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The emergence of Sam Darnold, Patriots HR with Mike Vrabel, Mailbag · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on everybody, How are we doing?
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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff three and out podcast. Hopefully everyone is doing
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Speaker 1: well out there in the real world, enjoying life. And uh,
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Speaker 1: we'll talk a little football today because Sam Darnold's in
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Speaker 1: keep our head down and keep swinging. But let's dive
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Speaker 1: into some football. Appreciate everyone that listens, that has told
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Speaker 1: been It's been really cool. They keep inviting me back,
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Speaker 1: so we'll keep coming. I do want to start with
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Speaker 1: I think sports, now, like most things in society, becomes
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Speaker 1: polarizing the amount of people that talk about it now,
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Speaker 1: especially football, you can't just have a player and being
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Speaker 1: different on every guy ultimately becomes polarizing, you know, unless
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Speaker 1: you're Patrick Mahomes and you just rattle off Super Bowl victories.
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Speaker 1: We nitpick Lamar, we nitpick Josh Allen me he's part
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Speaker 1: of the gig right. And I think football has been
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Speaker 1: driven I mean really my entire life, but definitely of
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Speaker 1: the Internet age. By the superstar quarterbacks. And I've said
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Speaker 1: for a long time that Manning and Brady are the
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Speaker 1: magic and Bird of my life their importance to this sport.
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Speaker 1: They were two of the driving forces that helped take
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Speaker 1: the popularity to the next level over the explosion of
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Speaker 1: the television ratings and the TV boom of the last
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Speaker 1: twenty plus years. They are the two most famous players
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Speaker 1: right there with Aaron Rodgers. Actually I don't even know
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Speaker 1: he wouldn't be Michael Jordan, but he played a role
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Speaker 1: in that as well. And football is full of superstar quarterbacks,
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Speaker 1: right the famous no doubt about it, Hall of famers
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Speaker 1: to guys like Josh and Lamar who have not won,
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Speaker 1: who haven't even been to Super Bowl. But we all
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Speaker 1: acknowledge MVP level players all time, great talents, no doubt
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Speaker 1: about its stars, and it's very rare that we just
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Speaker 1: get a genuine story. I mean, even think about the
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Speaker 1: two guys that have been to Super Bowls the last
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Speaker 1: couple of years. In the NFC, Jalen Hurts pretty polarizing player.
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Speaker 1: Instead of just being a great story second round pick,
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Speaker 1: most people like myself thought he was never gonna last
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Speaker 1: in the NFL. Has been to multiple Super Bowls, has
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Speaker 1: played well in those games. Obviously one one makes a
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Speaker 1: ton of money, like is a no doubt about it
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Speaker 1: success story. Yet he's probably one of the most polarizing
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Speaker 1: guys in the league. Purty was the last pick in
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Speaker 1: the draft. They throw a party for the slot in
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Speaker 1: which he was drafted. It's called Mister Irrelevant down in
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Speaker 1: southern California. And he's gone on again to be an
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Speaker 1: incredible full time starter, massive contract, ton of wins, has
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Speaker 1: won playoff games, just was a quarterback for a massive
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Speaker 1: underdog on the road against the Eagles, a team that
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Speaker 1: had way more talent than his team. Yet we're constantly
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Speaker 1: going back and forth on these guys. Yet there's something
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Speaker 1: just kind of pure about Sam Donald because typically even
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Speaker 1: Purdy and Jalen hurts like they're on the teams that
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Speaker 1: drafted them. They became starters immediately in their young careers
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Speaker 1: and never relinquished the spot. Obviously, the Allens, the Lamars,
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Speaker 1: the Mahomes became superstars pretty quickly, and then the all
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Speaker 1: time great guys like Peyton Manning was the number one
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Speaker 1: overall pick and within a couple of years was clearly
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Speaker 1: one of the best players in the league. Tom Brady
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Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl in two years into his career. Right.
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Speaker 1: Roethlisberger was in the Super Bowl two years into his career. Right.
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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, within a couple of years of starting, was
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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl champ for the Green Bay Packers and
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Speaker 1: replaced Brett Farv. The Sam Donald thing is not normal. Well,
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Speaker 1: he was drafted and the Jets, if you remember, drafted
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Speaker 1: from six. They were at six, they traded up to three.
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Speaker 1: Well before the draft, they didn't even know who they
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Speaker 1: were gonna take. I think they gave like three second
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Speaker 1: round picks. Turns out they drafted a very talented player.
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Speaker 1: Just when you go to the Jets, as Aaron Glenn's
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Speaker 1: figuring out, everyone fails and everyone gets fired and there's
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Speaker 1: a stink that gets put on you that's hard to shake.
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Speaker 1: But let's face it, he goes to Carolina. Weird situation there.
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Speaker 1: They end up bringing in Baker Mayfield and then has
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Speaker 1: to reset his career like most of the top guys
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Speaker 1: like he just played Matt Stafford. Matt Stafford's been a
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Speaker 1: starter from the moment he got into the NFL. Now,
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Speaker 1: he earned way more credibility once he left the Lions,
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Speaker 1: but anyone worth their salt realized he was an elite talent,
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Speaker 1: and no one ever thought like, I just think he's
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Speaker 1: gotta be a backup for a year. Sam Darnald took
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Speaker 1: one year, like three million dollars to go to San
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Speaker 1: Francisco and be technically he was competing with Trey Lance
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Speaker 1: for the backup job, but that was never the case.
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Speaker 1: And I think it's very very rare, right the Trent Dilfers,
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Speaker 1: the Brad Johnson's, like no one ever thought those guys
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Speaker 1: were good. Arnold was once annoyed as like the savior
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Speaker 1: of the Jets, and then he had to go kind
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Speaker 1: of eat it and be a backup quarterback. And even
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Speaker 1: last year when he signed his one year, ten million
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Speaker 1: dollar contract, the moment they signed JJ McCarthy or excuse me,
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Speaker 1: drafted him, I would imagine early on in August, especially
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Speaker 1: when JJ was playing well in the in the preseason
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Speaker 1: games before he got injured, people like, let's just start
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Speaker 1: the kid, Caleb, startin Jayden, startin Drake. May. I guess
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Speaker 1: he didn't start right away, but like most people and
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Speaker 1: I agree with him, like just start the rookie. You
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Speaker 1: learn by doing in this world, so to put him
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Speaker 1: out on the field, and then Sam got to play
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Speaker 1: and never relinquished it. But let's face it, even based
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Speaker 1: on last year, it's like, well, yeah, justin Jefferson, he
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Speaker 1: had Kevin O'Connell, he had Jordan Addison. Everyone made excuses,
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Speaker 1: and then this year it's like, wow, he's got the
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Speaker 1: number one defense. You throw for three hundred and forty
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Speaker 1: yards in an NFC Championship game against Matt Stafford, pookin
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Speaker 1: Nakou and Devonte Adams and leave them in tears after
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Speaker 1: the game, Like, no one can say shit. And the
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Speaker 1: one thing I would say in a league where everyone
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Speaker 1: eventually bad mouse someone else's it's hard not to have
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Speaker 1: someone say something bad about you. Tell me the last
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Speaker 1: time you heard anything negatively said about Sam Darnald. I
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Speaker 1: can't remember, and I know a lot of people in
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Speaker 1: the league. I have never heard anything negative surrounding his name.
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Speaker 1: Well he can pound, well he can be a down.
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Speaker 1: I heard someone mentioned something the other day. I got
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Speaker 1: a lot of buddies interviewing for these GM jobs throughout
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Speaker 1: the NFL, and we were talking about a specific player
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Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, you know, some of the rumors
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Speaker 1: going around on him. Aren't quite as flattering as the
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Speaker 1: uh as the media narrative surrounding him, like, oh didn't
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Speaker 1: know that. That's never been said about Sam Donald, super
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Speaker 1: high character, great guy. I mean one of his best
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Speaker 1: friends in the league is Josh Allen because they came
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Speaker 1: out the same year. Think about that. Imagine befriending a
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Speaker 1: guy in your draft class. He goes on to be
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Speaker 1: not just one of the faces of the league, but
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Speaker 1: clearly one of the most important guys in the business
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Speaker 1: of the National Football League in Josh Allen. He's a
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Speaker 1: poster child for the league. He's talked about constantly around
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Speaker 1: the league. He's playing in the league's biggest games. In
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Speaker 1: your career just flounders. You just become, I don't want
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Speaker 1: to say, a laughing stock, but someone that no one
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Speaker 1: took seriously, fair or not. And even in your moment
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Speaker 1: of success in twenty twenty four, people go, well, look
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Speaker 1: at the way it ended. Finally had some big games,
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Speaker 1: couldn't get it done. And I'm probably guilty of that too.
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Speaker 1: I ran into him last year in the Super Bowl
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Speaker 1: in New Orleans. We stayed at the same hotel and
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Speaker 1: I just went up to him I think he was there.
