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Vikings Bye Week, Quarterback Controversy, Sardines? | TSH Ep. 109 · The Skol Hop

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  Speaker 1: All right, Hey, Vikings fans, welcome in to another episode of.
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  Speaker 2: The School Hob.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Evan and I'm Austin.
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  Speaker 1: There's a couple of dudes from Iowa. We like drinking
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  Speaker 1: beer talking about the Vikings. Yeah, we do.
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  Speaker 3: And you're a little sick right now. And it also
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  Speaker 3: sucks because you had to spin the wheel of purple
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  Speaker 3: punishments even though the Vikings were on the by this week.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I shouldn't have picked the Lions with the decrease,
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  Speaker 1: but ultimately it wasn't crazy, it wasn't bad.
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  Speaker 2: It could have been worse.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we did enjoy a great beer from Tulurion,
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  Speaker 3: and you know why it's called to lury damn it.
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  Speaker 3: It's not even worse saying it.
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  Speaker 1: We almosten to you ruined it in the episode, and
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  Speaker 1: you ruined it right now. That's okay. We gave a
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  Speaker 1: really good bye week assessment of our Vikings team, I thought,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm excited for people to.
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  Speaker 2: Listen to it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so grab a cold want to join us for
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  Speaker 3: episode one oh nine of the School hop Soul. All right,
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks guys.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's just called Skull. It's made out of wood,
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  Speaker 3: says the word skull, and in the middle of the
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  Speaker 3: O is the shape of Minnesota. This one that we
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  Speaker 3: really good quality. So thank you. That's badass.
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  Speaker 2: What art?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, super cool and I'm looking forward to getting our
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  Speaker 1: own custom piece here pretty soon.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be. It'll be soon enough. Talks are underway
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  Speaker 3: and we will have our own personalized skull hop with
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  Speaker 3: art piece. So that'll be pretty cool. You know what
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  Speaker 3: else is pretty cool?
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  Speaker 4: Beer?
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  Speaker 1: Beer?
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  Speaker 3: But something other than that. Oh, this is the first
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  Speaker 3: episode this football season. I believe that I do not
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  Speaker 3: have to spin the wheel of purple punishments? Or was
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  Speaker 3: that last week?
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  Speaker 1: We neither of us spun last year? Okay, but I
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  Speaker 1: was thinking maybe we could squeeze the beer in before
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  Speaker 1: just so I could have something positive.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we can do any order, but I do
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  Speaker 3: know some of our punishments affect how we consume the beer,
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  Speaker 3: so I'd be remiss if we didn't at least bring
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  Speaker 3: that in. Evan, we did kind of an offhand. The
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  Speaker 3: Vikings were on a bye week last week, so usually
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  Speaker 3: in previous years we wouldn't have done any purple punishments.
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  Speaker 3: But because they're on a bye, because we love this
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  Speaker 3: purple punishment segment so much, we chose a game yep,
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  Speaker 3: the Chiefs Lions game, and we just took a side
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  Speaker 3: I chose the Chiefs winning. You chose the Chiefs losing,
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  Speaker 3: and whoever was right did not have to spin the wheel.
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  Speaker 3: Whoever's wrong had to spin the wheel. So, Evan, how
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  Speaker 3: do you feel about being wrong about that?
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  Speaker 1: Well? I have mixed feelings because, first of all, I'm
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  Speaker 1: sad that I have to spin the wheel.
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  Speaker 4: But I'll get over that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it'll. But Patrick Mahomes is my quarterback for
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  Speaker 1: my fantasy team. There you got one of my quarterbacks
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  Speaker 1: and two quarterback league. He played a really good game.
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  Speaker 1: I was already likely going to win before that game.
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  Speaker 3: The fantasy game.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but then his score just kind of pushed me
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  Speaker 1: over the edge and secured the victory before me. So
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  Speaker 1: I was happy from that aspect. But anyways, it's pulled up,
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  Speaker 1: it's ready to go.
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  Speaker 3: All right, I guess uh, whenever you're ready, we can
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  Speaker 3: spin the wheel. See what you have to do?
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  Speaker 1: Really loud? Oh gosh? Oh no, I'm going to eat
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  Speaker 1: the sardines. I guess, so we have.
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  Speaker 3: I think they're both the same. We have two packages
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  Speaker 3: of sardines. I think they're both the same. They're mustard
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  Speaker 3: flavored sartines. Oh no, ed, So listeners if you've been
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  Speaker 3: listening at all here in the last few minutes, you
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  Speaker 3: may be able to tell. Evan's voice is giving him
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  Speaker 3: away a little bit. He's a little under the weather.
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  Speaker 3: He's not on his deathbed, but he's he's powering.
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  Speaker 1: Through hopefully these things like clear anything out.
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  Speaker 3: I have you ever eaten sardines?
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  Speaker 1: No, I've never eaten, either of.
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  Speaker 3: I I didn't know, because you're a native Minnesotan. I
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  Speaker 3: know one thing they have there is what what is it?
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  Speaker 3: Gafilter fish? Have you ever had that?
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  Speaker 1: Ludafis? I've had.
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  Speaker 3: But there's also maybe maybe I'm thinking it wrong. I
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  Speaker 3: thought ga filter fish. Either way, some like fermented style,
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  Speaker 3: awful fish. I didn't know if it was in your
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  Speaker 3: blood to like that kind of thing. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: this this one I feel for you. Man. We we
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  Speaker 3: should also establish we have a whole can of sardines here.
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  Speaker 3: What what are we going to do? Obviously like a
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  Speaker 3: whole one, But how many sardines do you think you
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  Speaker 3: have to eat? I think we can decide together. We
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  Speaker 3: probably should have decided this one before either of us
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  Speaker 3: hit it.
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  Speaker 1: I think if I can stomach one full one, that
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  Speaker 1: would be a victory and then I'll just see from there.
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  Speaker 4: But I want to pour some beer.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say when we can we can
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  Speaker 3: open that.
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  Speaker 1: I need some beer in here to have ready to
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  Speaker 1: go to wash this down.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Well, I've done a lot of talking here.
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  Speaker 3: You brought the beer. What have we got tonight?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? So I found this. We've had Tillurian before. Why
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  Speaker 1: did they call it that?
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  Speaker 3: You know why they call this brewery Tilurian or No,
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  Speaker 3: dang it, I totally did it wrong. You know, w
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  Speaker 3: how they have beer there Tuluria in That's the dumbest
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  Speaker 3: joke ever. I've probably made it all the two or
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  Speaker 3: three times we've had their beers on the podcast here,
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  Speaker 3: but I've liked all of their beers so far.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is their Chucktoberfest. Obviously, it's an October Fest.
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  Speaker 1: It's a five point two percenter And when I saw it,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, we gotta try that. We haven't had
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  Speaker 1: that one yet and it's.
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  Speaker 3: October, so yeah, it's we've had. This is the least
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  Speaker 3: amount of Octoberfest we've ever had to this point in
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  Speaker 3: the season on the podcast. Usually it's like from September on,
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  Speaker 3: it's just every week as an Octoberfest. But this one
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  Speaker 3: already looks really good. I snuck a taste because when
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  Speaker 3: I opened the can, some drops got on my hand. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: it's gonna be a good one.
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  Speaker 1: The color is good. You've got the hard poor.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, I wish I knew why it was called
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  Speaker 3: chuck Toberfest. I'm assuming someone named Charles is a big
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  Speaker 3: deal with Tilurian. Tilurian, let us know why it's called
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  Speaker 3: chuck Toberfest. It's a Martzen, which friend of the chauw
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  Speaker 3: Forest may question, because he's the one that questions whether
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  Speaker 3: it's a fest beer or a martzen, no matter what
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  Speaker 3: they say. But yeah, this one looks really good, really
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  Speaker 3: good head retention, nice amber color. This just looks like
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  Speaker 3: an Octoberfest. And importantly, both of our beers are the
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  Speaker 3: same color.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that'll stick with us for a while.
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  Speaker 3: Yeh, think what was that Gazelig's here from a few
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  Speaker 3: weeks ago? That mine was a different color, but it
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  Speaker 3: tasted just fine. Let's try this one out and then
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  Speaker 3: you can dive into those delicious mustard sardines.
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  Speaker 4: All right, Yep, that is a great beer. I like
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  Speaker 4: that a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that is super good. It's that's just a really
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  Speaker 3: good October well balanced.
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  Speaker 1: It's not super sweet, but it has a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of sweetness to it. It's malty, but it's not super malty.
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  Speaker 4: It just it hits the spot.
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  Speaker 1: It's this is like your you know, October bonfire Friday night.
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  Speaker 1: Let's crack open a few and have a good time.
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  Speaker 3: You have a beer, which our area is just now
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  Speaker 3: starting to cool down a little bit. It's still not
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  Speaker 3: super cold.
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  Speaker 4: It's weird, but it's.
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  Speaker 3: Just getting in like the high sixties, low seventies on
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  Speaker 3: a regular basis, which usually it's like high fifties, low sixties.
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  Speaker 3: Oh f Evan just opened up this canner Sartain. But yeah, this,
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  Speaker 3: this Octoberfest is the definition of a good Octoberfest. Thank
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  Speaker 3: you Tillaran for making a good beer. And let us
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  Speaker 3: snow why it's called the Chucktoberfest. Evan is scouting around
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  Speaker 3: the area, probably looking for a garbage can or something.
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  Speaker 3: I don't have anything. He's already put a paper towel.
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  Speaker 1: I think, do you need a fork?
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  Speaker 2: I might need like, I don't know, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: I have anything.
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  Speaker 3: That way we can we can take a quick quick
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  Speaker 3: break to go get you this, oh man, Okay, you're
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  Speaker 3: using a bottle opener to fish out these sardines, all right.
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  Speaker 3: To be clear, these are mustard flavored sardines. It looks
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  Speaker 3: like they're just in like a mustard sauce film.
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  Speaker 1: And I hate mustard, by the way, Like, oh man.
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  Speaker 3: So these are chicken of the sea, wild caught sardines.
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  Speaker 3: We have two cans here because I mean, I didn't
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  Speaker 3: know if we had both hit this if depending on
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  Speaker 3: what we were gonna do. Plus, they're cheap. Sardines are
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  Speaker 3: only like a dollar something a can. And that's in today,
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  Speaker 3: you know, economy, inflation economy.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess evan Okay, so proof here, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: try not to spill it, but there it is. This
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  Speaker 1: is what I'm gonna attempt to eat. I like fish,
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  Speaker 1: by the way. Fish it's a good food. It's a
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  Speaker 1: food group that I'm not afraid of. I've had plenty
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  Speaker 1: of fish. I've had gross fish. I've had like a
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  Speaker 1: carp which, yeah, those are bottom feeders or catfish, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like bullheads. I've had my fair share of, you know,
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  Speaker 1: probably less than five star restaurant fish. I've had good
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  Speaker 1: fish too. I've had salmon, I've had pike, I've had walleye,
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  Speaker 1: I've had them all.
