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Ladies & Gentlemen... WE GOT HIM. Welcome back to MHK, Coach Klein. (S4//E38) · Cocaine Willie

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  No news this past week. Nothing's happened.
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  Status quo, Status quo. What a great, what a great time
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  to be a cat. You know, Chris Kleiman is our
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  head coach. He's still kicking it.
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  We're about to go to a bowl game.
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  What? What else could possibly have
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  happened since we've been on? Chef and I recorded a pod a week
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  ago tonight and none of this stuff I there were maybe I guess
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  there were some whispers. I wasn't on the boards last
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  Tuesday so I didn't see anything until Wednesday morning.
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  And I start getting texts before I wake up from people being
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  like, holy shit, it's happening, climbing, stepping down and and
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  Klein is getting hired and I I was like, wait, there's no way
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  this is corroborating. Then I go over to KSO and D YS
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  confirming that it's happening. And then he has to walk it back
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  a little bit and say like it's rumored, like Klein is the lean
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  on who's going to be the next coach.
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  And then Klein still hasn't even like hasn't retired yet.
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  And then we get the Prescott and then the whole thing Jean says
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  he doesn't have his phone number like a ridiculous, ridiculous
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  past seven days. But I guess before we get into
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  it, Kleiman steps down as our head coach after a six and six
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  season. The team is opting out of a bowl
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  game, which I don't know if that would have happened or not,
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  whatever. We don't have to get into that
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  yet. But Kleiman steps down has a
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  pretty good track record, I would say, as the K State head
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  coach. Multiple seven and eight win
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  seasons, I believe he was. This is a stat that had been
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  paired by a number of people in the K State media, especially D
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  Scott Fritchin. But there are like 5 programs or
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  eight programs that had been able to win as consistently as
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  Coach Kleiman had done at K State.
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  And then you get this season where it starts in Ireland,
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  which feels like it was a year ago now, and the whole thing
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  just spirals from there. You lose to Army, you almost
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  lose to North Dakota and and you bounce back.
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  You get a couple of wins, but ultimately it's it's kind of a
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  lost season when you look at it at face value.
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  You don't go to a bowl game and, and all that stuff despite being
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  bowl eligible. The team kind of hops out of
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  that. So with I guess just a quick
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  retrospective on the season and climbing, stepping down thoughts
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  from the two of you on the climbing retirement situation
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  and and just the season at large that led to this.
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  I thought, I thought it was shocking, to be honest with you.
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  I did not expect climbing to be stepping down.
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  And my first reaction was, was it because of the 6th and 6th
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  season? Is it, you know, it, is it the
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  is the program in a downward trajectory?
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  And I couldn't think that it was that.
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  Obviously it was very personal for him when when he made that
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  his post retirement speech, you know, he, he at the podium, he
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  seemed very, you know, at peace with it.
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  He's he said as much and it, it it made it feel like the program
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  is not as bad as it is and it's more on him.
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  And I think that we're in a better spot because he took that
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  that immediate action And it is it.
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  I will remember to climb an era in a very positive light.
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  I mean, the Big 12 Championship obviously is the that capstone
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  of that. And those were some of the most
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  fun years of K State football that I can remember.
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  So and he brought some of the most iconic players that I can
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  remember in K State history. So the climbing era is a is a
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  shining star in my book. Yeah, I would agree with that.
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  I mean, you think about his first year in 2019, you know,
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  and a year a lot of uncertainty and and whatnot, and you think
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  of maybe one of the first signature wins he ever had was
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  what, Week 2 Mississippi State on the road?
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  I was like, I can be completely honest when I say this, you
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  know, I was very unsure about the Chris climb and hire in the
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  December of 2018 enough to where, you know, I really didn't
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  feel that it was going to be the best for the program.
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  And you know, week two he like completely shut that up.
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  You know, going on the road to an SEC school and winning that
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  game. He had a top ten win against
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  Oklahoma in 2019. You know, the, the beginning of
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  his era just kind of showed, I felt at the time, his ability to
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  #1 when the transport transfer portal really was kind of like
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  starting up. You know, that was when he
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  picked up some, some, You know, that running backroom in 2019
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  was a hodgepodge, if you will. You know, James Gilbert, Jordan
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  Brown from North Carolina, Harry Trotter, these guy, you know, he
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  didn't have running backs. You know, when he picked up this
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  team. And, you know, I, I really feel
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  like he got the best out of Skylar Thompson, you know,
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  towards the beginning of his tenure.
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  And obviously Skyler was there, you know, for three seasons.
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  And yeah, so I, I look at the Chris Kleiman era very
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  positively. Obviously the Big 12
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  championship win in 20/20/22, you know his, you know, he was
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  three of six in bowl games. So the the end of this, I think
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  a lot of 2025 makes sense to me, especially towards the end of
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  the year. I'll be very interested to see
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  how much of this gets out, like how much of the insurance and
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  outs of what happened the past week gets out.
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  When did the conversations actually start?
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  You know, I it, it's very interesting to me.
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  I don't know if we'll ever know, like I really don't.
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  But you know, was there a thought even before the KU game?
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  You know, you think about that, that embrace that Kleiman and
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  Gene had at the KU game. You know, like there's just some
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  of these clips where you look at, you know, some of the the
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  things that Kleiman did kind of, you know, after the game or this
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  and that. And you wonder like it has this
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  has this been something that's really been in his mind for
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  weeks? And you know, maybe some people
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  have kind of like picked up on a little bit of it and now it it
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  comes full circle last Wednesday.
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  I don't know, but I will say this.
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  He was in in probably the perfect guy to to come in after
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  Bill Snyder. He was a guy that took this
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  program after year 1. He got him to a bowl in 2019.
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  You know, a team that you know, was, it was kind of, you know,
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  not looking dim, but you know that there wasn't a ton of
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  success in 2018. And you know, he he brought this
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  team to a bowl game in 2019. He did a really good job on the
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  recruiting side. You know, obviously Du Swan is a
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  big one. You think about like Felix and
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  Uzama, obviously Will Howard, you, you have these guys that he
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  brought in. He did a really good job from
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  the recruiting perspective. And I truly believe that the
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  landscape of college football has changed for coaches like
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  Chris Kleiman. It is a different game now.
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  And it's not as much as the game anymore.
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  It's the out. It's what's happening off the
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  field that I think is, is putting some coaches in a little
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  bit of a lurch because you don't know how to take care of some of
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  these items. And having a coach, you know,
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  come in, we'll talk about Colin Klein here in a little bit.
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  You know, having a coach come in who really is seeing and kind of
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  understanding some of the outside things that are that are
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  the factor I think is going to be really key for KC football.
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  But I'm very appreciative of Chris Klein and what he has done
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  for us. What what you said something
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  very interesting there, like where you kind of the end of the
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  season put with him retiring put things into perspective, like
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  how long did that decision was? Was it bubbling up?
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  So it makes me wonder because with the pod that me and Bob did
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  done just this previous episode, we we were like, what O&O and
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  five and one score games? If any of those flip and like,
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  let's say all of them flip. Are we talking about Chris Climb
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  and retiring? If does the landscape of hit of
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  football bother him so much when he has an 11 and 1 football
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  team? I don't think it does.
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  I think the six and six kind of has an impact on that and maybe
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  it spurred some things in the the right direction to where,
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  you know, serendipitously, it just happened to happen where
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  Colin Klein is right there in our laps and he's ready to go.
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  So it it is very weird the coincidences, how they lined up.
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  But the climbing era is it's cemented.
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  It's cemented and it it helped this program in a way that I
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  don't know where we'd be that if we didn't have a Chris Kleiman.
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  I don't know who could have shouldered the load of a post
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  Bill Snyder other than him, because it damn sure wasn't Seth
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  Latrell. No.
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  And I was, I was looking, I had a time hop from what was it 7
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  years ago in 2018, December this week, we were having the same
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  conversation, not on this pod because the pod didn't exist,
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  but a tweet from Derek Young about the three finalists for
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  Bill Snyder's successor. And it was Chris Climb and Seth
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  Latrell, Neil Brown and Mike Norvell.
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  And we look, you look at those coaches, I mean, Mike Norville,
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  Neil. Brown would have been fine.
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  Actually, I think Neil Brown could have done somewhat of.
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  It are you climb? Are you climb, Truster brother,
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  you trusted the climb. Trust the climb.
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  Those other two, well, Seth Littrell's in a totally
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  different stratosphere. Like he's that.
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  That would have never worked. Maybe Norvell, I mean he had a
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  strong season, but he is a he is a portal hound.
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  I don't know how well that would have worked at K State, but who
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  knows? Who knows?
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  But I I think Kleiman obviously was the best fit and he he fit
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  like a glove. I couldn't agree more.
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  And I you look at the track record, he wins a Big 12
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  championship. You go to a Sugar Bowl, granted,
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  you lose it to Nick Saban with a team that decided not to opt out
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  anybody, including Bryce Young and oh gosh, the The Who is the
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  linebacker? Tamir Gibbs.
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  Will Anderson, Will Anderson, just a stacked team.
