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S65E6 Levels of confidence · Walk the Pod: 10 minute walking

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Walk the Pod, your daily walking
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  Speaker 1: show where I take my podcast for a You're very
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  Speaker 1: welcome along. This is episode 6, series 65 of the
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  Speaker 1: Daily Walking Podcast that tempts you away from your desk
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  Speaker 1: at lunchtime to walk in nature for just 10 minutes.
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  Speaker 1: This series we're talking about confidence and today a voice
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  Speaker 1: note from supreme cross-border selector Nige in northern Spain talking
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  Speaker 1: about how there are levels to confidence and my response
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  Speaker 1: borrowed from Anna Devere Smith's wonderful book Letters to a
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  Speaker 1: Young Artist and What we can do when we're at
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  Speaker 1: one of the lower levels of confidence. Welcome to Walk
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  Speaker 1: the Pod.
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  Speaker 2: Morning, Rach. Nige here. Sending a voice note, record note.
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  Speaker 2: What's it called?
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  Speaker 1: Voice note?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, recorded voice note, I suppose. Walk and report. from
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  Speaker 2: uh spain because i'm walking my two dogs here on
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  Speaker 2: a slightly murky gray sunday morning thank you for the
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  Speaker 2: first week of the new series on confidence very good
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  Speaker 2: i hope you enjoyed the i have confidence in me
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  Speaker 2: song by maria the mountains um yeah and i was
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  Speaker 2: thinking two things to offer as as you refer to
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  Speaker 2: me as cross-border selector i'm currently in spain and trying
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  Speaker 2: to do some djing uh that i could talk about
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  Speaker 2: confidence as it relates to foreign language spanish and djing
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  Speaker 2: really so And I wonder whether you would address and
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  Speaker 2: talk about confidence in terms of levels. So both of
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  Speaker 2: these two things, I think about the sort of beginning
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  Speaker 2: level when you start a foreign language. I remember when
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  Speaker 2: our kids and me, but when our kids first came
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  Speaker 2: out to Spain and there was a confidence thing about
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  Speaker 2: whether they could manage to say they wanted an orange Fanta,
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  Speaker 2: which is much harder than asking for a lemon Fanta.
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  Speaker 2: So they were trying to say Fanta Naranja to a
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  Speaker 2: waiter and which you need quite a lot of confidence
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  Speaker 2: as a kid particularly even as an adult to have
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  Speaker 2: a go at rather than fanta limon which they would
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  Speaker 2: generally fall back on and i remember trying to get
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  Speaker 2: to the point when i'd be confident to ask for
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  Speaker 2: la cuenta for the bill you know and it's just
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  Speaker 2: interesting isn't it when you've got a you know what
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  Speaker 2: you're trying to say but you're not confident about how
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  Speaker 2: it's going to come out and that's very much kind
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  Speaker 2: of level one and then for years i was on
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  Speaker 2: a sort of holiday level of spanish so being able
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  Speaker 2: to ask for beers and coffee is fine certain phrases
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  Speaker 2: were you know very confident in but But then, you know,
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  Speaker 2: trying to go into any other more complicated conversation was
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  Speaker 2: always harder. And then as you go up the levels,
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  Speaker 2: and I remember being able to cope with going to
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  Speaker 2: a DIY shop, a bit like a home base, and
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  Speaker 2: ask for different types of wood, timber that I needed
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  Speaker 2: to buy for a project in the garden. I think
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  Speaker 2: it was around lockdown. But that was quite an interesting
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  Speaker 2: level up in confidence. Whereas I'm still not at the
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  Speaker 2: level of really being comfortable to have phone calls in Spanish.
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  Speaker 2: That's very difficult. Um, and things like that. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think there's definitely a levels thing as confidence grows.
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  Speaker 2: You always talk about that to me, confidence growing and yeah, DJing.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I could call out such specific levels,
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  Speaker 2: but it's definitely a similar concept for me. Um, um,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm at a level now where I'm trying to decide,
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  Speaker 2: do I have the confidence for certain types of gigs,
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  Speaker 2: certain types of approaches of venues, um, So it's an
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  Speaker 2: interesting kind of bit at the moment, whereas I definitely
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  Speaker 2: got confident with a certain level of things I've been
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  Speaker 2: doing in the UK recently, all the previous gigs in Spain.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, interesting, interesting navigating the levels and growing in confidence,
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  Speaker 2: you know? Okay, thanks a lot. See you, bye.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Nige. Very interesting thoughts there, taking us off
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  Speaker 1: in new directions, which I really appreciate. Confidence has levels, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: good examples there and I certainly recognize that different levels
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  Speaker 1: of confidence with different things and I wanted to bring
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  Speaker 1: you Anna Deavere Smith's thoughts on confidence because in her
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  Speaker 1: book Letters to a Young Artist which I think is
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  Speaker 1: based on Raina Maria Rilke to a young artist. Rilke
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  Speaker 1: wrote real letters to a real young artist. I think
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  Speaker 1: Anna Deavere Smith is sort of combining people who've asked
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  Speaker 1: her questions over the years and responding to them in
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  Speaker 1: her letters. And one of the letters is called Confidence.
