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#181 - Hit-Boy · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Buleg Cavs show special guests in here. Not only do
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  Speaker 1: we have a baby dinosaur little see three See three,
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  Speaker 1: your son is here who's also moonlighting as a velociraptor.
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  Speaker 1: We have hit boy in here. First of all, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: just keep on congratulating you every time I see you.
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  Speaker 1: Ship just keeps leveling up and leveling up. You see
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  Speaker 1: the interviews going viral, trying trying to brod Yeah, I was.
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  Speaker 1: I was actually thinking about that. I was like, I
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  Speaker 1: wonder if Kendrick like show with the family or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: So that's the first thing I thought. I was, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because I was like, yeah, I wonder when the Heart
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  Speaker 1: Part five came out, I was like, you know, all
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  Speaker 1: the people's faces he used. I wonder if like everyone
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  Speaker 1: had a heads up or just was on some real
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  Speaker 1: artists shit and just threw it out. Yeah, And it
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  Speaker 1: worked out because it was done with a great intention
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  Speaker 1: and great you know, great artistic executed perfectly. Man. What
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  Speaker 1: did you think of the Kendrick album Fire? Amazing? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: for sure? What is it like? What you know, you
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  Speaker 1: obviously worked with Kendrick in the past. You've worked with
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  Speaker 1: like who's who's that one artist that creative process. Who
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  Speaker 1: you've been in the studio with was like just different.
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  Speaker 1: That was like the most unique because you've been in
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  Speaker 1: with everybody. I mean, it's like I can't say because
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  Speaker 1: everybody got their own unique you know ways about him,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like working with somebody like
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  Speaker 1: Big Sean, like how he always just make sure he
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  Speaker 1: really dial in on every lyric, every line, Like he'll
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  Speaker 1: say some shit and I'm like, oh, that's it, it's fire.
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  Speaker 1: He'd be like, nah, I think I can come with
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  Speaker 1: something crazier. So just even watching artists just that that
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  Speaker 1: that helps me game perspective, helps me to want to
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  Speaker 1: push further. You know what I'm saying. Have you taken
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  Speaker 1: any of the stuff you've seen on the producer side
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  Speaker 1: when you work with artists and applied it to your
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  Speaker 1: ship as a rapper, any of the creative stuff I'll
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  Speaker 1: be sitting next to na as well, you know what
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  Speaker 1: i mean. That's what I'm saying. Engineered most of the
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  Speaker 1: not songs. So I literally watched, you know, the way
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  Speaker 1: he's delivered in the lyrics, the way he's writing them,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like I have no choice but to be
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  Speaker 1: leveling up every time we link up. So you'll applied
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  Speaker 1: some of that stuff to your own one million percent.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I'll be stupid not to. So Coursa is
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  Speaker 1: officially the YouTube premieres out Friday. I think there's it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be on DSP, DSP's Thursday Night. It's on YouTube
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  Speaker 1: right now, It's on YouTube right now. DSPs this week
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  Speaker 1: going crazy. Man, we got the merch course of all that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so give me cause obviously you and Dom half a
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  Speaker 1: mil you guys already have a great, a great legacy.
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  Speaker 1: Is this going into the direction of another joint project
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  Speaker 1: or what is what's going on? Me and Dom we
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  Speaker 1: just always we got a crazy, just good friendship. Just firstly,
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  Speaker 1: so the music is just becoming, you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 1: And this was a joint we did and we both agree, like, bro,
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  Speaker 1: we got to drop this like it's shit different. What
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  Speaker 1: are we talking on the radio. I think he's trying
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  Speaker 1: to get out of that mask. Let's check it off
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  Speaker 1: and he's trying to figure that out. You good, see
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  Speaker 1: through you good buddy, that's bouleg We're gonna get you
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  Speaker 1: some chips man. Yeah. So you and Dom, you just
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  Speaker 1: are I mean you guys are always working, always working,
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  Speaker 1: and of course it was just something we came up
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  Speaker 1: with and it just felt right, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: We we took the song to New York. I went
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  Speaker 1: to Brooklyn and uh song went out to bed Sty
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  Speaker 1: and just played the joint like it wasn't even like
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  Speaker 1: no force ful, like we about to record, y'all. Let's
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  Speaker 1: like I want you to dance to it. They just
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  Speaker 1: was dancing to that mother for You're Getting Sturdy. They
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  Speaker 1: was just doing it on their own. Yeah, it was fly. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I sawry so they were doing the New York.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what that dance. You know, what's that?
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  Speaker 1: What's that called that be doing? Getting sturdy? Getting start? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the drill the drill wave in New York is crazy
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  Speaker 1: right now. So I see you have a surf club
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  Speaker 1: chain on For people who don't know that is kind
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  Speaker 1: of the origins of everything. You kind of came into
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  Speaker 1: the game shout out to h the whole surf club ship,
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  Speaker 1: that whole movement was insane. Is this something you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: be resurrecting. I mean it never went away, like surf
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  Speaker 1: club that's just been at the core of everything I do.
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  Speaker 1: But you know I started because it went it went
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  Speaker 1: yeah to Surf Club to hsaighty seven, which is just
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  Speaker 1: like I feel like HS eighty seven is like my
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  Speaker 1: heart and soul of the music aspect of what I do.
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  Speaker 1: Surf Club is just the overall lifestyle. That's how I
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  Speaker 1: live my life. Just so some wavy ship like we've
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  Speaker 1: been on that for years. So you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 1: we I mean Surf Club, I'm about to really be
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  Speaker 1: putting out you know, new music, new artists, my own music,
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  Speaker 1: just like really pushing the Surf Club through the Serf Club.
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  Speaker 1: So that is officially going to be like your label. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this gang though, like everybody that's from Surf Club, they
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  Speaker 1: could do what they do with the with the wave
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  Speaker 1: because we all started it together. What uh would there
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  Speaker 1: be any of the old AGHA eighty seven guys you
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  Speaker 1: try to like I always think about k Roosevelt and
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  Speaker 1: do me now and how perfect of a song that was.
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  Speaker 1: And it's crazy because I feel like you were as
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  Speaker 1: as crazy as HS eighty seven was. Somehow just the
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  Speaker 1: timing wasn't right. Yeah, I mean, well everything was changing
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  Speaker 1: with uh you know DSPs and you know, going over
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  Speaker 1: from people buying music to like completely streaming, and they
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  Speaker 1: were still trying to calculate how to do all that.
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  Speaker 1: So we got kind of caught up in the whirlwind
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  Speaker 1: of that. And I feel like not having the right infrastructure,
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  Speaker 1: not having the right people on my team speaking for
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  Speaker 1: me while I'm making this music, because it's hard to
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  Speaker 1: make the music and have to think about the business,
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  Speaker 1: to have to think about all the other aspects of everything.
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  Speaker 1: And you had you had a pretty serious roster too, Like, uh,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't like you just had a couple of artists.