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  Speaker 3: Have you ever had fish out of a can?
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  Speaker 1: Never had fish out of a can?
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  Speaker 3: Are you enjoying? Delaying? This process is part of we
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  Speaker 3: can We can be like Forrest Gump and name off
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  Speaker 3: all the different types of shrimp and all the different
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  Speaker 3: types of fish.
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  Speaker 1: Or was that I think.
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  Speaker 2: It was Bubba?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was Bubba because.
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  Speaker 1: They were in the military together and they are just
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  Speaker 1: bored and they had all this time.
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  Speaker 4: All right, I'm gonna do it.
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  Speaker 3: Just remember the lions are making you do this.
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  Speaker 4: I hate the lions. Yeah, you had to wear their jersey.
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  Speaker 3: I did two weeks in a row. We still have it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I think Evan, it's got to be the whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: I know. I'm working on it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm oh man, all right, well, okay, you've made
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  Speaker 3: it into a bite and all right, he's chewing it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh he made a good sound, not terrible. Okay. Is
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  Speaker 3: it fishy? Is it mustardy?
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  Speaker 1: Actually not as bad as I thought it would be. Interesting,
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  Speaker 1: it's very fishy, like you can just smell it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like it just tastes like fish in the mustard.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, probably helps it more than it hurts. It interesting,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want any more.
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  Speaker 3: I'm intrigued because I really like mustard, Like, what was
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  Speaker 3: it Dorrido's or whatever in the last few years made
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  Speaker 3: a mustard flavor. I'm half attempted to try it out,
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  Speaker 3: maybe maybe later in the episode.
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  Speaker 1: So it wasn't as bad as I thought. It's still
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  Speaker 1: a punishment. Let me be clear. It did not taste good.
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  Speaker 1: Was it like vomit worthy bad? No, but the fish
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  Speaker 1: flavor is still there. It's lingering and it's bad.
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  Speaker 3: And have you sipped your beer?
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  Speaker 1: It's still there, And I feel like I'm gonna need
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  Speaker 1: three of these beers to get rid of that. It's
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  Speaker 1: gonna take all three of them to wash that away.
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  Speaker 4: If you want one, I'll get you another.
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm good, I'm good. Oh I just smelled it
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  Speaker 3: sitting next to you. I smelled the fish flavor, but
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  Speaker 3: obviously putting it up to my face. That's a that's potent.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's bad.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's definitely a punishment there.
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  Speaker 1: So again, not not as bad as I thought it
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  Speaker 1: would be.
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  Speaker 4: I was pretty nervous about it there for a second.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, did it clear up the sinuses.
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  Speaker 1: And no, it's not like it's not spicy or anything.
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  Speaker 3: Do you want some spicy? We have some some spicy.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to save those for it later because these
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  Speaker 1: are what ghost pepper or.
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  Speaker 4: No Carolin or reaper.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, these are going to be hot, even for you.
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  Speaker 3: I hope, So, I hope. So usually the like gimmicky
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  Speaker 3: spicy food is not super bad. But I will take
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  Speaker 3: the other can home just to try it out. Maybe
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  Speaker 3: I'll try it tomorrow and give you a report. It's
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  Speaker 3: not hurting my feelings or anyone if an entire can
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  Speaker 3: goes to waste, because like I said, they're like a dollar.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of sardines in here, which is surprising,
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  Speaker 1: Like what the expression packed in like a can of sardines. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: makes a whole lot more sense. I've ever actually even
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  Speaker 1: like held neither of I like can of sardines.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, there's probably just from the looks of this,
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  Speaker 3: upwards of fifteen I was gonna say fifteen to twenty.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're like minnow sized fish, so they're not big.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but well, if you can't tell, it was the
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  Speaker 3: Vikings by a week, so there's not a whole ton
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  Speaker 3: to talk about, which is why we just spent five
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  Speaker 3: minutes on sardines. I think the punishment we should have
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  Speaker 3: to leave these sitting here.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so we have to like occasionally just get the whiff.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna deal with that.
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  Speaker 3: Too, Yeah, it's all right. Well, I'm proud of you
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  Speaker 3: for taking the sardines like a man. Not that I
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  Speaker 3: thought any other outcome would happen, but you did good.
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  Speaker 3: Thereof school's school.
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  Speaker 4: Glad it's over.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm glad we didn't agree on the whole can
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  Speaker 1: because that would have been worse.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, just looking at this, that would have been
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  Speaker 3: unreasonable because I wonder if it says, like how many
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  Speaker 3: ounces there are? Three point seventy five That doesn't sound
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  Speaker 3: like a lot, but it looks like more than four ounce.
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  Speaker 1: It's probably like, I don't know, a couple hundred calories.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well just in just in mustard, Yeah, mustard
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  Speaker 3: and oh no sodium.
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  Speaker 2: Does it say I'm the can?
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  Speaker 4: I said it's chicken of the sea.
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  Speaker 3: We are spending too much time Chicken of the sea.
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  Speaker 1: Mustard sardines nutrition one hundred and seventy calories per can,
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  Speaker 1: with twelve grams of fat, fourteen grams of protein and
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  Speaker 1: two grams of carbs per can though, I think so, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: per one hundred and six I would.
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  Speaker 3: I would have guessed more than two hundred calories for
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  Speaker 3: this thing.
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  Speaker 2: How many grams? One hundred and six grams? Is that
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  Speaker 2: what it said?
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  Speaker 3: Three points something ounces?
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  Speaker 2: I got the mustard on the outside.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, libs, I messed around with it. Too interesting, Okay.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Good source of protein though, yeah. And fourteen grams of
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: protein cheap.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: It might be cheaper per gram of protein than an egg.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe I'm way off on that. The
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: Vikings had a bye week this week.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Before we're done talking about Sightings officially.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Well, we just like like we had to just jump
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: in and you had to bite the bullet and eat
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: the sardine. We have to jump in and talk about
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: the Vikings.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Are we gonna start like we did Roses and Thorns? Well,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: so like season to date, not just a specific game.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's always a good bye week thing to
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: talk about, like how do we feel about the season
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: so far? It's an early bye week. I think one
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: of the earliest you can have. I think week three,
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Week three or four is like the earliest allowed.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: I think Week four was the earliest this season.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I think it used to be Week three,
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: but then when they added the seventeenth game, that switched
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: things up. Either way, week six ends up being one
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: of the earlier bye weeks you can have, which I
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: mean when you see it, when the schedule first comes
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: out in what April or may you see, oh man,
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: it's a week six bye week, same as last year two.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: You're thinking, man, that's it's too early. What in the world.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: But then you get here and you're in October of
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. I'm thinking the Vikings have been ravaged
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: with injury, so an early bye week isn't all that terrible,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: especially after a two week trip overseas well.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: And that's why the bye has been so early the
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: last two years, because it's always been on the tail
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: end of Actually last year last season it was they
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: went to London, came back and played a game, and
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: then had the buy Yep, that's right, because they played
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: in London Week four I think, and then they came home.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I don't remember if it was a home or away.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: I think it was a home game. We'd have to
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: go back and love. But they waited a game, and
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: I think that was a team decision because I remember
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: hearing something about how like the team was given the
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: option to have the bye immediately following their their international trip,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: or they could choose to play another game, and I
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: remember Kevin O'Connell saying they chose to.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: So I think what you're talking about is Kevin O'Connell's
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: rookie year head coach. Twenty twenty two. They also went
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: to London. I believe they played the Browns and then
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: they came back, played a game, and then had their
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: buy last year, which I only know because I just
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: looked it up. Last year, they went to London, played
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: the Jets with Aaron Rodgers, beat them, came home, had
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: their buy, and then in week what was that would
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: have been Week seven, they played Detroit in Minnesota and
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: that's famously the first loss they had, and that's again
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: I attended. But yeah, I wouldn't have known that if
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: I didn't look it up. But anyways, I think they
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: do get a choice, or at least some heavy input.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: So anyways, let's talk roses quickly. Based on just these
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: first couple of games, My rose is that this defense
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: is still really good. Even despite some of these key
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: players being gone. Like you think about it, Blake Cashman
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: has been gone basically the whole season. Andrew van Ginkel
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: played well when he was playing, but he's been gone
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: for several games now. But some of these other guys
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: are really stepping up. Ivan Paced Junior has looked really good.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: He's looked okay, he's looked pilling form hasn't been the best,
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: but overall he's done okay.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I'll say he looks good. Gabe Murphy has looked good.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Isaiah Rodgers has oh my gosh great. He had that
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: one outstanding game where he could just not be stopped,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: which is fun to watch. It seems like Dallas Turner's
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: really kind of coming into form the way that we
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: thought he would.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: I think so on and off the stat sheet, like, yeah,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: things that we do notice and things that you know
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: you do you don't see, but he definitely affects the
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: field for yeah.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: So, and regardless of who's out there, it seems like
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Brian Flores just continues to dial up the right pressure
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: at the right time given the circumstances of the game.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: And I don't know that's a rose to me. Defense
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily win championships in the NFL anymore, offense wins championships,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: and a good defense is necessary to keep the other
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: teams off of you. But we need a good defense.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: That's a part of the formula, and we got a
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: good one.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, especially when you don't know how the quack quarterback
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: position is going to turn out each week, and you
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: have a star wide receiver out for suspension and your
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: offensive line is a patchwork, you know, make shift group
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: of guys. To have a defense performing well, which we
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: can talk about a little bit later, I think in
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: most statistical categories the defense is in the top ten
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: of really anything that matters other than run. Defense has
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: been hit or miss a little bit game by game,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: but for the most part, yeah, you're right. The defense
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: has been great and has kept the Vikings in games.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Even in what is probably the worst game of the
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: season so far, the Falcons game. The Falcons only scored
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: what was it, twenty two points.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: I mean anytime, if you could guarantee a defense holding
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: the other team to twenty two points, no matter what happens,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: whether it's you know, mostly on the defense or not,
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: you should be able to win most games. If you
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: only have to score twenty three points or more, which
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: only you know in the NFL. That's quite a bit
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: of points. But if you knew every week all you
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: had to do is score twenty three points or more,
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: you'd win. That's that's pretty solid.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: The Vikings are the third best team in terms of
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: points allowed. Yeah, this season, like the is not bad,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: not at all. Anybody that says so is wrong. You're
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: not a top three team in terms of points allowed.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: And just imagine that. Just imagine when Blake Cashman comes back,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: which we can talk about a little bit later too.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: He's in his twenty one day window. I saw him
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: in a after practice interview in the last few days
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: and seems like he's doing pretty well, which is only
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: going to make Ivan Pace's job that much better. When
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Van Ginkel comes back, that only makes Dallas Turner's job
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: that much better. Jonathan Gernard's job that much better. The
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: more Harrison Smith kind of comes in and warms up
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: to this season, because he had something going on health
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: wise to begin the season and even before then in
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: training camp, but it seems like he's been warming up
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: a little bit more and more. All of that is
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: just gonna make even with all those issues. Like you
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: just said, the Vikings are what third and scoring defense?
