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The Kenny Report | 22 August · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 2: I'll give you an exclusive report on a disgusting and
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Speaker 2: unhinged attack by a Labor senator linking the Coalition to
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism and violent extremism. Also in Canberra, the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister caught out in question time over his visas for
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Speaker 2: Gaza mess I'll also check in on the Democrat convention
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Speaker 2: in Chicago, where Oprah Winfrey turns up along with Bill
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Speaker 2: Clinton and rampant hypocrisy, and the ABC boss David Anderson quits.
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Speaker 2: It looks to me like he was pushed. You'll also
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Speaker 2: meet an Aboriginal teenager who wants to be Prime Minister,
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Speaker 2: and we've got Mark Nicholson and Johannes Leek. Let's get
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Speaker 2: into it. Just a day after Labor politicians joined the
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Speaker 2: Tills in demanding higher standards of behavior and debate in Parliament,
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Speaker 2: a Labor minute has gone on a wild rant linking
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Speaker 2: the Coalition to extremist violence and anti Semitism, and all
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Speaker 2: because some Coalition senators support a commission of inquiry into
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Speaker 2: the response by all governments, state and federal, Liberal and
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Speaker 2: Labor to the COVID pandemic.
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Speaker 1: I mean, just have a listen to this.
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Speaker 3: It is a sign that they don't take the relationship
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Speaker 3: between public policy and their role seriously and that they
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Speaker 3: engage the most loopy, far right, extremist and kooky views
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Speaker 3: in order to suck up to an emerging and stronger
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Speaker 3: group within their political party.
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Speaker 1: It gets worse. This bloke is Tim Ayres.
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Speaker 2: You won't have seen much from him, but he is
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Speaker 2: the Assistant Trade Minister, a former union official and a
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Speaker 2: Senator from New South Wales. And the reason for his
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Speaker 2: outburst well he doesn't want a proper inquiry into the
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Speaker 2: COVID nineteen response. He reckons the government's limited review by
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Speaker 2: three hand picked people is good enough.
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Speaker 3: It's reviewing what worked well and what we can do
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Speaker 3: better to improve Australia as preparedness for future pandemics.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Sure, labor is worked out because a private member's bill
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Speaker 2: has been put up by some Coalition and cross bench
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Speaker 2: senators to establish a full Commission of inquiry into COVID,
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Speaker 2: examining all aspects, advice and responses, including things like the
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Speaker 2: effectiveness and appropriateness, including from a human rights perspective of
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Speaker 2: lockdowns school closures, social distancing, work from home, mask mandates,
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Speaker 2: interstate and international border closures, quarantine and vaccines and vaccine mandates.
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Speaker 2: I think we all deserve that information. But in reaction
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Speaker 2: to this push, the Labor Government says this.
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Speaker 3: There is a wellspring, a sort of fitted wellspring of
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Speaker 3: COVID conspiracy theorists, and some of them, some of them,
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Speaker 3: some of them inhabit the benches over there. The One
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Speaker 3: Nation Party have always sought to manipulate these, these kind
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Speaker 3: of conspiracy theories for their own purposes.
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Speaker 2: Pretty extraordinary and disgusting stuff. Millions of Australians want a
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Speaker 2: Royal commission into the COVID response because millions of us
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Speaker 2: were locked up, locked down, blocked from seeing loved ones,
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Speaker 2: not able to go overseas, not able to come home,
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Speaker 2: blocked from operating businesses, forced to have a job, and
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Speaker 2: sacked for not having a job. Now, this Labor Minister
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Speaker 2: attacks people who want a full and open examination of
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Speaker 2: all this, and he uses it to attack his political
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Speaker 2: opponents in the most absurd and degrading way.
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Speaker 3: And the truth is, in the history of these kind
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Speaker 3: of conspiracy theories in Australia, you know, mobilized mobilized on
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Speaker 3: the fringes. The history is that always there's an element
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Speaker 3: of antisemitism that's not too far away. Always been the truth,
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Speaker 3: always been the truth.
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Speaker 2: Really, in this time of unprecedented antisemitism in Australia, when
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Speaker 2: the Federal Labor government has done nothing to prosecute the
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Speaker 2: hate preachers and those chanting about hunting for Jews, when
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Speaker 2: it's done nothing to stamp out this hate. In fact,
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Speaker 2: it's only helped to ramp up the retoric against Israel.
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Speaker 1: Then this government.
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Speaker 2: Makes baseless claims of antisemitism against the Coalition, and it
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Speaker 2: does this because some of the Coalition want a Royal
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Speaker 2: commission into COVID. This is nutty and dangerous behavior from
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Speaker 2: He has spoke about lizard people and chemtrails and pathways
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Speaker 2: to violence.
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Speaker 1: Listen to him drag in.
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Speaker 2: That horrific police ambush in Queensland eighteen months ago.
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Speaker 4: These are the kind of ideas that mobilized the recent
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Speaker 4: terrorist incident in Winebilla. They were attracted too COVID conspiracy theories.
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Speaker 3: It was a core part, it was a core part
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Speaker 3: of what they believed.
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Speaker 2: Talk about a stretch anything but actually addressing the issue,
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Speaker 2: the examination of COVID pandemic responses. A number of Senators
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Speaker 2: Sarah Henderson, Matt Canavan and Jared Rennick objected to this
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Speaker 2: abusive diatribe and they called for the Senate President to
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Speaker 2: bring it to an end. But on and on it
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Speaker 2: went ugly baseless partisan bile against the coalition.
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Speaker 3: The extremists are developing relationships and support amongst a party
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Speaker 3: that tries to position itself as the alternative party of government.
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Speaker 3: We know that Senator Antik and Senator Renick and Senator
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Speaker 3: Canavan are all on board for the conspiracy theory stuff.
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Speaker 2: This is perhaps one of the most unhinged and ugly
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Speaker 2: parliamentary rants I've ever seen. We need to know why
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Speaker 2: this bloke is an Assistant Minister for Trade if he
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Speaker 2: trades in such hatred and vitriol. We need to know
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Speaker 2: whether the Prime Minister endorses this behavior. Because over the
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Speaker 2: past couple of weeks, Anthony Abernezi has been amplifying the
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Speaker 2: asy O bosses call for politicians to take the heat
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Speaker 2: out of debate.
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Speaker 5: It is consistent with his view about the need to
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Speaker 5: lower the temperature in this country. And if those opposite
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Speaker 5: think that the circumstances are that we don't need to
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Speaker 5: lower the temperature, then they cantinue down this cul de sac.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, taking the high moral ground while Labor lashes out
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Speaker 2: with wild claims about anti Semitism and extremist violence. We
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Speaker 2: need to know what it is about the COVID response
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Speaker 2: that Airs and the Government are so desperate to hide
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Speaker 2: from scrutiny. All this just confirms, by the way, that
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Speaker 2: this country desperately needs a proper royal commission into the
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Speaker 2: COVID response. And in question time the Prime Minister was
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Speaker 2: again under intense pressure over the almost three thousand Australian
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Speaker 2: visas granted to people in war torn and hummus controlled Gaza.
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Speaker 2: The leftist media and that of course includes the taxpayer
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Speaker 2: funded media while they're doing their best to ignore this
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Speaker 2: crucial national security issue, but the Coalition is not letting
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Speaker 2: up on the government.
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Speaker 6: Yesterday, the Prime Minister couldn't explain if any ministerial intervention
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Speaker 6: had occurred regarding the twenty tourist visas issued to people
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Speaker 6: from the terrorist controlled Gaza war zone that were canceled
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Speaker 6: and then reinstated on appeal. Will the Minister finally confirm
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Speaker 6: whether any representations or ministerial intervention occurred to support any
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Speaker 6: of these twenty cases.
