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Take Me Home, Cunty Roads: The Weird World Of Appalachia · Hocus Pocus Lack Of Focus

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  Hello and welcome to Hocus Pocus Lack of Focus, the very
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  uneducational podcast that fuses neurodiversity, witchcraft,
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  paranormal activities, conspiracy theories, and all
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  kinds of shy talk into one unlistenable ear poop.
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  I'm justy and I'm currently on the toilet.
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  Yes, I've got diarrhea. So this week, I will not be
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  joining our Hostess with the most chest.
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  Well, she prefers things coming in her ass than out of her ass.
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  I'm, I'm sorry. I'm.
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  I'm very ill and this is the best I can do.
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  It's Danny Thomas. She will be joined by a
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  replacement. Justy.
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  I do not know him. I don't know how he's going to
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  be. Hopefully he'll be a lot better
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  than me, but this is what you're getting.
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  I'm sorry, Danny. I am really, really sorry.
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  Welcome to Hovis Tourney. Justine has already done the
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  intro for you because I told him to.
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  I don't know how to do it. He knows a lot more Irish than
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  me. But welcome to hocus pocus like
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  focus. I'm Danny.
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  He's probably already made a joke about my tits in the intro,
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  but I'm joined today by my good friend Justin.
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  A real Justin and not a Justin. Justin's from.
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  Sue Africa. Sue Africa.
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  Sue Africa. So, Justin, tell us a little bit
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  about yourself and why you agreed to stand in and listen to
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  me talk shit about Appalachia today.
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  I mean, the the 1st and most important thing to clarify is
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  that I was paid to be here. These services don't come free.
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  So yeah, just happy to have a discussion.
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  I'm glad that this isn't a topic on alopecia, because that's what
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  I thought you were initially saying to me, and I thought so.
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  Justin came up to the apartment. He lives in the same building as
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  me, and we were all set up. We were like sat on the couch
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  and he was like, OK, so like, this is about the loss of hair,
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  right? And I was like, no.
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  I was, I was really thinking like, how does alopecia tie to
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  your hocus pocus thinking? I mean Jada Pinkett Smith
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  Hollywood, but. That is true, she is Illuminati
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  and balding is probably something like a humiliation
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  ritual. But I'm saying that it's not
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  that I know much more about the Appalachian Mountains either.
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  So I think this is going to be a a discovery session for both me
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  and the listener. So they're very fucking weird.
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  They are the oldest mountain range in the world.
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  They're 480 million years old. How?
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  Do we know that? Science.
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  I mean, I don't personally know that, this is just from what
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  I've read about them. They span from, so I don't know
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  what you know about Pangaea. It was when all continents.
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  Yeah, that was like former. Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, so the Appalachian Mountains run into Scotland,
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  actually. So I'll get into this later on.
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  I do have notes on that. But that's why the Scots are all
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  so fucking weird, because they've got basically a lot of
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  Appalachian Mountains up there. So this episode is going to be
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  basically getting into a few myths, unsolved mysteries,
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  things like that. They're just a generally weird
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  place with a lot of weird stories and kind of like
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  folklore in them. But one fact that I want to like
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  start this off by saying, 'cause it does.
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  It ties into a lot of stories is there are so many people that
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  live in these mountains that are so off the grid that they don't
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  even have like birth certificates.
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  Sounds like Africa. Oh, the dream.
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  The dream to me, honestly. But they're what they call like
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  feral people. So they've never like basically
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  interacted with anyone outside of their community in the
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  mountains. They've never like gone to
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  school. They've never done anything like
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  that. I don't like, I mean, a lot of
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  people talk about it like they're like, have you seen the
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  movie The Descent? Yes, yeah.
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  I fucking love that movie. I don't think it's to that
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  extent, but like a lot of people tend to talk about the feral
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  people that way. I know that there are some, like
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  when I was researching, there's some cases I've come across
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  where feral people have like stolen like farm animals and
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  chickens and things like that and like which, yeah, whatever,
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  you can't really blame them. But it goes from that to like
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  basically them being like non verbal animals that like attack
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  people in the mountains. And I don't know how wrong turn
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  Elijah Dushku early 2000s horror movie.
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  It really is. But you know, we'll, we'll get
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  into that. So first, the thing that I want
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  to talk about is actually like a scientific phenomenon called
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  thin places. What are thin places, Danny?
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  So these exist all over the world.
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  So let me tell you a bit about the story 1st and then I can get
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  into what thin places are. So on June 14th, 1969, six year
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  old Dennis Martin was playing hide and seek with his family in
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  the Great Smoky Mountains. Which is a stupid.
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  Fucking thing. Anyway, if I had kids in the
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  Smoky Mountains, I'd be like, no, you're never leaving the
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  house. By the end of that day, he had
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  vanished without a trace and sparked the biggest search
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  operation in National Park Service history.