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  What do you think about it now? But you win the Pop Tarts Bowl,
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  Rate Bowl, Texas Bowl, obviously that Liberty Bowl.
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  We don't have to talk about that Liberty Bowl.
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  We could have had bookends in the Liberty Bowl in the climbing
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  air. If you think about it, that
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  would have been fitting. But yeah, multiple nine win, 10
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  win seasons, which is that's that's about all you can ask
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  for. I think he was the perfect guy
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  to succeed Bill Snyder and kind of bridge that gap.
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  I know he's an older school kind of coach to a degree.
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  He not as old school as a Bill Snyder, but not new school like
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  a like a Collin Klein or like a gosh, I'm forgetting the name of
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  the guy that Oklahoma State just hired from North Texas, Mike
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  Morris Morris, Eric Morris, Eric Morris.
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  So he's not that new school at at the same time, I feel like he
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  did a decent job of adapting you.
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  You already mentioned year one, Matt, where you bring in
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  graduate transfers because that's all you could really do
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  at that point. But then I mean, Timmy Horn was
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  one of those guys that he brought in in that first year
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  too, and he had a cup of coffee in the NFL.
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  There's, there's multiple guys that he's brought in through the
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  years through the portal and you know, none, none better than,
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  you know, some of those first running backs that he brought in
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  and over the years. It's, it's just interesting to
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  see how the portal has developed.
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  And, and I think this year, there's obviously a lot of
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  excitement about this team coming into the season.
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  You you definitely don't meet the expectations that you
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  thought you were going to have coming into it, But I think he
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  did his best to adapt as as as he could.
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  Again, just outsider looking in here.
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  I'm not insider with the program or anything.
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  Just just from what I could see. He did what he could and I think
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  he did a great job when you look back at his track record.
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  But the future is now. Colin Klein has been hired to be
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  the next the 36th head coach K State football.
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  What were your thoughts on the higher and then the roll out and
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  how everything occurred Because you you go into that press
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  conference where Kleiman retires, which I understand that
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  they wanted to give him space and give that air for him to
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  breathe and have that retirement ceremony for for lack of a
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  better way to put a get the whole coaching staff of all the
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  other teams and stuff that that were there to to watch it and
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  witness it because he had an impact on other guys like Travis
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  Gifford was even saying that he was instrumental in him coming
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  in to be a track and field coach.
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  But you come out of that Gene saying he doesn't even have his
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  phone number, but it seems like they're very clearly been some
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  at least back channel conversations going on between
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  Klein's camp agent whatever and Gene's camp or K State athletics
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  to some sort of a degree because these things don't happen
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  overnight. But at the same time, Klein was
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  maybe 30 minutes away from accepting the job at USF and and
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  becoming a bull. So what were your thoughts on
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  the roll out the higher itself kind of those 48 to 72 hours
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  between Wednesday morning and and then Friday afternoon when
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  when he has his introductory press conference?
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  I mean, I'll start with the the Wednesday press conference and
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  I, I was somewhat disappointed with the press conference and I
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  think a lot of it is on Jean Taylor.
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  I did not like the kind of stand off about NIL that started his
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  portion. I, I do probably get that, yes,
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  you know, he was probably being sarcastic with the phone number
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  and like this and that. But I, I really wanted that
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  press conference to be 100% appreciative of Chris Kleiman
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  and not talking necessarily about a coaching search, not
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  talking about NIL, but talk about Chris Kleiman.
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  Talk about his, you know, what he's brought to Kansas State,
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  what he brought to the football program.
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  You know, your relationship with him for the, for the many years
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  even prior to Kansas State that you, you all had been together.
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  You know, they're genuine friends.
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  And I, I was just a little turned off with the conversation
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  about the NIL piece and the landscape of how college
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  football changed and, you know, these schools signing this
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  agreement and all of this stuff, like talk about Chris Kleiman.
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  I mean, just just make that be your theme.
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  I, I, I, I was a little bit at the time, you know, I what I was
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  not impressed with how Jean kind of took the Colin Klein
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  conversation, or at least the the question that had been
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  brought up. A simple today is a day to
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  celebrate Chris Kleiman. We'll talk about a coaching
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  search tomorrow. I feel like would have sufficed
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  instead of, you know, just being a little bit of a clown with
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  like, oh, I don't have his phone number.
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  Like, come on, man. You know, like this.
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  I think a lot of us who who understand the college football
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  landscape at this point know that you've probably indirectly
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  had a conversation with Colin Klein, like or, you know, you've
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  had indirect conversations with potential coaching candidates.
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  So just make the conversation about Chris Kleinman.
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  I mean, at that. That was the thing that I think
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  really kind of turned me off about that press conference
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  because I thought Chris did a really good job of just kind of,
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  you know, laying some emotions on a sleeve and, you know, just
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  giving, you know, his kind of peace.
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  But I was just really turned off by Jean in that in that moment,
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  you know, but probably some people disagree.
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  But I wanted that moment to be about Chris Kleiman and not
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  about the landscape of college football and not about, you
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  know, a coaching search that's going to start tomorrow.
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  That that was what I took from it.
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  Well, I think to be fair to Jean, because I mean, obviously
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  there's a lot of hate in your voice right now towards Jean
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  Taylor, but I will say that he was asked about that.
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  So, you know, it's not like, it's not like he just came out
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  of nowhere. I mean, at the very beginning of
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  the press conference, he was in tears talking about Chris
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  climbing the entire time. It's not like he just when he
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  started taking questions, that's what the reporters wanted to
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  talk about. So that's when he addressed
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  that. I don't think he was.
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  And I will say I agree with your point about him lamenting on
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  about like the the state of college football.
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  But I think that was in context with him losing his really good
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  buddy and his head coach. And that's for, in his view, the
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  reason why he lost. Chris Kleinman to retirement
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  because the state of college football, mind you.
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  I mean, you could not make excuses about it and just, you
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  know, work together and try to better your situation because
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  I'm assuming that's what you're going to do with Collin Klein.
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  So I could get with you on that. But I don't think him being a
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  little goofball, Bud Light drinking goofball about losing
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  his phone number or whatever is really on Gene.
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  I mean, he they asked about himself.
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  I thought the I thought the press conference with Jean
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  Taylor about Chris Klein was excellent.
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  To be honest with you. I thought, I thought it was a
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  lot of emotion. I and that's what you're going
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  to get when you hire like people that are really close to you and
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  you don't hire just some mercenary off the street that
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  you know, is here for four years and goes off somewhere.
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  It's these are really tight family things.
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  And I thought we're going to talk about Colin Klein.
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  I think this is more of like the end.
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  You know, the family dynamic is never going to go away with
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  Kansas State. I think be because you're
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  hiring, the tree is just growing like it's it's just out there
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  and it's it's it's not going anywhere.
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  So the family atmosphere is still going to be there.
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  I think Jane made a good hire both ways.
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  I think I've got some views on the Colin Klein hire that you
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  know, might not be as popular. Maybe.
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  Maybe in the same vein as Matt and his hate for Gene Taylor.
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  I do not hate you. I do not hate Gene Taylor.
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  I this we need to stop with that.
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  I mean, I look, I, I, I feel like it's a valid criticism of
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  the, of the situation, like in, in the grand scheme of things,
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  like, yeah, he didn't bring up Colin Klein.
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  Like, but you know that a journalist is going to ask the
• 22:05
  question, right? And I just felt the answer was a
• 22:11
  laughable answer. Like just be honest.
• 22:15
  OK. But OK, if he's honest there and
• 22:17
  let's say he's honest there and it falls through, now he's.
• 22:22
  Been I'm telling him, I'm saying don't provide an answer, just
• 22:25
  say I want it. Like today.
• 22:27
  Is it an opportunity where we can celebrate Chris Kleiman?
• 22:31
  We, we can talk about a coaching search tomorrow?
• 22:34
  Like that's a simple answer that I feel like provides A genuine
• 22:39
  answer #1 of this is a press conference revolving around
• 22:43
  Chris Kleiman and him retiring an important member and, you
• 22:48
  know, piece of K State football history.
• 22:51
  We can talk about a coaching search tomorrow.
• 22:54
  Not oh, I don't have his phone number.
• 22:56
  Like, come on, man. Like I, I don't, I like, I just,
• 23:00
  I thought it was a stupid answer And and you know, yeah, we're
• 23:04
  probably just like, I'm probably just bagging on one part of it,
• 23:07
  but it's not like I, I just felt I just didn't like necessarily
• 23:13
  his portion of it. PR1O1 it's PR one O 1 that you
• 23:17
  want him to. Yes.
• 23:18
  And I did, I did go to, I did go to K state for public relations.
• 23:22
  So I can I? Can I did not.
• 23:23
  I did not. I took I can.
• 23:24
  Concur with Matt's response. I, I took one journalism class.
• 23:28
  Like I, I don't hate Jean Taylor.
• 23:31
  Like, yeah, I may have some opinions about Jean Taylor, but
• 23:34
  I don't want Chef to be proclaiming that I want Jean
• 23:37
  Taylor fired. I never said that.