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Speaker 1: It might be his now wife fiance. I said, man,
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Speaker 1: that was congrats on the year. Not that you need
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Speaker 1: to hear from, but I just thought, like, what a
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Speaker 1: fucking awesome comeback story. He's like, I really appreciate that, man.
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Speaker 1: And I saw him a couple more times. Jared Goff
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Speaker 1: and all these guys are buddies, and I was just thinking, like,
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Speaker 1: we don't get many of these stories because typically when
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Speaker 1: your career gets railed in the NFL, it's hard to
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Speaker 1: battle back at quarterback at other positions, that happens all
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Speaker 1: the time, but typically you get thrust in you're just
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Speaker 1: a backup Mariota Jamis. You see a lot of high
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Speaker 1: picks stay in the league for a long time, but
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Speaker 1: they don't go on to be like, Yeah, this guy's
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Speaker 1: gonna be started for a long time, and he's favored
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Speaker 1: to win the Super Bowl and no one would be
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Speaker 1: shocked if he throws for like three hundred yards at
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Speaker 1: Levi Stadium here in a couple of weeks. And I
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Speaker 1: don't think we get enough about just kind of genuine
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Speaker 1: good stories anymore. And there's something just I don't know
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Speaker 1: pure about the Sam Darnold situation because we've seen this
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Speaker 1: time and time again. Guy gets drafted high, failed, kind
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Speaker 1: of doesn't become that relevant the rest of his career.
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Speaker 1: It's very very rare that we just see a guy
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Speaker 1: gets drafted high, bounces around, becomes a backup for no money.
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Speaker 1: A couple of years later, he is a key coog
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Speaker 1: in a team that's going to the super Bowl for
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Speaker 1: the first time in a decade plus, and most people,
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Speaker 1: I would imagine, by the time the game comes around,
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Speaker 1: will pick Seattle. And part of it's gonna be the
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Speaker 1: confidence that you have in the quarterback after what you
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Speaker 1: just saw him do against the Los Angeles Rams and
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Speaker 1: the biggest game of his career three hundred and forty yards,
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Speaker 1: three touchdowns. Honestly, didn't make any bad decisions in that game.
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Speaker 1: Played smart, even if sacks were smart, like just hold
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Speaker 1: the ball, go to the ground. C J. Stroud could
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Speaker 1: take some notes and we all get better, Like you
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Speaker 1: learn a lot about yourself. Anyone listening can relate. Some
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Speaker 1: ours are public, right if you're in a profession like
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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold's, Most of ours are not. No one knows
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Speaker 1: New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia, and speaking of relationships, Mike Vrabel,
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Speaker 1: hiring a coach and hiring a GM is like picking
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Speaker 1: players and inexact science. No one has any clue who's
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Speaker 1: gonna be good and who's gonna be bad. They just
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Speaker 1: don't Same thing with coaches, same thing with players. But
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Speaker 1: when you get a coach and it's clear the guy
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Speaker 1: is good, it's on you to go through a rough
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Speaker 1: year or two because it's inevitable in football. Most people
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Speaker 1: are not just gonna be Belichick and Brady and over
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Speaker 1: a twenty year span missed the playoffs two times in
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Speaker 1: eighteen years. That's not normal. You might have a year
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Speaker 1: of people get injured and you win seven games. You
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Speaker 1: might have back to back years where you win thirteen
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Speaker 1: or fourteen games. Welcome to football. Andy Reid had just
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Speaker 1: been to five of six Super Bowls, just went six
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Speaker 1: and eleven. Kyle Shanahan last year went six and eleven.
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Speaker 1: It comes with the territory. This sport is very, very difficult.
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Speaker 1: Everyone's gunning for you twenty four to seven, three sixty five.
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Speaker 1: That's if you're bad, let alone if you're good, and
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Speaker 1: then everyone's thinking about you, game planning and drafting, trying
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Speaker 1: to stop you. So Mike Vrabel, who hit the scene
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Speaker 1: in Tennessee and immediately had success, started winning right away.
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Speaker 1: Within a couple of years of winning playoff games, eventually
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Speaker 1: became the number one seed. He didn't do that with
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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen. He did that with Ryan Tanneil,
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Speaker 1: who is like a poor man's Alex Smith. So what
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Speaker 1: he accomplished was awesome. Then he hit a roughspatch one
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Speaker 1: seven games, won six games, and the owner immediately fired him.
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Speaker 1: And a huge reason was, Wow, he wasn't a nice guy. Wow,
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Speaker 1: this isn't a profession full of nice guys. You kind
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Speaker 1: of need some assholes. In a perfect world, everyone would
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Speaker 1: sing kumbayad, be friends and hold hands. But that's not
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Speaker 1: this world football. It's contentious. People are angry, people don't
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Speaker 1: really sleep. Mike McDonald just admitted he sees his young
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Speaker 1: son thirty minutes to an hour during the work week,
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Speaker 1: and he wasn't asking for sympathy or trying to throw
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Speaker 1: a pity party. He was just simply saying, is I
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Speaker 1: work a lot? I don't get to see my young
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Speaker 1: son really at all. I make time on a Thursday
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Speaker 1: to get home early to see him for an hour.
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Speaker 1: This profession is not normal. People on Wall Street can't
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Speaker 1: relate these hours, never ever relent. It's just weak after
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Speaker 1: week after week. As someone once described Bill Belichick to me,
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Speaker 1: there is a football marathon and the treadmill starts late
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Speaker 1: July and the speed never stops. And guys like Belichick
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Speaker 1: and Saban was like this never breakstride until it ends.
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Speaker 1: And obviously college is different than the pros. The pros
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Speaker 1: don't really end till the draft, and even then you
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Speaker 1: immediately go into rookie minni camp and OTAs it's nine
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Speaker 1: ten months straight and during those five plus months of
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Speaker 1: the season, it's fucking insane. I've lived it, I've seen it,
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Speaker 1: and I can't imagine going back. And the respect and
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Speaker 1: admiration I have for people that are able to do
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Speaker 1: it for decades upon decades in the grind. His coaches
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Speaker 1: are nuts. They are honestly a little nutty upstairs. That's
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Speaker 1: what it takes to do this job, just like I
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Speaker 1: would imagine most successful people and competitive industries aren't normal.
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Speaker 1: It's why they separate from the pack. But a football
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Speaker 1: coach really for two things, right, mental stamina and the
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Speaker 1: grind of a season, but also the ability to lead,
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Speaker 1: to tell people things they don't want to hear. It's
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Speaker 1: just a natural argumentative position. You're gonna be in arguments
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Speaker 1: on a daily basis that there is no avoiding confrontation,
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Speaker 1: and most good organizations would tend to gravitate saying there's
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Speaker 1: no growth without any confrontation. We're trying to grow and
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Speaker 1: get better. And Mike Rabel, of course, he's a confrontational
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Speaker 1: guy because he's a football guy and it comes with
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Speaker 1: the territory. Some people like Pete Carroll or Andy Reid
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Speaker 1: can do it more with a smile on their face,
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Speaker 1: and some people like Belichick, Sean Payton, Kyle Shanahan are
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Speaker 1: much more grumpy. But there is no disputing they're all
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Speaker 1: taking the same tactics of seeing problems, attacking problems, and
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Speaker 1: pissing people off on a daily basis. So when the
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Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans fired Mike Rabel, they prove they have no
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Speaker 1: clue what they're looking for, because everyone with an ounce
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Speaker 1: of common sense went, you're never gonna do better in this.
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Speaker 1: This is as good as a guess. And he's a really,
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Speaker 1: really high level coach. Part of the reason you're falling
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Speaker 1: apart a little bit. You made a financial decision on
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Speaker 1: aj Brown, which obviously backfired. But your quarterback position is
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Speaker 1: not set and you need to figure that out. And
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Speaker 1: they were not willing to let Mike Rabel figure that out.
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Speaker 1: And I think, as we look back a couple of years,
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Speaker 1: that was clearly a mistake, and that, to me is
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Speaker 1: a direct reflection of Amy Adams, who fired him, and
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Speaker 1: all the stories came out, well he wasn't nice enough
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Speaker 1: to her? Well, how's it going? Have people have been
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Speaker 1: nice to you the last couple of years? Is that fun?
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Speaker 1: Is that a good world to live in as the
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Speaker 1: owner of a football team and everyone smiles at you
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Speaker 1: and pretends to like you while you get the shit
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Speaker 1: kicked out of you on a weekly basis? Is Mike
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Speaker 1: Rabel perfect? No? Is he? You know Bill Walsh? Probably not?
