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131. Bessie Coleman - First Black Aviatrix · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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Speaker 1: Hello, delicious friends, and welcome to Hooded What Now? The
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Speaker 1: history podcast That's Not Your History Class? With mayor host
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Speaker 1: Katie Charlewood, History Harlott and reader of books. I recently
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Speaker 1: got asked why I don't read spicy books, like why
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Speaker 1: do I not do like smutty audiobooks? And the real
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Speaker 1: answer to that is, no one has ever asked me,
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Speaker 1: like I have not been.
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Speaker 2: Approached to do that.
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Speaker 1: And it's getting clearer and clearer that I really really
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Speaker 1: need representation, like I really do, because I am I
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Speaker 1: am burning the candle at both ends, and I'm doing
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Speaker 1: administration and I'm doing like producing and writing and creating,
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Speaker 1: and I just need another person, right, I need an agent,
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Speaker 1: an agent out there to like do my negotiating and
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Speaker 1: all that for me would be amazing because in the
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Speaker 1: last month, I have communicated with two two separate TV networks.
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Speaker 2: One in the UK one in the US.
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Speaker 1: I have well, I've got ips that are out being
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Speaker 1: sourced to something a whole thing. I've got a book
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Speaker 1: that I'm writing and I'm actually not allowed to watch
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Speaker 1: White Lotus or The Christie's Towards Zero until I finish
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Speaker 1: all my drafts. Like that's a self imposed like punishment
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Speaker 1: what less, It's more like reward and recognition. But I
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Speaker 1: I was like, great, email them crickets as per usual,
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Speaker 1: like every time a contact an agency and I hear
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Speaker 1: not I'm back, and I'm like, right, okay, I just
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Speaker 1: what is the one appealing?
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it probably doesn't help that I'm more popular
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Speaker 1: like in America than i am in Europe. Although this
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Speaker 1: week I've had everyone in their granny being like, come
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Speaker 1: to Italy, come to Paris, come to Berlin, and I'm like, ah,
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Speaker 1: it's I need an agent or a tour manager or
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Speaker 1: something to organize that for me and to do my
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Speaker 1: PR and all that stuff.
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Speaker 2: That'd be amazing.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's been a whole situation really, and it's
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Speaker 1: it's kind of been wearing me down. Speaking of tours,
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Speaker 1: I'm on tour this year. I've only got one Dublin
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Speaker 1: date this year, So if you want to see me
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Speaker 1: in Ireland, I have one Dublin date and it's coming
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Speaker 1: up and it's the only show I'm doing in this country,
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Speaker 1: just for one hundred and one reason. So there's a
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Speaker 1: London date that's going to be announced like later in
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Speaker 1: the year as well, but that needs to all get
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Speaker 1: locked in currently. I'm gonna be in Boston, I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: be in Albany, Syracuse, Toronto. I forgot that Toronto was
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Speaker 1: called there for a moment, and I was like, my
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Speaker 1: brain was going Ottawa, and I'm like, that's not right.
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Speaker 1: But people be like, come to Ottawa. And I was
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Speaker 1: looking at fringe festivals which are happening.
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Speaker 2: All over the world, and.
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Speaker 1: I was like, I could apply to some fringe festivals.
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Speaker 1: That's something I could do. That's a reasonable request for
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Speaker 1: a human And so I was thinking about it. I
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Speaker 1: was thinking about it, you know, as one does. Oh
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Speaker 1: maybe maybe, maybe maybe.
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Speaker 2: But anyway, I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, Kerdie,
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Speaker 2: quit your jibber.
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Speaker 1: Jabber in fact me, in fact you I will. But
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Speaker 1: first we've got to get our source on. Our sources
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Speaker 1: are Queen Bess dar Devil aviator by Doris Rich, Bessie
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Speaker 1: Coleman by Kerry Lee Alexander, women aviators from Amelia Earhart
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Speaker 1: to Sally Ride, Making History in Air and Space by
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Speaker 1: Bernard Mark.
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Speaker 2: Besi.
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Speaker 1: Goman Aviator by Ronnie Morales, Bessie Goleman, Pioneer, Chicago Aviator
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Speaker 1: by Anne Darkin Keating Black Wings by William J. Powell,
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Speaker 1: The National Aviation Hall of Fame, Blue Skies, Black Wings,
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Speaker 1: African American Pioneers of Aviation by Samuel L.
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Speaker 2: Broadnax.
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Speaker 1: And of course we have our old favorites Biography dot
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Speaker 1: com and History dot com. Now iosiden comfortably good, then
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Speaker 1: let's began. Oh right, Actually, before I actually do get
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Speaker 1: into anything, I had somebody contact me about that saying
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Speaker 1: that phrase iosiden comfortably good, then let's begin, because another
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Speaker 1: creator had used it like he's English and he was
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Speaker 1: doing like posh bedtime stories for posh children or whatever
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Speaker 1: it was, and they thought that he had stolen it
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Speaker 1: from me, which is not the case.
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Speaker 2: For those of you who.
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Speaker 1: Don't know what that's from, that used to be a
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Speaker 1: sort of opening line from an old TV show, a
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Speaker 1: children's TV show from the nineteen fifties called Watch with Mother.
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Speaker 1: It was something my mom used to watch as a kid,
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Speaker 1: and we watched an old TV show like Top one
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Speaker 1: hundred Kids Television programs or something along those lines, and
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Speaker 1: in it was watched with mother, and my mom got
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Speaker 1: like really nostalgic, and she was talking about how she
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Speaker 1: used to watch it when she was little. It was
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Speaker 1: all like black and white and everyone and it was
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Speaker 1: really cute. And so I was like, oh, that's interesting,
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Speaker 1: and it just kind of stuck in my head.
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Speaker 2: And so, yeah, that's where that from. It's not mine.