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Not scoring defense, but points on points allowed. Okay, yeah,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: I'm sure they're up there in scoring defense because those
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: two Isaiah Rodgers yea touchdowns touchdowns counted towards that for sure. Yeah,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know what they are in terms of scoring guys,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: but points allowed their third, behind only the Texans and
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: the Broncos.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, solid rose for sure. Something Hopefully that stays on
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: pace throughout the rest of the season. And usually when
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: you say, like, oh, defenses are winning games, you can't
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: bank on that. But when you look at the guys
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: that are injured and should be coming back or getting better,
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: maybe this defense can stay at that level. My rose
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: is kind of an umbrella thing, but you're gonna get
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: that when you're talking about you know, a section of
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: the season, is that even with all of the adversity,
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: which we can talk about injuries, we can talk about
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy if he's good or not, if he's injured
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: or not, how that's going, We can talk about anything.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Even with all of those points of adversity, if I
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: can still have a winning record, right now, and to
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: be three and two after week five, really the season
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: is your oyster. Yeah, you're not looking as good as
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: a five and one Colts team who look like they're
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: the team to be in the NFL right now with
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: former Viking Daniel Jones. And they're also not sitting there
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: as like the Saints who look awful. Yeah, but three
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: and two statistically they can do anything. I mean, if
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: they won out, which is kind of crazy, they probably
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: won't win out. If they won out, that's fifteen and
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: two and probably a division winner, maybe, depending on how
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: the rest of the NFC North does. Definitely in the
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: conversation for the number one seed, if not, you know,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: the top few seeds in the playoffs, and definitely a
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: playoff team. Now, winning out is kind of crazy to
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: talk about in October. You never know what's going to
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: actually happen, but anything can happen, and you have a
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: winning record. So despite everything we have to complain about,
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: legitimate complaints are not either way. At the end of
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: the day. Right now, the Vikings are sitting at three
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: and two, and worst case scenario, after they played Eagles,
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: they'll be even or two games above five hundred. You know,
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: so yeah, that's my Rose winning record despite all the adversity.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: And what's crazy about it is their winning record is
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: good enough for third, tied for third with the Bears
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: in the NFC North. So yes, and I think a
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: winning record at this point, given all the circumstances that
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: have unfolded, that's definitely a Rose. It's a good thing
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: because the quarterback situation has been tumultuous and we're down
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: RB one a in Aaron Jones, and we've already talked
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: about some of the key defensive players that are out,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: So you know, despite all this adversity, to have the
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: winning record at three and two that they have through
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: five games is a good thing. But boy, this division
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: is something. And I think you tweeted something on our
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: account about the Packers tying that could play a factor
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: because right now they're in first place at three to
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: one and one, with the Lions right behind them at
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: four and two, which in my brain, that math just
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: doesn't work out that a tie is worth more than
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: a win, so kind of.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: I think that it's more that they're winning percentage. So
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: when we're in week seven, week six of the season,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: it doesn't really mean too much because at the end
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: of the day, we'll all have played the same amount week,
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: the teams will all have played the same amount of games,
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: and a tie at the end of the season will
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: mean less than it will right now. But win percentage wise, yes,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: if the season ended right now, the Packers would be
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: the NFC North Division winners. Even though they have one
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: less win than the Lions.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: They also have one fewer loss.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so they have like one, they're like a half
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: a fewer loss because in that win percentage formula, a
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: tie goes as fifty percent win fifty percent loss. So
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: out of five games, they've only lost one and a half,
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: whereas out of or not five games, six games, whereas
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: out of six games the Lions have lost two games.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: So yeah, it doesn't make a lot of sense right now,
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: but it will even out once the season's over.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: The math still hurts my brain, and I don't like it,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: and I'm glad the Vikings aren't dealing with a tie
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: on their record, But I hope, I hope that it's
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: it's not something where the Packers just like eke into
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: the playoffs, you know, as a like third place team
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: in the NFC North, which I think is a very
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: realistic possibility in this NFC North.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Technically, as far as the math goes, all four teams
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: in the division could make the playoffs. The way things
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: work right now.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: It could take all the wild card teams.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: You'd need the other divisions to be bad terrible, but
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: it's not outside of the realm of possibility, and.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: You don't have a ton of bad teams actually, Like
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: the NFC West is pretty good this year. The Niners
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: have played decently despite some injury. Seattle's playing really well
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: with Sam Darnold, Sammy d.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: If you look at the NFC, most teams have three
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: or more wins, which is again it's early on.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: The really bad teams in the league are in the AFC,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: like the Jets and the Browns and the Titans.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, crazy. How about thorns? What's your thorn so
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: far for the first five games?
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I think this is it's a thorn right now, but
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: it could definitely be a rose later on. And we've
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: seen this happen. We've seen this happen.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: So my thorn is that Koc.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Is just kind of pissed off right now. He's kind
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: of mad. I can see that, and I think I
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: think for him the season is not unfolding the way
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: that he thought it would. I think JJ McCarthy is
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: a growing concern for him as a head coach. And
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: we'll have to get into that debate again because we
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: kind of opened that easter egg last week. I think
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: it was we really got into the quarterback controversy, and
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I think it's fair to call it a controversy. But anyways,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: right now, KOs seems mad, he seems kind of frustrated,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: and I hope that he can channel that, and we
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: know that he has done that in the past. I
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: think of the gigantic stick after all the fumbles, after
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: all the fumbles, and he was seen at practice, you know,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: jabbing those guys, and guess what after that happened, They
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: didn't fumble the ball nearly as much. They kind of
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: fixed that and it got better. There's really no one
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: thing right now. It's not like fumbles are the problem
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: and that that's what needs to be addressed. Really, if
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: there's a problem, it's injury, and that's kind of outside
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: of the coach's control. Like it's not like, yeah, he
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: can't just wave a magic wand and make everybody better,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: and he can't, you know, give them, you know, any
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: sort of like voodoo magic to make them immune to
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: any sort of injury on the field. Like it's a
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: contact sport and it's it's a flukey sport too, Like
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: you know, we saw it with Kirk Cousins a couple
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: of years ago. His achilles injury was such a fluke
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: it wasn't even really a contact play. Aaron Rodgers' achilles
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: was the same way. I'm getting very specific, But my
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: point is, like coming back to KOC, I think he's frustrated,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: and I think he's a little frustrated with the effort
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: that's coming out of some of the guys too, And
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: I think that's something that he's trying to address. But
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I also think he's got he's got some big, like
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: big boy head coaching decisions to make. Absolutely quarterback included
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: in that. Like that's gonna be like you got to
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: put your big boy pants on to go to work
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: and make the right decision for your team. Is it
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: gonna be Carson Wentz or is it gonna be JJ
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: McCarthy or is it gonna be Max Brosmer. You've got
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: three starting caliber sure, Okay, I think I think you do.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: I mean Brosmer shined in in camp and in preseason,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: So I don't know. I think he's mad. It's a
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: thorn right now, just because three and two it's not
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: where we expected to be. And truthfully, that was kind
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: of the easier part of the schedule. And they'll enter
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: the gauntlet of the Eagles and the Chargers, and we've
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: got pretty much all the divisional games except for one
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Bears game ahead of us, Like it's it's a it's
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: gonna be a tough stretch for the Vikings here, and
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: the bye week is early, so you're gonna have to
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: deal with injuries into you know, week fifteen, sixteen seventeen, right,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: So he's mad. I think he thrives when he's mister positivity. Yeah,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: he's handed out game ball like he's, you know, cutting
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: into his paycheck because he's given out so many game balls.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know how the Wilfs figure that out in
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: the books, but I think he thrives on that. I
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: think he he loves to set the tone with high
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: positive energy. And it's tough to be like mister positivity
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: right now at three and two when you expected more
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: than that, you know, and you're dealing with all the
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: adversity that you're dealing with. But what I know about
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: him is he's really good at coaching these guys through
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: that adversity. We saw it when we first started this
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: podcast that season his first year. We saw it the
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins injury year, JJ got hurt, Just and Jefferson.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: That is so I don't know. I think it could
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: turn into a rose.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: That he's so mad that he figures it out because
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: of that. Yeah, yeah, like you poked the bear enough, Oh,
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: now you're gonna get it.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: But right now it's definitely a thorn, like, ah, man,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta figure something out here. And I
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: think he knows it, and I think he's working towards that.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I mentioned a week or two ago,
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: listening to the Power Trip morning show, Chris Hockey said
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: something like yeah, at the beginning of the international trip,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: he talked to him, did a little sideline interview with
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: KOC and a few other players, and KOC sounded really
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: uppity and let's go, let's get these two wins here
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: and then come home and head in to the by
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: you know, it's it's all great. And then on the
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: last practice day, before the Browns game, Chris Hockey said, like, yeah,
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: KOs just seems like he just wants to go home.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: He's just done being on this trip. And then another thing,
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: somebody in a press conference recently asked him just about
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: injuries or you know, specifically how Kos's dealing with like
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: all of these big name injuries, and he mentioned something like, yeah,
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, it can be tough to navigate how to
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: figure out what kind of a team you are. That's
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: one thing he said that he and the coaches that
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: were going to work on over the bye week is
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: like do some self scouting and figure out the team's identity.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: And it's he said, it's kind of hard when the
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: roster you have currently with injuries and stuff, doesn't necessarily
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: reflect the way the roster that they intended to build,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: which when you build it, you don't intend to miss
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: out on Donovan Jackson missing multiple games due to not
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: his own fault, but a risk surgery that he had
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: to have. And Harrison Smith you don't expect to suddenly
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: go missing halfway through training camp and now he's not
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: the same Harrison Smith you thought you'd get. And all
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: the injuries we've beat the injury horse to death. But
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: KOs does seem mad and frustrated, and he's no less
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: of a good coach, even though a lot of things
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: outside of his control have made his job more difficult.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: To that point, you kind of alluded to this earlier.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: He's got some big boy coaching decisions to make and
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: job determining decisions, franchise determining decisions. Just look at the
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: quarterback position specifically. When KOs came in, there was no
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: question the Pro Bowl quarterback that he had that the
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: team was going to work with for the first few years,
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: at least Kirk Cousins, big money guy, great franchise guy.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: You know, media can be hit or miss on what
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: they think about him, but that's who your guy was,
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: and you didn't have to make that decision outside of injury,
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: which he ultimately did have to per injury, make those
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: decisions on who to start and who to bench. But