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Speaker 7: The Leader of the House.
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Speaker 8: All decisions were made by the Department.
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Speaker 2: Once again we saw a series of pertinent and direct
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Speaker 2: questions asked and then the government deliberately not answer them.
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Speaker 2: But have a look at how this exchange flushes out
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Speaker 2: a telling point.
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Speaker 9: Prime Minister, will individuals currently in the terrorist controlled Garza
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Speaker 9: war zone who have already been granted a visa by
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Speaker 9: this government be subject to face to face interviews or
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Speaker 9: biometric checks before they arrive.
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Speaker 1: In at.
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Speaker 5: And we know that there's been a change in the
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Speaker 5: position of those opposite who were saying there'd be a
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Speaker 5: total band and now saying a temporary pause, a softening
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Speaker 5: of that. But of course it's interesting to call for
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Speaker 5: attempted prause on a border which is closed. The border
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Speaker 5: is closed. I met earlier today with the Prime Minister
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Speaker 5: of Qatar to speak constructively.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so again an effort to avoid directly answering the
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Speaker 2: national security question, not wanting to admit the lack of
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Speaker 2: security interviews for people coming in from Gaza. But it
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Speaker 2: might have been a mistake to mention the Gulf nation
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Speaker 2: of Qatar, which hosts the murderous and uber wealthy by
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Speaker 2: the way Humas leadership. Because the mention of Qatar triggered
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Speaker 2: this excellent question.
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Speaker 7: My question is to the Prime minister, how many people
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Speaker 7: from the Gaza war zone has Qatar accepted order?
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Speaker 1: No, we're going to have some silence. Yes, indeed a
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Speaker 1: telling question.
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Speaker 2: Of course, Qatar, like Egypt, like Jordan, like Turkey, like
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Speaker 2: Kuwait and Algeria, like all the Arab and Muslim nations
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Speaker 2: in the area, they support Hummas, but they're not taking
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Speaker 2: migrants or refugees from Gaza.
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Speaker 5: I am responsible for what the Australian government does, not
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Speaker 5: what the Qatari government does.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, Anthony Albanezi is responsible for Australia. But if wealthy
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Speaker 2: Arab nations like Kuwait and Qatar, who support Hummas don't
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Speaker 2: take people in from Gaza, and neighboring countries like Egypt,
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Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia and Jordan that are the traditional homelands for Palestindians,
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Speaker 2: if they too don't take people in from Gaza, then
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Speaker 2: why is Australia bending over backwards to rush in migrants,
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Speaker 2: issuing almost three thousand visas to Gazans.
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Speaker 1: Without face to face security checks.
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Speaker 2: That is something our Prime minister is responsible for, but
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Speaker 2: he refuses to answer the pertinent questions.
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Speaker 1: Labour will be pleased.
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Speaker 2: This two week sitting period is over, but it won't
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Speaker 2: be the last we hear of this disturbing episode. I've
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Speaker 2: been talking a lot about hypocrisy in politics this week,
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Speaker 2: and there was plenty of it on display in the
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Speaker 2: US from the Democrats in Chicago this week. Day three
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Speaker 2: of their conventions starred none other than Oprah Winfrey, who's
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Speaker 2: up there with Michael Jordan and Barack Obama's favorite Chicagoans.
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Speaker 2: And I guess it goes to show just how much
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Speaker 2: of this convention is show business rather than politics. The
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Speaker 2: political star of the day was former President Bill Clinton,
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Speaker 2: and he offered a pretty dish to Joe Biden and then.
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Speaker 10: He did something's really hard for a politician to do.
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Speaker 10: He voluntarily gave up political power and.
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Speaker 2: Come on, Bill, He was pushed the party powerbrokers pushed
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Speaker 2: him out, and now the crowd chance thank you Joe,
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Speaker 2: the biggest cheer of his political life for getting out
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Speaker 2: of the way. But what about the hypocrisy of showcasing
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Speaker 2: Bill Clinton, of lionizing a man who famously was unfaithful
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Speaker 2: to his wife with an intern in the White House.
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Speaker 2: This from a party obsessed with demonizing Donald Trump over
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Speaker 2: sexual misdemeanors. Kamala Harris boasting about her role as a prosecutor.
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Speaker 11: I took on perpetrators of all kinds, credators who abused women,
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Speaker 11: fraudsters who ripped off consumers, cheaters who.
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Speaker 12: Broke the rules for their own game.
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Speaker 11: So hear me when I say I know Donald Trump's type.
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Speaker 2: Well, sure, but couldn't that be said equally of Bill Clinton?
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Speaker 2: As Paul Murray showed us last night, the Democrats liked
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Speaker 2: to link Trump with the disgraced and deceased Jeffrey Epstein,
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Speaker 2: putting up this obviously very old shot of them together
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Speaker 2: when it was Bill Clinton who was much closer to Epstein.
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Speaker 13: To me, this is so stupid, especially when you have
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Speaker 13: Kamala Harris running on. I know the sexual predator type.
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Speaker 13: Trust me, when I see Donald Trump, I've dealt with
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Speaker 13: his type before, you having his type speak at your
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Speaker 13: convention on Wednesday night.
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Speaker 2: Fair enough, Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, all is forgiven. It's
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Speaker 2: been ugly politics and obviously hypocritical. I'll have more and
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Speaker 2: all this with Kristen.
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Speaker 1: Tate later.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to Canberra now and catch up with the
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Speaker 2: Liberal member for the Victorian seat of Flinder's, Zoey mackenzie.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us again, Zoe. The Prime Minister just
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Speaker 2: doesn't want to answer any of these questions such as
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Speaker 2: how many people have face to face interviews and just
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Speaker 2: you know, what's happened with these visas that were canceled
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Speaker 2: and then we're overturned again on appeal.
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Speaker 1: Why can't we have the answers?
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Speaker 2: Is there any national security reason not to give these answers?
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Speaker 14: Yeah, isn't the extraordinary. It's been a giant week of
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Speaker 14: look an eagle anything but answering the actual question. And
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Speaker 14: we have asked question after question after question to be
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Speaker 14: sure that the thirteen hundred who have taken up their
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Speaker 14: twenty nine hundred and twenty two tourists issued to people
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Speaker 14: coming from Gaza have actually gone through some kind.
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Speaker 15: Of security check.
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Speaker 14: We do know there is a significant amount of empathy
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Speaker 14: and acceptance of the Hummas ideology. We do know that
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Speaker 14: fifty seven percent of people who went into a survey
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Speaker 14: in June of this year said that they agreed with
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Speaker 14: the October seven attacks. That in itself is enough to
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Speaker 14: know more has to be done. When this has happened
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Speaker 14: in the past, we have moved people to third countries
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Speaker 14: in order to do face to face interviews, in order
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Speaker 14: to do biometrics tests, in order to check in in
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Speaker 14: terms of US data sets and intelligence. None of that
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Speaker 14: appears to have happened here. And the Prime Minister has
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Speaker 14: refused to ask every single reasonable, simple question put to
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Speaker 14: him this week.
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Speaker 2: Yes, extraordinary. He just thinks if he doesn't answer the questions,
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Speaker 2: it will go away. But of course there are something
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Speaker 2: like thirteen hundred people from Gaza already here in this country.
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Speaker 2: There are that many again who have received visas, and
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Speaker 2: we'll be able to come as soon as they can
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Speaker 2: get out out of Zara. And I would have thought
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Speaker 2: that the smart thing to do as a country would
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Speaker 2: be to ensure that.
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Speaker 1: That next lot that come out.