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  And still to this very day, Dennis Martin's disappearance
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  was just the beginning of a much stranger story.
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  So yeah, this, I went into a whole fucking rabbit hole on
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  this. So Dennis Martin was five day,
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  five days away from his 7th birthday when his family took
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  him on the first overnight camping trip in the Smoky
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  Mountains. By the way, this is the
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  geographical location of the Smoky Mountains.
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  It's like a 200 acre Meadow sitting nearly like 5000 feet
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  above sea level on the Tennessee, North Carolina
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  border. And I don't know if you've been
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  to North Carolina, it's. Actually not.
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  Not ever. No.
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  So side note then, driving anywhere between Tennessee and
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  North Carolina is notoriously like really difficult and people
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  have to like pull off road to like throw up and stuff.
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  It's like just a really weird Rd.
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  Yeah, So I don't know. So he was with his father
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  William, his nine year old brother Douglas, and his
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  grandfather Clyde. They had hiked 10 miles the day
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  before from Katie's Cove, camping overnight at Russell
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  Field before making a final push to Spencer Field that morning.
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  When they arrived at the Meadow, they found another family
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  already there, Doctor Carter Martin's family from Alabama.
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  No relation at all. They just ran into those guys.
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  So at 4:30 in the afternoon, the kids came up with an idea for a
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  game. These are not experts in the
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  development of games, and their design, quite frankly, was poor.
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  But they were going to sneak around and surprise the adults.
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  They decided that Douglas and the other children would
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  approach from One Direction, while Dennis would circle around
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  from the other side and jump out and scare them.
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  Not really anything like super smart kind of dumb.
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  No, it seems like a recipe for disaster.
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  Yeah, so Dennis is wearing a bright red shirt that would
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  totally have given him away. So the older kids told him that
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  he'd have to go alone and circle around the far side of the field
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  where the thick bushes would hide his extremely red shirt.
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  William Martin watched his son walk toward the tree.
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  The tree line and the red shirt made Dennis easy to track, so he
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  didn't really think too much of it.
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  He was like well like this is a fucking like London phone box
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  walking away from me. It's OK, he's perfectly safe.
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  So after about 5 minutes, Douglas and the other kids
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  executed their prank perfectly, jumping out and surprising the
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  adults with shows and laughter. Everybody played along, acting
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  startled and scolding. The children were smiled on
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  their faces. Yeah, basically.
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  Dennis never showed back up, though.
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  His father, William, looked toward where he had last seen
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  him. His red shirt.
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  He called his name, no answer. Called again, louder, then
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  started to worry and kept on calling, but still nothing.
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  The thing was, Dennis was a really obedient kid who had
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  always come when he was called. He was like never like, wasn't a
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  bad kid, never misbehaved, wasn't the type to wander off
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  and hide, especially when he heard concern in the voice of
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  his father. So William started to search the
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  area and the trees, and his grandfather searched the
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  opposite direction. Both the families spread across
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  the Meadow, calling Dennis's name, trying to find him by 6:00
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  PM the same day at daylight. But as daylight started to fade,
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  sorry, as the temperature started dropping, they all knew
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  something was terribly wrong. So this is where the story gets
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  really weird. So a lot of people, I'm sure,
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  have heard of like, the missing persons case in Appalachia.
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  It's one of the most, like, famous missing person cases of
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  all time. It's just a kid who was there
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  one minute and then disappeared the next, like into thin air. 7
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  miles southwest of Spencefield, near a place called Sea Branch,
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  a man named Harold Key was having a picnic with his family.
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  At some point between 6:00 and 6:45, a couple of hours after
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  Dennis had disappeared, Harold heard something that haunted
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  him, and has haunted him for the rest of his life.
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  It was a scream that Harold later described as enormous and
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  sickening and fundamentally wrong.
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  It wasn't the cry of an animal or anything he'd heard in his
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  decades of men living. It wasn't a human in distress.
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  It was something else entirely. The scream caused Harold and his
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  family to look up from their meal and scan the tree line, and
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  within minutes of that otherworldly scream, they saw
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  something. A man emerged from the woods,
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  moving faster the undergrowth brush, but it wasn't a hiker or
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  anything unusual. This man moved like he was being
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  pursued, or like he was pursuing something.
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  His appearance was disturbing to them.
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  He was unkempt. He had hair past his shoulders,
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  torn and dirty clothes, and it looked like he'd been living
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  rough in the mountains for months.
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  He, he's kind of like the Wildman in, you know, in Red
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  Dead, too. I.
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  Mean it's also sounding like Jumanji here.
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  Oh yeah, Alan, But did you, did you play Red Dead?
