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Jesus Prophecy @BrotherMaverick @ProverbsGuysMinistries @ttor13 @EasyBelieverTucker Brett Keane · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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  Where are you tonight? Empty streets belong.
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  Something in the air can't quite let it go.
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  The. Feeling that you're there every
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  single night I look up high trying to catch a sign that
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  you're watching over me, but I just can't see where.
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  Are you tonight when I need you most?
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  Where are you tonight? Are you close?
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  Are you close? Hands reach to the sky.
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  Stars fall like your tears. Time keeps passing by.
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  Still I wait right here. Every breath I take, every
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  prayer I make, Hoping you'll appear in this world of mine.
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  Just give me a sign. Where are you tonight?
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  When I need you most. Where are you tonight?
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  Are you growing up? Sometimes I feel your presence
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  in the rain almost touch your life and you fade away again.
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  Stay away. My heart keeps searching in
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  Leslie for what lions can't see. Where are you tonight?
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  I keep searching when I need you more.
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  Need you here. Where are you tonight?
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  Are you close? Oh, are you close?
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  Still waiting here? Where are you tonight?
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  There, let's try that one more time because unfortunately we
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  were muted for the second. Hello, ladies and gentlemen, you
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  are listening to Brett Keene from GOD TV Radio.
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  I hope you're all having a wonderful day out there and
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  we've got a lot of things to talk about tonight.
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  It looks like TTOR tooth, the objective reality has joined us.
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  How you doing there guy? I am doing fantastic.
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  I'm glad to be here, Brett. Well, tell me about your day.
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  What have you been up to? Well, it's been a well today
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  it's actually been a pretty easy day work wise because I work as
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  a full time TV producer at my church.
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  First few days of the week we're very heavy on getting stuff
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  done, mainly putting together an hour long TV program.
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  I got done last night right before I left work.
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  So today was just about distributing it on the Internet,
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  sending it off to my local Fox affiliate because of Arizona TV
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  network that they control. So I sent it to them and they
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  send it to that sub network. And then I worked on a few other
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  smaller projects and did some other things I normally don't
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  get time to do. And now I'm here at home, join
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  my extra time off and I'm on the show as a result.
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  Well, Steven as well as a Proverbs ministry as well as a
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  really popular YouTube by the name of Brother Maverick might
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  be coming in here in a little bit.
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  Also got some emails from other people that are interested.
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  We'll see how that goes. Don't know how long I'm going to
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  do things tonight. It depends on how interesting
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  things keep. I had planned on watching The
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  Matrix 4 earlier today, but my son wasn't able to make it.
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  But we may be watching something here later on and that'll be
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  enjoyable. I, as you know, I've been
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  talking to you about this. You know that praise I am.
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  And many Christians out there have been trying to give Josh
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  Herbal a opportunity to come back into the Christian
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  community. And I told them all, I hope it
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  works out. And Josh sent me a message
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  recently. It's on my community post.
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  Would you like to read it real quick and see what he says?
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  He mentions you as well as Proverbs and a few others.
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  I think you'll enjoy it. It will move you spiritually, I
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  think. It's on his or.
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  Yours it's if you look on my post you will see I
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  screenshotted his message and put it for all to see.
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  I think that praise I am is really going to enjoy it because
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  he's been trying so hard to bring this certifiable official
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  pedophile who's been charged, got a mug shot and everything on
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  the sex registry back into the Christian community.
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  I think that he would appreciate this post that I put up for him.
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  Is it in the private chat community?
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  Chat. You go to the front of my
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  YouTube channel. It's in the community section
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  where people post articles. I see posts.
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  You don't see a picture of a Angel in an ocean.
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  Oh, is that it? Yeah, you just look at the
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  replies. That's where you put the
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  message. OK.
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  Well, go ahead and read it out loud.
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  You don't have to use the Oh. I, I can't, I can't see it.
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  Brett, I might be blocked by him.
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  No, you have to. You have to click on the image
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  in order to make it bigger. OK, hold on, let me try this one
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  more time. So I click on the image, it
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  comes bigger. Yeah, I'm getting the same
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  thing. Because I see.
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  One comment, but then there's no comment so I can't read it.
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  You'll have to take over narration roles.
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  OK, well, it's basically in a nutshell.
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  It's a lot more extensive and a lot more detailed, but he
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  basically referred to you as well as Steven and myself as fat
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  loser corpses who deserve to die, basically, and that we are
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  garbage human beings and things like that, and that he doesn't
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  care about anybody's olive branch and all this kind of
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  stuff. So yeah, he seems to be being
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  nicer towards Praise, but there's good reason for that.
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  Praise is running into about 20,000 Subs.
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  So for Smokey, it's all about views and subscribers.
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  It isn't about the Christian way or doing anything right by
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  Jesus. It's simply about getting
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  attention on the Internet. We'll see if the Christian
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  community will fall for that. They usually do.
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  And then he pushes too hard and knocks them all over the edge.
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  And then we go back to, oh, you were right, Brett.
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  And it's a kind of a pattern here.
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  Yeah, I wish I could say I was surprised, but I'm not.
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  As I told you earlier today off screen, and as I've observed
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  from watching a couple of Smokey Saints live streams recently, he
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  really does not seem to be 1 iota different than he was three
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  years ago when he got himself into trouble with his
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  conviction. He's very arrogant,
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  narcissistic. He curses a lot while he puts
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  others down, and while he's cursing people out like a dirty
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  heathen, he's simultaneously proclaiming his righteousness
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  and how unrighteous the people he's slamming on are.
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  It's the kind of despicable, abhorrent behavior that turns
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  people off from Christianity when it comes from the lips of a
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  professed Christian. And as I told you earlier today,
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  if Smokey St. had returned to the Internet at the beginning of
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  this month and his whole campaign, his whole strategy was
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  to go, well, guys, I I'm really sorry about, one, doing what I
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  did in my early 20s with that girl.
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  And two, I'm especially sorry about how horribly I treated all
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  of you guys in light of the conviction that happened back in
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  March of 2022. You know, what I did was wrong
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  back when I was in my youth, what I did to you guys was
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  wrong. I'm sorry.
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  I repent of all of it. And now I'm just concerned about
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  being right with God. And hopefully you guys can
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  forgive me. If that had been his campaign,
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  if that had been his approach, if that had been his genuine
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  heart and his content coming back, I would not have made the
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  video I made about him recently and I would have totally left
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  him alone. And who knows, if he was trying
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  to extend olive branches seeking forgiveness, I might have given
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  him one if that had been his way of being things.
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  But instead he did well, all the live streams where he cursed
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  people out. And he denies that he ever did
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  the thing he pled guilty to back in 2022, which is, you know, the
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  pedophilia stuff. And you know, he makes a whole
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  live stream where he's cursing and cussing out praise.
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  I am. And all of his friends.
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  He just looks like the same guy we've seen for years, the same
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  basically arrogant narcissist. So because he seems to be
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  completely unrepentant and in denial about those things, I
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  just, I can't give him any good grace and I don't care if he
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  wants to insult us personally. It's just who he is and that's
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  all there is to it. So yeah, I'm basically not going
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  to say any more on video besides this stream and the video I
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  already made. So he's kind of like outside my
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  outside my view now. Yeah, like a like a fly on the
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  bumper, right? I get you.
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  Yeah. I, I don't know what the
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  Christian community is going to do with them.
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  I actually felt kind of weird because I went on Praise I Am's
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  show yesterday and I completely encouraged the behavior.
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  Oh, we got somebody who posted. Guardian says, hey, hello
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  Guardian, how are you doing? Oh, TTOR, I don't know if you
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  knew this. You're not able to see my OBS,
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  obviously, but people who leave comments, it actually goes right
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  on the screen for all to see. Isn't that neat?
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  Well that's really neat. I'm going to have to actually
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  turn the stream on then on another tab.
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  Yeah, it's pretty cool. Well, whatever you see in the
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  comments and the right are the same comments that are going to
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  show up. We got Mike Yettner.
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  Hello, brother Brett. Oh, how you doing there if you
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  want to come in? I'm not seeing any comments on
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  the stream feed. Oh, there I is.
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  I see Guardian 4646, but I'm not seeing any of the comments on
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  the stream yard side. Well.
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  There's a little bit of a delay, I guess for it to pop up on the
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  screen, but I, I will see it now.
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  Folks, remember that when you leave a comment, your comments
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  will go up, but it takes about 10 seconds for everybody else to
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  see it on the stream. I do not know why it is so
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  lagged on that end, but it is what it is.
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  Mike, if you'd like to come in and join us, we have a link in
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  the comments as well as the description.
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  You can come in and join. So I, as I was saying, I was
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  hanging out with I am praise and praise I am.
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  And I actually encouraged him to try to work things out with
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  everybody, you know, trying to put out an olive branch.
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  And Smokey seemed like he was being nice to praise, but he,
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  he's attacking anybody that's got under 1000 subscribers on
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  the Internet. So this is your typical thing.
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  It's what atheists do as well. They they personally attack
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  people and then that's how they get their views and Subs.
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  Yeah, well, and in Smokey's case, in relation to me, even
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  before he got that conviction back in March of 2022, a
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  conviction that he made happen by pleading guilty, by the way,
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  just so people know, before that even happened, he was already
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  reaming on me on the Internet over my younger creationism
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  beliefs because he's an old Earth creationist and he
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  essentially looks down his nose at people like me who do not
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  embrace the concept of deep time.
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  So I actually have a video on my channel responding to some of
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  his older of creationism beliefs.
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  And when I buy channel, I say on my YouTube channel.
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  Now if you go to my Bit Shoot channel, you'll see that I
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  actually have another video dealing with that subject in
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  regards to Smokey St. back in I think 2019-2020, something like
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  that. But that that video is back when
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  he was a lot nicer than he became, before he decided that
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  the arrogant narcissist was the way to go.
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  That's unfortunately what happens to a lot of people if
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  they start picking up any kind of views on YouTube.
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  They start forgetting who they are, where they came from, and
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  they go from being real people to suddenly acting like they're
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  Karen's, like they're entitled. And, you know, people ought to
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  show up and people ought to talk.
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  You know, if I can get five people with big hearts, I prefer
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  that over a billion asshole zombies who got no brains at
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  all. That's me though.
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  Right. Yeah.
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  And I totally get that. I remember the old days when I
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  used to watch more atheist content to make video responses
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  to it, and I'd go to their comments section and Oh my gosh,
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  it was just a wall of affirmation, just a horde of yes
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  men, like, Oh yeah, that was a great video.
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  Oh yeah, you really showed that Christian.
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  Oh, yeah, you're really stuck it to that creationist and you just
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  almost never see any kind of descent, no matter how bad the
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  argumentation was in the video. So I I totally get how bad it is
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  to have a big audience full of people like that.
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  And it's better to have real people that are of integrity and
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  they're willing to dissent for from you from time to time.
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  And of course, the whole time I'm seeing that wall of
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  affirmation, some of those people would come over to my
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  videos and basically accuse me of, you know, just having a,
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  what they call it a bubble. Basically.
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  It's like a social bubble in my channel where basically all I
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  have is yes, men who agree with me.
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  It's like I go to my comments section.
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  It's just a wall of rejection, a wall of dissent, a wall of you
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  suck. I'm like, wow, I'm really
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  feeling the affirmations today. Getting moved in the spirit.
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  I hear you there. Well, we, we don't have to spend
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  too much more time talking about Smokey.
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  People should go over to TTRS channel, subscribe to him and
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  you can watch his video where he was very extensive on this
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  issue. But I don't want to take too
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  many people's time up on that. Let's talk about a little bit of
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  things. You mentioned young Earther, for
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  those out there who may not know the terminology of that, can you
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  explain to him what old earth, young Earth and why there's at
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  least in your perspective, why there's issues?
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  Go ahead. Right.
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  And that is important to discuss because I remember a couple
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  years ago when I was at my local mall and I ran into someone I
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  was talking to and I asked them if they had ever heard of young
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  Earth creationism before or creationism in general before.
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  And their answer was no, which I find astonishing in the Internet
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  information age where there's so much on content on that subject
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  just going around everywhere. So in in essence, creationism is
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  a general concept is that the God of the Bible created the
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  earth for the universe and everything that is in those two
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  things, but the earth, the universe, the sea, and
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  everything is in those three things.
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  My bad. Now where it gets different is
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  that there are different creationism positions.
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  There's the theistic evolution position, which basically takes
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  everything that atheistic evolution teaches, which is Big
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  Bang cosmology. Evolution is a general concept,
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  abiogenesis, and you know, deep time basically embraces all of
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  atheistic evolution and then says in essence, God did it.
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  Now, the older creationists are typically Christians who will
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  accept deep time and maybe even they'll accept Big Bang
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  cosmology, but they won't accept evolution.
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  And so that's another position that they hold to.
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  And then there's the young Earth creationism position, which is
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  the one I hold, which is that the universe, the earth, the sea
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  and everything that is in those three things were created by God
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  over the course of six days by the speech of his mouth 6000
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  years ago based on the data provided in the Bible.
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  Now what's funny about those different positions is back in
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  2019, I think it was, my parents old church was having a.
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  Little seminar at their office building where they were
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  teaching on creationism. And so naturally at the time I
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  was curious to attend because I didn't know what my church's
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  position or what my parents church's position on origins
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  was. And so I thought, well, I'll
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  just attend this seminar and see what I see.
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  And so the guy leading the seminar, who I found out later
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  is apparently the only older of creationist on the entire staff
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  of that church at the time. He taught the different
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  creationism positions. And basically he pointed out
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  that older of creationism and theistic evolution lined up
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  really well with the majority opinion of the scientific and
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  academic community, but they ran into all kinds of scriptural
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  problems. And then when he finally got
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  into the young earth creationism side of the spectrum, he
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  literally said that, well, young earth creationism lines up best
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  with what the Bible teaches. But then instead of giving
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  actual problems with the position, he started going on to
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  a diatribe about how well, I just reinterpret parts of the
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  Bible so that I can, you know, embrace what's being taught by
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  the majority of science. And then he cut himself off when
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  he realized that he was admitting to people that he
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  didn't trust what the Bible says on origins.
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  And then he switched gears and tried to move on from that.
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  And that is the point in the conference where without saying
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  a word, I got up. I walked out and never came back
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  for the rest of the conference because I was like, oh, my God.
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  The lack of discernment by my parents former church is
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  appalling. They have the one guy who does
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  who doesn't believe like the rest of them on origins teaching
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  the class and he's telling people, yeah, I don't trust what
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  the Bible says on origins. I I trust what people say with a
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  majority of the academic world says, but you should totally
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  trust the Bible on anything else.
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  I just found that to be really, really bad, really sad.
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  Why do why do some Christians or theists out there feel the need
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  to attack a young earther for I mean, I I've told you several
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  times, I'm still unfortunately, I've been programmed by the
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  education system. So I am one of those people that
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  believe in and I I call it The Big Bang because that's how
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  scientists refer to it. But I actually believe it's the
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  initiation of God, basically making space-time and matter.
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  That's just a fancy word they gave for it, the scientist.
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  But do you, do you think that the Bible's implying that the
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  universe is just as old as the earth?
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  Hello, Steven Andrew, how are you doing?
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  This is Proverbs ministry and he's an incredible person and he
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  I'm glad that he joined the conversation because he's very
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  well read and biblical, just as TTOR is very good.
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  What's up fellas? Hey Steven or Proverbs guy, I
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  don't know what to call you anymore.
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  I mean, technically all the hosts are Proverbs guys, so I'm
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  not the Proverbs guy anymore. I just go by Steven.
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  Oh no, I just got an idea for a skit for your channel.
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  You know that SpongeBob episode where everyone's pretending to
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  be Squidward, but we can all be and to be Proverbs guy?
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  He's Proverbs guy. He's Proverbs guy.
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  That guy's Proverbs guy. Is there anyone else here who's
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  Proverbs guy? Will the real proverbs please
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  stand up? Please stand up all.
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  Right, so I I walked into an interesting conversation.
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  It sounds like we're discussing origins.
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  Justin was mentioning how his church lacks discernment with
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  one of their teachers, my parents.
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  Old. Church, my parents.
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  Old church, yes. OK, old church teaching against
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  young earth creation. Well, there was a seminar where
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  the guy was landing out the different creationism positions
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  and basically giving pros and cons.
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  He had the honesty to admit the older of creationism in its
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  various forms runs into all kinds of scriptural problems.
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  But then when it came to younger of creationism, he started to
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  explain how he reinterpreted the Bible to get around that
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  position, even though it lines up with scripture.
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  And then he moved on. And then I moved on.
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  Well, the interesting thing is though is that it takes more
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  faith to believe in evolution than it does to believe they got
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  created at all. Yeah, well, there's actually a
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  simple reason why a lot of older creationists embrace the
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  position they do, whether they realize it consciously or not.
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  It's actually because they view the majority opinion of the
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  scientific and academic community as a higher authority
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  than the Bible. And to prove that this is a real
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  thing and not just something creationists make up, I'm going
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  to read this book in front of me, written by a theistic
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  evolutionist named Perry Marshall.
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  One, one second. One second, one second.
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  Brother Maverick has just come in the room and I want to say
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  hello. How you doing and welcome him.
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  Unfortunately, he just dropped out.
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  He was virtually resurrected or raptured.
