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Mom fears worst for missing soldier & HEAR a special 4th of July song · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: you could see Trevor nichols face right now, you would
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  Speaker 1: see what I see is a beautiful smile, these big
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  Speaker 1: hazel eyes looking at you. Just it's just kind of
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  Speaker 1: one of those charismatic personalities. Have you ever known somebody
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  Speaker 1: that everybody just wants to be with, everybody wants to
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  Speaker 1: hang out with. That's the way Trevor Nichols strikes me.
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  Speaker 1: But Trevor is missing. He had spoken with his mom
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  Speaker 1: just before he goes missing. He was packing an apartment
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  Speaker 1: to move from Fort Drum, New York to Fort Riley, Kansas.
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  Speaker 1: What happened? His mom in a no man's land, like
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  Speaker 1: in a bad dream, still trying to find her son.
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  Speaker 1: I Meancy Grace. This is Crime Stories thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us, with me right now. Trevor's mother, Aaron Nichols,
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  Speaker 1: the director of the Cold Case Research Institute, Cheryl McCullum,
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  Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell, lawyer, psychologist and host of Investigation Discoveries,
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  Speaker 1: Fatal Vowel series and Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter
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  Speaker 1: Lee Egan straight out to Aaron Nichols, Ms. Nichols, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us. I want to go straight
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  Speaker 1: into the disappearance of your awesome son. Trevor. Tell me
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  Speaker 1: what he was talking about the last time you two
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  Speaker 1: spoke on the phone. He was really frustrated. He was
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  Speaker 1: packing up all his things from the apartment and everything
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  Speaker 1: that was left in the apartment was from his estranged
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  Speaker 1: wife and his infant son, Lucas was just a little
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  Speaker 1: over a year old, um, and he was telling me
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  Speaker 1: he was just having trouble getting everything put into storage
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  Speaker 1: before he could go on leave. He had like a
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  Speaker 1: two week leave before he was due to report into
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  Speaker 1: fort Riley, and he said, Mom, I just don't know
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  Speaker 1: if I'm going to be able to get this done
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  Speaker 1: and get home to see you guys before I go
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  Speaker 1: to fort Riley. And I told him, I said, I understand,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I was a little disappointed, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: hopefully you'd be able to make a quick quick stop
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  Speaker 1: on your way through to the other side of the country.
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  Speaker 1: And that was the last we talked to him. Trevor Nichols,
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  Speaker 1: brown hair, hazel eyes, a very small scar on his
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  Speaker 1: left arm is about six too close to two hundred pounds.
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  Speaker 1: Where is Trevor? His mom still looking for him? Twenty
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  Speaker 1: four years old as of the date he goes missing.
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  Speaker 1: We are joining the search for this awesome veteran. He
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  Speaker 1: had been deployed to Afghanistan and Iraq, never complaining. With
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  Speaker 1: a stranged wife and a beautiful little child. What can
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  Speaker 1: you tell me about their location? The estranged wife at
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  Speaker 1: the time Trevor goes missing, Aaron, Trevor had come home
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  Speaker 1: in late August early September to bring them back home
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  Speaker 1: here with her parents in Springfield, Ohio while he was
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  Speaker 1: at a three month assignment at West Point and Um.
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  Speaker 1: He returned home in late September, sorry late August, early
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  Speaker 1: September to take them back home, and at that time,
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  Speaker 1: Carla had said that she wanted a divorce, so Carla
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  Speaker 1: remained here in Springfield, Ohio with her parents. So at
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  Speaker 1: the date that he went missing, she and my grandson
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  Speaker 1: Lucas we're here in Springfield, Ohio with her parents. Aaron.
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  Speaker 1: Was a divorce, Was it going to be amicable or
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  Speaker 1: was the or acrimony? Was there another person? Was there
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  Speaker 1: a love triangle? What do we know? Don't know. They
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  Speaker 1: never ended up filing for divorce before Trevor disappeared, and
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  Speaker 1: Carlo would always tell me there's reasons we're not together,
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  Speaker 1: but she would never really tell me what was happening. Um, well,
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  Speaker 1: did he No, he never really did he. It was
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  Speaker 1: just it was very frustrating on my end because I
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  Speaker 1: just never really got answers from them. Well, to Cheryl McCollum,
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  Speaker 1: director of the Cold Case Research Institute, that's the first
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  Speaker 1: place you look, and nobody is a target, nobody is
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  Speaker 1: a person of interest, nobody's a suspect right now. But
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  Speaker 1: what I find very unusual is that Trevor leaves behind
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  Speaker 1: his driver's license, his U S, Military I D card,
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  Speaker 1: and his cell phone. Okay, that's not right, Cheryl. Probably
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  Speaker 1: the most alarming thing for me because somebody twenty four
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  Speaker 1: years old, their whole world is in that cell phone.
