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Hair & Makeup For the Competition Stage · Making The Impact - A Dance Competition Podcast

• 0:07
  SPEAKER_02: Have you ever wondered what goes on behind the table at a dance competition?
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly what are the judges looking for anyway?
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_02: This is Making the Impact, a dance competition podcast.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_02: Each week we'll cover a different topic related to the world of competitive dance from the perspective of the judges behind the table.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_02: Hair and makeup are a big part of presentation for competitive dance.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_02: And even though they might seem like small details, the wrong hairstyle or a poor makeup choice can have a big effect on stage.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: Here with us today on Making the Impact are Caroline Diamond, professional dancer and makeup artist, and Lynn McNellett, dance mom and founder of Phase 4 Hair, to cat all things hair and makeup.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_04: Hey y'all, welcome to this week's episode of Making the Impact.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_04: I'm your host, Courtney Ortiz, and I'm here with my co-host, Leslie Mueller.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_04: What's up, Courtney?
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_04: Not too much.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_04: What's up with you?
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no, nothing.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_02: Just uh reliving our episode with Regold where we just fangirled the whole time and learned so much.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_04: Seriously, learned so much.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely obsessed with him.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_04: What a way to kick off season four, like the perfect guest and literally a legend.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_02: A legend.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_02: If you guys haven't listened yet, you have to go back and listen.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's Regold.
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  SPEAKER_02: It really should just be enough said, but if it's not, go back and listen because there's a wealth of information to be learned from this amazing man.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_04: And like we, like you all were introduced to last week on the first episode of season four, we have reintroduced our spotlight featured episodes.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_04: So this season on on Making the Impact, we're doing spotlight features that will feature an influential person in the industry, maybe an industry leader, maybe a dance company or a dance business that we want to hear from that we feel are making an impact.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_04: And then we are also still doing our fabulous studio, Spotlight Features, which were such a huge hit last year.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_04: And we're gonna have even more studios come and chat and tell us the ins and outs of how their studio works and their success.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_04: So we're really excited to have all these spotlight features for season four.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_04: And something else that we're introducing in season four that you maybe haven't heard us talk about yet is something that we've been talking about for a while and we're finally making it happen.
• 2:21
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• 2:26
  SPEAKER_04: Ooh, what's that?
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_04: I know.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_04: What is that?
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_04: Well, if you've loved our QA with Courtney episodes throughout the seasons, we're actually gonna take those over to the membership side.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_04: And what that means is that you're going to get exclusive access to our QA episodes and they're going to be happening on a monthly basis.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_04: So before they used to kind of only happen four times a season.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_04: Now, every single month, we're gonna sit down and we're gonna answer all of your questions.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_04: And this is only going to be exclusive to our Platinum Premium membership subscribers.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_04: So by joining our Platinum Premium membership, it's a monthly subscription.
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  SPEAKER_04: And those episodes will also feature some special guests here and there.
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  SPEAKER_04: All of our members will also get first dibs on questions to be answered during the QA lives.
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  SPEAKER_04: So we will always put priority on your questions as a supporter and subscriber.
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• 3:39
  SPEAKER_04: And we are going to have some really fun special shout-outs for all of our listeners live on the air.
• 3:46
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• 4:09
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• 4:12
  SPEAKER_04: And you can think it's less than a frappuccino, Courtney.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, really?
• 4:15
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• 4:17
  SPEAKER_04: You know, inflation.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_04: Mm-hmm.
• 4:20
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• 4:22
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• 4:24
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  SPEAKER_04: And you will be receiving so much helpful knowledge over here on the pod, like you always do.
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• 4:45
  SPEAKER_04: And we are so grateful for all of you who have continued to support us from season one.
• 4:50
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• 5:02
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• 5:15
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• 5:19
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• 6:15
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• 6:18
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• 6:28
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• 6:32
  SPEAKER_04: And before we officially jump into this episode, I have some Making the Impact Award winners to share with you all.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_04: So over the summer, we had a few award winners at some of our IDA affiliated nationals events.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_04: And last season we launched our Making the Impact Judges Choice Awards, where our judges that are out at competitions are able to select one dance out of the entire weekend that they felt made an impact that they are still thinking about by the end of the event.
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  SPEAKER_04: And it's such an honor to receive this award.
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  SPEAKER_04: Everyone has loved it.
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  SPEAKER_04: Everyone receives a great a beautiful Making the Impact plaque that you can hang up at your studio or hang up in your room if you're a winning soloist.
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  SPEAKER_04: And one of the other perks is that you get a shout-out live on the air.
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  SPEAKER_04: So I'm excited to announce a few of our recent Making the Impact Award winners from Nationals.
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  SPEAKER_04: First up from Epic Dance Showcases Nationals event in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_04: Congrats to Come Together, a large group from Artistic Dance Unlimited in Alcoa, Tennessee.
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  SPEAKER_04: And from Diva Dance Competitions Nationals in Cambridge, Maryland.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_04: This award went to Fight, Flights, and Freeze from Revolution Dance Company at Leap of Faith in New Bedford, Massachusetts.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_04: Congrats to all of our winners.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_04: Can't wait to see who wins the Making the Impact Award this season.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_04: All right, everybody, it's time to jump into this week's episode, and we're talking all about hair and makeup for the competitive stage.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_04: We've been dying to do this episode, and I can't wait to introduce you to two brand new guests who are joining us on the podcast.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_04: First up is someone who I've known for practically my entire life because she grew up at the same dance studio as me.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_04: She was one of the littles when I was maybe a teen.
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  SPEAKER_04: She's a little one.
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  SPEAKER_04: And this girl is one of the funniest people I know, number one.
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  SPEAKER_04: Second, she is absolutely fierce.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_04: She's gonna tell you all about her.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_04: I can't wait to have Miss Caroline Diamond on the podcast.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_04: Welcome, Caroline.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_07: Woo! I'm so happy to be here.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_07: Courtney, you were like, before we get into this podcast, yes, we did grow up together.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_07: And Courtney was always like the best one.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_07: That you know, we we'd always like see that like the older kids who were like, oh my god, we want to be just like the older kids.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_07: And I always wanted to be Courtney because she was so she was always a performer, and I emulated that.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_07: So uh Courtney, thank you for making me who I am.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_07: Oh my gosh, you are too sweet.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_04: That's really cool.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_04: That is so sweet.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_04: It's true, it's true.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_04: Well, Caroline, we're pumped to have you here, and I want you to share a little bit more about you, where you grew up, and any career credits and what you're working on now.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_04: But also, we are having you here because you also do makeup on the side.
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  SPEAKER_04: So you're gonna be uh bringing us the makeup side of this discussion.
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  SPEAKER_04: And I can't wait to hear all of the tips and tricks you have to share to all of our listeners.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_04: But tell everybody a little bit more about Caroline.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_07: About me.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_07: Okay.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_07: Um, so I grew up in Maryland with Courtney, uh dancing my entire life since I was two against my will.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_07: And then comp kid, comp kid down, did all of that, ballet girl as well.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_07: You would never guess it, but she was.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_07: And then I furthered my education.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_07: I went to Point Park University and I studied jazz dance there.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_07: Knew that the student loans were not for me.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_07: So I graduated a year early, got out of there, and I moved to LA on my 21st birthday.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_07: And then since then, I've been pursuing dance professionally.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_07: I've worked with Lady Gaga.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_07: My first professional dance job was the Super Bowl halftime show.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_07: What?
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_07: Let me say that one more time.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_07: My first professional dance job.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_07: Because kids, this this ain't this ain't normal, but you know, I'm not also not normal either.
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  SPEAKER_07: So I did the Super Bowl halftime show with her.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_07: I toured with her.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_07: Recently, I've been working with Charlie XTX on the opposite side of thing.
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  SPEAKER_07: I've been assistant choreographing for her, which has been amazing.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_07: I'm currently uh working on a TV show called The L word, and we're doing some dancing there.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_07: And then how I got into makeup.