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Speaker 1: I didn't create it, so it's fair getting. But I
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Speaker 1: appreciate the people who are like looking out for me
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Speaker 1: and stuff. You all are sweet. Anyhow, it is Black
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Speaker 1: History and month, and history, as we know is a
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Speaker 1: general rule, tends to be depressing, and so I wanted
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Speaker 1: to end Black History Month talking about something positive, which
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Speaker 1: is why last week was the Tuskegee Syphila Study and
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Speaker 1: this week is about an awesome, fantastic, amazing woman, Like
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Speaker 1: most women are just astounding, and I wanted to talk
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Speaker 1: about someone brilliant, and I was going to chat with
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Speaker 1: somebody else, but I was inspired by a friend, and
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Speaker 1: so I dug deep and thought, you know what, let's
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Speaker 1: talk about the first African American and Native American female pilot,
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Speaker 1: Bessie Coleman. I just I just love her so much
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Speaker 1: because she really takes no shit. So, Bessie Coleman, she
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Speaker 1: was born, as many women are in the past, she
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Speaker 1: was born on January twenty sixth, eighteen ninety three. Now
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Speaker 1: I have seen some sources say it was the year before,
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Speaker 1: but the majority go with eighteen ninety three, and that's
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Speaker 1: what we're sticking with. So she was born in Atlanta, Texas,
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Speaker 1: to Susan Coleman, who was African American, and to George Coleman,
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Speaker 1: who was part African American, part Native American. So his
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Speaker 1: grandparents were either Cherokee or Choctaw, but most historians do
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Speaker 1: agree that George was of Cherokee descent. Bessie was one
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Speaker 1: of thirteen children. Let's just let that sink in for
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Speaker 1: a second.
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Speaker 2: Thirteen.
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Speaker 1: Susan there gave buth at least thirteen times. Hey, I'm sorry,
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Speaker 1: but that's a lot. That's a lot of work and effort.
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Speaker 1: That's spending quite a lot of your life being pregnant.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, so she has twelve siblings, Like, how does
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Speaker 1: her mum keep track of all the names? Because that
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Speaker 1: my mum has at one point called me not only
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Speaker 1: both of my brother's names, but some of my cousins,
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Speaker 1: my aunties, and at one point the family dog.
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Speaker 2: And there's not that many of us. I mean there's
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Speaker 2: a few, but.
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Speaker 1: There's not that many.
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Speaker 2: So having thirteen.
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Speaker 1: Kids, like all right, this is why I'm not surprised
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Speaker 1: that in Bigetan they like alphabetize them, like that's a
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Speaker 1: better way keeping track, I guess, But yeah, that's that's
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Speaker 1: a lot. Bessie's family were sharecroppers, which was really common
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Speaker 1: in this time period now, not to be confused with
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Speaker 1: tenant farming. Sharecroppers would work the Latin like for the landowner,
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Speaker 1: and at the end of the season, they would give
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Speaker 1: them a share of the crops, which the landowner could
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Speaker 1: then do whatever he wanted with as opposed to paying
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Speaker 1: rent for the land.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, sharecrobbles.
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Speaker 1: And so when she's just a toddler, the upsticks and
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Speaker 1: moved to Waxahatchie. It's taken me three goes to say Waxahachie.
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Speaker 1: And I'm not even entirely sure I'm saying it correctly.
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Speaker 1: It's about thirty miles or so, like south of Dallas.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, Betty's a toddler. They've moved to Waxahachie, and
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Speaker 1: they are picking cotton, and on top of that, they're
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Speaker 1: also doing laundry, so they're washing clothes. That's how they're
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Speaker 1: getting by. But times are tough, and in nineteen hundred,
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Speaker 1: George Coleman he leaves Texas for Oklahoma, which at this
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Speaker 1: point in time, in the early nineteen hundreds was still
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Speaker 1: referred to as Indian Territory. Because see, there are many
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Speaker 1: layers of racism in this bigotry terror Massou because you've
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Speaker 1: got African American, you've got Native American, you get Asian,
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Speaker 1: and they hate them all and not even equally. There
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Speaker 1: seems to be like a hierarchy of hate because as
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Speaker 1: bad as it was to be a black person in
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Speaker 1: the South, Native Americans also did not have a great
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Speaker 1: time of it. And that's to put it mildly like
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Speaker 1: Texas at the time wasn't super into that, and with
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Speaker 1: George Coleman being mixed race probably didn't do him any fables.
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Speaker 1: So he's off to Oklahoma while Bessie and her mum
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Speaker 1: and the other twelve siblings they stay behind. So they're
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Speaker 1: continuing to do sharecropping. They're working picking cotton in the fields,
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Speaker 1: they're doing the laundry, work. They are just scrimping to
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Speaker 1: get by. But Bessie, oh, she has dreams because she
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Speaker 1: just looks up in the sky in the field and
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Speaker 1: she's just like, I want to be above here.
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Speaker 2: I want to sore right. And Bessie even.
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Speaker 1: Said I was black, I was female, and I wanted
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Speaker 1: to fly. We used to pick cotton in Texas, and
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Speaker 1: I'd look up and think, if we're going to better ourselves,
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Speaker 1: we've got to get above these cotton fields. And see, Bessie,
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Speaker 1: she is living through this period of revolution, especially when
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Speaker 1: it comes to transport, because when she's ten years old,
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Speaker 1: the Right Brothers.
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Speaker 2: Fly a plane.
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Speaker 1: They have sustained flight, right, because it's all very well
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Speaker 1: to like go up in the air and come back
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Speaker 1: down again. They have a sustained powered flight.
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Speaker 2: And this is a big deal.
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Speaker 1: I mean, granted, the Right Brothers did steal the right
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Speaker 1: idea from somebody else, but that is neither here nor there.
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Speaker 2: They're the reason.
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Speaker 1: It's in the papers, it's everywhere, and everyone's like, wow,
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Speaker 1: this is amazing. And Bessie Coleman is just astounded by this,
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Speaker 1: and like she is bitten with this aviation bug and.
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Speaker 2: Like she's obsessed, like She'll.