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Speaker 1: But is he freaking really good at his job? And
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Speaker 1: the chance is, like Robert saw a nice guy, good
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Speaker 1: football coach. The chances he's ever as good as Mike
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Speaker 1: Vrabel slim the nun. And I just think, when you
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Speaker 1: look back, if you're a Titans fan, you go, what
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Speaker 1: the hell just happened? I think, if we look back,
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Speaker 1: how did Mike Vrabel take a year off coaching? How
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Speaker 1: are there not teams throwing bags of money at him?
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Speaker 1: Last season? New England Patriot fans should be very, very
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Speaker 1: grateful that this whole situation played out the way it did.
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Speaker 1: The guy was just available. He just took the year
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Speaker 1: off and coached a little on the side with Stefanski
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Speaker 1: and the Cleveland Browns in an off year, and then
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Speaker 1: you immediately get him in a year later. You know,
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Speaker 1: you hire him in January, and then by the following January,
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Speaker 1: you're in the freaking Super Bowl. Even if you were
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Speaker 1: high on the Patriots, which most people were, because we
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Speaker 1: thought they were gonna be competitive with a good coaching
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Speaker 1: staff in an easy schedule. Ten wins, not this many wins,
18:56
Speaker 1: not the number two overall seed, not the Super Bowl,
18:59
Speaker 1: or not the AFC champions. So props to Mike Vrabel.
19:04
Speaker 1: What a badass the Eagles offensive coordinator job. I don't
19:08
Speaker 1: ever remember a job that was just so boom or bust,
19:12
Speaker 1: like we have four years of evidence. You can either
19:16
Speaker 1: excel in this job you become a head coach Shane
19:19
Speaker 1: Sich and Kellen Moore, or you don't have success in
19:23
Speaker 1: this job and you immediately get fired and you're not
19:25
Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator like typically. And I've said this story before,
19:29
Speaker 1: but I had a coordinator tell me one time that
19:32
Speaker 1: the reason people jump at quote unquote bad jobs is
19:35
Speaker 1: because once your name gets in the cycle, you just
19:38
Speaker 1: become an offensive coordinator. Bobby Slowick, right, he took the
19:42
Speaker 1: Texans job, gets fired, Boom, just offensive coordinator again with
19:45
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins. And once you get in that rotation
19:48
Speaker 1: people view you as a coordinator. You just stay coordinators
19:53
Speaker 1: at different spots. Right. Brandon Saley's a good example. Might
19:56
Speaker 1: never be a head coach again, but he'll just be
19:58
Speaker 1: a coordinator wherever he wants. And those jobs pay millions
20:02
Speaker 1: of dollars. It's why a lot of position coaches take
20:05
Speaker 1: the opportunities like I don't think that's a good defensive
20:07
Speaker 1: coordinator job. Well, if people start viewing me as a
20:10
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, even if I get fired, someone else will
20:13
Speaker 1: hire me as a defensive coordinator. And with the Eagles job,
20:16
Speaker 1: that's not necessarily true because I look, Brian Johnson, their
20:21
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator from a couple of years ago, is an
20:23
Speaker 1: assistant coach with the Washington Commanders, where obviously Cliff has
20:27
Speaker 1: been the coordinator the last several years, and they just
20:32
Speaker 1: I think they already hired an offensive coordinator young guy,
20:35
Speaker 1: so he's not even their offensive coordinator there, Kevin Petula.
20:39
Speaker 1: I think we all agree will one hundred percent not
20:42
Speaker 1: be calling plays for any team in the NFL in
20:45
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. So if it goes wrong, your career
20:51
Speaker 1: kind of gets derailed a little bit. And when you
20:54
Speaker 1: get your first opportunity, like you're actually better off taking
20:57
Speaker 1: a job that's a little under the radar than this job,
21:00
Speaker 1: unless you believe in your skills and you know that
21:03
Speaker 1: you can get a junt because the pressure on this gig.
21:06
Speaker 1: There might not be a coordinator job in the NFL
21:10
Speaker 1: that is under a bigger magnifying glass, especially given how
21:14
Speaker 1: the guy's coming in this year, because you're replacing a
21:18
Speaker 1: guy that was really shitty, so the bars a little lower.
21:21
Speaker 1: But if you don't have success, you will get fired immediately.
21:24
Speaker 1: And they just interviewed I saw Charlie Weiss Junior, who
21:28
Speaker 1: is Lane's right hand guy, who like they're on the
21:30
Speaker 1: right people that they wanted, Mike McDaniel, they're talking to
21:33
Speaker 1: all the right guys. I just wonder if a lot
21:36
Speaker 1: of people are weighing their options and go, this is
21:38
Speaker 1: a pretty big risk. This is a pretty big risk,
21:41
Speaker 1: and if it goes well, obviously adjolts me. If it doesn't,
21:45
Speaker 1: can it derail the momentum that I might have. And
21:49
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated to see who they're gonna end up hiring.
21:51
Speaker 1: And I would imagine it's been a little more difficult
21:54
Speaker 1: for them to get someone to jump in the boat
21:58
Speaker 1: then they had a originally imagine needed imagined it would
22:01
Speaker 1: be okay before we dive into the the middle cooff mailbag.
22:10
Speaker 1: You know, when you don't sleep that much, your brain
22:12
Speaker 1: pistons just don't fire at the same speed. Now, one
22:16
Speaker 1: thing that's been pretty clear in the ten plus days
22:20
Speaker 1: since he's been at home. You just don't sleep that much.
22:23
Speaker 1: And even when you sleep, your sleep is not like
22:27
Speaker 1: it was pre children. Most of you can relate anyone
22:30
Speaker 1: with young children, and I think as your kids get older,
22:33
Speaker 1: you probably forget about that a little bit. It's just
22:37
Speaker 1: nature of life, right, You remember the good, you don't
22:41
Speaker 1: focus as much on the bad. Clearly, we probably don't
22:44
Speaker 1: need as much sleep, at least just to basic functions
22:48
Speaker 1: of life. But I'm someone that I struggled to get
22:52
Speaker 1: by with four or five hours. So even last night
22:54
Speaker 1: she's like, well you got six or seven. I let
22:56
Speaker 1: you sleep through the night because I was doing with
22:59
Speaker 1: him up until about midnight, but starting at about one
23:02
Speaker 1: o'clock till let's say seven thirty in the morning, I'm
23:06
Speaker 1: still waking up periodically. You're hearing him cry, you're hearing
23:08
Speaker 1: him change. The sleep is just it's really really hard,
23:12
Speaker 1: very hard on her that there's no disputing that. But
23:16
Speaker 1: you just chug along. You just keep swinging your pick
23:18
Speaker 1: and you just take it day by day and you're like, way,
23:20
Speaker 1: eventually we'll be out of this face. But one thing
23:23
Speaker 1: is we bought a bunch of these books, these black
23:26
Speaker 1: and white books that just are like animal books or
23:30
Speaker 1: you know what's in the sea, just basic like this
23:33
Speaker 1: is a fish, this is a shark, this is a dolphin.
23:36
Speaker 1: So I took one of these little books. They're like
23:38
Speaker 1: little squares, probably like three by three inches or something,
23:41
Speaker 1: and they're black and white. And I'm just sitting there.
23:43
Speaker 1: He's kind of on my arm lap and I'm just
23:46
Speaker 1: reading him the book this is a dolphin, this is
23:52
Speaker 1: a shark, and I'm I'm looking at the book and
23:55
Speaker 1: he's just kind of staring off into space, and she's like,
23:59
Speaker 1: do you know that you have to put that book
24:02
Speaker 1: in front of him like, what do you mean. She's like,
24:05
Speaker 1: it's color coded in black and white white. For a reason,
24:09
Speaker 1: babies are color blind. All they can see is black
24:11
Speaker 1: and white. And when you look, when you put the
24:13
Speaker 1: book close to his eyes, you'll see he will, you know,
24:18
Speaker 1: lock in and he will look at the different colors
24:21
Speaker 1: and kind of go around you. Just reading this is
24:24
Speaker 1: a cow moo moo moo. Isn't really doing anything if
24:30
Speaker 1: you're not showing him the picture. I'm like, I gotta
24:34
Speaker 1: be honest, I did not know that. So I was
24:37
Speaker 1: just reading this little book about pigs and owls, just
24:41
Speaker 1: out loud, like he can understand what's going on when
24:44
Speaker 1: the whole point of the exercise is to put the
24:48
Speaker 1: color coding of the black and white in front of
24:50
Speaker 1: his eyes so he can. I don't even know what
24:55
Speaker 1: it's considered, but you know, latch on intellectually, I guess,
25:01
Speaker 1: and try to grow his brain because if you see,
25:03
Speaker 1: like those things that you lay them on, with the
25:05
Speaker 1: things hanging above them, they're all in black and white
25:07
Speaker 1: as well, because that at ten twenty days old, that's
25:10
Speaker 1: what he sees. Instead of me just reading this book
25:13
Speaker 1: out loud to essentially myself, well, he sits there like,
25:16
Speaker 1: what are you even talking about? So you learn something
25:20
Speaker 1: new every day, and that was a pretty embarrassing moment
25:23
Speaker 1: because I thought, God, these books, what's the point of them?
