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Sound Off 925 - How TNA Became WWE's USEFUL IDIOT, Kross SHOOTS And TripleMania Thoughts! · Solomonster Sounds Off

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  Speaker 1: It's business time, baby. You are listening to solo monsters
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  Speaker 1: sounds off. I love you, mama, monster dude, I want
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  Speaker 1: your soul. Woman.
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  Speaker 2: You got grown ass wrestlers in the back going on Twitter.
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  Speaker 1: Come over here is that Pet Patterson? You have legs?
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  Speaker 1: I was ninety nine percent positive it was just chessed up.
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  Speaker 2: Now, congratulations, who hasn't beat Daniel Garcia.
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  Speaker 3: It was a good week for the horror fan in me.
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  Speaker 3: I finally got around to seeing Sinners, and I went
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  Speaker 3: to see Weapons on Thursday, which was fun to watch
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  Speaker 3: in the theater with other people. It's one of my
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  Speaker 3: great regrets with Sinners. I wish I would have seen
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  Speaker 3: it when it was in theaters. I do love me
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  Speaker 3: a good vampire movie. Actually, both movies have comedic elements
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  Speaker 3: to them. Weapons more so than Sinners. I love the
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  Speaker 3: practical effect and the makeup that they use. But the music,
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  Speaker 3: I have to say in Sinners, the music was awesome.
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  Speaker 3: I do love the music they use in that movie.
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  Speaker 3: It just gives it a whole different vibe. I'm actually
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  Speaker 3: gonna say I think it makes my mount rushmore of
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  Speaker 3: vampire movies. I think it clears the bar. I got
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  Speaker 3: fright Night, The Lost Boys from Dusk Till Dawn, and
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  Speaker 3: Sinners Now Weapons.
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  Speaker 1: I won't give any.
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  Speaker 3: Spoilers away, but it is absolutely worth seeing even if
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  Speaker 3: you're not a horror fan.
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  Speaker 1: It's the kind of horror.
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  Speaker 3: Movie that I think even a non horror fan would
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  Speaker 3: be able to enjoy. I was expecting straight horror, and
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  Speaker 3: it really was it. I wouldn't say it's scary so
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  Speaker 3: much as it's creepy, and it's also funny in parts,
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  Speaker 3: especially in the second act. There were a few scenes
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  Speaker 3: where everybody in the audience was just laughing their asses off.
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  Speaker 3: So don't get sucked into deep by the hype, Like
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  Speaker 3: if you go into it with unrealistic expectations like oh,
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  Speaker 3: it's got a you know, ninety five percent fresh rating
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  Speaker 3: on Rotten Tomatoes or something like who gives a shit,
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  Speaker 3: don't read anything about it, don't watch the trailer. Just
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  Speaker 3: go see it and you'll enjoy it more. And it's
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  Speaker 3: an original concept too, which I appreciate. It's got Julia
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  Speaker 3: Garner and Josh Brolin in it.
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  Speaker 1: They're great.
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  Speaker 3: I've been a fan of Julia Garner since I saw
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  Speaker 3: her in Ozark. I mean, she was one of the
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  Speaker 3: best parts of that show, Josh Brolin, I can't believe
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  Speaker 3: I first saw that man in the Goonies and it's
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  Speaker 3: the same person in No Country for Old Men, but
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  Speaker 3: it is. They're already talking about a prequel film for
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  Speaker 3: one of the characters too, so it takes a little
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  Speaker 3: while to get going because they switch between character perspectives,
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  Speaker 3: which is pretty neat because you get some backstory on
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  Speaker 3: a few different characters as much as they can fit
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  Speaker 3: into the runtime leading up to whatever the moment is
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  Speaker 3: that they're up to at that part of the film.
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  Speaker 3: Then they go back and here's how this character got here.
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  Speaker 3: So it's that kind of thing. But I liked it
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  Speaker 3: a lot. So I watched Sinners, I watch Weapons. I
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  Speaker 3: watched In a Violent Nature, which some of you guys
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  Speaker 3: first told me about last year. That was a recommendation
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  Speaker 3: that you guys gave me. It's a slasher film, but
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  Speaker 3: from the perspective of the killer, which is something you
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  Speaker 3: don't see very often. So this is basically, if you
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  Speaker 3: put a hockey mask on the guy, it would be
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  Speaker 3: a Friday the Thirteenth movie, but with long, boring stretches
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  Speaker 3: of Jason just slowly walking through empty fields. That's basically
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  Speaker 3: what it is like if you were playing the killer
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  Speaker 3: in a video game and had no idea where you
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  Speaker 3: were going on the map, like you're just exploring the level.
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  Speaker 1: That's this movie. It is violent, though, I'll give it that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's got violins in the title of the movie,
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  Speaker 3: so I kind of knew what to expect. The kills
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  Speaker 3: are on point. It actually has one of the most
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  Speaker 3: brutal kills I've ever seen on film, the yoga scene.
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  Speaker 1: So if you know, you know.
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  Speaker 3: But it got to the end with fifteen minutes of
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  Speaker 3: dialogue in a car that I was sure was leading somewhere,
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  Speaker 3: and then it led to absolutely nothing, and I was like,
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  Speaker 3: what the fuck was the point of that? So I
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  Speaker 3: was not a fan of that ending. But they're actually
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  Speaker 3: working on a sequel. It goes into production next month.
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  Speaker 3: Hopefully it's not as boring as the first one. But
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  Speaker 3: one last thing here. I also watched the new Friday
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  Speaker 3: the thirteenth short film on YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: It's called Sweet Revenge.
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  Speaker 3: It's got a product placement in it for Angry Orchard,
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  Speaker 3: and I think people were worried, Oh, it's just going
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  Speaker 3: to be a glorified commercial. But you know, it runs
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  Speaker 3: fifteen minutes, and they kept the product placement to a minimums.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, no more so than you would see in
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  Speaker 1: any other movie.
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  Speaker 3: It's probably a less product actually not probably, it has
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  Speaker 3: less product placement than you'll see on.
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  Speaker 1: A WWE show.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm just starved for Jason Vorhees's
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  Speaker 3: content because it's been sixteen years since the Last Friday movie,
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  Speaker 3: but I I know some people didn't like it. I
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  Speaker 3: enjoyed it. I thought the music was on point, it
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  Speaker 3: had some good kills. I see a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: bitching that most of the kills came off screen, but
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  Speaker 3: it's only fifteen minutes. I mean, what did you expect?
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  Speaker 3: You know they needed time to set things up, so
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  Speaker 3: I liked it.
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  Speaker 1: I know there's a.
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  Speaker 3: Crystal Lake prequel TV series coming to Peacock. I hope
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  Speaker 3: it comes out before WWE leaves for ESPN, because once
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  Speaker 3: they do, I'm ditching the cock. I won't have any
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  Speaker 3: use for it anymore. So that concludes the horror portion
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  Speaker 3: of this week's show. This is episode nine twenty five
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  Speaker 3: of The Solemn Monster Sounds Off, where the Solomn Monster
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  Speaker 3: can sound off on anything he damn well pleases. It
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  Speaker 3: is Sunday, August seventeenth, twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: They may be.
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  Speaker 3: Able to make a horror movie out of Charles Robinson.
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  Speaker 3: Poor little natch. He's had a rough summer. First he
• 5:58
  Speaker 3: gets demolished by John Cena at Night of Champions. Then
• 6:02
  Speaker 3: he gets one of his ribs broken by Goldberg on
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  Speaker 3: Saturday Night's main event. Brett Hard is not surprised, and
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  Speaker 3: this week he landed in the emergency room at two
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  Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning and got four raby shots after
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  Speaker 3: being bitten by a bat. A fucking bat. My newest
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  Speaker 3: fear has been unlocked. If he doesn't come down to
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  Speaker 3: seven this past Tuesday. He's been a sound off fan
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  Speaker 3: out for the past twelve years. Here's to twelve more
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  Speaker 3: birthdays five times over. I hope thirty seven treated you well.
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  Speaker 3: Shout out to Polaris, who's a fan of the podcast
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  Speaker 3: and also a filmmaker. He recently worked with Carl Fredericks,
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  Speaker 3: formerly known as Eddie Thorpe on NXT Television two dive
• 7:31
  Speaker 3: into his feelings on walking away from his dream job,
• 7:34
  Speaker 3: where as he says, he played a stereotypical Native American character,
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  Speaker 3: walked away from that in order to illustrate the importance
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  Speaker 3: and Carl proudly identifies as a Northern Paiute Native and
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• 8:25
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  Speaker 1: We've got some other things in the works.
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  Speaker 3: I'll leave it at that, but before then, we have
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  Speaker 1: You should be too.
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  Speaker 3: I also want to say thank you for getting me
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  Speaker 1: A quick programming note, These next two.
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  Speaker 3: Weekends coming up are going to be a little complicated
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  Speaker 3: because there are two pay per views pls, whatever you
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  Speaker 3: want to call them. AW has Forbidden Door next Sunday,
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  Speaker 3: and that show has I believe a one o'clock Eastern
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  Speaker 3: start time. The following Sunday is Clash in Paris, which
• 9:42
  Speaker 3: has a two pm Eastern start time, so it's right
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  Speaker 3: dead center in the middle of Sunday, which of course
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  Speaker 3: is my recording day, and it makes no sense for
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  Speaker 3: me to record a podcast on that day when I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to be watching these pay per views and then
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  Speaker 3: going live. So the plan right now is to get
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  Speaker 3: the shows up day early each of the next two weekends.
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  Speaker 1: That's the plan.
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  Speaker 3: It's possible they go up super early on Sunday morning,
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  Speaker 3: but my aim is to get the SoundOff up on
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  Speaker 3: Saturday each of the next two weekends. So if anything changes,
• 10:12
  Speaker 3: I'll let you know, but just be aware of that.
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  Speaker 3: I know everyone's a creature of habit. Everybody's got their routine.
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  Speaker 3: They expect the sound duff to pop up on Sunday
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  Speaker 3: at some point. I don't want you to miss out.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want you to think, Oh, what's going on here?
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  Speaker 3: Is it going up a day early? I have no choice,
• 10:28
  Speaker 3: just because they're running these Sunday shows right in the
• 10:30
  Speaker 3: middle of the day, and they happen to be back
• 10:32
  Speaker 3: to back weekends. So if the SoundOff goes up a
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  Speaker 3: day early, there's a good reason for it. So just
• 10:38
  Speaker 3: keep your eyes peeled for that.
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 3: Last week I talked about the blockbuster WWE deal with
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  Speaker 3: ESPN for the rights to all of its plees starting
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  Speaker 3: with WrestleMania next year, one point six billion dollars over.
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  Speaker 3: I got my pinky to my mouth as I say this.
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  Speaker 3: One point six billion dollars over five years, which works
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  Speaker 3: out to be three hundred and twenty five million a year.
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  Speaker 3: One week later, that deal doesn't look so blockbuster anymore
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  Speaker 3: compared to the megadeal that TKO struck with Paramount for
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  Speaker 3: the US rights to UFC shows. TKO announced on Monday
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  Speaker 3: that UFC is heading to Paramount in a mind boggling
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  Speaker 3: seven point seven billion dollar deal over seven years starting
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  Speaker 3: in January of twenty twenty six all the way through
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  Speaker 3: the end of twenty thirty two, and the deal has escalators,
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  Speaker 3: so the money is going to be less in the
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  Speaker 3: first few years and much greater in the latter part
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  Speaker 3: of the contract. The deal will see thirteen numbered events,
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  Speaker 3: which are considered the big UFC shows, and thirty Fight
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  Speaker 3: Night events coming to Paramount, plus the streaming service, with
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  Speaker 3: some numbered shows being simulcast on CBS and just as big.
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  Speaker 3: This officially marks the end of the pay per view
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  Speaker 3: era for UFC, which started right from the very first
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  Speaker 3: show they did in nineteen ninety three. They've been on
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  Speaker 3: pay per view ever since. Mark Shapiro, the president COO
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  Speaker 3: of TKO, told CNBC the pay per view model is
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  Speaker 3: a thing of the past. What's on pay per view anymore?
• 12:17
  Speaker 3: Boxing movies on direct TV. It's an outdated, antiquated model.
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  Speaker 3: I can't believe he didn't mention all Elite wrestling. I mean,
• 12:27
  Speaker 3: did he not watch all in Texas. Dana White then
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  Speaker 3: said that pay per view was not dead and suggested
• 12:35
  Speaker 3: they could do a pay per view every now and then.
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  Speaker 3: So one hand doesn't really seem to know what the
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  Speaker 3: other hand is doing here. This all comes after well,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, actually that much was pretty clear based on
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  Speaker 3: what little bit of the interview I saw Dana White
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  Speaker 3: give on Pat McAfee show. I think the day that
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  Speaker 3: this was announced, he looked as surprised as anybody to
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  Speaker 3: find out about this deal. But this all comes after
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  Speaker 3: Skydance just closed an eight billion dollar deal to take
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  Speaker 3: over Paramount, which includes all CBS stations and CBS properties,
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  Speaker 3: Paramount Pictures cable networks like MTV and Nickelodeon and Comedy
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  Speaker 3: Central and Showtime. They took it all over, and regulators
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  Speaker 3: paved the way for the merger last month said that
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  Speaker 3: they were assured by the new owners that they are
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  Speaker 3: committed to unbiased journalism. For the people who are worried
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  Speaker 3: what this means for CBS, you know, coming under their control,
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  Speaker 3: that's a whole other bag of worms, and it's not good.
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  Speaker 3: None of these big mergers are good when it comes
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  Speaker 3: to that sort of thing. David Ellison is now the
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  Speaker 3: men in charge. I don't know if he's a direct
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  Speaker 3: client of Endeavors, but I know Endeavor has represented sky
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  Speaker 3: Dance in past deals, and who runs Endeavor, Aria Manuel
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  Speaker 3: and Mark Shapiro, the same men in charge of TKO,
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  Speaker 3: which happens to own UFC. It all seems to come
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  Speaker 3: back around, doesn't it. The deal made no mention of
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  Speaker 3: the UFC library, so it looks like they're going to
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  Speaker 3: be looking to make a separate deal for that, just
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  Speaker 3: like WWE is likely to do for its library, since
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  Speaker 3: that is not part of the ESPN deal, although the
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  Speaker 3: chairman of ESPN this week said that they would be
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  Speaker 3: interested in the library if and when it becomes available.
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  Speaker 3: If you are a UFC fan who orders most or
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  Speaker 3: all of the pay per views every year, this is
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  Speaker 3: a great deal, right. Plus, they had to pay a
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  Speaker 3: pay per view fee, Like if you were like a
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  Speaker 3: hardcore UFC guy and you wanted to see all the events,
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  Speaker 3: all the major events, you were paying a full blown
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  Speaker 3: pay per view fee. I don't even know what it
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  Speaker 3: was up to now. I mean it kept going up
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: and up. Like the wrestling shows were always fifty bucks.
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  Speaker 3: I think the UFC shows are probably sixty or seventy.
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  Speaker 3: You were paying that on top of your subscription fee
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  Speaker 3: for ESPN plus every month. You will no longer have
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: to do that. So if you're a UFC fan, now
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: you're sitting up to one thousand dollars a year that
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: you would otherwise be spending with the WWE deal. It's
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: a similar thing where if you pay for Peacock, you know,
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: depending on which tier you pay for, and if you
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  Speaker 3: have ESPN as part of your cable package or your
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: satellite package, you're not going to have to pay the
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  Speaker 3: new ESPN streaming service fee. And that service launches on Thursday.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, you're going to get those shows for free,
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: and unless there's some other reason for you to keep it,
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: you can just ditch Peacock altogether. Right then you'd be
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: saving money too, But again that's only if you're someone
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: with access to ESPN. If you're not and they don't
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  Speaker 3: reach deals with your service before WWE migrates over, then
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  Speaker 3: you would have to pay the twenty nine to ninety
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  Speaker 3: nine a month, and then you're not saving any money.