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Speaker 2: Sure if they come out there, but get them to
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Speaker 2: a third country. They can stop over in the Kataras
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Speaker 2: or some such in in the region, and surely our
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Speaker 2: people could have face to face security interviews then before
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Speaker 2: they come to Australia.
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Speaker 8: Exactly right.
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Speaker 14: Since James Patterson has been prosecuting this issue daily and vigorously,
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Speaker 14: we do know that the approval of tourist visus or
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Speaker 14: the issuance of tourist visas, has slowed down significantly since February.
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Speaker 14: Before then they were being approved in some twenty four
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Speaker 14: hours and some cause a couple of hours before coming here.
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Speaker 14: So hopefully as a result of James's constant, constant reference
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Speaker 14: and bringing this up, that we will have a different
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Speaker 14: approach going forward, as in when borders are opened.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Now we had revelations in the Australian this morning, an
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Speaker 2: insightful interview from a former Deputy Immigration secretary who was
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Speaker 2: saying it was almost certainly a political decision to allow
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Speaker 2: these visas to be processed in that way, and almost
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Speaker 2: certainly the department would have warned against this. And this
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Speaker 2: is another run of the series of questions that continuously
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Speaker 2: is asked but is not answered in Parliament.
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Speaker 1: And that is what sort of.
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Speaker 2: Security advice and the Immigration department advice the government sought
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Speaker 2: before deciding to allow these visas to be granted, because
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Speaker 2: surely they must have asked Asio whether or not this
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Speaker 2: would be wise.
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Speaker 14: Well, that was the critical omission. In what the Prime
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Speaker 14: Minister said to the Parliament this week, he left out
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Speaker 14: a part of what the ASIO Director General had said,
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Speaker 14: which is when certain criteria met effectively, asio's processes are triggered.
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Speaker 14: But in fact we have no idea whether they were met,
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Speaker 14: whether those criteria were in fact present and all triggered,
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Speaker 14: and or whether ASIOS had time at Munti three thousand
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Speaker 14: visas in a period of months. It's very unlikely that
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Speaker 14: proper processes will follow if any process.
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Speaker 15: Was followed at all.
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Speaker 14: The Globor party keeps reverring to one thousand visas issued
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Speaker 14: to Palestinians in Peter Dutton's time over nine years, one
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Speaker 14: hundred roughly every year, with careful procedures followed. It's completely
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Speaker 14: different than you're smounding apples with oranges in a disingenuous way.
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Speaker 1: They sure, Zoie, thanks for joining us, Zoey McKenzie.
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Speaker 2: They're the member for Flinders in the Victoria covers that
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Speaker 2: beautiful area of the Mornington Peninsula.
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Speaker 1: Now, I will follow up this issue of that.
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Speaker 2: Labor minister's unhinged rant in the Senate later in the
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Speaker 2: program when we speak with Senator Bridget mackenzie. But let's
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Speaker 2: return to the Democrats convention now. The former talk show
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Speaker 2: host Oprah Winfrey whipped up the crowd there on day three,
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Speaker 2: the focus again was a nodel Trump and not any
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Speaker 2: actual policy.
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Speaker 16: America is an ongoing project. It requires commitment. It requires
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Speaker 16: being open to the hard work and the heart work
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Speaker 16: of democracy, and every now and then it requires standing
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Speaker 16: up to life's bullies.
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Speaker 2: Now, as I said to Kristen Tight and as I
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Speaker 2: said to you at the top of the show, you know,
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Speaker 2: show business dominates American politics.
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Speaker 1: When the Democrats rolled out Oprah, that's.
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Speaker 17: Right, Oprah Winfrey got this huge crowd going.
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Speaker 12: And I have to admit, Chris, I thought.
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Speaker 17: This whole evening was full of a bunch of doll
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Speaker 17: speeches where not much was conveyed.
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Speaker 12: But you've got a handed to Oprah. She knows how
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Speaker 12: to deliver a Barnburner speech. And the Democrats, if they
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Speaker 12: were smart, they would have nominated her.
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Speaker 18: She really got people going in a way that Bill
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Speaker 18: Clinton and you know, these other politicians like Amy Klobator
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Speaker 18: and Pete Boudagez just could not do well.
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Speaker 1: It's too light.
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Speaker 2: They didn't nominate Oprah Winfrey. They've got Kamala Harris instead,
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Speaker 2: and they're all trying to pump her tires. You mentioned
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Speaker 2: Bill Clinton, of course, the former president. He was perhaps
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Speaker 2: top billing for the day, rivaling the vice presidential nominee
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Speaker 2: Tim Walls. But let's have a look at what Bill
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Speaker 2: Clinton said about Donald Trump's age.
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Speaker 1: Two days ago.
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Speaker 10: I turned seventy eight, the oldest man in my family
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Speaker 10: of four generations, and the only personal vanity I want
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Speaker 10: to assert is I'm still younger than Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1: The audacity of it, Christen.
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Speaker 2: Now they finally got Joe Biden to step aside from
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Speaker 2: the race. Now they're attacking Donald Trump on age.
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Speaker 12: It's crazy.
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Speaker 17: But you know what, I think this actually makes Trump
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Speaker 17: look great because it is kind of shocking to think
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Speaker 17: about the fact that Bill Clinton's younger than Donald Trump.
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Speaker 17: It shows how incredibly well Donald Trump is aging. I mean,
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Speaker 17: Bill Clinton's standing up there, it looks like he's about
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Speaker 17: to keel over.
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Speaker 12: Donald Trump almost gets assassinated.
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Speaker 17: He gets shot in the ear, and he stands up
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Speaker 17: and puts his fist in the ear and tell the
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Speaker 17: supporters to fight. I mean, it makes Trump looked like
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Speaker 17: a real fighter and somewhat.
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Speaker 12: Of true physical strength.
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Speaker 17: When you think about that comparison, I mean, it's it's
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Speaker 17: laughable to think that now they're attacking their opponent to
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Speaker 17: Flora for being old.
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Speaker 12: Now that they've got the young Kamala Harrison there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Look, the other thing that Bill Clinton's appearance does for
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Speaker 2: me is it rises all these attacks that the Democrats
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Speaker 2: have against Donald Trump by have all these claims of
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Speaker 2: sexual missdemeanors.
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Speaker 1: And you look at Bill Clinton's record.
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Speaker 2: And you wonder, how come they lionize this form of
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Speaker 2: president when he's got this long list of admitted and
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Speaker 2: alleged sexual misdemeanors. But somehow Donald Trump is the evil one.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, the facts don't matter to these people.
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Speaker 17: The Bill Clinton, he's an accused rapist, he was on
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Speaker 17: Jeffrey Epstein's plane seventeen times. Of course, he cheated on
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Speaker 17: his wife, Hillary Clinton, with Monica Lewinsky.
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Speaker 2: And in the whouse, man's right in the White House.
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Speaker 17: And this is the man that the party that claims
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Speaker 17: to be so pro women and women, you know, they're
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Speaker 17: fighting for women.
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Speaker 12: This is who they're going to embrace and elevate. It's hysterically, it's.
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Speaker 17: Just laughable and mind blowing. But again, facts don't matter
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Speaker 17: to these people. These these Democrat voters who are being
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Speaker 17: mobilized by the DNC, they are going to get excited
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Speaker 17: by anyone that is put up on that stage. These
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Speaker 17: are loyal people who will vote for Kamala Harris no
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Speaker 17: matter what. And the goal of this convention is simply
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Speaker 17: to mobilize them even more to go knock on doors
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Speaker 17: and make phone calls. So these people, they don't care
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Speaker 17: about Bill Clinton's checkered past. They just want to see
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Speaker 17: famous people on the stage to get them them excited.
