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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 4-30-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: He's the Sean O'Connell Show, brought you by Big Willies
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  Speaker 1: on Utah's number one sports talk and home of the Utes,
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  Speaker 2: All right, happy first day, everybody. Welcome to the Sean
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  Speaker 2: O'Connell Show on ESPN seven hundred and NINETYM. I'm very
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  Speaker 2: happy to be with you on a heartbreaking, heartbroken morning.
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  Speaker 2: Oh what a double overtime game we saw last night
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  Speaker 2: in the Stanley Cup playoffs. Unfortunately, the result is not
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  Speaker 2: what any of us here in Salt Lake City we're
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  Speaker 2: hoping for. The Utah Mammoth trailing four, excuse me, leading
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  Speaker 2: for three late, gave up the equalizer, uh and you know, Vegas,
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  Speaker 2: with an empty net behind him, pulls the Goalieue gets
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  Speaker 2: the extra man on the attack, the one timer causes
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  Speaker 2: maybe an overslide from Veggie, the rebound gets put away,
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  Speaker 2: forcing overtime. And then in double lot on a shorthanded
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  Speaker 2: situation for the Vegas Knights, they get they get the
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  Speaker 2: goal that they need to win it in sudden death,
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  Speaker 2: double overtime. So all that extra effort, all that extra
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  Speaker 2: hockey for not as the Utah Mammoth now trail three
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  Speaker 2: to two seventy nine of the time in the NHL Playoffs,
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  Speaker 2: the team that wins Game five goes on to win
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  Speaker 2: the series. So you got a one in five chance.
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  Speaker 2: Now according to the previous numbers. Friday nights at the
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  Speaker 2: Delta Center, it'll either be the last playoff game of
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  Speaker 2: the year for the Mammoth or they will extend themselves
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  Speaker 2: another opportunity in a return game Sunday down in Vegas. Painful, brutal,
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  Speaker 2: agonizing to watch it all go down, but an incredibly
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  Speaker 2: fun game. And it's been an unbelievable series. This is, though,
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  Speaker 2: what we're talking about when we mention players on the
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  Speaker 2: Utah Mammoth have a lot of playoff experience. The team
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  Speaker 2: together does not have playoff experience. The mistakes that you
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  Speaker 2: are making and you are seeing, and some of them
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  Speaker 2: are incredibly costly, are being made as a unit for
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  Speaker 2: the first time, made together by the first time the
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  Speaker 2: communication errors on a late shift change with Coach Behar.
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  Speaker 2: That's something that maybe you've experienced skating with four other
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  Speaker 2: guys and with a different coach yelling at you, but
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  Speaker 2: it's the first time that the Utah Mammoth have crossed
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  Speaker 2: these bridges together. And these are the little nuances. These
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  Speaker 2: are the little things that it's really hard to pin down.
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  Speaker 2: And in sports radio you hear a lot of cliches.
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  Speaker 2: Even on television, you'll hear people talking about, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you got to learn how to win, You
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  Speaker 2: got to learn how to finish, you got to learn
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  Speaker 2: how to close out these games. All of these little things,
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  Speaker 2: all these little mistakes that you're seeing the Mammoth make
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  Speaker 2: and hopefully learn from. That's what people are talking about.
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  Speaker 2: That's what we are talking about when we say, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: maybe not this year, but next year, you'll know. That's
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  Speaker 2: why experience is valuable. You've been in this situation before.
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  Speaker 2: You know that the next time you won't send that
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  Speaker 2: shift change late, or if you do, you won't all
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  Speaker 2: rush to the puck.
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  Speaker 3: You want to all crowd the one side.
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  Speaker 2: And leave a liability out there with two men playing
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  Speaker 2: a little pass back and forth, and it just look
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  Speaker 2: it's tough.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to be all.
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  Speaker 2: Doom and gloom because the way how this series has
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  Speaker 2: been so unpredictable, I could very easily see a situation
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  Speaker 2: where the Mammoth come out and absolutely smash it on
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  Speaker 2: Friday night, whin five two, four, one, four, three doesn't
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  Speaker 2: really matter, and then you've got a Game seven in
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  Speaker 2: Vegas lost. I lost a little a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: excitement and a little bit of hope last night just
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  Speaker 2: because of the overwhelming odds now in favor of the
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  Speaker 2: Game five winner. But stranger things have happened than bucking
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  Speaker 2: a trend. Obviously, you had a couple of situations last
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  Speaker 2: night where just mishandled pucks killed you.
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  Speaker 3: Miscommunication killed you.
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  Speaker 2: Pavel Doro Fiev got a hat trick, which you never
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  Speaker 2: want to see somebody do in the playoffs. Brett Howden
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  Speaker 2: and Shae Theodor, you're becoming two of my least favorite
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  Speaker 2: human beings on NHL ice. Howden a couple of games
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  Speaker 2: ago with those ridiculous redirect goals and relatively quiet in
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  Speaker 2: this game until he wasn't until he scored the game
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  Speaker 2: winner short handed. The power play for the Utah Mammoth
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  Speaker 2: has got to get it figured out. We keep talking
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  Speaker 2: about special teams, special team, special teams. We've discussed it
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  Speaker 2: with Adrian Dinny, we talked about it with Nicole Chick,
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  Speaker 2: we talked about it with Tom callahan. We've talked about
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  Speaker 2: it with everyone who's joined us to chat hockey on
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  Speaker 2: the show, Mike Folta, and you know, the penalty kill
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  Speaker 2: has looked a lot better. The power play was over
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  Speaker 2: last night and in double overtime, when Vegas pulls a
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  Speaker 2: pretty dumb penalty, honestly, that opens up your opportunity. And
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  Speaker 2: in the seconds before you gave up the game winning
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  Speaker 2: goal to Brett Howden, you had some of your best
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  Speaker 2: scoring chances in the last twenty five minutes, and I
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  Speaker 2: guess credit to Heart for standing on his head and
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  Speaker 2: keeping the puck out of the net. But it felt
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  Speaker 2: like there was a when that sequence, that scramble in
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  Speaker 2: front of the Vegas crease didn't lead to a game winner,
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  Speaker 2: and then there was a shift change. It felt like
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  Speaker 2: there was almost like, all right, let's we got to
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  Speaker 2: get it back down into our offensive end. And they
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  Speaker 2: totally forgot that Vegas is down a man. But they
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  Speaker 2: got four guys playing hard trying to win the game.
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  Speaker 2: Right there.
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  Speaker 3: You heard the if.
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  Speaker 2: You're watching the national broadcast, they did a great job
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  Speaker 2: a break making down. How you know, Krause and Kerfoot
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  Speaker 2: are over there against the boards, ready to dig a
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  Speaker 2: puck out and there's just not enough urgency to it.
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  Speaker 2: There's not enough recognition that, like, we got to get
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  Speaker 2: this thing away from Marner, we got to get this
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  Speaker 2: thing away from the guys that are gonna make the
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  Speaker 2: right pass. And so another turnover and it's deep in
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  Speaker 2: your zone, it's way down in your defensive zone, and
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  Speaker 2: out in wanders in front of the net and ends
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  Speaker 2: up getting a game winning goal and now you're down
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  Speaker 2: three to two in the series. These are the little
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  Speaker 2: things that you will either learn from you will not
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  Speaker 2: make this stake and this mistake again in game six,
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  Speaker 2: you will not make this mistake again in next series,
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  Speaker 2: or you're gonna go back. You're gonna watch this tape
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  Speaker 2: all off season long. You're gonna have these discussions all
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  Speaker 2: off season long. You're gonna put something scenarios in your
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  Speaker 2: practice rooms and on the ice where you're like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: remember when this happened, this is how we have to
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  Speaker 2: handle it instead, and then you hope that these outcomes
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  Speaker 2: don't repeat themselves in the twenty twenty seven Stanley Cup playoffs,
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  Speaker 2: because the Mammoth are going to be a staple in
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  Speaker 2: the West for a while.
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  Speaker 3: It's not going to get easier.
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  Speaker 2: It's not gonna look, I don't think drastically different in
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  Speaker 2: the short term. But the San Jose Sharks are coming
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  Speaker 2: next year, all right. They've got a good young team,
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  Speaker 2: just like the Mammoth Deo. Their top line superstar is
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  Speaker 2: something that the Utah Mammoth do not have. Maybe we're
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  Speaker 2: reaching kind of a sunset on teams like Edmonton. This
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  Speaker 2: Vegas team is not exactly a bunch of spring chickens.
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  Speaker 2: Were you heard that on the broadcast last night? They're
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  Speaker 2: they're an older team, so maybe they don't hang around
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  Speaker 2: much longer. And I'm all for the competitiveness of the series,
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  Speaker 2: the back and forth, excepting that, yeah, there's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: some things that don't go your way. But man, the
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  Speaker 2: self inflicted wounds in every sport, for every team that
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  Speaker 2: we have locally, it's just really really hard to accept
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  Speaker 2: those things. If Jack Keele on that breakaway just shows
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  Speaker 2: why he's Jack Ikeele and puts it in the back
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  Speaker 2: of the net for the game winner, I'm probably gonna
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  Speaker 2: be like, ah, what do you do when Jack Eikeel
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  Speaker 2: is isolated and you're one on one against him?
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  Speaker 3: It's effectively a shootout goal.
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  Speaker 2: In that but Veggie stops that breakaway, he stops that goal. Right.
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  Speaker 3: That's one of those situations where.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe my mindset is wrong on this, but where
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  Speaker 2: I'm just like, yeah, if jack Ico scores there, you
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  Speaker 2: just kind of got to say, ah.
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  Speaker 3: What do you do.
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  Speaker 2: He's one of the best players in the West, one
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  Speaker 2: of the best players in the NHL.
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  Speaker 3: What do you do? Veggie got that one stopped.
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  Speaker 2: And then it was the turnovers, the sloppy puck handling,
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  Speaker 2: the lazy errant passing that ended up killing you in
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  Speaker 2: this game.
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  Speaker 4: And O see, how about was it Logan Cooley after
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  Speaker 4: that first So Mammoth on a power play for like
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  Speaker 4: forty seconds right in the first period, and then the
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  Speaker 4: first time it wasn't Cooley, it was a it was
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  Speaker 4: a different Mammoth player. Who gets who who goes in
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  Speaker 4: the penalty box? So it's four on four and then
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  Speaker 4: it turns into a Knight's power play. You get an
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  Speaker 4: you get a PK on that one, you kill that
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  Speaker 4: penalty and then what thirty seconds later, Koley gets in
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  Speaker 4: the penalty box leads to the equalizing goal in the
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  Speaker 4: first period after you took a one to zero lead,
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  Speaker 4: that to me was also a backbreaker. The other one
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  Speaker 4: I can think of, that's you got to give credit
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  Speaker 4: to Heart, the goaltender on this.
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  Speaker 3: You can't really.
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  Speaker 4: Say it's a it's a mistake on the mammoth, but
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  Speaker 4: it's still a golden missed opportunity. Nick Smaltz's breakaway, Uh,
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  Speaker 4: that was that second period he had that. He had
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  Speaker 4: that breakaway and you're like, you gotta you gotta put those,
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  Speaker 4: but then you gotta put those in the back in
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  Speaker 4: the net, is how you think. But then Golden Knights
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  Speaker 4: had one with Yeah, I mean it kind of washes
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  Speaker 4: out there.
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  Speaker 2: If those are tough, if those two things wash themselves out,
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  Speaker 2: because you know, goalies are paid too, right, like these
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  Speaker 2: are professionals too. If those guys can can kind of
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  Speaker 2: cancel each other out, and you've got to, you've got
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  Speaker 2: a real chance to win this game, and unfortunately you
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  Speaker 2: just don't do it in the You were fifty two
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  Speaker 2: seconds away from winning this thing in regulation and Vegas
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  Speaker 2: pulled its goalie pulled Heart. So it's six on five,
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  Speaker 2: but man, that's not supposed to be a high percentage situation.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to your penalty kill, which effectively you're skating
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  Speaker 2: now is a penalty kill unit, a six on five
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  Speaker 2: penalty kill unit. Your penalty kill with the exception of
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  Speaker 2: that first period looked really, really good.
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  Speaker 3: And I already.
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  Speaker 2: Mentioned this, and I king Henry on the on the
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  Speaker 2: postgame was talking about, you know, like, that's not really
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  Speaker 2: two much much of an overslide. When you get a
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  Speaker 2: one time or opportunity from that corner. For a Jack
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  Speaker 2: Eichel type player, you have to square yourself up as
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  Speaker 2: the goaltender. You have to put yourself in the best
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  Speaker 2: position to save that because that is a high percentage shot.
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  Speaker 2: That's a shot that is going to kill you. The
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  Speaker 2: problem that the Mammoth have, and the problem that they've
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  Speaker 2: had a couple of times in this series, is there's
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  Speaker 2: too much Golden Knight presence in front of the net.
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  Speaker 2: You have got to clean up the bodies in front
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  Speaker 2: of the net, and especially when you see and I
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  Speaker 2: get it, I'm asking more than is reasonable, I think,
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  Speaker 2: But when you see that Veggie has to slide all
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  Speaker 2: the way effectively out of the front of the net
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  Speaker 2: in order to address that shot from the corner, you
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  Speaker 2: know that the rebound is now a big live You
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  Speaker 2: know the rebound is a huge problem, and anyone being
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  Speaker 2: there with a stick on the ice is going to
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  Speaker 2: be a massive problem for you. So you got a
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  Speaker 2: couple of options. You can lay yourself down and probably
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  Speaker 2: take one in the face as a last resort, or
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  Speaker 2: you can get a body on a body. You can
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  Speaker 2: do your best to push those guys out to not
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  Speaker 2: be puck watching and be ready for the rebound. I
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  Speaker 2: know that the mammoth want to have their sticks on
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  Speaker 2: the ice in that situation. They want to be able
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  Speaker 2: to bat that thing out. They want to be able
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  Speaker 2: to clear it if it does bounce off Veggie's pads.
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  Speaker 2: If it's me, and I don't know how coach Bartt
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  Speaker 2: coaches it up, I'm doing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm playing snowplow instead.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to get Dora a feev of all people,
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  Speaker 2: but everyone else away from the front of the And
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  Speaker 2: I know he came kind of like sliding in from
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  Speaker 2: a little bit deeper in a perfectly opportune moment, and
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  Speaker 2: so it's probably unreasonable for me to say, well, just
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  Speaker 2: don't let him be there. But man, you have six
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  Speaker 2: on five, right, but one of the six is by
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  Speaker 2: himself in the corner with that shot. So you don't
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  Speaker 2: have a body on him, so you do have five
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  Speaker 2: for five. If someone was out there trying to close
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  Speaker 2: out on the shooter, trying to close out on that,
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  Speaker 2: trying to lay down or do that that cool little
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  Speaker 2: like old school hockey slide, you know what I'm talking about,
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  Speaker 2: where they put their They almost look like they're a
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  Speaker 2: baseball catcher. They slide down on one knee. They try
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  Speaker 2: to get themselves in the path of the shot. Just
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  Speaker 2: brutal guys. Take it off the ribs, take it off
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  Speaker 2: the face. Cool he did this the other night and
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  Speaker 2: how he got one on the inside of the wrist
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  Speaker 2: trying to like gather it in your bread basket. That
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  Speaker 2: wasn't happening though it was an open shot in isolation.
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  Speaker 2: There was nobody over there. So you've got five bodies
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  Speaker 2: to put on five bodies. And I know it's not
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  Speaker 2: man defense. You can't play that in hockey, but good golly,
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  Speaker 2: keep the knights away from the front of the net.
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  Speaker 2: And this is where ultimately, if the Utah Mammoth lose
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  Speaker 2: this series, and we talk about all right, man, you
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  Speaker 2: have the speed advantage here. I think you have the
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  Speaker 2: skill advantage here. I think they have the depth advantage here.
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  Speaker 2: But one thing that they do not have the advantage
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  Speaker 2: in clearly in this series, and we go all the
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  Speaker 2: way back to Game one, is the size, the strength
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  Speaker 2: of physicality, the ability to bully the other team around
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  Speaker 2: in those scenarios. And that killed you, not in the
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  Speaker 2: game winner, but that absolutely smoked you in the equalizer
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  Speaker 2: in the six on five.
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  Speaker 3: It really did.
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  Speaker 4: And I put down you probably saw I put down
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  Speaker 4: briefly on our notes, defense in front of Veggie lacking,
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  Speaker 4: and then I erased it because I'm looking at I'm
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  Speaker 4: looking because I'm expecting when I put that down, I
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  Speaker 4: was expecting the blocks disparity to be well, like hugely
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  Speaker 4: in favor of Vegas because it just seems like they
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  Speaker 4: have guys flying around the net on both sides way
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  Speaker 4: more than the mammothu. What's interesting, interesting enough, is if
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  Speaker 4: you look at the series stats, Utah is actually winning
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  Speaker 4: the blocks category by like ten for the series and
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  Speaker 4: most I think, I think last game was the only
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  Speaker 4: game they didn't win the blocks category.
