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Patriots Unfiltered 12/28: Previewing the Dolphins, Wednesday Practice Report, NFL Notes · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: It's Wednesday here at Gillette Stadium, getting ready for the
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  Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins, and uh two remains in concussion. Oh he's out,
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  Speaker 1: Oh he is, Yeah, McDaniel announced the Okay, he did
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  Speaker 1: have a concussion. Okay, had a concussion. He has a concussion,
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  Speaker 1: and so he's Teddy Bridgewater will start, Teddy two gloves.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wait a minute, could you just said he's out
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  Speaker 1: of protocol. No, he's out, he's out. Teddy Bridgewater will start. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: because I was confused, Daniel. I just saw that he
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  Speaker 1: remained in protocol and maybe you had an he had
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  Speaker 1: No McDaniel said he has a concussion, and Teddy Bridgewater
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  Speaker 1: will start. Okay, you know, always works stuff. Let's hope.
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  Speaker 1: So this is their jam though, I mean, no quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: let's go. I would expect the Dolphins to lose by
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and twelve points because they had you know,
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  Speaker 1: the stupidity of actually saying it on Wednesday. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how you can play a game when well, now
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna just prepare for Teddy Bridgewater and we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: be completely ready for them, correct, right, that's why we're
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  Speaker 1: out in the field. It moved out to the field today.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of interesting practice. Yeah, in the stadium, practice in
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  Speaker 1: the bowl. Um. Any thoughts on that, No, I have
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  Speaker 1: not not one. No, No, I'll let you guys fight it.
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  Speaker 1: Usually it's a Friday thing you get close to the
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  Speaker 1: end of the season. I feel like they do the
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  Speaker 1: last walk through. Um, but I don't know. I think
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  Speaker 1: usually Wednesdays are like first second down days where it's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of like that that kind of stuff you're
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  Speaker 1: putting in and tomorrow's like third down, red zone that
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  Speaker 1: kind of stuff. It could be just a field maintenance
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  Speaker 1: thing on the practice fields because I noticed, like a
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  Speaker 1: couple weeks ago, I went out and they had like
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  Speaker 1: these lights that are on a grid and they were
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  Speaker 1: actually heating up a section of the grass that they
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  Speaker 1: were trying to grow on the lower practice field. Nice
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  Speaker 1: supposed to Yeah, you can put Jesus out of it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: growing grass out there with that was going on. So maybe,
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  Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's just a field maintenance thing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, maybe things got torn up because of the
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  Speaker 1: you know, the quick freeze that we had and now
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  Speaker 1: they're trying to recover from that or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I you know, like you think, oh, what's this,
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  Speaker 1: you know, competitive reason and it could be like something
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  Speaker 1: as simple as that. You know, field Boyd took a
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  Speaker 1: dump on the field. They couldn't paint it up fast enough, right,
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  Speaker 1: he's the dog. Just you know, it's not we don't
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  Speaker 1: have better than the team on the field yesterday. He's
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  Speaker 1: just rude. Yeah, very very rude. Means yes, I am.
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  Speaker 1: As we were waiting for Bill here to kick us
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  Speaker 1: off on our on our Wednesday. It does. We'll go
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  Speaker 1: to him, see what the initial questions are about, see
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  Speaker 1: if there's anything of interest, and if if not, then
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  Speaker 1: we'll come right back to the show. But was preparing
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  Speaker 1: for Teddy Bridgewater playing change their offense and make all
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  Speaker 1: the throws. But both gloves a lot of experience in
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  Speaker 1: the league. He's won in this league. Obviously we've seen Teddy.
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  Speaker 1: Can I ask cast a little question? I um, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just what do you think Miami's mindset? What do you
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  Speaker 1: think they're thinking with this whole situation. It's it's a
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  Speaker 1: really hard position for a team to be in because
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  Speaker 1: on one hand, you had too a plane great this
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  Speaker 1: year for for a period of time, and it seemed like, man,
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  Speaker 1: this is kind of putting some of the chatter to rest.
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  Speaker 1: Now he's got a real, like potential issue that could
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  Speaker 1: end his career. I mean, he could potentially retire. How
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  Speaker 1: do you approach that as an organization when he's got
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  Speaker 1: kind of got a guy, but we kind of don't
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  Speaker 1: have a Ya, he's got an issue. When McDaniel has
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  Speaker 1: an issue, you know, because ultimately it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: his decision next year about like how much do we
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  Speaker 1: invest in this guy because he's gonna assume he's never
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  Speaker 1: gonna get concussed again. Like, I mean, it's just it's
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  Speaker 1: it seems like now whenever he gets hit and hits
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  Speaker 1: the ground, it's got a concussion prone quarterback, you know,
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  Speaker 1: And and it's a it's a huge issue, and it's
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  Speaker 1: not an easy want to navigate because of the yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know the nature of the injury. And man, I
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  Speaker 1: think it's probably three at the very least, it's three
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  Speaker 1: incidents in one season. Like you have to think long
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  Speaker 1: and hard if you're too uh, you know, should I
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  Speaker 1: keep playing? Is it worth it for me to keep playing? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: So I mean, I think that they will be in
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  Speaker 1: the market. I know I was joking yesterday, you know
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  Speaker 1: about Brady, but they should be in the market for
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  Speaker 1: a veteran. Yeah, is that what you would do? You think,
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  Speaker 1: like I try to get a guy. Maybe not, they're
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  Speaker 1: not going to be in position. Well do they have
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  Speaker 1: extra do they have any more of those extra draft picks?
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what Miami situation is. I shouldn't say
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  Speaker 1: they don't because they're not going to be in position
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  Speaker 1: to take a quarterback high chub chub. Yeah, I think
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  Speaker 1: they did the kind of here comes Bill. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see what Bill has to say. All right, slighting
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  Speaker 1: week here for the Dolphins. Seems like I spent a
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  Speaker 1: long time since we were just down there, but it
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  Speaker 1: has been that's a lot of a lot of water
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  Speaker 1: under the bridge since then. But um, yeah, good football team.
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  Speaker 1: Look a lot like they look. They've looked allier like
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  Speaker 1: they've looked in the past. Honestly, defensively, a big physical
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  Speaker 1: team on defense. Um, have some fast players in the
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  Speaker 1: kicking game, some other physical guys, and they're explosive on offense.
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  Speaker 1: So um, you know, they've they look really, really impressive
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  Speaker 1: at times, and you know, no, it's an important game
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  Speaker 1: here obviously, so do everything we can to play our
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  Speaker 1: best game on Sunday. That's what we need to do.
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  Speaker 1: That's what adults take, and that's what that's what we're
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  Speaker 1: preparing for. You've always said that you prepare for everybody
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  Speaker 1: that's on the roster, and you've got two and you've
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  Speaker 1: got Teddy Bridgewater with situation this week. Is this a
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  Speaker 1: case where you have to prepare actually two different things
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  Speaker 1: because two and Teddy Bridgewater they're definitely different quarterbacks and
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  Speaker 1: they do different things. Situation. You can't go in a
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  Speaker 1: game with two different offenses. It's impossible. So once right
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  Speaker 1: hand and once left handed. I mean that definitely affects
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  Speaker 1: some things right there, but that's we could be looking
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  Speaker 1: at a different quarterback, just like are in Arizona, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in the first series of the game. So yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: some audio issues there, so I don't want to make
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  Speaker 1: our listeners ears bleed yet. But I obviously that was
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  Speaker 1: Allan's seed over. That was Alan Siegel that asked that question.
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  Speaker 1: He hadn't gotten the news. But Tua is out, so
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  Speaker 1: you will be going with the right handed Yeah, McDaniel,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not I didn't like misread that right, And McDaniel
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  Speaker 1: said he's in concussion protocol and Teddy Bridgewater will start.
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  Speaker 1: He talked about having him. He was up last night,
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  Speaker 1: you know, after ten o'clock talking to Bridgewater about the week,
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  Speaker 1: and you know what they were going to do. And
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  Speaker 1: now I kind of agree with Bill in the regard.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously righty, lefty and all that stuff, but
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be the offense is going to be
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  Speaker 1: pretty similar, and they do have the ability to go
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  Speaker 1: back and look at a couple of games that Bridgewaters started.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't win the games, and they weren't as productive
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  Speaker 1: offensively as they were with Tah. But he played reasonably
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  Speaker 1: well for the bulk of the game against Cincinnati on
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  Speaker 1: the Thursday night when he had to replace Toah. And
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  Speaker 1: he played um reasonably well against Minnesota. I think he
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  Speaker 1: threw for over three hundred yards against the Vikings, and
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  Speaker 1: really the big play in that game was a jail
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  Speaker 1: and waddle fumble late in the game. He had a
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  Speaker 1: big play across the middle. I remember seeing it Mike
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  Speaker 1: on Red Zone during the postgame show that week, and
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  Speaker 1: he fumbled the ball and you know, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: his numbers were great, but they weren't. They weren't bad.
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  Speaker 1: You know. I think he kind of guy who you know,
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  Speaker 1: in a stretch, he can he can help you out.
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  Speaker 1: It's not Sam Ellinger. You know, we were just talking
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  Speaker 1: about Matt Smith and he was saying, you know, Ellinger,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this is not like the same as backup quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: This is a guy who's played in the UT. Now.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he's very good, and I don't think
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  Speaker 1: he's as good as Tah, But it's not Sam Ellinger.
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  Speaker 1: It's not Colt McCoy. Yeah, yeah, not Jacobe Brossett. I
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  Speaker 1: mean there's a little bit better player than that. I mean, still,
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  Speaker 1: the for the Patriots, the focus has to be the offense,
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  Speaker 1: like can we score points? You know, forget about Teddy Bridgewater,
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  Speaker 1: you know, forget about that. You know, can we score points? Well?
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  Speaker 1: I mean the whole thing about playing the backup quarterback
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  Speaker 1: is you might not have to no, but but you
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  Speaker 1: know the bar might be a little lower, Like you
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  Speaker 1: didn't have to score at Pittsburgh. Regardless of that, you
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  Speaker 1: need your offense to show some signs of life. They
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  Speaker 1: don't have to do something, and they're certainly gonna have
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  Speaker 1: to eliminate the dumb mistakes right at the end in
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  Speaker 1: the most critical moments. But you know, I think they
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  Speaker 1: they've done an okay job overall of limiting you know,
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  Speaker 1: some of those mistakes lately, which were such a problem
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  Speaker 1: earlier in the season. They've improved there, you know, standing
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  Speaker 1: in as far as turnovers. But I think it just
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  Speaker 1: shows how bad they are because usually if you eliminated
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  Speaker 1: those turnovers, you'd feel like there was a monumental kind
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  Speaker 1: of turnaround. And it just feels like, all right now,
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  Speaker 1: at least they are maybe giving themselves a chance. Before
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  Speaker 1: they didn't really have a chance when they were going
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  Speaker 1: into games turning the ball over. I mean, they're just
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  Speaker 1: going back and looking at the first Miami game right
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  Speaker 1: off the bat, after watching that whole summer of training
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  Speaker 1: camp and what we talked about yesterday, all the sporadic
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  Speaker 1: nature of the offense. You know, they come out, they
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  Speaker 1: kind of go right down the field and then macdows
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  Speaker 1: that pick and it was, you know, kind of the
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  Speaker 1: table was somewhat set for the year, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: and then Miami just continued to kind of pull pour
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  Speaker 1: it on in the first half. I mean, it's just
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  Speaker 1: it's similar to what we saw last week where they
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  Speaker 1: come out they make it up on mistakes. They were
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  Speaker 1: in a hole and they got to figure out how
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  Speaker 1: to dig their way out of it. So maybe it's
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  Speaker 1: your point, Fred, it's all about they just have a
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  Speaker 1: good start, you know, have a good start, get a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of a lead, and see what happens. See
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  Speaker 1: what happens when when the offense is actually playing from
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  Speaker 1: in front or you know, maybe even dare I say,
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  Speaker 1: feeling kind of good about themselves. Hey, we just had
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  Speaker 1: a really good first drive, like I would be even
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  Speaker 1: okay with okay first drive, you get a few first downs.
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  Speaker 1: So when you're punting, you know, maybe you're punting inside
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  Speaker 1: their ten and they're starting inside the twenty instead of
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  Speaker 1: the thirty five. You know, like those little the hidden yards.