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  Sorry, raptured. So you'll have to return and
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  we'll bring him in before you read that though, I don't know
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  if you 2 heard my question. Do you believe that Young Earth
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  creationism actually implies that not only is the earth
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  between 6 and 10,000 years, but the universe as well?
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  Yes, because when you lay out the data of the biblical
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  timeline, you see that Adam and Eve were created on day six of a
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  roughly 6100 year timeline. Because according to the data
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  provided by the Bible, you see that each of the days of
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  creation were ordinary days like we experienced today.
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  Because in the creation account, each day as a time of day and a
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  number attached to the word day, either one by itself indicating
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  that the word day is referring to an ordinary day like we
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  experienced today. So when you look at all that
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  data and you understand how English works, you realize that
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  the days of creation were ordinary days like we
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  experienced today. Which means that yes, the Earth
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  and the universe are virtually identical in age, no?
• 26:45
  Although I'm an old Earther, I want to point something out to
• 26:48
  the audience out there. And I and I still listen to
• 26:51
  Young Earthers and there may be actually a day where I am
• 26:55
  absolutely convinced that's the direction for me to go in my
• 26:58
  theology. But I want to point something
• 27:00
  out for people who go, well, how is that even possible and all
• 27:03
  that? Did you know that scientists
• 27:05
  actually state that the entire universe came into existence
• 27:10
  under 3 milliseconds? Under 3 milliseconds.
• 27:14
  Now the Bible says that creation was instantaneously.
• 27:19
  So ladies and gentlemen, there is a it's valid if you were to
• 27:23
  compare the science with the Bible.
• 27:26
  Go ahead, continue on. Right.
• 27:28
  And like if you read the creation account, you'll see in
• 27:31
  each of the days of creation, God would say something and then
• 27:35
  the text would say and it was so implying that it immediately
• 27:39
  happened. So it stands to reason that it
• 27:42
  all happened the moment He spoke it.
• 27:46
  Yeah, Justin's right. In Genesis, it clearly lays out
• 27:50
  a 24 hour day. It says that there was evening
• 27:53
  and there was morning another day and it completes it.
• 27:56
  And then the Bible's also very clear in Genesis that He created
• 27:59
  everything in six days by the hands of Jesus Christ.
• 28:04
  Yep. And you see in Exodus Chapter
• 28:06
  11, I think it's verse 20, you know, it's the 10 commandments
• 28:09
  and he's giving the commandment about the Sabbath day.
• 28:12
  Moses quotes God directly where God himself says He made the
• 28:17
  universe, the earth, and everything that is in the He
• 28:21
  made the universe, the earth, the sea, and everything that is
• 28:23
  in those three things over the course of six days and then
• 28:27
  rested on the 7th. Therefore, you Israelites are to
• 28:31
  work 6 days and rest on the 7th we've.
• 28:34
  Got AI. Brother Maverick is back with us
• 28:37
  and I want to reintroduce him in case he didn't hear it.
• 28:40
  Brother Maverick, how are you doing?
• 28:42
  How's your day? I don't know if you've been
• 28:44
  hearing some of the conversation and you'd like to get involved
• 28:48
  with it. Yeah, I'm here, but can you guys
• 28:50
  hear me? Yes, I can hear you, you, you
• 28:53
  could turn it up just a little bit and everything, but I'm
• 28:55
  trying to. Think is I'm operating on like a
• 28:57
  because I'm at work right now, so I'm operating on kind of like
• 29:00
  a janky little setup from my car.
• 29:02
  So it's kind of hard, but I'll speak as loud as I can.
• 29:04
  How about that? I'll try turning you up on my
• 29:07
  end. You're coming through good
• 29:09
  enough. Go ahead.
• 29:09
  OK, cool. Yeah, no, I, I, I agree with
• 29:12
  everything you guys are saying. But you know, the thing of it is
• 29:14
  too, is that there's another approach that especially when I
• 29:18
  debate or even just have a regular conversation with anyone
• 29:21
  who laughs at even the remote possibility of, of young Earth,
• 29:26
  to me, it's, it's inconsequential #1 because
• 29:28
  regardless of young or older, it still doesn't contradict God.
• 29:32
  But even outside of that, if we're, if we're being honest,
• 29:36
  most people who are atheist, anti theist, whatever the case
• 29:40
  may be, when you start asking them about how things are dated,
• 29:44
  watch them watch. Watch how quickly they start
• 29:46
  stumbling when you start asking them about the inconsistencies
• 29:50
  of radiocarbon dating, or how a woolly mammoth who is tested can
• 29:54
  have flesh that's 27,000 years old and bone that's 15,000 years
• 29:58
  old. And then they start dish
• 30:00
  galloping with all these excuses.
• 30:01
  It's absolutely hilarious to me that they will sit there, look
• 30:05
  at you in the face and tell you that dinosaur fossils are
• 30:08
  65,000,000 years old and yet you can't even accurately date
• 30:13
  something that is significantly younger than that.
• 30:15
  And when you ask them that, they will have any number of excuses.
• 30:19
  I had one guy who's blowing up on YouTube right now.
• 30:21
  I mean, God bless him. May his eyes be open one day.
• 30:24
  I had one guy on my show about a year or two ago who his name is
• 30:28
  Deconstruction Zone. He's an atheist who says he's
• 30:30
  now an atheist because he used to be a pastor and a woman in a
• 30:35
  Bible study asked him about a messianic prophecy that Jesus
• 30:38
  fulfilled that he had no answer to.
• 30:41
  And apparently that to him opened his eyes to the fact that
• 30:44
  in his mind, Jesus failed all messianic prophecy and so now
• 30:49
  he's an atheist as a result, which is hilarious to me.
• 30:52
  And when I asked him about then why is radiocarbon dating so
• 30:56
  inaccurate, his answer was, and I promise to you guys, I'm not
• 31:00
  even remotely joking, human error.
• 31:02
  So according to this guy, all radiocarbon dating is inaccurate
• 31:06
  due to human error. Which is a scary thought
• 31:09
  considering that they teach every one of our children in
• 31:11
  schools that we used to be monkeys and that dinosaurs are
• 31:14
  65,000,000 years old, but you can't even date something 10,000
• 31:18
  years ago properly. It's hilarious to me.
• 31:20
  You don't even have to get biblical with it to expose their
• 31:23
  own nonsense. I don't know if you knew this.
• 31:26
  Oh, oh, sorry. I was going to say Maverick.
• 31:28
  I don't know if you heard of this, but scientists are
• 31:31
  changing the the time frame of the universe again.
• 31:34
  Instead of 13, instead of 13.5 to 16 billion years, they're
• 31:40
  going to drop it all the way to 4040 billion years because they
• 31:45
  need they need enough time for their magic to work.
• 31:48
  Go ahead and it's. Hilarious to me because in a
• 31:49
  show right before I met you, I want to say this was a week or
• 31:54
  two ago we had a guy who came in another atheist who stated that
• 32:00
  we know we know that the one second 124.
• 32:04
  I'm sorry they're they're calling me at work.
• 32:05
  That's why I have the headphones in.
• 32:07
  But you guys are a bank alarm. 5727285727 on 2E at the PNC Bank
• 32:13
  for. The.
• 32:15
  All right, let's see what we got.
• 32:17
  Looks like we got another person in real quick.
• 32:20
  We got Wild Heart Resurrection. Let's bring him into the call.
• 32:25
  Unfortunately, your phone calls coming through on the dig.
• 32:29
  Hello, Wild Heart. How are you doing today?
• 32:31
  I hope you've been doing well. Yes, hello.
• 32:34
  Thanks for letting me on. Yeah, good to see you.
• 32:38
  Well, we're talking about young Earth creationism, and we're
• 32:40
  also talking about the age of the universe and how different
• 32:44
  theists deal with what they interpret as conflict on
• 32:48
  different sides of the equation. Andrew, do you have anything
• 32:51
  while our buddy Maverick is getting it worked out with his
• 32:54
  job over there in TTOR? Do you got more to say?
• 32:58
  I do have more to say that is true.
• 33:01
  One I'd like to add on top of what Maverick was talking about,
• 33:04
  you can do another approach too. You can access a lot of the
• 33:09
  application forms for the various radiocarbon dating labs
• 33:13
  around this country place, this country being the USA.
• 33:17
  What you discover is that each of these application forms has a
• 33:20
  section where they ask you well, what layer of sediment that you
• 33:23
  find your specimen in and what's your estimated age of the
• 33:27
  specimen. It's like wait a minute, if
• 33:29
  you're dating method is supposed to be an exact science that
• 33:33
  gives you an exact age of the specimen, why would you want me
• 33:37
  to give you an estimated age range?
• 33:39
  Why does the sediment layer I found it in matter at all?
• 33:44
  When you combine that with index fossils then you realize the
• 33:47
  simple and hilarious truth. They date the fossils by the
• 33:51
  sediment layers and they date the sediment layers by the
• 33:54
  fossils. Circular reasoning.
• 33:56
  It's circular every single time and they they hate.
• 34:00
  They hate when you talk about that, they start yelling and
• 34:02
  getting upset and calling you dumb.
• 34:03
  But at the end of the day, their aging method is circular and
• 34:06
  they're both inaccurate, which is hilarious to me, you know?
• 34:09
  Maverick, I had cracked a joke while I was on your show.
• 34:13
  We got these folks who go, oh, so you believe that man walked
• 34:16
  with dinosaur and all that? And I said, well, according to
• 34:19
  you, it gets even crazier. You actually think that you were
• 34:23
  a mouse at the time, and that's when you were walking around
• 34:26
  with dinosaurs. So that's what they believed,
• 34:28
  the transition they were in at that point when the big monsters
• 34:32
  were walking. So it's crazy.
• 34:36
  But to answer the earlier question that came up, you know,
• 34:39
  why is it that old Earth creationists interpret the Bible
• 34:43
  differently than young Earth creationists do?
• 34:46
  The atheistic evolutionist Perry Marshall, in his 2015 book
• 34:50
  Evolution 2 Point O, actually gave us the exact reason why on
• 34:54
  page 327, where he wrote the following.
• 34:58
  Modern science speaks much more definitively about the age of
• 35:02
  the earth than the Bible does, so it is perfectly legitimate to
• 35:06
  allow science to settle this question.
• 35:09
  Translation. The majority opinion of the
• 35:12
  scientific and academic community is literally a higher
• 35:16
  authority than the Bible on origins.
• 35:18
  Therefore, we must reinterpret the Bible to fit that William
• 35:25
  Lane Craig teaches the same thing or has taught the same
• 35:28
  thing in the past. And the way he put it is, is
• 35:30
  that, well, we take what we learned from the Bible and we
• 35:34
  take what we learned from the worldview of modern science,
• 35:37
  which he literally said worldview of modern science, and
• 35:40
  we're going to make a synoptic worldview that makes sense of
• 35:43
  the data in both translation, reinterpret the Bible in light
• 35:48
  of the majority opinion of the scientific and academic
• 35:51
  community. Which by the way, earlier in
• 35:53
  that same podcast, he said that that was something that we
• 35:57
  shouldn't do. And yet he did it anyway to
• 36:00
  justify his older of creationism beliefs.
• 36:03
  And I find that to be problematic because when you
• 36:06
  have to do something that you say is wrong in order to justify
• 36:10
  your belief in something that that doesn't add up, it doesn't
• 36:14
  math. So.
• 36:15
  What about you wild hearts? You've been sitting there all
• 36:17
  quietly. I want to make sure everybody
• 36:19
  gets to interact. Do you still identify yourself
• 36:23
  as an atheist, agnostic, or or do you still believe you evolved
• 36:26
  from rats? Go ahead.
• 36:30
  Both. Not directly from rats, but
• 36:33
  yeah. Well, not absolutely directly.
• 36:37
  You went through squirrel, monkey, lizard, rodent phase
• 36:40
  right before before all that, so go ahead.
• 36:43
  Yeah, no, I believe in common descent.
• 36:46
  And yeah, I'm an agnostic atheist.
• 36:49
  Yeah. All right.
• 36:50
  Fair enough. So you actually believe that you
• 36:53
  came from the womb of a baboon? No.
• 36:58
  All right, so how did it work out?
• 36:59
  Go ahead and explain it to us while we're getting in the age
• 37:02
  of the Earth. We'll go ahead and throw you in
• 37:04
  there as well so you can enjoy yourself in the conversation.
• 37:08
  Yeah, No, thanks a lot. I appreciate that.
• 37:10
  No, I I came from the womb of my mother.
• 37:13
  I didn't come from the womb of a baboon.
• 37:16
  Right. Like your great great great
• 37:17
  great great grandfather was a baboon though, right?
• 37:21
  Yeah, but he didn't have a womb, so I didn't come from his.
• 37:26
  Womb. All right, well, that's fair
• 37:27
  enough. He came from some womb.
• 37:29
  Obviously, though, you get my point.
• 37:31
  You get my point. So what about the universe for
• 37:34
  you? How old do you think it is?
• 37:35
  Or does it even matter to you? I think the current scientific
• 37:41
  consensus is it's 13.8 billion years old, something like that,
• 37:45
  so. Why do you think that for?
• 37:46
  Why do you think that the universe is that old for?
• 37:49
  Why can't it be younger or older?
• 37:52
  Why that number? Just due to the scientific
• 37:56
  consensus and the microwave cosmic microwave background and
• 38:00
  there there are several different forms of evidence that
• 38:03
  have all converged. Well, I got a microwave myself,
• 38:07
  but the heat off of it isn't like a billion years old.
• 38:10
  Guys, I'll be right back in a moment.
• 38:12
  You guys enjoy your conversation with Wild Heart.
• 38:14
  I've talked to him many times. He's a great guy.
• 38:16
  He's really nice. Have a conversation with him.
• 38:19
  I'll be back momentarily. Thank you.
• 38:24
  Sorry, I was just going to say off of what Brett was asking.
• 38:28
  I think what he's asking is why? Why do you accept the 13.5 to
• 38:34
  14.5 billion year age over the new consensus or the new studies
• 38:40
  that are suggesting that it's like 30 to 40 billion years old?
• 38:44
  Oh, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm not aware of that.
• 38:48
  I'll have to. I'll have to look into that.
• 38:51
  Yeah, it is. It is something that happened in
• 38:53
  recent years. I think it happened like either
• 38:56
  two years ago or was earlier last year.
• 38:58
  But there are. If you just Google it, you'll
• 39:01
  see that there are scientific publications of articles talking
• 39:05
  about. It is that the scientific
• 39:09
  consensus now? I wouldn't say it's reached
• 39:13
  consensus level yet, but it's something that I've seen here
• 39:17
  and there and it has the potential to reach consensus
• 39:21
  because over the course of time, whenever the age of the universe
• 39:25
  and Earth is reassessed, without fail, they have made it older.
• 39:30
  They've never gone back and forth.
• 39:32
  It's always been older. Yeah.
• 39:34
  But I mean, if one scientist says something that has a
• 39:38
  potential of becoming consensus, but I mean, how many, how many,
• 39:44
  what kind of percentage is it of scientists that believe the
• 39:47
  universe is 30 to 40 billion years old?
• 39:52
  So I guess a question I could ask is, since you brought up
• 39:56
  consensus, what is it about scientific consensus that makes
• 40:02
  a view more authoritative to you versus just a view that seems
• 40:08
  well supported by evidence, regardless of what people say
• 40:12
  about it? What is it about consensus that
• 40:15
  is authoritative to you? It's not authoritative and it's
• 40:19
  not 100%. So I'm just saying I don't have
• 40:22
  time to look into every scientific theory and
• 40:25
  everything. So I trust the people who are
• 40:28
  experts in the field and you know, the scientific consensus
• 40:33
  is kind of, but it's not perfect, but it's the best way,
• 40:37
  you know, the layman can kind of judge things on also.
• 40:43
  So is it an issue of the people who are part of that consensus,
• 40:48
  basically authority figures? You believe that they have done
• 40:52
  the work to come to their conclusions, and so their
• 40:56
  opinions as a consensus, as a collective consensus, is
• 41:00
  trustworthy. And folks, I just returned I I
• 41:03
  feel a little conflicted. TTR I'm eating salmon at this
• 41:07
  moment and since it's genetically related to me
• 41:11
  according to atheists, I feel almost like a cannibal.
• 41:14
  But it smells so good. Go ahead, guys.
• 41:16
  Murderer. Go ahead.
• 41:22
  Yeah. So the the consensus thing is,
• 41:24
  it's just that I don't have time to look into it myself on every
• 41:28
  subject. So the scientific consensus is
• 41:32
  just it's not perfect and it could be wrong.
• 41:35
  It's just the best I have to go out without, you know, look into
• 41:38
  every scientific question in depth, which known as, you know,
• 41:42
  the time today. It could be.
• 41:45
  Instead of instead of looking into the consensus on
• 41:48
  everything, what about just one thing, Origins?
• 41:52
  Have you ever looked into that? Oranges, did you say?
• 41:56
  Or in or in Origins. Origins.
• 42:02
  Yeah. Have you examined the consensus
• 42:04
  on that to see why they come to that conclusion?
• 42:08
  Origins of what though? Well, Earth universe is the main
• 42:13
  point of contention between creationists and atheists, so
• 42:17
  that would be that particular consensus.