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  Speaker 1: You had audio push camp money. I forget what was
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  Speaker 1: the young lady's name be mack be Mac the queen,
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  Speaker 1: you know it was k Rose. I just like kind
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  Speaker 1: of just opened up, you know, the opportunities I had
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  Speaker 1: opened up my House of Hit era, the House of
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  Speaker 1: Hit area, just just like opening up the studio, opening
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  Speaker 1: up the opportunities for everybody to just come and do
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  Speaker 1: their thing. And it was a super like a real
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  Speaker 1: learning curve for me, just like on how to really
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  Speaker 1: move in the game. And now you kind of are
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  Speaker 1: probably able to take some of those lessons you learned
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  Speaker 1: and then apply him to the surf Club. How many
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  Speaker 1: years later is this seven years? It was that twenty fourteen,
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  Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, almost nine years, bro for real? Well, I
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  Speaker 1: mean we was going well, Granted All My Life was
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  Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. Yeah, so damn it. Eight that was eight years,
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  Speaker 1: eight years. I remember hearing Granted All my Life at
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  Speaker 1: least a year before it came out. Yeah, you used
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  Speaker 1: to pull up. Yeah that's crazy. And I remember when
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  Speaker 1: you told me that that was your dad rapping. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, wait a minute, free big hit too man
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  Speaker 1: for your pops. Man. I remember that was the wildest
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  Speaker 1: shit because when he was like, hit boys my son,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, wait, wait, bue, yes my pops. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: shout out to your dad man free him. Is there
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  Speaker 1: going to be uh? I just want to thank you
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  Speaker 1: because you are Obviously NAS has a lot to do
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  Speaker 1: with it, but just in terms of kind of I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what it is about your relationship with Nas,
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  Speaker 1: but it is inspired him to release a high quantity
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  Speaker 1: of music over the last couple of years. The fact
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  Speaker 1: we got Magic just as like a bonus last year
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  Speaker 1: was fucking incredible. I think Magic low Key might be
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  Speaker 1: my favorite of the three albums. That's the funny thing.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what's motivational for me, and I would say
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  Speaker 1: him as well, is the fact that every time we
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  Speaker 1: drop a project, people are like, na, this one better
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  Speaker 1: than the last one. They've gotten better each time exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So my thing is like, let's just keep leveling it
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  Speaker 1: up every time and kind of just competing with ourselves.
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  Speaker 1: We're not obviously nas is who he is, like he
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  Speaker 1: seemed he's cemented in this ship and you know, legend
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  Speaker 1: royalty all that, but it's like he just motivated to
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  Speaker 1: make the music and it's just strictly about that, and
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  Speaker 1: that's why it's just leveling up. How much of King's
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  Speaker 1: Disease three is has been worked on? Man, I can't
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  Speaker 1: say a percentage, man, But you guys, it's it's it's happening.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, you know he said it, don't
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  Speaker 1: magic it. Yeah, I'm saying he said it. So it's
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  Speaker 1: on the way. So it is on the way. It's
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  Speaker 1: the way nice is it when you guys get in
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  Speaker 1: for a new project, is it is there any sort
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  Speaker 1: of direction or is it just such an organic vibe
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  Speaker 1: that it's like whatever comes out comes out, you guys, guys,
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  Speaker 1: that's basically how it is like because we we just
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  Speaker 1: kept recording after KT two, and you know, it was
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  Speaker 1: a moment where it was like maybe this is KTI
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  Speaker 1: three and was like, nah, we got to just go
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  Speaker 1: with a completely new concept and he just was knocking
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  Speaker 1: him out up until the point where it was like, nah,
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  Speaker 1: we got to drop some you know, two in one years.
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  Speaker 1: That shit's big, bro. And it's crazy too, because like,
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  Speaker 1: I know, you guys won uh you got something to say? Say?
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  Speaker 1: What up? He's like, I'm straight. I was gonna say,
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  Speaker 1: you guys obviously want to Grammy for Rap Album of
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  Speaker 1: the Year in twenty twenty one, right, twenty twenty Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: ship the whole last couple of years, everything is just stemic.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, it's crazy. But I feel like King's Disease
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  Speaker 1: two was the better album of oh what exactly. I
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  Speaker 1: mean that's how a lot of people. Yeah, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like Magic is better than the other two exactly. So
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  Speaker 1: it's like that's why you can't really call it man,
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  Speaker 1: Like you gotta just just keep it pushing after you know,
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  Speaker 1: the decision, even with my Producer of the Year award,
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, twenty twenty you got you got
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  Speaker 1: snubbed twenty twenty one, it came back around. You got
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  Speaker 1: the nomination. That's the nomination you should have took. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of people have said that, but it is what
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  Speaker 1: it is. You got to keep pushing for that next year. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what who ended up winning the year you were nominated?
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  Speaker 1: Last year? Who won? What was his name be? Truth?
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  Speaker 1: Jack Antonov? Right? Yeah, I mean congrats to him for shure.
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  Speaker 1: I never met him or nothing, but but he ain't
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  Speaker 1: on a hit boy run. To be honest, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like you and Alchemist Loki have had the craziest like
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  Speaker 1: underrated Well yours you're not as underrated, but I feel
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  Speaker 1: like you and now have really been like nah, and
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  Speaker 1: Alchemist is just pure just in terms of just putting
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  Speaker 1: out shit NonStop the last few years. It's just quality. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Like I mean he was like killing shit before I
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  Speaker 1: even ever made a beat of course. Yeah, that's what's
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  Speaker 1: just ill to just that's motivation for me. It's like, damn,
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  Speaker 1: you could keep leveling it up. You can keep reaching
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  Speaker 1: new heights and just making the ship that you want
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  Speaker 1: to make. You know what, I love wash When you
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  Speaker 1: guys did your verses, you and boy wanted during the pandemic.
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  Speaker 1: It was one of the early ones. That was the
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  Speaker 1: first one after Swizz and Timberland. That's right. They didn't
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  Speaker 1: even set theirs up. They just got in the car
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  Speaker 1: board during the pandemic and start playing records. Right. What
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying, ours was, you know, set up. It was
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  Speaker 1: people tuned in and tapped into that. It's crazy too,
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  Speaker 1: because it happened kind of like pre the Grammy pre
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  Speaker 1: I think King's Disease wasn't out yet right now. There
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  Speaker 1: was so much I was the super underdog, big time
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  Speaker 1: under the time. But I feel like during that verses
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  Speaker 1: you just had to kind of remind people like, Yo,
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  Speaker 1: that's why it was good. And that's what I loved
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  Speaker 1: about Versus in the early days is it was giving
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know, flowers to the people that don't
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  Speaker 1: normally get you know, the flowers or whatever. So I
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: feel like that that was the aspect that was so
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: ill to me, and it felt really organic. There was
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: something about it not being as produced when it was
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  Speaker 1: just like yo, we're going live and I'm in my spot,
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  Speaker 1: you're in your spot. That it made it intense. I
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  Speaker 1: think it made it intense, and I just think it
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  Speaker 1: it introduced like a unpredictability that like once they got
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  Speaker 1: it like really together, it was like, yeah, it's like
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  Speaker 1: kind of watching the TV show now, Yeah for sure,
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  Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, it's super produced in high level high
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  Speaker 1: There was something about like you known, my connection was
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: good people trying to figure out the sound, like when
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  Speaker 1: Riza and Primo were trying to figure out like yo,
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  Speaker 1: yo you no, no, try this, try this. It was
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  Speaker 1: just something about that that was like vintage verses, Like
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even know the last eight on MJG. Shit,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even know that was going on when it
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  Speaker 1: was going on. I've seen people like yo, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: even know it was the verses happening right now. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think the last verses that I was really honed
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: in on was the Bone Thugs one with three six
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  Speaker 1: just because I'm a big Bone fan and I just
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: wanted to see how that went and it was an
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: entertaining one because Busy Bone got extremely emotional. And last
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  Speaker 1: big one I remember it was the Gucci and Geezy one.