25:27
Speaker 1: But makes a lot more sense when you realize the
25:29
Speaker 1: color coding is really is what it's there for. And
25:34
Speaker 1: then eventually you start putting the word cow with the
25:38
Speaker 1: shape cow or pig with the shape pig. Kind of
25:41
Speaker 1: makes some sense. So anyone that didn't know that, if
25:44
Speaker 1: you're getting about to have a baby and you get
25:45
Speaker 1: those little black and white books, make sure you show
25:48
Speaker 1: the baby the pages as you read them to him
25:52
Speaker 1: or her. Okay, let's go to the little mailbag at
26:08
Speaker 1: John middlecoff At John middle Coffe is the Instagram firre
26:10
Speaker 1: and those dms get your questions answer here on the show,
26:14
Speaker 1: we will start with Josh quick background. I'm born and
26:18
Speaker 1: raised in South Florida. Got my BA from the Gators
26:23
Speaker 1: University of Florida and my MS from A and M.
26:26
Speaker 1: Lived in College Station for a couple of years. Well
26:28
Speaker 1: educated man. I grew up a Steeler fan because family,
26:31
Speaker 1: but I've got zero actual ties to Pittsburgh and have
26:34
Speaker 1: never been there. The McCarthy hired today was honestly the
26:38
Speaker 1: last straw. This team refuses to change or adapt. I
26:41
Speaker 1: can't do it anymore. I'm officially done being a Steelers
26:44
Speaker 1: fan and trying to decide between the Texans or the Bucks.
26:48
Speaker 1: Curious what your honest thoughts are. Well, we had someone
26:53
Speaker 1: pre Netflix, so this probably would have been a year ago.
26:57
Speaker 1: It was either at the end of Belichick was drowd
27:00
Speaker 1: Mayo when they asked if it was okay to leave
27:03
Speaker 1: the franchise, if you could drop the Patriots. I think
27:05
Speaker 1: the guy was like thirty years old. It's like, bro,
27:08
Speaker 1: you just from twelve years old or essentially, I guess
27:14
Speaker 1: it would have been eighteen plus years after you were
27:18
Speaker 1: like eleven or twelve. You saw the greatest run in
27:21
Speaker 1: the history of sports in the prime of your sports
27:23
Speaker 1: loving kind of life. It doesn't get any more pure
27:27
Speaker 1: when you're in your teams of just pure love of
27:29
Speaker 1: football and your team was just rattling off Super Bowls.
27:32
Speaker 1: You don't get to leave the Patriots, especially this guy
27:35
Speaker 1: was from Boston. In your situation, I'm more open to
27:39
Speaker 1: the conversation of if you just get like part of
27:43
Speaker 1: the sport team, the teams that I grew up loving
27:45
Speaker 1: were teams that I grew up around. If you get
27:48
Speaker 1: your teams from family, I don't know if I'm as
27:53
Speaker 1: strict on that rule. And if you don't want to
27:55
Speaker 1: like the Steelers anymore just because your dad and grandpa
27:58
Speaker 1: like them and you have no ties to I don't
28:00
Speaker 1: think it's that crazy. And clearly, if it's strong enough
28:05
Speaker 1: the bond between that team, it'll never truly leave you.
28:09
Speaker 1: It won't. But if it's not, then just I don't know.
28:13
Speaker 1: I think the Texans with Demiko and Nick Cassario are
28:16
Speaker 1: well run and not going away anytime soon. I think
28:18
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steeler thing, I will say this, I think
28:21
Speaker 1: the McCarthy hire is better than you're giving it credit for.
28:24
Speaker 1: But nothing is gonna change. You guys are just gonna
28:27
Speaker 1: do the same thing over and over again and get
28:28
Speaker 1: no closer to beating any of the top teams. I
28:31
Speaker 1: would agree there, and it becomes a pretty frustrating exercise.
28:35
Speaker 1: So I'm not against dropping a team. Like if you
28:40
Speaker 1: tell me, hey, I'm thirty five years old, I'm a
28:42
Speaker 1: Jets fan. I can't do this anymore. What am I
28:43
Speaker 1: gonna say? Like stick with it? Like you're fucking out
28:46
Speaker 1: of your mind. I wouldn't waste my energy watching that operation.
28:50
Speaker 1: The Steelers like you've had it pretty good. I take
28:53
Speaker 1: it your in your twenties most of your life, they've
28:57
Speaker 1: been really competitive. You haven't seen him lose. But it
29:01
Speaker 1: is frustrating to think, like, are we starting to trend
29:03
Speaker 1: the wrong way? And is this not going to be fun?
29:06
Speaker 1: But I actually think the McCarthy hire. The problem is
29:09
Speaker 1: you're probably more likely to win nine or ten games
29:11
Speaker 1: next year than you are three games, which would be
29:14
Speaker 1: the best thing for the health of the franchise big picture.
29:17
Speaker 1: So I believe if you're born there and you grew
29:22
Speaker 1: up rooting for him and you're just mad at them,
29:25
Speaker 1: like they're kind of with you for life. But in
29:27
Speaker 1: your situation, I would just start loosely dating, be like, hey,
29:31
Speaker 1: I'm still married, but we're living separately and we're okay
29:35
Speaker 1: to date. I'm allowed to go on a date, Like
29:39
Speaker 1: start either pick Tampa or pick Houston, and just see
29:42
Speaker 1: how it goes, and maybe you'll feel it's not quite
29:45
Speaker 1: as strong of a connection as you thought, and you'll
29:47
Speaker 1: gravitate back toward Pittsburgh. But I think you're in a
29:49
Speaker 1: position where you should be allowed to date other people
29:54
Speaker 1: if you are just there by family connection. As many
29:59
Speaker 1: teams are secure and looking for head coaches do some
30:01
Speaker 1: teams have quote a bridge head coach mentality like they
30:05
Speaker 1: can with quarterbacks. I'm sure it has happened. The Raiders
30:11
Speaker 1: just did that with Pete Carroll. But a lot like
30:14
Speaker 1: a quarterback, there is no guarantee with the bridge. It
30:17
Speaker 1: can completely blow up in your face. So I would
30:21
Speaker 1: say that most teams are trying to find the best
30:28
Speaker 1: head coach they possibly can that they can win with
30:30
Speaker 1: relatively quickly. And if you look at most of the hires,
30:34
Speaker 1: like the Steel's hired Mike McCarthy because they're trying to win.
30:36
Speaker 1: The Giants hired John Harbuck because they thought he was
30:38
Speaker 1: the best coach. Atlanta thought that Kevin Stefanski is like
30:40
Speaker 1: a star in Cleveland Fuckton, right, they think they got
30:44
Speaker 1: a gem in Jeff Hafley, the Browns and the Cardinals
30:47
Speaker 1: who knows, but you know, Ben Johnson, Mike Vrabel, most
30:50
Speaker 1: of the Liam Cohen. Most of these teams are hiring
30:52
Speaker 1: guys thinking they can be really good, So I would
30:55
Speaker 1: say it's pretty rare. The bridge quarterback is way more
31:01
Speaker 1: of a thing than the bridge coach. The Texans did
31:04
Speaker 1: it for a couple of years because no one would
31:06
Speaker 1: take their job. The Browns might have to do it
31:08
Speaker 1: because no one will take their job. Like the Browns
31:10
Speaker 1: could probably hire Pee Carroll fresh new dad like yourself.
31:18
Speaker 1: My big boy is Dominic already getting nicknamed Big dom
31:21
Speaker 1: by Eagles fans. Hang in there, I feel you. On
31:24
Speaker 1: the first couple of weeks, by a month, it gets easier,
31:26
Speaker 1: sort of, Saints fan. Just curious if you think Shuck
31:31
Speaker 1: and More can get us to the playoffs in the
31:33
Speaker 1: next couple of years. It's funny, like I on the
31:37
Speaker 1: kid thing, you just can't. It's gonna get easier. Think
31:39
Speaker 1: of the millions upon millions upon millions of people who
31:43
Speaker 1: have had children and raised children. Now we could argue
31:46
Speaker 1: how good they were raising the children, but still people
31:49
Speaker 1: have done it. So it's like everyone's gone through this,
31:53
Speaker 1: or most people in society at one point time in
31:56
Speaker 1: the history of this world have done it. Every time
31:58
Speaker 1: I want to get mad or complaints like, can't be
32:01
Speaker 1: that hard? A lot of fucking people that can barely
32:04
Speaker 1: walk across the street have raise a child. Again, can
32:07
Speaker 1: we could argue how well they did, but they've still
32:10
Speaker 1: done it. They've kept them alive, which is clearly your
32:12
Speaker 1: number one goal, keep them alive and feed them. It's
32:14
Speaker 1: pretty basic. At first, I would say on the Saints,
32:22
Speaker 1: you would think the Bucks will be better, right that
32:25
Speaker 1: they would they lose seven in their last eight Atlanta.