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  You know, there's like the the mountain man, like attacks,
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  attacks him and he's like completely naked and he's feral.
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  Yeah, I mean, but also half the the the characters you would
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  hear in the mountains of like Alabama, I think.
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  Could you imagine if like, you had like, a naked like, what
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  would you do if you had a naked Robin Williams just chasing you?
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  I think I'd run towards him. I mean, I don't know if you can
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  I, I think you know, I am, I am 6 foot 5.
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  So I think I would try and use my size against his nakedness,
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  but I don't know if that would be a recipe for further
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  disaster, but it would. I don't know like.
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  If it's, I mean also it's a penis, who's who's going to be
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  scared by a penis? But if it's a feral man like he
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  could probably climb you like a tree.
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  I, I will, you know, again, I'm from Africa.
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  These are, these are not unique situations that I've never
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  experienced before. So.
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  It just. Reminds me of like with the
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  naked Robin Williams, a naked trader ingot Smith though if
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  this was the alopecia conversation.
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  That's. Terrifying.
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  I think I'm fine. I'm out.
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  I'm just laying down and I'm letting nature take me.
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  At that point I'm just. Like exactly.
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  But yeah, like, so like in obviously like you're from
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  Africa. Do you have like weird nightlife
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  in Africa? Like, I mean, I don't know if
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  you're talking about like the party nightlife.
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  What do you mean like? No, I mean like if if you go
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  camping or if you do whatever, like animals and stuff like
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  that. Oh, yeah.
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  I mean, we, we have, I mean, it's one of the beautiful things
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  about Africa is that you have so much nature, like flora, fauna,
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  and then the wildlife's just insane.
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  I mean, I've gone camping and I've had a small pack of boars
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  come through and like those, they will kill you.
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  They're not friendly Pumbas as The Lion King presents.
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  Like they will absolutely mold you to pieces.
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  So definitely, definitely been out camping a couple of times
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  and have had to be careful and like, you wake up in the morning
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  and there's been, you know, elephants through your campsites
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  without you even knowing. So yeah, it's all over the
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  place. I see like loads of the videos
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  and stuff like people have posted and it's just like
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  monkeys and stuff that are so used to like.
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  Yeah, they'll open your they're not afraid.
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  No, they, they, they, they know exactly how they fit in the
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  ecosystem of like modernity and civilization.
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  Like they're, they're used to us because we're we're so I think
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  we're so present in the environment.
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  Like, you know, you're talking about these areas, these thin
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  layers, thin spaces that are desolate, that haven't been
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  touched by the modern man. And like, you know, I, I, I,
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  when I, when I think about things about, I think like to
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  the Amazonian jungles where there we know that there are
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  tribes that have never seen other races, other persons, and
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  they're very insular. But I think in Africa, like we,
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  we very much be get ourselves out there, you know, we get into
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  nature. So not a lot of remote desolates
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  spaces that haven't been exposed to us.
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  So you're like, are you where you're from?
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  Like are you particularly like near a kind of like woodsy area?
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  Are you more city kind of area? Where where I grew up was
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  Johannesburg, which is like, you know, it's the Dublin, it's the
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  London, it's the New York. But then I've, you know, over
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  the 2726 years I lived there, I've, I've ventured into more
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  natural, less built up, less gentrified areas where you do
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  have a bit more nature sticking through the concrete.
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  And so like do you, do you prefer that?
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  Like, yeah. I hate the city.
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  I am, I I'm like, I'm already starting to see how cheap a
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  ticket to the Appalachian mountain range would because
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  yeah, I mean, I would be that wild naked man that's the like
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  I'd be the one running at if you're.
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  If you're 65, I don't think you have much to worry about.
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  Like, I think you'd be pretty safe.
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  Being I'd be OK, yeah, I think you'd be OK, yeah.
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  But I'm like, my thing is like I I would love that.
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  Like my whole like imaginary retirement plan is like a little
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  tiny cottage in the middle of the woods somewhere where like
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  people only approached me to buy my potions which.
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  You buy? Yeah, which you buy.
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  And like me and my like my pets or whatever.
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  I want to have like a bunch of animals like but also I feel
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  like if I was like living in the Appalachian Mountains, my Snow
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  White autism would kick in and I'd be like all animals your
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  friends and I'd just get mauled to death by a fucking.
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  Actually, they're not like that. I think that's the hard thing to
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  realize. Like animals aren't your friend
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  all the time. They're not and they they see
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  you as a threat because we are, because we notoriously are.
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  And and that's like that's are you OK?
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  That's fine. But like, yeah, that's kind of
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  where my head would go. And like you, I, I think people
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  have this like little vision in their head, like living off the
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  land and it's like perfect and sunshiny and whatever.
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  It's really fucking difficult to live off the land because you
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  have to know what you can and can't grow and which season you
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  have. You have to hunt game.
