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27 Grievances Against King George Tyrants And Rogues From Robert G Parkinson · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 1: talking about that thing called the Declaration of Independence, and
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  Speaker 1: it's like, I'm so grateful that you have put this together,
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  Speaker 1: because I got how can people even know what's even
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  Speaker 1: going on anymore? With what's going on anymore? In other words,
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  Speaker 1: it's like everything in the past seems to be Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's what they did back then. This is a new day.
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  Speaker 1: How did you even put this book? Together?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, no one has written a book about
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  Speaker 2: the twenty seven grievances of Declaration of Defense for more
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  Speaker 2: than a century, and and so I thought it was
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  Speaker 2: high time to kind of visits the specific pausas of
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  Speaker 2: these things and kind of get a sense of what
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  Speaker 2: were their deal breakers. I do think that has some
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  Speaker 2: sort of fresh bearing on our lives today. But these
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  Speaker 2: are the outer limits that they thought of, why they
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  Speaker 2: couldn't tolerate staying in the British Empire anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I got to tell you something here, Robert,
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  Speaker 1: is that that I went through your book before King
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  Speaker 1: Charles got here last week. If you don't think that
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  Speaker 1: that didn't change the way I was watching him, Holy dude,
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  Speaker 1: I was a much different person with the with that,
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  Speaker 1: with that man on our soil. I really was right.
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  Speaker 2: And although he was saying he was, the things he
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  Speaker 2: was saying was actually in.
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  Speaker 3: Support of the Declaration of Independence. Yes, I mean, yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: oh he was.
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  Speaker 2: He was saying, this is why don't you guys follow
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  Speaker 2: some of the dictates of this thing.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I loved about it. It's almost like he
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  Speaker 1: got a copy of the book too, going, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: this is going to be the talk of the town.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know if I want to be the
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  Speaker 1: one that's going to be connected to this George guy.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if my publicist is good enough
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  Speaker 2: to get a coffee to the royal family.
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  Speaker 3: But here's hoping.
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  Speaker 1: So now to put the book together, I mean that
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  Speaker 1: requires research. I am a research hoard. Please let me
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  Speaker 1: inside your thinking process and the notes that you put
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  Speaker 1: on that yellow tablet.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I've been working on this.
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  Speaker 3: Actually.
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  Speaker 2: The the origins of this go all the way back
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  Speaker 2: to when I was a very young graduate student at
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  Speaker 2: the University of Virginia, where I started putting things together
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  Speaker 2: about the Declaration's grievances, but I focused only on the
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  Speaker 2: last few of them when I was working on my
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  Speaker 2: previous stuff about racing the Declaration.
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  Speaker 1: But I.
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  Speaker 2: Always kind of wanted to take this on, but I
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  Speaker 2: didn't really exactly know how to do it, because it
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  Speaker 2: seems pretty boring just to say, well, four is about this,
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  Speaker 2: and five is about that, and six is about So
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  Speaker 2: I was searching for a while of for a way in,
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  Speaker 2: and when I stumbled upon the idea of a rogue
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  Speaker 2: gallery for the Revolution, that the talk about the faces
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  Speaker 2: behind these grievances and do this kind of in a
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  Speaker 2: narrative way that was about families and personalities.
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  Speaker 3: That was that once that happened to kind of all
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  Speaker 3: clicked together.
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  Speaker 1: Well, didn't it kind of come up in that old play?
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  Speaker 1: And hopefully you got to see a seventeen seventy six,
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  Speaker 1: which is what we were watching back when we celebrated
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  Speaker 1: the two hundred anniversary. If you didn't see seventeen seventy
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  Speaker 1: six on a stage, it was.
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  Speaker 3: Like, Oh my god, how on on thered be a ice?
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  Speaker 2: I'm teaching a class of deparation independence right now and
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  Speaker 2: the students don't know that that's their final exam next week.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my godess is to watch the musical? Oh yes, Oh,
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  Speaker 3: I told them there's a surprise. But that's a surprise.
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  Speaker 1: It just that was the I swear to God as
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  Speaker 1: a teenager in Montana. That's what changed me about everything,
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  Speaker 1: because I finally got it. Mister Fox at Ponderosa and
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  Speaker 1: over there at Riverside Junior High School wasn't a nut.
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  Speaker 1: He actually knew what he was talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 3: And if you, if you really read.
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  Speaker 2: Very steeped in the correspondence of what's going on in
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  Speaker 2: those weeks, you'll find that there are lines in some
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  Speaker 2: of those songs that are actually words that people, the delegates.
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  Speaker 3: Of Congress, had written.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the song cool Considerate Men comes from a
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  Speaker 2: letter that one of the Delaware representatives writes to his
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  Speaker 2: brother talking about the cool, considerate men in Congress.
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  Speaker 1: How did they even get along? Because I see what
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  Speaker 1: we're doing today and I can't help but think about
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  Speaker 1: what was taking place during the creation of the Declaration
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  Speaker 1: of Independence, and I'm going these guys weren't even buddies yet.
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  Speaker 1: We just need to get these thirteen colonies together.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely not. I mean, the.