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  Speaker 3: It was twenty to seventeen.
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  Speaker 4: So then I'm like, Okay, I still think that the
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  Speaker 4: defense in front of Veggie is lacking some but it's
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  Speaker 4: clearly not manifesting in the obvious, like they're not getting
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  Speaker 4: enough blocks there. And I think it's I think it's
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  Speaker 4: in what you're talking about. I think it's in not
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  Speaker 4: clearing out guys in front of the net in ways
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  Speaker 4: that they in ways that they need to, and not
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  Speaker 4: keep having your guys in front of the net instead
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  Speaker 4: of instead of Vegas's guys, and that has led to
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  Speaker 4: so many shorthanded goals the last couple of games. Oh see,
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  Speaker 4: they've they've had shorties the last two games that hardly
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  Speaker 4: ever happens in playoff hockey, and they've had it in
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  Speaker 4: consecutive games. The one in particular was not necessarily for
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  Speaker 4: that saying because for the same reasons we're talking about,
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  Speaker 4: but last night ended the game on a short handed goal.
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  Speaker 4: I mean that there's something lacking with this defense. I
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  Speaker 4: think physicality is an obvious thing to point to, and
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  Speaker 4: clearly it's they need to find a way to get
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  Speaker 4: Vegas's guys out from in front of the net.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's I mean, I know, that's like rudimentary, that
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  Speaker 2: is day one type stuff. And it's not like they
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  Speaker 2: don't practice it. It's not like they haven't worked on it.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like it's something that Bill Armstrong and company
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  Speaker 2: are not looking to address with some of the moves
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  Speaker 2: that they have made.
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  Speaker 4: Either of us know the strategies that you need to
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  Speaker 4: employ to do that sort of thing necessary.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny because like, there are strategies to it, obviously,
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  Speaker 2: but it's a lot like when you talk to hockey
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  Speaker 2: people and we've done our best to try to catch
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  Speaker 2: up to the rest of the NHL in the last
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  Speaker 2: two years. A lot of that stuff, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: that that mess in front of the net. It's kind
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  Speaker 2: of like when we're Gordy Chays is going to join
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  Speaker 2: us for the next hour starting at eleven thirty, and
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  Speaker 2: what do we talk about with rebounding all the time. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: there's there's a technique to it. Yes there's some coachability
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  Speaker 2: to it, but a lot of it is just an
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  Speaker 2: effort thing. A lot of it is just like a
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  Speaker 2: are you putting in the work?
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  Speaker 3: Are you preparing yourself but your.
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  Speaker 4: Body between your guy in the basket and go get
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  Speaker 4: the ball.
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  Speaker 2: There's just an awareness and that's I think my biggest
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  Speaker 2: problem because the stat sheets in hockey. First of all,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of us are still learning how to read
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  Speaker 2: them properly. But also, you know, the box score doesn't
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  Speaker 2: tell you the full story in any sport, and in
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  Speaker 2: these Mammoth games, especially if you just look at the
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  Speaker 2: box score and you're like, oh, yeah, I mean Utah's
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  Speaker 2: defense is doing fine. Look that they're leading this in blocks,
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  Speaker 2: and now the hit disparity between these two teams has
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  Speaker 2: actually disappeared for the most part, and so like this
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: is not just a situation where they're getting bullied around.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: But then when you actually watch the games and you
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: see where these Vegas Knights goals are coming from, a
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: lot of it is just like my physical presence is
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: something that you are unable to uproot from the front
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: of your own net. Or the reason you're not scoring
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: is because you're not getting as many opportunities in front
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: of our nets because we are able to clear you
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: out of that net. The I think, what was it,
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: high percentage of the Golden Knights goals in this series
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: have come withinside twelve feet in front of the net.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: It's the stuff in there. The goal scorer is there.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: The Mammoth they're twenty five feet away when they score.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a lot of one timers. For the Mammoth,
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: it's Dylan gunther lasers from how many feet away?
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: And there's nothing wrong with that. Inherently, you need to
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: be able to have that. It ever works right, you've
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: got to be able to have that. But I don't
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: think you can be a playoff team without both. Or
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: you could be a playoff team where it's like an
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: eighty twenty. And that's probably where the Mammoth are right
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: because you do have some guys like Kraus will get
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: in there and mix it up, but he's he's a
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: close range weapon when he also got a great.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: Release, and unfortunately he hasn't been Barrett Hayton. He's able
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: to do that.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Barret Hayton's got some, you know, ability to mix things up.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: They brought into Neil Boot and Dimitri Simyshev in order
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: to be those big body guys. They're still young, they're
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: still growing into it. Eventually that's going to pay dividends.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: And I hate to be reductive, and there's probably some
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: hockey purists driving around right now being like, what are
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: you doing. There's a lot more to it than this.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: I know there is.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: But when two of the five.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Goals that end up being killers for you in this
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: game are very clearly the result of you not being
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: able to win the physical battle, the ugly battle, the elbows,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: the positioning, the slide this guy out of the front
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: of our net. If you're losing that battle in a
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: timely matter, two or three times a night and it's
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: leading to Golden Knight's goals, it has to be something
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: that you address. It has to be something that you fix,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: and maybe you can do it between games. If you
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: can't do it between games, this series is going to end.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: And more importantly, it's something you have to address personnel
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: wise the offseason. And I love the way that this
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: team has made up right now, and we felt the
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: same way about him last year. But if you're gooda
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, Mackenzie Wieger another great addition to this team.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: If he's gonna turn the puck over deep in his
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: own zone, it washes out all the other good stuff
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: that he does. And I know it's a lot to
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: expect of these guys to be good at every single thing.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: I don't expect Mackenzie Weaker to be good at every
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: single thing. I do expect him to be disciplined with
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: his puck handling, and his passing. I do expect like
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Alexander Kerfoot is not going to give you.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Ninety points a year.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: His role on this team is to make sure that
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: the kind of mistakes that he made last night on
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: a Utah power play where he's got two guys, he
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: can clear that puck too, he could pass that puck too,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: and he can get things started the other way. If
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: he's not doing that, he's gonna be punished. He's gonna
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: be taken out of the lineup, he's gonna be pushed
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: down the line.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: He's gonna be doing all that stuff.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: It's the nuance is very, very difficult to process in hockey,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: more so, I think than any other sport, and we're
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: seeing it bite this Utah Mammoth team, who has now
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: failed to close out in three of the five games.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Third period leads in three of the five games for
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: the Utah Mammoth twice in overtime. You have fallen after leading,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: especially this game until relatively late until fifty two I
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: guess officially fifty three seconds left on the clock. That
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: changes the whole future of your franchise in the short term.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: If you win this game, you're now the prohibitive favorite.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: You now have wiggle room, and now you're back up
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: against the wall. And I think that this team is
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: destined for greatness sooner than later. I think that this
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Utah Mammoth team is going to deliver us a championship
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: in Salt Lake City long before the Jazz do, if
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: the Jazz ever do. It's wild to feel these feels
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: about a brand new team, if that makes sense.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: Four to three to Ozhoc, to your point, in the
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: last two third periods got there in different ways. Obviously,
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: in Game four you're down three nothing. It's a huge
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: comeback from the second and third periods to then take
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: the lead. But for three leads in the last two games,
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: and as you mentioned last night, less than a minute left,
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: you have that four to three lead, and you lose
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: an overtime both games. I mean that's you can't rely
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: on overtime, particularly against I feel like, particularly against a
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: veteran squad like the Vegas Golden Knights, who are more
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: physical than you. And even if the the stats don't
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: say it, don't show that they're more physical than you,
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: just their presence, like you're saying in front of the net,
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: their presence everywhere on the ice. The fact that they
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: are not turning the puck over as often as Utah
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: is the fact that they're not taking as many inopportune
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: penalties as the Mammoths have been taking the last few
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: games especially.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: I mean that.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: Favors that team typically is favored when you're when you're
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: in a golden goal situation in overtime, in my opinion,
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: and that's that's what's happened in the last two nights.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: The Knights have have capitalized after getting an a late equalizer,
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: They've finally capitalized in overtime. The Mammoth they gotta lead.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: You got to keep it out of overtime. You gotta
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: do it.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: The the atmosphere on Friday night is going to be
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: massively important, so get yourself there. If you don't have tickets, fine,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: go to Big Willie seventeen seventeen South Main.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: They'll have a watch part going on.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: This is the last guaranteed playoff game of the year
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: for the Utah Mammoth. If you haven't made it to
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: one yet, get your behind to the Delta Center.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Be part of this. It is special.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Even if they get closed out, and I don't think
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: they will Honestly, I actually think that this team now
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: dropping the last two is probably just kicking themselves. And
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: they've responded very well throughout the year. When a slide
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: starts or when it's something, especially these self inflicted wounds
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: start to pile on top, there hasn't been a lot
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: of long losing streaks for this Mammoth team this year.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: I think we at least get a Game seven, which
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: is going to require a win on Friday night, and
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: win on Friday night is going to sound and look
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: a heck of a lot better when that's a sold
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: out show. So if you can't make it to the
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: game seventeen seventeen South Maine, they will have giveaways autograph
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: memorabilia at Big Willies.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Telemosse he sent you.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: They're going to hook you up on the drink specials,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: on the food specials, on the craft beers, on the
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: craft cocktails, and Big Willies is a great place to
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: watch it because.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Twenty minutes of hockey, fifteen minute break.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: That fifteen minute break is just enough time for you
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: to go into the pool hall, shoot around, take your
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: mind off the game, stop worrying about a little bit,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: get your butt back in and watch period two, do
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: it again between two and three, and if the series
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: continues the way it has been, do it between the
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: overtime periods as well. Gordy Chase is here in studio.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: He's going to join us for an hour on the
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: show today. Can't wait for that. We've got John Ollers,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: the voice of the Anaheim Ducks in Sports USA. The
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: craft of play by play on hockey is really fascinating
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: to listen to, to watch, to study. These guys are good
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: man and it's awesome to see. It's great to watch.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: So looking forward to that conversation as we get a
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: little perspective on what else is going on in the
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Western Conference Stanley Cup playoffs on a lighter I have to.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: I'll finish for now on the Mammoth with this.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: My wife loves watching sports in the arena, loves going
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: to football games, loves going to baseball games, loves going
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: to jazz games, loves going to Mammoth games. It's been
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: actually really great date night thing for us to have
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: tickets and to go. Instead of me just being like
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I have credentials. I don't need to buy tickets like
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: I can get in any of these games.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: I want like, we love going to these games.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: She's not always been the biggest like let's watch a
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: game on TV kind of gal. That's gonna change in hockey,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: and not for the reason.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: That I wish it would.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Because we were watching the national broadcast last night and
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: my wife became aware of for the first time Henrik Lundquist.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Oh no, and we're going to the intermission reports, and
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: she's like, Okay, who are these guys. I'm like, Oh,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: it's that, isn't that. He's like just kind of a
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: loud mouth, like typical hockey guy.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Charles Barkley of The Hockey Postgame really like him.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: He's awesome, but actually didn't have like a superstellar NHL career.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: He's just like, he's really good at this part. The
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: guy next to him is an ageless wonder. I don't
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: know how Leam McHugh looks like he does at age
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: forty eight, but he does look like that, like Anson Carter.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: And then you get to Lumquist and she's like, why
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: did they keep doing close ups on that guy? I'm like,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: you know, why they keep doing close ups on that guy.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: He's also like the Hall of Famer of the group.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: So that's the other reason. And it was so funny
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: because throughout the night as we're watching, she keeps making
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: these little comments, just like what is it?
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: What is it about him?
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: What is it? And I'm just like, what do you mean?
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: He's like incredibly handsome, he's well spoken, he was a
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: great goalie. I mean he's he's King Henry. She's just like,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: oh wow, that's a nice suit. And then you know,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: nothing until the next intermission report and she said, wow,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: he's a little is it mesmerizing? Is that the right word.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: I like, okay, yes, he is mesmerizing. We all get
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: lost in his eyes. Thank you. So good news, bad news.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: We should bring that into the show. Good news, bad news.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: The good news is my wife likes to watch hockey.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Now the bad news is it's maybe not because of
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: the hockey. And then when that game's over, James, it's
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: twelve thirty, whatever time it was, I'm like, I got
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: to get the kids to school in the morning. I'm
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: going to bed. Guess who stayed up and watched the
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: full postgame report?
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: Who watch Hank? It wasn't me, So I want to
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: keep watching Hank. Yeah, you have a good night.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: My wife was just like, oh, yeah, that's a good night.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: I'm like, gosh, dag it, Hank.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: Anybody on the anybody on the SEG broadcast that's that
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: would be like that for her. I think old Chick,
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: I mean think old Chick's a handsome fellow chicks in
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: the studio and the home games. Maybe maybe, yeah, maybe
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: keep her away from SCG because that because old Chick's local.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: He's a lot more accessible, a lot. No, I actually
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: don't worry about Nicole. Chick is too young, Okay, he's
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: like my wife.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Good point.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: My wife weirdly only has like makes she never makes
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: comments like that about anything any people. But it's always
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: like the silver fox type.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: The only reason I have this beard that ages me
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: ten years is because my wife is like, no, keep that.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: I like that. I'm just like, that's weird that you
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: like me looking so much older. But it is what
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: it is, all right.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: By the way, absolutely make it over the Big Willies
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: watch party if you can't get into the Delta Center.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: But they announced they did announce right outside the Delta
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: Center they'll for the first time they'll have for a
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: home game, they'll have a watch party on the plaza
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: as well. You saw that on if you were watching
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: the Utah sixteen broadcast. The local broadcast, they kept showing
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: scenes of the watch party on the plaza from last night.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: That was the first one of the series. If I'm
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: not mistaken, they're gonna have one outside, so they want
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: atmosphere inside and outside the Delta Center. That's gonna get
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: crazy crowded though, so you might as well go to
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: Big Willies. If you're not gonna get into the Delta.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Well, the nice thing is with they do with Big Willies,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: you can kind of have both if you want, you
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. So maybe watch the first period
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: at the watch party and then you're like, it, actually,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: isn't that great. Standing around it's gonna be about forty
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: eight degrees. Well outside the Delta Center it's gonna be
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: about forty eight degrees. At that point, you're like, God,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: this was fun to take this in. Now I got
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: an hour and a half of hockey left. I'm gonna
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: go watch at Big Willies, and I'm gonna get a
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: great meal, great drinks, great service. Telemose he sent you,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: and make sure you register to win the special Mammoth membabilia.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Signed memorabilia being given away at Big Willies and all
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: their watch parties. All right, Gordy Chiesa, as promised, is
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: gonna be with us for the next hour.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: He's right here in studio.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: We'll talk to the NBA Playoffs, which have been equally
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: insane and equally fun and equally entertaining. We are spoiled
• 32:58
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• 33:01
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  Speaker 5: He's out.
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  Speaker 5: Let's not get crazy.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Come for the hoops talk.
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  Speaker 1: With basketball so on Gordy Chiasa on the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 3: Well, welcome back to the shot On Condall Show.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome and our resident NBA guru, mister Gordy Chiasa.
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  Speaker 5: How are you Sean. I'm doing well, thank you.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: These NBA playoffs man, like I said before the break,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: we are spoiled for entertainment in our evenings right now,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: even though the Utah Jazz are not involved in the playoffs,
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  Speaker 2: and we hope that changes sooner than later. These playoffs
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: so far this year we're only in the first round.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: We got barn Burner series all over the place.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: Yes, we do.
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  Speaker 6: It's been outrageous. It's in a wonderful first round. If
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: you're the TV partners, you are absolutely static. And there's
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: some young teams that are performing and some grizzly veterans
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: are trying to hold on for dear life and that
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: makes it so important. And then there's two teams that
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: are arresting right now. They are the defending champion Thunder
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: and the second seed in the West, the San Antonio Spurs,
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: so too arresting. Everyone else is what fighting for their
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: dear life and that's the beauty of it. The catch
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: word was the NHL Playoffs and also NBA is physicality.
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: Who can play physical within the framework of the game
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: legally and take away the other teams easy scoring opportunities
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: And the better teams can do that. And the solo
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: players when they get motto a model body on body,
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: can they perform? And you can see that some people
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: cherish physicality, others back down. Also, Sean, I'm worried about
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: you wife, Sean. So you mentioned before about where you
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: leughing at. I don't know personally, thank god, I don't
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: know her but her point of view, but as you
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: said before. She's as google wise over these hockey announcers.
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: I worry about you.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, nothing we could do, but nothing I can
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: do about it.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe maybe you could. I could talk to him. Maybe
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  Speaker 6: I'm good with metal advice. I'm good at. I like that,
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  Speaker 2: I was surprised that the Lakers were not able to
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: get it done against the Houston Rockets last night. With
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Kevin Durant ruled out. I thought it was gonna be
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: more of a cakewalk for this Lakers team. But shows
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: you what I know.