• 23:41
  I never said that. Let's run your own brain.
• 23:44
  All. Right, reeling it back in here.
• 23:48
  My original question was about what, what did you think about
• 23:52
  those 72 hours between the press conference?
• 23:56
  The news starting to circulate that, OK, Colin Klein is is
• 24:00
  closer to accepting. We've got like maybe not the
• 24:03
  flight tracker, but we know what his flight's going to land now
• 24:06
  he's going to get he gets announced officially Thursday
• 24:09
  evening and resounding resounding positive response
• 24:15
  from K State nation on on how how he was announced, who was
• 24:19
  who was the choice. I think it was the obvious
• 24:22
  choice. I don't think there's anybody
• 24:23
  else that you would want to go out and go after to succeed
• 24:28
  Chris Kleinman. The time was now and I think
• 24:31
  Jean Taylor, I think Richard Linton, I think the entire
• 24:34
  athletic department, I think Chris Klein and they all knew
• 24:36
  and understood Colin Klein's not going to be on the market for
• 24:40
  much longer. And if he is, we need to strike
• 24:43
  while the iron's hot. We need to strike while we have
• 24:45
  this window of opportunity to go get him.
• 24:48
  Otherwise, we're going to have to pay a buyout next year,
• 24:50
  whether that's for South Florida, it ended up not being
• 24:53
  Oklahoma State, but we have it on pretty good authority that he
• 24:56
  was a finalist for that position as well.
• 24:59
  He probably, I mean, who knows what he would have done next
• 25:01
  year at USF, but you see these G5 coaches get swooped up after
• 25:05
  a year now like John Sumrall and some of these other guys.
• 25:08
  So thoughts on, you know, the announcement, the choice itself
• 25:14
  of Collin Klein, the press conference for Collin Klein on
• 25:17
  that Friday and how he introduced himself as the now
• 25:22
  head coach of K State after we all knew who he was as
• 25:26
  quarterback of K State and offensive coordinator?
• 25:29
  I think that that 72 hours span, I think it was the fervor for
• 25:36
  who we wanted as a, as a collective of fans and you know,
• 25:41
  just boosters, all of that, that everybody was a resounding yes
• 25:46
  to Colin Klein. And I think the iron needed to
• 25:49
  be struck while it was hot in terms of getting them into in
• 25:54
  the building. And it just so happened, like I
• 25:56
  said earlier, just happened to fall in place with him almost
• 26:00
  taking the Oklahoma State job, almost taking the USF job.
• 26:04
  It all worked out perfectly to get him in right when we needed
• 26:08
  them to. And then I don't think he could
• 26:11
  have really. And everybody has said this that
• 26:13
  he's, you know, he's not the most flamboyant guy.
• 26:17
  He's very measured. He's very all this.
• 26:19
  He's not the greatest on the mic in terms of, you know, Roo Rah,
• 26:23
  but I think there was there wasn't really anything that he
• 26:27
  could have said that would have, you know, turned anybody off.
• 26:30
  And from what we heard and what we saw, the build up one, the
• 26:37
  two like the, you know, just the little snippets that we got
• 26:40
  where he's still in College Station.
• 26:42
  He's got K state gear on. He's, you know, throwing up the
• 26:45
  CK and all that stuff. No, the Wildcat it it was all
• 26:51
  perfect and it there's nothing that he could have said wrong
• 26:55
  and he actually knocked it out the park.
• 26:57
  I think the the the introductory press conference was perfect.
• 27:03
  I think, other than, you know, the audio issues from everybody
• 27:07
  else except for ESPN plus, but ESPN plus didn't want to show
• 27:10
  like half of it most of the time because it was cutting out.
• 27:13
  So I think everything was perfect these lat the the the 72
• 27:18
  hour window that you're talking about.
• 27:21
  It's and really now it's all on what can he do on the field?
• 27:28
  And we could talk about that. I mean, obviously this is a long
• 27:32
  time before we even get to to that point, but there's, you
• 27:37
  know, there's two trains of thought when you think of that.
• 27:40
  I mean, obviously he's one of our own.
• 27:42
  He's going to get some grace, but he's got to prove it.
• 27:45
  So it's it's a lot. It's a lot.
• 27:47
  And but I'm I'm happy that with the decision that was made and I
• 27:51
  think it was the necessary one. Well, I think for K State fans,
• 27:56
  like the biggest like wild card in this is like the timing
• 27:59
  because we've seen in like recent history where timing
• 28:04
  doesn't necessarily work out for coaches that you potentially
• 28:07
  would want. I think a lot of people
• 28:09
  obviously trend towards the Brad Underwood situation that
• 28:13
  occurred, you know, and what 2015 you know, of trying to pull
• 28:19
  him after Bruce Weber was kind of struggling with the team.
• 28:22
  But the you know, the time, the time frame between when they
• 28:28
  actually sent the announcement, I think it was just a lot of
• 28:31
  just like you're waiting on your hands, right.
• 28:33
  Like you, we have some really good insiders in the program,
• 28:38
  you know, across the the different entities.
• 28:42
  I know we speak about KSOA good amount, but you know, a lot of
• 28:46
  people subscribe to a board like that and when you hear it's
• 28:52
  happening but you're not hearing anything, it's a little bit of
• 28:55
  that nervousness, right? Yeah, yeah.
• 29:01
  And you know, it's kind of like trusting you got to trust the
• 29:04
  sources that people are getting, you know, because obviously as a
• 29:08
  casual fan, none of us have sources, right?
• 29:11
  Like we, we rely on other people to give us that information.
• 29:15
  So, you know, when that, when that came out, you know, that
• 29:18
  was, that was obviously a huge deal.
• 29:20
  But you know, his press conference, I was not
• 29:22
  anticipating too much from it and I got a lot out of it.
• 29:25
  Like I got a lot of a lot of really positive vibes out of it.
• 29:30
  I I don't know if we're going to talk about like what we think
• 29:33
  next year is going to be, but you know, this is going to be a
• 29:38
  program that's rebuilding in a lot of ways.
• 29:40
  You're going to be keeping, you're going to probably be
• 29:43
  keeping a decent number of who you would determine to be maybe
• 29:46
  your star players. But there's a lot of people that
• 29:50
  you watch play K State football this year that are not playing K
• 29:54
  State football next year. And there's going to be a reason
• 29:58
  for that from a talent perspective and what the new
• 30:01
  coaching regime is going to think about the talent that's on
• 30:03
  this team right now. But there's going to be a lot of
• 30:06
  differences that you're going to see from this program that isn't
• 30:09
  necessarily going to mean this team is going to go nine and
• 30:15
  three under Colin Klein's first season.
• 30:18
  Like I I do think as a fan base, we may set up unfortunate
• 30:25
  expectations that Colin Klein is a savior in this program is
• 30:30
  going to have an incredible year next year.
• 30:34
  You know, you look at the schedule and yeah, like there's
• 30:37
  the potential, but I would have said that about this year's
• 30:39
  schedule for the most part too. So I, I, as we, I think for
• 30:46
  everybody who may be listening to this, the key thing is we're
• 30:49
  just going to have to wait a good amount of time to really
• 30:52
  see what we think this team is going to be #1 the coaching
• 30:55
  staff and who he brings in #2 is going to be who's transferring
• 30:58
  out, who are guys that we think maybe, you know, we, we think if
• 31:03
  Chris Kleinman was here, he might have stayed while he might
• 31:05
  be leaving now, you know, there might be a pretty significant
• 31:07
  number of people that are, that are leaving, but who's Colin
• 31:11
  Klein going to bring in? Like what, what are we going to
• 31:13
  see from the transfer portal? I think this team is going to
• 31:16
  look pretty different for next year.
• 31:18
  And that could be a good thing. But there's going to be some
• 31:20
  growing pains too. So I my expectations whether I,
• 31:25
  you know, do I want to set him extremely high for Colin Klein?
• 31:28
  And I think his long term success at the program is
• 31:32
  there's a high potential for that.
• 31:34
  But short term, there's going to be some growing pains that
• 31:36
  people are going to have to understand.
• 31:38
  Like it's going to be, it's going to be a tough Rd. for a
• 31:40
  little bit. I'm currently in the midst of
• 31:43
  teaching my 2 year old what patients means.
• 31:45
  So I I will be like what's patients means?
• 31:48
  And he says I wait and we're like, yes, that's that's what
• 31:52
  patients means. We need to reteach K State fans
• 31:55
  about patients because, yeah, we've we are used to these, you
• 32:00
  know, eight win, nine win, 10 win seasons under, under
• 32:02
  Kleiman. You know, four of the last five
• 32:05
  seasons we've had 99 wins or more or 4.
• 32:10
  For the last five season, we've had eight wins or more.
• 32:12
  So we're going to have to be patient with this if we want
• 32:15
  this higher to work out. We got to give him a long leash.
• 32:19
  We we got to take time. He has a the perfect vision, I
• 32:24
  think for this program that he mentioned in his press
• 32:26
  conference of marrying being cutting edge and leading edge
• 32:30
  with the NIL and the transfer portal and marrying that with
• 32:36
  hard nosed tough K State football like the what we all
• 32:40
  grew up watching, like the Josh Buell's of the world, that he
• 32:44
  wants to bring that edge back to K State.