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: when he was decided on benching Josh Dobbs or Nick Mullins,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: he wasn't making that decision to shape the franchise for
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: the next ten years and potentially making that decision to
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: save his job. When you bench or throw out the
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: tenth overall, pick your franchise quarterback, the team that you are,
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: the guy, the quarterback that you are putting your team behind.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: It's a lot different than benching or starting Josh Dobbs,
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: who you traded a fifth round pick for because QB
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: one got injured. So right now, and this will go
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: into my thorn, my thorn overall right now is JJ
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: McCarthy and not just the person. I think he's a
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: good person, solid, a plus human being. Not him as
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: a quarterback. I think he's shown flashes of being a
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: good quarterback throughout his career, even though we've only seen
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: it for eight quarters in the NFL out of two
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: years so far, a year and a half so far.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Just the idea that the Vikings seem like they're taking
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: this quarterback one franchise quarterback decision so timidly. Yes, I
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: know there's an ankle injury that could take two to
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: six weeks or two to four weeks or whatever you believe,
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: however long JJ McCarthy should have been out. Yes, it's
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: not like he just got you know, a stuff he
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: knows and he's out for a little bit. I know
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: that it's a big decision, but I feel like koc
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Quacy the coaches, JJ himself, they're all taking this game status,
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: this on the field status, very timidly, and if he's
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: not out soon, which you gotta throw him out at
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: some point, you gotta let him play at some point.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: Even if he never gets back to one hundred percent
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: healthy ever, which is just an ankle, he'll get back
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: to one hundred percent healthy. It seems like they're all
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: scared to do the wrong thing because if you flub
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: on JJ McCarthy without accidentally hitting on a resurging career
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: of Carson Wentz or finding the diamond in the roff
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: of Max Brosmer, if you love on JJ McCarthy, that's
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: something that can get Quacy fired. It's something that can
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: get koc fired, just because if you miss out on
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: the quarterback decision, then the team's gonna lose. And the
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: longer you can kind of win one here and there
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: with Carson Wentz, who isn't the Carson Wentz he was
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: drafted to be, then they're all playing scared. So that's
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: my whole thing. My biggest thorn is you need to
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: what is it piss or get off the pot with
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy. You need to figure out what you have,
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: and you can't hide behind an injury forever.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna play devil's advocate here for a
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: minute because I agree. I agree with you to an extent,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Like I really think the Vikings have to give an
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: honest evaluation of JJ McCarthy. It can't just be well,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: he played two games and he sucked and then he
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: got hurt and then we never put him back in.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: That can't be how it ends for JJ. And it
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: can't be how it ends for Quasi and KOs either. Like, sure,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe if Carson Wentz plays well enough, that could
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: be kind of a job saving thing for the coach
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: and the GM okay, whatever, But when you draft a
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: guy in the top ten, that's that's a that's a
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: different thing, right, You enter a different stratosphere of player, right. Yeah,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: But I want to play devil's advocate in this because
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: you brought up Kirk Cousins a while ago, and Kirk
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Cousins was the quarterback that KOs inherited, right. Yeah, Kirk
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: was an acquisition during the Mike Zimmer days by the
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Spielman regime, and it was kind of a splashy move
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: at the time.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: He was the highest paid quarterback in NFL history at
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: the time.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, he was ready to kind of
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: move on from Washington and the Vikings were needing a quarterback.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: And the narrative around Kirk for a while was, yeah,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: he's a good quarterback, but he can't win the big games.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah he's a good quarterback, but he can't win in
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: prime time. Yeah he's a good quarterback, but he crumbles
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Right, and see flipped the narrative. I
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: think on Kirk Cousins. Now, the argument kind of falls
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: apart because now Kirk Cousins is sitting the bench behind
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Michael Pennox Junior in Atlanta. But I would argue that
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Koc helped Kirk get that next contract in Atlanta.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he kept Kirk's career relevant long enough to get
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: correct contract.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: So we saw it with Josh Dobbs a little bit. Now,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Dobbs is not a starting caliber quarterback. I don't think
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: he ever was, but Chaos kind of helped flip the
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: script with Dobbs and got him going in the right direction. Right.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: You look at Sam Donald. Man KOs flipped the script
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: with Sam Donald. Sam Donald played for some really bad
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: teams and then he comes to the Vikings and go
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: he wins fourteen games, and now he's playing.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: With Seattle three and two right now, three and two.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: But I think an up and up three and two,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: not a not a kind of like could go either
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: way three and two, like the Vikings are right now,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: it's an up and up three and two. You have
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and Jigba, who's arguably one of the best
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: receivers and also one of the leading scorers on my
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: fantasy team. I'd like to point out, but so this
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: is a really long winded point. Some of my points
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: are that way. That's just however won That's all right,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: But what if What if again Devil's advocate? What if
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: koc flips the script with JJ but in the wrong way?
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Like JJ McCarthy was this highly touted national championship winning quarterback.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins never won a national championship. Sam Darnold never
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: won a national championship in college. Uh none of the
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: other guys that have played quarterback for uh KOs have.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Did Carson Wentz win a national championship.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: With Dakota State? But I think yeah, he won.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: He wont an FCS championship multiple I think I think so.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's fair to say that the man won
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: a national championship. It's just not a Division one FBS championship.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: But he won an FCS championship for sure, mostly beating
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: up on our U and I panthers, oh yeah, in
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: the process. But could it be that Chaos is the
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: script flipper and flips the script on JJ in the
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: wrong way? Right?
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I hope not, you know, I hope that's not the case,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: But it does seem like maybe there's this like overconcerted
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: effort to make JJ into something that he's potentially not
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: when it comes to being an NFL quarterback. And that
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: brings me to my point that we were talking about
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: before we recorded, and I guess we're just gonna kind.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Of Wentz won five national championships in college.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: That's actually hilarious. I think he started for four of them.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: But anyways, that's actually pretty awesome. Like, Carson Wentz is
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: a five time national championship winning quarterback. That's a big deal,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: right Like Patrick Mahomes can't say that, Peyton Manning can't
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: say that.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Stiff Tom Brady can't say that different different playing field.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: I get it, I get it, I get it. But
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: and and Carson Wentz, we can focus on him for
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: a second. He's been through it, right, Like, he came
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: into the league highly touted because he had such a
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: pedigree coming in from FCS college football having won so much.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, North Dakota State was unstoppable when we were
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: in college and he was player's still it's North Dakota
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: State and South Dakota State. Those are the kind of
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: the two big programs in South Dakota States. My parents
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: alma mater.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Oddly I didn't know.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, anyways, the jack Rabbits is that them? Okay? Yeah,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Brookings South Dakota interesting, But we digress. Carson Wentz, who
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: knows what could happen? Right, koc could flip the script
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: on this highly touted NFL quarterback who came in had
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: all the potential in the world and then just kind
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: of underperformed and then got injured, and then his team
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl and then he kind of became irrelevant,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: and then he kind of hopped around and now he's
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: with the Vikings with the quarterback whisperer, and.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: He's he's looked okay Sam Darnold.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Level, he's played okay, he's played Okay. I'm not saying
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: he's played great, and I'm not saying he's played poorly.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: The sample size that we've gotten from JJ McCarthy is
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: much too small at this point, absolutely like we just
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: we don't know. And I think that's maybe the point
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: you're trying to argue more than anything, is the fact
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: that we just haven't seen enough out of this guy
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: to prove whether or not he's a capable NFL starting
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: quarterback or not.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: In the NFL, you either have a quarterback or you don't.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: And right now the Vikings are hiding behind.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Again.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: I'm not one of those crazies that thinks JJ got
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: a soft benching or he's not actually injured or whatever,
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: but I do think on some level the Vikings are
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: hiding behind an injury and saying, hold on, we're gonna
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: wait until JJ is one hundred percent healthy and one
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: hundred percent ready. They're hiding behind that because the alternative is, Okay,
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: we throw them out there and prove either he does
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: suck and we made a terrible decision at tenth overall,
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: or hopefully, yeah, this kid's got it. Maybe we're not
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: gonna win every game, but this kid we're going places
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: with JJ McCarthy. They can't know either of those until
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: they throw them out there. So there. I think that's
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: why I say that. I think they're playing scared or
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: they're coaching scared with that, And I get it if
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: he's not healthy enough, Like I know, as a quarterback,
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: you need a solid plant foot to be able to
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: put the right you know that ball, And if you
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: can't plant your foot because you have a wicked ankle sprain,
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: then you're gonna look terrible. Even if you're good enough
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: to walk around and jog around, you may not be
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: good enough to throw an NFL football at a high level.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: I totally get that. But at some point his ankle
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: is gonna heal, and at some point the team has
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: to throw him out there or admit, yeah, he's not
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: the guy we whipped on it. He's the next trailance.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: But oh crap, we don't have rock party, or we're
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: just waiting on once to mess up before we throw
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: in Max Brosmer to see what he is. I think
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: they're just there's some fear in their decision making, and
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: it sucks to think that way.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: I saw something on one of the ESPN talk shows
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: this morning that I kind of resonated with a little bit,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: but I also kind of disagreed with they said. One
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: of the talking heads I don't even remember who it was,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: said something along the lines of these young NFL quarterbacks
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: need fifty quality starts. Now that's not NFL necessarily, but
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: it's like high level college and NFL fifty high quality starts.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: So like you're talking big four matchups, like ranked matchups,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: National Championship or the playoffs, you know, in college plus
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: NFL starting experience, you need fifty quality games to really
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: develop a quarterback into an NFL caliber quarterback. And I
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: guess I don't have a hard and fast number on
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: JJ to go back and say he's there or he's
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: not quite there yet.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: I think including high school, he's at something like sixty
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: five starts.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: And he's only ever won. And I think that's another
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: part of the problem too, that he's just never really
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: faced adversity.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got like sixty five starts and like three losses. Ever,
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: it's crazy. So and then that's why you say, oh
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: my gosh, he's got it. He can do it, he
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: can lead a team. Also, I saw a tweet today
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: that it's a cynical tweet and it's almost not even
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: worth saying, but it's a fan account said something like
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: I hear you know. JJ McCarthy's teammates say great things
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: about him all the time. But the things they say
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: about him is, oh, he's a great leader. It's never
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: oh he just sees the field differently and knows where
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: to put the ball, or oh he knows how to
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: play the game, or oh his his throwers are so
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: hard they kind of hurt my hands when I try
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: to catch his football. Like it's always oh, he's a
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: good leader. And he said an amazing quote like where
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: else would you rather be? And you know, like that's fun,
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: but like you need to be able to do it.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: And again I know that that's such a cynical take
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: to have, like oh, all he does is raw raw,
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: Like no, he I just want to I'm frustrated because
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: I want to see is he good or does he suck?