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  SPEAKER_07: So after after I went on tour, I became well on while I was on tour, I became really good friends with a makeup artist, and she was giving me all the tips and tricks, and I was really into it.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_07: And then at the end of tour, she gave me like a bunch of makeup.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_07: And I feel like with makeup, it's just that a lot of people would be more into it if they would have more resources to it.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_07: And so I was just uh dipping and playing and all these fun things.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_07: And then during the pandemic, because there was no like industry stuff that was happening, I was playing and I was playing all my friends, and my roommate also takes pictures.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_07: So we were doing a lot of uh creative editorial makeup, and it was just really awesome for me to like experience something else that wasn't dance, and it was still so passionate and artistic.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_07: And since then I've done like a lot of different things, like I've done a few music videos where I've done makeup, and it's just been like such an amazing experience.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_07: It's so new, and I love every part of it.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_04: Caroline, we're so excited to have you here.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you so much for joining us on the pod.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_04: Thanks for having me.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_04: And our next very special guest is a brand new guest to our podcast.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_04: And fun fact, she is actually the owner of our sponsor of this week's episode, Fave Four, which is a hair care line that we just told you all about in the sponsors.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_04: And she is also a dance mom.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_04: So we're gonna have the dance mom perspective joining us on the podcast.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_04: I'm excited to welcome Lynn McNellis to the pod.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_04: Welcome, Lynn.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: Hello, hello, thank you so much.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_00: This is this is gonna be fun.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I have been a dancer my entire life.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um again, started when I was two, just like you, as soon as I could walk and um grew up in competitions, so competitive dance, and you know, we would do all the big competitions.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: And then when I went off to college, I continued dance um on my college dance team and I even danced for Disney for a hot minute in there.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I when I graduated college, I really wanted to continue my dance career, but um my parents chose otherwise.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: So I moved, um, I moved and and started working and really fell in love with the beauty industry.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I started working in professional beauty, and because you know, I would be in development and and I loved hair, obviously, like as a girl and especially growing up in in competitions and anything glamorous, I was obsessed with the hair care market as well.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: So I learned development and really, you know, branding.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I have developed many products that are on the shelf today, probably some that you use throughout my career, probably over a thousand, if I had to say, both hair and makeup and skincare and hair tools and all that good stuff.
• 13:13
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  SPEAKER_00: I had three little girls.
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• 13:22
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  SPEAKER_00: It has to work.
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  SPEAKER_00: It has to be, it has to make you happy, it has to make your hair happy, it has to work.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: So it was really cool for me to be able to combine my love for dance and and my career.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, throughout my career, I've I've been able to judge for so many different things.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_00: I've judged for the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders in the past.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: I've judged many dance teams, semi-pro teams here in Dallas, one I did this past weekend.
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  SPEAKER_04: All right, y'all.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_04: Let's jump on in and talk about hair and makeup.
• 15:02
  unknown: Woo!
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_02: Jump in.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_02: Well, so we're so lucky to have two dancers with us today and the two different perspectives that I I want to just start really simply and sort of by asking, I want to start with Caroline asking, what's really the difference between stage makeup and street makeup?
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_02: Because I think when when just general humans think of makeup, they think of one thing.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_02: They think of the way they either learned how to do makeup or were taught how to do makeup.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_02: But there's different kinds of makeup for different scenarios.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_02: And here we're talking about stage makeup.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_02: So what are really the differences that you see um between stage makeup and your everyday makeup?
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_07: There's there's a lot.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_07: So especially with now with like, you know, the TikTok trends, there's always a new makeup trend.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_07: It's a trend.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_07: And the new one now is like the clean girl face, which is like, you know, a skin tint, a little concealer, not much, like a fluffy brow, which works in the everyday.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_07: I love the look, it's great.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_07: We need full coverage on the stage, we need full coverage foundation, we need a contour, you need to set your face or else you're going to melt.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_07: And a strong brow because it needs to frame your face because you're so far away from people.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_07: And it has to work with lighting, which I know we'll get into lighting and how the changes that works, but it's super important and it's very different.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_02: So would you say would you say that there's any if your child is four, does she need no makeup on stage?
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_07: Well, my glamour child, my future glamour child, she'll have like a little little blush, but I don't think that little kids should wear a lot of makeup.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_07: I feel like maybe like eight years old is when, okay, maybe we should start putting a little bit of a lash on, a lipstick, more blush.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_07: But I don't think that like pressuring children into like making sure we look like toddlers and tiaras.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_07: No, I don't think that like that that's not really the ammo.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_07: But I think maybe like a rhinestone on the little outside, whatever makes like a little little kid feel their best, sure.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_07: But I don't think like slapping a full face on a four-year-old is necessary at all.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: Cause you know I had a I say I had a seven-year-old last competition season, and I think you you were spot on right.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like we did lashes, blush, lipstick.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: It was just the right impact, and you know, just to be able to be seen out there and not fading.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: Eyebrows too, super important.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: Eyebrows.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_03: Even if it's just like a little brow gloss, just you know, brush it over the brow to just have a little bit of fill in there.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_04: And then I think just like a very light, maybe even like a little few strokes of mascara to just some little kids have like the fiercest eyelashes as as is.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, like they don't even they don't even need mascara, but like I do think blush is crucial.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_04: They probably don't need foundation.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_04: Like their skin is like porcelain beautiful, like they don't need right foundation at all.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_04: There's nothing really to cover up, but maybe even just a na a natural lip or something just to put a little bit of color on their lip so it doesn't get washed out by the lights, I think is totally like more than enough.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, like eight, ten is maybe when we can start doing the eyeshadow.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe we can start doing a little bit of a stronger lip and maybe start adding that foundation to the mix.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_04: But I do think that there's huge debates on um social media uh with dance parents and dance teachers about like when is it time to put a lash on a kid, you know?
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_04: And some people are like never, absolutely never.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_04: I'm like, uh actually, no, there is there is a time for stage.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_04: There's a time, there's a time.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and you're you know, I've got red hair, which means my eyebrows are very light.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_02: My lashes are very long, but very light.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_02: So, like you put me on stage with no makeup on, even if I was four or fourteen or twenty four or whatever, you cannot see me.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_02: I am a ghost, you know.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_02: So it's it has so much less to do.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_02: I like I don't think anybody is thinking, I'm gonna put a four-year-old in a full face because I want the four-year-old to look like a glamour.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_02: I just want the poor baby's face to be seen because she's so pale and small.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_07: Like, yeah, true.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_02: And so as a mom, Lynn, what are what are your thoughts on the full face of makeup, especially when we're thinking of stage makeup versus like Kurt Line was saying, that sort of what what did you call it?
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_02: The clean girl makeup.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_02: The clean girl, the clean girl makeup.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: No, I do.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, my girls all dance on Teams and they will get washed out.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: They're little and they're sweet and they're you're right, their face is like porcelain, but they need to that pop of blush, they need that pop of lips.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: And then I much would, even though eyelashes are a little troublesome, I would much rather put eyelashes on my seven, eight, let's say I have a 10-year-old now, than mascara.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the lashes make such an impact for their eyes, and then you know, not lining, let's say, at the bottom, just so that their eyes pop a little bit more.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: A little bit of eyeshadow is great too, but right now they have really great skin.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, lucky.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: I can see that's gonna change though.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's got to be yeah.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, okay, let's we we mentioned the lashes.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_04: Let's just talk, let's start talking about lashes for a minute because we're already there.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_04: Hot take.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_04: Hot take is always a hot take.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I don't even remember I actually I'm trying to think back when did I put a lash on my face?
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_04: I remember them, you know, every every single kid, every mom can probably relate when it's the first time you're trying to put a lash on a child, and they're the kids are blinking, and you're trying to line the lash, and then it's all crooked, and then it's like punching them in the inner corner of their eye and it hurts, and then they're crying because it hurts, and their makeup's dripping down their face, the lashes too big for their eye.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, like so many things.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_04: Like I I remember crying in the dressing room trying to get lashes on.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_04: So, lashes, when that that whole debate I just said about people saying, when is when what age do we put lashes on?
