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Superman: The Movie (1978) · Project Geekology

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Fresh off the heels of last week's Superman movie, we take you back, ladies and gentlemen.
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, we can run as far as to Superman, spin this earth backwards and bring us back to 1978.
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: This week's episode of Project Geekology, we will be covering Superman, the movie from 1978.
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: I can't do it alone, of course, and I'm joined, as always, with Dakota, and the lovely introduction was presented by Rich.
• 0:33
  Speaker 2: I don't believe that he, you know, told us who he was.
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: But, rich, good to have you on the podcast, as always, and I'm always pleased to be joined with.
• 0:43
  Speaker 3: Anthony, and you know, rich, rich, that was actually pretty good, because that was something that I was thinking in my mind too, like you know the thought of, you know, flying the podcast back and bringing the earth all the way to 1978 to cover this movie.
• 0:57
  Speaker 3: So see, clever so you and I, you and I were thinking that that same thing.
• 1:01
  Speaker 3: But yes, just as rich had said, we are covering superman, the movie 1978, starring christopher reeves.
• 1:10
  Speaker 3: And yeah, man it, it had been a a good little while since I had seen that.
• 1:16
  Speaker 3: But before we hop into superman, the movie dakota, what have you been up to, um?
• 1:24
  Speaker 2: I I know that this is a layup because, um, I happen to be telling a funny story prior to the podcast.
• 1:31
  Speaker 2: Anthony's like, shut up, tell it on the podcast.
• 1:34
  Speaker 2: So you know, as far as what I've been up to this past week, not a whole lot.
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: Um, a new avatar book, like avatar.
• 1:41
  Speaker 2: The last airbender book came out, so I'm excited to dive into that when I get the opportunity.
• 1:46
  Speaker 2: I did write a video script, um, which hopefully I will have out by the time that this video or this podcast is out.
• 1:53
  Speaker 2: Um, specifically about the superman timeline uh, for the 2025 film, not for this movie.
• 2:00
  Speaker 2: That's pretty cool.
• 2:01
  Speaker 2: I found some really cool easter eggs and hidden meaning um, in like that's like layered into the structure of the timeline of the movie.
• 2:09
  Speaker 2: It's it's really.
• 2:10
  Speaker 2: I think it's a really fascinating concept.
• 2:12
  Speaker 2: But, um, as far as the story that anthony uh required me to tell on the podcast, I have to go back a previous week.
• 2:21
  Speaker 2: I have to go back back to Disney World, where I was a couple weeks back.
• 2:24
  Speaker 2: I have a or I had posted a picture online of me eating a foot-long hot dog, a massive glizzy.
• 2:34
  Speaker 2: I have a hot dog hat, or I have a hat that says bad day to be a hot dog and I have, like the you know Cinderella's castle in the background.
• 2:43
  Speaker 2: It's a gorgeous photo.
• 2:44
  Speaker 2: It's you know, cinderella's castle in the background.
• 2:46
  Speaker 2: It's a gorgeous photo.
• 2:47
  Speaker 2: It's one of my favorites.
• 2:49
  Speaker 2: It's one of my best one of the highlights of my life?
• 2:51
  Speaker 2: Really no, but it was.
• 2:53
  Speaker 2: The background of that is a little scary, because I was struggling to eat that hot dog, even though I knew I had to.
• 3:01
  Speaker 2: I knew I had to.
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: I knew at least my brother-in-law, who was with us, had been so excited to see me down another footlong hot dog from Casey's Corner, as he remembered so fondly from our first trip over Disney World together.
• 3:15
  Speaker 2: So anyway, I in my infinite wisdom bought this hat that says Bad Day to be a hot dog, and I bought it specifically for baseball games.
• 3:28
  Speaker 2: But it came in like a month later.
• 3:29
  Speaker 2: So I had been to a couple games and I just, I just did not have the hat at hand.
• 3:34
  Speaker 2: So I brought it to disney world.
• 3:35
  Speaker 2: I thought it would be a fun opportunity to relive my glory days at casey's corner downing another footlong lizzie.
• 3:41
  Speaker 2: But anyway, halfway through the day it was extremely hot in, you know, central Florida.
• 3:47
  Speaker 2: We decided to leave Magic Kingdom resort, hop over to some of the resorts you know.
• 3:53
  Speaker 2: You go to the, you get on the monorail, you go to the contemporary resort, the Polynesian, the Grand Floridian, then back to Magic Kingdom.
• 4:00
  Speaker 2: We went to the Polynesian.
• 4:01
  Speaker 2: We were hoping to get you know some drinks or whatever.
• 4:04
  Speaker 2: Stay out of the heat.
• 4:05
  Speaker 2: We ended up getting a reservation to Ohana, which is like one of the best restaurants in the Walt Disney World bubble.
• 4:13
  Speaker 1: I thought that was small and broken, wasn't it?
• 4:15
  Speaker 1: But still good.
• 4:17
  Speaker 1: Say that again, wasn't Ohana?
• 4:18
  Speaker 1: Small and broken, but still good.
• 4:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, I see what you're doing there.
• 4:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, cheap, cheap Lilo and Stitch joke, cut it out of the show.
• 4:26
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, just go back to what you were saying.
• 4:28
  Speaker 1: I'm an asshole.
• 4:29
  Speaker 1: I was so excited when I heard you say Ohana.
• 4:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
• 4:42
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it is the Polynesian resort.
• 4:43
  Speaker 2: There is a big Stitch presence there in terms of like the merchandise and everything at the resort.
• 4:45
  Speaker 2: But yeah, this is more like a tiki themed place.
• 4:46
  Speaker 2: But yeah, the restaurant is called ohana.
• 4:47
  Speaker 2: It's all you can eat.
• 4:48
  Speaker 2: They have like the best sesame noodles ever.
• 4:50
  Speaker 2: So I was just, you know, going hard midway through my day eating sesame noodles and then, you know, I was absolutely stuffed again.
• 4:59
  Speaker 2: It's all you can eat.
• 4:59
  Speaker 2: You just, you know, keep, you, keep ordering more.
• 5:01
  Speaker 2: Anyway, we go back to the park later in the day, we enjoy the, the fireworks show, like at 9 o'clock or 10 o'clock or something like that, and then the park's open for another hour after that point.
• 5:11
  Speaker 2: And that's when I decided all right, let's go to Casey's Corner.
• 5:13
  Speaker 2: I've had enough time to let this settle into my system.
• 5:16
  Speaker 2: I have enough room, guys, I did not have enough room.
• 5:26
  Speaker 1: By the time.
• 5:26
  Speaker 3: I was halfway through at foot long six inches deep.
• 5:29
  Speaker 2: That sounds so wrong Anyway.
• 5:32
  Speaker 3: I looked at Rich immediately after he said that.
• 5:35
  Speaker 3: I looked at Rich to see what his reaction was going to be.