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: And the Vikings need to move on so I have
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: a fun exercise for us. This is the longest Thorns
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: segment ever, but.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: It is what it is. This is our podcast. We
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: can make it whatever.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying. It's a bad thing.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: So you've made it pretty clear that you are kind
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: of at this point pro JJ.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: I'm pro putting him on the field, yes, and I
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: want to be a fan of his.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Agreed, and I'm pro that too. But last week I
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: made it pretty clear that I'm pro win right now.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: And if you can if you can get some of
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: these other injuries figured out, if you can get Cashman
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: and Van Ginkel, and you get Aaron Jones back in
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: the backfield, and you get that one two punch back
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: at running back, you get your offensive line healthy again
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: and they can block.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: JJ has yet to play with Christian Darrisaw. That's huge,
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: by the way.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: That's big. Keep going, Sorry, I was a pretty big
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: for the win now mentality. Carson Wentz has won two
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: out of the three games that he started, and JJ's
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: only won one, and he played terribly for three quarters
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: in that game and then magically pulled it out of
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: his butt in the fourth quarter of that Bears game
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: on Monday Night in Week one and got the win.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: So to me, that's enough to say Carson Wentz is
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: the guy. And it kind of seems like that's the
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: way things are trending, at least for this Week seven
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: matchup against the Eagles.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Kevin Seifert on Twitter somewhere or in
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: an interview somewhere, basically reported that Carson Wentz is going
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: to be starting against the Eagles.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: So here's what I want us to do. I want
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: us to flip the script and I want you to
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: give me your best argument for starting Carson Wentz, and
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: I will give my best argument for starting JJ, because
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: I think it's good to try to like understand and
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: argue the other side of the coin.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: Well, I want to be clear, I want to start JJ,
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: not because I think wholeheartedly he's the best quarterback on
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: the team and he is the guy, and they're gonna
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: lose every game unless they start JJ, Because what do
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: you mean, JJ's the next Peyton Manning? You know, Like
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: I'm not, I'm not in that field. I just want
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: He's obviously the main He's the engine of this Vikings car.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: He's the one that the team has put their their resources,
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: resources behind. He was a tenth overall pick. He's the
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: one that they're putting the reputation behind, and he's very important.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: And the sooner, you know, if he's bad, the sooner
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: you can move on and if he's good, then you
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: support the crap out of him and you do things
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: like draft offensive line in the in the first round
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that. That's my immediate reason to throw
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: him in there. Just to be clear, And I'm also
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: not anti Carson Wentz. I just I don't love what
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: Carson Wentz presents for the twenty twenty five Vikings right now.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: He seems like a plug and play veteran that can throw,
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: but he's not the future. Just to make it clear
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: on my thoughts on JJ and Wentz right now in
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty five.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: But so, but play the game. Yeah, argue for Wentz
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: right now? Why if you had sixty seconds with KOC
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: to make your case, this is why I think you
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: should start Wentz. What would you say?
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So my argument to play Carson Wentz right now
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: is the same reason Sam Darnold was so good last
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: year with the Vikings. Experienced guy with a proven track
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: record of not being awful at least you know he's wins.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: Is not the pro bowler he once was, he's not
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: the MVP candidate he once was. But he's a guy
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: that's been around the league and knows what it looks
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: like to study film as an NFL quarterback and have
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: more experience, and I would assume that translates into a
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: better understanding of how to be coached by an elite
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: QB whisperer type coach in Kevin O'Connell. So if I
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: want Carson Wentz to play right now, it's because I
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: think he gives Kevin O'Connell the best chance to coach
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: a quarterback, someone that you don't have to spend ten
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: hours with throughout the week to explain or coach up
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: one aspect, whereas you can just say, hey, point one,
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: two and three, that's that's your coaching, Whereas with Jja,
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: maybe it's I do have to sit in a room
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: with him and on the field with him to mold
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: him to understand one, and then mold him to understand two,
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: and then mold him to understand three. Maybe he'll get one,
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: two and three. But with Carson Wentz, maybe it's just hey, one, two, three,
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: that's what I want to see go. Maybe Wentz's better
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: app to be like, oh, ye I got you. Doesn't
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: really make sense to me, but you say it, so
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go, oh, hey, it worked, you know, like,
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: that's why I think Wentz would be a better option
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: right now. And if they throw JJ out there for
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: a few weeks and he's terrible, then my personal attitude
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: will switch to be like, hey, WinCE, isn't the future
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: five years from now, but darn it, we're in the
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: wild card hunt and he can He's proven he can
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: win games. Put the better guy out there. That's where
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: my attitude will switch.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: That's actually a really good argument.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: What about you, Why should and you're not against you're
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: not anti JJ, I'm not, But why should JJ be
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: the starter right now?
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: I think a few reasons. Number One, he is that
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: ninth overall pick that you you know, you kind of
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: gave up some some.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: Leverage for so to speak, in the draft they traded
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: up one from eleven to ten and it didn't take
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: nothing to get over that ninth.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: So I think there's that, And there's a little bit
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: to prove there, not just JJ having something to prove,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: but coach and GM having something to prove that they
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: made the right decision to make the trade and get
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: the guy and bring him in. You know, in a
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: top ten scenario, I would also say that youth is
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: on his side. Carson Wentz is old. We saw from
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: JJ that he can be a mobile quarterback in his
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: first couple of games, and we saw it when he
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: was at Michigan too, Like he's not afraid to run
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: the ball if the play breaks down.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: Even in the Bears game that he helped win the
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: game for that rushing time down.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: What I'm saying like, he's proven both collegiately and professionally
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: that he's not afraid to take matters into his own
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: hands and move the ball. Carson Wentz did that a
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: little bit, and he did that at the end of
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: the first half in one of these games internationally, and
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: he came back with a big shoulder brace on his
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: left is non throwing my I throw with my left,
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: so I was gestured to my right. But no, he
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: he came out with a big brace on his left shoulder.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: It didn't seem like it affected his throwing motion too badly,
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: but he I think Carson Wentz tried to prove, oh,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: I can still be that elusive you know, Jake Plumber
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: style quarterback, that Fran Tarkenton style. You know, when the
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: play breaks down, I can just scramble all over the
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: place and make it happen, and it didn't go great
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: for him. It was okay, wasn't bad, wasn't anything disastrous,
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: but it didn't go great. And and JJ gives you
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: a better a better option that way. So I think
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: youth is on JJ's side as well. So not only
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: is there this like franchise pressure of prove it, but
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: he's young, he's mobile, when he's healthy. I think he
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: is a really good athlete. And then I think my
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: last argument with JJ would be he's I don't think
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: he's that far off. And I read something today that said,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: like Kaos seems to believe that it's just like his footwork,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: and it's just like it's it's like this like one
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: or two degree shift in like the verbiage that Kaos
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: seemed to put out there in his in his press
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: conference was basically like, yeah, I've spent more time with
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: him recently, but it's time spent on those little tiny details.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: It's not these broad things. It's not like the one
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: than two than three that you are describing. It's more
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: like you have it. It's just your feet were here
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: and I need them here.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: It's that kind of shift. It's like you know you've
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: you've heard the illustration that if a ship's rudder is
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: like one degree to the left, it's gonna go three
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: hundred miles.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, off course or something like that, or even like
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: in golf, I don't know, have you ever. I'm I'm
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: very amateur golfer, like basically one step above mini golf,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: you know, like if I go out, I go out. Yeah,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: I go out on an actual golf course once or
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: twice a year maybe. And there have been a few
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: times I've been with people who some people hate it
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: when other people they're golfing with try to give them
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: tips like hey, if you choke up here, if you
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: move your feet here a little bit, it'll go better.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: I'm all for it because I don't know anything. But
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: there have been probably more than five or six times
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: in my entire life that somebody has given me a
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: tip where it's like, hey, just do this one thing
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: with your hands, or move your shoulders is one way,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: or make sure your feet are doing this one thing.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: A few times where I've been given one just think
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: about it tip, and literally five seconds later, when I
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: take my next swing, I notice a big difference. It's like,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: whoa I'm ten percent better at golf now, you know,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: I think JJ is kind of like that, Yeah, be
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: coachable or like, how often do we hear like NFL kickers? Yeah,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: he keeps missing, but he hired a you know, the
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: team brought in a specific kicking coach and they just
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: tweaked his mechanic one little bit and oh my gosh,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: he's amazing. Now he's made his last twenty kicks, you know,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: stuff like that. Is that kind of what you're getting at.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, yeah, for sure, Like the potential for growth
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: with JJ McCarthy is so much higher than it is
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: with Carson Wentz. And I think you kind of made
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: that point with Carson Wentz where you were kind of saying,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: like he doesn't need a lot of work, he's more
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: of a plug and play, And I think that point
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: is valid. But I think the ceiling, let's maybe call
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: it that ceiling for JJ McCarthy is so much higher
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: than Carson Wentz at this point, right, because he's such
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: an unknown quality, because he was so good in college.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: He won a national championship at the FBS level in
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: this new playoff era, right, like it's not you know,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: like he won the Orange Bowl in the nineties when
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: FBS was kind of this enigma and we didn't really
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: know who the national tream like, I could probably call
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: it my father in law right now. He's a big
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: Nebraska fan, and we could probably talk about like years
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: where they should have won a national championship and didn't
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: because they just didn't play in the right bowl game
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: or whatever. Right like JJ he played at He played
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl of college football and won. And
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: that's a pretty big deal. And there are gonna be
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: people that'll say, well, he handed the ball off more
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: than he threw that. Well whatever, he still had to
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: make it through an entire Big Ten season and several
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: playoff games to get to that. He didn't hand the
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: ball off exclusively in all those other games, and he
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: passed the ball really well. So if I were to
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: make an argument for JJ McCarthy, it would be those things.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: His youth and his ceiling are much more of an
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: advantage than Carson Wentz at this point. Is Carson Wentz
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: a bad option? I don't think so. And I'm still
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: going to come back after the hypothetical scenario and say
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: I want to win now team, especially if we get
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: some of these other guys healthy, and I really don't
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: care if JJ McCarthy continues to sit and learn and
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: sit and absorb. I think he's the type of kid
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: that will patiently wait for his opportunity. You look at
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: a guy like Jordan Love, right, yeah, oh my god,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: he almost had no choice but to sit behind Aaron
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: Rodgers because Aaron Rodgers was playing at a freaking MVP
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: level for so long.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: I think about Jordan Love. He went from literally one
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: minute sitting there draft night waiting for his name to
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: be called. He doesn't know where he's gonna go. He
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: probably had a list of like three or four teams, like, oh,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: maybe they'll draft me, I'll be the starter, Maybe maybe
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: I can be Cleveland's quarterback. You know, you never know.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: And then literally sixty seconds later, his whole life changed,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: and he's like, well, now I'm sitting behind Aaron Rodgers
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: for one year, two year, three, however many years, and
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: there's no chance, outside of injury, for me to see
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: the field. Like can you imagine that reality? Like just
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: to go from like but also like he was a
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: first round pick, like celebrate being a first round pick.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: I totally derailed that because I've had that thought about
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: Jordan Love for a long time, but crazy how to
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: the same point, like he had to be patient. And
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: I'm not a vi Era, I'm not a Packers fan.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: I don't read their media stuff. I don't know if
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: he ever complained, Like, man, I wish another team drafted
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: me so I could sit or so I could be
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: a starter, But I don't feel like I ever heard
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: about him complaining.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: And I would like to take this moment since we're
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: on that thread for a moment. I don't think Jordan
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: Love is the like cream of the crops of NFL quarterbacks.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: But if JJ McCarthy turned out to be, if.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy could elevate to that level of quarterback play
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: that is current Jordan Love play, I'd be happy. I'd