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  Speaker 1: Now that makes a difference, you know, didn't you know
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  Speaker 1: the punting situations to watch this week with you know,
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  Speaker 1: Jake Bailey and I mean I think the kickoffs is
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  Speaker 1: starting to get a little bit more of attention. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Paul has been all over this with with
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  Speaker 1: you know, just the punt team and the kickoff team.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, those two sides of the ball have just
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  Speaker 1: you know, not really been helping all that much in
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  Speaker 1: terms of field position lately. And I think early in
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  Speaker 1: the year they were like the number one offense for
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  Speaker 1: starting field positions, So I mean they were on that
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  Speaker 1: side of the ball getting a good boost. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: on the other side of the ball, it's it's been
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  Speaker 1: a little bit hit or miss. Yeah, I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: do think that what you guys are talking about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: getting the lead and playing with a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: confidence earlier in games, and it you know, they really
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  Speaker 1: haven't been able to do that for a while now. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think, uh, they really haven't had they
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  Speaker 1: haven't had the ball in the lead. It seems like
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  Speaker 1: for you know, like six weeks. Yeah, briefly with the Maiders.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if they did have the ball with the
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  Speaker 1: lead on that last drive and they went three and out,
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  Speaker 1: that that was true, but that is true. I forgot
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  Speaker 1: that one. And that kind of stands out as, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: my gosh, we've got an opportunity to win the game ourselves,
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  Speaker 1: not you know, not have to. We gotta get a
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  Speaker 1: stop and then we gotta get like just but they
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  Speaker 1: couldn't and even in that game, you know, they had
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  Speaker 1: fallen behind by two scores, but they did. They did
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  Speaker 1: have the lead in the ball late. Um, but they
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  Speaker 1: were chasing in that game. They fell behind in the
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  Speaker 1: Cardinals game, they fell behind in the Bills game. Even
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  Speaker 1: though they took a seven three lead, they immediately went
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  Speaker 1: right back down ten to seven the next drive. Um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the you probably go back to the Minnesota game,
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  Speaker 1: which I think was kind of back and back and
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  Speaker 1: forth a little bit. And the Patriots did have the
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  Speaker 1: lead in that game that that was Thanksgiving. That was
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  Speaker 1: a long time ago. Yeah. So, um, in terms of injuries,
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  Speaker 1: what do we know, Well, we'll see with the first
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  Speaker 1: injury report today. I mean that's you know, kind of
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  Speaker 1: an interesting one. Curious if you know Jalen Mills and
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  Speaker 1: Jack are able to come back. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think we I mean, Damian Harris, like what, I
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  Speaker 1: think that's a good thing. Paul's pointing this out too,
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  Speaker 1: Like Damian Harris, Jaylen Mills, what's going on with those guys?
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  Speaker 1: Like are they you know what I'm starting to worry
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  Speaker 1: I wonder about there, Freddie, Oh yeah, thing, Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Damian Harris thigh Brews. I mean, I just
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  Speaker 1: I'm surprised because I figured he's looking at a contract.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna want to end this year maybe
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  Speaker 1: with you performance. He just hasn't been part of the team.
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  Speaker 1: It feels like this year. I mean, and the guy
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  Speaker 1: that's been, you know, kind of a team leader, just
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  Speaker 1: doesn't feel like he's been involved. I mean, I struggle
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  Speaker 1: to remember him really having a big impact on the game.
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  Speaker 1: It opened the door for Remondra to, you know, really
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  Speaker 1: take over, but it's just unfortunate. Damian Harris had a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of touchdowns last year, but just hasn't at this point.
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  Speaker 1: If he were active on Sunday, I would expect him
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  Speaker 1: to just like sort of pick up some scrap kind
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  Speaker 1: of carries. Yeah, you know, and I think he can
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  Speaker 1: be better with those, Yeah, I think he. I think
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  Speaker 1: he could be more productive with those than Kevin Harris
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  Speaker 1: and Peter Strong have been. But I'm not really to
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  Speaker 1: your point, Like I can't really think of a Damien
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  Speaker 1: Harris game this year. There were a couple stretches in
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  Speaker 1: games where he looked good, had a couple of good care.
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  Speaker 1: There was one game in particular that he had a
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  Speaker 1: lot more production than Stevenson. And I forget which one
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  Speaker 1: it was now, maybe Buffalo, I mean, I forget which
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  Speaker 1: game it was. But yeah, he hasn't really he hasn't
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  Speaker 1: really clicked like he did at times last year. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: But I think Mills and Jack Jones on the other side,
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  Speaker 1: you know, given this, I mean, if you have a
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  Speaker 1: backup quarterback playing, even one that has some experience like Bridgewater,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna help him out greatly if he
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  Speaker 1: can throw a you know, a fifteen yard crossing route
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  Speaker 1: to waddle and go eighty four yards like he did
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  Speaker 1: last week. Yeah, and he's leading the league in yardspur catch.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean that's what you need. You need some
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  Speaker 1: of those guys out there, you do. You need Jones's speed.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know if he's gonna be healthy, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like him at eighty percent is that good enough? You know,
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: oh if he's not healthy, yeah, healthy. I'm just saying now,
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  Speaker 1: I think they're just you want to get You want
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  Speaker 1: to get Mills and Jones back in there, because I
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  Speaker 1: don't think you want to. I don't think you want
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  Speaker 1: to be down to Marcus Jones and Miles Bryant. No,
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  Speaker 1: you don't even have a rotation right now with what
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  Speaker 1: you have. I mean before they had at least a
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  Speaker 1: rotation with Mills and Jones on Jonathan Jones on the
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  Speaker 1: outside and Jack would kind of work in a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: and then you had some options in the slot to
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  Speaker 1: play with Marcus Jones and Miles Brian a little bit.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: But they don't really have those options right now, and
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's, uh, it's tough, tough duo to kind
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: of match up with. I am. I mean, I admit
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: I'm curious when we drafted Marcus Jones watching him play
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: as a cornerback, just how quick he is, and you
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: know how how that has ability to stick with guys,
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: and you know, it was hard not to draw. Not
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: not that they're going to line them up on Tyreek,
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: but you know, these are guys that are explosive, and
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: I think Marcus Jones is one of the few guys
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: on the roster that you know has the speed to
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: stick with these guys or at least you know, be competitive.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: You know that they are what they are. Though it's
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: it's it's tough to I think he's going to be
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: involved with Waddle. I mean, even if even if you
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: get Jack Jones and Mills back, Like, I think that
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: Marcus Jones is still going to play a big role,
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: and I think obviously Jonathan Jones is I think going
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: to be involved with Tyreek Hill because he's done that
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: a lot. Yea, So you're going to get an opportunity
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: to see, you know, how some of these matchups unfold.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's going to come down to
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: what they do upfront, if they can continue to get
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: the pressure that they've periodically been able to provide, because
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: I think if you just sit back and let any
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: quarterback right surveyed the field with this group of receivers,
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: it's going to be a long day. Yep. Yeah, I
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: hope Barmore continues to kind of get backs. Been playing.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: I think he's been pretty good. I mean he's another
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: one I kind of have a crush on, so I'll
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: probably not yeah, I mean, only impartial. I think to
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Paul's point, I think what he's part of the product,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: you know, on the four guys and getting the rush
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: and taking attention. I mean, I think we'd all just
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: like to see him be a little bit more productive
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: and a little bit more you know, have some of
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: those signature kind of moments. I mean, I thought against
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Derek Carr that first play, I don't think he get credit,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: but he I mean, he got on him fast. I
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: mean that was, you know, probably the one play that
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: that really stood out so far. But I just that
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: he's the kind of guy you need. And I mean
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't remember what his status was last year. Remember,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: I think he got hurt against in the initial Buffalo
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: game and then was kind of we didn't know if
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: he was gonna be hurt. I don't know if he's
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent at the end of the year. I
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: just guys like Mills you didn't have at the end
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: of last year, you got Covid against Buffalo. Would love
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: to just see Barmore kind of peak and you know,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: just put a nice cap to his season so that
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: you have something coming out of here of oh yeah,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: but he got Teddy Bridgewater a couple of times, and
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: you know it's a big part of that win. Yeah.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I think what I've been most impressed about is he
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: looks like he's better against the run then than he was.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think he was an every down player last year. Yeah,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: And I think he's been asked to do more of
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: that he's been stout. Yeah yeah, um yeah, so we'll
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: we'll get our first practice in h Evan will be
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: at practice today, um and then um they'll actually be
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: in the locker room later yep. So maybe we'll get
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: a little mood stuff, get some see what idea of
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: what the mood is? Well here from mock Yeah, this
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: afternoon as well. I think it's uh like Mac and
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Ooch and a lot of the Stevenson I think so
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of the big names will be talking to
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: get Myers before that too, right right after practice. Yeah yeah,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: so yeah, you know you wonder like what the mood is,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, after that game another I just think,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: I know, well, it's just crazy that they're even that
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: they're even like that there's a path and that they
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: even control it themselves, and like, I don't know, I mean,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: you guys played on teams like you have that kind
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: of ability to be like, yeah, we sucked all year,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: but hey, if we could just put two games together
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: like it, we might actually rewrite some of how this
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: season has gone. You know, I don't know, it's it's
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: it's hard to predict it just because I'm so resigned
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: to Like when the offense came out last week and
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: had six straight punts, it was just like, yeah, that's
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: what it is. I wasn't expecting them to, you know,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: come out and suddenly get it, just like this week,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not really expecting to suddenly get it. I just
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: expect against Teddy Bridgewater and what that offense is gonna
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: be able to put up that you'll be able to
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: stay in the game and later. It's always a good
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: indicator of at least knowing what the spin is in
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: the locker room, like what's the message that's going out,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: And like what he was saying this week is we
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: see what we can do when we do it right,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: you know, and we just need to be consistent. We
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: lack consistency, but we all see when we do things right,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: we can compete, we can do things, you know, And yeah, like,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: are by our guys buying that? And are they motivated
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: by that? I just laugh because I think they've been
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: incredibly consistent. Well yeah, like they've been consistently you know,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: and that's that's who they are. I don't say I
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: agree with Mike. I don't think they're any consistent. I
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: think more often than not, they're not productive. I think
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Mike is right, well, on offense, they're not right. I
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: mean the penalties you're getting six, you're getting six plus
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: penalties pretty much every week. You're probably gonna have, if
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: not a turnover in the first three quarters, you're probably
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: definitely getting one in the fourth quarter. I mean, you know,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: it's like going, we're gonna punt a lot game, like,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what they've done almost every game, you know,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: and there when you can say, like oh, the Minnesota
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: game or um, the Cleveland game, like that's a sign
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: that your offense hasn't been good when you like cherry
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: pick the games that it was good, you know, maybe
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: the biggest indictment of all is like you said, like
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: the other day, they start the game with six punts.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Did anybody say, oh my god, I can't believe what
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I'm watching. Right, No, that's them. No, you know, it's
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: more like here we go again, right, bring in zappy.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I mean the zappy chance started on the second series
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: of the game in the crowd, right. I mean, I
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: would almost just say that the game's really it just
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: matters if the defense makes a key play to get
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: a turnover at the right time. The difference between winning
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: and losing is generally how if the defense can can
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: score or set up a score. Yeah, and the unfortunate
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: part of the last couple of games is they have
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: scored and they still lost. Like that's like I agree
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: with Mike, I don't. It's not inconsistent. Like it's just
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: if they if they go out and they just all
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: of a sudden put up four hundred and fifty yards
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: and thirty four points on Sunday, that would be to
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: me breaking out of the norm. Yeah, like they haven't
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: done that, right, but still it's all right there for
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: the taking, which is just us. And yeah, I mean
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: it's I don't I'm not going to get ahead of
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: myself with with this game, but you know, Buffalo, it
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: is what I guess the question really is is what
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: what's Buffalo going to end up having to play for it?