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Speaker 2: Well, a long way from there, in North Carolina, Donald
23:05
Speaker 2: Trump was speaking at an outdoor rally, again this time
23:08
Speaker 2: behind bulletproof glass, but he knew that he was the.
23:12
Speaker 1: Center of attention in Chicago.
23:14
Speaker 19: I have a look that charade that they have going on.
23:18
Speaker 19: They mentioned my name I think two hundred and seventy
23:20
Speaker 19: one times. They mentioned the economy, like twelve times. They
23:24
Speaker 19: mentioned the border, maybe none. They don't talk about the border.
23:28
Speaker 19: Our great borders are doesn't talk about the border. But
23:31
Speaker 19: they mentioned me more than any other category. I'm not
23:34
Speaker 19: a category that had me down today as a category.
23:37
Speaker 1: That's all they talk about Trump. We've driven them crazy.
23:40
Speaker 19: They have Trump derangement syndrome.
23:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, Trump derangement syndrome.
23:45
Speaker 2: High telling point though, of course they don't talk much
23:48
Speaker 2: about the economy or especially the border.
23:52
Speaker 17: This is what I was thinking about the entire night
23:55
Speaker 17: this evening as I watched all these speeches.
23:58
Speaker 12: This was all well conveying nothing.
24:01
Speaker 17: Speech after speech was just a bunch of bumper sticker
24:05
Speaker 17: slogans that meant nothing. What they are trying to do here, Chris,
24:09
Speaker 17: is they are trying to repackage Obama's hope and change
24:13
Speaker 17: from his first campaign in two thousand and eight.
24:16
Speaker 12: And it's not going to work.
24:17
Speaker 17: I mean, Kamala Harris is just not an inspiring figure,
24:19
Speaker 17: but there is no talk about anything that's actually impacting Americans.
24:23
Speaker 12: And I had the chuckle because Bill Clinton said.
24:26
Speaker 17: Oh, there was such a breadth of fresh air when
24:28
Speaker 17: referring to Kamala Harris and her running mate.
24:31
Speaker 12: Isn't Kamala Harris in office right now? It's very odd.
24:34
Speaker 17: She's kind of running against her own record right now
24:38
Speaker 17: and promising to fix things that apparently she can't fix
24:41
Speaker 17: right now while in office.
24:43
Speaker 12: It's very strange.
24:44
Speaker 1: It is.
24:45
Speaker 2: Indeed, she's promising all this stuff she could have been
24:47
Speaker 2: doing for the last three years.
24:49
Speaker 1: She's going to start on them next January if you
24:51
Speaker 1: vote for her.
24:51
Speaker 2: It it is Bizare. Thanks for joining us, Kristen. We'll
24:54
Speaker 2: catch up next week.
24:56
Speaker 12: Thank you very much. Chris.
24:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kamala's Space Shi live tomorrow on Sky News with Big.
25:02
Speaker 1: Test all of the day off. I wonder if I'll.
25:04
Speaker 2: Be sick enough to stay home and watch it or
25:06
Speaker 2: all maybe go and do something else.
25:08
Speaker 1: We've got to take a break.
25:09
Speaker 2: On the other side, Hannah Sleek and Mark Nicholson will
25:11
Speaker 2: join me. We'll talk about the ABC boss David Anderson
25:14
Speaker 2: handing in his notice.
25:15
Speaker 1: I reckon he was pushed.
25:16
Speaker 2: Also, supermarket staff are being forced to wear body cameras
25:20
Speaker 2: to combat aggressive customers. Let's bring in the cartoonist from
25:27
Speaker 2: The Australian, Johannah Sleek, and also Mark Nicholson, the animator
25:31
Speaker 2: from step Make Studio. Is good to catch up with you,
25:33
Speaker 2: gentlemen again. There's plenty to talk about this week, but
25:36
Speaker 2: the breaking news today is that the may old mate,
25:39
Speaker 2: David Anderson, the managing director and therefore editor in chief
25:43
Speaker 2: of the.
25:43
Speaker 1: ABC, has announced he's leaving.
25:45
Speaker 2: He's going to stick around all next year while they
25:47
Speaker 2: find someone to replace him. I've got to answer a
25:49
Speaker 2: few emails. I think ye Anna's looks like he was
25:52
Speaker 2: pushed surely the by the new chair.
25:56
Speaker 20: Yes, it does look a bit that way. But you know,
25:59
Speaker 20: the question is will anybody really notice that he's gone.
26:03
Speaker 20: I mean, he's clearly isn't the person that runs the place.
26:06
Speaker 20: It seems to be run by the likes of you know,
26:09
Speaker 20: Laura Tingle and Louise Milligan and people like that. They've
26:11
Speaker 20: all been given free reign to you know, trumpet their
26:15
Speaker 20: opinions on Twitter and wherever else they feel like doing it,
26:18
Speaker 20: writers festivals and so on. So I mean we're used
26:21
Speaker 20: to seeing him at Senate estimates hearing sort of you know,
26:26
Speaker 20: dodging questions and taking questions on notice. But I don't
26:31
Speaker 20: know that we'll notice that much of a difference once
26:33
Speaker 20: he's gone.
26:34
Speaker 2: Well that's the point your spot on there, and it's
26:36
Speaker 2: just been a staff run collective. The managing directors had
26:39
Speaker 2: no control. But you've got a new chairman or in
26:43
Speaker 2: Kim Williams, And my reading of this mark is that
26:47
Speaker 2: he's laying down the law or they want to try
26:49
Speaker 2: and change that culture, getting a new managing director and
26:52
Speaker 2: maybe with the backing of the board they can actually
26:54
Speaker 2: run the place rather than allowing all the left wing journos.
26:57
Speaker 1: To run it, you'd hope.
27:00
Speaker 7: So, I don't know.
27:01
Speaker 21: My conspiracy theory is that this THEBAA union. The pressure
27:05
Speaker 21: there just got a little bit a little bit too
27:08
Speaker 21: much as well, because there's an old saying. When I
27:10
Speaker 21: first entered Film and Telly back ten years ago, a
27:14
Speaker 21: TV veteran told me he was like, no one everyone
27:18
Speaker 21: wants to work at the ABC except for the people
27:20
Speaker 21: who are currently at the ABC, and they're incredibly disgruntled.
27:25
Speaker 21: And if you're just a little bit to the right
27:27
Speaker 21: of the far left there that they'll come for you.
27:29
Speaker 1: And this happens, they consume themselves.
27:31
Speaker 21: So yeah, he's done.
27:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's done. Interesting bloke. You know, I pursued him
27:36
Speaker 1: for a long while to get an interview.
27:37
Speaker 2: I even turned up at a black tied charity event
27:41
Speaker 2: to try and get some words from him.
27:42
Speaker 1: And this is part of what unfolded. I have been
27:46
Speaker 1: waiting for you to invite me onto your program anytime. Yeah,
27:50
Speaker 1: that's a standing invitation.
27:51
Speaker 2: All right, well five Actually we've said requests in in
27:54
Speaker 2: the past.
27:55
Speaker 1: We'll make that date soon, Okay, all right, put that.
28:01
Speaker 2: Now.
28:01
Speaker 1: Honestly, people should be straight up dealers.
28:04
Speaker 2: We had sent him so many requests before I buttoned
28:07
Speaker 2: hold him that time and he said, yeah, I'll come
28:09
Speaker 2: on your show. And we've and we've followed up so
28:11
Speaker 2: many times. I don't know what was that two years
28:12
Speaker 2: ago he never fronted.
