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#418 Social Emotional Learning; the Struggle for the Child's Soul with Rhonda Thomas · Claymore: Become Who You Are

0:09
Jack: Welcome to Become who you Are.
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Jack: Podcast.
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Jack: The production of the John Paul 2 Renewal Center.
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Jack: I'm Jack Rigert, your host, and I'm glad you're joining us today.
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Jack: You know we're gonna be talking about the public school system a little bit, but specifically SEL social emotional learning and you've heard me talk about these things before.
0:25
Jack: Not only is our school system, our public education system in the United States, failing our students to teach them the basics of English, math, history, science.
0:35
Jack: It's indoctrinating them these nefarious critical theories not critical race theory, critical gender theory, critical queer theory but one of the more nefarious ways they do this is this hypodermic needle they use to inject this into our hearts and minds and very bodies of our children a social emotional learning, SEL.
0:55
Jack: And it's not so easy to get your hands, your arms around because it seems to be in everything today.
1:00
Jack: So, to help us understand this, Rhonda Thomas is with us today.
1:04
Jack: She's the co-founder of Truth and Education.
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Jack: So buckle up and get ready for today's episode.
1:20
Jack: I'm excited and grateful to be with Rhonda Thomas today.
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Jack: Rhonda is the founder and president of Atlanta based Truth and Education that educates parents through exposing harmful anti-Christian trends, curriculum and policies in the school systems.
1:33
Jack: Rhonda's been politically involved for over 20 years with both local and national organizations as work with legislators on bills and issues that affect education, children and the families, Always minister-minded.
1:47
Jack: Rhonda is a national speaker who works with like-minded organizations to inspire parents to advocate for their children.
1:54
Jack: Rhonda Thomas, is so good to be with you.
1:56
Jack: Thank you.
1:58
Rhonda Thomas: Thank you for having me today.
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Jack: Well, I'll tell you what.
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Jack: Right there at the end, you work with like-minded organizations to inspire parents to advocate for children.
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Jack: So I'm going to ask you two things Tell us a little bit about Truth and Education and your work there, and then also how you're feeling about waking up those parents, because I think that was one of the biggest challenges through the years for us, Rhonda was trying to wake up parents to what their children are being exposed to in the public school systems.
2:26
Rhonda Thomas: Yes, truth and Education actually started.
2:29
Rhonda Thomas: I've been involved in politically for a long time, but through mentoring young women.
2:34
Rhonda Thomas: I began to hear, probably seven years ago, about the comprehensive sex ed in the schools and their concerns over that and over the pornography that's in our schools, in our books.
2:45
Rhonda Thomas: We hear about that still.
2:47
Rhonda Thomas: So this is not a new issue that we're dealing with, but I began to dig into some of this and God just called me into this.
2:56
Rhonda Thomas: I've been doing this, we have, or I have, for seven years, but Truth and Education wasn't formalized as a nonprofit until probably two years ago and we are mostly Georgia focused.
3:09
Rhonda Thomas: We have a couple of chapters outside of Georgia One is South Carolina and one of Alaska, of all places.
3:15
Rhonda Thomas: We really are focused in Georgia, so we have chapters throughout Georgia.
3:19
Rhonda Thomas: Waking up parents has been our goal.
3:23
Rhonda Thomas: We are a Christian organization so we speak a lot in churches.
3:27
Rhonda Thomas: Our goal is really to wake up the church and to wake up parents.
3:33
Jack: And that's a mouthful you just said too because it's not just the parents, it's actually the pastors, and I'm Catholic and I find the same challenges within the Catholic churches.
3:43
Jack: The same thing.
3:44
Jack: It's amazing, isn't it it?
3:45
Rhonda Thomas: is amazing, but then I guess we have to say we're the church, right?
3:50
Rhonda Thomas: It may not be happening in those buildings.
3:53
Jack: No, you're exactly right.
3:54
Rhonda Thomas: We need to, although we want to continue to try to wake up our pastors, and I do see more of that happening, and so that's very encouraging.
4:04
Rhonda Thomas: But waking up the parents, as you said, jack, it is not easy.
4:08
Rhonda Thomas: This is overwhelming.
4:10
Rhonda Thomas: It's more than a lot of parents can take in, and a lot of parents are somewhere in their life where they maybe sometimes don't want to know, because sometimes when we know something, we feel like we've got to do something about it.
4:24
Rhonda Thomas: And they're busy.
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Rhonda Thomas: And then there are those parents that really honestly just don't want the responsibility and it makes me sad to say that Taking that on with their children, their education and sometimes we certainly find that, and we also find the parents, unfortunately, on the other side of this issue and really don't see anything wrong with it.
4:46
Jack: You know, they've been indoctrinated themselves.
4:48
Jack: Unfortunately, haven't they.
4:50
Rhonda Thomas: You know that's a great point.
4:52
Rhonda Thomas: In fact, corporate America indoctrinates them.
4:56
Rhonda Thomas: If they're in the workforce, they indoctrinate them.
4:59
Rhonda Thomas: I know people who have to do diversity, equity and inclusion classes, some every week and when your parents are hearing a lot of this terminology at work and then they come home and their children are mentioning some of those same terms, they don't think anything of it.
5:19
Rhonda Thomas: I don't think they understand, though, the depth of what's happening to their children in the schools and of course, we know children don't have critical thinking skills like parents do, but they just hear the surface.
5:32
Rhonda Thomas: They're not aware of how dangerous this is and how it's being used within the school systems.
5:38
Rhonda Thomas: Dr John, L Dixon.
5:39
Jack: Yeah, a couple of things come to mind when you're talking about that Pornography you mentioned earlier.
5:43
Jack: We just did a.
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Jack: We were just banned from a local library for giving a talk on what we call stolen innocence, rhonda, which is really exposing all those things you're talking about, the national sex standards which are being promoted heavily here in Illinois, pornography in the schools and the school libraries.
6:02
Jack: You almost can't imagine what those look like.
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Jack: So we bring that to parents and show them actually on a PowerPoint.
6:10
Jack: You know how they can investigate those and what's going on and what's in there.
6:14
Jack: And then we add to this the hydra of critical theories right, critical race theory, critical gender theory, critical queer theory and DEI.
6:22
Jack: And then I think about, I think about the climate ideology you know, and, and.
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Jack: But while all these things that we describe and define, for parents, nothing seems to be as difficult to define and describe as this fad of SEL, social emotional learning.