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  Speaker 3: So TKO is sitting pretty right now. I mean, between
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: the nearly eight billion dollar UFC deal, the one point
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: six billion dollar WWE deal with ESPN, and the ten year,
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: five billion dollar deal that WWE made with Netflix, that's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of money coming in. And that doesn't even
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  Speaker 3: include the NBC Universal deal for SmackDown and the CW
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: deal for NXT. Now, does this mean that the fighters
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  Speaker 3: are going to see their pay rise? Dana White says yes,
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  Speaker 3: but Dana White says a lot of things that doesn't
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  Speaker 3: necessarily make it true. It may rise, but will it
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  Speaker 3: rise enough? That's the better question, because without the fighters
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  Speaker 3: there is no UFC, right, same with WWE. Without the wrestlers,
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  Speaker 3: there are no shows. Will the average salary go up
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  Speaker 3: for a WWE performer now with all this new media
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  Speaker 3: rights money flowing in. I think it was Meltzer a
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  Speaker 3: few years ago who said they don't really have downside
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  Speaker 3: guarantees anymore, Like you would always hear about downside guarantees.
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  Speaker 3: So that's like the minimum amount of money that you
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: would be paid in a given year, no matter what,
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  Speaker 3: Like if you got hurt, you couldn't wrestle, you couldn't
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  Speaker 3: work house shows and anything like, you had your downside.
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  Speaker 1: At least, right, that's what that is.
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  Speaker 3: And I think it was a few years ago he
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  Speaker 3: said they really are phasing those out and don't do
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  Speaker 3: those anymore. A lot of talent are just paid an
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  Speaker 3: actual salary, which sure sounds like that makes them employees.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just saying so instead of a downside, which for
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  Speaker 3: a mid card talent, I mean, it could be very low,
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  Speaker 3: and then you would add in things like merch money
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  Speaker 3: and bonuses. You know, they just pay you a salary
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  Speaker 3: now instead of that. I'm sure it works differently for
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: the top talents, and I know that their pay has
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: gone up in recent years. But will that be the
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  Speaker 3: case now? You know, that would be a good question
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  Speaker 3: to ask at one of those post show press.
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  Speaker 1: Conferences if they actually did them anymore.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: But this all segues nicely into the TNA media rites update.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: It came first from John Alba of Sports Illustrated.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: With TNA coming.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Off the heels of its largest show ever in the
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: US last month, Slammiversary, it now has its site set
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: on a major new media rights deal. In a previous
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: conversation with the Takedown on SI, TNA president Carlos Silva
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: confirmed the company was actively seeking a new media rights partner,
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: estimating TNA's annual average value to be in the realm
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: of seven to ten million dollars per year. Since then,
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: rumors have swirled as to when the company, which has
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: leveraged its partnership with WWE to attain wider appeal, could
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: expect a new deal. Silva once again spoke with the
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Takedown on SI and provided a timeline as to when
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: he believes a new deal could come together. He revealed
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: it's realistic to believe a new package could be brokered
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: by this fall. I think Bound for Glory is a
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: great stake in the sand in terms of us getting
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: everything together as we look to the twenty twenty six
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: year and season, and so I think August will be quiet.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: It usually is in the media, in the media.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Will it was.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: I feel like that's all I've been told talking about
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: the last two weeks, our fucking billion dollar media rides deals.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: It ain't quiet no more.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: It might be quiet for TNA, but he says, I
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: think August will be quiet, but hopefully we'll work through
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: a few things, move the ball forward a little bit
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: in August, and then I think in September and October,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: as we get to Bound for Glory, that would absolutely
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: be the goal to try and get it done by then,
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: or certainly, if it's not done, have it agreed to
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: the first year TNA president acknowledged the legal process could
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: extend that timeline, but remained optimistic that a deal could
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: be reached by October. Rumors have attached networks like the
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: CW which hosts NXT and A and E, which airs
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: WWE produced documentaries that could get in on the bidding.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Multiple TNA sources have indicated that while linear networks are
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: being discussed, there are also streaming options on the table
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: as far as negotiations are concerned. When asked directly about
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: those two specific entities being potential landing spots, Silva confirmed
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: that they are very much in the running. Oh absolutely, yeah,
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: all of those and more. Where we have to navigate
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: all of these properties that have other properties and where
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: they are in their renewals. I mean, it's a chessboard
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: puzzle pieces when you're doing these deals, and so it's
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: about timing. It's about who's coming, who's going, and where
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: the slots are. And certainly, our job, and I think
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: we did it in such a big way at Slammiversary,
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: is to keep putting out a great product that creates buzz.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: If it creates buzz, then properties are going to want you.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Multiple independent sources tell the Takedown on SI that there
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: have at least been discussions, and this is the key here,
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: that there have at least been discussions of TNA moving
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: to a WWE associated network, and that the company is
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: even open to shifting from Thursday to Wednesday nights to
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: go head to head with AW Dynamite. While it was
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: not directly indicated that the destination would be the CW,
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: it was expressed to us that the CW's interest in
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: the promotion is legitimate and that some WWE stakeholders would
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: like TNA to be part of the network. It is
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: not clear how far those discussions have progressed, and it
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: was stressed that nothing has been signed as of yet.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Multiple sources believe WWE has some degree of influence in
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: the TNA media rights discussions, with a potential partner involved,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: but said WWE's relationship with TNA at this juncture has
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: not extended beyond the talent exchange and promotion that viewers
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: have seen throughout twenty twenty five. And so it begins
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: the talk about competing directly with Dynamite on Wednesdays, but
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: using t ANDA as a pawn to do so is
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: very on brand for WWE, because for all the people
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: who love to say well Tony took the first shot,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Tony called Nick con the con man from Connecticut, years
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: ago on TV and he called WWE the Harvey Weinstein
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Pro Wrestling You wanted competition. Now they're competing. No, that's
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: not what they're doing here. Tony Khan ran his mouth,
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: and it's okay for WWE to punch him right back
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: in the mouth if they want to. That's fine, even
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: though people do seem to forget that Triple H is
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: the one that fired the first shot technically by calling
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: AAW a pissant company at the Hall of Fame. But
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: find me where Tony Khan ever counter programmed WWE the
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: way the WWE does to AAW. Find me any example
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: of Tony Khan going out of his way, even if
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: it is to the detriment of his own business, to
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: directly compete with WWE in a way that is intended
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: to harm the other company. Trash talking is one thing
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: that could be fun, right, that's fine within reason. Competing
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: for the same talent is one thing which is absolutely
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: what WWE and AW do and TNA and every other
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: major promotion. This is something completely different that we have
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: not seen since WCWD around And honestly, this is worse.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: This is worse. But this is a.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Company in WWE that behaves like it has an ax
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: to grind. It's either that or they feel directly threatened
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: by aw's existence. And I don't honestly believe that WWE
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: thinks they're in any real jeopardy of seeding their market share,
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: you know, in the industry, to Tony Kahn into all
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: elite wrestling, this feels personal. You know, when Dynamite first premiered,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Triple H had one job with NXT, which was to
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: extinguish the flame. That's what Vince McMahon wanted Triple H
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: to do with NXT when they went head to head
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: with AAW, extinguish the flame, and he failed. Vince McMahon
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: was not happy about that because it allowed them to
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: gain a foothold. And since they draw from the same
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: pool of talent, that meant that if they wanted to
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: retain some of their existing talent or to sign new talent,
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: they would have to compete financially, which is why you
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: ended up hearing stories about people like Fucking Dax and
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Cash and the Good Brother, all these people being offered
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: you know, six figure deals that were in the high
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: six figures that otherwise, believe me, they would not have
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: been offered WWE was throwing money at people specifically to
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: prevent them from going to AEW. Okay, I've talked about
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: this before on this podcast. Around WrestleMania time, I talked
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: about this. Nick Kahn did an interview I Forget with Who,
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: and I brought up this very point. One of the
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: biggest things that aw did to really irritate WWE was
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: inflate the going rates for a lot of these wrestlers.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: Remember the report that some people in WWE felt that,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: you know what Tony Khan offered Swarb Strickland to re
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: sign him was more than his value. Right, Tony overpaid,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: and therefore he was raising the going rate for other
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: talents to a point that just wasn't sustainable. I'm sure
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: that annoyed WWE greatly. With the TNA stuff, like, ask yourself,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: why WWE is suddenly working with TNA after all these years.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: TNA has been around for over twenty years, and there
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: were a lot of years where WWE would would take
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: their own little potshots at them. But all of a sudden,
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: WWE is working with TNA. Is it because they want
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: to help TNA flourish?
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Of course not.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: WWE does not give a single fuck about TNA, not
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: unless TNA can benefit them in some way. So if
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: that means propping up a company to finally pull seventy
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: six hundred people for a show at the Ubs Arena,
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: something they were not able to do a single time,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: not in this country anyway, in its previous twenty three
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: years of existence, they finally pulled seventy six hundred people.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: If that's what it takes, then so be it. We'll
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: prop them up. We'll send aj Styles out there to
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: give our a rah ra speech and sell a few
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: extra tickets. We won't let them do a match, of course,
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: but we'll throw him a bone and will let him
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: break their attendance record. If that means propping up their
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: world champion on NXT so that he'll mean more when
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: they eventually sign him away, than hey, it's a small
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: price to pay.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: I love.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: By the way, have the same people who cried and
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: moaned and bitched about Joe Hendry only getting three minutes
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: with Randy Orton at WrestleMania, Oh, he got three minutes.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: He got dropped with an RKO. He treated him like
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: a job or a lot of these people are okay
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: with him popping out of a fucking refrigerator on NXT
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: the other week. I find that very amusing. And if
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: that means helping TNA get a better cable clearance so
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: that they can move the show to Wednesdays just to
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: fuck with Tony Kahan, then hey, what are friends for?
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: TNA?
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Is WWE's useful idiot? Believe me, if TNA was to
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: move Impact to Wednesdays on the CW, let's say, or
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: anywhere they were to move Impact to Wednesdays, First of all,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: any TV deal that TNA is able to make is
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: going to be better than the deal they have now
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: with Access TV. It's going to get more eyeballs on
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: the show, regardless how many more eyeballs. That's the question.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: I've been saying that for years. TNA will only grow
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: to a point unless they get a fucking TV deal.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: What they have with Access right now it's better than nothing,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: but they need a real TV deal on a much
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: bigger platform, a much bigger network or streaming service or
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: whatever it may be. But having said that, if TNA
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: was to move Impact to Wednesdays, it might take a
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: small chunk out of the dynamite audience, but it's not
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: about that. AW would still win the night. It's just
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: about weakening them at any cost, even if that cost
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: comes at TNA's expense, because I fail to see what
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: the benefit is for TNA in that scenario. If they
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: move the show directly opposite Dynamite like that hurts TNA,
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: It hurts TNA's ability to grow, That doesn't help them.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Like if you're looking at the schedule and saying, Okay,
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: we want to maximize the audience for this show, So
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: the first thing to do is to get them on
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: a better network that's number one, or again it could
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: be a streamer that's number one, that's priority number one.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: But also we want to get them, you know, in
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: a time slot or on a night on a date
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: where they're not in direct competition with another wrestling show.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: We want to maximize eyeballs on this show. But that's
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: not what this is about. This so this is not
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: about you know, helping TNA grow their audience as big
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: as it can possibly be. It's less about helping TNA
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: and more about hurting aw right because it might also
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: hurt aw It's okay, and that's really all the matters
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: to WWE. Just so we're clear, you know, there's nothing
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: illegal about what they're doing. They're well within their rights
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: to do so, so long as everybody understands what the
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: point of this partnership really is between WWE and TNA, Like,
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: don't be naive about this, And of all people, I
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: will give credit to Eric Bischoff for making a good
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: point finally, when he spoke to Ariel Helwani a while
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: back about why WWE is in business at all with
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: TNA all of a sudden, like, I do think there's
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: another reason. It's secondary to fucking with aaw But WWE
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: had to pay out a twenty million dollar settlement to
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: MLW to settle their anti trust lawsuit last year. So
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: it's to their benefit to play nice with TNA and
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: and you know, quote unquote partner with them and maybe
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: even help them gain a foothold on let's say, to
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: CW or on A and E to help their cause
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: the next time someone threatens them with any kind of
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: antitrust claim. This is like an added bonus for them.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: I saw Gail Kim on Twitter the other day. She
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: was responding to fans, and she was bemoaning the fact
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: that the reason TNA is bleeding talent is because management
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: doesn't give them any real reason to stay and be
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: loyal to the company right. Instead, their talent looks at
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: TNA as a stepping stone to WWE. It's because that's
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: what they are, and the more talent that want to
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: ultimately end up in WWEE it makes TNA a more
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: attractive option in the interim, which Carlos Silva and his
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: team no doubt are well aware of. And they're okay
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: with that. They're okay with TNA being looked at as
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: a stepping stone. They're okay with TNA effectively being an
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: arm of developmental Now that is a decision that they
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: made a long time ago. Carlo Silva has admitted that
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: they are not profitable. Anthem knows that TNA is not
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: a profitable company partnering with WWE to help get them
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: a better TV deal where maybe they can poll. I
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: mean again, I think it's ambitious, but ten million dollars
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: a year or partnering with WWE to sell a few
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: hundred or a few thousand extra tickets for their big
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: shows to them is worth it. And according to Dave
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Meltzer in this week's Observer, WWE has an option to
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: buy TNA in their partnership agreement and has the right
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: of first refusal should there be another potential buyer.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he says.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: The option is similar to when WWE had contracts with
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: the European indies years ago, like OTT and Progress. Now
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: that was for content for the WWE network. Remember when
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: they started airing indie promotions on the network that didn't
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: last very long because not enough people gave a shit
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: about it and so they didn't watch. But they had
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: the option to buy those promotions if they wanted to
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: buy them, They just never had a reason to do so. Yeah,
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: the end goal here is likely to buy TNA. I mean,
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: I would say it's worth it just for the tape
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: library if nothing else. There's so many people on their
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: roster right now who either came from TNA or passed
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: through TNA. I mean, they can make a fortune just
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: exploiting that alone. But right now there is no need
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: for them to buy TNA. They can get what they
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: want out of them without buying them. They can use
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: them as a pawn to fuck with aw and so
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: have a direct pipeline to their talent, and they can
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: grab them and snatch them up first. When they become
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: free agents before Tony kankad and all they have to
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: do is just prop them up a little bit. And
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: TNA is not any kind of serious threat to their business,
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: so they're cool with it. Now comes this report that
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: former UFC co owner Lorenzo Fertida might have an interest
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: in buying TNA, with the idea that anybody who buys TNA,
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: if it's not going to be WWE, they would do
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: so with the idea of being friendly with WWE. And
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: if they're not going to be friendly with WWE, then
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: they're not buying the company because again.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: WWE has the right to kill the deal.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Lorenzo Fertida is a billionaire, So I mean that could
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: be interesting to follow, you know, if there is smoke
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: to the fire.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: It sounds like there may be.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: But another added benefit to all of these media rights
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: deals that TKO has been negotiating, and they're not negotiating
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: these deals just to spite. I'm not saying that, but
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: it definitely doesn't help Tony Khan's cause now.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Right now, AW is on solid.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: Ground with Warner Brothers Discovery for the next three or
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: four years. You know, they're pulling in around six hundred
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: million dollars on their media rights deal. They are the
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: clear number two wrestling promotion in the country, if not
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: the world, between the guaranteed money that they're pulling in
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: and the time slots they have on TBS and TNT.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: But when those rights deals come up for renewal three
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: years from now is a lifetime. There's no guarantee that
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Warner Brothers Discovery is going to want to be in
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: the aw business anymore. I mean, hell, Warner Brothers Discovery
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: is being split off soon into two separate companies. You know,
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Tony Khan is always glowing about mister David Zaslov, who's
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: the head of WBD, and what a great relationship they
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: have and all the wonderful people that he has relationships
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: with who work, you know, for the company there. But