• 5:39
  Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, a high school teacher I do not have a straight face If things like this happen in the classroom.
• 5:46
  Speaker 1: It just happens.
• 5:47
  Speaker 1: I can't control myself.
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 5:49
  Speaker 3: Dakota.
• 5:50
  Speaker 3: It sounds like that hot dog made it a bad day for you.
• 5:55
  Speaker 2: It could have.
• 5:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it almost did.
• 5:56
  Speaker 2: I was really struggling and my wife Jen, she looked over at me like this is something that we were really excited about.
• 6:04
  Speaker 2: This was something that we were going to end our trip on Dakota's.
• 6:07
  Speaker 2: Going to eat another footlong hot dog with that stupid hat.
• 6:10
  Speaker 2: We're going to take pictures, yeah.
• 6:11
  Speaker 2: So I did end up eating it.
• 6:14
  Speaker 2: But you know, my wife is just like, oh, if you're, you know, if you're not feeling it, you don't have to.
• 6:19
  Speaker 2: And then my brother-in-law came in with the pep talk like dude, we didn't come all the way from New York just for you to cag out right here right now.
• 6:27
  Speaker 2: And you know, he like started like berating me, like, dude, you got to do this.
• 6:31
  Speaker 2: This is, you know, like this is a really important.
• 6:33
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh God.
• 6:35
  Speaker 2: So I just looked up, I was just like, and I ate the rest of the hot dog.
• 6:39
  Speaker 2: And then we went on Pirates of the Caribbean.
• 6:42
  Speaker 2: There's like a 15-foot drop.
• 6:44
  Speaker 2: It's not like a big drop or anything, it's barely anything.
• 6:47
  Speaker 2: But I felt it.
• 6:48
  Speaker 2: I felt it and I was I can imagine.
• 6:51
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure every step was like a sloshing just effect going on in your stomach.
• 6:56
  Speaker 2: I was so close to making that sweet sweet water smell in the Pirates of the Caribbean ride not smell like that sweet sweet water smell in the Pirates of the Caribbean ride, did not smell like that sweet sweet water smell, but anyway, I survived the food, stayed down and got 12 inches deep.
• 7:14
  Speaker 2: Joey Chestnut would be proud.
• 7:15
  Speaker 2: Joey Chestnut would be proud.
• 7:17
  Speaker 2: Actually, I think that was right around the same day that they had the Nathan's.
• 7:21
  Speaker 2: Sorry, that was my phone.
• 7:23
  Speaker 2: I think that was the same day as the nathan hot dog thing.
• 7:26
  Speaker 2: Guys, enough of me.
• 7:28
  Speaker 2: Uh, I'm gonna throw it back to anthony.
• 7:29
  Speaker 2: Uh, what have you been up?
• 7:31
  Speaker 3: to sir.
• 7:32
  Speaker 3: Well, so it's only been what like like two whole days since we last recorded.
• 7:39
  Speaker 3: So I mean, since then I had finished up the convention.
• 7:45
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be honest with you, man, after, like you know, I guess, like waking up and like kind of recording, I kind of like chilled back and I almost did not make it that third day.
• 7:56
  Speaker 3: I just kind of wanted to like relax.
• 7:58
  Speaker 2: I knew that was going to happen.
• 8:01
  Speaker 3: But I did Well.
• 8:06
  Speaker 3: But the thing is is that I did end up going back to the convention, and I'm glad I did.
• 8:08
  Speaker 3: I did pick up a couple things.
• 8:09
  Speaker 3: I got a like a one piece, like little, uh, like a small, like, um, like messenger bag thing, and I got like this, um, this like final fantasy, uh, final fantasy nine a bento box and it came with with like a, an insulated bag that had like a chocobo on it.
• 8:28
  Speaker 3: It's really really cool, um, I got, I got.
• 8:31
  Speaker 3: I have to show you all.
• 8:32
  Speaker 3: I'll take a picture, or actually I have pictures.
• 8:34
  Speaker 3: I'll send it to you guys in a little bit.
• 8:36
  Speaker 3: But then I also walked around and I happened to see dakota's uh, best friend over there.
• 8:41
  Speaker 3: I have a.
• 8:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, dakota has a best friend over there I have a.
• 8:44
  Speaker 3: yeah, dakota has a best friend, you know, you know Dakota.
• 8:48
  Speaker 3: A little while back, dakota and I we had covered the acolyte and on his geek critique channel he had made a video about the acolyte pretty much saying, um, every time, every time the acolyte broke canon, but not really so, like you know, he's being ironic with it and dude, like hair in my mouth hated that I got interrupted by hair, um, and so you know a part.
• 9:18
  Speaker 3: I mean you, you were calling out like a couple of people, but like one of those people they that were in that group was uh, star wars theory and he was at the.
• 9:27
  Speaker 3: He was at the convention.
• 9:28
  Speaker 3: I saw his, his, um lightsaber booth.
• 9:30
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, saber theory.
• 9:31
  Speaker 3: I knew that that was his uh brand and I was like, okay, like I'm, and I was like wondering, I was like, oh, is he here?
• 9:37
  Speaker 3: And like he, I didn't see him.
• 9:39
  Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, like he just kind of popped up and I was like, oh, crap, there, crap, there goes Dakota's boy.
• 9:45
  Speaker 3: So you know, right then, and there, like right, when I text that, like was right, when I like noticed it, like almost immediately, I sent that message to you guys.
• 9:53
  Speaker 2: I just imagine like you're looking at his booth You're not seeing anyone and then you like turn around and you look down the aisle and it's just like in a black cape and kind of like that Rogue One scene where the saber just unsheathes, and it's just like, oh god, here we go.
• 10:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that I don't hate the guy.
• 10:14
  Speaker 3: I don't hate the guy.
• 10:14
  Speaker 3: I know you don't.
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: I think right now the grift has taken him to places he shouldn't go.
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: No, jedi should go, it's not his fault, and darth plagues was right there watching him.
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: So would.
• 10:31
  Speaker 3: Would you say that he had taken a hold of the red kryptonite?
• 10:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, or red kyber crystal, which?
• 10:38
  Speaker 3: Would be like the star warriors equivalent of red kryptonite the red kyber night.
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely the red kyber night.
• 10:44
  Speaker 3: I like that, uh, no.
• 10:46
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, that was, that was interesting, uh.
• 10:49
  Speaker 3: But yeah, no, I I I had a, I had a good time, man, I always have a good time.
• 10:54
  Speaker 3: I, you know, met up with some friends and and hung out, I kind of I got back into, well, I I showed you that I had gotten back into, uh, magic, the gathering, and I I I sent you a picture of that, that titus card that I have oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think you did yeah, so so, yeah, I have like a final fantasy 10 deck and a final fantasy 14 deck and so I had gotten some, um, like a magic deck box oh, that's right, because they had, uh, they had that final fantasy deck box.
