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  It's thirty eight. All bills can win in here, Wake puts it down.
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  The kick is on the way and dock m the bell good one?
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  How the hell that one home? How one? They were a party one
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  not party way? Incredible? Why not combat by my bell? Jacksonville's perfect
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  record on the line right here, quick kicking, look excited? Touchdown Kyle
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  Williams touchdound amazing, unbelievable. They puttied william Who's hats to full back and
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  he scores a touchdown. It's wealthier to face tackle. What's good? Folks,
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  Family, Friends, loved ones, Enemies, friend of Mees, Wizards,
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  which is Muggles, mud Bloods, people of Middle Earth. To a
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  Find the online menu in the episode show notes. Whether you're here on YouTube
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  or whichever podcasting app and or platform you are listening to this show on.
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  I am your host, Anthony. Find me on Twitter at pro Underscore Underscore
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  ant that's Pro two underscores a n T. In tonight's episode of Disguised Coverage,
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  I am joined by one of my favorite recurring guests here on the show,
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  who will be joining me in a short while to get into the state
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  of the Buffalo at the bye week. Here. I see a couple of
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  comments already coming through in the live chat. I'm going to reiterate this a
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  ton through the show, but questions, thoughts, comments, concerns. We're
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  always very engagement heavy here on Disguise Coverage, but especially in a bye week
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  episode where this team currently sits at an underwhelming six and six and tenth in
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  the playoff picture in the AFC, I really want to get as many thoughts
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  from you folks as possible. So anything and everything, whether it's on the
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  topics that myself and my guests will be you know, getting into tonight and
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  diving into, or if it's something that's on your mind, if it's positive
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  it's negative, if it's a review piece, if it's a thing for the
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  future, if it's something specifically for the bye week, coaching player on field,
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  off the field, anything and everything. I'm going to continue to reiterate
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  that message throughout the show. But anything and everything he got throwed up into
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  the chat. I like to make this episode, as we do all episodes
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  here, you know, very engagement heavy, but this one especially just given
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  the state of where this team is, where we are in the bye and
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  just yeah, there's specific topics we're we're going to get into tonight, specifically
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  you know, what to make of Sean McDermott evaluating von Miller. I feel
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  like both of those pieces, given where this team currently is and the loss
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  that they the kind of loss that they had against Philadelphia and coupled with the
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  losses that they've had this year, and then the performance for von Miller,
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  I think it's a good time to kind of, hey, you know,
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  have an evaluation conversation. But it comes to Sean McDermott, what his rest
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  of the season looks like, what his potential future looks like, what von
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  Miller has been this year, what he could be coming out of the bye
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  week, and just really getting into the nitty gritty of what he's actually been
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  based on the tape and based on some of the numbers. Then we're going
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  to dive into, you know, what needs to be improved slash what needs
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  to be fixed coming out of the bye week for the Buffalo Bills to make
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  the playoffs. Again, they're sitting at six and six. They are in
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  a muddy AFC. There is still, you know, all hope is not
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  lost for this team to make the playoffs. So they do have to clean
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  some things up, and then they're at a spot where they have to get
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  some help with the teams ahead of them, and having the hard schedule that
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  they have does not help. So it's going to be a really interesting piece
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  for this team going forward. And I see a bunch of comments in the
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  chat already. Like I said, you know, wanted to start bringing up
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  some of those pieces and continue to reiterate that message O again. Questions,
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  thoughts, comments, concerns, whatever your folks have in the chat, or
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  you know, for those of us joining live, thrown up in the chat,
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  whatever you got. Also, if you are so kind and or so
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  inclined, please drop alke on this video. It goes a sincerely long way
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  towards heping myself and the entire team to track and trend in front of more
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  eies and ears. So if you are here live or you're watching post live
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  and you're enjoying this content, or if you have enjoyed any of the content
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  ever, please please, please, and thank you drop alike on this video.
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  It's greatly appreciated, appreciated by myself and the entire team. Also,
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  somebody like downloaded this episode before it even went live, like a half hour
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  ago, so that's also terrible. So good times for that. I'm gonna
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  work backwards with some of the comments in the chat, so Pop's Mafia says,
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  So you're saying there's a chance, there's absolutely a chance. I don't
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  think there is any team we going to get into it as we go forward,
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  But I don't think there's any team left on this Bill schedule that the
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  Bills cannot beat. And you know, for as painful as that lost to
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  the Philadelphia Eagles was and still is, the Bills out played one of the
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  best teams in football for the heavy majority of the game. Now, there
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  is no moral victory and no silver lining within that, but the Bills are
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  a really good football team. The issue is they play down to certain teams,
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  they play up to certain teams, and you kind of don't know what
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  you're gonna get weak in and weak out. But this is the team that
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  absolutely can beat the Chiefs can beat the Cowboys, can beat the Chargers,
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  can beat the Pats, and can beat the Miami Dolphins. Like they easily
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  could win out and be eleven and six, and we'll see where that puts
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  them. So there's most definitely a chance. And I think that goes along
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  to Derek's question as well, saying can they make it? They absolutely can.
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  Now the road is not easy, and they've left themselves very little margin
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  for error. And again, like I mentioned before in the intro, not
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  only do I'm not gonna sit here and say that they have to win out,
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  but they probably should win out and then need help from the teams ahead
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  of them. Now some of them teams are going to start to play each
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  other, you know. You hope that the AFC North can kind of take
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  continue to take away some games from the Browns and from the Steelers. And
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  the Steelers schedule is kind of weak, and they do have a really good
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  defense, maybe they potentially sneak in still. But the Browns, even though
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  with their defense is tremendous, with the injuries they have on offense, you're
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  hoping they continue to drop some games. The Texans and the Broncos play each
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  other this week. It's crazy how that Broncos loss might now affect the playoffs
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  spot. There's so many things to go through, but yeah, they most
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  definitely can make it. Roy says Ant. How do you feel about Cmpunk's
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  return? Oh? Cm Punk is like such a kind of awful person,
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  it seems now. I did tune in last night to see what his speech
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  was gonna be on RAW, and I'm hoping they really lean into him being
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  a heel and just healing it up as kind of like a you know,
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  the anti everything he's ever been, because his message just rang so hollow considering
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  what he's said when he came to AW a couple of years ago, and
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  all the speeches he's made and what he's done and how much he's bashed WWE.
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  So I hope they lean into that a bit in terms of his character.
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  But he doesn't really move the needle much for me in the ring anymore.
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  And he's such a black kind of person that seeing him disappoints me.
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  But I am interested to see, you know, where this storyline goes with
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  him. I know he's supposed to beul with Seth Rollins, so we'll see
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  what happens. I like that comment Roy and again, I mean he helps
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  make money. I mean I don't watch WW regularly and I tuned in last
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  night to see what he was going to do. So fairpoint. I like
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  this from RJ said this season made me a sad pan of solid South Park
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  reference, and I'm also glad that Chris seven and six recognized it. Let's
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  start with the first comment that came in live here, and this is gonna
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  be one of the pieces we talk about in this show. I'm gonna get
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  into it in a bit, and then myself and my guest when he joins
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  joins us shortly here. I'm sure we'll rehash it. But Phil says,
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  I think McDermott needs to go the way he handled digs at Camp Dorsey coaching
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  decisions and the way he handles Cook. He's a great defensive coordinator, but
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  I I think he has shown what he can slash can't do as a head
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  coach. I think it's fair to have that notion or that thought. I'm
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  gonna bring this comment back up when we specifically get into Sean McDermott. It's
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  one of the topics here. I'm going to break it down at a bit
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  or my thoughts on it. But I think that's a fair point. Then
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  John come and saying McDermott isn't going anywhere. I think that's the big piece
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  that kind of looms large over the entire McDermott conversation is And I said it
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  a couple of weeks ago. I believe it. I said it on another
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  show too. I don't know if it was here or if I do it
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  was not a guest appearance for another team. Anyway, it doesn't matter.
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  I really feel like things have to go off the rails significantly for Sean McDermott
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  to get fired. And that's not me saying I don't think he should get
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  fired. That's not me saying, you know, he's doing a great job.
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  That's not anything. I'm just talking about the actual brass tax of Terry
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  Pagoula sitting there going, you know what, Shawn needs to go. I
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  think things would have to be an absolute dumpster fire of an end coming out
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  of this bye week for Sean McDermott to get fired. And I think that's
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  the big piece. You know, again, we're gonna dive into it in
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  terms of what to make of Sean McDermott and who he is as a coach,
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  who he's been, what he could be going forward, YadA YadA,
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  what a new head coach means, all of that, so on and so
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  forth. But again, the piece looming large over all of it is whether
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  or not any of that conversation is a moot point, and it probably is
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  because I don't know if Terry Pegool is sending Sean McDermott anywhere anytime soon.
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  Again, for me, it would have to be something drastic, like they
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  have to lose out almost and they have to get wrecked in every game,
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  like they have to look like an incompetent football team, and a team where
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  Sean McDermott has you know that phrase, kind of quote unquote lost the locker
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  room, like players have to show that they don't want to play for him
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  anymore. Things have to go off the rails, or it could be something
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  as simple as a behind the scenes thing where Josh Allen walks into Terry Pegola's
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  office offices and is like, you know, hey, I hate Sean McDermott.
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  I want him out. I don't think that's gonna happen either, But
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  that's the piece in the larger conversation and oh, I like this, And
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  then Phil asked John why, and John says he has every excuse in the
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  book for why this is a bad season. I also think again, not
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  to get McDermott a pass. Even the struggles with the offense everything, if
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  this defense doesn't suffer the significant injuries they did with Milano and Daikuon and Trey
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  White, even though Trey White wasn't one hundred percent the Tray White of old,
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  the all Pro Tray White, he was getting there bit by bit.
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  If they don't have those injuries, it's I don't don't I don't like playing
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  this game the if then game or you know, if this didn't happen,
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  then this means this, you know, but I really don't think this is
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  a six and six football team. That defense was so complete and so tremendous,
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  and the skill sets that McDermott was able to lean into and tap into
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  man even with the struggles on offense, they really were a tremendously complete football
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  team. And those injuries just kind of eliminated some of their playmaking ability on
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  the defensive side. And absolutely, you know, he's got kind of baked
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  in excuses with that, And in addition to all, you know, a
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  multitude of others like you mentioned, they're John. But that's a fair point.
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  Jack says. Guys, it's very simple. If the Bills go seven
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  and ten, McDermott is gone. If the Bill's finished ten or seven or
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  better, he's staying. Seven and ten might do it, but it's got
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  to be a bad seven and ten, like they have to get housed,
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  like they have to look again like an incomponent football team. I don't know
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  if the record enough is gonna get him out the door. I also don't
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  think you know not to Jing said, I don't think they're gonna go seven
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  and ten. That's a fair point. Oh, this comment from Aiden kills
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  me. Imagine telling yourself in the past that the Bill's upgrading to a top
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  five performing o line would equal the worst record. So I recognize the stats.
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  I just want to like give the caveat of it. I don't think
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  the Bills have a top five offensive line. But to your point here man,
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  the improvement on the offensive line this year versus last year, the addition
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  of Connor McGovern, the insertion of Osiris Torrants into this lineup. Spencer Brown,
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  they've helped him a bunch this year. He's gotten a lot of support
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  with chip, help from tight ends, running backs, and even from Osirus
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  Torrance, but Spencer Brown has played better. Really Yeah, Like that's a
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  huge gut punch to me, and I think about it all the time.
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  Like, one of my biggest concerns for this team was the offensive line,
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  and they got significantly better in pass protection and as a running football team.
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  Like they are good on the ground with this offensive line, and even though
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  they may lose some one on one individual pieces like they did against the Philadelphia
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  Eagles this past Sunday, because the Eagles are loaded up front in a variety
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  of ways. Man. Yeah, Like, if you told me like the
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  Bills offensive line would not be a concern and they would be a plus in
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  twenty twenty three, my mind would have thought, oh, man, like
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  I can't see where the Bills are, Like, how are they losing this
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  game? It just goes to show how much the inefficiency on offense and the
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  poor puck luck with the turnovers and the injuries on defense, and how everything
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  is just I keep saying it, like all these little tiny breadcrumbs have gone
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  wrong, and when you put them all together, it leads to this giant
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  puzzle of six and six and it's just, Oh, it's been so unfortunate
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  to see oh seeing this comment here from Pop saying, what do the Eagles
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  fans say that made the d line? Man? I didn't dive into it
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  too much. I know there's that video of Jordan Phillips pushing that fan,
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  and the fan denies anything, and so do people in the section. There
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  were something with Shack lost into. I didn't get into it as much.
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  Mondays and Tuesdays are hell for me in terms of getting through the tape and
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  analyzing everything from the game, so I don't dive into too much off the
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  field stuff. But if anybody wants to put in the chat, feel free.
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  Coming here from Steve, the buye may have come at a perfect time.
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  I am sure there's a lot of self evaluation and soul searching going on
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  with both coaches and the players. We will see who they are the next
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  five games. I love this comment from Steve, and I'm not this isn't
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  me going with the whole pie in the sky thing or optimism thing or McDermott
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  apologists type of thing at all. There is I think there's I don't know
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  how to quantify it. But there's a realistic chance that the Bills, who
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  are still a very good football team. I know it doesn't feel that way
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  because they're six and six and they lost to the Broncos and they lost to
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  the Patriots. This is still a good football team. They can go toe
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  to toe with anyone. It's realistic that the Bills course correct some things.
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  Now they're gonna be pieces they cannot fix. They're not going to get better
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  at linebacker because of the injuries. They're not going to get better on the
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  defensive line because of the injuries. Like, there's certain pieces where they are
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  not going to improve. And it is what it is. But there's a
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  realistic chance that the Bills course correct, and you know, to use Steve's
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  verbage here, you know, go through some self evaluation and soul searching,
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  and there's a chance they come out of this bye week and they are like
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  a force to be reckoned with, and they go into the playoffs at eleven
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  and six and potentially maybe get some returning players from injury and they're that team
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  that got into the wildcard that nobody wants to play different stylistically, But there's
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  a chance the Bills go into the playoffs as that kind of like Baltimore Ravens
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  teams early on in Joe Flacco's days, where they were like they weren't winning
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  the division because they wouldn't get past Pittsburgh, but they were always the wildcard
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  and they were always going to like the division round or the AFC Championship,
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  and nobody wanted to play them. And even when they lost in the playoffs,
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  they were really hard out. The Bills could be that team. Not
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  again different stylistically in terms of how those Ravens teams were built and how this
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  Bills team is built. But yeah, this by comes at a time where
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  you really get to kind of see what's what and a little baptism by fire
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  for this coaching staff, for the players. You know, you have a
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  gut wrenching loss in Philly against one of the best teams in football that you
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  outplayed for a significant portion of the game. You have a miscommunication in overtime
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  that was on Josh Allen. I'm not going to get into it right now,
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  but you have a miscommunication and overtime between Josh Allen and Gabe Davis that
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  doesn't lose you the game, but kind of lost you the game. You
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  have all those horrible penalties that were called against you, and the missed field
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  goals, the sidewinder crazy fifty nine yard field goal, and the wind and
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  the rain from Elliott that goes in that sends it to overtime. All these
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  pieces, you can come out of that game and come out of this bye
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  week stronger. Again. I hate using it and like because I don't like
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  to do the whole silver lining and moral victory thing because there are none.
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  It's very much wins and losses in the NFL. But you can make the
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  case that the Bills come out of this team or come out of this bye
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  week stronger as a team and just run through everybody at all. Not again,
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  not dominating, but run through in terms of winning everything down the stretch,
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  and they go five, you know, win five out of five,
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  and they go eleven and six. There's also a chance that they lose to
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  the Chiefs, lose to the Cowboys, could lose to the Dolphins. So
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  it's gonna be a toss up and it's gonna be so interesting. That's funny
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  from Ralph Ralph saying the NFL network is replaying the hockey lea heist right now.
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  Yeah, hockey Lee had a well an interesting game as the ref for
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  the Bills and also has like a history of being tied as like the ref
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  of the Eagles with some stuff I saw what Warren Sharp retweeted just man man
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  Oh RJ says, I have CM punk stories. Not a good guy.
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  RJ. Let's table this conversation for another time. But I would appreciate it
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  if you would not mind, or if you're willing to share, and if
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  you're not, that's completely understandable. Please DM me. I love behind the
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  curtain, you know, peek into the real world of wrestling things, both
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  in terms of like who they are and what goes on behind the scenes.
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  So if I could DM you and you have some chats, that would be
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  awesome. I appreciate you as always. RJ, thank you very much.
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  Andrew. Question from Andrew saying who is more culpable for the lack of executing
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  reads like the mistouchdown in overtime. So I know this has been a bit
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  of a hot button topic. I haven't been on Twitter a bunch of the
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  past couple of days. Again, just is how the starts of the week
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  always go chaotically for me, But especially after a loss like Twitter is just
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  so toxic. But I did see some of the conversations working their way through
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  in terms of who to blame for that incompletion between Josh Allen and Gabe Davis
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  from my vantage point, and this is what I thought ahead of time.
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  And then I also saw Eric confirm some things within the brand and then out
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  in the Twitter sphere. So my initial thought and this is what I believe
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  now after watching the tape and having some conversations and things. You know,
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  it's on both to a degree. And I know Joe Brady kind of fell
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  on his sort as well, but that to me is more on Josh Allen.
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  You have to read the leverage of the defender. And I know a
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  lot of people are saying, no, it's on Gabe Davis. It's a
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  cover zero blitz. There's no one in the middle of the field. You're
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  just supposed to run to the daylight, go to the middle of the field.
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  That's it. The Eagles execute a pass off technical word for it banjo.
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  So if you've got you know, an inside corner and an outside corner,
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  inside receiver, an outside receiver. Inside goes with inside, outside goes
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  with outside. But if the receivers cross with one another, the defenders can
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  either go with them and cross, or you can stay where you are and
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  the outside corner takes the inside receiver who is now outside. The inside corner
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  takes the outside receiver who is now inside. That's called a banjo fancy word
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  for just passing off coverage. That's what the Eagles do on that overtime play.
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  So Gabe Davis reads that he's the outside receiver, so he comes inside,
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  he sees the leverage, and he hits that corner. He runs the
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  daylight which is running that corner route. Josh Allen has to see that the
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  protection was there, the time was there. I think Allen is more culpable
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  on that overtime and completion than Gabe Davis's even and I know some people throw
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  a throw it at Joe Brady saying why are we running option routes at that
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  time? So on fourth and again it's a muddied piece. I do believe
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  Josh Allen was more culpable, just because again you have to read the leverage
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  of that corner, which gave Davis does Josh Allen did not, so he
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  didn't really kind of finish through the read or go through the read and kind
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  of let that piece play out again at the end of the day. It's
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  a miscommunication, you know. He thought one thing, gave Davis thought another.