32:32
Speaker 1: They do have a lot of talent on their team.
32:33
Speaker 1: Who's their quarterback? Carolina is clearly pretty feisty. If they
32:39
Speaker 1: get better at defense, because offensively they're not bad. It's
32:43
Speaker 1: not easy like that. That division actually, in a weird
32:46
Speaker 1: way for a team that just won it at eight
32:49
Speaker 1: to nine should be way more competitive in twenty twenty six.
32:55
Speaker 1: Usually when you have a team that goes under five
32:57
Speaker 1: hundred like that division is a joke technically not that bad.
33:00
Speaker 1: A lot of good players, a lot of competent coaches,
33:06
Speaker 1: a lot of explosive, high end playmakers. So you probably,
33:10
Speaker 1: my guest is sitting here on January twenty sixth, you
33:13
Speaker 1: gotta win ten games to win the division, so more
33:16
Speaker 1: than likely to make the playoffs, you have to win
33:17
Speaker 1: the division and go ten and seven. What's up, baby daddy? Male?
33:24
Speaker 1: Bad question? Would the Eagles be better off hiring an
33:27
Speaker 1: adult CEO? Like Sala to run their team. The players
33:30
Speaker 1: hate each other, and the offense just failed to score
33:32
Speaker 1: twenty on the Niners practice squad. Obviously, they've had past success,
33:36
Speaker 1: but if Sirianni is a CEO and their culture is broken,
33:39
Speaker 1: why keep them? I don't know if their culture is broken.
33:44
Speaker 1: I think a mistake they made is the Aj brown saga.
33:49
Speaker 1: They wanted to have their cake and eat the entire
33:52
Speaker 1: thing too, and it was clearly off with him in Jalen,
33:56
Speaker 1: and they could have traded him at the trade deadline,
33:58
Speaker 1: and they chose not to because, in fairness to them,
34:01
Speaker 1: they wanted to win another Super Bowl and they were
34:04
Speaker 1: better off winning the Super Bowl or giving themselves a
34:07
Speaker 1: chance in their minds with Aj on the team than
34:10
Speaker 1: trading him and having a second rounder for AJ. Right.
34:14
Speaker 1: I wonder if we look back, they would have been
34:16
Speaker 1: better off just separating that situation. I mean, you couldn't
34:19
Speaker 1: watch a game without his commercial coming on, which essentially
34:24
Speaker 1: felt like he was talking right to Jalen. It's okay,
34:26
Speaker 1: people don't like each other. I never understood when Brandon
34:29
Speaker 1: Graham came out why they tried to backtrack it. We
34:31
Speaker 1: don't like everyone we know, we don't like everyone we
34:34
Speaker 1: work with, especially in situations where you're with each other
34:38
Speaker 1: all the time, called human beings, people grow apart, people
34:42
Speaker 1: don't see eye to eye, especially if I think that
34:44
Speaker 1: you're not good enough and we're in a position where
34:47
Speaker 1: I'm dependent on you. It comes with the territory. And
34:50
Speaker 1: I think if how he had a do over, they
34:52
Speaker 1: would have traded AJ Brown during the season, and you
34:55
Speaker 1: know how he could have just got some other random
34:57
Speaker 1: wide receiver to come in and somewhat fill that void.
35:00
Speaker 1: And I think that Siriani obviously didn't get fired, but
35:05
Speaker 1: is gonna be given, Like, let's remove Aj Brown and
35:08
Speaker 1: whatever tension was created by that situation and add whoever's
35:13
Speaker 1: gonna take our offensive coordinator job and see if we
35:15
Speaker 1: can get some some cohesion back. Because the cohesion was
35:20
Speaker 1: off and it was clearly between the quarterback and the
35:22
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Well, we all know who they're gonna choose
35:24
Speaker 1: this offseason. It ain't gonna be the wide receiver. So
35:27
Speaker 1: it's gonna be one hundred percent Jalen Show. There's gonna
35:29
Speaker 1: be a lot of pressure on him. And part of
35:31
Speaker 1: with your quarterback, like he's gotta set the tone. He's
35:33
Speaker 1: the culture center that we talk about culture and cariacter
35:38
Speaker 1: and all that stuff typically starts with the quarterback. They
35:40
Speaker 1: kind of get to set the tone of the locker room.
35:43
Speaker 1: And now the pressure is gonna fall on Jalen, which
35:45
Speaker 1: is gonna be fascinating to see. Which why there's a
35:47
Speaker 1: ton of pressure on the new offensive coordinator. What do
35:50
Speaker 1: you think about a change of scene trade DJ Moore
35:53
Speaker 1: for Kavon Thibodeau More is clearly not the top dog
35:56
Speaker 1: in Chicago, and Kavon has not worked out well well
36:00
Speaker 1: as relative to his draft position would hope for. As
36:03
Speaker 1: a Giants fan, I do think he has been underutilized
36:06
Speaker 1: and at the same time, he is more solid than
36:08
Speaker 1: he will ever be good. He will ever be good
36:11
Speaker 1: or great. Trade would help Chicago defense and the Giants offense.
36:15
Speaker 1: That's type trade I'm talking about. Those are the type moves.
36:19
Speaker 1: I can't speak for the Giants in how John will think,
36:23
Speaker 1: but to me, if you're the Bears, you're gonna use
36:26
Speaker 1: one of those guys to get defensive help. And whether
36:29
Speaker 1: it's a draft pick to draft a defender or just
36:32
Speaker 1: essentially swap salaries. I think Kavon's fifth year option is
36:37
Speaker 1: I don't even remember off the top of my head,
36:38
Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen, seventeen million somewhere in there. And I think
36:42
Speaker 1: DJ makes high teens, maybe low twenties, So you know,
36:47
Speaker 1: can Kavon just give them another solid defensive lineman. He's
36:51
Speaker 1: pretty good against the run. I've always thought he's a
36:53
Speaker 1: little stiff as like an edge rusher, But like you said,
36:56
Speaker 1: he gets to kind of change the scenery, take a
37:00
Speaker 1: deep breath, contract year. That's the type move. If you're Chicago,
37:04
Speaker 1: you are highly entertaining, right And I think if you're
37:07
Speaker 1: the Giants, you got Malik coming back, wan Dell, like
37:13
Speaker 1: they already got some offensive pieces, maybe you want to
37:15
Speaker 1: add another guy. You know, John's had versatile players like DJ.
37:21
Speaker 1: I don't even do we know who their offensive coordinator
37:23
Speaker 1: is yet? In New York, I don't think we do.
37:24
Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's gonna be Todd, but yeah, Fugazi Friday idea.
37:32
Speaker 1: I believe social media was a way to keep in touch,
37:34
Speaker 1: show off the family, and post about what's on the grill. Lately,
37:38
Speaker 1: it just feels like a platform for old coworkers, old people,
37:41
Speaker 1: and my mother in law to grandstand their political opinions.
37:45
Speaker 1: Is it a reach to just tell people, or if
37:49
Speaker 1: they keep posting their politics on social the way, they
37:53
Speaker 1: get deleted, or is it just okay to just do
37:56
Speaker 1: it and not tell them. I unfollow people all the time.
37:59
Speaker 1: I'm not trying. Human beings weren't wired to get the
38:05
Speaker 1: amount of information if you spend a lot of time scrolling,
38:08
Speaker 1: there is no way our brains were wired to take
38:11
Speaker 1: in that much information that quickly. And I'm as guilty
38:14
Speaker 1: as anyone over the year scrolling. But I have found
38:18
Speaker 1: myself unfollowing more and more people. If there's some sort
38:23
Speaker 1: of professional connection, maybe I'll mute, but specially people that
38:30
Speaker 1: aren't my life just because we went to high school
38:32
Speaker 1: of college together and you're just going off twenty four
38:35
Speaker 1: to seven. It's like, Bro, you're a manager at Whole Foods,
38:39
Speaker 1: Like I focus on your family, So I delete and
38:44
Speaker 1: unfollow people constantly. If you're just, if you're relentless, like listen,
38:49
Speaker 1: you go your own opinions. I don't care. We don't
38:50
Speaker 1: have to agree. But if that's your thing, like bro,
38:53
Speaker 1: get a life, put down the phone, go into society,
38:58
Speaker 1: hang out with some people, Go spend some time with
39:01
Speaker 1: your children, with your significant other. If you're single, go
39:05
Speaker 1: on some fucking dates, get a life. I think too
39:08
Speaker 1: often people are just firing away posts like none of
39:11
Speaker 1: this means anything. None of these posts mean anything. Now
39:14
Speaker 1: you could argue, what does any of it mean? Yeah,
39:17
Speaker 1: your point. That's why I've made a huge the second
39:20
Speaker 1: half of this decade. Put your phone down, go live life.