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_04: What do you guys think?
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_04: What what age feels appropriate?
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, Lynn, you said you put them on your seven-year-old.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_04: That seems right to me.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_07: I feel like everything is kind of like conducive, you know what I mean?
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_07: It's like if if like the seven-year-olds in a group of like 12 and 13-year-olds, like, yeah, we gotta slap a lash on so we all like look cohesive.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_07: But I don't like I don't know if there's like a hard like six years old on the dog on their birthday, they can start wearing lashes.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_07: Like, I feel like that's you know, it's a little strict for that kind of stuff.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_04: I also kind of feel like it depends on like, I don't know, not that like if it's a recital or like if if the stakes are a little less like I don't know.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_04: I that sounds weird, but like I think the stage is the stage, so the makeup should be the same no matter what.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_04: But I can understand if people are like, well, my dancer's just a Direct dancer, and they just they don't want to put a full beat on their face, and I don't I don't want them to have that until they're a teenager or whatever, which is fine, you know.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_04: I think if you get the right kind of mascara, you can do a pretty good job of creating like a a fake eyelash type of look with mascara, right?
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_02: But but then you run into the getting it off of your face problem.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_02: And like I have issues with that too, just as an adult.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, is anything gonna take this off without ripping my eyelashes out?
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: So I kind of can I can get behind a lash for anybody without mascara because of how how troublesome it is to take off the mascara.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's much easier to peel off glue, you know.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: The little ones rub their eyes a lot too, right?
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: So as soon as they rub, now we've got mascara and now we're trying to ruining your work of art that you've created.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_04: That we all cried and sweated over.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_04: What about those magnetic lashes?
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_04: What are your thoughts on them?
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_04: Have you tried them?
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_04: Do they work?
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_04: Do they not?
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_07: I haven't gotten into them.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_07: I'm a little like apprehensive about them.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_07: I'm like, what is really the tea about them?
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_07: But I know a lot of people that wear them and love them.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_07: There's also those lashes that you put like underneath your like lashes, not over top of your lashes.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_07: I don't know about that either.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_07: And that one seems a little testy too.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_07: So I haven't really ventured just because the lash debate we could go on for we can, you know, as we said pre pre-show, we could go on for hours about just lashes.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_07: Oh yeah.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_04: I also think a helpful thing is to cut your lashes if they're too big.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_04: Like people think you have to leave them.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_04: I cut I'm an a grown adult and I still cut them to fit the shape of my eye because they make them really long sometimes.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_04: And then it's like drooping halfway down your eye, and you just look crazy.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_04: And you're like, Do I just keep gluing it?
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_02: Do I just keep gluing it on?
• 23:51
  unknown: No.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_07: That's actually that's a hot tip though.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_07: Like a lot of people don't cut their lashes.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_07: You have to like fit the dry lash to your eyelid and see how much hangs over because it will be you'll have like eyes instead of along the exactly.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: I have a question for Caroline.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: So when you're putting on lashes, do you put the glue on the lash before and then put it on the eye?
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: Or do you use like the little liner that's like that is like glue and liner, and you just line and then put the lash on top?
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_07: What do you suggest?
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_07: I got I got you, Lynn.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_07: Okay, here we go.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_07: Here's the hot tips.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_07: So fit the lash to your eye, cut the excess, then put the lash glue on the actual lash.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_07: Then this is the tip.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_07: Everybody listening, this is the tip.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_07: You have to wait until the glue gets tacky before putting it on your eye.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_07: If you put the glue, if put the lash on your eye when the glue is still wet, that's when it's shifting all over the eye.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_07: The kid is like rubbing their eye, the glue is getting in their eyeball, it's too much.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_07: So wait till it gets tacky.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_07: And another hot tip is make sure your kids don't close their eyes, but look down.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_07: Because when you close your eyes, that's when the bottom lashes start to get stuck to the top lashes.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_07: And everybody's like, Mom, I can't see.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_07: Because you glued all the lashes together.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_07: Keep keep make sure that the lash gets tacky, looking down and put it on the lid.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_07: Don't tell them to look up yet.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_07: Make sure you can situate it and really butt it up right against the lid, right against those lashes.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_07: Make sure it's all ready to go before they look forward, and then you can adjust.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_07: Love it.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_02: That's a great tip.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_02: Great tips.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, I have another question because I was always the worst at putting on lashes for shows, and it was like it was such a trap.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_02: And I have contacts and like it's just a lot going on with all the makeup and stuff.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_02: If you're using lashes, do you also use eyeliner on the top lid?
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_02: Where do you put it?
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_07: I personally, oh, because Leslie, because we are we're pale girls and we're like we got those white lashes, you got to fill in the gaps.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_07: So there's a thing called tight lining, which the kids are not gonna like this.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_07: I'm just telling you now, your kids are not gonna enjoy this.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_07: But you'll peel your eyelid back and this little spot, you gotta get in there with like a coal or gel liner, because otherwise, for pale girls like you and me, there's gonna be like gaps, and you're like, what's going on?
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_07: You have to fill everything in, really create that full black eye look up atop.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_02: This is good tips.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_02: I'm never gonna wear a lash again in my life, but this is tips perfect.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_07: Or if you don't like to wear a full lash, you can get like half lashes, like as we were talking before.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_07: You can cut the lashes and just put it like right on the end, which will help you get like a cat eye look.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_07: So this is a few for like little tinies too.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_07: Like blend the rest of them.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_07: Totally.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_07: Always put the mascara on too.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_07: Always blend.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_04: I like I always wear like, as you can see in this video, I always wear like liner.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_04: Always, I love it.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_04: Actually, I didn't wear liner the other day, and I was with Alexa and she was like, I haven't seen your face without like eyeliner on in my whole life.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_02: I swear you should get it tattooed on.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_02: They do that.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_02: They do.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_04: Well, you know, like how back in the day, oh back in the day, like high school, so like uh like the 2000s, we would put the eyeliner on the bottom, like and it like religiously, like pencil eyeliner on the bottom.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_04: And back then I was like, I'm gonna get it tattooed on because I just never when am I ever gonna not wear it on the bottom?
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_04: Like that's how I thought back then.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_04: I'm so glad I didn't.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_04: Trend, don't go into the trends, don't do the trends, don't do the trends, don't do anything permanent trend wise.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah actually, I will admit I did micro bleeding, which was a trend.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_04: But that's a okay one.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_07: That's a horrible that's reversing an old trend.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, that's reversing an old trend of overplucking.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_02: That's true.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_02: You have to fix that.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_02: That is true, yeah.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_07: But which now overplucking eyebrows are back in, so I don't know what they are.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_07: The thin eyebrows and low-waisted jeans, girls.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_07: I don't know.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_04: I can't.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_04: I can't do the overpluck.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_04: I do not co-sign.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, I don't either.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_04: I love a full brow.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_04: I love a full brow look, so I'm a little upset about that.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_04: Me too.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_04: I love the fluffy brow.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_04: Well, we briefly talked about makeup.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_04: Let's start digging into hair a little bit and then we'll go back to like a final overall everything.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_04: So hair.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_04: Hair for the competition stage.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_04: We've seen it all.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_04: Honestly, I feel like I've seen every hairstyle ever.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_04: What are your thoughts, Lynn and others, as far as competitive hair?
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_04: Do you feel like that it should just be something that's just sleek and polished and usable for every genre?
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_04: Or are we doing the hair changes?
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_04: What are your thoughts?
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, some are definitely doing the hair changes.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'll tell you that, you know, at our school and and you know, other friends' schools, that center part, low bun, super sleek, out of the face, pulled back, is a winner.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it is one that you just you can't go wrong.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I know some people like the low pony, but uh, you know, ponytail or leaving that hair down, you have, you know, the opportunity for it to get caught in your costume or in your lipstick or when you're turning.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's kind of hard sometimes to do a to spot in the turn when you have you know hair whipping in your face, or it gets caught in your lashes.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: So I love when we can slick it back, we can flick it down really, really, really nicely, really secure, nice secure bun, and it's not even a factor now.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: With that being said, I do also love when there's a bit of hairography, right?