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: And it seems like they will have something to play for.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: It almost has to be a meaningful game for Buffalo,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: you knows, I know, people are you know pointed to
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: the scenario that Buffalo could lose and then playoffs host
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: US in the first round of the playoffs, and that
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: might be what they want. But I know I don't
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: think Buffalo wants to be the team that lost to
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: allow the Patriots into the playoffs. You know, I think
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: they want to be the team that not says I
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: would I would do that if I were Buffalo, if
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I wasn't playing for a buye, I would rather have
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: a bye and have a zero percent chance of losing
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: in the first week, as opposed to picking my opponent
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: and having a point one percent chance of losing, Like
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: I can lose, something can happen, and I can lose
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: to the team that I decided i'd rather play instead
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: of having a bye. There's no way they're going to
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: dump the game if they can get a bye. And
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: the only way that they will not have a chance
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: is if Kansas City loses to Denver, because then they'll
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: have it sewed up, so then they'll have to buy
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: sewed up, if you know, if assuming they win, right,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: but Kansas City has to lose to Denver, that's the
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: content that like that has to happen. Is it in
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Kansas City? Yeah, And they don't even have Nate Hacket anymore,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: so oh that could be a plus. So I just
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: I think Buffalo is going to have to play the game.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna have that to fall back
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: on now. I could definitely see, like I'm not in
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: agreement with Fred, if it was just regular and there
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: were no buys, just like what the Patriots did that
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: year when they dumped the game against Miami so they
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: could play Jacksonville. I could definitely see them doing that.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know what team they'd pick, but they would
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: figure out the machinations of which one, and they would
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: rather play absolutely. But they're not gonna say I'd rather
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: play the Patriots in Wildcot weekend than be off in
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Wildcot weekend, didn't have a buy. They're not gonna No
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: team would do that, No, no, no, All right. Five
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: five hundred is the A ticket hotline web radio at
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Patriots dot com is the email address. Uh, Brian from
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Indiana's on the line. What's up, Brian? Hey? Are we
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: doing good? Hey? I just had a question. Um. I
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: know that Bill O'Brien has been in conversation a lot
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: about becoming the next NOC for next year possibly, and
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of stuff, um, just from like
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Alabama fans on Twitter and stuff like that about them
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: not really loving Bill O'Brien as an OC. Do we
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: really want to bring somebody likes Bill O'Brien just because
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: he might be better than Patricia and I think he's
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: an excellent offensive coordinator? Yes, I would. I would take
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: him in a heartbeat. And do we think it's a
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: good idea? Of Alabama fans are up in arms because
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: they scored forty nine points and lost rice bill O'Brien's fault. Right,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: they lost fifty two to forty nine to Tennessee. Do
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: we really need another hothead in that locker room? Yes? Yes,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: they need someone to push back. Yes, I think that's
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: exactly what they need. And don't we pay Bill Belichick
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: enough money to push back? Well, but I'm talking about
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: the offensive coaches. He can't be, you know, dealing with
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: absolutely everybody like the offensive coaches. I think it's been
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: a one way street. It's been pushed back from the
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: players to the coaches. I think they need a little
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: bit more the other way and say all right, yeah,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I get it, this is what we're doing, let's do it,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: let's let's be better, let's execute, and maybe even push
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: back to Bill. Yeah, yeah, sure, absolutely, Yeah. Since the
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: bar solo right now. I mean, what experienced NFL offensive
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: coordinator wouldn't you take it at this point? Now if
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: a guy is as a heartbeat and coach to ye,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: to Briant's point, if you if you have like a
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: young up and coming offensive mind that you're aware of, Um,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: I think I might rather have that than Bill O'Brien.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: But I know Bill O'Brien, I know we worked here,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: I know he like what he does works, So yeah,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I think that's uh, I don't know what what better
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: than that you're going to expect. That's what's frustrating for me, though,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: is that it's it's become so insular here and and
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: like I just I can't we see a Bill Belichick
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: taking a young offensive coach that maybe didn't grow up
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: here but has interesting ideas and using Bill Belichick's knowledge
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: to kind of merge with that person's new perspective and
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: you know, to produce something fresh rather than well, we
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: had this guy here was ten years ago, and he
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: knows the system, So you'd rather have, you know, Like
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: what I'd rather have is what you said. I think
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: what what Bill would rather have is and that's and
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: that's what's frustrating is that. I just I wonder if
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: it would be better for Bill Belichick the coach, if
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: you know, if he had more of those, you know,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: And and I don't want to say that he's like
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: actively pushing those kind of perspectives away, although perhaps he is.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I just think like, if you're going to get to
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: a new, interesting place, it's just hard to do it
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: when you keep recycling the Josh McDaniels and then Bill
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: O'Brien and then you know, chat O'Shea could maybe you know,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: it's the same kind of guys, Whereas get a whole new,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: fresh perspective, somebody who sees the game totally different, and
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, maybe you make some magic
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: by having a totally new perspective. Whereas it is, if
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Phil O'Brian comes here, we're probably just gonna what kind
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: of merged this year's offense whatever it is, with what
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: they used to do and come up with some kind
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: of maybe you're able to do what we kind of
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: thought they were going to do and have the Patriot
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: system with some Alabama elements to it. You know, who knows.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: But I agree with Mike's rant. I like Mike's idea better.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: But I don't think that's going to happen. I think
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien will be pressure. You know, like it just
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: feels stale and you know, you'd love to get some.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of equate it to when when
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Floras took over, and I mean not that it's the
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: same thing, but just how jarring it was to all
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: of a sudden see kind of a completely different philosophy
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: on defense in terms of aggression and sending you know,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: zero blizzes. You think Matt Patricia sentity. I mean, maybe
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I'm wrong, somebody can tell me maybe, but spat As
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: sending zero blitz It's like, I don't never remember that
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: being like a big part of their game plan. It
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: was no they rushed three and sometimes four and they
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: just sit back and wait. That was kind of the philosophy.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: And then all of sudden, Florest gets here and it's
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Jamie Collins and down to high tower coming from all
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: angles and you know, and that was a big part
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: of why they won. That last Super Bowl felt like
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: one of the ones where they were actively went out
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: and took it rather than you know, waiting to see
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: how it goes and then you know, relying on Brady
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: to pull it out of the end. Melvin's and Tennessee, Hey, Malvina,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: what's going on? Hey? Hey? Um? Quick thing about really
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: just the coaching sample. I know you are talked a
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: little bit briefly yesterday about how dry I was possibly
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: getting ready to leave out along with all the other
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: changes that come from the players stuff like that. I
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: would help the other and everybody else associated with it
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: to figure out some type of way to keep do
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: something to keep more of these coaches around. I know
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: it's even when you're coaching, you do well, they know
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I'm going to coach, and you probably have others, you know,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: goals and things you want to do. But when one
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: person leaves and you know, he takes staff with them,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: life with Josh and stuff that it's just hard to
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: convey your message and keep your message going the right
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: way when all these changes and stuff that are going around.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: So I think that's a point to it. Obviously, it's
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know exactly a way to really tix that
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: are but I wonder if feels and stuff for like,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know how he's going to invest as much
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: as life, well, I don't want to do a certain
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: amount of stuff because this person might leave or I
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: don't know if this person's gonna be with it for
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: a while. And why am I going to teach and
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: develop and to other stuff with these people that's going
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: to leave me. I'll be stuck doing the same thing
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: with somebody else. I think we've come to it. I
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: hear what you say. It can't have It can't hurt
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: to have a lack of continuity on your coaching staff. However,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I got a feeling that maybe, with the exception of Mayo,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: you know, those days might be behind us because a
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: lot of that stem from winning. You know. The other
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: teams wanted guys who came from a winning culture, you know,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: and knew what it took to win. I want those
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: guys on my staff, or guys leaving like McDaniels and
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: taking guys with them. We might be we might have
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: turned the corner there where like now we're not the
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: team with that you know, high price problem that we
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: used to be. You know, like I don't know if
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: anyone's clamoring for Covington or you know, cam Accord, you know, yeah, yeah,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: I mean I would, uh, I mean Mayo clearly, I
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: think he might be one that. Yeah, and if he goes, like,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: does he take anybody with him? I don't know, And
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I'm biased for Pellegrino, but I just think he's done
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: a really good job coaching up defensive backs consistently, you know,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: since he's been here. That was one of my biggest concerns.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: And but every team has good coaches. Yeah, you know,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: but I think you're right, And I mean, nobody's coming
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: to say we gotta go get we gotta go poach
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: mapat Shirt Joe Judge right now or cam Acorps really
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: and those are those are the big, you know big
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I think you could lose Kaylee too. On the other side,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: but the I mean, it's not necessarily good that our
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: coaches aren't well, yeah, that's the that's the other that's
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: the flip side of it is that. And I think
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of teams that especially like the coordinators,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: the hot shot coordinators. You know, other staffs lose their
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: coordinators every year and then they figure out what they're
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: gonna do. Like Buffalo just lost Brian Dable and they
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: had a guy ready in Ken Dorsey and it's kind
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: of the same offense. I mean, look at Kyle Shanahan,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: he's been I mean he's been. Shanahan has done it
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: more than anybody, right, you know, with all those different
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: branches off of that trip and McDaniel and I mean,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: everybody's been getting pulled from him and he, you know,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: continues to do it. Yeah. One last thing I'm gonna
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: say about it, just weird for Bill because he always
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: had a plan ready, even with the players when the
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: otherman was getting ready. Clearly we're gone his last leg. Yeah,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I had people ready when the passing backs are getting old. Yeah,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: you always had somebody ready. So there's a bigger thing
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: of getting somebody ready. What happened to that? Well with
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: the coaching, the losses were so fast it was tough. Yeah.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: I do think it's been a little bit out of
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: the ordinary, like with Flores in McDaniels both taking chunks
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: with them, right, and what that was nineteen and then
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: twenty one, So that's twice in three years, right, because
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Flores left after the eighteen season, right, So in nineteen
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: and then after the twenty one season you had top
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: flight assistants leaving and taking significant pieces of the rest
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: of the staff. We bring this up all the time.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Mike and I talk about this all the time, Like
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: a guy like jet Fish very well could have been
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: one of those guys that they said, well, we know
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: we're gonna lose Josh at some point, and then they
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: ended up losing jet Fish when he got a head
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: coaching job at Arizona. So sometimes you do have a
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: plan and it just doesn't work. It doesn't think you
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: got you gotta mentioned the retirements too as part of it.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, those are but that's something you should that's
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: something you should have been prepared. You knew Iman was
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: going to be going, Dante was going to be going,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: and don't they already retired once. Yeah, I mean they
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: have a small staff as it is, and I mean
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: I just I have trouble being like, well, you don't
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: want to promote guys, you don't want to really really
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: really am I wrong? Nor they just don't give guys titles.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: And they have the same amount of the number of
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: and you're allowed to have as many as you want,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: So it's not an excuse if you have a small statuff.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: I know, but they choose to have a small staff.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: But I would say they were net negative last year
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: in terms of coaches that they lost in coaches that
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: they brought in. It didn't really like they didn't really
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: hire anybody. They lost a lot. I mean, they didn't
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: hire a wide receivers coach, they didn't hire an offensive
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: coordinator they did, you know, So I just you're not
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: really prepared. I don't think that you can build a
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: team by saying, well, I don't want anybody to leave,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: like you want to develop good coaches who in turn
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: coach a team well and then you win, and then
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: that's what happens. I mean, it's just part of it.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: You can't say, well, we want to just be a
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: middling team, so no one takes our coaches like so,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: I I just think it comes with you've got to
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: restock the cupboards. And I don't think that they restock
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: the cupboards last year with young coaching. I think they
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: have to do it this year. Yeah, thanks Melvin. You know,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: and you got to ask the question and we don't
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: know the answer, like why aren't you know, coaches so
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: willing to go with Josh, to go with Flores? You know,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: is it a money thing? You know, it's probably a
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: variety of it. You know, it's not necessarily upward mobility.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: It's a lateral move in some cases, but I'm going
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: to be making more money. Well, I think it's it's
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: it's upward mobility too. I think if you're Micke Lombardi
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: and Bill and Bill Belichick told you're gonna be the
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator and now you have a decision to make,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: yeah right, my guess is you didn't ask him that, right, Yeah? Yeah.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: And I think that that feeds into it was kind
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: of the start of it with with not having a
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: defensive coordinator and now not having an offensive coordinator. So
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: the staff in general has just become kind of this
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: nebulous team, we're going to do it together kind of thing.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: And I mean, I totally get why guys would be
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: like you, I want I want to go somewhere where
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: I know where I stand, I know where I'm headed,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: and you know, for better or worse, at least, I'm not,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: you know, part of this like group think effort that
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: you know, I get all the blame and none of
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: the credit. Really, And just to be clear, I'm not
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: suggesting that I would have given the offensive coordinator job
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: to Micke Lombardi. I'm just using as an example. Sometimes
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: guys leave, you know, like, was there any clamor of
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: like chat O'shay becoming an offensive coordinator when he was
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: with the Patriots. Not really, No, then he left and
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: he became an offensive coordinate, so it is upward for that. Yeah.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: As as in addition to what again, another thing we
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: don't know for sure money, Yeah, we don't know that
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: for certain. But in the past, you know, Brad Seeley
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: for example, he wanted more money and they wouldn't give
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: it to him, and he left. Yeah, you know, uh
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: but interesting out of shape like he got he got
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: rid of him right after one year, and then they
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: brought back like chan Gailey right like with like that.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: They brought chan Gailey in the year of Fitzpatrick, so
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: that was nineteen. They brought him in specifically for for
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: for that with oh shit, and then they changed. Part
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: of that is Floor is like that, like yeah, I
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: know Flores is like you know, the like they should
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: bring in Flores because he'll change everything. He'll fix out.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: I don't think Flores had a tremendously successful tenure as
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: the Dolphins head coach. I think he did a good job.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I think they played hard. I think he couldn't figure
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: out offense and couldn't figure out how he wanted to
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: run the offense, and that hurt them. And certainly the
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: way he treated Tour hurt the offense, like not not
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: embracing him in any way, shape or form. Yeah. Um so, yeah,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: I think that Flores is a good football coach. But
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: I just don't think that, you know, you hire him
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: and that solves all your problems. We're especially biased because
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: and I and I really like but I really like Flores, Yeah,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: I mean I do. I just don't think that he
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: was a great head coach. Well he did a good
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: job was going on there with the owner in meddling,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: and well the owner wasn't telling him to change offensive
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: coordinators every five minutes. No, but you just you just
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: wonder like if he didn't want Tour, you know, like
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, it just seems like there
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: was a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: in Miami. Yeah, And that's why I think, like a
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: lot of other people in Miami will probably have the
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: better perspective, and I think they echo a lot of
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: what Paul saying that it was It was not as
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: it was more dysfunctional than it even might have appeared.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: But the you know, why was it you know him
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: or was it comvocation issues? I mean I think some
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: people found him, you know, that didn't like how we
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: communicated me. That was something part of it. Yeah, William
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: and Fellam, what's up? William? What's going on? Fred? Paul
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: and Mike? Hey, Hey, how are you'all doing? Um? Just
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: two things and I'm actuely Paul. First, Um the T
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Higgins thing that you were saying with T Higgins? And
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: um was the other guy, Um, Jerry Judy. I loved that.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I loved that. Ye throw DeAndre Hopkins in there too.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Everybody's everybody's you know, assuming he's going to be available too,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: So throw throw them all in the mix. I'll take
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I'll take any of those guys. Um, you know, Hopkins
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: is the best of those three, probably, but I would
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: rather have Higgins because of age right now. I think
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: he's a guy that you could really build around size too,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: as we saw last week. I mean it's he's a
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: really good player, and I think that he has done
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: enough when Chase has been out of the lineup for
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: me to think he can produce even when the coverage
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: just rolled to him. Yeah. You know, some of those
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: guys are great second banders, and then you you pay
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: him like a number one guy and they come in
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, you never faced the double team before.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: But I think he has. I think he's yeah, I
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: think he's been the man. Okay, Um, my last question
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: is this, and I just need you all three to
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: be honest with me your faith. Do you do you
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: want change? Paul, Mike and Freeth. I mean I'm being
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: I want you to just be honest with me, like
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: we were just sitting around the table, of course, and
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: we just haven't you know, man a man? Do you
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: want change for this team? Yeah? And do you think
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: you're gonna get that change from the greatest coach of
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: all time? I mean, I want you to be honest.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: I have to think so, I have to think so.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is below the pail of acceptability, of
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: acceptability for anybody I would but absolutely, I mean, I
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: I don't want to watch another year of this offense
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: like this. I mean, it's it's terrible NFL offense, not
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: normal offense. And that's Fred. Yeah, and you've been saying
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: that for about eight weeks right now. I think I
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: think I keep going back to like builds a smart guy.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: He's not. He knows more. He forgot more about football
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: than we'll ever know. And if we if everybody sees it,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: I mean everybody, even me, who I'm a Max supporter.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: I was in on having two former head coaches come
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: in and be you know, sub coaches, and that that
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: could work. So I'm on record saying that, and now
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I'm saying I see it. I see it. I can't
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: believe he doesn't. I can't believe he doesn't. You know,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: the owner does. And if he wants, if he wants
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: to stay here, he's gonna have to make changes. He's
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: going to have to. You know, I'll keep my I'll
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: keep my fingers cross, right, Yeah, okay, all right, Thanks William,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Thanks William, keep the faith. Patty's an agawam. What's up?