• 42:20
  Yeah, the consensus of scientists who believe the
• 42:24
  Earth, the universe is 13.8 billion years old now.
• 42:30
  No, he said. That wasn't consensus.
• 42:32
  It's because of the cosmic microwave back wave radiation,
• 42:36
  the amount of atoms, the kind of atoms you know.
• 42:40
  There were several different lines of inquiry that have led
• 42:43
  us to deduce that it's 30.8 billion years old.
• 42:48
  So I have looked into some more but doesn't.
• 42:53
  Cosmic microwave background radiation indicate stretching.
• 43:00
  Yeah, it's kind of yeah, like an average.
• 43:03
  But we The thing is, we predicted it before we got the
• 43:08
  results. The scientist said if the
• 43:12
  universe is expanding and then The Big Bang happened 13.8 years
• 43:17
  ago, we should expect these results before they did the
• 43:20
  test. Then they did the test and it
• 43:22
  lined up almost perfectly, if not perfectly.
• 43:26
  Yeah, what's really interest, what's really interesting
• 43:29
  though, is it seems to someone like myself that almost every
• 43:34
  single prediction they made was based off of answers you would
• 43:38
  have got from the Christian Bible.
• 43:42
  They just, they just rebranded it.
• 43:44
  That's. What I was going to bring up,
• 43:46
  because you brought up expansion of the universe being proved by
• 43:49
  this and how it's a Big Bang prediction, but when you read
• 43:52
  the Bible, there's multiple places where it also talks about
• 43:57
  an expanding universe. And so since that same Bible
• 44:00
  also says that the universe and Earth is 6000 years old, it
• 44:04
  stands to reason that an expanding universe and the
• 44:07
  evidence for it like you're bringing up, would actually
• 44:10
  support creationism just as much as it would support evolution or
• 44:14
  deep time. The way in the Bible does it
• 44:17
  says that the universe is 13.8 billion years old.
• 44:20
  I believe if you. Look in the upper.
• 44:23
  Oh, I was going to say I believe in the book of Isaiah.
• 44:25
  Doesn't it mention it describes the universe as expanding like a
• 44:29
  tent? Yeah.
• 44:30
  Just in Isaiah alone. Just in Isaiah alone there's
• 44:33
  like 5 or 6 places where it says that God is stretching out the
• 44:37
  heavens. Which multiple?
• 44:39
  Verses in the scripture. Spreads as a synonym for expand,
• 44:43
  and the word heavens in those contexts is referring to the
• 44:46
  universe. So the Bible itself literally
• 44:49
  teaches in that way that the earth, the universe, is
• 44:52
  expanding. And that same Bible also teaches
• 44:56
  a young earth. Well then it stands to reason
• 44:58
  that an expanding universe doesn't support creationism or
• 45:03
  evolution in any particular way. It would count.
• 45:05
  As an evidence and our our predictions are thousands of
• 45:08
  years old. But right, it doesn't give a
• 45:12
  debt. I mean, even if the universe was
• 45:15
  expanding, it doesn't say. The Bible doesn't even say that
• 45:18
  it's 6000 years old. You're right.
• 45:21
  It doesn't have a specific sentence where it says that, but
• 45:24
  when you look at the numbered genealogies provided by Genesis,
• 45:28
  Exodus, and First Kings chapter 6 verse one, you realize it
• 45:33
  covers the entire time between the beginning of the earth and
• 45:36
  universe all the way to the fourth year of King Solomon's
• 45:39
  reign, which was 9900 years before Christ was born, which
• 45:44
  was 2000 years ago. You add up that number, those
• 45:47
  numbers, and you get a number of roughly 6100 years.
• 45:51
  There's some questions out in the comments ladies and
• 45:53
  gentlemen, and I know that you guys can't see the interface the
• 45:57
  same way I do because I'm running through OBS.
• 46:00
  But one of the questions people had out there is how old was
• 46:03
  Adam and Eve before the age setup started working for them?
• 46:09
  And I think their point is is before death was introduced in
• 46:12
  the world and weren't Adam and Eve considered like immortal?
• 46:16
  How long did they exist before the corruption and entropy set
• 46:20
  in? Well.
• 46:23
  Yes, the Bible does clearly teach that Adam and Eve were
• 46:26
  created on the 6th day of creation and we know from
• 46:29
  Genesis chapter, I think it's four, that Adam was 130 years
• 46:35
  old when Seth was born. So the fall occurred somewhere
• 46:40
  in that 130 year span. The problem is we don't have any
• 46:44
  more information than that, so we don't know exactly when in
• 46:47
  that 130 year span the fall happened.
• 46:50
  But the point is, with science, we've used several different
• 46:53
  techniques to converge on the same thing.
• 46:56
  All you've got is the Bible and genealogist.
• 47:00
  With science, you've got more than one like ways of detecting
• 47:04
  how all the universe is and they all converge.
• 47:07
  All you've got is genealogies from the Bible.
• 47:09
  Like one data source. Well, you act.
• 47:12
  Like, that's a wild heart. You act like that's a little
• 47:14
  bitty thing. I mean, you're basically going
• 47:17
  out and finding cat bones out in the desert is where we actually
• 47:20
  got sentient human beings who've written these things down and
• 47:23
  documented them. It seems like a lot bigger deal
• 47:26
  than just open up a can of Reese's Pieces there, guy.
• 47:29
  So I have a question for Wild Heart.
• 47:32
  Does he know? Do you know Wild heart, the
• 47:35
  origin of the concept of deep time?
• 47:38
  The origin of the concept of deep time.
• 47:41
  Yeah, how it started. No.
• 47:44
  Could you explain that to me please?
• 47:46
  I think I do, but I'm not sure I.
• 47:48
  Think yeah, it was James Hutton. I believe he went to Sicker
• 47:52
  Point. He saw that there were these
• 47:54
  different sediment layers at Sicker Point, and he arbitrarily
• 47:59
  declared that there was an indefinite amount of time
• 48:03
  between each of the sentiment layers being laid down.
• 48:05
  He didn't have any evidence to support that assertion.
• 48:08
  It was an arbitrary assertion that he made and that became
• 48:13
  popular and became accepted. And then that's where the whole
• 48:17
  concept of deep time came from, because eventually an indefinite
• 48:21
  amount of time became numbers a lot older than 6010 thousand
• 48:26
  years, eventually became billions of years, eventually
• 48:28
  became billions of years, and now they're trying to say it's
• 48:31
  30 to 40 billion years old. So literally the whole concept
• 48:35
  of deep time started with a man going to a geological location
• 48:40
  on the earth and arbitrarily declaring that each of the
• 48:44
  sentiment layers were laid down over an indefinitely long period
• 48:48
  of time. In other words, really slowly.
• 48:50
  Of course, we've had natural catastrophes happen that prove
• 48:55
  that sediment layers of that magnitude get laid down pretty
• 48:58
  fast. Like the Mount Saint Helens
• 49:00
  eruption, for example, laid down hundreds of thousands of years
• 49:05
  worth of sediment layers in just a few hours.
• 49:08
  But what I'm asking is, outside of the Bible and the
• 49:11
  genealogies, what other parts of data do you have to determine
• 49:16
  that the universe is 6000 years old?
• 49:18
  Science has made old. The documents and the Bible that
• 49:23
  gave us this information of how old the earth and universe is,
• 49:26
  the information we used to figure out how old it is.
• 49:29
  Those particular documents are historical documents.
• 49:33
  They're not poetry. They're not some kind of they're
• 49:36
  not some kind of non literal, non historical literature.
• 49:40
  They're historical documents. You know.
• 49:43
  I I the age. Of the universe, from the
• 49:46
  biblical perspective, is a matter of history.
• 49:49
  And when we're talking about the age of the Earth and universe,
• 49:51
  it's a historical question it requires.
• 49:54
  Historical. Investigation I.
• 49:56
  I was wanting to point out something too and I I don't know
• 49:59
  why it is that non believers and some theists I've talked to
• 50:03
  haven't noticed this when reading the Bible.
• 50:05
  But doesn't anybody find it interesting that these primitive
• 50:08
  ancient men that are mocked by atheists, they were writing
• 50:12
  about an entity that was out in the void of space and actually
• 50:17
  created the world and the planet.
• 50:20
  They, they and somehow. They knew, yeah.
• 50:22
  And somehow they knew that the universe was expanding, even
• 50:25
  though they apparently didn't have the technology to know
• 50:28
  that. Kind of strange, but.
• 50:29
  Also, can I point something out saying besides the Bible, how
• 50:35
  can you prove these predictions that are proven accurate?
• 50:37
  That's a little bit like us saying besides with your peer
• 50:43
  review research, what evidence can you bring?
• 50:48
  Because our question would be the scripture and prediction
• 50:51
  predictions in the scripture is being proven accurate is
• 50:55
  actually done for us by proving the universe is still expanding
• 50:59
  because God says he is expanding it.
• 51:02
  I mean, come on, It's, it's kind of a double standard, right?
• 51:06
  If it's true, that if it's true, that God is.
• 51:09
  I talk about can. You guys hear me?
• 51:11
  No, you're fine. I actually talked about that
• 51:14
  extensively. I have an entire.
• 51:16
  I have lots of documentation that I actually uploaded to my
• 51:20
  discord server for people to go ahead and review because there's
• 51:24
  nothing that irritates me faster than when a non believer
• 51:28
  especially comes to me and says where's your peer reviewed
• 51:30
  research because I will spend the next hour letting the
• 51:35
  entirety of the world know that I do not.
• 51:37
  First of all, I don't respect your false appeal to the
• 51:40
  authority, the supposed authority of the peer review
• 51:43
  process, which is literally only designed to maintain narrative
• 51:47
  and quash any argument that could be even remotely
• 51:51
  creationistic or theological. That's the only thing that the
• 51:54
  peer review process is there for is to make sure that the status
• 51:59
  quo gets maintained, to make sure that nobody is talking
• 52:03
  against Charles Darwin, to make sure that nobody is talking
• 52:06
  against anything atheistic. That is what the peer review
• 52:10
  status is about. That's all it's about.
• 52:13
  Plus if you. Plus, if you go onto a search
• 52:15
  engine, if you just Google or type into any search engine
• 52:19
  problems with peer review, you're going to get hours upon
• 52:23
  hours upon hours worth of articles detailing all of the
• 52:27
  problems with the whole process of peer review.
• 52:30
  And the bottom line message you're going to get from that
• 52:32
  research is, wow, peer review process is not nearly as
• 52:36
  reliable as it's held out to be. So when you feel blindly to peer
• 52:40
  reviewed studies to justify beliefs in things regarding
• 52:44
  origins, it shows that you're a little too trusting.
• 52:49
  Yeah, and that's, and that's exactly why they appeal to it as
• 52:51
  they do, because they don't like to, they don't like to admit the
• 52:55
  fact that they, they, they do, they, the thing about them is
• 53:00
  that again, they're at some point the peer review process
• 53:03
  has become their Holy Grail, right?
• 53:05
  And the minute that you start giving them information and
• 53:09
  their mindset, you guys got to understand that these people
• 53:12
  truly do believe that if it is not something that you're
• 53:15
  stating that has gone through the, the farce that is known as
• 53:19
  peer review to them, there is nothing credible about what you
• 53:23
  are saying. Not a single thing.
• 53:24
  Mind you, people like Albert Einstein, never ever.
• 53:28
  The peer review process didn't even exist.
• 53:30
  And people look at his scientific theories to this day
• 53:33
  as the law, but. At the end of the day.
• 53:35
  Holidays they they look at you like like the peer review is
• 53:38
  what you owe them. We don't owe you anything.
• 53:41
  And then there's people like the creationist Mark Armitage, who
• 53:44
  managed to publish a study that made it through the peer review
• 53:47
  process where he showed that these dinosaur bones that he
• 53:51
  found that were not fossilized were basically around at the
• 53:54
  same time that humans were. His reward for making such a
• 53:58
  monumental study was he got fired from his job.
• 54:01
  He ended up going to court with his with the university that he
• 54:04
  worked for and they ended up settling out of court with him
• 54:07
  because they were going to get exposed.
• 54:10
  In a public dream, we really should.
• 54:12
  Guys. We really should let Wildheart
• 54:15
  have his say though, because he has been waiting very patiently,
• 54:18
  maybe 10 minutes. Now he has Steven, he's had his
• 54:21
  hand up, so we'll let him speak real quick.
• 54:24
  But I want to say to Tucker and others out there saying, hey,
• 54:26
  can I come in? If you look at the title of the
• 54:29
  video, it says everyone welcome, join at your own, you know,
• 54:34
  whatever. So go ahead.
• 54:36
  Links in the description and comments, Wildheart, give it to
• 54:39
  us. Oh yeah.
• 54:41
  Yeah, no, that that was actually my point.
• 54:43
  It it's slightly unfair for like 5 people to keep asking me
• 54:47
  questions without. I mean, I must have been asked
• 54:50
  like 20 questions and I'll tell. You what?
• 54:52
  Wild heart? I'll make a deal with you.
• 54:54
  I won't ask you any more questions.
• 54:56
  I'll just moderate and all that, and I'll let the other gentleman
• 55:00
  in the room. I have.
• 55:01
  One for him. I have a good one for him.
• 55:03
  Yeah, right. Northern England or lowland
• 55:10
  Scotland? What do you mean where?
• 55:15
  Are you from? Oh, northern England,
• 55:17
  Manchester. What?
• 55:20
  That's. Awesome.
• 55:21
  OK. I had a feeling, Yeah.
• 55:22
  Do you have a Manchester accent? Yeah, OK, all.
• 55:27
  Right, next question. Who?
• 55:29
  Who's going to throw rocks at him?
• 55:33
  OK, well based on what we were talking about, I guess the
• 55:37
  question I would have for him is that why would he trust anything
• 55:44
  that comes out of the peer review process?
• 55:46
  Like it's any form of gospel truth when a simple Google
• 55:50
  search can give you a lifetime's worth of articles detailing
• 55:54
  problems with the peer review process.
• 55:58
  I first of all, I don't speak at his gospel.
• 56:01
  And yeah, it could be wrong and there are problems with the PV
• 56:06
  process, so I don't and it's not.
• 56:13
  All right folks, while you guys are working out whatever issues
• 56:16
  are going on on this conflict, Tucker 1611 has entered the
• 56:21
  room. Welcome to the room.
• 56:22
  I'm glad you came by. I threw him out an invite as
• 56:25
  well as Brother Mark. I appreciate you both coming in.
• 56:28
  You guys are incredibly awesome, so it would you like to
• 56:31
  participate in the conversation or to keep things fair on my
• 56:34
  buddy Wild Heart who is a identifies himself as an
• 56:38
  atheist. I am going to just moderate and
• 56:41
  keep my pie hole shut while you gentlemen get to talk to him and
• 56:45
  learn about what a great fella he has.
• 56:47
  Sound good, Wild Heart. Sound fair.
• 56:50
  Yeah, it's more than and I wasn't having to go at you.
• 56:53
  I was asking you to be quiet. If someone asks me a question,
• 56:56
  just let me answer that question rather than asking me 20
• 57:00
  questions. Not just you.
• 57:01
  I mean, you know, I. Hear you.
• 57:03
  I mean, even the most intelligent folks out there,
• 57:06
  getting the shotgun effect is rough.
• 57:08
  And these guys are all brilliant and stuff and hopefully they'll
• 57:11
  come over and have BBQ with me when these days.
• 57:13
  So I get it, I get it. Go ahead, guys.
• 57:17
  Hey, Brett, if it would help, I will play devil's advocate.
• 57:21
  I will take on the part of a evolutionist tonight.
• 57:25
  And anytime you guys ask me questions, I'll say we don't
• 57:27
  know or I'll say billions of years ago.
• 57:31
  Well, you can do whatever you want on that.
• 57:33
  But you do remember that I got a lot of haters out there and
• 57:36
  they're going to probably grab your video and say, oh, look, he
• 57:38
  turned into an atheist. And you know, documentaries have
• 57:42
  been made about you and all that.
• 57:43
  So it's up to you. It looks like Tucker 1611 is
• 57:49
  actually wanting to talk to you. Well, I just joined because I
• 57:53
  know you said you wanted to talk to me, but if you, if you want,
• 57:57
  I can join another time. Like I don't know, I just joined
• 57:59
  because I came across one of your videos and like I don't
• 58:02
  know you, you calmed down my video.
• 58:03
  I'm not sure if this was what you meant so.
• 58:10
  Well, Tucker, I've been going around and finding a people that
• 58:13
  I find interesting that are in the theist and Christian
• 58:16
  department and all that. And I've also invited people of
• 58:19
  other faiths, and you were one of the people that I found
• 58:22
  interesting that I felt would be able to contribute to some of
• 58:25
  the conversations on the show. If you're busy or I've been
• 58:29
  convenienced to you in any way, you have my public apology right
• 58:32
  now. No, no, not at all.
• 58:34
  I appreciate you inviting me on. I appreciate that.
• 58:39
  All right, awesome, awesome. You're welcome.
• 58:41
  Any time to jump in and and add to the conversation?
• 58:45
  Anybody else have some more questions for Wild Heart?
• 58:48
  And remember, if you ask one, then you got to be patient
• 58:51
  enough to let him respond and then the next person can start
• 58:55
  doing the shoveling or whatever you're doing.