39:26
Speaker 1: I don't beat a dead horse at this point. But
39:28
Speaker 1: how dumb are the vikings for letting Darnald walk? It
39:30
Speaker 1: already felt like a big miss, but now it's even worse.
39:34
Speaker 1: It's got to hurt. It's gotta really hurt because unlike
39:40
Speaker 1: San Francisco sign him for a backup, you signed him,
39:42
Speaker 1: he started, and he threw thirty five touchdowns and you
39:45
Speaker 1: were sixteen minutes away from being the number one seed
39:47
Speaker 1: with him as the quarterback. The chances of that JJ
39:49
Speaker 1: could ever do that are slim the nun And after
39:53
Speaker 1: one year it's there's not even a question the chance
39:56
Speaker 1: of the JJ. I mean, he's got so far to
39:58
Speaker 1: go because mechanically you're like breaking his whole throwing motion down.
40:02
Speaker 1: So it's gotta hurt. It's gotta hurt. The only way
40:08
Speaker 1: for it not to haunt the franchise forever. Is JJ
40:11
Speaker 1: has to become a serviceable player, just Ryan Tannehill, Alex Smith,
40:15
Speaker 1: a guy that's like, hey, he's never gonna be Josh Allen,
40:19
Speaker 1: but he could throw me twenty eight touchdowns. If we
40:23
Speaker 1: do a good job building the team, we can make
40:26
Speaker 1: the playoffs. If JJ's not that good, it's a it's
40:29
Speaker 1: an all time disaster because they were having the conversation
40:33
Speaker 1: and they decided to let him go. I know this
40:41
Speaker 1: is completely utopian and will never happen, but what are
40:43
Speaker 1: your thoughts on NFL playoff games getting to be played
40:46
Speaker 1: in a dome stadium? Is it's just disappointing to see
40:50
Speaker 1: bad weather determine the results of a playoff game. And no,
40:53
Speaker 1: not a Broncos fan. There are plenty of dome stadiums
40:56
Speaker 1: they could use Mini New Orleans, Detroit, Houston, etc. It
41:02
Speaker 1: would level the playing field and make all the playoff
41:04
Speaker 1: games based on scheme and talent, not rain or snow.
41:08
Speaker 1: I hear you, and clearly the second half of that
41:11
Speaker 1: game is this as gregious of a winter game as
41:16
Speaker 1: you're ever gonna see. When you factor in I mean
41:18
Speaker 1: blizzard conditions, you can't see the wind is pumping snows
41:23
Speaker 1: everywhere in your eyes. But my pushback is like, this
41:27
Speaker 1: is an outdoor sport and weather plays a huge factor
41:35
Speaker 1: in the history of the playoff games, and playing in
41:38
Speaker 1: cold weather is a point of difference for a lot
41:42
Speaker 1: of these teams. Ask the Chiefs over the last half decade,
41:46
Speaker 1: how many home games worked to their advantage being freezing cold?
41:50
Speaker 1: It's worked in Denver's advantage in years past, and in
41:54
Speaker 1: the weather it's just so unpredictable, like a week ago
41:57
Speaker 1: it was fifty degrees in Denver, so I would chock
42:04
Speaker 1: it more up to that feels like an extreme situation,
42:08
Speaker 1: and I have a hard time changing everything based on
42:11
Speaker 1: one extreme. Was that game decided on the field, Not
42:15
Speaker 1: really because the second half was a joke, But am
42:18
Speaker 1: I gonna let one half a football impact? Like the
42:21
Speaker 1: previous week? Playing that game in Chicago when it was
42:23
Speaker 1: freezing cold like that was a test to Wills And
42:27
Speaker 1: historically these playoff games in Kansas City and Philly and
42:30
Speaker 1: Baltimore and New England, weather is a point of difference
42:35
Speaker 1: for that home team. Right, So I hear what you're saying,
42:40
Speaker 1: but I like weather, and it feels like one day
42:45
Speaker 1: we'll be playing all football games in a dome, and
42:48
Speaker 1: I think they'll that will suck. That that really will
42:52
Speaker 1: I I obviously didn't agree with or I mean, I'm
43:01
Speaker 1: not like disputing what you're saying about that specific game,
43:06
Speaker 1: which is as extreme as you're gonna see. But on
43:10
Speaker 1: the aggregate, I like weather games as someone that doesn't
43:14
Speaker 1: like the cold. As a consumer, I like consuming, and
43:18
Speaker 1: we're the life blow of the league. Without us watching
43:20
Speaker 1: these games. We provide the money, your time and attention
43:23
Speaker 1: sitting on the couch watching the game. We provide all
43:25
Speaker 1: the money. All the owners would be the first to
43:27
Speaker 1: tell you the TV money is our bread and butter.
43:30
Speaker 1: That's where we build our wealth. And I just think
43:34
Speaker 1: the weather games are better than the dome games. I'm
43:37
Speaker 1: not a huge dome fan in general. Like I would
43:40
Speaker 1: much rather watch a game outside than I would cold
43:43
Speaker 1: or just normal weather than a dome game. It's not
43:47
Speaker 1: normal football, just perfect elements. Part of football is the
43:53
Speaker 1: elements play a factor, whether that's September in Miami when
43:58
Speaker 1: it's one hundred degree human Remember when Notre Dame played
44:02
Speaker 1: Miami the first game of the season and it was
44:04
Speaker 1: like one hundred and ten degrees humidity on the field
44:07
Speaker 1: like that has to that has to mean something, and
44:11
Speaker 1: it does to me as a football crazy rain games.
44:15
Speaker 1: I mean even when San Francisco used to play at
44:17
Speaker 1: Levi Stick or at Candlestick, they had historic rain games.
44:21
Speaker 1: One against Eli Manning in twenty eleven with Harbaugh's first year.
44:27
Speaker 1: They had one against the Cowboys in the nineties Torrential
44:30
Speaker 1: drowned pair poor. Like, to me, that's just part of
44:34
Speaker 1: the sport. It's like golf. Some days you just get
44:38
Speaker 1: eighty eight degrees no wind. Some days it's freezing cold
44:41
Speaker 1: and windy. Some days it's raining. Like it's just it's
44:44
Speaker 1: an outdoor sport. Watching Goffers Championship weekend pod reaction with Colin,
45:03
Speaker 1: you guys heard you talk about how Seattle was five
45:07
Speaker 1: and one to just win the division. So I was thinking,
45:10
Speaker 1: based off of off season predictions and odds, is this
45:15
Speaker 1: Super Bowl one of the most unlikely matchups in NFL history?
45:20
Speaker 1: Not uncommon for one team to come out of nowhere
45:22
Speaker 1: and make a run, but both teams basically being Cinderella
45:26
Speaker 1: has got to be history in itself. You know, Seattle
45:31
Speaker 1: won ten games last year. Now they changed their quarterback,
45:34
Speaker 1: but they were not a two or three win team.
45:37
Speaker 1: They went ten and seven and the team that won
45:39
Speaker 1: their division went ten to seven too, So it's based
45:44
Speaker 1: on the odds they were an outlier or an extreme
45:48
Speaker 1: extremely unlikely to win their own division, right five to
45:51
Speaker 1: one chance to win the NFC West, which I mean
45:54
Speaker 1: it came down to the last game of the season,
45:55
Speaker 1: so it wasn't like super easy. And New England they
46:00
Speaker 1: had just been so bad the last couple of years,
46:02
Speaker 1: but they got a real coach, they got a real
46:04
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator and it was like, hey, could the young
46:06
Speaker 1: quarterback take a step? He was an MVP candidate. And
46:09
Speaker 1: defensively they're clearly pretty good, and their schedule was pretty easy.
46:13
Speaker 1: But if you factor in both teams, like think of
46:16
Speaker 1: a lot of the matchups recently, Chiefs Eagles, Chiefs Niners,
46:20
Speaker 1: Chiefs Eagles Cincinnati was definitely kind of came out of
46:27
Speaker 1: nowhere in burrows second year, but they played the Rams
46:29
Speaker 1: who had just traded for Stafford, which wasn't that as normal.
46:32
Speaker 1: A lot of Patriots Rams, a lot of Patriots, a
46:36
Speaker 1: lot of Peyton Manning. So yeah, I mean it's in
46:39
Speaker 1: recent memory, it's probably one of did not see that coming.
46:43
Speaker 1: Most people at the beginning of the year would not
46:46
Speaker 1: have believed that the Patriots in Seattle would be the
46:48
Speaker 1: Super Bowl matchup. So I think it's fair to say
46:51
Speaker 1: in the Internet age, it's got to be one of
46:54
Speaker 1: the more unlikely teams. I would imagine if people were
46:58
Speaker 1: bullish on Seattle in the New England, most people would
47:01
Speaker 1: have said, both teams can make the playoffs, probably like
47:04
Speaker 1: a one and done operation. One was the one seed,
47:08
Speaker 1: one was the two seed. It's not as unlikely once
47:11
Speaker 1: the season started playing out because they were both good.