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: No, you know a whole bunch of things. But the Lakers,
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: they couldn't shoot straight. They shot from the field forty
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: two and three point rants. He only made seven three
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: point shots at a twenty seven twenty six point three.
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: Luke Connaught knocked down shoot of forty six percent from threes.
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: He'd played great in the playoffs until last night, where
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: he couldn't make a shot and that affected them tremendously.
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: But Lukenard goes oh for four and he only scores
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: one point, and that was a huge factor of the game.
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: Austin Reeves, his first game since early April, came back
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: off the injury and he couldn't you. Also, he misfired
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: four for sixteen. Some of some of it was the
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: defense of the Rockets where they're tired of being pushed around.
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: They've responded and the Lakers didn't. Last point about that
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: was that Reach Shepherd. He's been much talked about as
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: far as him being the point guard because Freddy van
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: Fleet's out the whole season. But last night sewan when
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: it when it, when they were down, when they Lakers
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: fought back to that game into a momentum and to
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: a two point deficit. Late in the game, Reach Shepherd
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: sticks that pull up jump shot on a short clock
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: where they had to make it, and the very next
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: possession he boll strips Lebron James in the middle of
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: the floor and he goes off and gets a solo dunk,
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: and that would That changed the That changed the late
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: part of the of the contest, and that helped that.
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: Fueled the Rockets to win.
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: The Rockets played last night hard hat defense where it
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: was a do whatever mentality to get a road, gritty win,
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: and they did.
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: Hots off to them.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: When you look at the way that this team performed
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: in the absence of a superstar and Obviously, the Lakers
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: probably feeling pretty good because they've got Lebron who's been
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: playing well. Reeves, as you mentioned, came back in this game.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: He did not have a great performance. Lebron also went
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: over from beyond the arc, and that's gonna happen sometimes,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: even when you're one of the goats. But what does
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: it do for the rest of the series in terms
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: of this Rockets mentality that they were able to get
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: it done shorthanded, Yeah, they.
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: Get confidence right now.
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: The playing at home, it's gonna be an outrageous game
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: tomorrow night. It's gonna be ye tomorrow night, and I
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: think they're gonna win at home the Rockets now, so
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: now they get Game seven in LA and that's going
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: to be a tremendous As far as that, I think
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: Rockets getting done it gives them confidence. Their young team Chagoon,
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: their star inside player has been He played good last night.
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: It didn't shoot straight because the defense is so powerful,
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: but fourteen points, nine rebounds and eight assists, so he
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: became really the almost like the points center. The way
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: they played. And Aman Thompson one of the best all
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: round players in the NBA as a young fellaies firstatile
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: he had four steals and part of the reason why
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: the physicality that Rockets had ten steals. So I look
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: for tomorrow night them beating the Lakers, and then Lakers
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: on Sunday beat the Rockets and advance on it. Showing
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: right now there's a sixth first round series that are
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: going at least six games, and that was that the
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: last time this happened was twenty fourteen, twelve years ago.
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: And so talk about parody, whether it's the end of
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: whether it's a big bad NBA, the NBA League of
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: Us is a static that there's so much as far
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: as good play by either up and coming teams or
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: status quo, and they're looking forward to it. So six
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: first round series are now going six games or more.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: And by the way, it's I don't know how much
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: this matters to the league. It's very interesting to me.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: The Lakers without their leading scorer and superstar Luka Doncic,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: the Rockets without Kevin Durant, and we just talked about
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards out right now for the Minnesota Timberwolves. You
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: got all these star players that are not able to
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: carry these teams one way or another, and yet and
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: still we're looking at really competitive series. I think in
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: past years my assumption would have just been, oh, that
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: guy's out, they can't win.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Teams are finding away very much.
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: And that's the X factor where players do step up
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: and their roles change on the fly from game to game,
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: and the ability for any athlete to adapt the times
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: of what does your team need you at this moment
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: during the game and for and for the next battle.
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: And that's what happens with with players. Where the most
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: powerful forces in the NBA playoff game, besides talent, is
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: momentum and toughness. Those two things you need most times.
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: You don't beat somebody, you you advance past them. And
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: that's how tough it is to win a playoff series.
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: And that's why the teams that that usually do advance,
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: they have their elements of that most playoff games showing
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: whether it's in the NFL or whether it's in the NBA.
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: I call it it's a blend of ballet and wrestling
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: both During the game, it's a ballet as far as
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: your talent, and it's a wrestling match. And the players
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: that perform usually mess to both art forms and that
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: they create an airborne magic. So I just described right there,
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: someone like Shay Jills Alexander airborne magic while still watch
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: brawling under in the lane. And that's someone like we'll
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: say Isaiah Hartenstein of the Thunder, and if Victor Rehnbion
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: but does both. He plays, he's ballet but also he
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: can battle and as it shows how unique he is.
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: So the playoffs, there's nothing regular about the playoffs. It's
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: it's all based on matchups and the intensity and the
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: velocity of the moment.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: All right, I want to try to stay on clock here.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: We have so much to talk about with Gordy, including
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: the new anti tanking proposal that the league is pushing forward.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: We'll get Gordy's thoughts on that. We'll jump back into
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: some of the playoff discussion. We'll talk about the rest
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: that the Thunder and the Spurs are getting. Right now,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: all things hoop with Gordia Chies. It's the Shan O'Connell
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Show on ESPN seven hundred and ninety.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: You're tuned to the Shan O'Connell Show for the Murdoch
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Chevrolet Studio of Yes seven hundred and one half.
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: M three two one lottery.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: That's what they're calling it.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: The NBA's new proposal, an anti tanking measure that would
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: actually punish the bottom three teams in the league with
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: one fewer lottery ball than the peers four through ten.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: So is this going to work? Is this going to
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: disincentivize tanking the way that the league hopes it?
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: There will still be manipulation.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: People are going to try to make sure they're in
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: that four through ten range instead of the bottom three,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: but it's a start towards making it less than favorable
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: for your team to race toward the bottom. The rules,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: and there's a lot of different ones in here, and
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: we'll get to them with Gordy Chierz, who's in studio
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: with us. The rules, if you didn't listen yesterday, have qualifications,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: have preventive measures in place for back to back first
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: round or top picks, having three top five picks in
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: back to back to back years in enhanced enforceability for
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: the anti tanking measures. From a league perspective, I want
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: to know what the fine print looks like on that,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: but people have already started to run simulations, by the way,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: on what it would look like if this year's draft
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: odds were put into the new system, and you might
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: not like the results. If you're the Sacramento Kings and
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: you know you roll the dice and you end up
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: with the sixteenth pick or whatever, obviously there's going to
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: be teams disappointed. But you stop guaranteeing good things for
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: teams who are not trying to compete, and that is
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: the whole point. Gordy, what do you think of the
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: three two to one. It's a start. I think it's
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: really good.
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: The model is based on the soccer league in Europe,
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: the Premier League, where if you finish in the bottom three,
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: you get demoted to the second division and the top
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: teams in the second division move up into the first division,
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: which I.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Love and I wish was possible in pro sports here
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: in the United States. It doesn't make sense when you
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: know the G League can't move up into the NBA
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: and you can't have minor league baseball teams moving up
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: into the majors. But that's effectively what you're describing, at
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: least in European soccer.
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely very much.
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: And so the bottom three teams of each conference only
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: get two lottery bulls, okay, and so they pedalized for
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: losing and again, what business do you have where you
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: want to lose on basically someone on purpose to grant
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: to get more odds. So the NBA decided to they
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: want to incentivize winning. It's the opposite effect, so they
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: want people to try to win. It's a better product
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: for the fans because remember without the fans, there's no
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: professional sports. That the fans are everything, and that you
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: want to keep interest, especially after the trading deadline. So
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: the way it played out recently in the last few
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: years is that after the trading deadline where some team,
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: Sean would have a fire sale where they give up
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: a lot of good players to try to try to
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: lose even more because the team was underperforming and to
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: get to better lottery picks. This way, it's the opposite
• 46:35
  Speaker 6: where it's insentitized to win. And Sean's alluding to also
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: there's one thing about where in addition, no team would
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: be able to win the top pick consecutive years. Sean
• 46:46
  Speaker 6: long time ago that the Orlando Magic and expansion team
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: picked back to back years Penny Hardaway and Shaquille O'Neal,
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: and then two years later in NBA Finals in ninety five.
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: So it does happen. NBA learned from that, and so
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: they it's not allowable. And the last thing is that
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: then you're not you're able to the three consecutive years pick.
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: In the top five.
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: So whether lottery balls are good to you, by by
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: active guard the man upstairs, you can't be in the
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: top five three years in a row.
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: And that and.
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: Also the last point about that is that is that
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: you can't you can't trade as far as future picks
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: all right through twelve to fifteen slots going forward, you
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: have to be so you can't uh when you trade
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: protect those picks through for fifteen. Either trade them or
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: you don't see either or you can't based on the lottery.
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: If we if you if we picked number twelve this year,
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: the pick goes to the two years later, you can't
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: do it anymore. So it's good. It's a start. It's
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: only a two year thing from twenty seven to twenty nine.
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: This this is in place. Then they're going to reevaluate
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: again the vote by the owners on May twenty eighth
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: this year. And so I think it's gonna happen, and
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: then we'll see the next two years how they tweak it, how.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Much Tom foolery. Do you think there will be now
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: just adjusted to the not to four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: ten in trying to get because you want the three
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: lottery balls. That's what everyone wants now right, is the
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: three and making sure that your one, two or three
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: has been what you do in the past. In the future,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: our team is just gonna say, all right, we're just
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: gonna We're still gonna lose on purpose, but we're only
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: gonna lose to a certain extent, and it's gonna be
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: four through ten.
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: Yes. Boy.
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: That said though, even if that happens, is that you're
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: still winning more games. This past season, for as the
• 48:43
  Speaker 6: reference point, the Wiz has won seventeen games and lost
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: sixty five yikes. The Paces won nineteen games and lost
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: sixty three. The Nets won twenty games and lost sixty two.
• 48:55
  Speaker 6: The Jazz won twenty two games and lost sixty and
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: the Kings lost two twenty two games and lost sixty
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: and the Grizzlies won twenty five games and lost fifty seven.
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: This way, maybe some of those teams or other teams
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: will win thirty two games sean, and so it's just better. Also,
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: how about how the players feel, I have a real problem.
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: If you're an NBA player and you're not and you
• 49:21
  Speaker 6: go along with not playing to win, I have a
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: real problem with that, Sean. I mean, hey, I want
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: to play. I'm twenty eight years old, twenty nine, I
• 49:29
  Speaker 6: have X amount of years in my career. I make
• 49:32
  Speaker 6: this salary. Hey, I want to play. This is what
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: I do for a living, Sean, I play basketball. What
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: I'm missing is Sean.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: No, It's been the thing that we've tried to like
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: scratch our heads about for the last four or five years,
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: especially here in Salt Lake City, right because, I mean,
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: we've seen a decent chunk of Lowry Marketin's NBA career
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: now lost, and you can't get that time back. That's waste.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: A guy who we've watched since his college days, a
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: guy who fits in really well here in the community.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: He loves living in Utah, A guy who you know
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: you should be seeing every time you go down to
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: the Delta Center. You should be seeing Lowry Market in Jerseys.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: But he hasn't. I know, some of it's been legitimate injury,
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: but not all of it has. Right, So you've lost
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: three years of his career.
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: With that set and his numbers he's missed the last
• 50:25
  Speaker 6: three year, showing a total of one hundred and two games. Yikes,
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: that's a lot of games. So it's it's more than
• 50:32
  Speaker 6: a whole season. An NBA seasons edy two games. He's
• 50:36
  Speaker 6: missed one hundred and two the last three And by
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: the way, he's really a good player. Let's not forget
• 50:41
  Speaker 6: he was an All Star once in jazz basketball. Yeah,
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: he's good. He's a good player. That guy's a knockdown shooter.
• 50:47
  Speaker 6: And so hopefully things like this will happen dramatically lesser
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: and lesser because again, the fans, the ones, they're ones
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: that the NBA and the rightfully, so they're trying to
• 51:01
  Speaker 6: reach out, especially Sewing young fans. Forget about the Oosters,
• 51:06
  Speaker 6: but just the young people they're trying to reach that
• 51:08
  Speaker 6: they get excited about NBA basketball. Everybody loves the NFL,
• 51:13
  Speaker 6: everybody everybody, and now hockey here in this area. People
• 51:17
  Speaker 6: really learning about playoff hockey, how intense it is, and
• 51:21
  Speaker 6: it's great. NBA basketball is also great. However, you've got
• 51:25
  Speaker 6: to win to keep what you have to be successful
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: by winning, to keep attracting showing younger fans.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: We were at the We're at the Layton Hills ball
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: yesterday for the Paris RV used RV event by the way,
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: still going on through Saturday. You should go check it
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: out if you're looking for a fifth wheel, a trailer,
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: a motor home, anything. They've got incredible deals right now,
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: about forty percent off brand new retail prices on these things.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: But I was talking to a guy up there during
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: a commercial break and we were talking about, Hey, you
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: know you're gonna go to the game on Friday. You're
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: gonna watch them. He's like, man, I got season tickets
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: to the Mammoth and I got season tickets to the Jazz.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh cool. How many Jazz games
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: did you go to this year? He's like, well, look,
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: not very many. Because I was going to games and
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: I'm seeing a starting lineup. I don't even know the
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: names of these players. These guys they're not trying to win,
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: So I gave I gave people most of my Jazz tickets.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: You're not hearing that as much with the Utah Mammoth.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: And look, the business still gets their money either way.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: They're selling the tickets either way, but the fans, to
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: the point you're making old, young, whatever. The fans need
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: something to keep them engaged. Right now, this reform, this
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: rule change is potentially coming into place, Gordy, when it
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: looks like we think the Jazz are kind of graduating
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: out of this lottery odds conversation, or at least in earnest,
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: we're hoping yes, right, oh, absolutely, yes, you get to
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: pick this year, you use to pick, well, you develop
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: whoever that is nicely, And now we're talking about the
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz. Maybe you get a lottery ball because you're
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: in you're a playing team or whatever. But it's interesting
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: the way that timing has worked out here anti tanking measures.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: If I'm still in the situation where you know, we
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: rewind it two years and the Jazz still need to tank,
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: I'm going, man, this is going to make this process
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: a little bit more difficult. The timing couldn't be better
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: for the Utah Jazz that they're now going to start
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: punishing tanking more aggressively when they decide to stop tanking
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: very much.
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: Oh, by the way, the Jazz have good players. The
• 53:38
  Speaker 6: Jazz can score the ball offensively, they they can make baskets,
• 53:44
  Speaker 6: and they're a tremendous foul shooting team. They got to
• 53:47
  Speaker 6: address the issues of overall defense. They've been in the
• 53:50
  Speaker 6: bottom two the last two seasons sewn. Antid this a
• 53:53
  Speaker 6: lot of times showing younger people stop me a lot
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: of times in my travels and they talk about the
• 53:59
  Speaker 6: Jazz to me. So I want to remind the fans
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: about the Jazz franchise. The Jazz are a proud franchise.
• 54:08
  Speaker 6: The Jazz played. Jazz's been in the playoffs thirty one times.
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: The last time has been twenty twenty two one time
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: Utah Jazz. They won twenty consecutive playoff appearances from nineteen
• 54:21
  Speaker 6: eighty three to two thousand and three. Sure on twenty
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: in a row. The Jazz advanced to the Western Conference
• 54:27
  Speaker 6: semi finals seventeen times to the second round. The Jazz
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: advanced to the Western Conference Finals the third round six times,
• 54:35
  Speaker 6: with the less time being two thousand and seven versus
• 54:38
  Speaker 6: San Antonio Spurs, who the World champions. The Jazz won
• 54:44
  Speaker 6: the Western Conference Championship twice, in nineteen ninety seven and
• 54:48
  Speaker 6: in nineteen ninety eight. The Jazz are running up NBA
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: Finals two years, also in nineteen ninety seven and ninety eight,
• 54:55
  Speaker 6: and from a smallest standpoint, the Jazz have been Midwest
• 54:59
  Speaker 6: Division champion means eleven times, including twenty twenty two. So
• 55:05
  Speaker 6: the Jazz historically have always shown been successful through expansion
• 55:12
  Speaker 6: as far as in the early eighties to nineteen nineties
• 55:15
  Speaker 6: to the two thousand, to Collins Boozer, Darren Williams, Paul Millsap,
• 55:21
  Speaker 6: Memodo Corps, that crew, they've been good. And I'm not
• 55:24
  Speaker 6: talking about John and Call and Jeff Hornisack. I'm talking
• 55:27
  Speaker 6: about years later also to their credit.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: So before we take a break, you think that this reform,
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: this proposed rule, it's got to pass the owners.