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Patty up? Guys? Hey Freddy, I was with you too
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: prior to the season. I was like, I was skeptical,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: but I was like, let's take a wait and see approach,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: and you know, maybe they maybe they figure it out
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: and they get stronger as the season goes. But each
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: subsequent week week it looks like Mo Howard is coordinating
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: in this offense, you know, and so yeah, yeah, yeah, um.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: But I did have a question relative to the coaching side,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: with the struggles that we've seen on special teams the
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: last few years, if they do make like sweeping coaching changes,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: do you think that there's a chance that a chord
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: is gone and they put Joe Judge back in the
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: spense as a special teams coordinator. I do. I think
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: there's a chance of that. Yeah, but I could see
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: a chord going somewhere, like within the coach He'll stay
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: here and go to another position. Yeah, yeah, I see Joe.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: I could see that, and I'll throw another white receiver
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: name that I would. I mean, I don't think it's
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: going to happen. I think the chances of it happening
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: is in contesmo. But I would love to see them
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: just mortgage mortgage the future for DeVante Smith. Get back
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: that to me. That's Max thinky. I mean, if there
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: ever was, if there ever would be a thinky for him,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, that would be the guy, you know, kidnap
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: them from Philadelphia. Yeah, that's all I got, guys, all right,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Thanks Patty, And I know, like I know, Patty prefaced
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: that by saying it's infante but like arguably the best
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: team in football, which is gonna like deal off their
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: most significant pieces while they're on the rookie contracts, right, Like,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: I think it's less than infantessible. I just I, you know,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I was thinking too, is like I really wonder what
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: it's going to be like this offseason because we're talking
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: I think, you know aptly about receivers to target those things.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: I just I just wonder how much of a check
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: book and freedom Belichick will have this year depending on
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: how the conversation with Craft goes, because you know, I
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: think we're all a little like, well, what if he's like, no,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: it'll be fine, you know, and that this bill go
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: you know, does Roberts say, well, then we'll see how
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: much money you're actually gonna let you play with? Like
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: you know, what, do you know how much money are
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: you gonna need to play with to get this team
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: back to where it needs to be? Oh, you mean
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: free agents, you know, like coaching staff, because I think
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, like they opened up the purse strings.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: It was I gotta got my money on a team
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: that I don't write. Are you gonna spend go spend
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: this much money again to get what like maybe like
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: maybe you get back to the seventh Sea. I mean,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: if they don't make the play, like like that's what
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: you got to spend millions of dollars to get back
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: to Robert Kraft? What would Bill have to show you
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: to convince you that they should stick with the coaching
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: staff as it is? Geez, I don't I don't know
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: if I could. I don't know. I don't know if
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: I have any answer for that. Yeah, And I mean
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: it's like I guess, I guess proof that it was
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: the players not buy buying in and not the coaching right,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: I would need that, I guess. But then it's you,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: we gotta go get new players. But why didn't you
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: coach him up? You know, why didn't you get him
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: to buy in? Isn't that part of your job is
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: to get these players to buy in? Isn't that part
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: of it? You know? I mean, I agree, let's talk,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: let's do this, Let's let's let's know, let's like you know,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: I'm watching like you know, good Morning Football, and like
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: they're always doing these funny kind of exercises like this,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: So let's let's Chris plays right, old friend, Let's play
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: like role you know, like role role play here? You
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: know this is Bill when this is like so if
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: your Bill can can you like you asked a question like,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: what could Bill do to show Robert that changes don't
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: need to be made? Could Bill go in and say, hey, listen,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Max's gonna be fine. Max's season was completely derailed in
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: week three when he gets that high ankle sprain. He
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: was never the same after that. We rushed him back.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: In retrospect, we probably should have sat him another couple
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: of weeks. He wanted to rush, he wanted to rush back.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: We rushed him back. That was a misstep on our part.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: When he came back, he had the pressure from what
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Zappi was doing. It's snowballed. That led to a lot
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: of the conflict between the coaches because the coaches felt, again,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to role play. I don't think beautiful, I
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: don't think I don't think this is true. Okay, but
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, can can he convince Robert that stay the course? Yeah?
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: It's working. It got derailed, but it's not irreparably damaged.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: The bigger issue was external factors. We're gonna keep Mac healthy.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: We're gonna get them completely in year two of the
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Matt Patricia offense and all through the off season. We're
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: gonna have them sit down. They're gonna be fine. They're
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: gonna be They're gonna be fine working with each other. Now,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: if I'm Robert, I'm very skeptical. I'm not gonna lie.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure I'm buying it. But can Bill? Is
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: there a percentage that Bill could go to Robert with
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: something along those said? It comes it comes down to
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: what you said, Paul. He's gonna lay out the evidence
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: that it's the players that Trent Brown played. Well, yeah,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: I'm not even talking about all that, Like absolutely, you
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: add all that in offensive line was a mess. Isaiah
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Wind bailed on the team. You know, Cole Strange needs
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: another year. Oh he'll be fine. He just needs to
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: get a little ball gun ye right. You know. Kendrick Bourne,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you all the reasons why he wasn't playing,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: and we got him back on track down the stretch, right. Um,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: you know Parker gets hurt. Uh, you know he's gonna
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: you know all those things. Yeah, you know, and oh,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: by the way, I need forty million dollars and we
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: got how many draft picks? We got like ten draft
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: picks or something like that. Like you know, it's like Matt, Matt,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Matty P's a smart guy. He's gonna get better. He
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: never did it before. You know, you can see how
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: much more comfortable he was putting the game planes together
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: as the season, like you, I could see that happening
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: before anybody yelled at me, Okay, we're just playing. Yes,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: I'm not like, I'm not telling you that I believe much,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: if any of this. But Fred, you asked a question,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: what could Bill do to convince Robert that changes don't
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: need to be made? Right? I think I think it
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: would be something like that. It would be sound pretty good.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: You did a pretty good job. Thank you, Thank you. Hey. Um,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Let's say Bradley writes in with the Patriots he has
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: that in quote system. It seems we're always focused on
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: picking a player who can do it all, special teams,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: multiple positions, really anything they can is the focus on
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: do it all type of people, affecting how Bill thinks
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: about the coaches now as well, thinking a coach can
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: be a jack of all trades, just like the players
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: and as he spreading the coaching out too thin. So
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: we're moderately good at a lot of things, but not
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: really great in anything. And PS one O C would
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: not What I would not like to have right now
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: is Nate Hackett. The guys thinks. I love how everyone's
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: call him that. That was good. Yes, yeah, I think
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Nathaniel Hackett was a good coordinator by the way for
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Bay and Bay right he was. How hard is it
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: to be a good coordinator with Aaron Rodgers? I don't know.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: They don't have one. Now, they don't have a good
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: coordinator now, well, they can't score. I think now that
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: these young guys is just they're doing better, aren't they doing?
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: They're winning games, but they're not scoring. Yeah, they're not
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: scoring like they old Packers were. No. Yeah, they're still inconsistent.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Watson and Dobson. Yeah, and then Watson got hurt the
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: other day too. Yeah, he's coming on. Uh, Craig is
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: in Charlotte. What's up, Craig? Hey, how's it going, guys?
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Good doing today? Pretty good? Um? Hey, I like where
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: you're you're at before. I guess there's been a lot
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: of um, you know, a lot of scrutiny on Bill
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: rightfully so past a couple of weeks ago. I just
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: wanted to take now to to say, like I'm in
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: the opinion he should be able to write his own
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: check out of Foxborough. I will suffer through seasons of
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: misery for everything that he's given to the organization, just
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: like I would have suffered through, you know, five nood
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: alarm seasons of brady for everything he gave to the
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: season if they went that direction. Having you know, I'm
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: a manager of people too, and I've lost an awful
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: lot of folks over the past few years, so difficult
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: to replace talent and keep that pipeline going. I guess
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know. My question for you is really how often,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: maybe inside baseball, how often do you think Belichick and
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Craft are talking about these things throughout the season? Because
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: we talked about this, like at the end of the year,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: there's going to be this kind of come to the
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: table meeting with them, and I got to feel like
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: they're already in the plans, they already kind of know.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Why isn't this an ongoing convo? Yeah, Yeah, I don't
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: know how often they It seems to me that it's
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: not like every week they have a sit down and
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: and all that. I don't know, but it doesn't seem
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: like it's a constant conversation. I agree that season check in.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: I think I think there might be a time or two,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: but I don't think they Robert's grilling him with specifically,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: what are you planning on do you know it's week
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: week eleven? What are you planning on doing about this
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: much the script for the first series? Right? You know?