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: if those people end up on the outs, what happens then, right,
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: what happens when it's time to renew What happens if
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: you get somebody in there who isn't a wrestling fan,
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: who isn't an AW fan, Paramount likely won't be an option.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: Now with their UFC deal, ESPN is off the table.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, if it was ever really going to be
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: on the table. To begin with. But ESPN is off
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: the table. WWE has deals with NBC Universal, they have
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: deal with CW. Where does that leave aw We'll see
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: where TNA lands. It limits the options that Tony Khan
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: has outside of WBD, and WWE knows this, You know,
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Tony Kahn once said, and he now knows what it
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: must have been like for Jim Crockett when Vince McMahon
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: was counterprogramming all of his big shows and was trying
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: to sabotage his business. But he said, I've got a
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: lot more fucking money than Jim Crockett did. He said,
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: I'm serious, I'm not gonna sit back and take this
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: fucking shit. Those were his exact words. You'll have to
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: excuse the man. That was the same scrum where Muffin
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Man had his meltdown. So Tony might have been a
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: little on edge that night, but he was not happy.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: That was when WWE was first counter programming them that
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Labor Day weekend, and I think also he knew about
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: or suspected that there was contract hampering potentially going on,
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: So he was not in a good mood and he
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: just went off. But if you remember, he also that
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: night said that if and when WWE brings the fight,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: he'll bring the fight right back to them. And he
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: has a very unique way or he has very unique
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: ways of doing that because he has a lot of money.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: He said, he has a lot of money to fight with. Well,
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: we have now reached the point where he's going to
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: have to put his money where his mouth is. I
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: have no idea what these unique methods are that he
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: speaks of, but if he has any, it may be
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: time for him to show his cards. And that's say
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: nothing of all the events the WWE has been running
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: up against him.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Like they did last month.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Now comes the announcement the WWE is planning a main
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: roster pl on the same night as All Out and
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: with a main event of John Cena Versus Brock Lesner,
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: John Pollock, and Brandon Thurston. Broke the news on Post
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: Wrestling on Monday that WWE will be adding a premium
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: live event in September on the same day as AEW's
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: All Out pay per view. Post Wrestling spoke with multiple
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: sources with knowledge of the WWE event schedule, who confirmed
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: that a yet to be announced ple will take place
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: on Saturday, September twentieth in Indianapolis, Indiana. The date represents
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: a first, the first time AWWE main Roster pl will
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: air the same day as an AEW pay per view.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: We've yet to confirm the start time of the WWE
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: event All Out, as scheduled to begin at eight pm Eastern.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: We have not confirmed the venue for the event, but
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: some recent main roster events in Indianapolis have been staged
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: at Gainbridge Field House, which seems to be a likely candidate.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: Throughout this year, nxtpls have been scheduled on the same
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: day as aw's Double or Nothing All in Texas and
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Forbidden Door shows. WWE is advertising brock Lesner for the
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: September twelfth and the September nineteenth episodes of SmackDown, which
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: all but guarantees that he's going to be wrestling that weekend.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: I just love how they bring him back at Summer Slam. SummerSlam,
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: when he walked out there that was August third, and
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: they make you wait almost six weeks to see him
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: again or find out why he's back.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: This is why, this is why.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: They want to load that show up with the biggest
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: possible attraction, and it's not about siphoning fans away from
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: aw There is not a single AW siko who is
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: going to hear Oh Brock Lesner is wrestling John Cena
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: that night. I guess I can't watch All Out now.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: That's not what this is about. It doesn't matter if
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: they they sway a single fan to watch WWE that
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: night over AW. I said this on TNT on Tuesday night.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: It's about controlling the headlines. It's about controlling the social
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: media conversation. That's why they do it. They want to
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: dominate the headlines. They want to drown out AW that
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: weekend as much as possible.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: This is their way of doing that.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: All Out will be the better show, but Lesner and
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Sena will be the bigger attraction because it hasn't been
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: done in ten years and this is likely the final
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: time that and Brock hasn't wrestled the match in more
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: than two years. Even just Brock being a part of
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: the show, even the people that hate that he's on
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: the show and they don't like him, like the conversation
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: will be about Brock. The conversation will be about that match.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: The conversation will be about WWE. That is what they
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: want for better or worse, positive or negative press that
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: is what they want. Now we learn that WWE may
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: be considered airing John Sena's retirement match opposite the AW
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: World's End pay per view on December twenty seventh. Originally
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: they were looking at running December thirteenth in Boston, that
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: would be Saturday Night's main event. Either of these things
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: would likely be Saturday Night's main event. So unless they
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: can work it out with NBC to air the match
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: commercial free get ready for ads Galore for John Seena's
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: retirement match, December thirteenth makes more sense because Peacock is
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: airing an NFL game on the twenty seventh, which is
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: going to do millions more in terms of viewers than
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: any wrestling show is going to do that night. So
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: I mean that's going to hurt AW, but it's also
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: going to hurt WWE if they run that night. So
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: if WWE makes it, and this will be something to
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: keep an eye on. If WWE makes the decision to
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: run on December twenty seventh, the only conceivable reason for
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: them to do so is to hurt AW. That is
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: their goal. All of these things, these are all examples,
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: These are all happening in real time, right in front
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: of your eyes. Their goal is not to compete, Their
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: goal is to weaken them as much as possible. This
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: is just another in a long line of examples of this,
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: And it's one thing for them to willingly sacrifice viewers
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: for Goldberg's retirement match. To sacrifice potential viewers for John
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Cena's retirement match shows the level of pettiness that we
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: are talking about here. If that is what they end
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: up doing, if that's the date they end up running,
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: it just really demonstrates the lengths to which WWE is
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: willing to go in this in this war, I mean,
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: if that's what you would even call it, to snuff
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: out any competition at all, whether it's competition for talent,
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: whether it's competition for media rights. If they could trip
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: their home alarm, they would gladly sneak into Aw's house,
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: put a pillow over its face, and smother it to death.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: This is one of the key reasons why they're in
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: business with TNA, to use them as a proxy against AW.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Whether it benefits TAD in the long run is really
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: of no concern to them. It's more obvious now than
• 41:04
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  Speaker 3: Helwani Show this week, the same week that his new
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  Speaker 3: He's got a special connection clearly with his fans. That
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• 44:03
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• 44:05
  Speaker 3: I'll just run through what he talked about on Ariel show.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: He confirmed that his WWE contract expired on August tenth,
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: and that he has not signed a new deal with
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: the company. He said this is not a work even
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: though he understands why people might think it is. I mean,
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: given things that have happened recently with you know, the
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: r truth stuff and seth Rolins injury. He says he
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: was offered a new deal the tuesday before his contract expired,
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: at which point he asked how the company came.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: To the valuation that they did.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: He was not given that information, and then he was
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: told that he had twenty four hours to accept the
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: offer or it would be rescinded. So they spoke again
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: the next day, and when he asked that they had
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: that information that he had asked for, you know, any
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: metrics as to how they came to the number they
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: came to, they said, no, we don't, at which point
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: he said that he can't make an informed decision without
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: that information, and they pulled their offer. Want to know
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: how they arrived at their offer is a fair question.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: It's probably not one that they get very often, but
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: it's a fair question. And if they don't want to
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: provide that information, and to put a twenty four hour
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: deadline on it like they're a fucking kidnapper is very weird,
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: especially after they had weeks. They had weeks, they had
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: months even before his deal expired, as they do with others,
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: to make an offer or to say, hey, let's start
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: having a conversation about this. It's coming up pretty soon, right.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: They didn't do that. Instead, they wait until almost the
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: very last minute and they say, hey, sign this now
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: or else we're pulling it. Why the time crunch like
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: it sounds very shady. It would make me very nervous
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: to put my signature on anything if they're in that
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: much of a rush. He also says, wwe did not
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: make a contract offer to Scarlet, and when he asked
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: them why, he claims he was told, after we deal
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: with you, we'll deal with her now. Would they have
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: or did they want to get him signed, because really
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: they wanted to keep him and not her. Who knows
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: to me, Cross works better as a package with Scarlet.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: But that's kind of what it sounds like to me.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, maybe they only wanted one and not the other.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's not like they ever did anything with Scarlet.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: And I can never understand that she's wrestled before. It's
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: not like she can't work or take bumps. You know,
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: she was barely ever even given the chance to speak, right,
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: she has a mouth, she can speak, she can cut promos.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, they didn't have her doing anything. He said,
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: there were people in the company who thought his post
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: WrestleMania forty one promo where he sat down with Sam
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: Roberts and Megan Morant. I think it was that there
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: were people in the company who thought it was a shoot.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: That's how convincing he was. He was under the impression
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: the promo was okayed beforehand and that they all knew
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: it was a work. He found out later on that
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: Triple H apparently was not very happy about it, and
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: he had to go explain everything to him. So he understood,
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: and that right there help explain a lot of things,
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: because there was a lot of truth in what he
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: was saying in that promo, and it felt genuine. It
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: felt like a lot of what he was saying there
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: had been built up inside him for a long time
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: and it was coming right from the heart. And if
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: Triple H was not aware that he was going to
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: do it, which I find hard to believe, but if
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: he didn't, I mean it sounded like it was aimed
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: right at him.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, even if that wasn't his intent.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: Triple H is the guy, right, He's the head of creative,
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: he's the puppeteer, So a lot of it was aimed
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: at him, and maybe That's how Triple H felt like,
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Oh shit, this guy, he's taking aim at me. He's
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: making me look bad, he's making me look inept. He
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: crossed the boss, no pun intended. He crossed the boss right.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: He made Triple H look like a fool talking about
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: being left off cards, having his time cut, being told
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: years ago by Bill Goldberg to be a good soldier.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: So he was being a good soldier. And this is
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: what being a good soldier gets you. You ignored the fans.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: I never asked to wrestle Randy Orton at wrestle Mania
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: this year. That happened organically, and you ignored it. You know,
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: nothing against Joe Hendry, but you ignored it. He mentioned that,
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: and this is what I'm talking about. Here is the
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: promo months ago that he cut. You know, in that
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: same promo he said, you know, when I got eliminated
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: from the Andre the Giant Battle Royal on SmackDown, the
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: crowd told you how they felt about me, and you
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: ignored it. And then at the very end of the
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: promo he said, guy in the suit and tie in
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: the truck.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Go fuck yourself. That's from Killer Cross.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: And then he stormed off and he did a hell
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: of a job convincing people that that was real, got
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: a lot of people talking. But like I said, even
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: if it wasn't real, even if the promo was a
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: work and he told people in advance that this is
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: what I'm gonna do, it's like cmpunk in the pipe bomb,
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Like they knew cm punk was going to sit on
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: that stage that night in Las Vegas and cut that
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: pipe bomb. As I recall, I don't think Vince McMahon
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: even wanted to know what he was going to say.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: They just had an outline for Okay, here's what you're
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: gonna do, and then at the right moment, we're going
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: to cut you off. And probably the anti bullying campaign
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: was probably the trigger, because that's when they cut his mic.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: But I don't think, if I remember correctly, I don't
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: think he even wanted Vince to tell him what he
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: was going to say. But even though that was a work,
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: it was a work shoot because a lot of what
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: Punks said in that promo back in twenty eleven was
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: from the heart. Those were his real feelings. They were
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: just using it as part of the show. And you
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: can't tell me that A large part of what cross
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: If not all of what Cross was talking about in
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: that promo earlier this year was how he really felt
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: those emotions were one hundred percent real. But that's what
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: makes for the best promos, is when you blend fantasy
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: and reality. But if Triple H was upset with it
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: after and Cross had to go explain it to him,
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: that may have healed his fate right then and there.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: He said he had a gut feeling all day at
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: SummerSlam that his match with Sammy's Ain might be his last.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: He had a friend tell him, hey, you should do
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: something for the live crowd, like as you're leaving.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. Maybe wave to them
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: or something.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: I give him some kind of a signal, But he
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: said he didn't want to take away from Sammy's moment
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: since the moment wasn't about him.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: It was supposed to be about Sammy.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: So like if Cross, even if the match is over
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: and Cross is leaving and he like waves or he
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: makes some sort of hand gesture or something to the
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: live crowd, like all of a sudden, somebody records that
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: on social media. They put it up on Twitter. It's like,
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: oh shit, look what Cross said.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Look what Cross.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: Did is he leaving like the conversation automatically now shifts
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: over to Carrying Cross instead of Sammy's ain, But he
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: said big promotions have reached out to him since last Sunday,
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: but AW has not been among them. I've said this
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: many times my opinion, I don't think Aaw is a
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: good fit for Carrying Cross. I just don't see him
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: as someone Tony Khan is going to have a real
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: interest in pushing any more than WWE did.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: But here's the other thing. Okay.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: He was very open in this interview about wanting to
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: go back to WWE and still hoping that they can
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: restart a dialogue. He said, I'm not trying to turn
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: this into a game. It's not a game for me.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: It's my life. I'm very big on loyalty, but loyalty
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: is a two way street. I'm very interested in trying
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: to recover what I think is easily recoverable, but it
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: takes two people to come together and talk about it.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: I'm still here. The goal has always been to be
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: with WWE. My wife and I still want to be
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: with WWE. I'm still at the table for conversations. I
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: did not step out of the conversation. Now, imagine if
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: you're Tony Khan hearing that, why would he want to
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: sign carrying Cross like AW throwing its arms open for
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: him makes no sense. It doesn't make sense for them
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: or for Cross, Like, why would Tony Kahn sign someone
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: who he thinks is going to bounce the first chance
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: he gets if WWE shows even a mild interest in
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: taking him back? And for Cross, AW is the one
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: place that WWE doesn't play nice with. But for Tony
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: after everything with Alistair Black and Miro and Ricky Starks
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: and Penta and Ray Phoenix, Like, here's someone who is
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: openly admitting that he wants to go back to WWE,
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: and he never wanted to leave. Why would he push
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: someone like that? Like, It's why he said, if he
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: signs with anybody but WWE, TNA is the place that
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: would make the most sense. You want to go back
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: to WWE, you know, you go work for TNA for
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: a year and at that point that might be your
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: pipeline right back into WWE.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: I know he and Scarlett had issues there previously. It
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: was a messy split, but it's new management now don
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Kallis is not there anymore.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: If you know about those rumors.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: Don Kallis is actually in aw now, that could be
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: another reason for him not to go there. But I
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: think Cross is going to do well on the indies
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: for a while. He can take his time, you know,
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: maybe he and WWE start talking again. I don't know
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: why he would think things would be any different next time,
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: you know. I mean, if they wanted to do something
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: more substantial with him, they would have, and they would
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: not have waited until five days before his contract expired
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: to offer him a new deal. They already fired him
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: once before. Now they let him go. It's like you
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: smack me across the face twice. Why would I let
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: you do it a third time? But I get it.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: You know, for some people it's their dream job to
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: work there. WWE is the mecha to them.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: I get it.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: But on the indies, I think Cross is going to
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: be able to show off more of his creativity when
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: it comes to his promos.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: You know, he's very good with that.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: It's too bad we never got to see more of
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: that on WWE television, in terms of his social media
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: promos and some of the stuff he was doing there.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: I watched the TMZ special on Hulk Hogan that aired
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: on Fox. It's up on Hulu now if you want
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: to check it out. But there's really no reason. It's
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: as basic as you can get for the time allotted.