6:40
Jack: And you know you talk about a hydra, you know that's got its tentacles and everything.
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Jack: You know I've heard it called a atrocious horse and I and I like that really, or like a hypodermic needle that can be filled with almost anything and injected into the very hearts and minds and bodies now of our children.
6:57
Jack: So of all of those issues, I think the hardest thing to.
7:00
Jack: There's no way to give an elevator speech on this, but I know that you speak about all of these different issues, but you did such a good job in a couple of different things that I've seen trying to help parents get their minds around SEL that I thought I have to ask her to come on our show and help us do this.
7:20
Jack: And I know this is not easy, but you did a marvelous job a couple of times.
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Jack: So our objective around I'll just put out in front is to be able to help parents stand up at school board meetings and articulate this enough that we can open the dialogue and then with their neighbors and their families.
7:37
Jack: So we're working with people to do this.
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Jack: But so if you can help us a little bit about with that today anything that you can share in any way, we can kind of get this organized in our minds in a way that we can kind of be able to relate this back to other people.
7:55
Rhonda Thomas: And I try to do that as simply as I can.
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Rhonda Thomas: I mean, we can talk high level, but I think when we're talking to parents it's much better to speak on in terms, if we can.
8:05
Rhonda Thomas: That helps them to understand where this is coming from.
8:09
Rhonda Thomas: I want to read a quote to you from Stalin Joseph Stalin, in fact Christopher Rufo put this in his new book the production of souls is more important than the production of tanks.
8:22
Rhonda Thomas: Stalin said to a group of artists assembled at the home of Maxim Gorky and 32, explaining that the communists desired not only to me remake the world of politics and economics, but to replace human nature according to the dictates of left wing ideology.
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Rhonda Thomas: And that is what SEL is doing.
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Rhonda Thomas: Sel actually has an occult background to it.
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Rhonda Thomas: The founders of CASEL, c-a-s-e-l dot org.
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Rhonda Thomas: If your listeners are not familiar, sel is the main online platform for social emotional learning and all other platforms have to align with CASEL.
9:07
Rhonda Thomas: So this is their main framework the founder of CASEL, his mentor that he really looked up to was Mr Fetzer of the Fetzer Institute.
9:18
Rhonda Thomas: Mr Fetzer's mentor was Alice Bailey, and Alice Bailey was the founder of the Luciferian Publishing Company.
9:26
Rhonda Thomas: This is really SEL.
9:29
Rhonda Thomas: I'm going to call Social Emotional Learning SEL.
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Rhonda Thomas: Sel is designed to steal the spirit of our children, their free will to change their beliefs, their behaviors, their attitudes, their relationships.
9:44
Rhonda Thomas: And we saw that happen during COVID, where they social distanced, which affects their relationships.
9:51
Rhonda Thomas: Look what comes through relationships all knowledge, all family confidence, our relationship with God.
9:59
Rhonda Thomas: So when we're destroying relationships, we're really destroying the child.
10:04
Rhonda Thomas: So Social Emotional Learning is in every subject in our schools.
10:09
Rhonda Thomas: You cannot opt out of it.
10:11
Jack: It's very stealth.
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Rhonda Thomas: It's like a silent war with silent weapons.
10:16
Rhonda Thomas: We've got it embedded in everything and it is doing what it was designed to do.
10:23
Rhonda Thomas: It comes into the schools with through the counselors mostly, and everyone is fed the line that this is to help teachers and counselors understand their students how it's going to help them academically, because if they're healthy emotionally then they can learn better, and we know that's true.
10:43
Rhonda Thomas: But this, this is not the same thing.
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Rhonda Thomas: You can opt out, by the way and parents need to know this of ever meeting with a school counselor, and we highly recommend that they're trained to be college and career counselors.
10:56
Rhonda Thomas: So they're really causing a lot of damage.
11:00
Rhonda Thomas: I'm going to explain SEL, starting out as our psychologist does.
11:05
Rhonda Thomas: It's on our board.
11:06
Rhonda Thomas: Our children leave our homes feeling confident and loved and they enter into these school buildings and they're on an unlevel playing field.
11:15
Rhonda Thomas: All day long.
11:17
Rhonda Thomas: They're experiencing trauma.
11:18
Rhonda Thomas: When a girl goes, a boy goes to a girl's bathroom, that's a hit.
11:23
Rhonda Thomas: It's trauma.
11:24
Rhonda Thomas: When they're sitting in these wellness circles in the morning, which is SEL, and they're just constantly reflecting on themselves, that's trauma and it also creates victimhood, by the way, when what their best friend decides.
11:40
Jack: So when you say that, ron I don't like to interrupt right here but when you say focus in on yourself and that's causing trauma, can you unpack that just a little bit to what you mean by that?
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Rhonda Thomas: Well, let me tell you what SEL does.
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Rhonda Thomas: It instructs the teachers and the counselors to become their friends, not their authority figure.
12:01
Rhonda Thomas: And now we're beginning to hear I've had two parents tell me that their child has come home and made comments like I don't want to be divorced or have money problems.
12:11
Rhonda Thomas: So part of what they're also doing is sharing their problems with the children so that the children will share more with them.
12:17
Rhonda Thomas: So we're removing that authority figure.
12:20
Rhonda Thomas: That's trauma.
12:21
Rhonda Thomas: Children are taking on burdens they should not be taking on.
12:24
Rhonda Thomas: And also it's trauma when you are constantly focused on yourself, your feelings, your family issues, whatever it is.
12:34
Rhonda Thomas: You're kept in that constant state of reflection.
12:38
Rhonda Thomas: They're not really helping them get past their problems.
12:41
Rhonda Thomas: They're saturated.
12:42
Jack: See again, that's a good point.
12:45
Jack: I just don't want people that are listening to miss this.
12:48
Jack: Human beings you mentioned it earlier.
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Jack: We're about relationships and we know that.
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Jack: As we logically think, what does it mean to be a human being?
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Jack: Who am I as a person?
13:01
Jack: But then I have to focus outward, don't I?
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Jack: I have to focus not only on myself, but to see other people, to be assistants to them, to be friends with them.
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Jack: So when we become the self-focused person, we're not really fully human and we can become obsessed with all of these issues and problems.
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Jack: We get into our own little bubble.
13:24
Jack: Sorry about that, but I think it's just such an important point to make.
