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Teen Farmer's Boots Found, But Where is Dylan Rounds? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Think about it. What if
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Speaker 1: your teen boy simply disappeared, just seemingly vanished off the
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Speaker 1: phase of the earth, and then you find his boots?
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Speaker 1: What does it mean? And why are we not getting
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Speaker 1: any support from law enforcement? You know what I call
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Speaker 1: nine one one. I expect somebody to answer and do
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Speaker 1: something about it. That's why we pay taxes. Right we
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Speaker 1: pin our hopes on law enforcement. And listen to me,
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Speaker 1: law enforcement in these two jurisdictions, we need your help,
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Speaker 1: not your resistance. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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Speaker 1: in series XM one eleven. I'm talking about ten boy
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Speaker 1: Dylan Rounds. Take a lessen to our friends at Fox thirteen.
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Speaker 1: This land in Lucin, Utah might not look like much,
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Speaker 1: but to nineteen year old Dylan Rounds, it was everything.
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Speaker 1: This is the pond he dug out. He'd talked to
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Speaker 1: me about plant trees around it and stock and fish
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Speaker 1: in it, and it was just one of his little dreams. Now,
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Speaker 1: it's been almost a week and a half since Dylon
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Speaker 1: last returned to his camper. His dad, Justin says his
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Speaker 1: son was last seen Memorial Day weekend at the Saddlesore Saloon,
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Speaker 1: a bar thirty miles weston Montello, Nevada. I'm convinced that
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Speaker 1: it's foul play. Every vehicle he has a retractor. Everything
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Speaker 1: is accounted for and in place. One of the last
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Speaker 1: conversations Dylan had with his dad was about his excitement
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Speaker 1: for the crop he had just planted. He wanted to
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Speaker 1: see a grow. He wasn't going to leave. There was
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Speaker 1: nothing that was going to take him away from here.
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Speaker 1: You know, think of the thing you love the most
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Speaker 1: in the world. I know what it is. It's my children, John,
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Speaker 1: David and Lucy. Nothing but then my power could separate
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Speaker 1: me from them. Now, I grew up in farmland, and
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Speaker 1: a farmer loves his or her lands. It's a love
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Speaker 1: I can't even describe. And this teen boy, Dylan Rounds
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Speaker 1: loved his land. His hopes, his dreams, his plans, his
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Speaker 1: futures all wrapped up in that land. So why would
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Speaker 1: he leave it? He wouldn't. With me an all star
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Speaker 1: panel to make sense of what we know right now
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Speaker 1: about the disappearance of this teen boy, Dylan Rounds. But
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Speaker 1: before I introduce them, I want to go to a
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Speaker 1: very special guest joining us. This is Dylan's mother, Candice Cooley.
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Speaker 1: Miss Killy, thank you for being with us. You're welcome,
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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, Miss Coolly. Before I get into
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Speaker 1: the entire story about what you've been through, what your
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Speaker 1: family's discovered so far in the search you did just
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Speaker 1: about forty eight hours ago, I want you to tell
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Speaker 1: me about the moment you realize Dylan is missing. So
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Speaker 1: it was Memorial Day, Monday, May thirtieth, and Dylan's friend
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Speaker 1: JD called me around eleven o'clock. I was working in
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Speaker 1: my office and asked if I had heard from Dylan,
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Speaker 1: and I said no, and he said, well, Karen called
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Speaker 1: and said they haven't heard from him from Saturday. Now,
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Speaker 1: it is not typical for Dylan to go two or
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Speaker 1: three days without talking to him, but he always talks
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Speaker 1: to either myself, his father, Justin, or his grandparents. So
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Speaker 1: when we put together that he had not talked to
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Speaker 1: any of us, that's when I instantly knew, because he's
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Speaker 1: always in contact with one of the three. And my
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Speaker 1: husband and I packed up and headed down because I
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Speaker 1: knew they had just and especially where he had been planting.
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Speaker 1: He was just trying to finish up before the rain,
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Speaker 1: because there was rain in Lusin that weekend to make
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Speaker 1: sure his crop was in. And I knew because he
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Speaker 1: should have called us all and been like, I finished,
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Speaker 1: it's done. I got it in, you know, and the
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Speaker 1: rain's going to get on it. This is great. And
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Speaker 1: nobody had heard anything since Saturday morning, May twenty eighth,
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Speaker 1: at six fifty one. Am, okay, how are you pinpointing
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Speaker 1: that time? Saturday morning at six fifty one phone records
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Speaker 1: as phone wreckers, yep, okay, And what does that fine
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Speaker 1: wreckerd reveal? So he'd called his talk to his grandmother actually,
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Speaker 1: and she called him and he said, I can't talk,
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Speaker 1: you know, I gotta get my seed truck, my rain truck.
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Speaker 1: He has a ten wheeler full of his trip to
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Speaker 1: kay seed. I got to get it in the shed.
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Speaker 1: It's raining, because you know, the rain will we're in
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Speaker 1: the seed. He had a tarp on it, but it
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Speaker 1: wasn't the best tarp there is hole. So he was
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Speaker 1: just trying to protect his seed and take it to
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Speaker 1: the shop that love a little shed that's five miles
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Speaker 1: away to protect it. And then he said, I'll call
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Speaker 1: you back. And nobody has heard from m section and
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Speaker 1: that was six fifty one am on May twenty eight, correct.
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Speaker 1: And May twenty eight was what day of the week, Saturday,
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Speaker 1: So he was working on Saturday morning before seven am. Correct.
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Speaker 1: Always God, get up, burning, get going. A lot of
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Speaker 1: people don't can't connect with farmers hours. We grew up
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Speaker 1: on farmers hours, so I'm up every day at least
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Speaker 1: at five. But most people are on you know, they
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Speaker 1: revolving around going to school and work. Correct, But it's
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Speaker 1: not typical. It is typical for him to be up
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Speaker 1: very early in the morning, So speaking to his grandmother
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Speaker 1: six fifty one am would have been normal. Correct. And
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Speaker 1: the only time you know, he'd sweep in it'd be
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Speaker 1: if he was up al and hay on that you know,
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Speaker 1: he won't doesn't go to bed till four in the morning.