• 32:47
  And, and based on what we saw this year, not something we were
• 32:51
  seeing in a lot of those games with K State football this
• 32:54
  season. And it's a new, it's a new era,
• 32:57
  It's a new world. He's going to have to change the
• 33:00
  way that we're doing things in a lot of regard.
• 33:02
  But he's going to be able to get the donor support and rally the
• 33:05
  troops in the fan base with the big money donors to bring in
• 33:09
  what he needs in order to attract the talent, in order to
• 33:12
  attract the coaching resources and everything that he needs
• 33:15
  necessary in order to, to to get to that vision.
• 33:18
  But it's going to take time. It's not going to happen
• 33:20
  overnight. So I would just urge K State
• 33:22
  bands who are listening to this to, to have some degree of
• 33:26
  patience. Like it doesn't mean we need to
• 33:28
  be OK with A5 and seven season next year, but we may be 7:00
• 33:32
  and 5:00 next year. That's that's OK.
• 33:35
  That's OK. OK, and I'll say this and I, I
• 33:37
  don't want to like throw a wet blanket on this whole
• 33:40
  conversation about Colin Klein because I think he's great.
• 33:43
  And there's the potential, like Matt said, the potential is
• 33:46
  there. And like Bob said, we need the,
• 33:49
  the, the leash to give him the room to, to grow into whatever
• 33:53
  he will become. But I in my brain, I see this
• 33:59
  there. There's one or two roads.
• 34:00
  I think he's either great, I don't think there's any middle
• 34:03
  row, I think he's great, or he's and I think there's a higher
• 34:08
  than 40% chance that he's Scott Frost.
• 34:13
  I think that's fair. And I I, you know, not a lot of
• 34:16
  people want to hear that, but there's a there is a better
• 34:20
  than, you know, not chance that he is our Scott Frost and you
• 34:26
  know, we get nothing done because he is our golden goose.
• 34:30
  He's the guy that we all clamored for and we want to give
• 34:33
  him that leash, but it could set us back farther than we
• 34:35
  expected. But that that is the risk that
• 34:38
  you have to take. Because I think the hot the
• 34:40
  upside is he like he said in his like you said, Bob, in his
• 34:45
  vision of what we are to this program, he's going to take us
• 34:47
  to places that we haven't been. And I think for a long time, no
• 34:52
  shots at Bill Snyder, no shots at obviously, I can't say that's
• 34:55
  about Bill Snyder. He did take us to places we
• 34:57
  never thought we'd go. Colin client, I mean, Chris
• 35:01
  Kleiman, no shots at him, but he kind of leveled us and raised
• 35:06
  the floor, but he didn't raise the ceiling all that all that
• 35:11
  much. And there's nothing wrong with
• 35:15
  that. But if like, like a lot of fans
• 35:18
  and a lot of us even sitting on this podcast, we want more.
• 35:21
  We, we expect a lot from our program and we want to see new
• 35:26
  things. And you have to take risks to do
• 35:27
  that. And maybe this guy is it, or
• 35:30
  maybe he's Scott Frost, you never know.
• 35:33
  So I, I think there's a better than 30% chance that he is Scott
• 35:38
  Frost. I mean, I think there's there's
• 35:40
  also the potential if we're like trying to compare coaches, he
• 35:44
  could be a Kenny Dillingham, right?
• 35:46
  You won, you're 1. Kenny Dillingham went 2-3 and
• 35:51
  nine. He went 3 and 9.
• 35:53
  Like you. He's coming in and having to
• 35:58
  rebuild into a program that he wants to be a coach of and
• 36:03
  that's building a culture and that is, you know, putting
• 36:07
  together a staff that believes in your vision and finding
• 36:11
  players that believe in that vision as well.
• 36:14
  And so I, I don't expect we're going to go 3:00 and 9:00 next
• 36:18
  year. I don't, you know, I could see
• 36:20
  us going 5:00 and 7:00. I could do that.
• 36:22
  I, I, I could see that. But I, I think Scott Frost is an
• 36:27
  interesting comparison. It is one where you have a guy
• 36:30
  who you know, starts off slow but then has some success, but
• 36:34
  then kind of you know, potentially he sees, you know,
• 36:39
  he sees himself in Nebraska and then just completely, you know,
• 36:42
  kind of tanks in Nebraska. This is I think how schools like
• 36:50
  us are going to hire moving forward.
• 36:52
  I think it's going to be younger coaches first time because I
• 36:59
  think programs feel taking out the call and climb plate for K
• 37:03
  State like history completely. You have a guy who won a
• 37:08
  conference championship as a coordinator with a Big 12
• 37:11
  school, has in a second year College Football Playoff.
• 37:15
  Like who knows what Texas A&M is going to do this year.
• 37:18
  He has a resume that would get him hired in in some places.
• 37:22
  Obviously South Florida was one of them, but you know, at the
• 37:28
  key state factor is going to give him a longer leash, but
• 37:33
  it's also going to give him some undue pressure.
• 37:36
  Unfortunately for him. Like I, I, I think, I, I, I
• 37:41
  that's, that's my, it's. Similar to Avery at quarterback,
• 37:43
  Avery's got more pressure at, at quarterback because he's the
• 37:46
  local kid, He's the blue chipper crude.
• 37:49
  And you know, we, we put more pressure on him than we did on a
• 37:52
  guy like Will Howard to. That's a totally fairpoint,
• 37:55
  Matt. And so I, I just think that for
• 37:57
  for Colin, there's going to be some undue pressure as an alum,
• 38:01
  you know, one of the most well known K state players to ever
• 38:05
  come out of this program that you're not leading it.
• 38:09
  So for as much as he's going to get a longer leash, I think he's
• 38:13
  also he's going to have this undue pressure that's going to
• 38:16
  come from the fan base early on, especially next year.
• 38:19
  You know, you keep Avery, you have Lincoln cure, who knows?
• 38:22
  Like you're going to have like these top what you would
• 38:25
  perceive in the program to be top level individual talents,
• 38:29
  But there's going to be a lot of guys we have no idea what
• 38:32
  they're going to be able to bring to the table next year
• 38:34
  because I think there's going to be a good amount of turnover.
• 38:36
  And so I think just we all have to fairly set expectations for
• 38:40
  this team knowing that maybe next year will be a struggle.
• 38:45
  But Colin Klein, if he's instilling what he believes are
• 38:48
  the values of his program, could be like a Kenny Dillingham for
• 38:51
  Year 2, had this 10 and two year win, the Big 12, you know, this
• 38:57
  and that, that we would all be like, absolutely, we wish that
• 39:01
  was us, you know, to be in that situation.
• 39:05
  I, I will say when I, when I did, you know, describe him as
• 39:09
  Scott Frost and it wasn't necessarily him as a coach, you
• 39:14
  know, I'm saying like I think the situations are similar.
• 39:19
  Scott Frost couldn't you know, he's had some success some
• 39:22
  places. He had a little bit of success
• 39:24
  at Nebraska, but I think of a lot of it was his own doing,
• 39:27
  personal reasons, things like that.
• 39:29
  I don't think any, anything like that would Colin Klein, he's got
• 39:33
  no skeletons as far as I can tell.
• 39:36
  So it's mostly like you were describing the pressure from the
• 39:40
  fan base, the pressure with the history of what he's already
• 39:43
  done at K State and he he's wanted so much and he's, you
• 39:50
  know, got such a high approval rating, just jumping in that
• 39:54
  maybe that pressure is there. But I think we would have gotten
• 39:57
  that pressure from anybody that we hired.
• 40:00
  If, if I'm being honest with myself, whether it was Colin
• 40:02
  Klein or anybody following up, just like following up Bill
• 40:07
  Snyder, following up Chris Kleinman, there is a a level
• 40:11
  that he set. That we we come to expect.
• 40:14
  So the pressure was going to be there regardless.
• 40:16
  Now whether it's increased, I don't know, but I think he does
• 40:19
  have a longer leash and you guys are, you guys are saying it
• 40:22
  perfect. Give him a little grace, let him
• 40:25
  do his magic because I think there is going to be more of an
• 40:29
  an overhaul than a lot of people expect.
• 40:33
  Yeah. And and that you also bring up a
• 40:35
  good point. I I do think a lot of programs
• 40:38
  like K State are going to be doing hiring younger guys,
• 40:41
  hiring younger coaching Staffs in general across the board.
• 40:45
  Because you look at a guy who won 6 Super Bowls get hired in
• 40:50
  Chapel Hill, NC and you see how big of a disaster that is.
• 40:54
  It's not about how good of a coach you are in some regard
• 40:57
  anymore. It's about what you're able to
• 40:59
  do with the infrastructure around you in a lot of cases.
• 41:02
  And it's not like Bill Belichick is going to be able to navigate
• 41:06
  this NIL, whatever. He's 70, what, 73 years old.