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  Speaker 1: That was probably the no. Was that was that before
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: Jada kiss? You know what was that after? Before that
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: was before so maybe ye jadakiss joint I was like
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  Speaker 1: the pinnacle. Yeah, I think the Kiss moment is like
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: the greatest versus performance ever. I think Jada it was
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  Speaker 1: the raws hip hop. It's the most raw shit because
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: he won the verses by just being like, like that
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  Speaker 1: freestyle he did was like it was like dude, like
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: that's just no no extras. It was the epitome of
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: why we love hip hop music, Like how we grew
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: up listening to this ship. It's like Kiss just went
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: up there and put on a clinic like how to perform,
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: how to just like fuck the hits. He had the hits,
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: but like just yeah, try to do this. You guys
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: are wrapping over your tracks over there. Shout out to
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  Speaker 1: Kiss man. What I also love is how you've just
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: been kind of bringing a lot of worlds together sonically,
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: whether it's bringing Blast into the room with Nas or
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: having Dom Kennedy on a record with Like, there's certain
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: like collaborations that probably never would have happened. And from
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: like somebody who loves West Coast hip hop and just
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: loves hip hop in general, I'm like, that's that's the
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  Speaker 1: have worked together had they not linked don Toliver. Yeah, like,
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  Speaker 1: I just I just think of it as music, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'll really you know, categorize shit.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just like, if it can, if it can sound
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  Speaker 1: quality in my head, I know I can bring that
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: out to speakers. Yeah, one hundred percent. Who are some
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: of the younger artists right now? Because you do have
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: your ear to the street, your studios kind of become
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: like a it's a special place. Man. Who are some
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: of the younger artists right now that you're checking for
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: that aren't on Surf Club? And then let's shout out
• 13:39
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• 13:41
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  Speaker 1: I mean, right now, I'm playing the homie spank Nybie
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  Speaker 1: he he out of the Ie he out of Hemmet.
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  Speaker 1: I actually found a yeah deep in the I Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: my homeboy Price from Audio Push actually killing it put
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  Speaker 1: me on his music, you know what I'm saying, probably
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  Speaker 1: think it's on tour with a big criit right now.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: He's doing his thing for sure. So he put me
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: on Spank music some years ago. And it's funny he
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: used to be signing me and now I'm me and
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Spank be working on a lot of music together. Yo.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: For people who don't know him, it is as deep,
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: oh that it's very deep, Like I mean, it's like
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: it's like breaking bad ship up right up right over there,
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: like close to coach. Really Yeah, some breaking bad shit
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: going on in him for sure. Yeah damn. So it's
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: it's it's that's someone you're working with. That's somebody I'm
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: working with, somebody I've just been building making music with
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: and I don't know exactly where it's gonna go, but
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: we've just been trying to figure it out how long
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Because somebody like I feel like you and Blast have
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: kind of similar parallels in terms of like just you
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: guys have been around for a long time. Now Blast
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: finally got his flowers recently. But did you ever know Blast,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Like back in the day when he was producing, he
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: was in a group. He used to be in a group.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Forgot the name of the group, but I know the
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: homegirl Jizzle first introduced me to Blast. She brought him
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: to my studio and he was playing joints from his group,
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: I believe at the time, and she was telling me
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: how he kind of was like creative directing his own shit,
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: so he always had the vision. That's one thing I
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: realized looking back, you know, watching Travis Scott go from
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: literally zero to where he is now, watching Frank Ocean
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: not even be an artist. He was writing songs to
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: my beats, you know what I'm saying, not even just
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: to sell them to other people. Just watching these people
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: like they also had a vision for themselves early, Like Travis,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: he knew the type of videos he wanted to make.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: He knew how he wanted to dress, how he wanted
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: his hair. I remember seeing Travis opened up for Casey
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Veggies back in the day, like twenty ten, eleven, twelve,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: I don't remember, I remember what year was. Yeah, it's crazy.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: And then I didn't know so Frank. You knew Frank
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Ocean prior to him actually decided to become an artist.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: One of his first placements ever was this song that
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: he wrote on a beat that me and Chasing Cash did.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: It was a song for Brandy that was on one
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: of her albums, and he wrote the songs Oh Ship,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: It's chasing called first in Love, It's Chasing Cash. Going
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: to be involved in the obviously og Surf Club member
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: is he like? He shot me the logo that I
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: made my chain out of, and we're using that shout
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: out hit to his clothing line too. I forget what fire? Yeah, crazy,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: he'd be getting love shout out to the New Orleans
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: legend man million damn. That's it's crazy how much history
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: you've been a part of them? Man for sure. I
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: mean even like said Drake Repens Serf Club back in
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: the day. You go listen to his A Milli freestyle,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: he shouted out Serf Club. Go listen to nine am
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: in Dallas. He's shouting out Serf Club in Chase just
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: like this. It's real deep rooted. So you know what
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. When we when we pop out just on
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: some shit people just got to know it's history to this.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Can you give me what is your best story? Because
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: I'm real tight with you know, in Phoenix we got
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: a legend to us and he is a legend. Shout
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: out my brother Lifted, who produced Mercy. We used to
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: be around each other a lot out in Hawaiian, right,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: so he would tell me some of these stories about
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Hawaii or even like some of these hotel sessions up
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: in like some hotel suites out in London. Yeah, in London, Yeah,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: like yeah, I just flew in and Kanye had the
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: studio set up in a hotel suite. I remember we
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: was all in there and me, Lifted, pushed. It was
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: pretty much the whole roster of good music. And they
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: played the Mercy beat and Sean was literally sitting on
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: the floor everybody around him, and he just like recording
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: his verse like vibe and shit was crazy. Kanye was
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: like kind of coaching him like it was a moment. Wow.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: So he's just recording it in the room, just sitting
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: on the floor holding the mic and on the floor
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: like just going over his parts. That's crazy. There was
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: another song that I may or may not have heard
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: a snippet of that Never Has seen the light of
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Day that was similar to Mercy. Now. I know they
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: put out a Mercy Part two that wasn't crazy, But
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: there was another record that I think was supposed to
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: be what was the other Cruel Summer is the one
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: we got, and they were supposed to be Cool Winter,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Full Winter. Yeah, I mean I still got a bunch
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: of beats in my zips that say Cruel Winter ideas,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Like I was presenting ideas for Cruel Winter because I
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: had three or four songs on Cruel Summer. That's crazy.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Did you hear any of the Cruel Winter shit? We
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: just I mean probably probably stuff that could have been
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: on there. Hey man, you got a new dinosaur match.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: You gotta let them. If Drastic Park comes out on Friday,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: right right right, you're gonna go see it. Jurassic Part
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: probably How dope was it because I know that there
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: was like a I don't know, like a weird energy
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: between you and ya, and then it was dope to
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: see you guys kind of get back together around the
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: time that the Donda Kings King's disease shit was happening,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: really like linking up with game like linked up with
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: him top of January and we just start cutting. After
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: we after like three days, we probably had like eleven
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: twelve joints, and there was one joint in particular. I
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: was like, Yo, you need to have Yay pull up
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: the chilice so we can get him on this joint.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: We end up playing a bunch of stuff and easy
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: was one of the ideas that game had already had.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: And as soon as Kanye had heard the Easy party,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: tapped me like, Yo, this like this the one basically
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: and how he ended up hopping on it. That was
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: something that him and the homie Duke. Duke is fire
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Duke crazy. You know what I'm saying, shout out of
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Ohio to homies Cleveland. Yeah, he also Duke could also
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: be he's also security slash producer as a mountain of
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: a man. I've been doing Duke for a minute. Yeah,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: he's a He's an incredible producer. So what's up, man?