28:17
Speaker 20: Yeah, I remember that well from your documentary that time.
28:21
Speaker 1: And yeah, he hasn't showed up. It's unbelievable.
28:25
Speaker 20: You laid the offer right there before him and he's
28:28
Speaker 20: never taken it up.
28:29
Speaker 10: Quite amazing.
28:31
Speaker 2: Well, geez, John pays about a million dollars a year.
28:34
Speaker 1: Look, i'll do it for I'll do it.
28:36
Speaker 2: I'll do it for seven fifty if they want to
28:40
Speaker 2: let me have a crack at it. I couldn't be
28:42
Speaker 2: any more ineffective. Let's go to US politics. It's been
28:47
Speaker 2: a big week the Democrat convention. But market was interesting
28:50
Speaker 2: to see Donald Trump back out doing an outdoor rally
28:53
Speaker 2: in North Carolina and sadly but wisely now behind bulletproof glass.
29:01
Speaker 1: Yeah.
29:01
Speaker 21: Yeah, a bit of courage in that, to be honest,
29:03
Speaker 21: Like people are giving him.
29:04
Speaker 1: A bit of strife about the bulletproof glass.
29:06
Speaker 21: Calling it you know, it's the it's the popemobile or
29:08
Speaker 21: Trump macbill. You know, he's like a religious figure and
29:11
Speaker 21: he's just going But have a think about it. I
29:14
Speaker 21: think many people have really forgotten about this. And he
29:17
Speaker 21: he got shot at he got shot in the ear,
29:20
Speaker 21: was inches away from it. It's insane, the courage to
29:24
Speaker 21: be able to get out there and to so casually
29:26
Speaker 21: talk to people and make good points as well. I
29:28
Speaker 21: was watching that the interview had just before I came
29:31
Speaker 21: on about that as well. It's like that Trump is
29:33
Speaker 21: just a category at the DNC, which is.
29:34
Speaker 1: Just a show.
29:35
Speaker 21: There's no there's no policy going on, and he's still
29:38
Speaker 21: he's still fronting up and working with real people, firing
29:41
Speaker 21: them up. It's balls are steal from Trump. I'm I'm
29:44
Speaker 21: really impressed.
29:46
Speaker 1: And Johannah's the big show in Chicago.
29:48
Speaker 2: It's all about being It's all all about sort of
29:50
Speaker 2: lionizing or pupping the ties of Kamala Harris and I've
29:53
Speaker 2: had a star studding crew to do that. But you,
29:56
Speaker 2: of course have got a great memory. And you remember
29:58
Speaker 2: when Barack Obama himself once talked about Sarah Palin and
30:04
Speaker 2: by bringing her in, the Republicans were trying to put
30:07
Speaker 2: lipstick on a pig. And I think we've got your
30:09
Speaker 2: cartoon from tomorrow, and it's Barack Obama who's trying to
30:13
Speaker 2: put lipstick on the pig of the of the Democratic ticket.
30:19
Speaker 12: Yeah, do you reckon?
30:20
Speaker 20: I might get in a bit of trouble for this one, Chris.
30:24
Speaker 20: It's happened before with Kamala Harris cartoons that I've done.
30:27
Speaker 8: But yeah, look, I mean that's it.
30:31
Speaker 20: Memories, memories like goldfish, because it's it's a matter of
30:35
Speaker 20: a month or so ago that she was, you know,
30:38
Speaker 20: rock bottom in the polling, and she was sort of
30:42
Speaker 20: like a running joke. Nobody took her seriously and everybody
30:45
Speaker 20: was sort of thinking, well, it can't be her. If
30:47
Speaker 20: Joe goes, who else could it be. And then they've
30:51
Speaker 20: decided that no, they must go with her. And they've
30:54
Speaker 20: spent the last little while sort of yeah, as you say,
30:56
Speaker 20: pumping up her tires and creating this narrative. And one
30:59
Speaker 20: by one they're wheeled out to sort of tell you
31:01
Speaker 20: how fantastic they are. And but people seem convinced by this.
31:05
Speaker 20: Certainly the audience are all in raptures over marvelous she is. Yeah, yeah,
31:10
Speaker 20: she went from being a dud to being the savior
31:12
Speaker 20: of the world in about five minutes. But it is amazing,
31:15
Speaker 20: what ridiculous you know the art of showbiz. It's exactly
31:19
Speaker 20: what it is, very curated messaging, it's what they're doing.
31:25
Speaker 1: It's exactly what it is.
31:26
Speaker 2: In Australia, we always talk about you can't fatten the
31:28
Speaker 2: pig on market day. In America, it's all about putting lipstick.
31:30
Speaker 1: On the pig. But the thing is that it will.
31:33
Speaker 2: Reach a crescendo tomorrow when she gives her speech and
31:36
Speaker 2: all the media, most of the media, or left wing
31:39
Speaker 2: media which dominates, will say that she's the favorite. It's
31:41
Speaker 2: all going to happen. But you've got to remind she
31:44
Speaker 2: is yet to do a press conference, a serious interview,
31:47
Speaker 2: or a debate, so we'll see how she goes when
31:50
Speaker 2: she actually does some unscripted talking and talking about unscripted issues.
31:54
Speaker 2: I want to have a little bit an update on
31:56
Speaker 2: the Reagan mark, because there's a story out today that
32:00
Speaker 2: she signed up with an agent to get some.
32:02
Speaker 1: Publicher I don't know. I reckon she must be as bad.
32:06
Speaker 2: At the whole entertainment money making game as she is
32:09
Speaker 2: at break dancing mark.
32:11
Speaker 1: Because she had all that.
32:12
Speaker 2: International fame, she could have done four or five of
32:15
Speaker 2: the big shows in America by now and pocketed hundreds
32:18
Speaker 2: of thousands of, if not millions of dollars.
32:20
Speaker 1: But she's only getting around to signing up with someone now.
32:25
Speaker 21: She's a goose one hundred percent right. She could have
32:27
Speaker 21: been Australia's huck to a girl. She could have done it.
32:30
Speaker 21: I thought the same, actually was she was. She had
32:33
Speaker 21: so much heat. Like Pauline Anson is a great example
32:36
Speaker 21: of this. You use this to your advantage and you
32:38
Speaker 21: and you get out there and you know, any press
32:40
Speaker 21: is good press. But no, she hid, she didn't jump
32:43
Speaker 21: on the flight, she didn't come home. She's she's stuck away.
32:45
Speaker 21: She's played the victim. And now she's got this agent.
32:48
Speaker 21: She'll get something. She'll be on Dancing with the Stars
32:50
Speaker 21: or something in the next season. Whenever it comes off,
32:52
Speaker 21: she'll still get zero in that because she actually can't dance.
32:56
Speaker 21: But yes, the only real winners out of this, Chris
32:58
Speaker 21: is the taxpayer. Because maybe if she gets a few
33:00
Speaker 21: gigs on tally or she can play it all, maybe
33:03
Speaker 21: the AB say, yeah, maybe she would just stop taking
33:06
Speaker 21: these taxpayer out all our public funds for ridiculous academic pursuits.
33:09
Speaker 8: Maybe you have to win.
33:11
Speaker 2: You are spot on Dancing with the stars if they'd
33:14
Speaker 2: still do that show?
33:15
Speaker 1: Do they still do that show?
33:16
Speaker 2: She would be a momty have no idea what a
33:19
Speaker 2: promo what a promo line? That is they're going to
33:21
Speaker 2: teach reg under dance that or else they're going to
33:24
Speaker 2: get all the other contestants to have a crack at
33:26
Speaker 2: break dancing.
33:27
Speaker 1: Also, now there's a sad.