• 58:57
  Go ahead. Thank you, I appreciate it.
• 59:11
  All right, Tag, I'm in. Well, all right, wild heart
• 59:13
  question for you, Sir. As far as transitional fossils
• 59:19
  go, obviously as a creationist, I would say there's an extreme
• 59:22
  lack of transitional fossils. But out of the claims,
• 59:26
  transitional fossils in the human family, could you maybe
• 59:30
  point to the transitional fossil where you think we developed
• 59:34
  that sentience that separates us from the rest of the animal
• 59:38
  Kingdom? No, that would be, it would be
• 59:42
  difficult to distinguish that from like fossils.
• 59:46
  I would say impossible. Yeah, can't do it.
• 59:53
  There's no way of selling from a fossil.
• 59:55
  Well, like if one had consciousness and the other one
• 59:58
  didn't, just going off the fossils, I don't know how you
• 1:00:01
  can do that. Because, after all, fossils are
• 1:00:05
  mostly just dead bones on the ground.
• 1:00:09
  So, so to make things also a little bit fair, let's go ahead
• 1:00:13
  and get to know some of the other people in the room as
• 1:00:15
  well. Instead of it be let's get on
• 1:00:18
  wild heart all night and everything like that.
• 1:00:20
  Let's give him a little bit of a break.
• 1:00:21
  Tucker, are you what is referred to as a young Earth creationist?
• 1:00:25
  Old earth? What's your thoughts on
• 1:00:27
  evolution and all the fun stuff? Did we were we once a frog were
• 1:00:33
  kissed by a Princess and then evolved into what we are today?
• 1:00:36
  What's your thoughts? I'm a younger createness.
• 1:00:40
  I do not believe in evolution. I actually find it to be quite
• 1:00:45
  preposterous and just silly for the reasons you just laid out.
• 1:00:50
  And you know, in order for evolution to be a actually real,
• 1:00:54
  you would have to pause attack like we that fish came out of
• 1:00:59
  water and started walking on on land.
• 1:01:03
  And basically evolution is just basically the backwards of
• 1:01:06
  everything. The Bible teaches.
• 1:01:07
  Death came before. So death brought people into the
• 1:01:11
  world, whereas people brought death into the world.
• 1:01:15
  And basically death is seen as the, and this is the stuff I got
• 1:01:21
  from truth in Genesis. Death is basically seen as the
• 1:01:24
  hero in in everything, because death brought everything into
• 1:01:28
  creation, essentially. So that's why I reject
• 1:01:31
  evolution, because it's just not even.
• 1:01:33
  It doesn't even seem like logical.
• 1:01:39
  Right, because you can't just keep losing information and then
• 1:01:42
  suddenly you gain information through loss.
• 1:01:45
  Well, I actually talked about that.
• 1:01:47
  I've got to be, I don't know if you were on my show when I
• 1:01:49
  talked about that, but there was, there was, there's some
• 1:01:52
  very like the thing about those kinds of theories is that if you
• 1:01:56
  look at their standards for when things actually occur and they
• 1:02:00
  transpire. And when I say that, I mean, for
• 1:02:01
  example, the way that evolutionists like to say that a
• 1:02:05
  whale used to be a species called the Packacetus and that
• 1:02:09
  over a time of about 43 some odd million years they evolved.
• 1:02:15
  But then when you actually use their standards for the amount
• 1:02:18
  of positive genetic mutations that would need to occur for a
• 1:02:22
  Packacetus to evolve to a whale. Got TV?
• 1:02:25
  Were you on my show when I was talking about that?
• 1:02:34
  Yeah, Were you, were you on that day when I was talking about the
• 1:02:37
  farce that is the Pacetus to whale evolution thing?
• 1:02:43
  Right. OK, right.
• 1:02:49
  Yeah. So I actually went over, I even
• 1:02:51
  played a video and. And here's the thing guys, all
• 1:02:55
  of this information was brought forth by a scientific group at
• 1:02:59
  Cornell University and they were saying that a Packacetus to a
• 1:03:03
  whale, that 43.3 million years according to their standards
• 1:03:08
  wouldn't have even been enough for a Packacetus to incur 2
• 1:03:12
  beneficial mutations, not even 2.
• 1:03:14
  It wouldn't even been enough time.
• 1:03:16
  They didn't even have 1/4 of the time.
• 1:03:18
  And everybody in here smart enough to know that a
• 1:03:20
  Packacetus, which was a wolf like dog like animal, often the
• 1:03:24
  same size, to go from that to a whale would have need to have
• 1:03:28
  incurred thousands of genetic mutations in order to go from a
• 1:03:33
  furry land mammal to an aquatic mammal.
• 1:03:38
  That it just, it makes absolutely no sense.
• 1:03:40
  And I read out, I read out some of the changes that needed to be
• 1:03:42
  made and then it said and thousands more.
• 1:03:44
  It makes absolutely no sense. I, I just, I don't understand
• 1:03:47
  how these people can look at this data and still with a
• 1:03:50
  straight face AC and say, yes, yes, we used to be bacteria.
• 1:03:54
  It is just, I'm sorry, it just, it is so intellectually
• 1:03:57
  dishonest. It's hilarious to.
• 1:03:59
  Me. Can I just bring up Francis
• 1:04:02
  Collins, you know, the head of the Human Genome Project?
• 1:04:05
  Yes. Yeah, He's a evangelical
• 1:04:08
  Christian, and he says that the DNA evidence alone is enough to
• 1:04:13
  prove common dissent. So I don't see how you can say
• 1:04:17
  it's intellectually dishonest. An evangelical Christian can say
• 1:04:21
  that the day and the evidence alone is not because.
• 1:04:25
  It's because he views modern science, more specifically
• 1:04:29
  majority of the scientific and academic communities opinion.
• 1:04:33
  He views that as a higher authority than the Bible on
• 1:04:35
  Oracle. So that's how it comes to that
• 1:04:37
  conclusion. Correct.
• 1:04:39
  And and not only that, but I, I, I'm sorry and, and, and no way
• 1:04:43
  do I mean to be disrespectful or sound gruff, but sharing genetic
• 1:04:47
  traits with any other animal has absolutely nothing to do with
• 1:04:52
  you. You share genetic traits because
• 1:04:53
  you're on the same planet, you have the same designer, you have
• 1:04:56
  the same creator. It in no way means that we all
• 1:05:00
  came from the same creature and and the the lack of transitional
• 1:05:04
  species regardless of what Organism you're studying is
• 1:05:08
  glaring. It's it's why the descent list
• 1:05:11
  exists. It is why you had over 1200 PhD
• 1:05:14
  holding individuals who finally decided after decades of holding
• 1:05:19
  the theory of evolution as being supposedly true, who finally
• 1:05:22
  stood up and said, I can no longer look at the theory of
• 1:05:25
  evolution as truth. And, and, and today there's no
• 1:05:30
  way you can you, you have the only people who really want
• 1:05:33
  evolution to be true are people who have an issue with God
• 1:05:37
  because there's, there is no, there's literally no proof.
• 1:05:39
  There's no proof. Scientists have been caught so
• 1:05:42
  many times Gish galloping and putting bones together that
• 1:05:46
  don't even go together. They they've even been caught
• 1:05:48
  and and have been found guilty of by their peers grabbing leg
• 1:05:53
  bones and putting it together with another with with other
• 1:05:56
  bones and fossils that they found several miles away.
• 1:05:58
  Now, how do you justify that? It's it's it's hilarious to me.
• 1:06:02
  Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.
• 1:06:03
  We we got some people out in text though Guardian says the
• 1:06:08
  Hebrew and Christian God are the same.
• 1:06:10
  One the difference is 1 believes in Jesus and the other believes
• 1:06:15
  in Lord grace. And then Mr. Morton says hold
• 1:06:19
  on, only for Christians is it the same God.
• 1:06:22
  Jews don't believe their God sent Jesus or Muhammad.
• 1:06:27
  I have actually had Christians on my show who there are some of
• 1:06:31
  them, believe it or not, who think that there might be some
• 1:06:34
  relationship between the God of the Bible and Muhammad and Allah
• 1:06:39
  and all that kind of stuff. I've heard it.
• 1:06:40
  I don't agree with it, but that's that is something I've
• 1:06:43
  heard. Yeah, and Muhammad was a great
• 1:06:47
  plagiarist. He sure was.
• 1:06:49
  Yeah, a lot of people got to remember, wouldn't the Quran
• 1:06:52
  written like 506 hundred years later?
• 1:06:55
  I mean, that's plagiarism, ladies and gentlemen, that's
• 1:06:57
  plagiarism. Yeah, something around and.
• 1:06:59
  Not only and not only was it 700, there's one of the biggest
• 1:07:04
  reasons why, believe it or not, so many people are leaving the
• 1:07:07
  Nation of Islam, despite what they want to tell you about it
• 1:07:09
  being the fastest for a religion is that people have discovered
• 1:07:13
  the Internet and and before people didn't have access to the
• 1:07:17
  information that they have now, right.
• 1:07:18
  People wanted to teach Quran, but they didn't want to look at
• 1:07:21
  the hadees and, and the very first thing that I asked people
• 1:07:25
  who are Muslim and say that the Bible is corrupted.
• 1:07:28
  Well, I say, first of all, we still have the manuscripts,
• 1:07:31
  right? We look at the manuscripts and
• 1:07:33
  even even agnostic, atheist, whatever he calls of people like
• 1:07:36
  Bart Erman have admitted that the manuscripts have not been
• 1:07:39
  changed. The only thing that are minor
• 1:07:42
  variance between ancient manuscripts would be like
• 1:07:44
  scribal errors, spelling errors, things like that, but nothing
• 1:07:47
  that changes the message. But then again, right?
• 1:07:49
  We have the we have the oldest anesthesians of all works of
• 1:07:54
  antiquity, correct? Can I?
• 1:07:56
  Can I? Address that just real quick,
• 1:07:58
  wild heart. I wanted to say to Mr. Maverick
• 1:08:01
  that one of the oddest things I've also discovered by going in
• 1:08:05
  the Muslim rooms and having conversations with them, as many
• 1:08:08
  Christians know, they have an issue with the crucifixion and
• 1:08:12
  they see Jesus is just a very respected like prophet or just a
• 1:08:16
  a man that walked around. But I asked him repeatedly and I
• 1:08:20
  get dead silence on this. I say if he was just merely a
• 1:08:23
  man, then why is Allah sending Christ back in the apocalypse to
• 1:08:28
  in the world and do all this in your own book?
• 1:08:31
  If he was just a guy, then what's he doing coming back?
• 1:08:34
  You know, laugh the smack down on Rudy Pooh's.
• 1:08:37
  You know what I mean? What's going on in there, guys?
• 1:08:40
  I have had one guy who tried to answer that and his answer made
• 1:08:43
  as little sense as that kid who was on my show the other night
• 1:08:47
  got TVI Kid you not does does. He was he was trying to make
• 1:08:53
  distinctions between the types of judgment and it basically he
• 1:08:57
  was trying to sidestep the fact that Jesus was returning to
• 1:09:00
  judge and not Muhammad. Right.
• 1:09:02
  And I said at the end of the day, God doesn't make
• 1:09:05
  distinctions between judgment. Whoever gets to judge the human
• 1:09:09
  race is God, which means that Jesus returning to judge is God.
• 1:09:13
  To say nothing of the fact that Khalif Uthman had all of the
• 1:09:16
  original manuscripts gathered and decided many hundreds of
• 1:09:20
  years ago which one was the one that he favored.
• 1:09:22
  Because people had so many different versions of the
• 1:09:25
  original manuscripts of the Quran that they were actually
• 1:09:28
  getting into conflicts over it, bloody conflicts over it.
• 1:09:31
  So Khalif Utman had to gather all of the manuscripts from all
• 1:09:34
  over the lands, burn all of them, and decide which one was
• 1:09:38
  going to be the unified Quran. So my question is, how could
• 1:09:41
  something that is actually God's word be actually God's word if
• 1:09:46
  the majority of the original manuscripts were burned?
• 1:09:48
  The only reason you would burn it is because you're trying to
• 1:09:51
  cover controversy. Exactly, exactly, Mr. Guardian.
• 1:09:56
  Mr. Guardian out here says no one cares or believes anything
• 1:10:00
  about the Crown, so it's pointless to bring up.
• 1:10:02
  Well, I personally am open to a diverse show.
• 1:10:06
  I I welcome Muslims that come in and they're more than welcome to
• 1:10:10
  put forth their ideas and thoughts, and I'm more than
• 1:10:12
  happy to unpackage them little by little.
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  Glad wild heart, you've been waiting a while again.
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  You go ahead and then TTR please.
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  Just to go back to the manuscripts, we don't have any
• 1:10:26
  original manuscripts from the Christian, the New Testament.
• 1:10:31
  We there's no way of knowing how close they are to the original.
• 1:10:36
  I think it's like 2 or 300 years later, the earliest actual
• 1:10:41
  manuscripts we have and it's like credit card pieces of.
• 1:10:44
  So we don't have any original manuscripts.
• 1:10:47
  What? You're talking about is P22, but
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  we have found manuscripts that are older than that now, and I
• 1:10:52
  totally disagree with you. Some of the latest manuscripts
• 1:10:55
  we have, or earliest in this case, would be like just 90
• 1:10:59
  years after the time of Jesus Christ.
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  And we know that they have common manuscripts that predate
• 1:11:05
  that, that they're in the same ancestry of.
• 1:11:08
  And we know this because of the way the manuscript history was
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  spread. God did it in the most clever
• 1:11:13
  possible way. It's spread through the entire
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  world in multiple languages, all verifying the original
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  manuscripts. So I disagree with you wild
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  heart. And and not but when you but but
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  that that comment is is rooted in.
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  It's a very common and popular argument among non believers.
• 1:11:31
  But here's the problem with that to it.
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  To add on to what my counterpart just said, the the insinuation
• 1:11:36
  that you're making when you say something like that is that,
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  well, you don't have any original autographs, any
• 1:11:42
  original manuscripts. Therefore there really is no
• 1:11:44
  reliability. Well, here's the problem with
• 1:11:46
  that. Every single document from the
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  ancient world, whether it's secular or sacred, survives only
• 1:11:52
  in copies. We don't have the originals of
• 1:11:54
  things like Homer's Iliad, anything from Plato, Julius
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  Caesar. Yet literally nobody, nobody at
• 1:12:01
  all tries to use those arguments for any of those other things,
• 1:12:04
  right? Nobody.
• 1:12:05
  It's about the reliability of those.
• 1:12:07
  So why the double standard with the Bible, right?
• 1:12:10
  Because if you throw out scripture for that reason, then
• 1:12:12
  you have to, you have to throw out the entire classical world
• 1:12:15
  into the trash, right? How could you possibly have the
• 1:12:19
  original of something that is so old?
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  It's exactly why the copies were made, because people knew that
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  the originals eventually would no longer be sustainable, so you
• 1:12:28
  have to copy these things down. Yeah, it's, it's not a double
• 1:12:31
  standard. I'm saying if you don't have the
• 1:12:33
  originals, even if it's only 90 years later, you can't say that
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  they there's no way of. There's no way of knowing how
• 1:12:41
  close they are to the originals if you don't have the originals.
• 1:12:45
  So what you're saying by the original is basically, OK, it's
• 1:12:49
  just the first copy. Well, here's the problem.
• 1:12:51
  None of those manuscripts were ever copied, just one person to
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  another. There has always been checks and
• 1:12:56
  balances as to who's making these copies, what are they
• 1:12:59
  writing? Are they changing anything?
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  And it wasn't just like, OK, this is one person who's doing
• 1:13:03
  it, and then there's another person who's doing it.
• 1:13:04
  But then still brings me back to my original is that every single
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  document from the ancient world, regardless of whether it was
• 1:13:11
  secular or otherwise, survives only in copies.
• 1:13:15
  Everything not not. Just that.
• 1:13:18
  But when you have first and second generation manuscripts
• 1:13:21
  all matching each other and correlating from multiple parts
• 1:13:24
  of the world, that's strong evidence that they all come from
• 1:13:28
  the identical manuscripts in the first generation.
• 1:13:31
  And then you'd have to explain things like every single time
• 1:13:34
  that there is a, a, an archaeological find that
• 1:13:38
  verifies anything biblically, it only ever reaffirms again that
• 1:13:42
  still nothing has changed, right?
• 1:13:44
  You're like the Dead Sea Scrolls.
• 1:13:45
  The Dead Sea Scrolls weren't discovered until the late 1940s,
• 1:13:48
  and yet still the remnants of everything found in there was
• 1:13:51
  still word for word what they had thousands of years before
• 1:13:55
  that. We got some people out there,
• 1:13:58
  Guardian says. Brad, I hope I didn't offend
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  you. I apologize and all that.
• 1:14:01
  Don't worry about it. You only hurt my feelings if you
• 1:14:04
  make fun of my socks. That's the only thing that'll
• 1:14:06
  get me. So there you go.
• 1:14:08
  And also for other people that are asking out there who want to
• 1:14:12
  use my video on your YouTube channel, it's fine just as long
• 1:14:16
  as you don't edit or cut someone out of context.
• 1:14:19
  I mean that for the atheists as well as the religious folks.