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: We got something to say? Say? How old are you?
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Do you know? You know it's okay? Kids shy man.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I kid was shy. He was up until he was
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: like six. Yeah, these game sessions were crazy because I
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: remember going to listen to like he invited me to
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: the studio, and it was you know, we know how
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: studio sessions are, and they're not like how people think
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: they are. Like you know, if you tell your girl
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: you're going to the studio and she doesn't know better,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: she's gonna think there's a bunch of hoes and a
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: bunch of bullshit going on, and it's not like that. Well,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: these sessions were definitely like that. There are they are
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: one rapper sessions. It was some real vintage I call
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: it club game. It was club ship, so it's a
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: whole bottles, it's a bars around. But the crazy thing
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: is is he's in there knocking out four or five
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: songs a night. Man, he's in there focus no matter
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: what's going on. Ever have one hundred people in my
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: session and get all this done. So I mean applaud
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: to him, and it's that Nigga's crazy. How many beats
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: do you have on the dramatic project that's coming out
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: on the Seventeen't know, because I know they're trying to
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: clear samples and I don't know what's going to clear.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Was not we we use a bunch of samples, so
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: we're gonna see was that like, uh, you you and Game.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Did you guys ever work together previously? Yeah? I worked
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: on the Red album. Okay, yeah, I did some ship
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: on there. So we always was tapped in and we
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: we we had other joints, but just nothing that ever
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: came out. And then uh, we just tapped in Top
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: of the Year right after Magic came out. It was
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: just an energy in the air. So he pulled up
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: and at first it was just like us just in
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: the stool for you know, three four days, and we
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: knocked out a bunch of stuff. And after that he
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: got inspired and he was like, man, I'm about to
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: start booking my own room and he just turned it
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: into club. Yeah, he booked that room across from me. Yeah,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: that ship's crazy. You want some chips? You want some chips? Man?
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: You want a I have two phones. You want to
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: play on one of them? You want to watch YouTube?
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: You want to what kind of kid ship to have
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: on my phone? This? This is the good phone. So
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: it ain't getting crazy on him. You wanna you wanna?
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: You want to play game? He's like, what what the fuck? Man?
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Who was this white man? Yeah? No, it was I
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: feel like because a game had played me some shit.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Probably like late last year. This is before he started
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: working at Chalice, and he had like what I guess
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: he considered his album. Some of it was dope, but
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: then the ship that he was working on at Chalice
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: was just crazy. It was like a whole new energy.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I can't even tell you how many songs he got
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: because I know just between me and him, we got
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: about thirty something songs. So I'm like, he didn't have
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: a hundred producers and he must have two or three
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: hundred songs, Like, yeah, really go like that. So once
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Kanye pulled up to cut here, because we all saw
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: the footage of him at the studio, was that like
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: where you guys kind of really had like a moment
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: to kind of move past whatever energy had been. I mean, yeah,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: at least for that moment, for sure, it was dope.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Like I was able to at the you know, we
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: was in game room. I was like, bro, you got
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: to come into my room and just bless the energy,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: like you know, Nipsey been in there, being there so
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: many people, I'm like, I gotta have you pull up.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: And he pulled up. I was able to play him
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: a couple of beats and we was vibing but we
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: haven't connected on anything else yet. Was this prior or
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: after the random drink Champs interview happened? This was before
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: because then that interview happened in Sean's like, I was
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: just with this dude, like, you know how that went
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: down out, it's crazy, You're gonna be able to edit
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: all this right? So yeah, that was the That was
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: the funny part for me, because how that thing went
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: down was I reached out to somebody that you know,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Kanye was rocking with. This was around maybe maybe October,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: and I was like, yo, me and Sean got this
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: song called what a Life? We drop in and I
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: want to see if Yay hop on the remix. So
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: his people was like, yo, you know I reached out
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: to him. Yay is open to the idea, but he
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: wants to chop it with you and Sean. Come to
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Sunday Service. So we pull up the Sunday Service. It's
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: all love. We chopping it. I'm telling him and Sean like, yo,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: we need to do Click part two. It's a vibe
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: whatever whatever. Yeah, and then you know a few days
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: later the joint come out and I was just confused
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: as to how like he had already recorded the Drink Champs,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: but we are in his face and he's not saying nothing.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: So it's just like that just threw me off. Yeah.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Sometimes the Drink Champs, you know, I know, sometimes they'll
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: hold interviews for like a month. I figured that's what happened.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I'm like, this had to have been recorded like a
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: few weeks ago or something. I mean, I think it
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: was just like recorders like some days or like a
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: week prior to you guys actually thinking of So that
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: just kind of hit you out, like what the fuck?
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, so it's like, you know, but it's
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: all love though. Man. Yes, they chopped it, they talked
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: it out. That's good. Something that you've because whenever I
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: have producers on, I want some chips. You want some chips? Bro? Yeah?
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Oh god. Something that I just talked to the south
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Side about. We just talked to hit Make about. I
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: try to like give game to up and coming songwriters producers,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: And something that you've been vocal about is your your
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: pub deal. And it is a mistake that a lot
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: of artists make, not even producers, just writers signing a
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: pub deal too early and getting taken advantage of. I mean,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I would say, you know, I've spoken on this in
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: a bunch of interviews, and I don't want to get
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: too deep right now, but I would just say that
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: any deal, period, make sure it's an exit plan. Make
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: sure that they can't you know. It's like my pop's
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: been in prison, in the system since he was like
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: nineteen years old. He's like fifty something now. So it's
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: like they'll railroad you and they'll find loopoh's and ways
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: to just keep you down, keep you in. And I
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: feel like I'm literally going through that, like no matter
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: how much money I earn or how much success I have,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: they don't really have to honor it because of the
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: way to the protract was written. Yeah, so it's like,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: make sure you got an exit plan. That's that's the most.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Have you tried buying yourself out of the deal. They
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: won't even let it happens. That's that deep. It's like
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: it's sticky. Just keep airing them out, bro. That's that's
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: why I gotta go crazy. That's fucking wild. Because you
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: say you've been in it since you were nineteen, Yeah,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: I'll just turned thirty five. I've been in this is
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: all the nineteen sixteen years that's so crazy. I don't
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: know if like it's acceptable anymore to offer those kind
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: of deals anymore, because I know that they're not well
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: from what I hear, like they've gotten rid of the
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: was it the nbrcs, because that's that minimum delivery the
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: delivery requirement I think where they'll tell you ten compositions. Yeah,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: but that's that's that's a thousand points. So if you
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: do a beat, what would you say, hit Like, if
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: you do a beat, it's like a typical amount of
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: points you would get on a record, like not even
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: you specifically, just in general your experience in the music industry,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: if you make the beat, mean, if you got a
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: good team and you got that leverage, I would say
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: four maybe five points sometimes per record, per song. Yeah
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: and so yeah, so if you have a thousand points,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: you have to recoup through the maths a lot. So
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: how about this if somebody because you know a lot
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: of times somebody like yourself established producer will reach out
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: and maybe get a loop pack from somebody. And I'm
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: not saying you do that, but I mean in general,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: like you know, sometimes we do a nice way to
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: get on. If you're an up and cooming artist is
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: to send loops out, Like if you're upcoming producer, if
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: someone uses your loop, is that something that? What? What?