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  But if I had to say who was more culpable, I would say
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  Josh Allen. Fair comment there, Jack saying I looked at every team's schedule.
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  The Texans are getting in the Colts scare me because the schedule is easy,
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  but they can lose to anyone. We need the Browns to fall apart,
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  and that's very possible. It's crazy the Coults are sitting there at six
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  and five with Gardner minshew. But to your point, actually, let's let's
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  do that piece right now. So if we're looking at the schedule, looking
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  at the Houston Texans schedule, they are they meet the Broncos this week,
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  and then it's so it's Theroncos, the Jets, the Titans, the Browns,
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  the Titans, the Colts. So it's nice that they play the Colts.
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  It's nice that they play the Browns. Potentially maybe eat each other a
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  little bit, maybe they drop one to the Titans. But yeah, the
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  Texans, I'm still the Texans are still a young football team. I've actually
• 20:15
  really liked watching a bunch of Texans tape this year, offensively and defensively.
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  And I'm also pumped because they were my dark horse pick in the offseason to
• 20:23
  be better, like being the team that was going to do way better than
• 20:26
  anyone gave them credit for. And I like what they did during the offseason
• 20:30
  of the draft, and I like to mik O Ryans. But there's still
• 20:33
  a young team. They're still a new team trying to figure out how to
• 20:37
  win football games and consistently do things. I could see the Texans continuing to
• 20:41
  play good football making the playoffs. I could also see them faltering a bit.
• 20:45
  But to your point, Yeah, like the Texans have the somewhat easy
• 20:48
  schedule. What's nice is they do potentially have games where they're going up against
• 20:52
  other teams that are in that playoff mix ahead of the Bills. So again,
• 20:56
  that game against the Colts, the game against the Browns, We'll see
• 20:57
  how things continue to shake out. Yeah, but Colts are in a similar
• 21:02
  position in terms of, you know, they can lose to anybody, but
• 21:07
  like they also seem like they can beat anyone. Uh, they play the
• 21:11
  Titans, the Bengals, the Steelers. So that's nice. You get a
• 21:12
  Steelers Colts matchup, but then Falcons, Raiders, Texans. Yeah, the
• 21:15
  Colt schedule is cake like. They could easily beat the Titans, but they
• 21:19
  could lose to the Titans. They could beat the Bengals or lose to the
• 21:22
  Bengals. They could beat the Steelers or lose. Same thing with the Falcons.
• 21:25
  Even the Raiders are playing a little tough and yeah, you can do
• 21:27
  that for almost every team that's ahead of the Bills. It is absolutely black.
• 21:33
  Oh Jack saying if the Broncos lose this week to the Texans, at
• 21:36
  lose seven out of eight, ooh Pop saying, did do mcdermomyt bench Cook
• 21:40
  or is that a Dorset decision? I don't think it depends on when you're
• 21:42
  going through. I think Cook was definitely benched with the fumble piece against Denver.
• 21:47
  I don't think he was benched this week. I think it was just
• 21:48
  rotational base with what they were doing with Murray and Ty Johnson. I also
• 21:52
  think we have to be careful with the whole benching verbiage, Like there's times
• 21:56
  where the Bills just rotate personnel groupings and players based on situation. Based on
• 22:00
  alignment down in distance, where they are on the field, a whole bunch
• 22:03
  of situational pieces. So I think we have to be careful where And I'm
• 22:07
  not saying you're saying this, Pops, but I know, like I've seen
• 22:10
  that conversation circulating on the brief moments I've spent on Twitter this week, I
• 22:15
  think we have to be careful with the whole like benching piece versus Okay,
• 22:18
  he's just out for a drive or he's out for a couple of plays,
• 22:22
  because they're they want to run this look and Murray is better at it,
• 22:25
  and especially too now that Ty Johnson is getting work from Joe Brady, and
• 22:27
  Ty Johnson has actually looked pretty good. Now that Ty Johnson's in the mix,
• 22:32
  there's more of an opportunity for James Cook to, you know, not
• 22:36
  be on the field, which then leads to questions. But I don't think
• 22:38
  there was a Benching a Cook in this past game. I also think the
• 22:41
  bigger conversation is seeing how productive Murray and Ty Johnson have been. It goes
• 22:45
  to that further conversation of why ever spend an early draft pick on a running
• 22:49
  back when you can literally just pick up guys off of waivers and free agency
• 22:52
  that no one seemingly wants and they can come in and just do a bunch
• 22:57
  of work. I like what Laurence had his sad Lauren said, is gonna
• 23:00
  need more trees to cheer me up? Cue up the Adam Driver more image.
• 23:03
  I love. That's a great gift. That's a tremendous gift from Star
• 23:06
  Wars. Yeah, but I only got the two. Got the big old
• 23:08
  holiday tree that's still decked out in Thanksgiving, Garb. It'll be changed over
• 23:12
  once we're fulling into December next week, full on Christmasy, and then got
• 23:15
  the little tree that stays up all year round, also in Thanksgiving, Garb.
• 23:18
  That'll be changed as well. Who Pops saying the trip to London and
• 23:25
  the injuries on that field derailed the Bill season. Jones, Milano and Knox.
• 23:29
  I don't put Dawson Knox's injury in the same tier of importance as Daike
• 23:33
  One, Jones and Matt malanal, but absolutely those injuries had a significant,
• 23:37
  significant impact. Charles saying, you can't just say fire McDermott without a real
• 23:42
  replacement plan. He's a good coach and you don't just move on unless there's
• 23:45
  a clear plan in place, Michael saying, less mcdee loses Josh in the
• 23:52
  locker room, he's gonna do enough to survive a bad season. I don't
• 23:55
  want my owner to react like an emotional fan. Look at Carolina if you
• 24:00
  want that. Oh, very interesting, very interesting. I think with that
• 24:03
  piece, let's let's dive into that Sean McDermot conversation, which is bulletpoint.
• 24:11
  I wanted to get to see other comments coming through, start to bring them
• 24:14
  up and answer some things once my guest joins are shortly. I like this.
• 24:18
  I do like this from Michael saying when in the off season are we
• 24:21
  going to get an ant r J and Nate Tice wrestling pod? Not that
• 24:23
  I care about wrestling anymore, but I listened to stories. I've talked to
• 24:26
  Nate about it, never seriously, but I feel like he'd be about it.
• 24:32
  So we'll see. Off season is a dead time. We'll see what
• 24:34
  can happen. Oh. I like this coupo from our just say no absolutely.
• 24:37
  I have a ton of wrestling stories like that. A lot of guys
• 24:40
  are good, but some are not. Dot dot dot like good old Phil,
• 24:42
  good old Phil cm Punk Brooks. Let's have the Sean McDermott conversation again.
• 24:49
  I see a bunch of the comments that are there. I'm going to
• 24:52
  circle back and grab a bunch of pieces as my guest joins in, and
• 24:56
  we'll answer some, we'll answer some, I'll bring up up just acknowledge a
• 25:00
  bunch of things. But I do want to get to some of these points.
• 25:03
  Let's let's talk about Sean Sean McDermott. And for everybody in the chat,
• 25:07
  questions, thoughts, comments, concerns, anything you got on Sean McDermott.
• 25:11
  You want him out, you want him to stay, Here's where you
• 25:12
  want to replace him, Here's why you think he should stay, Here's why
• 25:15
  you think he should be out. Even if it's just an emotional reaction,
• 25:18
  feel free to put into the chat. But like the couple comments I brought
• 25:23
  up from Michael and from Charles, like the replacement plan piece for Sean McDermott
• 25:32
  is the big conversation. And again I am not I want to preface all
• 25:36
  of this by saying, I am fine if Sean McDermott stays. I am
• 25:40
  fine if Sean McDermott goes. I think there are merits to both sides of
• 25:42
  the conversation, and I think you can make a case either way. Like
• 25:45
  I'm not firmly in one camp or the other. I'm usually fantasy football wise,
• 25:52
  on the field pieces anything and everything, I am for the most part,
• 25:57
  a you know, mitigate of risk. And when you look at Sean
• 26:02
  McDermott amongst active coaches including the playoffs, he's currently ninth in win percentage at
• 26:07
  six' ten amongst all the thirty two head coaches in the NFL right now,
• 26:11
  he's seventy two and forty six, four and five in the playoffs.
• 26:15
  He's made the playoffs six out or five on seven seasons. We'll see what
• 26:18
  happens this year. Again, Like I said, I'm fine if he stays,
• 26:22
  fine if he goes. My biggest thing with all of it is,
• 26:25
  and this isn't me trying to kind of, you know, impose fear or
• 26:30
  worry or fit a narrative or anything like that. But the grass isn't always
• 26:34
  greener on the other side, especially when it comes to coaches, and just
• 26:40
  there's just as much potential risk as there is potential reward in removing Sean McDermott
• 26:45
  and bringing in a new head coach. Now, if you think Sean McDermott
• 26:48
  is a known quantity at this point and that known quantity is worth risking for
• 26:53
  an unknown quantity at head coach, that's fine, cool do you, But
• 26:57
  I think the conversation and we need to stop acting like a new coach is
• 27:03
  this guarantee for the team to be better. I keep seeing the names floated
• 27:06
  out, and some of them I really like, Like I think Ben Johnson
• 27:07
  is a fun name, you know, from an offensive side. I think,
• 27:11
  you know, I know everybody wants an offensive guy, but I think
• 27:12
  the idea of lou Ana Rumo, Bengal's defensive coordinator would be a fun head
• 27:15
  coach idea. Like all these pieces, I even thought of it last year,
• 27:18
  Like I didn't think Sean McDermott was going anywhere, but there was part
• 27:21
  of me that was like, oh, you know what, like Demiko Ryans
• 27:22
  would be a cool head coach. All these pieces, but there is there's
• 27:26
  no guarantee that a new head coach is a guarantee for a team to be
• 27:30
  better. Some guys are great with the x's and o's as a coordinator offensively,
• 27:36
  defensively, but they're bad people. Managers, and so much of being
• 27:38
  a head coach isn't just the x's and o's. It isn't just the on
• 27:42
  field piece, it's the off the field piece. How do you manage a
• 27:45
  locker room? How do you manage a team? How do you manage the
• 27:48
  off season? When it comes to scouting, when it comes to process and
• 27:51
  procedure, and roster construction, and philosophy and ideology. Some guys are great
• 27:56
  on the field, some guys aren't off the field, and vice versa.
• 28:00
  Some guys know how to build a great staff, some don't. And like
• 28:03
  I alluded to, there's all the organizational and philosophical changes that come along with
• 28:07
  a new regime where even if they're good in the long run, sometimes there
• 28:11
  are growing pains in the short term. So what if you get a new
• 28:15
  head coach who is going to be awesome in twenty twenty six, but then
• 28:18
  you know you're kind of burning away twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five.
• 28:22
  Is the organization kind of retools and or refits based on you know again,
• 28:26
  ideology or philosophy in terms of on the field execution and or off the field
• 28:30
  roster construction. Just all these little points. There's so many variables. There's
• 28:36
  so much both on and off the field that goes into winning, and the
• 28:38
  variables attached to that makes it no guarantee either way. There's no guarantee that
• 28:45
  keeping Sean McDermott alleviates the struggles that we see. They're just like there's no
• 28:48
  guarantee that removing Sean McDermott alleviates those It's cool to want a new coach,
• 28:53
  it's cool to watch Sean McDermott to stay. But either way, there are
• 28:57
  no guarantees. And even if if you think here's a piece too right,
• 29:02
  like, even though we have a decent sample size on who and what Sean
• 29:06
  McDermott is, there's still no guarantees that you can't win a super Bowl with
• 29:11
  Sean McDermott. The example I've given a bunch on the show before, there
• 29:15
  was so much of that conversation being had about Andy Reid until he won a
• 29:19
  Super Bowl with the Chiefs. He got run out of Philadelphia. Eagles fans
• 29:23
  were like dancing in the street to get rid of Andy Reid. That Eagles
• 29:27
  organization waited until he had that one bad year. I think they had a
• 29:30
  bunch of injuries, but they went five and eleven. He got axed and
• 29:33
  everybody in Philly was dancing a jig because he was out. Then he goes
• 29:37
  to Kansas City. He still can't get over in Kansas City, to use
• 29:41
  a wrestling term. There he has Alex Smith. They lose to a Marcus
• 29:45
  Mariota led Titans team in Kansas City in the wildcard round. Year after year
• 29:49
  they could not get over the hump. Then he gets that perfect marriage with
• 29:52
  Patrick Mahomes and now he's recognized as one of the greatest coaches in football today
• 29:56
  and one of the greatest football coaches of all time. So everyone this whole
• 30:02
  narrative and conversation around Sean McDermott, it followed a similar path to what was
• 30:07
  going on with Andy Reid until he won a Super Bowl. Everyone is not
• 30:11
  clutch and everyone needs to be replaced until they win a championship and there all
• 30:15
  of a sudden, you know, kind of ironclad and this made man.
• 30:18
  But on the other side of the conversation, for every Andy Reid, there
• 30:22
  is a Marvin Lewis, there is a Marty Schottenheimer, a coach who continuously
• 30:26
  does a good job in the regular season who puts his team in position to
• 30:32
  win a Super Bowl and contend and compete for a Super Bowl, but just
• 30:37
  for somehow or for some reason, somehow, some way, just cannot get
• 30:41
  his team over the hump in those playoffs. So my point with all of
• 30:45
  that is, there is no guaranteeing that the next head coach is going to
• 30:49
  be an Andy Reid or a Marvin Lewis or Marty Schottenheimer one way or the
• 30:53
  other or the other. And that's my piece of the whole conversation, Like
• 30:56
  it's all just it's all projection in terms of potential reward versus potential risk.
• 31:02
  And I'm not saying Sean McDermot should stay because it's better to have the devil
• 31:07
  you do than the devil you don't. I'm okay either way, McDermot can
• 31:11
  go, McDermott can stay. I just don't think it's this slam dunk easy
• 31:15
  guarantee that the grass is greener on the other side if Sean McDermott goes.
• 31:18
  Now again, if you think Sean McDermott is a known quantity and the potential
• 31:22
  risk of him going is outweighed by the potential reward, that's a whole thing.
• 31:29
  That's a whole nother conversation. If that's where you're at. I just
• 31:32
  hope we're not at this I see so many concrete statements being made. I
• 31:36
  hope we're just not at this point where it's assumed that the Bills have a
• 31:40
  great team. Whoever you get in to bring, whoever you get to bring
• 31:44
  in as a head coach, is automatically going to take this team to the
• 31:47
  next step. There is no guarantee either way. A new head coach could
• 31:51
  come in the Bills could be better, a new head coach could come in
• 31:53
  the Bills could be worse. You literally have no idea. It's all projection.
• 31:57
  And if you're confident in that projection. And oh, I like this
• 32:01
  comment here from Greg saying, Gary Kubiak, Pete Carroll, Bruce arians Bill
• 32:05
  Cower, all coaches who people thought at one point would never win a Super
• 32:08
  Bowl. That's a fair point too. Bill Cower is a great one.
• 32:12
  Could never get over the hump, could never get over the hump. And
• 32:15
  this isn't to say Sean Again, this isn't to say Sean mcdermot's should stay,
• 32:21
  but it there's such a fine line with this conversation. It really is
• 32:24
  like a fun debate to have when I don't know, you're not coming off
• 32:28
  a loss and everybody wants blood in someone's head on a stake or a pike,
• 32:31
  But there is like a conversation to be had for you know, you
• 32:36
  have to you have to be consistently good in order to have a chance at
• 32:38
  the super Bowl. And that's what Sean McDermott has done with this Bill's team.
• 32:42
  But also at a certain point, the goal was doing a super Bowl
• 32:45
  And is it cool every year to just, you know, win your division
• 32:50
  and get to the final four in the conference if you're not going to win
• 32:52
  a super Bowl or you know, would you rather take some swings trying to
• 32:57
  get that Super Bowl and be okay with the men? Right? And so
• 33:01
  John saying here right now, it could literally be worse. It could it
• 33:05
  could be better. It could literally be worse. The Bills might founder and
• 33:08
  mediocrity for the next couple of years. We've heard so much from players coming
• 33:14
  in. Emmanuel Sanders was such a great example. A guy who's been around
• 33:17
  multiple championship caliber teams, He's been to multi multiple Super Bowls, a guy
• 33:22
  who has been coached by tremendous coaches, played with tremendous players, him coming
• 33:27
  in and talking about what the culture was and what the staff was like,
• 33:30
  and how players were viewing the Buffalo Bills. Now, that's the reason that
• 33:35
  again you know, hot button topic here, but that's the reason von Miller
• 33:38
  came here. That's the reason Leonard Floyd came here. That's the reason the
• 33:42
  Bills have attracted some of these free agent pieces. Now you can also play
• 33:45
  the other side and say, well, the Bills have Josh Allen, players
• 33:47
  will come to play with Josh Allen, so on and so forth. But
• 33:52
  there's it's just it's a whole mitigation risk reward analysis when it comes to getting
• 33:58
  rid of Sean McDermott or keeping McDermott. You can make a case for either
• 34:01
  side. That's my whole piece with all of it. I am okay if
• 34:04
  Sean McDermott goes, I am okay if Sean McDermott stays. But if you
• 34:08
  think it's a guarantee and it's easy that whoever they bring in as a new
• 34:13
  coach is going to take this team to the Promised Land, there's the potential
• 34:15
  of that. There's also the potential that the next head coach runs this team
• 34:20
  into the ground and things go terribly and you're stuck chasing your tail and mediocrity
• 34:24
  and failure again. Oh and as Bill says, right here, these guys
• 34:28
  come here because of Josh Allen, not Sean McDermott. You know, the
• 34:31
  player piece is there, but a lot of free agents that come in and
• 34:37
  these vet guys that come in, they talk about Sean McDermott. They talk
• 34:39
  about that culture piece, and I think it's more than just Josh Allen.
• 34:43
  Now, if players had to pick, oh, I'm come in here because
• 34:45
  of Josh Allen or Sean McDermott, I think they're probably gonna lean Josh Allen.
• 34:49
  He's a significant piece. But I don't think you can just completely mitigate
• 34:52
  or remove the impact of Sean McDermott and the culture that has been created within
• 34:58
  this organization and within the building, in the team that was created by Sean
• 35:01
  McDermott, that is fostered by Sean McDermott. And for all the failures we
• 35:06
  see a lot of times, we're seeing guys kind of champion Sean McDermott and
• 35:09
  bang the drum for his leadership and the type of coach that he is.