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  Speaker 2: Unity is always and the union itself is always the
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  Speaker 2: specter in the room. Most of the decisions they make
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  Speaker 2: are trying their best to get along with one another
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  Speaker 2: so that the colonies themselves will stay in one durable union.
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  Speaker 2: Everything is about I mean, tell you, my students don't
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  Speaker 2: remember this. You know the sign from Mistik of Lyton
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety two when he had the sign on
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  Speaker 2: his plans that it's the economy stupid. But when I
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  Speaker 2: say in Plass, I say, it's the union stupid. It's always, always,
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  Speaker 2: always about trying to get along because they don't know
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  Speaker 2: each other, and they don't and they are very suspicious
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  Speaker 2: of one another.
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  Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Robert G. Parkinson
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  Speaker 1: coming up next. The name of his book Tyrants and Rogues.
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  Speaker 1: Dun dun, dun, duh. We are back with author Robert G. Parkinson.
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  Speaker 1: I got to tell you, being down here in Carolina,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a little bit spoiled. But I love going to
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  Speaker 1: two different places around this area only because I'm listening.
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  Speaker 1: Because I believe the energies of Andrew Jackson as well
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  Speaker 1: as President Polk are still here, and I will go
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  Speaker 1: to their sites just to listen and write. Do you
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  Speaker 1: ever do that in the way of just just go there?
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  Speaker 1: It's there, the energy is still there.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I would agree.
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  Speaker 2: I was just an independence hall a couple of louksio
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  Speaker 2: in Philadelphia, and you know, walking around the grounds behind it,
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  Speaker 2: you can kind of feel some of that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Have you been to the a Lamance battlefields?
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  Speaker 1: I have not, Please inform mom.
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  Speaker 3: Well the elements so.
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  Speaker 2: The in seventeen seventy one, North Carolina was in the
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  Speaker 2: middle of a small scale civil war. It's one of
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  Speaker 2: the chap when when Jefferson writes some declaration about convulsions
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  Speaker 2: within is one of the things that can lead to
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  Speaker 2: bad government. I don't know if he's thinking about the
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  Speaker 2: regulators of North Carolina, but it certainly is.
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  Speaker 3: An example of that.
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  Speaker 2: There is canon fire going back and forth between North
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  Speaker 2: Carolinians in seventeen seventy one, which is not that long
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  Speaker 2: before the shooting starts in British Red Coats. And so
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  Speaker 2: you should go check that out. And I forget what
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  Speaker 2: exactly it's an Alemance County.
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  Speaker 1: I guess yeah, absolutely, well yeah, because I mean, one
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  Speaker 1: of the things that I've learned about this area, and
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  Speaker 1: it really took an RV to finally wake me up
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  Speaker 1: down here, is that there is so much history that
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  Speaker 1: is unspoken. But the problem with a lot of this
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  Speaker 1: history it's beneath the kudzoo and and the thing is
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  Speaker 1: is that you've got to go looking for it and
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  Speaker 1: see and it requires a book like this, and what
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  Speaker 1: you just talked about about Alamance County and Alamance that
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  Speaker 1: now I've got to go look because I do want
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  Speaker 1: to know the history because it is alive in the
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  Speaker 1: soil down here.
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  Speaker 2: And North Carolina is particularly on the minds of North
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  Speaker 2: Carolina is the second colony to give their instructions to
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  Speaker 2: their delegates that if a vote for independence is brought
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  Speaker 2: forward by someone else, that you guys are allowed to
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  Speaker 2: vote for it. South Carolina's first, North Carolina is second,
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  Speaker 2: but they're not allowed to bring it up themselves.
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  Speaker 3: It's only when the Virginians.
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  Speaker 2: Give their guys permission to put a motion on the floor.
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  Speaker 2: But North Carolina with all these things, and there are
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  Speaker 2: a lot of there's a lot of turmoil in North
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  Speaker 2: Carolina in seventeen seventy five and seventy six. There are
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  Speaker 2: there are serious fears about slave rebellions. There is a
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  Speaker 2: big loyalist fight at Morse Creek Bridge, and so they
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  Speaker 2: definitely have North Carolina on their minds about getting it.
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  Speaker 3: Into the Declaration of Independence. So there's a couple of ones.
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  Speaker 2: Two of the chapters of Tyrants and Rogues are about
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  Speaker 2: just North Carolina.
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  Speaker 1: Well, do you think the reason why they're not talking
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  Speaker 1: about it today is because in reality kind of a
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  Speaker 1: pain in the ass down here?
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  Speaker 3: We really were? You were? You were?
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  Speaker 2: Do you mean the reason we're not talking about well
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  Speaker 2: not having a North Carolina or about the.
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  Speaker 1: Green Well, well, I mean why this state is not
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  Speaker 1: talking about it because, I mean it just seems like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: let's just wash it over. I mean because it kills
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  Speaker 1: me that you can go to Charleston for history, but
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  Speaker 1: do we have that history in Carolina? They washed it over.