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Speaker 1: Five in the morning, you know, so he'll sleep till eight.
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Speaker 1: You know. That's a pretty big endeavor for a nineteen
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Speaker 1: year old boy to be running his own farm. How
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Speaker 1: did that happen? So his grandfather and him partnered on
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Speaker 1: this farm where the family farm is with his father's
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Speaker 1: up in eastern Idaho, the Idol Falls area, and ground
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Speaker 1: is just too expensive, so Dylan's always done custom work
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Speaker 1: since he was sixteen, you know, working for farmers. He
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Speaker 1: got a tractor, he got a baylor, he could do
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Speaker 1: custom work, and he's been saving and saving, and so
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Speaker 1: him and his grandfather partnered on this farm so that
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Speaker 1: he could start doing his own the last couple of years.
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Speaker 1: You know, he hauls beat in a semi, a full
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Speaker 1: semi in Idaho, you don't have to have a cdo
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Speaker 1: or be twenty one. He's done that for two years.
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Speaker 1: So he's been constantly saving money, you know, so that
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Speaker 1: he can work towards putting his crop in what is
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Speaker 1: custom work. So that's bailing somebody else's hay hauling some
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Speaker 1: but he else's product swatthing, somebody else's hey also just
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Speaker 1: doing the same exact work, but doing it with your equipment.
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Speaker 1: But it's somebody else's crop, gotcha. But now he's doing
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Speaker 1: his own thing on that landing and his grandfather partner
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Speaker 1: on right. He still does both. So he spent half
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Speaker 1: of the sprain helping the wine cup gamble tear out
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Speaker 1: some ground. He drilled all of their grain to make
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Speaker 1: money to be able to purchase the seat and do
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Speaker 1: everything on his own farm. So he still does both.
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Speaker 1: I mean the kid works all the time. The only
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Speaker 1: time he gets a little bit of free time is
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Speaker 1: a winner when you can't farm to doctor Jerry Crows
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Speaker 1: and joining me psychologist Faculties, Saint Leo University, an author
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Speaker 1: of Operation s O S. Doctor Jerry, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with me. I'm listening to Kendice Coolly. This is
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Speaker 1: Dylan's mom and I'm learning something about him and this
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Speaker 1: is very important to the investigation. And I'll ask Deputy
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Speaker 1: Chief Elwood and Justin Borman to jump in on this.
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Speaker 1: But if you trust somebody to come on your farm
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Speaker 1: and harvest you your crop and tear up your ground aerate,
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Speaker 1: tear up your ground, prepare your ground, bringing the crop,
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Speaker 1: that is a very trustworthy, reliable person. Somebody that's up
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Speaker 1: at four and five in the morning, works till four
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Speaker 1: am bringing in a crop. That tells me this is
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Speaker 1: not like a lot of people that go missing. They're
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Speaker 1: out on the street, they're doing drugs, they're in crack houses,
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Speaker 1: they're at a bar till three o'clock in the morning.
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Speaker 1: You don't know who they're coming in contact with. You
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Speaker 1: see what I mean, This is not a high risk life.
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Speaker 1: It's a hard working life. Somebody trustworthy that people want
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Speaker 1: on their farm. I mean, you got to really trust
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Speaker 1: somebody to have them on your farm, possibly with your
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Speaker 1: equipment and your land and your crop. That's your future.
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Speaker 1: That's your money for the whole next year is that crop.
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Speaker 1: And people will bring this nineteen year old boy in
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Speaker 1: to do a man's work. That's very I tell you
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Speaker 1: what tailby Candice he started. So when Dylan was fourteen thirteen,
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Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen, he was so frustrated because no farmer could
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Speaker 1: hire him because of workman's comp issues in Idaho. So
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Speaker 1: when he turned sixteen, he was so happy. We have
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Speaker 1: a huge potato farmer here named Albert Lockwood, and they
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Speaker 1: hired Dylan at sixteen to come drive a crossover. So
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Speaker 1: your crossover digs a whole bunch of rows of potatoes,
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Speaker 1: puts them into one single row so that the main
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Speaker 1: harvester can come over. You know, you don't have to
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Speaker 1: do so much work. It just cuts down some of
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Speaker 1: the work. That's the pictures of him on the tractor
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Speaker 1: I put on Facebook yesterday, sixteen years old, and you
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Speaker 1: have albertson older gentlemen, late seventies. I'm not exactly sure.
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Speaker 1: You have him who's done potatoes his whole life, saying,
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Speaker 1: this is one of the best operators I've ever had.
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Speaker 1: This kid has it. That wasn't sixteenth Time Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Some people are just born to do a
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Speaker 1: certain thing, and this is what Dylan was born to do.
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Speaker 1: It's in his blood and he's really good at it. So,
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Speaker 1: doctor Jerry, that's telling me a lot about where is Dylan.
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Speaker 1: It's not that he's out in some bar, getting beaten
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Speaker 1: up in a parking lot, or overdosing in drugs, on
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Speaker 1: drugs and an alley. That's not what has happened. No,
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Speaker 1: not at all. You know, I'm a behaviorist and we
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Speaker 1: always say if you want to predict future behavior, you
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Speaker 1: have to know past behavior. And look at his last
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Speaker 1: three years. I mean, he is a very diligent, dedicated worker.