• 41:09
  So I, I think a lot of programs are going to go more in this
• 41:12
  route of younger guys who have more of a connection with the,
• 41:17
  with the, the age group that you're going out and recruiting
• 41:20
  to be part of your program. So that's, that's where we're at
• 41:24
  here. I don't, I, I see your, I see
• 41:27
  your private chat there, chef. I don't know if if my, my screen
• 41:30
  is blurring or not. Mine, it's not for me, it's not
• 41:33
  for me. But OK, all right, ideal staff
• 41:39
  make up. So when you look at what
• 41:41
  client's going to be putting together here, we've talked a
• 41:43
  little bit about the infrastructure around him being
• 41:47
  the nucleus of this whole thing. What are some names that you're
• 41:50
  watching for, some names that you would like to see?
• 41:52
  I've got some takes on this as well.
• 41:54
  And that I don't think it has to just be getting the band back
• 41:57
  together for for all these K State guys that have been in the
• 42:00
  program or been a part of the coaching staff like Stan Weber.
• 42:03
  I can get on board with that. But I don't think we need to be
• 42:07
  bringing back Clanderman necessarily.
• 42:10
  I want to see who else is out there in the talent pool.
• 42:13
  It's nothing against Clanderman. He may be the best name
• 42:15
  available. But I would like to have a
• 42:18
  broader search because I do feel like they stay has swung and
• 42:22
  missed on opportunities where Kleiman would just go out and
• 42:25
  hire his buddies, right? He would go out and hire Matt
• 42:27
  Wells to be the offensive coordinator instead of going
• 42:30
  after, say, the guy that was at Liberty two years ago who had
• 42:34
  that Cayden Salter offense cooking.
• 42:37
  I don't know what ended up happening to that guy, but he
• 42:39
  was one of the two names that was that was kind of talked
• 42:41
  about at the time. So I do think there have been
• 42:43
  opportunities for us to maybe hire some of those hotter names
• 42:46
  or or, you know, not just a buddy, right like that.
• 42:50
  That's been a huge indictment on climbing over the course of the
• 42:53
  last seven years that he was at K State.
• 42:55
  So curious your thoughts on ideal staff, make up some names
• 42:58
  that you're thinking about, your thoughts on the approach, who
• 43:01
  you would go after, that kind of thing.
• 43:04
  I'll say, OK, let's let's do that.
• 43:06
  Then let's break this down. I think you have to start with
• 43:09
  who do you want to bring back? Who do you want to retain?
• 43:13
  I think Lepak has a role, but I don't necessarily think it's
• 43:18
  with offensive line. I don't know if if he is the
• 43:22
  best offensive line coach. I mean, I didn't mind him with
• 43:24
  tight ends, but obviously he has a vision for himself where he
• 43:30
  wants to grow in the profession. And I don't think if you try to
• 43:35
  bring back Lepak, I don't think it's with offensive line.
• 43:37
  So is that a step back and is that something that he would be
• 43:42
  OK with doing? I don't know.
• 43:45
  I think a guy like Coach Wyatt, I mean, he's older, but he does
• 43:56
  have a true proven track record of getting the most out of his
• 44:01
  guys and finding gems and doing things like that.
• 44:04
  That I think is valuable. But then when you when you think
• 44:08
  about what Colin Klein is going to bring to as a head coach,
• 44:13
  Chris Klein had a set of recruiting base in the Iowa
• 44:20
  area, you know, Minnesota and North Dakota up Nebraska and
• 44:25
  things like that where he had recruiting stomping grounds that
• 44:29
  where he could, you know, bring in his guys because that they
• 44:32
  recruit from the same areas. They know the same areas very
• 44:35
  well. I don't know what Colin Klein
• 44:38
  recruiting background is where where does he recruit the best
• 44:41
  from? Is he a Texas guy now?
• 44:43
  Is he still Colorado touched in? Is he is he going to recruit
• 44:47
  locally hard enough? I don't know.
• 44:49
  So that that's where I would think of bring bringing in his
• 44:52
  staff who does who is somebody that he can lean on for
• 44:56
  recruiting that can that is still a sharp mine on the field.
• 45:01
  I think the new era football is also somebody that can tap into
• 45:06
  the portal guys. I know a lot of it is money and
• 45:09
  all that stuff and you you know, the reports are out there of him
• 45:13
  already solidifying his GM. But I think you still have to
• 45:18
  have somebody on the Scott of the the staff with a Taylor
• 45:22
  brat, because I think Taylor brat is obviously not going
• 45:24
  anywhere probably ever. If, if it was up to him and up
• 45:29
  to K state, really, I think he is K state through and through
• 45:33
  somebody that can get on there and help Colin Klein, a first,
• 45:36
  first time head coach recruit and bring in the talent.
• 45:39
  So I don't know necessarily position groups.
• 45:42
  I mean, obviously the names are floating out there and like you
• 45:45
  said, Bob, you don't the names that are floating out there.
• 45:48
  You don't want to put the band back together.
• 45:49
  But a lot of those guys were in the band.
• 45:52
  So I don't know. It's, it's, it's I would like to
• 45:55
  hear what Matt has to say because I, I'd, I'd piggyback
• 45:57
  probably on what Matt has to say for sure.
• 46:00
  I mean, I think the overall like theme should be you bring in the
• 46:04
  best guys you think are going to make a difference with the
• 46:07
  program. You know, if there are guys that
• 46:11
  are on staff right now that you feel like you're going to do
• 46:13
  that, great. You know, you brought up Brian
• 46:17
  Lepak. You know, for as much as I feel
• 46:21
  like the offensive line had its struggles this year, you know,
• 46:25
  you do wonder how much George Fitzpatrick not playing kind of
• 46:30
  played a part of of some of that and not having him this year.
• 46:35
  And, you know, you also put, you know, fact of the matter is it
• 46:38
  was his first year as the offensive line coach.
• 46:40
  You know, what is your two bring to that?
• 46:44
  I think he would be an important asset.
• 46:46
  You think about how well he worked with Klein in the 2022
• 46:49
  season as well as 2023 of, you know, kind of working up in the
• 46:55
  booth and, and kind of having that kind of lay the land of,
• 46:59
  you know, what's going on on the field.
• 47:01
  I think he would be a loss unless you feel like you can
• 47:05
  bring somebody in that's better than him.
• 47:08
  I think out of everybody on the coaching staff, you would be the
• 47:10
  one guy that I I think would be a really good one to retain.
• 47:15
  You know, Brian Anderson's another one.
• 47:17
  You know, I, in the grand scheme of things, you think about the,
• 47:20
  the running back situation at K State, I feel like Brian
• 47:24
  Anderson's done a pretty good job, you know, with, with that.
• 47:28
  I believe he's been with the program since climbing started
• 47:30
  in 2019. You think about that 2019 season
• 47:33
  and the, you know, the, the different guys that he, you
• 47:38
  know, had to bring in and kind of get together the hodgepodge,
• 47:42
  obviously Du Swan and his development, DJ Giddens and how
• 47:46
  he developed. You know, I feel Joe Jackson
• 47:49
  towards the end of the season, once, you know, the scheme kind
• 47:52
  of was more pointed towards him, had a lot more success.
• 47:56
  You know, he would be an interesting guy that I think
• 47:58
  Colin Klein could see the benefit of having, you know,
• 48:01
  just the experience in the program.
• 48:05
  But I will say this with some of the names that we're hearing,
• 48:10
  we've heard the GM name that sounds like that's going to
• 48:13
  happen. We hear Stanton Weber from
• 48:16
  Toledo, who is considered, you know, one of the top special
• 48:20
  teams coaches in the country. He's done a really good job at
• 48:23
  Toledo. We've heard some of these other
• 48:25
  names from Texas A and MI Am of the opinion that if you are
• 48:30
  bringing in guys from a program that has been in the top ten
• 48:33
  this year and is going to the College Football Playoff and has
• 48:35
  worked with your head coach, I think there's a good opportunity
• 48:39
  to keep that rolling. Especially with some of these
• 48:42
  guys who are going to be a little bit younger, a little bit
• 48:45
  less experienced, yes, but sometimes that brings more
• 48:48
  hunger. You know, that brings just more
• 48:50
  of an opportunity to prove themselves.
• 48:51
  And you know, we've heard some names of defensive coordinator
• 48:56
  like Jordan Peterson, the offensive coordinator position I
• 48:59
  feel like we haven't heard too much about.
• 49:00
  That'll be a very interesting one number one to see if Colin
• 49:02
  will be actually calling plays, but who might be targeted there?
• 49:08
  We've heard Josh Buford, who I believe in the past has had a
• 49:11
  pretty good relationship with Avery Johnson.
• 49:13
  I think that would be a pretty good, you know, one to keep kind
• 49:17
  of, you know, on the on the on the staff.
• 49:20
  You know, he's he's someone that's worked with your starting
• 49:22
  quarterback. So I the the thing that like
• 49:27
  boggles my mind and maybe it shouldn't is like, oh, let's
• 49:29
  bring in Tyler Lockett. Oh, what's Jordy Nelson up to?