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  Speaker 1: Even if they were to have left that at home,
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  Speaker 1: they would have turned around and gone and got that. Um. So,
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  Speaker 1: if you know he was traveling somehow, whether it is
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  Speaker 1: an airplane or a train or a bus, you have
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  Speaker 1: to have some form of ideas, so that only kind
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  Speaker 1: of leaves the passport if he has one, well, that
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  Speaker 1: that tells me that he never He didn't never make
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  Speaker 1: it as far as that apartment, I would agree with you,
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  Speaker 1: no question about it. I mean, passport, smashport. This guy
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  Speaker 1: didn't leave the country. This guy is not built that way.
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  Speaker 1: He was assigned to the tenth Mountain Division, first Brigrade
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  Speaker 1: Combat Team as of that November. This guy is not
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  Speaker 1: leaving the country and leave behind a baby boy and
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  Speaker 1: and unresolved relationship. His plans were definite. Aaron, did you
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  Speaker 1: notice any issue with him moving when you spoke on
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  Speaker 1: the phone just before he disappeared, other than the fact
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  Speaker 1: that he was upset that he was being transferred to Riley,
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  Speaker 1: which it was further the opposite direction of Carla and
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  Speaker 1: the baby. He said, now I'm going to be even
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  Speaker 1: further away from my son. So you know, he was
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  Speaker 1: frustrated with the transfer. But uh yeah, but what that
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  Speaker 1: says to me to Dr Brian Russell joining me, lawyer
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  Speaker 1: and psychologist host of the wildly popular investigation discovery Fatal
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  Speaker 1: Vows series. Dr Brian, if he was upset that he
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  Speaker 1: was going to be even further away from lucas his
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  Speaker 1: baby boy, there's no way he'd leave the country, for
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  Speaker 1: Pete's sake, be even further away from the little boy. Touch.
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  Speaker 1: This was not gonna happen. So that is not the answer,
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  Speaker 1: Dr Brian. I agree, And had he left the country,
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  Speaker 1: there would likely be a record of that exit, and
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  Speaker 1: so if that's not available, then it seems to me
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  Speaker 1: that that's very unlikely. The explanation Trevor Nichols disappears he
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  Speaker 1: was taking we believe, an Amtrak train from Fort Drum,
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  Speaker 1: New York, for a few weeks before reporting to Fort Riley, Kansas.
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  Speaker 1: Now we are learning this from acquaintances. Friends say they
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  Speaker 1: told police they saw him get on the am track,
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  Speaker 1: but they won't say whether they drove him to the station. Now,
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  Speaker 1: this is what I'm learning that there seemed to be
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  Speaker 1: no records or tickets showing he ever got on that train.
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  Speaker 1: So that makes mices pisitions turned towards the story. Cheryl McCullum.
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  Speaker 1: If they did not take him to the AM track,
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  Speaker 1: then how do they see him get on the train.
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  Speaker 1: And also, why would you get on the train on
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  Speaker 1: an AM track which I've been on many many times. Um,
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  Speaker 1: If you don't take your driver's license, your military I
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  Speaker 1: D or your cell phone, why in the world would
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  Speaker 1: you do that? That doesn't seem true to me, Cheryl,
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  Speaker 1: That's what I was saying about the train. The only
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  Speaker 1: possible form of IDA he could have had to prove
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  Speaker 1: it was him to get the ticket to get on
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  Speaker 1: the train would be the passport. They have no record
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  Speaker 1: of that man getting on the train. These three friends.
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  Speaker 1: That's where I would start. If you saw that man
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  Speaker 1: get on a train, show me where you were standing.
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  Speaker 1: Let's pull up the video improve you got into side
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  Speaker 1: of AM track. I don't believe it for one minute, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: Is any of his luggage missing from the apartment? I
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  Speaker 1: have these three friends. Why did they take you? Why
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  Speaker 1: did he pick them? Were they friends or acquaintances? This
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  Speaker 1: you know? Did he normally take a train? Is there
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  Speaker 1: any record of him ever taking a train? There's something very,
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  Speaker 1: very wrong with this story. Let's go to the source.
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Nichols. This is Trevor's mom. We are on the
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  Speaker 1: search for a young man who goes missing, leaving behind
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  Speaker 1: a wife, a little baby he adores, and a veteran,
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  Speaker 1: a veteran still in the military, heading to his next gig.