• 35:13
  Again, this is me saying that as a non you know, as a
• 35:15
  non biased, purely objective party. I'm fine if he goes, I'm fine
• 35:19
  if he stays. I just don't think the grass is always greener. On
• 35:22
  the other side, you know, the Bills could bring in Ben Johnson.
• 35:24
  Awesome, what happens if the Bills are, you know, five and twelve
• 35:28
  next year. They could be twelve and five, they could be five and
• 35:30
  twelve, they could be a whole bunch of things. But there's no guarantee
• 35:34
  either way. That's the whole conversation starter and ender for me, and I
• 35:37
  like some of these pieces. The fun idea is and sometimes new blood is
• 35:42
  nice, but man, you can get into a dangerous cycle when you think,
• 35:45
  you know, going new is always better because it isn't necessarily the right
• 35:51
  move a lot of times. Now for me, the kind of go within
• 35:54
  that Again, I don't think Sean mcdermot's n failable. I would have you
• 35:58
  know, just from the Eagles game, I would like to have seen better
• 36:00
  time out management and a shot for Josh Allen to win the game in the
• 36:04
  fourth quarter against the Eagles. I'm fine with the one time out to kind
• 36:07
  of make sure everything's situated on that third down and make sure you're good to
• 36:10
  go. I know, the icing the kicker. Timeouts statistically usually work.
• 36:16
  I'd still rather pocket those two timeouts and take a chance that man I don't
• 36:22
  know, like Alan, can just gun one down the field and kind of
• 36:25
  get you close into field goal range. Now, on the other side of
• 36:29
  that conversation is also Tyler Bass has or was not very reliable in that game
• 36:35
  against the Eagles, So you know, if you want to go when you
• 36:37
  know, well, it's a point because a long field goal wouldn't have been
• 36:38
  made by Tyler Bass. YadA, YadA. I understand all those pieces.
• 36:43
  I still would have liked two timeouts in the holster and trying to use them
• 36:46
  to get down the field to attempt a game winning field goal to end the
• 36:50
  game in the fourth quarter, even with the one time out left. I
• 36:55
  know it's still improbable. I still would have liked to take some kind of
• 36:59
  shot instead of just kneeling it. You never know, throw it up,
• 37:00
  maybe you get an egregious pass interference call. Although the way that game was
• 37:04
  called, it probably wasn't going to work in the bills favor, So I
• 37:07
  don't like things like that, just from in a vacuum against the Eagles.
• 37:09
  Again, I would have liked some better timeout management there. I also would
• 37:15
  have liked if Jake Elliott didn't hit a fifty nine yard side winder field goal
• 37:19
  in the wind in the rain, like that's still ridiculous. I thought it
• 37:22
  was going to hook and curve left, and then it cooked and curve right.
• 37:24
  I thought I was going to go pass, and it went almost dead
• 37:28
  center right into that bottom right corner pocket at the end there. I think
• 37:30
  in general, I've always kind of had some level of black or Man with
• 37:35
  Sean mcdermot's in game decision work at times, fourth down decisions, timeout management
• 37:39
  challenges and pieces like that, but philosophically and on the whole again, he's
• 37:47
  arguably the most successful coach in franchise history with what he's done in the turnaround
• 37:52
  that he's helped engineer. And I'd just be wary of booting someone out the
• 37:57
  door because of a reactionary piece. And again even within this game, this
• 38:00
  Eagles game, and I know this isn't just a one game thing for everyone.
• 38:05
  I know everyone's not seeing this one loss to the Eagles and are saying
• 38:07
  boom fire Sean McDermott because of this one loss. I know it is a
• 38:10
  culmination and a multitude of things, but man, there are a whole bunch
• 38:15
  of little pieces that have happened in this year, in this season that are
• 38:19
  not Sean McDermott's fault whatsoever. And if you get a couple of bounces that
• 38:22
  go your way, the bills are I don't know, suddenly eight and four
• 38:27
  or suddenly nine to three instead of six and six. Again, you can
• 38:30
  make that case for any team at any point in any game. There's usually
• 38:32
  I don't know, anywhere from three to five plays a game that turn the
• 38:36
  tide and change the stem of how things go. And you know, again,
• 38:42
  it's a larger conversation piece, and I think there's just no guarantee either
• 38:46
  way. And I think with that being said, I'm going to bring in
• 38:49
  my guests at this time to kind of finish off this conversation piece, and
• 38:52
  then we're going to start some new topics and new things going forward. One
• 38:54
  of my favorite guests, as I mentioned earlier, mister Kendall Mursky, who
• 38:58
  again off camera because I'm assuming he's in time out and his parents took away
• 39:01
  his camera but decisely station for another time. Kendall, I love you.
• 39:07
  You're fantastic. I appreciate you joining me for the second time in three weeks.
• 39:10
  And as you can see up there on the graphic and the conversation,
• 39:15
  we just got it maybe about fifteen minutes ago. Mainly due to the chat.
• 39:17
  There's been a lot of back and forth, Kendall. We're at this
• 39:20
  point of kind of what to make of Sean McDermott and kind of loop you.
• 39:24
  In my contention here has been I'm fine if he goes, I'm fine
• 39:29
  if he stays. I just think we have to recognize the idea and the
• 39:32
  notion of a new coach coming in. It could be good, it could
• 39:37
  be bad. This Bill's team could ascend and get better. They could fall
• 39:40
  off a cliff and be worse. It's all about how you value. You
• 39:45
  know, Sean McDermott is a known quantity, and if you think that potential
• 39:49
  risk of bringing in a new coach outweighs or is outweighed by the potential reward
• 39:53
  of bringing a new coach in, I also think there's something to be said
• 39:57
  for Sean McDermott still, even though again he's been with this team for a
• 40:00
  good chunk of time, still not being a known quantity, similar to what
• 40:04
  Andy is time with Philly where he got run out there still couldn't get over
• 40:07
  the hump with Kansas City until he got Mahomes. But then again, I
• 40:10
  recognize the other side of that coin, where forever Andy Reid you have Marvin
• 40:15
  Lewis, you have a Malady Schottenheimer. My whole contention is, you know,
• 40:17
  kind of put a nice little bow on it. Based on that is
• 40:21
  I'm fine if he goes, I'm fine if he stays. I just don't
• 40:23
  think it's a guarantee in any way, shape or form that the grass is
• 40:27
  greener. On the other side, if you bring in a new coach on
• 40:30
  the field and off the field, variables then exist what it takes to make
• 40:34
  a team successful. It just seems like there's a lot of concrete statements and
• 40:37
  absolutes are being made when it comes to well, get Sean McDermot out and
• 40:42
  bring Ben Johnson and this team is going to take off. I just don't
• 40:45
  think it's that easy. Yeah, it's a really it's a really complicated topic.
• 40:49
  I mean I said it last time I was on, and I'm starting
• 40:52
  to notice maybe there's a trend that I'm only on here when we're talking negatively
• 40:55
  about Sean McDermott. All right, but I do you think it's really complicated
• 41:02
  because the grass isn't always greener. And that's not to say that, you
• 41:07
  know, as Bill's fans are, you know, putting myself in Terry Pigoula's
• 41:10
  shoes, you should be afraid of the unknown. Because if you're afraid of
• 41:15
  change, like you really can't grow. You have to give yourself that opportunity
• 41:22
  to either fail or succeed. And if you don't give yourself that opportunity,
• 41:25
  you're just gonna stagnate, you know, you're just gonna stick with the status
• 41:29
  quo and what has always been. That being said, there's an opportunity to
• 41:34
  stick with the status quo that is Sean McDermott and allow him to grow as
• 41:37
  a head coach, you know, like he really he's only been a head
• 41:40
  coach since twenty seventeen, so he's going through all of these trials and tribulations.
• 41:46
  I think the pushback is, of course, he's had so many moments
• 41:51
  to learn from mistakes, and as a fan base, we're seeing there's no
• 41:57
  adjustment. And even when you're talking great annularly to you know, a single
• 42:01
  game, I think that's been the frustration. You see this team go into
• 42:05
  into football games with great game plans, especially defensively, and once the other
• 42:12
  team throws a counter you don't really see the Bills defense with the ability to
• 42:16
  counter punch back. And I think that frustration has has grown and kind of
• 42:22
  mounted among the fan base, you know, to a point where it's like,
• 42:25
  this guy can't manage a game. And I honestly, truly personally think
• 42:30
  it's being amplified a bit. I do think there are decisions that he could
• 42:34
  have made in this game in the past that could have been better. But
• 42:39
  for me, it really boils down to just the icing the kicker time out
• 42:45
  for this game specifically, and then that from a game management perspective, right
• 42:52
  like timeout to clock anything like that. But then a NEX is an O
• 42:55
  schematic thing is really the ability to adjust, because I feel like that's been
• 43:00
  an issue for this defense for years. You know, once the offense figures
• 43:05
  you out, how are we going to figure out what they figured out?
• 43:09
  I think that's a good point, and honestly like it echoes a lot of
• 43:13
  similar sentiments I had before you hopped on, like in a vacuum. Just
• 43:16
  that Eagles game, I was okay with that first time out, kind of
• 43:20
  okay, let's make sure we're set for this third down, just make sure
• 43:22
  we're right defensively, but turned into a Poyer in completion or forcing completion.
• 43:28
  Yep, short throw underneath Poyer like knocks it down. Awesome. I was
• 43:31
  literally sitting there thinking, and I was super forty, so I had my
• 43:37
  mom had stopped over to drop some stuff off as the game started and the
• 43:40
  Bills were doing well, and I was like, you can't leave. She
• 43:45
  goes what And I was like, you're not allowed to go because if the
• 43:47
  Bills lose, I will blame you. So me, her uh and my
• 43:51
  wife were sitting down there watching the game and my wife had stepped out and
• 43:57
  Poyer makes that stop and I'm literally sitting there being like, oh, this
• 44:00
  is awesome. And I'm literally sitting there telling my mom. I'm like,
• 44:02
  man, like, they're probably gonna have around twenty seconds two timeouts. I'll
• 44:07
  take that if Alan can wing it downfield, and we'll see what happens,
• 44:08
  and then he called time out again and I was like, okay, you
• 44:13
  know he'll still go after with one time out. The the neil crushed my
• 44:15
  soul a little bit, like watching him just come out and kneel it.
• 44:19
  That one got me a bit. Again, that's just in a vacuum,
• 44:21
  but in the larger picture, like you mentioned, and I said this again
• 44:23
  right before he came on, like my issues with him have always been like
• 44:29
  the kind of the black or the men with his in game decision operations and
• 44:32
  workings. Whether it was sometimes with fourth down decisions, but for me it
• 44:35
  was more time out management challenges, just certain decision making in the moment that
• 44:43
  I don't want to use the scared verbiage because I or when say like,
• 44:46
  well, you know, he's coaching scared or he's coaching not to lose.
• 44:49
  And I do think there is some truth to it or some smoke to that
• 44:52
  fire a little bit, but it's hard to really know for sure without being
• 44:55
  like in his brain. But my bigger thing with him, yeah, has
• 44:59
  been I have some roster building concerns that you and I talk about all the
• 45:02
  time via text. But I think that's a conversation for another time, especially
• 45:06
  because it ties him with a brain of bean. But yeah, I just
• 45:08
  think there is something there when it comes to his in game decision making,
• 45:14
  when it comes to big games and or big moments, specifically in the playoffs,
• 45:16
  because we've seen big regular season games where the victories that they've had against
• 45:22
  the Kansas City Chiefs against I even think back to his first year against the
• 45:25
  Atlanta Falcons when this was a team that like nobody believed in and the Falcons
• 45:30
  were rolling like he had moments where he was managing the game correctly and just
• 45:35
  running this team beautifully, and it seems like he's faltered a little bit now.
• 45:39
  Then you go into the conversation like, Okay, well is it really
• 45:42
  him or is it more circumstantial? Is it player based? Is it Sean
• 45:45
  McDermott. But again, all of it is it's tied up in this muddiness
• 45:51
  of week in and week out, year in and year out. Again this
• 45:54
  year kind of being an outlier to the conversation, but year in and year
• 45:58
  out, week in and week out, he's made this a very good football
• 46:00
  team. I saw that graphic there. What is it like over the last
• 46:02
  like of all sports franchises like over the last like four or five years or
• 46:07
  something like that, Like if the Bills and Chiefs are one and two,
• 46:08
  Chiefs one Bills two in terms of like most wins or best wing percentage for
• 46:13
  franchises or something like, this team, year in and year out, has
• 46:15
  beening super Bowl contender, right, and Sean McDermott's been at the helm of
• 46:19
  it. But the other side of that conversation is what's it worth to consistently
• 46:23
  be in the fight if you don't think you can win the big fight in
• 46:28
  terms of a Super Bowl? And is it worth worth it to kind of
• 46:30
  chuck that to the side to take some swings at a Super Bowl if those
• 46:35
  swings include misses or bigger misses that you have with the known quantity of McDermott.
• 46:38
  Yeah, I feel like the larger conversation is really just about how we
• 46:43
  feel about this franchise and where it's at and it's life cycle and specifically I
• 46:49
  guess the roster too, because when McDermott was brought in, like I mean,
• 46:52
  he did everything he had to do, and he did it all the
• 46:57
  right way because it was so much about like culture, just build a winning
• 47:01
  culture, build a mentality for a team that can believe that they can win
• 47:06
  football games, and he did that. I mean, he was kind of
• 47:09
  like the twenty twenty two Giants where they overachieved, like they should not have
• 47:14
  been good in twenty seventeen and they were good. They overachieved from what they
• 47:17
  should have done. I'm on mute. What a clown I am this comment
• 47:25
  from Steve, and Steve says, Unfortunately, a large part of mcdermot's coaching
• 47:30
  tenure has been like watching the TV series One Thousand Ways to Die. To
• 47:34
  be fair, that was like life as a Bills fan before mcderm realm you
• 47:37
  know, like it's not even siloed to McDermott. I think the difference now
• 47:42
  is expectations, right, Like McDermott has made a bed of expectations for Bills
• 47:47
  fans where it's like, we expect really good things from this team year in
• 47:52
  and year out because of largely what he did in twenty seventeen and still finding
• 47:58
  some relative success in twenty eighteen with a rookie quarterback, and then everything that's
• 48:01
  happened since then. I mean, anything short of a super Bowl is going
• 48:07
  to upset this fan base. And it's unfortunate, but it is the bed
• 48:10
  that he made, and let's be honest, it's the expectations he has for
• 48:14
  himself anyways. So I mean, really in terms of the life cycle thing,
• 48:20
  I think it's an interesting conversation of who McDermott is as a coach and
• 48:25
  if he was hired, you know, at the time by Pagoula to be
• 48:30
  the guy that's going to end the drought, and I think in that hiring
• 48:35
  process they found a perfect character to be a leader of men, to change
• 48:40
  a culture, to establish a culture of winning, and it happened. But
• 48:46
  have we reached, you know, the the point of diminishing returns? You
• 48:51
  know, have we reached the point where he's kind of capped in terms of
• 48:54
  his ability as a holistic head coach, where you know, maybe that his
• 49:00
  cap, his cap is that ability, and he maybe has limitations in other
• 49:05
  areas, like in game management, in game adjustments like there. There there's
• 49:08
  just so many things that a head coach needs to do. And I'm not
• 49:12
  even saying that he's like overwhelmed with like being a defensive cordner and a head
• 49:16
  coach. This year. I'm kind of more so just saying like there's a
• 49:20
  lot of things, a lot of traits that a head coach needs to have
• 49:23
  to be successful, and I'm a little worried that maybe he was brought in
• 49:30
  in the first place to end a drought and he's not necessarily growing with the
• 49:35
  life cycle of this team as it grows past the drought years. That's a
• 49:38
  fair point, Like it's like you need there was a real comment, real
• 49:43
  comment. I just pulled it up too from Chillwill who said, ah,
• 49:46
  I think this is well said from him saying, I think Sean was good
• 49:49
  at getting us out of the ditch, right, but I'm afraid he's got
• 49:52
  us as far as as he could. I'm afraid the emotional attachment we made
• 49:54
  with him is slowly making us okay with just being relevant. And I think
• 49:59
  that the But that's a potential, like good point to note, especially in
• 50:02
  that first part, like maybe he's the guy to kind of, you know,
• 50:06
  get you on the road to recovery, but he's not the one to
• 50:07
  kind of take you up the mountaintop to that championship. But it's it's so
• 50:13
  I the one point I'm going to ask you a question about, you know,
• 50:15
  what you think should be done with Sean McDermott. But before I want
• 50:21
  to just piggyback on the point that you made, like so many like things
• 50:22
  that are tied to the head coaching piece. And again, this is something
• 50:24
  I was talking about before you join, like everything, like it's not just
• 50:28
  the on the field execution pieces. It's the staff you bring in. It's
• 50:31
  the culture you established, it's the off season rhythm that you put together.
• 50:36
  It's the scouting principles and team building philosophy that you have. It's there's so
• 50:40
  much that goes into it that is also part of that whole like unknown quantity
• 50:45
  with a new guy coming in, Like there's so many guys who are tremendous
• 50:49
  x's and o's people as coordinators, but they're horrible people managers, and that's
• 50:52
  why they don't work out as a head coach or you know, the stress
• 50:55
  of being a head coach is too much for them because it's a significant different
• 51:00
  job than just being a coordinator, even if you're not also calling, you
• 51:04
  know, or designing one side of the ball. Like even if you're just
• 51:06
  like a you know, John Harbaugh type of coach where you're not calling offense
• 51:09
  or defense, you're just the head coach. It's a tremendously different job than
• 51:14
  being a coordinator, and there's a reason guys flame out at that spot.
