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CLEARVIEW RANCH ROCKY MOUNTAINS | KATIE PAIGE · Ryder Lee

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  Speaker 1: today our guest has ties to high strangeness at ranch
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  Speaker 1: in Colorado known as the Rocky Mountain Ranch, better known
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  Speaker 1: as the Clearview Ranch, which is what I know about.
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  Speaker 1: The ranch predates the infamous Skinwalker Ranch by over a decade.
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  Speaker 1: She's appeared on the History channels Beyond Skinwalker, The Unexplained
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  Speaker 1: with William Shatner, Travel Channels, UFO, Witness, and many others.
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  Speaker 1: Katie Page, Welcome to the show. How are you doing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing well. Thanks for having me writer. It's a
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  Speaker 2: pleasure to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Man. What is it with all these ranches? You know,
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  Speaker 1: how many are there? I mean, for real, what's going on?
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  Speaker 1: What's the deal with these ranches? You got Clearview Ranch,
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  Speaker 1: you got Stardust Ranch, you got the Buffalo Ranch, which
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  Speaker 1: I think that the Buffalo Ranch is pretty close to
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  Speaker 1: the Clearview Ranch, is it not?
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  Speaker 2: It is I learned about that and digging deep into
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  Speaker 2: my own history with Clearview slash Rocky Mountain Ranch, learned
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  Speaker 2: about the Buffalo Ranch. That's an interesting one for sure,
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  Speaker 2: and really that whole area in Elbert County, Colorado, like
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  Speaker 2: you mentioned in your intro, it kind of predates the
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  Speaker 2: Skinwalker Ranch. But there's so many There's Marley Woods, Trey
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  Speaker 2: Hudson's down south, you know, even around the world. Pulse
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  Speaker 2: and Clear talks about very similar types of things occurring
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  Speaker 2: high strangeness out in the UK, And so when I
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  Speaker 2: really took a hard look at these different locations, I
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  Speaker 2: was trying to figure out, you know, what in the
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  Speaker 2: world do they have in common, if anything, And some
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  Speaker 2: of the things I found looking at the magnetic anomaly map,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of these just ping the charts, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the light light, pink colors, the highest magnetic areas, and
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  Speaker 2: all of these places with a few little outlier exceptions,
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  Speaker 2: ping the charts of being highly magnetic. Most of them
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  Speaker 2: have water, whether they're aquifers, river streams, lakes, so they
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  Speaker 2: got that water element, and they are gel logically pretty
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  Speaker 2: similar as well. So I don't know, you know what
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  Speaker 2: that combination, that magical combination does for the high strangest,
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  Speaker 2: whether it allows us to interact with it or view
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  Speaker 2: it more, or if the whatever the phenomena is, if
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  Speaker 2: it's just attracted to these locations. I'm not sure, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they're all around the world.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's good to have you on because you have
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  Speaker 1: firsthand knowledge of the clear View Ranch, and we're going
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  Speaker 1: to get into a few other things as well. And
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  Speaker 1: it's not every day that you get to talk to
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  Speaker 1: someone that's actually involved with these things. It's normally just
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  Speaker 1: people telling stories, you know what I mean, and then
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  Speaker 1: it gets steeped into mythology and then it almost becomes
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  Speaker 1: like a like a fairy tale, you know. So you
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  Speaker 1: can clear up any of the misconceptions or facts, but
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  Speaker 1: there are also apro reports about that has been investigated
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  Speaker 1: at this property. So let's go back to the very beginning,
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily with your involvement with it, but from my understanding,
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  Speaker 1: this property was purchased by the Mulligan family in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: oh seven. Is that correct to your knowledge?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? So yeah, And researching the property the Mulligan stood
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  Speaker 2: own it was known as the Mulligan Homestead, and looking
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  Speaker 2: at one of the gentlemen out there, Dick Mulligan was
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  Speaker 2: born and raised on this property, and he later in
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  Speaker 2: life became the caretaker of Winnipark Ski Resort here in Colorado.
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  Speaker 2: And it's interesting because he was really known. He was
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  Speaker 2: an Irish man born and raised on that property from
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  Speaker 2: my childhood. And said that Dick Mulligan had the gift
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  Speaker 2: of bold exaggeration and storytelling. And I was thinking, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I can just imagine him trying to explain to people
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  Speaker 2: what he's experiencing on that property, and they just kind
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  Speaker 2: of wrote it off as you know, him having this
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  Speaker 2: bold exaggeration, which I don't think. Maybe he wasn't exaggerating,
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  Speaker 2: he was just trying to communicate what was going on.
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  Speaker 2: Which leads to one of the questions I always had
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  Speaker 2: in researching property is how much of this is black
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  Speaker 2: access government projects going on there and how much of
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  Speaker 2: it is actual paranormal in nature. So, and we can
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  Speaker 2: get into that a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's close to a military base. You don't have
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  Speaker 1: the name in the military base, but it's in proximately
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  Speaker 1: to an Air Force base.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, many Colorado springs. You know, we have Norad out
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  Speaker 2: there in the Air Force Academy and Fort Carson big
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  Speaker 2: out there. So and back in the mid to late seventies,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when I was a young girl experiencing things
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  Speaker 2: out there, if I pulled up the old maps of
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  Speaker 2: the area and the Air Force Academy owned a lot
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  Speaker 2: of property back across I twenty five, through the Black
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  Speaker 2: Forest and up through Elbert County, so you know, and
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  Speaker 2: that property did it was sixty acres out there in
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  Speaker 2: Elbert County and it sat vacant for the report, say
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  Speaker 2: seven to twelve years. My records show roughly around ten
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  Speaker 2: years it was vacant. And so you know, back in
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  Speaker 2: seventy five, Linda Moulton Howe got her start out there
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  Speaker 2: investigating these strange animal deaths. She was an investigative journalist
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  Speaker 2: out here in Colorado, and that was, you know, one
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  Speaker 2: of the big things that was going on at the time,
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  Speaker 2: investigated by the Colorado Bureau of Investigations. The governor gotten involved.
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  Speaker 2: So that's kind of where it started out. There were
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  Speaker 2: the strange animal deaths all across the Midwest.
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  Speaker 1: Now, from my understanding, the property was the property owned
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  Speaker 1: by the Mulligan family. Whenever, because the names have all
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  Speaker 1: been changed, they're essentially all suit in them. So you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna have to excuse me whenever you're mentioning their names,
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  Speaker 1: because you know them by different names, and I know
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  Speaker 1: them by another set of names, right, So did John
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  Speaker 1: did John? He goes by Priestley in the reports and
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  Speaker 1: in the stories John Priestley. Did John by the property
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  Speaker 1: from the Mulligans Or did the Mulligans saw the property
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  Speaker 1: to somebody else and then John and his family buy
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  Speaker 1: it from the other people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Mulligan's basically abandoned the property, just left. And
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  Speaker 2: that was something really interesting. And pulling a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the newspaper articles on the mutilations back in the day,
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  Speaker 2: I started contacting some of these, you know, local neighbors
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  Speaker 2: and interviewing people in the town and because I was curious,
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  Speaker 2: you know, had they seen anything unusual about the sixty
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  Speaker 2: acre property And they would see lights flying on and
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  Speaker 2: off of it, and there were rumors about this property.
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  Speaker 2: There was even a rumor in the report of like
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  Speaker 2: a building that disappeared and the truck keys were still
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  Speaker 2: left in the ignition, you know, crazy things like that.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a very strange property. It feels kind of
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  Speaker 2: strange when you're there. But the whole area of Albert
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  Speaker 2: County was hit hard. It wasn't just this one property.
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  Speaker 2: So to back up now, as a young girl, the
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  Speaker 2: reason I knew when I got hunt for the skinwalker.