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Rhonda Thomas: Well, and you made a good point because even when we have addiction issues or whatever it is we're dealing with, you see healing in people when they begin to look outwards.
13:40
Jack: Yes, yes.
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Rhonda Thomas: So it's very important, but that's not what's happening to our children.
13:46
Rhonda Thomas: That's what we're told is happening to our children, but it isn't.
13:49
Rhonda Thomas: It's quite the opposite.
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Rhonda Thomas: So healing comes through our relationship with Christ, and when that happens, our eyes are turned toward Him and outward, and so these children are just kept focused on themselves, self-reflection, and that's what they're doing with our teachers and our counselors.
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Rhonda Thomas: They're doing the same thing.
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Rhonda Thomas: They're self-reflecting to make sure they don't have any biases, and what are their motives behind their thoughts.
14:17
Rhonda Thomas: So they're also being brainwashed.
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Rhonda Thomas: So it's very important for our parents to understand this is so much deeper than what they're hearing in their corporate world, even though that's hard to deal with I know it is but they can leave there and hopefully shut it out of their minds and keep going forward, where children just really can't do that.
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Jack: No, they're not ready for that.
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Jack: And when you say that it sounds good, right, I can avoid or move past my biases, but at the end of the day, what they'd like you to do and you see this in DEI I like you to say I always think about diversity as a diversity of no objective truth.
14:57
Jack: Right, I mean, at the end of the day, there's no moral values anymore, we're just moral relativists.
15:02
Jack: And so these poor children come in and they are no longer able to discern what's good and what's bad, what's true and what's false, what's beautiful and what's profane, and I become this little body that can just manipulate it then and move around.
15:24
Jack: It will, and it's a scary thing.
15:27
Rhonda Thomas: Well, I attended a two day conference put on by Castle in New York.
15:32
Jack: Oh, wow.
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Rhonda Thomas: And the two.
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Rhonda Thomas: I had to do it online because I didn't have a vaccine passport, but I was part of that conference and it was sponsored by the Fetzer Institute and the Rockefeller Foundation.
15:43
Rhonda Thomas: The title of that conference was there's Spirituality in the Child, at the core of every child spirituality.
15:52
Rhonda Thomas: Now let me tell you what it was.
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Rhonda Thomas: Two days of it was.
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Rhonda Thomas: You have to understand social, emotional world.
15:59
Rhonda Thomas: Learning is a world view.
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Rhonda Thomas: It was two days, so for a Christian, this was bothersome.
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Rhonda Thomas: Two days of Hinduism, Buddhism, the spirit, Gandhi, Buddha.
16:11
Rhonda Thomas: It's the New World interfaith religion and that's what they're bringing into our schools.
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Rhonda Thomas: This is their goal and if, as a Christian, we know it's, it's a battle between good and evil, right.
16:26
Rhonda Thomas: So, four to 14 is the largest age group to accept Christ.
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Rhonda Thomas: Well, here they are in our schools, moving them away from that, trying their best.
16:40
Rhonda Thomas: So the more AI that comes into our schools, the more opportunity they're going to be able to do that, isn't it?
16:47
Jack: interesting, rhonda, that that you know, when we teach our children to pray and talk about aiming ourselves at Christ, and that these programs, they know that we need this, the spirituality in our life, doesn't it?
17:05
Jack: And now they're actually bringing these elements of kind of like a prayer.
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Jack: They don't call it prayer, they'll call it yoga or mind relaxation techniques or whatever, but they know we need this.
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Jack: And if they can keep you to your point of turning yourself outward to what's true, right, which of course we would say Christ, but really what's the transcendental right, what's true, good and beautiful, and when they can just take you and they can keep you in the selfish kind of self-reflection again that you said, can't they?
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Rhonda Thomas: Yes, they can, and you brought up mindfulness, so I know I would imagine for sure in Chicago, as it is everywhere, mindfulness is in our schools and it's usually taught by a yoga teacher.
17:51
Rhonda Thomas: We have meditation rooms in our schools.
17:55
Rhonda Thomas: So part of this conference talked about mindfulness.
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Rhonda Thomas: So, in their view, mindfulness is being used to remove everything that the church and the parent has taught the children, wiping it clean so they can then go in and through SEL.
18:12
Rhonda Thomas: By the way, sel has five tenants self-management, self-awareness, responsible decision-making, social relationships and social awareness and relationship skills.
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Rhonda Thomas: If your listeners will just imagine a puzzle in a circle, puzzle pieces, all those five tenants are in a puzzle and in the center.
18:35
Rhonda Thomas: If they're teaching comprehensive sex ed, that goes in the center of these five tenants.
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Rhonda Thomas: So everything is taught through these five tenants of SEL, which means it's taught through tolerance, emotion, behavior all of this, not through logic or critical thinking.
18:55
Rhonda Thomas: So take DEI, as put in the middle of those five tenants, and it's taught through the lens of SEL.
19:02
Rhonda Thomas: Everything is taught through the lens of SEL and that is why, unless you get rid of social, emotional learning and the only way to do that is to cut off the money, and there I don't see that happening and it's so deep and embedded it would take a while.
19:19
Rhonda Thomas: But unless social emotional learning is dealt with, which is making it possible to destabilize our children's emotions and keep them in confusion and able to teach these different ideologies through that, it's gonna be very difficult to change the schools.
19:39
Jack: When you say, rhonda, that this is in SEL, is in every course, right, basically every all through the curriculum, are you saying that it's actually embedded in the textbooks or does it becomes again this lens that the teacher is using to teach math, say, or science, or history, english, et cetera?
20:02
Rhonda Thomas: It's the lens that they use, and I don't know about Chicago, but we don't have textbooks.
20:07
Rhonda Thomas: Everything is online.
20:09
Jack: That's true.
20:09
Jack: Yeah, it's all Chromebooks.
20:11
Rhonda Thomas: Which is also another reason that we cannot control what our children are learning.
20:18
Rhonda Thomas: Let me give you an example of a live video that was found on Edge Inuity, which is an online platform, and they have a SEL program called Second Steps.
20:30
Rhonda Thomas: This is a video online.
20:32
Rhonda Thomas: It's a gentleman talking to elementary school students who says have you ever known a non-white to pass a law that affects a white?
20:41
Rhonda Thomas: No, so until whites experience slavery, jim Crow, and cannot vote, I do not believe in anti-racism.
20:49
Rhonda Thomas: Now that is elementary students hearing this talk.