• 51:19
  Or you have the opposite. You have guys who are tremendous people managers,
• 51:22
  but they're not good X's and O's guys, and so they flame out because
• 51:24
  of that. Players love playing for them, but they're two and fourteen every
• 51:28
  year because he doesn't identify talent properly, or he's a horrible in game manager
• 51:31
  of bad exces and os YadA YadA. There's a multitude of ways where a
• 51:37
  new coaching staff and new hire can go well for you, but I think
• 51:42
  there's an equal amount, if not more, ways where it can go sideways
• 51:45
  for you and turn out to be not what you ideally were looking for or
• 51:49
  ideally wanted. And I say all that to then get to this question,
• 51:52
  Like I mentioned to you, like for you again, like I've said,
• 51:54
  I'm fine with him going with him staying. I recognize the pros and cons
• 51:59
  to both sides, like I honestly do. Like I think you know the
• 52:01
  positives of bringing in new blood, I see him, I also see the
• 52:05
  negatives just like I do with the positives and negatives of McDermott. Where do
• 52:08
  you sit and or stand on the Sean McDermott piece. Do you want him
• 52:12
  to stay? Do you want him to go? Or you find either way
• 52:15
  and you recognize the merits of the conversation on both sides. You know,
• 52:19
  where do you sit when it comes to this whole like deal of Sean McDermott,
• 52:22
  what to make of him? Aside from again, aside from the fact
• 52:25
  that I know we talked about it last time, like we don't think he's
• 52:28
  going anywhere unless like things completely fall apart into the jettisons him. But you
• 52:31
  know, where do you sit on whether he should stay or go and so
• 52:36
  and so on and so forth. Yeah, I definitely gonna go back to
• 52:38
  that point, like I think he deserves the season, Like there's no shot
• 52:44
  in my mind, barring anything crazy, that he deserves to finish the season,
• 52:51
  because I think that's part of the evaluation, like seeing how this team
• 52:54
  fights through this adversity, I mean adversity relative to expectations and the tough schedule
• 53:01
  ahead, Like it will be really interesting to see exactly how they they measure
• 53:07
  up to all of the opponents that are rest up. They realistically could like
• 53:10
  they could win all five and go eleven and six, or they could lose
• 53:14
  like three out of the five, or lose even four out of the five.
• 53:17
  I guess they could lose all five. Like that's the thing I mean
• 53:21
  when you look at it, I mean, personally, this is off track,
• 53:23
  but I think last this Eagles game was the first time that they got
• 53:28
  beat by another team instead of beating themselves. I felt like they literally beat
• 53:31
  themselves in all five of the losses, which is also part of the reason
• 53:35
  why, Like I'm not I'm not horribly on a ledge with this loss,
• 53:39
  Like I'm mainly annoyed because of the overtime miscommunication and a horrible penalty calls,
• 53:45
  the missfield goals, Elliott hitting an eye winder fifty nine yard kick in the
• 53:50
  rain, like nothing's happened, Like the Eagles kind of deserved it in a
• 53:52
  lot of ways. But see, and that's a point too, Like there
• 53:55
  are so many plays where like I was going back and watching the tape and
• 53:59
  it was just like, oh, that they just had a guy who made
• 54:01
  a good play. Oh, they just had a good design on this play,
• 54:05
  Like, which is they're a good football team. They're well coached and
• 54:07
  they have good players. I came away from this game against the Eagles like
• 54:09
  I was pissed at the way they lost, but not at the team.
• 54:13
  I was just like, oh, right, they lost to a good football
• 54:15
  team. But of course it's a similar type of loss. So it gets
• 54:19
  you know, bucketed in the same way and blame McDermott. But so back
• 54:22
  to my McDermott point, I think he deserves this season. I think it's
• 54:28
  a really fair way to evaluate where he is in this team's life cycle and
• 54:34
  if he can get them over that hump or if you know that hump is
• 54:37
  just always going to be in front of them. But I see both sides.
• 54:42
  I'm a fence sitter on this, Like I really don't think he deserves
• 54:45
  to be fired. I don't think he deserves to stay. I think he
• 54:50
  is. He's on a warm seat. That's just the reality of it.
• 54:52
  He's on a warm seat, and every day is an evaluation for him.
• 54:55
  Whereas you know, like rewind to the beginning of this season. I mean,
• 55:00
  outside of thirteen seconds in Hail Murray, is there anything you're really mad
• 55:07
  at this guy for specifically? But you think about what happened this past Sunday,
• 55:12
  and all you can think about are all of those defensive drives where you
• 55:16
  need to stop and McDermott's defense couldn't get you a stop, Like I can't
• 55:21
  right now think And this is just human nature, like confirmation bias, trying
• 55:24
  to find and support your priors, you know. Like, but I literally,
• 55:29
  for the life of me, cannot think of a moment in Bill's history
• 55:34
  since twenty seventeen where the Bills have needed a defensive stop and they got it
• 55:39
  the Falcon. But this is my point. I look at the numbers and
• 55:42
  like I look at game logs and it's like, oh, it's happened,
• 55:45
  But I literally cannot think of it at the top of my head, you
• 55:47
  know what I mean. So it's I think that's a lot of just the
• 55:51
  fan base and human nature, just like really digging into that confirmation bias,
• 55:57
  of the emotions of the whole thing. But I really, I really think
• 56:00
  either way the Poogles go on this, it's completely understandable. McDermott has earned
• 56:07
  the grace of seeing the season through and even maybe next season through, especially
• 56:10
  considering the recent contract extension he just got. I just think I think he
• 56:16
  has earned that grace, but in the same time he has earned just as
• 56:20
  much criticism, especially in this year alone, like not even barring the thirteen
• 56:25
  seconds or Hill murray or any of the stuff before that. So I truly
• 56:30
  am offence that are on this one. You know what gets me too,
• 56:32
  I think about the I was I was talking about about this, my one
• 56:37
  buddy, like the so you have the Patriots game, the Broncos game,
• 56:42
  and this game now where the offense went scored with like not a ton of
• 56:46
  time left on the clock, and the defense just couldn't close it out in
• 56:51
  either you know, not forcing ot or not you know, earning a loss.
• 56:54
  And it's so funny, like all three of those teams are in completely
• 56:59
  different tiers and have different offenses. Like the Patriots suck and their offense is
• 57:04
  terrible, and they're sitting there at two and nine or whatever they are now,
• 57:07
  and you let them drive right down your throat. Granted, and I
• 57:09
  know, like the caveat for some like it should have been an eligible man
• 57:14
  downfield on the first play, YadA YadA in canvas, like you shouldn't have
• 57:15
  given up more than thirteen points to the worst offense in football. That entire
• 57:21
  game, even with all the injuries. You literally let them run down your
• 57:23
  throat for the majority of the game and do the one thing that you could
• 57:29
  not let them do. And then you get the Broncos who have kind of
• 57:30
  righted the ship a little bit, and they're starting to kind of look like
• 57:34
  the team that people thought they could be last year and or you know,
• 57:37
  this year, even more so under Sean Payton, as opposed to having Hacket
• 57:39
  last year, but still not a good football team, still a team you
• 57:44
  should have beat. And then you give up a similar drive to the Eagles,
• 57:46
  who are in a complete different tier, one of the best teams in
• 57:49
  football, but just having all three of those losses against a variety of quarterbacks,
• 57:53
  a variety of offenses, in a variety of tiers. It's not like,
• 57:58
  oh, well, you know what, like they get gutted late by
• 58:00
  teams that can pass the ball, or they get gutted late by mobile quarterbacks
• 58:05
  or teams that can run. I don't know. Read out the antithesis of
• 58:07
  the Eagles. The Eagles find ways to win, the Bills will find ways
• 58:13
  to lose. It doesn't matter how they will morph their way into it.
• 58:16
  They can be versatile in that way to find a way to lose a game.
• 58:22
  It's ridiculous, and it's always kind of existed too, Like even because
• 58:25
  I was thinking back to you, you know your example of like, oh,
• 58:28
  when have they ever closed an out and think like, oh, they
• 58:29
  did it against the Falcons, And then I think back to I think it
• 58:31
  was a twenty nineteen when they lost to the Browns, Like granted was on
• 58:37
  a missed field goal at the end, but like the Bills go down and
• 58:38
  take the lead, I think like sixteen twelve, and then Baker Mayfield puts
• 58:43
  them on like a ten play eighty two yard drive in like three minutes or
• 58:45
  something, and they go up nineteen sixteen, and just like yeah, like
• 58:49
  he just for whatever reason hasn't been able to fully close it out. And
• 58:54
  that's super disappointing. And I don't know if like him. It's also funny
• 58:58
  too, because this conversation of like him not being able to show up in
• 59:01
  big moments as a head coach. It's funny that like not funny like haha
• 59:07
  about funny, like painful that makes me want to cry. It's funny that
• 59:10
  those losses this year against the Patriots, against the Broncos and against the Eagles
• 59:15
  have come like with the defense not being able to close out the game at
• 59:17
  the end, and it's being coached and run by Sean McDermott. It's like
• 59:22
  a mini microcosm of his tenure. But also you have to kind of put
• 59:25
  the conversation together as well, like, I don't know, he coached like
• 59:30
  a tremendous game against Philadelphia to start it. But again again you have to
• 59:32
  talk about the you know, the lack of adjustments of what happened in the
• 59:36
  second half. But then in the other side of the coin too with that
• 59:39
  Denver game, like the offense turned it over with some of the most ridiculous
• 59:44
  turnovers for the entirety of the game that put points on the board. Now,
• 59:45
  granted that doesn't excuse them for breaking at the end of the game,
• 59:50
  but also like the defense was fine for the majority of it, even though
• 59:52
  it also kind of wasn't It just sucks to be in this like like chasing
• 59:57
  your tail muddiness in terms of trying to ascertain where the blame lies and you
• 1:00:01
  can legitimately make a case on both sides no matter what your thought is.
• 1:00:07
  Yeah, no, I mean that's the thing. There isn't a clean answer.
• 1:00:09
  There isn't a there isn't a finger to point at one person. I
• 1:00:14
  mean, you got to use all ten hands to find blame. I mean
• 1:00:17
  it's truly like there's so much blame to go around. It's very nuanced,
• 1:00:22
  and I mean you get granular with it and you look at just the execution
• 1:00:25
  mistakes and there's no one person to blame. Like there that's why you can't
• 1:00:30
  just sit here and blame McDermott. Like there were plays to be had on
• 1:00:35
  the field, and there were players that let the team down, and it
• 1:00:38
  wasn't one player, it was multiple players, and that happened the same way
• 1:00:43
  for the Eagles on the other side. But it all aggregates into the final
• 1:00:45
  score. That's like we are Are we even having this conversation. If Josh
• 1:00:50
  Allen reads the leverage of the dB and overtime and throws it to the corner
• 1:00:53
  for game, Tyler ass makes a couple of kicks, doesn't get blocked on
• 1:00:58
  a thirty four yarder. There are little things just that is football, and
• 1:01:04
  and a lot of it isn't in the coaching, isn't in the head,
• 1:01:07
  the hands of the head coach. I mean specifically, kicking is probably the
• 1:01:12
  most like the easiest thing to be Like, that's player execution. There is
• 1:01:16
  nothing you can put on a head coach about kicking. Like a fifty nine
• 1:01:21
  yarder being made and a thirty four yarder being blocked, Like that is execution
• 1:01:25
  at its finest. There's so many just and I also feel like he's in
• 1:01:30
  a position where like he's damned if he does like damned if he doesn't.
• 1:01:32
  Like he plays he plays soft coverage and everybody's up set because the coverage is
• 1:01:37
  too soft. He brings a blitz and everybody's yelling at him for being stupid
• 1:01:40
  because he brought a blitz. Like it's there's just so much now. I
• 1:01:45
  feel like with Sean McDermott, we've like the fan base has lost no pun
• 1:01:51
  intended like the process of all of it and is purely results based, Like,
• 1:01:55
  yes, it's not that while the decision was sound, it just didn't
• 1:02:00
  work out the way you want. They It seems like the majority of the
• 1:02:01
  fan base is purely like, no, if this worked, it's amazing,
• 1:02:06
  regardless of if it's sustainable or should have worked or not. And if it
• 1:02:08
  doesn't work out, it sucks and this is terrible, regardless of how it
• 1:02:13
  should have gone or what the probability of it was. Like, everybody becomes
• 1:02:15
  so results based, which is understandable, and I think a lot of that
• 1:02:19
  ties into your initial point of it's the expectations now on the team because with
• 1:02:22
  those expectations there is less acceptance of error for the fan base. And when
• 1:02:30
  you have less acceptance of error, you're not focusing on the process as much.
• 1:02:34
  You're focusing almost purely on the results. Yeah, I mean, it's
• 1:02:37
  the NBA before Steph Curry happened, you know. It's Oh, I mean,
• 1:02:42
  there aren't bad shots in the NBA anymore because if your efficiency is good,
• 1:02:46
  no one cares about how you got there. And it's it's sad,
• 1:02:51
  but that's kind of the world we live in. It's it's an impatient world
• 1:02:54
  that is results driven, and that's kind of especially the football world living but
• 1:03:00
  that's the reality of it, especially in a playoff system where there is no
• 1:03:07
  like we've talked about it before, there is no like, ah, we
• 1:03:08
  lost game one. You know, best of seven or best of five will
• 1:03:10
  come get it. Now it's single elimination. If you have a bad day,
• 1:03:13
  or there's bad weather, or you got significant injuries that week, or
• 1:03:16
  somebody your main guy is sick and isn't up to snuff and you lose,
• 1:03:20
  you're done and everybody's coming for your throat. Yeah. Yeah, it's really
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  tough, and I hate to be in this position, but that's the position
• 1:03:28
  we're in. We just kind of have to wait and see how he handles
• 1:03:30
  the rest of the season. I really I wish I could have conviction on
• 1:03:36
  this, but I've been upset with things that he's done. And I mean
• 1:03:39
  specifically, I'm gonna get granular for a second, specifically with the with the
• 1:03:45
  damned if you do damned if you don't on these final drives, Like yeah,
• 1:03:47
  people do get upset if he sends these zero blitzes, and people get
• 1:03:51
  upset if he's playing soft zone, and it really sucks because I mean,
• 1:03:55
  it doesn't have to be all or nothing. And I think I understand where
• 1:04:00
  he's coming from as a head coach in terms of this offense is explosive.
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  We can afford to take these chances. If we take these chances with zero
• 1:04:09
  blitzes and create negative plays, it only gives our offenses better chances and if
• 1:04:13
  we don't our offenses, our offense can make up for it because it's so
• 1:04:15
  explosive. But I mean personally in the past, and this is where I've
• 1:04:21
  had a problem and I want him to find this middle ground. Is on
• 1:04:27
  these final drives, you really see him so afraid to give up a touchdown
• 1:04:31
  that he's giving up eight yards of play. And that's my issue. It's
• 1:04:36
  not like I don't like the zero blitzes and I don't like the afraid to
• 1:04:42
  give up a touchdown. I just want to live in a world where maybe
• 1:04:45
  he's okay in a single high shell and he's okay with the philosophy of giving
• 1:04:51
  up a touchdown and kind of playing a little bit tighter and squeezing space in
• 1:04:57
  the intermedia area of the field. And I feel like that that's kind of
• 1:05:00
  the world that we all want him to live in. But it's idealistic,
• 1:05:03
  and if you do that one too many times, you give up that touchdown.
• 1:05:08
  But this is kind of the point, like, if you give up
• 1:05:11
  that touchdown quickly, you give Josh Allen the chance to go fight for the
• 1:05:14
  scoreboard again. Complimentary football, you know, even though it's a term that
• 1:05:17
  everybody likes to mock and everything. Now it's you highlight a really good point
• 1:05:20
  though, Like it's just it's the same thing you and I were talking about
• 1:05:24
  a bunch throughout the season with Ken Dorsey, Like it's just there are so
• 1:05:29
  many variables in the game of football, from a coaching standpoint to the on
• 1:05:31
  the field standpoint with the players, everything on and off the field, Like
• 1:05:35
  it's very rare if ever you can just point the finger at one person coach,
• 1:05:41
  player, side of the ball, whatever, play, Like it's very
• 1:05:44
  rare where you can point in just one thing and be like, well,
• 1:05:45
  this team lost because of this because so many things are interconnected in a multitude
• 1:05:50
  a ways. Hell, even if oh this is good night, I didn't
• 1:05:54
  even mean to do it, but this Greg just commented this. Greg Davis
• 1:05:56
  said, if aj Brown finishes his third step fumbles call of bills, when,
• 1:06:00
  yeah, you're like an extra tenth of a second away from that being
• 1:06:02
  a fumble and the game being done or again, there's a ton of game
• 1:06:08
  left to be played after this. But if James Cook catches that rail route,
• 1:06:12
  that's a touchdown. Like let alone the field goals and everything else,
• 1:06:15
  like, but it changes the complexion of the game. As this game flow,
• 1:06:17
  it changes how play calling sequences happen, like it changes everything. And
• 1:06:24
  that's football that there's just so many variables that go on. There has been
• 1:06:28
  a multitude of amazing plays by players that have nullified huge gaffs and mistakes from
• 1:06:35
  other players and coaches throughout like the entire time that football and sports in general
• 1:06:41
  have existed. Like guys, you know, hitting home runs in the bottom
• 1:06:44
  of the ninth that makes everybody completely forget that the closer blew it in the
• 1:06:47
  top of the ninth by giving up two runs and letting the game be swinging
• 1:06:50
  through a take sign boom. That's a good piece. Yeah, Like all
• 1:06:54
  these things that like happen that nullify what goes on at times or kind of
• 1:06:59
  nullifies. I think that's a bigger thing that bothers me. Is like not
• 1:07:02
  to take it anything away from McDermott, you know, from a negative standpoint,
• 1:07:05
  but like, man, it's just like all these bad little things that
• 1:07:09
  continue to happen for this team this year, all these little tiny breadcrumbs like
• 1:07:12
  of failure that when added together, leads to the big six and six underwhelming
• 1:07:17
  puzzle. Like you literally just need one or two of these bounces to go
• 1:07:23
  your way and it's a completely different season. The fact that none of them
• 1:07:26
  have bounced their way from a player or coaching perspective, just bottles my mind,
• 1:07:31
  like because again we could We talked about it the last time you were
• 1:07:35
  here. If the if the field goal nonsense doesn't happen against Denver, does
• 1:07:39
  Ken Dorsey end up getting fired? He wasn't fired because of that one game
• 1:07:43
  result. It was a combination of a multitude of things. But does he
• 1:07:45
  still get fired if the Bills win that game? Are we still having Sean
• 1:07:48
  McDermott's head on a stick right now? If the injuries don't happen to Milano
• 1:07:51
  and Daikwon Jones, and or if the Bills pull out this win against the
• 1:07:56
  Eagles, Because my thought is with how reactionary everyone is. If the Bills
• 1:08:00
  beat the Eagles, however they beat them thirty eight thirty four, forty one
• 1:08:03
  thirty eight, whatever the hell the score was going to be, everybody would
• 1:08:06
  have texted the stringer bell get from the wire saying tell everybody, we back
• 1:08:11
  up, and they would have been Bill's mafia all day. Bills are back.