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  Speaker 1: And in it, she says, you asked me, meaning all
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  Speaker 1: of the young artists she's ever spoken to, how to
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  Speaker 1: build confidence, how to work on confidence. And at the
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  Speaker 1: time when she's responding to these questions, real or imagined,
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  Speaker 1: she's in Gooding in Idaho, going to rodeos with Brent Williams,
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  Speaker 1: who is a bull rider. And she brings some thoughts
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  Speaker 1: from the bull rider on confidence, which is quite interesting.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm going to read you this letter and hopefully
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  Speaker 1: it'll be helpful. The goal of a bull rider is
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  Speaker 1: to stay on a bucking bull for eight seconds. He's
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  Speaker 1: then evaluated by how well he rode. He needs a
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  Speaker 1: good animal for that. By good, I mean not an
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  Speaker 1: easy animal, but one that gives a rough ride. The
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  Speaker 1: bull rider is evaluated on the roughness of the ride
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  Speaker 1: and how he deals with it. I like the way
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  Speaker 1: Brent talks about confidence choosing to determine, sorry, choosing to
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  Speaker 1: value determination over confidence. I agree with him. Confidence is
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  Speaker 1: a static state. Determination is active. Determination allows for doubt
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  Speaker 1: and for humility, both of which are critical in the
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  Speaker 1: world today. There's so much we don't know and so
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  Speaker 1: much we don't know we don't know. To be overly
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  Speaker 1: confident or without doubt seems silly to me. Determination, on
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  Speaker 1: the other hand, is the commitment to win, a commitment
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  Speaker 1: to fight the good fight. The bull rider says confidence
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  Speaker 1: is a big part of it, but I think I
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  Speaker 1: ride more off of determination than confidence. Confidence is you've
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  Speaker 1: been on the bull before and you know you're going
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  Speaker 1: to ride him. Just turning the page, potties, hang on.
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  Speaker 1: There we go. Confidence is kind of like maybe being
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  Speaker 1: cocky about it, but in a good way. If you
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  Speaker 1: ride with determination, forget the form, get the horn. Tuff
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  Speaker 1: Hedeman said that. He's in the movie Eight Seconds. And
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  Speaker 1: you know he was the world champion like three times,
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  Speaker 1: because he didn't ride with style, he rode with determination.
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  Speaker 1: Just hang on till the whistle blows. No matter if
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  Speaker 1: you're riding upside down, determination. Like Pat, my wife's uncle.
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  Speaker 1: He always said, man, you got the most try than
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  Speaker 1: any kid I've ever seen. Try and determination is the
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  Speaker 1: same thing. And you know, like there've been loads of times,
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  Speaker 1: there's loads of bull riders, they safety up. And me,
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  Speaker 1: I've never safetied up in my whole life. And a
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  Speaker 1: lot of times, it may get me stepped on or something.
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  Speaker 1: You're just going to ride till your head hits the
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  Speaker 1: back of the dirt. And Anna Deavis Smith concludes, the
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  Speaker 1: point is you may not need confidence which comes with
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  Speaker 1: time as much as you need your personal determination to
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  Speaker 1: hang in there no matter what. So there we go.
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  Speaker 1: If you find yourself at a low level of confidence
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  Speaker 1: with something right now, just remember it's not like there's
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  Speaker 1: nothing you can do about it because you haven't gained
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  Speaker 1: enough experience to have more confidence. It's more like Let's
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  Speaker 1: just shift into the mindset that we're going to be
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  Speaker 1: determined and we are determined to stay in the fight
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  Speaker 1: no matter how difficult it is. And confidence will come later.