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: You think the owners are going to vote in support.
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: Yes, he had show it's the business model.
• 55:44
  Speaker 6: Also, we left one part out the TV partners and.
• 55:47
  Speaker 5: The betting partners want to have bought certainty.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: If I'm Ryan Smith, because you didn't enforce fines fairly
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: this last year. When I see that little fine print
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: about hey, we have expanded authority to prevent tanking, I
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: want explicit description of what that means. What does that
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: mean You're increasing fines or taking away draft picks? Because
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: if I trusted that the league office was going to
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: punish every team equally, for tanking.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: I'd be like, all right, whatever, but I don't trust
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: that anymore.
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: Well, fair point.
• 56:22
  Speaker 6: The Jazz were picked upon last year with the five
• 56:24
  Speaker 6: undred thousand dollars fine because of they set guys in
• 56:27
  Speaker 6: the fourth quarter in consecutive games. And my instincts tell
• 56:31
  Speaker 6: me Seawan and my sources have told me that it
• 56:34
  Speaker 6: was based A lot of it was based on the
• 56:38
  Speaker 6: legally shown DraftKings, the betting arts during games where people bet,
• 56:43
  Speaker 6: you know, during games, which is legally and that's what
• 56:46
  Speaker 6: it effected things. And they say, wait a second, most
• 56:49
  Speaker 6: times shown the betting arts are correct ninety percent of
• 56:53
  Speaker 6: the time. All right, most times shown you're correct ninety
• 56:56
  Speaker 6: percent of the times. So you and Draft King are
• 56:58
  Speaker 6: the two people I know that the smartest guys. That's right,
• 57:01
  Speaker 6: ninety percent at a time.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Ninety percent of the time, it works every time.
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: Correct.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: All right, We'll take another quick one here.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: We got more playoff basketball to talk about with Gordy.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: I actually want to pick.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: His brain about the expanded college basketball Tournament, another proposal
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: being pushed through, and of course Gordy's list of the
• 57:20
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• 57:49
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• 58:00
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• 58:03
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• 58:14
  Speaker 2: we touched on briefly the Minnesota Denver series, the La
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Houston Series.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: Orlando went up three to one on Detroit.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Detroit battles back find a strong performance from Cade Cunningham.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: The Boston Celtics you have told us you think is
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: the strongest, the strongest candidate out of the East to
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: win the NBA Championship this year. They're up three to
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: two on Philly Nicks Hawks is three to two Cleveland
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: with the former jazz Man Donovan Mitchell is up three
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: two on Toronto. That is six different series that are tired,
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: that are up three to two right now. And Orlando
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: they can they actually get it done against Detroit.
• 58:58
  Speaker 6: We'll start there, Yes, yes, three to two up Friday
• 59:03
  Speaker 6: night at home. They lost last night one sixteen one
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: oh nine. The power of scoring the ball through physicality,
• 59:13
  Speaker 6: Kay Cunningham forty five points franchise records. So think about
• 59:17
  Speaker 6: Detroit Pistons Isaiah Thomas, all the great players have played
• 59:20
  Speaker 6: there over the years. That he set the record of
• 59:23
  Speaker 6: forty five points in a playoff game, including foul line
• 59:26
  Speaker 6: fourteen for fourteen three throws. He has that physicality to
• 59:30
  Speaker 6: his game mid range jump shot I call bump and finish,
• 59:33
  Speaker 6: master it all right. He was the first pick of
• 59:36
  Speaker 6: the draft in twenty twenty one. Polo ben Carro was
• 59:41
  Speaker 6: the first pick in twenty twenty two. A year later,
• 59:44
  Speaker 6: forty five points a Korea playoff high. So both guys
• 59:49
  Speaker 6: first picks of the draft back to back years delivered
• 59:52
  Speaker 6: fur their team. But the Pistons won at home. And
• 59:55
  Speaker 6: now it's ben Carro's chance to get it done tomorrow night.
• 59:59
  Speaker 6: And Franz Vagna who's a tremendous player for them, might
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 6: not play a strained right cat. So that is absolutely
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 6: a factor for them. But I do think that the
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 6: Magic gonna upset as the eighth seed, They're gonna upset
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 6: the first seed and advance to the second round.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: When's the last time that happened eight.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 5: Versus one upset? Okay, you know, I don't know.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: According to Google, it's twenty twenty three, Miami beat Milwaukee
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: for to one in the first round.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: Does that sound right, Yeah, it sounds right.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: Twenty twelve, the seventy six Ers beat the Bulls.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: That was eight versus one.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: Twenty eleven, the Grizzlies beat the San Antonio Sports Spurs
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: four to two. Two thousand and seven, Golden State defeated
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: Dallas four to two. Go all the way back to
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: the nineties, the Knicks beat the Miami Heat in that
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: was the best of five back then in the first time,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: And in nineteen ninety four the Nuggets beat of the
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: Seattle SuperSonics three to two in the best of five.
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  Speaker 6: Sure, so it doesn't happened a lot. No, it doesn't
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 6: happen a lot, And that's what's the beauty of it.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 6: Is that you've got to stay the course, though, and
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 6: it all starts and ends on defense. I know everybody
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 6: loves the offense, we all do it. Every coach in
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 6: the history of basketball loves offense. However, but the way
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 6: to advance in postseason play is your defense has to
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 6: be solid and you've got to have your star players
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 6: have to guard in the fourth quarter. They have to
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 6: be able to play defense willingly besides our scoring buckets,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 6: and that that makes it so interesting for a team.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 6: So that what elite players can play both sides of
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 6: the ball to deliver the knockout punch to win a
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  Speaker 6: close game.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: That's the question. Philosophically, we're gonna find out.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: What do you think of Nicks Hawks New York is
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: up three to two.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: One.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 6: I think that cal Anthony Towns when he's involved in
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 6: the knickerbockers, the chance of the winning of tremendous. He's
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 6: averaging twenty points a game, eleven rebounds, shift from the
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 6: floor fifty nine point three Jason, So they're rebounding the ball.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 6: Jason Hart averaging ten rebounds. Brunton's averaging twenty eight point
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 6: two points per game and five point eight assists. I
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 6: think the Knicks get it done tomorrow night. I'm sorry tonight,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 6: it's go to me tonight in the garden. Jijim McCollum
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 6: has played well for them, Dyson Daniels has played well,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 6: and Jellen Johnson has played well. However, they've got to
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 6: shoot the ball and have less turnovers. So I do
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 6: think that the Knicks events and there's a third seed,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 6: they beat the sixth seed Atlanta Hawks and go to
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 6: the second round.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: I mentioned this earlier.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: You believe that the Celtics are probably the best team
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: in the East. They have some experience in not only
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: the playoffs, but championship level basketball that's still on this roster.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: Can Philly force a game seven at least?
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 6: Absolutely, yes, The answer is yeah. Joe on Ebie's back now,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 6: so they have no answers. He'll unbeid. He's having twenty
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 6: nine point five points per game, seven rebounds and seven assists,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 6: and Terse Maxi is absolutely stretches the defense where he
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 6: can score the ball in traffic, over the top as
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 6: far as three points shooting, and he's a shot creative
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 6: for himself and for others. Now see the Celtics. They
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 6: live and die by the three. So the Celts, unfortunately,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 6: they're playing regular season basketball where they shoot a high
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 6: number of threes, and when they're off they get compromised,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 6: and so it's a huge risk involved. So if they
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 6: able to shoot threes and make them, they could advance,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 6: but if not, then the upset the seventh seed. The
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 6: seventy six Ers beat the two seed Celtics. And that's
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 6: the beauty of the playoffs is that every possession does matter.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 6: You've got to value the ball and also value the
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 6: shot of choice, whatever it is.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want to get completely off track here,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: but how much different would the NBA look in the
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: last decade if Joel Embiid was a consistently healthy player.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 6: Yes, they'd have probably a championship. The seventy six Ers,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah they would. The coach, Nick Nurse does a tremendous job.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 6: He's good, he's crafty, he's innovative. They play ZWN defense
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 6: a lot of times to try to try to off
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 6: balance the offensive team of the opponent. He's been hurt
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 6: basically last five years. He won one MVP so far.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 6: If he was healthy, relatively speaking, he'd be right there
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 6: with the Joker. And also with sha Jos Alexander. As
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 6: far as being a perennial MVP candidate, he can't stay
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 6: healthy right now. He's so far he's been good and
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 6: when he plays, the chance to winning for the seventy
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 6: six ers are much greater. Remember Sean seventy six are
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 6: again another proud franchise. And by the way, show remember
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 6: the time the seventy six is meaning the Eagles in football,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 6: they're booing Santa Claus and they're throwing snowballs at Santa
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 6: Claus during a playoff game.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 5: Sean Sean just saying, Sean.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: Gordy know this. You know this better than I. You
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: spent a lot more time on the East Coast. But
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: my sister in law, my brother's wife, is from Philadelphia
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: and so we've gone back several times family vacations, you
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: know whatever, Philly, And when we do our fights in
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: Atlantic City, you fly into Philly and then you take
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: take the shuttle to Atlantic City or whatever.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the AC Expressway.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: It really a lot of cities like they don't they
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: don't necessarily live up to the stereotype. I don't think
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: Salt Lake City does. I think there's a lot of
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: stereotypes about Salt Lake City, and it's not really like that.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: Even Vegas you cannot.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can have a great time in Vegas
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: that has nothing to do with the old Sin city
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: thing whatever. Philadelphia, maybe more than any other city I've
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: ever been to, exactly matches its reputation when it comes
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: to sports.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: Correct.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: The people there, the fans are the worst. If you're
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: an Eagles fan, or a Flyers fan, or a seventy
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: six Ers fan or a Phillies fan, you probably you're
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: probably just fine. If you're wearing anything else, someone's gonna
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: say something to you. And it's like at the airport,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: a guy in a shirt and tie is just gonna
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: be like a jazz suck.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: You're like, what is that a rivalry here?
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: There's no there's no history between the Jazz and the
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: seventy six ers that we need to worry about.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 6: They're just that way very much. And that they called
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 6: the City of Brotherly Love. Question Bok, Yeah, question Marcus,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 6: question bok. And also this this South Philly with the
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 6: crazy fans really basically a habitat and they have it
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 6: going right now. And so Philadelphia, hey, for the seventy
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 6: six ers, Now you're a fan there or just a
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 6: basketball officiado, is that you think you can upset the
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 6: proud Celtics will lead the NBA shown in most ever championships.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 6: They've won eighteen titles. Lakers have won seventeen. Now sean
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 6: Monday morning, we're going to find out this weekend who
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 6: advances and who doesn't. So we should get some Game sevens.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: We should great fight city, by the way, Philadelphia's they've
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: produced a bunch of great fighters, both MMA fighters and
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: obviously even more in the boxing world. All right, I
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: wanted to ask before we run out of time. I
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: wanted to make sure I asked you about this NCAA change.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: They're gonna go to seventy six teams in the NCAA tournament.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: It's expected to start next year. They're just like, they're
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: not wasted any time now. James gave us the best.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: The company line from the NCAA is like, well, there's
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: more Division one teams now, and we want about twenty
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: percent of these Division one teams to be involved in
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: the tournament. So in order to involved twenty percent of
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: the teams, we increase it to seventy six teams. We've
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: watched the last several years with sixty eight teams and
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: that's already well more than enough adding another eight. What
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: do you make of it?
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 6: I'm I'm against it. I am the quality of the tournament.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 6: I'm for I'm for every Here's what. Here's what I'm saying.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 6: If you go to you go keep advancing it, then
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 6: have everybody in then Sewan, have every team in Division
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 6: one plays in the tournament. Start start a week week
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 6: ten days earlier, have everybody in.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: Then January madness.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean as that I would do literally then, Sorry, Sewan.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 6: When it was sixty four, it was really good, it
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 6: was good. There's there's also also shown with nil. Money
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 6: also affects it. Now there's less upsets.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: Well, that that was the thing.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: Dramatically less upsets now, absolutely.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: That was the thing that bothered me most about this,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: right because no matter what, an expansion of this tournament
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: is just a money grab, right, no matter what they
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: try to tell you, what justification you're giving, it's to
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: bring in more advertising dollars, more television revenue, that kind
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: of thing. Okay, fine, I know that these university schools conferences,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: everyone needs to try to get as much of this
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: cash pie as they possibly can, But the product of
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: basketball on the floor since the NIL era and the
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: open transfer era has been deeply affected by like the
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: tournament itself doesn't look like it did five years ago
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: from a result standpoint, from an actual basketball product standpoint,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: And you could have made an easy case, Gordy, this year,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: last year, the year before, we actually don't need sixty
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: eight teams because now all the best players are on
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: like these twenty four teams. So let's not just make
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: it twenty four. Let's make it well at least thirty two.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: We could even do forty eight teams. But you can
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: make a case you don't even need sixty four right
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: now because of how condensed the talent is. Because Kentucky
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: and all the in Alabama and Oklahoma and UCLA, they're
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: getting the guys that used to be at Old Dominion,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: that used to be at George Washington, and they're bringing
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: them in and they're saying, all right, now, you're part
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: of this thing. So as we are shrinking the truly
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: relevant team pool, it makes even less sense to expand
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: the overall pool.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: Very much, Sean, the obvious is never obvious to the oblivious.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: I love that quote that's a Gordy chiaza ism I.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 6: Was saying after the last fifty years shown especially in practice.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 6: Oh by the way, the obvious is never obvious to
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 6: the oblivious, often to players that take quick shots in
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 6: a game that really shoot crooket most of the time. However,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 6: let's dd to this is that the NL money has
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 6: changed the landscape of a definitely the college football and
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 6: also with the power conferences, and also the also college basketball,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 6: where in yesteryear, I'm not living in the past, but
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 6: there was upsets more often where three for fourteen would
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 6: beat number three, or fifteen would beat number two, or
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 6: even if it wasn't upset Sewan, there were those seven
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 6: ten games were absolutely so intense where it was a
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 6: buzzer beaters to win it. Now it still happens, but
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 6: dramatically lesser in the next five years out of even
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 6: more so.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 5: And so I for keeping the way it is, if
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 5: not streamlining even more.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: At the end of the day, March Madness was special
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: because of Cinderella's stories. If you continue to strip away
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: the Cinderella stories, and I don't think that adding another
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: eight teams that are at the absolute bottom of the
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: tournament Barrel is going to create more Cinderellas.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 6: Speaking of Cinderella, Sean long time ago, when as a
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 6: Providence College we got to the Final four showing, our
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 6: team was called Cinderella and Converse.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 6: That was our nickname. We wore Converse and Cinderella because
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 6: we were and we evanced in the Watch madness. So
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 6: the second you said Cinderella, I thought about Converse. But
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 6: speaking of Chuck Taylors, exactly right, Chuck Tailor. I know
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 6: it sounds weird, well you know, Chuck Taylors, but it
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 6: was more better cushion on it, the heal and stuff.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 6: But Sean, just quickly, I know we're up to the
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 6: break right now as far as getting my list. But
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 6: agent de Bancer with Nike just signed, just signed the
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 6: new contract and he was getting four million for Nike
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 6: when he played for BYU. I don't know what the
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 6: new contract is, but he's going to be one of
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 6: the faces of Nike as they go forward.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: Well, we were talking about during the break the deal
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: that Lebron signed whatever twenty two years ago was almost
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: one hundred million dollars.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he signed seven years showing for ninety million dollars
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 6: back in May two thousand and three as a high
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 6: school player before the draft. So what is what are
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 6: these guys worth?