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Speaker 1: He's very organizing. He's got a schedule, he sticks to it,
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Speaker 1: even the time his free time he's gone to visit friends,
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Speaker 1: and he's back to be able to work that's right
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Speaker 1: in the morning. So you know, for him all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden to be removed from that schedule, there had
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Speaker 1: to be an outside force to remove him. You're hearing
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Speaker 1: the voice of doctor Jerry Cross and and Dylan's mother,
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Speaker 1: Kennis Cooley. Now take a listen to Emily Tensor. The
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Speaker 1: Box Elder County Sheriff's Department and Weeber County Fire and
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Speaker 1: Rescue search the area last week, along with helicopters, a plane,
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Speaker 1: and search parties on foot, hvs and horses. They call
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Speaker 1: off the search Box Elder because they were ninety five
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Speaker 1: percent sure there's nothing no sign of Dylan out in
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Speaker 1: the three by five mile area. His boots were found
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Speaker 1: five miles west of his camper. I'll never forget to
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Speaker 1: look on Kansas's face. I can only imagine what I
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Speaker 1: looked like when we saw those boots. Each day is
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Speaker 1: agony for his family who live all the way up
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Speaker 1: in Idaho. They're offering a twenty thousand dollars reward to
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Speaker 1: bring Dylan home. I just came back today just to
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Speaker 1: kind of poke around because I can't hardly leave here.
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Speaker 1: At twenty thousand is burning a hole in my pocket.
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Speaker 1: I want to spend it today. If you know anything
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Speaker 1: about Dylan's disappearance, his family is begging you to call police.
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Speaker 1: He's five to ten ways around one hundred and sixty
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Speaker 1: pounds with brown hair and brown eyes. We gotta find
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Speaker 1: this boy. This is such a good, good boy. You
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Speaker 1: don't believe me. Take a listen to Dave Mack Crime online.
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Speaker 1: Dylan Rounds has been a farmer since he was a
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Speaker 1: little boy. From the time he could walk, he would
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Speaker 1: try to keep up with his dad and grandpa as
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Speaker 1: they worked outside. Dylan could drive a tractor by himself
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Speaker 1: before most kids his age could ride a bike. When
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Speaker 1: he was ten years old, Dylan was growing pumpkin patches
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Speaker 1: in sweetcorn to sell. Citizens of the Rigby community knew
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Speaker 1: every summer there would be Dylan sweetcorn for sale under
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Speaker 1: the County Line overpass. Dylan attended Brigby High School and
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Speaker 1: began farming grain a few years ago in the desert
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Speaker 1: town of Loosen, Utah, near the Utah Nevada border. And
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Speaker 1: you know a lot of people Dylan's age, we'll get
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Speaker 1: excited about the game that Friday night or something happening
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Speaker 1: in there's social yeah, and Dylan go ahead. He never
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Speaker 1: did any that. He wasn't. He wasn't the football game kid.
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Speaker 1: He wasn't. He didn't socialize in any of that. I
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Speaker 1: mean Dylan. It worked out perfect for Dylan because he
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Speaker 1: was doing online school so he could farm, and then
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Speaker 1: COVID hit and he was the right age that he
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Speaker 1: could drop out because he was working. So Dylan drew.
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Speaker 1: I mean, and yes, his father and I didn't like
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Speaker 1: the fact that he dropped out, But the fact of
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Speaker 1: the matter is there was no stopping the kid. There
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Speaker 1: was no stopping him. There was nothing we could do
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Speaker 1: to stop him from going to farm. That's all he
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Speaker 1: wanted to do. He also, you take a kid who
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Speaker 1: doesn't even know how to play video games in his generation,
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Speaker 1: and that summed it all up. Wow, doesn't know how
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Speaker 1: to play video games. That really does summon up what
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Speaker 1: would make Dylan Rounds happy? This team boy take a
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Speaker 1: listen to Dave Mattcrime online dot com. Dylan lives by
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Speaker 1: himself and a camper trailer on a remote piece of
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Speaker 1: land in Loosen. Family members last heard from him when
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Speaker 1: he called his grandmother the morning of Saturday, May twenty eighth.
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Speaker 1: Dylan had been busy getting his crops in and was
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Speaker 1: really excited about recent rain, but a little down because
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Speaker 1: the rain prevented him from getting all of the planting done.
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Speaker 1: With the rain, putting a damper on his farming activity.
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Speaker 1: Dylan drove thirty miles to the town of Montello, Nevada,
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Speaker 1: where he was seen on a Royal Day weekend. When
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Speaker 1: family members realized Dylan had not been in contact since
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Speaker 1: he spoke to his grandmother, they began trying to get
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Speaker 1: in touch with him. Failing that, the family went to
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Speaker 1: the farm and immediately called law enforcement for help. Joining
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Speaker 1: me right now, special guests Nate Eton, our friendly colleague
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Speaker 1: and news director of East Idaho News dot com. You
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Speaker 1: can find him on Twitter at Nate news Now. Nate,
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Speaker 1: start at the beginning, don't leave anything out. Well. As
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Speaker 1: Candace said, the seals started when Dylan spoke with his
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Speaker 1: grandmother that Saturday morning. You said, I gotta get gotta
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Speaker 1: get off the phone so that I can get this
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Speaker 1: set in. And then by Monday morning, when the family
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Speaker 1: had not heard anything from him, they drove to the farm.
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Speaker 1: What's interesting is when I spoke with Candice the other day, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: Dylan's pickup truck was still there, but it appeared as
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Speaker 1: if it had been pressure washed. It was clean, but
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Speaker 1: it had been raining and it was muddy in that area.
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Speaker 1: So somehow that truck got clean and was left there
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Speaker 1: right outside of Dylan's camp camp or where he was sleeping.