• 1:14:22
  Don't cut people up. What the what the conversation
• 1:14:26
  flow and be fluid and be consistent.
• 1:14:28
  Don't don't try to make people look like goofballs.
• 1:14:31
  Go ahead. Right.
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  That's. Very fair by the.
• 1:14:36
  Way One thing I'd like to ask is that in light of what Wildheart
• 1:14:40
  is saying here, if what he's saying is true, then why do
• 1:14:44
  people like Bart Ehrman say that?
• 1:14:46
  We know with 99 Percent, 99.9% certainty that the text of the
• 1:14:52
  Bible we have today is what was originally written.
• 1:14:56
  He's someone who doesn't have any skin in the game as far as
• 1:14:59
  Christianity goes. He's an opponent of Christianity
• 1:15:02
  and he's saying that. So why would he say that if what
• 1:15:05
  you're saying is true? I question that.
• 1:15:09
  I'm not saying you're wrong, but I've heard him say what I just
• 1:15:13
  basically said. There's no way of knowing
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  without the original manuscripts.
• 1:15:17
  I call manuscripts, and I would have to look into that.
• 1:15:20
  I'm not saying you. Yeah.
• 1:15:21
  I was going to say you might want to.
• 1:15:23
  I don't know if you either misheard or probably heard
• 1:15:26
  something he was saying out of context, because I actually have
• 1:15:29
  it up here and I will read it to you guys.
• 1:15:31
  Bart Ehrman, who is the atheist's favorite punching bag
• 1:15:34
  of a scholar, admits this himself in debates that there is
• 1:15:37
  no essential Christian doctrine that is affected by textual
• 1:15:41
  variants. The remaining variants are minor
• 1:15:43
  spelling mistakes, word order, etcetera, and we know exactly
• 1:15:47
  where they are. To follow that up, Doctor Dan
• 1:15:51
  Wallace says that we have an embarrassment of riches.
• 1:15:56
  The text of the New Testament is 99.5% pure and when you compare
• 1:16:02
  those things to other other writings of antiquity, the New
• 1:16:06
  Testament has over 25,800 manuscripts, 5800 of them Greek
• 1:16:12
  alone, 20,000 and other languages.
• 1:16:15
  All from less than 100 years after the events where as you
• 1:16:18
  have 210 for Plato's works. That's the that's the amount of
• 1:16:23
  manuscripts that we have for Plato 210 which came 1200 years
• 1:16:27
  after the events after Plato. Tacitus has 30 manuscripts,
• 1:16:31
  which came a full millennia after, and Caesar's Galilean
• 1:16:34
  wars, we have 10 manuscripts 900 years later.
• 1:16:37
  So it's always hilarious to me when people become these
• 1:16:40
  historical that, you know, everyone becomes a historical
• 1:16:44
  expert and wants to tell you when these things were written
• 1:16:46
  about Christ and when they were written and how they were
• 1:16:48
  written away. But nobody bats an eye at the
• 1:16:50
  fact that most of what you look at as what you think of his true
• 1:16:54
  accurate history came exponentially further after the
• 1:16:57
  events and after the person. But they absolutely don't have
• 1:17:00
  anything to say about that, which to me is not only comical,
• 1:17:03
  but a hypocritical. Great points, brother.
• 1:17:05
  Maverick, hold on one second while do Tucker as well as
• 1:17:09
  Steven. You guys been quiet for a little
• 1:17:11
  bit? You know, I like it when
• 1:17:12
  everybody's able to participate or it gets on fun.
• 1:17:15
  Either one of you have something you'd like to express in the
• 1:17:17
  conversation. I had to step away for a little
• 1:17:20
  bit, so that's why I was a little quiet.
• 1:17:22
  I do apologize. So regarding the last thing I
• 1:17:27
  heard was about the relation between the Muslim God and the
• 1:17:33
  Christian God or whatever, or the Jewish God, I think was the
• 1:17:36
  last thing I heard. I would say those are different
• 1:17:40
  gods. And did you want me to touch on
• 1:17:42
  that? You can if you like this.
• 1:17:45
  When I create my shows, my shows are meant for the guests as well
• 1:17:49
  to be able to come up with ever topics or views you want to
• 1:17:52
  share. It's not just a Brett Keene.
• 1:17:55
  It may say Brett Keene show, but you're all just as welcome as
• 1:17:58
  myself to share your views. All right.
• 1:18:02
  All right, yeah. So I would say those are
• 1:18:04
  absolutely separate gods. So, you know, even the God of
• 1:18:09
  like, and I don't want to, I don't want to divide like the
• 1:18:12
  Christian Christianity, but even certain like gods of like
• 1:18:16
  Calvinism and the God of Christianity, I would say, and
• 1:18:20
  that's what I'm saying, like it's different God.
• 1:18:22
  So I don't want to go in that territory.
• 1:18:24
  But what I will say is the God of Islam is certainly not the
• 1:18:27
  God of Christianity because the God of Islam is Unitarian God
• 1:18:31
  that doesn't exist. And the God of Christianity is a
• 1:18:35
  trying being. And obviously, you know, that
• 1:18:37
  plays into the territory of modalism and all these other
• 1:18:41
  different views of the Trinity. It's like, you know, there's a
• 1:18:45
  polytheistic view of the social Trinity, I think is what it's
• 1:18:47
  called. So yeah, these are all very
• 1:18:52
  different gods. And there's only one true God.
• 1:18:58
  And I always say that Jesus Christ are one true God.
• 1:19:01
  But at the same time, God is a triumph being.
• 1:19:04
  So we have the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit.
• 1:19:06
  But at the same time, when you look at these other religions,
• 1:19:08
  Judaism doesn't worship the God of Christianity.
• 1:19:11
  And This is why why a lot of people don't like what I have to
• 1:19:15
  say, but I will say it. The Old Testament was a
• 1:19:18
  Christian book. It's a book for Christians.
• 1:19:21
  People in the Old Testament were Christians like the the
• 1:19:24
  Israelites were Christians. Jesus Christ was and is a
• 1:19:27
  Christian. He is the Christian God.
• 1:19:29
  And this is where I get myself in trouble by saying that.
• 1:19:31
  But Judaism as it is defined today is not what Judaism was in
• 1:19:36
  the Old Testament. In fact, the word you didn't
• 1:19:38
  really come up until like 500 BC I believe in.
• 1:19:41
  I think it was in second Kings or first Kings.
• 1:19:45
  I forgot which one it was, but I think it was second kings.
• 1:19:47
  But besides the point, the word you really just denotes to the
• 1:19:52
  children of Abraham, of which the Christians are the children
• 1:19:54
  of Abraham, not the people, the the flesh, the people who claim
• 1:19:57
  to be the flesh of the years. So I know I just spent a lot of
• 1:20:02
  time rambling. I do apologize, but that's
• 1:20:04
  basically my. Thing.
• 1:20:06
  Well, I was going to say you're, you're absolutely correct in
• 1:20:09
  your point and all that, But we do got to remind ourselves there
• 1:20:12
  are friends organizations out there like Jews for Jesus, the
• 1:20:18
  Orthodox Jews who do accept the New Testament in Jesus.
• 1:20:21
  But you are right, a lot of Jews I've spoken to, they don't go
• 1:20:25
  into the New Testament for whatever reason.
• 1:20:27
  They're still waiting on a Messiah for some reason.
• 1:20:30
  I don't I don't understand all that, but they're more than
• 1:20:33
  welcome to come in and explain their point LinkedIn
• 1:20:36
  relationship with God if they want to links out there in the
• 1:20:39
  comments. Go ahead, guys.
• 1:20:42
  And you know what though, what I think is is very funny and I
• 1:20:45
  didn't even learn this until the OR not Even so much learn but
• 1:20:48
  realize this was that God logic. TVI don't know if you guys are
• 1:20:52
  familiar with him, but he pretty much spends his days making
• 1:20:56
  Muslims very mad and exposing exposing Islamic culture for
• 1:21:01
  what it is and and using the Koran to do it.
• 1:21:03
  He mostly doesn't even have to use the Bible.
• 1:21:06
  He's he's very efficiently able to use the Koran to expose the
• 1:21:09
  Koran, which just goes to say a lot about it.
• 1:21:12
  But I don't understand the concept of Jewish people still
• 1:21:15
  waiting for a Messiah because a lot of the prophecies were time
• 1:21:20
  dependent that Jesus Christ already fulfilled.
• 1:21:22
  And because we have already have already surpassed that time by
• 1:21:25
  so many years, those prophecies can't even be fulfilled anymore.
• 1:21:29
  So the fact that anybody can look at Jesus Christ and say,
• 1:21:32
  hey, you know what, you're still not the Messiah.
• 1:21:34
  We're still waiting. Then obviously you don't even
• 1:21:37
  read your own book because you don't understand that those
• 1:21:39
  prophecies had to be filled when they were fulfilled.
• 1:21:41
  And if not, then there's no Messiah you.
• 1:21:43
  Know it's terrifying though, Maverick.
• 1:21:45
  What's terrifying is there will be a point where there will be
• 1:21:48
  someone. At least this is a lot of
• 1:21:51
  people's interpretation. There will be a point where
• 1:21:54
  somebody returns and they're supposed to be the dark one.
• 1:21:57
  I'm curious if whenever the Antichrist comes, will the Jews
• 1:22:01
  think that's the Messiah and totally be betrayed and denied
• 1:22:05
  on the spot? That's something I've been
• 1:22:07
  wondering. It's, it's, it's entirely
• 1:22:10
  possible. I mean, it, it, there's no way.
• 1:22:12
  There's no way that at least some Jewish people won't believe
• 1:22:15
  it. I mean, you have, you have a guy
• 1:22:17
  out there now, this guy's a complete clown who is saying
• 1:22:19
  that he's, he's the Messiah, that he's the messenger of Jesus
• 1:22:22
  and Muhammad, you know, and I, I just, I, you know, and there's
• 1:22:25
  people on social media actively pledging their loyalty to him.
• 1:22:30
  And I'm like, there's no way you guys are serious.
• 1:22:32
  Like, but yeah, dude, their people will believe anything
• 1:22:35
  because it's easier than actually, here's the thing.
• 1:22:39
  And I think this is really what it comes down to.
• 1:22:42
  Belief is not Even so much. There are some extremely
• 1:22:45
  intelligent people out there who do not believe in the Messiah.
• 1:22:48
  Bart Ehrman is one of the most intelligent historians probably
• 1:22:50
  to ever live. And still, at least I respect
• 1:22:53
  the guy because he is intellectually honest enough to
• 1:22:56
  say I don't believe that Jesus resurrected.
• 1:22:59
  But I do not have an intellectual explanation as to
• 1:23:03
  something that could have occurred otherwise.
• 1:23:05
  Boom. You know what?
• 1:23:06
  At least I can respect you as a man because now you're being
• 1:23:09
  honest about the fact that you just don't want to believe.
• 1:23:11
  That's why I, I have no problem with that.
• 1:23:13
  God gave you free will. Use it however you want.
• 1:23:16
  Whenever you're gone, that's going to be between you and Him,
• 1:23:18
  right? I have no problem with that.
• 1:23:19
  But when it comes down to it, it's not about the mind, it's
• 1:23:22
  about the heart. When Jesus told people go forth,
• 1:23:26
  when he told a woman caught in adultery go forth and sin no
• 1:23:29
  more, it is the biggest affirmation that Jesus does not
• 1:23:32
  tolerate sin. He wants you to live a lifestyle
• 1:23:35
  of repentance, and that is what this all comes down to.
• 1:23:38
  People do not want to accept the Messiah because at the end of
• 1:23:41
  the day, you would have to have a lifestyle of retentance.
• 1:23:44
  You would have to stop doing the things that you want to do.
• 1:23:46
  You would have to stop sleeping around.
• 1:23:48
  You would have to stop being a glutton.
• 1:23:49
  You would have to stop abusing drugs and all, and all the other
• 1:23:51
  things that you do. And people do not want to do
• 1:23:54
  that. There's not an atheist that I've
• 1:23:55
  not had on my show yet that I have not realized.
• 1:23:59
  Whatever their sin is. We had that talk about Matt
• 1:24:01
  Dillahunty. Why is Matt Dillahunty an
• 1:24:03
  atheist? It's not because he's so smart
• 1:24:05
  and he's so intelligent and he realized there's no God.
• 1:24:07
  Matt Dillahunty, he's an atheist because he's a homosexual and he
• 1:24:10
  would rather continue to be a homosexual than to say I cannot
• 1:24:14
  be a homosexual because I want to continue to sleep with men.
• 1:24:17
  I do not want to submit to God's authority.
• 1:24:19
  And therefore I am now an atheist because I cannot submit
• 1:24:22
  to that because what I feel for the pleasure is more desirable
• 1:24:26
  than to me than a relationship with God.
• 1:24:28
  This is all. That's all this comes down to.
• 1:24:30
  And I agree with you, I've actually heard this kind of
• 1:24:33
  scenario happen before. I just about a week ago, I was
• 1:24:37
  listening to this atheist drooling on the mic because
• 1:24:40
  apparently he was hitting the crack pipe and alcohol at the
• 1:24:42
  same time. And he's just going on and on
• 1:24:45
  and on his broadcast. And he goes, all right, I'm
• 1:24:47
  taking in a call and this guy gets on there and says, yeah, I
• 1:24:52
  I've been a Christian for a long time, but I've been having
• 1:24:54
  homosexual feelings and I think I'm going to give up the Bible
• 1:24:58
  and all that. And I said, man, this is either
• 1:25:01
  got to be staged or this is we're getting punk or this is
• 1:25:05
  for real deal. And somebody is actually saying
• 1:25:08
  that they're willing to give up everything that they've ever
• 1:25:11
  learned just because they want to be able to have nasty sex and
• 1:25:16
  all that. That's it.
• 1:25:17
  Yeah. Yeah, that's.
• 1:25:18
  Unbelievable, that is. All it comes down to whether
• 1:25:20
  they want to commit it or not. There's always something.
• 1:25:24
  Can then just It was about four or five points ago.
• 1:25:27
  But the reason why Jews don't believe that Jesus was the
• 1:25:30
  Messiah is that Jesus never fulfilled any of the Messianic
• 1:25:35
  prophecies that the Jews made when the Messiah was supposed to
• 1:25:40
  be like this, kick ass like king who rules, rules the whole land,
• 1:25:46
  kicks everyone out. So Jesus didn't do any of that.
• 1:25:49
  He was a preacher, a small town preacher.
• 1:25:52
  He got crucified. That's why the Jews don't
• 1:25:54
  believe that Jesus was. Wild heart, Do me a favor real
• 1:25:57
  quick and I'll even help you out on this.
• 1:26:00
  Go over to grok AI real quick on ex social media and type in
• 1:26:04
  where Jesus was ever prophesized to be some superhuman biological
• 1:26:09
  warrior on earth, where he takes to the sword and all this.
• 1:26:13
  As far as I'm concerned, there is no one on this planet that
• 1:26:16
  has ever kicked more ass than Jesus.
• 1:26:19
  Go ahead, guys. When?
• 1:26:22
  You read that also you have to to remember that you're going to
• 1:26:25
  get the information immediately that your search engine wants
• 1:26:29
  you to get because anybody who's actually studied this knows that
• 1:26:33
  there were two messianic portraits according to the old
• 1:26:36
  Bible, one was a suffering servant and the other was the
• 1:26:39
  conquering king. OK, so the Old Testament clearly
• 1:26:42
  presents 2 roles for the Messiah and, and the one that you're
• 1:26:46
  talking about is the one that the Jews choose to look at
• 1:26:49
  because they want to dismiss Jesus as the Messiah, right?
• 1:26:53
  But the the suffering servant Messiah roll is found in Isaiah
• 1:26:56
  53, Psalm 22 and Zechariah chapter 12 verse 10.
• 1:27:00
  OK, now the reigning king, it can be referred to in Psalm 2,
• 1:27:04
  Daniel 7 and Isaiah 9. So first he comes to save us
• 1:27:07
  from sin, then he returns to rule from power.
• 1:27:10
  So the conquering king that you're talking about is what
• 1:27:13
  prophecies haven't been fulfilled and it was going to
• 1:27:15
  happen and what is alluded to in a lot of the Book of Revelation
• 1:27:17
  and other books. But you're completely ignoring
• 1:27:20
  what the Internet want you to ignore, which is the suffering
• 1:27:23
  servant, which is exactly what Jesus was.
• 1:27:25
  And the prophecy wasn't ignored, it was actually fulfilled
• 1:27:28
  precisely because Jesus fulfilled.
• 1:27:30
  And these are verified. OK, it's not.
• 1:27:32
  We're not just saying these are verified through history, that
• 1:27:35
  Jesus fulfilled over 300 prophecies in his first coming
• 1:27:39
  alone, including being born in Bethlehem.
• 1:27:41
  Micah 52 rides into Jerusalem on a donkey.
• 1:27:44
  Zechariah 99 betrayed for 30 pieces of silver.
• 1:27:47
  Zechariah 1112 and 13 silent before his accusers, Isaiah 53
• 1:27:52
  seven pierced 10's and feet from 22 Psalm 22 six and buried in a
• 1:27:56
  rich man's tomb, which was from Isaiah 53 nine.