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 5: Now? I don't want to speculate, but it's a whole
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 5: bunch of money.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: Well, we did speculate yesterday on the reports about the
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: Steph Curry deal anywhere from seven hundred and fifty million
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: to over a billion allegedly being.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: Offered to him.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: Uh and by the way, he already made like four
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: hundred plus million from under armour, plus what he got
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: from his NBA career so far. I mean, and his
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: wife does very well with all of her business ventures,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: like the Curries. He's gonna he's gonna buy a team
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: at some point.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 6: Very much in the NBA would like that, all right,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 6: So here's somebody. Here's so many elite players, the top
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 6: tier the Nike he has with under contract as far
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 6: as partnerships.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: This is the list for the day, right, Yeah, okay, No,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: it's no, it's not okay, okay, but so quickly Lebron.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 6: James, Kevin Durant, Jannis, Devin Booker, Kate Cunningham, Victim went Beyamba,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 6: oh my, Jason Tatum, Luca Dantage, Jalen Brunson and Ace Belly.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 5: Those are some of their names.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're doing all right, Nike. So as they go
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: stable of tower. You got that both both young and old.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 6: My list today, Sean and I have a question for
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 6: you about the NFL. So they keep your tenor it's
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 6: a very short list. The NBA players with the most
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 6: Korea Playoff game wins. Players with the most Korea Playoff
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 6: wins number thirteen Michael Jordan one hundred and nineteen wins,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 6: number twelve all time, Byron Scott one hundred and twenty,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 6: number eleven, Magic Johnson one twenty eight, number ten, Shaquille
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 6: O'Neal one twenty nine, tye for number eight, Kobe Bryant
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 6: and Manu Ginobili eighth place all time with one hundred
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 6: and thirty five victim number seven all time. Scottie Pippin
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 6: won thirty six, number six all time. Tony Parker won
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 6: thirty seven, number five all time. Kareem Abdul Jabbar one
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 6: fifty four fourth all time, Interesting Sean Robert Horry fourth
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 6: all time.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: Big Shot Bob Man, big shot Bob.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 6: You're exactly right, Sean one fifty five, number three missed
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 6: the fundamental. Tim Duncan won fifty seven. The second most
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 6: Korea wins in playoff basketball history is Derek Fisher with
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 6: one sixty one, and the all time leader in Korea
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 6: victories he played for the Calves to Heat and now
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 6: the Lakers is Lebron James with one hundred and eighty
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 6: seven victories. Quickly, let you visit Michael Jordan's one nineteen.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 6: Michael won one hundred and nineteen playoff games and only
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 6: one hundred and seventy nine games, which means that Michael
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 6: Jordan won sixty five point five percent of every playoff
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 6: game that he played in with the dominant force. Quickly,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 6: Jazz basketball. Who's the leader in most franchised wins as
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 6: far as playoffs? That's John Stockton with eighty nine. Thus, Sean,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 6: that's my list of today.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: Michael Jordan was what what was his win percentage of
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: the playoffs? Sixty five point five sixty five point five
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: of playoff victories.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 5: All right, Sean, here's the question for you.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 6: Most Korea playoff wins by NFL quarterback Top three. Most
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 6: Korea playoff wins by an NFL quarterback Top three.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: Tom Brady Gotta be up there. Yes, Joe Montana, Yes,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: you know Sean, you.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: Know you know Aaron. No, not Aaron.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 6: I'll give you a hint. You've got barbecue there if
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 6: I had barbecue at his restaurant.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 5: No, in that city.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 6: Where if I had barbecue all the time, I'm blanking
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 6: the homes.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: Oh of course, all.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 6: Right, here we go. Joe my Town has six. Joe
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 6: my Town a third all time with sixteen playoff wins,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 6: number two, Patrick Mahomes with seventeen, and Tom Brady with
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 6: thirty five Korea playoff wins out of forty eight games.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 6: So Tom Brady is like Michael Jordan of the NFL.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 6: So I love I have to quate to see barbecue.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 6: I knew shown that second I said it. You're getting hungry.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 5: It's good will.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: It distracted me.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: That's the problem is I started to think about food
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: and I lost sight of the quarterbacks.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: I was just picturing ribs in my mind.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 6: So no, it just shows you the old kidding aside, though,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 6: is that if you have an elite player in your
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 6: team you've got you've gotta really love it because that
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 6: that one player is a leadership position. He can really
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 6: carry a franchise with his trusted sidekicks.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: Gordy, you're the man. I always love catching up with you.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: Thanks for coming in again.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 5: Thanks sewing peace out.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: That's Gordy Chiesa, our resident NBA guru. By the way,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: the win percentage on Lebron James' illustrious playoff career sixty
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: three point two percent, So not quite as percentage wise
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: successful as Michael Jordans. That's always the comparison, even if
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: Lebron would admit that people compare. All right, we're gonna
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  Speaker 4: That's tough news, as tough news for the University of Utah, who,
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  Speaker 3: This one.
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  Speaker 2: This is a business of sports story that has my
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  Speaker 2: mind completely blown. Live Golf as a new board of directors,
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  Speaker 2: they are attempting. They're on life support right now, the
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  Speaker 2: same Live Golf that was funded with what we thought
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  Speaker 2: was just kind of a bottomless pit of money by
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  Speaker 2: the Saudi Public Investment Fund. It's expected that the PIF
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  Speaker 2: is going to announce they will not fund live Golf
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  Speaker 2: beyond this season. Problematic because the business model for live
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  Speaker 2: golf was not a business model at all. At first.
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  Speaker 2: The business model was just we have more money than you,
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  Speaker 2: and we're going to steal things that we want from you,
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  Speaker 2: with no regard to return on investment, with no regard
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  Speaker 2: to whether or not this is actually going to take
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  Speaker 2: off the way that we wanted to. They did it
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  Speaker 2: backward in live golf, where they did not have a
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: television platform to show the athletes that they were signing.
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  Speaker 2: They did not have corporate sponsors because they didn't feel
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  Speaker 2: like they needed them. They did not have robust partnerships
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  Speaker 2: with courses and tour locations and travel companies and logistics,
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  Speaker 2: and most importantly, with broadcast broadcast broadcasts, live golf became invisible,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: unfortunately because they didn't establish any of these things, and
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  Speaker 2: they just expected, well, look, we've got you know, five
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  Speaker 2: of the best ten players, the most popular players in
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: the world, so come watch us, and people are like, okay,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: where like.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, it was YouTube at first.
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  Speaker 2: We got to figure that out, maybe on YouTube for
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: a while, and then people like that is a massive
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: turn off for people. I can tell you that being
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: part of a startup sports league, as I have been
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: with the PFL for the last seven eight years or so, like,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: we're the opposite right where we have a really robust
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: broadcast partnership. We've got a better than deserved place on broadcast.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: This weekend, we're on ESPN, you know what I mean,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: Like as a relatively new product in the MMA space. Honestly,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: when we signed that deal seven years ago, we had
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: no business being on big boy ESPN. But the right
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: people were in the right place and got the thing done.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: Live golf was the opposite. We were like, Okay, let's
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: make sure we can get the talent. Let's make sure
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: that we have the fights, but we have a great
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: broadcast deal. Live golf was just like, well, as long
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: as we have the golfers, if you build it, they
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: will come. And that's not how golf is, especially when
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: you've got a heritage brand like the PGA, and you've
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: got viewers who are habituated to certain things and certain
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: channels and certain announcers and certain everything, and live golf
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: through an insane amount of money or I guess the
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: PIF through live golf through a bunch of money at
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: a bunch of people.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: And by the way, like some turned it down.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: Tiger Woods reportedly turned down something like seven hundred million
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: dollars to be part of live golf. He's already a billionaire,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: doesn't need to make decisions based on money whatever. And
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: there's now exploratory conversations happening between live players who spurned
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: the PGA with the PGA, like, hey, can I come
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: back to the PGA. There were some bridges burned, but
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: now you've got to try and rebuild those things.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: And one of the bridges that one of the mechanisms
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: for these burning bridges was a class action lawsuit, by
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: the way, so people put their names on hey, we
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 4: are so ANTIPGA tour for these reasons, the reasons listed
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: in the lawsuit.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: We're putting our names on this.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 4: So yeah, those guys Bryson to Shamba most notably on
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: who are part of that lawsuit gonna have a tough
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 4: time going back to the PGA tour if and when
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 4: Live closes up shop.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: I'm just just.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: Guessing this has got to be so gratifying for the
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: PGA golfers that turned down, in some cases hundreds of
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: millions of dollars to see that, Like, okay, I was
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: probably vindicated in that. And even then it's debatable because
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: if you're like Patrick Reid and you could go cash
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: in huge and still come back eventually and play for
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: the PGA, even serving like a one year band, you're like, well, yeah,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it kind of sucks that I
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: lost a little popularity with all you guys that are
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: on tour with me now, but you know, it makes
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: me feel better about it.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: One hundred million dollars that the Saudis gave me.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 4: Also, he had no popularity, so like exactly, but but
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: Thomas or whatever, yeah.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he he he'd be one.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: Dustin Johnson, he'd be one h Brooks Koepka came back
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: to the tour.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: He actually did it.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: Uh. When they were offering, they offered like a for
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 4: a few months, like a come back to the tour
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: like period, like where where we give it. There's still
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: some you still have to suffer some penalties, but you
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: don't have to You're not going to be banned a
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: year kind of thing.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: Kopka took his chance during that time. Uh, Patrick Reid
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 4: and a couple others waited later. That's why they they're
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 4: serving the one year ban. I just I if if
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: and when bryceon de Shambo, for example, decides to try
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: to go back to the PGA tour, and he's going
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: to if Live closes up shop and we'll see, maybe
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: they won't. They're they're trying hard to stay open here.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: I'm very curious how steep of penalties, what steep sanctions
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: he's going to be they're going to be put on
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: him and some of the other guys that were notable
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: guys that were on that class action lawsuit, because I mean,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: Bryson's another guy who's not very popular, not quite as
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 4: unpopular as Patrick Reid, but he made a lot of
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: villains both among his fellow players and in the PGA
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: Tours' offices and the executive's offices there. I mean, I'm
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: curious what that will be when, if, and when he
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: tried to go back to the tour.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: So five billion is therough figure that is being reported
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: that the PIF spent on live golf.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: Ultimately it could be a failed experiment. We'll see one
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: hundred million a month this season. By the way, way,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: it's part of that five billion.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: John Rahm again, according to what's Google's AI gemini? Is
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: that what it's called. Yeah, that brings you the AI
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: overviews of everything, which I kind of hate, but here
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: I find myself you.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 4: Kind of can't ignore them at the same time, there
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: is because it's top of the page right there, and
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: they're a nice summary of things.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, John ram Is at about one hundred million dollar range,
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: Dustin Johnson's sixty five million, Bryce Into Shambo fifty eight million,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: Sergio Garcia pushing fifty million, Brooks Koepka at a one
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: hundred million dollars signing bonus reportedly plus forty four million
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: dollars worth of prizes. So five years of controversy for
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: lack of a better term in your career, in your
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: field where you want to be respected, you want to
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: nobody out there, even the people are just like, I
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: don't care what people think. Yes, you do everyone. It's smoother,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: it's better, it's easier if you are respected and valued
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: in your in your field among your peers. Would you
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: trade that for one hundred and fifty million dollars for
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: a five year period for one hundred and fifty million
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: dollars And most people will probably say yes to that.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: I will be unpopular, I will have to have some
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: hard conversations with my friends and tour mates. I will
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: make that sacrifice in exchange for one hundred plus million dollars.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: Most people are gonna say yeah.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: So the Saudis, By the way, this is a rounding
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: error for a trillion dollar public investment fund. They're just like, Ah,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: that sucks, we lost five billion. They've thrown money at
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff. They threw money at us in
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: the PFL for a while, they threw money at the UFC.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: More recently, they've thrown an insane amount of money at
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: the WWE, which is also part of the company that
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: is now ownership of the UFC and WWE or under
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: Tko whatever, they've thrown insane amounts of money at boxing.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: They've got the.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 4: Saudi Soccer League that had that had Christiana Ronaldo for
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: a minute.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: Christiano Ronaldo money. I've been in the same building as
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: Christiano Ronaldo twice in my life. I've been twelve feet
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: away from Cristiano Ronaldo. And the reason is not because me.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: It's because of Saudi money. Because the Saudi has had
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: us over there for a PFL event, and he is
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: playing in Saudi Arabia, getting like four hundred million dollars
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: a year to play against a bunch of dudes that
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: can't hold his jock.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: It's the wildest thing in the world. It's like it's
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 4: like Jimmer dominating in China. Like it's it's a really
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: good college basketball player playing against a bunch of lesser
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 4: of basketball players.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: And by the way, is the most favorable comparison that
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: Jim or the king of favorable comparison, You're like Christiano Ronaldo,
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: Jim Or You're like the Christiano Ronaldo of China. I'm
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: gonna look up.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 4: Stefan Marberry also played played well in Chida.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: He's still not Christiano Ronaldo caliber. I don't know. Yeah,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: he has.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: Christiano Ronaldo signed with al Masser and he'll be forty
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: two when his contract is over. This is his second
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: Saudi contract. I don't know what the first one is worth.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: But he's been given fifteen percent ownership in the club
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: and two hundred million dollars per year.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 4: And I bet you I don't know for sure. Maybe
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: the soccer maybe the Saudi Soccer League is better televised
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: than some of the other events. But I'll bet you
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 4: that Leonel Messi, his main rival, is getting way more
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: exposure from MLS, making a lot less money. But also
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 4: I think he's got some ownership stakes somewhere too.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: I believe that was the reason he came over. I
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: think that David Beckham was just like, you can have
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: part of Inter Miami win. Do you want fifty of
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: this thing to come and play for us for three
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: years or whatever?
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 4: But he's getting a lot less a lot less money
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: in salary. But even MLS, I will bet you was
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: he's getting a lot more worldwide exposure than Christiano Ronaldo
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 4: has gotten from from the Saudi Soccer League.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: But hey, maybe that I.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 4: Mean, like you said, these athletes motivations probably simply were
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 4: do you know how much they're paying me?
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: I don't care about anything else.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, most of these athletes, like Cristiano Ronaldo's
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: got family, right, He's got kids. By the way, he
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: scored yesterday they won two zero. I'll masser, I know
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: that you were you were well, yeah, actually I already
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: knew that. There's actually a very dim it's actually very
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: hilarious viral video. I don't know how viral it was,
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: but a video of Cristiano Ronaldo receiving like the Saudi
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: Football Association's MVP award, like Golden Boot or whatever, at
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: some awards banquet and everyone knows who it's going to.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: When they're sitting there and they make the announcement, they're
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: just like Christiano Ronaldo, no expression, Like he's just like,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: I don't even want to be at this dinner. What
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: am I doing here?
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 4: He's like he's like, yeah, great, I'm the world's tallest
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 4: short guy.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: And this, by the way, this would be like I
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: know that there's athletes who are like, they have integrity
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: and they can like this would be my ultimate dream,
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: like send me to some random place for four years,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: five years, pay me some ungodly amount of money. And
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: I just get to like play football against seventh graders.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: You get to be you could be the.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 4: Best among some of the worst, among professional athletes in
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 4: the world.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: In the land of the blind, the one eyed man
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: is king. My dad used to say that all the time.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: You'd be the one eyed man.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: I'll be the one eyed man. Like I've got no
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: pride when it comes to something like this, like, hey,
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: I'm going to the Philippines and playing in their professional
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: American Football league.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be the best player they've ever seen.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna be the quarterback, the running back, the linebacker.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: And everyone to be like, dude, that's so lame, that's
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: not even cool. Be like, it's two hundred million dollars cool,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: and that's all I care. Look at all the MVP
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: trophies I have. All right, it's amazing, But yeah, Live
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: Golf looks like it's gonna dry up.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: Five billion dollars gone.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 4: The They're making a last stitch effort. As you read,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 4: They've hired a couple of investment bankers to be on
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 4: their new.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: Board of directors.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 4: We'll see if we'll see if they can survive somehow
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 4: I won't bet on that.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: We talk about it all the time in sports. You
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: can't directly buy wins. You think you can, you want to.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: We see college programs trying to do but we see
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: Major League Baseball teams trying to do it. You can't
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: just purchase your way to championships and victories. You would
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: think if you had five billion dollars you could purchase
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: relevance in the world of golf, and Live was not
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: able to do it so far.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 4: I don't think we've had a live play Correct me
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 4: if I'm wrong text nine eight seven seven three five
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 4: three zero seven hundred. I don't know if we've had
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 4: a current an active live player win one of the
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: four majors in golf. Even we've had them contend. Bryce
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 4: and de Shamba pushed Roy McElroy in last not this
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 4: past Masters, with the year before, but and and others
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: have contended. But I don't know if we've had one win.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 4: It could be wrong about that. Again, feel free to
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 4: feel free to correct me on the text nine eight
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 4: seven seven three five three zero seven hundred. So not
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 4: even buying relevance outside of your league with the best,
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 4: with arguably the best players in the world at the
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 4: top of your league.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know how golfers are wired, right There's the
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: old adage like it's hard to get out of bed
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: to go for a run when you're sleeping in silk sheets,
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: where like, the more success you have as an athlete,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: oftentimes it demotivates you. There's plenty of outliers to this.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: There's plenty of guys. I mean, the NBA is the
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: best example of it. There's plenty of NBA guys who
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: are pushing that billionaire status and they're still competing incredibly hard.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: Lebron James is the best example of it right now.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know how golfers are but I wonder if
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: it's just like, hey, man, hard to go to the
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: range when you could just be like sitting on a
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: beach with your wife instead.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 4: Well, guaranteed money has been talked about from golf experts
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 4: like Paul Pugmyer and others around the golf universe as
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 4: a reason why these guys haven't done as well in
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 4: the majors compared to their PGA Tour peers. The PGA
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 4: Tour piers, they don't get guaranteed money on the golf course.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 4: They have to make cuts to make money, and so
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 4: if they have bad if they have a bad first
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 4: couple of days on every one of their tournaments, they
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 4: will make zero dollars from golfing. A lot of them
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: have endorsement money coming in, so they make their living
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 4: that way even if they don't make the cuts. But
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 4: live golf, that's all that money is guaranteed they The
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 4: other thing is they only play three days worth of
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 4: golf so versus four.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: So when you play majors, that's four days.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 4: So them not being conditioned enough to last all four
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: days has been something else that's been speculated to why
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 4: they're not doing it. But the guaranteed money thing, I
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 4: think there probably is something to that. Or these golfers
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 4: are like, I have to grind because I won't get
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 4: a paycheck if I don't make it to the weekend.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 4: Live golfers are like, it doesn't matter what I do,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 4: I get my paycheck.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: I would love to know and maybe we could make
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: this happen somehow.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: I'd love to talk to Turkey al al chic Er,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: somebody from the sports ministry associated with the Public Investment
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: Fund in Saudi Arabia and find out which of the
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: sports ventures that they have tried has the greatest return
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: on investment. Obviously it's not live golf because they're shutting
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: it down, but the soccer thing, is it worth it
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: paying Christiana and all of that money. There's a basketball
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: league over there? Is the Formula one stuff that they've
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: invested in. Is that making sense for them? It's probably boxing.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: I think there's been a bunch of big boxing events
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: in the Kingdom, like World championship events. They've kind of
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: taken over that place, and they've now decided to outsource
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: some of that and say, like, it's still a PIF event,
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: but we're gonna do it in London instead. I don't know,
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: maybe we'll get an answer to that. We got to
• 1:40:48
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• 1:40:50
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• 1:40:52
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• 1:40:55
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• 1:40:57
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• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: we talked a lot about Utah with the private equity
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: in bringing bringing that into the athletic department. Now the
• 1:41:09
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  Speaker 4: I mean, there's always lots going on in Miami, but
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 4: as far as golf.