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: What is? Ideally? What do you? Did you even get
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: cut in on the pub at that point? I mean yeah,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: I mean it just depends on what y'all work out, right,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: or if they have a set thing like oh, this
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: is this is, this is these are my terms or whatever.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: But most of the times, it's like, you know, it
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: depends on how much they do. Like I'm a super
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: fair guy. A lot of people, like even my counselor
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: been like yo, you like you're a super fair person.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Like it's people that take people's whole beats and don't
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: even give them and just throw the tag on it.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like it's yeah, no, it's crazy.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I mean it's happened a lot. I mean through out
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: hip hop, that's happened for sure, Like, no, I made
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: that beat, but your tags on. I've seen interviews about
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: legendary producers that I that I, you know, literally look
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: up to. It's like, nah, this person really made that beat.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, yeah, hit Maker just shared
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: a story about a big producer that just took the
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: whole song that he brought to them and then got
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: an ask cap a word for it. And he was
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: sitting there collecting his own ass cap word and he's like,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: the fuck man, crazy man, Let's get past this point
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: because I'll start getting deep. I bet it because I
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: thought that nigga do that. I thought hit Maker it
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: take niggas beats and songs like. I don't know him,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: so I asked him that I kind of had talked
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: to him about and he said, you know, yeah, I
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: bring people together and they get their credit, they get
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: their pub I look at him as like a like
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: a calde, like an executive, like may not be actually
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: making the music, but he knows how to point out
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: the right one. You know what he was saying, He's like,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: I cut everybody in on. I have a song deal
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: with Atlantic and somebody. He said, I have half of
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: the money, smart business. Half of that money that's allocated
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: to me. I set aside half of it for the
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: co producers, for the co writers, and they get all
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: their credit. Business man, for sure, I respect him on
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: the business and for sure, for sure, I mean you're
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: in there with the I mean I've seen you're a
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: fucking monster. How how like I was gonna say, like,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: how much has your beat making process changed over the years,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: because there's been so I mean, some people started on
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: fruity loops and then they've evolved to pro tools or
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: to reason or like what is like your current beat
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: making go to setup? What do you? What do you?
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: What are you cooking on? I've been on FL Studios
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: since two thousand and three, bro, almost twenty years. Still,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: I mean I've messed around with able to logic. Yeah,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: I use pro tools, I record and sometimes arrange one
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: beats in there. But I'm FL Studio Bro. I'm just
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: quick on it and shout out to a ninth wonder
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: who was the first guy was really put on really
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: heard about somebody super professional make using FL. Yeah, so
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: it's still fruity loops. So you gotta have a PC? Yeah? Well,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I mean no, they got it on Mac now do that.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: I didn't know. I know back in the day you
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: had to like partition your hard drive. That's what I
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: used to do. Yeah, I use a PC though that's fire,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: So you still use a PC. I use the Asis.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: So you got your you got your Mac. I'm sure
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: everyone's got a MacBook for other ship and then you
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: got your I just got the mac the computer to
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: just put my pro tool stuff on. I don't even
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: have a MacBook no more. That was that was just
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: what's you know, he's just a kid hanging out. He's
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: he don't know. He was the radio anything now anything
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: you want to add age. Tell him how old you are,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: real quick, say it on the microphone. How old are you, bron?
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: How old is he too? Too? Yeah, it's just say
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: two to Chuck de deuce man, how many kids you have? Kid?
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: It's only one? One of one? See three man ce three?
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: What is the Uh? He's a third? So your dad's
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: the first, you're the second, he's the third. That's fire.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Do you get to take him to go visit grandpa?
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Like when he's locked up? He was born like literally
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: a day before we went into lockdown in La so
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: he it was like, he's a COVID baby, you know
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. COVID baby. You know you can't have
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: really no visits in prisons during the COVID shit. So yeah,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: we don't work it out soon though. Hey, so nowadays,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: what I like about we're talking you have a team
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: around you. You You got a guy like jan Sport j
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: who's been around for a long time as an artist too.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: I remember seeing his shit on Two Dope Boys back
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: in the day. Six man, how important is it to
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: kind of like make sure you also surround yourself or
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: with just like other inspiring producers, guys who bring something
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: to the table, you know what I mean. I mean
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Janz Sport legendary, like he chopped samples like you know,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: bar None, Like he's one of the craziest doing that,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And that's just something that
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: inspired me, Like, I definitely got to keep myself surrounded with,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: you know, people that are just you know, in their
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: own land and just doing what they do. Yeah, how
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: because you know with with for people who don't know
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: you have a studio, Chalice that you've had for four years.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Four years in August, that's where you did Racks in
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: the middle, right, Racks in the middle. I did a
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: bunch of stuff, all of the one KT too magic. Yeah,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: it's it's a special place, man. Crazy. We did Burden
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: the Proof at Childie too. I think I was I
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: was there for that. Yeah, I was there for some
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: of that. Chick Conway was there that it's crazy west Side.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: It was hey and unofficially the start of the album.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: We're never gonna get the Freddie Gibbs Benny album. That's
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: probably never coming out. I hope it does. Man. If not,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: we will leak. We're gonna well you already kind of
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: leaked it. Well. I put it on my I g
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: one day. I was just playing it. I'm like, this
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: ship too hard. People got to hear this. Leaked it
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: on my you took it down, now I'll take it down.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Did anybody hit you about it? I did get hit
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: up for show. It wasn't even like take it down.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: I just was like, I'm gonna just take it. Hit
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: you up about it. A couple of people, couple people
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: from both sides. Yeah, like, yoh, what the fuck? I
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: thought about doing the same thing. I'm glad to was
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: you though, because you made it. I was like I
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: can't do this and I was just like this beat,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: crazy song. It's insane, nick loving. Hopefully it comes out
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: one day. Man, maybe if you do, like a car
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: it's on YouTube and all that show. Oh is it?
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I mean just like a leaked Oh just your version
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: that you put you put up, not the whole thing
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: in and maybe if you ever put out like a
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: producer compilation, well that's what's coming next. Like I'm about
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: to I'm actually starting to drop music this summer. I'm
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: gonna drop my first joint probably August. It's gonna be
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: just like my beats with different artists without you rapping.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: And I'm also dropping a rap shit at the same time,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: so doubling old fledge. Yeah. How how like I feel
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: like for somehow over the last five or six years,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: like you're still kind of been flying under the radar
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: for some of the projects you put out as a rapper.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like finally that tied is starting to
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: turn in terms of like you're getting a lot more
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: respect as an MC because you put out some great,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: great shit, not even like domb shit aside, like half
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: a milshit aside, like even the solo shit you were
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: putting out. Nah. I mean, I just feel like I
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: just feel it on a personal level, you know. And
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: then when I play the music, I show the new
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: videos I'm making, I just see the reaction, you know
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, a natural, organic reaction to the people
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: that I played it for. I'm like Yeah, I definitely
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: can see the growth. I can see what's up. I
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: can see how much just being around these great artists
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: like Big Sean like Nas and what dude, you don't
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: want me to talk, yo, you want to put this on?