• 1:27:59
  So how do you explain all that? No, what I'm saying is you can't
• 1:28:03
  explain anything that way. The the the prophet has either
• 1:28:07
  come true or it's going to come true in the future.
• 1:28:10
  You can say that about anything. I can say about anything but you
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  but that. But you again.
• 1:28:14
  You pivoted away from every single prophecy I just gave you.
• 1:28:18
  If you can. If you can debunk even one of
• 1:28:20
  these, which I know you can't, which is why I'm asking you.
• 1:28:23
  It's rhetorical. I can.
• 1:28:24
  I can actually you. Can debunk.
• 1:28:31
  Wild heart, how do you think that you're going to actually be
• 1:28:33
  able to defeat this man in the Bible verse he just gave you?
• 1:28:37
  The New Testament verifies every single one of the claims that
• 1:28:40
  the Old Testament said. We all know that anybody,
• 1:28:44
  whether you've read the Bible or not, and you only seen the the
• 1:28:47
  movie Jesus of Nazareth would know that all these things came
• 1:28:51
  about. So what are you talking about?
• 1:28:53
  It didn't happen. Some of these prophecies were
• 1:28:58
  written about 5 to 1000 years earlier, for example.
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  The one. About Crucifixion alone was
• 1:29:04
  written about before crucifixion even existed.
• 1:29:07
  But go ahead, I'm dying to hear you go ahead and debunk even one
• 1:29:10
  of these. Please do.
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  Right. One of them is the Jesus riding
• 1:29:15
  into Jerusalem on the donkey and it it actually gets the prophecy
• 1:29:20
  wrong. It was a mistranslation.
• 1:29:22
  It says he they put it that he rides on the it's a Jerusalem on
• 1:29:27
  2 donkeys. But that was a mistranslation.
• 1:29:30
  It was actually one donkey. But he says to because the
• 1:29:33
  person who wrote the New Testament got the translation
• 1:29:36
  wrong. Well, it doesn't really matter
• 1:29:39
  on that wild heart. When people are riding any of
• 1:29:42
  these type of animals, sometimes they bring a another one in
• 1:29:46
  order to carry some of their belongings.
• 1:29:48
  You have to understand that and. He's and he's completely be
• 1:29:50
  wrong either way because I have the original language here.
• 1:29:53
  So Zechariah 99 says, rejoice greatly daughter Zion shout
• 1:29:57
  daughter Jerusalem, see your king comes to you righteous and
• 1:30:01
  victorious, lowly and riding on a donkey on a colt, the fall of
• 1:30:05
  a donkey. Zechariah 99 Hebrew mesoretic
• 1:30:08
  text, right. So again, that's not a
• 1:30:10
  mistranslation. It's exactly what the Hebrew
• 1:30:12
  says. So the original word alkamor
• 1:30:15
  means upon a donkey. The second word, which is veil,
• 1:30:19
  Ayid, is an upon cult. It's a Hebrew poetic
• 1:30:23
  parallelism, which is a common tool in Hebrew writing where a
• 1:30:26
  phrase is repeated in a slightly different way to emphasize one
• 1:30:30
  single idea. So no, it's not saying Jesus was
• 1:30:33
  double riding 2 animals like a circus clown, it's saying he's
• 1:30:36
  coming in humbly on a donkey. And yes, specifically a young
• 1:30:40
  cult A. Young cult being a donkey.
• 1:30:46
  Right again. OK, so I'll read it.
• 1:30:47
  I will read it again for you. So no, it is not saying Jesus
• 1:30:51
  was double writing to animals, right?
• 1:30:53
  This is Hebrew poetic parallelism, which is a common
• 1:30:56
  tool in Hebrew writing, where a phrase is repeated in a slightly
• 1:31:01
  different way to emphasize one single idea.
• 1:31:05
  Yeah, but doesn't the prophet say in the New Testament say
• 1:31:08
  that he came into Jerusalem on 2 donkeys?
• 1:31:12
  That's the problem. Where, where where Where are you
• 1:31:15
  getting that? I'll have to look it up.
• 1:31:19
  I don't know. See, here's the thing.
• 1:31:21
  And, and, and I'm sorry, GOD TV. This is why I, I have a very
• 1:31:25
  little patience for people who make those kinds of statements
• 1:31:27
  without any evidence, because you're stating it and you're
• 1:31:30
  making a baseless assertion and you're lying about the Messiah.
• 1:31:33
  And then when you're asked to prove it, you have absolutely no
• 1:31:37
  way to do so. You did Wild heart, you wild
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  heart. We've talked about this before
• 1:31:42
  in the past. You tend to make a lot of
• 1:31:45
  claims, and then when you're asked to bring it up, you don't
• 1:31:48
  have the information in front of you.
• 1:31:50
  So why do you tell people they're wrong when you know that
• 1:31:52
  you don't even have the information in front of you?
• 1:31:55
  And I'm going to tell you something.
• 1:31:57
  I'm going to give you a tool. Again, if you want to try to
• 1:32:00
  refute us, use Grok and ask it the question of what you're
• 1:32:03
  talking about and it'll get you the passages.
• 1:32:06
  But I'm telling you right now, Mr. Maverick is absolutely
• 1:32:09
  correct. The information he's giving you
• 1:32:11
  solid and he even told you what it is in the original language.
• 1:32:15
  He lay up the smack down on that rooty Pooh.
• 1:32:18
  And not only that, but even I can use other scripture to, to
• 1:32:21
  verify what I just said. Matthew 21 verse 7 says they,
• 1:32:28
  Matthew 21, seven says, and it's addressing the, the lies that
• 1:32:32
  you just told. That's why I'm bringing it up.
• 1:32:33
  It says they brought the donkey and the cult and he sat on them.
• 1:32:38
  Now here's where the surface level reader panics and says,
• 1:32:41
  ah, 2 animals. That's a mistranslation.
• 1:32:43
  Absolutely. The Greek word EP Alton refers
• 1:32:46
  to the garments placed on the animals, not Jesus writing both,
• 1:32:50
  my friends. So again, not only we have the
• 1:32:53
  original. This is why I'm so glad that the
• 1:32:56
  original manuscripts and the original language and the
• 1:32:58
  translations are placed online. Because again, you're looking at
• 1:33:01
  this on surface level and saying, see, that's a
• 1:33:03
  mistranslation. Absolutely not it.
• 1:33:05
  Makes it wild wild. Listen when someone is
• 1:33:09
  responding to you and answering your question.
• 1:33:12
  As I've always told you, it is good to mute your mic, give him
• 1:33:17
  the opportunity to respond, and if you feel like he's wrong
• 1:33:20
  afterwards, you unmute and then attempt to unpackage him, but
• 1:33:25
  not during his actual dialogue. OK, So what I'm going to do is
• 1:33:33
  I'm going to go ahead and copy this word for anybody else who's
• 1:33:36
  curious. This is the original Greek word,
• 1:33:38
  and that's the original language, and it is showing you
• 1:33:40
  guys even how to pronounce it. EP Altun.
• 1:33:43
  OK EP Altun is the original Greek word which refers to the
• 1:33:47
  garments placed on the animals which got to be alluded to
• 1:33:50
  earlier. Which means that Jesus was not
• 1:33:52
  writing both. One of the animals was caring
• 1:33:55
  the belongings and the garments or whatever.
• 1:33:57
  Grammatically and contextually though, Jesus rides the cult
• 1:34:01
  while the while the mother donkey likely came alongside to
• 1:34:05
  calm it as young animal as young animals often need.
• 1:34:08
  So Matthew includes both animals to show the prophecy was fully
• 1:34:12
  prepared for, but Jesus sits on the cult.
• 1:34:15
  So again, there's no contradiction, there's no
• 1:34:17
  mistranslation, just very careful eyewitness detail.
• 1:34:21
  All right, Wild Hardy is finished.
• 1:34:23
  Would you like to say something about it?
• 1:34:26
  Yeah, it says Matthew 21. Seven in Matthew Jesus
• 1:34:31
  disciples. He had two animals for him, a
• 1:34:34
  donkey and a colt. One second.
• 1:34:38
  Wild Hardy already told you that there were two animals, one
• 1:34:42
  carrying the luggage and one carrying Jesus.
• 1:34:45
  Come on, wild Heart, if. You.
• 1:34:47
  If you'll let me finish, you'll understand.
• 1:34:50
  They spread their garments over the two of them, and Jesus rode
• 1:34:53
  into town, straddling them both. Jesus rode into town, straddling
• 1:34:58
  them both. Where?
• 1:35:01
  Where What are you reading from? Matthew 21, seven.
• 1:35:05
  OK, from where? What?
• 1:35:06
  What site? What?
• 1:35:07
  What is your source? Where are you?
• 1:35:09
  What website? What are you?
• 1:35:10
  Doing essentialchurch.net. I'm sorry, essentialchurch.net.
• 1:35:18
  Right, you guys I don't know where he's reading from, but it
• 1:35:21
  is it's virtually now I'm. Going to, I'm going to bring up
• 1:35:25
  the information. I'm going to tear that apart
• 1:35:26
  right now because automatically the red flag is that it's a
• 1:35:29
  Jewish site, which is going to try to make it seem like Jesus
• 1:35:32
  was not the Messiah. So that right there in and of
• 1:35:34
  itself. But that's fine.
• 1:35:35
  I'm not. I'm not going to.
• 1:35:37
  Biblegateway.com is a much better source because it has all
• 1:35:40
  the. Translations so here.
• 1:35:42
  So here let me answer you then let's look at the verse that
• 1:35:44
  you're butchering, which is Matthew 21 seven and I'm going
• 1:35:47
  to read from the English Center version.
• 1:35:48
  They brought the donkey and the colt and put them on put on them
• 1:35:52
  their cloaks and he sat on them. Atheists think that he sat on
• 1:35:57
  them, right? Can can I finish?
• 1:36:00
  Wild heart, I'm going to mute you if you keep doing that to
• 1:36:02
  the man. Let him respond to your claims.
• 1:36:06
  But. The atheist thinks that that
• 1:36:08
  means he sat on them. Now, again, I have already
• 1:36:10
  referred you to what the original Greek word meant, and I
• 1:36:13
  put it in the chat for you. But since you continue down this
• 1:36:15
  road, it says that you guys think that he physically rode
• 1:36:20
  both donkeys at once, which is laughably, laughably wrong.
• 1:36:23
  Broke both grammatically and contextually, right?
• 1:36:26
  So grammatically them refers to the cloaks, not the donkeys.
• 1:36:31
  Matthew tells us that they put their cloaks on the donkey and
• 1:36:36
  her cult plural items he sat on them refers to the garments, not
• 1:36:41
  the animals. This is clear in the Greek,
• 1:36:43
  which is the word that I put in at Altoon and I even put the
• 1:36:46
  original Greek spelling in there, the original Greek, Koine
• 1:36:49
  Greek, which means on them. It refers to the garments used
• 1:36:54
  as the saddle substitute, not to animals at once.
• 1:36:57
  Now the point behind that is that Jesus wrote the cult just
• 1:37:01
  like prophet. He said both animals were
• 1:37:03
  brought but he he wrote only the cult riding on a donkey on a
• 1:37:07
  cult the full of a donkey Zechariah 9/9.
• 1:37:11
  This is not 2 animals being ridden, it is one being
• 1:37:14
  described in poetic parallel. Matthew includes both animals to
• 1:37:18
  show the exact fulfillment of the prophecy.
• 1:37:21
  But there is no mention of Jesus attempting a double Decker
• 1:37:24
  donkey ride As for some reason it seems like that's what you
• 1:37:27
  guys are insinuating. Because why would Jesus even try
• 1:37:29
  to do something so silly to ride 2 animals at the same time when
• 1:37:33
  we have the original Greek word that is showing you that you're
• 1:37:35
  completely wrong and you're misreading it and
• 1:37:38
  misunderstanding it. And instead of researching what
• 1:37:40
  it actually says in the original language, you guys just assume
• 1:37:43
  that it means that he was writing two animals, which is
• 1:37:45
  completely wrong because straddling 2 animals at once is
• 1:37:49
  actually absurd. And we know that Jesus was not
• 1:37:51
  known for participating in absurd behavior.
• 1:37:54
  So let's look at the real world logic behind it.
• 1:37:56
  On top of that, let's just eat if we were just talking like men
• 1:37:58
  and we didn't know anything about Scripture, right?
• 1:38:00
  Both of those animals are different heights, there are
• 1:38:03
  different gates, they have different temperaments, and on
• 1:38:06
  top of that, no saddle for either one of them.
• 1:38:08
  So I, I don't even understand why people would think that
• 1:38:12
  Jesus entering as the Prince of Peace fulfilling Scripture with
• 1:38:15
  humility, would be someone who's trying to write to animals at
• 1:38:19
  once. He would.
• 1:38:19
  First of all, that's the most ridiculous thing that I've ever
• 1:38:21
  heard in my life. Not to mention the fact that
• 1:38:23
  you're reading it from a site where obviously it's going to
• 1:38:25
  try to condemn Jesus as not the Messiah.
• 1:38:28
  But then all you have to do is look at the original word, the
• 1:38:31
  original way that it was written in the original Greek.
• 1:38:33
  Which again, I have provided to you guys and I pasted it in the
• 1:38:36
  chat right there. And it says clearly that what
• 1:38:38
  the original Greek word said is not even remotely close to what
• 1:38:41
  you're saying. It's not just that, Mister
• 1:38:44
  Maverick, but I, although I was born and raised through my
• 1:38:47
  teenage life in Saint Louis, I did eventually move out to the
• 1:38:51
  countryside and we got horses, cows, we've got donkeys, we've
• 1:38:55
  got it all. Donkeys are actually pretty
• 1:38:57
  intelligent, although they're stubborn.
• 1:38:59
  And even if they were the same height and they were somehow
• 1:39:02
  miniature ones, you still couldn't straddle 2 of them at
• 1:39:05
  the same time. I'm sorry, it just doesn't work.
• 1:39:08
  No you can't. You could try, but they'll break
• 1:39:10
  your hips and then stomp on you and go Hee Haw right in your
• 1:39:13
  face. Yeah, you're trying to ride it
• 1:39:16
  would you Might as well try to ride.
• 1:39:18
  You might as well try to ride a horse and a zebra at the same
• 1:39:21
  time that first of all, you're going to end up dead in the
• 1:39:24
  first 3 seconds. That doesn't.
• 1:39:25
  Yeah, it's just, it's. And you know what The thing is,
• 1:39:27
  too? It goes back to what I alluded
• 1:39:29
  to 10 minutes ago. Intellectual dishonesty.
• 1:39:32
  If you truly wanted to know if that was a prophecy, if you
• 1:39:35
  truly wanted to know if there was a contradiction, all you had
• 1:39:38
  to do was go back to the original translation.
• 1:39:40
  So the original words, which took me less than 13 seconds to
• 1:39:43
  give you guys the word and know what it actually was talking
• 1:39:46
  about. But this is the world that we
• 1:39:48
  live in. People who want to look at that
• 1:39:49
  and they want it to be a contradiction, not because it
• 1:39:52
  is, not because they don't have the ability to check, but
• 1:39:55
  because they want it to be a contradiction.
• 1:39:58
  I yield back to you guys. Brett, can you share my screen
• 1:40:01
  just to not to prove that I'm right, but just to prove where
• 1:40:04
  I'm getting it from? I don't doubt that you're
• 1:40:12
  actually looking on some site and I can see it on the screen.
• 1:40:15
  The problem is if you look at the outside stream, I've got
• 1:40:18
  everybody's comments going across on an overlay.
• 1:40:22
  So if I put it up, especially with it being white and black
• 1:40:26
  ink, it's going to look absolutely horrific.
• 1:40:29
  But I see it. I see that in your thing it says
• 1:40:32
  Matthew 221 seven. But he's right.
• 1:40:35
  There are a lot of websites out there and there's a lot of
• 1:40:38
  different groups that have agendas where they will put
• 1:40:41
  ridiculous stuff. That's why you should listen to
• 1:40:43
  TTOR and use Bible Crosswalk or one of these websites that allow
• 1:40:48
  many different translations of the Bible.
• 1:40:52
  He does what he's looking at because I can't see it.
• 1:40:55
  I'm just out of curiosity what they what he's looking at?
• 1:40:58
  Does it even have even the most remote reference to the original
• 1:41:02
  word that was used or the original Greek?
• 1:41:05
  OK. Yeah, see.
• 1:41:06
  OK, so check it out. So what he's showing what,
• 1:41:09
  whose, whose screen is this that we're looking at?
• 1:41:11
  You're looking at, you're looking at wild hearts.
• 1:41:14
  So in Matthew, Jesus disciples procure 2 animals for him, a
• 1:41:17
  donkey and a colt. They spread their garment over
• 1:41:19
  the two of them and Jesus rode into the town straddling them
• 1:41:22
  both. Matthew.
• 1:41:24
  But but Matthew made Jesus fulfill the prophecy of
• 1:41:27
  scripture quite literally. So right here.
• 1:41:29
  This is already insinuating right here heart.
• 1:41:33
  You brought this up right, and nowhere in does this thing even
• 1:41:37
  remotely make the attempt to talk about what the original
• 1:41:40
  words in Greek said, because I've already explained it to you
• 1:41:44
  in depth. So this right here is what we
• 1:41:46
  call intellectual deficiency, because this is only trying to
• 1:41:50
  disparage Matthew and Jesus trying to make it seem like this
• 1:41:54
  wasn't a prophecy going to be fulfilled, but Matthew forced
• 1:41:57
  it. Complete nonsense.