33:29
Speaker 2: Little story getting around here that supermarket staff are going
33:32
Speaker 2: to be given body cams because they're getting so much
33:35
Speaker 2: aggression from customers.
33:37
Speaker 1: Johannas.
33:37
Speaker 2: Now, that's shocking and nobody ever should have to put
33:40
Speaker 2: up with that sort of nonsense at work. But I
33:43
Speaker 2: do have a view that maybe the supermarket giants could
33:46
Speaker 2: do something to help out here, and that is maybe
33:48
Speaker 2: get back to employing.
33:49
Speaker 1: People at the checkouts, because these days, when you go
33:52
Speaker 1: to the supermarket, you've got.
33:53
Speaker 2: To get the food scan it package and they just
33:57
Speaker 2: all they're doing is look at it you wait for
33:59
Speaker 2: you to make a mistake.
34:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, It's so true.
34:03
Speaker 20: It's the most confounding experience when everything goes wrong.
34:07
Speaker 8: I was in an aisle recently and.
34:09
Speaker 20: I went I had all my shopping ready to go
34:11
Speaker 20: and ready to do it through the self service counter.
34:13
Speaker 20: This was an aldi and I had some booze as well,
34:16
Speaker 20: and they said, oh, I know, you've got to go
34:18
Speaker 20: to the other one. And you know, you can understand
34:20
Speaker 20: people at the end of their at the end of
34:21
Speaker 20: their tether. They've had a rough day, and then you
34:24
Speaker 20: know they're ready to get it, just get out of there,
34:26
Speaker 20: and then they're being sort of wrangled and told where
34:28
Speaker 20: to go and so on.
34:29
Speaker 7: So but look at it.
34:30
Speaker 19: But yeah, it is a.
34:32
Speaker 20: Sad reflection of where we're at that these poor people
34:35
Speaker 20: working in supermarkets have to have these cameras. And I
34:38
Speaker 20: noticed that it said something about how this was a
34:40
Speaker 20: problem that really came to the Ford during COVID, So
34:43
Speaker 20: you know, as usual, COVID made everything worse. It just
34:47
Speaker 20: made everybody that much more sort of on edge. And
34:50
Speaker 20: I suppose what we're seeing now.
34:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, now there's cameras everywhere now, so I've gone on
34:55
Speaker 2: the days where we can sneak up to the supermarket
34:57
Speaker 2: in your ugboots.
34:58
Speaker 1: We all have to get dressed up to go out. Now.
35:01
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us to it, so do I just
35:04
Speaker 2: quietly great to see you had us look forward to
35:07
Speaker 2: you that cartoon in the paper tomorrow and Mark Nicholson.
35:09
Speaker 2: Your latest Please Explain cartoon looks at this Gaza visa scandal.
35:14
Speaker 1: So check out that one over Ida in the morning. Everyone,
35:17
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. Guys.
35:18
Speaker 2: On the other side of the break, we want to
35:20
Speaker 2: catch up with Senator Bridget mackenzie about that disgusting rant
35:23
Speaker 2: by the Labor senator who's opposed to a COVID royal commission.
35:26
Speaker 2: Also the inspirational story of an Indigenous Year twelve graduate.
35:36
Speaker 2: Let's go back to Canberra now and catch up with
35:38
Speaker 2: the National Senate leader, Bridget mackenzie.
35:41
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Sir Bridget.
35:43
Speaker 2: I was staggered, as I said at the top of
35:45
Speaker 2: the program, by the ramp we saw from the Labor
35:48
Speaker 2: Senator Tim Ayres aimed at the coalition. Strangely enough, it
35:53
Speaker 2: was about just to push for a commission of inquiry
35:56
Speaker 2: into the COVID response, but he accused the coalition of
35:58
Speaker 2: inciting Damus violence, and he accused the coalition of inciting
36:03
Speaker 2: anti Semitism. I don't know whether you're in the chamber
36:07
Speaker 2: for much of that rant, but I'm interested to get
36:09
Speaker 2: your response and any follow up.
36:12
Speaker 22: Yeah, thanks Chris, great to be with you. I was
36:15
Speaker 22: in the Chamber on duty. When that appalling set of
36:20
Speaker 22: behaviors occurred, Coalition senators and others in the Chamber had
36:24
Speaker 22: put up a request for a commission of inquiry into COVID.
36:30
Speaker 22: We know, after we had the Spanish flu, we had
36:32
Speaker 22: a royal commission. We want to these senators wanted to
36:35
Speaker 22: sort of investigate that opportunity, and instead of actually dealing
36:39
Speaker 22: with the substantive issue, Senator Airs, a Labor Party senator
36:43
Speaker 22: from New South Wales, instead called them conspiracy theorists, made
36:48
Speaker 22: fun of them, derided them, mocked them, and then towards
36:53
Speaker 22: the end of his contribution inferred that they are anti
36:59
Speaker 22: Semitic by one to actually examine a global pandemic's impact
37:03
Speaker 22: here at home in Australia. So I thought it was
37:06
Speaker 22: an appalling behavior, but again shows the Labor Party and
37:11
Speaker 22: peas choose to play the man, not the ball, each
37:14
Speaker 22: and every time because they're not prepared to have the
37:17
Speaker 22: serious debates that the Senate Chamber actually requires about extent
37:21
Speaker 22: of issues.
37:22
Speaker 2: I played a few snippets at the top of the program. Now,
37:25
Speaker 2: the idea, the justification for his was from him was
37:28
Speaker 2: that because you want a COVID inquiry, these people are
37:31
Speaker 2: all into conspiracy theories. He talked about lizard people and
37:34
Speaker 2: JFK and Roswell. But he was saying that the Coalition
37:37
Speaker 2: is involved in this and is deliberately inciting people towards extremism.
37:41
Speaker 2: And he brought in that horrible police shooting in Queensland
37:44
Speaker 2: eighteen months ago, and yes, he said the Coalition effectively
37:48
Speaker 2: was egging people on towards anti Semitism.
37:50
Speaker 1: Have a look at this.
37:52
Speaker 3: And the truth is in the history of these kind
37:55
Speaker 3: of conspiracy theories in Australia, you know, mobilized, mobilized on
38:01
Speaker 3: the fringes, The history is that always there's an element
38:06
Speaker 3: of antisemitism that's not too far away. Always been the truth,
38:11
Speaker 3: always been the truth.
38:14
Speaker 2: Bridget That is so discussing at a time of unpreced
38:17
Speaker 2: anti semitism and when Labour's doing so little to stamp
38:19
Speaker 2: it out.
38:22
Speaker 22: Exactly if only the Labor Party was prepared to call
38:25
Speaker 22: out the antisemitism on the streets of Western Sydney and
38:28
Speaker 22: in the suburbs of Melbourne as quickly and easily as
38:32
Speaker 22: this senator decided to deride Coalition senators about anti semitism.
38:37
Speaker 22: And I know the senators involved and indeed the whole
38:40
Speaker 22: Coalition are the one standing with our ally Israel in
38:45
Speaker 22: the Gaza war, and it's the Labor Party that seems
38:47
Speaker 22: to be vacillating for political purposes at home.
38:50
Speaker 15: On the question of anti Semitism.
38:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I have sent in a question to the
38:54
Speaker 2: Prime Minister's office to see whether he endorses those outrageous
38:58
Speaker 2: comments by his minister. We haven't got a response yet,
39:02
Speaker 2: but I'll follow up on that. Just one other issue
39:04
Speaker 2: before I let you go, I want to show you
39:06
Speaker 2: this tweet or social media post from the Prime Minister
39:09
Speaker 2: yesterday when he was boasting about the approval of what
39:12
Speaker 2: he says will be the biggest renewable energy project ever
39:14
Speaker 2: there some cable project to send the solar energy from
39:18
Speaker 2: the Northern Territory to Singapore. What they forget to mention
39:23
Speaker 2: in all this hoopla is that the company behind this
39:26
Speaker 2: won't even make a final investment decision till twenty twenty seven,
39:31
Speaker 2: and I doubt it'll ever happen.
39:36
Speaker 22: Chris, I'm with you the fact that the Environment Minister,
39:40
Speaker 22: Tanya Plibisek hasn't had any departmental officials on the ground
39:45
Speaker 22: to actually assess the veracity and impact themselves of this project.
39:50
Speaker 22: That's the allegation, and that this massive renewable project in
39:54
Speaker 22: the NT is going to be to send renewable energy
39:58
Speaker 22: to Singapore, whilst they meanwhile deride the Coalition for having
40:02
Speaker 22: a net wanting to put net zero electricity here at
40:05
Speaker 22: home through our nuclear plan. I think it just beggars
40:08
Speaker 22: belief and just shows the more interested in the tweet.
40:11
Speaker 2: Christ actual ok our government by tweet thanks for joining us, Senator,
40:17
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
40:17
Speaker 1: Bridget mackenzie. There live from the nation's capital. Now.
40:21
Speaker 2: A group of Year twelve, a group of Year twelve
40:24
Speaker 2: graduates from around the nation actually gathered in Sydney this
40:27
Speaker 2: week for a pretty special graduation ceremony. They are the
40:31
Speaker 2: latest successes from the Australian Indigenous Education Foundation, a fantastic
40:35
Speaker 2: organization that I've been proud to have supported.
40:38
Speaker 1: For many years.
40:39
Speaker 2: What it does is select bright kids from indigenous communities
40:42
Speaker 2: right around the country, from urban and regional centers and
40:45
Speaker 2: from remote communities, and it sends them and also supports
40:48
Speaker 2: them through some of the best boarding schools in the country.
40:52
Speaker 2: Fifty eight graduated Year twelve this year, taking the total
40:56
Speaker 2: to more than one thousand over the past fifteen years,
40:59
Speaker 2: and many have gone on to nurses, teachers, lawyers, and
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Speaker 2: they will put back into their community's great program.
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Speaker 1: And I got to meet one of them last month
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Speaker 1: when Tremaine.
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Speaker 2: Baxter Edwards spoke at the sixtieth anniversary celebration of the
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Speaker 2: Australian newspaper. So I've caught up with him again for
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Speaker 2: tonight's show and started by asking him about that impressive performance.
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Speaker 7: Well, firstly, thank you for having me, Chris, It's remarkable
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Speaker 7: to be here. So I'm a recipient of the Australian
41:27
Speaker 7: Indigenous Education Foundation and they assist students like myself, Indigenous
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Speaker 7: students from across Australia to attend some of the most
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Speaker 7: prestigious schools in Australia.
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Speaker 2: So you're born and raised in a pretty remote part
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Speaker 2: of the country with pretty limited opportunities, and you've got
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Speaker 2: to go to a good boarding college in Perth for
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Speaker 2: six years.
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Speaker 1: What are you going to make from that?
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Speaker 7: Well, post school, I'm hoping to continue giving back to
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Speaker 7: my community heady home.
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Speaker 8: I do hope to study.
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Speaker 7: Business at UNI, but I am very much interested in
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Speaker 7: public policy and in government, and so I do hope
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Speaker 7: to continue that.
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Speaker 1: I saw it written that you want to be Prime
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Speaker 1: minister one day.
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Speaker 8: You did see that, correct, mate.
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Speaker 7: It's a it's a fascination and a dream of mine
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Speaker 7: and so we shall see.
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Speaker 2: So my advice would we don't get involved in politics
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Speaker 2: straight away, not while you're young. Do something else in
42:25
Speaker 2: some other field first. And is it business that where
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Speaker 2: you want to make your mark initially?
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Speaker 7: Yes, yes, that's one of the areas I'm quite keen
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Speaker 7: to learn and to grow in, I guess. But I've
42:37
Speaker 7: got a tourism background, so you know, potentially own a
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Speaker 7: tourism venture in the future. And my family are you know,
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Speaker 7: tour guides and so so that's that's my back.
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Speaker 1: Good place to start now.
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Speaker 2: I saw you speak at the Australian newspapers as sixtieth
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Speaker 2: anniversary function.
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Speaker 1: It was a big event.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister was there, Lachlan Murdoch was there, movers
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Speaker 2: and shape shakers from business and the community and media.
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Speaker 2: And you spoke so confidently there and you told us
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Speaker 2: a little bit about your thoughts of the country and
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Speaker 2: the role of Indigenous people in that tell us about
43:13
Speaker 2: that event and what you had to say.
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Speaker 8: It was truly something else surreal on us.
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Speaker 7: I thought I'd never ever ever stand in front of
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Speaker 7: the Prime Minister and in that room and deliver, you know,
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Speaker 7: a two minute speech.
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Speaker 8: And so you know, I just introduced.
43:31
Speaker 7: Myself and spoke about where I come from and my
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Speaker 7: hopes of you know, a reconcile Australia that that is
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Speaker 7: healing and healed and that process of how do how
43:43
Speaker 7: do we come about that? And so it was just
43:45
Speaker 7: such a you know, a formidable room to be in
43:48
Speaker 7: and to be able to speak in front of all
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Speaker 7: these people and really show, you know, my vision, tell
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Speaker 7: them about my vision.
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Speaker 1: You did very well.
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Speaker 2: I was envious of your confidence because, as I said,
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister that was there, but you were sharing
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Speaker 2: the billing with the chairman of news Corp in Lochlan Murdock,
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Speaker 2: and Missy Higgins was performing and up your pop. Tell
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Speaker 2: us then, when it comes to education, what's the biggest
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Speaker 2: problem that you've seen Because you've had a tough life,
44:15
Speaker 2: you've seen a lot of disadvantage around you in the Kimberly.
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Speaker 2: What is it about education that is missing in the Kimberly,
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Speaker 2: in remote areas of Australia that kids aren't getting it
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Speaker 2: at the good college that you went to in Perth.
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Speaker 7: Education is unfortunately failing and I think a bit of
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Speaker 7: reforming needs to occur in the education system. Opportunities in
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Speaker 7: remote and regional Australia are scarce, and having grown up
44:45
Speaker 7: in remote Australia, you know, personally, I've seen that inequality
44:50
Speaker 7: and the inequities that occur in my community. And I'm
44:53
Speaker 7: not just the only community in Australia. There are hundreds more,
44:56
Speaker 7: and the opportunities need to be put out there. But
45:00
Speaker 7: the opportunities then also need to be taken with both
45:03
Speaker 7: hands from the recipients. And I was so fortunate to
45:05
Speaker 7: have come from a family where and I owe that
45:08
Speaker 7: gratitude to my family, my mum and my Mananner, and
45:11
Speaker 7: to my siblings as well that they allowed me to
45:15
Speaker 7: take this opportunity with open hands and to get back
45:18
Speaker 7: to the community and to attend.
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Speaker 8: Such a Prestigiou school in Western Australia.
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Speaker 7: Look, I think we just need to focus on making
45:24
Speaker 7: sure that education is there for all and making sure
45:27
Speaker 7: that opportunities are equally and equitably represented in communities across Australia.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, education is the key, but there are so many
45:35
Speaker 2: factors and why people don't do best out of us
45:40
Speaker 2: suppose or make the most of the opportunities. You mentioned
45:44
Speaker 2: politics and eventually looking at a career in politics. There's
45:47
Speaker 2: been a bit of politics in your extended family, some
45:50
Speaker 2: politicians involved. Do you have a preferred party or should
45:54
Speaker 2: they start their opening bids for you later on?