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't think. I mean, I could be wrong,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: but I don't think that that's the case. I think
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: it's like you said, Freddie, I think it's after the
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: season they sit down and I think then I think
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Robert wants, yeah, some answer, some some analysis, you know,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: like the more you need, the more you meddle as
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: an owner, the less you can say, Oh, I have
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: to hold him accountable, Like if you're if you're a
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: big influence on the day to day operation, then how
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: much you blame can you give your head coach? Yeah,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: you have to let him do his thing, especially when
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: he's also the GM. You have to let him do it,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: you know, but hold him accountable, right, especially at this point,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: maybe like a rookie head coach you might have to
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: a little bit not Bill. Yeah, I don't think Robert's
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: in there meddling, But I do feel like the way
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: that it seems like Bill runs his side of the organization,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: that that there would be an ongoing conversation with Craft,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: especially when things aren't going well. I'll bet you, like
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: during the Max thing when he got hurt, like Bill, like,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: I'll bet you the owner was probably, hey, how's he doing.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Do you think he's got a chance to play things
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: like that? I'll bet you he finds out about Yeah. Yeah,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: But like Paul, Paul, he started another poll, I'll be
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: four Belichick saying this year, I could see that pole
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: moving if he's did that. All right, thanks, Yeah, that'll
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: be an offseason thing. You know, in a couple of weeks,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: we'll get that going. El from Wisconsin wants to talk
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: about the team vibe and he wants to call me out.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: So I want to read this season Evan got me thinking,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: he says, Evan got me thinking of after saying that
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Mac is unlikable, and I think that's a problem surrounding
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: this whole team. Bill isn't the most likable guy, But
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: it's fine when you're winning. Grading when you're losing. Maddy
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: p has the air of someone who thinks they're the
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: smartest guy in the room. Just ask him, and that's
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: off putting. Mac is at worst a dirty player and
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: at best a whiney cry baby, and not good enough
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: for his antics to be anywhere near justified. Maybe I'm
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: reading way too much into things, but I really feel
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: like there's a fisher where coaches are blaming players and
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: players are blaming coaches. I think Bill has lost the
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: locker room at this point. Who's to say he can
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: get it back. I think it's probably time to move on.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: What has Bill done in the past, say, two years,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: to make this a better team. I also have to
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: call Fred out. He made a snide remark about not
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: wanting Hackett because he did an awful job in Denver.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: What happened to bring in a head coach because it's
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: valuable experience. No matter what, I don't think he was
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: any worse than Judge in New York or Patricia in Detroit.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: I just well the reason I said, I look at
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: their offense and what happened with Russell Wilson, and I'm like,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: what Russell Wilson was on the ganelon Daniel Jones is
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: as good as Russell Wilson used to be. They're awful.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: They both looked the same, I know now they do
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: now they do. No, no, no, Now, Daniel Jones is
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: vastly superior now that Brian Dable was coaching him. Okay,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: But I'm just that's that's a good point. That's a
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: point in my favor. I mean they were both poorly coach.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: That right, that Hackett couldn't get anything out of Russell Wilson. Correct,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: That's why I don't Joe Judge couldn't get anything out
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: of a guy who's right now in the playoffs. Yeah,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: but you wanted him because again the email is right.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: He know he was a Patriot, so you wanted to right.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: He knows the system right, and a lot of good
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: that knowledge of a system. That's why I said about
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Hackett about no, I don't want Nathaniel Hackett. I mean,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to make a case. I'm not trying
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: to make a case for him, Nate Hacketting. I also
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: didn't want Joe Judge. You know, the fact that he
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: was a failed head coach. That's not a point in
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: his favor. It was a point in yours and the
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: guys just pointing out you're in concerned. I do think
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: there's something to be said about that experience in the NFL.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: I do if as long as he was a Patriot,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: no any any any, but you don't want other films specifically,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: we're asking him to be an oc here where his
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: offense stuff right, and you're asking this got to be
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: a quarterbacks coaching his quarterback stunk like it's the same thing.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: The guy's point is that is vallet screw you. You
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: yelled at me yesterday. So sorry, it's fine, fine, uh
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: jacket and aba. If the Patriots had played as well
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: in the first half as they did in the second half,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: they would have beaten the Bengals. Why didn't the Patriots
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: play as well in the first half as they did
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: in the second half? They made a few throws. People
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: really ask these questions. They just read it like, but
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: it's not like with meant with any like no tongue
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: in chiefs, smiley face or anything like that. So like
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: you can't just answer if the Bengals had played like
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: they did in the second first half, in the second half,
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: they would have won. You know, forty four to nothing. Yeah, okay,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Joe Burrow still got ac Player of the Week, did
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: he again? It's it's a remarkable thing. And I'm not
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: a Lias, so I can't, like, I don't have a
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: website in a like a like a search engine database
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: that I can plug in all these factors. But I'm
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: going to venture to guess that teams that turn the
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: ball over three times, including one for a touchdown, miss
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: a field goal, two extra points, allow a forty eight
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: yard hail mary on third and twenty nine, or like
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: windless winless in the history of the NFL. They still
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: won doing all those things. That's how much better they
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: were than you. Christian the Cuban from Charlotte, North Carolina.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Two things. First, there have been reports that Bill O'Brien
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: is a done deal coming to the Patriots next season.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: Who said that I did not see done deal. I
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: think Tom Corrn, I don't. I didn't see done deal
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Tom Currn on EI yesterday I read some quotes on
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: the Twitter machine that he had said he had talked
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: to somebody and someone said he'd be very surprised if
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: it didn't. Okay. Then there have also been reports that
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Zach Wilson in New Jersey Jets will part ways next season.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: What do you think if Ay one for one, swap
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Mac for Wilson and we have a new OC with Bill.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: In my defense, I would rather have Mac and see
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: him with weapons in a realc But just a topic
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: to discuss. Second, I think if Belichick has another stinker
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: of a season and O'Brien is the OC and not
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: coaching somewhere else, I think we replaced Bill with Bill.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: If they have a stinker of a season, why do
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: you want O'Brien right, because he'd be part of this? Yeah, yeah,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: I mean there's so many I think there are a
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: lot of different factors. What do you think of the
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Zach Wilson thing? Not necessarily for the pages, that's kind
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: of gotten a little bit of traction this week. It
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: looks like he's played his last game for the Jets.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: It's tough, it's a tough He'll get another chance, He'll
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: get another chance. I think it's just tough to try
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: to say he's a backup quarterback because he's so sporadic
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: and will kill you. You know, it's like much rather
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: like Teddy Bridgewater is what he is. But I don't
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: feel like he's going to all of a sudden and
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: try to like just make the dumbest throw ever and
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: cost you the game. Like so maybe some team thinks
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: they can fix him, but I think he was always
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: kind of a boomer bus kind of as he was
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: as a team was looking at him, how do you
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: get a accurate, you know, read on his mental awareness
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: of the game and football IQ and you know about
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: because yes, he can throw the ball, yeah he can
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: run around, but like how do you get enough information
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: from the a mental part of it to make a judgment? Yeah,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: we'll bring him in, Like that's so high. And I
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: made the comment earlier in the week, Um, you know,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: he's the second overall pick, so he's going to get
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: another shot. But like, you know, Josh Rosen was the
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: tenth pick I think or something like that, and he
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: got to play as a rookie. And there were a
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: lot of questions about Josh Rosen coming in that were
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: similar to the ones about Zach Wilson. Why isn't he
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: a captain? Do his teammates really like him? Does he
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: command the room? Does he you know, get respect? His
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: neck is too long? Who were talking about Josh Rosen
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: and a big Adam's apple can't have that. I couldn't
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: if Josh Rosen was in this room, I wouldn't be able.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you what I did. I like, why
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: why didn't we start talking about Peyton Manning naff Um?
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: But I you know when you looked at Josh Rosen
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: and he really never got another shot. He played some
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: games for Miami that first year that Flores was there,
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: and he's been on like sixteen other like practice squads. Right,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: No one's really brought him in since then and said,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna be our starter or competing for
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: a starter, and basically the league gave up on it.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: So I want to say, Zach Wilson will get another shot. Yeah,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: but maybe he won't, right because maybe it's been that
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: big of a disaster and with the stuff that you're
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: talking about, like the mental makeup, Right, does he have
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: what it takes to be an NFL quarterback? Not physically,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: emotionally and mentally. Think about who was the guy that
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: broke down in front of his locker years ago? He's
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: now he's an analyst. Um Derek the other quarterback who
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: was highly touted. I think he was ran Leaf, Ryan Leaf. Yeah,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: you know, like the league gave up on him, right, Yeah,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: I mean I think he gave up on himself. There
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: were Yeah, there were other issues with Ryan Come. I
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: think he's turned his life around, Yeah, but you I mean,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: he spent some time in prison, you know, had drug
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: problems a lot. There's a lot going on that I
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: don't think is necessarily Jermaine to Josh Rosen and Zach
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Wilson want from Mexico. If Bill waited for O'Brien this year,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: and that is why, that's the reason he went with
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: this crazy experiment with Maddy P. For me, it's just
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: making the decision even more stupid. You were waiting for
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: the coordinator to come, but you did not add more
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: coaches around to bring as much help for Maddy P. Instead,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: you screwed with the development not only from MAC but
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: also the few standing players from last year. What do
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: you guys think? I mean, maybe Bill just didn't think
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: it was going to be this bad, you know, Yeah,
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he did. But if he did it for
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: that reason, I think it's worse. Yeah, Like I'm just
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: gonna a placeholder. I really don't like I could burn
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: a season at seven, right, right, Well, I didn't think
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: you'd think it was burning anyway. Evan's here and has done,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: has done all right, Evan, what do we got? Not
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: great news? Oh jeezus, Oh not great news. He's the
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: opposite of back dad Bob So out of Patriots practice
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: today inside Gillette Stadium. Little change up for you. There
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: No DeVante Parker, Jalen Mills, Jack Jones, Johnny Smith, Yanni
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: could just and the biggest one Marcus Jones not out
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: at Patriots practice on a Wednesday. Now, wait, he plays this.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: This is two thousand This is two thousand and four
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: against the Rams, Like, how did we do it? How
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: did we win that game? With Troy Brown, Pea Patrick
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: and of Vinetary throwing a touchdown? I will say this, okay,
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: if I'm just trying to be a little positive here, Okay,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: we all spoke to Marcus Jones after the game on Sunday.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: There was no inclination whatsoever that he was injured. So
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: maybe it's an illness. You know, it is that time
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: of year, right. I don't want to speculate anything, but
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: I just don't think that this was some major injury
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: that got that went unnoticed in post game, and he
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: went to the podium and did all you know, did
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: all these availability and then all of a sudden, now
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: he's had has some severe injury that he that popped
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: up out of nowhere. Okay, now, And it was a
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: regular practice, Like I mean, I'm sorry, I don't need
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: to step on I don't want I don't need to
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: play the hits as long as we get the infant.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: But like I mean, you know, Pad's e practice. I know,
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: like maybe they might be out of pat you know whatever.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: But like so it was a regular practice and all
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: those guys weren't there, so it's current like it was
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: like some kind of walkthrough that maybe they Okay, that's yeah.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Actually PATTED practice not great out there today, which is
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: pretty standard for Wednesdays. Yeah, I would say this is
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: our first real Wednesday in a long time. Yea, yeah, Wednesday,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: that's actually Wednesday. Yeah. In the stadium, it sounded like
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: there was some some unavailability with the practice fields for
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: whatever reason. Belichick was asked about it by mic Reas.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: He didn't want to get into the details, didn't want
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: to get into the deeds, but for some reason, the
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: practice fields weren't av Yeah, if they're not available because you're, like,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: you know, recovering from the frost or something. Why can't
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: he just say that want to get into it anyway,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Lots of guys, lots of key guys not at practice. Correct. Yeah,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: the good news was said, could just man, he just
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: cannot ever be healthy? Like yeah, yeah. The good news
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: is is that although Johnny Smith wasn't there, Hunter Henry
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: was there and was participating, so they hopefully will at
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: least have a tight end that's not um Matt Sokol
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: because which is also bizarre because he was on the
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: field for the last play of the game and then
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: goes on injured reserves. Someone said he got hurt on
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: the last play of the game. I don't know if
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: I just they liked him so much, they just want
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: to shut him down, make sure they keep him for
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: next year. So, Fred, you want to ask him about
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: the mood? Yeah, how was the mood? The food for
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: the team doesn't change. Yeah, I know everybody wants him
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: to come in, but I know, I know the people
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: that the outside the building want to make up this
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: narrative that the team has given up and that you know,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: they've let go the rope and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: The opposite the team here has it's practice right Like
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: they're out of practice, They're doing their thing. It's it's normal.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: You would never know that this team was coming off
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: of two losses and one kind of humiliating loss and
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: the loss last like, you wouldn't know that just by
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: the vibe of the team. Okay, I've heard a lot
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: of they showed their toughness and their grits. I think
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: you're getting a lot of that from people that are
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: covering the team. Yes, But what I'm more talking about
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: is the talking heads that want to strum up controversy.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to be a talking head that wants
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: to strum up controversy. Okay. And I was waiting to
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: get the practice update because I wanted to see if
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: one individual was out there and he was no Boy
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Hunter Henry Yea who immediately after the game, I think
• 1:02:34
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  Speaker 1: mean and Mills, those guys they just haven't been around.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know. Yeah, Mills hasn't been out there.
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  Speaker 1: Damien Harris has been practicing and not playing, which if
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  Speaker 1: you're going to point to anybody, and on my pointing,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: I hate pointing fingers, but me too. With Damien Harris,
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  Speaker 1: that worth it? Hunter? Henry is under contract, so I
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  Speaker 1: kind of look at that one a little bit different.
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  Speaker 1: But we'll see, yeah, yeah, hopefully we can go. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And when I when I bring it up, and again,
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  Speaker 1: you have no information and you're just sort of wild.
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  Speaker 1: This is felgren Mas at its worst, right. Um, So
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  Speaker 1: I'll admit that I'm being unfair. But I do wonder
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  Speaker 1: Henry would qualify as the guy who's been around the
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  Speaker 1: league five, six, seven years now, Like, does he look
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  Speaker 1: at it and say this team isn't going anywhere? I
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  Speaker 1: did hurt. I mean I'm not saying he invented a
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  Speaker 1: knee in journy. I mean I hurt my knee. Do
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  Speaker 1: I want to go out there and play on a
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  Speaker 1: on a bum knee and then over the last you know,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: who knows, maybe I take another hit on the knee
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• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: it goes my off season for for what to what end?