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Rhonda Thomas: They don't understand it.
20:54
Rhonda Thomas: It goes over their head.
20:56
Rhonda Thomas: The sad part is this isn't just about whites.
20:59
Rhonda Thomas: This is about black and brown children.
21:01
Rhonda Thomas: This is the Hegelian dialectic where they're going to create friction between us and cause hatred.
21:07
Rhonda Thomas: They're actually teaching these children to hate each other for an outcome, and the outcome is to control.
21:13
Rhonda Thomas: So this is harming everyone.
21:16
Rhonda Thomas: Even though that video was geared toward white children, this is harming everyone.
21:21
Rhonda Thomas: It's teaching black and brown children they cannot succeed unless you hold the other back.
21:27
Rhonda Thomas: This is really harming everyone.
21:30
Rhonda Thomas: So this isn't really about one race or culture.
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Rhonda Thomas: It's about an outcome of being able to create a generation of children that they can control, and they're doing that through SEL, so those live videos can come and go at any time, based at the publisher.
21:48
Rhonda Thomas: So I would tell you that most of the time, a lot of the administration has no clue what our children are being given, and they're able to go outside.
21:58
Rhonda Thomas: When you have an internet, they go outside to more third parties to learn more, and so it's very hard to control what's being taught in the classroom because of the online platforms.
22:12
Jack: Yeah, what percentage now?
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Jack: Would you do you have any idea of our teachers are behind this?
22:18
Jack: I would imagine that the younger they are, probably the more indoctrinated they've been into this, but these teachers colleges have been going on for a long time now, haven't they?
22:29
Jack: I mean, when you start to go backwards and I don't know if we want to go there, like you said, keep it simple and we can go deep, but this has been going on and being taught.
22:39
Jack: I remember my children are closer to 40 than they are 30 now, and that's why I'm in Denver actually, I'm here to defend my seventh grandchild from this craziness, rana, that we're experiencing.
22:52
Jack: But I remember my oldest daughter coming back in the mid 80s from university and spewing some of this out already, and it kind of caught me off guard talking about the Bible as being a false teaching and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and they go down this rabbit hole and I thought, wow, where did she get that from?
23:14
Jack: Well, unfortunately, those teachers of her age are now teaching in the elementary schools, and so they have this in them already.
23:23
Jack: So do we know what the percentage of teachers are that are behind this more than anything else?
23:33
Rhonda Thomas: I really don't.
23:34
Rhonda Thomas: That's a good question.
23:36
Jack: A lot huh.
23:36
Rhonda Thomas: I really looked into that.
23:37
Rhonda Thomas: Actually, I think what we're seeing is a teacher's are retiring early.
23:42
Rhonda Thomas: The teacher can't handle the bad behavior, the bullying and what they're being taught and they're being abused in the classroom.
23:52
Rhonda Thomas: I just had a teacher.
23:53
Rhonda Thomas: Yes, they are I think it's true that yesterday that he was not harassed but harmed by a student and the only thing of course they did to them was keep him out of his room for one day.
24:02
Rhonda Thomas: So I know that the counselors are the heaviest part of all this of SEO.
24:09
Rhonda Thomas: And my friend that's my age went back to get her counseling degree last year.
24:15
Rhonda Thomas: Her very first semester she had to get an attorney because her professor accused her of trying to debunk critical race theory.
24:24
Rhonda Thomas: So she was concerned that they would put her out and she couldn't get her grades to go finish somewhere else.
24:30
Rhonda Thomas: So her last semester was an ongoing debate with the professor about men having babies.
24:35
Rhonda Thomas: So she said Rhonda, they're being taught all this.
24:39
Rhonda Thomas: These counselors are also being taught to hate men.
24:41
Rhonda Thomas: So she said these are the counselors that are going to be coming into our schools.
24:46
Rhonda Thomas: Now we know there's probably a few exceptions, but this is what's expected of them and they believe it.
24:53
Rhonda Thomas: I attended the National School Counseling Association's conference about three months ago.
24:59
Rhonda Thomas: I knew most everything that they were talking about.
25:03
Rhonda Thomas: They were a part of it.
25:04
Rhonda Thomas: It was all social justice.
25:05
Jack: Rhonda, what's the name of that organization that oversees the biggest one that oversees counselors?
25:11
Jack: Is that it?
25:12
Jack: Can you say the name of that again?
25:14
Rhonda Thomas: The National School Counseling Association trains all your counselors, just like they do the Georgia School Counseling Association.
25:22
Rhonda Thomas: So it's all from there.
25:23
Rhonda Thomas: So I walked away with two new things.
25:26
Rhonda Thomas: So our counselors believe they are trained in mental health to be able to work with these children because they're trained in social emotional learning.
25:35
Rhonda Thomas: Social emotional learning mimics mental health and causes mental health issues.
25:41
Rhonda Thomas: The other thing that was stated is, their ethical duty is above the law.
25:47
Rhonda Thomas: They will advocate for their students by all means necessary.
25:52
Rhonda Thomas: Now, how do you even legislate against that kind of evil.
25:56
Rhonda Thomas: The other thing they said was if we cannot talk about it, then we'll just saturate our room in it.
26:02
Rhonda Thomas: And I will tell you it works, because God says bad company corrupts, right.
26:08
Rhonda Thomas: So they were saying we'll just put pride flags on the wall, we'll put a picture of myself and my partner on our desk.
26:15
Rhonda Thomas: That is, that works.
26:17
Rhonda Thomas: We know it works Scripturally.
26:18
Rhonda Thomas: God says that works.
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Rhonda Thomas: So they're not.
26:20
Rhonda Thomas: They're wise in the wrong way.
26:22
Rhonda Thomas: So they have their plans.
26:25
Rhonda Thomas: And the other thing is if we can't use pronouns, we'll use nicknames.
26:29
Rhonda Thomas: So they are spending 24 seven figuring out how they're going to go around all of this, whatever law we pass.
26:38
Rhonda Thomas: And if you think about it, it's not that hard to do.
26:41
Rhonda Thomas: You just change how you do it.
26:44
Rhonda Thomas: And they were stating that they will be a martyr for this.
26:48
Rhonda Thomas: This is how much they believe in it.
26:52
Jack: So we have our hands full, don't we?
26:54
Rhonda Thomas: Yes.
26:55
Jack: Is there a way?
26:56
Jack: And thank you so much for that information.