47:14
Speaker 1: But in August, if this would have been your pick,
47:16
Speaker 1: most people would have thought you were a little crazy
47:18
Speaker 1: for sure. But this was also a weird year. Lamar
47:21
Speaker 1: Jackson Patrick Mahomes did not make the playoffs. The Lions,
47:25
Speaker 1: who had been one of the best teams in the
47:26
Speaker 1: league for two years running, did not make the playoffs.
47:30
Speaker 1: The Packers were the seventh seed, the Bears were the
47:33
Speaker 1: two seed. You know, so it's the Jags not only
47:37
Speaker 1: won the division, were one of the best teams in
47:39
Speaker 1: the league. You could argue this year was one of
47:45
Speaker 1: the great curveball years in recent memory. For the mailback
47:50
Speaker 1: about time, McVeigh starts caring about special teams. It cost
47:53
Speaker 1: them the Super Bowl, Draft defense fucking backs and get
47:57
Speaker 1: a special teams coordinator. Disclaimer. I know everyone thinks Bill
48:01
Speaker 1: is the village idiot, but one of his team captains
48:04
Speaker 1: was Matt bleeping' Slater, so Bill definitely valued all three forms.
48:10
Speaker 1: So Matt I had money on the Rams. Defensive guys
48:15
Speaker 1: like special teams. They value special teams. You won't find
48:19
Speaker 1: defensive coaches like John Harbaugh, Mike Vrabel, Bill Belichick that
48:25
Speaker 1: don't value the defensive side of them or the special
48:28
Speaker 1: team side of the ball. It's a big deal to
48:30
Speaker 1: them because it's kind of defense punt punt kickoff, like
48:35
Speaker 1: you're covering, you're tackling, you're setting gaps like they like
48:39
Speaker 1: that stuff. There's a physicality element to it. The worst
48:44
Speaker 1: three special teams. Someone sent this to me in the NFL,
48:51
Speaker 1: So it's pretty remarkable how much worse the Packers and
48:54
Speaker 1: Rams have been at special teams compared to everyone else
48:56
Speaker 1: in the twenty twenties. So this is is I don't
49:01
Speaker 1: know the metric, but the forty nine Ers, Green Bay Packers,
49:05
Speaker 1: and Rams are the three worst teams in the league.
49:08
Speaker 1: What do they have in common three offensive coaches the
49:12
Speaker 1: call plays. They can't even pretend to give a shit.
49:16
Speaker 1: They really can't. And I've seen Kyle forever. I don't
49:19
Speaker 1: know what he's done the last couple years. Didn't even
49:21
Speaker 1: come out during special teams portions. They just did not care.
49:26
Speaker 1: They don't take it seriously. And it shows you get
49:29
Speaker 1: what you emphasize. They would never be that bad at offense.
49:32
Speaker 1: Can you imagine Lafleur, McVeigh or Kyle having like a
49:36
Speaker 1: year of the most embarrassing offense. Of course not because
49:39
Speaker 1: it would never be tolerated and if it was that
49:42
Speaker 1: they would there would be huge like ramifications. It happened
49:47
Speaker 1: to one year to McVeigh when Stafford got injured and
49:50
Speaker 1: they fired everybody. He got like a brand new staff
49:52
Speaker 1: He was so he almost quit. He almost went to Amazon.
49:55
Speaker 1: He literally almost quit. Saw you know, Kyle's like, oh,
50:00
Speaker 1: we need a kicker. You just draft a kicker in
50:01
Speaker 1: the third round. Like, Bro, that's not how you fix it.
50:03
Speaker 1: Come on, emphasize it. You set the standard. Because all
50:09
Speaker 1: these coaches, what do they talk a lot about offensive
50:11
Speaker 1: defense even though they are all offensive coordinators. They hold
50:15
Speaker 1: their defensive players to a high standard. They do not
50:18
Speaker 1: hold their special teams players to a high standard, just
50:20
Speaker 1: a fact, or else they wouldn't all three be the
50:23
Speaker 1: worst units. Think about that, the Niners, the Packers, and
50:27
Speaker 1: the Rams for the last five years of the worst
50:29
Speaker 1: special teams units in the league. I mean, if that
50:32
Speaker 1: doesn't say at all, I don't know what else does.
50:34
Speaker 1: They were all three a little crew, and I'm sure
50:37
Speaker 1: they love talking offense. They really value defense, but they
50:41
Speaker 1: just do not care about special teams that they can't
50:43
Speaker 1: even pretend to care. And it shows. One time in
50:50
Speaker 1: a Niner press conference, Tim Kawakami asked Kyle that and
50:53
Speaker 1: he got so offended. It's like, well, we drafted a
50:56
Speaker 1: kicker in the third. It's not about just drafting a kicker,
51:00
Speaker 1: like you said. Belichick made Matthew Slater his team captain
51:04
Speaker 1: for a decade. A decade. You know why, because when
51:08
Speaker 1: we walk through this door, from Vrabel to Brady to
51:12
Speaker 1: Gronk to mccordy, Slater is every bit as important. Those
51:17
Speaker 1: coaches would never do that. Ever. They need to start
51:22
Speaker 1: or else it's gonna always cost him. The Sam Donald
51:25
Speaker 1: performance was Mahomes and Allen like if he wins a
51:28
Speaker 1: ring and plays well in the Super Bowl. Where would
51:31
Speaker 1: you rank him as a quarterback. It's a great question
51:36
Speaker 1: based off this one year. I mean, he would have
51:38
Speaker 1: a lot of momentum going into next season of like
51:41
Speaker 1: would you rather have Sam Donald or Dak Prescott? Would
51:43
Speaker 1: you rather have Sam Donald or Jared Goff? Like he's
51:47
Speaker 1: immediately in that crew, you know, Jalen Purdy. There's always
51:51
Speaker 1: this crew of the top guys, right Mahomes, Alan Lamar, Burrow,
51:57
Speaker 1: Herbert regular season playoffs, that's a different story. But the
52:02
Speaker 1: guys that are widely considered, and then there's like the
52:04
Speaker 1: next crew of like eight guys that we kind of
52:07
Speaker 1: waffle up and down on you win the Super Bowl. Like, now,
52:11
Speaker 1: is he gonna have like a seven year career of
52:14
Speaker 1: just every year being like a pro Bowl level guy.
52:17
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wouldn't bet against it. Now that
52:19
Speaker 1: he's got momentum. Confidence it's a powerful thing any young
52:22
Speaker 1: person once they kind of get going in the right direction,
52:25
Speaker 1: you kind of build off that and it it exponentially
52:28
Speaker 1: can build on itself and grow. And when you lose
52:31
Speaker 1: your confidence, you feel like you're never gonna get it back.
52:33
Speaker 1: And when you get it, it's it starts kind of
52:37
Speaker 1: just building on h year after year. I mean, part
52:41
Speaker 1: of being a great player in the NFL is doing
52:43
Speaker 1: it every single year. So it's like, can he have
52:45
Speaker 1: a three year career with Seattle this year, the next
52:48
Speaker 1: couple of years where he's just a really good player.
52:51
Speaker 1: I would bet on him being a really good player.
52:54
Speaker 1: Now he's gonna he's gonna have bad turnovers. I mean,
52:56
Speaker 1: he's gonna be turnover prone. But if he's throwing a
52:59
Speaker 1: bunch of touchdowns and comes through in playoff games, what
53:03
Speaker 1: else do you want? Dak Prescott has never done that
53:06
Speaker 1: in a big game like that. Dak Prescott had one
53:09
Speaker 1: good playoff game in the last you know, in the
53:11
Speaker 1: prime of his career. He had a good one when
53:13
Speaker 1: he was a rookie. But think of that stretch with McCarthy.
53:17
Speaker 1: He had the one playoff game against the Bucks, who
53:19
Speaker 1: were terrible. He threw five touchdowns, played the Niners twice.
53:23
Speaker 1: Was atrocious. That Packer game in the first half was bad.
53:28
Speaker 1: Can you believe Sam Darnold is the only quarterback from
53:30
Speaker 1: the eighteen draft class to make the Super Bowl? Pretty nuts?
53:34
Speaker 1: Pretty nuts? I think? Yeah. I mean, Lamar and Josh
53:38
Speaker 1: had their shots Lamar two years ago. It doesn't get
53:41
Speaker 1: any better than that. You're at home, number one seed,
53:43
Speaker 1: best defense in the league, you're the MVP. Josh has
53:46
Speaker 1: had multiple shots, including this year, just didn't get it done.