• 11:26
  Speaker 3: Oh that's right, because they had, uh, they had that final fantasy, yes, pack that came out.
• 11:28
  Speaker 3: They, they brought me in, but I, I only play, I only play um a version of the game called commander.
• 11:33
  Speaker 3: It's like a multiplayer version of magic it's like a four player right, right, right.
• 11:37
  Speaker 3: You can play like four or five, six players, like you could play with a bunch of people, the.
• 11:42
  Speaker 3: But the more you add, the more time you're adding to that because, like I used to play standard, I know you like dude.
• 11:48
  Speaker 3: You remember I used to like play magic back in the day.
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: It's just standard got too much, it's too expensive, the rotations are terrible.
• 11:57
  Speaker 3: But with commander you can play old cards there's yeah it's a lot friendlier and and easier in the pocket.
• 12:04
  Speaker 3: So I was sold.
• 12:05
  Speaker 3: And then final fantasy came out with commander decks and I was like, yeah, I'm in, especially that final fantasy 10 one.
• 12:10
  Speaker 3: But dude, you and I we were.
• 12:12
  Speaker 3: We were like crazy for final fantasy 10 back in the day.
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I was sold on that one they, uh, they recently announced a avatar the last airbender.
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, uh, set, that's coming out later this year and it looks really cool because the I mean it looks cool because it's avatar.
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: But, um, the first card that they showed uh at the of, you know, like, when they first announced it, was a drawing from uh brian konyetsuko, which is one of the two creators of the original series.
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: So he's still doing art for avatar and he's still doing like, original art for, or he's starting to do, original art for, this magic set, which is awesome.
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: You know, like that they're bringing in not just like their own group of artists to work on, you know, avatar, the last airbender, but they're actually bringing the original artists as well yeah, yeah, no, I I agree it's.
• 13:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man, it it's.
• 13:07
  Speaker 3: It's been a good time.
• 13:09
  Speaker 3: But, yeah, having going to to super con, I don't know.
• 13:13
  Speaker 3: Like I remember last year they had some sort of partnership going on with uh crunchy roll, because they had like this crunchy roll kind of section upstairs and they're the the like badges had like different anime, and then the press pass actually had like the crunchy roll um, the mascot, uh, uh, crunchy roll Hime, and so, like this year it didn't have that, it was more of like just like Miami kind of Miami vibes.
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: The press pass one was like, uh, like one of those like you know, cuban cafe, like walk-ups that you would go to in miami, or uh, there was like a gator on one, a beach chair on another, like kind of like you know, like south florida vibes.
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: That's what it was.
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: So I don't know if, like, they didn't have like a I mean they have sponsors, but like I don't think like a major one like crunchyroll was or partnership, but I mean, I still, I still had a good time, man, you know, they, they there's always like really cool, like places to like hang out when you, when you don't want to walk around anymore.
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: They had this like whole uh kind of dnd slash, like I guess piratey vibe going on in one of the ballrooms and like they had some events going on there.
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: And another room was like one of the the.
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: It was like a game room, so like they had a bunch of like pcs and then like consoles all the way from, like you know, back in the day, like super nintendo, all the way up to you know, ps5 and stuff, so that that's always fun.
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like whenever I need to like take a break from like walking around.
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: Um, like, I'll go to like one of those rooms, or you know, if there's not like a panel that I want to go see.
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, you, you know, uh, your girl, your girl, billy piper was there my girl yeah, your girl.
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the bad wolf doctor I've.
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: I've never met her, I thought.
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: I thought his girl was madame, what do you mean?
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: you knew her for years, dakota my, my girl is whoever, whoever, whoever I said no, but yeah, billy piper was there.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: Uh, christopher eccleston was there too that's awesome yeah, so yeah, yeah, I thought that was interesting.
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: I, I feel like I would have cared a little bit more if I was a bit more invested in doctor who, like I, it's just like that that high for me with doctor who just like went away and I would say like kind of towards the end of of uh capaldi, and then after that like I just fell off completely, like I just felt like I was watching something different.
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: But you know I digress, you know I I'm gonna move on from uh convention talk and I'm going to curveball it over to rich I'm actually.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: I'm actually going to make a little bridge here and then I'm going to circle it back and then we'll get it to the show.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: So bridge the tickets.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: My son and my wife are going to go to.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: Charlie and Lauren are going to AnimeCon here in New York.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: I think it's in August.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: The tickets just came in, so they'll actually be going.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: So in a couple of weeks I'll give you guys updates on their costumes.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: I know that they're going, as I believe, characters from Dragon Ball, but I have to double check this.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: He somehow convinces my wife to actually cosplay.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: That's cool, though.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: That's fun yeah so it's the one I don't go with them.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: So the report afterwards will be a little bit weird.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: I'll get, like some, some second hand from charlie.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: But and then, uh, to circle it back to your hot dog story, uh, and to kind of layer in a little bit of baseball, as anthony always loves, uh, tuesday is a five dollar dog night at city field.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: I could not believe it.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: Could not believe it last night, uh, we went there and there was, it was basically sold out.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: It was sold out.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: It was a nightmare.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: I walked in and immediately before I got to the seats, I got hot dogs.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: And just went to the seats because I knew, uh, by the end, by like the fifth inning, there were like 75 people deep in the food lines trying to get hot dogs.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: But, um, I did get four hot dogs, I did eat them without a problem.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: And then, uh, as we were leaving, my wife said you know, thank you, because it was just us.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: It was kind of like a date night, you know.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: She's like you know, thanks for dinner.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: And I was like, uh, you got two hot dogs, like that's not, I'm not, I'm not taking, you know.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: And she was like but I had, you know they were good and I had a good time.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: And I said that I felt I'm not sure if I felt shame for having somehow lowered my wife's standard so much that she was thankful to have two hot dogs in the mess game, um, or immense pride that I have I have done this.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure which one it is.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: It's's probably a bit of both, yeah, but I'll tell you my thoughts on this movie are not a bit of both.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: So maybe we want to launch into this.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Let's do it, guys.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: 20 minutes into the pod.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Let's cover Superman the movie.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: Should we fly into it?
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Let's start slow.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: We'll just leap over tall buildings for the, for the, you know start of this.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: All right, folks, christopher Reeve, he's the first that really made people think that, you know, a man could fly.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: This isn't a joke, this isn't like I'm not laying up you, you, you both look like I'm about to say something really funny.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: I'm just, I'm just starting to get into the conversation of of all this.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: What did, what did we think of the beginning of this movie, because there's a lot of preamble before we actually even get to the man of steel uh not necessarily the movie, but you know the, the guy in the the red cape.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Uh rich, we'll start with you.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: You seem to have the most to say about this all right, look, I have not seen this movie in a very long time.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: I have, I don't, I would.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to say I have like encyclopedic knowledge, but I do have a good working knowledge of most superhero movies.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Uh, I have a, you know, like batman 89, although I was, uh, I think I was seven when I received that for christmas that year or something like that, or the next year.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: I think I got it in 90.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: You know, I, I watched that tape till it was, you know, I mean, just bare and could barely play anymore this one.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: So the what is it?