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  Speaker 2: That's the first time I learned anybody knew anything about
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  Speaker 2: the ranch at all, because we were threatened and war
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  Speaker 2: never to talk about what happened out there, and we'll
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  Speaker 2: talk about what that was, what that looked like.
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  Speaker 1: So I never local police department that threatened you not
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  Speaker 1: to say anything or no.
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  Speaker 2: It was this. It was the scariest night I experienced
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  Speaker 2: on the ranch. It was this strange electronic sounding voice.
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  Speaker 2: And in the APRO report. APRO was the Aerial Phenomenon
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  Speaker 2: Research Organization that I learned actually investigated the property, and
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  Speaker 2: beknownst to me, I mean, I'm nine, ten eleven years old,
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  Speaker 2: so I wouldn't have known anyway, but basically, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they had reports. One of the first things reported out
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  Speaker 2: there on the property were these strange hums that sounded
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  Speaker 2: a lot like the Taos Hum. And anytime this hum
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  Speaker 2: would start up, unusual things would happen. So we were
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  Speaker 2: out there celebrating the boys' mom's birthday. Let me set
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  Speaker 2: up what this looked like, because it's kind of confusing.
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  Speaker 2: We moved to Colorado in nineteen seventy from Illinois. My
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  Speaker 2: mom and my dad divorced in seventy three. By nineteen
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  Speaker 2: seventy five, she started dating a gentleman from her work.
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  Speaker 2: My mom worked for United Airlines, is a key punch
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  Speaker 2: operator in the Denver Tech Center. She meets a gentleman
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  Speaker 2: by the name of Jack. I believe he is Jim
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  Speaker 2: or John in the Apper report. That's how you know
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  Speaker 2: his real name is Jack. So my mom is dating Jack.
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  Speaker 2: Jack is not officially divorced from his wife in the report.
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  Speaker 2: Her name's Barbara, but her real name is Betty. So
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  Speaker 2: Jack and Betty actually never get divorced. Now here's where
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  Speaker 2: it gets interesting. Enter John, and I believe John is Jim.
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  Speaker 2: In the report. John is this interesting character who claims
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  Speaker 2: to have been part of the Air Force Command. He
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  Speaker 2: comes from San Francisco, meets Betty. So Betty and John
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  Speaker 2: are dating, and my mom and Jack are dating. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: does that make sense? So me and my older sister
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  Speaker 2: right are there. And then Betty and Jack have three boys.
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  Speaker 2: So the two younger boys live with us about forty
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  Speaker 2: five minutes away from when the ranches, So we traveled
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  Speaker 2: back and forth to the ranch, would spend weekends on
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  Speaker 2: the ranch. I did not live on this property full time,
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  Speaker 2: thank goodness, because I think I would have been scarred
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  Speaker 2: for life had I been. And I was kind of
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  Speaker 2: talking to you writer before the show that in retrospect,
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  Speaker 2: I look back and I think, you know, the the
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  Speaker 2: two younger boys lived with us during the week for
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  Speaker 2: three years, and I'm like, I bet not only did
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  Speaker 2: they want them to attend Cherry Creek School District, which
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  Speaker 2: is a really big school district here in Colorado, but
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  Speaker 2: I think they wanted to protect him from the weird
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  Speaker 2: activity that was going on at the ranch. So only
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  Speaker 2: the oldest son, his name was Jack Junior or Jackie
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  Speaker 2: we called him during those years, he lived on the
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  Speaker 2: ranch full time. So that's kind of the setup, kind
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  Speaker 2: of weird. And interestingly enough, Jack and Betty never did
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  Speaker 2: get divorced and they recently passed, so they spent the
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  Speaker 2: rest of their lives married. But for those three years
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  Speaker 2: of that high strangeness, my mom was dating dating him,
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  Speaker 2: so you know, it was a seventies free love piece.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, but the person that's most interesting is
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  Speaker 2: John John Duke. He's very suspicious, so.
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  Speaker 1: Because it's a little confusing because I have different names
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  Speaker 1: for these people, so it's kind of difficult to distinguish
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  Speaker 1: which one which ones are which did the family's mother
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  Speaker 1: ever live on She lived on the ranch.
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  Speaker 2: That's Barbara, Yeah, and the report she's Barbara. She she
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  Speaker 2: experienced a lot of things on that march and you know,
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  Speaker 2: seeing ets being paralyzed, you know, all these so she
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  Speaker 2: was there full time.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, then there's a report that she somehow got knocked
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  Speaker 1: down by an unexplainable or like a saucer or like
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  Speaker 1: a craft.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, so this is where, you know, one of
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  Speaker 2: the big things I've been really looking into, like we
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  Speaker 2: talked about, is how much of this is you know,
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  Speaker 2: black x as, military MK ultra things, And there's clues
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  Speaker 2: that that was going on. Doctor Leo Sprinkle was one
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  Speaker 2: of the AFRO investigators, and he was a psychologist and
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  Speaker 2: did a lot of regressions out of the University of Wyoming.
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  Speaker 2: There he is on the document are Leo Sprinkle, So
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  Speaker 2: he was one of the main investigators. And when I
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  Speaker 2: learned of his involvement in this case, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: quickly wrote him a letter confirming this was the location
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  Speaker 2: of my childhood, went out there and spent three years
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  Speaker 2: going back and forth to the archives, digging into old documents,
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  Speaker 2: and in his handwritten notes, they talk about a soldier
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  Speaker 2: by the name of Warren. His last name was redacted out,
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  Speaker 2: but it basically basically said Warren from Camp Carson visits
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  Speaker 2: the ranch, felt something wrong. He didn't want to go
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  Speaker 2: into the woods because there was these ponderosa pon pines
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  Speaker 2: behind the ranch house. Something took over his mind made
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  Speaker 2: him walk towards the woods would release him. He would
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  Speaker 2: run back to the ranch house and this did this
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  Speaker 2: to him three times. So you know, Number one, why
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  Speaker 2: is there a soldier from Camp Carson even at the
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  Speaker 2: ranch property. Number One, we know in his handwritten notes
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  Speaker 2: with the under Sheriff Bill Waugh and George Arnell that
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  Speaker 2: they had directives from the head of the Air Force
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  Speaker 2: to basically downplay the cattle mutilations and that they would
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  Speaker 2: handle the UFOs and the sasquatch sightings. That comes from
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  Speaker 2: the directive head of the Air Force, which is kind
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  Speaker 2: of what's going on with that. So, yeah, it was
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  Speaker 2: a big deal back in the day. Talking to the
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  Speaker 2: under Sheriff, he also experienced a lot of strange things
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  Speaker 2: out there in Olbert County while on patrol.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so the case is really convoluted, just like
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  Speaker 1: a lot of these cases are really convoluted, and it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't help that the names and everything has been changed.
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  Speaker 1: So let's go over the people that were there, because
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know then by Barbara, you said Barbara
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  Speaker 1: is really Betty, Betty, Jim, Joe, John. They used jays
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  Speaker 1: for all of their names, doesn't the real.
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  Speaker 2: Names are John and Jack and Jackie Junior, so they
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  Speaker 2: all are j names. And then changing Betty to Barbara.
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  Speaker 2: I just when I saw that, I kind of laughed
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  Speaker 2: because they didn't really change him much.
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  Speaker 1: You know, let's give them super generic names with all
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  Speaker 1: Jay's now whenever you were there, Well, first let's go
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  Speaker 1: back because I want to cover something that was supposedly
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  Speaker 1: reported and was like a rumor before they bought the
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  Speaker 1: ranch in nineteen seventy five. I believe it was October
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  Speaker 1: of nineteen seventy five, is when the pseudonym Priestley family
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  Speaker 1: bought the ranch. Now, there were rumors that there was
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  Speaker 1: like a building or something that was on the property,
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  Speaker 1: that was built on the property that just completely disappeared.