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Nichols, why can you tell me? Did you think
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  Speaker 1: he was traveling by amtrak? I thought maybe he was
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  Speaker 1: headed home. Trevor has traveled by train before. Um, he
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  Speaker 1: would go down to Syracuse and catch the train and
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  Speaker 1: come home. He would come home via not Sandusky, Cleveland.
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  Speaker 1: We've gone up to Cleveland to pick him up several times.
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  Speaker 1: The am truck stops there. Um, So I thought maybe
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  Speaker 1: when Gauge, the one friend that said that that's what
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  Speaker 1: he did. When he called me and said that Trevor
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  Speaker 1: got on the train, I thought, okay, fine, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to beginning. That was Friday night, November. I thought I
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  Speaker 1: was up all night that night thinking, Okay, Trevor is
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  Speaker 1: going to get into the train station at four o'clock
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  Speaker 1: in the morning, and he's going to be calling me
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  Speaker 1: to come get him in Cleveland. Never happened till let
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  Speaker 1: me understand. Let me understand something. You mean that day
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  Speaker 1: you were told before he was ever reported missing that
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  Speaker 1: he was on a train. Gauge called and told you that.
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  Speaker 1: Gauge told me on the Wednesday morning, November. Gauge is
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  Speaker 1: the one that contacted me and said, have you talked
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  Speaker 1: to Trevor today? And I said no, I just talked
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  Speaker 1: to him yesterday and he was telling me he was
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  Speaker 1: packing the apartment, and Gauge said, yes, I was the
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  Speaker 1: one helping. Um. I went back this morning to help
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  Speaker 1: him clean up before inspection and he was gone. That
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  Speaker 1: was November fift Well, if he was gone, then how
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  Speaker 1: is that consistent with Gauge telling and he put him
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  Speaker 1: on the train because two days later, Carla, the wife,
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  Speaker 1: let me know that they had had activity on Trevor's
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  Speaker 1: debit card. So at that point I was still talking
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  Speaker 1: with Gauge like every couple hours, and Gage said, well,
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  Speaker 1: where was his card used? And he and a couple
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  Speaker 1: of the buddies from base went to go find Trevor.
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  Speaker 1: That's when he called me and said that he had
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  Speaker 1: gotten on the train. That was Friday night, November. Let's
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  Speaker 1: go back through the timeline. Trevor is getting transferred with
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  Speaker 1: the military. He doesn't want to go because it takes
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  Speaker 1: him too far away from his son Lucas he's getting
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  Speaker 1: ready to go anyway. He's never been a wall ever.
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  Speaker 1: He's done tours in Afghanistan any rock. He is talking
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  Speaker 1: to you on the phone on what day is the
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  Speaker 1: last day you spoke to him? November? What he speaks
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  Speaker 1: to you? What morning? Noon, and night? It was in
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  Speaker 1: the evening, it was in the late afternoon, okay, afternoon.
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  Speaker 1: What's the next thing that happened after November fourteen conversation
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  Speaker 1: with Trevor In the afternoon. It was early November Wednesday morning,
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  Speaker 1: I got a Facebook messenger message from gauge Gage Gonzales
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  Speaker 1: and he said, I'm one of Trevor's army buddies. Have
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  Speaker 1: you talked to him today? And that's when he told
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  Speaker 1: me that they went back to the apartment to help
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  Speaker 1: him clean and Trevor was not There was this over
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  Speaker 1: Facebook or over the phone messenger at that point, So
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  Speaker 1: that does not make sense to me. That first he says,
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  Speaker 1: have you talked to Trevor? Why would he be contacting
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  Speaker 1: the mother? Okay? Then he says, I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: day yet we went back and he's gone. Is that
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  Speaker 1: that was? That was still the Wednesday morning with he
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  Speaker 1: told me they went back to the apartment to help
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  Speaker 1: Trevor clean and he was not there. So when he's
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  Speaker 1: first contacting you about where is Trevor is because they've
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  Speaker 1: been to the apartment he's not there. Oh Okay, that
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  Speaker 1: makes sense because the way I was hearing it, they
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  Speaker 1: called you and said where is Trevor? Have you talked
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  Speaker 1: to him? Then they went back to the apartment. That's
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  Speaker 1: the first story I'm getting. So let me be clear.
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  Speaker 1: They contact you when they go to the apart and
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  Speaker 1: they don't see him, Is that correct? Okay, that's November.
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  Speaker 1: What time of the day early morning? Early morning, early morning,
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  Speaker 1: a m. They can't find Trevor. Had you ever spoken
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  Speaker 1: to Gauge Gonzalez before? How did he notified you? Probably
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  Speaker 1: Trevor's Facebook page had been listed as his mom. He
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  Speaker 1: is friends with Trevor on Facebook. Okay, so that's how
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  Speaker 1: he reached you on Facebook. What's the next thing that happened, Aaron?