• 1:41:59
  And Jesus rode into time struggling them both.
• 1:42:03
  That's not what the text. Says though dude I read Matthew
• 1:42:07
  21 seven on biblegateway.com it does not say that Jesus
• 1:42:11
  straddled both of them. It literally just says that the
• 1:42:14
  cloaks were placed on both the full and the mother it.
• 1:42:18
  Doesn't say that you just straddle them both unless.
• 1:42:20
  If you read, if you read Mark 11 and Luke 19, the parallel
• 1:42:25
  passages of the same event, those passages specifically say
• 1:42:29
  that he rode on the offspring, the Colts.
• 1:42:31
  He did not ride the mother all. Right, folks, let me let me
• 1:42:34
  point something out to because I know some of my Christian
• 1:42:36
  brothers and sisters out there. You never been on a farm before.
• 1:42:40
  I get it. But even if you were to take
• 1:42:43
  identical twins or horses or or mules or donkeys and set them
• 1:42:48
  together, it's not going to happen.
• 1:42:50
  I'm sorry. You can do a head lay sideways,
• 1:42:53
  but eventually, within seconds you are going to find yourself
• 1:42:56
  planted in the dirt. It's not that.
• 1:42:59
  It's obvious that Matthew wasn't trying to describe it that way.
• 1:43:02
  Wild heart. Try something different please
• 1:43:05
  because this is failing hard. Right.
• 1:43:11
  So you tried for one prophecy. Definitely didn't work.
• 1:43:13
  Go ahead, do the next one because you said you could do
• 1:43:15
  all of them. You didn't even do 1.
• 1:43:16
  So let's do it. Let's try the second one.
• 1:43:18
  The second one that I provided was let me go back.
• 1:43:21
  I will. I will.
• 1:43:22
  I will just pick one randomly right.
• 1:43:26
  Let's do born in Bethlehem, Mika 5 two.
• 1:43:28
  You said he didn't. He's he's failed all of them.
• 1:43:30
  OK, great. Please show me shock the world
• 1:43:34
  and and show us it all in here that we're worshipping the wrong
• 1:43:38
  God and Jesus Christ was not born in Bethlehem.
• 1:43:40
  Please, I'm dying to hear this. I didn't say that I could
• 1:43:43
  demonstrate they were all false. You said if you can demonstrate
• 1:43:47
  even one of them is false, which is what I said.
• 1:43:50
  You said he failed all Messianic prophecy, gentlemen.
• 1:43:53
  Is that not what he said? Yeah, you said, you said, you
• 1:43:58
  said if we rewind back right now, you said that they are all
• 1:44:02
  false and that's why the Jews hold to their position.
• 1:44:05
  And I hope so. Please, wild heart, tell me that
• 1:44:08
  the only thing you don't have is just the donkey business.
• 1:44:12
  Come on man, do something a little bit more exciting for us.
• 1:44:16
  What's the next one? Your it's your story, sorry.
• 1:44:22
  I know about another 1, he said. Jesus will be a king.
• 1:44:26
  He was never a king. OK, so we've so I've already
• 1:44:29
  gone over that with you. You're now you're just beating a
• 1:44:31
  dead horse because I told you about the two roles of prophecy.
• 1:44:35
  We've already talked about that, the suffering servant and the
• 1:44:37
  conquering king. The conquering king is for when
• 1:44:39
  Jesus returns for judgment. So that's already been happened.
• 1:44:42
  Yet, so can you claim the industry when it hasn't happened
• 1:44:45
  yet? Well, again, you're trying to
• 1:44:47
  appeal. The appeal that you're making is
• 1:44:50
  1 of desperation because you're complete.
• 1:44:53
  Now what you're doing is you're trying to sidestep everything
• 1:44:56
  that Jesus has done because, and I'm not trying to be unkind, but
• 1:45:00
  your original arguments are getting kicked around.
• 1:45:01
  So you're trying to shift to well you see it said it was
• 1:45:03
  going to be this. But again, and I will read to,
• 1:45:06
  there were two messianic portraits, the suffering servant
• 1:45:10
  and the conquering king. And the Old Testament clearly
• 1:45:12
  presents 2 roles for the Messiah.
• 1:45:14
  The Suffering Servant was referred to in Isaiah 53, Psalm
• 1:45:18
  22, and Zechariah 12/10. The reigning king from Psalm 2,
• 1:45:22
  Daniel 7, and Isaiah 9. First he comes to save us from
• 1:45:26
  sin, which he already did. Then he returns to rule with
• 1:45:30
  power and you can refer to the Book of Revelations and the
• 1:45:33
  other books that refer to that. So, wild heart, I'm going to
• 1:45:37
  have to tell you one more time you did it again.
• 1:45:41
  This is the fifth time in the conversation where you just kept
• 1:45:44
  going every time he was talking. Mute your mic, wait until he's
• 1:45:49
  done and do it. If you do this again, I'm going
• 1:45:52
  to put you backstage for a couple minutes so you can relax,
• 1:45:55
  get you a cup of tea and think about what you did.
• 1:45:58
  Don't do that anymore. We're trying to have a
• 1:46:00
  conversation. You have to allow each other a
• 1:46:03
  turn. OK?
• 1:46:05
  Do you agree? Do you agree, Wildheart?
• 1:46:08
  Do you agree with that? It's fine because the fact of
• 1:46:11
  the matter is I know what he's trying to do.
• 1:46:12
  He's doing exactly what so many Jewish people have done, right?
• 1:46:16
  The Jewish people looked at Jesus Christ and they expected
• 1:46:19
  the crown, but completely looked over and skipped the cross,
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  right? Which to me is fine if that's
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  what you want to do. Jesus said do not work.
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  Do not even worry about how many people went to the Kingdom of my
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  Father, for the road to destruction is broad and many
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  are on it. We should not expect most people
• 1:46:35
  to accept this message, but at the end of the day we are able
• 1:46:38
  to defend this message. And you cannot sit there and say
• 1:46:41
  that Jesus failed our messianic prophecy, but you can't even
• 1:46:44
  address the ones that he actually fulfilled.
• 1:46:46
  Which is to say nothing of the fact that Jesus does meet both
• 1:46:50
  messianic portraits. The only difference is that He
• 1:46:53
  fulfilled the Suffering Servant while he was here and will
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  fulfill the conqueration when he returns.
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  Now, I understand that you don't like that explanation, but what
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  you like is completely beyond the scope of what we're talking
• 1:47:04
  about here. Because I have told you and
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  challenged you to do any of these.
• 1:47:08
  Now, we've used the original language to destroy your one
• 1:47:10
  argument. You completely decided you
• 1:47:12
  didn't even want to address him being born in Bethlehem.
• 1:47:14
  Do you want another one? Because Psalm 2216 says that
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  they will Pierce his hands and feet.
• 1:47:19
  And I want to remind you before you even remotely start to
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  answer, that this prophecy was made centuries before
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  crucifixion even existed. And yet it says that the Messiah
• 1:47:28
  will have his hands and feet pierced.
• 1:47:30
  Please address it. You know, my point was, yeah,
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  saying he will fulfil these prophecies in the future.
• 1:47:38
  So you can't claim I get what you're saying.
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  Some of them he has fulfilled according to you, and some of
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  them he will fulfil, but you can't say he will fulfil them in
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  the future. I I can't say if these are
• 1:47:51
  already fulfilled. The women that he fulfilled
• 1:47:53
  before the the the the odds of Jesus Christ fulfilling only
• 1:47:57
  eight of the prophecies that he did is so astronomically high,
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  the number doesn't even have a name, to say nothing of the fact
• 1:48:04
  that he fulfilled over 300 of them.
• 1:48:06
  You again, you're conveniently ignoring the fact that he
• 1:48:10
  fulfilled so many prophecies that your mind cannot even
• 1:48:12
  comprehend the statistical and probability of it.
• 1:48:15
  But you continue to try to move forward, to just try to say no,
• 1:48:18
  He's not doing that 'cause he didn't do it yet.
• 1:48:20
  It doesn't matter. And Jesus said it is not, it is
• 1:48:23
  not for you to know the hour of my return.
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  He said it to his disciples. He's saying it to us now.
• 1:48:28
  You don't have to. But the fact of the matter is, I
• 1:48:30
  think it's very telling that you continue to cower away from what
• 1:48:34
  I continue to ask you. But.
• 1:48:37
  What I have? AI have a proposition I'd like
• 1:48:40
  to propose to Brett that might be fruitful.
• 1:48:43
  Yes. So basically we've referred to
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  the Suffering Servant. Our brother Maverick has
• 1:48:49
  referred to the Suffering Servant passage a few times.
• 1:48:52
  What I would like to do is read the passage in its entirety to
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  Lionheart and then give him the chance to answer if there's
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  anyone other than Jesus that fits the description.
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  I love all right, so. Wild heart I'm gonna need you to
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  keep. I'm a mute.
• 1:49:06
  My mic, I'm a mute. My mic, I'm a listen to this
• 1:49:09
  boy. Hold on.
• 1:49:10
  Go ahead, Go ahead, dog all. Right folks, mute your mic so
• 1:49:12
  TTOR can read this. I don't want to hear any
• 1:49:14
  disturbance references during his reading of this.
• 1:49:17
  Go ahead. So it goes from Isaiah 52
• 1:49:22
  chapter or chapter 52, verse 13 through all of Isaiah 53.
• 1:49:27
  Here it is. See, My servant will act wisely.
• 1:49:31
  He will be raised and lifted up and highly exalted, just as
• 1:49:35
  there were many who were appalled at him.
• 1:49:38
  His appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any human being,
• 1:49:42
  and His form marred beyond human likeness, so he will sprinkle.
• 1:49:46
  Many nations and kings will shut their mouths because of him.
• 1:49:49
  For what they were not told they will see, and what they have not
• 1:49:52
  heard they will understand. Who has believed our message,
• 1:49:56
  and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
• 1:49:59
  He grew up before Him like a tender shoot, and like a root
• 1:50:03
  out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to
• 1:50:06
  attract us to Him, nothing in His appearance that we should
• 1:50:09
  desire Him. He was despised and rejected by
• 1:50:13
  mankind. A man of suffering and familiar
• 1:50:16
  with pain, like one from whom people hide their faces, He was
• 1:50:20
  despised and we held him in low esteem.
• 1:50:24
  Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering.
• 1:50:26
  Yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and
• 1:50:31
  afflicted. But he was pierced for our
• 1:50:33
  transgressions. He was crushed for our
• 1:50:35
  iniquities. The punishment that brought us
• 1:50:37
  peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed.
• 1:50:41
  We all, like sheep, have gone astray.
• 1:50:44
  Each of us has turned to our own way, and the Lord has laid on
• 1:50:47
  him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed and afflicted,
• 1:50:51
  yet he did not open his mouth. He was led like a lamb to the
• 1:50:55
  slaughter, and as a sheep before its shears is silent, so he did
• 1:51:00
  not open his mouth. By oppression and judgment he
• 1:51:03
  was taken away, Yet who of his generation protested, for he was
• 1:51:07
  cut off from the land of the living.
• 1:51:09
  For the transgression of my people he was punished.
• 1:51:12
  He was assigned a grave of the wicked and with the rich in his
• 1:51:15
  death. Though he had done no violence,
• 1:51:18
  nor was any deceit in his mouth, yet it was the Lord's will to
• 1:51:22
  crush him and cause him to suffer.
• 1:51:24
  And though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin, he
• 1:51:28
  will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will
• 1:51:31
  of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
• 1:51:33
  After he has suffered, he will see the light of life and be
• 1:51:36
  satisfied by his knowledge. My righteous servant will
• 1:51:40
  justify many, and he will bear their iniquities.
• 1:51:43
  Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he
• 1:51:46
  will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out
• 1:51:50
  his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors,
• 1:51:54
  for he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the
• 1:51:57
  transgressors. So my question to Lionheart or
• 1:52:01
  wild lion or whatever is I'm sorry, who other than Jesus
• 1:52:07
  would fit this description of the suffering servant?
• 1:52:11
  Yeah, I'm just do a several book when he says that Jesus has done
• 1:52:16
  no violence. What about when he went into the
• 1:52:19
  temple and overturned the is that not violence?
• 1:52:23
  So even Jesus doesn't fulfill that officer.
• 1:52:27
  He fulfills so many of these. In fact a lot of these are
• 1:52:30
  recorded in the Gospels. Like, for example, when it says
• 1:52:34
  that he was oppressed and afflicted, yet did not open his
• 1:52:37
  mouth and he was silent before his oppressors, like a lamb to
• 1:52:41
  the slaughter and a sheep before its shearers.
• 1:52:43
  It's recorded in his trial before the Sanhedrin, right
• 1:52:46
  before his execution, that they hurled all kinds of accusations
• 1:52:50
  at him and yet he was silent and he said nothing.
• 1:52:55
  And also, I'm so sorry, what, what was it he said?
• 1:52:57
  I, I'm very sorry. I just for clarity, what did he
• 1:53:00
  say? Jesus did not fulfill because I
• 1:53:01
  didn't hear that part. When he said that he has done no
• 1:53:04
  violence, What about when Jesus went into the temple and
• 1:53:08
  overturned? You're Gish gallop.
• 1:53:10
  You're Gish galloping dude. You're not addressing the text.
• 1:53:14
  That's. Part.
• 1:53:14
  That's part of the prophecy. If he didn't fulfill that bit,
• 1:53:18
  which he didn't, then the prophecy clearly does not apply
• 1:53:20
  to Jesus. Keep on brother.
• 1:53:22
  I got, I got, I got a good rebuttal for that.
• 1:53:24
  You keep on saying what you got to say and I'll address his
• 1:53:26
  returning the tables thing after you're done.
• 1:53:28
  There's no. Mention of the temple at the
• 1:53:30
  beginning. I don't know what you're talking
• 1:53:31
  about. Well.
• 1:53:32
  He said. He said Jesus has no violence.
• 1:53:35
  OK, so here's the thing when you're saying violence, first of
• 1:53:38
  all, Jesus didn't strike anyone. Jesus didn't admonish anyone.
• 1:53:42
  Jesus wasn't violent because he flipped tables.
• 1:53:44
  This is a modern day. Here's the thing, you're you're
• 1:53:48
  thinking about flipping tables and to you it's looking like
• 1:53:51
  violence because we live in this world where anything that anyone
• 1:53:54
  does that even makes you remotely uncomfortable is
• 1:53:57
  considered violence. That is not violence, OK?
• 1:53:59
  That was not violence. That was Jesus and his righteous
• 1:54:02
  judgment and it fulfilled the prophecy and didn't break it.
• 1:54:05
  So the the prophecy that you're referring to is probably the one
• 1:54:09
  from Isaiah 42 to when you said he will not cry aloud or lift up
• 1:54:12
  his voice or make it heard in the street.
• 1:54:14
  Or you could be talking about Isaiah 53, seven where he says
• 1:54:17
  he was oppressed and afflicted and yet he opened his mouth.
• 1:54:20
  He not opened his mouth. So these verses describe the
• 1:54:24
  Messiah's humility and they actually they describe his
• 1:54:27
  restraint and his suffering. OK, which is not a command to be
• 1:54:31
  passive in every situation. The Messiah was to be gentle
• 1:54:35
  with the broken Isaiah 42 three He was silent in his own
• 1:54:38
  defense. Isaiah 53 seven and yet zealous
• 1:54:41
  for God's holiness and Malachi 3 one through 3 and Psalm 69 nine
• 1:54:46
  he fulfilled all of it. Flipping tables is not violence.
• 1:54:49
  It's a prophetic act of cleansing.
• 1:54:51
  And I'm, and, and obviously you don't think you need to be
• 1:54:55
  explained what true violence is because Jesus didn't walk into
• 1:54:58
  the temple and start throwing punches.
• 1:55:01
  He drove out merchants and flipped over the objects of
• 1:55:03
  corruption and rebuked spiritual abuse.
• 1:55:06
  Because you're thinking about what he did, but you're not even
• 1:55:09
  remotely in the know of what was on those tables and what these
• 1:55:13
  people were selling, right? These, these objects that were
• 1:55:16
  of, of, of idol worship and all the inside of God's house,
• 1:55:19
  right? But then he said my house shall
• 1:55:21
  be called the House of prayer. But you have made it a den of
• 1:55:25
  thieves. Matthew 2113.
• 1:55:27
  So the act was prophetic and it was not chaotic and it actually
• 1:55:31
  fulfilled some 69 nine. So when you're saying that that
• 1:55:35
  was that was an act of violence, what you're doing is you're
• 1:55:37
  taking modern basically, and and I'm sorry, again, not trying to
• 1:55:41
  be insulting, but what you're doing is you're taking modern
• 1:55:43
  idealism and, and the fact that everybody's just so damn soft
• 1:55:46
  nowadays because if you flip a table, you're like, Oh my God,
• 1:55:49
  see, Jesus was violent, but you have no idea.
• 1:55:52
  There's there's nothing in that verse that even remotely states
• 1:55:54
  that Jesus violently flipped that table.