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  Speaker 3: Besides Will Smith standing on a beach singing about.
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• 1:43:23
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, technically they will be going home
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  Speaker 4: one more game in Denver. Okay, all right, Cameron Young
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 4: is your leader at the Miami Championship.
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  Speaker 3: He is eight under.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 4: He's finished with his day, so he enters the clubhouse
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  Speaker 4: to play. He's at seven under. Alex Smalley's in third
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  Speaker 4: handful of guys including Andrew Putnam, Gary Woodland continuing the
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  Speaker 4: in golf tournaments after all he's been through. He's still
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  Speaker 4: for fourth at four under. Min Wu Lee as well
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  Speaker 4: is in that group as well, tied for four under.
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  Speaker 4: He's still in he's a back nine still in progress.
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  Speaker 4: Tied for eighth is a whole host of guys, Justin Thomas,
• 1:44:38
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  Speaker 4: for eighth at three under. That rounds out your top
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  Speaker 4: ten at the Miami Championship. Some big names in this tournament,
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  Speaker 4: Quick correction, I said nobody, no active live golfer as
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  Speaker 4: Shambo beat out Rory McElroy in the twenty twenty four
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  Speaker 4: They took from the PGA Tour only one major one
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  Speaker 4: in five years. I mean, that's that's not great record
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  Speaker 1: To one half end.
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  Speaker 2: John Ollien is going to join us at one point
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: thirty TALC a little NHL playoff, Stanley Cup playoffs. He's
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: the voice of the Anheim Ducks. You can hear him
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: on Sports USA. Ducks Oilers Game sixy and Anaheim tonight
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: on TNT.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: Ducks are up three to two with a chance to advance.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: Nobody has beat the Western Nobody in the Western Conference
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: has beat the Oilers in the playoff series since the
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three playoffs. They were back to back Western
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: Conference champions. Obviously in twenty four and in twenty five.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: McDavid's not one hundred percent healthy right now, so we'll
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: get into all that as we check around the Western Conference.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: But this is again another story on the business of
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: sport and as it might affect things here in our state.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: We discussed a lot about the University of Utah's landmark
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: announcement they were going to be partnering with Ultro Capital
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: and bringing in private equity to college sports, and the
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: real effects of that are so far very mysterious around
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: Utah football, very specifically, and the timeline on it was
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: always going to be, like the budget for this year
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: was already kind of approved, push through the university was
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: already good, had figured it out. Some things changed in
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: terms of, you know, having to pay Kyle Whittingham a
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: buyout as he goes to Michigan paying him not to
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: coach at the University of Utah is something I'm never
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: going to be okay with. But for the most part,
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: you had your budget including nil distributions and things like that,
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: already set before the Ultro Capital deal was signed, sealed,
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: and delivered. Still a massive announcement. Now, the Big Twelve Conference,
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: the whole conference is opening up the possible ability of
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: private equity, a five year private capital deal with in
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: this case, Redbird and Weatherford Capital. No other college conference
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: has yet done this. The Big Ten, i think, was
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: talking about it even before the Big Twelve was talking
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: about it, but some of their member institutions, namely Michigan,
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: were pushing back and saying, no, that's not a good
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: idea for us. The cliff notes of this Redbird Capital
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 2: and Weatherford Capital partnership for the Big Twelve twelve and
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: a half million dollars goes to the league office to
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: help with revenue generation. Brett Or Mark and his crew
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: are going to have to find in you know, creative
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: and interesting ways to deploy that capital for the benefit
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: of the conference itself. Each sixteen member. Each of the
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: sixteen members institutions can also access a credit line of
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: up to thirty million dollars I think per season. The
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: governance change is moot. There's no board of governor seats
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: like in the Ultro Capital case. We saw what that
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: was going to look like at the University of Utah.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: They were going to have.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: You know, there's private equity people helping make business decisions,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: revenue generation decisions. The football stays with the football, the
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: basketball stays with the basketball. In this case, according to
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: Brett your mark, these investors, these capital partners, these private
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: equity firms will have no ownership, no decision making power,
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: no operational responsibilities. In the Big Twelve Conference, a five
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: year deal that will run through twenty thirty one. What
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: does it actually mean? What does it look like like? Well,
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: the shortest answer there is that your athletic departments, who
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: most of whom are either struggling or just just figuring
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: it out, like just getting by sharing revenue with student
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: athletes to the tune of twenty one million dollars ish.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: They now have access to thirty million dollars more. That's
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: coming from an external source. It's it's debt though, it's
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: a credit line. And the hope, as far as I
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: can tell, pardon me is a deal. That is, they're
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: building this around the value of future television contracts. So
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: whatever you think is going to be the next television
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: distribution deal for the universities in this conference, they're basically
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: taking this if they do take it as an advance
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: on those revenues shares. This is an extension of the
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: concern that people threw out there when Utah decided to
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: be the first individual institution to make a deal like
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: this one. We were told Ultro Capital hundreds of millions
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: of dollars, what does it actually look like? We again,
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: we will see sooner than later, I think, But right
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: now the Big twelve Conference is trying to close the gap.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: Utah has already done this. I don't think Utah will
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: likely opt in to the thirty million dollars of extra
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: debt that they want to give to Redbird Capital. Maybe
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: there's something in their deal with Ultro Capital that prohibits
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: them from doing it. Maybe I'm completely up in the
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: night and everyone at the University of Utah right now
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: is just like, wait a second, we can get another
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: thirty million over the money that we're already getting from
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: our individual private equity firm. Yeah, let's go, let's do this.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: That's there's going to be a point where you have
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: to pay the piper. But there is up to thirty
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: million dollars in cash available two member institutions of the
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: Big Twelve conference to try to close that gap, to
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: improve facilities, to improve salaries, to pay players more. Sustainability
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: is a massive question with all of these things, because
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: you are not This is not benevolence, this is not
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: booster donation. This is now a private equity firm. That's
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: entire business. Their entire business model is to take pieces
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: of things in order to receive some of the profit
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: from those things. In banking on the future the future
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: value of a television contract makes this for me a
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: lot more complicated and convoluted to the point where I'm like,
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: am I talking about this the right way on my
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: own dang radio show? Because I see the league office
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: can get twelve million bucks? Okay? Cool? How are they
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: going to use that? What is that actually gonna do?
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: Is Brett or Mark got to say, well, I've got
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: this college roommate that I really like and he now
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: gets a million dollar salary, or is it going to
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: be like this million dollars is going to be spent
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: on Initiative X that is going to bring more eyeballs
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: to our conference? What are the The thing that helps
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: the conference thrive is winning? And the chicken in the
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: egg argument once again rears its hideously ugly head. The
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: point of this deal is to bring in a chicken.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: If you don't know whether the chicken or egg. Does
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: success beget money or does money beget success?
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 3: Right now, it's just.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, well, let's let's figure out if money begets success.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: BYU has already stated that they're not going to get
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: private equity involved in their in their athletic department.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 3: It was not one.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: Hundred percent unequivocal, but it was like ninety nine point
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: nine percent unequivocal. That BYU was like, yeah, we will
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: not be doing this, we will not be exploring the same.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: And this was when UTAH made its announcement with the
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: Ultro Capital deal. BYU's response was just like, we won't
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: be doing that. And it's obvious why, right Redbird Capital
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: doesn't have as much.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 3: Money as the LDS Church does. Also, it's obvious.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 4: Why they would make why they would say that at
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 4: that time, They're they're trying to say we're different from
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 4: our rivals, and no doubt, no doubt B y U
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 4: fans back then and are still now going as this
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 4: deal has been announced, are still now trying to take
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 4: a victory parade at like, yes see, we're better than
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 4: private equity.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 3: It's like, okay, whatever.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 4: At some point, you might be in a place where
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 4: you might say, we might have different ideas, we might
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 4: have different conceptions around private equity, starting with this Utah
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 4: deal and now this Big twelve deal, maybe where you
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 4: might be like, you know, let's take some of that money,
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 4: so I don't let's let's hold off on some of that.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: Well, they're not going to because because in the case
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: of being like private equity is for some people they
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: call it a necessary evil. I don't even know if
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: it's evil. It's just it's the nature of business. It's
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: it's capitalism at work in our society and in the
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: business world.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: It's the thing of the day as far as capitalism goes.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: And you know what, like if you need it to
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: launch your business, if you need it to expand your brand,
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: if you need it to get your product into X
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: amount of stores or whatever, by all means like listen
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: to the offers figure out if it makes sense for you, wonderful. Great,
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: It's not a necessity for BYU, and it isn't now
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: and it never will be because BYU, the LDS Church,
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 2: the parent company over BYU, the parent institution over BYU,
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: has more money in their coffers than Redbird Capital does.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: They have more assets under management than red Bird Capital does.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: It would be like going to your little brother who's
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: just getting started out in the world and has been
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: working full time for ten minutes and being like, I
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: know I already own my home and my cars are
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: paid off, but can I borrow some money from you?
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 3: I will pay you back? Can I borrow some money
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 3: from you?
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: And they might be like, well, yeah, we'd love to
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: get involved in what you're doing. What are you going
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: to use this money for? Well, I'm going to use
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: is it to? You know? Like, but I'm gonna increase
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: the value of my home and then when I sell
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: my home, you'll get a get a little bump back.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 2: You'll make ten percent on your money. Your little brother
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 2: might be like, okay, cool, I'd like to sure, I'd
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: like to do that, But for you, it makes absolutely
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 2: no sense because you're just like I can pay for
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: the improvement on the home and I could take the
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: profit that comes out with it. BYU doesn't have to
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: do this, Utah, I think I think the Outro Capital
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: deal means you shouldn't have to do it either. Now,
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 2: maybe you take two bites at the Apple and you say, well,
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: Oultro Capital, that's we've already figured it out. It's this
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 2: much money, this is the debt structure, this is the rate,
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: this is what they get. Maybe this one with the
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 2: Big twelve is more favorable.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, if you can, if you if you can
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 4: work it out with O Trow that you're able to
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 4: take some of this too. I don't know why they
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 4: I don't know why they would turn that down, but maybe.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 4: But that's the thing, like Outro might be like, no,
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 4: like you're using our money. We're not letting another company.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 3: We don't want to. We don't want to.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: We want to dilute our ownership by you taking And look,
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: these are board meeting, big business like probably not the
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: funnest thing for sports talk radio type discussions, but ultimately
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: it affects the conference that this team plays in. I think, James,
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: what we're looking at here is a Big twelve conference
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: that is infusing cash from private equity. And here's the
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: institutions that we know won't take it. BYU right now.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: BYU is a major power in the revenue producing sports.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: They got a great thing going on in football right now.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: They've got a great thing going on in basketball right now.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: They're not going to take the money. Questionable on who
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: will take the money or not if it becomes available
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 2: through this private equity deal Utah because of their previous
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: partnership Texas Tech, because again, do they need to take it?
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 2: They don't. It doesn't feel to me like Texas Tech
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 2: is chasing anybody in the conference from a revenue standpoint.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: If I'm Texas Tech, I'm looking at it and I'm
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: going I'm making a phone call and being like, hey,
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: Cody Campbell, and what's the what's the name of the fund?
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: The Red Raider one. What's it called? It's something like.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 3: Zoro related or something.
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 2: It'll come to a Matador, the Matador Club, Thank you, Hey,
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: Matador Club. Do we need to take this extra thirty
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: million dollars from a private equity?
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 3: Well, what are we trading off?
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 2: Well, like we're giving them a piece of what we're
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 2: doing through the conference, at least through our conference partnership,
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: we're giving them a piece of our future television rights
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: distribution allotment. When we get the whatever it is, fifty
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: million dollars per school per year from CBS paramount, we
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: actually now have to give back thirty five million of
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: that per year because we've taken that in advance from
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 2: this whatever the structure is, right, they're.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 3: Giving us this much in advance.
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the Matador Club and Cody Campbell are
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: probably like, well, what do you need it for. Well,
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: we want to bring in better coaches, we want to
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 2: bring in better athletes, and they're the Matador Club, I
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 2: think is like, what are you talking about? And I've
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 2: already given you the money to do that.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 4: Why don't you just give us a percentage of the
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 4: athletic department. You don't need it, you don't need to,
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 4: you don't need this to this.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 2: So I think what we're looking at, at least in football,
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 2: I don't think Texas Tech needs to be part of
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: this BYU won't be part of it under any circumstance.
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 2: I hope Utah doesn't need to be part of this
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 2: because they've already extended themselves and leveraged themselves in the
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 2: ultro capital deal.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 3: So I think you've got those.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 2: Are the three powers. The three most relevant national football
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 2: teams are the three most relevant teams on a national
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 2: level in the conference that are just probably gonna be
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 2: like thank you Brett or Mark, but no, thank you.
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 4: I wonder I wonder Kansas. I mean I'm not on
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 4: the basketball, not on the football side, but on the
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 4: basketball side. You wonder if Kansas might be in a
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 4: position where were like, do we need this?
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the other thing, right is every this is
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 2: a voluntary thing for the institutions. Utah is not the
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: only university that was having these conversations. They were the
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: first movers. They were the risk takers, They were the
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 2: ones to close the deal first.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 3: They were the ones that were just like, yeah, we're
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 3: gonna do this.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: We're going And it wasn't like there was a cascade
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 2: of people following them in the conference or elsewhere. If
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: you're Colorado, you're probably just like, yeah, dude, we're leveraged
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: to the hilt. We're paying Dion ten million bucks a year,
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: give me this thirty million bucks. Yeah.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 4: Because they have not they have not been able to
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 4: take advantage of the dion flash and stuff, other than
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 4: the guys that he already brought with him when he
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 4: came to Colorado, his sons and Travis Hunter.
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 2: They just lost Jordan Seaton, Who's he's gonna be at
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 2: LSU this year.
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 3: Hey, they brought in Isaac Wilson though.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: I mean so, but you're looking at I think you're
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: looking at a situation where the three of the top
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: five most relevant athletic departments in the conference are most likely,
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 2: based on what I think I know, gonna say nah,
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 2: we don't want to be involved in this deal, Brett.
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: And what does that do to the relationship with the conference?
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 2: If Brett Ormark says, hey, President Randall Mark Harland, I
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 2: got you an extra thirty million bucks and they're just like,
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 2: no thanks, He's gonna be like, oh, really, I go
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 2: through all this trouble, I do all this work. Are
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 2: you gonna make me look bad? What does that do?
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 2: He probably expects the BYU is just gonna be like, yeah, dude,
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 2: we don't we don't need that. I don't want that.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 4: I would hope that he'd expect a no from Utah too,
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 4: Considering what we've just said about OAT I.
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: Think, but I think, I hope. I mean, he has
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: to have some brett Ormark knows more about the Ultro
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: Capital dealer. He should know more about the Ultro Capital
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 2: deal than we do. Yeah, he as it pertains to
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: the University of Utah yaht to have? How does it, Chick?
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, so if there's up to five hundred million
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: dollars available for the conference from these Redbird partners and
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: they're just like, well, yeah, we're ready to give thirty
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: million to BYU, thirty million to Kansas, thirty million to
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: Utah thirty million, And are any of these schools truly
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: in a position to say no if it's being offered
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: and are the terms so favorable?