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_00: So the hair kind of becomes part of the routine.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, that's really to the choreographer's um creative vision, right?
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: So be you know, using the hair as part of the routine.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'd say the only thing about that is to make sure you schedule those dances, either last or um, you know, somewhere where you have enough time to be able to make those hair changes because it is it's really hard.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you may be able to go from you know a center part, low bun to maybe a center part and low pigtails, maybe for hip hop, right?
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: Because it doesn't necessarily feel right to have your hair in a low bun for hip hop.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: So I do feel like there's some, there's an element there where you have to change it, but making it a little easy on the parents and on the kids is is key.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_02: I think the ease is key, especially at competitions where you've got, you know, you've you could have your kid could be in 15 dances and like you said, the scheduling of everything.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, I I personally can can braid like a very basic braid.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_02: I can't French braid, I can't do anything fancy.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like I personally can't do anything.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_02: So if you were asking me as a parent if I had a kid to like do something crazy, I'd have to outsource that because it's that's a lot.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: There might be a business for that actually at the competition.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_00: Truly, but no, I I do love I do love like the two um Dutch braids or the two French braids that'll go into the bun.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's also really beautiful.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: I love seeing the texture in the hair sometime, you know, a braid versus being really slick.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, getting the hair really slick is is also kind of a challenge because you have so many different hair types out there.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_00: And yes, right, when you have really curly hair, it's much harder than us with straighter hair.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_07: I was all growing up.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_07: It was like, get your wispies back, get your wispies back.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, I know that.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_04: I can't do it.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_04: They're like like I would go through like quadruple the amount of hairspray and gel with all my like no offense to my straight hair friends, but like literally, I it was just impossible.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_04: And then you'd always get that feedback on your critique.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_04: Make sure your wispies are glued down and whatever.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_04: I'm like, oh my god.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_02: And you're like, Do I actually have to use glue?
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_02: Literally, like, are you actually telling me to use glue?
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_04: Seriously.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_04: Something that I I'm glad you brought up, Lynn, and I wanted to talk about because I think that is an important question that a lot of people have is just different hair textures and navigating different hair textures at a studio.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_04: Do we feel like that dancers need to have that cohesive look?
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_04: I've seen so many times on forums where dance teachers or dance parents have asked the question, like, my dancer has naturally textured hair or naturally curly hair, and my team is requiring them to straighten their hair for the look of competition.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_04: What are our thoughts on that?
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_04: Because I have thoughts, but I want to know your thoughts.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: I have thoughts too.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: Go for it.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I think that you know, on a stage, you are uniform.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_00: So you do need to look like everybody else, and that's really your dance, again, your dance teacher, your studio, that's their vision for the dance.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think it is very important.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: I do, however, know that there are certain types of hair that the slicking, the constant hairspray, the drying of the alcohol can be really damaging to certain textures because they have more sensitive hair and more prone to damage.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_00: So I do believe if we're gonna be like that for competition, then I think during the week, because I know my girls, you know, five days a week they're in a ballet bun.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe we only go like 75, 80% on those days and leave the hundred, 110% hair for the for the competitions just to give hair a break because we should be sensitive to the textures because it is it's a lot harder for some than others.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you curly girls are are are one as well.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, right now bangs are really popular, you know, we call it fringe, but you know, the cute bangs are really popular amongst the little girls, but they have to slick it back for for competition.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they have to be a big thing.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_02: And I had I had bangs like and I have very straight hair.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm just thankful my mom owns a studio and we weren't, I mean, yeah, we had to wear our hair a certain way, but if you had bangs, you didn't like your bangs were your bangs.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_02: But like, I if somebody had asked me in my straight bangs that were the they couldn't do that.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_02: There was no way they could do that.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_02: They couldn't go straight back because they're just they they grow a certain way, you know?
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's like hair has a mind of its own.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_02: And I think also another thing to think about too, if if you're asking, you know, somebody with different texture hair to straighten it with heat, some people don't want their little children, no matter how old they are, no matter what kind of hair they have, to be exposed to that kind of heat.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I I I read somewhere that a hair straightener like gets hot enough to cook a pizza.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like my hair straightener goes up to 450 degrees.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_02: And I have straight hair.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_02: Like, so when you think about it that way, it's like, oh my God, like if you were asking somebody with hair like yours, Courtney, yeah, to straighten it every single weekend with heat and you and you were seven, like, I don't think that's gonna go.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_02: It's gonna not gonna fly.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_00: But see, but I do think there's that element of of of being uniform on stage, right?
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's it's part it's kind of part of the game.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_04: I know, and you know, I think that's where I have like mixed feelings because I feel like that the uniformity is still present while still representing who you are as an individual.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_04: So like and I think that's like where it's changing a little and our industry is evolving a little bit.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_04: Whereas like when I was growing up and Caroline, you know, like I kind of had like I was I kind of had to essentially straighten my hair because we actually changed our hair for every dance.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_04: Like we usually didn't have like a specific, I think our go-to back in the day was like a side sent a side part in a split low pony, but then we could wrap it into a bun when we needed to, or we could rip it out and put a half up half down, or we could or the era of French twists.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, French twist favorite era, yeah.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_05: French twist world.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_04: Like we were changing our hair for every dance, but I feel like now if it's a low ponytail, what's it matter if it's curly or straight?
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_04: Like to me, it's you're taking away from that person's natural hair pattern.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_04: And it's if you look at it, it's still uniform, you're still doing the same thing.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_04: But and then it, you know, if our if studios are concerned about that, then maybe they need to find a hairstyle that is appropriate and inclusive to every hair where that the damaging aspect is coming into play and is being thought about.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_04: I know for a fact that I am balding, literally balding, in my hair.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right over here.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_04: I have baby, baby hairs that will not grow, and then that's why I have bangs now.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_04: So try to hide it because I ripped my hair back into ballet buns my entire life, and I and I hated my curls back in the day.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_04: So I would like rip those, like no bumps at all.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_04: And I've damaged my hair for the rest of my life because of that.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_04: And like I think that goes to say as as well, Lynn, how you were mentioning like the demand of class hair and making sure the ballet hair is slicked and perfect.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_04: Like, we gotta maybe we allow the wispies a little bit.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe we don't need the hairspray as much for those because it is damaging.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_04: Like it really does make like pay a toll on our future of hair.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: You say that I I agree.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's why using using good products and using products that uh not only for styling, but you have to also think about the care in between, making sure you're actually really cleansing uh your hair to get out all the hairspray buildup, you know, five days of hairspray.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we wash my my oldest once a week, right?
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_00: So she's got at the end of the week five days worth of hairspray, hairspray buildup.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: So making sure though that you really work that through, get a good lather, scrub with the little silicone scrubby brushes on the scalp.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's easier for like the little ones to use that.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: But make sure you get all that out so you really are starting fresh and starting clean and you're not clogging the hair follicles or it looks like or like too much hairspray sometimes, you know, will leave like white flakes.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, after five or six days, it does happen.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: Even the best hairsprays on the market, right?
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_00: So you have to you have to get that get it clean and start fresh because they have little scalps, right?
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: That these these children, I mean, and and even us, right?
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: As we're aging, like we have to make sure we're taking care of it and you know, for the long haul.
• 37:58
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• 39:35
  SPEAKER_02: I was just gonna say, I'm I am you will probably by the time this episode releases, I'm working on an article right now for Dance Parent 101 about why ballet dancers have to wear their hair in a bun.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_02: And so I have a whole segment on, well, can can everybody wear a bun?
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_02: Like can can every hair type wear a bun?