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  Speaker 1: What can I see directly in front of me? It's
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  Speaker 1: been a very stormy few days in the UK. Storm
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  Speaker 1: Austin has been battering us. And the woods are damp,
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  Speaker 1: full of multicoloured leaf litter, leaves that are yellow and
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  Speaker 1: red and orange. And I was at a talk over
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  Speaker 1: the weekend at the allotments by a tree surgeon who
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  Speaker 1: was talking to us about what exactly is going on
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  Speaker 1: with the trees right now. therefore when to prune your
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  Speaker 1: fruit trees and he was saying right now as the
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  Speaker 1: autumn is setting in the trees are sucking all of
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  Speaker 1: the green to store energy in their branches and that
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  Speaker 1: leaves the leaves their actual real colors which are red
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  Speaker 1: and yellow and orange and then many of the leaves
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  Speaker 1: also fall off but the point is the tree is
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  Speaker 1: holding on to all the energy in the green chlorophyll
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  Speaker 1: in the leaves and new leaves that grow in the
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  Speaker 1: spring so the trees are in a period of kind
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  Speaker 1: of inhaling all of the energy right now and so
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  Speaker 1: we don't want to prune our trees when they need
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  Speaker 1: it they need the energy we don't want to chop
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  Speaker 1: branches off when they're trying to store energy in those
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  Speaker 1: branches so we don't cut very much off our fruit
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  Speaker 1: trees and we do it in the depths of winter
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  Speaker 1: when they're definitely not actively trying to do anything with
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  Speaker 1: their energy but in the spring. Really interesting. Not stuff
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  Speaker 1: I can see directly in front of me but the
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  Speaker 1: the leaf litter sort of reminded me of this this
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  Speaker 1: talk I attended over the weekend which was really really
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  Speaker 1: interesting and great to have an in-person opportunity to learn
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  Speaker 1: something at the allotments. What else can I see? Well
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  Speaker 1: it's just kind of damp but the air temperature is
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  Speaker 1: not super low yet. We've got sort of 10 degrees
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  Speaker 1: Celsius kind of feeling air at the moment, which is
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  Speaker 1: absolutely manageable. A few extra layers and you're completely sorted.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why October is a lovely month to go
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  Speaker 1: for winter, sorry, autumn walks in the parks. Taking all
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  Speaker 1: the autumn colour and not freeze one's extremities off. just
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  Speaker 1: walking past a sculpture that's appeared in the woods. Somebody
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  Speaker 1: has been working hard on turning a tree stump into
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  Speaker 1: a sculpture. It's got two forks and a little squirrel
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  Speaker 1: or something carved on top of it. And it's possible,
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  Speaker 1: of course, that one person has created the main sculpture
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  Speaker 1: and somebody else has created the squirrel.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe multiple people are working on this sculpture at the
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  Speaker 1: same time. I don't know. It's a beautiful day, actually.
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  Speaker 1: I know I have a sort of classic beautiful day.
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  Speaker 1: It's the most beautiful day in the world when the
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  Speaker 1: sun's shining and it's gorgeous, but actually this is a
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  Speaker 1: beautiful day in a different, damp way. There's no sunshine
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  Speaker 1: streaming through the leaves, but there is just a feeling
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  Speaker 1: of coziness by being in a big coat and a
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  Speaker 1: hat and a big cozy jumper in an autumn wood
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  Speaker 1: which is not A beautiful day. And you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean. It's been lovely talking to you today, poddies.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your thoughts. Thank you so much, Nige,
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  Speaker 1: for your voice note on confidence. If you want to
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  Speaker 1: send me your thoughts on confidence, you can do that
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  Speaker 1: by going to walkthepod.com. There's lots and lots of things there. Everything.
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  Speaker 1: The whole Walk the Pod cinematic universe is represented at walkthepod.com.
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  Speaker 1: But the button you want to press is leave a
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  Speaker 1: voice note for Walk the Pod. And then Speakpipe will
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  Speaker 1: give you 90 seconds to record something. and send it
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  Speaker 1: to me and I can send you a message straight
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  Speaker 1: back and I can put it into the show tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: So we've got all of the rest of this week
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  Speaker 1: to bring new angles on confidence, cover as much as
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  Speaker 1: we can before we start wrapping up what we've learned.
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  Speaker 1: The series go very quickly don't they? Nearly at the
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  Speaker 1: end already. Or at least we've passed the halfway point.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure how that's happened.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Take care of your beautiful mind, dear friends. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: for walking with me. It's lovely to have you along
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  Speaker 1: with me for my walk. And I look forward to
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  Speaker 1: bringing you episode 7 of series 65, which will be
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  Speaker 1: with you around the same time tomorrow.