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Speaker 1: Consume anything she can about like piloting and flying and aviation,
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Speaker 1: so much so that there's this like library, traveling library
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Speaker 1: that goes around and so her mom takes her and
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Speaker 1: all her siblings out to the traveling library, and she
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Speaker 1: is just like devouring anything and everything she can to
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Speaker 1: do with flight, in flying and aviation. Now I should
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Speaker 1: mention actually that she was in school at this point.
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Speaker 1: She was an elementary school. She started at age six,
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Speaker 1: I think.
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Speaker 2: And so she's there in a.
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Speaker 1: Segregated one room school that she had to walk four
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Speaker 1: miles every day just to get to. And she loved reading,
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Speaker 1: and she was really good at maths like mathematique, say, fantastic,
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Speaker 1: like not jealous at all. My math skills are not
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Speaker 1: They're not optimum, which is why whenever I do an
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Speaker 1: escape from I try and ensure that my escape partner
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Speaker 1: has some very good mathematics, because I am not great
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Speaker 1: at anything past general mental arithmetic.
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Speaker 2: That being said, I'm pretty good at algebra for some reason.
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Speaker 1: Just to reiterate, Bessie Coleman is one smart cookie, like
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Speaker 1: so much so that she gets a scholarship to the
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Speaker 1: Missionary Baptist Church school at twelve years old now of
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Speaker 1: course because she's sharecropping, because her family are sharecropping, That school, church,
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Speaker 1: and everything in between is like put on hold, like
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Speaker 1: during harvest, because she has to go and deal with that,
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Speaker 1: and yet still does so well. So after this, when
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Speaker 1: she's like eighteen, she takes her savings and she goes
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Speaker 1: to the Oklahoma.
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Speaker 2: Colored Agriculture and Normal University.
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Speaker 1: In Langston, which is now just called Langston University. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: Bessy's only able to attend one semester before dropping out
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Speaker 1: because her money's run out, and in nineteen fifteen she
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Speaker 1: ends up joining the Great Migration. So the Great Migration,
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Speaker 1: which is like sometimes known as the Black Migration, was
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Speaker 1: when about six million African Americans moved. They just moved
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Speaker 1: out of the South and headed to well anywhere else really,
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Speaker 1: so the Northeast, the Midwest, the West, basically anywhere that
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Speaker 1: didn't have Jim Crow laws because the Jim Crow laws
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Speaker 1: are being upheld in the South and they were hush,
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Speaker 1: so you had voterus suppression, you had lynchings, and these
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Speaker 1: were continuing like anything that would keep the boot on
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Speaker 1: the neck of black people's and so they were heading
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Speaker 1: up and heading out and they were moving to places
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Speaker 1: a lot of urban areas, so they were mainly in
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Speaker 1: sort of the rural South, and they were going to
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Speaker 1: these urban areas into these big cities. They're heading to
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Speaker 1: San Francisco, La, Philadelphia, Cleveland, Washington, DC, Chicago, and New York, ceter.
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Speaker 2: I can't help myself. I'm so sorry.
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Speaker 1: And yet it's nineteen fifteen and twenty three year old
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Speaker 1: Bessie Coleman. She joins the Great Migration and she ends
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Speaker 1: up moving in with her older brother in Chicago. In Chicago,
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Speaker 1: Bessie attends the Burnham School of Beauty Culture and then
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Speaker 1: gets a job as a manicurist. And Bessie gets a
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Speaker 1: job at the White Sox barber shop. Like the White
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Speaker 1: Sox are a Chicago baseball team, or they were a
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Speaker 1: Chicago baseball team.
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Speaker 2: Are the White Sox still around?
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure, because I don't know in sports. I
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Speaker 1: know nothing about baseball unless it's something to do with
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Speaker 1: a league of their own. It's the only thing I
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Speaker 1: know and anything I've watched or listened to in crime
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Speaker 1: of sports, No, that's wrong, crime in sports, which is
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Speaker 1: even better if you know nothing about sports. So what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying but yeah, Bessie Coleman.
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Speaker 2: She gets a job in the White Sox barber shop.
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Speaker 1: Which at the time was owned by the club's trainer,
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Speaker 1: and she does such a good job, like she is
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Speaker 1: just exceptional. I think Bessie Coleman is just exceptional in
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Speaker 1: everything she does, like she's just amazing. So she wins
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Speaker 1: a contest the very next year, so in nineteen sixteen,
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Speaker 1: and she wins the title of Black Chicago's Best Manicurist.
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Speaker 1: So while she's working in this barbershop, she hears all
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Speaker 1: these stories about pilots returning from the First World War,
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Speaker 1: and so she gets away a bit spiled and decides
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Speaker 1: to take a second job at a Chili's in order
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Speaker 1: to save money to get her pilot's license, because she's like,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it, because of course she is. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: one year after the war ends, things things get a
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Speaker 1: bit tough. So you've got the Great Migration which has happened.
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Speaker 1: So you've got this surplus and people have just moved
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Speaker 1: into these cities, and as we know, with any influx
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Speaker 1: of people, there are many issues. You've got housing, you've
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Speaker 1: got transport and everything that goes around with it, and
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Speaker 1: you've also got people returning from war, which has its
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Speaker 1: own special barrel of issues. And all of these tensions
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Speaker 1: build up in Chicago until one day there's a young
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Speaker 1: boy on a raft on a lake, and you've got
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Speaker 1: all these tensions that are just sort of bobbling under
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Speaker 1: the surface, just like straining against the pressure. And then
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Speaker 1: one in nineteen nineteen, a black boy is on a
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Speaker 1: raft on Lake Michigan, and he's just chilling out on
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Speaker 1: this raft, just living his life, and some white folks
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Speaker 1: decide that there was gonna throw stones at him and
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Speaker 1: rocks and other debris, and so they stone him until
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Speaker 1: he falls off of the raft and then drowns in
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Speaker 1: the lake. Now this is the trigger of this event,
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Speaker 1: and so this leads to the Chicago Race Riot.
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Speaker 2: And the entire city just erupts in this war like
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Speaker 2: you've got.
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Speaker 1: And I didn't want to call it a war because
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Speaker 1: it's like a fucking massacre, right, And so for four days,
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Speaker 1: four full days, white people are just annihilating black people.