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 3: Because one thing that I've learned.
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 2: In my real life and after getting my MBA Humble Brag,
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: is like I I came up with this understated what
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: I thought was an understanding that debt was bad. That
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: is gonna like, you can't bear yourself in debt, you
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: can't leverage yourself. Debt is a bad thing. And then
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: the more you learn about how businesses are built, how
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 2: billion dollar empires are built, they're just leveraging to the hilt.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 2: They're spending somebody else's money, bank's money, or whatever to
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 2: develop their business. There's not a lot of like Cody
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 2: Campbell's of the world walking around being like, yeah, well
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: I saved every quarter my grandma gave me for my allowance,
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 2: and that's how I built this billion dollar empire. So
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 2: maybe I need to eat everything that I just said.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: And maybe BYU is just gonna be like, yeah, dude,
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 2: you want to give us somebody else's money instead of
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 2: using the church's money.
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 3: Sweet.
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, I kind of take them at their word
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: when they said they'll never let private equity get involved
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: in BA athletics. But I think maybe it's more applicable
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: to Texas tech. Maybe Cody Campbell and the Matador Club
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: are sitting and just like, yeah, okay, if you gave
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: us good terms, I don't know what the percentage is,
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it looks like. Also, the one
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 2: thing that does make a lot of sense about this
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: for me, Redbird Capital has fifteen billion dollars in assets,
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: and that does include an interest in the Paramount Global Company,
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 2: which is CBS TNT Paramount Brett. Your mark has already
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: made a strong partnership between the Big Twelve Conference and
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 2: Professional Wrestling the WWE. The WWE their broadcast partner is Paramount.
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 3: The UFC.
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 2: Also owned by that same group, TKO Holdings. Their broadcast
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 2: distribution is on Paramount to the tune of one point
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 2: one billion dollars per year. So this might pay off
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: for the mere fact that you are now partnered with
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 2: the partner of the big spender in television and sports
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 2: distribution rights currently. Now that all goes away if Paramount
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 2: views themselves as a real player for the NFL, and
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 2: it's just like we could buy NFL rights.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 3: We've got the money to buy NFL rights.
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 2: They're gonna spend every last dime on NFL rights.
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 4: I mean considering Paramounts CBS, they're they're in there already.
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 2: So but that's coming up next year when you know,
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: when the deal comes up.
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they might just be like, we're gonna we're gonna
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 4: put all our money there in the new deal.
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 2: I mean that's and I only know this because I'm
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 2: getting triggered by then my own conversation.
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 3: The PFL.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: We're going to market now, right, and there's a bunch
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: of networks that are just like, yeah, yeah, we want
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 2: some sports content, but also these NFL rights are gonna
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 2: be up forbid, and we want to make sure we
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 2: haven't put too much out there in case we need
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 2: to cost some back to get like a single NFL
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 2: Thursday night game, because that's king.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 4: So a lot of a lot of networks just spend
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 4: a lot of money on NBA that was up a
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 4: year or so ago.
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 2: Too, World Cup, Olympics. These are all massive, massive, big
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 2: ticket television distribution deals that have been done recently or
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: are coming up very recently or coming up very quickly.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: So I don't hate the thought behind brett Ormark doing this.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: I think it's good for a commissioner and a conference
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: to acknowledge, hey, we got to do something because we
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 2: are losing ground and we are doing so rapidly. I
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: am as leery of the private equity thing as I
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 2: always was, even though I'm optimistic that it works out
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: well for the University of Utah. I just think it's
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 2: something that everyone's got to be careful with. And now
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: you have sixteen different institutions, or maybe it's fifteen because boy,
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 2: you already said no, but you have a dozen plus
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 2: institutions in the big twelve conference that are going to
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 2: be going through those conversations. Now, should we bring in
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 2: thirty million? And also, if we're gonna accept private equity,
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 2: why would we do it through the conference instead of
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: getting our own deal like Utah did. I mean, there's
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 2: a lot of moving parts here. Hopefully that didn't put
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 2: you to sleep. I know the business is not as
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 2: fun as the actual competition, so we'll get back into that.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 2: John Ollers, voice of the Anheim Duck Sports USA Hockey announcer,
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 2: is gonna join us to talk about Western Conference Stanley
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 2: Cup Playoffs. Double overtime loss for the Utah Mammoth last night,
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: they're down three to two. Does John and anyone else
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 2: around the league think that Utah can still pull this
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 2: series off. It's the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN seven
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 2: hundred and ninety two one FM.
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  Speaker 1: You're tuned to The Sean O'Connell Show from the Murder
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven and ninety two one a
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  Speaker 1: half m.
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  Speaker 2: I know you've been dialed in.
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 8: You've been focused only on this Las Vegas Golden Knights
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 8: Utah Mammoth series, double overtime thriller last night in Vegas
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 8: game six Friday nights at the Delta Center.
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 3: Make sure you can get there.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 2: If you can't, go to Big Willie's seventeen seventeen, South
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 2: Maine and join the watch party there.
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 3: They've got sign member Billia to give away.
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 2: Our next guest has a game six of his own
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 2: to worry about. Tonight, Ducks Oilers in Anaheim on TNT.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 2: The Ducks are up three to two. They've got a
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 2: chance to knock out the Oilers. Nobody's done that in
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: the Western Conference playoffs since twenty twenty three. John Aller's
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 2: voice of the Anaheim Ducks joins us. Now, Hi, John, Welcome,
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 2: How are you?
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  Speaker 9: I'm well, Shanna, how are you doing?
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 2: Great? Very excited to be talking a little Western Conference
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 2: playoff hockey.
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 3: Are we're newcomers still?
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 2: It feels like two years in and obviously this is
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 2: our first fora into the Stanley Cup playoffs with a
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: team of our own in Salt Lake City, and you know,
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 2: Anaheim has had more than that. You've you're died in
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 2: the role now you're an old veteran of these things.
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: Is the playoff hockey in the Western Conference, especially living
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 2: up to what your expectation was this year.
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 9: Well, I look at the two series that you and
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 9: I are most closely tied to, and there's a lot
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 9: of similarities. And that is you've got young teams that
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 9: haven't experienced the postseason in the Stanley Cup playoffs period
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 9: against veteran teams that have gone as far as you
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 9: can go, including Vegas having won the Stanley Cup four
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 9: years ago in twenty twenty two. So you know, it's
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 9: a dichotomy of the matchup. But the great thing about
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 9: the Stanley Cup playoffs is really all you're trying to
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 9: do is get in because you know, both Utah and
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 9: Anaheim were the lower seeds at times. Both of those
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 9: lower seeds have led in their respective series. I'm still
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 9: with a chance to close it out tonight at home
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 9: as the lower seeds. So you know, the beauty of
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 9: the Stanley Cup playoffs is you never really know what
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 9: to expect. Everybody over the course of the last few
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 9: years has gotten a customed to shut down hockey, tight games,
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 9: a lot of hard hitting physicality and and low scores.
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 9: And then you look at Anaheim and Edmonton and they've
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 9: combined for forty goals in five games, and were it
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 9: not for this series that probably the talker on the
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 9: National Hockey League would be that, you know that the
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 9: Utah Vegas series has been rather high flying five four
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 9: four three games there as well. And the speed that's
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 9: the other the other, you know, the other thing that
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 9: really reminds me of of of these two series, Utah
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 9: and Anaheim both have a lot of speed, much more
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 9: so than the teams they're playing against. So I believe
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 9: the Stanley Cup playoffs never fail to reach there, you know,
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 9: everything that we anticipate for them. But I think it's
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 9: a it's a fool's errand to try to think you
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 9: know what you're going to see this time of year.
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 2: I know that the coaches and players stay focused on
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 2: a game at a time, in a series on a time,
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 2: but we in the media and the fans, we get
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: to say, all right, let's see how this bracket lays out.
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 2: The winner of Anaheim Edmonton faces the winner of Las Vegas.
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 2: Utah from the Anaheim perspective is one of those preferable
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 2: for a second round matchup.
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 9: Well, it definitely depends on who you talk to. My
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 9: broadcast partner, Brian Hayward, and I have been working together
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 9: for twenty four years. He would prefer if Anaheim could
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 9: win this series to meet Vegas. The Ducks did sweep
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 9: Vegas this year in the regular season. I only met
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 9: three times, and I don't believe they've played since prior
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 9: to Christmas, so I don't know how much stock I
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 9: put in in that. For me, I would prefer the
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 9: Utah matchup because at least it would give Anaheim home
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 9: he's advantage, and this time of year, I always prefer
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 9: to have home mice rather than not. Even though the
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 9: numbers don't bear out that it's all that much of
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 9: an advantage in the Stanley Cup playoffs, Relatively speaking, compared
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 9: to the other sports, it's a much larger advantage. And
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 9: that's a whole other conversation because it really doesn't make
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 9: sense that it should be an advantage in hockey, but
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 9: it doesn't turn out to be, and you know, especially
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 9: for a young group, and the fact that Anaheim has
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 9: been very good at home this year. That's really the
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 9: only reason. Because I've talked to other people within our
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 9: organization and people that I respect within the media and
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 9: around this game, and they also believe that the better
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 9: matchup for Anaheim might be Vegas because of that speed
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 9: the Utah possesses and Utah does can play at times
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 9: with a great deal more defensive structure than what we've
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 9: seen with a great deal of consistency from Anaheim.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: Well, let's focus on the series that are being played
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 2: right now. I hope we get Anaheim Utah in the
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 2: second round.
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 3: Anaheim's got to do a little bit more work.
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 2: Utah's got to do a lot more work and win
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 2: two in a row if they want to make that happen.
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 2: With a chance to close it out for the Ducks
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: and to be the first team to beat Edmonton in
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 2: the Western Conference playoffs in a couple of years and
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: to keep the Oilers out of the Western Conference Championship
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: to Stanley Cup Final. What's it going to take from Anaheim.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 2: They're very different teams, the Oilers and the Ducks.
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 9: Anaheim's got to start a game better. They haven't scored
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 9: first in any game in the series. It's not terribly
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 9: indicative of a bad stretch for them because they don't
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 9: score first very often at all. You combine the regular
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 9: season in the postseason, Anaheim has They've allowed the first
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 9: goal fifty four times in eighty seven games this year
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 9: and that's over sixty percent and is not usually conducive
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 9: to a lot of success, but we've seen the game
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 9: change in the way Anaheim plays. One goal does not
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 9: a game make so, but they need a better start.
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 9: They've even they've had good starts in this series, but
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 9: what they need is their start to equate to something
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 9: on the scoreboard day. It's a young team and at
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 9: times this season they've been susceptible to playing really well
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 9: early in hockey games and not having anything to show
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 9: for it on the scoreboard. This is the time of
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 9: year when it's got a show on the scoreboard and
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 9: they need a good start. They also need a save Sean.
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 9: You know, their goaltender, Lucas de Staal has been great
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 9: all season. He's been in net for sixty one games
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 9: for them, and he also played for Chechia in the
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 9: Olympics in Italy in February. He's played a lot of
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 9: hockey and maybe that's what we're seeing from him right now.
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 9: But his save percentage is just a little above eighty
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 9: six percent in this series. And everyone will tell you
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 9: this time of year, it's not how many saves you make,
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 9: it's the timeliness of them. In Game four, Anaheim survived
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 9: and won in overtime to partial breakaways for Connor McDavid
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 9: in the final five minutes were stopped by Lucas do Stall.
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 9: In the last two games, he's given up a goal
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 9: on the first shot on goal. That doesn't speak to
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 9: the quality of the shots he's looking at, but timing
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 9: is everything, and Anaheim needs some saves from Lucas do Stall,
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 9: particularly early in hockey games.
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: Well, you just mentioned his name. Connor McDavid is, for
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 2: my money, the best hockey player in the world.
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 3: He's less than one hundred percent.
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 2: We're seeing a lot of highlights, and every one of
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 2: those highlights is Connor McDavid doing something impressive on the ice,
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 2: and then the camera zooming in as he's on the
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: bench grimacing, or they're taking him back to the dressing
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 2: room with a limp, or somebody's having to help him up.
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 2: How compromised is Connor McDavid's health from your perspective, Well,
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: I would.
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 9: Say he's probably he's probably performing it somewhere between seventy
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 9: five and eighty percent. But you know, I think we
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 9: could sit here all day and debate the fact that
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 9: I would take a seventy five percent. Connor McDavid over
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 9: just about any hockey player on the planet, and he's
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 9: proving that. I think he's had multiple points in each
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 9: of the last two games. He's now got six points
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 9: in the last three games of this series. This is
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 9: this is the quintessential cliche. You're not gonna shut him down.
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 9: You can hope to slow him down. Our injuries slowing
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 9: him down. I don't think there's any doubt. We won't
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 9: know until Connor McDavid's seasons over exactly how much he's
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 9: been playing through and what he's dealing with. But the
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 9: reality of it is, this is a guy who's not
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 9: gonna go down without a fight. One of the funniest
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 9: things I've seen recently was Chris Knablock, their head coach,
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 9: was asked on the the podium prior to Game five,
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 9: because he hadn't skated in the morning, if he was
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 9: a game time decision. No Block took the ball and
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 9: ran with it because of the way the question was
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 9: posed to him, and he said he will be a
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 9: game time decision. And the hockey world shuddered and everyone,
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 9: you know, their mouths were a gate. But Theottom line
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 9: was when you ask a coach a question like that,
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 9: if you word it that way this time of year,
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 9: he's gonna sure, he's gonna say game time decision. In
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 9: my mind, Connor McDavid was never a game time decision,
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 9: and he said as much after the game. This guy
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 9: is gonna play until the Oilers aren't playing. He is compromised.
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 9: To your point, I don't think there's any doubt. But
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 9: I don't think that really limits his effectiveness as much
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 9: as it might a lot of players.
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 2: What kind of advantage is the To me, it feels
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 2: and you could correct me if I'm wrong, Like the
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 2: Ducks are a deeper team than Edmonton. They might not
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 2: have the same star caliber, top flight guys, because who
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 2: does of a Conor McDavid and a Leon dry Sidle.
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 2: But even if you look at, you know, the minutes
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 2: distributions in some of these games, like they just they're
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 2: able to spread it out a little bit more as
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 2: we are getting now into Game six and a potential
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 2: game seven. Does that pay dividends for the Ducks?
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 9: I think it does, especially when I go back to
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 9: my original point in comparing the opponents. Edmonton's an older team.
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 9: They've played a lot of hockey. Tonight will be Edmonton's
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 9: two hundred and ninety ninth game, including regular season in
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 9: playoffs in the last three seasons. That does take a toll,
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 9: particularly when your team tends to age, you know, it
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 9: tends to lean a little older on the ledger there,
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 9: and that's certainly the case, and it is something that
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 9: you see over time. You don't necessarily see it in
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 9: any one particular game. But that's a lot of hockey
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 9: sean and it's a lot of high level hockey. When
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 9: you consider that the Oilers have played twenty five and
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 9: twenty two playoff games the last two seasons, and their
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 9: off seasons have been shorter, and when you consider the
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 9: intensity of playoff hockey and just going back even to
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 9: just the travel of having to play that many games,
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 9: because if they've played two hundred and ninety nine in
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 9: the last three years, you can bet one hundred and
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 9: fifty of them have been on the road. So Edmonton is,
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 9: you know, a little geographically isolated and window if you will,
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 9: of being a very top heavy team. The minutes played
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 9: by Connor McDavid or second to none among forwards in
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 9: the National Hockey League. No forward averages more ice time
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 9: than he, and no one has over the last three years.
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 9: Leon Dry titles in the top ten there as well.
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 9: Ryan Nugent Hopkins plays a lot of minutes for them.
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 9: On the back end. Evan Bouchard is a huge minutes eater.
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 9: He plays twenty seven plus minutes a game, and it's
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 9: just you know, cumulative over time that's going to wear
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 9: down on them. Ana I'm on the other hand, their
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 9: leading goalscorer plays on their third line. Cutter GoJ had
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 9: forty one goals in the regular season. He's on their
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 9: second power play unit. They don't lean that heavily on
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 9: any one or two players from an ice time perspective
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 9: anywhere near as much as Chris Knoblock does with with
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 9: his Edmonton Oilers.
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 2: Last thing before I let you go, and if you
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 2: have to take off your Anaheim Ducks at least a
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 2: little bit for that, I guess you can. But if
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 2: every team in the Western Conference playoffs was huddling together
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 2: and saying, we just got to make sure that the
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 2: Colorado Avalanche don't win it all this year, who has
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 2: the best shot of de throating what has been all
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 2: year long the best NHL team that's a.
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 9: Really good question, Sean. I haven't really thought about that,
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 9: but I would start with probably a team that has
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 9: a goaltender that can get white hot, because what can
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 9: make the difference in what we call a short series,
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 9: although beating another opponent four times is anything but short work.