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  Speaker 1: Did you look into any of that whenever you figured
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  Speaker 1: out that this was a really big deal.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't specifically tried to locate where that was. But
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  Speaker 2: I can say there was a lot of dilapidated old
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  Speaker 2: buildings on that property. There's a lot of old cars
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  Speaker 2: left behind, and you know, just little outbuildings. So you know,
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  Speaker 2: the thing about that that is interesting to me because
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  Speaker 2: first of all, I don't know if I believe a
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  Speaker 2: building just disappears. What I found interesting about that old
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  Speaker 2: story is that they it was a quickly and when
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  Speaker 2: you know the family of my childhood, they also abandoned
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  Speaker 2: it quickly. Now that being said, it sat vacant for
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  Speaker 2: quite a while. And then the family that lives there
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  Speaker 2: now that is on beyond Skinwalker, they have lived there
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  Speaker 2: for over thirty years. And it was interesting when I
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  Speaker 2: first contacted them because I didn't know if the family
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  Speaker 2: that lives there now, I didn't know if they were
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  Speaker 2: experienced anything, if they knew the history of their home.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is where they, you know, raised their
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  Speaker 2: daughter and everything. So I put a little note in
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  Speaker 2: the box because it's a gated community, and I just
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  Speaker 2: explained who I was in my connection to the property,
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  Speaker 2: and then COVID shut us all down and I wasn't
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  Speaker 2: going to like call them on the phone and just
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  Speaker 2: you know, spew all this crazy stuff that happened there
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  Speaker 2: and the history of their home. So fast forward History
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  Speaker 2: Channel gets ahold of them and they're like, you know what,
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  Speaker 2: we don't want you to talk or meet until we're filming.
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  Speaker 2: So when you see that first episode of Beyond Skinwalker,
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  Speaker 2: that's the first time I'm meeting the family. And what
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  Speaker 2: they don't show on Beyond Skinwalker because you film for
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  Speaker 2: a week and they get it down to like a
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  Speaker 2: forty four minute episode. But we sat around that table
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  Speaker 2: for I don't know, an hour and a half in
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  Speaker 2: their big garage and I was sharing with the family
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  Speaker 2: for the very first time the history of their home,
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  Speaker 2: and I didn't know how they were going to take it,
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  Speaker 2: if they were open to this, if they've experienced things.
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  Speaker 2: So it was a really interesting thing to go through.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, the daughter Nicole, she experienced the shadow
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  Speaker 2: beings like I experienced as a young girl and throughout
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  Speaker 2: my life on that sense of being watched, the hum sounds.
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  Speaker 2: The mother, Chris, who unfortunately passed away after season one,
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  Speaker 2: she also experienced the shadows and more of the paranormal
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  Speaker 2: type of things on the ranch property. But the father,
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  Speaker 2: Greg who you know, he likes to stay busy and
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  Speaker 2: tinker and do things and work on cars and build things.
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  Speaker 2: He really didn't, but after Chris passed away as WORF
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  Speaker 2: and we kind of opened him up to maybe you
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  Speaker 2: should pay a little more attention. He is now starting
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  Speaker 2: to experience some unusual things on the ranch. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if it was just he wasn't open to it
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  Speaker 2: or wasn't paying attention or what that is. But now
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  Speaker 2: talking to Greg, He's like, oh, yeah, well this happened,
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  Speaker 2: and this happened, and you know kind of thing, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, huh, yeah, that's unusual.
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  Speaker 1: So well, that really brings in to question, like how
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: much of this phenomenon is strictly dependent upon the person, right,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: because with my experiences, like let's take the you know,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Amityville Horror House for example, Like after the Lutz family
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: moved out of that house, no one's reported anything at all,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: No other no other owner of the home has ever
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: said anything. And that's been a few owners since the
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Lutz family moved out. Maybe that's a bad example because
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that think that the whole
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Amityville Horror House thing was faked and the Lutzes did
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: it for publicity, but you get what I'm saying right now.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, just with my own experiences. You can go
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: with a group of people to a supposedly haunted location,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: everyone can experience something different. You know. That's always struck
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: me as kind of odd, because if something is finite
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: happening in our reality, everyone should experience that same thing.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: But I don't know. That may not be the way
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: that it works, but I know that I used to be,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: you know, a paranormal investigator, and I would go with
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: like a group of friends, and after it was over,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: everyone essentially had different stories as to what they experienced.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if it's dependent upon a specific individual,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: but did everyone essentially experience like did you guys talk
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: about the things that you were experiencing with each other
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: as you were experiencing them or did you kind of
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: just brush them off whenever you were at the ranch?
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Well, I think, writer, you bring up such an important
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: part of this and in my research as well, and
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: I started, like you, looking more into the hitchhiker effect
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: and the paranormal kind of things because I experienced that
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: my whole life, and even my grandfather back in Wisconsin.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: He had early sightings in the sixties over Lake Como
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: of an oblong shaped craft investigated by Jay Allen Heinich.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: So it kind of has, you know, seems to run
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: in families for whatever reason. And talking to the Miller Ranch,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Sue and Tom Miller out in Trinidad, we were talking
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: about the hitchhiker things, and you can see my interview
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: with them where we really go off the cattle mutilations
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: into the more hitchhiker type of activities they've experienced out
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: there in Trinidad and on my Rocky Mountain Runs YouTube channel.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: But we were talking about the families that get hit
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: with the mutilations and the kind of that paranormal aspect,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: and he said, and I'm finding this as well, that
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: it does seem like certain people are hit more than
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: other people, and so are we part of this process
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: of manifesting these kind of things to happen. And in
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: the case of the Rocky Mountain Ranch back in the seventies,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: you think, you know, mass hysteria, and it's like this
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: this thing blew up because I always ask like, why
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: was this a three four year It's just like heightened
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: to this mass kind of everything was going on during
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: these few years, and then it kind of came down.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Now it's still going on to a degree, but not
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: to where it was then. And I don't know if
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: the hype and the people feed off each other and
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: people are just like building it up so it's manifesting more.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: But I do think that that's an important piece and why, Like,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: for example, for season three of Beyond Skinwalker, my sister
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: will be on and I had to do a little
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: pushing and protting to get her to go because for
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: whatever reason, the phenomena hasn't affected her life as it
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: as a disaffected mind and she didn't want that. She's like,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: I don't want that in my life. I don't want
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: the paranorl stuff in my house. And I don't blame her,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: you know, I've become kind of more comfortable with all
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: these weird things happening. But it is a keen to
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: kind of like plugging in a lights or an outlet
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: or something where you can kind of amp things up
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: if you're paying attention and manifesting, and then you can
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: also unplug and kind of get away from it and
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: distract yourself from it. So I do think we're important
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: players in the phenomena.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've always thought that that's a really interesting aspect,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: and I've taken a completely step back from the paranormal
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: stuff because I believe that it's real and I don't
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: want it right. I don't want it around me. I
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: don't want it near me, you know. So it's I've
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: completely let all that stuff go, but I like to
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: talk about it with people. So what was the the
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: first thing that struck you as odd whenever? Well, you
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: didn't live there full time, like you mentioned, you essentially
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: lived there from a Friday to Monday or something.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we were taking the boys back and forth to
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: see their mom on the weekends and stuff, and we'd
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: hang out there sometimes during the weekends or you know,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: during the week whatever would come up. You know, when
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: you have two younger kids, they need to go visit
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: their mom. So it was kind of that situation. So
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: we would drive back and forth and hang out there
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: and stuff. And one of the things that really sticks
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: out in my mind was a weekend day, you know,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Colorado's heavy snow, wet, heavy snow, and it was sunshining,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: and my sister and I decided to go out in
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: front of the ranch house and flip the frisbee and
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: it wasn't like a scary thing or anything. We're having fun,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: you know, two sisters having fun throwing the frisbee. But
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: we looked down and it was just dry, dry dirt
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: where nothing grew, with this large circle and on the
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: outside was this wet, heavy snow and it's just stuck
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: in my mind, and my sister's mind is being unusual,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: and the investigator side of me goes, well, maybe there
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: was an old silo sitting there or something. No, there