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: 45 minutes before we get to adult, uh, clark is I was not prepared for that.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: You know, like every minute that passed, I'm like all right, we're gonna move it along here, folks, and and okay, so I'm not even sure if I should keep going.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: I, I, the scenes on krypton were mind-boggling to me.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: So I don't understand, like richard donner, you couldn't get, I don't know, 200 freaking kids and adults of varying ages to make me feel like Krypton is a planet that is actually dying and about to explode.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Instead, it's like the council people.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Like they're like oh no, and it's like a bunch of old dudes and like it's like they get their just desserts right, like the council does, because they didn't listen to uh Jor-El, uh, who is a little full of himself, but you know, whatever, uh, uh, he does seem to get turned on really quickly like, hey, I just helped you guys.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: You know, lock up the worst three people in the history of krypton.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: It's like three weeks later, if you do this, you shall be bad.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Like what are you what?
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: The lack of faith in him?
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Like hey, look, I know they have to do a lot of backstory, they'd have to do a lot of exposition, but maybe you don't even need to make it this complicated.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Maybe you don't have to make it that complicated, because I don't, it's, it is it is a lot, and it's not even just exposition for this movie.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: It's exposition for the sequel?
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: yeah, because you need to have that's.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: It's like the only reason you have this odd scene right is so that you know they're they're front loading the zod stuff for the second movie.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now, I I do agree that while I didn't dislike it, I I actually was really intrigued by all of it.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I love the.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Uh, I love like the 60ies and seventies, like campy futuristic, like sci-fi world.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Flash Gordon like old doctor who I love that stuff, it just.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: I just I like how they're like clothing, look like something out of Tron too Like, or Tron would have gotten that from this movie.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: I'm actually a little confused about how they did that.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Like what?
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: What kind of material was that?
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Where was?
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: so shiny like it was so reflective.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a foil, almost.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Uh, that's crazy.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Um, you, you know what effect that I like that was like kept years later was, um, when general zod ursa and non that they, when they were sent to the Phantom Zone, that same effect.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: They use that in later Superman stuff and they use it in Smallville, remember, when he gets sent to the Phantom Zone, and it's literally that same effect of them in in like a flat, just a flat dimensional surface.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: I like that.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: That's like just been used, like that thing has not been updated at all.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Can I just say like the Phantom Zone is the hardest sound Like.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: It's like the most metal descriptor for like a prison ever, like the you're going to the phantom zone like it sounds cool, you know, you know like and it's also it's even worse than like a regular prison too.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: So, yes, like there's no escape yeah, it's, it's uh, it's a good time in there, but somehow they they do escape.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know we'll have to get to that eventually, but for now this is all exposition, and there's a lot of exposition because it doesn't end there.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: We see quite a bit of Clark flying through the cosmos, going to Earth.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: We get a lot of him in Smallville like a surprising amount, like more than I remembered.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Again, this is a movie that I haven't seen in at least 10 to 15 years.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: My wife had never seen it, so that means it's got to be at least 15 years since I had seen it last, because I would have seen it with her.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: So that was something.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: So, again, a lot of this was new, new enough for me that, like, this revisit, uh was was worth doing at this time.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: So I'm I'm happy that we, we did it and, uh, to weigh the scales a little bit, like as far as like what richard donner did for, um, all the front loading of, you know, the backstory of superman.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: This is, for many people, their first introduction to superman.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: You know, like, in the 21st century we've had a number of, we have had like four or five shows at this point.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: We've had multiple cartoons, we've had multiple different uh actors play him on the big screen and we know the story.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: We don't need to be told the story again and that's why they don't do it in 2025.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: But this is the first major time that this is being shown for audiences and I have I never met my great-grandfather on my father's side, but I have a nice story from him because he went to go see this movie, basically like the scene where he catches lois falling off the daily planet building and then catches the the helicopter.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: My grandfather told me like he looked over and he saw my great grandfather crying, uh, and like this is the guy who you know left Star Wars the year prior and said garbage.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: So I don't know this man, I've never met him in my life, but knowing that this touched him in a way deep down is something that I'll always think of when I'm thinking about this movie.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: And I think of him and the idea of him when I think of the front loading of all this information because, like I doubt he's that he had ever picked up a comic book.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: You know, he, you know, lived in.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: He lived in puerto rico his whole life until he came to, uh, brooklyn or whatever, but yeah.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: So this was his first introduction to superman, so he needed all that backstory.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Maybe not as much as we were shown, but I think it's kind of cool that, like, you get the entire truncated history of you know cal allen clark camp before you get to, uh, superman.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I was a little bit like skewed almost by watching obviously what we did last week, uh, because you know they didn't do any lot of that.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: And obviously I mean I'm also a guy who you know I read volume't do any lot of that.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: And obviously I mean I'm also a guy who, you know I read volume two of Wolverine completely.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: And there was a certain point where I was like if this Wolverine guy tells me what his power set is, one more gosh darn time I'm going to lose it.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: You know I'm like I'm Wolverine, I got you know, and he would kind of repeat it at the beginning of each comic.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: I guess as an avid fan, sometimes it was a little bit much and maybe that's.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I still think I'm not wrong about the Krypton part being kind of poorly written.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think that you get the feeling that, like, because I don't think the suffering of Krypton is truly captured and that could have just been one room with like a camera that just went sideways, which they had.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: They literally had this.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Just get extras off the street to, you know.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: So it's not just like old dudes falling over, like it.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: I want I hate to say this, but like you need to see other children.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Not I don't need to see them die on camera, but what I'm saying is like clark got an opera, sorry, kal-el got an opportunity, and does he?
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: He also says it a little bit weird here is it just me?
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: He doesn't say kal-el, he says kal-el.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Look like I don't know.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: He says it kal-el yeah, yeah he says it a little bit and in a way, well, whatever, that's just me just being super picky, but I just feel like there was a way to demonstrate that like he's truly krypton's last hope, right, and but, but that there were also others that could have possibly, you know, that are that are suffering, there are other children there that will never be able to live their life out, and I think that that's a super important part of us knowing about how krypton, what happens to krypton, and that kind of loss, uh, so that that was just a little bit puzzling to me, you know, and I'm and I'm really watching it, I am trying to watch it with a.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: This was 1978 and there, and I'm going to say this, and, despite the fact that I'm going to trash it later on and I'm going to throw it over to anthony, but I, I still appreciate this as what I truly feel is like the grandfather of these movies, right, without Superman, we don't get.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think we get a Batman, you know, I don't get with, I don't get.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: We think we get some of the other ones that come after this.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: So, like it's not perfect and I'm gonna, I'm gonna trash it, but at the same time like thank you for this being a thing, because if not, I don't think we got to watch what we did last week fair enough, I'm gonna send it over to anthony.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: How do you feel about, uh, the, the opening of this movie, or like how trippy it is, or anything?