53:49
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what else to say. No
53:52
Speaker 1: one would have had that on their Bengo card. Hell,
53:55
Speaker 1: even Baker, you would have bet on. You know, he
53:57
Speaker 1: had a bunch of momentum this year. When the Bucks
53:59
Speaker 1: started fast, they look good. They were what were they?
54:01
Speaker 1: Eight and two? Question for the mailbag, what's the deal
54:07
Speaker 1: with the Rams fans? They're the most non impassioned fan
54:10
Speaker 1: base of a good team I've ever seen. I feel
54:12
Speaker 1: like Championship weekend doesn't have a lot of juice. The
54:15
Speaker 1: country is not really invested in the Seahawks and they're
54:17
Speaker 1: coaching quarterback. Rams fans seem to be pretty lackluster. The
54:21
Speaker 1: Broncos lost their starting quarterback, and nationwide standpoint, I don't
54:24
Speaker 1: think the Patriots are moving the needle. Am I wrong
54:26
Speaker 1: about this take? I do think that Sam Donold's a
54:29
Speaker 1: big time story, and I think McVeigh nationally is bigger
54:33
Speaker 1: than he is in Los Angeles. Part of it is
54:36
Speaker 1: the Rams left La for a long time they left forever, right,
54:43
Speaker 1: they were there when I was really young, and then
54:45
Speaker 1: they went to Saint Louis and for a long time
54:47
Speaker 1: they were just the Saint Louis Rams. When you're a
54:50
Speaker 1: nomadic franchise, it creates friction and people leave you, right
54:55
Speaker 1: the reason the Steelers, the Bears, the Eagles, the Niners,
54:58
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, these teams that have been one place forever,
55:01
Speaker 1: the Packers. When moving is part of your thing, like
55:07
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, and if you've moved in the last like
55:09
Speaker 1: ten years, it just creates I don't even know the
55:15
Speaker 1: right way to describe it, but it's no one wants
55:20
Speaker 1: to follow a professional franchise that's moving, especially in the
55:23
Speaker 1: Internet age. So I think that's part of it. Like
55:26
Speaker 1: their team wasn't there for a lot of people that
55:28
Speaker 1: are my age when you were growing up, they were
55:29
Speaker 1: the Saint Louis Rams. Kurt Warner is not yours, Marshall
55:33
Speaker 1: Falk was not yours. So the teams that won the
55:36
Speaker 1: Super Bowl twenty plus years ago and that were good,
55:39
Speaker 1: like you don't even get to claim those. The Raiders
55:44
Speaker 1: won a couple of Super Bowls in Los Angeles, So
55:47
Speaker 1: it's like the Raiders, the Rams, the Chargers, these teams moving,
55:52
Speaker 1: it's I think that plays a massive, massive part in
55:58
Speaker 1: their fan bases. I got two questions on McCarthy and
56:04
Speaker 1: we'll end on this love the pod. So the Steelers
56:08
Speaker 1: hire McCarthy, and the fan base and the media alike
56:10
Speaker 1: experience at complete meltdown. Am I crazy in thinking that
56:14
Speaker 1: this is an okay, higher and might be shorter term
56:16
Speaker 1: or bridge play by Steelers ownership obtain a young, highly
56:20
Speaker 1: rated OC like a Selhouse. I think I'm saying that
56:23
Speaker 1: name wrong. It's the mcveigh's guy. Not saying him specifically,
56:27
Speaker 1: but someone like that to mentor groom under McCarthy. I
56:31
Speaker 1: get the Steelers always go long tenure at head coach historically,
56:35
Speaker 1: and maybe I'm just coping, but it's got to be
56:38
Speaker 1: in the cards giving them McCarthy a sixty two. Another question,
56:42
Speaker 1: cowboy fan here, I don't understand all the hate for McCarthy.
56:45
Speaker 1: People forget, but Jason Carrott was the king of eight
56:48
Speaker 1: to eight. McCarthy takes over and he has way more
56:50
Speaker 1: success than Jason. Not saying that's a high bar, but
56:53
Speaker 1: he made the team better for sure, and the people
56:56
Speaker 1: often judge coaches on how they do after they leave.
56:59
Speaker 1: My opinion, Yottenneimer is neutral. I'm not convinced we upgraded
57:02
Speaker 1: a head coach, but Jerry can sell hope, which matters
57:05
Speaker 1: the most. Why do people hate on McCarthy and he
57:09
Speaker 1: he tweeted? Or send me the tweet of McCarthy versus
57:12
Speaker 1: Harball sixty two verse sixty three, eighteen seasons as head coach,
57:17
Speaker 1: basically the same amount of wins one hundred and seventy
57:19
Speaker 1: four to one hundred and eighty, playoff record eleven and eleven,
57:22
Speaker 1: thirteen and eleven, ten win seasons eleven and eleven, and
57:25
Speaker 1: won Super Bowl. Said that it's branding. McCarthy's branding is bad.
57:32
Speaker 1: Maybe it's he's overweight, Maybe it's people. I don't think
57:37
Speaker 1: he's not that smart for an offensive guy who calls
57:40
Speaker 1: plays and works with a quarterback. Find me a guy
57:43
Speaker 1: in his position that we don't consider intelligent. Kevin O'Connell,
57:46
Speaker 1: Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, Lafleur, you know Bruce arians like
57:52
Speaker 1: when it comes to football, like this guy knows offensive scheme. Yeah,
57:56
Speaker 1: with McCarthy, no one talks about him like that. They
57:59
Speaker 1: talk about him like he's just like your next door
58:01
Speaker 1: beer drinking neighbor. Yeah, like you said, McCarthy has all
58:05
Speaker 1: these seasons eighteen, he has eleven ten wins seasons. He's
58:09
Speaker 1: coached the MVP at quarterback. He's coached the best years
58:12
Speaker 1: of Dak Prescott's career. He has one big time, consistently
58:16
Speaker 1: been a playoff coach, had some one and duns in
58:20
Speaker 1: the playoffs. No one's disputing that. But he does not
58:23
Speaker 1: get talked about like John Harbugh and Mike Tomlin, and
58:25
Speaker 1: he's The branding around him is not good. The PR
58:29
Speaker 1: campaign for him is not good. It's actually atrocious. Look
58:34
Speaker 1: at Robert Slow. Now you can blame the Jets, but
58:36
Speaker 1: it did not go well. He had run ins with
58:38
Speaker 1: Rogers in terms of like the press conferences. He would
58:41
Speaker 1: say things and Rogers back. He never told me that
58:44
Speaker 1: it was not smooth. It did not go well. Some
58:48
Speaker 1: of that was self inflicted by Robert Salt. But he's
58:50
Speaker 1: got a great PR campaign. I'm guilty of this because
58:53
Speaker 1: I'm like, God, Robertsaul's a badass. You look at Robert Sawl,
58:57
Speaker 1: he looks like a player. Mike McCarthy, you know, looks
59:00
Speaker 1: like he could drop about fifty get on one of
59:02
Speaker 1: those stupid Eli Lilly commercials so they stop blaming me.
59:07
Speaker 1: I'm trying to eat a salad. I just don't want
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Speaker 1: to work out AKA Lily, just telling you bend Over
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Speaker 1: take that job. If he got on GLP ones and
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Speaker 1: lost fifty pounds. I do wonder if we talk about
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Speaker 1: him differently fair or not, because he gets branded unlike
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Speaker 1: Tomlin and Hardball. Yet they're all three like essentially the
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Speaker 1: same guy. So branding perception in businesses like this really matter.
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Speaker 1: And the Steelers clearly don't care that much about that
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Speaker 1: because I don't think anyone else was hiring him. McCarthy
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Speaker 1: wasn't going to take the Cardinal or Brown job. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say. Whether it's just
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Speaker 1: his pr campaign, his look, the branding around him. I
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Speaker 1: think it's a lot of different variables, but they're all negative.
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Speaker 1: John Harbaugh gets fired, it's like fucking genius John freaking Horball. Well,
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Speaker 1: what do we think about the Harbor. There's just a
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Speaker 1: bunch of badasses. What do we think about Mike Tomlin?
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Speaker 1: Best leader of men since like General Patton? Right, Mike McCarthy, Uh, Well,
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Speaker 1: if he wasn't coaching football, what would be doing like
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Speaker 1: running an HVAC company. That's the way people talk about him,
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Speaker 1: and then like you just list his accomplishments. He's basically
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Speaker 1: parallels perfectly John Harbaugh's career. Get the way they're discussed
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Speaker 1: couldn't be any more On the opposite ends of the spectrum.
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Speaker 1: It's pretty wild. It's I don't remember a guy this
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Speaker 1: accomplished and also good with quarterbacks and calling offense that
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Speaker 1: no one really respects. The casual fan people are emailing me,
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Speaker 1: can I quit the Steelers, And even I was like, Eh,
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Speaker 1: maybe you can, but I'm telling you it's not gonna
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Speaker 1: be as bad as you think. The volume