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Speaker 1: I don't like that. And Candice Coolly, I hear you
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Speaker 1: jumping in. Guys, this is Dylan's mother and we are
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Speaker 1: begging you for help finding Dylan. She's saying that the
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Speaker 1: truck looked pressure washed, and I just, Candas say that
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Speaker 1: there were no tracks, and you think there would have
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Speaker 1: been since it had been rainy. But also tell me
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Speaker 1: about the seat position. A lot of you may remember
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Speaker 1: the Tara Grinstead case, this gorgeous teacher down in South
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Speaker 1: Georgia who goes missing. Well, one thing that jumped out
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Speaker 1: at me when we first learned Tara's missing. I was
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Speaker 1: talking to her mother about it was that her seat
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Speaker 1: position was not where she would have had. It was
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Speaker 1: way back. Like when I'm five to one, when I
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Speaker 1: get in the car and my husband, who was six
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Speaker 1: to three has been in the car. I have to
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Speaker 1: push it up right, same thing here, right, Candas Cooley, Yes,
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Speaker 1: exact same thing. And I am for eleven and Dylan
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Speaker 1: is between five ten and five eleven, and he is
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Speaker 1: all late. His seat is all the way back, his
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Speaker 1: steering was up, and it was I could drive it.
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Speaker 1: I could have comfortably drove it without movies the seats,
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Speaker 1: So that's not right at all. And there were no
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Speaker 1: tracks behind the pickup. It was muddy when myself and
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Speaker 1: my husband Just and his father and our daughter Brooklyn
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Speaker 1: pulled in. We left tracks on Monday. Still, if that
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Speaker 1: pickup would have moved Saturday, there would have been tracks. Also,
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Speaker 1: there's no footprint anywhere around that camper. And we were
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Speaker 1: told the two gentlemen that worked with Dylan were well.
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Speaker 1: The one helped him off and on went out to
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Speaker 1: the farm too fine. Dylan walked around the pickup, walked
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Speaker 1: around the camper, tried to you know what's going on?
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Speaker 1: Why didn't they leave footprints? We were leaving footprints on Monday.
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Speaker 1: You know. Kurt Nermie joining me as you know him,
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Speaker 1: a renowned defense attorney, cast member Radical Body Transformation Season three,
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Speaker 1: Amazon Prime, and author of Trap with miss Arius. You
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Speaker 1: will remember him from defending jaud Arius. Kurt Nermie, I'm
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Speaker 1: not holding that against you. Isn't it true? How one detail,
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Speaker 1: like we're talking about his truck, you can learn so
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Speaker 1: much from one piece of evidence, Kurt Army. Yeah, you know, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: when I think about this truck and the possible pressure
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Speaker 1: washering and the movement of the seat. I wonder about
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Speaker 1: how far it travels. Did somebody have to buy gas
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Speaker 1: in order to get this vehicle around? How many gas
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Speaker 1: stations are there in town? Have they been looking one?
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Speaker 1: Have these workers been questioned? So there's not too many
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Speaker 1: people in this circle. You know, this is an industrious
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Speaker 1: young man, passionate about his farming. He's not going to
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Speaker 1: be distracted by too much. And we know that he
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Speaker 1: had these two workers, and it appears from what my
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Speaker 1: understanding is, none of these people have been questioned that.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if the gas station, if there's footage,
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Speaker 1: what have you, But there should be some follow up
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Speaker 1: on those things because those practical things that stem from
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Speaker 1: the truck. Where was it? Pressure wash? Is there a
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Speaker 1: car wash somewhere? Did somebody have? All these things need
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Speaker 1: to be looked at. No, there's no car Montea was
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Speaker 1: a town of two hundred people in the Millinois. Dylan
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Speaker 1: has a pressure washer on his farm for his equipment. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so it could have been that. Guys, we're talking about
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Speaker 1: the disappearance of a teen boy Dylan rounds Now. The
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Speaker 1: first thing I would be considering, and I'm going to
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Speaker 1: go out to you. Justin Boorman, former Special Victims Unit detective,
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Speaker 1: author of I Was Wrong, Investigator's battle cry for change
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Speaker 1: within the Special Victims Unit. Justin, I want to look
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Speaker 1: at his circle, who knows him, who would he be with,
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Speaker 1: and let me understand something Nate Eton East, Idaho News
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Speaker 1: dot com. Was he seen by anyone after he spoke
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Speaker 1: to the grandmother at six fifty one a m Saturday
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Speaker 1: five twenty eight, So police are saying that the cell
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Speaker 1: phone from that phone call was pinging on his farm.
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Speaker 1: But he actually his last visible scene, last time somebody
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Speaker 1: physically saw him was in the bat about thirty miles
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Speaker 1: away before or after the phone call. That was before
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Speaker 1: the phone call was okay, Canada, all right, So he
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Speaker 1: was thirty miles away in Nevada before the phone calls
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Speaker 1: to The last positive location is on his farm based
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Speaker 1: on the ping to his grandma six fifty one am
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Speaker 1: Saturday morning, five twenty eight, he's working, okay, Justin jump in, yes, ma'am.
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Speaker 1: So you know, one of the things that I certainly
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Speaker 1: would have focused on would have been some of the forensics,
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Speaker 1: of course, swabbing the gears right. That would certainly been
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Speaker 1: something that still could be done. Why box Elder has
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Speaker 1: not done a lot of that. Let me let me
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Speaker 1: tell you real quick, box Elder. Let us take the
20:44
Speaker 1: pickup home two hundred and fifty miles away. They allowed
20:47
Speaker 1: us to take the pickup home Sunday without processing it fits.
20:54
Speaker 1: They never touched the pickup. And I've got that message
20:57
Speaker 1: from the detective thing, can we take the pickup home?
20:59
Speaker 1: You need it, It's yours, do whatever you want with it.