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: What?
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: What is your heart deemed to to say about this?
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: no, I, I agree that you know that this was.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: You know we we had and you said we had a portrayal, or we've had portrayals of Superman prior to this, but I'm going to feel like this is this Superman is like the first, like real modern take on Superman and I feel like the that beginning was needed.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: You know that you know a lot of people who do know about, you know, superman and him being from Krypton.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: You know they still didn't see, you know they didn't really see stuff like that on the screen, you know.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: So, even if there, this was something that somebody knew, you know about Krypton being destroyed and him and Superman being sent to to earth, earth.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: You know it's still something that like, even as a fan, like it's, it's cool to see, right, so I don't, I don't have any issues.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Uh, I give grace to, to, to them, especially with casting.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, that was like back in the day, dude.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Like you know, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna really like rip them for not having enough people on Krypton.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: But you got Marlon Brando.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: You just you know, like if you had enough to pay, that's enough man.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: They paid Brando and Hackney If they only had, if they only had Jor-El and Lara and Kal-El.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: That's it, man.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: That's all we needed, bro.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: That's all we needed, bro.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: That's all we really needed.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: No, but it was cool seeing the whole Phantom Zone effect and seeing General Zod get sent away, and that pretty much being a setup for after this sequel.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: And I did like you said.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: It had been even longer than you, dakota, that I had seen this movie.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: I hadn't seen this movie in so long, so it was almost like watching it for the first time again.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: You know, like you have like maybe faint flashes, but nothing concrete to really be like.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I remember that, you know.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, I was.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: I was pleasantly surprised to see how long they stuck it out in in smallville and I didn't even remember that that like lana was in this.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: So I was like, oh wow, lana was in this too.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: So it was, it was cool, it I?
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: I thought it was like a cool, like setup.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: It sure it took like a chunk of the beginning of the movie, but I feel like, for the time of what and for what came before, that it was necessary all right, all right, so we finally get to, or I guess, uh, we, we have to go back a little bit.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: We have an 18-year-old Clark go, you know, after Jonathan Kent dies, he gets the calling from the crystals, I guess, that are in the shed to go find a place where he can call his Fortress of Solitude, and he does, and basically he goes into this like 12 or 13 year uh retreat where he just learns about the, the wonders of the universe, which is kind of cool, I guess.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Um, but I don't know why it needed to be 12 years.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: uh, maybe just was it 12 years yeah, I mean it seemed like it was.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: I think that's fairly accurate.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: It was a long study session.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: He made so many flash cards yeah, 12 years, that's interesting so that's the you know like.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: I mean I I did like.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: The journey now is he is that crystal?
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: I'm confused because he carries a crystal with him from the barn that was, uh, you know, with his other, with his like ship uh, it's a little confusing.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I don't think that that is kryptonite it's just like one of those, those like information crystals, that yeah, okay all right, because it's just weird.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: And then, um, you know later, obviously kryptonite's used I I do have a question about that, but we're not quite there yet.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: But uh, I'm a little confused yeah, I do have some questions about that as well.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Uh, like some, some some leaps in judgment were made and I was hard.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: I was having a hard time following um but I think there's just that smart guys um no, no, I, I, yeah there.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: There were a couple times that they they lost me going back to that like I'm I'm thinking about it like and why he needed to be.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: He needed to like study for like 12 years christopher, because christopher reeve looked 12 years older than the other guy.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Maybe, maybe, I don't even know.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: I think it's actually more symbolic because I think a lot of these movies have, you know, equated Superman with like a Messiah figure he's very often attributed with like Jesus, like being on the cross or whatever.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of vision, visionary stuff like that in both Superman Returns and man of Steel Not so much the Superman 2025, but there is a lot of the.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm sending my son to help the people of Earth like Messiah themes in this movie as well.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: So I think it's interesting that they waited until he was 30 before he started actually saving lives.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: And if you equate that to jesus, he got baptized at 30 and that's when he began his earthly ministry.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: So I think that's kind of that's what I'm interpreting the the rationale for him, like for them choosing 30 to be the age that he started being Superman.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I think it's kind of a fun little parallel.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Ultimately, it's just, you know, comparing and contrasting two different, you know things, but I think it's a fun little nod if that's actually what they were intending.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so he becomes Superman.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: He immediately goes over to the Daily Planet and he apparently is a fantastic typer.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: He's the fastest typer Perry White's ever seen.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: So he immediately gets hired on.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: What are we thinking about?
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: The Daily Planet and the inter inner machinations of a late 70s newspaper how it's run I, so I, I, I buy this, um, this worked for me really well.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Uh, you know, I thought, uh, the actor it was probably like one of the best sets, actually, like it was the most like lively and like energetic, like realistic corporate vibe thing.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: That's that's in this movie.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I thought that.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I thought they did a really good job with the daily planet, you know, just show floor the the planet was great.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: I thought perry was great.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Um, I like jimmy, uh.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: I like lois, uh, I don't, and I mean it's 1978, right, so I'm trying to watch this through a chime prism.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: But I mean, lois lane is supposed to be the best reporter on staff and man perry really gets out of her about her spelling like two times, like within the first, like 10 minutes.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: He's like he's like come on lane.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Uh, he's like you know, rapist has one p, not two, uh, which is and and I know it's meant to make him sound like a jerk, but I think it's a little bit in 2025 okay, because obviously in 1970 to had cf78, to have a female journalist be, you know, really kind of the best one on the paper and everything is, is a big deal right.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: So it's almost like they had to kind of juxtapose I mean not juxtapose it, but they had to undermine her a little bit, I don't know.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Uh, that's the only thing, because she I don't, I don't take it that way, I just think it's comedic relief you know like she's such a good reporter.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: She's such a good reporter that she's not actually she's.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: She's doing her job, she just needs, you know, someone to edit her her work because, go ahead and have a banter I think so for me.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, as an english guy, right like you want to cut me deep, right like you want to, you would come at my grammar syntax or something like that.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: So I I guess, as somebody who aspired to be a sports journalist and cares about my writing and is very, I'm very careful through the revision process and everything that I do with my writing.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: When he attacked her, I felt it deep.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I was like bro in front of other people, like you did that, like she's your top girl, like what are you doing?
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: well, I think, like in the scene right before, she asked like how many t's are in this word or how many uh, so like she's conscious of the fact that she's a terrible speller.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Um, even if she is a good reporter.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: So I got it my field.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: We haven't actually seen how good of a reporter she is, but, um, well, actually we do.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: We do kind of get uh a little bit of that I mean, she does expose the world, she unveils what she it's.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that she couldn't have known whatever right, that anything was going to come of it, because he's obviously the only one you could think of right, but just like, oh, what's the one thing that he can't see through?