• 49:33
  Like, let's, let's bring in these K State people who have no
• 49:37
  experience coaching whatsoever. Like, give me a break.
• 49:41
  Come on. This isn't the K State family
• 49:44
  Facebook. Yeah, like, like it.
• 49:46
  It just, it boggles my mind that people think, Oh yeah, let's
• 49:50
  bring in past K State people to come coach.
• 49:52
  Yeah, maybe they'll be good coaches.
• 49:53
  Who knows? It's the it's the same people
• 49:55
  who think that we should bring in Steve Henson at head coach
• 49:58
  after he totally, like totally failed as a head coach at what,
• 50:02
  UTSA? OK, but but also, there's the
• 50:05
  other side of the coin to a guy like Zach Hanson.
• 50:08
  Who? That's different?
• 50:09
  Yes. No, no.
• 50:10
  But I mean, he's a former K Stater that played.
• 50:13
  He was good. Buddy.
• 50:15
  But you got to find the fine line.
• 50:16
  You got to find I think. Zach Hansen's AUSC like he has
• 50:20
  coaching experience. Oh, like let's Darren's rolls
• 50:23
  another that's another name like where yes, they've had they have
• 50:28
  been instrumental parts in K State's football program in the
• 50:31
  past, But where's the coaching experience And why do you want
• 50:34
  to make K State the first stop for these people?
• 50:37
  Like if they want to coach, there are plenty of other
• 50:41
  opportunities to grow your coaching ability then coming in
• 50:45
  with a powerful school and yeah, here we go.
• 50:50
  Look at what's happening. Look at what's happening in
• 50:53
  Boulder, Co. That's all I have to say about
• 50:55
  that. You've got guys like Warren Sapp
• 50:57
  coming in being a first time, a first time position coach just
• 51:01
  because he's buddies with Coach Prime and look what his
• 51:04
  offensive or defensive line looks like.
• 51:07
  It's not like it's it's out. There in the world Dion brought
• 51:10
  in Brennan Marion, which I think would have been a very
• 51:12
  intriguing offensive coordinator pick all things considered like
• 51:17
  that was actually a good move. But his his past assistant coach
• 51:21
  picks have not been great. So it'll be interesting to see
• 51:25
  what what it goes. But like again, Colin Klein is
• 51:31
  going to build his own vision and identity for K state
• 51:35
  football. It is not necessarily going to
• 51:38
  be 2012 K State football and it shouldn't because the game is
• 51:42
  completely different in 2026 than 2012 and Colin Klein was
• 51:47
  playing. But the fact of the matter is in
• 51:51
  these days, you need to get the best people that you think are
• 51:55
  going to help you build a program.
• 51:57
  And it isn't necessarily people that have put on AK State
• 52:00
  uniform in the past. It's going to be people who have
• 52:03
  experience coaching, who have experience understanding the
• 52:07
  ramifications of what college football is in 2025.
• 52:10
  And that is who I want Colin Klein to be hiring.
• 52:13
  I want Colin Klein hiring who he feels to be the best people for
• 52:17
  the job. Not if they have AK State
• 52:20
  connection in the past. So if we don't hire anybody from
• 52:23
  the 2025 K State coaching staff, and Colin Klein believes that's
• 52:28
  is best for the program, then as a fan, that is what I believe is
• 52:32
  the best for the program. Are you just telling me to roll
• 52:35
  over and accept it? Is that what you're telling me
• 52:37
  just. Roll over.
• 52:39
  I, I, I, we are dumb people like, and that's the nicest
• 52:43
  thing I'm saying like what? Like we, we are providing our
• 52:48
  opinions about what we see. We are not involved in the
• 52:51
  insurance and outs of what's going on.
• 52:53
  And like I just people number one, people have to wait and
• 52:59
  give this time because Colin is also doing 2 jobs at the same
• 53:03
  time right? Like Texas A&M plays not next
• 53:06
  weekend 2 weekends from now they play 2 weekends from.
• 53:10
  Now they play the 19th, 19th. Or the 20th in the College
• 53:12
  Football Playoff. So Colin has to deal with that
• 53:16
  and then he's going to have to deal with hiring coaching staff
• 53:18
  and doing all this other stuff. But yes, we're probably putting,
• 53:22
  I'm putting blind trust in Colin Klein.
• 53:24
  But as we should be at the grand scheme of things, we should be
• 53:27
  like if he feels that Joe Clanderman or any of the Wells
• 53:33
  or Van Malone or this and that is not going to be a good fit
• 53:37
  for the K State program starting at 2026, I have to believe that.
• 53:44
  Any of the wells. Yeah.
• 53:46
  Does Colin Klein call place? I'm going to say.
• 53:55
  Because I've never seen, I mean, obviously he's never called
• 53:58
  plays from the sideline and there's no chance he Joe pause
• 54:01
  it and goes up to the booth to call plays as the head coach.
• 54:05
  So. I am going to say no.
• 54:07
  I, I would agree with that as well.
• 54:09
  I think he, I, I think he hands the reins over as well.
• 54:12
  I, I really do, because I, I think one of his biggest
• 54:16
  strengths is kind of seeing the field and making decisions by
• 54:20
  seeing the field. And yes, it's a little bit
• 54:22
  tougher on the sideline, but number one, I think it'll be
• 54:27
  obviously dependent on who he hires as an offensive
• 54:30
  coordinator. But if he has an offensive
• 54:31
  coordinator with a similar vision to him, I I truly believe
• 54:37
  he will consider letting the offensive coordinator that he
• 54:40
  hires call the place. Collin is going to put his
• 54:44
  thoughts and what he wants the offense to look like when he's
• 54:48
  working with whoever he hires. But I, I really think that's one
• 54:53
  of Collins like biggest keys and, and how he's been
• 54:56
  successful is he sees the field really well and he sees the
• 55:01
  like, what the momentum is like. And he and and you think about
• 55:04
  his play calls and, and certain game.
• 55:06
  Like we, you know, there are games in 2022 and 2023 where
• 55:11
  we're like, what's going on here?
• 55:12
  Like why is this this? But for the most part, he did a
• 55:16
  really good job of putting in plays for the right times, like
• 55:21
  to, to get us in situations, But I, I really think he sees the
• 55:25
  field really well. And when he was working with
• 55:28
  Brian Lepak, you know, I thought that was a really good combo
• 55:30
  that was working up there. So I would not be surprised if
• 55:34
  we see him ceding the play calling to an offensive
• 55:38
  coordinator that he hires and he trusts.
• 55:40
  I I would not be surprised. I just don't know who that is.
• 55:45
  I would love to know who that is and we're bound to find out
• 55:48
  soon. I guess my last question on
• 55:52
  Colin Klein is what do you think is a successful year one for
• 55:58
  Colin Klein? What would you deem as a success
• 56:01
  coming out of, you know, the next the next 12 games?
• 56:05
  Let me look up the schedule real quick.
• 56:07
  Unless somebody has it on tap. Dude, the schedule here here is
• 56:12
  the sad part. Here's the thing.
• 56:14
  Here's the thing, the schedule is extremely attainable.
• 56:17
  If you think about you don't play Texas Tech, you're not
• 56:22
  playing BYU. Texas Texas Good next year.
• 56:25
  Well, I I think there's an assumption that they're going to
• 56:28
  be good. They're not playing BYU.
• 56:33
  We have Tulane again. We have Tulane again.
• 56:35
  We've got. Washington State Nichols
• 56:37
  Washington State Tulane at Arizona at Cincinnati at
• 56:41
  Colorado at Iowa State Home versus Don't.
• 56:44
  You don't. We don't.
• 56:46
  We have to reschedule the Washington State game or get a
• 56:48
  different non conference opponent.
• 56:50
  No. Why?
• 56:51
  I thought because they're not power 4 anymore.
• 56:55
  Well, technically, technically they're in the PAC 12 next year,
• 56:58
  but I I don't believe we are rescheduling that game like the
• 57:05
  so yeah, so you said like away games Arizona State at
• 57:07
  Cincinnati at Colorado at Iowa State at TCU home games,
• 57:12
  Arizona, Houston, Oklahoma State, K UI.
• 57:18
  Mean, don't get me wrong, I mean there's some dubs on that
• 57:22
  schedule. That's, I mean, maybe Oklahoma
• 57:25
  State's better. I think they can't get any
• 57:27
  worse. Houston probably is going to
• 57:30
  have things rolling. Houston will be, but then then
• 57:33
  you have them at home, which is good.
• 57:34
  Arizona, I mean, they were pretty tough this year.
• 57:38
  But you know. Then they'll yeah, we'll have
• 57:40
  them at home. But it's also the a new era
• 57:43
  quarterback. No, no more NOAA Fafida.
• 57:45
  That's been the, you know, the presence there for so long.
• 57:50
  I think the home games are very obtainable.
• 57:53
  You know, 5 away games in Big 12 play not great.
• 57:58
  You don't like to see that. But I think the non con you have
• 58:03
  to get it done. You know, Tulane, Tulane losing
• 58:07
  Summerall they're they're going to be in turmoil.