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: And you know, while they do cover the sex tape
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: stuff and the races rant, they gloss over so many
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: things from his career and kept it to mostly a
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: fluff piece. They interviewed a bunch of people for it,
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: including Bill Goldberg, Mick Foley, Mark Henry, Charlotte Flair, and
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: Jimmy Hart. But the one that got the most attention
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: and that they really promoted it around, they got Madame
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: Tusso's Wax Museum to loan them Vince McMahon for one
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: night to sit down for an interview, the first that
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: he has given since resigning from TKO last year. I've
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: seen open casket funerals with dead bodies that look better
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: than Vince McMahon looks these days.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: I thought he was.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: I thought he was going to ask doctor Gordon if
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: he wants to play a game.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Hullu, Doctor Gordon, woul game and don't sneeze in front
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: of me. I don't like it would people sneeze in
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: front of me fucking weirdo.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: You know what's sad. The man turns eighty years old
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: next weekend. If he would have just allowed himself to
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: age gracefully without all the work he's had done, he'd
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: probably look a lot less scary than he does right now.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: But on the show, McMahon said that he was shocked
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: when he learned that Hogan died, comparing it to the
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: death of a family member. He said, you just don't
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: think about someone a family member or someone that close
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: to you, You don't think about them passing away. Terry
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: had kicked out, so to speak, of so many surgeries,
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: and you know, he overcame that.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: It was a tremendous shock. It was a blow to
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: my heart.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: And he was also asked about the Hogan sex tape
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: leaking in twenty fifteen, with Hogan literally calling.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Himself a racist to a point.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: Got to include that in there, I guess because for
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: some people that makes it okay. But Vince said it
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: was unforgetable, and I was like, aghast, what happened? And
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: when those things occurred, that's not like him. What in
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: God's name is going on? As soon as it happened,
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: obviously the company didn't have anything to do with him anymore.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: We took him out of the Hall of Fame. You
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: just don't do those things. And then he defended the
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: decision to bring him back in twenty eighteen, saying, I
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: knew he wasn't a racist. I've been with him for
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: so many years. He wasn't a racist. He said some
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: racist things and he should pay for that, and he did.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: But in the end, I think everyone saw the real
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: Hulk Hogan Terry Boleya, and they felt, well, wait a minute,
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: this guy, he doesn't act like a racist. He's not
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: a racist. We all make mistakes. This was a big one,
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: but he wasn't a racist, so it was unforgivable. But
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: he knew Hogan wasn't really a racist, so it was
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: okay to bring him back and do business with him again.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: Which is fine.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's a corporate decision, but you can't call
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: it unforgivable and then make excuses for what the man
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: is not when he is on tape admitting that he is.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: They interviewed Mark Henry for the show, who said that
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: he was hurt badly by what Hogan said, and then
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: hurt again when he suggested they do a tour of
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: black colleges where Hogan would apologize and have an open
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: dialogue with people, and Hogan turned him down, saying that
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: he was advised to just not comment on it anymore,
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: as if silence it would be the solution here would
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: just blow over and be forgotten about. I guess Henry
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: felt by not doing anything, it would never go away,
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: and he never believed Hogan was sincere in his apology.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: You know, whoever gave Hogan that advice gave him very
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: bad advice, because it was never going to just blow
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: over with some people. With some people, there was nothing
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: that he was ever going to be able to do.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: Nothing he was ever going to be able to say
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: that was going to get them to change their mind.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: But I do believe had he taken Mark up on
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: his offer, or had he approached things a little bit differently,
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: there are people who have forgiven him, not forgotten, but
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: forgiven him and maybe said, okay, you know what. He
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: seems genuinely remorseful over this. When the stuff leaked out
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: about the meeting backstage, you know when they brought him
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: back in twenty eighteen, and how it was more a
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: speech about not getting caught because you never know who's
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: filming you, right. That told people all they needed to
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: know about how sincere he was. I think people just
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: wanted to believe that he was being genuine with them,
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: but the man made a career out of lying his
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: ass off, even on the apology tour that he went
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: on in the media when he said that maybe it
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: was ingrained in him from a young age because of
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: the neighborhood that he grew up in in Tampa. Yeah,
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: that people use the N word all the time, like casually,
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: So he was brought up thinking that it wasn't this
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: greatly offensive term since people were using it all the time.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: After he said that, there were multiple ex neighbors of
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: his who grew up in the same neighborhood as him
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: at the time who said they'd never heard that word
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: being thrown around at all, like it was some kind
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: of regular recurrence. They were like, we have no idea
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: what he's talking about. Everything the man says has to
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: be questioned. Vince was also asked about the segment earlier
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: this year in Los Angeles on the first Netflix raw,
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: where Hogan was booed out of the building while promoting
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: his real American beer, and McMahon said, I was angry
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: because we've known each other for a lifetime professionally and personally,
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: and setting up, so to speak, this larger than life superhero.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: You don't just let him walk out there. He deserves
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: something very very special, more than anyone they owe him.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: It's just like, Okay, here comes Hulk Hogan. I got
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: angry because that's not the way I would have done it,
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: and he deserved much more. First of all, way to
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: throw Triple H and the people running the show under
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: the bus. If he was running the show, that never
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: would have happened. That's what he's implying that if he
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: had done things the way that he wanted to, then
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: I guess in his mind, Hogan would not have been
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: booed that night. You could have rolled out the literal
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: red carpet for Hogan and shot off cannons for the
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: man with giant applause signs for the audience to follow,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: and he still would have been booed out of the building.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: I promise you there was nothing different that Vince McMahon
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: would have done that night that would have elicited any
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: reaction for Hogan other than the one that he got.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: I just saw an item in The Observer this week
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: where Tony Atlas worked a show for Limitless Wrestling up
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: in Maine last weekend, and he tried to do a
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: eulogy on the show for Hogan, but he got booed
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: so badly he just gave up. Which is to say,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: for those who think that he was only ever going
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: to be booed in La or in New York, there's
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: lots of places that.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: He would have been booed. Not all of them, but
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: a lot of them.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: Goldberg and the Special said that he was appalled by
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: the fan reaction that night.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: Now, of course he's sticking up for his brother. This
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: is his.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: Brother in arms here. Goldberg has always been very complimentary
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: of what Hogan did for him. In WCW, Harvey Levin
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: also brought up the ten bells salutes for Hogan when
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: they paid tribute to him on Ron's SmackDown, and he
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: said that it was weird not having Vince there, and
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: Vince agreed, like you could just sense how mad he
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: was about not being invited.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know why he would have thought he would be.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: The man is still radioactive, toxic sludge and shouldn't be
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: within one hundred feet of those shows. Let's talk about
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: Ron SmackDown real quick. The less time I spend on this,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: the better. I actually would much prefer to talk about Triplemania,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: which I will be doing momentarily. But one big name
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: missing from Raw this past Monday was the Women's World champion, Naomi,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: who was scheduled to defend her title against eo Sky
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: last Monday. Hours before the show, we learned that Naomi
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: was not medically cleared to perform, so instead we got
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: Eosky against Roxane Perez, which ended up being a really
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: good match. It was the highlight of the show really,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: but we still have no clarity on what is going
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: on with Naomi, and it has been almost a week.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: She did a joint interview with her and her husband,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: Jimmy Usso for Stephanie McMahon's podcast that dropped on Thursday,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: but that was recorded last month, not long after Evolution
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: where she cashed in her money in the bank to
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: win the title, So we got no update from that
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: on what's going on with her now, whether it's an
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: injury issue, an illness, or something else. Altogether, A lot
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: of people are speculating that she may be pregnant. Maybe
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: Jimmy failed to proceed with caution. And she has spoken publicly,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: even on Stephanie's podcast, about wanting to start a family
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: and how these days it's a lot easier to feel
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: like you could take time off to do that, whereas
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: fifteen years ago when she first started, it didn't feel
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: like that was really an option. Earlier this year, she
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: was on Nicki and Bribella's podcast. She talked very candidly
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: about realizing that she's thirty seven years old and her
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: biological clock is ticking away. You know, she can't continue
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: wrestling forever, and she admitted that she has only one
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: ovary and she just can't ignore it anymore. So naturally
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: your mind goes to that. And if it is that,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: it comes at a time where she is on top
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: of the world career wise, she just won the world championship.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: She's been nailing it with this heel character. She's been
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: very entertaining in that regard. So the timing is not ideal.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: But obviously this other stuff with Trump, whatever she's doing
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: on a television show, that's a little more important. On
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: Busted Open Radio, Natalia said this especially for the locker room.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: It's one of those things that, well, somebody will know
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: what's going on, but in this situation, like Naomi is
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: a really close friend of mine, but I just feel
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: like it's a time right now where she needs space.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: So usually when something crazy is going on, I don't
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: think it's crazy in a bad way, but I think that,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: like obviously it's private, it's personal. I feel like she
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: will talk about it when she's ready to talk about it.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: But I know she would have loved to have wrestled
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: EO on Monday. Crazy in a good way and not
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: a bad way would seem to only amplify those rumors.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: Whatever is going on, we're going to find out tomorrow
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: night whether or not she's vacating the title, because Joe
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: Tessitour said on SmackDown that Naomi will be on Raw
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: this Monday. Remember, Stephanie Vicaire has a guarantee championship match
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: coming to her at Clash in Paris at the end
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: of the month, So whatever that match is going to be,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: they need time to promote it and they only have
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: a couple of weeks. So if Naomi does have to
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: surrender the title, I think the solution is very simple.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: There's no need to reinvent the wheel on this. You
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: do EO Sky one on one with Stephanie Vicaire.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: EO is supposed to get a title match on Monday,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: she didn't. Stephanie is owed a title match in Paris.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: EO against Stephanie Boom done. There's no need for any tournaments,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: There's no need for any multiperson match.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: Monday was also the fourth straight week where the main
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: event match on the show ended in a disqualification. It
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: does not get any lazier than that. You talk about
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: lazy fucking booking year and Adam Pierce made it official.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: For Clash in Paris, it will be Seth Rolins defending
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: the World Heavyweight Championship in a fatal four way against Si.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: I'm punk La Knight and jay Usso. Now I understand
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: that jay Usso scored the winning fall for his team
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: at SummerSlam, but jay Uso does not need to be
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: in this match. He's in the match because they want
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: the Yeat entrance in Paris Remeber.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: They got that great visual for.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: It in Leone last year Leon France, so they want
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: to replicate that here. I don't even think he's in
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: there to take the losing fall. I mean, not that
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: any of this matter is because seth Rawlins is not
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: losing that World championship. But some people are like, oh, well,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: he's in the match because he's gonna get pinned. Honestly,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: I don't even believe he's in there to get pinned.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: I think somebody else getting pinned. Yeah, that's what I think. Meanwhile,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: we're probably getting Roman Reigns one on one against Bronson Reid.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: Maybe he can get his shoes back.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: Roman is supposed to be on Raw tomorrow night. I
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: believe they didn't announce him, but I know he's being
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: advertised locally in in Philadelphia.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: I think they're in Philly tomorrow night.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: He is being advertised locally by the Arenas for Raw
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: tomorrow and then Raw in England next Monday.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: So I would expect to see Roman back on the show. Now.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: SmackDown on Friday was another very boring show. These shows
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: are somehow getting worse. I don't understand it. I really
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: don't mean. I'm glad it's back to two hours from
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: three hours, but in terms of the quality of the show,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: it has not helped. I do not want it to
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: go back to the way it was, but it has
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: not helped. Collision is a better show than SmackDown. I'm
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: not even trying to be funny when I say that
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: Collision is a better television show than SmackDown right now,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: I didn't see one comment, by the way, on YouTube
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: under the review. This is like a first because I
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: went in pretty hard on this show. You'll always have
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: people defending it. Oh, you're being too negative. The show
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: is actually really good. I didn't see one comment in
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: defense of that show, which is very rare, Like it's
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: got to be real bad or real boring to get
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: a consensus like that unanimously across the board. They just
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: completely gave up this week, and some people pointed out
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: that Triple H wasn't there.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: He was away in Greece on a family vacation.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: Blame road Dog, some people say, now, blame road Dog,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: You blame everyone you think they're putting out a show
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: without Triple H approving of what's on it. I mean,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: he may have literally phoned in the show this week,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: but he could sail around the world for all I care.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: He's not escaping responsibility for that show. And it didn't
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: help that there were so many big names missing from
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: the show. John Cena and Logan Paul are wrestling at
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: Clash in Paris. Neither of them were on the show.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: Brock Lesnar obviously was not on the show. Roman Reigns
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: he's on I guess he's on the other show now,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: so he wouldn't have been there anyway. Drew McIntyre was
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: like the biggest name on the show and Sammy's Ain.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: Sammy's Ain has officially moved, by the way from Raw
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: to SmackDown, and I assume the same for La Night,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: but they haven't actually articulated that, but it's pretty clear
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: he's on Raw now. So this is this is now
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: Sammy's Ain challenging for the United States Championship. He has
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: put his dreams of being the world champion on the
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: back burner for the time being. And yeah, there were
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: people pointing out and look, it's a fair point. I
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: didn't mention this because I kind of look at it
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: a little bit differently. But people were also like, how
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: does this make sense if Sammy's Ain, you know, was
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: being you know, offered the chance by Paul Hayman a
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: couple months ago to leave Raw, just leave Raw, go
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: to SmackDown, You'll have.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: A guaranteed championship match.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: If you go to smack then I've worked it out
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: where you can get a WWE championship opportunity if you
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: just agree to leave Raw, leave seth Rawlins alone and
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: go to smack that on Friday nights. And Sammy's Ain
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: rejected their offer and turned down the offer, and people
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: have been pointing that out the last few days, and look,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: that's fair, but I look at it as yeah, look,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: Sammy's Ain is like the ultimate babyface, right, and so
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: he's not going to take up Paul Haman on his
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: tainted offer. And this is something that he is going
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: to do on his own and not because somebody forced
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: him to, not because somebody somebody tried to convince him to.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: And also in his promo on Friday, he thanks Solo
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: Soakoa for waking him up like he's been talking so
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: much about wanting to be the world champion, knowing he
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: can be a world champion, but it took Solo and
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: the MFTs costing him that opportunity in his match with
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: Russev on Monday night to wake him up to the
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: fact that there are other goals to attain. He's never
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: been a US champion before, so they at least did
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: take steps to try to explain that. I mean, again,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: you can use that as a criticism if you want to,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: but there's a reason I didn't bring that up.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: And by the way, I should mention this here.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: John Cena, he was at Fan Expo Chicago twenty twenty
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: five this weekend and they do these audience q and as,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: and there was an audience member who asked him if
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: he was upset about I don't know if it was
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: about his heel turn or about the reaction to that
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: initial heel promo when he first turned heel. Sina said
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: he wasn't upset with the crowd reaction to his initial
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: heel promo. He said, I wasn't upset. I failed. Ain't
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: nothing wrong with that. You can learn from failure, right,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: I went up there and bombed.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: Shit happens.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: So he's talking specifically about that promo, But even John
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: Cena here in a roundabout kind of ways, kind of
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: telling you, like, you know what, maybe this heel turn
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: didn't quite go the way.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: That I had hoped it would.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I would say so it'd be very interesting
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: to get his thoughts and reactions on the heel turn
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: angle and everything that followed after he's done in the ring,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: because he said he won't comment on it until after
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: he's retired, So after he's retired, he may be a
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: little more open about his honest thoughts about this whole thing.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: And who knows, I mean, maybe he enjoyed the brief
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: time that he was able to be a heel. He
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: may be like, you know what, I enjoyed it because
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: I got to work with Randy and I got to
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: work with Punk again. And it may not have worked
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: out the way I wanted it to, but like I
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: hadn't been a heel in so long, and I always
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: wanted to try it out again. Like I, I could
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: just visualize the answer, But he's not going to comment
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: on that until after he's done. This is the closest
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: we're going to get to him criticizing the heel term,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: which was a massive disappointment. The only other thing I'm
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: gonna mention about SmackDown, because it's not even worth spending
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: much more time talking about this show. The Women's Championship
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: picture right now on Fridays is dire.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: It is very, very dire.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: We had a backstage segment with Jade car Gill and
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: Tiffany Stratton, and we know Jade is going to be
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: getting a rematch soon. But then Naya Jacks shows up.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: She's been spending the last few weeks on NXT. We
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: haven't seen her, I think, on SmackDown at all since
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: Tiffany beat her, which was that a couple months ago.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: Now in that last woman's standing match, and there she
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: is in this backstage segment, and they sure made it
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: sound like we are heading towards yet another Tiffany Stratton
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: Naya Jacks match or something that also involves Jade Cargill
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: and Tiffany. Jade in a rematch is one thing, even
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: though Tiffany pretty much soundly beat her at SummerSlam Like
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: that's one thing. But now they're looping Naya Jacks back
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: into this and I don't give a shit how good
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: the matches may have been with her in Tiffany. The
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: fact that they have to fall back on this just
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: illustrates how fucking bad things are right now when it
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: comes to the state of the women's championship picture.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: On this show.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: And I'll loop and Julia in the US title into
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: this as well. As happy as I was to see
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: her win that US title, she's had it now for
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: all a little bit. They put Keana James with her.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: Kana James is going around on these shows now, Julie
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: is not even around half the time, and Keana James
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: is passing out her business card. And I remember, I'll
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: never forget there was one person, one one fan. It
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: might have been in the YouTube comment section, or maybe.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: It was a tweet.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: I don't remember who it was shout out to, whoever
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: the person was. When they first put Keana James with Julia,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: I like the move. I don't think it's a bad
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: thing having Julia have like a representative on the show.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: But their their take on it was, well, this is
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: like a death knell for Julia or for Julia as
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: the US champion, because this is not about promoting Julia.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: They're going to use this as a way to really
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: get Keana James over more so than Julia. And I
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: was like, I don't really see it that way, but now,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: you know what, I'm not so sure.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: Now I'm not so sure about that, Like what is
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: going on here? You know?