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Speaker 1: They are destroying lives and livelihoods.
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Speaker 2: All over the city.
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Speaker 1: And when the National Guard finally sought the place out,
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Speaker 1: thirty eight people were dead. Five hundred and thirty seven
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Speaker 1: were injured, and over one thousand people were left homeless,
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Speaker 1: most if not all, of which were black. And all
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Speaker 1: of this just seems to make Bessie Coleman more determined
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Speaker 1: to fly, because, like her brothers, they come back from
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Speaker 1: the First World War and they were regaling there were
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Speaker 1: all these stories and so their buddies and they basically
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Speaker 1: say that because of her skin color in Genitalia, like
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Speaker 1: she's just never gonna fly, like it's a pipe dream.
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Speaker 1: Because it's nineteen nineteen and no flight school in the
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Speaker 1: entire country and the entirety of the USA, none of
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Speaker 1: them allowed women or black people, something that became incredibly
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Speaker 1: apparent to Bessie when she got rejection after rejection from
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Speaker 1: flight school after flight school, because you make it one
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Speaker 1: aviation institute that would allow a.
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Speaker 2: Black man to fly like Emory C.
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Speaker 1: Malick, right, or you might have one that would allow
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Speaker 1: a white woman, an American white woman, to fly. But
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Speaker 1: they just weren't opening their.
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Speaker 2: Doors for Bessie.
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Speaker 1: And so Bessie thought, fuck this for a game of soldiers.
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Speaker 1: She was gonna fly. And after encouragement from Robert s. Abbott,
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Speaker 1: the founder and publisher of the Chicago Defender newspaper. She
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Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to France.
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Speaker 2: See Abbot.
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Speaker 1: He publicizes Bessie's flight plight like in The Defender, and
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Speaker 1: so she ends up getting funding for this endeavor from
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Speaker 1: the Defender itself and oh so the banker Binga. Bessie
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Speaker 1: makes the smart decision to actually learn French before moving
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Speaker 1: to France because she thinks that might be handy, and
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Speaker 1: so she goes to the Berlitz Language Schools in Chicago
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Speaker 1: and she takes a French language course and she gets
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Speaker 1: herself up to speed because she wants to go to
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Speaker 1: learn to fly in France. Because see French women, they've
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Speaker 1: been flying since what eighteen eighty nine at this point,
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Speaker 1: they're in the Bonos And in nineteen oh nine, which
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Speaker 1: is what ten years before this, the Baroness Ramond de
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Speaker 1: la Roche became the first female pilot, right, so they're
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Speaker 1: out there already doing it. They had female pilots in
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Speaker 1: World War One, like they were out doing it, and
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Speaker 1: so she's like, off I go. Bessie Go travels to
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Speaker 1: France on the twentieth of November nineteen twenty to earn
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Speaker 1: her pilot's license. She manages to convince the French plane
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Speaker 1: designers Gaston and Renee Caudron to teach her at their
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Speaker 1: Lecordi Bierdage Cardron oh Cordoy, So like allegedly, she just
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Speaker 1: pestls them until they allow her to join, because she's like,
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Speaker 1: I've got my money, I've got my funding, I've got
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Speaker 1: my savings, I've got my frances.
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Speaker 2: Let me fly, you know. And this is where like
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Speaker 2: her famous.
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Speaker 1: Quote comes from, which is every no takes me closer
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Speaker 1: to it. Yes, now, flight school wasn't exactly a walk
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Speaker 1: in the park. Bessie had to walk nine miles to
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Speaker 1: flight school every day for ten months, where she learned
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Speaker 1: to fly in a NEWBOL five six four by plane
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Speaker 1: with and I quote a steering system that consisted of
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Speaker 1: a vertical stick the thickness of a baseball bat in
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Speaker 1: front of the pilot and a rudder bar under the
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Speaker 1: pilot's feet, which no VNS guys sounds absolutely terrifying. So
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Speaker 1: for ten months sheel learns like tailspins, banking and like
23:23
Speaker 1: lopped lips, like the whole shebang and flying at this point,
23:28
Speaker 1: right dangerous ass fuck like this has only been happening
23:35
Speaker 1: for what not even twenty years? Like flying has not
23:39
Speaker 1: been a thing for two fill decades, and needless to say,
23:44
Speaker 1: safety regulations not really not really the up and up.
23:48
Speaker 2: At this point.
23:50
Speaker 1: On top of that as well, like they're doing all
23:53
Speaker 1: of these complicated like flying scenarios. I mean, even with
23:58
Speaker 1: all the technology and all of the information we have
24:01
Speaker 1: now and all of the extra safety precautions, it's still
24:05
Speaker 1: dangerous to do, you know, single stunt flying. So at
24:12
Speaker 1: this point as well, one little mistake, like one teeny
24:16
Speaker 1: tiny mistake could cause death, Like it could kill you.
24:24
Speaker 1: And that's only if like that's a human error situation
24:28
Speaker 1: and not the plane failing, which which can happen because
24:33
Speaker 1: you know, baseball bat steering.
24:36
Speaker 2: And a foot rudder.
24:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Bessie would have seen people die like your friends,
24:47
Speaker 1: your acquaintances, like your fellow students. She would have watched
24:51
Speaker 1: them just like perish from accidents from probably some showboating point.
25:00
Speaker 1: Somebody definitely passed out from, like passed out, passed on
25:05
Speaker 1: from some like showboating.
25:08
Speaker 2: And so she.
25:10
Speaker 1: Just must have had balls of fucking steel, Like could
25:16
Speaker 1: you imagine doing all that in a biplane?
25:21
Speaker 2: I suppose growing up in the Jim Crow.
25:23
Speaker 1: South kind of removes fear from you, like Jim Crow South,
25:30
Speaker 1: like race riots, Like after living through those events, you're
25:34
Speaker 1: either gonna be like super duper careful or you're just gonna,
25:38
Speaker 1: you know, be the bravest person ever. And so, after
25:43
Speaker 1: ten months of intensive training, Bessie Coleman earned her pilot's
25:49
Speaker 1: license from the Fiederalation el Nautique Internationale on the fifteenth
25:54
Speaker 1: of June nineteen twenty one. This made Bessie Coleman the
26:02
Speaker 1: very first black and Native American female aviator in the world.