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Let me see dinosaur mode. There you go, Oh he's outside. Okay. Yeah,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: just like seeing my own growth. Man, that's been super
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: inspired to me beyond just like if other people are
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: hearing it as well. It's just like, damn, like I
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: can I could just feel growth. Yeah, with this new
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: ship that's coming out obviously Corsa, is there going to
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: be what is is this the lead into like another project,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: a full project or is this just kind of like
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: most definitely it's it's okay man, we're here. People see
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: it on YouTube. There's a we have a two year
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: old with a toy where it happens. Damn. I was saying,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: like with Coursa, like what is this leading into? Like
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: like Coursa, that's some It's gonna either end up on
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: a half a mile project or a solo hit board
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: or whatever the case is. We're just making music at
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: this point and I just want to keep dropping, keep
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: the momentum up. Yeah. One hundred percent and that I
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: know you recently left rock Nation right on a management
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: on the management side, what what's something that you had
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: kind of learned on? Like obviously rock Nation is a
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: prestigious brand. Respects to them, Shout out to Hoe, Shout
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: out to everybody over there, everybody that locked in with me.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Were you able to like kind of like learn anything
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: of your time over there on the management side? Just
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: getting managed by those guys for sure, And just like
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: on a personal level, just the things that I see
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: for myself and the things that I want for myself,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: they have to align all across the board. And it's
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: like if it's any disconnection, it's gonna be tough. You
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I don't want to get into
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: the dtails of you know nothing, but it's all love
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: to the that's fire. What is uh? You know we've
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: seen a lot of producers do different business moves outside
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: of music. Are you working on anything that is not
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: necessarily directly music related? I got to hit boyog with
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: the homies, Illi canis you know what I'm saying? You
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: got some weed? I got it in some stores right now,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: some lemonades and some cookie stores and about to keep
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: pushing it, you know, do you actually like pull up
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: and like go to the grow and like figure out
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: exactly what your string is gonna be been to to
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: grow plenty of times. And then sometimes they'll bring like
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: even their lab person to the studio just oh, I've
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: been there and there's been pounds and pounds of weed
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: at your stud I don't even know if it's that guy,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: but there's just yeah. So they'll bring like, you know,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: their whole team to the stool just about with me
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: and bring me different strains to you know, piece together
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: that we can you know, but you're O g guy,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: hit boy OG is the overall brand. Waiting Game is
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: the strains. So this is like the first one. Waiting
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Game is not the most heavy og you know smoke,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: but it's a good smoke at the same time. But
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: the next one is we're gonna definitely hit him with
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: some ogs. I remember being there one night and there
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: was like a jeweler who was trying to rip everybody off.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Big Sean was there. I forget who it was, but
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: there was like a jeweler who like pulled And it's
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: funny because I've seen that actually happen a bunch of
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: times we're jewelery. I mean, this was the jeweler that
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: you know the little Baby when Little Baby was like
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: somebody told me a fake watch. This's the same jeweler
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: that was at my studio. I remember everybody once he
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: left was like, yo, this guy was really trying to
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: get over on us, like he's fucking crazy. Wow. But
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: you know it's wild. They got the some of the
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Ellis finesss ever, because think about it, it happens a lot.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen that jeweler pull up to the
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: studio prior. Like that shit happens all the time, where
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: somebody will pull up with a fucking suitcase of ice
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: in a room full of rappers. There's no way to
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: verify if the shit is and then they'll try to
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: upsell you like it's like they're selling. Like you know
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: when you get a little kid knocking on your door
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: trying to sell you some candy or some shit. It's
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: like like in the towel lately, it's candy dudes outside
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: of towel every night, like trying to sell you candy
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: right from outside of highlight room. Really get in the bag.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: It's like they must have learned from the Atlanta water boards,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: like why are we hanging out at Walmart? Why are
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: we hanging out at Target? Let's go to the fucking Word.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Let's go to where all the famous people. Let's go
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: sell some fucking candy to paparazzis for sure? What up, y'all? Hey,
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  Speaker 1: Let's get back to the podcast. Have you had it
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: like a little harder time because I feel like your
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: profile is higher now than it's ever been in your career.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Does it kind of change how you move? Have you
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: noticed like maybe you gotta have security now in places
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: maybe you didn't have to have it before. Biggas getting
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: ribbed for this shit and this shit all day around La,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: not just La. But you know what I'm saying, it's
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: like heavy out here, heavy and La. You gotta just
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: move proper in I'll be having my son with me, Like,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: you don't want to just get caught up in any
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: just situation being too just all over the place, So
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: I move militant regardless. Yeah, that's important. Why do you
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: think that is in La? Man? Like? Because it is
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: the thing in La. I think I think a lot
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: of it was because the edd was rampant out here,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: that shit dried up. People got to see something they
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: ain't ever seen and be in places ain't ever been
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: and it's like hard to let that go. So it's
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: like anybody by any means, so you just gotta be
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: moving right. You are somebody who took the pandemic and
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: like leveled up to uh, I think a career high.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: I did the same thing. What was a what was it?
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Was it a coincidence feed that the pandemic like worked
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: out for you in the right way, or was there
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: something that happened during the pandemic where you kind of
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: had to switch turn on? Because it kind of for me,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Like I said, this guy was born a day before
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: the lockdown, so it was like, nah, I gotta I
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: gotta go on the overdrive. Like I was already feeling
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: that way, like knowing he was coming. When he got here.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: It was like, nah, bros, a game changer. I gotta
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: kill ship, go to a new level. Yeah, once you
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: have a kid, man, it changes everything. Yeah, one hundred
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: per How old are you two? Say what? He's shy man,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: He's a shy little guy. I ain't mad at you, bro,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you some chips in a little bit.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: At least he don't have an iPad. You know, most
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: kids you get the iPad and're like, nah, for sure,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: I mean he'd be having an iPhone. He don't even
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: like the iPad. He got an iPad and he got
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: his own little cell phone he'll be using a lot
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: of kids are getting raised by iPads these days, for sure. Yeah,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. My son Millennium, he's eight years old.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I have YouTube going on the big TV downstairs,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: and I'll be like, the fuck are you? Bruh, the
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: fuck are you watching? Maybe into these uh what's the
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: mister beasts? And those YouTube right right YouTube channels are?