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Speaker 7: I look, I don't have a particular party that I
46:05
Speaker 7: swing to. I've grown up with, you know, the Labor
46:10
Speaker 7: party in you know, as you said, my extended family.
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Speaker 8: But you know I have not been influenced.
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Speaker 7: By by either side, So I think the opening bids
46:18
Speaker 7: should start now.
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Speaker 1: All right, You've got a bit of time to make
46:22
Speaker 1: up your mind, have no doubt.
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Speaker 2: You've got to meet just in the Neber jimper Price
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Speaker 2: that function as well, so she'll put the hard word
46:28
Speaker 2: on you as well, no doubt for the conservative side
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Speaker 2: of pology.
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Speaker 1: Great to meet you, Tremaine, and good luck. Keep in touch.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Chris, Yeah, ripping young blood, keep an eye
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Speaker 2: out for Tremaine. Backster Edwards in the future and Aquinas
46:40
Speaker 2: College was he called Aquinas College in Perth, But a
46:42
Speaker 2: lot of great schools right around the country work hand
46:45
Speaker 2: in glove with the Australian Indigenous Education Foundation. Now I've
46:48
Speaker 2: got to get to a quick break when we come back.
46:50
Speaker 2: When look at these rights to disconnect laws they.
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Speaker 1: Come into force on Monday.
46:54
Speaker 2: Well, that new rule, the new laws mean for bosses
46:57
Speaker 2: and their employees. Let's talk about these big workplace laws
47:04
Speaker 2: that come to el from Monday, the right to disconnect
47:08
Speaker 2: where workers have the right to refuse unreasonable communication outside
47:13
Speaker 2: normal hours. That will be interesting to see how this
47:15
Speaker 2: plays out and what's defined as unreasonable. Amanda Rose from
47:19
Speaker 2: Small Business Women Australia joins me on set.
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Speaker 1: Good to speak to Amanda. Now this only applies.
47:24
Speaker 2: To companies with fifteen staff or more, right, but that
47:28
Speaker 2: captures a lot of small and medium sized businesses.
47:31
Speaker 1: Is it going to make life hell for them?
47:33
Speaker 23: It is? And I think the biggest problem with this
47:36
Speaker 23: it's legislating something that was normally an informal agreement with
47:41
Speaker 23: your team.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
47:42
Speaker 24: And flexibility is pretty much the competitive.
47:45
Speaker 23: Advantage for small to medium enterprise. And guess who needs
47:48
Speaker 23: flexibility more than anyone? Women and women with children. So
47:52
Speaker 23: if they suddenly can't work half a day or they
47:54
Speaker 23: suddenly need to do something a small bit, no problems
47:56
Speaker 23: make it up at night, do this, and you can't
47:59
Speaker 23: put that into a con tracked right.
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Speaker 24: So then businesses are.
48:02
Speaker 23: Too worried or if I hire you or so sorry,
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Speaker 23: I can't give you that, you have to take it
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Speaker 23: off in sickly.
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Speaker 15: Then she misses out.
48:08
Speaker 23: So legislating things that are normally informal agreements is dire
48:14
Speaker 23: to the small business community and to women. And it's
48:17
Speaker 23: disguised as helping the employee.
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Speaker 15: But when you think about it, if.
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Speaker 23: An employee insists on complaining because you contacted them five
48:25
Speaker 23: past five every single day, they will performance manage you
48:29
Speaker 23: out if it's a big company and they've got the
48:31
Speaker 23: lawyers to do that.
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Speaker 2: But that's exactly why we're getting this. It's exactly true
48:36
Speaker 2: to form. It's a labor union controlled government that unions
48:39
Speaker 2: have to prove their worth and so they've delivered something,
48:42
Speaker 2: and so they're delivering this right to disconnect. But as
48:45
Speaker 2: you say, it adds to the rigidity of that relationship
48:49
Speaker 2: against root of flexibility. And there's no problem identified most
48:53
Speaker 2: workplaces work this stuff out.
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Speaker 15: They do.
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Speaker 23: And the thing is, I agree that people shouldn't be
48:58
Speaker 23: working hours and hour our have to work and not
49:01
Speaker 23: be paid for it, that's standard.
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Speaker 24: I've never done that, and most small businesses don't.
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Speaker 23: Right, it's the large companies who have massive teams to.
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Speaker 15: Be able to find the loopholes get.
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Speaker 23: Away with it. We'll continue the practice. And that's the
49:14
Speaker 23: biggest issue. That people that will be hurt right now
49:16
Speaker 23: will be the women and the small business community.
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Speaker 1: But they're stuck with it. Right this is this is
49:20
Speaker 1: going to be the law of the land.
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Speaker 2: Who do you think is going to Who's who are
49:26
Speaker 2: going to be the activists here? Do we think we're
49:28
Speaker 2: going to have employee is complaining about what their employers
49:32
Speaker 2: ask or we're going to have employers complaining that this
49:36
Speaker 2: is just making life difficult to manage.
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Speaker 23: Well, what's interesting is that fair Work is there for
49:40
Speaker 23: the employees, but who's there for.
49:42
Speaker 15: The small business owner?
49:43
Speaker 24: And that's a real issue. So fair Work should actually.
49:45
Speaker 23: Be helping the small business and the meeting business owner
49:48
Speaker 23: as well as the employee.
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Speaker 15: To come with a solution.
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Speaker 23: But who has the time to get out of their
49:53
Speaker 23: small business to have the discussion, to pay for a
49:56
Speaker 23: lawyer to be able to go to fairwork?
49:58
Speaker 15: Just to say I.
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Speaker 24: Would like to to give the single mom who works
50:01
Speaker 24: for me flexibility be.
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Speaker 15: Able to come and go and work at night if
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Speaker 15: you choose.
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Speaker 1: Just amazing, isn't it. You work from home?
50:06
Speaker 2: We have all this flexibility for people to work from home,
50:08
Speaker 2: but that don't do you dare ring me after five o'clock?
50:11
Speaker 12: That's right.
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Speaker 23: And the thing is government will hire people and say
50:15
Speaker 23: look we're increasing employment.
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Speaker 15: That's great. Well they're not.
50:18
Speaker 23: What they're doing is they're taking away from the small
50:20
Speaker 23: business of shutdown and those employees got nowhere to go.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, great stuff. Thanks for joining us, Amanda. A big worry.
50:25
Speaker 1: It is going to be a big worry.
50:27
Speaker 2: I just want to share with you some of your
50:28
Speaker 2: feedback from what we said last night about this guards
50:31
Speaker 2: of visa issues. And one of you who says, look
50:33
Speaker 2: out people, Australia is about to change for the worst,
50:37
Speaker 2: Well we'll see some of that's happening already. Helen says,
50:39
Speaker 2: sack alban easy, Australians say no to guars of visas
50:43
Speaker 2: and John says.
50:44
Speaker 1: Another albow blunder. How many is this now?
50:47
Speaker 2: Well, there have been a few, and another viewer says
50:49
Speaker 2: to sum up here as usual. Albo never answers dan
50:53
Speaker 2: Ten's questions answer the questions, and that would be my
50:56
Speaker 2: summary of the week. Dan teen through so many pertinent questions.
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Speaker 2: Pertinent questions, so did other coalition front benches, and Anthony
51:04
Speaker 2: Albanesi refused to answer any of them.
51:08
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me. Here's Peter