• 1:55:56
  He flipped it over basically stating you need to close this
• 1:55:59
  down because this is not what my father's house is for.
• 1:56:03
  Not to mention that if you actually read the socio
• 1:56:05
  historical context of what it was that Jesus saw when he
• 1:56:08
  walked into the temple, they were not selling in anything
• 1:56:11
  that was even remotely related to Yahweh.
• 1:56:13
  They were selling Pagan idols, Pagan little statues, and things
• 1:56:16
  from numerology. Things that had absolutely
• 1:56:19
  nothing to do with what Yahweh and they.
• 1:56:20
  Were cheating them out of their money too.
• 1:56:22
  Yes and yes. And they were and they were
• 1:56:25
  feeding inside of the church. So if I go up to, let's say I
• 1:56:28
  see my son outside and he's got a table outside and he's selling
• 1:56:31
  a bunch of and, and he's selling cigarettes or whatever, and the
• 1:56:34
  boy's five years old and I grabbed a table and I fold it up
• 1:56:37
  and I flip it over and I say, you're done.
• 1:56:39
  That's not violent. That's me telling him you're
• 1:56:41
  done. Sorry.
• 1:56:42
  It is violent, flipping the table over because you disagree
• 1:56:46
  with the person in Jesus and the server.
• 1:56:49
  But the point, the point that you made, wild heart, was that
• 1:56:52
  you said Jesus was violent, so therefore it broke prophecy.
• 1:56:56
  But as Mr. Brotherly Maverick had so eloquently put forth, he
• 1:57:01
  kicked over a table. He might have even snapped a
• 1:57:04
  whip. But that's a lot different than
• 1:57:06
  the WWE Mattri Tombstone Powell, dress someone into the earth.
• 1:57:10
  Come on, Sir. Nor.
• 1:57:11
  Did nor did he physically assault or batter anyone and it
• 1:57:15
  made it clear that he flipped the table because you continue
• 1:57:18
  to forget that when you speak about our Messiah, you're
• 1:57:21
  speaking about God. So when he does something, you
• 1:57:25
  got to remember that it's not like me doing it to you where
• 1:57:28
  you can look at it as violence, which you probably would because
• 1:57:30
  you sound like the type of individual who would.
• 1:57:33
  But if I flipped the table, I can understand you thinking that
• 1:57:35
  it's violent, but if Jesus Christ does it understand that
• 1:57:39
  just like we don't get to judge God's judgment of the the
• 1:57:43
  Malachites or the Canaanites to the Egyptians, we don't get to
• 1:57:46
  judge Jesus Christ judgment and assessment of a certain
• 1:57:49
  situation. So if he flips the table over
• 1:57:51
  because he's doing that in righteous judgment, there's
• 1:57:53
  literally nothing violent about it.
• 1:57:54
  Because if there was true violence, believe me when I tell
• 1:57:57
  you that that would have been recorded in history.
• 1:57:59
  Now you're saying that it's violent because you choose to,
• 1:58:02
  which is exactly why when I explained exactly to you how it
• 1:58:05
  rolled out in Scripture and how it fulfilled prophecy, despite
• 1:58:08
  what you were saying, your answer, just like my atheist
• 1:58:11
  guest the other night, was exactly what I would come to
• 1:58:13
  expect from an atheist. Yes, it was that.
• 1:58:16
  That's all you have to say, yes. So you, you have no way to
• 1:58:18
  follow up and actually show historically or archaeologically
• 1:58:23
  and in any way whatsoever that it actually is violent.
• 1:58:26
  You just have your assertion that you find it to be an
• 1:58:29
  offensive gesture and therefore it was violent.
• 1:58:33
  But that's not even remotely true.
• 1:58:36
  Guys, guys, at 7:00 PM tomorrow I'm going to do another live
• 1:58:41
  show. I hope that you all are able to
• 1:58:42
  make it. If you're busy, I understand.
• 1:58:45
  Can you do me a favor because I'm going to be shutting down a
• 1:58:47
  little while. I've been going on for a couple
• 1:58:49
  hours. Can you guys plug your YouTube
• 1:58:51
  channels? Tell people also a summary of
• 1:58:54
  what your channel's about, what to expect and why they should
• 1:58:57
  subscribe to it please. Yeah, I, I mean, I don't think
• 1:59:01
  we can put links in your in your chat.
• 1:59:04
  I'll try right now. I don't think we can.
• 1:59:06
  I appreciate you guys. I appreciate you doing it, but I
• 1:59:09
  don't know that we I think the only ones who can put links are
• 1:59:12
  moderators and the owner of the channel.
• 1:59:15
  So let's I'll test it out right now.
• 1:59:17
  If I if I paste it and you don't see anything then it then it
• 1:59:22
  would it would be what I. If you guys don't see his link,
• 1:59:25
  just check the bottom of my YouTube channel.
• 1:59:28
  I have quite a few of his videos favored it, especially the one I
• 1:59:32
  did a show with him recently. You'll be able to find brother
• 1:59:35
  Maverick that way if the link doesn't appear over there.
• 1:59:38
  If I didn't have so much stuff running at the same time,
• 1:59:41
  Maverick I'd get over there and set it for you.
• 1:59:44
  But I'll make you guys moderators later on through the
• 1:59:47
  comments. Sure.
• 1:59:48
  No. Problem man.
• 1:59:49
  Well, yeah. I, I I, I, I, I I understand
• 1:59:53
  where you're coming from, but I keep forgetting your name.
• 1:59:56
  I'm so sorry. Dragon wild hurt, but can I?
• 2:00:01
  I don't know where I got dragon. From I was just.
• 2:00:04
  No one should subscribe to my channel and thank you Beth for
• 2:00:07
  letting me on but I have to go to bed.
• 2:00:09
  The Wild heart, make sure you subscribe to brother Maverick
• 2:00:12
  because he does a show as well and he's a really decent guy.
• 2:00:15
  He'd be willing to be patient with you, but try to be a little
• 2:00:19
  bit more open, wild when you get done doing these shows with us
• 2:00:22
  and all that. I know you want to argue and
• 2:00:25
  participate in a conversation, but at least for friendship's
• 2:00:30
  sake, can you at least look this information up that people have
• 2:00:33
  given you and don't just go to sleep on it and forget it and
• 2:00:36
  just do it all over again in these rooms.
• 2:00:38
  Come on. Oh yeah, that's.
• 2:00:42
  Right, I'll be live. And I'll be live tomorrow.
• 2:00:43
  If, if, if you want to come through wild heart, I'll be live
• 2:00:45
  tomorrow, God willing. 3:00 PM Central Standard Time.
• 2:00:47
  I don't know what that translates to for you, but
• 2:00:49
  everybody's welcome. You know, so long as everyone's
• 2:00:51
  respectful, I don't care. I'm being a Christian channel
• 2:00:55
  doesn't mean that you have to be Christian to be on my show.
• 2:00:57
  I, I want my, my job is to spread seeds as the Messiah
• 2:01:00
  commanded everyone. What you do with it is
• 2:01:02
  completely up to you. Thanks.
• 2:01:06
  Have a good one, brother. Good night.
• 2:01:07
  See. You later there, wild heart.
• 2:01:09
  You know what before and I got to I got to get off here to
• 2:01:12
  Keith because I'm actually at work, quote UN quote, and I
• 2:01:16
  don't I don't want to be staying still too long.
• 2:01:18
  But you know what, at the end of the day, I find it very telling
• 2:01:22
  that the last two atheists or I don't know if he considers
• 2:01:25
  himself an atheist. It sounded like he was, but it,
• 2:01:29
  I find it very telling that when you confront these people with
• 2:01:32
  hardcore apologetics, history, archaeology and, and, and
• 2:01:36
  basically hermeneutics, they, they, they're almost master's at
• 2:01:41
  pivoting. I mean, the kid from the other
• 2:01:43
  night, the kid from the other night just talked a lot.
• 2:01:45
  He talked real fast. He kind of just strung words
• 2:01:47
  together, tried to sound intelligent.
• 2:01:50
  At least, you know, Wildheart was, was, was more eloquent.
• 2:01:53
  Yeah. He, you know, was humming and
• 2:01:55
  humming, but he was way more tolerable than that kid from the
• 2:01:58
  other night on my show for sure. Well, you're going to probably
• 2:02:01
  end up meeting some of the more chilled, more nicer ones because
• 2:02:05
  I, I lay this thing down like a boot camp and all that I, I
• 2:02:09
  don't want people coming and screaming, yelling and
• 2:02:11
  interrupting each other. So you'll meet some decent folks
• 2:02:15
  and hopefully you'll make some new Christian friends as well by
• 2:02:18
  participating I. Hope, I hope to see you other
• 2:02:20
  gentleman here too. Again, I'll be live on the
• 2:02:23
  weekend. I go live and I'm off this
• 2:02:24
  weekend thank God, so I don't have as much as time constraint.
• 2:02:27
  I go live every weekend, but I'm only off every other weekend.
• 2:02:30
  Does that make sense? So I like the weekends that I'm
• 2:02:32
  not off. I do stream, but then I'm only
• 2:02:35
  able to be on an hour and a half or two and then I get to get off
• 2:02:37
  and go to work. But that's not the case
• 2:02:39
  tomorrow. So if you guys want to come
• 2:02:40
  through, man, I'd love to have you there.
• 2:02:41
  If I when I get on tomorrow, if I see you live and all that,
• 2:02:45
  I'll definitely jump in. So you're saying 3:00?
• 2:02:48
  I live in 17 miles South of Saint Louis out in the country,
• 2:02:53
  so I'm central time. Well, what would that be?
• 2:02:57
  Yeah, same thing. I'm I'm in central time because
• 2:02:58
  I'm I'm in the Chicagoland area. All right, then I'll probably
• 2:03:01
  most likely be able to make it for your show and we can enjoy
• 2:03:04
  ourselves and all that. I hope you enjoyed the format I
• 2:03:08
  got going on and I'm going to make it look prettier than
• 2:03:10
  before, but this is that. Sick.
• 2:03:13
  And I like it. No, I like it that stream Stream
• 2:03:15
  Yard can be kind of funky though too, because it's like there's
• 2:03:17
  you kind of very limited on what you do.
• 2:03:19
  But I will show you video Ninja stuff too if you want to because
• 2:03:21
  when I stopped using Stream Yard, I started using Video
• 2:03:24
  Ninja and other things with integrated OBS and it you, you
• 2:03:28
  have a lot more control if that makes sense.
• 2:03:30
  Because stream yard you kind of limited is what you can do
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  sometimes. All right.
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  Also, folks, even if the links don't appear, if you just type
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  a, it was fun being on your show.
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  I was one of the guests. People can click on your name
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  and go to your channel that way. Yes.
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  All right, So what about you TTOR?
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  You, you've been doing a lot of video production for your church
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  and you've got a lot of videos. You want to endorse your
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  channel, Steven Proverbs ministry also does a live show
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  which I've hosted with him and very enjoyable.
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  Tucker, what you got for us, Kay?
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  Are you able to screen share over the comments?
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  I can, I can. I actually just found out that I
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  can just simply blind the chat overlay for a moment and show
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  the screen off if you got something for me.
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  Sure, I just want to plug my stuff really quick.
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  I just want to make put. It up on the screen.
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  Let's see what we got. Tell people about Corridor.
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  You've got your own video sharing site.
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  Very awesome. Yeah.
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  Well, if you're interested, I. Want to see that?
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  Yeah. So if you're interested in
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  following me on YouTube, hopefully I'm on the screen
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  right now. That's my YouTube channel.
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  Let me. See where it's at.
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  OK, hold on. Hold on one second, guy.
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  Now I'm going to see blind the text chat just for a moment.
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  All right? You are up there.
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  Go for it. So I'm on YouTube here at TTOR,
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  I'm on Rumble TTOR, I'm on Bit Shoot where I have over 2300
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  Subs. I'm one of the bigger channels
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  there. I'm on FTJ Media and then I have
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  my own video sharing site called Quarter, which I've been running
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  for three years. You can see it on screen.
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  URL is Quarter dot TV channel is TTOR.
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  When whenever I go live, which is every now and then, my live
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  streams appear on Quarter and FTJ Media and Rumble, not
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  YouTube. And then I have my own Facebook
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  alternative called Creation Social.
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  Creation dot Social is the URL, but I'm also on Twitter, Gab
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  Getter and Troop social because why not?
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  So those are all the places you can find me.
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  And if you're interested in my appearance here on Brett's show
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  and you want to see the content I make on my own, those are the
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  places to find it at. And those are the social medias
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  to follow me on if you want to stay updated.
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  Yeah, I already, I already subscribed to you.
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  I got, yeah, I got you. I got your channel up here.
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  You know what's crazy though? I had to search.
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  So I had to search TTOR and then even there was another TTOR and
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  then I actually searched ctor truth, the objective reality and
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  then I found you so. Yeah, yeah, it happens like
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  that. Tucker, you got something for
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  us? Anybody wants to screen share
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  their content, go for it. Yeah.
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  Is it OK if I just put my handle on the side chat?
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  It's actually really easy to find my channel if you.
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  Like make an arrow, say this is me, I was in here, I rock and
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  rolled and that'll do it. Yeah, So I could just say if
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  anyone wants to subscribe and it's up to everyone else,
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  obviously if anyone wants to subscribe to my channel, of
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  course you're welcome to do so. I come from more of a
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  independent fundamental Baptist background.
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  I preach the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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  I preach salvation by grace alone, through faith alone, and
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  I preach eternal security on my channel.
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  And I'm really more of a gospel based channel.
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  I do some Bible scripture overviews so I have a series
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  called Unpacking Biblical Truths which I haven't actually done in
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  a while but I'm going to start doing more of that again soon.
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  But for now I am taking a week off so I don't expect any new
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  content until May 29th in terms. So I'll make community posts and
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  everything, but I won't be making any videos until May
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  29th, so a week from today. But yeah, thank you for having
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  me on and I'm just going to put my handle right here.
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  Well. Remember, Friday, 7:00 PM
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  Central, as well as Monday, I'm going to attempt to do a show.
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  You guys are always welcome, and next time I will make sure.
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  In fact, I could probably get you guys set as moderator right
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  after I get off the show. Right now, there's a little bit
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  of lag. I got a lot of processes going
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  at the same time. I'm sure you guys understand,
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  right? Yeah, for sure.
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  Yep. All right.
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  Thank you again. I'm going to get going, but
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  thank you again, Brian, me. Too.
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  It was good talking to you Keith.
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  Thanks for having me on brother. I appreciate it.
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  God bless. Man, all right, God bless you
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  all. What about you, Steven?
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  You got something for us? You selling cookies or what?
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  And Steven took off beautiful, his YouTube channel's Proverbs
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  ministry. He went a little quiet there,
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  unfortunately, folks, although he does run a broadcast and
• 2:08:19
  sometimes me and TTR host him. He has this weird thing where he
• 2:08:23
  just suddenly falls asleep or disconnects and then we don't
• 2:08:27
  see him and we have to run the rest of the show.
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  But he's a beautiful man. Besides that TTOR, you got
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  anything else you want to share before I shut her down?
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  Just that man, after going through this live stream I
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  suddenly have ideas for new videos for my channel.
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  Sounds great. I'm probably going.
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  To put out of it, well, I know for sure I'm going to put
• 2:08:49
  together a video highlighting how Bart Ehrman admits that the
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  text of the New Testament we have today is really, really
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  reliable and it's what they originally had.
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  And then I'm probably going to do another video to going
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  through the passage of the suffering servant and showing in
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  the Bible how Jesus actually fulfilled those passages.
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  Sounds good, Sounds good. Let's see if we got any last
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  questions up here from people. Everybody's just saying God
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  bless, yadda, yadda, yadda. Very good, very good.
• 2:09:24
  And of course, you all know what I've got going on at GOD TV
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  Radio, Brett Keene. If anybody uses our content, do
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  not edit it. Do not take it out of context.
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  If you just want a specific argument, fine, but you have to
• 2:09:37
  finish the full argument. If you're going to upload it,
• 2:09:40
  don't do it out of context. All right, TTOR, it was a
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  pleasure. I hope you can make it tomorrow.
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  And remember, any topics you want to bring up.
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  I'm always good for that. Likewise.
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  Yeah, it was great being here tonight.
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  If I don't make it tomorrow, it's because I'm probably
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  working on those video ideas I just mentioned.
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  I understand, but if you come tomorrow you'll have more
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  content for the week after as well.
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  Trip. All right, so we're going to
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  throw out the outro. We buy everyone.
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  Where are you tonight? Empty streets below, so thin in
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  the air, can't quite let it go. The.
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  Feeling that you're there every single night I look up high
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  trying to catch a sign that you're watching over me, but I
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  just can't see. Where are you tonight when I
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  need you most? Where are you to die?
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  Are you closed? Are you closed?
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  Hands reached to the sky, Stars fall like your tears.
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  Time keeps passing by. Still I wait right here.
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  Every breath I take, Every prayer I make.
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  Hoping you'll appear in this world tonight.
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  Just give me a sign. Where are you tonight When I
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  need you most? Where are you tonight?
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  Are you? Sometimes I feel your presence
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  in the rain almost touch your life, and you fade away again.
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  Oh, fade away. My heart keeps searching
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  endlessly for what lions can't see.