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: be really happy. But I watched the Packers Bengals game
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: this last week, and yeah, the Packers won. Okay, fine,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: they played the Bengals. The Bengals kept it close, which
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: I was happy about.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: But even with Joe Flacco, who had been there for listening.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, which was crazy.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: Like that was kind of like a Josh Dobbs scenario,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: probably where Zach Taylor's probably colin plays into him like, Okay,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: this is what you're gonna see, and this is how
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: we're gonna do it.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: I just got a whiff of sardeny out of nowhere.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know I've been getting it for a while.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: Well, they're closer to you by a couple of inches.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: But how is the taste. I know you said it
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: didn't leave the taste is.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: Gone, but I mean, I'm almost three beers at this point.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: You've drank at least a beer and a half since
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: you had that sartine.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so anyways, not the flavor's gone for the most part.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: I don't want to do another one now because that
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: would be that would derail everything. All that to say,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: Jordan Love just didn't look like super accurate. He didn't
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: look super great. Did he have some big plays? Yeah,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: I have Romeo Dobs on my fantasy team. He was
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: sitting the bench. No wait, no he was. I think
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: he was playing in my flex spot this week. He
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: did okay, he had some you know, good long down
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: the field completions and they won the game. You can't
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: argue with that. A win is a win. But there
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: just wasn't a whole lot that was impressive about Jordan
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: Love's performance, and I'm not trying to take away too
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: much from him because he's an NFL starting quarterback, but
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: I'd be okay personally. And this is where I'm not
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: playing Devil's advocate anymore. We're not playing the game. We're
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: flipping perspectives. I would totally be okay if JJ McCarthy
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: sat for another year or two under these other veteran quarterbacks.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: Like last year he got Sam Donald and he got
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: to watch koc work his magic with Sam Donald and
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: flip the script with Sam Donald. It's a little too
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: early to tell with Carson Wentz, but I wouldn't mind
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: if Carson Wentz got the NOD for the better part
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: of the season and JJ McCarthy's just kind of sitting
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: there in the wings, healthy, capable, but learning and maturing
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: and developing. Right, I'd be okay with that if it
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: turned into a Jordan Love product where he's a very
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: capable NFL quarterback that can win games.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: If that were the reality, I guess all we can
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: do is sit and watch games and talk about him
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: each week on a podcast like twenty people listen to that,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: I'd be very frustrated. I'm already you can hear it.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: I'm already very frustrated with how they're dealing with the
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy scenario. I would have no control over it,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: but if that were to play out, I'd be very
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: frustrated about JJ McCarthy. But if they were to keep
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: winning games, I'd be the maddest happy Vikings fan ever,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: because like, how mad can you be after win after
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: win after win? And that's assuming they keep winning. Wentz
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: has done nothing to make me think, wow, crap, Like
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: why did they thrown him out there? He hasn't thrown
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: three interceptions in a game like Nick Mullens has. He
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: hasn't said terrible things. He hasn't, you know, done anything
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: to make me think Wentz shouldn't be playing. But I
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: just knowing what they've committed with JJ McCarthy, that's why
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: I want them out there. I had something I wanted
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: to ask you about, but I totally forgot. Who is
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: your team MVP through the first five games?
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: So MVP. I was thinking about this because I have
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: to determine this for my team that I coach. Oh sure,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: And I was thinking about it today actually on our
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: bus ride because we had a competition today. I was
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: thinking about the middle letter of that abbreviation V valuable, right,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: where does value come from in terms of a team?
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: And I kind of came up. I came to a
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: conclusion pretty quickly when it comes to my team, the
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: sport that I coach, where value comes from, it's pretty
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: easy to like, no, it's yep, it's whoever does that.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: If they do that, then they're the MVP. It doesn't
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: matter anything else. So I got to thinking about value
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: for the Vikings. Where do the Vikings get the most
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: value from their players? And I think right now, a
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: lot of the value comes on the defensive side of
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: the ball. And I think the the MVP right now
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: for me is kind of a tie between Blake Cashman
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: and Andrew Van Ginkel. And the value comes less from
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: their play on the field, And it absolutely has to
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: do with their play on the field, but more so
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: their absence from playing. And you know the fact that
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: they're not playing right now they've been injured, proves their value.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: The Vikings have struggled more because they're not on the field.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: Blake Cashman is the quarterback of the defense. He's the
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: green dye. Whenever he's on the field, He's kind of
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: this quiet leader. Yeah, he's kind of to me, kind
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: of a Harrison Smith kind of guy. But he's so
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: football smart and he sits literally in the middle of
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: the field whenever he's out there, and he sees everything
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: and he can quickly look over his shoulder make sure
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: the guy's in the defensive backfield or in the right spot.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: He can see in front of him that everybody else
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: is in the right spot. He's he's a big time
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: MVP and I think being Ginkle too. Right. We saw
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: him last year he jumped those little screen bubble screen
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: passes that the opposing offenses tried to throw at him,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: and he got those two pick sixes off of those.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: He did it again. I forget which game it was,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: but like he jumped one of those. He didn't get
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: the pick six, but like he was.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he had one that looked.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: Like he was on and I think I texted you
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: or you were we were watching it together. I can't
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: remember what I was. Like, he did that.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: Twice last year, Like that was that was was against
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: the Bears and we saw it together.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, it must have been. Yeah. But anyways, those
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: two guys man, when they are on the field. They
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: are extremely valuable to the team and their absence has
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: kind of made the heart grow fonder, so to speak.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: I think Blake Cashman as far as like none outside
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: of the Vikings organization and outside of Vikings fans, he
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: is the most underrated Viking on the entire team right now,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: because for everything you just said, it seems like he
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: definitely he's the green dot. He gets guys lined up
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: in the right spot, he sees things, he makes the calls,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: but just the the intangible. When he's in everything seems
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: to go well. Like when he's in Ivan Pace plays better,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: you know he's When Blake Cashman's in, the pieces just
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: seemed to connect better. So obviously he's doing things that
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: we're not seeing. We're not privy to even down to
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: what is he saying in the huddle. It's got to
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: be good things. So I think those are good good selections,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: not traditional selections. Kind of reminds me of when Peyton
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: Manning for the Colts, he had that one year with
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: his neck that out of nowhere, he like right before
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: the season it became clear that he wasn't going to
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: be playing because he had this neck injury and then
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: out of nowhere. The Colts had been great every year
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: and then that one year it's like, oh, they're terrible,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: and then they got the first overall pick and got
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: Andrew Luck because Peyton Manning was too injured to play,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: and some people, I think Peyton Manning even got like
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: official ap MVP, like at least one vote because this
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: Colts team was so elite and then one one player
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: went out. And obviously Peyton Manning's amazing, one of the
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: best quarterbacks in history, but like the Colt's completely dereeled
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: because of one player. Like so it kind of reminds
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: me of that an injured player is showing their value
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: by not being there rather than being.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: There, And I think that's to me, that's where value
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: is kind of defined where like it And again I
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: really quickly going back to the quarterback conversation, JJ McCarthy
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: is such an unknown at this point, like it's hard
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: to know his value because we haven't seen him out there.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: So as much right to me, Carson Wentz is more
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: valuable than JJ McCarthy, So you put the more valuable
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: player out there because he's playing, sure, yeah, playing up
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: to his value, as opposed to JJ, who was drafted
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: at a high value but has yet to play to
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: that value, right, Like, That's where I'm coming at with
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: that argument. So I want to know who your MVP
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: is though.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: So when I wrote down my MVP, I knew that
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: you would see who I selected before I saw who
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: you selected. And because of that, I kind of picked
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: a guy thinking you'd pick the other guy. So I
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: kind of have co MVPs as well, the guy I
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: initially selected. So far, just off stat sheet, just off
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: the way we've seen players on the field, I think
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: you have to recognize Isaiah Rodgers, yeah, as at least
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: one of, if not the best team MVP for the
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: Vikings so far. I know most of his on the
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: stat sheet stats are coming from that one Bengals game,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: but my goodness, he had enough things happen force fumble,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: fumble recovery, fumble recovery for a touchdown, interception for a touchdown.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: He didn't allow much passing yards of that game either.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: All of that in one game was enough to statistically
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: put him he should earn player, you know, defensive Player
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: of the month. I think that was probably when when
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: was that game? Was it in September? It was September
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty one or September twenty first. Who won Defensive
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: Player of the Month in September Byron Young? Yeah, Byron Young.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: But Isaiah Rogers statue was enough that you could argue
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: he could have been Defensive Player of the Month just
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: based off of one game. Now, you know, I'm not
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: mad that he didn't win it for that one game,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: but whatever. He's my MVP so far because he's played
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: well all season, not just that one game. Teams can't
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: pass against Isaiah Rodgers right now. He's having statistically the
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: best season of his career.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: I know, he was with the Colts and then got
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: in trouble for sports betting, which don't sports bet if
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: you're an athlete, Like that's obviously dumb, and then played
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: as kind of a backup with the Eagles last year,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: but all they did was win the Super Bowl. So
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: this is really his first, like starting, his first opportunity
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: to be a starter since being in trouble for sports betting,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: and he is thriving, and I hope the Vikings give
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: him all the money now and sign him long term.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: My other MVP is obviously Justin Jefferson, even amidst all
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: of the injury concerns for the rest of the team,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: the quarterback concerns, the adversity going overseas, and everything. All
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson's done, even after missing all of training camp
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: to an injury that I was probably unrightfully annoyed with
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: on the podcast you know a few weeks, all Justin
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: Jefferson has done is continue being the best player on
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: the team. He's still putting up good receiving stat line.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: He's still playing very well. And if anybody would have
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: anything to complain about to be on a team that's
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: really frustrating, you think it'd be their diva wide receiver.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: But he's not a diva wide receiver. He's just a
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: really good number one wide receiver in the NFL. So
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: those two guys are my MVP's offensive and defensive for
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: the team.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: And I thought about giving Justin Jefferson my MVP. I
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: really did. But the nothing against Usin Jefferson. Everything you've
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: said is great, Yeah, wonderful. I love the guy, and
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: I love the fact that he's a Viking, and it
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: seems like he's going to be a Viking for a
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: very long time. It doesn't seem like he allows the
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: business side of things to get in.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: The way, not publicly, at least not publicly, not that
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: I've heard anything otherwise.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: I think he has a lot of trust with ownership,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: with management and with coach. That goes a long way.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: And I think he's a leader right Like. We've watched
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: other guys of his caliber do stupid stuff, including his
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: own teammate, Jordan Addison.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: His former Viking, not teammate. But the reason he's a
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: Viking is just or digs, just stuff on Diggs. Randy
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: Moss back in the day had some diva to him.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: Both Stints is of Viking and so.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: He's in a lot of ways. Justin Jefferson is righting
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of those wrongs that Vikings fans have experienced.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: And I think that's a really good thing. And I
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: don't disagree with you at all. I think what a
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: great m VP pick. And I would have picked him too,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: but value right Like, I look at those other two
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: guys and the I think if Justin Jefferson were removed
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: from the picture, I don't know that offensively we would
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: see a huge dip in offensive production. Now that's not
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: to discredit the four hundred and forty nine yards, the
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: one touchdown that he has, he's got, He's got some
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: decent stats, right.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: With two different quarterbacks. With two different quarterbacks are not
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: playing like MVPs right now.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: But I think the absence of Cashman and Van Ginkel
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: weighs more heavily on the defense than an absence of
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson said. Four forty nine is his total yardage
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: currently seventh best in the league right now.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: That's only good for a pace of fifteen hundred and
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: twenty six yards.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: So but then you look at it, so you look
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: at like Jackson Smith and Jigba. He's racked up six
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: hundred and ninety six yards currently, Like he's on pace
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: for a two thousand yards eason?