• 1:08:14
  Just beat the Eagles seven and five, no one can stop us,
• 1:08:15
  and a lot of this conversation wouldn't be happening. It seems like there's just
• 1:08:18
  so much ebbing and flowing based on results, which is again losing sight of
• 1:08:24
  what is happening that leads to those results and whether or not sustainable positively or
• 1:08:29
  negatively. And when that starts to happen, man like, you can get
• 1:08:33
  lost in like the sauce, I think this fan base has gotten lost in
• 1:08:38
  some ways because of that expectation. I mean, you think about what just
• 1:08:41
  happened this past Sunday. The Bills played like a championship caliber football team,
• 1:08:45
  yeah, against the great football team like that. Sure, the Eagles didn't
• 1:08:49
  play their best. They didn't have Lane Johnson whatever. The Bills didn't have
• 1:08:54
  Daikwon Jones. The Bills didn't have Matt mallonad. The Bills didn't have Trey
• 1:08:57
  White Like. Injuries happen, right, but the Bill still played fantastic football
• 1:09:01
  despite all of that, despite some coaching blunders, despite everything, despite the
• 1:09:06
  weather, like, the Bills played a fantastic game and they came up short.
• 1:09:12
  If they were going into this game with less losses and they lost to
• 1:09:16
  the Eagles, in that way, that game would be taken so differently.
• 1:09:20
  And I can tell you today, like from a national perspective, like teams
• 1:09:25
  respect the Bills like teams respect the Bills now, and they understand that they
• 1:09:30
  are better than six and six because of the measuring stick that that game was
• 1:09:34
  and who they played and how they played that game. And I'm notably how
• 1:09:39
  Josh Allen played that game and how Josh Allen has played the last two weeks,
• 1:09:43
  Like this team isn't reflective of a six and six record. I think
• 1:09:47
  this season, like where the team is right now is not six and six.
• 1:09:51
  Where the team is in twenty twenty three as a whole. Yeah,
• 1:09:56
  it's six and six, like we got here for a reason, But the
• 1:09:59
  way the team is playing right now is not a six and six team.
• 1:10:01
  And I feel like people have lost that because of the playoff picture, of
• 1:10:05
  the playoff race, the rest of the schedule, and like all of that
• 1:10:09
  is fair, Like it's fair to do that as a fan, but holistically,
• 1:10:13
  like the way this team played on Sunday, they're better than six and
• 1:10:16
  six, and they have every opportunity to finish the season eleven and six.
• 1:10:21
  Yeah, And like I said, like I this lost against the Eagles like
• 1:10:26
  kills me. But it's just because like the little things that led to it,
• 1:10:30
  Like I felt worse after the Denver loss. The New England one was
• 1:10:32
  probably the worst one to me because I thought they were such a bad football
• 1:10:34
  team. Yeah, I mean that's the most points the Patriots scored all year,
• 1:10:39
  by nine. It's brutal, and they were just they limped into that
• 1:10:43
  game. Things were so bad, like and from I mean, the Patriots
• 1:10:45
  limped in like they were some bad football team, even like the Jets loss
• 1:10:48
  is frustrating, but like we talked about before, Okay, you can chalk
• 1:10:51
  it up to like Week one, nonsense whatever, get your footing, come
• 1:10:54
  back and man, like it's just been a wild year. And yeah,
• 1:10:58
  I don't think this team. And it's funny too, Like I know,
• 1:11:00
  I don't want to get into it too much because it's you know, such
• 1:11:03
  a hot topic now, but like the whole advanced metric piece, like the
• 1:11:06
  Bills are in the top tier for like everything, for EPA and all these
• 1:11:11
  things that should say like this is a really good football team and the fact
• 1:11:14
  that they're sitting there at six and six and again, like we talked about
• 1:11:15
  like it's gonna be a wild ride coming out of the by they could run
• 1:11:19
  the table and go eleven and six and be that team. And again I
• 1:11:23
  was saying this before you jump and jump out of the show, like they
• 1:11:25
  could be the wildcard team going in at eleven and six that nobody wants to
• 1:11:29
  play and everybody's like crapy, like the Bills got in. Or they could
• 1:11:31
  finish seven and ten or only might finish with six wins, or finish nine
• 1:11:35
  and eight or eight to nine, Like there's a multitude of possibilities, and
• 1:11:40
  yeah, it kind of makes that Sean McDermott seat potentially hotter. We'll see
• 1:11:44
  what happens with Joe Brady, Like there's so many unknowns from like a football
• 1:11:47
  perspective that are kind of fun but also like terrifying and terrible at the same
• 1:11:53
  time. And one of those pieces kend as we switched well anything ann on
• 1:11:57
  Sean mcderhm before we soarch the conversation. No, I had a question for
• 1:12:00
  you, but I think I'll just save it because I don't want to step
• 1:12:01
  on the toes of the segments and how they're driven. Because I'll save it
• 1:12:06
  and see if it gets touched and then I'll bring it up at the end
• 1:12:09
  fair enough. I like it to make sure you don't forget. Make sure
• 1:12:11
  you mark it, because I'm gonna forget nice von Miller. I kind of
• 1:12:16
  I was gonna find some clever way of being like speaking of disappointments like von
• 1:12:20
  Miller man just so, just for some perspective for people. Although this isn't
• 1:12:27
  gonna make people feel better again. Last year, he played through the first
• 1:12:30
  eleven games. He got hurt in that eleventh game against the Detroit Lions,
• 1:12:33
  but he led all Bills defensive linemen last year in pass rush productivity. He
• 1:12:38
  averaged roughly four pressures per game with the Bills, was tremendous upfront, looked
• 1:12:44
  every bit like the superstar that he was brought on to be. This year,
• 1:12:47
  he's tenth amongst Bill's defensive linemen in past rush productivity and he's averaging I'm
• 1:12:54
  sorry, one pressure per game. So is that since he's been active or
• 1:12:59
  the entire season? What do you mean? Like, is he ranking Yeah?
• 1:13:03
  Is he tenth on the team since the week that he's been active or
• 1:13:08
  tenth on the team including the entire year? Oh? Actually, in the
• 1:13:11
  productivity. It's an efficiency metric already. It's so tenth on the team for
• 1:13:15
  the entire year. And again that I even I included if you're going with
• 1:13:19
  the entire team. Again, sample size will throw it off, but he's
• 1:13:23
  eighteenth overall. But you have guys like Trey White has a fifty pass rush
• 1:13:28
  productivity because he rushed once and got a hit on aery, rushed twice and
• 1:13:31
  got a QB hit on one, so he's at fifty percent. But yeah,
• 1:13:34
  so tenth this year amongst Bill's defensive lineman in pass rush productivity, first
• 1:13:40
  last year. But the big one is the pressures per game. He went
• 1:13:42
  four pressures per game last year, technically a little over four because he had
• 1:13:45
  forty five pressures in eleven games, technically like eleven, not even full eleven,
• 1:13:49
  like ten in a quarter because he got injured to start the second half.
• 1:13:54
  But only one pressure per game this year. And I'm not here's my
• 1:14:00
  thing with all of it and what it's not a non issue for me,
• 1:14:01
  but one I do think he's shown some improvement little by little, week by
• 1:14:05
  week. It's marginal and it's small, but he's got some good reps on
• 1:14:09
  tape. But any way that you slice it. He's fourth on the edge
• 1:14:13
  depth chart, behind Leonard Floyd, Greg Russo and Ajpanessa. And Groot is
• 1:14:17
  playing hurt. He's got multiple injuries with his foot slash ankle. It's a
• 1:14:20
  problem, but I think all of it, like how frustrated people are with
• 1:14:25
  him, is purely determined. Again, we talk about this expectation thing.
• 1:14:28
  How frustrated you are with him is determined by what you expected from him this
• 1:14:31
  year. Now, for me, I didn't expect much. I didn't even
• 1:14:35
  think he'd come back. I didn't even think he'd come back slash. I
• 1:14:38
  didn't want him to come back until November, like, just take your time,
• 1:14:42
  do your thing. And when he did come back, I thought it
• 1:14:45
  would just be he'd be like a rotational cherry on top to a good football
• 1:14:48
  team. Problem is he hasn't really been a cherry on top in coming back.
• 1:14:55
  And then that is wrapped in the bigger part of the bigger problem,
• 1:14:59
  which is the injuries and injuries to the defense and the team record as a
• 1:15:02
  whole has put everyone under a microscope, and his name and contract makes that
• 1:15:09
  microscope light or that like bog lamp light shine super brightly on him. The
• 1:15:14
  team's banged up, they're losing, and when that happens, for most people,
• 1:15:17
  I think they would look at him and be like, man, it'd
• 1:15:19
  be nice if your superstars played like superstars and could be a difference maker.
• 1:15:25
  And he's still like a superstar in name. But I thought it was a
• 1:15:28
  lot to expect from him this year to be that superstar level Von Miller.
• 1:15:31
  He's thirty four years old, he's coming off of torn ACL. He'd already
• 1:15:35
  torn that ACL before, and we also have that kind of like rule of
• 1:15:39
  thumb where usually you're not back to or close to your previous self until two
• 1:15:45
  years removed from that injury. So you have that on top of again being
• 1:15:48
  thirty four and tearing that ACL for the second time. I never expected much
• 1:15:53
  from him in this season. Again. I thought he'd be like a nice
• 1:15:56
  rotational cherry on top. I do think he's been underwhelming. I am concerned,
• 1:16:01
  you know, in terms of how much juice he can add, what's
• 1:16:03
  he going to look like next year? And now all of a sudden,
• 1:16:05
  that contract that he signed very much looks like an albatross. But where where's
• 1:16:11
  your head at when it comes to evaluating Von Miller so far this year,
• 1:16:13
  and you know, kind of what do you expect going forward from him?
• 1:16:16
  No, I mean, I actual I echo a lot of the same,
• 1:16:18
  the same thoughts. I mean, I'm frustrated with, honestly, how they
• 1:16:23
  handled bringing him back more than anything. I think it was obviously clear that
• 1:16:29
  he was determined to come back quickly and help this team get to the place
• 1:16:33
  that they think they can be. But I don't know if I really don't
• 1:16:39
  want to speak to the idea that he rushed his rehabit anyway, because I
• 1:16:42
  don't really think that's true. But I think the Bills in terms of bringing
• 1:16:45
  him back kind of rushed it. And I think they did everything that they
• 1:16:50
  could to slow him down and understand like, hey, you're thirty three,
• 1:16:56
  Like we don't need to win football games in September. We need to win
• 1:17:00
  football games in December, January, you know what I mean, Like that's
• 1:17:04
  what's most important. The rest of our team. We have a roster that's
• 1:17:09
  set up to, you know, get ourselves in a position to hold us
• 1:17:12
  in a place where when you come back, you will be welcomed and you
• 1:17:15
  will be a great help. But I think, like opening that twenty one
• 1:17:20
  day window and then making him active that week, like you have a twenty
• 1:17:24
  one day window, Like look at what the Vikings are doing right now with
• 1:17:27
  Justin Jefferson, Like you know what I mean, Like there's a twenty one
• 1:17:30
  day window for a reason. There's no reason to risk it in any way,
• 1:17:35
  and especially with the the investment that we made in von Miller last offseason,
• 1:17:41
  like the age he is, Like what are we doing, Like there
• 1:17:45
  is no reason to rush him back that quickly. There's a reason we sign
• 1:17:49
  Leonard Floyd, Like there were there were things that the Bills did in terms
• 1:17:56
  of player personnel to mitigate the law von Miller for half the season, and
• 1:18:01
  I thought it was It was honestly really well handled by Brandon Bean. But
• 1:18:05
  then when we get to the point of you know, activating him off IR,
• 1:18:10
  I just I really wondered what was going on because not only did did
• 1:18:14
  we activate him for that first game and not utilize the full opportunity of the
• 1:18:18
  twenty one day window, but he's playing on such a limited pitch count.
• 1:18:25
  It's like, what was the point then, Like if he was if he
• 1:18:28
  was going to be practicing with game reps, just let him practice with practice
• 1:18:31
  reps like it just does it. It's malpractice, like it it is malpractice
• 1:18:38
  at its roots, and it sucks because he was a fantastic player, And
• 1:18:44
  I don't know if was should be like a cemented term for who he is
• 1:18:47
  as a player. I really don't know. But right now my expectations are
• 1:18:53
  really low. And I don't know if that's because of Vaughn or if it's
• 1:18:56
  because of the malpractice of the bills and how they use the IRT. I
• 1:19:00
  just I really don't understand what happened there and what the thought process was,
• 1:19:04
  because it feels really disjointed, like specifically the signing of Leonard Floyd specifically,
• 1:19:12
  and then how great he was through the first four weeks, and then they're
• 1:19:16
  like, oh, we gotta get von back, you know, like we're
• 1:19:18
  hurting without him, Like are we are? Are we hurting without our thirty
• 1:19:24
  three year old who's rehabbing from his second ACL injury four thirty four now,
• 1:19:30
  yeah, and and he's had an Achilles injury. Like this guy he is
• 1:19:35
  he makes a living on core stability, ankle, knee, flesh letticism.
• 1:19:43
  Then like he makes a living a Hall of Fame career off of the bend
• 1:19:48
  the flextion of his lower extremities, and you're like, yeah, we gotta
• 1:19:54
  get him back because we're hurting when we're top five in the league in sacks.
• 1:19:59
  The p yeah, right, like the pitch galln thing really got me,
• 1:20:01
  and like that's a good point because he comes back. The Jacksonville game
• 1:20:04
  was the first game back, right, Yes, it was peak five.
• 1:20:08
  Yeah, and he played like his snaps were so he was on the field
• 1:20:13
  so sparingly. I'm actually going to yeah, I want to check this out
• 1:20:15
  too, like specifically this snap. Yeah, I'm pulling him right now.
• 1:20:18
  So he was on the field against Jacksonville for twenty twenty snaps. Twenty snaps
• 1:20:25
  for Jacksonville. Actually, this is higher than I thought. It was twenty
• 1:20:29
  snaps against Jacksonville, twenty seven against the Giants, six versus the Patriots,
• 1:20:34
  twenty six versus Tampa, twenty four vers Cincinnati, twenty two versus denverse sixteen
• 1:20:40
  versus the Jets, and twenty one versus Philly, majority of those reps being
• 1:20:45
  pass rush one hundred and thirteen pass rushes to forty run defense snaps. It's
• 1:20:50
  actually, again higher than I thought it was, especially for that first game.
• 1:20:54
  But yeah to a degree, Like if if you are so concerned about
• 1:20:58
  the pitch count, just let him build it up with practice reps and like
• 1:21:01
  in game situations within a practice time. Now again, I know nothing can
• 1:21:06
  simulate you know, game reps like being in an actual game, so on
• 1:21:10
  and so forth, but it was a very interesting handling of it. And
• 1:21:14
  I'm I'm honestly on the fence. I hate being a fensitter, but for
• 1:21:16
  this one, I truly am on the fence, Like because I don't part
• 1:21:20
  of me doesn't think he's washed. He he's at a couple reps where he's
• 1:21:25
  going through guys and driving. Now does he have the bend and the flection?
• 1:21:29
  No? Right, like that that's what I'm most concerned about. Like
• 1:21:31
  I have really only seen him try and go speed power so far, that's
• 1:21:35
  all he's done. Like and he gets if he gets good hand placement in
• 1:21:39
  someone's chest, he's driving him back. Like he's been good on a couple
• 1:21:42
  of spikes. He's been good at wrong arming tight ends on split zone runs.
• 1:21:46
  Like he's at a couple of good reps where you see some power or
• 1:21:49
  you see some speed to power. But exactly to your point, man,
• 1:21:54
  like you're not seeing him win around the arc or run, you know,
• 1:21:59
  run that arc in flat. And what's concerning for me with him is it's
• 1:22:02
  that right acl and he's so dominant off of the defense's left, which means
• 1:22:09
  his right knee is that inside knee. That's the one he's leaning on when
• 1:22:13
  he's bending, when he's dipping around that side. But also it's not great
• 1:22:17
  from the other side either, because if we rush from the other side,
• 1:22:19
  that's the needed is to plan on the outside to flatten and kind of run
• 1:22:24
  that art the light and yeah, or spike inside. And he has a
• 1:22:30
  repertoire of pass rush moves like this is a person who, you know,
• 1:22:33
  the whole pass rush summit like, he's tremendously heady. He is fur as
• 1:22:36
  much as he is athletic and an impressive specimen. Like from a physical standpoint,
• 1:22:42
  he is tremendously heady. From a football IQ standpoint, like, he
• 1:22:45
  is a craftsman when it comes to pass rushing and understanding leverage and positioning and
• 1:22:49
  how to rush the quarterback and how to beat offensive lineman. That being said,
• 1:22:55
  so many of his moves are tied to and or dependent upon that lower
• 1:23:00
  body flexibility, fluidity, strength, and stability. And I'm concerned with what
• 1:23:06
  I've seen now Again, it could be just basic, Like we said,
• 1:23:11
  dude's thirty four. It's the second time he tore that ACL. And even
• 1:23:14
  if he wasn't thirty four and hadn't torn that ACL before, you usually don't
• 1:23:17
  see guys get back to themselves until the second year removed from that ACL.
• 1:23:23
  We saw with Trey White last year, right, who Trey White was down
• 1:23:25
  the stretch in twenty twenty two was significantly different than what he was this year
• 1:23:29
  in twenty twenty three. Again, ironically, the play where he pops his
• 1:23:32
  achilles is because he's one on one covering Tyreek Hill and does a tremendous job
• 1:23:36
  in that Miami game, right Like, So it's even if you're a prime
• 1:23:42
  specimen in the prime of your career and have never had an injury before,
• 1:23:45
  it's still usually going to take you two years. So he's got that on
• 1:23:48
  top of again being thirty four miles on the tires and having torn that ACL
• 1:23:53
  before. But I am concerned of what does he look like next year?
• 1:23:58
  Yeah, I'm past like what he's gonna be this year. Like, I
• 1:24:00
  don't think this year, he's gonna be anything more than a spiker off of
• 1:24:05
  the defense's left, so going against right tackles so he can plant on that
• 1:24:09
  left leg agast spike inside. I don't think he's gonna be anything more than
• 1:24:12
  a spiker and a guy who can do speed to power. I'm really,
• 1:24:15
  really really hoping that man, Like the if the game is on the line
• 1:24:20
  against the Chiefs and he just burns like Juwan Taylor around the corner and strip
• 1:24:26
  sacks Mahomes and it's like, oh, like awesome, Like there's that one
• 1:24:28
  play, maybe we'll see what happens, but he just Mike mcglinchy has had
• 1:24:32
  a horrible year for Denver right tackle and he like he talking like second.