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_02: And yes, but we have to remember that if a dancer has natural hair, it's going, it's just going to look different.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I'm talking about African American natural hair where it's it's not treated, it's just growing naturally, which means it's thicker and it's bigger and it's not gonna look the same as my bun with my very, you know, fine straight hair.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_02: And also thinking about, okay, a dancer with box braids.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_02: That hairstyle can go into a bun.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's not gonna look like my bun, but it can go in a bun.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_02: And if all we're asking for is uniformity, Courtney, like you were saying, it still allows your own personal culture, you know, personality style hair type to live its best life while also conforming, you know, and I think that's such a big part of the conversation in the dance industry right now, period, including makeup, which I want to touch on as well.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_02: Of like how uniform can we really ask people to be when, you know, even the raquettes now are not uniform the way they used to be, you know.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_02: So how how far is too far and how can we still create that look if that's the desire of the choreographer to say, like, we look this one way for whatever reason while also making sure you're respectful of everybody's like actual humanity.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I'm glad you said that.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_04: And I wanted to go there.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_04: I wanted to flip over that same discussion to the makeup side of things and talk about, you know, like the palettes, the the the makeup palette.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_04: I know there's a lot, probably a lot of studios out there that like go to the drugstore and pick their favorite.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, you're just gonna go buy this palette, you're gonna get this lip color and this number, you're gonna get, you know, get whatever foundation matches you.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_04: But we have to remember that like there are lots of different shades of people, and maybe what looks great on Leslie will not look great on me when it comes to the eyeshadow palette that who you recommended.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_04: So, what are our thoughts when it comes to creating that uniformity?
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_04: Do we need everyone in the same color lip shade?
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_04: Do we need everybody in the same palette using the, you know, Mac 101, whatever?
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_04: Like, and also like, do we need to use like Mac 10 whatever and Urban Decay and all of these?
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_04: Or like, will drugstore brands be enough?
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_04: So many questions.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_07: So I personally believe that there's nothing wrong with uniformity and like having everybody look the same, but also understanding that not all the tones, like a brown that looks good on me is not a brown that's gonna look good on Courtney or somebody with darker skin tones.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_07: So just like understanding that before even going into it is going to be the best case scenario.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_07: But I think to have like a an eye that everybody should do and like the range of colors, like I want everybody to do their neutrals because my neutrals, again, right, are too light for somebody with somebody with dark skin, and my their neutrals are way too dark for me.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_07: So just like understanding that there is a difference and uh accommodating to everybody's differences because uh it is uh and it goes into like industry stuff, so like passive and competition, like how much like darker skinned girls like are inhibited with these makeup artists on set, like people unfortunately, which I per like I personally believe that if if you're a hair or a makeup person and you do not know how to do everybody's uh skin and their hair, you cannot claim that you are a makeup artist or a hairstylist.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_07: I'm sorry, you cannot claim that.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_07: So for like with like the eye stuff, so making sure that everybody, you know, is uniform but in their shade tones.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_07: And you know, yeah, like growing up, we we were drugstore girls, we slapped that stuff on us.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_07: Does it hold up the same?
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_07: Kind of, not really.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_07: Sometimes, you know, I believe that at least with foundation, a brand that's really good is L'Oreal's Infallible.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_07: That's a really good drugstore foundation that's full coverage.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_07: One of the higher end that I is my holy grail that I used on tour because I'm a melter, I sweat a lot.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_07: Danes the Myrix.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_07: She has amazing products, waterproof, amazing eye stuff that is that will look on every skin tone.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_07: For me, like the lip stuff, if we're gonna like, you know, matching lip stuff, neutral, like their people's nude, just making sure it's their nude or their skin tone.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_07: And then I believe there's nothing wrong with a red lip.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_07: You know, if some people don't like a red lip, but if it ain't if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_07: The only thing I don't really like is like a dark lip on like like lighter skin tones.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_07: I feel like it's just very hollowing and harrowing on stage that unless it's like the routine is like, you know, calls for that.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_07: I don't think dark lip should be on the stage, personally.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_04: I kind of agree.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_04: I've seen I've seen lipstick so dark where it looks almost like brown black on stage.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_04: And I don't think that's the look they're going for.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_04: I think it's supposed to be like a dark, like maroon or something, but it just reads wo weird and rough and wrong on stage.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_04: And I I have actually like thinking about lip color, I feel like lip color is a little bit trickier because I do think that it is hard to m cater to everyone's skin tone with lip.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_04: But then I also think we have to like determine, all right, well, we can't go too bright because if you're the only one in like fire engine red lip on stage and everyone else is like a little bit more muted red, then we we need to kind of figure this out because then my eye's going to like the bright red lip over there, or if someone's wearing pink when it's supposed to be red, it's you know, I think we have to like I think everyone needs to sit down and be like, put your lipstick on, let me approve it.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_04: Like I think studios need to do like a makeup run.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_04: Isn't that what dress rehearsals for?
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_04: And like make sure.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_04: Cause like I do agree.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_04: I think there's some things that you can get away with for drugstore stuff, and there's some things that you can just go to Sephora and buy and it's gonna last you forever.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_04: Like you're gonna have it for a long time.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_04: It's gonna be quality, the pigment is better.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_04: It's you know, it's even like the setting spray, I think that's crucial to remember setting spray because, like you said, Caroline, you're like melting away when you're like doing quick changes left and right and this and that, and you know, a lot of people are doing like the the lipstick that like you paint on and doesn't leave your face for like days.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_04: Um, if that works, great.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_04: If because you know, little kids, when you're quick changing and it you don't want to get your lipstick on your costume, like if you can find a brand that that works and uh is also the shade that your studios approve, then great.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_04: But a trend that I see at competition, I want to ask y'all's opinion on your thoughts, is a lot of people are doing like colored lips to match their costume.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_04: Like if they're like frozen and like they're it's like an ice dance or something, then they put like blue lipstick on, or I've seen like green lipstick, and I'm and I'm just like, what's going on?
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_04: I'm I'm questioning, I I kind of very much dislike it.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_04: That's just me.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_04: Every time I see it, I'm my head just like kind of goes to the right.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_04: I'm like, what's happening here?
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_04: Like who who thinks this is cute?
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_04: Because I don't think it's that cute.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_04: What are our thoughts?
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_07: I don't like it.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_07: I think that like that can call for like an editorial kind of like photo shoot, but it doesn't read on like things like in pictures or in person doesn't read all the time on stage.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_07: So we have to like shift and maneuver and work through that.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like it's somebody started the trend.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_04: Somebody did, and then everyone's like, ooh, we're gonna get like lipstick to match the costume.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_04: TikTok.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_04: Probably.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_04: Or the what about the glitter lips?
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_04: I haven't seen them in a while, but you know what I'm talking about?
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_06: Ooh, I remember that.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_06: I like a glitter lip.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_06: I like a glitter lip.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_06: I like a glitter, like a red glitter lip.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_04: Ooh, yeah.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_04: Glitter was like the thing for a while back in the day.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_04: Body glitter, hair glitter, glitter on the lip, glitter glitter, eyeshadow glitter.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_04: Actually, I will say eyeshadow glitter.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_04: Uh not sure if I love it because I see a lot of glitter more than their eyeballs.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_04: Like I want to see you looking at me, and or not me, but like eyes up.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_04: And when I'm seeing more glitter, that means you're looking down.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_04: So that's their problem, not the glitter's problem.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_04: But then I'm like, why am I looking at glitter?
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_04: And usually it's like blue.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_04: Usually it's like a blue something glitter.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_04: And then I'm also like, please hold.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_04: First, let's remove the glitter, second, let's remove the blue, and let's go in like an appropriate neutral pal, like smoky eye first stage.
• 48:33
  unknown: Yeah.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_07: If if you people want to do glitter, you can't slap all glitter on the lid.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_07: It's best if you just put it in the center, right in the center, because it actually it's where your eye lines up and it actually will open and make your eyes look brighter rather than slapping it all across the lid.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_02: Tips.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_04: Great tips from Lipness Diamond.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_02: You talked about taking care of your hair on the in-between and on the daily and everything.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_02: But so I have this issue, and I'm an adult person with like, you know, adult hair.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_02: When I have very clean hair, I can't get it to do anything.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_02: Even if I put products in it, it feels like it just will not go.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_02: So, like, you know, I usually have my best hair days and used to also for ballet and stuff.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_02: It would just go up like on the third or fourth day after, but it wouldn't be cute, mind you.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_02: It would be greasy and gross, but it would get back there and it would stay put.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_02: What do you do with your, you know, your daughter, you wash her her hair on the fifth day of the week or whatever, and then she has to go to ballet the next day.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_02: Are you just reloading it back up with hairspray?