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 9: You get a hot goaltender and the sky's the limit.
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 9: I harken back to my first year in Anaheim, which
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 9: unfortunately was a long time ago two thousand and two
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 9: to two thousand and three, and the then Mighty Ducks
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 9: got in as the seventh seed and Sean Sebastian Jaguar
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 9: went on a run like I have never seen. He
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 9: won the Conso Trophy is the MVP of the playoffs,
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 9: despite the fact that the Mighty Ducks lost in the
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 9: Cup Final in Game seven to the New Jersey Devils.
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 9: But no one had Anaheim earmarked to probably even get
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 9: to the second round that year because they were playing
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 9: the defending Cup champion Red Wings in the opening round.
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 9: But Shagear almost single handedly gave them well, he didn't
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 9: single handedly win the series, but he did single handedly
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 9: give them a chance to win because of the way
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 9: he was able to tend goal. Not only in that
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 9: opening series, but then they went on to beat the
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 9: number one seed Dallas in the second round and ended
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 9: up in that Game seven in the Cup final. That's
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 9: what I think it's gonna take to have someone other
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 9: than Colorado be in the Stanley Cup Final representing the
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 9: Western Conference. I don't know who that is, Sean. I'm
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 9: picking my brain as to the teams left in the West,
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 9: and there's not a lot of elite goaltenders that jump
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 9: to mine. That doesn't mean any one goaltender can't get
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 9: JS Shagher hot, but off the top of my head
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 9: think the names that would come to mind might be
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 9: es for Walston in Minnesota. He finished the regular season well.
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 9: Jake Ottinger in Dallas has a longer, you know, resume
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 9: as far as performance goes. But Ottinger's been rather maligned
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 9: with his playoff play of late. But I think somebody's
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 9: gonna have to have to get just a white hot goaltender.
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 2: I won't disagree with you there, and this is a
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 2: low hanging fruit question to just serve the egos of
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 2: all of us New hockey fans here in Salt Lake City.
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 2: But I wanted your perspective on the addition of the
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 2: Mammoth to the League two, of the Delta Center, you know,
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 2: as a barn and of this new hockey community to
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 2: the NHL, because everyone else we talked to it seems
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 2: to be that right now, we've got a good reputation.
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 3: Is that true also in Anaheim?
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 9: Absolutely? And no one is a bigger fan of the
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 9: Salt Lake hockey market than I. I spent a year
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 9: there a long time ago with the old Golden Eagles,
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 9: and I have a very very soft spot in my
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 9: heart for Salt Lake City, for Salt Lake City sports fans,
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 9: and more importantly, the hockey fans of Salt Lake City.
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 9: I don't consider this to be a new market. I
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 9: don't even consider it to be a new team, despite
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 9: the way the NHL handles them. From a record standpoint,
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 9: this is their second year. I know it's their second
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 9: year in Utah. But Utahs and Salt Lake City in
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 9: general is a fantastic hockey market. It has been. It
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 9: has a great hockey history, and I think your fans
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 9: and your market and your city have shown that this
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 9: year because it is a great place to come into.
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 9: I've seen some modifications to the Delta Center since I
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 9: was there with the Golden Eagles, and it's made it
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 9: a much better hockey barn than it ever was back
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 9: in its IHL days. And it's it's loud because of
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 9: what they've done with the configuration of the building, and
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 9: obviously the fan base has embraced it. And it's a
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 9: fun atmosphere. It's a great place, and it's a great
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 9: hockey town.
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 2: Well, I can't tell you how much I appreciate you
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 2: giving us a few minutes of your time today. I
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 2: know it's busy this time of year and you got
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 2: much more important things. So thank you and have a
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 2: great call tonight. Good luck to your Ducks.
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 9: My pleasure. Thanks so much, Sean anytime.
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 2: The voice of the Anaheim Ducks, you can hear also
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 2: hear him on Sports USA doing NHL stuff. John Alers
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 2: Ducks Oilers Game six Anaheim Tonight, eight o'clock puck drop
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 2: on TNT.
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 3: The Ducks are up three to two.
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 2: And if you have not broken away from your mammoth
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 2: interest to watch any of the other Western Conference hockey,
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 2: I'm partial to the Minnesota Wild series. That one has
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 2: been crazy back and forth, absolute insanity. But this one
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 2: is shaping up the same way because like you said,
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 2: Connor McDavid is like invisible pain at multiple junctures of
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 2: every game, and then he just goes out and plays
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 2: better than everyone else on the ice insanity. It's like
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 2: it's like a Jordan flu game every ten minutes with
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 2: this guy.
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 4: And like probably an even harder thing to overcome for
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 4: him because it's multiple games, and I mean it's.
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 3: Like a real injury.
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like there's lots of I mean Jordan, Jordan's said
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 4: in the last stance it was it was food poisoning.
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 4: There's people like Spence Check. It's like, now I know
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 4: it was a hangover, it wasn't food poising, So like
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 4: that's that makes it a little different. But yeah, the
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 4: other thing I wanted to say about this is how
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 4: about John Aller's Sneaky Salt Lake Golden Eagles. I did
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 4: not know that he worked in the market. It's at
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 4: one point, at some.
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 2: Point, I hope at some point, like a Golden Eagles
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 2: jersey sweater makes an appearance in the Mammoth store.
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 4: There's like, get like a one of the throwbacks. Let's
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 4: get a Golden Eagles themed Mammoth throwback. Maybe like Golden
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 4: Eagles was was a green and yellow colors. If I'm
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 4: not mistake some kind of owed to the Golden Eagles,
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 4: that'd be sweet. Hopefully it's like a red and gold, right,
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 4: it was a red and gold. That's my pad. Hopefully
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 4: the Mammoths can make it out into the second round.
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 4: We get John Allers back here calling games on our
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 4: station as part of Sports USA Stanley Cup Playoffs.
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 2: It turns out we're both right. Is there green in
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 2: there too? They had like Oakland A's colors and they
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 2: had Kansas City Chiefs colors.
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 4: Okay, so like one one Home Jersey was one and
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 4: road Jersey was another.
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 2: Maybe you give me a Utah Mammoth sweater in those
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 2: Salt Lake Golden Eagles colors, but maybe like you do
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 2: the shoulder patch as the Eagles. Yeah, like, I'm rocking
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 2: that thing.
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 4: I think there'd be plenty of as long as it's
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 4: not against the Calgary Flames.
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 2: R'm rocking it.
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 4: There'd be plenty of old school hockey fans here that
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 4: would buy those up.
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 3: In a second. They used to practice.
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 2: They used to practice a Cottwood Heights Recreation Center, and
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 2: when we moved from Minnesota, that was the only rink
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 2: you could get any time on. So we would go
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 2: up there and they would be finishing practice before the
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 2: open skate, and then we would like they would sign autographs.
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 2: I have somewhere I have it had a notebook full
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 2: of Salt Lake Golden Eagles autographs.
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 3: I wish I could track that bad boy down.
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 2: That's cool, all right, one more segment before we close
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  Speaker 2: things out here on the Sean O'Connell Show. Big thanks
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 2: to John Allers. Good get there from James Peterson. We're
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  Speaker 2: All right, Hello Sean? How are you, buddy?
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  Speaker 3: Great?
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  Speaker 2: What's us? Driven? The show? Today? We talked a little
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  Speaker 2: bit about the Big twelve private equity deal. We talked
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 2: about the heartbreaking double overtime in Utah Mammoth loss last night.
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  Speaker 2: That's rough. We talked about NBA playoff basketball. We talked
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  Speaker 2: about that seven foot nine inch transfer from Florida spurning
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  Speaker 2: the utes. You wanted him badly, didn't you.
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  Speaker 3: It's a freak show. Why not? He's going to be
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  Speaker 3: an ant eater Instead.
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  Speaker 10: I heard a little bit of flu game conversation as
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 10: I was driving in context here, Yeah, question.
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 2: Mark, Oh well, we were talking about Connor McDavid's ability
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 2: in this series to be well below one hundred percent. Yeah,
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 2: And I mean you see him doing crazy things on
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 2: the ice and then they're just like, oh wow, look
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 2: at Connor McDavid over there on the bench. He's struggling
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 2: and he's like in pain. There's like a tooth hanging out,
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 2: he's bleeding, and then he jumps back on the ice
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 2: and it's just like, oh yeah, he looks like he's
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 2: still the best player in the world at whatever. He
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 2: is seventy percent, So you know, it's a whole series
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 2: of flu games for him.
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 10: Hockey players are just built differently, they really are.
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 2: And it's so cliche to just be like, oh, yeah,
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 2: these like I've said it for years, not just since
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 2: we've got a team ourselves and doing a show. I'll
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 2: tell you what, doing a show with an NFL guy
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 2: for six years and saying this to an NFL guy,
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 2: they get really bothered by it. Like hockey players are
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 2: the most well rounded, impressive of all professional athletes.
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 5: It's hard.
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 2: It's hard to argue with it.
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 10: I mean in the NBA, guys miss times for gastric distress. Yes,
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 10: that was like a thing for a while, like Jamal
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 10: Tinsley would go back home to Brooklyn and miss two
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 10: weeks with gastric distress.
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 2: Even if you take like the hockey culture of toughness
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 2: out of it, which to me is amazing, the ability
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 2: to move in you know, the three dimensions. You got
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 2: to be just as fast forward and backward. You have
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 2: to have hand eye coordination. You have to be physically tough,
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 2: you have to have anaerobic anaerobic abilities. It's just no
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 2: other professional sport demands all of those things. Baseball obviously doesn't.
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 2: There's a lot more precision and skill in baseball than
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 2: there is in like football. Football is awesome and it's
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 2: incredibly difficult to be elite at it. But we just
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 2: saw a guy get drafted having never played a down
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 2: of football before. If you're built a certain way, you
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 2: can be good at it. Hockey you've got to be balanced, tough, fast,
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 2: hand eye corder. She canna have all of it.
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 10: You have to be a little insane, quite frankly, because
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 10: you also throw yourself willingly in front of this thing
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 10: that's been flung at.
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 2: You that have you ever been hit with a hockey
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 2: puck in a meaningful way?
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 10: Obviously, so Northeast hockey's a big deal. So a lot
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 10: of my friends played hockey. It was in it was
• 2:36:20
  Speaker 10: in the winter, so I played basketball, but I would
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 10: go to all their games and I'm still, I'm still,
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 10: I'm in the stands and I'm talking to my girlfriend
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 10: and I'm not paying attention to the game. And suddenly
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 10: I was like, I just got shot in the ship.
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 10: A puck flew out of the rink and hit me
• 2:36:36
  Speaker 10: directly in the shin, and I wanted to cry badly.
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 2: I couldn't because you know, in front of the girlfriend.
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 2: It hurt.
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 10: It hurt so bad, dude, I'm telling you, well, the
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 10: shins are also I was wearing shorts. I mean it
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 10: left a mark for like months, man. And you know,
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 10: you know, they freeze the pucks before the game. They're
• 2:36:54
  Speaker 10: they're in freezers, so they and these guys are willingly
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 10: throwing themselves in front of it. After a slap shot
• 2:37:01
  Speaker 10: that's like ninety miles an hour. It's it takes a
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 10: certain mentality to play hockey. I mean, I'm sure you
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 10: can relate to it because you're a fighter and you
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 10: played football. But you know I've said this before, I'll
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 10: say it again. A basketball player's worst nightmare is when
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 10: the football player shows up for the run. It's the
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 10: same thing with a hockey guy, like, they know you
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 10: don't know how to play. All you're doing is pushing
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 10: everybody around us. We had one guy on our team
• 2:37:25
  Speaker 10: that was only there because he was big and strong
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 10: and he was a football player.
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 2: And I hated him.
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 10: Yeah every practice, And of course the coach is like, hey,
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 10: get check.
• 2:37:33
  Speaker 2: It's go bump him around, will you. Yeah, that's great.
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 2: I think that everyone who's ever played a basketball game
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 2: with me is probably like, I hate that guy. I
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 2: would imagine you're a nightmare to play basketball. Yeah, I'm
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 2: completely unskilled, bullet a china shop. Yeah, foul out even
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 2: in like pickup games. Yeah, I'm I'm the worst kind
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 2: of guy to play basketball.
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 10: I think I told you the story where I was like,
• 2:37:52
  Speaker 10: I think Hans Olsen just killed Jody Gennessee in a
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 10: media pickup game because Hans was shooting a free throw
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 10: and zero frame of reference for any rule, so he
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 10: just and he couldn't shoot it. So he slammed it
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 10: off the backboard, grabbed it and laid it in. And
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 10: Scott Layden, who was an assistant for the Jazz at
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 10: that point, he was officiating the game, he blew the whistle.
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 10: He's like, it's not allowed, you can't do that, and
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 10: Hans was so pissed. And I saw it in a
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 10: slow motion. I was standing on the sideline, poor Jody
• 2:38:20
  Speaker 10: Gennessee standing at the free throw line on the other
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 10: side of the floor, and nobody was guarding him because well,
• 2:38:27
  Speaker 10: you know, and this full court pass makes its way
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 10: to Jody, and I'm watching it and I'm seeing Hans pissed,
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 10: and he is running full speed and runs straight through
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 10: Jody Gennessee sends him tumbling to the ground.
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 2: Jody because he just was.
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 10: So mad that he didn't know the rules and went
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 10: full Handslsen football player.
• 2:38:46
  Speaker 2: If you dig deep enough on YouTube, you could actually
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 2: still find from the dark ages of like five iterations
• 2:38:55
  Speaker 2: of the zone ago when Hans and I were doing
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  Speaker 2: the morning show together and Jake Scott and Gordon Monsen
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  Speaker 2: bet us that they would beat us in a basketball
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  Speaker 2: I remember this. I didn't. I don't remember the game,
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  Speaker 2: but I remember the dynamic yet. So we played a
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  Speaker 2: two on two basketball game against them and destroyed them,
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  Speaker 2: and unfortunately Jake dislocated his thumb because he was trying
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  Speaker 2: to get a rebound against me, and I knocked him
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  Speaker 2: into a wall on accident and that ended the game.
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  Speaker 3: Poor Jake. I love Jake.
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  Speaker 2: Jake's a great kid.
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  Speaker 3: If you're out there listening, love you man.
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  Speaker 2: Your guess he's not. But he's a nice kid. I
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  Speaker 2: guess he wouldn't be, but he like dislocated. It's on
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  Speaker 2: the tape and you could see for for Gordon and
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  Speaker 2: for Jake, it was like, I can't believe this happened.
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  Speaker 2: For hands and for myself, who had broken and dislocated
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  Speaker 2: many things in life, were just like I just pop
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  Speaker 2: it back in. Yeah, it was just like the hospitals
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  Speaker 2: like just pull on the thumb, you'll be fine. Why
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  Speaker 2: would they think they could beat you?
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  Speaker 10: And obviously Gordon's my guy, did the show with them
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  Speaker 10: for over seven years. But that's I wish there were
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  Speaker 10: odds on that Kowshi was around with that game.
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  Speaker 2: It was what Gordon was in, like, you know, he
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  Speaker 2: would have been in his late forties early fifties at
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  Speaker 2: the time, probably and he was in his full like
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  Speaker 2: church ball three point shot dad run mode, Okay, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like he was probably working it
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  Speaker 2: at the ward ball games. And to be fair, it
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  Speaker 2: was just two big knuckleheads with no basketball skill. But
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  Speaker 2: one of them is six' five and you could just
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  Speaker 2: throw the ball to him and he can do a
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  Speaker 2: layup and rebound if he.
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  Speaker 10: Misses, no the only way they would have a chance
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  Speaker 10: with some locals and one of them was a kid
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  Speaker 10: who played tight end At TEXAS a and m big
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  Speaker 10: big POLY i mean six, four six five three ten
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  Speaker 10: three point. Fifteen he spent some time with The cardinals
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  Speaker 10: and then moved home and he works in. Construction all
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  Speaker 10: these guys are working. Construction all those locals over.
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  Speaker 10: Companies, Indeed and one night we're getting a little, loose
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  Speaker 10: right having me having a good, time AND i say to,
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  Speaker 10: HIM i THINK i could beat you in, basketball and
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  Speaker 10: he looks at me with this, glare with this Like,
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  Speaker 10: polynesian what did you?
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  Speaker 2: Say?
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  Speaker 10: Glare and, said, well what would you do IF i
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  Speaker 10: just broke your femur when we started? Playing AND i,
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  Speaker 10: Said i'd never. MIND i don't want to. Play i'm
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  Speaker 10: like maybe free throw contest or. Something good. Point good.
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  Speaker 10: Point the football player playing basketball is a basketball player's
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  Speaker 10: worst night.
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  Speaker 2: Man, anyway stay tuned for the. Drive it'll be great,
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