21:02
Speaker 1: They processed nothing guy, not the pickup, not the Green Trust,
21:06
Speaker 1: not the campers, nothing. The boots didn't even make it
21:08
Speaker 1: to the lab. We found them Monday, May thirties. The
21:11
Speaker 1: boots did not even make it to the lab until
21:13
Speaker 1: Monday May six. When I was told on Thursday, Jean
21:16
Speaker 1: second they were at the lab. I was like to
21:18
Speaker 1: buy the detective nothing got processed. Some stuff could still
21:23
Speaker 1: be possibly found. You know another thing that thought that
21:26
Speaker 1: I had, as far as search and rescue is concerned,
21:29
Speaker 1: I also was in a police department that searched that
21:34
Speaker 1: area on a case of missing victim Susan Powell. And
21:39
Speaker 1: we have GPS coordinances of every home on the ground
21:43
Speaker 1: out there. We have detectives. They were out there for
21:46
Speaker 1: two and a half years full time MAPP in that area,
21:50
Speaker 1: and so they would have and since that's an open case,
21:53
Speaker 1: now you should be able to get bad information for
21:57
Speaker 1: a search and rescue as well. Time stories with Nancy Grace,
22:19
Speaker 1: you were hearing from Justin Boardman that there is a
22:22
Speaker 1: chance to still properly process the items that have not
22:27
Speaker 1: been processed by law enforcement. I'm talking specifically about the vehicle,
22:33
Speaker 1: but what about the boots. Take a listen to our
22:36
Speaker 1: cut eight. And then we were since told by detectives
22:39
Speaker 1: that there was a spot of blood on the boots,
22:42
Speaker 1: then they were being sent to the lab. And this
22:44
Speaker 1: was on Wednesday, Wednesday or Thursday. But after that afterday
22:49
Speaker 1: that Saturday, so the boots were found Monday, then we
22:52
Speaker 1: were told this. Then we found out from detectives and
22:54
Speaker 1: boots had not been sent to the lab. And this
22:57
Speaker 1: was on Saturday when they came back out that they
22:59
Speaker 1: were being in case of cadaver dogs needed him, which
23:02
Speaker 1: cadaver dogs do not need a scent, they search for
23:06
Speaker 1: human roomains. So the boots just didn't get sent in
23:08
Speaker 1: okay to John Ellwood, Deputy Chief Manatee County Search and
23:12
Speaker 1: Rescue and you can find them at Manatee County SAAR
23:16
Speaker 1: dot org. John Ellwood, what should we be doing right now?
23:20
Speaker 1: That's a great question. And listening to missus Cooley and
23:25
Speaker 1: again my family's prayers to you and your family that
23:29
Speaker 1: once where the pickup truck was. If they were able
23:32
Speaker 1: to obtain a scent article, something that Dylan had worn,
23:37
Speaker 1: you could use a tracking dog to see if you
23:39
Speaker 1: could determine the direction of travel. If you could at
23:42
Speaker 1: least get a direction of travel, then you might have
23:44
Speaker 1: an area of where you would be inclined to search.
23:48
Speaker 1: Somebody mentioned earlier about cadaver dogs. Caldaver dogs don't work
23:52
Speaker 1: off of a scent article like tracking dogs do. Go ahead, Nancy,
23:54
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I believe that was Kenni's Cooley. Miss Cooley,
23:57
Speaker 1: are you jumping in? Yeah? So I agree with that
24:00
Speaker 1: we needed a scent dog. I actually breed bloodhounds for
24:04
Speaker 1: part of my living, and I called in to talk
24:07
Speaker 1: to people I knew with them to bring them in.
24:10
Speaker 1: Here is the problem. Now, by time we could have
24:13
Speaker 1: got dogs there, they had no interest in having the
24:16
Speaker 1: bloodhounds there. They said there is too much rain. Blah
24:19
Speaker 1: blah blass. Now it's gone. There is absolutely no chance
24:25
Speaker 1: after having over three to four hundred people crawl all
24:27
Speaker 1: over that a bloodhound is going to find Dylan's scent
24:31
Speaker 1: and follow it somewhere. It's not going to happen. Too
24:35
Speaker 1: much time has lost, too many people have been there,
24:37
Speaker 1: and at poured rain again yesterday. Kurry Nerman, you're hearing
24:40
Speaker 1: what is being said about bloodhounds and the ability to
24:44
Speaker 1: track a cent. But as you will recall, in the
24:49
Speaker 1: Scott Peterson case, a tracker dog tracked Lacy Peterson from
24:54
Speaker 1: her home on Cavina all the way to the San
24:57
Speaker 1: Francisco Bay, and it had been raining, and there have
25:01
Speaker 1: been cars over where, many mini cars, between the time
25:08
Speaker 1: Lacy was taken, her body was taken, and the time
25:13
Speaker 1: the tracker dog got going. I mean it can be done.
25:18
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's rained. I have had accelerant
25:21
Speaker 1: dogs find accelerant underwater. Okay, So I would not rule
25:26
Speaker 1: out using a tracker dog now, Kirk Narmy, because I've
25:30
Speaker 1: seen it done. No, I wouldn't rule out anything at all.
25:33
Speaker 1: Going back to what was said about the pickup truck,
25:35
Speaker 1: I'd be trying to pull everything I could off that
25:37
Speaker 1: pickup truck and using the dogs as best they could,
25:40
Speaker 1: because it's worth a shot. Every effort should be extended,
25:43
Speaker 1: no matter how improbable. Yes, And speaking of the search
25:48
Speaker 1: from an unlikely source, the Diesel brothers, I'm sure you've
25:52
Speaker 1: seen them on Discovery have joined the search for Dylan.
25:57
Speaker 1: Listen kind of with you guys's eyes and SKay watch.
26:00
Speaker 1: Firstly turned up dirt. I mean, you guys know what
26:02
Speaker 1: to look for, just any disturbance that shouldn't be there.
26:06
Speaker 1: Desert's pretty much all the same. So yeah, so that
26:09
Speaker 1: way we'll find Yeah, basically just a trailer at cam trailer,
26:13
Speaker 1: you'll see the pivot his pickup. There's all kinds of equipment.
26:17
Speaker 1: Yeah you can't Yeah, yeah, it's all of his stuff's
26:19
Speaker 1: out there straight through. You see that dirt pile. Yeah,
26:23
Speaker 1: his boots were just tossed out right behind that, and
26:26
Speaker 1: there was nothing else around him, know them nothing? Yeah, Yeah.