26:10
Speaker 2: And this is like an.
26:11
Speaker 1: Even greater achievement when you think about like the context,
26:16
Speaker 1: because back home, like two weeks earlier in the US,
26:21
Speaker 1: the Tulsa Race massacre happened, and there isn't even a number,
26:27
Speaker 1: Like there is no number officially of how many lives
26:31
Speaker 1: were destroyed.
26:32
Speaker 2: In the Tulsa Race massacre. Like you can call it
26:35
Speaker 2: the Tulsa Race riots.
26:36
Speaker 1: All you want was a fucking massacre. Greenwood, black Wall
26:40
Speaker 1: Street destroyed. Because jealousy is a vicious creature. And like,
26:51
Speaker 1: here's Bessie Coleman in France. She's earning her international aviation
26:56
Speaker 1: license from the Federation Ero Nautique Internationale, the first American
27:02
Speaker 1: of any race or gender actually to be awarded these
27:06
Speaker 1: credentials directly from the Federation Aeronautic Internationale, like typically you
27:13
Speaker 1: would have to apply for the National Aeronautic Association. But yeah,
27:19
Speaker 1: she does that, so she gets her license, and she
27:23
Speaker 1: spends like another two months like learning these extra skills
27:29
Speaker 1: and extra techniques from like these French pilots, and in
27:34
Speaker 1: September nineteen twenty one, she sales home.
27:36
Speaker 2: For America because like.
27:40
Speaker 1: She sales back home to the US, and when she arrives,
27:44
Speaker 1: like that jealousy that I mentioned earlier, like it's seeping
27:47
Speaker 1: into the media because very few, if any white media
27:53
Speaker 1: newspaper publications, radio like are that interested in her. Like
27:59
Speaker 1: blacks from all over the country are like, so enter her.
28:08
Speaker 1: And then you've got things like aerial Age Weekly, which
28:11
Speaker 1: says Miss Bessie Coleman, a colored girl of Chicago, twenty
28:15
Speaker 1: four years old who had been studying aviation in France
28:18
Speaker 1: for ten months, arrived in New York recently on the
28:20
Speaker 1: American liner Manchuria. She brought her credentials from the French
28:23
Speaker 1: certifying that she had qualified as an aviatrix. Miss Kelman,
28:27
Speaker 1: who was having a special Newport Scout playing built for
28:29
Speaker 1: horand France said yesterday that she intended to make flats
28:32
Speaker 1: in this country as an inspiration for people of always
28:35
Speaker 1: to take up aviation. Now, all this media attention again,
28:41
Speaker 1: unfortunately and yet unsurprisingly didn't help her find work. Right,
28:50
Speaker 1: So America, they're just like black pilots doing.
28:55
Speaker 2: Stuff over here. No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
28:57
Speaker 2: no thanks.
28:58
Speaker 1: And so she ain't upsealing back to Europe. She goes
29:06
Speaker 1: back and she ends up training with none other than
29:09
Speaker 1: Anthony Foker.
29:13
Speaker 2: Like this dude is oh, how did I put it?
29:17
Speaker 1: Like he's known for aircraft designs, like innovative aircraft designs,
29:23
Speaker 1: and that includes things like synchronization gear, which is the
29:29
Speaker 1: part that allows fighter aircraft to like fire through the
29:32
Speaker 1: propeller without you know, shooting bullets into the propeller. And
29:38
Speaker 1: so his aircraft manufacturing company built everything from like regional
29:43
Speaker 1: airliners to the bombers of the war right until like
29:49
Speaker 1: the sixties when it went bankrupt. And so she ends
29:54
Speaker 1: up staying there, going for a bit more work and
29:57
Speaker 1: returns back to the US of the And she has
30:03
Speaker 1: learned all over these like stunt pilot moves, and she
30:09
Speaker 1: she's like got these extra credentials from the Aero Club
30:12
Speaker 1: of France and Europe was like, hey, chick out this
30:16
Speaker 1: chick in so America's like, ah, fine, okay.
30:21
Speaker 2: So this is when sort of.
30:23
Speaker 1: The American news, like the white news takes notice and
30:28
Speaker 1: she's getting attention from like the New York Times, the
30:30
Speaker 1: Chicago Tribune, and Bessie lived up to the hype. She's
30:36
Speaker 1: using these like aviation skills. She learned to do these
30:39
Speaker 1: like amazing stunts at all these shows. She's doing loops,
30:44
Speaker 1: rolls and spins and wing walking again terrifying. I won't
30:50
Speaker 1: jump out of a plane for nobody. I'm sorry, no,
30:54
Speaker 1: Like you know when people jump out of planes for charity,
30:58
Speaker 1: they're like, I'm gonna do this for whatever, And I'm like, one,
31:02
Speaker 1: you're attached to a person, so you are safer than
31:05
Speaker 1: if you were jumping out in your own. Like, I
31:07
Speaker 1: don't get it unless you're like terrified of heights, and
31:13
Speaker 1: this is like an incredibly difficult thing to do because
31:15
Speaker 1: of that, Like I don't get it, like anyway, but yeah, personally,
31:20
Speaker 1: I'm not jumping out of a plan for anybody, let
31:22
Speaker 1: alone like wing walking and shit, that is scary, like
31:26
Speaker 1: I don't like heights at the best of times, which
31:29
Speaker 1: is why I like to date shorty people.
31:31
Speaker 2: I'm kidding.
31:33
Speaker 1: Sorry, Back to Bessie, the important part of this. So
31:37
Speaker 1: she is astounding crowds wherever she goes, and it doesn't
31:42
Speaker 1: take long for her to become this heroine because here
31:47
Speaker 1: you've got this black and Native American women doing what
31:51
Speaker 1: all these white people said could not be done. And
31:54
Speaker 1: she's like, I don't know if she's petty, but I
31:58
Speaker 1: would be like I love the e of her just
32:00
Speaker 1: being like three thousand feet in the air, like huh huh,
32:04
Speaker 1: soaring above your cotton fields.