• 1:24:36
  I think it was second most pressures given up amongst tackles, like one of
• 1:24:40
  the worst efficiency ratings for pass blocking amongst all offensive linemen especialty tackles. And
• 1:24:45
  Vaughn couldn't generate anything against Tim. He couldn't generate really anything against the Jets.
• 1:24:48
  There were a couple reps in this game against Philly where and I hate
• 1:24:53
  doing this, like he's getting one on one block by like stole the tight
• 1:24:57
  end, like he can't get past stole like, which is that would have
• 1:25:00
  been a death sentence even last year, Like that would have been a death
• 1:25:02
  sentence, Like you're gonna block Bond Miller with a tight end, Like you
• 1:25:05
  just signed your own death certificate, Like you're done. And I'm more concerned
• 1:25:10
  for what he is next year because I don't know if it's just this you
• 1:25:15
  know, he doesn't trust the knee yet, or you know, again it's
• 1:25:18
  the year two thing, YadA, YadA. I don't know if it's one
• 1:25:20
  of those things, or if it truly is like nah man, like he
• 1:25:25
  significantly impacted a core piece of his game and he ain't coming back. Yeah,
• 1:25:30
  that's my primary concern. It's it's really just about you know, where
• 1:25:32
  his bread is buttered, like how he made his career and if that has
• 1:25:38
  been impacted too much. I mean, looking at his contract right now and
• 1:25:42
  looking at next season, like we're looking at essentially a twenty four million dollar
• 1:25:45
  cap hit for a rotational pass rushers. What's his dead cap if he gets
• 1:25:50
  cut next year at any point, Like, what's the best option, whether
• 1:25:54
  it's like a post like whether it's a post June first release, post June
• 1:25:58
  first trade, like, what is it? I know it's high, I
• 1:26:00
  just don't remember it off. If I'm reading SPA track, right, it's
• 1:26:02
  thirty two and a half. That's what I thought it was. I thought
• 1:26:04
  it was thirty two million. God that sucks. So and oh here's a
• 1:26:09
  question an ideal nice and Bill's our electric just came into and said thirty two
• 1:26:13
  already all over the interactive watching from right. I also love Richard just said,
• 1:26:18
  yeah, don't ask I like that. Would you start Kingsley Jonathan?
• 1:26:26
  Like, would you sit Vaughn and play Kingsley Jonathan over him? Like if
• 1:26:30
  push came to shove and you had to put one on the field for a
• 1:26:31
  game, who are you playing? I mean it's tough to say that because
• 1:26:36
  Vaughn's going to be coming off of a bye week now. Like, if
• 1:26:40
  you had asked me that going into the Philly game, I think it would
• 1:26:43
  have made more sense because then you essentially have like twenty days. Okay,
• 1:26:45
  let me rephrase. It's fourth down. It's a known pass rushing situation right
• 1:26:50
  now, games on the line. It's it's fourth and eight and you're up
• 1:26:56
  by six. Whatever the hell I would Yeah, I don't kings Jonathan,
• 1:27:00
  Dude, it does. It's just input name here, Like it's not even
• 1:27:04
  like specifically Kingsley Jonathan. It's just like, would you would you rush Okay,
• 1:27:10
  I'm being dead serious right now, would you rush Tyrrell Dodson off the
• 1:27:15
  edge instead of Von Miller in a known past rushing situation to win the game?
• 1:27:20
  Who's replacing Dodson in his traditional position? Okay, so it's dependent upon
• 1:27:26
  who's replacing. There's a lot of fair Okay, okay, okay, okay.
• 1:27:28
  Poyer is in the dime line, Okay, yes, yeah, I'm
• 1:27:33
  doing it because I think Dodson has like just the tenacity, Like right now,
• 1:27:38
  Vaughn's not really playing with like a tenacity about him either. I feel
• 1:27:42
  like there's not a lot of I mean, there's not a lot of grit
• 1:27:45
  to what he's doing. Like he can't get in there and like I don't
• 1:27:48
  know, he can't, he can't. He can't do much right now,
• 1:27:53
  man, Like it is von cheering from the sideline, for sure, but
• 1:27:59
  Ellen knows. I honestly feel like the just the way Dotson plays is very
• 1:28:05
  gritty, Like there's just a lot of tenacity and grittiness to the way he
• 1:28:10
  plays no with no technicality in how he rushes the passer. But I feel
• 1:28:15
  like just alone on the greatness. But no, like what's crazy is and
• 1:28:20
  this is what sucks. The fact that you immediately weren't like Anthony, that's
• 1:28:26
  a stupid question. The fact that we are actually like entertaining it and you're
• 1:28:30
  explaining it is wild. And I really want to reframe like this whole thing,
• 1:28:36
  like this is not a shit on Vaughn thing, Like I am so
• 1:28:42
  like I am so much more upset with the Bills with how they handled Vaughn
• 1:28:46
  instead of Vaughn himself. Like I am sure Vaughn was technically in a position
• 1:28:51
  to be ready for Week one, but like he was never going to be
• 1:28:56
  at a position to help this team. And it's on the team to make
• 1:28:59
  sure he understands that he just needs to keep doing what he's doing and they're
• 1:29:03
  only going to activate him once he's in a position to actually help this team,
• 1:29:08
  once he's in a position to actually be better than the fifty third man
• 1:29:11
  on the roster man. Yeah, it really is. It's so funny too,
• 1:29:17
  Like I wasn't even like when he was activated for the Jacksonville game and
• 1:29:21
  I saw the snap count, I was like, okay, like they're gonna
• 1:29:24
  ramp him up little hill, and I figured it would go from twenty to
• 1:29:28
  twenty five to thirty or some incremental increase. It's just stuck though, yeah,
• 1:29:32
  because also like to But here's the thing too, like I don't even
• 1:29:34
  know if it's stuck because he's still on a pitch count, or it's stuck
• 1:29:38
  because they're like, well, he ain't doing anything, so why put him
• 1:29:43
  out there? And I tell you where I'm at. And I don't even
• 1:29:44
  think this is like a hot take, And I'm very happy because I believed
• 1:29:46
  in him a little bit. Aj Apanessa needs to be on the field when
• 1:29:50
  it comes asstressing situations, like all like it. Grud is banged up,
• 1:29:55
  so you're it's up and down with what you're getting from him. Ajen Essa
• 1:30:00
  and Leonard Floyd need to be your dudes coming off the edge in no path
• 1:30:02
  pushing situations. I am not taking aj Apanessa or Leonard Floyd, either of
• 1:30:06
  them off the field for von Miller, which is wild and and I'm probably
• 1:30:11
  trotting out Greg Russeau with like a broken foot or whatever the hell he's got
• 1:30:15
  going on. You can tell like he's hurting. I'm probably trotting him out
• 1:30:19
  there at edge. Other than von Miller, i'd even damn, this is
• 1:30:23
  brutal too, But this is also kind of fun Schematically, I'd put at
• 1:30:26
  Oliver at edge and rush and rush him off. Then I would bond at
• 1:30:30
  this point, like he's just not given you quality reps. And there there
• 1:30:34
  is a certain usage for him, like we've said right like you can have
• 1:30:38
  the have him inside as a spiker. You can have him, you know,
• 1:30:44
  as that guy to go speed to power and see what he can do.
• 1:30:46
  But it's just it's it's so niche for what he can do right now,
• 1:30:51
  and it's it sucks watching him out there, like he doesn't look comfortable,
• 1:30:56
  he doesn't look like he has any juice from an emotional standpoint or a
• 1:30:59
  physical standpoint, like and again I don't think this is this is probably a
• 1:31:04
  minor storyline when you're talking about a playoff push if Daikwon Jones is there and
• 1:31:10
  Matt Mullano is there and Trey, even if Trey went down, like Trey
• 1:31:13
  is tremendously important to me. But given what the Bills have at corner,
• 1:31:16
  I think they could have even without Rasoul Douglas. I was not happy,
• 1:31:20
  but I would have been okay with Dan Jackson and Benford and Elam versus going
• 1:31:26
  from Milano to Dodson and Williams and or going from Daikwon Jones to everything else
• 1:31:30
  that's come after Daiwon Jones, Like those injuries killed them, and if they're
• 1:31:33
  all those dudes are healthy, then this vond storyline is like the nitpick for
• 1:31:39
  everyone. Like everybody's sitting being like, man, well you know the bills
• 1:31:42
  are nine and three or ten and two or whatever, but like, what's
• 1:31:45
  von Miller going to look like? And then it's more of like a fun
• 1:31:46
  if then type of conversation. Instead, it's just a disappointing conversation on top
• 1:31:53
  of what's been an underwhelming and disappointing season up to this point. Yep,
• 1:31:58
  such is life? Yup? Man, that's yeah, it's sad, it
• 1:32:02
  sucks, and I don't so, yeah, I don't expect much from him
• 1:32:05
  going forward this year. I think what we've seen. I think he might
• 1:32:11
  have a flash here and there that could get you excited for twenty twenty four,
• 1:32:15
  But for me, I don't have much expectation for him for twenty twenty
• 1:32:18
  three. My bigger focus or worrier question is what to expect from him in
• 1:32:23
  twenty twenty four. They go, given a full off season, we'll see
• 1:32:26
  how he starts to come back and go from there. That's really the main
• 1:32:29
  concern. The out is after twenty twenty four, So twenty twenty four is
• 1:32:32
  the big evaluation. Yeah, hopefully we get as many flashes as possible this
• 1:32:36
  year, but yeah, agreed, expectations are low. Bro. You remember
• 1:32:42
  you and I went live on Disguy's coverage, Bro, the day he was
• 1:32:45
  signed. He signed at like six point fifty two, and we went live
• 1:32:49
  at seven o'clock, Like we were in we were offline, like talking about
• 1:32:54
  the show notes, and all of a sudden we were both like, dude,
• 1:32:57
  von Miller just signed with the Bills and we had to scrap everything and
• 1:32:59
  redoing. Man, like the excitement from that moment. I also think that's
• 1:33:02
  a point too, Like everybody who's like shitting on the von Miller contract for
• 1:33:09
  remember, yeah, remember that feeling, right Like for most it's hindsight.
• 1:33:13
  I don't think very few people were coming in here that and the people who
• 1:33:17
  were negative about it were chiefs, fans or Broncos fans who were just like
• 1:33:21
  upset and being bitter, like whatever the hell, or Rams fans or whoever
• 1:33:25
  was like poopoo in it. But that was an amazing signing. Like that
• 1:33:30
  was a put your chips into the middle of the table, drop your nuts
• 1:33:32
  type of signing from Brandon Bean and until Von went down last year, it
• 1:33:36
  worked. He was a stud and the bills front was nasty, so to
• 1:33:42
  like shit all over it. Now again, I think a lot of it
• 1:33:45
  is very much like hindsight based, and yes, if he cannot be anything
• 1:33:49
  close to what he was, and if he is just a shell of himself,
• 1:33:53
  that contract is a tremendous albatross, and it is. It is terrible.
• 1:33:57
  But in that moment, it was a tremendous signing and it still was.
• 1:34:00
  What I would add is in that moment, I think the first thing
• 1:34:03
  people saw was was the sticker price that the six years for one hundred twenty
• 1:34:09
  million for a thirty three year old, and everyone's like, that's stupid.
• 1:34:12
  That's an objectively stupid signing to give someone that old that much money. And
• 1:34:17
  then we got the details and we saw it was essentially a three year with
• 1:34:21
  an out and there's more attached to it. Literally, once you learned the
• 1:34:26
  three year with an out with attachments, you're like, the only thing that
• 1:34:29
  could break this contract as an early injury, and that's what happened. That's
• 1:34:32
  what happened. And to like to that point as well, he like that
• 1:34:39
  very that was always going to be a move that like at the end of
• 1:34:42
  the second year, even if he balled out, you were still gonna be
• 1:34:45
  like, oh, that cap hit is rough. Like that move was a
• 1:34:47
  very much like, yo, we're going for a title in twenty twenty two
• 1:34:49
  and twenty twenty three, Like if he doesn't go down, you're still looking
• 1:34:54
  at a dude who's like top ten edge rusher at that position first, like
• 1:34:57
  top fifteen, and he's having a significant impact. But yeah, man,
• 1:35:00
  it's wild, Like how how short like a couple of years, and how
• 1:35:03
  that conversation changes from when you know the conversation you and I are having now,
• 1:35:06
  so what it was like and of breaking the news for everyone at time
• 1:35:10
  fly? Now what time does fly? Now? You're in what eighth grade
• 1:35:14
  now and you're growing right absolutely crazy? All right, last segment here for
• 1:35:17
  you. You can break them down in detail. You can list them whatever
• 1:35:20
  you got. I don't know if you have one, if you have several,
• 1:35:24
  What for you needs to be fixed and or improved? I hear you
• 1:35:28
  go, what for you needs to be fixed or improved for this Bills team
• 1:35:32
  coming out of the buy too, whether it's broad you know, make the
• 1:35:35
  playoffs, or specifically, like here's what they need to do to win five
• 1:35:39
  out of five and run the table, Like what for you goes into that
• 1:35:43
  bucket? And if you want me to go first, I can, But
• 1:35:45
  you know, what do you got? I'm just trying to think defensively,
• 1:35:48
  like specifically what I would change defensively, because I like the direction of the
• 1:35:53
  offense. I like where it's going. I think the only thing I change
• 1:35:56
  about the offense right now is keep Dalton King had involved. I feel like
• 1:36:00
  he'll fizzle out of game plans a little bit, like the offense works when
• 1:36:06
  he's going. Not saying we need to force feed him or anything. I
• 1:36:10
  just think he deserves targets, So I'd like to see those targets scattered throughout
• 1:36:15
  the game. Just offensively, but then I mean defensively, it's just so
• 1:36:23
  tough because of the replacements. Like what's going on right now it's it's tough
• 1:36:27
  to say, like like the thing is like linebacker, like yeah, like
• 1:36:31
  I don't know sign Shack Leonard, like I don't know, Like it doesn't
• 1:36:36
  seem like that's happening. After visits with the Cowboys and Eagles, he's so
• 1:36:41
  like I looked into like some because I thought it was just a back injury,
• 1:36:45
  but it's like a nerve injury that was causing back problems, like and
• 1:36:47
  you watch him like I feel some of the most fun conversations I had with
• 1:36:51
  people was like, who's the best off ball linebacker Fred Warner or like Shaq
• 1:36:56
  Leonard back when he was Darius Leonard. It just sucks to see, Like
• 1:36:59
  this is non Bills related, but like I feel so bad for him because
• 1:37:01
  he was at and was he was one of legitimately the best football players,
• 1:37:05
  not just linebackers, or he was one of the best football players in all
• 1:37:09
  the football and it just sucks to see what he is now. I really
• 1:37:15
  can't. I can't think of anything like specific to the defense. I think
• 1:37:18
  broadly. Adjustment base is one for me, like in game adjustice and recognizing
• 1:37:24
  it's such a Sean McDermott thing that I don't know if that's happening just correct
• 1:37:29
  coming out of a bye week, you know, you know what I mean,
• 1:37:31
  Like that seems like a like an off season self scouting thing that he's
• 1:37:34
  had the opportunity to do before. So it seems it seems a little like
• 1:37:41
  revisionist history to be like, yeah, he needs to improve this, Like
• 1:37:44
  he's needed to improve this, stop stop giving up points, Like a bye
• 1:37:47
  week isn't going to do that, you know, I think, like my
• 1:37:53
  my biggest thing, and it's super broad and like honestly very obvious, but
• 1:37:58
  like you have to win every AFC game, Like, if you're gonna lose
• 1:38:01
  a game down the stretch, it has to be to the Cowboys. That
• 1:38:04
  is the only game you can lose. That's fair. I'm so, I'm
• 1:38:10
  That's also another like frustrating thing for me too, Like all their friggin' losses,
• 1:38:16
  except for this last one against the Eagles, have all been conference losses,
• 1:38:20
  which hurt them for the play. Like it's bad enough to like you've
• 1:38:25
  lost the tiebreaker to the Broncos, like, but all their losses are conference
• 1:38:30
  losses, so they don't even have that, Like, man, it's just
• 1:38:32
  it's so unfortunate from that standpoint, that's a huge one for me as well.
• 1:38:35
  Yeah, like if you're gonna lose one, it has to be the
• 1:38:38
  NFC game. But even then, like you still can't afford it, like
• 1:38:42
  because you have to you have to have so much help with all the teams
• 1:38:45
  that are ahead of you, and because you're in that tiebreaker scenario, like
• 1:38:47
  you've left yourself so little room for error. Like are we rooting for the
• 1:38:50
  Texans this week against the Broncos because I don't, like, I think the
• 1:38:56
  Texans are the better team, so I want the Bronco to win. But
• 1:39:00
  then like the Sas were behind the eight ball, and the same thing for
• 1:39:04
  this pross we cannot make the player I know, like and it was the
• 1:39:09
  same thing for this past weekend, like I was rooting for the Bengals to
• 1:39:12
  beat the Steelers, but then I was like, well then the the Bengals
• 1:39:15
  will be ahead of the Bills still, but no, they'll lose out in
• 1:39:17
  the end. And then I was like, but will they Like it just
• 1:39:21
  sucks to do this, like knowing that they it's not even one of those
• 1:39:25
  like you know, the schedule, like I remember last year with Miami after
• 1:39:30
  the Bills lost the first one in Miami. Yeah, I still thought the
• 1:39:31
  Bills were the better team. And I remember seeing Miamis schedule and knowing who
• 1:39:34
  Miami was, and I was like, it's gonna be fine, Like it'll
• 1:39:39
  even out. The Bills will win that game on Saturday Night, they'll take
• 1:39:41
  the division back. Same thing when the Bills lost in New England the year
• 1:39:44
  before or whatever, like on the Monday night game where the Pats only threw
• 1:39:46
  it like three times or whatever. I looked at the schedule, I saw
• 1:39:48
  what it was. I was like, it's fine, they'll get that division.
• 1:39:51
  They'll be fine. I saw the two schedules. It's okay. I
• 1:39:54
  don't feel super confident now because like the Texans are like good, but they
• 1:39:57
  can go anywhere. Their schedule isn't super hard anything with the Broncos. Same
• 1:40:00
  thing with the Browns, same thing with the freaking Colts. Like I can't
• 1:40:03
  believe we're I can't believe these are split schedule. This is this is the
• 1:40:09
  like it's not even the first play schedule piece. It's like even with the
• 1:40:12
  first play schedule, Like there's legitimately three losses that should not have existed for
• 1:40:15
  this team that first Jets game, the Pats game, and the Broncos game.