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Lead right and it immediately gets written in.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I do like they do some foreshadowing stuff where, like, even if it's like the most, like the littlest amount they could possibly do, but like pa kent's, like you know he's going to work on the car.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Hey, pa, don't, don, don't forget.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: You know your heart and then everything's good for like 14 years and then like that one day, you know, but like I was like wait, she did say something by the car.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: So in that way, you know, her exposing that, I mean, was important to the story, because then it plays up really, you know, importantly in the plot later importantly in the plot later.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Uh, throwing it over to anthony, what did we think of the banter between lois and superman when he showed up on uh, their balcony, because I did not remember this being as raunchy as it was I like pink yeah, yeah, I was like really surprised.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh okay, all right, clark, like you know what's going on here, like he, he was uh really like tapping into, um, into, uh, you know that that young clark kind of vigor, something that that like would have happened in, maybe, uh, smallville, you know she had no reservations in asking what color are my underwear and he had no reservations in checking, like that's the craziest thing in a superman movie I think that's ever happened.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: You know, like he literally turns back time, but the craziest thing is that he had no problems looking at it.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Um you, you know, actually, speaking of that, that so that scene was, you know, actually speaking of that that.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: So that scene was like you know, it was really odd and and obviously, like you know, when they're up flying the, the physics of that was like so weird.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: And I know that it's a 1970s movie, but the physics was so weird Cause it was almost like Peter Pan, like but it's like did he extend the flight to her.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: Does she have flight now?
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Because, like, there's no way unless, like he's going super fast, that she's going to be staying alongside him and if he's going super fast, like she would be getting dragged.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: You know, Like how is she perfectly like, off to his side, holding his hand, like that you know it's like a waiter right.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: Like running with the trailer right, like as long as, uh well, he was holding her hand, like he wasn't even holding her like from the bottom, you know, or like from like her torso.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: So I always thought I was like I was watching, I was like, hmm, that's interesting.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: But you know, it's it's, it's an old movie.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: So like I, I give it grace for that.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: But like, if they did something like that nowadays, I would have been like, you know, we would be tearing it up like dude, like how did that happen?
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: Does she magically fly now?
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: But yeah, but it was kind of like a classic Clark and Lois kind of or Superman and Lois kind of thing.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: It was a visually pleasing scene.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Though it was a nice magical moment, I do get the Peter Pan vibes that you're you know you're expressing Like he offered her some pixie dust and while he was holding her hand she's capable of flight.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: She is, you know, you hear it now Lois Lane can fly.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, they even said.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: They even like literally said like Peter Pan, right, like it's almost like they.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: They mentioned it like you know.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: She's like can I fly with you?
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: You know like you fly with me?
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: And then she's like what are you just some like peter pan?
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, so, like it's almost like they set it up for it to be very wendy and peter like uh, before it even happened, yeah because she I mean she falls.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: I mean she falls for him in what like seven and a half minutes and then she starts thinking.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: I thought the disembodied voice of her, like asking him if he can read her mind while they were in the air was a little.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: I had completely forgotten about that part.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: But she's like does he know what he does to me?
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: You know like it gets even more raunchy this movie is so trippy.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: This movie is so trippy.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: This movie is so trippy from the moment we're on krypton and, like all those people, are like being superimposed, falling out of the you know down the cracks this guy it was.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: I was like whoa, um, and then you know all the uh, all the effects is like baby clark flew over to to earth, like the, the solar flares and like the, the stardust that he has to fly through and everything it's.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: It's just, it's really cool, like they had, they had a floating baby upside down for a couple scenes.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of really clever and fun ways that they were, you know, taking this movie and I think the narration of Lois is just an extension of that and I turned to my wife while I was watching it because at that moment I kind of realized what was happening and I actually was very pleased by it because this is essentially the first superhero blockbuster ever.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: There had been like Cape movies before this, but they were usually like straight to TV or whatever.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: This was the first blockbuster superhero movie.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: So there was no structure ingrained in the culture of like what you need to show, what you need to do to make a good superhero movie, because there wasn't a good superhero movie before this.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: This was the first real blockbuster um, in that vein.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: So it wasn't constrained by the format and, you know, like the blueprint that we have for pretty much every superhero movie that that follows it.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: These days, you know, like we we always, you know, kind of talk about like maybe not on this podcast, but it's constantly brought up that Marvel is formulaic.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: But how does that formula evolve?
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: It has to start somewhere and this is the start of that formula.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: This is the blueprint to everything else that came after it.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: And Rich, you mentioned earlier in the show, you're grateful for this movie.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: I'm grateful for this movie in a similar way, in the sense that, like this is what an unchained superhero movie looks like.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Like there's no boundaries for, like what they can and can't do.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: They're just having fun with it and, uh, what works works really well and what doesn't work is just kind of like, all right, it's still pretty cool because it's Superman.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: You know, like I don't know, I kind of dig it.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: I won't lie.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: I on one side.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: I love the antagonists, I love all three of them.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: I love Miss Tessmacher, I love Lex.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: I know he's, you know not bald and everything.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry I can.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: He's not bald and everything.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry I can't remember Mr Otis, and Otis is just a treasure.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, luther is bald, he just wears a wig.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's right, okay yeah yeah, he is bald, yeah, I remember he rips it off.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, gene hackman is just perfect.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: It's, he's diabolical, but you'll love him.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Right, like it's weird, like he's not scary to children, right, he's not like that imposing, right, like he's not like, uh, he's, he's not gonna give you nightmares, right, but like the man will like, push a button that pushes a dude in front of a train.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: And I loved, loved the underground Grand Central, that he has his own swimming pool down there and then the tiles.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: The coolest set of all time.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: It's got to be like the coolest, like villain's lair ever, ever and as a kid like growing up in new york city and you know I used to play like obviously like into zelda and stuff and I remember like waiting for like the subway and like looking and being like oh, it's kind of like a zelda dungeon, you know and you know there's like hundreds and hundreds of rooms and caverns underneath new york that are just abandoned and you will never see the light of day.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: So it's believable.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: You know, like we know, that those places do exist.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: We know that there are abandoned uh, you know whole train stations and that that just exists under the city that are not visitable anymore.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: And even when he says to mr smucker.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: He's like what more could you want a park avenue address?