• 58:10
  Washington state just they lost their coach.
• 58:12
  I think they lost. Their four day or something they
• 58:14
  did. Their head coach is now the head
• 58:16
  coach that I received, so we're going to see him.
• 58:19
  Hold on. Yeah, Jimmy Rogers, who is did.
• 58:23
  You not realize Matt Campbell's at Penn State now?
• 58:26
  No, I didn't know that, but I didn't know they hired a Jimmy.
• 58:28
  Rogers from Washington state, Is that fucking?
• 58:31
  Jamie Jamie Pollard is out here texting him good luck before
• 58:35
  every game, going back to his time at South Dakota State.
• 58:38
  Arizona State rebuilding. They won't have Levitt.
• 58:41
  They won't have Jordan Tyson. Cincinnati.
• 58:44
  No Brennan Sarsby, Colorado, who knows, Iowa State potentially
• 58:51
  could be rebuilding if like Rockabeck doesn't come back.
• 58:55
  TCU will be a tough game. TCU will be a tough game.
• 58:58
  So that's like. But yes, it is obtainable and
• 59:01
  for and to get to the point of the question at hand, what is
• 59:06
  success? And maybe it's not a record
• 59:07
  thing. Who knows what the if, if record
• 59:10
  will really even be determining factor and success under Colin
• 59:15
  Klein in the first season. I mean, we all love the win, but
• 59:18
  I mean at the, at the crux of it is, is his, is his message
• 59:24
  getting across? Is the fans are the fans?
• 59:27
  If the fans are seeing it, then you know, you know what success.
• 59:32
  But if, if we're not seeing anything, if we're seeing the,
• 59:35
  the lack of discipline very similar to what was happening
• 59:38
  this season, I, I could see, you know, I don't think record will
• 59:44
  be that important. But with the, with the schedule
• 59:46
  the way it is, I could see if we're talking just merely about
• 59:52
  the, the, the record, I think six wins is very attainable.
• 59:57
  I don't see any reason why you can't win the first three games.
• 1:00:00
  It's so funny because Nichols was calling Chris Kleinman's
• 1:00:05
  first game as AK State head coach and now it's be Colin
• 1:00:10
  Klein's, which is very, very full circle.
• 1:00:13
  That's really cool. So yeah, I think you go 3 and O
• 1:00:18
  and then however they lay out the the conference schedule,
• 1:00:21
  which will be important. I think we, I think that's one
• 1:00:23
  of my favorite episodes, is breaking down the schedule and
• 1:00:27
  seeing where it goes and how the things set up.
• 1:00:30
  Because you know, there's going to be some Friday games in
• 1:00:32
  there. It's going to get weird.
• 1:00:33
  So you got to find out if we can avoid those landmines and maybe
• 1:00:37
  Colin Klein gets off hot and then it just never turns back.
• 1:00:42
  I think you make a good point about like the record maybe, you
• 1:00:46
  know, does this team show fight in all the games?
• 1:00:49
  Maybe that's the key thing now. I mean, they did show fight in a
• 1:00:54
  lot of the games this year, but they just couldn't finish.
• 1:00:57
  So maybe it's how do they finish?
• 1:00:59
  I think 7:00 and 5:00. You know, if you show a game
• 1:01:02
  improvement from LAT from this past season, I think that would
• 1:01:06
  be a really good, you know, start from an improvement
• 1:01:09
  perspective. It is hard to tell because you
• 1:01:12
  don't know who's going to be on this team.
• 1:01:14
  You know, if you roll back in offense with Avery, Joe Jackson,
• 1:01:17
  Jace Brown, Jaron Tibbs and Oakley Cure, then then it
• 1:01:27
  probably changes and but then the defense, you just don't know
• 1:01:31
  if the defense is how the defense is going to be.
• 1:01:33
  Right. But we also said this at the
• 1:01:34
  beginning of this season. And it just so happens that, you
• 1:01:38
  know, you're you're going to be rolling out a new offense.
• 1:01:40
  You're going to be rolling more than likely, if you don't bring
• 1:01:42
  Clanderman back, you're going to be rolling out a new defense.
• 1:01:45
  Everything is going to be new. And that's exactly what bit us
• 1:01:48
  this season. Obviously the schedule was a
• 1:01:50
  little bit different and you know, we don't know necessarily
• 1:01:52
  all of what the schedule is, but I know we won't be in.
• 1:01:55
  God damn, Ireland to start the season off.
• 1:01:59
  So I guess I guess it is is it is a improvement, but all the
• 1:02:05
  new things that takes time. The team needs to to gel
• 1:02:09
  together. Things are you don't like
• 1:02:11
  change, and that's exactly what happened with this past season.
• 1:02:14
  New things happened. We thought we dust.
• 1:02:17
  We put them under the rug like, you know, new defense, who cares
• 1:02:22
  whatever. And and it came back and bit us.
• 1:02:25
  Oh, we have a new training regime this season.
• 1:02:29
  We lost our strength coach, man, talk about it, talk about it.
• 1:02:34
  And I don't know if we could pull seven wins out with a first
• 1:02:38
  time head coach who might not even be calling plays.
• 1:02:41
  And that's his best thing about him.
• 1:02:42
  So I don't know. Who knows?
• 1:02:45
  I don't know if. You get coach true back,
• 1:02:47
  anything is possible yes. So I the last topic related to
• 1:02:54
  football is the bowl game. So case they did opt out of
• 1:02:57
  their bowl game, it was looking like it could have been Liberty
• 1:03:01
  Bowl, Independence Bowl, probably one of those two
• 1:03:04
  options. I heard Armed Forces, but did
• 1:03:07
  you really want to play in a Liberty Bowl game against Navy
• 1:03:09
  again as a bookend to Kleiman's career, had he not just walked
• 1:03:13
  out of the door that press conference never to see
• 1:03:15
  Manhattan ever again because he went straight to Fargo, ND?
• 1:03:21
  But cats are fined $500,000. And just to clarify this,
• 1:03:25
  because I got a couple of questions about this from
• 1:03:27
  people, shout out to Nate Fafflik.
• 1:03:29
  This is not coming from existing funds.
• 1:03:32
  This is basically a claw back on future conference payouts from
• 1:03:36
  revenue sharing amongst the Big 12 schools.
• 1:03:39
  So it's not something that you're having to cut a check to
• 1:03:44
  big debt of your mark and say, hey, here's half $1,000,000.
• 1:03:47
  It is more so hey, we get X, you know, thirty $40 million a year
• 1:03:53
  from the Big 12. Half a million of that is coming
• 1:03:55
  out of probably our next check for for, you know, July 1st,
• 1:03:59
  whenever that gets paid out. So you get a fine for it, I
• 1:04:02
  guess reactions to this. Iowa State also opts out of
• 1:04:06
  their bowl game. Notre Dame opts out of their
• 1:04:08
  bowl game, which is a very different story than this.
• 1:04:11
  But I, I understand the reasoning behind this of, hey,
• 1:04:14
  you, you don't know if you're going to have a roster more than
• 1:04:16
  40 guys. You got a bunch of injuries, you
• 1:04:19
  got the transfer portal, you've got a coaching change.
• 1:04:21
  Let's just not do it this year. I, I understand that from a
• 1:04:25
  program perspective, but I also get that there's a lot of
• 1:04:28
  nostalgia for people with bowl games.
• 1:04:29
  I enjoy watching bowl games. I enjoy doing our bowl pick them
• 1:04:32
  every year that we do. So I, I see both sides of it
• 1:04:35
  really. And and I'm not going to
• 1:04:38
  demonize the program one way or another for making this
• 1:04:41
  decision, but but I'm curious y'all's reactions on this.
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  Well, it's been very interesting to see the kind of the
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  volatility of both sides of the argument on this one.
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  I, you know, originally when, when the rumor had come out, I
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  was somewhat kind of thrilled about it because I look at it
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  from just like the fan perspective and I think about
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  like the LSU game in 2021. And that's what a lot of people
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  or I feel like a good amount of people are looking at.
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  Well, LSU played us with this and that like it was an
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  enjoyable game for us. It would not be an enjoyable
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  game as as a fan of the team that you know, has half your
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  team playing and you know, half your coaching staff there.
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  You know, despite the fact that what you want the bowl to entail
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  is like the practice and getting your guys reps, but your guys
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  are getting reps with a program that's going to look completely
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  different in a month from an offensive perspective, defensive
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  perspective, like everything's going to be different.
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  So, you know, what are you really practicing?
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  You know, you're practicing like you're going to the weight room
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  and you're, you know, doing this and that.
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  Well, I, I would imagine these guys have the ability to go to
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  the weight room right now if they wanted to, you know, to be
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  working out. So for me, I, I was, I was fine
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  with it. You know, I do love watching us
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  playing a bowl game every year. Like obviously, you know, it's
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  very fun part whether the outcome of the game is good or
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  not. You know, I've seen in person
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  typically is not I would have not wanted to play a Navy team
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  in Liberty Bowl. I would have not wanted to play,
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  you know, a team in a in a conference, you know, Kennesaw
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  State or something like that who has had a great year and, you
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  know, sees this as an opportunity to be the power four
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  team. Like I, I just don't know if we,
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  I don't know if that the program really had the had the wants to
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  play in a game. And, and for me, you know, it's
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  not my opinion, like it shouldn't be my opinion.