26:30
Speaker 1: Were they on the far side of the wind in
26:32
Speaker 1: the road so you wouldn't see them from the road.
26:34
Speaker 1: And that's all you guys have found so far. Yeah,
26:36
Speaker 1: we have nothing else. And they, like said Search and Rescue,
26:39
Speaker 1: they were out here the first night I got here,
26:41
Speaker 1: what maybe five They didn't even take off and looking
26:44
Speaker 1: until seven thirty. Then they build and then they came
26:47
Speaker 1: back maybe six hours that day, and then they said
26:50
Speaker 1: we're calling it and nail it. Okay, let me understand something,
26:52
Speaker 1: Nate eight, And you're hearing theyd Sol brothers talking to
26:56
Speaker 1: Dylan's mom. But is that correct? After six hours on
27:00
Speaker 1: the same law enforcement just left. They didn't process the vehicle,
27:05
Speaker 1: we don't know about the boots, and they haven't called
27:07
Speaker 1: in search or cadaver dogs. Yeah, their families continually run
27:10
Speaker 1: into these issues with law enforcement. The fact that we're
27:15
Speaker 1: talking about two jurisdictions here, one in Utah, one in
27:17
Speaker 1: Nevada with a border down the middle, and of course
27:19
Speaker 1: there's jurisdictional issues over who has the rights to this
27:22
Speaker 1: and that. And from the sounds of that canvas, it
27:25
Speaker 1: sounds like you're getting helped from the Nevada side, But
27:27
Speaker 1: the Utah side, where Dylan actually lived, where this camper was,
27:30
Speaker 1: where the boots were found, where the truck was, where
27:32
Speaker 1: all of his property was, it sounds like they're just
27:35
Speaker 1: hitting wall after wall. Correct. So Utah has told me
27:39
Speaker 1: multiple times that Nevada will do what Nevada if Nevada
27:43
Speaker 1: wants to come to Like basically, we're not you know,
27:47
Speaker 1: we're not reaching out to Nevada. What I since found
27:50
Speaker 1: out is I met on Friday. I sat with for
27:54
Speaker 1: some Nevada detectives, a sergeant, and even the sheriff himself
27:57
Speaker 1: for almost five hours, and I went through the case
28:01
Speaker 1: from top to bottom. We started with everything. They have
28:04
Speaker 1: reached out to Utah multiple times. Where do you want
28:08
Speaker 1: to see deploy where do you want searching? Mast you,
28:09
Speaker 1: We're in this with you. Utah has been the one
28:12
Speaker 1: that has declined the help. Utah has not accepted and say, hey,
28:17
Speaker 1: come help us find this kid. You know, and we're talking,
28:20
Speaker 1: we're talking two weeks now today, two weeks, fourteen days
28:23
Speaker 1: we've been out there searching. They've had one, two, three,
28:27
Speaker 1: and then said four or four or five of those
28:29
Speaker 1: days they've had people out there searching. Is all, Well,
28:31
Speaker 1: can you tell me Nate eight about the possibility that
28:34
Speaker 1: somebody has him and wants ransom? Well, that was the
28:37
Speaker 1: original called the family made in order to get law
28:39
Speaker 1: enforcement involved. I believe it was Dylan's father who called
28:43
Speaker 1: the sheriff. Propperson said this according to the police too,
28:46
Speaker 1: that they got a call to go to Elko, Nevada,
28:49
Speaker 1: that someone was being held hostage. And you know, in
28:53
Speaker 1: the beginning, there were some thoughts that there was this
28:55
Speaker 1: man that Dylan met in the middle of nowhere who
28:58
Speaker 1: asked him for a ride, who has a suspicious criminal background.
29:02
Speaker 1: There were some there was some finger pointing that maybe
29:04
Speaker 1: this guy might know something. But Candice has actually spoken
29:08
Speaker 1: with this man, Keith, in custody in Utah in a facility,
29:11
Speaker 1: and they believe that he probably doesn't have anything to
29:14
Speaker 1: do with Dylan's disappearance. But fingers were pointed at him.
29:19
Speaker 1: You know, from the beginning, sounds like that's not so
29:21
Speaker 1: much anymore. Okay, what can you tell me about the
29:24
Speaker 1: ransom call to Candice? It was not a ransom called
29:27
Speaker 1: this is what happened. One of the local citizens of
29:31
Speaker 1: Montello called me on Tuesday, the second day in the search,
29:35
Speaker 1: and said they're holding Dylan's hostage and basically he might
29:40
Speaker 1: still be alive or not, and they give us a
29:42
Speaker 1: specific location. And so that is when Justin called. So
29:47
Speaker 1: I talked to this this guy three times. So we
29:50
Speaker 1: all hold butt into Montello, not Elco, is in Montello.
29:54
Speaker 1: So Justin call's Utah, Utah detective and they say, well,
29:58
Speaker 1: that's in Nevada. It's not us. You need to call Nevada.
30:03
Speaker 1: So Justin told them, if you don't get somebody out here,
30:05
Speaker 1: I'm going to take it into my own hands. So
30:10
Speaker 1: detective from Utah called Nevada. I called nine one into ELKO.
30:16
Speaker 1: I tell them what's going on. So ELKO sends out
30:19
Speaker 1: six deputies. We're furious, we're frustrated. We think our son's
30:24
Speaker 1: right down. The bosses. These local people are telling us
30:27
Speaker 1: they got them, they got them, they chased in this
30:29
Speaker 1: other day, they got them. They're holding them hostage, they're
30:31
Speaker 1: beating them, they're you know, they're telling us all their stuff.
30:34
Speaker 1: And but what Elko did not know when I called
30:38
Speaker 1: in is that my son was missing because Utah never
30:42
Speaker 1: told them. So let me understand, miss Cooley, there was
30:47
Speaker 1: no ransom call. Correct, Then where did that even come from?
