10
  stripper who. She's.
• 2:15:11
  Dead now or something? And she's probably dead now.
• 2:15:14
  Yeah, she probably, like, you know, tried to marry some other,
• 2:15:17
  you know, serial killer or spree killer like she probably do.
• 2:15:20
  You know what? I bet you found Kyle
• 2:15:21
  Rittenhouse. Oh, she was hot though.
• 2:15:26
  Oh, I'm sure like you. Know original name was so star
• 2:15:32
  refers to Afton Star. Burton is her name, who famously
• 2:15:39
  became engaged to convince convicted cult leader Charles
• 2:15:42
  Mounson in 2014. She was 26 and he was 80.
• 2:15:46
  Like Jesus Christ. Yeah.
• 2:15:49
  These. Yeah, this is definitely like, I
• 2:15:53
  didn't know you when you were in your 20s, but I'm fairly sure
• 2:15:55
  that you were doing this in your 20s and you just don't want to
• 2:15:58
  admit to it. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:15:59
  She's like, right, So I'll just, I'll read.
• 2:16:01
  It's like the, the little overview of, of her on Google.
• 2:16:05
  So Burton first learned about Manson at age 16 and eventually
• 2:16:09
  moved to Corker in California to be near the prison where he was
• 2:16:13
  incarcerated. And Manson was the one who gave
• 2:16:16
  her the nickname *. Oh, I'm sure.
• 2:16:19
  It was like, you know, you're my star.
• 2:16:21
  And she's like, oh, sure, Charlie.
• 2:16:24
  Yeah, In November 2014, they obtained a marriage license.
• 2:16:28
  At the time, Burton stated she wanted to marry him to gain next
• 2:16:31
  of kin rights to advocate for a new trial.
• 2:16:34
  While Manson reportedly viewed the wedding as a publicity
• 2:16:37
  stunt, the marriage never took place.
• 2:16:40
  Reports surfaced alleging that Burton and an associate intended
• 2:16:44
  to preserve Manson's body upon his death and put it on public
• 2:16:47
  display as a tourist attraction, which caused the wedding to be
• 2:16:50
  cancelled. Oh yeah.
• 2:16:52
  Because I'm sure the prison as soon as they were just like, why
• 2:16:54
  is this 26 year old piece of ass coming in here to talk to this
• 2:16:58
  old crazy bastard? And then Hanson just loving the
• 2:17:02
  attentions, like, yeah, it's for, we're going to get so much
• 2:17:05
  press. Like she Rolling Stone covered
• 2:17:10
  it as well, which is really funny.
• 2:17:12
  I'm going to send you the picture of her.
• 2:17:14
  I want to get your blind reaction because she she is fit.
• 2:17:18
  Let's. See.
• 2:17:20
  Of putting it in the group chat. Like our group chat is so
• 2:17:24
  incriminating we're just sharing pictures of women who are cult
• 2:17:29
  leaders. Like what the fuck are we doing?
• 2:17:35
  Oh, she, she's a lot more like wholesome looking, She.
• 2:17:40
  Looks very Christian. She's like girl next door.
• 2:17:43
  You know, I was expect, I was expecting trashy 1980s whore.
• 2:17:51
  And I say that non judgmentally. I say that, like, as a genre
• 2:17:55
  that is a lot of fun, you know, But yeah.
• 2:17:58
  I mean, I do love that genre. She does.
• 2:18:01
  Yeah, exactly. You know, like it's.
• 2:18:02
  But she does look. She looks like Anne Hathaway's
• 2:18:05
  cousin. Cousin Hathaway.
• 2:18:09
  She looks like Cousin Hathaway, but.
• 2:18:13
  I don't know. There's she just be said for it,
• 2:18:16
  Yeah. OK, Danny, on that note, let's
• 2:18:20
  bring this home for Charles Manson.
• 2:18:23
  You can do this when I did the last one.
• 2:18:25
  OK, so that has been Charles Manson.
• 2:18:28
  I have been Justy, she has been Ocean.
• 2:18:31
  I have been Danny. And thank you for listening to
• 2:18:35
  us for a spell. Oh shit, we forgot this episode
• 2:18:39
  was produced by Alex Quinn. Oh, I did.
• 2:18:41
  I told you forgot to give Alex his props.
• 2:18:43
  So Alex, Alex Quinn is our producer.
• 2:18:46
  He's our editor. He is our magic man.
• 2:18:48
  He is the man behind the scenes pulling the strings.
• 2:18:50
  He's our Wizard of Oz. He is our Scouse Wizard of Oz
• 2:18:54
  and he is going to be so mad at us for our Scouse accents in
• 2:18:57
  this so. We do that every episode.
• 2:19:00
  He'll he's, he's fine. He knows.
• 2:19:03
  We will catch you guys next week, same bat time, same bat
• 2:19:06
  channel, talking about something truly awful.
• 2:19:09
  And yes, thank you for hanging with us for a spot.
• 2:19:13
  See. You guys, thank you.