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  Like if if the guys feel like they can't put a team together
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  that's going to be successful when, you know, wearing K state
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  stuff and representing K state, then all right.
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  Yeah, I it's about the players and about the coaches.
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  I mean, it's just every person that's involved with K State, I
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  think they have to look out for themselves individually when
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  things like this happen. It's a new era of football
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  players. You want to get paid.
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  You want the best opportunity. You're you know, you kind of
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  know who the head coach is going to be, but you got to be
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  prepared for things that are coming down the line.
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  So coaches who, who would even coach the bowl game if we did
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  play. So that's that's a thing because
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  like all these guys, I mean, maybe they show a little bit of
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  fight if they can coach this team into a bowl game win or
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  whatever. And they just, you know, you
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  show your abilities for coaching during the bowl game, but you've
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  already had that, you know what's on tape.
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  So you just get prepared individually for maybe making
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  contact with people in the industry of where you could
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  possibly land if you're not with K State.
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  So you've got to get all that in motion.
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  And I don't blame them for, you know, not participating in the
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  the Independence Bowl and Shreveport versus Louisiana Tech
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  at home. Like, who the hell wants to play
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  that game? I would like to watch it.
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  But, you know, if we're going to get trounced and we don't have
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  the the amount of players that we need and like Matt said, what
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  are we practicing for? Because we're not going to be
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  running this scheme next year. I mean, what, what what's the
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  point of it other than, you know, fan service?
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  And and I think it's a lot, a lot of it has to do with the
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  bowls too, themselves. I mean, that's the state of
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  college football that we're in. I mean, it's mostly playoff
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  football driven. These bowls are, you know, just
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  advertising basically, and that's all it is.
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  It's an exhibition. So what?
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  What can these bulls provide a team that you know, doesn't
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  really have any incentive to go there, so maybe they start
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  stealing out cash I. Don't know I I mean it should be
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  it should be like players era for basketball, right like.
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  No. I yeah, that's a.
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  Perfect analogy. I think I think bowl games, if
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  you want guys to play and care and not opt out, you should
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  provide an IO like OK now. OK, go, go ahead.
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  Go ahead. Sorry.
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  I, no, I, I, I mean, I think that's the next step.
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  I think some bowl games may get left out of that situation by
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  not being able to provide that. But like for K State and Iowa
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  State to opt out. And then obviously Notre Dame,
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  you know, is a a huge name of opting out of a bowl game Like
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  we've seen for the past handful of years.
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  We have players that opt out. So you're you're not playing a
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  bowl game at full strength with the squad that you had that year
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  for the most part, typically. But the next step has to be
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  providing an NIL payout to the winner and the loser of the
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  game. I mean, I, I, I just think
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  that's a, that has to be the next step for some of these bowl
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  games to succeed. You know, if the College
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  Football Playoff, like isn't going to adjust, you know, if it
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  goes to 16 teams, whatever, you're still leaving out a bunch
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  of teams that would qualify for a bowl.
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  Yeah, OK. Now, now if you're ready for
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  some tinfoil hat and not necessary, you know, just my
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  vision of what college football could be and what what post
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  season could be. Now get with me for a second.
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  Not necessarily teams anymore. I think the team bowl system is
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  dead. I think that is very, you know,
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  whatever. I think we have players that
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  want to make names for themselves that not necessarily
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  are done with college football that can return next year for
• 1:10:55
  college football. I think we have things like
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  multiple All American Fantasy draft football, very Pro Bowl
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  esque. You draft three players from
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  Kansas State, you draft a couple players from Iowa State and you
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  you build this collective of a Big 12 collective team.
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  And then we put those teams on the field and we play that game.
• 1:11:20
  Now I know it's going to be very Pro Bowl like Pro Bowls from the
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  early 2000s were fun. People were hitting, they were
• 1:11:28
  doing all those things. And if you pay these players now
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  you're getting a more of a spectacle instead of 1/2 ass
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  team that doesn't necessarily want to be out there.
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  But if you have a a team of four stars, let's say Avery Johnson
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  gets drafted into this and he's throwing to another Big 12
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  receiver, but he's getting paid money to do it.
• 1:11:55
  I think that would bring more eyeballs to fans and that would
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  bring more, not necessarily more money to the team, but it would
• 1:12:05
  give us a reason to watch things in the postseason now smite me
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  down. But I think this might happen in
• 1:12:13
  the future. I'm just trying to think of how
• 1:12:16
  the logistics works to where. No, I mean.
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  Where 3K state players are getting selected to some All
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  Star team to. Play So it's the Senior Bowl,
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  no? Exactly.
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  You put the Senior Bowl, but players that don't lose
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  eligibility and that that that still have eligibility to play
• 1:12:31
  and will be back at K State and hopefully or whatever.
• 1:12:34
  But this is even more of a reason they wear that K State
• 1:12:37
  helmet out there, but they still have time to put themselves into
• 1:12:42
  the transfer window. This is a it's just an exciting
• 1:12:46
  time for individual players. It's a little crazy, but I still
• 1:12:50
  think I would TuneIn to see where Avery Johnson is playing
• 1:12:53
  on a selective All Star team. And you can have four or five of
• 1:12:58
  these games if you really want to get crazy, call them whatever
• 1:13:01
  you want, put whatever slapstick brand you want on the side of
• 1:13:06
  it. But if Kate Avery Johnson.
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  Skyline Chili Bowl. Yeah, the remember when we named
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  bowls? That was fun.
• 1:13:16
  Why not do that with this? But it's it's an All Star style
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  and Avery Johnson is wearing the power cat helmet out there and
• 1:13:24
  he is selected to an All Star team.
• 1:13:26
  I think it would be fun. I think it would be good for our
• 1:13:30
  brand. I think it would be good for an
• 1:13:32
  individual's brand. And if he wants to transfer cuz
• 1:13:35
  he showed out and he put 303 touchdowns in the All Star game
• 1:13:39
  and somebody calls him from Bama that wants to have him, then
• 1:13:42
  that's good for him individually.
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  But you know, I think it's worth it because I think that's, I
• 1:13:47
  think that's where we're going because the the teams are just
• 1:13:49
  opting out and we're having to pay money.
• 1:13:52
  I don't know. I that's where I think I think
• 1:13:54
  would be more fun and more indicative, not indicative, more
• 1:13:58
  prosperous for the offseason instead of just having a 5 and 7
• 1:14:03
  Rice team play another five and seven team and expect me to
• 1:14:06
  watch that. I'm not going to.
• 1:14:08
  I mean, I'm, I'm going to laugh at this now.
• 1:14:10
  I, I, I do not think this is a great idea at all, but this is
• 1:14:13
  going to happen in three years because this is something that
• 1:14:16
  chef dreaming up and it's just going to happen.
• 1:14:18
  Oh my God, there's era was effectively chef's idea.
• 1:14:21
  Oh my. God no it wasn't.
• 1:14:23
  I don't get if this happens. I need, I want, I want I.
• 1:14:27
  Want the the Dubai tournament? The Dubai tournament was Chef's
• 1:14:30
  idea. Let's go play basketball in the
• 1:14:32
  Middle East and get guys Let's get let's get a teams and travel
• 1:14:37
  them out to the Middle East for a week, play basketball and then
• 1:14:40
  come back to. The game in Dublin, Ireland and
• 1:14:42
  football's going to screw up your season just thinking about.
• 1:14:44
  Dubai, let me let me tell you, I'm.
• 1:14:47
  Telling you, I think the All Star, an All Star, an All
• 1:14:50
  American select team is, is something that can very much
• 1:14:55
  happen. I you know what, I appreciate
• 1:15:00
  your ideas. Could you imagine, could you
• 1:15:04
  imagine if like the All Big 12, like you just put the All Big 12
• 1:15:07
  team, all the underclassmen? Well, because I think the
• 1:15:10
  seniors might be doing something or if they have other
• 1:15:12
  obligations in the playoffs, whatever.
• 1:15:14
  You can opt out of it, whatever. But if you are an all, all Big
• 1:15:17
  12 team, you put an all Big 12 team versus an all SEC team and
• 1:15:22
  have it as as a game or an all ACC team versus an all Big 10
• 1:15:26
  team, whatever you want to do. But I think it would be fun.
• 1:15:29
  I think it would, it would build the brands of some of the
• 1:15:32
  schools, have interviews behind the scenes.
• 1:15:35
  I think there's a lot of stuff that can be done with this, this
• 1:15:38
  idea, and it just came out of my brain, not just now.
• 1:15:42
  I've been thinking about this for a little bit.
• 1:15:45
  All right. What a beautiful brain you have.
• 1:15:47
  All right, that's going to do it for the football pod for this
• 1:15:51
  week. We had so much to talk about.
• 1:15:54
  There's so much more to talk about, so we're going to go
• 1:15:57
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