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  Speaker 1: When does Gauge then tell you he put him on
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  Speaker 1: the train Friday night November? Okay? So between November and
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  Speaker 1: November seventeen, did you hear from Gates saying, oh, I
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  Speaker 1: found him. No, Gauge did not find him until Trevor's wife,
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  Speaker 1: Carla let me know that there was activity on his
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  Speaker 1: debit card. Told me where that was? I told Gauge.
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  Speaker 1: Then Engage went to go look for Trevor. Where was
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  Speaker 1: the debit card activity? Pulaski, New York? Where is that
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  Speaker 1: in relation to his home? I'm not sure how many miles,
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  Speaker 1: but it's not too far from base. And where was it?
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  Speaker 1: A restaurant, a bar, a gas station? Where was it?
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  Speaker 1: I honestly don't know. Nobody ever told me where it
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  Speaker 1: was actually used. Have you talked to cops? The military
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  Speaker 1: police won't tell me anything. I haven't asked them many times.
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  Speaker 1: Did you pull a t M footage? Where was the
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  Speaker 1: card used? Have you checked it again? Have you pulled
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  Speaker 1: it a minute? Want to show up where it was used?
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  Speaker 1: A t M card used? Where it should say on
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  Speaker 1: his statement? But I don't have I don't have access
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  Speaker 1: to his record, does his wife? I don't know. That
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  Speaker 1: would be a good thing to find out. Would you
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  Speaker 1: agree with that? Sheryl McCollum, Absolutely, Nancy, And the wife
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  Speaker 1: is the one that told everybody the debit card was used,
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  Speaker 1: so if she knew there was activity, and she knew
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  Speaker 1: where it was used. She had that information. Did you
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  Speaker 1: ever ask the wife Aaron? Carla won't hardly talk to me.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, right now she she and I are a
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  Speaker 1: very source fife bad Blood. Dr Brian Russell, a lawyer
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  Speaker 1: psychologist hosts of I D S Fatal, vows there's a
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  Speaker 1: problem right there. Everybody's got to pull together to try
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  Speaker 1: to find Trevor instead of the bad blood. I mean
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  Speaker 1: at a time like this, this is the time for
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  Speaker 1: unreturned phone calls and nasty text Uh. Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: It's always interesting to me, uh, you know, in a
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  Speaker 1: in a suspiciously curious way, when everybody who is even
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  Speaker 1: if there's bad uh, even if there's a bad spot
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  Speaker 1: in a marriage, everybody who is close to somebody such
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  Speaker 1: that you would believe that they would have the person's
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  Speaker 1: best interests at heart if the person goes missing, Um,
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  Speaker 1: even if for no other reason than you know, this
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  Speaker 1: is the co parent of your child, You would think
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  Speaker 1: that everybody would sort of be coming together throwing any
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  Speaker 1: information that they had into the mix. And when somebody
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  Speaker 1: is not appearing to do that, it just makes me
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  Speaker 1: wonder why not I'm wondering the same thing, Aaron Nichols.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I know you may not get along with
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  Speaker 1: the daughter in law for a lot of reasons. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they're on the brink of divorce, the grandchild is in
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  Speaker 1: the mix, there's a lot of emotions. But it would
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  Speaker 1: seem that everybody could get on one page to try
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  Speaker 1: to find Trevor. What is the daughter in law saying
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  Speaker 1: at all about this? She won't even talk to me
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  Speaker 1: at this point. I did get a message from her
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  Speaker 1: mother the other day that I'm no longer welcome over
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  Speaker 1: at their home to see the grand baby because I'm
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  Speaker 1: the liar. She said that I interfered with Carla planning
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  Speaker 1: the missing person work because he filed it at a
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  Speaker 1: different police station. Y'all need to get past that. If
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  Speaker 1: she's listening right, you never filed it. She never filed it. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you may have had the wrong jurisdiction, and I'm not
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  Speaker 1: even saying you did, but at least you filed a
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  Speaker 1: police report. So some something's not sitting right with me.
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  Speaker 1: I can tell you that right now. Let me get
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  Speaker 1: back to the timeline. So November fifteen, you speak to
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  Speaker 1: the friend Gauge Gonzales, he can't find your son to
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  Speaker 1: help him pack. Interesting to me that you guys don't
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  Speaker 1: speak again ntil November seventeen. No, we we did speak.