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what is that?
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_00: Great question.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_00: My daughter and I talk about this often because you know, she'll she'll have that same question as, and I'll tell her, look, at some point we've got to reset the hair.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like you have to wash it.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_00: I hate to wash it.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's time.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_00: I hate wash it.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_00: You have to wash it.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, exactly.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_00: And she has that really thick, very silky.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, ponytail holders just will slide right through.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_00: We have a we have a product called Texture Takeover that is your key to all of this.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's like a mixture of a hairspray, dry shampoo, volumizer.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_00: So it's a texturizing spray.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_00: And so what I've gotten her to start doing is spray into clean hair.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_00: So it gives your one of the tablizes gives your style grip.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_05: Right?
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_00: It gives your hair grip.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_00: So you're yeah, so your style doesn't slip, right?
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_00: So it's kind of like here's your chance to make it feel dirty, but your hair's still clean.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_00: Also, I have her spray since it's when it's so clean and it's really slick.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_00: I have her spray around the hair where the ponytail holder goes to help it get a little bit of grip there.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_00: So it's less likely to slip out because we have tried every ponytail holder on the earth, every single one, like you name it, we've tried it.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_00: And we kind of keep going back to there's some goodie ones that I love.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um that Forever Alchalis, it's called, so it's a little bit more robust than like your normal in your normal hair tie.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_00: So that really works for her.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_00: And we end up having to use two of those.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_00: So but yes, so try to make your hair feel a little a little less slick, is it this product is perfect for that, and you can kind of layer it each day.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's not it's not crunchy like a hairspray.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_00: Nice, it adds a nice bit of volume and texture.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_02: That's great.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, gotta have the texture.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm gonna use this, I'm gonna use that tip.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna get that spray because it's a joke with which just so slippery.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's so slippery.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_00: And you know what else it's good for?
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I see this often with the younger girls, you know, they're required.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_00: There was one cute little hairstyle, the the group younger than my youngest was needed to do, and it was like the two little um space buns, right?
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_00: So, like the two cute little buns at the top of their hair, but these little baby fine hairs on these little girls, you can't really get.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, much less one button.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, one button, two buttons, right?
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, what do I do?
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, you don't want to really always want to use the donut.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like, that's another conversation.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like, do you use the big donut?
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_00: I I'm totally against the donut unless you have to.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_00: Donuts are no good.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_00: But what this spray will do is if you can like spray the hair and backhand, like tease it a little bit, it gives a little bit more like substance to the hair so that you can form it in a cute little button.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_00: So that's been a helper for the little ones.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, but okay.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_02: So now you brought it up.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_02: We got to talk about the donut.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_02: The donut was not a thing when we were growing up, and the evolution of this of this product, I don't I don't even know how to feel about it.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's a no.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_02: It's a it's a no.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's a it's a but why is it a no?
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_02: I need I need some more context.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_02: Because people want the con because people love that bun.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_02: People love that donut.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody loves it.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_02: And why is it no good?
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_02: Tell us all the things, Lynn.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I feel that people would go to the bun like an anchor, right?
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_00: So they needed that to to to pin the hair to so they feel like they could get a secure bun.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_00: But all it does is add a layer of complexity, I feel like.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_00: And both you can, yes, exactly.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_00: Using the right tools and the right techniques, which takes a little bit more effort, I guess, to kind of figure out.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_00: You can you can get a really nice bun, even on fine hair with the right products and the right technique.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, buns back in the day, I'd say back like, I don't know, even seven years ago or so, it was all about it was all about big buttons, right?
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_00: But I think now it's must much more about being uniform, slick, nice, pretty, uh button.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_00: So we don't necessarily need that donut thing.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_02: Don't do it.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_04: Don't do the donut, y'all.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and like for years and years, and eons, again, with this article that I'm writing, I've been researching like the history of the bun because it's tradition.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_02: Ballerinas and dancers wear buns.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_02: And so from like 1865, when the Paris Opera Ballet decided to have a dress code, that was the first time you saw en masse ballet dancers slick their hair back.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_02: And like it was a little bit more styled in the front than we're used to now.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_02: But like people have been wearing buns and doing buns without a donut for over 150 years.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_02: So, like, do we knew need this little styrofoam thing?
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe not.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe it's a gimmick.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_00: No, I've tried every I've tried every like, I don't know, I want to say gimmick, but every tool that comes out.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a sucker, I'll buy it because I love this stuff, right?
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_00: So I like maybe figure it out.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I just always go back to the good old traditional button.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_02: And it really isn't hard once you you just like you said, it takes a little bit of effort to make it correct.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_02: And like, you know, if your hair is really short, you're probably not gonna get a great bun.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_02: But the donut wouldn't help you with that either.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_04: So And hair pins for the bun are really helpful.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_04: So don't as opposed to As opposed to a bobby.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_04: So correct.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_04: And that's something that took me a long time to finally figure out.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_04: And there's a bunch of different hair pins on the market, but I like the hair pins that are the thicker hair pins and not the thin ones that just like you shove it in and it just bends the other way like right away.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_04: You need they need to be a little bit stronger, and you can really like, you know, anchor that that bun in place with the hairpin.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_04: So I think the bobbies are more for securing things onto your head or keeping flyways back or smoothing things out, but then the hair pins are really what can, you know, for French twists and for buns, go for the hairpin.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_04: That will help you.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_00: The bobby pins are good for keeping the hairnet on the bun, right?
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_00: So once you've created the bun, put the hair net and you get those little bobby pins through the holes and really secure it around the bun.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_00: But yes, those big thick hair pins are where it's at.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_00: There's also with my little girls that have all the hair, there's a corkscrew.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_00: Have you seen the corkscrew?
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_02: I've seen that.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_02: That actually looks brilliant.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, that one does work.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_00: It does work.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_00: So if you've got a lot of hair and let's say it's really thick and it's gonna be heavy, I, y'all, I had I did something so bad for my little girl.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like she, this this last competition, she I guess um last year, she wanted like a little Xinyang.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_00: So the little button to the side right behind the ear.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_00: And we did it all season long.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_00: It was perfect.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_00: The last one, last competition of the season, mommy's skills.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_00: I guess I was rushed.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what happened, but it was not my best work.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_00: And it started coming out like it stayed in the bun, but it's it like started breaking away from her hair and from her head, and I felt awful and I swore I would never let that happen again.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_00: But she had a little hair malfunction.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, the corkscrew is so good for that thick hair because it just kind of keeps it all nice and together.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_04: So many new tools on the market.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_04: Who knew?
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_07: Corkscrew my head is my head is feeling the PTSD from all the bobby pins over there.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_04: Jesus.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_04: When you'd get a headache from how tight everything was on your head, like oh, but there was never a great release like taking your hair out.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, and scratching it.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_07: So good.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_07: Chef's kiss.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_04: It's so true.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_04: So on the hair discussion, I think it's helpful.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_04: There's a lot of hair trends right now as far as styles of hair.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I think pretty much what's happened in the industry, at least from what it seems like to me, I very, very, very rarely see studios change hairstyles throughout an event, like I mentioned.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I just don't think there's the time anymore with the addition to levels, with the addition to maybe you're attending a convention versus a comp and competitions only half a day.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_04: There's not enough downtime in between your dances to do a full-blown hair change.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_04: So now every studio has kind of like acquired their studio hair, quote unquote.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_04: And you just leave it like that for all your dances and hope that it works and whatever.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_04: So that being said, I'm sure as a parent, that makes her life so much easier to just leave the hair and add a flourish and add a applique and add a hair piece, and you know, that's how we zhuzh up the appearance.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_04: But I know as a choreographer, and like I'm going in two different directions here, but I know as a choreographer, like there are sometimes I have a vision for what the whole presentation for the dance needs to look like.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_04: And sometimes that involves like a high ponytail.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_04: And then it kind of gets shot down as the choreographer because it's like it's not possible.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_04: We can't change to a high ponytail.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_04: We're in a low bun.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_04: I know you want this.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_04: We couldn't possibly make that happen.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_04: So then I feel like the whole thing, like kind of like what you mentioned, Lynn earlier, like you can't do hip hop with a bun, you know.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_03: It's just please know.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's just like doesn't look right, doesn't feel good too for the dancer, even though it's convenient and there's not enough time in the schedule.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_04: So that being said, we talked about the the center part low bun.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_04: We feel like that's a nice classic clean slicked look.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_04: But what are some of the other ones that we've seen that we like or think or seen that we don't like at competition?