30:52
Speaker 1: I have no clue. If you go back to all
30:54
Speaker 1: my interviews, I never said that. I said we got
30:57
Speaker 1: a call saying Don was being held high right, who
31:01
Speaker 1: has never came out of that that your son is
31:04
Speaker 1: being held The guy's name is Kurt. Kurt calls me.
31:07
Speaker 1: Kurt did work for Dylan, so we can clarify this
31:10
Speaker 1: and people can understand that is his name. Kurt called
31:14
Speaker 1: called me and said, Chase and this other guy have Dylan.
31:19
Speaker 1: Who is in this house. Who is Chase? Chase is
31:22
Speaker 1: the guy that Dylan had picked up in the middle
31:25
Speaker 1: of the desert from Wednesday, the twenty fifth that we
31:27
Speaker 1: had as a person of interest, the one that is
31:29
Speaker 1: now in the Utah jail on unrelated charges. Okay, got it.
31:34
Speaker 1: So Kurt tells you, Chase and this other gentleman have Dylan.
31:43
Speaker 1: They're holding him hostage in this other gentleman's house. He
31:47
Speaker 1: may or may not be alive, and they've beating him.
31:50
Speaker 1: He's all over the board. But at this point we're
31:54
Speaker 1: still looking for Chase actively, you know, trying to find him.
31:57
Speaker 1: So I hang up the phone with Kurt. He calls
32:00
Speaker 1: me back ten minutes later. He goes through it again.
32:03
Speaker 1: He's like, and he may be at this house or
32:06
Speaker 1: maybe at this house, but we're watching this house and
32:08
Speaker 1: we know they have dealts. We know they have dealings.
32:11
Speaker 1: That's what I'm told. So Justin and I get on
32:14
Speaker 1: the phone with him. We hit the same story. They
32:16
Speaker 1: got Dylan, they took feeling. So that's when we haul
32:20
Speaker 1: but into Montello, and that's when the nine one one
32:23
Speaker 1: call came in two elko that I said, they have
32:27
Speaker 1: my son. He's being held hostage. We need somebody out
32:30
Speaker 1: there now. So when they did send they, like I said,
32:33
Speaker 1: they sent six people. But when they got there and
32:37
Speaker 1: they went to this other person's house, Chase was nowhere
32:41
Speaker 1: around the other person. The other gentleman allowed them to
32:45
Speaker 1: search the vehicles, the house, the property, the shift, absolutely everything.
32:49
Speaker 1: There was nothing Kurt lied to us. Why. I don't know.
32:53
Speaker 1: That's a really good question right there, right there, Deputy
32:58
Speaker 1: Chief Managing County Searcher Rescue John Ellwood, Right there, that's
33:02
Speaker 1: the problem. Why would you call a missing kids mom
33:07
Speaker 1: and say your son's being held over here when he's
33:11
Speaker 1: not right there? Why that's who we need to key
33:15
Speaker 1: in on. Sure. The question I would ask is when
33:19
Speaker 1: Candice received this phone call. Was it before the news
33:22
Speaker 1: story about her son's disappearance or after? What about it? Candice?
33:27
Speaker 1: Before and after? It was for? It was before? What's
33:31
Speaker 1: your point, John Ellwood? Then that to me would add
33:33
Speaker 1: more credence to the claim that Dylan's being held hostage.
33:38
Speaker 1: They were okay and I in crazy land because they
33:42
Speaker 1: went to the location and he was not being held
33:45
Speaker 1: hostage there. There's no credence to the hostage situation because
33:49
Speaker 1: that's not true. Kirk Narmy with me, high profile lawyer
33:53
Speaker 1: Kirk right there. The acquaintance Kirk who had worked for
34:01
Speaker 1: Dylan Rounds calls in with this information. I mean, let's
34:05
Speaker 1: get real, Kirk. We've got to look at his circle
34:08
Speaker 1: of acquaintances. He's there on his farm at six fifty
34:11
Speaker 1: one am. That's where he calls his grandma. He's not
34:14
Speaker 1: seen or heard from since. This has got to be
34:18
Speaker 1: someone within his circle. The phone pings there, wasn't the
34:23
Speaker 1: phone found there, Nate Eton. They have not found his
34:26
Speaker 1: phone or his wallet. No phone, no what Thank you
34:29
Speaker 1: for telling me that his boots are not far away.
34:32
Speaker 1: The phone pings from there. Somebody took him from there,
34:39
Speaker 1: dead or alive. Somebody took him from there, Kirk Nurmi.
34:43
Speaker 1: And it's got to be somebody that would be out
34:46
Speaker 1: on the farm and box elder, you bet, Nancy. That's
34:50
Speaker 1: why my first my first stop would be the two
34:53
Speaker 1: people that work for him as well, as this chase
34:56
Speaker 1: person is in Kusty, he would be being interrogated. But
34:59
Speaker 1: also now we have this tip, even though it's false,
35:02
Speaker 1: this idea that someone called in before the police reports,
35:06
Speaker 1: before it hit the media, to say that he's being
35:08
Speaker 1: held hostage. What is this person doing? What is their
35:11
Speaker 1: true motive? Are they exploring? Are they trying to find
35:14
Speaker 1: out what's going on with the investigation. So I'd be
35:17
Speaker 1: having the pilotice look at Kurt. What about this Kurt Nermi?
35:22
Speaker 1: What if cops are not doing the deputies are not
35:26
Speaker 1: doing what they should be doing. They didn't take in
35:30
Speaker 1: the vehicle, the truck, they didn't process it, they haven't
35:35
Speaker 1: processed his camper. They couldn't find his keys, his key fobs.
35:43
Speaker 1: They're not doing what you would normally expect law enforcement
35:46
Speaker 1: to do. So what do we do now? Can she
35:50
Speaker 1: Candice Cooley get in touch with the fans or do
35:53
Speaker 1: we have to wait for authorities in Loose and Utah
35:56
Speaker 1: to do it? I think she can. I think programs
35:59
Speaker 1: like this help getting people involved. It maybe can process
36:02
Speaker 1: the truck. Doing everything that they can to make up
36:05
Speaker 1: for the evidence that was lost needs to be done.