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: was nothing ever sitting there. Now it's called the landing site,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: and doing the experiments with Beyond Skinwalker, we have the
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: drones acting weird around there. We have the rockets kind
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: of freaking out right over that site. The dog won't
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: go to that site. It's kind of strange. So I
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: don't know what it is about that site, but it
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: is an anomaly, and I was when we got the
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: original APAO report back. It does mention that, you know,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: there were two of these snowless circles on the property.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: I only remember the one, but they measured it to
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: be seven day five feet in diameter, which correlates to
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: the snippy the horse case, And that's what I'll be
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: speaking about contact in the desert this year is the
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: nineteen sixty seven Snippy the Horse case, which is the
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: first nationally recognized animal mutilation case in the world, really
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: in the San Luis Valley of Colorado. And doing a
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: deep dive into the Snippy the Horse case, there are
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: so many similarities that I was unaware of that correlate
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: to the Rocky Mountain Ranch, which is really fascinating.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Is it true that Jim, well Jack, Jack or Jim
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: even the real names have jays as well. Is it
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: true that he would bury like precious metals and things
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: like on the property to somehow get this type of
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: activity to like ramp up, Because that's one of the
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: things that is talked about within the stories. Like the
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: people that you know just tell the stories. They have
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: no affiliation with the actual like case. They tell the
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: story that Jack Jim would bury precious metals like silver,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: and that these entities and these things they didn't like
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: silver and they were kind of like repelled by it,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: and that this would kind of stir up the activity.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: And they talk about how all whenever the family would
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: bring some guest over and the guest didn't really believe
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: anything that was necessarily going on there. Then he would
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: go out and bury something in the yard and then
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: it would stir up all this activity.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: That's true. So you have to remember my mom was
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: dating Jack, so Jack lived with us for these years,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: so he's not on the ranch proper very very often.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: So most of what you read about in that Apple
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: report is going to be John. His name, his so
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: called name was John Duke. And talking to the boys,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: I have limited conversations with the youngest son. All three
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: of the boys have lived, they moved out of the
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: state of Colorado, and they really don't want anything to
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: do with the ranch or what happened there. I think
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: they were traumatized and terrorized by what happened to them
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: when they were younger. But their memories of John Duke,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: their mother's boyfriend at the time, they felt he was
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: a liar, he was a manipulator. He was kind of
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: out there. And he's the one that claims to be
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: with the Air Command forced from San Francisco, who talks
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: about doing legal LSD. I don't know about you, but
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know about legal LSD. And something interesting about that.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: After contact in the desert. Last year, we stopped by
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: and interviewed the widow and daughter of a recently deceased
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: CIA agent Okay that lived out in the Crestone area
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: in the San Luis Valley of Colorado, and he talked
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: about doing experiments back during these years of the ranch
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: what they called FM, which is freaking magic combinations of
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: different hallucinos, LSD, things like that. And so here we
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: have documents of John Duke being part of this, coming
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: from San Francisco, things that kind of speak of MK
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: ultra activities. This weird disembodied electrical voice that kind of
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: threatened us. The quote is in the Apple Report, and
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: that's how I know exactly what it said. But my
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: sister and I were like traumatized by this night. So
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: the hump starts up, all the power in the house
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: goes out, and this voice comes through every orifice of
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: the house and it says, attention, We've had a lot.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: We have allowed you to remain. We have interfered with
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: your lives very little. Do not cause us to take
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: action which you will regret. Your friends will be instructed
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: to remain silent concerning us. Now at the time, people
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: are thinking this is extraterrestrial or aliens or something like that. Right,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: it scared us to death. And after that voice did that,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: my mom and Jack basically said to my sister and
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I don't talk about this at school, to your friends.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: You're not going to talk about anything that happens at
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: the ranch. Do not talk about this. And so we didn't,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: so much so that me and my sister would secretly
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: kind of do this like pig Latin and talk to
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: each other about it because we had nobody to talk
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: to about all these rare things that were going on.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: But now that I'm investigating this, looking back and I'm
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: tying in, you know this, these black access projects, they
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: talked about taking homeless people and vagrants to the property.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Why are they doing that? But there's a technology called
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: plasma ball technology where you can pipe human sounding voices
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: out and it sounds when I played it back. You
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: can just type in on like a YouTube channel or
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: something like plasma ball technology, and that is the exact
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: sound of that disembodied voice, you know. So I think
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: there was some basically like maybe they were trying to
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: see how people would react on different types of you know,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: LSD or this FM, and you know, is he hallucinating
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: these et contacts, you know, all that kind of stuff.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know, So I think there were some nefarious
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: things going on at that ranch. However, that being said,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: we know cattle mutilations were going out, there were the
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: blacked out helicopters that were going on. People were having
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: paranormal things happen in their house. So I can't say
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: all of it was our military. There was another side
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: of it that is still unexplained.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Was John the one that supposedly seen the craft in
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: the box? Are these boxes things real?
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Did you witness I saw the box. I did witness
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: the box, and the under Sheriff Bill Wall witnessed the box,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: and other people have witnessed the box. So, and that's
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: something I didn't talk about for a long time because
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: the box is so strange. And there's boxes and other cases.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: The Carl Higden case in nineteen seventy four out of
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Medicine Bow, there's a box in doing the Snippy case.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: The Lewises and other witnesses, the Wilson's saw a box
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: in the San Luis Valley. So what are these boxes
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: and are they tied to the mutilations? My sighting of
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: the box. It was Jack, the youngest son, Scott, and myself.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: We were in the pickup truck and we stopped at
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: this little outbuilding to get some tools or something, and
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: then we're going to just drive around. There was like
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: a path in the truck that went around the Ponderosa Pines.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: So we were just driving in the truck and all
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, Jack pulls over the truck and he goes,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: it's the box. It's the box. And we look and
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: there was this box and it was hovering off the ground.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: It made like a b electronic sound sound, and he
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: was just yelling at me and Scott to get back
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: in the truck. It's the box, Get in the truck,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Get in the truck. And we jumped in the back
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: of the pickup truck and I looked back and it
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: just was gone. I don't know what that was, but
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: I know in the reports they said the ets or whatever.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: I never saw an et or anything like that, but
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: they said the box is lethal, and they gave an
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: example of like a sasquatch approaching the box and it
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: dropped the sasquatch to its knees. I didn't witness that.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it was true, I don't know,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: but that's in the report. But the under sheriff says
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: he was out on patrol and I did fly to
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Florida and interview his widow and his son. But he
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: said he was out on patrol. He sees this light
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: where a light shouldn't be. He didn't want to approach it,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: but he saw a box sitting next to a tree.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: So he goes to town, gets a posse sheriff to
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: go back with him and is they're approaching this box
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: in the tree. He said, it appears as if the
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: box and the tree vanished underground.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: So and that was from the police. The police was
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: seeing this.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was Bill Waile, the under sheriff. Yeah.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The box thing is really interesting because supposedly the
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Vegas I don't know if you're familiar with the recent
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Vegas alien story, but supposedly there was some kind of box.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know there as well, but it was supposedly
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: like a contamination box, like put there by the military.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: So it makes me think, what are these boxes? What
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: are they really? Are they military technology that they're just
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: like placing around. But then when you combine the bigfoot aspect,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: of this as well, because I've also read that where
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: that you were just mentioning that one of the bigfoots
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: came up close to the box and attempted to pick
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: it up or something and then it just like collapsed
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: and it fell down. So, like, what would be the
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: purpose of these boxes if they're like super harmful to humans?