32:06
Speaker 2: Bitch, you know what I mean.
32:08
Speaker 1: So she ends up being known as Queen Bess, and
32:12
Speaker 1: she becomes this massive draw for all these events.
32:16
Speaker 2: So Queen Bess's first.
32:19
Speaker 1: Appearance was at an American air show in nineteen twenty two.
32:23
Speaker 1: It was an event honoring veterans of the all black
32:26
Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty ninth Infantry Regiment of the First
32:29
Speaker 1: World War. So it was on Long Island in New York.
32:34
Speaker 1: I forgot how to pronounce Long Island there for a second.
32:38
Speaker 1: My brain was trying to translate it into French. Sorry,
32:42
Speaker 1: and so this was sponsored by the Chicago Defender newspaper,
32:48
Speaker 1: and she's billed as the world's greatest woman flyer, and
32:52
Speaker 1: so it's got her and eight other American pilots doing
32:57
Speaker 1: all these aerial displays. In about six weeks later, she
33:00
Speaker 1: goes to Chicago performs in another air show to order
33:04
Speaker 1: the first World Wars three hundred and seventieth Infantry Regiment,
33:09
Speaker 1: and she does all of these like mad tricks. She's
33:13
Speaker 1: doing like figure eights, she's doing near ground dips, she's
33:18
Speaker 1: doing all this stuff. Now I said so before like
33:23
Speaker 1: in these other ones, like she does later, she's walking
33:26
Speaker 1: on the wings and doing.
33:27
Speaker 2: All this like wild world stuff.
33:32
Speaker 1: So nineteen twenty three, she ends up getting her own plane.
33:39
Speaker 1: She gets a Jenny a Curtis GN four, which is
33:44
Speaker 1: a military surplus aircraft.
33:49
Speaker 2: And so very fourth. Like she's supposed to do this air.
33:53
Speaker 1: Show in la and she takes off in Santa Monica
33:57
Speaker 1: and the motor stalls like three hundred feet in the air,
34:04
Speaker 1: and so it crashes and she ends up with a
34:07
Speaker 1: broken leg and she's got broken ribs, and so like
34:13
Speaker 1: she's she's down, and she tells doctors to patch her
34:18
Speaker 1: up enough so that she can go perform, and they're like, honey, no,
34:24
Speaker 1: you're not fit to be in the air right now.
34:27
Speaker 1: Several parts of you are broken and non functioning.
34:32
Speaker 2: So yeah, she doesn't. She doesn't have the aircraft for.
34:34
Speaker 1: Too long before that happens. So she's like resting up
34:39
Speaker 1: for a couple months, just long enough for her bones
34:41
Speaker 1: to heal and for her to get back up in
34:44
Speaker 1: the air again. And so she's invited like all over
34:48
Speaker 1: the country, right, and she's supposed to be doing these
34:52
Speaker 1: air shows, but she gets wind at this airshow she's
34:55
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing is segregated, right, So this time,
35:00
Speaker 1: still in the USA, segregation is still going on, so
35:03
Speaker 1: like there's a separate entrance for black people and white people,
35:07
Speaker 1: Like it's a whole thing. Different fountains, they can't sit
35:10
Speaker 1: at the counter and diners, I mean black people have
35:15
Speaker 1: to sit in.
35:15
Speaker 2: The back of the bus. You know, it's a whole thing, right,
35:18
Speaker 2: And so.
35:20
Speaker 1: I say this as if you're listening to a history
35:22
Speaker 1: podcast and don't know what segregation is. But Bessie is
35:26
Speaker 1: just not for it, and so she refuses to fly
35:33
Speaker 1: unless the event is desegregated. Like she's just not doing it.
35:37
Speaker 1: She's like, either fly for everybody or a fly for nobody,
35:40
Speaker 1: Like figure it out, buddy. And obviously they don't want
35:44
Speaker 1: to lose money because everyone has paid to come and
35:46
Speaker 1: see this super cool woman do your super cool stunts,
35:50
Speaker 1: and so naturally they just have to let it happen.
35:55
Speaker 1: This is this whole thing of like using your celebrity
35:59
Speaker 1: like as leverage for power in these kind of situations.
36:03
Speaker 1: Like Josephine Baker, Right, so when she's doing her shows
36:06
Speaker 1: in the US, she refused to perform in any sort
36:10
Speaker 1: of segregated business or any business that would not allow
36:14
Speaker 1: black people through the front door, because she's like, nope,
36:17
Speaker 1: not doing it. And this is what I'm talking about, Like,
36:21
Speaker 1: this is the same thing she's doing. She's like, well,
36:22
Speaker 1: I'm not going to perform for you if you know,
36:25
Speaker 1: I can't perform for everybody equally. Right. Meanwhile, she is
36:30
Speaker 1: saving up to establish a flight school specifically for African
36:35
Speaker 1: American women, right, Well, that's she didn't want gender or
36:40
Speaker 1: race to be a barrier for you know, someone's aviation dreams.
36:44
Speaker 1: She doesn't want everybody to have to fuck off to
36:46
Speaker 1: France in order to learn to fly. So like because
36:50
Speaker 1: she was in Paris, she was in France. She was
36:53
Speaker 1: then in the Netherlands, which is where she met Falker.
36:56
Speaker 1: Like she was in Germany for a bit, Like she
36:58
Speaker 1: did that to get her skills to where they need.
37:01
Speaker 2: It to be, you know.
37:03
Speaker 1: And then she's just like oh treated so chittterly and
37:11
Speaker 1: like oh, you've got these these reporters like they're just
37:16
Speaker 1: so unhappy with her stunt flying, Like this is so funny,
37:22
Speaker 1: this is absolutely golden. She's a stunt flyer, right, so
37:24
Speaker 1: she's a stunt pilot, and these white reporters, they they
37:32
Speaker 1: criticize her opportunistic nature and flamboyant style.