• 1:40:19
  This team should be sitting there at nine and three and we're not even
• 1:40:23
  having a question about any nine and three with the tough part coming up exactly.
• 1:40:27
  Yes, it just sucks, like it's so frustrating. I hate that
• 1:40:30
  conference piece. It's it's driving me nuts, like going forward and thinking of
• 1:40:34
  like tiebreaker stuff for me. I'll give you a couple of mind like one.
• 1:40:39
  And this is something that I've been I've been pounding the table for all
• 1:40:41
  year, like I want to see the Bills continue to commit to the run
• 1:40:44
  game early in games, week in and week out. They have a good
• 1:40:46
  run game if you're including, oh, I have a good one off of
• 1:40:49
  this, keep going though, Oh okay, GotY that. I'm glad I
• 1:40:51
  got your pool to continue on my show. Thank you so much. If
• 1:40:56
  you include all positions from an E per attempt standpoint, the Buffalo Bills are
• 1:41:01
  first in the league from a team rushing standpoint and EPA per attempt. If
• 1:41:06
  you are just doing running back carries only for EPA per attempt, they are
• 1:41:11
  fourth in the league. They have been there all year, top three,
• 1:41:15
  top five at worst. As like a running back carries only team. They're
• 1:41:18
  a good run team. Now. Their runn game struggled a bit at times
• 1:41:23
  against Philly because Philly has horses up front and just from either being predictable with
• 1:41:27
  you know, run and tackle, rap and dart or just losing one on
• 1:41:30
  one assignments to Jordan Davis or Brandon Graham or Flesher Cox or Jalen Carter.
• 1:41:34
  Like again, things happened. Philly's full of monsters upfront. But this is
• 1:41:39
  a really good running football team. Established the run early, put that threat
• 1:41:43
  and worry into a defense's mind, knowing that they can beat you with things
• 1:41:47
  that have nothing to do with Josh Allen and they can just put the ball
• 1:41:50
  into James Cook and Latavius Murray and Ty Johnson's hands and run it down your
• 1:41:55
  throat and it's going to be a problem. So I want to see that
• 1:41:57
  commitment early and then we know all the added benefit it's of the RPO game
• 1:42:00
  and the play action game off off of it. So I want to see
• 1:42:02
  commitment to the run game early. I don't want to see it get worked
• 1:42:05
  in in the second quarter, because when you know things aren't working well with
• 1:42:10
  the past, these first several drives, so let's start to pivot to the
• 1:42:12
  run. No, I want that established early on. Also tied within that,
• 1:42:16
  I want to see more of what we saw against Philly against Granted,
• 1:42:20
  you know Philly's defense kind of played into it more, but give me more
• 1:42:23
  of those spread looks with Joe Brady that allows josh Allen to escape the pocket
• 1:42:28
  and be a threat with his legs from a non design run standpoint. So
• 1:42:30
  give me more of that spread action like I want power run. I want
• 1:42:33
  downhill power run alignments and formations, and on the next play, I want
• 1:42:39
  five wides spread out and the defense is like, oh, how do we
• 1:42:43
  cover this? And if they don't cover it, or they cover it and
• 1:42:45
  they leave a gap, Josh Allen can take off like so committing to the
• 1:42:47
  run game early and continuing to allow josh Allen's legs from a scramble standpoint to
• 1:42:53
  be a factor. Second one. This goes along with the margin for error
• 1:42:57
  being too small for this team. Turnovers. They cannot afford a turnover of
• 1:43:01
  any kind in any game. I don't care if it's a fumble. I
• 1:43:03
  don't care if it's a good interception a bad interception like no more turnovers.
• 1:43:08
  The margin for error is too small for this team, and the defense lacks
• 1:43:13
  the playmakers to consistently weather the storm for losing the turnover battle. And in
• 1:43:17
  a similar thing like penalties kind of go into that as well, like they
• 1:43:20
  have to clean up the penalties on both sides of the ball. Again,
• 1:43:23
  the Eagles game was horribly officiated from a penalty standpoint on both sides. That
• 1:43:27
  worked against the Bills. But I chalk turnovers and penalties all into kind of
• 1:43:31
  like the self inflicted wound type of thing or unforced errors. You aren't in
• 1:43:35
  a position from a lost standpoint where you can't afford losses. And you're already
• 1:43:39
  standpoint with your defense with the injuries and what you're playing with in terms of
• 1:43:43
  depth guys where you can't do anything to make their life any harder. You
• 1:43:47
  cannot allow an offense to start the ball in near midfield because you threw an
• 1:43:51
  interception or you fumble. Special teams is thrown into that as well, right,
• 1:43:56
  no more big returns on punts, Like you cannot lose the field position
• 1:43:59
  battle, the turn over battle, the penalty battle. You have left yourselves
• 1:44:03
  no margin for air from a win loss perspective, But again with where the
• 1:44:06
  team is at from a health standpoint, there's a little room for air.
• 1:44:11
  From a margin standpoint, for the defense, you have to do everything you
• 1:44:14
  can from a complimentary football piece to not set the defense up for failure in
• 1:44:17
  any way, shape or form. So again that unforced air's piece, but
• 1:44:21
  turnovers, penalties, special team pieces, and then my last one, it's
• 1:44:26
  again more like large scale, just that in game adjustments being more timely for
• 1:44:30
  the offense and the defense, like not waiting until the second quarter the second
• 1:44:32
  half to pivot to the run game, not waiting until you know, the
• 1:44:38
  third or fourth quarter again whatever, like just waiting, not waiting too long
• 1:44:41
  to change things up from a coverage standpoint or from a front perspective, or
• 1:44:45
  from a rush standpoint, or offensively pivoting from pass to run or run to
• 1:44:48
  pass, or working in more rpo or trying to take advantages of certain aspects
• 1:44:51
  of the field. There has to be more of a real time answer.
• 1:44:56
  And I think we've seen this a little bit from Joe Brady, and we've
• 1:44:59
  seen it in spurts from Sean McDermott. It's just been a matter of whether
• 1:45:00
  or not they've worked like. I don't think Sean McDermott has consistently just kind
• 1:45:05
  of stood pat. I think his adjustments have either sometimes been there's been times
• 1:45:11
  where they've been too late, but I think it's more than been like low
• 1:45:15
  too slow, or him not making the right adjustment, like him adjusting early
• 1:45:18
  but it not being the right one. So like the in game adjustments like
• 1:45:21
  again, and this is somewhat like pie in the sky, I guess to
• 1:45:25
  a degree, but like they just can't afford to you know, here's what
• 1:45:28
  we're gonna do for the second quarter. Cool, whatever you do, it
• 1:45:30
  has to be the right thing, because you cannot afford to have a bad
• 1:45:32
  half, a bad quarter. You can't get afford. You can't afford to
• 1:45:35
  be put behind the eight ball from a mental standpoint or an actual on field
• 1:45:40
  score perspective because of what the on field and win lost perspective off the field.
• 1:45:45
  How small that margin for error is for this team. Yeah, I'm
• 1:45:49
  going to piggyback on two whee those with like small granular things. Turnover margin.
• 1:45:56
  You mentioned it this pass loss to the Eagles first lost twenty twenty three
• 1:46:00
  where they won the turnover margin. Oh, you mentioned that the last time
• 1:46:03
  you were here. Yeah. Right, This is the first time in twenty
• 1:46:06
  twenty three that they won the turnover battle but lost the game. They were
• 1:46:12
  four and oh before that. There was also one crazy, crazy stat like
• 1:46:15
  did you see what Ed Werder tweeted? No? Do you know paraphrasing it?
• 1:46:21
  No, I have it right now because I texted, I want a
• 1:46:24
  buddy, and we basically kind of like cried over it. The Bills.
• 1:46:30
  The Bills are the fortieth team since the nineteen seventy merger to have five hundred
• 1:46:34
  yards, ten third down conversions, and a positive turnover margin in a game.
• 1:46:41
  They are the first team to lose in that scenario. Teams were thirty
• 1:46:45
  nine and oh prior to the game against the Yeah, there's there's a bunch
• 1:46:48
  of those. I'm not gonna lie to you. There's a lot of anomalistic
• 1:46:54
  things about the Bills this year, Like it's pretty crazy. Nothing makes sense,
• 1:46:59
  Like they have the fourth highest point differential in the league, Like I
• 1:47:03
  think it's plus one oh one right now. They're the only team over one
• 1:47:08
  hundred with over four losses, so stupid, Like it doesn't make sense.
• 1:47:15
  But that's just like because they lose close games, you know, and they
• 1:47:18
  and they win other games by so much it makes that point differential so great,
• 1:47:23
  but then the record doesn't show it. Yeah, there's a lot of
• 1:47:26
  anomalistic stuff about the Bills this year, but that's what turnovers do. Like
• 1:47:30
  turnovers suck, like you you went, you went on a whole monologue about
• 1:47:34
  it, like the field position battle that changes the position that it puts an
• 1:47:39
  injured defense into, like it it is, It is really hard to overcome
• 1:47:43
  turnovers. I agree that the the margin for error is very slim. But
• 1:47:46
  back to the running game point. This is the point that that you sparked
• 1:47:50
  in my head and I realized I want to see more Ty Johnson, Like,
• 1:47:55
  I'm I'm kind of at a point where not that Latavious Murray has lost
• 1:48:00
  his job, he has done nothing wrong, it's that we're seeing a lot
• 1:48:02
  of jews from Ty Johnson, Like, I don't know, I haven't kept
• 1:48:06
  my eyes on nor of I watched the tape of like how he is or
• 1:48:10
  even if he has opportunities but pass blocking, Like I want to know how
• 1:48:14
  he is as a pass blocker, if he's capable of being in on passing
• 1:48:17
  downs for that responsibility we obviously saw his h receiving touchdown against That was Broncos,
• 1:48:24
  right, no, Jets, No, that was the Jets. Yeah
• 1:48:28
  right, I tried to touch down. I tried to burn the Broncos game
• 1:48:31
  from my brain and I remember that campaign. But yeah, like I think
• 1:48:35
  his skill set is his skill set is obviously still very complementary of James Cook.
• 1:48:42
  But I don't want to lose any of this skill set from Latavious Murray.
• 1:48:45
  So I'm trying to see where the overlap is and if the like,
• 1:48:49
  if he deserves to usurp that role from Latavius Murray. But I'm ready in
• 1:48:55
  terms of just a like a juice perspective and what he brings to the offense.
• 1:49:00
  I think there's enough overlap and enough improvement from Ty Johnson in what we're
• 1:49:04
  seeing from him, especially the last few weeks. And it seems like Joe
• 1:49:08
  Brady likes him because obviously since since the OC change, we've seen more Ty
• 1:49:12
  Johnson. So give me more Ty Johnson the rest of the way. I
• 1:49:15
  think he's a really good compliment to James Cook. What dum I like that
• 1:49:19
  piece. I like what they've gotten from Ty Johnson. I liked him in
• 1:49:21
  the preseason and then I was like, I wonder if he like kind of
• 1:49:24
  sticks around and I was like, eh, whatever, right in Harrisonatavious Murray
• 1:49:28
  like it is what it is. But I like, yeah, he's got
• 1:49:30
  his opportunity now and he's he's But he also did well with the Jets,
• 1:49:33
  Like I liked him and Michael Carter as a one two. They were a
• 1:49:36
  cool one two combo. I even started, Ty Johnson. I mean I
• 1:49:41
  had injuries, but I started even very very relevant fantasy weeks. Yeah,
• 1:49:45
  he did well and like he in the past and the run, I liked
• 1:49:48
  him and Michael Carter as a one two like I thought they And it's funny
• 1:49:51
  too because Carter's not even there. Uh I know it's the Jets like hen
• 1:49:56
  with with Breese and dalvind being there. Yeah, I thought they had a
• 1:49:58
  cool one two and and then they just changed that backfield completely. He's produced,
• 1:50:02
  like going back to his time with the Jets, like he's produced when
• 1:50:04
  on the field. So it's interesting. I like that point. What was
• 1:50:09
  the one or is anything you said the one that you were going to say
• 1:50:13
  earlier about what it was? Ty Johnson because you were talking about the run
• 1:50:16
  game and that's what what sparked it for me. I think the earliest one
• 1:50:23
  the question that I had for you when I was waiting for for segment changes.
• 1:50:27
  Do we have any more questions coming up? No, I was just
• 1:50:30
  going to ask you and then they were going to talk about some more things.
• 1:50:32
  Oh boy, I'm ready questions given the state of the team, given
• 1:50:36
  the state of the bills, where do you sit on Brandon Bean? Like
• 1:50:41
  do you think he deserves any any blame in terms of like is he is
• 1:50:45
  his seat hot? Like where where do you sit on that? Because personally,
• 1:50:48
  I'll tell you where I am. I I don't think he deserves as
• 1:50:53
  much blame for things that are going on, like maybe the the von Miller
• 1:50:58
  thing, like maybe he had a hand and in that, in the the
• 1:51:00
  handling of that, but in terms of roster construction and like the personnel that
• 1:51:08
  he's put together to put this team in a position to succeed, Like do
• 1:51:11
  you put blame on him if any Like where do you stand on that?
• 1:51:14
  Because I think he's He's all right in my eyes. It's so mundy for
• 1:51:18
  me. I'll start with saying this like it's so mundy because I don't know
• 1:51:20
  how much of the decision making also is of Sean McDermott's doing, Like I
• 1:51:28
  don't know who wanted, Like who was the one who was pounding the table
• 1:51:30
  for Kyrie Elam. Was it a scout, was it Brandon Bean? Was
• 1:51:33
  it Sean McDermott. It's also funny going back to like the receipts, like
• 1:51:39
  on Twitter and stuff of when we were doing draft stuff at that time,
• 1:51:42
  and like I have all these tweets of being like I don't like this pick,
• 1:51:45
  and it's just funny how it like turned out. I keep finding him
• 1:51:47
  every time I search anything for myself with Trent McDuffie or Roger McCreery, like
• 1:51:53
  doing brought a Khalil Shakir jersey into work and everyone was like, why do
• 1:51:59
  you have that? I was like, he was my favorite draft pick from
• 1:52:00
  that draft class, like my birthday. I remember we were talking about it
• 1:52:03
  draft. Yeah. I was like, uh, not buying a running back
• 1:52:06
  jersey because running backs don't even get paid in the NFL. Not getting Kyrie
• 1:52:12
  Elam jersey because he wasn't good. Didn't think Terrell Bernard was going to be
• 1:52:15
  a middle linebacker. We were talking right, but like, yes, but
• 1:52:20
  like Khalil Shakir was the gem from that draft class. The day after the
• 1:52:25
  draft was over, yes, absolutely, like we I remember sitting. I
• 1:52:29
  remember I tweeted it out, like just pretend that Khalil Shakir was the third
• 1:52:31
  round pick and and everybody don't feel better. Yeah that's funny. I remember.
• 1:52:36
  Yeah, we were talking. You were it was I think it was
• 1:52:39
  day three before Day three started. It was that Saturday morning and you were
• 1:52:41
  like, what Jersey this and then we were like, oh, Shaq because
• 1:52:43
  Shakira is awesome. So I do wonder. I like this comment here from
• 1:52:46
  Bill's Are Electric, and it's gonna actually bring it up in a minute because
• 1:52:49
  it ties into part of my point with Brandon Bean. So yeah, I
• 1:52:51
  don't know how much of it is driven by you know, McDermott, by
• 1:52:56
  the scouts, by the coordinators, or any of those pieces I know,
• 1:53:00
  being gets like the official credit and or blame for any like off the field
• 1:53:03
  move type of piece. But my biggest criticism with him, and it ties
• 1:53:08
  into the comment here from Bills Are Electric. He says, you know,
• 1:53:10
  Brandon beat is drafted well lately he got Dalton concat O, Cyrus Torrance to
• 1:53:14
  Rol Bernard, James Cook, Christian Benford, etc. My biggest thing with
• 1:53:18
  him is just all the misses the Bills have had on Day two, and
• 1:53:23
  I feel like that's handicapped or hamstrung their ability to have top end or top
• 1:53:29
  tier talent. I did this episode back in February or March, like analyzing
• 1:53:32
  all their picks by round and the misses that they had in rounds two and
• 1:53:36
  three relative to a lot of their competition. It's been significant. And the
• 1:53:41
  one example of granted is just one example, but like using the Cincinnati Bengals
• 1:53:45
  at the time, who like their Day two picks were and Granted, they're
• 1:53:48
  picking a little higher times because they were worse, but their Day two picks
• 1:53:51
  still t Higgins and Jesse Bates, Logan Wilson, Jermaine Pratt, Joe Mixon,
• 1:53:58
  Sam Hubbard, Like they have all these hit him Britt too right,
• 1:54:00
  Oh, Cam Taylor Brick good call, he was a second rounder. Like
• 1:54:03
  they had all these dudes that ended up becoming like B plus guys that became
• 1:54:10
  or a guys that were either core members of their team or played so well
• 1:54:15
  they couldn't pay them and they had to go somewhere else. And my biggest
• 1:54:18
  criticism of being has been those misses in the higher end of the draft,
• 1:54:23
  mainly on Day two. And it's ridiculous how you juxtapose it with the success
• 1:54:27
  on the back end, Like I don't care what people think to a certain
• 1:54:30
  degree, like on what level of starter, But like Dame Jackson was a
• 1:54:34
  tremendous hit for like a late round guy. Like and you again talking about
• 1:54:40
  the Terrell Bernard piece third round pick, but like, and what's he kind
• 1:54:43
  of been clear secure fifth round or what you've gotten from him? We were
• 1:54:45
  talking about the other day, Gabe Davis, that's a hit, Like whether
• 1:54:47
  you think he's a wide receiver too or not to get the production you've gotten
• 1:54:51
  out of a fourth round wide receiver. Cool, that's awesome. He's got
• 1:54:55
  all these like back end Day three successes and has hit less on Day two.
• 1:55:01
  Majority of the first round stuff has been solid aside from Kyrie Elam and
• 1:55:05
  I guess you know Ed Oliver was kind of thrown in that mix until we
• 1:55:08
  started balling out again this year. But my biggest gripe with him has been
• 1:55:14
  the misses on Day two in the draft. And I actually wonder do I
• 1:55:16
  still have No, I don't. I thought I still had the graphic here,
• 1:55:21
  like in say, in one of my overlays for like who like,
• 1:55:26
  because I literally broke it down by a round. Actually, I'm gonna try
• 1:55:28
  and grab it when I passed you to speak. That's been my biggest thing.