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Are they like a surveying technology like I don't.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a theory I had interesting. I mean, it's the
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: boxes are interesting because even with Trey Hudson, you know
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: where they caught that big kind of cube on the thermal, Yeah,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: where their investigators disappear and reappear, and that's there's different
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: sizes and shapes and uses. So are some used by extraterrestrials.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know, are some our own back engineered boxes?
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: But one theory I had connecting the sasquatch with the
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: boxes and the ca cattle mutilations and talking with ranchers
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: that I've had mutilations on their properties on the ranches.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: One of my witnesses claim that in the pastures where
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: these mutilations are being done, the cattle are all kind
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: of calmed, almost hypnotized, and huddled together. But in adjoining pastures.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: They're all like freaked out. So are these boxes like
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: emitting some sort of frequency or tone that is calming
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: the cattle in some sort of way, Almost like if
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: you get paralyzed or mesmerized by something. Is that what's
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: happening with these boxes. I don't know if they're ours
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: or something else. They're very strange. I don't know. But
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: there's many different sizes and descriptions of these boxes. So
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: it leads me to believe that perhaps some of them
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: are our own stuff that we're trying to do something with.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: That would makes sense, like a paralyzing type of technology,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: you like super still, or maybe even like calm you
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: down in a way and then they come in and
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: do the count of mulations.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: You've mentioned that several times before, like being paralyzed and
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: seeing shadows. Am I correct? And seeing that?
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. That night of that disembodied voice, my sister,
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: my mom and I go home to our home here
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: and I just I walked into the front door and
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: fell to the floor, got the tunnel vision, my first
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: full blown migraine headache, and I couldn't speak for a while.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: And I just remember my mom and sister what did
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: you eat? What did you eat? And I was trying
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: to say peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and I couldn't
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: full blown migraine that night. And something I just recently
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: pieced together. I'm a co host on UAPA Studies podcast
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: with Jason Gilmett and doctor Michael Lawson, and we had
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: a guest on and they were talking about the Gateway
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: program and I'm like, oh, that's interesting. I'm going to
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: are kind of doing the binarrow beats and follow the
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Gateway program. And it was like, I don't know the
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: third or fourth lesson through that, if you call them lessons,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: they started doing the you know where you relax your
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: arms and legs and they take you through this deep
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: relaxation program, which reminded me of this. This was a
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: program right after that happened to me on the ranch.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: I started these migrant headaches and my mom jack from
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: her work. So the guy she was dating from the
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: ranch tells her about this doctor. His name's Thomas H.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Bendinsky and he is the pioneer of biofeedback. So for
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: a year, every week, at age eleven, I'm eleven years old,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: I'm going into this office in the Denver Tech Center.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: They're hooking my little fingers up to learn how to
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: raise and lower my body temperature. This thing on my
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: head and I was doing the biofeedback program. It was Pioneer,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: which later became the Gateway Program. And this Thomas Bodinski
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: had ties to Area fifty one. So now I'm wondering
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: does this tie into John Duke and the experiments that
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: are going on at the ranch. We know that they
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: were investigating trauma and children in different things, and was
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: this another piece of the puzzle to what was happening
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: at the Rocky Mountain Ranch. I don't know. I'm just
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: making these connections now going holy crud, like why does
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: this guy have ties to Area fifty one? And it's
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: the early Gateway program and I'm involved in that during
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: my ranch years as an eleven year old girl. It's
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: really strange.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: How did your mom get the tape?
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Well, there are three tapes in the set. I actually
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: just found the whole set in the little thing that
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: I remember that on eBay. I want to buy it
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: back because I only have two of my tapes. But
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: I came in a set of three and according to
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: my mom, my mom recently passed just this last July,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: but she was at work. I'm going through all these
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: different medications to get a handle on these severe migraine
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: headaches that I was suffering at the time, and Jack,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: the guy from the Ranch, shows her this article about
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: this guy in the Dever Tech Center just happened to
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: be a building over and so my mom reaches out
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: and puts me in this program. So it came from
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Jack from the Ranch. So is that part of what
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: was going on? I don't know.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: I was just talking to my sister about him, like, so,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: do you find that kind of strange? And she's like, yeah,
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: now that you mention it, you know back But at
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: the time, I'm thinking, I'm just going through to get
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: handle on my migraines. So I don't know.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Gateway program is really interesting. Robert Unroe in
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: the Monroe Institute the HEMI syncing of the brain, which
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: is essentially to combine your subconscious unconsciously un conscious mind
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: altogether on one wavelength.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was doing that at age eleven during
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: the Ranch years. So and maybe that's why this stuff's
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: attached to me more than say, my sister didn't go
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: through that program, So I don't know what that's all about.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: But I can't seem to everywhere I go. It doesn't
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: matter where, certain things happen, and I'm just like kind
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: of I'm just used to it now, you know. So
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: I know the hitchhiker side of this thing is very real.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: And even you know, talking with George Knapp about his
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: book Skinwalker's at the Pentagon and talking to him about,
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: you know, the KNIDS program at Skinwalker Ranch, he said
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: some of these investigators from Knids and stuff would visit
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: the ranch and they lived back east, and these were
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: the guys out there investigating Skinwalker. The hitchhiker effect would
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: attach to their wives that weren't even visiting the Skinwalker Ranch,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: and they were having these shadow beings and different paranormal
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: types of things attached to their wives, And like, how
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: what is that about? That's just weird? How does that happen?
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: And what is that and why?
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the ongoing theory is is that it
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: attaches to you. But then I don't know how long
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: that can last for I guess some people, Well, in
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: your case, it's lasted forever yeah, lasted your entire life.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the criteria would be for that
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: to kind of happen, because some people they believe that,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: like it's has everything to do with the location, and
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: I think sometimes it does. I think sometimes it does
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: have to do with the location, but then other times
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: it has to do with the specific individual.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Now what about this humming sound that has been
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: reported that I believe everyone that was staying at the
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: ranch or living at the ranch was saying that they
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: were experiencing it was like this low type of weird
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: humming sound. It was described as like a beehive. And
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: that also these that the boxes, the box that you've seen,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: did it seem like it was being illuminated from the
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: inside out?