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: I mean he's still on like Blippy and like real
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: little kid. Yeah, the Blippy ship is lit. I don't
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: even know about it, bro when he was born, like
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: you know, that's when I first was watching Blippy come up.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: And then like last week, I'm going through like the Netflix.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: He's on Max. He's gonna do has like his own cartoon. Now.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. The Blippy thing is why it really came
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: well man, Yeah, crazy because I remember as a kid,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: like there was like Teletubbies and yeah, Blippy is that
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: guy right now for the kids and that little Asian kid, Ryan,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Ryan's toy, Ryan's world, Yeah right right, that kid yo,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: his his parents are eat what he's like nine? What's
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: he doing with one hundred million dollars? His parents? I
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: guess us us need to get him opening toys on YouTube. Nah,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: for sure, that's coming. Yeah, that's a that's a revenue
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: stream for sure. For sure. What else, obviously, besides your
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: solo ship, I'm sure you've got a lot of placements coming.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I know you can't divulge into all of those, but yeah,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I've been I've been tapped in man the hips working.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I'm actually working on a lot of music for the
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: new Madden that's dropping, the one with Madden on the cover.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Uh huh. Yeah, I'm doing a lot of like the
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: scoring for like the franchise mode, like when you're doing
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: a career mode, Like I'm basically all the scenes, like
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: I'm scoring them, So you're scoring them with all original
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: ship original music. That's big. Is this the first time
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: you've scored something like? Nah, I scored a movie called
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Corked that was on Netflix. Oh the guy that's actually
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: the black dude that's and I can't think of his name.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: He's in the new Jurassic Park that's coming out on Friday.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: That was one of his first big roles. And I
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: scored that whole movie and did a couple other things.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: But this is like, you know, when you score something
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: like that, do they send you those scenes dry and
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: then it's just up to you to set the vibe.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: They'll send well, they'll send me a reference that like
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: they might have, you know, picked a song or picked
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: a piece of music that they thought fit. So they
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: was like, try to at least match the energy. It
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: is like do your own thing, but try to just
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: make sure it has a pace, similar to how this
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: is movie. Wow, that's big. So you're kind of when
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: when are you go You're gonna get credit on? Man,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: it's probably gonna be like executive produced by hit Boy.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: That's huge. Somebody who I love that's young, that's up
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: and coming. He's from the Bay, but he's in La.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Have you got a chance to work with Simba yet?
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: I have not, but I mean I didn't seen him
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: tear down a few free styles. He's crazy. Duke working
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: with him, Yeah, Duke works with him. I feel like
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: you guys got to set up a session. Well, we
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: had set up a session, but this was maybe a
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: couple of years ago and time and his everything. He's special. Man. Yeah,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: So the game album, we don't know how many you have,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: but hopefully we'll find out on the seventeenth, I guess
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: we all gonna find out because that's like next week, right.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: I feel like Game is very, very sporadic. He's coming
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: on the show next week, so I'm gonna but yeah,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: it's like thirty songs and next week or you know,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: it's like that's a crazy guy, but he's he's a
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: great rapper man, so you know, let him just do
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: what he do. He is a great rapper and he's
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: got one of the more prestigious discographies. Yeah, especially on
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: the West Coast too, because Game don't put out whack
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: albums for sure. Like I can't think of a time
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: er I listened to a Game album and I was like,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: it's like solid alwayst I feel like he's and I
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: feel like not a lot of people can say that
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: everyone has weak points in their discography. I'm not sure
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Game has any. Because Red album was dope, fucking Jesus piece. Obviously,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Doctor's Advocate was my favorite. Hmm. I'm trying to think
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: lax Lax was fine. Album was crazy. Documentary two was dope,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of bars. Are you are You? And Benny
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: gonna do Burner Proof too, We're gonna see I want
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: to tape back in that was I was just working
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: with Jay Worthy the other day. We all tapped in
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: on a text message, like a group text. We want
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: to do something together, so we're gonna put it together.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's kind of his zelmatic, low key crazy.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: That's a crazy way to put it. Yeah, I mean
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: it kind of changed his life and that and you
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: know a lot of people would say that's his best
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: body of work. It would only be right. Would you
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: do another joint album with you know, because you and
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Conway shit is crazy? Man, that's somebody I was thinking like, man,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: we might as well just cranking out do I mean Conway?
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: I think that should be hard. Yeah, because Conway's that
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: guy that ship with him and Dave's Love that I
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: did was hard. Oh that's that was the first song
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: on the album in Yeah, that was Yeah. Did you
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: are you going to put Dave Wolf on that record?
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: That was Conway? Yeah? Because that shit came out crazy. Yeah. Yeah,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: shout out to the Griselda guys. Anything else that you're
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: working on? Man? What else should I bring up with me?
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Every day? That's a lot of courses on DSPs Friday
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: or there's new music. Man, I'm dropping a lot of
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: rap ship and I'm dropping a lot of production all
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: at the same is your production album compilation joint? Is
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: that already kind of like do you have like a
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: folder where there's already ship in there? Set aside? So
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: I got a lot of joints, different artists, but you
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: know it's it's clearances and it's a lot of nuances
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: that going to I'm gonna go out on the legend
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: say Nas and Don Kennedy might be on that album.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: That's a good guess, that's an easy one. And then
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: King's Disease three hopefully I'm working on the album with
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Belly to Belly, Are You serious? Ship? Album? Pretty much done?
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: We got some crazy joints, dude hip hop and some
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: turned up shit. Belly is one of my favorite rappers
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: just period, and he's like my shroom brother. Me and
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: him are very much into into the shrooms. Has Belly
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: tried to get you the eatrooms yet? Now, Belly ain't.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people have been talking about
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: strooms lately, but that's not my thing. But he does
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: cook a crazy mill a crazy tenderlin with these noodles,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: broy Can. He's such a prolific, so prolific on that pan.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Have you been in the studio with him? He has
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: this thing at his house. It's like a plate with
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: sand on it, and he got a few houses or something.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: No, no no, no, no no. So there's this like thing.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: It's there's a name for it, and it's like a
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: plate that has a bunch of sand on it and
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: it makes shapes the music that you play, whatever frequency
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: or whatever the sand moves into like the shapes of
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: it's it's crazy. You got to ask him about that ship.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: So you and Belly got a whole album coming. Yeah
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: the fuck I got to pull up on Belly in
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: here this ship. What did you guys record it at
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: his house? Your place? We recorded it at my spot
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: in his spot. Yeah, he got a crazy studio. Yeah,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: he's actually the producer CV with two Uh it's a duo.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: I forget their names, man, but they're super talented. I
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: would fuck I wish I remember their names. You probably
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: met the guys, the two guys he's got with them,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: the homies from XO. Yeah yeah, yeah, and he's got
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: a very moody French bulldog. Chips have been secured, ladies,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: The chips have been secured. So Belly album King's Disease
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: three hopefully Yeah, yeah, we you know, that's a tough one, bro,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: because it's the first time we got some real pressure
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: on us speak. We got so much lead time before.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: You really only had like seven days to prepare for
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: KD one, five days to prepare for kat two and
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: then Magic. We dropped the cover twelve hours before. How
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: magic shit came out out of nowhere. It was like
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: a twelve hours We dropped the artwork maybe twelve pm
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: and it dropped at twelve am. So we this is
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: the longest, like because he he said this, you know,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: on the song Ugly Katie three on the way. This
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: is real, Like it's pressure, this shit gotta be hard,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: gotta be and it's the trilogy. It's the trilogy. There
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: hasn't been any I mean shout out to the blueprint, right,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: there's three of those. There were some weak points in
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: the Blueprint. I mean I wouldn't I wasn't crazy about
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Blueprint three to be, but Blueprint two had some of
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: my favorite hope. Now, there was some fat that they
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: cut off when they did the Blueprint two point one.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: You remember that they put out like the original blueprint too,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: and then there was this You never know what that
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: was about. It was just because there was there was
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: some good ship on the Blueprint too, like some of
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: my favorite hope. I think the best storytelling song ever
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: is on there. It's called Me the Parents. Oh yeah,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: that's a classic record. But there was a lot of
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: bullshit on Blueprint. Blueprint too. So they did the two
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: point one. I feel like it was kind of like
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: because I always used to see that cover because they
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: had the red with the like split up. I just
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: never knew what I was. I think it was just like,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: all right, guys. I think it was their way of
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: trying to get people to really digest the fire shit
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: on that album. But you guys are two for two,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: three for three, But you know King's Disease three you
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: got You're right, kay, three gotta you gotta beat the one.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like the way you and Nabs work
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: together like this is just for life now? I mean
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: I was, I mean because I would hate like King's
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Disease three come out, and then I got cool, but
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: we completed the trilogy. We're moving on. You never know, bro, Honestly,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: we just kind of just move off the energy that's
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: present with us and it just seems like it's gonna
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: be going for a while, so let's just hope for that.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Who do you think you have similar chemistry with? I
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: would say Sean, I would say Dom. I actually got
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: a great fucking rapport with Don Tolliver, Like, you know,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: I did a single his first single on his last album,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: What You Need, and we're working on new music now
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: and it's like me and Bro got a synergy. You know.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: I love Don Tolliver because his voice to me is
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: just very just like there's very few people who have
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: like that unique pitch. That's you're like when you hear him,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: you hear him, that's you know who it is? Is?