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  Speaker 1: So we we spoke to each other every couple of
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  Speaker 1: hours over the next two days. Okay, that's when I've
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  Speaker 1: written down something completely different. So November fifteen, in November seventeen.
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  Speaker 1: After November fifteen, when he tells you, ask you where
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  Speaker 1: is Trevor? When is the next time you hear from him?
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  Speaker 1: Like I just said, we spoke every couple hours, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like every probably six hours at least. We'd go by
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  Speaker 1: and he'd say any updates, and we'd be back and forth.
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  Speaker 1: Any updates? Have you heard anything? Have you heard from him?
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  Speaker 1: You know, so both of us were back and forth
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  Speaker 1: seeing if there was any news. When did he tell you, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I found Trevor after Carla let me know there was
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  Speaker 1: activity on the debit cards. I had contacted him to
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  Speaker 1: let him know where He said, Okay, I'm getting with
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  Speaker 1: a couple of the guys from base. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: go look for him. Then he called me just like
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  Speaker 1: two hours later and said that they found Trevor, but
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  Speaker 1: he didn't want to go back to base. He didn't
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't even get on the phone to talk to me,
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  Speaker 1: and that he got on the train to leave New York. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: right there, that that's the problem. What day is this
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  Speaker 1: November November seventeen, about ten o'clock at night? That that's
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't sound true to me. Dr Brian Russell. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just a trial lawyer. You're the lawyer and a
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  Speaker 1: psychologist and host of I D S. Fatal vows something
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  Speaker 1: something's wrong right there to say he doesn't want to
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  Speaker 1: go back, he wants to leave his driver's license in
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  Speaker 1: his iPhone at his apartment, and he puts him on
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  Speaker 1: a plane, I'm on a train and he won't speak
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  Speaker 1: to his mother. That that's not right right there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: these guys have got to be interviewed. It does sound
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  Speaker 1: to me like perhaps they I'm you know, looking at this,
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  Speaker 1: uh in the light most favorable to these these three
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  Speaker 1: fellow soldiers. It sounds like perhaps they did believe that
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  Speaker 1: he was going a wall and they don't want to
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  Speaker 1: be accused of having aided in a bet at bet
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  Speaker 1: so when asked, uh, do you know what happened to him?
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: They yes, he got on the train. Did you take
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: him there? They don't want to answer that question because
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: maybe they did take him there thinking they were doing
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: the right thing ultimately for his mental health and everything,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: getting him on a train to go back to his
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: family if they felt he was in some kind of
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: fragile mental state. But then they don't want their superiors
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: coming down on him for then having aid and abetted
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: him going a wall, if in fact that's what they
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: believed he was doing. But they've got to be interviewed
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: to see, you know, what in the world did they
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: think he was getting on the train for and what
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: kind of mental state did he seem to be in,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: because it's certainly, I agree, is very unusual that he
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: would have left those things behind, even if he was
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: distraught and kind of, you know, unwrattling mentally over what
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: all was happening with his marriage and moving across the
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: country with the redeployment and all that, Cheryl McCollum. I
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: hear Dr Brian Russell, and he just gave me what
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: I would if this was my case, this is what
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I would do. Those three friends would be in three
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: separate patrol cars individually. They would drive Where did you
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: drop him? Off. Do they go to the same exact
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: location or not? Where were you standing when they got
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: him on the train? Everybody that can hear me right now,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: y'all know gooden well, when men take somebody to a
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: train station or the airport or anywhere, they pull up
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: the curb, dropped their buddy off, dudes to see you
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: and they leave. They don't get out and walk up
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: to the plane platform and walk them get on the train.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: That never happens, never, I agree. When guys drop off
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: our buddies at the airport or the train station, we
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: pull up out front, the buddy gets out, and that's
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: generally the end of it. So that's weird if they
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: say they waited there and actually watched him board the train.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: If they did do that, it leads me to think
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: that that they thought he was in some kind of
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: fragile state of mind and that they were doing the
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: right thing putting him on a train to head home. Now,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: they may be worried about looking like they aided and
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: abetted somebody going a wall, so they're being kg about
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: exactly what they did. It sounds to me like the
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: military as an organization believes that he did go a wall.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: And I think it's important to keep in mind that.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: You know, let's say he did have some kind of
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: a middle breakdown and he decided that he was going
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: to go home to mom, and and the friends found
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: him in some kind of fragile state and thought that
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: they were doing the best thing for him, helping him
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: do that. Uh, it could have gone down that way,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: and then along the way he could have become the
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: victim of something completely unrelated. In other words, what I'm
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: saying is, there could have been technically a desertion under
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: some kind of very difficult mental circumstance that he was under,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: followed by some completely unrelated crime of which he became