• 1:55:31
  Like the misses on day two in the Brandon Bean era have bothered me
• 1:55:35
  a little bit. I don't like the money and the time that they gave
• 1:55:40
  for the Dawson Knox contract. I thought of that before he got hurt.
• 1:55:43
  I think of it even more so now. But then also like little things
• 1:55:45
  too, like I feel like they should have done more to reinforce the linebacker
• 1:55:48
  position this offseason, But I don't know if that was at Sean McDermott's advisement
• 1:55:53
  or not. I know they reached out to Levante David, but at that
• 1:55:57
  time, by the time they did, he had already decided to recee.
• 1:56:00
  I'm in Tampa, so he was gonna stay there. Like I have little
• 1:56:02
  one off nitpick things, but on the whole, No, I think Brandon
• 1:56:05
  Bean has done a good job and has like earned his keep as kind of
• 1:56:10
  like the roster builder for this team. Yeah. No, I agree with
• 1:56:14
  a lot of that. I mean, I'm going through the draft classes now
• 1:56:16
  kind of looking at him, and God, it's funny like Harrison Phillips like
• 1:56:23
  that's that's a good Day two pick. He's not on the team anymore,
• 1:56:27
  right, but good Day two pick. Like Devin Singletary was a good Day
• 1:56:30
  two pick. Dulson Knox is a good Day two pick. But like now
• 1:56:32
  we're looking at Knox's contract, like you said, and figuring out how he
• 1:56:36
  fits into this team. Uh. I mean, obviously that Knox question will
• 1:56:41
  be answered shortly. That's another thing, you know what that's to this banner
• 1:56:45
  that's on the screen right now, improvement coming out of the by like really
• 1:56:48
  intrigued to see what Joe Brady is gonna do with a twelve personnel offense,
• 1:56:53
  right Like, what is this offense going to look like with Kinkaid and Knox
• 1:56:57
  on the field. How much does it open up Kinkaid? Because you like,
• 1:57:00
  I feel like there's honestly a part of Kinkaid that we're not getting because
• 1:57:04
  there was so much installed this offseason with the idea that he was gonna be
• 1:57:09
  like in a tight split with in line Dawson Knox. You know like he
• 1:57:13
  was gonna be a two by two set, but Knox and Kincaid we're gonna
• 1:57:16
  be on one side, and Kinkaid was gonna be tight split to that,
• 1:57:19
  and then it was gonna be Davis and Diggs or Shakira and Digs on the
• 1:57:23
  other side. So I think there's still a lot of the offense we actually
• 1:57:26
  haven't seen. God Zach Moss day two pick like balling out for the Colts,
• 1:57:31
  like bro I mean, we defended him and so many people are going
• 1:57:35
  at us. Don't need to say how many Twitter followers I lost because of
• 1:57:40
  defending Zach Muss. Oh boom and boom wi we're speaking at so I found.
• 1:57:45
  So here are the bills, day one and day two draft picks.
• 1:57:49
  So round one, two and three, and look at the like the misses
• 1:57:53
  that you had in round two and three. Cody Ford mah like not at
• 1:57:57
  all. Aj Panessa looks like he's to round into form a little bit finely.
• 1:58:01
  So I think that conversation can be more debated a little bit now.
• 1:58:03
  Boogie basham hard Miss Cook. I like the pick of Cook, but what's
• 1:58:09
  frustrating with it is I think he's been a hit so far. But also
• 1:58:14
  like, look at what you're getting from Latavious Murray and Ty Johnson, who
• 1:58:16
  were like claimed off the running back scrap heap. And then it's like,
• 1:58:19
  did you really have to spend a round two pick on James Cook? And
• 1:58:23
  then you go back conversation always and then look at round three, like Harrison
• 1:58:27
  Phillips, I think that was a hit, Singletary mah Dawson, Knox Mass
• 1:58:32
  So far, Knox has been more of a hit than miss, but still
• 1:58:35
  mad for me. Moss was a mess here. Spencer Brown has been better
• 1:58:39
  this year. I still don't think he's as good as the drum Bangers are
• 1:58:42
  making him out to be. I'm still gonna say that's a miss. And
• 1:58:45
  Bernard Will I think he's been a hit this year. We'll see what I
• 1:58:46
  think. I think the thing is though with your round three And it's funny
• 1:58:50
  because I'm differing a lot on this round three assessment, specifically round three.
• 1:58:55
  I feel like you're analyzing relative to the expectation that they will be B plus
• 1:59:00
  or better players. No right, no, okay, no, I'm just
• 1:59:03
  I'm just expecting like meaningful contribution and the opportunity to get a second contract,
• 1:59:10
  like like, yeah, so like Harrison Phillips, for me is a hit
• 1:59:15
  because well, one he played well here, but two he priced himself out,
• 1:59:19
  like he got paid well to go to Minnesota and was out. Devin
• 1:59:23
  Singletary I consider more of a miss because well, I think he was fine
• 1:59:26
  here, right, he just got some like one year deal to like bounce
• 1:59:29
  and peace out. Otherwise, like Zach Moss, you traded him away because
• 1:59:32
  you thought he wasn't hitting. Spencer Brown has been super mercurial at the time.
• 1:59:35
  Dawson Knox I think is still more potential than he is realistic like hitting,
• 1:59:41
  But no, I just base it my my main No, I see
• 1:59:44
  what you're saying now, No, no, no, no, I hate
• 1:59:45
  Day one and Day two guys should be. It's hard to put a grade,
• 1:59:48
  but my expectation for them is to either play well in an ideal world
• 1:59:55
  Day one and Day two guys either become a core member of your team in
• 1:59:59
  some level. This doesn't mean core member like all pro caliber guy, but
• 2:00:02
  they either become a guy that you want to resign or prices themselves out of
• 2:00:06
  your price range. Yeah, resigned for a role or price themselves out.
• 2:00:12
  I think that's the issue. With Dawson Knox right now is he might have
• 2:00:15
  priced himself out and got resigned. Yeah, Like that's a little piece there,
• 2:00:19
  which is funny. And if you juxtapose that with like what's happened with
• 2:00:25
  round four, like Tarren Johnson hit, Dave Davis hit Round five, like
• 2:00:29
  Sarron Neil good special team. Everybody's a Round five guy. That's probably a
• 2:00:32
  hit. Taylor was a miss because they gave up on him. Voshon Joseph
• 2:00:36
  is a miss. From's a miss, Doyle's a miss. But then like
• 2:00:40
  round six, McCleod missed because he's not on the team, but he's still
• 2:00:45
  doing some things with san Franz, Jakwon Johns. Funny how many of these
• 2:00:47
  players are hits for other teams, I know, right, Like even like
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  when I like how the Bills gave up on early because they didn't fit the
• 2:00:56
  scheme, the mental whatever it was. Yeah, like few that's a fair
• 2:01:00
  point, like and it just hitting on anyone here in any way, Yeah,
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  is successful, Like Benford is obviously probably the biggest hit out of all
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  of it. But I think like Taron Johnson getting like one of the best.
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  Taron Johnson is one of the best nickel corners in all the football.
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  You've got the best draft picks in the Bean era in my absolutely considering like
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  where he was taken. Also for those who Kaloshaki is also in round five.
• 2:01:25
  That's a hit out just before anybody. Uh, let me put that
• 2:01:28
  there, just before anybody like jumps on it. Matt Malono technically was not
• 2:01:31
  in the Brandon bean era, so I want to throw that out there.
• 2:01:33
  Case correct, Yeah, it's technically still the Doug Wayley part. Although we
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  all talk about like being kind of knew he was gonna get the job,
• 2:01:41
  how much rahe McDermott working together kind of under the table, YadA, YadA.
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  But yeah, like they've had just getting any type of anything like in
• 2:01:48
  Day three, like even just getting a special team or let alone getting like
• 2:01:51
  an actual starter in tarn and Gabe Davis and Khalis Shakir and Christian Benford even
• 2:01:57
  like wild Goose bawled out a little bit for washingtonlast year and was like giving
• 2:02:00
  you some snaps Dane Jackson being a seventh rounder and turning into a low tier
• 2:02:04
  CB two, high end CB three, Like what you've gotten from some of
• 2:02:08
  these, like dudes Tyler bass becoming like a very good kicker. Like there's
• 2:02:11
  definitely been misses mixed into it, but like their hits on day three have
• 2:02:16
  been like significant from a what they've gotten compared to what like where they were
• 2:02:21
  taken type of piece versus what they haven't gotten out of Again, those friggin
• 2:02:29
  Round two and round three guys on day two, Like that's been my biggest
• 2:02:32
  criticism of being like is just But again, I don't know how much I
• 2:02:35
  can lay it that at his feet because if I don't know, maybe Sean
• 2:02:40
  McDermott is sitting there pounding the table going like I love Cody Ford. We
• 2:02:43
  got to get Cody Ford. And it's like, all right, cool,
• 2:02:45
  Like coach, you think you can make it work. Cool, let's get
• 2:02:46
  Cody Ford. Or there's a position coach right, like I don't know,
• 2:02:49
  maybe like the DB's coaches, like yo, Kyrie Elam is the truth.
• 2:02:53
  We have to get Kyri Elam And it's like all right, you know cool,
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  I trust you. I'm gonna do it, Like I know Bean is
• 2:02:58
  at the end of the day starts offline it like yeah, it's hard to
• 2:03:01
  know where to assign blame completely. And again like at the end of the
• 2:03:06
  day, he signs off on it, and it like happens on his watch,
• 2:03:10
  But I don't know how much comes. You know, it falls at
• 2:03:14
  his fee, positively or negatively. But to answer your question like fully,
• 2:03:16
  yeah, my biggest gripe is just the misses that they've had on Day two,
• 2:03:20
  because I think they're Day two is where you can still get dudes who
• 2:03:25
  offer you like good, starting caliber players, and they haven't done that enough.
• 2:03:30
  They've either drafted poorly or they've drafted too much at non premium positions,
• 2:03:33
  and either way it hasn't been successful. Yeah. No, I can definitely
• 2:03:36
  echo that. But now that you brought up like twenty eighteen, since with
• 2:03:41
  all the draft broken down, I definitely think what you said is fair.
• 2:03:45
  But I think I look at the draft lesson, I look at free agency
• 2:03:48
  more and some of the misses in free agency. I think he's definitely had
• 2:03:53
  some hits. I mean, you look at Dayquon Jones specifically, but I
• 2:03:56
  mean just this offseason, like we knew there was gonna be wide receiver makeup,
• 2:04:00
  and Trent Sherfield and Deontay Hardy if just not been it, and I
• 2:04:04
  understand it was. It was it was not a good wide receiver market this
• 2:04:09
  offseason, Like we were not gonna page Kobe Myers what Chakobe myerscott, Like
• 2:04:14
  that was never gonna happen. Bro I would have given him that a heartbeat,
• 2:04:17
  like he is worth eleven million dollars a year. Sure, sure,
• 2:04:20
  but I don't think there was a world that the Bills would have done that.
• 2:04:25
  I just don't see that as the realm of possibility. But then you
• 2:04:28
  see what I mean, obviously it's it's nothing compared to that, but what
• 2:04:31
  we spent on Hardy and Sherfield, and it's like these guys are shells of
• 2:04:36
  themselves, Like Hardy is not what he was in New Orleans and Sherfield seemed
• 2:04:41
  to have been schemed up really well in Miami because it's not happening in Buffalo,
• 2:04:45
  right, like he was always open in Miami for sure. And Tim
• 2:04:48
  Tim Settle hasn't been great. No, you've had that missed there, like
• 2:04:53
  even before Rapt, like Taylor Rapp has been like kind of up and down.
• 2:04:57
  Yeah, that was that was to me, that was like a that
• 2:05:00
  was like a Hamlin like aging safeties. But then like you do, they're
• 2:05:04
  so fair, but you juxtaposed that with like what he did with Leonard Floyd
• 2:05:09
  and Rasul Douglas, and then it's like exactly exactly, it kind of levels
• 2:05:12
  itself out. It's tough, so like it's really tough to say, oh,
• 2:05:15
  he needs to go. So I think for me, he's not in
• 2:05:18
  a position where his seats warm. No, And I think on the whole
• 2:05:23
  again, it's hard to like hit in the draft and in free as.
• 2:05:25
  I think it's easier to hit in free agency because there's more known quantity in
• 2:05:29
  terms of what a player could be at the NFL level. But yeah,
• 2:05:31
  I think on the whole, like he's done well. I think he's put
• 2:05:35
  together a good team. Again, I think on the whole, both he
• 2:05:39
  and Sean McDermott have done well, like Heason jectively, like the Bills have
• 2:05:45
  won three straight division championships and again even too, like we could have seen
• 2:05:49
  they had a bunch of wild stupid things happened in twenty nineteen against the Texans,
• 2:05:55
  like they could have been a Final four team that year too, Like
• 2:05:57
  this has been like a successful franchise in their as, they've been right in
• 2:06:00
  the ship. So I think, yeah, on the whole, like you
• 2:06:02
  don't get to have the wins consistently. And again, I know there's been
• 2:06:05
  bottoming out in the playoffs, but you're not a consistent double digit win team,
• 2:06:11
  consistently threatening for the one seed in a conference. You're not doing that
• 2:06:14
  unless you're like well coached to some degree and well built from a roster standpoint,
• 2:06:18
  like and again, you know and I have had This is a conversation
• 2:06:20
  for another time, but you know, you and I have had the conversations
• 2:06:24
  where like I've told you, like, what like the issues I've had with
• 2:06:27
  this team from a roster building standpoint, and that what I think is holding
• 2:06:30
  them back. But even with me having that again, like on the whole,
• 2:06:33
  this has still been a success. Still successful, Yeah, a thousand
• 2:06:36
  percent because of what they've been. Kendall, some parting words for everyone as
• 2:06:42
  we start to you know, throwing up the banner, but we're not taking
• 2:06:44
  out your dad, Kendall, just overall, give us your final thoughts on
• 2:06:46
  the state of this team going forward. Uh, you know where your head
• 2:06:49
  is at when it comes to the Bills, and you know what you think
• 2:06:51
  they're going to be going forward and what the rest of the season will hold.
• 2:06:55
  Yeah, I'm excited to see how the season pans out because it'll it'll
• 2:07:00
  give us a lot of answers towards like what we really want to see this
• 2:07:02
  offseason. I mean, you know me, I'm really off season centric.
• 2:07:06
  As much as I love what's going on in season, I really love what
• 2:07:10
  happens in the offseason. So I'm excited to see, you know, the
• 2:07:13
  evaluation and how this the rest of the season pans out. But I mean,
• 2:07:16
  I think my parting words are really, no one can beat this team
• 2:07:19
  but themselves, and we've seen that this year. Really come to fruition,
• 2:07:24
  like this Bills team can be absolutely anyone in the league, all thirty honestly,
• 2:07:29
  all thirty two teams, because they can beat themselves. It sucks to
• 2:07:33
  say that, but that's the life that we're in right now. And hopefully
• 2:07:38
  they don't beat themselves the rest of the year. Hopefully they can string it
• 2:07:42
  together, win five straight and we get to see some playoffs, because yeah,
• 2:07:46
  I agree with you, man, I think if the Bills win five
• 2:07:48
  straight, no one wants to see the Bills because they will be going into
• 2:07:51
  the playoffs hot and everyone knows what Josh Allen can do when he's hot absolutely,
• 2:07:57
  Like I'm season is so dumb. I hate it in so many ways.
• 2:08:01
  I'm trying to find like little silver linings, like well, if they
• 2:08:03
  don't make the playoffs, like I can start college prospects scouting early, and
• 2:08:07
  I can nail everybody in the Senior Bowl down and like do all these pieces
• 2:08:11
  Like yeah, it's man, it's been like one weird season and I am
• 2:08:18
  I am like chomping at the bit to see what they look like coming out
• 2:08:22
  of the bye because Kansas City has kind of had their number, but the
• 2:08:26
  Bills have also had Kansas City's number, like from a regular season standpoint,
• 2:08:30
  and have looked good against them beating them. Like this Bills team can easily,
• 2:08:33
  like easily run the table and finish eleven and six easily. They could
• 2:08:37
  also easily lose like four or five, if not all of them. Like
• 2:08:41
  it's just you got to see what team you're gonna get weekend and week out.
• 2:08:45
  And I'm wondering, you know, how storybook is this year in terms
• 2:08:50
  of you know, are we you know, watching this from noon to six
• 2:08:56
  on Super Bowl Sunday and the story is running like, oh, the Bills
• 2:08:58
  team that was six and six, you know, wins five straight and new
• 2:09:01
  offensive coordinator and turning things around and blah blah blah, like all the story
• 2:09:07
  Yeah, all the storybook elements that kind of exist. I'm still thinking back
• 2:09:09
  to oh when I forget who they brought in? But when the Ravens won
• 2:09:15
  it in Ray Lewis's last year, they fired Cam Cameron mid season, and
• 2:09:22
  I forget who they brought or did they fire some Kendall look up? Look
• 2:09:28
  up that look at look up? Damn hold on. I can't, I
• 2:09:30
  can't. I can't now do it without Baltimore raven two thousand Ravens. No,
• 2:09:37
  it was the no, the one that beat the Niners in the Super
• 2:09:41
  Bowl. So the two yeah, twenty twelve Baltimore Ravens bang Jim Caldwell and
• 2:09:50
  Cam Cameron. Who did they? Yeah? But who did they? I
• 2:09:54
  forget who did they fire and who did like who got fired and who got
• 2:09:56
  brought in? I don't know. I think they fired Cam Cameron a broad
• 2:10:01
  called well. Yeah, I don't know which ones which they're just both listed
• 2:10:05
  on PFR. I don't think there's a way to get details each one.
• 2:10:09
  Yes, I don't think there's a way to get the detail for which one
• 2:10:11
  I got it. I looked it up. Cam Cameron was fired on December
• 2:10:16
  tenth, and they named Jim Caldwell OC and then they ended up winning the
• 2:10:20
  Super Bowl. So I keep thinking back to that year and being like,
• 2:10:22
  oh, because that ended up being a huge story, like, oh,
• 2:10:24
  this team and ray Lewis, Torres tricep and then maybe use like dear Antler
• 2:10:28
  spray to come back like all this like weird stuff happened, and then they
• 2:10:33
  ran the Gauntlet and ended up winning the super Bowl. So maybe we'll get
• 2:10:35
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• 2:13:31
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  me again, second time in three weeks. It's nice to get the band
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  back together here and there as Yeah, it was awesome. You were tremendous
• 2:14:37
  as always. You're getting a bunch of love in the chat. Your celebrity
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  the heartbro fonder. That's exactly what it is. And yeah, but you
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