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: He still managed by Cheddar the Connect. I would not
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: know Bro. Remember the Flick of the Wrist song from
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: what I understood for a while that was his manager,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: which is amazing because that song was south By Southwest
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: twenty fourteen encapsulated is Flick of the Wrist? Did you
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: ever do a south By run? Oh? Yeah, you came
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: to my stage and performed I used to go to
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: say I was going there way before even Niggas was
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: even a low poping. Yeah. No, that my first big
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: stage there. You guys performed. Do you remember that it
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: was you guys, Audio, Push, whiz Khalifa, Berner and Tye
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: performed Crazy Damn. You know runs used to be like
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: you were just going down you do like twelve shows. Yeah.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: I went to south By this year for the first
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: time since like twenty sixteen, and it was god awful.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: I would never get bro don't go. It's a waste.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: What was different about it just there's no energy. There's
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: it's it's terrible. Like you know, you used to go
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: to south By it was a thing, and you'd also
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, I got to check out this person
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: because they're on the cusp, you know what I mean.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: There was none of that this year. It was it
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: was the first year back post pandemic, but it was
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: absolutely disappointing. I was like, I was trying to tell
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: the homies that are out there with me for the
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: I was like this just so y'all know, this ain't
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: how usually is this ship used to be legendary? Cool man?
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Then shit, you gotta start DJ man. What you talking to?
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: South Side? South Side is gonna start DJing. You gotta
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: start DJA. Get all the bags the little gig I
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: did like when I really DJ, like they paid me great,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: So I'm with all that. You just play, you know,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: nwards in Paris and all the hits played out about
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: ten times. And let's say I was gonna say peak
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: in Paris. How many times in a road did they
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: end up? What was the record on the Washing the
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Throne tour? They did it back to back to back.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's like fifteen fourteen, fifth team in
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: a row. Yeah, and in the club you could play
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: that bitch five times, just back to back to back.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: I don't even remember the last time that happened. It
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: hasn't as far as I know. There's been big club
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: records like I remember, like Designers Panda was like a
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: fucking moment, but like nothing that you could just rewind
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: over and over it, especially in a concert. Oh yeah,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: the show ship was crazy. And then you I remember
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: you got pulled up on stage at one of those
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: shows that was just showing Paris. That was it. Didn't
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: you have that framed or something? For sure? Yeah? I
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: got that on a canvas. Somebody got that done for me.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Where do you keep your grammies these days? Right in
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: the studio, right where I'm making beats. You don't keep
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: any at home and at the mom's house. Nothing. Nah,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get some more and then I'll give them
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: to it. Can you order extras? No, they just give
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: you the one. Yeah. If it's fucked, it's fucked, right,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: damn all the how many Grammies now? Three? Now? Three?
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: It's a lot of Grammys, man, that's you know, there's
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: people out here with twenty something. Man, so I got
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: work to do. These people out here with zero. You
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: are right about that. You have more than Nas. That's crazy. Yeah,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: that's nuts. You have two more than nas. Right, Yeah,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: I can't share the one we got together. That's you
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: know what's crazy? As I feel like Nas is like
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: up until he got his Grammy, it was like Leonardo
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: DiCaprio at the Oscars, like Leo has this one of
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: the greatest actors of all time, and up until what
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: was the movie with the bear that fucked him up?
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Do you remember the name of that movie? Nima Revenant.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: He finally, he finally got one. It's like, dude, this
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: is an all time great Tupac ain't got no Grammy, Big,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: I don't think got no grammy. A lot of people
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: don't man, so which one means the most, the Nipsy
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: Grammy or the NAS Grammy. That's a great question. They both.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: They both meet a whole lot. Honestly, I feel like
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: the energy that Nipsey left with me and left in
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: my room just because he loved working in my studio
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: so much, that trickle down into KDE. I don't think
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: there will be a KD, you know, because just the
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: amount of energy in the way I feel when I'm
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: in a room in a way that other artists feel
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: they want to work. They got a real spirit of
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: one to get shit done when they pull up. I
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: don't think the KD shit it's I think it has
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: something to do with nick you know. I don't want
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: if you don't know, super spiritual or no Weir or whatever.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: But I definitely think he left an energy there for
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: me and NAS to really because him and NAS had
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: just linked up before it happened. Obviously, me and nip
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: was working a lot, so it was just something that
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: just tells me like that energy was left in there
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: for me and Nos to get them albums done. Nipsey
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: was obviously a one of one. Is there anyone in
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: the game right now? That gives you similar energy that
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: nippad sh man. I can't call it right now. I
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: can't really think of nobody right. It was very like
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: lightning in a bottle. It's crazy one for sure, one
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: on one for sure. Man, Oh, what's for you? Man?
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: You know, if we watch this in twenty years, what
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: do you want the legacy of hip boy to be?
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: And you might still be fucking active in twenty years.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Let's say we watched him thirty five years you're retired.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: What do you want the legacy of hip boy to be? Man? Oh,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna just say, like just being associated with great shit,
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying the way I look at
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: the people who came before me, like I just want
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: people to look at me the same way. Like, Man,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: this motherfucker was really on that music shit, really like
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: going crazy. I think you're very much like knocking. So
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: you know, when we always ask who's the greatest producers
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: of all time, there's always the names that nobody can
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: say shit about. I think it's DJ Premier, it's Doctor Dre,
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: It's timbaland Riza, you know, I mean, even alchemists in
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: that conversation. But there's there's like that. I feel like
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: you're like, right, you're I think you're I mean you're there,
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: You're getting there. You're getting into that conversation that not
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: a lot of people like a very elite club of
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: all time greats. I mean, you know, that's honestly something
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: that's not really up to me. It's just about me
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: putting in the work, putting in the time to be
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: considered on that level. Yeah, I think you're up there, man.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: I think in terms of just quality of beats, I'm
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: not sure anybody can fuck with you. I always told
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: you this, anytime you've ever just like played beats as
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: long as I've known you, dude, I've never had anybody
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: ever just play me beats that just like stand alone
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: by themselves in such an amazing way. So shout out
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: to you man, Uh course out new ship on the way. Yes,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: go buy this. The merch available March is available on
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: hit boy dot com. Surf Club ship coming there it is, man,
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: go buy some hip boy og. Yes, sir, and uh yeah,
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: shout out to your son who who brought up amazing
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: He's somewhere here. It is man, hit Boy