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  Speaker 1: It's all washed over, dude.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well tell the guys and Raleigh to start start
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  Speaker 2: doing those big historic preservation projects and let's get let's
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  Speaker 2: get back to it. Triumph Palace is a pretty interesting
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  Speaker 2: site too.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. That see, this is what it's all about. And
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  Speaker 1: that's why it requires an author like you to open
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  Speaker 1: up the So now you got to get on the
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  Speaker 1: travel channel and everything that you mentioned in this book.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to take us there because that's what's going
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  Speaker 1: to get us back and get get engaged with what's
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  Speaker 1: going on.
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  Speaker 3: That would be a cool series. Actually, I think it.
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  Speaker 1: Would be too, because you're gonna open up because you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna take us beneath the kad Zoo and we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: cut that stuff back.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I do.
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  Speaker 2: I think I think most Americans believe that the Declaration
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  Speaker 2: Independence is only those sentences about the self evident truths
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  Speaker 2: and pursuits of happiness and all men to create equal
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  Speaker 2: I think they think it stops there.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I uh.
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  Speaker 2: When back in the in the early two thousands, whenever
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  Speaker 2: the Fox Network had the Super Bowl, they would have
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  Speaker 2: this interesting sort of pregame segment in which they would
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  Speaker 2: have like member like oh, former football players and coaches
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  Speaker 2: and things stand in front of like Americana Museums and
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  Speaker 2: the Statute Liberty and the Golden Gate Bridge and recite
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  Speaker 2: sentences from the Declaration of Independence. And it was this
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  Speaker 2: weird kind of like making the Super Bowl, kind of
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  Speaker 2: a second Fourth of July. But they all they only
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  Speaker 2: did the opening paragraphs. They don't do anything else except that.
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  Speaker 2: And I think a lot of Americans believe that's where
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  Speaker 2: the document ends and there's nothing else to it.
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  Speaker 1: Wow so much today we're always hearing about the power
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  Speaker 1: of negotiations, the power of negotiations. I would like to
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  Speaker 1: be a fly on the wall during the negotiations of
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  Speaker 1: the deco Ration of Independence, because that's it didn't just
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  Speaker 1: happen this No no, oh my god, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, and and and Jefferson. Of course there
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  Speaker 2: are there are significant parts of it that are you know,
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  Speaker 2: the paragraphs that we remember are are almost pure Jefferson.
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  Speaker 2: They're ninety eight percent basically Jefferson. There's not a lot
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  Speaker 2: of changes from him that are made, but but when
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  Speaker 2: they go, you go deeper into the greetings, especially the
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  Speaker 2: last few he had. He was sulking in the corner
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  Speaker 2: kind of just like it in the musical and he
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  Speaker 2: actually was. I mean, Franklin goes over to him and
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  Speaker 2: tries to cheer him up with a with an amusing
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  Speaker 2: story about about a hat or and the sign the
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  Speaker 2: pupils on the hat and but he but there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of changes that go on and a lot of
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  Speaker 2: compromises that are made, uh, that are.
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  Speaker 3: Very very difficult.
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  Speaker 1: Any any word on your digging up where King George responded,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, because if I were King George, I'd be like,
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  Speaker 1: they what you mean? They didn't know they're they're they're
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  Speaker 1: doing what That wasn't supposed to be the plan here?
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  Speaker 2: Well, right, And actually what's interesting is the word tyrant
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  Speaker 2: which appears.
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  Speaker 3: The tyrant an tyranny.
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  Speaker 2: Of course both appear in the declaration were illegal words
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  Speaker 2: to print in England. That was seditious libel about the king.
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  Speaker 2: So when in England they'd print the copies of the declaration,
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  Speaker 2: they do a couple of things.
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  Speaker 3: One thing they do is they change.
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  Speaker 2: He has to it was and to keep the king
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  Speaker 2: out of it. And then they also put like and
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  Speaker 2: they just blank out the word tyrant or tyranny, so
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  Speaker 2: that word doesn't appear in whenever England doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: We don't have any direct.
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  Speaker 2: Evidence of how the King personally reacted to hearing the news,
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  Speaker 2: but we do know that the British government tried to
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  Speaker 2: They did issue big long rebuttals of things and tried
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  Speaker 2: to knock it down as much as they could.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, where can people go to find out more about you?
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  Speaker 1: And I have to ask, are you going to create
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  Speaker 1: a musical with two hundred and fifty years? Because I
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  Speaker 1: mean you you've got it, dude.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean I think I would be repeating a
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  Speaker 2: lot of some of the things that are already in
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  Speaker 2: a very very musical. But uh, now you can go
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  Speaker 2: if you find out more about me, and you can
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  Speaker 2: go to my faculty web page at Binghamton University, Binghamton
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  Speaker 2: dot A d U.
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  Speaker 3: There's no p in Binghamton h A mt l N.
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  Speaker 2: And there's more about my other books that I've written
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  Speaker 2: there as well.
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  Speaker 1: God, I can't wait to talk with you again because
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  Speaker 1: I love history and being down here. You're opening up
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  Speaker 1: my eyes and I'm right here on the same fricking
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  Speaker 1: soils that you're talking about.
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  Speaker 3: That's true.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, will you be brilliant today? Okay, sir?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, thanks a lot. You too