26:59
Jack: It's there, and I think some of these video clips that we need to get, I have to get that video clip from you and see if it's one of the ones that we have already.
27:07
Jack: We're starting to put those up on our websites, because you almost have to watch some of this stuff to see how nefarious it is.
27:13
Jack: But I just put the one up of Senator John Kennedy reading to our Illinois Secretary of State you know Gender-queer, I think, and all boys aren't blue, and and you just read parts of that.
27:25
Jack: I think it's worth.
27:26
Jack: An image is worth a thousand words.
27:28
Jack: I think that the video that you're alluding to is worth it too, because if it's the same what I'm thinking about, and if it's not, it's, it's gonna be similar that the teachers themselves are saying you know, we need to get to these children when they're early, and now I'm all right and amalueable and and and able to freely form them, and you really see how, how disastrous this is.
27:50
Jack: So, with all of that said, if a parent was going to talk about this at a, say, a school board, and they have three or four minutes, what would be the main points and, and this may be impossible.
28:03
Jack: So if it is, it is and just say it, don't be afraid to say it.
28:07
Jack: But is it impossible for us to just you have three minutes and not unpack all of SEL, but just to hit these major things and say because if it's as embedded in our Schools as you say it is and I know that for a fact, so I'm totally agreeing with that Then the best thing to do, of course, is to pull our kids out of school, the home school them, send them to maybe a Christian school, if you can lucky enough to find even a good Christian school Nowadays.
28:36
Jack: I mean, some of them you have to really check into.
28:38
Jack: But we can't just leave these children in in these public schools without standing up for them, whether our kids are there or not.
28:45
Jack: Rounder, because there are neighbors there, they're, they're going to associate with our children, maybe his friends and, and so we're gonna have to continue to speak the truth, and I know that that's one of the things that you feel called to do, and I certainly do too.
28:58
Jack: You mentioned earlier that you know the church is all of us, and it includes the laity and, and in these kind of issues, it especially, I think, concerns the laity and and educating ourselves and coming up the speed on this.
29:13
Jack: But so I okay, good, thank you.
29:16
Rhonda Thomas: I have a flyer that I will send to you that they can use, and it just has bullet points.
29:22
Rhonda Thomas: One would be that SEL relies on data collection through online platforms.
29:27
Rhonda Thomas: It's relies on psychological evaluations by unqualified counselors and teachers.
29:33
Rhonda Thomas: It has problematic privacy issues.
29:36
Rhonda Thomas: It circumvents parental rights, so it destabilizes students.
29:40
Rhonda Thomas: Emotion Allowing indoctrination.
29:43
Rhonda Thomas: It's a lever for social justice.
29:45
Rhonda Thomas: It promotes activism and division.
29:47
Rhonda Thomas: It's spiritually, mentally and emotionally abusive.
29:50
Rhonda Thomas: I can send this to you if that would be helpful.
29:54
Jack: I think and I I know that I'm gonna show people your website, I'm gonna put your website because I think that, because that's part of a very good piece that I think you recall on Unmasking SEL, right is that?
30:08
Rhonda Thomas: part of that.
30:08
Rhonda Thomas: This is just a flyer and on the back of it.
30:14
Rhonda Thomas: It shows Just some of the funders and partners of castle.
30:20
Jack: Yes, please, and then send that to me.
30:22
Jack: We do, and and, in addition, I'll I'll make sure that we put your website on it, because you, you have an incredible amount of resources, but go ahead and and try to finish that, that, that thought.
30:32
Jack: Is there anything else?
30:33
Jack: So, so, if we picked a few of those bullet points and kind of expounded on those, maybe tried to find some examples right that are going to, you know it's, it's the best way to do.
30:43
Jack: It is to tell stories right, to take some of those bullet points and build a story around there and and try to wake up, because I and I'll tell you why I'm thinking about this I'm thinking about it for myself even more than anything else, but I do teach how to stand up in school board meetings, and, and I was just at a local school board meeting with some of my grandkids go I and it was my first school board meeting there we moved to a different school district and everything was boring, as usual at most school things, talking about this and that and all of a sudden, at the end, they said, okay, well, can you come up and tell us doctor so-and-so and doctor so-and-so they're all doctors of education, right, which I think if you have a PhD in education, I think it means psychological head disorder, right, unfortunately.
31:29
Jack: But they stood up and they talked for 40 minutes about how excited they were about bringing SEL and CASEL into our schools and they were gonna spend $8 million over a few years.
31:40
Jack: I mean, we're not a huge school district.
31:41
Jack: How do you spend $8 million on this stuff?
31:44
Jack: And I looked up at the board, at the school board which would be worked so hard to bring conservative members in and they are, but they're new.
31:53
Jack: Here's my point they're new and they're listening to this.
31:56
Jack: But I looked at their faces, rhonda, and they didn't really understand really SEL, nor did the doctors unfolding this, unfortunately, right, I mean, I listened to them for 40 minutes and I go I wonder if they know what they just said, because they didn't seem like it.
32:12
Jack: They get caught up in their own babble.
32:14
Jack: So I think it's important for us to stand up right and at these school board meetings and go wait a second.
32:21
Jack: You're right.
32:21
Jack: $8 million to put SEL in to do what?
32:25
Jack: To do what?
32:27
Rhonda Thomas: So I I'll give you an example, jack.
32:30
Rhonda Thomas: So one of the view, one of the points is it's a worldview, belief system, changing students beliefs, behaviors and attitudes to align with the Marxist agenda.
32:42
Rhonda Thomas: Well, in one of our high schools and this is a great example in Gwinnett County, the United Nations Association has a conference scheduled with one of our high schools November the 4th to do a climate change conference to create change makers.
33:00
Rhonda Thomas: So that's another thing that SEL does.
33:02
Rhonda Thomas: It creates an activist and that's why we're seeing more and more young people on the street.
33:09
Rhonda Thomas: So they're feeding them these agendas and then they're training them on how to go out and use their voice, and their voice is not the voice we would like for them to have.
33:19
Rhonda Thomas: So that's a good example right there of a Marxist agenda.
33:24
Rhonda Thomas: I can tell you another story of a little girl in one of our counties.
33:28
Rhonda Thomas: So coming up with stories is a fantastic idea to align with these that are local to you.
33:33
Rhonda Thomas: But you know we have restorative justice in our schools, which also works with SEL.
33:39
Rhonda Thomas: That was an Obama policy of stopping the school to jail pipeline, so that's why we have so much bad behavior.