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: It did, Yeah, it did. And it made like a
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: b hume sound that changed tones. And I'll tell you
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: that that hum sometimes will get so loud when we
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: were out there that you couldn't talk over it, that's
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: how loud it would get. They were also hearing when
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: they first purchased the property, like bangs and sounds underground,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: which makes me think we're you know, I don't know,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know if there's tunneling out there. We do
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: know that the Titan missile silos are close by, so
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: what was going on with that, But it's very similar
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: to the Taos hum that they still hear, and in
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: the Snippy the Horse case in the San Luis Valley
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: they also experienced a strange hum and we know there
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: was a lot of military testing and things like that
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: out in the San Luis Valley as well with Mount Blanca.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: So is again is that tied to that? I don't know,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: but that is definitely one of the first things reported
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: out there are these sounds, and even to this day,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: every now and again you can still hear them.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Mutilations like cattle mutilations were there that because from my understanding,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: you guys had cattle out there as well, But one
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: of the first ones was a buffalo I believe.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I you know, we didn't have buffalo out in
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: our location, so you know, that's when I learned about
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: the buffalo Rancho. I was like, oh, that's interesting. There's
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: some interesting things to those cases as well that don't
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: really align with what happened at the Rocky Mountain Ranch.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: But definitely hundreds of heads of cattle, and not just cattle,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: but like the Snippy the Horse Case of sixty seven,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: we had horse out there in Elbert County mutilated as well.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: If you check out Linda Moulton Howe's movie A Strange Harvest,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: I think you can get it on Netflix or YouTube,
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: you can see Bill Waile, the under sheriff, talking about
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: the horse mutilated out there in Elbert County. I believe
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: George and Yarnell, who is the sheriff of Elbert Counties
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: in that film as well. But we're talking you know, horse, sheep,
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: even dog people were afraid they were going to go
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: to humans next. So and the mutilations are still occurring
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: to this day, not to the height that they were,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: but like just like in Investigation Alien with George Knapp,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: where we know Oregon, the state of Organs getting hit
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: pretty hard with mutilations right now. So they are still occurring.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so weird. It seems like that that's a
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: very common thing on like all of the ranchers, is
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: like mutilation of animals. Yeah.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Another thing that was going on at the time
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: were these blacked out mysterious helicopters. Dozens and dozs of
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: dozens of sightings of these and not only were they
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: just flying around mysteriously during the height of these mutilations,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: but they were chasing and menacing kids on ranches and stuff,
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: which you know, if I was a parent of a
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: kid being like terrorized by a helicopter chasing them, I
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: would be furious. And there were newspaper articles written about that.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: That's how I know about that. So at a conference.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: These are just a handful of some of the articles
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: from back in the day. Mysterious metal was found out there,
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: all sorts of crazy things. But I approached Richard Doty,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: who in nineteen seventy seven became a disinformation officer for
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: the United States Air Force. And I was curious if
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Richard Doty knew about the Rocky Mountain Ranch back in
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: the day, because if he did, that would tell me something,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: right if he was aware of it. And he said,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: here's a fun thing that happened with that. I had
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: my cell phone in my hand when I kind of
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: cornered him to ask him questions. In unbeknownst to me,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: it was recording video. So in my hand I have
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: the video of him, and his body language kind of
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: shifts and he kind of pulls in his he was
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: holding some books in his arms, and I think I
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: kind of he felt maybe cornered a little bit. But
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: I wanted to know, like, did you know about the ranch?
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: And he said that he did, so I find that
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: kind of interesting. And then I asked him about these
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: strange marked on marked helicopters and why they're menacing children
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: on ranches and he said, well, it was a diversion.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: I said, a diversion to what And he goes, basically,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: pay attention over here, why we're doing something nefarious over there?
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: And so you know, there's no question that the military
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: was out there and aware. We know that for sure,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: but what was the extent of what they were doing
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: and why? So the question becomes in what's came first,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: the chicken or the egg? Did the mutilation start occurring
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: and military came in trying to figure it figure it out?
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Or were they part of it? I don't know. I'm
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: still fifty to fifty on that and it could be both.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, anything that's strange that happens that people report is
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: always referred back to AFOSI Air Force Officer Special Investigations,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: and that's what Richard Doherty was a part. I've had
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: him on the show before. And it's also interesting how
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Leo Sprinkle is involved in this case because he was
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: also involved with the Paul Bennowitz case as well.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, And it's disinformation against yeah, and the
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Snippy case. And then you tie in the whole you know,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: the Mount Wilson and the Skinwalker and Bob Bigelow owning
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: both properties and that whole thing. That's interesting too, you know,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: so it all sort of ties together, and down downstairs
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: at my house for a while, I had a whole
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: wall that looked like a crime scene, just trying to
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: piece together these players, you know, of the Abary group
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: and stuff, and what their role is and how much
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: of it is disinformation in that And interestingly enough, and
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: something I'd like to kind of mention, is this strange
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: November eleventh, nineteen seventy five, in doctor Leo Sprinkle's files,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: it says two interceptors were scrambled out of Buckley Air
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Force Base which is now Space Force in pursuit of
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: a UFO. There was even a no fly zone put
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: over Kiowa for a while because of the all the
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: activity that was happening. So these interceptors go up, and
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: when I sent the foyer request I get this big,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: large thing back right here. A lot of it's redacted out,
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: but Richard Dodi is the one who told me to
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: request this. And what's interesting about the story of requesting
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: this is I was in Parker, Colorado getting an emissions
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: test from my youngest son's car, and my phone rings
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: and it's the United States Air Force. I'm like, told Tyler,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I think I should get this, you know.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: So I answer the phone and he said he's the
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: head of the foyer and has been for a long time,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: and he questioned me for a good fifteen minutes on
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: what I wanted, why I wanted it. Da da da
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Da da da. I tried to skirt around the UFO
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: kind of subject and all the high strangers. I'm just like,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: I'm doing a history paper on Albert County and you
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: know that kind of thing. Of course, I'm sure he
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: already knew what I was up to, but he basically said,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: he said, if you want anything else from those years
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: from that county in regards to any of this, I
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: don't want you to put in a four request. I
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: want you to call me directly. And I thought, WHOA,
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: what are they hiding. So that was interesting and I
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: and that kind of scared me off, and I haven't
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: sent anymore because I'm like, what the heck? But what's
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: interesting about this moment?
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: I would definitely call all get all of those documents.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And Richard Doty said I should send a foia
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: to the Agricultural Office, which is interesting because Bob Solace
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: mentions that as well. But that November eleventh, nineteen seventy
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: five date where we scrambled the two jets in Elbert County,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: we also were scrambling on that same exact date. The
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: Air Force admits to scrambling to F one oh six
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Delta darts out of Selfridge, Michigan because they're watching numerous
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: UFOs on radar over Falconbridge, Ontario and Canada. They're traveling
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: twenty five to thirty nautical miles over the Great Lakes, Okay,
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: So they scrambled these jets. Many witnesses to these UFOs
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: UAPs scrambles that jet. And then I come to find
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: out that very morning, November eleventh, nineteen seventy five, at
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: twelve o six a m. Is the day that Travis
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Walton is returned from his abduction experience. Then I talked
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: to Travis Walton last year at Contact in the Desert
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: and he says, you know what else happened on this
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: same date is the Edmund Fitzgerald goes down in the
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Great Lakes in twenty nine MENO missing off the Great Lakes.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: So we have four interceptors scrambled by the Air Force,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Travis Walton being returned, and the Edmund Fitzgerald going down,
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: all on the same day.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: That's intense, it is intending. I don't know if any
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: of those coincidence or not, but didn't a few of
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: the scrambled jets from the Air Force end up crashing?