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_04: I'm thinking of one off the top of my head, but I want to see if you guys pick it.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_00: I love the two braids.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_00: I really do.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like I think it's so pretty and it's really feminine.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_00: And like I said, like it adds texture.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's really pretty in the hair if it's done really neat.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_00: But then again, not all parents know how to braid.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like there's probably two moms with an assembly line, right?
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_00: Of kids behind stage trying to braid.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_00: So I do love that.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I you're right, like you have to go like we went from center part low bun, and I had to go to high pigtails, but we always but the the hip hop dance was it conveniently always lasts, so that kind of worked.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, with our hairsprays, that was like a big thing for us, though, that it's brushable, right?
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_00: Because sometimes when you use too much of that gel, it just gets gross and you can't brush it, and I've got tears.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, that has happened to me.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_00: So with the hairsprays, it's great.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_00: So I I love that when you can change and that makes it really nice.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_00: But back to your question, the braids are my favorite, and I love like maybe just one braid or there there have been some cool ones I've seen in the past, but I can tell you there's one there's that you don't like and what is it?
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, the one that I don't like.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_03: I don't really like these like yeah, faux hawk things that are happening.
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, the buns.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they're like those are back, those are back, they're back at competition, and I'm I I'm kind of like confused by it because it's but they're like very elaborate, like it looks like someone spent a lot of time on on these faux hawk ponytails or faux hawk buns, or sometimes they braid them to the faux hawk and it's like this beautiful like poof at the top, and then boom, boom, boom.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_03: Like I don't it's just it almost comes across as like too much.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_03: And yeah, it's just like a lot.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_03: I'm impressed by it because I'm like, wow, you spent a lot of time on your hair.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_04: And then you then everyone comes out and then they put like an applique with the f the giant fro, you know, faux hawk.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, this is just I just can I just have like a sleek, clean look, you know, is what I'm thinking.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_04: Unless like the dance calls for it, you know, like unless like this we're doing something really extreme and we want to go over the top and we want to have this thing.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_04: But I'm like, I don't know if that's the right choice for like a studio wide this goes with everything type of hairstyle, which is what we see often now.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_04: Leslie, what's yours?
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_04: Is that is it the same?
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's the one.
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_02: I I do not like the bun faux hawk.
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_02: But you know me, like, and most people know me.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_02: Most of the time I have a poof because I'm very short.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_02: And if you add the poof to my hairstyle, I am like two inches taller.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm here for the poof, but no, the I agree.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_02: I think that you know, I I immediately thought of you know, the the bun faux hawk or even just the faux hawk ponytail situation.
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_02: And number one only looks really good with really long hair, in my opinion.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like if you're gonna do the faux hawk into a ponytail, like you don't want like your sad little poof of a ponytail that just doesn't do what it needs to do.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_02: But I would love to see that for like a Lady Gaga production number.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like, yes, that's the hairstyle for that dance.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_02: But when you're doing La Villon Rose, it's not the hairstyle for that dance, or like La Via Dola Rosa, that's what I was thinking of.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's not it's not the hairstyle.
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_02: So I agree.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_02: I think that keep it simple because yes, hair matters, but it also can kind of be a deterrent, not a deterrent, but a distraction.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_02: Distraction.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_04: I love a French twist personally.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_04: I know they're annoying to do, but I think that they just are sleek and clean and classic.
• 1:02:06
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, look at their rockets, y'all.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_04: They wear a French twist every single day and they look clean and put together.
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_04: Like it is just I feel like you are talking business when you walk out on stage with a French twist.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_04: And like I honestly like take you serious right away.
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_04: Like first impressions are everything.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_04: If you have a sleek presentation and something like a sleek sleek bun, and I don't know, I think it says a lot.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_04: If you come in, if you come out with like a sleek bun, that's making me immediately think maybe they're like super classically trained, maybe they have tons of ballet technique.
• 1:02:41
  SPEAKER_04: This is like their go-to.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_04: Whereas a studio that might come with like a half up, half down, and that's their go-to, I might have like a different initial opinion, like a you know, a first impression, just honestly, based on what kind of shoe you're wearing, how you walk on stage, and what your hair is doing.
• 1:02:59
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, presentation says a lot about coming prepared for the the job, but it's not a job, it's a competition, but you know, same thing.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_04: So I don't know.
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_04: I l I love a French twist, I love a low pony sleek, I love the center part.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_04: I think the center part looks great on everyone.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_04: I think it's classic and clean.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_04: You don't like center part, Leslie?
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_02: I hate a do you see how deep this part is?
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_02: I hate a center part.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, my face is not symmetrical, so I have to off offset things.
• 1:03:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm trying to think of um I don't really like when uh we we put gems and things in our parts and stuff like that.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_04: I don't really understand it.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_02: That's a throwback.
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_02: Caroline, I wanna Caroline, you you made a face at the French twist.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_02: I want to hear your um pros and cons and positives and negatives.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_07: I I think everything is just from personal experience, which is trauma my personal disdain.
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_07: Well, our studio was like, we were like a low, low bun, low pony girls, and then one year my teacher was like, let's do the French twist, and my mom like had no idea how to do it, and it was always she was always like it was always just a screaming match when we had to get this French twist, and because I had so much hair that it like flipping it under by the time we like actually flipped it under, it this whole thing was like the the faux hawk, yeah, not what we want.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_07: And so it was just always a thing because like I just never had the same hair texture as everybody else in my group.
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_07: Everybody had like this sleek, straight hair, and then there's Caroline looking like uh Tasmanian devil coming out with her wispies, getting yelled at.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_07: So but I think I think the French twist looks really elegant and it looks really beautiful.
• 1:04:40
  SPEAKER_07: I just wish I was capable of doing it.
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_07: Right.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_07: Maybe I'm just jealous.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_07: I'm just jealous.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe I feel you.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_04: I feel you so hard on that.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my god, so many things.
• 1:04:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean, all the hair choices.
• 1:04:54
  SPEAKER_04: So I think at the end of the day, the most important thing is to have a hairstyle that suits everyone, is is able to work with everyone, you know.
• 1:05:03
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe if you have someone like Caroline's hair, we don't do French twist.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_04: You know, the end.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe that's what it is.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_04: Like maybe we go the bun.
• 1:05:12
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe and something that we didn't really talk about, which I know time is up, but hair down and things like that.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_04: We briefly touched on.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_04: And like you said, Lynn, like the hariography and the movement of the hair and putting that in the piece.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_04: I will say if you have your hair down in any capacity, that it would be ideal to have it a little bit off your face because when it's just covering your face, it's just so distracting and we can't see your beautiful face.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_04: And then, like you said, it gets caught in your eyelash and it's like it's a lot.
• 1:05:41
  SPEAKER_04: So I think that if we're gonna do it, a sleek to clean half up, half down is always a great, great idea.
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_04: Sometimes people do like the part and they pull back just the front and they like put it underneath, so at least like it looks like a headband type of thing where it's at least off your face is important.
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_04: But I I sometimes Get excited when I see dancers with hair down because it's just something different.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_04: Like when when we aren't doing hair changes at competition and someone comes out with like a half up half down, I'm like, cute! Let's hope it does, you know, it doesn't stay in your face the whole time.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_04: But I'm like excited, like yay, hair hairography.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_04: I always dance with my hair down, so I'm in support of that, but I think that it sometimes can be a little distracting.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_07: I also think it's important to practice and perform with your hair down because it when you become a professional, a lot I mean, not all the jobs, but a lot of jobs like require your hair being down, and you can't be like this on camera.