33:48
Rhonda Thomas: There is a book I wanna recommend and you should put on your website.
33:52
Rhonda Thomas: It's called why Meadow Died.
33:55
Rhonda Thomas: Meadow Died in the Parkland Shooting.
33:58
Rhonda Thomas: It's a very small book but you will understand completely every school board member should have this why we are dealing with the behavior issues that we are within our school.
34:08
Rhonda Thomas: There is no control over that, so and they sweep all the bad behavior under the rug.
34:14
Rhonda Thomas: So you can't send them out of your classroom, you can't do anything.
34:18
Rhonda Thomas: They're just there physically assaulting other kids and just disruptive, but in one of our counties.
34:27
Rhonda Thomas: So if you look at this as a world, it undermines the gospel.
34:30
Rhonda Thomas: There was a school resource officer that called me and said there was a six year old in one of their classrooms that was acting out and of course they can't do anything.
34:40
Rhonda Thomas: So the principal told the teacher to just clear the room and let her throw her fit.
34:45
Rhonda Thomas: Well, she did, but he said she totally destroyed that classroom and three times screened out.
34:51
Rhonda Thomas: There is no God.
34:53
Rhonda Thomas: There is no God.
34:54
Rhonda Thomas: Now what?
34:55
Rhonda Thomas: six year old would be doing that.
34:57
Rhonda Thomas: It is quite interesting.
34:59
Rhonda Thomas: I just don't believe people understand the psychological effect this is having on our children.
35:04
Rhonda Thomas: Let me tell you one more thing.
35:06
Rhonda Thomas: I don't know how much time we have, but I sat in on a two day symposium for Christian headmasters from all over the country.
35:13
Rhonda Thomas: It was here in Atlanta at a Christian school, and it was two days of critical race theory, diversity, equity, inclusion, all the books, everything, and they took it in and they wrapped it in scripture.
35:27
Rhonda Thomas: In Atlanta it is very difficult to find a Christian school or a private school that is not a woke public school, because they've all taken this in and I've had two parents recently and Catholic school they have two.
35:41
Rhonda Thomas: So I've had two parents recently call me and just petrified because they've changed out of the public school to go to a Christian school and now they're bringing in SEL and they know the dangers of SEL.
35:54
Rhonda Thomas: And so I said well, you know you're at the beginning of this.
35:57
Rhonda Thomas: You need to get parents together and educate them on what this is and what it does and hopefully keep them from doing that.
36:06
Rhonda Thomas: So what I'm saying is is this is so nefarious and it's in everything, and it's very difficult.
36:13
Rhonda Thomas: There's a lot of grant money out there and I would say that's where a lot of this money is coming into our schools, if you look at the people that have given.
36:21
Rhonda Thomas: This is one of the biggest budget items we have is social emotional learning.
36:25
Rhonda Thomas: So it's very important and so at all points Do you?
36:30
Jack: know around, because this could help us.
36:32
Jack: Do you know, or do we know, where some of that money is coming from, some of the sources of that?
36:37
Jack: Or is that the sky's the one that's coming in?
36:40
Rhonda Thomas: No, on the back of so yeah, I'm gonna send that to you.
36:43
Rhonda Thomas: I've got a big list that circles Castle, and then there's others.
36:48
Rhonda Thomas: But well, I'll tell you this, let me you know that we have in our congressional record the 65 communist goals.
36:56
Rhonda Thomas: It's actually in our congressional record from 1963.
37:00
Rhonda Thomas: So if you think about what's happening in our schools with the pornographic books, the comprehensive sex ed, we've accomplished, by the way, all of these goals but one, and that's the international bank, but 24-.
37:14
Jack: Wait a second.
37:15
Jack: Is that true?
37:16
Jack: The only the internet and the international bank is now right.
37:20
Jack: This is what we're-.
37:22
Rhonda Thomas: The international law so like.
37:23
Rhonda Thomas: If these medical freedom issues or anything, become an international case, then we will have accomplished that they will have.
37:31
Rhonda Thomas: So let me read to you what the four that are three that I pick up on for our schools eliminate all laws.
37:41
Rhonda Thomas: Number 24 is eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them censorship and the violation of free speech.
37:48
Rhonda Thomas: So we know that 43 of our United States K through 12 libraries are exempt from the obscenity law.
37:56
Rhonda Thomas: The books are in our schools legally.
37:58
Rhonda Thomas: Until those laws change, the books are not coming out.
38:02
Rhonda Thomas: We can do all kinds of band-aids and workarounds, but the books won't come out until that law has changed.
38:08
Rhonda Thomas: Number 25 is break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.
38:19
Rhonda Thomas: And then the last is 26, present homosexuality, a degeneracy, and promiscuity as normal, natural and healthy.
38:28
Rhonda Thomas: They've done that.
38:29
Rhonda Thomas: They've done it to children.
38:32
Rhonda Thomas: So that is part of the 45 communist goals.
38:35
Rhonda Thomas: You can find them in our congressional record for 1963.
38:40
Jack: So so I can find a link to that.
38:44
Rhonda Thomas: You can.
38:46
Jack: And what do?
38:46
Jack: What?
38:47
Jack: One more time give me that.
38:48
Jack: Is it 45 or how many?
38:51
Rhonda Thomas: 45?
38:52
Rhonda Thomas: Communist goals.
38:54
Rhonda Thomas: Just pull up the 1963 congressional record and put that with it and you'll find them.
39:00
Rhonda Thomas: So and you'll go through there and you'll go oh my gosh, we've accomplished all of that one and so well.
39:07
Rhonda Thomas: Thank you for that it's a big part of what's happening in our schools.
39:11
Rhonda Thomas: And may I share one thing, and on school choice, yes, please.
39:18
Rhonda Thomas: No, I don't know where people are on it, I'm just gonna share what I know and then I do that because I think we should think of both sides and then make our own decisions.
39:27
Rhonda Thomas: But the school choice is pushed by the UN School choice.
39:32
Rhonda Thomas: The UN says that homeschooling is unsustainable and we know that everything happening within our schools is Coming straight from UNESCO, which is the education arm of the UN.
39:43
Rhonda Thomas: Our first school board protests in the US was when the UNESCO came into our country in 1950 and it was an LA, and At that time the UN told any book publisher that wanted to align with them they had to start eroding our history.
39:59
Rhonda Thomas: So we know the UN is a big part of this.