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the two and Ober County crash. And that's what
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: this foya. Of these documents that I have back talk
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: about and the things that I pieced out of that
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: that I found are fascinating. You have to show you
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: this one document here. A lot of the juicy parts
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: are of course blacked out and redacted, but they give
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: multiple causes of the crash. The story is that one
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: was an instructor, one was a student, and that the
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: instructor misidentifies the rotating beacon of another aircraft and as
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: the students and hits his tail, both pilots e jet,
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: Both pilots live. But what's interesting is why this event's
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: going on. It says in this report that eight of
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: the instrumentation on his jet go inoperative. So we've heard
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: that before another UAP close encounters with aircraft that some
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: of the instrumentation panels will go inoperative, and that happened
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: in this incident. And they also had two hundred and
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: eighteen live rounds of ammunition on board, so you know,
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: and also I found interesting if there was another aircraft,
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: they never identified what the other aircraft was in any
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: of the radio transcripts, in any of these documents. It
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: just mentions it the one time as one of the
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: causes of the crash. So it's very mysterious.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Well then that's like, oh, well, why would you scramble
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: a person to intercept this thing? That's that's training, Like, yeah, that's.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: What I thought. Yeah, And they're flying over residential neighborhoods
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: in like Elizabeth with live rounds of AMMO on board,
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: with a you know, somebody who's I don't know, maybe
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: that's normal. I'm not in the Air Force, I don't know,
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: but it's the whole thing is really suspicious, and the
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: fact that we have multiple interceptors going after UAPs on
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: that particular day is really fascinating. And going back to
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: the archives in Laramie, Wyoming, which anybody can go do
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: the University of Wyoming's Heritage Center, doctor Leo has his
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: body of work there in Richard Haynes. He was an
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: investigator that really focused on pilot sightings military, commercial, and
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: his documents are so well organized and they're fast, and
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: his collection is housed there as well. So the last
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: time I was there a couple months ago, I was
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: pulling boxes of the Richard Haynes collection looking at this
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: November eleventh date in particular, and that month September or
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: October into November, they had multiple UAP sightings by commercial
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: and military airlines. So I pulled all of those reports
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: and was doing a deep dive. So this was like
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: a huge wave going on across the country at that time.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's scramble some military Air Force juts to go
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: after this unidentified object. That is, let's get the greenest
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: people we can possibly get to a fly of these
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: things to intercept this aerial unidentified aerial phenomenon. Right, doesn't
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: make any sense. Now, now back to this voice that
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: you heard at the ranch that now everyone heard this
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: voice that was coming through the Now people have said
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: that it was coming through the TV, that it was
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: coming through the radios and stuff, but you have mentioned
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: that it was like it was emitting from the house itself,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Like it sounded like it was coming through the walls.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: I just remember, I mean, you have to remember. I'm
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: a little you know, but I just remember the adults.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: The power still out in the house, so it was
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: dark and flashlights and candles, and it was creepy and scary,
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: and the house was dilapidated, so it was just a
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: creepy place to go anyway. But I can just remember
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: like John and Betty and Jack like trying to like
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: look at the stereo equipment and looking at like the outlet,
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: and they're trying to figure out, like where what just happened.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Like it was just a very chaotic, kind of scary,
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: creepy memory of mine. And then you know, at that point,
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: I don't even remember if the power came back on. Actually,
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm like, what did we do? We just
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: scrambled in the car and drove home. And then I
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: had that episode at the house, but it I just
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: remember it being chaotic and the adults trying to figure out,
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: like looking at the stereo equipment and looking at the
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: TV and looking trying to figure it out. Like you
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: heard that right, you heard that right? And yeah it
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: was it was really, really scary.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: So how long after that point that everyone heard the
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: voices you said that your mom and your sister left.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: How long did everyone stay at the ranch after that?
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Gosh, you know, I don't even know. It might have
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: been a year even because they were there for a
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: good three years, so they might have stayed a whole
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: nother year, and I just know after a while they
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: decided to abandon the property and kind of give up
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: that dream. Now, that could have also part of that
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: could have been the dynamic of John, Betty and Jack,
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: because I know my mom and Jack ended that thing
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: and he ended up getting back with his wife, So
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: that could have been part of the scenario. Like I said,
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: it's an interesting kind of dynamic. And all that was
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: going on in the background. You know, as real life
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: plays out, you have more than what meets the eye
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: going on in the background, and that was certainly the
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: case at Rocky Mountain Ranch. Meanwhile, though, this wasn't just
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: the family, and this is why. Had this case been
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: just based on John Duke's testimony, you know, I would
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: have written it off as just all nuts. But I
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: experienced things, My sister experienced things, and the neighbors basically
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: one hundred to two hundred people on an Excel spreadsheet
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: just in the area all have similar experience. Multiple ranchers,
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: multiple mutilations, multiple paranormal things. So it's not just John Duke,
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: you know. So something's going on there.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: Do you know when your mom and Jack split, Like,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: what was the last activity? Pick up more? Did it
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: get worse? Did it get better after the voice came through?
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know, because after that terrifying night, we didn't
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: go back very often. My sister actually went to the
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: high school prom with the oldest son and they went
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: to the ranch after prom, and still to this day
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: she does not even like to talk about that. So
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: something happened to them out on the ranch, Bobby that
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: terrified her so bad. Like I said, I had a
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: talker into just going back during the day and night
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: to film for Beyond Skinwalker. She did not want to
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: go back, so I you know, other than you know,
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: the circle on the ground, that scary night with a
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: disembodied voice, in the box encounter. Those were the three
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: major things I experienced there at the same time though,
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: and I never connected it to the ranch. At my home,
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: I was experiencing shadow figures and like footsteps upstairs and
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: so much so my friends would tease me that you
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: live in a haunted house kind of thing. So I
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: definitely only had that going on.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: So how many times have you been back to the
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: ranch since you left and since your mom ended things
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: with Jack and you guys moved out. How many times
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: have you been back since?
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been back. The first time we went back
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: was for that first filming of Beyond Skinwalker, So when
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: you see me arriving, that is legitimately the first time
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: going back. And there's so much that did not even
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: make that episode, you know, because with the Skinwalker ranch
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: series and Beyond Skinwalker, they have to tell like a
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: cohesive kind of you know, story line, so it makes sense,
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: so like they don't even mention the boxes or things
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: like that, because when we're going back on that first
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: season and it's snowing and those bipedal footprints show up.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: It's like a blanket of snow. They show up, there's footprints,
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: and then they disappear, and then they show up again
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: and disappear. I was taking them out to where I
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: had the box sighting, So they don't even show that
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: on the show. And then what's interesting that they also
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: didn't show on the series is that next day I
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: had off filming. So my daughter comes to Castle Rock
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: and we go to lunch and we go shopping and stuff,
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: and the back of my shoulder started hurting and I'm like,
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: oh my god, something's going on with my shoulder. So,
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: you know, she looks and I have this huge, it
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: looks like three fingered radiation handprint burn on my back
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: that's blistered, it's hot to the touch. I called the
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: producers right away. I said, I had this injury on
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: my back shoulder that happened last night. And so they
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: film that and they have it all documented and had
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: their medical team look at it. But it's strange. It
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: almost looks like a handprint on my back shoulder, and
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's almost like it was a radiation burn,
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: a severe radiation burn that happened that same night.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's really intense. Did they show that in the
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: in the episode?
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: They did not. They filmed it, But now I can't
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: give I can't give away because of non disclosure. But
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: in season three, the episode that will be coming up
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: in June on the landing site where I experience that
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: big circle, and I can just kind of give a
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: little teaser. But they had a table set up and
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: we were gonna do just a SkyWatch night watch thing,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: and Hillary had put brand new batteries and everybody's microphones
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: to film, and my sister's there. I'm there, you know,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: Andy and Paul and the team, and I'm trying to
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: tough it out, but I'm feeling this enormous like pressure
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: come down on my shoulders. Meanwhile, Hillary's kind of going,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: what's going on? Katie's battery just went from one hundred
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: percent to fifty percent. I just went pale. I couldn't
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: take it anymore. I'm like, I'm sorry, guys, I'm having
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: like this medical episode. And Andy walks me down to
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: the barn to kind of take my blood pressure and
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: have the med team check me out. From that point,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: my battery goes from fifty to nothing, and then they
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: had to med back me out, So I don't know
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: if that'll make this next season. I hope it doesn't.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: Because I was having a medical emergency. Nobody else's batteries
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: were affected. Nobody else had an issue. So I went
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: back to Castle Rock and couldn't finish filming that night.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: It was really intense, So, you know, I am uncomfortable
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: sometimes going back to the ranch, Like talking to John
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: and Standover, who are the ex paranormal rangers. They kind
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: of gave me ways I can kind of put this
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: protection around me. Not that I think it was evil
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: per se. Like I joke kind of joke about the
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: hamprint on my shoulder, saying maybe somebody because I had
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: tripped over the bobbed wire and the snow, so maybe
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: they were just trying to help me up, Like let's
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: help this lady up. I don't know. I don't necessarily
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: feel like it's a bad thing that's around me, but
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: it is something that is affecting me.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you would think that because that's kind of like evidence, right,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Why would they not put the burn mark on your
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: back of a handprint into the show. That doesn't make
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: any sense. I don't know, it's my it's my alien
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: get up, bro, not the Russian one. Russian one's a
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: different day. But yeah, He also says, I think it
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: would make the cut, the three finger burn mark on
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: your back. Yeah, Like I don't understand. But that's the
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: thing about like these TV shows, like they do not
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: like some of the best things that they capture, like right,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: like they do not show in the TV show. It
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: makes zero sense.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like get this. We had David Moorhouse do the
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: biggest remote view in the history of the country season
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: one and beyond Skinwalker, and now you can interview yeah. Yeah,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: and if you go back, you can see this little
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: clip that they made. They just turned it into a
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: seven minute bonus clip because he ended up they had
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: seventy remote viewers from several different countries, thousands of data
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: points on it. I mean, it was an incredible project,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: and he spent so much time and work and effort
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: to do this project, and then they cut it all
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: together out of the show and just do the seven
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: minute bonus because they didn't know what to do with it.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: They didn't know how to take all that data and
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: put it into this episode and tie it into the
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: rest of the episode. And even when I you know,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: get on the radio, the Ham radio, and I'm like, hey,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: do you remember me and my sister and the boys,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: And the equipment goes off and responds, which was amazing.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: What they don't show is that that I repeated that
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: three times after that, and I thought, well that they
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: should have put that in the show. And then while
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: that's going on, we're getting transmissions like an EVP transmissions
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: saying we're back that came through. And then also they
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: were talking about the Vietnam War and I'm like, why
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: are we hearing about the Vietnam War on this radio?