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: the victim, either before getting on the train or after.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Here's the reality. You have to have an I D.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: So either he did not board that train or he
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: did so with a fake ID. So they need to
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: go back to that manifest. Was it one of the
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: three names of one of the three people the dropped
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: him all? Was it another idea that he stold, you
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: have to have an ID to get on amtrack? Cheryl.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: If you will recall when I tried cases, I wouldn't
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: speak to anybody, I wouldn't do anything during a trial
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: at all, because I did not want to be involved
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: in any other thought process beside trying the case. And
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: what I just did was project I projected what I
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: would do onto this scenario. That is an emotion that's
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: wrong when you're trying to figure something out. See, I
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: was thinking, I'm upset, I'm gonna have to You think
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: I would be h e double l would freeze over
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: before I would leave the twins. Okay, not happening. So
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I was thinking, if I was so upset about transferring
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: away from the twins, God help me, why would I
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: leave the twins and never see them again? So I
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: was thinking I was projecting my own feelings onto this
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum mistake number one, tactical error number one. But
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: that doesn't seem right to me that he would go
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: a wall and leave behind his son. If he's so
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: upset he's got to move away from his son. Cheryl,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: am I crazy? No, you're not crazy. That's two steps
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: away from shanity. So here in my issues, where is
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: his cell phone? And who's gone through that phone? Because
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the morning those gentlemen went back to the apartment is
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: supposedly help him and couldn't find him. They should have
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: started calling him, leaving messages for him long before they
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: contacted mama on Facebook messenger. Why would they contact mama
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: and not the wife. Why would they not go to
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: their commanding officer? Why would they not go to MP
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: It seems like they're contacting the wrong person. She's too
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: far away. And here's another reality. You got a child missing.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I don't care if the child has grown and in
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: the army, he's twenty four, He's still your child. I
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: don't care if the police departments are seven miles away
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: or not file a report everywhere you came to let
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: people know he's missing. The world should stop. So Tremont
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: and Springfield, Who gives the damn? Who filed the report? Where?
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: File one everywhere? Okay? That leads me to this. Aaron Nichols,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: this is Trevor's mother. You didn't think it was weird
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't get on the phone with you? Yes? I did. Yes,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I thought that was very strange because Trevor and I
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: have always been oaths. And as soon as he went missing,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I was calling New York and tried to file a
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: missing person report and they told me it was a
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: military matter and wouldn't file it in New York. Okay,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: See that's just wrong. That is just wrong right there.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: So Aaron, let me understand this. The friends call you
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: November seven, they say November seventeen, they say they put
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: him on a train and trying to wear And that's
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: where the story gets confusing. To the story is already confusing,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: but where do you think he was going? It gets
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: it gets very confusing after that, because his CEO called
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: me and said, well, apparently he got on a train
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: headed west. So that's when I thought he was headed
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: to Cleveland and I would be getting the call to
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: pick him up. When I talked to the detective and
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I can't think of what county. Watertown is
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: in Watertown, New York is right outside of the base.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: That is the detective that I talked to. He told
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: me that the guys told him that Trevor got on
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: the train for New York City. You know, um, am
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: I wrong? Lee Egan with me, investigative reporter with Crime
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: online dot Com. But Amtrak, Greyhound, the airports, they're all
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: dripping with surveillance video. What do we know about surveillance
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: video of the am track? Lee well, at this time
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: nothing because the military police are not allowing anyone to
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: know anything. And Aaron got a private investigator to check
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: things out, and even she can't get into the surveillance
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: video because she would need to have permission from the
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: military police. But do we know if there is surveillance
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: video at the AM track? There is to be want
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: video at amtrack, but we do not know. We do
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: not have it for him, Darin, do you know if
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: they got the surveillance video? The MPs won't even talk
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: to me. They won't even talk to me. I've called them,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know how many times, and I said, did
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: you pull the video? Did you? Did you have proof
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: that he got on that train alive? And we will
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: We can't tell you anything over the phone, I said,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I'm in Ohio, this is my son. Would they tell
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: you in person? Well, surely they have military police every
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: But I don't have the money to go to New York.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: I don't understand, you know, I don't understand. Have you
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: thought of driving or taking an amtrack to New York?
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I thought of it. That other than
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: talking to the military police in person, I wouldn't even
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: know where to start Okay, question to you, are they
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: saying they won't speak to you over the phone and
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: they would speak to you in person? Not clarified? Have
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: you asked them if they would speak to you in person?