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: Is he not?
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: Nineteen seventy two almost? He's also got one more game
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: under his belt so far this season. But that's average wise,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: you know, it evens out with the average.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, A couple of the other guys on this
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: list are Hurt, Puka, Nakua got hurt.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he might miss a couple of weeks.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: He's second right now, and just looking at yards overall,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: a Meccagbuka.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: He's injured.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: He's hurt as well, and then of course there's the
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: the ever back and forth between Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: But he's healthy and playing well, but he's not that
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: far ahead of JJ. I'm on Ross Ain't Brown is
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: having a decent season at.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: Four guys that you expect to have good all of those, Yeah,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: and there's no surprises on that.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: Then I saw something today to third overall is George
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: Pickens with Dallas. He's like, I don't know if I
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: want to be a cowboy, and.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: Well he's been, he's had a solf inflicted rough go
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: for the last few years. Yeah, I say, no surprises.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: Pickens might be a little bit of a surprise, and
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: even Smith and Jigbo he might be a little bit
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: of a surprise, but not shocking, you know, nothing crazy
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: like I could have ever seen that coming.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: But Pickens and I'm gonna Sam Brown lead the league
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: in touchdowns right now, Yes, six touchdowns for receivers. That's
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: a lot at this point in the season. That's basically
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: won a game.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, So all right, Well, I think we spent
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: a lot of time sprinkling in talking about injuries throughout
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: this this first part.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: It's no secret the Vikings are hurt, yep, and we
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: need some of these guys to come back.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: A couple guys might be coming back. Sounds like Billy Cashman.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: If not this week, definitely next week he'll be back.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy sounds like he's almost there, so I think
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: he'll be okay as far as practice today. This is
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: the first day of the week. We're recording. Wednesday first
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: the week, they released an injury report and Brian O'Neill
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: was on there as a full participant, which is huge
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: news no matter who your quarterback is. Oh no, sorry,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: he was a limited participant, but still he's missed a
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: few games, so that's unless he gets a set back,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: he could play.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: That's still really good news.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: Carson Wentz. He was listed as a full participant, which
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: as a guy who's currently the starting quarterback, you want
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: him to be as healthy as possible. Donovan Jackson was
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: listed what was he limited? But he's coming off of
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: injury or surgery on his wrist, But sounds like he
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: would have played and foregoed that surgery as long as possible,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: which is pretty awesome either way. The injury storyline seems
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: to be getting better for the Vikings, which I think
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: is good news.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: I do think the design nation of Carson Wentz as
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: full and JJ McCarthy as limited is important as it
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: relates to the Eagles game this week. And I'm not
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: bringing anything new to the table here. I think friend
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: of the Show Dustin Baker even tweeted about it earlier today,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: like secrets out, probably going to be Carson Wentz at quarterback.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: Well, and like I said earlier, I think I saw
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: on Twitter Kevin Seifer basically reported Carson Wentz is going
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: to be starting. So I'm taking that for gold. I'm
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: taking that to be one hundred percent true, even if
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: the Vikings themselves haven't totally professed that, which a lot
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: of teams when there's a question, they kind of keep
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: it close to their chest until game day, which is
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: their right. That's fine. But yeah, I'm fully ex expecting
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: Wentz to be QB one.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: What'll be interesting is if Wentz is QB one, who's
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: QB two? Is it JJ or is it Brosmer? Does
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: Brosmer get elevated from that emergency QB three practice squad position?
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: So my thought if JJ McCarthy and I looked today
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: on the Viking's website their official depth chart as of
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: right now, which may not be fully updated. But if
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: you look right now vikings dot com and we're recording,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: you know, it's almost ten o'clock on October fifteenth, their
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: QB depth chart list JJ McCarthy as QB one. So
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: that tells me if JJ McCarthy as QB one, first
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: guy on the depth chart isn't starting, then he's not
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: healthy enough to play and he'll be inactive. If they
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: were to come out and list JJ McCarthy as QB two,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know what i'd think, Like what, he's one
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: play You think he's one play away from playing and
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: competing at an NFL level, but he's not healthy enough
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: to play at the position you're listing him at as
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: QB one. So all that to say, I fully expect
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: if Kevin Seiffertz right, which he's basically reporting that this
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: is the case, If Carson Wentz starts, Max Brosmerus QB two,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: and then maybe just because they'd have to list somebody,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy could be that emergency inactive QB three. But
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: I think in that scenario they'd throw somebody else out
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: there before they'd go to JJ McCarthy if he's really
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: not healthy enough to play.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, we did see him do the little wildcat
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: thing right.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: In a game.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah didn't Or are you thinking when.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: Cam Akers took the wildcat snap and throw a touchdown?
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, So did I say Cam a cam Aker's name, yes,
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: QB three.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: No, not as QB three, But that's what I'm thinking,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: Like they did do that, Like Cam Akers played quarterback
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: when he was in high school and they drew up
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: that kind of trick play where Cam Akers came in
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: as the well he threw a touchdown pass, threw a
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: touchdown pass.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: So I think a reporter confirmed after the game with
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: Cam Akers and basically asked him, and Cam said, like,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: oh yeah, if because they didn't have that emergency QB
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: three because remember, at least against the Browns, they had
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: waived Desmond Ritter, so he wasn't even an OPT, he
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: wasn't a Viking. So I think somebody asked and Cam
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: Akers said, yes, if it had gotten to that point,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: I would have been the quarterback if both Wentz and
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: Brosmer went down.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: And I bet, like when you're overseas like that, and
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: it's tougher to get guys over there in those emergency
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: situations like Kevin O'Connell's probably kind of like, Okay, we
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: gotta have to.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: You got to. You have to have a plan.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: You have to have a plan. And I would venture
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: to guess that play where cam Akers threw that touchdown
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: was probably designed for more than just like, oh, let's
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: get cute and see if we can catch them off guard.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: You bet they practiced, but maybe it's like, Okay, well,
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: if the worst happens, now we know that Cam Akers
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: can do it.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: And the ball didn't look terrible.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: I mean it looked like a running back down the ball,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: but it didn't to your credit. Probably yeah, the best
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: running back throw good look and.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: He scored a touchdown. So as far as the Vikings
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: hosting the Eagles this week, I was going to ask
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: you who you thought would start at quarterback, but now
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: it seems all but certain Carson Wentz for better for worse,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: He's going to be the starter. So but I did
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: I did see something interesting on Twitter. Somebody posted a
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: poll and I want to see, Oh, okay, so at
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: Matt underscore fulk with one Bar, he's one bar and
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: Loup Pakis podcast. They're good guys. But Matt Falk on
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: Twitter posted a poll which we'll we'll retweet, but basically
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: he asked a question, and that I'm going to ask you.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: He said, would you rather have JJ McCarthy at ninety
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: percent healthy, which we can assume he's probably around ninety
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: percent right now, or Carson Wentz one hundred percent healthy
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: starting this Sunday against the Eagles, which is also not
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: fair because just with his shoulder, Carson Wentz is probably
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: not one percent percent. But let's just assume McCarthy ninety
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: Wentz one hundred as things sit right now. Evan, who
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: do you who would you say in that poll? Who
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: would you answer? JJ? Or Wentz?
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: I would stick with Wentz for a few reasons. Wentz
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: is the more experienced quarterback. Wentz knows the Eagles and
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: would have gone up against at least some of those
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: defensive players in practice when he was an Eagle, probably
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: not all of them. That would probably be tough to quantify,
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: like how much of the Eagles defense is still intact
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: from when Carson Wentz was playing the Eagles. I don't know, but.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: I think most of that team has even their coach
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: has Yeah, totally cycled through.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: But anyway, it's not like it's not like generations ago.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: It's not like Aaron Rodgers first season as the Packers
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: quarterback till now, you.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: Know, Like.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: Anyways, No, I think I would still take Carson Wentz.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with Carson Wentz his experience.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: I think he's played pretty well. Has he played outstanding?
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 4: No?