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: Meechen is going around to talking about getting a US
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: title match.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: That problem is the next direction here.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: But you know, even with the US title, we're bouncing
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: back and forth between Zelena and Meechen, Meechen and Zelena
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: because you know, Chelsea's been out of the picture for
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: a while, and like nobody cares, nobody cares. It's really
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: really dire right now on the SmackDown side. Do you
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: know it's not dire? You know what the exact opposite
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: of dire is the Lucha lebra scene. Let's talk about this.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: Lucha libre is super hot right now. Both major promotions
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: are doing very big business.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: Lucha Blog said.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: The CMLL show on Saturday night, which saw MJF successfully
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: defend his CMLL Light Heavyweight Championship against Zandokin Junior, was
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: a sellout with sixteen thousand fans at Arena Mexico. They
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: have broken records this year at Arena Mexico that have
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: stood since nineteen ninety one. That's how hot business has been.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: They were also sold last night with another fifty five
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: hundred fans at Arena Coliseo, which ran opposite Triple Mania,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: and that show was sold out with nineteen thousand fans,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: almost twenty actually it's almost twenty k. That's more than
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: forty thousand fans in two days, and all of those
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: shows took place in Mexico City, all within seven miles
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: of each other, so to say that that scene is
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: thriving right now would be an understatement. CMLL in particular
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: has been hot all year, probably the hottest promotion in
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: the world right now, and they might even outdraw WWE
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: for the year in paid attendance, which is wild. But
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: the Cubs Fan is a great source for Luca Libra
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: news and reviews, Cubs Fan and Luca Blog both and
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: one year ago this month, Cubsfan wrote this about Triplemania.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: Triplemania Monterey was terrible because it featured a lot of
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: angles that fell flat and Triple A didn't bother to
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: book any pality matches. Triple Mania Tijuana was terrible because
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: it focused on a bunch of feuds that were not
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: over and didn't even seem to matter much to the
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: people of Tijuana. Triple Mania Mexico City was the worst
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: of the bunch because it made it clear there is
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: no hope, no reason to expect Triple A to get better,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: and they prefer it that way. It's a dark, depressing promotion.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: Not exactly a ringing endorsement for Conen and Triple A creative.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: It seems like every year Triple Mania ends up being
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: the butt of a lot of jokes online because of
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: some overbooked mess of a match or botches or technical
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: difficulties plaguing the show, like never forget Vampiro on commentary
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: was it five years ago? Six years ago? Vampio on
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: commentary for Triple Mania, responding to people on Twitter during
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: the show who were complaining about his breathing heavily into
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: the microphone and telling him to fuck off, It's not
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: my fault. Or when he farted so loud that you
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: could hear it through his headset. I mean it was
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: like a guttural noise, Like it was like, holy shit,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: what the hell was that? Or when he was supposed
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: to do a run in this is this is the
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: classic moment right here. This is the video that went
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: around for weeks and weeks. He was supposed to do
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: a run and so he's sitting there at ringside. Actually
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: now he's standing and he's supposed to do a run
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: in on the heels in the ring, and I remember this,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: Jeff Jarrett is in the ring, and Killer crosses in
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: the ring. All these people are in the ring and
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: they're all just waiting, and Conan is in the ring,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: and they're all just waiting around for Vampiro to make
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: the save. And Vampiro refuses to budge until they play
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: his music. You got to play his music, you got
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: to play back in Black by ac DC, And he's
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: literally just yelling, please, for the love of God, play
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: my fucking music. And they finally play it, and then
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: he throws his headset down to go do the run
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: in like that was far more entertaining than any Triple
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: Media probably was that year.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: This year was different.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: No Vanpiro cursing or farting on commentary, that's one thing,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: but also they have WWE production now, so they had
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: no technical issues. There was also a lot of WWE
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: influence on the card this year. I mean three of
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: the four men in the main event were WWE talents.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: It felt like a WWE show. Now, whether or not
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: you think that's a good thing or a bad thing,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: I will defer to the hardcore Triple H fans. But
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: what I say a few weeks ago Triple H Madia,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: I think I accidentally called this show.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: He was there.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: By the way he was there, I guess he's back
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: from his Greek vacation. Him and Shawn Michaels were there.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: They didn't show him on camera, but Undertaker was there
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: What a wild photo that was.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: Someone tweeted that out Triple H did I think maybe
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: tweeted that out before the show? Was a picture of
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: Triple H, Shawn Michaels, and the Undertaker posing on the
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: stage before Triple Mania. It's just a very weird timeline
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: that we live in right now. But again, whether or
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: not you think that that's a good thing or a
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: bad thing, I will defer to the hardcore Triple A
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: fans on that they took away the six sided ring
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: and the blood and stuff like that. But it feels
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: like they're trying not to stray too far from what
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: Triple A is so far. That's the key so far.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: I watched the entire thing. I had a lot of
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: fun with it. It was definitely the best show of
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: the entire week. They had commentary with Corey Graves, jbl
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: and Conan, who at least sounded more lively than he
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: did at World Collide. He was inducted into the Triple
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: A Hall of Fame by raymis Stereo midway through the
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: show and gave a speech. Mysterio made some headlines during
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: that segment two when the fans started chanting for Alberto L. Patron,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: who just wrapped up with Triple A and is still
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: very popular down there as a baby, and Ray told
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: the fans in Spanish. He told them something to the
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: effect of, I'll bring him in wait on me. So
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: that has a lot of people talking, you know. Was
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: he just trying to silence the fans or does he
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: know more than we do. But they had this Copa
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: Bardal match, which was a lot of fun. It used
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: to be just the Copa or the Copa. Triple Mania.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: Bardall is one of their sponsors, so now it's called
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: the Copa Bardal. You'll see more of this coming soon
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: to WWE with the sponsored matches, mark my words. The
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: Mountain Dew Pitch Black match was only just the beginning,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: and that was before TKO took over.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: But the Copa.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: Bardall it worked similar to a Royal Rumble. They have
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: entrances at timed intervals, and the difference here being that
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: they only had fourteen entrants instead of I don't know
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: why fourteen and not fifteen.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: Significance to the number fourteen. And eliminations could take place
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: via pinfall or submission as well as over the top rope.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: So basically the old Luca Underground Aztec Warfare match. The
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: only difference is in Aztec Warfare it was pinfall or submission,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: only there was no over the top rope eliminations. And
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: they kept the old staples like the mini's and the exoticos,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: including pimp Binella s Carlotta. And I saw Pimpinella s
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: Carlotta come out and I said, oh my god, this
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: has taken me back now to my days of watching
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: Luca Underground. I will never forget the first time I
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: saw Pimpinella s Carlota. Matt Striker is on commentary on
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: Luca Underground and he starts, you know, explaining the exoticos
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: and running through the history of effeminate wrestlers, going all
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: the way back to Gorgeous George, and I think he
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: may have mentioned Adriene Street and the Misz.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: And that got me. That that line got me. It's
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: stuck with me ever since. The way he threw the
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: mis in there. Otis is back.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: Otis has been out hurt for a few months, and
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: he made his return at Triple Media of all places,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: and he was already super over in front of those fans.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: They even had him in Pimpy Neella do some spots
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: together and they tease the Pimpy kissing him. Taurus was
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: in the match. When Taurus walked out, I said, holy shit,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: the Beast Mortos has jumped ship. Because Mortos used to
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: be Toy, he used to be Black. Taurus could not
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: use the name anymore in AW Triple A would not
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: allow it. They owned the name. But man, it was
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: a mind fuck watching this match. From the moment he
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: came in. All I saw the entire time was the
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: Beast Mortos, right down to the mask. Like how many
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: first time Triple A fans who only watched WWE and
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: A that well they would have to watch AW also,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: But like, how many of those people were watching this
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: thinking the exact same thing, What is the Beast Mortos
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: doing here? They had Joaquin while than Cruise del Toro
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: in the match. The only real story of the match,
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: the only thing that really matters is Microman and the
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: return of Omas.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: Omas is coming off of what for him, was a
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: very successful short stint in Japan. He was working for
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: Pro Wrestling Noah. He was one half of the GHC
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: Tag Team Champions. He seemed to be doing well. He
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: was in attraction there, and then WWE pulled him. It
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: was so sudden, like he had to vacate the title,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: like they had this urgent idea for him. Spoiler they
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: didn't because this was months ago, and since they brought
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: him back to the States they have done nothing with him.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: So this was the first time they've actually used him.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to think if he was even in dere
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: Battle Royal this year. I don't know he might have been.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: I don't even remember if he was in there, but
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: if he wasn't, like legitimately, the last time they may
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: have done something with him on WWE television may have
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: been WrestleMania thirty nine when he wrestled Brocklesner. I don't
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: remember him doing a damn thing after that. So that's
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: how long it's been. So now Omas is back and
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: Microman is a three foot tall Mexican mini. Omas is
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: the exact opposite of that. He's not Mexican, and there
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: ain't nothing many about him. Evidently there's also no athletic
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: commission in Mexico City, because when you have a three
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: foot tall man standing face to face, face to the rights,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: face to ankle with a seven foot giant, you ain't
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: got no commission. But that's one of the things that's
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: so great about pro wrestling. But that shot of Omas
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: as he's laying waste to everybody, and here comes Microman
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: and I don't know if he's shaking his leg or
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: hitting him in the leg, and Omas is he turns
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: around and he's not looking down, He's looking around like
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: what was that? And then the slow look as he
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: tilts his head down and he peers down with Microman
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: looking up at him is one of the greatest things
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: in wrestling all year. As was Microman hitting the bottom rope,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: coming off the bottom rope and Omas mowed him down
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: with a mini boot. That's where the show peaked. It
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: was all downhill after that. But then Omas goes on
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: to win the bar Doll Cup. Now does that mean
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: they're gonna be doing more with him? Does that mean
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: they're going to keep him in Mexico for a while?