40:02
Rhonda Thomas: Even the national sexuality standards are not written by Anyone in the US.
40:07
Rhonda Thomas: They're written by international Planned Parenthood, human rights, but yet we've adopted them.
40:13
Rhonda Thomas: So the goal for school choice is To bring all our schools, schooling of any type, under one umbrella and privatize it.
40:24
Rhonda Thomas: Even if we pull it all under one umbrella, the federal money never stops.
40:30
Rhonda Thomas: So what's really going to change?
40:31
Rhonda Thomas: What's going to change is whose?
40:33
Rhonda Thomas: Control of our schools.
40:35
Rhonda Thomas: So one of the largest funders of school choice and charter schools is the Walton Foundation.
40:42
Rhonda Thomas: The Walton Foundation is Big into the LGBTQ movement.
40:48
Rhonda Thomas: They're now into health care and we have all these school health clinics coming in which are going to be profit-based.
40:54
Rhonda Thomas: And what's going to happen if we privatize all of our education?
40:59
Rhonda Thomas: Is Walton going to do what they do with Walmart and come in and under a Mine?
41:05
Rhonda Thomas: Everyone else, and everybody else gets squeezed out.
41:09
Rhonda Thomas: Charter schools are already public, private partnerships.
41:13
Rhonda Thomas: They have their own management organizations.
41:15
Rhonda Thomas: They are for profit.
41:17
Rhonda Thomas: Charter schools have flexibility, which means they can experiment, and what we're seeing is our children are being experimented on.
41:24
Rhonda Thomas: Also, they're offering this to homeschoolers and I believe it's a trap for homeschoolers.
41:29
Rhonda Thomas: They could take homeschooling at any time but there would be a big uproar.
41:33
Rhonda Thomas: But if you take it a bite at a time, no one's going to notice.
41:37
Rhonda Thomas: So Arizona is the big model bill for homeschooling and If you look at that now, homeschoolers don't apply as homeschoolers.
41:47
Rhonda Thomas: They apply as education savings accounts.
41:50
Rhonda Thomas: So now they've blended them right into the public system.
41:53
Rhonda Thomas: They're being collected data on and if those homeschoolers don't teach to the assessment they have to take every year and they don't pass it, that's going to be a dark spot on homeschoolers.
42:04
Rhonda Thomas: So either way, they're not going to come out of this looking good.
42:08
Rhonda Thomas: Also, they use the eye wallet, which Georgia also has, for their marketplace and where they get their funds, and we believe that's going to be where all of their social credit score information would be held.
42:22
Rhonda Thomas: They're medical, their behavior, everything their academic and Because what we're doing through SEL is creating a social credit score on our children all the data that's being collected.
42:35
Rhonda Thomas: In fact, there's something called positive behavior intervention system and they actually in some school systems are using QR code, code barcodes.
42:45
Rhonda Thomas: When a child does something good, they score it.
42:47
Rhonda Thomas: When they don't, they take away from it.
42:49
Rhonda Thomas: So all of this is leading to the other thing we do through SEL and all these surveys is they control the algorithms on the Computers to move the children where they want to go, based on the data that is collected, if they're not going in the direction they want them to go.
43:05
Rhonda Thomas: So this is a big, big picture.
43:08
Rhonda Thomas: But school choice, really it's also a redistribution of wealth.
43:12
Rhonda Thomas: I can't.
43:14
Rhonda Thomas: My property taxes probably wouldn't cover one voucher.
43:16
Rhonda Thomas: So what's going to happen if I have five children?
43:19
Rhonda Thomas: Everyone's going to be paying for this.
43:22
Rhonda Thomas: That's not conservative View.
43:25
Rhonda Thomas: And what's going to happen when somebody might want to start a Christian school, but someone might want to start a Muslim school, somebody might want to start a transgender school.
43:35
Rhonda Thomas: All that money, we're all funding it.
43:36
Rhonda Thomas: So I'm going to be funding things I don't believe in, pretty much like our medical, where we say, as a Christian, I don't want to fund abortion.
43:44
Rhonda Thomas: But we're going to be funding all these things as we move forward and that's what we're seeing happening in Sweden and these other countries that have taken on school choice over the years.
43:54
Rhonda Thomas: So there's a lot to think about.
43:56
Rhonda Thomas: That's why I just wanted to share, so that people can.
43:58
Rhonda Thomas: Yeah, I'm both.
44:00
Jack: Yeah well, I, you didn't leave us too many openings to what to do, though, did you so, so and and so what?
44:08
Jack: What do we do, we?
44:09
Jack: I mean, if we had to attack this thing and look at it?
44:12
Jack: We're going to run out of time here.
44:13
Jack: But the last thoughts.
44:15
Jack: If I'm a parent and I'm thinking, wow, I, you know, I was for school choice.
44:20
Jack: I thought I would take some of my property taxes and apply it to a different school, or I would homeschool them, and now that could even be, if I have to be very careful there.
44:32
Jack: You know, and in Illinois actually, with with homeschooling, we do have some rights here, yet with homeschooling, that, of course, can be changed.
44:39
Jack: I mean, do we have to, just you know.
44:41
Jack: Do we have to just you know change this whole political body?
44:44
Jack: Because at the end of the day, you know a Catholic social teaching, you know we look at like a triangle, almost like a, like a two-dimensional pyramid at the bottom.
44:52
Jack: What's holding this all up?
44:53
Jack: Our merits in the family and and Christ in the church, you know, and, and that's been attacked for so many years now, marriages and the families are unraveling, we, and then we have the.
45:04
Jack: The church has almost lost their voice in so many corners.
45:07
Jack: And so, then again, when we go out into what's called polity, this third, this third necessary society, well, you know, we're a bunch of immoral people, you know relativists, and our politics, our politicians, our economic values, our everything Financially, you know, all becomes a house of cards as it is now.
45:28
Jack: So this is a, this is this is not easy, is it to to face this, you know.
45:33
Jack: This is not sounds like a miracle is needed here.
45:36
Rhonda Thomas: A miracle is needed, and I think some of the things that we as a church have fallen down on is we haven't really ministered to married couples.
45:48
Rhonda Thomas: We haven't know we haven't we haven't promoted how important the family is and how to work on that, and we haven't promoted the things God calls us to as a parent, and that is, we are to teach our children, we are to be in charge of it, and so I think what's difficult too, though, is we now have so many children that are disabled.