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: And she's like 300 feet below the surface, you know, and it's just, uh, and I know it's supposed.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Look, I know that the conceit here is that they're in new york and not really like they, like it's almost admitted that they I mean he says park avenue, right, I guess it could be metropolis park avenue, right, uh, but you know, there is the kind of I mean anybody who's been to grand central, I think well, well, it is like it is new york, like everything in in in the city is new york.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: They got the statue of liberty there.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: They got um, like all the streets are named as new york streets.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: They they go to grand central, it's grand central.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: And like all the all the stops around the train station, like yeah, that was cool.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: I was like, hey, that's the two stops for me yeah, so it's like it.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: It's clear they clearly just renamed new york for for this movie, um, and that that kind of works, because metropolis is based off of new york yeah, pretty much, you know you know a lot about new york, anthony do I you live here for six months or so.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that that's uh, that was enough time to um barely know how to to leave the street that that I was living on in the surrounding area um no, I mean yeah, I did uh like kind of figure out how to you know, it wasn't too hard to get into the city via train and you know something that like you.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: You just don't like that.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: That's like not a thing here in south florida.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: Like we do have metro rails and stuff and there is like trains and stuff, but you know it's not like.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: You know we're living.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: You know like like for you it'd be like you know, south of miami you're not hopping on a train to get into miami.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: You know it's a bus or uber up into a certain point and then maybe hopping onto the Metrorail.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: But yeah, that digress from the thing.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on the villains?
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: How do you feel that they compare to more recent outings?
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Because actually Otis and Miss Tessmacher are in the new movie.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Miss Tessmacher is the one who's taking the selfies and Otis is the black gentleman in the background of all the Lex Luthor scenes like pulling the levers and stuff.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: So they are still with us in spirit.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: I definitely liked Lex in this one a lot.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: He had that classic villain vibe going on.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: He had his own layer and stuff.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: But I did like him a lot.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: It was a classic Lex Luthor and I thought that the performance was solid.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: It was really good.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: I know that you know, like his knowledge of you know kind of superman and like his weaknesses and all that stuff were, you know, I guess kind of compressed a little bit, it was probably the biggest plot hole for me, um, in terms of like how he could have possibly determined that a crystal from his home world would have the opposite effect on him right um that was a little bit that was my thing kind of.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: I was like wait, was this explained?
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: Did I miss it?
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: I thought I missed it.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: It was not.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: I thought I missed it and I was hoping that you guys.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: I watched it a second time and I'm like I missed it again, so I was hoping that you guys would fill me in because he's like and of course, as you know, kryptonite's gonna harm him and it's like, and he's like, and you know, he immediately puts the lead together, you know, and he's like, I just gotta fight, you know, and I'm just wow, okay, the lead was was explained you know that was explored nicely they did a good job.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: They, they could have figured out.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: There's so much preamble in this movie before he becomes superman.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: They could have spent 30 seconds just, uh, figuring out.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: You know, like, how to incorporate kryptonite slightly before this moment so that, like, not only the audience but also, you know, luther can discover what his weakness is, because his weakness isn't lead or the color, apparently a piece of kryptonite that he was able to quickly make into a giant pendant, which I thought was also awesome, like it was.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: It was a cool pendant.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're gonna drown, drown in style you'll attach a giant chain yeah, I actually really like that prop.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: I think that was a really cool little little piece of prop there also.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: This just reminds me, this movie reminds me once again that it's never a good idea to take a helicopter yeah, there seems to be a lot of helicopter like act.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: I think it's just so fun to watch helicopters explode and crash and stuff um I mean in real life it is it's?
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: it's like very harrowing, but on screen it's so visually appealing, um, and there's actually, like you know, there have like been actors who have died in helicopter accidents, um, while filming.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not gonna go there, it's.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: It gets pretty gruesome, like what happens to some of these like actors who don't make it because of helicopter accidents, uh, while filming.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: But I think just the idea of a helicopter being a dangerous thing, it's just like a spinning swords in the sky, you know, like that that carry you, it's, it's, it's cool it's crazy but.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: I I thought that the effects there were really cool.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: Uh, I thought that that worked really well and honestly, christopher reeve, I mean what a great job of playing two different characters like just a real, like, even when he seems like he's going to tell lois at one point, and he's very confident he's got his glasses off and then she walks in, he puts the glasses on and his tone changes and he's just very meandering in his speech pattern and it's just chef's kiss, like.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Honestly, it was just amazingly well done.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: I thought that I can't remember the new actor's name.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think that that his Superman portrayal is bad in any way, but there's something about Christopher Reeve as Superman.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: That's just this, I don't know this imposing, regal, graceful figure and then when he's Clark, he shrinks into himself right it's actually like um, I've heard it described as one of the best visual effects ever put on film is is that ability for him to just gain like four inches by straightening up his back, taking off his glasses and becoming an entirely different person.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Because as soon as he like hunches back down and starts like getting all gangly and like tripping over himself, it's a completely different performance.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: He's playing two different roles so perfectly and, yeah, that's, that's a great scene.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: I'm going going a little bit back, uh to um, the, the physics of him holding up lois, as well as uh, going, you know, and him catching the helicopter and everything.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: You would think that, like, when he catches the helicopter, even if you know he's extremely strong, the weight of the helicopter would like have him pivot a little bit.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: And I'm wondering about, like a line that his mother on Krypton says to Jor-El Earth's gravity won't affect him.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: And it's almost as if like, like or he'll be able to like take control of the gravity.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: It's almost as if he's playing with the laws of gravity whenever he touches something.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: And I think that's how they treat, you know, like the way that he is able to like lift stuff and like move stuff in flight with no issues, because as soon as he lets go of lois, that's when she falls like she loses that touch on his touch on gravity, basically so I don't know, I don't, I don't.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: I, that's how I interpreted it, but I could be just, you know, reading logic where there isn't anthony.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts?
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: I think that's a.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: I think that's a cool theory.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: You know that he's got a flight touch yeah, I think, because he kind of does like as soon as, like as soon as he grabs anything, like he could just start flying.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: You know, like it's, it's not an impediment to him yeah, man, it's, it's definitely.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: This movie is definitely a a product of its time, though, like you can tell that it's an old movie what did we think of luther's plan to make more land, or like get like, uh, not necessarily make more land, but like make his land more valuable bastardly, uh, you know, uh, kind of ridiculous and far.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: I mean the man he currently lives in in a subway station, essentially right, and he's like, like you know, he got, he's like my first move.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: You know what my first move is gonna be I'm gonna get out of this stinking joint and make my own country like what, like it's, but but, uh, it's absurd in a perfect way, right, uh, it's it's.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: You know, there's no incremental like improvement of himself.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: It's like I'm gonna go right for this, you know, and I think that's uh, so it's, you know, and I loved even how, you know, he was smart enough to shoot two, two nuclear warheads in different directions so that Clark wouldn't have any time.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: And I was down, right, because I don't remember it's been a long time.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: So I saw all of them, right, but they're like a mishmash, right.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: So I see I'm like, hey, lois, you might want to get a crevasse, that's, that's not looking great, right.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: And then it starts closing on her.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, oh, what Does Lois die?
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: I was floored by the first movie.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like it was, it was pretty crazy.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: So I, you know, I thought that that he was his plan worked, right.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: I mean Superman, big cheated.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's no two ways about it.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: Like Luther did not know that if Superman ran backwards fast enough, he could.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, not backwards, right?
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Is he actually running backwards or just runs the other?