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: And give him a rundown there. I mean, I'm all
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: for it. First Japan, now Mexico. He could he could
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: do some stuff down there. Or for all we know,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: they may you know, put him back on the back burner,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: back in the you know, in the mothballs, and we
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: may not see him again for six months.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But this this was a lot of fun.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: They had Elihdel doctor Wagner Junior beating Messius to win
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: the Triple A Latin American Championship. My man Milimware tastes
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: almost fifty years old and still out there looking like
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: a beast. Well it's not the same though, with Dorian
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: rolled on in his corner in Na Katrina.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: It's just not the same.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: At Conan was on commentary, he was going off on
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: Wagner and his father the entire match. You know, his
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: father was in the front road rooting on his son.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: Obviously there's history there that I am not aware of,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: so I can't say that that did anything for me.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: But the match itself was fine, with Finn Balor, JD
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: McDonough and Raquel Rodriguez with Roxanne Perez in their corner
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: against mister Iguana Nino hamburg Asa and Lola Wece in
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: a mixed tag team match. Lola is an NXT talent,
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: but they've had her wrestling matches in Triple A for
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: about a month now, and they were talking about her
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: on commentary like they sent her they were on excursion
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: or something. She's barely been down there like for like
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: a month. I don't think that's such a bad idea,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: by the way, I think they should do proper excursions
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: for more developmental talents, you know, like they did with
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: Omas in Progress.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: Noah.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: They did something similar with Josh Briggs and who was
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: it from the No Quarter Catch Grow Tavian Heights last summer.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: They sent them down for that tournament, the N one
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: or whatever that tournament is in pro wrestling.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: Noah.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: I'd like to see them do more of that sort
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: of thing. The story here was Ballor pulling out a
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: demon puppet at one point to counteract the Iguana puppets
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: to counteract Yesca, and he pulls out a demon puppet
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: that JBL somehow instantly knew the name of uncommentary as
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: if we had seen the puppet before, Demonito. People wanted
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: Demon Ballor back, you got Demon Balor it might not
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: be in the form that you were hoping for, But
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: there's your Demon Balor and Demonito ate Yesca, which is
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: mister Iguana's pet Iguana. WWE already has Demonito puppets on
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: sale on WWE Shop for a cool c note, if
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: you've got one hundred buck laying around that you'd like
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: to spend, I don't even think that includes shipping and handling,
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: so it's probably like one fifteen the factor that it for.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: A one hundred bucks. That thing better eat roaches and
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: spiders too.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: The match was entertaining, The finish was a little convoluted,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: but no surprise. I mean the judgment they got put
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: over the guy in the Iguana costume and the guy
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: who started eating hamburgers in the middle of the match,
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: Los Garza. They defended their Triple A tag team titles
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: against Psycho Clown and Pagano in a street fight Angel
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: and Burtam and they have really stepped up their game recently.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: And the question is will Triple H take note when
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: he gets them back on SmackDown. Probably not, but they
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: were great here and as far as the match itself,
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, just think of your typical WWE street fight
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: with kendo sticks and tables. This one had some barbed
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: wire involved, though barbed wire in quotation marks because I
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: don't know how barbed it actually was. There was no
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: blood here outside of some incidental blood on someone's back
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: I forget who.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: And it ends with Burdo.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: Getting wrapped in the barbed wire while he is standing
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: on the top rope and taking a Spanish fly from
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: Psycho Clown and Psycho Clown and Pagano or your new
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: Triple A Tag Team Champions. And then came the segment
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: in the ring with Raymisterio inducting Conan into the Triple
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: A Hall of Fame and Conan yelling at a fan
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: in the crowd to sit down and go fuck himself.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: Apparently that was interesting. They also had someone doing the
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: English translation of his speech while he was doing his speech,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: and the problem is like it was almost like in sync,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: so they were trampling over what Conan was saying, which
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: I didn't understand because it was in Spanish, but the
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: person is trying to do the translation in English, but
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: it's at the same time it's like, dude, just wait
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: until the guy takes a breath or something. My god,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: so I mean or put up close captions or something
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: that was that was kind of a disaster. They had
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: Lady Flammer retaining the Triple A Rena de Rahenas Championship
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: over Fabe Apache and Natty Knighthart.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: The tally is doing her Blood Sport gimmick.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: I would say that I would like to see her
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: doing this on WWE television, but then I, you know,
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: I kind of feared that it won't be as special
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: anymore because she'll just continue to lose every single match
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: that she's in, you know, on those rare occasions when
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: she wrestles, and it's not going.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: To mean anything anymore.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: I feel like her role on WWE television is kind
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: of solidified at this point. They use her when they
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: have a need for her to be in a match
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: and probably take the losing fall and put somebody else over,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: and that's basically going to be their only use for
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: her going forward. So, you know what, she's got a
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: special thing going right now with this whole Blood Sport
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: Natty Gimmick. I wouldn't destroy it by bringing it to
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: WWE television right now, assuming they have no real plans
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: to use her. I think that's probably the worst thing
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: they could do. It won't feel special anymore. You know,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: let her bounce around to these different promotions, let her
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: do some indies here and there and use that gimmick,
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: and I think that is what works for her.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: She was incorporating more submission holds and she did a
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: double sharpshooter at one point at the same time, so
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: that was kind of cool. She wasn't special enough though
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: to win the title. Flammer retains the championship by pinning Natty,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: doing so off of a fast count by the heel referee,
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: another Triple A special. The heel ref match was solid,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: nothing special. Natty and Fabie Apache they got into it
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: after the match, so it looks like we'll be getting
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: a match between them soon.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: And the main event.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: Had Elijdel Vikingo defending his Triple A Mega Championship in
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: a fatal four way against Dominic Mysterio, Dragon Lee and
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: El Grande Americano. Americano came out with a mariachi band
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: sang his way to the ring, which the crowd loved.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: They ate this shit up, followed by Dragon Lee. He
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: was wearing a dragon wings and there was a Chinese dragon.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: They had drummers like it was a cool entrance. Dominic
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: came out. Dominic had a shirt wrapped around his waist
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: and he wrestled with it was wrapped around his waist
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 3: and it had Lived Morgan's face on it over Jesus
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: Christ and they followed VI Kingo from the.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: Back for his entrance.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: He embraced his father back there before coming out to
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: the ring.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: It didn't matter.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: He was roundly booed from the moment they showed him
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: on screen to the moment he hugged his dad to
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: the moment he got to the ring, and all throughout
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: the match. Vi Kingo was booed. He continues to get
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: the John Sena late two thousands treatment from the fans.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: And I'm pretty sure it started when WWE forced Triple
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 3: A to put the Mega title back on Vikingo and
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: take it off of Alberto. I'm pretty sure that's where
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: all the booings started. Alberto was super over as a
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: babyface there, and I think he had even beaten Vikingo recently.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: But then Triple A moved in or WWE moved in
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: on Triple A, i should say, and suddenly they were like, okay,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: we want the title on Vikingo. VI Kingo was going
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: to be kind of the face of Triple A right now,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: so you got to get that belt back on him,
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: even though Alberto had just beaten him and it looked
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: like he was moving on to another challenger, and so
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: they just rushed it back on to VI Kingo, and
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: the fans resent him for it.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: It's not Vi Kingo's fault, but the fans resent him
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: for it. It's the classic case of WWE shoving something
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: down people's throats that they did not ask for, so
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: they take it out on the talent, even though it
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: isn't their fault. You know, they haven't done anything to
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: warrant the booze, but he's the scapegoat. But this was
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: all action from start to finish. Vi Kingo got put
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: through the English announced table the judgment day, came out
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: to distract Dragon Lee and held him in place for
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: a six y one nine. Americano, though broke up the
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: pin that followed the LWO ran out to even up
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: the odds. We had two more Grande Americanos run out
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: to assist Kaiser Americano and he almost won the title
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: off a blockbuster to Dragonly. Then he tried to load
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: the mask, slipped that metal plate under the mask. Le
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: Tho stopped him from doing so and then dove out
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: onto all of the interfering parties outside, and he then
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: hit operation Dragon on Americano. The Kingo broke up the
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: pin and then nearly got one of his own off
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: of a six thirty cent on. Dom then pulled or
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: maybe it was a four to fifty, but Dom then
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: put on his own Raymisterio Senior mask. He loaded it up,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: He dumped the Kingo out of the ring. He head
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: butted Americano. He had butted Dragonly. He almost got the
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: pin on Dragonly after a frog splash, until another masked
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: man yanked him off. Well, let me rephrase that, what
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: are they doing down there at Triple A? Another mass
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: man came into this match and started yanking off Dominic mysterio.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: Now there was another mass man who reached in and
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: pulled him. He pulled him off, and that mass man
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: revealed himself, My god, I'm so terrible, revealed himself to
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: be aj Styles, who got a huge pot when he
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: revealed himself, and he gave Dom a Styles clash which
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: allowed Viking Goo to hit a six thirty cent on
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: to get the pin and to retain the championship.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: They had El.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: Grande Americano in this match, but they allowed Vikingo to
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: pin the Intercontinental Champion. I did not see that one coming.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: This was an excellent chaotic main event. First he had
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: aj Styles showing up at Slammiversary and now Triple Mania.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: Plus he was on the WrestleMania card this year, so
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: that's a nice hat trick for aj Styles. I was
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: gonna say, I'm not sure anybody else has done that
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: in the same year, but Joe Hendry did it this year.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: You don't have to go back very far.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: Joe Hendry was at Wrestle Batia, Joe Hendry was at Slammiversary,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: and Joe Hendry was on the other Triple Media show
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: that they did back in June. But this was a
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: fun time. I enjoyed this show. You can already see
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: a lot of WWE elements seeping into the product, mainly
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: on the production and you know, from the opening shots
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: of people walking into the building to the constant cuts
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: to you know, celebrities and influencers in the crowd. You know,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: Triple A was something by all accounts Triple A was
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: something of a shit show as it was before WWE
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: came in and took over, So you know, the better
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: production value helps elevate the product booking wise. You know,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: we'll see how things pan out in the months to come.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: I know Jeremy Borash is helping out on that end.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: Conan is still involved in the booking process. We'll see
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: how that pans out in the months to come and
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: how and if they addressed the situation with Alberto, because look,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of baggage there when it comes.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: To him, and he's been involved in.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: A lot of incidents, even in terms of just losing
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: his temper and you know, going off on fans or fighting.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: There's all kinds of baggage that he brings with him
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: and I don't see him coming back to the WWE roster.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: But would WWE bring him back? If you know, this
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: fan support continues to be there for him and people
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: are cheating, you know, chanting his name and they want
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: him back, would they bring him back to Triple A?
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: Sure?
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: I mean Raymistereo look like he flat out said that
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: they might do that, So it's entirely possible they end
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: up bringing him back. You know, to be part of
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: the Triple A product. But WWE is airing these shows
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: on their YouTube channel. So do you envision a scenario
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: where they bring back Alberto L. Patron and he's in
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: a key match on a future Triple A show that
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: they're promoting on their YouTube channel. It's it's hard for
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: me to see them doing that, but you can't deny
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: that he is super popular there and people are taking
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: it out on Vikingo because he's no longer there.
• 1:38:10
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• 1:38:10
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• 1:38:13
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• 1:38:17
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• 1:38:21
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• 1:38:23
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• 1:38:26
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  Speaker 3: seemingly dropped when there was more meat left on the bone,
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: and that lends credence to the reports of someone not MVP,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: but someone in the Hurt Syndicate not wanting MJF in
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: the group anymore. So they got their wish at the
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: expense of really giving that story a better conclusion, although
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 3: I am a little skeptical that it has reached its conclude. Well,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: we'll talk more about that when I get to the
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: predictions later. But MJF is back on his own now,
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: and he has been trying to go Hangman Adam Page
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: into giving him an aw World Championship match without the
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 3: need to cash in his Casino Gauntlet contract to get it.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: And as Hangman said, you know, MJF wants to know
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 3: that he still has that contract as sort of an
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: insurance policy, like if he loses, he could still cash
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 3: it in. But he wasn't taking the bait. He made
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: it very clear MJF would have to earn a shot
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: or cash in the contract, and I naively assumed that
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: MJF did earn a shot by beating Mark Briscoe, who
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: had won like three straight Dynamite main events, and fair
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: point to the person who commented, well, Mark Briscoe won
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: three straight Dynamite main events, how is he not in
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: line for a championship match? Fairpoint? Fair point. But evidently
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: that's not enough to earn a shot at the world title.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: And I'm not sure why Hangman would even have the
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: authority to dictate who challenges for the championship, but I
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: guess he does. So their segment on Dynamite began with
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: Hangman vowing not to be goaded into giving him a
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: title match, and it ended with MJF being goaded into
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: invoking his contract for a shot at the world title.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: Hangman got under his skin. Mjf's plan backfired. So that
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: is your main event for Forbidden Door. How they do
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: that finish is going to be very interesting because it's
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: too early to take the title of Hangman. But you
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: can't just have him beat MJF clean and move on. So,
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe Mark brisco gets involved, he costs MJF
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: the match. You know, it could be that MJF tries
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: using the Dynamite diamond ring. Brisco shows up to stop
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: him from using it, and that leads to a blowoff
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: match between MJF and Brisco.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: But it's a little strange.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: That we have both contract holders cashing in on the
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: same show and doing so in advance, and both of
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: them are heels. It's gonna be very lame if they
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: both fall short. Athena almost has to win the title,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 3: by the way. MJF retained his CMLL Light Heavyweight title
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: at Arena Mexico Friday night, and after the match, MJF
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: dared Mystico to come out, which he did, and Mystico
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: issued a challenge for the CMLL Anniversary show on September nineteenth.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: MJF at first he rejected the match, but then said
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: that he would accept if Mystico agreed to put his
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: mask on the line, and Mistico agreed and so the
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: match is now official. And then MJF got back in
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: the ring for a handshake. Mystico shook his hand, but
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: MJF laid him out with the title belt and then
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: he ripped off Mystico's mask. He had to quickly cover
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: up and shield his face, and then MJF gave him
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: a tombstone pile driver before draping the American flag over
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: his body. That's one way to get a heat. It
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: felt like that's where they were going to do this rematch.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: I've been saying that for a while now, probably would
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 3: be the anniversary show because look, AW got the first
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: match right on Grand Slam, so now CMLL gets to
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: host the rematch. And since Mystico is not losing his mask,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: that's another reason MJF is not likely to walk out
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: of Forbidden Doors the AW world champion. I don't think
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: Tony Khn wants his world champion getting pinned on that
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: CMLL show. Meanwhile, will Ospray is already back only a
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: few weeks after admitting that he had a neck injury
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: that he can quiet from AAW medical for ten months,
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 3: which is a hell of a thing to admit he's
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: got two herniated disks in his neck. But he also
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 3: said he hoped to be back in time for Forbidden Door,
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: which made absolutely no sense to me when he said that,
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: and it sounded very irresponsible if Tony con to allow
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 3: him back in the ring with an injury like that,
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: consider how important he is to the roster, how important
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: Osprey is to that company. Why would you allow him
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: to get back in the ring and risk further injury
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: instead of healing up from the injury he already has.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 3: But there he was on Wednesday, and because John Boxley
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: didn't care to accept Darby Allen's challenge to a match
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 3: of Forbidden Door, Osprey had a proposal of his own
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: for a ten man lights out steel cage match. So
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 3: we are supposed to believe that John Moxley doesn't want
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: to accept a one on one match with Darby Allen,
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 3: but he's okay with a lights out steel cage match
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 3: against five other men, including Darby Allen. Ospray later said
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 3: he had a conversation with the Boss the Ace, Hiroshi Tanahashi,
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: and he had agreed to be on his team, So
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: it would be Ospray, Darby, and Tanahashi in Tanahashi's last
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: ever match in the UK. And then two partners of
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: I guess Osprey's choosing taking on John Moxley and four
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: partners of his choosing, And they couldn't even wait a
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 3: week to flesh out the other members. They just threw
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 3: a graphic up on screen later in the show to
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 3: make it official that it will be Ospray, Darby Tanahashi,
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: Kenny Omega, and Kota Ibushi, neither of whom have been
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 3: seen or heard from since All in Texas and had
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: nothing to do with John Moxley previously. This is how
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 3: their return was announced. Kenny Omega's return was announced via
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: a match graphic code, and Bushie said on Instagram that
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: he didn't even know he was part of this match
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 3: until after it was announced. It came as a surprise
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 3: to him too. It came as a surprise to a
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: lot of people. It's just Will Osprey's gathering up his
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: friends and boom, there's the graphic. They'll be wrestling John Moxley,
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 3: Claudio Cassignoli, Gabe Kidd, who had to bow out of
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: this year's g One because of a knee injury. I
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: guess he's okay now, and the Young Bucks. I don't
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: even know how this match is gonna work with ten
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 3: men in the cage. It's not a blood and guts
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 3: match where you have two rings where you can spread out.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: It sounds like it's going to be a complete shit show.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 3: The direction was Moxley and Darby. Suddenly there's eight other
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 3: people who have no business being in the match that
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: are now part of this, but I guess Tony wants
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: to save Moxley against Darby for all out. I just think,
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 3: you know, treating a Kenny Omegakody and Bushie like this
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 3: like a throwaway almost, It's just such a short sighted.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: Thing to do.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 3: Then we have Adam Copeland and Christian Cage. They've been
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: teasing it for a few weeks, but I wasn't expecting
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: the actual reunion to happen on Wednesday, and you know,
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: happened in front of eleven hundred people like that, that
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 3: moment deserved the bigger audience. Not only did they hug
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 3: it out after Copeland's match with Stokely Hathaway, after which
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: FTR was about to spike Copeland before Christian came.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: Out for the save.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: Not only that, but they're already doing the in ring
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: reunion it forbidden door for the first time since twenty eleven,
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 3: Cope and Christian will be tag team partners. They're gonna
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 3: be wrestling Nick Wayne and Kip Sabian And at least
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 3: with that, I get what Tony is doing here. He wants,
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 3: you know, to first close out the patriarchy stuff with
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 3: Christian before he moves on to doing Cope and Christian
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 3: against FTR, and they should close out the patriarchy stuff.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: But if they close it out of Forbidden Door with
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 3: this tag team match, and that's it, you know, to
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: never do a Christian Nick Wayne singles match is just ridiculous.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: Everything was building to that and it would have been
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 3: a big deal for Nick Wayne. Now we may not
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 3: even get it. I mean, we'll see if Tony does
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: it as a TV match after Forbidden Door. There's still
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: a chance he'll do that. But Cope and Christian, you know,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: that stuff just it felt super rushed. And now the
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 3: eventual match with FTR in Toronto, it has to be
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: for the tag team titles because you've now taken away
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 3: the attraction of seeing them back together for the first
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 3: time like that no longer is in and of itself
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: the attraction, you know, for the attraction. Now are the
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: two of them challenging for the tag team titles, And
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: since their beef is with FTR, it can't be Coping
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 3: Christian challenging the Hurt Syndicate for the titles. So I
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 3: kind of feel like that gives away the finish of
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 3: that match at Forbidden Door, because again, their issue is
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 3: not with the Hurt Syndicate. Their issue is with Dax
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: and Cash. You tried to end Copeland's career and FTR
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: is wrestling Brody King and Bandido this Wednesday in the
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 3: finals of the tag team tournament to decide who challenges
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: Lashly and Benjamin in London. So does FTR win and
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 3: get the match? Do we not get a winner and
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 3: they make it a triple threat at the pay per view?