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  Speaker 1: We're not going anywhere. That's what I wonder about with
• 1:04:47
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• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: it has happened in the past with players. Um, you
• 1:04:55
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  Speaker 1: mood depressed? Was he bouncing around? Always? Yeah? Typically, always
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: bouncing around, typical kV. Yeah, he's carrying a trade me
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: sign around with him and he was going in and
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  Speaker 1: he was looking like himself. I believe it was Lynn
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  Speaker 1: Bowden who was sporting a seventeen scout team Jersey, so
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: he's Jalen Waddle this week. We didn't see an eleven
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• 1:05:25
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  Speaker 1: grown up, but I never like felt, you know, like
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: a fan like that. You know, I was embarrassed. I
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: don't know which just started. You got to ruin my
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: life like it used to. Like, yeah, probably the last
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: time I was like truly despondent over a loss was
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: one Blitzer when they lost the Super Bowl to Green Bay. Yeah,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: you know, and even then it wasn't I mean I was,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: I was an adult, Like even then, it wasn't the same. Yeah,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: like that, even the Chicago one, Like I convinced myself
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: that we could bury the Bears and all that stuff,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: but you know, as soon as the game started, you
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: knew they weren't burying the Bears, right, three, I mean
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: I had three I was to prepare myself for the inevitable. Yeah,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: like I you know, I was. I was in a
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: real bad place after Row seven. But I wasn't embarrassed.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: I was just depressed. I was, you know, that was
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: that was a depressing like trip home to Freddy's Point, Like,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: oh God, every way you looked, you just saw like
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: oh no one smiled Like it was that awful. It
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: was awful, you know. I mean I told the story before.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: We had a party a bunch of people. The game ended,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: I just like ceremoniously popped my two Patriots balloons that
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: I had hanging from my TV and just retreated to
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: my quarters. It's like you won the lottery and you
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: lost the ticket, like you knew you won, and then
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: on the way there you lost the ticket. You don't
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: have to talk about it. It's okay. Yeah, it's as
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: bad as it can possibly get. Like there's no way
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: it worse. A loss could be worse. I mean, that's it,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: um Ron and Cambridge. Ever since Brady left, Deuce has
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: said something to the effect of I'm interested to see
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: what the greatest head coach of all time does to
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: build this team now that Brady's gone. And I can't
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: help but think that the Patriot existence post Brady has
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: been the furthest thing from interesting. I missed the old
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: days in shame on anybody whoever wished them away. Look
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: at you, Deuce. It's been bad. It hasn't been it
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: hasn't gone the way I was interested. I've been interested
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: to see how it was going. I mean, I think
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: it's high drama. I mean I don't think you know,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: maybe you don't love it if you're a Patriots fan,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: but if you're a sports fan, I think you eat
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: it up. And that's why the Patriots are relevant for
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: what they are still and I know, but look, I
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: didn't think it was gonna go this bad. I gotta
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: be honest. I'm with you, though I wanted to see
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: what was next to not because I wanted what was
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: going on to end, but I just knew eventually it
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: would end right, right right. So that's the difference between
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: you two. We needed to see the next and I
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: was excited to get a new quarterback in here and
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: hopefully had kind of start over right, And obviously it
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: hasn't gone exactly as planned. But I'm not necessarily not
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: with you on that, Like I'm with both the view
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: on that part of it. The difference is he wanted
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: to end the Brady error so that we could get
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: to the quote unquote interesting part because winning twelve games
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: every year was no longer interesting. Rats. That's my narrative now,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: that right there, that's my story, right, No, No, no,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: I I the way I like the way I Evan
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: explained it better than the way you do. And it's like, no,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: I knew it was going to end at some point,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: and I was excited to see what they were gonna do,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: how are they were gonna unfold? And I would agree
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, now I haven't been as excited about
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: what I've seen, But yeah, I was thinking a little
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: bit too about like like and this is probably gonna
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: send us off a cliff right now, But but what
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: what what should like compared to what other teams did
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: with great quarterbacks at the end um? You know, is
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: there is there another team? I was trying to think
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: of another team that that did it great? Like did
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: it perfect? I mean forty nine ers with going from
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: Montana to young you know, but but what should they
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: have done? Like you know what I mean, like like
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: was it over? The difference is not necessarily like it's
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: how is the guy playing? Like the difference is Brady
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: continue to play at an exceptionally high level? Oh yeah,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: Like Dan Marino didn't, like you pull the plug on
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: Dan Marino? He was done, but Montana went on Montana
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: was still okay, yeah, in one good season, right yeah,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: and he's kind of he was kind of done. I
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: agree that, Like, so what do you think that? What
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: do you think then? What do you think? What do
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: you think the Packers should be doing right now? Well?
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: Dan Love, Yeah, the Packers have a guy Jordan Love
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: I think is on the third or fourth year of
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: his rookie contract already right, right, but you know, eventually,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: let's just say Rogers stay, they'd be in the same
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: situation the Patriots were with Garoppolo, correct, exact same situation,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: Like they're they're right on the line right now of
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: running that risk, right, wasting that first round pick, right
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: because they're kind of entering that territory. Now that's right
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: where you know, so they have a plan, but will
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: Rogers the plan up? So then you know, and then
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: you had Peyton Manning hand tanks. Well, but Peyton Manning
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: got hurt, right, But I'm saying why they two and fourteen?
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: Then they tanked? That's the idea. Wasn't playing at a
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: high level, like if if Peyton Manning doesn't get hurt,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: they're not tanking that seat, right, but keeping Peyton Manning.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: But if the Patriots could have gotten the first overall
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: pick in the twenty twenty draft, yeah, very lucky. What
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: happened to the Colts was very very you know, it's
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: just it's just non it's such a complicated. I think
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: they did it exactly how they should have done it.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: They obviously not the decision to let Brady walk, But
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: once that had that ship had sailed. They took a
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: bridge year because they weren't going to get the quarterback
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: in that draft because of where they were picking. And
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: then they picked the quarterback when they were in the
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: top fifteen. Now they were at fifteen, and I think
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: that there are nitpicks there of should they have traded
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: up and been more aggressive and not just taking the
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: guy that fell into your lap at fifteen. Yeah, but
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: that's what I would argue is you can keep Brady
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: and okay, you you got Garoppolo. Okay, the time frame
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: didn't work. Get another guy, you know, in the first
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: or second round that you like. There had to be
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: somebody they liked, h Lamar. It's tough because when what
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: ended up happening was that in eighteen and nineteen there
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: was a run of quarterbacks at the top of the draft.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: You know that, I don't know the middle ground there
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: was not very great. Who was that guy that was
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: available that they missed at quarterback in that window? Well,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't have all the guys in front
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: of me. But no, in twenty twenty could have taken
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. There were teams that went from There were
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: teams that went from like twenty seven into the top
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: ten to get stuts. You could have been one of those. Yeah,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: that's a difference, I think to a degree. Like if
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: you want to make the case that they should have
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: traded up the draft Justin Fields instead of just waiting
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: on Mac, I could hear that argument now. I think, granted,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: what it's become is I don't even know what kind
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: of system it's become now, but this isn't that they
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: wanted to run in. Where they were going to run
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: with McDaniels was certainly more tailored towards Mac Jones than
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: it was to Justin Fields. So I think that that's
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: an element of it too. But I meant more when
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: Brady was still here, Like I I know what you're
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: saying about Justin Fields, you know, just last year, but
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: yours is probably the best one. You could have sat
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: right where you were and taken Lamar Jackson, who I
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: think Josh really liked. Yeah, Brady, Brady would have lost
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: and Brady, yeah, he would have like exploded. Maybe it
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: would have spurred him onto another time. Mark, I mean,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know. That was nineteen Yeah, nineteen nineteen, so
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: that draft would have been around the time No, Yeah,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: that draft would have been around the time that you
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: knew that Brady wasn't coming back. Yeah, I don't love
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: you're saying at the eighteen draft, I take it back,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: they took Michelle and win and and didn't take Lamar. Okay,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: y that never mind. I mean I still would have
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: done it, but it wouldn't have worked for my time
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: friend Market Clearwater. Of course, I'm one of the originals,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: PFW Nelson Smerless and mister original Fred. But seems like
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: you don't read emails anymore, and you have five exact
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: same callers every show, and they're not informative entertaining. Please
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: let's get back to being the Patriots Nation show and
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: break free from the same old, same old. After all,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: it's not like we have a team to watch winning
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: ps mac is and our guy you can't teach pocket
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: presents and he's way too much of a spoiled brat
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: to grow. Shout out to Paul my Everett brother in
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: all our street hockey days? Who is this? Marc Auger? Oh? Okay,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: how you doing, Mark Um? Not well? PFW Nelson Smerless
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: in the original Fred. Oh, that's like I think those
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: guys did little columns in the newspaper. I think that's
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: what he's referring to. Ok. Yeah, Steve Nelson Smerless did it.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: I had Hannah do it. This is the initials in
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: the nineties. Yeah, what was the first issue of PFW.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: What was in that issue? And who was writing home anything? Like?
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: We had a few, right, we had a freelance to
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: freelance writers on game day that would write the game stuff.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: But anything during the week I wrote pretty much that
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: was so just you and a couple. I had a
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: couple of interns. Yeah. Yeah, and then first year just
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: just did the newspaper weekly. So anything that didn't have
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: a byeline in the newspaper I wrote. Yeah, I used
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: to do weekly picks with the spread and everything. The
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: pocket presence think or we go to that because I
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: just know what what am I not seeing? Like pocket presence? Yeah, Like,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know what that means first of all, because
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: I think everybody defines that differently for some reason. Are
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: we talking about pocket movement? Are we talking about sensing pressure?
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: Sensing pressure? Yes, Okay, I don't know. I don't see
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: him as a quarterback that doesn't sense pressure. Like to me,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks that don't sense pressure, turn into statues, get blindsided
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: by the rush and fumble right like that that those
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: are quarterbacks that don't sense pressure, don't feel pressure in
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: the pocket. And I don't see him doing that. Like
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of things that he does wrong.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. It's not like he's free of
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: blame here. But I keep hearing this pocket presence thing,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: and I just don't really know what people are seeing.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: I think are in the same place right now where
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: we're like, we're not even talking about personnel this offseason
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: until we figure out the coaching situation, Like don't even
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: talk to me about your mock draft, don't even talk
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: to about agency, Like, just get a system in place
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: that people can be successful before we start. Oh yeah,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: Barth is already talking to me about the draft and
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: he's doing his tend to watch in the college football
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: playoff this week, and I'm like, dude, none of this matters, Like,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: none of it matters until they have an offensive coordinator,
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: if they draft Jordan Addison or they draft Josh Downs,
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: or they draft Jackson Smith and Jigbu, like none of
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: it matters. Already ahead of me, Chris with a t
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: I a n Hey Christian, Hey guys, what's happening? Paul
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: is left to go watch sports, very low level sports. Yeah.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: Oh um, I'll tell you you guys have been scaring
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: me the past couple of weeks, in particular Deuce Um
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: when you talk when you're talking about them potentially running
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: it back with Maddie p Oh, that was passile thing
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: he just laid out this show. Yeah, and I and
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: you know, and Bill basically like talking Robert into saying,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: you know, I did Maddie p wrong. I'll get an
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: offensive line coach and hero take take you know, that
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: office plate. He'll focus on being a coordinator. He's got
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: a year under his spelt. You know, he'll be better. Yeah.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: And that scares the crap out of me. And the
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: question I have for you guys is, um, do you
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: have any idea if it's just Bill and Robert that
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: sit down? Is it? Is it Bill, Robert and Jonathan?