37:39
Speaker 2: As a stunt pilot.
37:41
Speaker 1: Like how deep seated does your like bigotry have to
37:46
Speaker 1: be that you're just grasping at straws to complain about
37:50
Speaker 1: how good she's just.
37:52
Speaker 2: Too good at her job.
37:53
Speaker 1: This sucks, Like how is that your complaint? But yeah,
37:58
Speaker 1: she is doing all these air shows. She's refusing to
38:02
Speaker 1: like fly for segregated audiences, and she's saving up to
38:07
Speaker 1: start her own African American flight school, Like she's got
38:11
Speaker 1: a plan, and like she is like getting such recognition
38:18
Speaker 1: that you've got politicians recognizing her. So like the governor
38:22
Speaker 1: of Ohio, the mayor of like the city of Columbus,
38:25
Speaker 1: like all these guys are like go Queen Bess.
38:29
Speaker 2: And so she's doing these.
38:30
Speaker 1: Air shows like all over the country like proper, and
38:34
Speaker 1: she actually starts doing them in the South. So her
38:39
Speaker 1: first Southern show is in Houston, Texas.
38:42
Speaker 2: On June teenth. That is not that is not.
38:48
Speaker 1: Like a coincidence, right, Like that's that's a deliberate choice.
38:53
Speaker 1: So the nineteenth of June nineteen twenty five is like
38:58
Speaker 1: she does her first Southern show, and like she even
39:01
Speaker 1: goes to wax A Hatche and she goes around like
39:06
Speaker 1: trying to get people to like back this flight school
39:10
Speaker 1: of hers, this planets, and she is quoted as saying
39:16
Speaker 1: that she wanted to make Uncle Tom's cabin into a
39:20
Speaker 1: flying hangar. So at this point, Bessie Coleman, Queen Bess,
39:34
Speaker 1: she is getting some well deserved recognition, and she gets
39:39
Speaker 1: an offer through her media contacts to star in a
39:43
Speaker 1: feature length moving picture, but upon discovering that it had
39:50
Speaker 1: some derogatory African American stereotypes, she just rejects, like she
39:58
Speaker 1: walks out, like initially she was hoping this is good publicity,
40:01
Speaker 1: you know, I'll be able to get more funding and
40:03
Speaker 1: backing from my flight school. Like it meant that, you know,
40:07
Speaker 1: she would be like a really big name for people
40:10
Speaker 1: to rally behind. But she just wasn't going to perpetuate
40:17
Speaker 1: this like shitty stereotype. Like she wasn't going to do it,
40:22
Speaker 1: and so she like.
40:25
Speaker 2: Walks off.
40:27
Speaker 1: And she really thought this was going to be like
40:30
Speaker 1: the turning point. She thought she could use the publicity
40:32
Speaker 1: from this to get people to rally behind her to
40:35
Speaker 1: get more funding for her flight school. Like she thought
40:38
Speaker 1: it was gonna cover all these bases, you know, But
40:42
Speaker 1: like she doesn't want to perpetuate these harmful stereotypes. She
40:45
Speaker 1: doesn't want to do it. She's like worked.
40:49
Speaker 2: Too hard for this, you know.
40:51
Speaker 1: And she's clearly an activist, like we know this already,
40:56
Speaker 1: and so she could have earned some good money, she
40:59
Speaker 1: could have got a little blissity from it, but she
41:02
Speaker 1: walks away on a matter of principle, and fucking good
41:05
Speaker 1: for her, right, I Mean it's one of those things
41:10
Speaker 1: where it's like do you do the thing that's going
41:13
Speaker 1: to boost your career even if you're like ethically or
41:16
Speaker 1: morally opposed to it, And seeing as she has both
41:21
Speaker 1: ethics and morals, she says, no, not going to.
41:24
Speaker 2: Do that, and so she walks off.
41:27
Speaker 1: So between doing events and getting donations from fans, she
41:31
Speaker 1: finally makes the last payment on another Jenny. Right, she
41:36
Speaker 1: gets another Jenny aircraft, and she's invited to do a
41:40
Speaker 1: performance at the annual celebration of the Negro Welfare League
41:43
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, Florida. And that's on the thirtieth of April
41:47
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty six. Like she was hoping to make enough
41:52
Speaker 1: money from this show and doing speaking engagements that she's
41:55
Speaker 1: going to be able to like finally finally open her
41:59
Speaker 1: flight school. And so her mechanic and manager, William D.
42:07
Speaker 1: Wills of the Curtis Southwestern Airplane and Motor Company, he
42:12
Speaker 1: is flying our plane from the Dallas love Field like
42:15
Speaker 1: heading towards Jacksonville, but the plane is in such bad
42:21
Speaker 1: condition he has to make two emergency landings, like on
42:28
Speaker 1: the way because of engine troubles. Because this plane, like
42:33
Speaker 1: it's a pick and a poke, you know what I mean,
42:34
Speaker 1: It's not great. And after what happened last time with
42:37
Speaker 1: the Jenny, I would not be looking for another one,
42:41
Speaker 1: to be honest, like I don't trust this plane. Specifically,
42:45
Speaker 1: I don't trust anything called Jenny. I don't like it, right, sorry, Actually,
42:51
Speaker 1: William D Wills he was her mechanic and publicity agent,
42:56
Speaker 1: not manager, but like come SEEKIMSA. So so like this
43:02
Speaker 1: is a second hand plane, right, it is poorly maintained. Right,
43:06
Speaker 1: it hasn't been and hasn't been looked after very well.
43:09
Speaker 1: And because of these like emergency landings, like Bessie's family
43:18
Speaker 1: and friends are like, maybe maybe you shouldn't fly it,
43:22
Speaker 1: Like allegedly Abbot of the Defender he was like, don't
43:26
Speaker 1: get in that plane because that is dodgy as fuck.
43:31
Speaker 2: So she's like, it's fine, I know what I'm doing.
43:35
Speaker 1: And like the engines, which are typically in good condition,
43:39
Speaker 1: were only doing like two thirds of what.