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but the end result should be FTR
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 3: winning the tag team titles, regardless of what MVP may think.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 3: Speaking of Forbidden Door, here is the current lineup for
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 3: next Sunday show is a week away and all throw
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 3: in my predictions for the show as well. Remember it's
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 3: an earlier start time, so eleven am Eastern for the
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: zero hour pre show should call it zero hours because
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 3: I think it's two hours. One pm Eastern is when
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 3: the actual.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: Pay per view starts.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: They will be live from the two in London. They'll
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: have over fifteen thousand people rocking that building. They'll announce
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: zero hour matches later this week, so right now I
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: don't have those, but we have Kyle Fletcher defending his
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: TNT championship against Hiromu Takahashi from New Japan Pro Wrestling.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 3: Should be a very good match, but it will also
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 3: be a win for Kyle Fletcher. Nigel McGuinness won a
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: four way match last night on Collision to earn the
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: right to challenge Zach Saber Junior for the IWGP World
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 3: Heavyweight Championship. Some British graps between these two should be
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 3: quite good. Nigel's not winning the title, and I know
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: it's not two thousand and eight Ring of Honor Nigel McGinnis,
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: but this is really the perfect place to do this match,
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 3: and it's nice to see Nigel be able to right
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: the end of his own story, you know, with matches
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 3: like this. I'm not saying this is his retirement match.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying that he would even be able to
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 3: come back after all these years. He's been able to
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: come back for a while. I mean, he's talked about this,
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: he just opted not to. It's not like he wasn't
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 3: medically cleared or or anything like that, but it just
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: it was looking like he may never step back in
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 3: the ring, and then he did, and now he's had
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: a few matches since then. Now he's going to London
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: to wrestle Saber for the IWGP title, and it's just
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 3: a much better, you know, kind of ending chapter for
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 3: his career than it would have been otherwise if the
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 3: last we saw of him was as you know, Desmond
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: Wolf in Impact all those years ago.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, that's cool.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: N Nigel invited Daniel Garcia to be in his corner
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: after he won the four way last night. Garcia was
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: showing frustration with the loss, but he agreed to be
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: there next Sunday. It makes you wonder if he might
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: be more of a sore loser than he let on
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 3: here and if he might play a role in that finish.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 3: Mercedes Monet defends her TBS championship in a four way
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 3: against Alex.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: Winsa Love that name.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 3: Alex Winsa representing aaw Persephone will be representing CMLL, and
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 3: there'll be one more woman in the match, representing stardom.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know who that is. It does matter who
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 3: Because Mercedes is not losing the TBS title. She is
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 3: retaining the TBS title. I know it's England. I know
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 3: you know Alex Windsor is in the match. Do they
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 3: give her a great hometown win? Windsor hasn't been established
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 3: enough yet on the roster to justify a move like that.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, for as long as Mercedes has held that
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 3: TBS title.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: My god, it's like, if she makes it to October tenth,
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: I think it is, she will surpass Jade Cargile as
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: the longest reigning TBS champion of all time. There's no
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: sense in taking it off of her. Here, Adam Copeland
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: and Christian Cage will reunite in the ring for the
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: first time in fourteen years to take on what's left
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: of the patriarchy in Nick Wayne and Kip Sabian. If
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: you think Cope and Christian are losing their first match together,
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: if I ever end up on a doubles episode of Jeopardy,
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: I would not want you to be my partner. Really,
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: Nick Wayne should pin Christian here, That's what should happen.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: But everything feels like it's in hyperdrive right now with
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: Toronto coming up, and if the ideas for Cope and
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: Christian to challenge for the tag team titles, which I
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: believe it is, wouldn't really make much sense for them.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: To lose, now, does it. So this will be Cope
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: and Christian for the win. In his very first defense
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: of the new AEW Unified Championship, Kazuchka Okada defends against
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: the former AW World champion Swerve Strickland. There was a
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 3: segment on Dynamite where Rene interviewed Swerve and they brought
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 3: up a knee injury. I don't know where that came
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 3: from or if it's legit or not, but then Okata
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 3: came out and called him a bitch and they had
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 3: to be separated and that was it. That was pretty
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: much the entire segment summed up in five seconds. It
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: was a complete waste of time. The match should be
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 3: really good, though, unless it's just Swerve selling a knee
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 3: injury the entire time, but the injury gives him an
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: out when he loses to Okata, which is what's going
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 3: to happen here. Okada retains and he should continue to
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 3: retain until such time that he steps into the ring
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: with Kenoski Takeshta, who has been absent from AW television
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 3: because he's been doing the g One. Takesha actually pin
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 3: the IWGP champion Zach Saber Junior to move on to
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 3: the finals this morning of the g One Climax against Evil,
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 3: who beat Yotasuji, one of their rising young stars, to
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 3: advance to the finals. Evil in the finals of the
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 3: G One is some evil shit. It's so bad that
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 3: Fightful had to put out a report debunking some bullshit
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 3: rumor that started on social media that Tony Khan had
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 3: some kind of control over the G One Final, and
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 3: they made it clear that even Tony Khan doesn't care
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 3: for Evil, which is why he never books him on
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 3: aw television or in Ring of honor. Even Tony's like,
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 3: don't blame me for this shit. People looking for any
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 3: reason to excuse Ghetto for his bad booking. But spoiler
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 3: got a little G One Final spoiler here. The G
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 3: One Final took place this morning, and the winner of
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 3: this year's G One Climax happily was not Evil. It
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 3: was Kenoski Takeshta, which means Takeshta will challenge for the
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 3: IWGP World Championship at the Tokyo Dome on January fourth,
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 3: or will he. After the show, Takeshta said that he
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 3: would like to walk into the Dome as the champion,
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 3: just like Zach Saber did last year. Now he and
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 3: Saber they traded wins in the g one. They're even
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: right now, one win a piece. So if that happens
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 3: and he wins the title before Wressell Kingdom, I could
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 3: see Takeshta dropping the title at Wressel Kingdom to someone
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 3: like Yotasuji.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: It's only fair. It's only fair with him losing to Evil.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 3: But I mean seriously, being IWGP champion is a full
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 3: time job. I know Takesha has three different contracts with
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 3: three different promotions, but AW is still his home base,
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 3: that's still his main spot. He's still an outsider in
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 3: New Japan, and I think having someone like Suji beat
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 3: the outsider to bring the belt back home would be
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 3: one way to go. The Hurt Syndicate Bobby Lashley and
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 3: Shelton Benjamin defend the AW Tag Team titles that they
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 3: have held since January against the winner of the Tag
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 3: Team Title Eliminator tournament, which will be either FTR or
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 3: Brodido Brody King and Bendito or both could always be both.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 3: If we get a fuck finish on Wednesday, it should
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 3: be FTR winning the tag team titles, and I believe
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 3: it will be and FTR will leave London with the
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 3: titles and roll on into Toronto to Wrestle Cope and Christian.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: Timeless.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 3: Tony Storm ends the aw Women's World Championship against the
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 3: Ring of Honor Women's Champion for nearly one thousand days, Athena,
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 3: who is cashing in her Casino Gauntlet contract for a
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 3: guaranteed world title match. Athena still being the Ring of
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 3: Honor Women's Champion is just mind boggling to me in
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 3: a lot of ways. When she should be a permanent
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 3: fixture on Dynamite, she is spending more time on Dynamite
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 3: now than she is on Ring of Honor TV, which
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 3: is great, but so long as she has that ROH title,
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 3: it's just it's hard for me to imagine them actually
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 3: putting another title on her, especially when they already have
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 3: Mercedes doing the bell collector gimmick.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: Right, you know. I mean.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 3: They're also making it a point to say that Tony
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 3: has not had a lot of luck wrestling in the UK.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 3: She lost it all in Wembley in twenty twenty three.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 3: She lost again to Mariah May at all in Wembley
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four. I think she finally gets that
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 3: big win in London and Tony retains. I just feel like,
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 3: you still need to have at least one of these
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 3: contract holders if they're cashing in win a title that night.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: But it's just.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, if it were up to me, Athena would
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 3: win the belt. I just can't sit here and tell
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 3: you I think that's actually gonna happen. They're doing a
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 3: tag team match on TV this week, though Mercedes and
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 3: Athena are gonna be partners. They're teaming up to take
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 3: on Tony Storm and Alex Windsor. That'll be on Wednesday
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 3: in Glasgow, Scotland. They have a ten men, five on five,
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 3: lights out steel cage match with Will Osprey, who has
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 3: two herniated disks in his neck, Darby Allen who always
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 3: has a death wish, Hiroshi Tanahashi who can barely move
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 3: on those knees, Kenny Omega and Kota Ibushi, each of
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 3: whom have had their own injury issues. They're taking on
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 3: John Boxley, Claudio Castignoli, Gabe Kid who's barely recovered from
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 3: a torn meniscus, and the Young Bucks. This will be
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 3: Tana Hashi Swan song in the UK. I guess you
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 3: can always look at it another way and say that
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 3: maybe he's better off in a multi person match where
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 3: he doesn't have to carry the load. And also, you know,
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 3: he gets to work with a bunch of different people,
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 3: possibly for the final time, instead of working just one
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 3: person Tana Hashi. You know he can be hidden in
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 3: a match like this, he doesn't have to do too much.
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 3: Now watch this fucking guy do a high fly flow
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 3: off the top of the cage. Now that I said that,
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 3: it doesn't even matter who wins this, honestly, I mean
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 3: I don't even need do.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: I even need to make a prediction here?
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 3: Like it doesn't matter, it really does, and it's just
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 3: gonna be mass chaos. Ten men in one ring, one cage.
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know how that's gonna work.
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, unless it's like a giant hell in a cell
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 3: style cage that sort of envelops the entire ringside area,
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 3: that might be a little bit better. But I just
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 3: hope everyone makes it out of one piece. I'll go
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 3: a team Osprey for the win, but I just hope
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 3: everybody makes.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: It out of one piece.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 3: And in the main event, Hangman Adam Page defends the
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 3: AW World Championship against MJF cashing in his Casino Gauntlet contract.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know what they're going to do for a finish,
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 3: But I do think Hangman retains. Maybe we see Mark
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 3: Briscoe make a cameo like I said earlier, to stop
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 3: MJF from using the Diamond Ring as a weapon. It's
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 3: hard to see Hangman losing the title in his second defense.
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: Yea.
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 3: I know a lot of times the chase is better
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 3: than the actual rain, but once the rain starts, you
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 3: got to give it a little bit at time before
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 3: you put the man back in chase mode. Now, if
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 3: they wanted to give us a big swerve in the
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 3: main event, it would be the Hurt Syndicate helping MJF
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 3: win the title and him being kicked out was all
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 3: just a ruse. It was all part of a master
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 3: plan hatched by MVP. But it would be like the
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 3: seth Rollins fake injury, where you know, if you really
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 3: stop and think about it, like what was the point,
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 3: like put your kfabe glasses on, right, It didn't really
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 3: need to happen. Rollins didn't need to fake anything. He
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 3: could have just cashed in after a CM Punk's match
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 3: at Summerslim exactly the way that he did here. If
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 3: the Hurt Syndicate really never kicked MJF out of the group, Like,
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 3: what difference would it really make? He still cashed in
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 3: his contract for a title match. You know, whether Lashley
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 3: and Benjamin show up to help him or not. Him
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 3: being kicked out before him doesn't really change anything. It's
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 3: all very silly, but you know that's wrestling. Wrestling is
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 3: very silly. I just reviewed a show where I had
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 3: Microman and Omas having a stare down. Okay, that's pro wrestling,
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 3: but I'm sticking with Hangman. I think Hangman is going
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 3: to retain the championship. I just leave open that possibility
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 3: that maybe MJF really is not out of the Hurt
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 3: Syndicate and they just want you to think so. But
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 3: I'll be lying when the show is over. Again, it's
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 3: a one o'clock Eastern start time. We know how long
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 3: these aw shows can be, so my guess would be
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 3: probably looking at a five point thirty six o'clock Eastern
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 3: live stream. Whenever it's over, we'll go live on YouTube
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 3: with the full review and probably get the podcast out
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 3: a day early because it's fucking with my weekend. That's
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 3: how it has to be, all right. I got a
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 3: few questions here to go through in the mail bag.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 3: Not too many, We'll save some for next week here,
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 3: but if you have questions you could email me the
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 3: solom Monster at gmail dot com. Please include your name
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 3: and where you are from when you write in. We'll
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 3: start with Rayhon from Hanover, Germany. We know John Cena
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 3: was injured just before his Last Man's Standing match against
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 3: Randy Orton at No Mercy in two thousand and seven.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 3: Was the plan for Sena to retain the title or
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 3: lose to Randy Orton? Also, if Sina had not gotten injured,
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 3: how would things have gone for him heading into WrestleMania
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 3: twenty four. I don't think it's ever been stated with
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 3: any sort of clarity what was supposed to happen. They
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 3: may not have even had that confirmed before the injury happened,
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 3: But I think Orton what I think would have happened.
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 3: I think Orton would have won the championship that night
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 3: anyway from Sina. Sena had been the champion for over
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 3: a year by that point, something like thirteen fourteen months,
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 3: and they could have had him, you know, some shenanigans,
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 3: and he would have been able to lose without being
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 3: pinned in a last man standing match, so Orton wins
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 3: the title. Now I know for a fact that Jeff
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 3: Hardy was scheduled to win money in the Bank at
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 3: WrestleMania the following year. That's when they were still doing
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 3: the money in the Bank ladder matches at WrestleMania. I
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 3: think his brother on his podcast some years ago, confirmed
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 3: that the plan was for Jeff, or at least that's
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 3: what Jeff was told, that he was going to win
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 3: money in the bank before he got suspended on a
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 3: wellness violation and that went down the drain. Honestly, I
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 3: think think that if they follow through on that plan,
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 3: if Jeff wins money in the Bank of WrestleMania, I
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 3: think we still get the triple threat match that night
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 3: that we got with John Cena Randy Orton in triple
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 3: h and maybe they even closed the show with it
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 3: instead of closing with Undertaker and Edge and Jeff Hardy.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 3: After winning money in the Bank earlier in the night,
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 3: Jeff Hardy cashes in on Randy Orton. After Randy Orton retains,
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 3: so Orton wins the triple Threat. Jeff Hardy comes out,
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 3: he cashes in Money in the Bank, wins the championship,
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 3: to close out WrestleMania twenty four and Jeff Hardy not
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 3: seth Rollins becomes the first person to ever cash in
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 3: their contract at WrestleMania.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: That's what I think would have happened, Mike from Chicago.
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 3: Between Lex Luger being inducted into the Hall of Fame
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 3: and Brett Hart recently complaining about not having enough rivals
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 3: when he first became World champion, it made me think
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 3: about the Brett Lex rivalry that never was. That that
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 3: made me think more about the championship runs that never were.