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: way.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: He's flying in the opposite direction of the rotation of the earth to the point where he spins the earth the other way.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: Anthony, what were your thoughts when Lois was dying or died?
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: I like I knew, because I knew that she was like in the later movie, so I knew something was gonna happen.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: I just don't remember exactly what it was.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: So the fact that, like he had flown I think I kind of remembered that he flew back, you know the to turn back time, like he had flown in the opposite direction of the rotation and and so like I mean that's very much so like a comic book thing to do, you know, like oh, we don't have any time machines, but yeah, let's just move the rotation of the earth in the other direction so we can turn back time yeah, I like, I like the visualization of him flying around the earth.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: I think it's a really cool effect.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: I just find that, uh, every every other time that he's flying it looks very slow, you know, like he's just kind of like meandering through the screen.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: It's never like a fast zip across the the footage.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: And well, most of the time he is.
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: But I feel like in the time that, like with the whole nuclear thing, he could have definitely gotten both of those easily, like with how fast he was moving yeah, oh yeah, he could have gotten both of those easy but yeah, with the other ones I'll give it like.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: You know he's just kind of chilling.
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: He's flying.
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: You know he's on his little.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: You know flying date doesn't want to break lois's neck by moving that fast but yeah, if he can move the planet backwards and turn back time, he had enough time to stop those nukes he's kind of like santa claus in a way.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: You know, like he, he's able to be at many places at once does he have a?
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: list.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: He had to have had a list, or at least like he's got really good hearing, I guess.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: So, you know, he goes to the san andreas fault, which, by the way, goes all the way down california, and he just starts like fixing things and he just he fixes everything except except, you know, like saving his girlfriend.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, that was that was crazy.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: I it seems to me that I have have the best memory of this movie of the three of us, so I must have watched it most recently, or it must have made a bigger impact on just me, because I do remember this scene very well.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: I'm watching it with my wife, who's never seen the movie, and she goes wait, she doesn't die.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: I'm like first movie too.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: I'm playing it up like this, is it, you know?
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: Like lois lane's dead I.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: I was honestly on the next one like I know that she is.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: What's?
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: What was weird about it was it was just so, like you know, I have, you know, we know, margot kidder, right, she obviously, I mean even a family guy, like you know, she was in more than one superman, but man, they really got me.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: Uh, that I.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: I won't lie to you now.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: Has has superman in the comics ever done this?
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Has he turned back time just by flying backwards?
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: I don't have an answer for you.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: Um, I think that might just be a movie thing, because it doesn't make any sense.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, because it bothers me.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: The Flash has.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah the Flash.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know the Flash, but he runs backwards, doesn't he like run backwards in time?
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: Basically he has to run faster than the speed of light to break time and then he's able to choose where he wants to go.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: Yes, speed of light to break, okay, time, basically, and then he's able to like, choose where he wants to go.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know that superman was necessarily flying faster than the speed of light.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: Ah, maybe he was, technically yeah, I mean, maybe that's the tagline.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: I guess that would be like right, oh no, wait, faster than a locomotive, quicker than quicker than a speed of light.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: I've speeding, sorry yeah.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: No, you're good, you're good, yeah, so what did we think of this movie overall?
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: guys, it was an interesting you know I'm gonna, I'll be honest like if it weren't for this podcast, I probably wouldn't have revisited it.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: It wasn't something that was on my, my radar really, you know, like I've always, you know, been aware of it and kind of and remembered that I had seen it before and never really had the the desire to.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: But you know it was, it was a fun revisit and you know, I did have a good time.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: But, um, yeah, man, it's uh.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man, it's yeah, dude, superman.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Superman, rich.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: So I nitpicked a whole lot throughout this show.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: There are things that I strongly.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: I didn't like the exposition, I thought, but I guess maybe that's how you get Marlon Brando to be in it.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: Anyway, I didn't like some of the exposition parts, but I did love the casting.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: I thought christopher reeve's acting is unbelievable and I thought that uh, licks luther is fantastic.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: I was a otis and tess mucker.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: I liked the, the actual environment.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: I mean that might be new york base, uh based kind of stuff, but I really did find it to be perfect in that way.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, it caught me by surprise.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: I know, lois died, whoa, you know.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: And then he and I like how I do like how he kind of calmly puts her in his, in her place, and she's like you know, like you could have been helping out here, you know.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: And Jimmy's like, yeah, you just love the other side of the road, and he's like, yeah, you just left me on the side of the road and he's like I was taking care of some, you know.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: And she's like, oh, like, without him having to say anything.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: She's like, all right, I, you probably were, you know, and I I just think it so overall, like if this came out in you know 2025, I would just break it over the co, but it came out in 1978 and it paved the way, so I think it's historical viewing right.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to go out and say if you haven't seen this, you need to, but if you're a fan of the superhero genre, I think that this is definitely worth a watch to see where we've come from.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you like just to kind of like piggyback on christopher reeves portrayal of superman.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: He did do a really good job like he.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: He was a fantastic superman.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: He was also a really good clark kent like he.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: Like he made it believable that there were two different people like his, his portrayal, both like he.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: Like I was actually really impressed with how well he was like the nerdy guy tripping over himself in the Daily Planet.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: But then also this guy that's catching helicopters and defying gravity and extending flight control or flight powers to other people extending flight control or flight powers to other people.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: Of all the actors who've played a major motion picture superman you know I'm christopher reeve, brandon ruth, um, henry cavill and now david corn swept we've totally, totally paved the way in terms of like, how to play clark kent like he nailed and superman.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know that before what, before re-watching this, I honestly probably would have said he was the best clark kent, but now watching, I wouldn't have said that he was the best superman.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: Now that I've re-watched this, I almost he might be the best superman like.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: He's just so, like you said, regal, like it.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: It feels so natural for him to be superman.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: The suit fits him so well.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: He's not overly strong or bulky, he just takes every scene.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: You and I think that that's awesome.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: I actually really liked revisiting this movie.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: I feel like I probably view it most positively of the three of us just because I was just having such a fun time throughout it and I didn't.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: I don't have a lot of criticisms in terms of stuff that I would criticize movies nowadays for, but yeah, no, I I really think that this is a a fantastic movie regardless.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: You know, it's a visually beautiful movie.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: There's so much that you can just look at and enjoy about this movie.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: When it comes to like its actual relevance today, I think it is still relevant.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: Supposedly, apparently, kevin Feige before the start of every movie he sits with the director of said movie and watches Superman.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: That's cool.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: So that they can just experience it.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he does that for repeat directors or what, but I think it's kind of a cool concept that this is such a and I don't even know if that's a true story.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: It's something that he has claimed he's done, but people claim things all the time.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: I just think it's a.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: It clearly is still influential if it's influencing modern filmmakers today.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, if you haven't seen this movie, don't knock it.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: Definitely give it a watch.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: It's the start of much of what we know and love today.
• 1:06:42
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• 1:08:13
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