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Because I'm hearing over and over they said they would
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: not speak to you over the phone. Did you ask
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: if they would speak to you in person? God, honest,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I can't remember. I don't know. Let me think this through.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: To Lea Egan, Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter, what
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: more do we know? Like, so we know the t
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: I did? She was able to check the train tickets.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: There's no record of him getting on the train at all.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Do you have to show ID to get a train ticket?
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: You do? You do? Now? So to get that ticket,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: he would have had to show I D. Cheryl McCollum,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Cold Case Research Institute Director, If you have to show
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: I D, then the ticket is made out in your name?
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Is it not? Absolutely? And that's what I was saying earlier.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: The only form of I D then he did not
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: leave behind would have been a passport, Nancy. He's now
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: listed as a deserter. Any time he would use that
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: idea for travel, it would be flagged and they would
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: know his whereabout. That hasn't happened. So what does this
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: mean to you, Cheryl? He didn't get on that train
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: and something between the evening of the fourteen in the
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: day of the fifteen. Because nobody has legitimately heard from
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: him since the fourteen his card was used, that doesn't
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: mean it's him. Somebody says we saw him and took
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: him to the train, that doesn't mean that happen. The
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: last time we know somebody that loved him and related
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: to him a spoke to him was on the fourteenth,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: the evening of the fourteenth. We don't even know if
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: he's along. Do you believe Aaron Nichols there has been
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: any attempt on his part to see his son Lucas.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: In fact, the her family thinks I'm hiding him. They
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: won't let me see the baby because they think that
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I'm going to take the baby to him. What I
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: find interesting is on that day, November fourteen, he was
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: trying to move his estranged wife's belongings to storage. He
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: leaves behind his iPhone, his driver's license, and his military
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I D. I do not believe this man is a deserter.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Wherein lies the truth? Where is Trevor Nichols. If you
• 33:25
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• 33:33
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• 33:38
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• 35:25
  Speaker 1: notice you would have died for me. I'd like to
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  Speaker 1: pay my respect, so I'm speaking not I know it
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: seems sometimes people will forget the fact we are forever
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: embraced in your death. But I'm here to tell you
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: that you're what this country. You are hearing Barry Michael
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: and he's singing, and he is singing Heroes and Angels
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: that he wrote for veterans. Joining me right now is
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Barry Michael. Barry. It is so great to have you
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: in a moment. I'm gonna play your brand News single.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I stand with me. Ashley Wilcott who comes from a
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: military family, Vincent Hill who comes from a military family,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Alan Duke who comes from a military family. Jackie Howard
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: here in the studio that comes from a military family,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: and of course myself. My dad, who was offered a
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: basketball scholarship dirt poor by the way full ride to college.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: He turns it down, lies about his age to get
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: into the military, and is immediately shipped around the world,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: away from everything he knows in little Oglethorpe, Georgia, to
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: the other side of the world to fight for his country.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: My husband's dad, Chuck went also shipped around the world
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: to fight for his country, and today we honor our
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: country and our military. Barry, tell me what led you
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: to perform to write I Stand Well. That song came
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: out of watching some NFL games and seeing people kneeling
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: for the national anthem and just wanting to wanting to
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: express what I stand for and why and I stand
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: for people. I don't really understand how, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: could take the flag and and not be one as
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  Speaker 1: a country and see that it represents our great free
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  Speaker 1: country that's flawed just like every other country. But I
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  Speaker 1: do believe that that's one thing that we could all
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: that we all should be able to agree on. I
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  Speaker 1: agree with you, Barry Michael, and I can't wait to
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: play I stand for our listeners. It's incredible, you know,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: to Ashley Willcott. You come from a military family, as
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: do Jackie, Alan and myself, Uh Ashley, as a female
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: practicing law, I can't tell you how much even to
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: this day, um, women put up with in the workplace,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: the discrimination, the sex advances, and we're hearing more and
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: more about it every day. I'll tell you one thing,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: right or wrong. I'm not going to take it out
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: in our country at all, absolutely, Nancy. And one of
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: the things I do with my three kids, all of
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: whom you know, is we think those who served in
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: the military for their service whenever we see them, whether
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: it's a veteran that might be on the side of
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: the road or whether it's somebody that's in uniform, and
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: we know they're currently serving. Because it's so important for
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: me to teach them listen, it is our country, stand
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: up for it and think those that serve and keep
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: our freedoms. Alan, you know, it was only recently that
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: I learned your that. Okay, you told me you jumped