36:09
Speaker 1: Anything possible, any law enforcement agency that can get involved
36:13
Speaker 1: with this, Bureau of Land Management, Nevada authorities, what have you.
36:17
Speaker 1: Jurisdiction doesn't matter, humanity matters here and they should be
36:20
Speaker 1: doing everything they can. But can it Does it actually
36:23
Speaker 1: work that way to you? Justin boardman, Can you pick
36:27
Speaker 1: up the phone and call the FBI in as a
36:31
Speaker 1: civilian or do we need local police to do it?
36:34
Speaker 1: You can certainly try an attempt to do that. There's
36:38
Speaker 1: also other means to shake that law enforcement tree if
36:42
Speaker 1: you will in Utah, which I've done many times for others,
36:47
Speaker 1: But there's you can still go to the state police.
36:51
Speaker 1: You can do a lot of different things like that.
36:54
Speaker 1: So when you say, say the state police, are you
36:56
Speaker 1: talking about, for instance, the Utah AG's attorney General, I'm
37:00
Speaker 1: talking more about the Utah Department of Public Safety and
37:07
Speaker 1: going through them and their investigators. They don't have a
37:10
Speaker 1: lot either, but they certainly have more political clout if
37:16
Speaker 1: you will, to pressure some things. They also have their
37:21
Speaker 1: own crime lab people that will respond out and process.
37:25
Speaker 1: They've got all of the bells and whistles. You know
37:28
Speaker 1: what's interesting, kenn is cool. I want to go back
37:30
Speaker 1: to the boots, isn't it true? Your son always wears
37:34
Speaker 1: the same kind of boots, the same pair of boots,
37:37
Speaker 1: and when that pair wears out, he gets another pair
37:41
Speaker 1: just like him. It's not like he's out wearing a
37:44
Speaker 1: different pair of shoes. These are his work boots care
37:46
Speaker 1: had on that day. Yes, And can I just touch
37:49
Speaker 1: on what you were saying about the health and public safety? Yes,
37:52
Speaker 1: So the commissioner actually reached out to Justin and my
37:55
Speaker 1: own Saturday to find out what the heck is going on,
37:58
Speaker 1: and they have reached out to us. We should know
38:01
Speaker 1: more tomorrow or today. Of course it was on a Saturday,
38:04
Speaker 1: so but after the coverage and seeing what's going on,
38:07
Speaker 1: he did personally reach out to it's the governor of
38:09
Speaker 1: Utah told him too, we really need your help because
38:15
Speaker 1: nobody seemingly is helping this mother find her boy. Please
38:21
Speaker 1: do what you can to help find him, for instance,
38:25
Speaker 1: calling the Public Safety Commissioner Anderson at eight zero one
38:31
Speaker 1: five eight zero five nine two eight repeat eight O
38:36
Speaker 1: one five eight zero five nine two eight, or the
38:40
Speaker 1: Governor of Utah. You can call him toll free at
38:43
Speaker 1: eight hundred seven O five two four six four repeat
38:47
Speaker 1: eight hundred seven O five two four to six four.
38:52
Speaker 1: Let your voice be heard. Don't make Candice Cooley go
38:56
Speaker 1: through this by herself. Help her. I don't know where
39:01
Speaker 1: Dylan is, but I know this. I want action. I
39:05
Speaker 1: want to see something happening. I want that processed. I
39:09
Speaker 1: want scent dogs, tracker dogs out at the scene. I
39:13
Speaker 1: want his camper processed. His phone hasn't been found, Has
39:18
Speaker 1: it been pained? Don't know. That's what we need to
39:22
Speaker 1: be doing now. Has this ATM or credit card has
39:25
Speaker 1: been used? If somebody take his wallet for that reason,
39:28
Speaker 1: who are his closest friends, who works for him, who
39:32
Speaker 1: would have been around him out in that remote area
39:36
Speaker 1: where he farms. We need help in finding this teen
39:41
Speaker 1: boy who loves the land, who was in touch with
39:45
Speaker 1: his mother, his grandparents or his father every single day,
39:49
Speaker 1: one of them would hear from him. But the scent
39:52
Speaker 1: has gone cold. We can't find him. We don't know
39:56
Speaker 1: where he is. Nate Eden, I understand that there was
39:59
Speaker 1: a search just in the last forty eight hours. Let
40:02
Speaker 1: me go to Candas Kolly on that. I know she
40:04
Speaker 1: was there working. Candice, where did you search and what
40:08
Speaker 1: if anything did you find? So we we focused on
40:11
Speaker 1: the Nevada side this time and Elko County Sheriff's was great.
40:15
Speaker 1: The actual sheriff was out with us, the lieutenant. They
40:17
Speaker 1: helped us organize everything has mapped. It was a very
40:21
Speaker 1: good search. We were looking for a particular bunker. We
40:27
Speaker 1: did find that, so that was really good. We found
40:30
Speaker 1: that we were able to clear that there was a
40:33
Speaker 1: couple other areas that a bunker. What do you mean
40:35
Speaker 1: by a bunker. So these people out there are the
40:39
Speaker 1: anti government prepping for the end of the world. They
40:44
Speaker 1: they have bunkers. So this particular one is a Senx
40:49
Speaker 1: you know, shipping container into the side of a mountain. Okay,
40:53
Speaker 1: So you search that area, including this bunker at to
40:57
Speaker 1: know about guys. There is a twenty thousand dollar reward
41:03
Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars if you have information on Dylan Round's
41:08
Speaker 1: nineteen year old boy. We are joining his mother today
41:12
Speaker 1: begging for your help. The tipline four three five seven
41:17
Speaker 1: three four thirty eight hundred repeat four three five seven
41:23
Speaker 1: three four thirty eight hundred help us bring Dylan home.
41:29
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, goodbye friend,