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: I think Jonathan's involved? Yeah, Yeah, I think Jonathan's involved.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: And I'll bet you know so. I don't know if
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: Matt grow is involved, but you know it's a possibility.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: Probably Cassario in the past might have been Yeah, Eli
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: or somebody. Yeah, but but it's a pretty small meeting,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: very small. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think they're
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: interested in hearing what, you know, Patrician Patricia has to
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: say or Joe Judge. I think they want to hear it.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: They just want to know what Bill thinks primarily, and
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe Mac grow for the draft, but primarily
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. Yeah man, yeah, So I mean, I, you know,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: and I was really on the wagon of I just
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: want this season to end, and you know, I can't
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: wait for next year. And then I you know, I
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: kind of took a step back and I'm like, you know,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: if they do make a playoffs, great, they made the playoffs. Yeah,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: for me, it's great, an extra game. I'm a I'm
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: all for it. For it, I'm all for it. I
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: just like all these people, Oh, they shouldn't have the
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: playoffs because they don't deserve to be screw that, you know, Oh,
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: I don't they don't deserve it. If they have a
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: record where they earn a playoff birth, then how do
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: they not deserve it, Like, I don't understand what that means.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: They didn't get in with style points, right, Yeah. I
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: just think there's a big difference between beating Miami, even
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: with Teddy Bridgewater, beating Buffalo in Buffalo, which you know
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: is a tall task, and instead of beating Miami and
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: then losing the Buffalo and needing like seven permutations and
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: then you get in like like that or that one,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: I'll be a little bit like all right, yeah, but hey,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: it's like the college basketball pitch game where you know,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: the Patriots need like eight things to happen, and it happens,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: and they show the Patriots at the facility crazy. I
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: don't think that's gonna happen twelve. I do. It's December
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: twenty eighth, Wednesday, December twenty eighth, and I'm gonna sit
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: here and just from everything that I've pieced together, I
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: guarantee you that the offensive coaching structure will be different
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: next year. Yeah, I guarantee it. I don't know if
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: it's going to be Bill O'Brien. I don't know if
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: it's going to be a wholesale change where O'Brien comes in,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: brings his whole own staff and everybody's out. I don't
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: know about that, but there will be like there will
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: be an adult in the room next year that knows
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: what he's doing. There's no chance they just run it back.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: You saying that it makes me makes me feel nice.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: But I think it's more a thing where it's not
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: like I think a lot of people will be like
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: fire maps a fire, Joe Judge, but you know, fire
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: everybody and then bring fire the fire. It's gonna be
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: a juggle, Like I think it's gonna be a juggle.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: And I don't really think anybody's gonna get fired, but
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: some people are gonna get reassigned, and and I don't
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: think that that's necessarily the worst thing, but I just
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: I think I'm I'm all on board. If if you
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: need new map, Patrician goes back upstairs, that's a given.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: He'll be senior football advisor at Better. He'll advise the offense,
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: and he'll he'll be up back upstairs. I think you know,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: to the we had an email earlier that said why
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: not just bring guys in like why the stop gap
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: year right and or the bridge year. I think a
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: big reason why you can't do that is because if
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: they then go ahead and hire Bill O'Brien and he
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: cleans house a year later, it's that's not a position
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: that these assistants want to be in right where you're
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: coming in to be on Matt Patricia's staff essentially, and
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: then in a year, you know you're you're you're out
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: of a job like that. That's not really a great
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: spot to be in. So I don't really think it
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: was a very desirable situation, either to be an offensive
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: line coach or a quarterbacks coach and be hired by
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: the Patriots. Right. Uh, let's see, Eldred's is North Carolina.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: He needs to ask Mike a question. What's your question?
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: Eldred La, I want to answer this question. Question. Oh,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: you're gonna answer a questions about saying about Joe Montana
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: and Steve Yo. Yeah, I told you, I told you
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: when Brady left team. Normally, when with a great quarterback leave,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: it takes in the wheel from five three to five
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: ten years something longer. It ain't the coach, it's the quarterback.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: And I gave you example Joe Montana Steve Yo. They
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: had the same team. Took Steve on three years to
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl when they beat the Charges, same
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: king took him three years. Dallas atment they an't been
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: back sin Pitchburg. Uh. Bradshaw then my boy took him,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: Big Being took him twice, then me and back Sin.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: Miami ain't been back Sin. You know, Buffalo Kelly ain't
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: made it there yet. He's so it's always the quarterback.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: It ain't just the coach, it's the quarterback. And I've
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: been different. That's why, you know, like I said, it's hard. Yeah,
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: team here, we ain't got off as coordinator. So yeah,
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, all that's true. I just I guess, I guess.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: My question is with twenty twenty hindsight and knowing everything
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: that you just laid out was completely true, you know,
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: just how you know, what would what would you have
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: done different? You know, how could you have approached this differently? Um?
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: You know so that it didn't I mean, and I
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: agree with your point, like it's it's really hard to
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: find quarterbacks. It's not like there's just an easy plan
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: you plug a guy in. But I just in retrospect,
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: it was such a monumental thing that you knew what
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: was going to happen. You know, could how could you
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: might maybe have himpled it better? Yeah? Well, in a way,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: Brady did welcome Lamar because you thought that was being Lamar.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: But we traded to the Ravens. Ravens got Lamar, Welcome,
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: Welcome Lamarca. He thought he gonna pick Lamar. I just
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: don't understand the timeline for Lamar, because I look, I
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: love Lamar. Lamar is probably my favorite quarterback in the league. Honestly,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: day they're both up there. I love Lamar, love them,
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: loved him coming out, love them now. But Brady didn't
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: leave until after twenty nineteen, So that means that Lamar
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: is sitting on the bench for at least two seasons, right,
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: So I just don't really understand the timeline of like
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's Jordan love right, you know. And at
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: the time, and look, I understand that we can have
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: a conversation about Sony and Isaiah Win and how good
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: those picks actually were, but those especially Sony, contributed directly
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: to winning a Super Bowl. Yeah, And and and we
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: heard that McDaniels really like Lamar Jackson. We don't know,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: but we heard that. But did Bill? The Bill was
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: Bill willing to do what did and totally revamp your offense.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: That's the biggest As much as as much of a
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: terrific quarterback as he is. Greg Roman runs an offense
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: that only Lamar Jackson's right, that's right, and you have
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: to They hired Greg Roman because Roman worked with Kaepernick
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: and San Francisco in his college days. He ran a
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: read option offense, like that's his offense from the days
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: he's in college and in the pros. So they hired
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: Greg Roman knowing that he was going to be that
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: type of coach. Of course, Jim had Greg Roman in
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: San Francisco, so they had the Harbot connection and that's
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: how you get there. I just think it's it's still
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: an interesting debate because he's going to be a free agent.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, and you know, everything event said, would I
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: meant redid their offense? So you know, if you're if
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: you're not going to stick with Lamar, does that mean
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: you know that you're gonna re jigger it means Greg
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: Roman out. Are you all of a sudden not going
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: to get another Lamar to another you know kind offense.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: It's just an interesting position that they're in, which I
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: mean clearly it's I think they're going to have months.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: I think I've absolutely blown away if he gets out
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: of the building. Yeah, David and Wisconsin. Last week, Paul
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: mentioned his first year working with the Patriots was Pete
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: Carroll's last year, and it reminded me to ask this question.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: Of course, I might be misremembering. I thought I read
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: in a PFW issue that Pete called in Paul and
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: Mike Reese in his office and told them to more
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: or less do their jobs better covering the team. Did
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: this happen. I'm not sure that happened. He called me
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: into his office. It was after it was the first
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: year Pete was the coach and we were playing the Jets,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: and I think Glenn Foley from BC was their quarterback
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: and we lost and we rarely put like opposing player
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: on our cover. But after that game, I put Glenn
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: Foley and I had Broadway foe because we just lost
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: to the Jets, and you know, like that's when the
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: Border War was like at at its height. And after that,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: like I gotta call Piece, like you gotta come down here.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: I gotta talk to you. And he's he's like, you
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: know how it is around here? How can you do this?
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: You know? And I'm like, he's from BC. We lost,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: you know, like but like I can understand him being
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: like Fred, I need your help man, though, because like
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: if there was one game he couldn't lose while coach.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: It was to the Jets. To parcels. Yeah, it's interesting
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: you had, I mean, you had what five six years
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: parcels at first oversee you know the McCarroll, but kind
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: of prepare you like in terms of content wise, like
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: you know, were you prepared when the Belichick shift came
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: that you know you kind of already knew not to
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: do something like that. Perhaps that that Belichick, but it
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: just seems like there's kind of like some parameters were
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: kind of established by the Bill got here that you knew, well,
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: you knew you weren't getting any access, you know, so
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: because what do you mean, Parcels would be like I'm
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: in the said, I'm in the business of getting information,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: not giving it, you know. So, but he would do
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: it in a wise New Jersey wise guy type of way,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: you know. So it was entertaining for the median. They
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: would eat out of his lap, you know. Oh, the
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: old Guard media like the reverence that they have for
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: Bill parcels and he would just treat them like dirt.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: And yet they they just came back looking for more.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: Few of those they talk about, Oh the fact that
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: he's not in the Patriots Hall of Fame is the
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: biggest disgrace to human time in their eyes, that you've
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: ever seen. Coach left it. He was that every year,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: told the owner he didn't know if he wanted to
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: be here. Yeah, And then and then on the biggest
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: week of the franchise's history, arguably he's on the phone
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: more with the Jets than talking to his own coaches.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's like those are facts, you know,
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: Like it's hard. Yes, he was a great coach and
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: he did a lot for the French blah blah blah,
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: but it all it's a body of work and it's
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: a team hall of fame. And he kicked it off
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: to Desmond Howard, So like, how can we really put
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: and Reggie White when office? And they just left him
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: on the three year old year old Evans counting the table.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: What are we doing? Literally, you're just kicked it off
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: to the Heisman Trophy winner. Why don't you go ahead? Um,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: Mitch and albany h do you guys see a scenario
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: next year where the Patriots make Marcus Jones a full
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: time receiver. I know, I'm not sure how great of
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: a route runner he is, but I think I've seen
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: enough to say he's a big time playmaker with the
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: ball in his hands. If they sign a couple of
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: veteran corners in the off season, I think they should
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: switch him to offense full time. Not happening. I always
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: say that, like if you play cornerback, you play cornerback.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: You don't go from corner to safety. But you can't
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: go from safety to corner. You don't go from defense
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: to offense. You know, you can't go from offensive deva.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: But if you were a good wide receiver, then you
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: were a good wide receiver in college too. There's a
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: reason why in college he was never a full time
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: wide receiver. He did it a little, but you know,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: I would just say this though, he's an electric player,
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: and I would keep five to six plays every game
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: in the package. And if he ultimately just ends up
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: as a slot corner where he's not playing every down,
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: then I think it all matches up. He's too good,
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: he's too explosive. They need guys like that. I don't
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: need to see him full time, but I think he can.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, wee we're seeing it now. We're the last
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: few games. Give him three to four plays. He can
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: make an impact even with just that limited workload. I
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: actually think that they've nailed it perfectly with his workload,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: where he is a gadget player on offense, right, Like,
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: he's not a receiver. Okay, he's not going to go
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: out there and run a route tree and break off
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: leverage and read out coverages and like all this stuff
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: that receivers do. But he's able to three to five
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: plays a game, come on the field like Devin Hester
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: used to do and make an impact. And that's great.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: And even if the impact is just disruption of the
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: defensive read, you know, like, Okay, he's out here, we
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: gotta pay attention to him, you know, to somebody, you know.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: That's fine, right, And I mean, and if this offensive
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: coaching staff can figure out way to get him involved
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: to make an impact, I mean, I'm sure that the
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: continuing going down the road, other offensive coaches will be able,
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: you know, to do the same. But he just I mean,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: he's too good. You need more players like that. You
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: need players that can pull away from from guys like
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: he can. I mean, the interception returned, diving, you know,
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: jumping over guys, hurling players down the side. I mean,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: he's just a dynamic athlete. We need more guys like
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: when you see him play like you're to your point.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: We just haven't seen a dynamic athlete like that in
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: so long here that it is jarring, and it's like,
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: so that's what it looks like. Right. When we talk
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: about game breaking speed, we're not talking about you know,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: no offense. We're not talking about Nelson Aghalore, right, We're
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: talking about that's game breaking speed right there, right, Travis
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: and West Virginia. I would like to concur with the
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: emailer who said there are a lot of repeat callers
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: who really don't bring a whole lot to the table.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: Eldred and Sweet Kid excluded. Also, Fred, it makes me
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable when you refer to Romandre Stevenson as Dre on
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: the blog. It's tantamount to you showing up with an
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: air ring tomorrow. It's just a place, it's bed. I
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: don't want to have to write out Ramondre every time,
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: you know, so I just say Dre, it's faster or
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: maybe God, yeah, I might as well just do the
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: row if I'm going to do, you know, I don't know.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: I just sometimes I like to shorten it up, like
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: like I don't want to write Marcus Jones every time
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: because there's so many Jones, so I'll just write Marcus, right.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: You know, we struggle as writers different basis with the Jones. Right,
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: what are we supposed to do? Right? I had to
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: somebody email into me a couple of weeks ago teaching
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: me like how to spell out Jones is right, like
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: not like apostrophes, Like it's the e s at the
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: end of it over the playeral of Jones. You know,
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: what's the other one? Fred? I wonder. I don't know
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: if you've ever had this talk to some Patriot writers
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: that do this a lot accidentally, Patritos getting like you know,
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: when you're tightening like Patritos Patritos. Yeah, i'd think we
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: would get like, you know, for all the for the
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: writers get like Patritos chirts like you know, it's just
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: something like Patritos. They got me again? Yeah? Absolutely. Dexter
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: in Santa Rosa, California, back during Ravens Week, Bill was
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: talking about Lamar Jackson during his media interview and he
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: says something out of the ordinary, quote, I can't wait
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: to see that contract. At the same at the time,