46:10
Rhonda Thomas: I am so surprised, and it makes me very sad now, those children.
46:14
Rhonda Thomas: So we have to keep fighting, we have to keep trying to get people into Good school board positions.
46:21
Rhonda Thomas: We have to keep trying to bring attention to these books and change that obscenity law.
46:25
Rhonda Thomas: We can't quit all that, but in the meantime, we need to come together as churches and we need to not take government money, and we need to and that's one of the things that we're trying to do is to go into churches, educate these pastors On this is undermining the gospel.
46:42
Rhonda Thomas: That's the one thing they need to know, and that's the one thing they need to act on and open their doors to home schoolers, to hybrid schools.
46:51
Rhonda Thomas: What start a small christian school?
46:54
Rhonda Thomas: We have to take this back.
46:56
Rhonda Thomas: We have to take it back, and I would.
46:59
Rhonda Thomas: That's my thing is parents.
47:01
Rhonda Thomas: We have to sacrifice.
47:04
Rhonda Thomas: We have to sacrifice if we can.
47:07
Rhonda Thomas: This is the only thing God gives us.
47:10
Rhonda Thomas: This is our only thing.
47:10
Rhonda Thomas: We live behind and it's a hard thing and it's not an easy thing, and we need people my age to come alongside these moms and to mentor them and to be there for them and to encourage them.
47:22
Rhonda Thomas: We need to be the church again.
47:24
Rhonda Thomas: That's what we need to be.
47:26
Rhonda Thomas: We've turned it all over to the government, including our children, and we've got to take that back.
47:35
Jack: Yeah, so it starts.
47:36
Jack: We have a program called LoveVet, and LoveVet is a real simple program that I should share with you sometime, and basically what it is is just helping parents and powers parents to share the truth about our human sexuality and the beauty of God's plan for what it means to be a human and why we're created male and female.
47:58
Jack: But anyways, we don't just do it, we bring the parents and the kids in together and help the parents actually give the talk.
48:05
Jack: You know the talk that we were all supposed to give about the birds and the bees, but we don't do it very well and we don't know how to do it anymore.
48:11
Jack: And, of course, with all these ideologies, Rhonda, it's not so easy to do.
48:16
Jack: So we help with that.
48:17
Jack: And that brings this foundation back to your point.
48:19
Jack: What is marriage and the family?
48:21
Jack: Why is it important?
48:23
Jack: And it takes a lot of work and it's going to take grace, but hey, at the end of the day it all comes back down to the gospel, doesn't it, Rhonda?
48:32
Rhonda Thomas: It comes back to the gospel and it comes back to God.
48:34
Rhonda Thomas: Cause us to occupy until he returns.
48:36
Rhonda Thomas: We're not in control of the outcome, but we're here to be his hands and feet.
48:41
Jack: And yes, thank you.
48:42
Rhonda Thomas: We're the gospel, yes.
48:45
Jack: See, that's what we have to do, right?
48:46
Jack: I mean, at the end of the day we can't accomplish everything, just step on to the stage, do what you can do, pray about it and be that person Right, bring that good into the world.
48:57
Jack: And, like you said, we can't control everything.
49:00
Jack: This just might have to unravel before we can put it all back together again.
49:06
Rhonda Thomas: And there's something everyone can do.
49:08
Rhonda Thomas: We all need prayer.
49:09
Rhonda Thomas: We need to be praying for our children, our family, our leaders, our churches.
49:14
Rhonda Thomas: If we can get actively involved, I encourage people.
49:18
Rhonda Thomas: Know what's happening at your school, know what's happening at the school board.
49:21
Rhonda Thomas: I mean, we didn't even go into furries and anime characters.
49:24
Rhonda Thomas: So there's so much out there and then donate, make donations to organizations that are fighting for your children, because that's so important, and so there's something we can all do and that we feel like we're participating and it's all important.
49:41
Rhonda Thomas: It's all important.
49:43
Jack: So so there's our upbeat message right at the end there, right?
49:46
Jack: Yes, this was always God's.
49:48
Jack: You know, this was always about God and faith, and that's who we are as human beings.
49:52
Jack: So God bless you, rhonda.
49:53
Jack: Thank you so much for your time.
49:54
Jack: We'll make sure we put truth and education in our show notes and you're going to send me a couple of links.
50:01
Jack: We're going to put those into show notes.
50:03
Jack: Anything else we need to get in there, rhonda, to help the, to help people be aware of what you're doing and your work, because I'll tell you what.
50:10
Jack: Your website is really well done and it has a lot of resources there.
50:14
Jack: I'm really going to encourage our audience to check out your website because they can find a lot there.
50:21
Rhonda Thomas: Thank you, and we actually started over, so we've got a lot more to add.
50:25
Rhonda Thomas: So it makes me feel good that you do think we have some good things there.
50:29
Rhonda Thomas: And we do have good things, but not as much as we want.
50:31
Rhonda Thomas: So we're still adding, we're going to be adding a lot of that and we're going to have a Spanish drop down also.
50:40
Jack: So that's awesome.
50:41
Rhonda Thomas: We've been meeting with.
50:42
Rhonda Thomas: They don't know.
50:44
Rhonda Thomas: They don't know.
50:47
Jack: We started to do the same thing.
50:48
Jack: That's so important because we see the schools and the governments really taking advantage of sometimes it's a little bit of a language and it's certainly a cultural barrier and they can really do some damage to those families.
51:01
Jack: We have those beautiful Hispanic families, that families so important to them, and that's being undermined.
51:07
Jack: So, yeah, it's very important, I think, to do that right now.
51:10
Rhonda Thomas: It is Thank you for having me.
51:12
Jack: Thank you so much, rhonda.
51:13
Jack: We went over time, but I really appreciate it.
51:16
Jack: I appreciate your time.
51:17
Jack: And look at this I always love podcasts.
51:21
Jack: It's like a book you can keep on your shelf and when you need this, look at if you're going to stand up for school boards, do your three minutes speech and write to your presentation and say hey, and then go grab that podcast with Rhonda Thomas and show them how to get there, and then we'll teach them the rest, right?
51:38
Rhonda Thomas: Perfect yes.
51:40
Jack: Hey, bless you.
51:40
Jack: Thank you so much.
51:41
Jack: Bye, bye, rhonda, goodbye everyone.
51:43
Jack: Thanks for joining us today.
51:44
Jack: Talk to you again soon.