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: Has he played Sam Darnold level? No, But the potential
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: is there. Yeah, And I think the immediate ceiling for
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: Carson Wentz is higher than the immediate ceiling for sure,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: a less than JJ McCarthy.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, I think that's fair. So on my
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: personal account on Twitter, I answered that question and I
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: said JJ. But given that we have different answers on
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: the school hops official account, I did answer Carson Wentz.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: And let it be known that as of right now,
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 3: with seventy six votes, it says Carson Wentz has fifty
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: seven point nine percent of the votes, whereas obviously JJ
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: McCarthy has forty two point one percent. And again that's
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: if JJ McCarthy at ninety percent or Carson Wentz at
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: one hundred percent who should start this week against the Eagles.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: So that's probably pretty fair. I think the fan base
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: is probably pretty divided overall, and it's not one of
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: those where we're gonna have a knockdown, drag out argument.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: I'm not mad at you for thinking differently. I can
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: totally see your thought process. I feel like you can
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 3: see mine. But on some level, would you put JJ
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah out there this week if he's ninety percent over
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: Carson Wentz at one hundred, yes, I don't. If he's
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: not ninety, I don't.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: If he's ninety, I don't. I don't think the team
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: thinks he's ninety.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: And I think therein lies kind of the problem, right.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: Like, well, my personal fear, which I've said now probably
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: five or six times in the last hour and a half,
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: I think the team is afraid if he's only ninety,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm afraid that the team might be coaching scared.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: And if he's one hundred percent, I think the team
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: has no choice but to send him out. But again,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: I've pounded that that point down fully. Evan, the Vikings
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: hosts the Eagles. Carson Wentz is going to start at quarterback.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: This is at US Bank Stadium. The purple punishments that
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: we could be facing for next week, episode one ten
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: of the School Hop. Can you believe that? Preseason, Evan,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: you said that this was your lock for the Vikings
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: to lose.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: Did you also said it was your lock to lose?
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: Absolutely? So, if the Vikings lose, neither of us will
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: have to spin the wheel of purple punishments, that would
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: be nice. But if the Vikings win, obviously both of
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: us will have to spin. This is an all or
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: nothing one. I almost feel like maybe next year we
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: should set it up to where if we have weeks
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: that they're all are nothing, then we should trigger like
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: an in season prediction, kind of like we did for
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: this bye week where we have to pick separate sides,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: almost guaranteeing that it would guarantee that one of us
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: has to spin the wheel. Although maybe on air production meeting,
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: maybe we have like two wheels, and like if we
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: guarantee if we trigger the second wheel, then it's like
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: a difference less terrible punishment wheel. Anyways, we can talk
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: about that maybe, Yeah, that would be interesting. We could
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: talk about that later. Anyways, all that to say, Evan,
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: Vikings Eagles this week? What is your final prediction?
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: Sorry, I gotta clear my throat, mostly because I haven't
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: been feeling well man, but feeling great. This beer has
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: been really good, by the way, and you should you
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: should have that one.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: I was going to I hope this is okay.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: This is more than I figured.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: Once you did the fourth, then it was kind of yeah.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: We've We've talked a lot about our team. We've talked
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: a lot about the struggles that our team is facing
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: right now. I think the bye week will help a
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: lot of those things. But you're still going up again
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: a formidable opponent who currently I just don't want to
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: misquote this, so I'm gonna pull us up.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: The Eagles are four and two right now. I might
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 3: be wrong, but I think they've lost the last two games.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: They're four and two. The Vikings are three and two.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: It's it's a really good matchup between two really good teams.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: I think. I think Kevin O'Connell flips the script for
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: the Vikings coming out of the bye week, not flips
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: the script on the quarterback. I think, as we've already
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: kind of determined JJ will not start, Carson Wentz will
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: be the starter. I think we'll get a few more
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: key players back on both sides of the ball, which
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: will be welcomed. I think this is a close game.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: In fact, I think this is a classic Kevin O'Connell
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: one possession game. Things don't necessarily go the Viking's way.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: Hold on before you predict who wins, give us the
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: score and obviously finish your thought there, but I leave
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: it's the score before the team.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: I think the score will be twenty one to twenty.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: That's a close game.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: That's as close as you can get.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: Very close, yes, extremely close, as close as you possibly
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: could get. I think the Vikings win it, okay. I
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: think it's one of those razor thin victories that Kevin
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: O'Connell will come out looking back on it and say, yeah,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of things we can improve. We obviously
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: made some mistakes. We can do better in a lot
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: of areas, but we got the win and this is
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: something to build off of. I think this is a
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: cornerstone moment for this team. Can they put behind the
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: proverbial NFL champions.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: Well, much like the last time the Vikings scored twenty
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: one points, which was their last game and a near
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: close victory against the Browns. That seems pretty similar.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: So I like the Vikings here. I know the Eagles
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: are a little banged up, not to the extent that
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: it's like super concerning, not to the extent that the
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: Vikings are banged up, But I like the Vikings getting
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: some key pieces back. And I don't know, I've got
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: on my fantasy team right now. He has not been
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: performing well.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: In fact, someone else in our league has tried trading
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: for like fifteen times.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: And is it someone with the first name is starting
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: n yep. Yeah, my goodness, that guy.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, why do you why do you keep
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: trading for him?
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: He's the brother of a friend.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, that guy.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: That guy. If you're listening, comment because you're the worst
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: at just shotgun trading people.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: He tried to trade me for Omari and Hampton, who's
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: now on the IR. I should have done that, but no,
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna accept that trade. He's probably not gonna play. Yeah,
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense. Anyways.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, he tried to give you that guy.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: He tried to give me, And like, no, that's that's
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: not a good trade.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: Crazy, Okay.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: Anyways, I think the Vikings defense will shut down Saiquon,
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: not shut him down, shut him down, but they'll limit
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: him heavily and he's not gonna get me a lot
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: of fantasy points this week. Reserved to that fact.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: I also think it's gonna be a close game. I
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: think injuries are gonna be a factor. I think inexperience
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: may be a factor. I think just the way this
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: season has gone for both teams is gonna be a
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: huge factor. And I also think the Vikings are gonna
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: score twenty one points. But I think this is gonna
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: be one of the times where the defense just lets
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: through just one more play and the Eagles are gonna
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: score twenty four points and the Vikings are gonna fall
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: to an even three and three, just because there's so
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: much and I think that the season is wabbling right now.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: I don't think the season's over. I think my final
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: what I predict twelve and four for the team, I
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: think that's still in play. Maybe eighteen four. Okay, yeah, thirteen.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: Four, but predicted twelve and five.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: There it is, okay, But I think, yeah, this is
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: gonna be lost number three of four at least. I
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 3: just think there's so many questions for the Vikings to answer,
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: and I think it's gonna be too much. I think
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: they've narrowly won a game they shouldn't have last not
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: last week, two weeks ago, now against the Browns, and
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 3: I think this is just gonna be another lump that
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: they're gonna take. But I do think they're gonna eventually
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: figure everything out, regardless of who the quarterback is. Throughout
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: the season. I think people will get healthy. I think
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: coaching will get fine tuned. I think the outlook is
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: good for the Vikings, But this week against the Eagles,
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: I think the Eagles are just too good of a
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: team to lose three straight. And honestly, I think you
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: said it too. The Vikings defense against Saquon is going
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: to be a major point in whether they win or lose.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: Agreed for sure. Well, I'm excited to see how that
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: game plays out. I think it should be a really
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: good game. We both picked it as our lock to lose, though, Yeah, Like.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, they're the defending champs and they beat
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: the Chiefs just they beat the crap out of them
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl, so what else would you think.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's so early in the season, there should
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: still be the same old Eagles, which is a compliment
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: to them right now. Yeah, I think we're both pretty
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: pretty fair in that we're not only picked a loss
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 3: in the preseason, but a lock to lose. I hope
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: we're both wrong. I hope we both have to spin
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: the wheel. But I just unfortunately, I think the biking
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: is gonna lose this one.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm really glad that if we do have to
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: spin the wheel, the Sardians aren't on there anymore.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: Well, we still have a can of we do. I
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: guess we'll take it off.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: The way we could keep it on there if we
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: want to do it.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: There's still some bad one.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: Truthfully, it wasn't that bad, but it was bad enough.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: I've been getting whiffs all night. I've only gotten one,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: gone through a handful of beers to get that flavor
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: out of my mouth. It was terrible, But man, I
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: liked this beer a lot, this one, even after the
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: fish flavor.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: So last weekend, friend of the show Forest his wife
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: and he came over to my house and my wife
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: and them, the four of us, we had we've had
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: last three or four years now, like an annual Octoberfest
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: tasting where he brings four or five different Octoberfests from
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: different brews around the country, and I bring four or
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: five from ones that I find, and we try to
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: Forrest and I both tried to blindly taste each Octoberfest,
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 3: guess which they're from, give them a ranking, and see
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: how right and wrong we were. We had twelve this year.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: I got zero correct and the one I gave my
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: lowest ranking is the one that I've really been enjoying
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: the most really so far this year. But I would
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: say this Tellurian Chucktoberfest, had it been in that Octoberfest tasting,
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: would have been at least top three. This is fantastic.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: This might not sound like a compliment, but the textbook Octoberfest,
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: it hits all the marks that it needs to. It
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: doesn't do more than it has to and know less
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: than it has to.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: It's right in the lane where it needs to be.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: Do you want to know? Do you want to know
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 3: the beer that the Octoberfest that won Between both Forrest
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: and I would we ranked out of ten each beer,
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: both of us. I think he might have ranked it
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: a nine, but I think he ranked it a ten.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: I definitely ranked it a ten. The one that beat
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: everybody else out was Sam Adams Octoberfest really and that
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: was a blind taste test. And I've never thought Sam
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: Adams is bad, but it's just such a mass produced
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: one that you'd think, like a craft brew might be
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 3: able to beat it a little bit in a blind
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: test between two guys that love beer. Sam Adams one
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: and this Chuck Too refest is at least as good
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: as sam Adams. So that's that's to me, that's a compliment.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: I really liked this one.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: Well, you've got a little bit more to go. I've
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: got less than you do because I was trying to
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: get rid of that fishy taste. Yeah, I would say
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: this is a really good Octoberfest, really good beer. I
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: thought we I had some good conversation here. I'm excited
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: to see what happens moving forward with our vikings. I
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: think there's a lot of optimism still. I don't think
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: the optimism tank is completely drained.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: It's there's every team hits adversity.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: It's come down like we were at one hundred percent
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: optimism in the first couple of weeks and now we're
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: kind of like, okay, we're like seventy five eighty percent,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: but optimism is still really high. I'm excited to see
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: what happens. It'll be really interesting to see what happens
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: with the quarterback position.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, as always, I think we set a few years ago,
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: two or three years ago, maybe our first year doing
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 3: the podcast that no, it was a second year because
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: it was a year Kirk got injured. I think we said, hey,
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 3: if the Vikings end up making the playoffs after all
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: this adversity, watch out, because that means the Vikings figured
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 3: a ton of things out and they're good, and I
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 3: think in a good way. This twenty twenty five Vikings
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 3: are kind of emulating that, hey, if they end up
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 3: making the playoffs after all of the early season adversity,
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: watch out because this team is going to be hard
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: to beat.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: Well, we accidentally like talked for ninety minutes, I know,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: so we should probably wrap this up, but really good beer.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: I thought we had great conversation. I'm excited to see
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: what the Vikings can do against the Eagles.
• 1:46:27
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• 1:46:30
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