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: out of a plane, and I made a joke like,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: so what were you under what were you under the
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: influence of? And I found out tell us, well, I
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: was in the U. S. Army for several years. I
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: actually volunteered. The draft had just ended, I was getting
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: out of high school, UM and I joined and I
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: wanted to go to Airborne school because of a song Barry.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: You remember the song Barry Saddler Ballad of the Green Beret.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: O my stores. I love that song. Listen when I
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: was probably that came out when I was probably eleven
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: years old. I liked that song so much put Silver
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Wings on my son's chest that when I turned eighteen,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: I had to join the military. And I eventually did
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: qualify and make my way to Fort Benning, Georgia to
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: jump school, and I now have my silver Wings. And
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: it was a song that inspired me. So these songs
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: are really important. I'm very impressed. I remember watching that
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: guy perform Green Beret on TV and everything just went
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: silent as he sang that. Also with me. Vincent Hill,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: also from the military, tell us Vincent Nancy. I grew
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: up military. My dad did thirty years. I was born
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: in Germany. We moved every three years across this great country.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: And what's great about it, I got to learn all
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: aspects of people, and it was only fitting that I
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: joined the military. I did eight years as a counterintel guy.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you, the only time I kneel
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Nancy is when I'm praying to my Lord and Savior
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Other than that, I stand for this flag
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: and I stand for this country. You know, I really
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: think that so often we don't realize how blessed and
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: lucky we are to live in this country, and we
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: are standing on the backs of so many need people,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: men and women that have given their all. You know,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: the other night, Ashley, the children on summer break and
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: they're all up into watching TV and their iPads. Okay,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: so I have to take their iPads away and hide them.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: And anyway, I was trying to find a good thing
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: for them to watch on TV. And I started watching
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Sons of Liberty and it actually got so violent that
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: I turned it off. I liked it, but I didn't
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: know if the children should see it. And I got
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: to thinking all the way back to when our country
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: was found. We we have been fighting, and it's been
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: violent and difficult, and people lost their lives to fight
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: for our country, to secure our country from the get go,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: for the very beginning, and that goes on right now, Ashley. Absolutely,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: and it's the only reason, and people, I think tend
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: to forget. It's the only reason that people can say
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: what they want to say, have freedom of speech, be
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: from search and seizure, all the constitutional protections, Those wars,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: those battles, those violent, violent circumstances are the only reason
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: we have all those protections. Okay, Alan, you're creeping me
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: out a little bit, because Jackie here in the studio,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: we're laughing our heads off. We're looking at pictures of you.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: No ponytail, no mustache, You're looking at face totally clean cut.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I I thought I loved your
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  Speaker 1: I mean, wow. All right, So, Vincent, what Branch tell
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  Speaker 1: me about your service? So, Nancy, I was in the
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  Speaker 1: army and listened in. So I'm dating myself a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: UH entered at Fort Jackson, South Carolina, where most people entered.
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  Speaker 1: I went to counter intelligence school, and I went to
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  Speaker 1: Fort Drum, New York, the Tenth Mountain Division, and did
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  Speaker 1: a lot of deployments there. I went places people don't
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  Speaker 1: even know exists. But that's part of the mission to
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  Speaker 1: protect the freedoms of this country. But I love every
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  Speaker 1: minute of it. And I'm so proud that my son
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  Speaker 1: Jackie Howard in the studio waving her arms. Your dad
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  Speaker 1: was in the Korean War. Well, you know what, um.
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  Speaker 1: The photo I have out of my dad, which are
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  Speaker 1: so many of them, one of is of him without
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  Speaker 1: a shirt on, somewhere overseas with his fatigues on in
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  Speaker 1: the military. He's standing under. Uh. You know it had
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  Speaker 1: to be hot, like a tin roofed warehouse somewhere working away,
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  Speaker 1: you know. Um, I just think of that so often
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  Speaker 1: every time I walked by it. Right now with me
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  Speaker 1: special guest Barry Michael, who has just recorded an awesome
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  Speaker 1: new song that really supports our military. And what better
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  Speaker 1: day to hear it than July the four, Mary, It's
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  Speaker 1: such a pleasure to have you on. Let's take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to I stand. I stand for the wares can't
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  Speaker 1: all in Calgary. That's why I stand. I will lay
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  Speaker 1: because I respect the ones who sacrificed and talking to
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  Speaker 1: What an awesome gift to the country on July the four. Barry,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Oh, it's my pleasure. Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. Everybody listening now,
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  Speaker 1: Happy July the fourth, and as we celebrate, let's remember
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  Speaker 1: Trooper Stephen Vincent serving the Louisiana Police thirteen years late,
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  Speaker 1: wife Catherine son Ethan, father James Howard, mother Mildred Marie,
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  Speaker 1: Trooper Stephen Vincent, American hero Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.
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