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: And they didn't put that in the episode either. And
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: I find out later through Travis Taylor, in the old
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: part of the house where they have the equipment like
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: this crystal radio, they're getting like clicks and pops, like
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: almost a Morse codes sound that they didn't put in
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: the episode. So it's interesting how they decide what's going
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: to go and what doesn't, because some of the like
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: things that blew my mind, like what's going on here
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: didn't even make it in there.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so unfortunate. You're not the first person that
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: has told me this David moorehouse that you just mentioned
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: it has been on the show several times. It told
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: me this exact same thing other people on other shows, Like,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: and I don't know what that is. You would think
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: that you would want to put the most of like
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: tantalizing evidence or things that happen in the show, because
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: that makes good entertainment. Like I don't understand why you
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: want to make it so dull, and like maybe it's.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: Much for the average person, Like maybe they would be
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: like if we put all this and people will be like,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: this has to be just like fake or whatever. And
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: you know, and I people have asked that to me,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: like do you think like they fake anything? And I'm like,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, if I ever found that out,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: I'd be the first person angry about it because it's
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: affected my whole life, you know what I'm saying from
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: what my experience is, I don't see how they could
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: do something like that or pull anything.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Like that off.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: But who knows. We've been tricked before, so I don't know.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, I got one last question for you, and then
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: we're going to wrap up with what you're going to
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: talk about. Contact in the desert this year.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: One of the things that people have had complaints about
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: with this story is the lack of evidence. Why is
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: there no pictures? Why did no one? But that's the
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: thing that everyone always says, you know, like, oh, he says,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: all this stuff happened. Why didn't you take any pictures?
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: Why didn't you go out there with your with a
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: video camera and document all this stuff that's going on.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: They don't realize how in the moment you actually are.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: But I just want to bring that to your attention
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: and get your Why is there really no evidence? Why
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: isn't there any samples of any of this stuff? Why
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: isn't there any photos taken of this?
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, were you out there?
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: You were like there for a year and a half
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: or two years or whatever. Why is there are such
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: a lock of evidence? And why is it all stories?
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: Right? I mean, I see and I have to blurw
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: up faces. I do have photographs, let me blur it.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: I do have photographs. But here's the thing of the
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: ranch and stuff and things like that. But we're protecting
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: the three younger sons that don't want anything to do
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: with this, so I have to protect the last name. Still,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: I'm at least comfortable, at least now sharing Jack John
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: and Betty because they're all deceased and my mom's now
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: gone so well the adults who are gone. And there's
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: multiple photographs and things like of the strange metal and
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: mutilation photos and stuff in these articles that are compelling,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: and it is frustrating in the reports like this one
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: right now, or wait, here's that cattle? And in some
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: of the interviews I've done, they'll pull out photographs of
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: the mutilations and cattle. So we do have photographs of that.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: But as far as like the you know, they claim
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: in the report that they had bigfoot hair or sasquatch
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: hair and they took it to the lab have tested
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: and it came back, you know, a species unknown. Where's
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: that report? I don't know. I don't have it. Where's
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: the recordings they said they had the recordings of the
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: hums and sounds? Where are those? Where did they go?
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: Is it just a matter of them being lost through
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: time and they abandon it or was it all part
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: of this mk ultra military John Duke was Did it
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: all go back to the to the military. I don't know,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: but some of it we do have, you know, documents
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: on and photographs of and others we don't, and it
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: is frustrating. Like that meta material. There's a picture of
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: it in the paper and it looks very unusual, and
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: it states in that article that it was given to
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: somebody for testing gone nobody knows where it is. How frustrating?
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: Is that?
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: Pretty convenient?
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: Pretty pretty convenient?
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: I know it.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: But as far as cases go, I do feel like
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: this case, at least through doctor Leo Sprinkle and John
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: durs PhD still alive and Peter van Arsdale's still alive.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: He you know of any believes are earthquake lights, which
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: may be a small portion, but it certainly doesn't explain
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: the whole body of things that were going on at
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: the time. But they have a lot of documents and
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: the case was well document compared to some other cases.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: So there is that. And now looking at the original
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: you mentioned what I'll be talking about it contact in
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: the desert, this original Snippy the horse case and going
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: back and seeing the aprofiles. So David Marler, who has
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: the National UFO Historical Record Center out in real Ranch
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: in Nevada or not Nevada, New Mexico. Sorry, anybody can
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: make go to his website make an appointment to visit
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: because he has original project blue book NCAP kufos and
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: now the app profiles a whole wall, so you could
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: spend a whole week and diging through these reports yourself.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: But the Snippy the Horse case we reinvestigating. We're working
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: with the King family. Carrie King's aunt Nelly is the
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: one who owns Snippy the Horse and there's photographs never
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: seen before and documents never seen before. But what's really
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: been crazy for me and going deep into the Snippy
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: the Horse case, which I'll be sharing at Contact, is
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: all the connections to the Rocky Mountain ranches, from the
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: hums to the boxes, to these lights flying on and
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: off the property. There was actually a witness to the
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: Snippy's you know, abduction. I guess you'd call it an
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: abduction mutilation. Just so many connections that just parallel that
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: we were unaware of until just recently. So what is that?
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: You know? It's yeah, super fascinating. I am looking forward
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: to listening and watching your presentation at Contact in the
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: Desert And thanks so much for coming on. Really appreciate
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: your time this evening, And can you let people know
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: where they can look at more of your work or
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: anywhere that you would like to direct them to a
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: YouTube channel, website or anything.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can check out Rocky Mountain Ranch Research with
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: Katie Page on YouTube, and I have a channel there
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: where I do, you know, take you along on my
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: investigations where I talk to the millers and go out
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: to the ranch and one of the old ranchers out there, Carl,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: he has cattle up here in Woodland Park, Colorado, and
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: for three consecutive fourth of July so he's had a mutilation.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: So I kind of take you on site there. You
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: can also go to Katie Page which is p A
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: I G E dot net, or you can go to
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: Rockymountain Ranchresearch dot org and reach me there.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Katie. Really appreciate it. And it's
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: amazing that you've come out and talked about this and
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: you weren't afraid and you weren't scared and that happened
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: so long ago, and yeah, really appreciate that. And our
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: good friend Trey Hudson vouches for you. And I definitely
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: trust Trey a lot. He's been on quite a few
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: times and I met him at UFO Mega Con. Really
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: solid individuals. So I put you in that camp as
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: well a good friend.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a good friend and we just want answers.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: We want to figure this out, like you know, most
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: of us out there, like what's going on here and
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: whatever it takes.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: So yeah, well, thank you very much. Thanks everyone in
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