43:41
Speaker 2: They were supposed to be doing.
43:44
Speaker 1: And so yeah, so they're prepping the stunt.
43:49
Speaker 2: So William D.
43:49
Speaker 1: Wills he's flying the plane and Bessie she's in like
43:55
Speaker 1: the other seat because she's supposed to be doing like
43:58
Speaker 1: a parachute jump from the plane, and so she's like unharnessed,
44:02
Speaker 1: so she doesn't have her seapet on because she's like
44:04
Speaker 1: looking at the terrain trying to figure out like where's
44:07
Speaker 1: the best place to do this jump? You know, just
44:10
Speaker 1: doing her safety precautions and assessing the situation, a situation
44:15
Speaker 1: I could say words shut up. So ten minutes in
44:21
Speaker 1: if that, the fucking Jenny like suddenly goes into this
44:28
Speaker 1: dive at about three thousand feet above the ground and
44:33
Speaker 1: then spins. So it does a dive and then a spin.
44:38
Speaker 1: And because again she's unharnessed, Bessie Coleman was thrown from
44:44
Speaker 1: the plane at two thousand feet and killed instantly when
44:50
Speaker 1: she hits the ground.
44:52
Speaker 2: Like William d. Wills, like he is like he's done
44:57
Speaker 2: a spin.
44:58
Speaker 1: Right, He's going down and he cannot get control back
45:01
Speaker 1: of the plane and so he ends up crashing into
45:05
Speaker 1: the ground and he dies on impact. The plane explodes
45:10
Speaker 1: in bursts into flames, and like even though most of
45:14
Speaker 1: the plane was well destroyed in the explosion, slash, engulfment
45:19
Speaker 1: of flames, like a wrench, was it a span of
45:23
Speaker 1: wrench a wrench that was used to like service the
45:27
Speaker 1: engine had like got jammed in the controls and so
45:32
Speaker 1: that's what caused this freak accident to happen. And so yeah,
45:37
Speaker 1: on the thirtieth of April nineteen twenty six, Bessie Coleman
45:44
Speaker 1: passed away at thirty four years old.
45:48
Speaker 2: So here's the thing.
45:50
Speaker 1: Even in death, like she couldn't avoid racism, like black
45:56
Speaker 1: owned media, black owned newspapers, like they were reporting her death,
46:00
Speaker 1: but a lot of you know, mainstream white media, they
46:05
Speaker 1: were focused on William D Wells. Oh yeah, he was white,
46:10
Speaker 1: by the way, did I I forget to mention that?
46:13
Speaker 1: So yeah, her white mechanic. They're like, oh no, what
46:16
Speaker 1: a tragedy. And they're like, oh yeah, and like she'ded it.
46:20
Speaker 2: You know.
46:22
Speaker 1: A funeral service was held for her in Florida, but
46:26
Speaker 1: her body was returned to Chicago, where more ceremonies were held.
46:31
Speaker 1: And so at the funeral ceremony in Chicago, over ten
46:34
Speaker 1: thousand people were in attendance. She had twenty two pallbears,
46:39
Speaker 1: and Ida B Wells led the ceremonies.
46:43
Speaker 2: Like this is astounding.
46:47
Speaker 1: Now, Bessie may have passed away far too young without
46:51
Speaker 1: ever managing to like put her dream into reality of
46:54
Speaker 1: her flight skill, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
47:00
Speaker 1: Because in nineteen twenty nine, Lieutenant William J. Pill established
47:05
Speaker 1: the Bessie Colemon Aero Club in Los Angeles and the
47:10
Speaker 1: Aero Club. It brought opportunities to black people, including including
47:15
Speaker 1: some who would become Tuskegee airmen. Right, like she went
47:21
Speaker 1: on to inspire like Janet Bragg, Macy Jameson, like the
47:27
Speaker 1: woman Air Force Service pilots, and just like so many more,
47:33
Speaker 1: Like she was a pioneer in so many ways. And
47:38
Speaker 1: I don't know she gets talked about or celebrated enough,
47:42
Speaker 1: like globally, you know, because this is a female pioneer,
47:48
Speaker 1: and we talk about like amiliar Earhart, who still you know,
47:52
Speaker 1: did some pretty cool stuff, but like she was flying
47:56
Speaker 1: before Ameliar Airhart was, and yet we're not like showing
48:04
Speaker 1: her like the proper recognition she deserves because she was
48:07
Speaker 1: just fucking awesome and a badass woman from history. But
48:12
Speaker 1: so ends our story and our last tale from Black
48:17
Speaker 1: History Month of Bessie Coleman, Queen Bess the Aviatrix. If
48:25
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48:34
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Speaker 1: I'm on tour, get your tickets, I guess and now
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Speaker 1: it's time for recommendations. Yes, yes, recommendations.
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Speaker 2: It is recommendation time.
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Speaker 1: So for watching, I'm gonna recommend Abbot Elementary. It's it's
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Speaker 1: just good television. I don't know what else to tell you.
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Speaker 1: It is pure gold. I just I feel very relaxed
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Speaker 1: watching it. It's just good TV. For listening. Honestly, I
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Speaker 1: feel like, if you aren't listening to Kendrick Lamar, what.
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Speaker 2: Are you doing? I feel like we should be though,
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Speaker 2: you know.
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Speaker 1: And for reading, ooh, decisions, decisions, so many choices.
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Speaker 2: You know what. I'm a mystery fan, you know me.
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Speaker 1: I love a cozy mystery, and so I'm gonna recommend
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Speaker 1: a Deadly Inside Skip by Abby collect. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: listening to this week's episode, and I look forward to
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Speaker 1: chatting to you again.
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Speaker 2: And next time it'll be.
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Speaker 1: Women's History Month because it's March. Maybe I'll throw in
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Speaker 1: some Irish history in there. You don't know what I'll do.
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Speaker 1: Maybe I'll surprise you, but yeah, look forward to telling
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Speaker 1: you more history, and so I shall bet you good night.
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Speaker 1: Adios au Revoir of whim My Friends, Bye bye