• 1:06:34
  SPEAKER_07: You have to figure out what that extra and count is of slapping your hair to the other side so it's out of your face.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_07: It's true.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_07: It's it's real true.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_07: So I like the the the juxtaposition of both though.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, make taking class with maybe like every now and then it's like, all right, you can have your hair down for this jazz combo.
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_04: We're gonna do some hariography, like incorporating that into the training, I think could be helpful.
• 1:06:57
  SPEAKER_04: Like you that's like such a great point that a lot of people probably don't even think about when you do become a pro.
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_04: Like, if you've only ever known my hair's been slicked back in a bun my whole entire career as a dancer, then what?
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_04: My hair has to come down?
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_04: I've never done this before.
• 1:07:11
  SPEAKER_04: You know, it's gonna be hard to navigate.
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_02: Is there any, Lynn?
• 1:07:15
  SPEAKER_02: Do you have any?
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if this is even a thing, but like I hate dancing with my hair down.
• 1:07:20
  SPEAKER_02: But as in the musical theater world, you know, you're not coming with your hair in a bun most of the time to an audition, you're coming with it half up, half down.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_02: And I get just like you, Caroline, I get so sweaty and my head sweats.
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_02: So the minute I start sweating, my hair looks like trash, like complete trash, unless it is up.
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_02: Is there any product or any tips you have to keep that from happening?
• 1:07:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, actually.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I do have some tips.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_00: So we um, you know, we sponsor dance teams and you know, dance teams that are on the sideline.
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that that's the look, right?
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like you need your hair down, it's gotta be really pretty, but they also sweat a ton because it's hot, especially here in Texas.
• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_00: So the product that I was talking about earlier, the texture takeover, that product um really helps even with humidity or when you start sweating, it really helps keep let your hair kind of keep its structure while you're dancing.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_00: So you're not gonna like lose, like if you put a cool wave in it, you won't lose that wave so quickly.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_00: It really helps kind of keep the wave in the hair and not like a hairspray you would spray on top.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's something like you're actually putting the hold and the texture in the style.
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_00: So then that way it lasts so much longer all throughout your hair flips and your sweating and all of the above.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, we all have to get this uh texture cream.
• 1:08:39
  SPEAKER_04: It's wait, what is it?
• 1:08:40
  SPEAKER_04: It's like a is it a cream?
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_04: It's a spray.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, we all have to get this spray, y'all.
• 1:08:44
  SPEAKER_06: I'll make it in the cart.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_06: Put it in the cart.
• 1:08:47
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_00: It really, it's it's really versatile.
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, we use um, we have another product product, I'll tell you that I love to.
• 1:08:55
  SPEAKER_00: And and and one one of the things I always say, so is if you have to work work your hold into your style.
• 1:09:01
  SPEAKER_00: So, like if you're gonna be slicking back your hair, spray with like a styling spray, or we have a great one that we use that's in our line.
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_00: Spray the hold into the style so that at the end you're just finishing with the hairspray and you're not rely relying on that hairspray to hold every single piece of place.
• 1:09:19
  SPEAKER_04: That's a hot tip.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_04: Hot tip.
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, love it.
• 1:09:23
  SPEAKER_04: There's so many hot tips on this episode.
• 1:09:25
  SPEAKER_04: It's great.
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I feel like we could go on and on and on and on.
• 1:09:29
  SPEAKER_04: I guess we need a 2.0 for this one.
• 1:09:31
  SPEAKER_04: Man, we always do this is so so so so informative.
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_04: I think we had so many hot tips shared on the makeup and the hair side.
• 1:09:42
  SPEAKER_04: I think we talked about some things we love, some things we hate, some things we can do better at for competition.
• 1:09:48
  SPEAKER_04: And hopefully, maybe this opens your eyes if you're a studio owner or a teacher as to how to approach makeup and hair for this upcoming season.
• 1:09:57
  SPEAKER_04: We wanted to put this nice and early in season four so you could make those choices after you listen and decide what is that studio hairstyle going to be.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_04: And maybe we shouldn't do the the faux hawk and maybe we should we should all do, you know, different shades of lipstick that matches our skin tone.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_04: So yay for that.
• 1:10:18
  SPEAKER_04: So so much helpful advice.
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you to both of our guests for joining us today.
• 1:10:23
  SPEAKER_04: This was so much fun, and what a way to kick things off in season four.
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_04: I hope you guys enjoyed your time on the pod.
• 1:10:30
  SPEAKER_04: We love having you.
• 1:10:31
  SPEAKER_04: And uh how we usually have our guests lead us out on making the impact is to just share one final bit of advice, helpful hot tips if you have any final ones you didn't mention, or any final thoughts when it comes to hair and makeup for the competition stage.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like I I I slipped in all the things that I that I think about all the time.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_00: I will end with a funny.
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_00: So, my daughter, I mean, my own daughter who sees me developing products and sees the ins and outs every day.
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_00: She went through this phase where she only wanted water.
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm just gonna style my hair with water.
• 1:11:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I told her, I said, Well, if water styled hair, we wouldn't have hair products, I wouldn't have a job or a line.
• 1:11:11
  SPEAKER_00: I said, So let's go ahead and start exploring these hair products a little bit more because water is just not gonna cut it.
• 1:11:18
  SPEAKER_03: That's true.
• 1:11:19
  unknown: Totally.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_07: I feel like with makeup, especially now that there's like 5,000 different makeup brands, products, all these things, it can be very overwhelming stepping into that space if you're a mom who's not really like so inclined with the makeup, or if you're a kid and you're like, want to try.
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_07: I always suggest starting with one area of the face first.
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_07: If you're like, I want to become amazing at makeup, it just becomes overwhelming, and then you're gonna be like, I'm not good at this, I'm terrible, and then you'll just you'll throw the whole thing away.
• 1:11:48
  SPEAKER_07: So I say one thing out of a time.
• 1:11:50
  SPEAKER_07: So I usually say something small like an eyebrow or a lip.
• 1:11:53
  SPEAKER_07: Really nail how you do your eyebrows every day working on your eyebrows because it really comes into practice makes perfect.
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_07: Your dance teachers told you that once or twice.
• 1:12:03
  SPEAKER_07: And just like really mastering that one area before before moving to something more intense, like skin.
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_07: Skin's really hard to do, and eye work is really tough, like a cat eye, making them uh even.
• 1:12:16
  SPEAKER_07: I I got you another hot tip of how to make your cat eye even.
• 1:12:20
  SPEAKER_07: Follow your bottom lash line out, and you'll always get it even.
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_07: Both sides.
• 1:12:25
  SPEAKER_07: Mic draw.
• 1:12:26
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you for that.
• 1:12:30
  SPEAKER_04: Definitely need that tip.
• 1:12:32
  SPEAKER_04: Do you have something else, Lynn?
• 1:12:33
  SPEAKER_00: I yeah, I actually I have another one.
• 1:12:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sitting here thinking, I actually do have one um I'd like to mention.
• 1:12:39
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, we talked about products, we talked about styles, we didn't really talk about brushes, and I have to say that brushes are also so important when it comes to styling the hair and transforming the hair.
• 1:12:50
  SPEAKER_00: I see moms all the time trying to do ponytails with like, you know, the big just brushes that you would detangle with, and it's like, no, no, no, that's not gonna work.
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you gotta have a really good brush with bristles that are close together so you can really, you know, slick back, and you should brush and spray at the same time to really like pull the hair back.
• 1:13:07
  SPEAKER_00: A brush is key and make sure you replace it often because bristles do get worn out.
• 1:13:12
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like that can be your best friend when you're styling hair.
• 1:13:18
  SPEAKER_04: We hope you enjoyed this week's episode all about hair and makeup for the competition stage.
• 1:13:23
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• 1:14:27
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• 1:15:22
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