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: we all collectively thought it was a slightly peculiar but
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: nothing more. But now that our offense truly sucks beyond
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: any doubt, I think Bill can't wait to see that
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: contract because that contract will have a Patriot's logo at
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: the top of the paper. Instead of going for a
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: true number one wide receiver, why not get a true
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: number one quarterback and sign Lamar and poach him from
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: the Ravens this offseason. Would the fans, Craft and Bill
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: be happy with Lamar signed for a max contract and
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: bring in a real coordinator one can dream. I also
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: hope we make it to the playoffs, so I'd rather
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: have a chance, even if our odds are about point zero,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: zero zero or two percent chance of winning the Super
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: Bowl this year. So you're saying there's a chance, I'm
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: I'm terrified of them being able to if if they
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: were to actually go out in Lamar, we're gonna actually
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: play out this Lamar situation. I'm just terrified of them
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: knowing what to do with the quarterback. Like you just said,
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: the whole Greg Roman thing. I mean, that's what they'd
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: have to do. Maybe Bill O'Brien does because of Deshaun Watson,
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: but they're not really the same player like Lamar. You
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: they run you know, their go to plays counterbash, which
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: is a readoption counterplay with Lamar, and like it doesn't
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: you have to know how to design these types of plays, right,
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: they have guys coming in motion, they have three tight
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: end packages, and you better have a guy like Mark
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: Andrews too, right, you know, because it's just and you
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: have to you know, you'd have to remake the whole.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: You really have to attack the middle of the field
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: in the passing game because he's not a great thrower
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: outside the numbers. So like that's why Mark Andrews is
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: so valuable to him, is because he wins in the
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: middle of the field. So like, you just have to
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: completely build out an entirely different offense. And I just
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: don't know if so just build buy himself a few
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: more years if he brings the Lamar's assens and takes
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: a while, I mean, you know, and I want to
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: go back to something real quick for it is you know,
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: I had to call her who said, you know, I'm
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: willing to watch losing seasons with Bill, like, like, this
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: is a whole other element. And I'm sure there are
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: plenty of fans out there that just want to give
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: Bill his due and let him walk, But the owners
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: of the franchise have to like keep interest up and
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: keep the energy up. And you know, as much as
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: it might sound nice to some people to just give
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: Bill his due and let him, you know, do whatever
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: he wants over the last few years, like they gotta
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: sell tickets, like they have to, like, you know, and
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: a move like that, of course it's not gonna happen,
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: but you know, something like that, that's well, that's what
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: gets everybody back on board. Maybe, like like if you
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: want a dream, it could be more realistic and say
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: like DeAndre Hopkins maybe like you know, it's a number
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: one receiver like that. I think that's far more realistic.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you're the Ravens, like, how do you
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: just let that guy walk out the door? I just don't.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: Well you, I mean, like you said, you design your
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: whole offense around him. Like I think that's probably why
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: he's pushing his luck with it a little bit, because
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: it's like, what are you gonna do. You're gonna get
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: rid of me and then get rid of your whole
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: offense and get you know, and completely start over on offense.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: It's right. I think the Ravens value continuity a lot,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: Nathan writes in catching up on all the content I
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: missed this past week. So I apologize that this has
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: already been brought up. But how much has this past
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: season changed your overall opinion of coach Belichick? If at all? Um,
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: I think he I think he made a bad call.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I still think he's, you know,
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: an outstanding coach. And you know I still want him. Yeah,
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: I still you know, wanted to. I wish that, you know,
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: you could continue to tap his experience and his knowledge,
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: and you know, I just I for me, like we
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: get into Patriots fans getting so worked up about everything,
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: you know, just but when I hear other people in
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: the NFL just talk in strictly football teams about Bill Belichick,
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: just they get it, you know, Like like you can't
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: tell me that, oh, he's an idiot. He doesn't like
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: he is, Like I mean, at this point, he's a
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: living legend as far as the NFL is concerned. So
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't want that to be over. But
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: this was a bad year. This is a bad year,
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: and I don't really blame that. I'm tired of having
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: the greatest coach for everyone. No, he's I mean, but
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: you know, but these he's look, he's he can make mistakes.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a hard That's what I want. I
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: wanted to stay and I want him to admit I
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: gotta do something different, that's it. Yeah, I want him
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: to admit it. Yeah, And I this is exactly, this
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: is exactly what I was talking about to you guys
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: off the air. Maybe we need some accountability. Yeah, and
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: I think that maybe we get it. Maybe if we're lucky,
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: we'll get it. After the season's officially over, right, And
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: usually that next day press conference he always goes back on,
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: well we just got off the field. Yes, right, guys,
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: you know what are we talking about? But at some
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: point in time, and it could be that he never
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: actually comes out and says it, but they just hire
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien and I will speak louder than the words, right. Yeah. Also, Fred,
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: I remember earlier this season when you said you were
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: feeling bullish about the offense. How times have changed. This
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: isn't criticism. I completely bought into your theory back then.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: I was wrong. In the beginning of the season. I
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: was more worried about the defense. In the offense, I
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: felt they had the tools on offense to be good,
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: not great good. And I was worried about the defense
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: because you know, you lost J. C. Jackson, who was
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: going to emerge, you know, ouch, we didn't know what
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: we're gonna get out of him. We didn't know. We
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: didn't know if Judon, if the fade was real, if
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: you know, how he was gonna you know, so there
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: were to me, there were a lot more questions going
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: in on defense. You know, on offense, I was excited
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: about having Parker. I thought he was only going to
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: make the offense better Mac Jones in his second year,
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: and I was wrong. You know, flip it, it's the opposite. Now.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: The defense is the only reason you're competitive, Yeah, you know.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: And also you know, throw in the opponents that we
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: were looking at, and I mean we're in at the
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: tail end of this gauntlet that they've been going through
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: where every week it's another top receiver. I mean, I
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: was with you, Fred, and I think you know we
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: all agree. I still think the offense is better than
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: it's showing up talent. I think they're underperforming absolutely. You know,
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: the attention to detail on offenses what bugs me the
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: most since not only is it from a situational standpoint,
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: like knowing the play when they checked to a screen
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: on a blitz by, also like the route running that
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: I've been talking about a lot, spacing, the actual technique
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: of the route like put I got into it yesterday
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: on Twitter about the stupid play action pass and I
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: wish I've been I've been trying to walk away more
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: this season, and I got into it with everybody on
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: it and they're like, he's late, He's late to the throw,
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: and it's like, that's because when Jacoby Myers comes off
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: the line, he gives a little hop step, then he
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: gives like six head fakes, and then he decides to
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: actually break on the route. Like the amount of time
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: it takes for these guys to actually get into the
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: route and declare if they're breaking inside or out based
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: off of the option that they have is it's the
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: timing of the whole thing is such a major issue.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: And that, to me is why I'm disappointed in Belichick
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: is because that type of quality control stuff, I thought
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: he would have his fingerprints on. Right. So, okay, maybe
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: you know a wide receiving core of DeVante Parker and
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: Jacoby Myers and born in Agalore and the two times
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: maybe that's not an elite passing attack, and maybe Max's
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: not an elite quarterback, but everything would be buttoned up right,
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: and it's so far from buttoned up that now they're
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: they're underperforming right this group. Yes, And that's I'd tie
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: that to the last question too, which is that the
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: thing that's distressed distressing about this all is you know,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: just the things that you've come to believe about a
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: Bill Belichick coach team that they're you know, not going
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: to take a bunch of prestap stupid penalties, that they
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: are going to be hammering down on the details that
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: you know, those are the things that they're going to
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: do to overcome the talent gap. But you know, I
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: think going in the season, you know, Fred and I
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: were like, well, I mean, if you if you're able
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: to tap down in the cornerback depth and you've got
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: you know, Jacobe Meyers lined up against their number three
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: or then before like you know, you got Hunter Henry
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: and he started like you know, you felt like you
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: had some options that you could at least play with
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: even without that big number one fret those matchups and
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: the other thing I was wrong on And I honestly
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: thought that having Judge in Patricia on offense wasn't a
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: bad thing. That they would be okay, you know, because
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: they had that overall experience seeing a team from the
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: highest level, and they take that experience to you know,
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: their new jobs. And you know, I don't know how
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: good a job Joe Judge is doing, honestly, Like how
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: do you even know? But like you know, Mac isn't
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: doing well, so then he's the quarterback coach. Ergo, he
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: must not be, you know, so like it's hard to tell.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: But I was wrong there too, you know, just going
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: back to training camp with Joe Judge because I think
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: it's an interesting question of how involved is he and
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: how much should we blame him for what's going on.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: But remember out at camp, they because Matt Patricia was
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: working with the offensive line so much, it did seem
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: like that Joe Judge was kind of the passing game
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: coordinator for a period of time there. And then we
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: were just out at practice just now and they allowed
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: us to watch just a little bit of extra practice
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: and Joe Judge was working with the quarterbacks and receivers,
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: and Matt Patricia was on the other side with the
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: offensive lineman, so I think from it now, they were
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: throwing against air, so it's not like they're actually getting
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: into real offense at that point. But it is interesting
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: that the guy coaching up the little details of what's
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: going on from a from a passing games standpoint was
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: Joe Judge, It wasn't Matt Patricia, right, Bob writes, and
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: has Bill ever replaced a coordinator before the coordinator left
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: on their own. It seems that nobody has ever been
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: fired or released, only leaving for a head coaching gig.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: That's the case, then we're going to watch Patricia's send
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: in plays for a long time. No team's going to
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: be knocking on his door for a head coaching job
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: anytime soon. All we can do is put faith into
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: Bill's decisions and hopefully they work out like they mostly do. Um.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure Hessey ever, Yeah, Dave Googs, but the
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: offensive line coach. You've only had two offensive coordinators three sorry,
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: three offensive coordinators in twenty years, and defensive corners three two.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: I think what Cornell Demps and Dean Pace is the
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: other guys four. Sorry for DMP's just kind of disappeared. Yeah, honestly,
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: they still but has gone on to coach. No, he's
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: a good coach. I'm just saying, right, I don't think
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: that the word firing never leaves this building, right, Like,
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: you're never going to hear a report of like so
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: and so got fired by Bill Belichick because they're very
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: careful about how they word it. But Dean Peace just
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: faded into dust right after twelve, after the twelve eleven
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: or twelve. Yeah, and he goes to m Ravens, right
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: the Ravens and then and then subsequently beat us and
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: and Patricia takes over the defense at that point. So
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: they've definitely it hasn't been a ton, but they've definitely
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: had guys that have just you know, Googs was probably
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: the best example of somebody that was truly fired after
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: that season, and it was also because Dante came back.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I remember seeing Googs. That was like probably
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: the last game of the season. We're in Miami and
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: I'm walking down the street and he's like in front
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: of this restaurant with some people. I'm like, hey, Googs,
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: I'll see you next year. He goes, I don't know,
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: so he knew the writing was on the wall, knew
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: was on the wall. He was a good guy, though,
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: um Tony writes in um, so maybe it's time for
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: coach to make new friends, bringing outsiders instead of grooming
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: guys who are gophers, taking him to the airport, getting coffee,
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: breaking down film, then unpaid assistance, then assistance to the
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: assistant regional manager and office reference, then assistant coach then
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Yeah, I mean there is something to
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: be said, Like, you know, when you get into the
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: psyche of who Bill Belichick is, you know his his
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: you know what makes him in what he thinks he
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: looks for in other people. I think a lot of
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: it is he the way he rose up, is the
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: way he likes other people that rose up. You know,
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: he famously talks about making twenty five dollars a week
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: and sleeping on the floor in Baltimore, you know when
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: he worked for the Colts, and you know, like he
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: wants other people to kind of go through those steps
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: as well. It seems, you know, he likes that where
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: you start as low level and you kind of learn
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: a lot. You don't just learn one thing about the team.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: You learn a lot of things and then eventually you're
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: given a position. I think out where Barbelio was before this,
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: but I mean he he would have been kind of
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: around a little bit. I mean still kind of came
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: in as like an offensive. He came in and they
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: wouldn't give him a He didn't get the title right away,
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: you know, um, yeah, that was there. There have been
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: cases where they always just like this, like twenty three
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: year old kid right out of school that you graduates, Yeah,
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: like it's it's you still find something googly elbows one
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: of those examples, and then they didn't. I just think
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: that O'Brien to me, and that's why I love it
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: so much. As for them, is because he's not a pushover. Right,
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. He's not a yes man, just because
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: he's got ties to Bill and he's got options to
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: go anywhere that he wants. Not anywhere, but a lot
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: of places that he would want to go. So if
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: Bill's telling him to do one thing and he doesn't
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: want to do it, he doesn't have to be here,
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: ye right. And the second thing I would just say is,
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: you know, I just want Bill to take an approach
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: that Nick Saban has taken in recent years where he
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: knows he's defense, right, Like, Nick Saban knows that his
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: strength is on the defensive side of the ball. So
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: on offense, he's getting name brand coordinators. He's not messing around, right.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: He goes from Lane Kiffin to Sarkisian to Bill O'Brien,
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: and he's getting guys that are basically head coaches of
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: your offense, right like, and that's what Josh was when
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: he was here. So I don't think it necessarily needs
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: to be branching out from the tree, so to speak.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: He just needs to get somebody that has that type
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: of metal. Yeah, he's a filth head coach too. We
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: love those, yeah, sure. M Pat will end the show
• 1:57:27
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• 1:57:33
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• 1:57:36
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• 1:57:39
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• 1:57:45
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• 1:57:48
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• 1:57:54
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