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 3: So I want to pitch a buy or sell between
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 3: mister Perfect and Lex Luger as WWF champions. For Perfect,
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 3: I would put him in that spot that Sergeant Slaughter
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 3: got in nineteen ninety one, beating the Ultimate Warrior at
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 3: the Royal Rumble and holding the belt until losing to
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 3: Hogan at WrestleMania and remaining the top heel for the
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 3: rest of the year. For Luger, I would put him
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 3: in the spot Bob Becklan got in nineteen ninety four
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 3: in which he turns on Brett sometime after SummerSlam, feeling
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 3: like he got cheated at WrestleMania. Lax essentially restarts his
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 3: narcissist gimmick where he says he looks like a real
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 3: champion as compared to Brett's smaller physique. Luger beats Brett
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 3: at Survivor series with interference from Owen and holds the
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 3: belt at least until the rumble. If not WrestleMania, which
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 3: would you buy or sell? I would buy on mister
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 3: perfect in the Sergeant Slaughter spot, because you can't say
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 3: Sergeant Slaughter.
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 1: Had you know, the size advantage on mister perfect. I mean,
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 1: he may have been.
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 3: He may he may have been a couple of inches taller,
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 3: he may have weighed, you know, twenty five pounds more,
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 3: whatever it was, but it's not like he was some
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 3: hulking figure. And this is why they put the belt
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 3: on him. They put the belt on him because of
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 3: the freaking, you know, desert storm angle and to try
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 3: to get heat, and that whole thing was fucking lame
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 3: and Slaughter. It was so weird because Slaughter was still
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 3: doing the whole Iraqi sympathizer thing long after that conflict
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 3: had ended. It was like Vince said, we invested in this,
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 3: and damn it, we're gonna see it through to the end,
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 3: and it ran all the way through the summer, and
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 3: it was just very lame and very stupid, you know,
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 3: the whole triangle of terror thing. Give that spot to
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 3: mister perfect man. Let mister perfect have a proper heel
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 3: runs as champion, even if just for a few months,
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 3: and then be the top heel through the summer or
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 3: through the fall. I think that would have been great
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 3: to buy on.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: That I'll sell on.
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 3: Luger and Jimmy from Forest Hills, Queens. You got to
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 3: question recently on one of your live streams about great
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 3: babyface turns in wrestling, and thought, since people always talk
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 3: about great heel turns, I wondered if you had a
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 3: list of your favorite baby face turns. So that's a
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 3: good one, and I do. I jotted down the ones
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 3: that would be on my list, so I can only
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 3: rank the top three, so let me do those first.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 3: I gotta go with the Steve Austin Brett Hart double
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 3: turn at WrestleMania at thirteen. That one is just iconic
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 3: and the impact that it had outweighs any of the
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 3: other ones on this list. Like, I can't think of
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 3: a cooler way to turn babyface either, by just being
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 3: a tough son of a bitch who refuses to quit
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 3: and has blood pouring down your face, Like it doesn't
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 3: get any cooler than that. The next one would be
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 3: Hulk Hogan at WrestleMania at eighteen against the Raw and
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 3: really the fans turned him babyface. Yeah, but then he
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 3: did the respectful thing and he shook hands with the
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 3: Rock after the Rock beat him. But that Hulk up
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 3: in the middle of the match is just such a
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 3: great classic moment and two five star matches. By the way,
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 3: I consider the Austin Brett match and the Rock Hogan
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 3: match two very different matches, but in my book, they're
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 3: five stars all the way, and they both yielded the
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 3: two greatest babyface turns of all time. And then third,
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 3: I have Macho Man Randy Savage WrestleMania seven after his
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 3: match with the Ultimate Warrior. It was a career ending match,
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 3: which I mean, fucking lol, I know, but you know,
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 3: the Warrior beats him, Savage is left laying there, Sherry
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 3: is livid. The woman is beside herself, she just lost
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 3: her meal ticket, and she just starts kicking the shit
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 3: out of Savage. All the while they cut to a
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 3: shot of Elizabeth, his former love, sitting in the audience
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 3: watching all of this play out, until she can take
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 3: no more, and she hops the barricade and she rushes
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 3: the ring and she throws Sherry out of the ring,
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 3: and Savage gets up. He almost strikes her because he
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 3: didn't know it was her in the ring, and then
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 3: they lock eyes and Savage doesn't know what to do,
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 3: and when they finally embrace, I mean, you had people
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 3: crying in the crowd, right Either that or their shoes
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 3: were too tight, as Bobby Heenan said. But then Savage
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 3: puts Elizabeth up on his shoulders and then he holds
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 3: the ropes open for her, which he always made her
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 3: do for him, and he exits the ring the hero.
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 3: After walking into that arena being booed, he is cheered
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 3: on his way out. That is how you do a
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 3: baby face turn. One of the greatest of all time.
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 3: And honestly, you can flip the order for any of
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 3: those three and I wouldn't even argue it as long
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 3: as they're in the top three. After that, you could
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 3: put them. I'm gonna give you some more. Put these
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 3: in whatever order you want. Maybe they're in your top three,
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 3: but I've got the Old Stone Cold, returning on Raw
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 3: before the Invasion pay per view in two thousand and one.
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 3: Now it lasted less than a week and it turned
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 3: out to be a hoax, but man, I mean, in
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 3: that moment, it was one of the all time great
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 3: just like cool turns like it was just such a
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 3: badass moment. Sammy's Ain at the Royal Rumble in twenty
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 3: twenty three, putting that share right in the back of
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 3: Roman reigns and finally breaking free of the bloodline that
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 3: deserves to be on the list. Mister Perfect on Primetime
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 3: Wrestling in nineteen ninety two, accepting Randy Savage's invitation to
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 3: be his tag team partner at Survivor Series against Rick
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 3: Flair and Razor Ramone and them pouring a pitcher of
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 3: water over Bobby Heenan's head. That was a show long
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 3: angle too, because you know, Perfect hadn't wrestled the match
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 3: in over a year. He had been out with the
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 3: back injury and collecting that sweet Lloyd's of London money probably,
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 3: but like he and Bobby were still together and they're
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 3: on that panel. That's when the Primetime was a studio
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 3: show with Vince at the head of the table and
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 3: then they had four guests, so like you had Perfect
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 3: and Bobby on one side of the table, those are
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 3: the heels, right, it's the heel side, and it just
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 3: builds throughout the entire show, where you know, you have
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 3: Savage via satellite. If you remember the setup to this,
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 3: the reason they even had to do this angle in
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 3: the first place, there was no build up to this
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 3: at all. And the reason is they fired the Ultimate
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 3: Warrior and they needed a replacement in a pinch, so
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 3: they decided to turn Curt handing baby face. And it
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 3: started with the Savage proposal, and you know, Heenan's laughing
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 3: it off like.
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 1: He's never going to accept that, right, but he.
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 3: Starts making these comments that are really offending mister Perfect,
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 3: until finally Perfect just grabs Heenan and again pours water
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 3: on his head and he says, you know what, Savage,
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 3: I will accept.
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 1: I am going to be your tag team partner.
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 3: And it was just this great even though there was
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 3: no build up, it's just this great, this great turn,
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 3: this very memorable turn. I gotta throw Daniel Brian in there.
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 3: From Raw in twenty fourteen, Daniel Brian sheds the skin
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 3: of the Wyatt family after the cage match that night
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 3: it was Daniel, Brian and Bray Wyatt against the USOS.
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 3: And I cannot say enough good things about this. Just
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 3: what an awesome, awesome segment that was. The crowd was
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 3: electric for it. I'm trying to remember where they were
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 3: that night. I want to say it might have been Providence,
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 3: might have been Rhode Island, I don't remember exactly, but man,
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 3: the crowd was on fire for it. And you know,
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 3: it's it's stretching it a bit because this was in
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 3: the middle of the Yes movement. The fans already liked Brian.
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 3: It's not like he was like a real heel. He
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 3: was sort of just under the spell of the Wyatts
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 3: and then he finally broke free, finally woke up. So
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 3: was it really a babyface turn.
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 3: He was aligned with the heel faction though, so I'm
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 3: calling it a babyface TN. Whatever it was, it's one
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 3: of the greatest segments in raw history. Nikita Koloff, My god,
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 3: this has to be near the top one of the
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 3: all time gray baby face turns. Was Nikita Koloff coming
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 3: to the aid of Dusty Roads, coming out to the
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 3: ring with Dusty to tag with Dusty against the Horsemen.
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 3: This was in Jim Crockett promotions. It was supposed to
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 3: be Dusty and Magnum Ta, but this is around the
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 3: time that Magnum had the car accident that ended his career.
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 3: They needed a replacement, and Nikita was the giant Russian heel.
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 3: He was the kind of prototypical foreign menace heel. So
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 3: seeing him walk out arm at arm with Dusty, like,
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 3: the shock of it and the pop that it got
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 3: was just unreal. And the explanation they went with was
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 3: Nikita explaining that after all the wars that he and
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 3: Magnum had, he had gained a measure of respect for
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 3: him that he felt he had to to pay back,
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 3: So that worked.
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: I thought that was a.
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 3: Pretty good explanation for it, and they had to come
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 3: up with something, and Nikita was the guy, and it
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 3: worked just such a great angle. I wasn't even watching
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 3: Jim Crockett promotions at the time, and I was very
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 3: young when the angle happened, But being able to go
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 3: back and watch it and what built up to it,
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 3: what came out of it, makes me wish I was
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 3: a fan of the product at that time, so I
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 3: could have enjoyed it in real time and been a
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 3: little bit older. The Batista thumbs down in two thousand
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 3: and five is another great turn. He won the Royal Rumble,
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 3: he had a decision to make about which champion he
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 3: would be challenging at WRESTLEMANI at Triple H and Rick Flair.
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 3: They tried to steer him away from them as much
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 3: as possible, and Batista gave the thumbs down on which
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 3: contract he was going to sign and chose Triple H.
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 3: And that was the end of Batista in evolution, in
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 3: the beginning of his big baby face push. And I'll
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 3: throw one more in there. This is a personal favorite
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 3: of mine.
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 1: It may not have the.
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 3: Impact of the Austin turn, it may not be as
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 3: memorable as Batista or Nikita, but Virgil turning on the
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 3: million Dollar Man at the Royal Rumble in nineteen ninety one,
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 3: that was a great angle, and it had been building
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 3: for years. You talk about long term storytelling here. Virgil
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 3: was Ted Dibiassi's man servant, basically his bodyguard, and Debasse
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 3: would talk down to him and mistreat him, and finally
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 3: it came to a head at the Royal Rumble. It
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 3: was Debiasse and Virgil as a tag team against Dusty
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 3: and Dustin Rhoads, the same Dustin Rhodes, by the way,
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 3: who won the TNT Championship last month, Like, holy shit,
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 3: he's been around for a while. But Dusty and Dustin
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 3: they were on their way out. They lost the match,
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 3: not before Virgil nailed Dbasse by accident, but they won
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 3: the match anyway. And then after the match, Debasse's not happy.
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 3: He gets on the mic and he calls Virgil stupid.
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 3: You know, need I remind you about your family, about
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 3: your mother, and how I found you and everything I
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 3: did for you. Basically I brought you up to where
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 3: you are today. Now wrap that million dollar belt around
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 3: my waist. And Virgil is just having this crisis of
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 3: conscience until finally.
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 1: He wrapped it around them all right.
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 3: He walloped Debiassi upside the head with the belt and man,
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 3: the reaction, it was a thing of beauty, Like they
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 3: got the reaction that they were looking for, and Virgil
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 3: was a free man at a babyface great stuff. And
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 3: I like their Summer SLIG match too, and Virgil won
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 3: the million dollar belt. So those are my favorite and
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 3: in my opinion, the best babyface turns and wrestling. Feel
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 3: free to chime in if there's any I missed or
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 3: where you would rank some of those, or if you
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 3: have other ones you want to throw in there. We'll
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 3: get some more of your questions on the podcast next week.
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 3: Keep emailing me the Solemn Monster at gmail dot com.
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 3: Please follow me on x at Solemn Monster. Any updates
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 3: to the recording schedule and when the SoundOff is going
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 3: to drop, I'll keep you guys posted, most likely on
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 3: there more so than anywhere else. Again, I'm planning each
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 3: of the next two weekends to drop the sound off
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 3: a day early. It might even be the night before,
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It definitely won't be earlier in the day,
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 3: so if they drop on a Saturday, it would be
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 3: sometime in the evening. But just keep your eyes and
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 3: ears peeled for that. That's just the way things have
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 3: to be with these pay per views coming up these
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 3: next couple of weekends. Otherwise, I'll be live with you
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 3: tomorrow night for the Raw Post show on YouTube. I'll
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 3: be live with JD on his channel Tuesday night for
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 3: Tuesday Night Titans. I believe we're up to episode one
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 3: oh seven, and we've done so many of these things
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 3: at this point it's hard to keep track. Wednesday night,
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 3: I'll be live for the Dynamite post show on my
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 3: channel then, and that should be a good show actually,
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 3: just I think for the fun of it being in
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 3: front of that crowd in Glasgow, they should have a
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 3: very lively crowd. They should have a decent crowd there.
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 3: Friday night, I'll be live after SmackDown for the SmackDown
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 3: post show. And that's okay. That's the other thing I
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 3: wanted to mention, So SmackDown. You know, aaw is going
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 3: to be in Glasgow for Dynamite on Wednesday. SmackDown is
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 3: going to be in Dublin, Ireland on Friday, the first
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 3: time they've ever done TV from Dublin. I am assuming
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 3: if I use my Trustee VPN and log into my Netflix,
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 3: that SmackDown might be airing earlier in the day, that
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 3: I could watch it earlier in the day, like I
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 3: did for the European tour back in March.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know that for a fact, but if I
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 3: am able to watch SmackDown live much earlier in the
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 3: day in a different time zone, I will do so,
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 3: and then I will go live a lot earlier than
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 3: usual for the SmackDown review. I don't know what time
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 3: that's going to be. I don't know if it's going
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 3: to be before dinnertime. If the show wraps up by then,
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I'll just wait until after dinner
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 3: and then go live at like eight o'clock when SmackDown's
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 3: coming on TV here. But if I have the chance
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 3: to watch the show earlier, I'm gonna go live earlier.
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 3: So just be aware of that. Try to keep you
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 3: guys posted on that as well.
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 3: There's so much going on here. Man, all these international shows,
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 3: what's going on? They all kind of crept up at
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 3: the same time here. Be well, stay safe, have yourselves
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 3: a great week. I do hope you enjoyed this podcast.
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 3: We covered a lot of ground here, so it helps
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 3: to share and retweet and leap comments and reviews. I
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 3: do appreciate it, and I will see you guys back
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 3: here at some point next weekend for episode nine to
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 3: twenty six of The Solo Monster Sounds off until then,
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 3: take care, guys. The Solomn Monster Sounds on July twenty first,
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 3: with Stephanie Vicaire and EO Scott.
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 1: That match ended in a disqualification.
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 3: Then you fast forward to July twenty eight, we had
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 3: Jay Uso against Bronson Reid which ended in a disqualification.
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 3: August fourth, you had seth Rawlins one on one against
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 3: La Knight for the World Heavyweight Championship in a match
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 3: that ended in a disqualification. And then we arrived tonight
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 3: and see I'm punk in La Night against bron Breaker
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 3: and Bronson Reid, And wouldn't you know how did this
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 3: match end? It ended in a disqualification. As a match,
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 3: it was fined. It was a good main event until
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 3: we hit the finish and then I realized, Boy, I
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 3: feel like I have suffered from deja vous. It almost
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 3: feels like I've seen this before. It's almost like I'm
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 3: watching a rerun. Jamis comes out. He talks about Banger
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 3: after banger. We could talk about DQ after DQ after D.
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