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  Like you can't just live off it. Like you have to hunt game.
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  Yeah, I mean, there was that that movie with Emile Hirsch
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  Into the Wild. Yes.
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  Where where, you know, he he played Alexander Supertramp and
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  he went off, lived off grid, was living in a like a brass in the
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  middle of the woods and died because he'd eaten berries that
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  completely ruined his system and then couldn't get nutrition.
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  Winter came snowed out like. And he like that.
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  So that that is a true story of this guy.
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  He, like, went up to Alaska and I can't remember what.
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  He left a note at the end. And it was basically, it was
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  actually in real life. It was something really deep
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  about like, you need other people around.
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  It's the long and short of it. But like, yeah, he just very
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  much was like, so sick with the people.
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  He'd had, like, like a bit of a mental breakdown in college.
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  Don't be all just decided he wanted to go off the grid.
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  He didn't want to deal with anybody.
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  And yeah, it just didn't have. I mean, I think that there are
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  people like what I'm talking about, like fucking Marines,
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  like Army people who could probably easily go off and and
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  and live that life and be absolutely fine and like not
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  have an issue like be able to build a shelter, like procure
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  their own food, do whatever they need to do and like live in the
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  mountains. So my brother, his wife, one of
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  her uncles is like AI guess I quote UN quote like mountain
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  man. So he's completely off the grid.
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  He doesn't deal with anything, doesn't go into like the city,
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  the towns, nothing if he can absolutely help it.
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  Grows all his own food. He hunts.
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  He's actually a really good hunter.
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  Like I think he's like before he moved out into the wilderness,
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  like won awards and stuff. Like it was just a weird thing.
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  They give you awards like prize books over there or whatever.
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  And he's just like let all his like his hair grow out.
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  He's like fucking big, like scary man and stuff.
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  Oh, the dream. Is the dream.
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  I was like, I would love that. Like I would love that.
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  Yeah, I mean you, you also, I mean you have like the, I think
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  very like popular in the States. You have like the doomsday
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  prepper, like preparation guys who have their bunkers and
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  they've got. Bunkers.
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  Everywhere, yeah. They're like they're they're
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  ready. If, if, if nukes go off and we
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  lose energy supply like they're breaking Frontiers, and then,
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  you know, most of us. If I, if I lose Wi-Fi for half a
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  day, I don't know what to do with myself.
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  I'm fucked. I can't.
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  I can't function. I I think right, I always think
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  I'd be fine because I can just leave my phone on the side for
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  hours and like not, not think of it, but everything that I do
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  that's not on my phone, it's still the Internet.
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  I. Still need the Internet?
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  We're still, we're so reliant on it.
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  Like I can't just like I'm not going to go somewhere and like.
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  Paint. Or like write poetry by capital.
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  Like and I'm. Just like I'm not going to do
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  that. But it's like we are.
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  I think we've kind of lost. I think even if someone were to
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  go into the wilderness and try to do that whatever and be so
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  convinced that it's what they wanted to do and be convinced
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  they have the skill set, I think they're they would just go into
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  shock because it's like you're so used to having so even just
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  Google for a simple question. Yeah, Reddit, let me be a naked
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  mountain man with Reddit and Reddit.
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  You know, just where I can keep you up to date with current
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  affairs and know what the price of eggs is like.
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  But. Exactly that.
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  Like there's like I've had issues that I've like I've
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  needed an answer to. I don't know anyone who can
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  answer, but someone six years ago on a Reddit thread has the
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  answer to my question chat. GPT is most rebuilt Reddit post.
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  We're all just on that's. All it is like literally, I try
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  not to use ChatGPT. I've, I've kind of graduated to
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  to Gemini, which is the same thing.
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  But yeah, it's it is just like it's it's OK, where let's get
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  back to this naked mad in Red dead.
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  So over the man's shoulder, Harold and his family said they
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  saw what looked like like a cloth, like a like a red.
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  A bright red cloth is all they saw.
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  And then the strange man immediately changed course and
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  plunged deeper into the forest when he realized that this
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  family had spotted him. Howard carefully noted the time
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  was between 6645 June 14th, 1969.
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  So Dennis Martin disappearing at 4:30 PM from Spencefield and
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  then two hours later was 7 miles away.
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  Could a six year old cover 7 miles by himself?
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  I don't think so. I mean, what, like that's three
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  miles an hour? Yeah, in into, I don't think so.
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  I mean, you don't think panic, panic and fear sets in.
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  You're lost. You don't know where you're
• 22:49
  going. But like also, could something
• 22:52
  have carried? Him.
• 22:54
  That length of time maybe, maybe I don't know.
• 22:57
  I mean, this is that sounds like the foreshadowing of the man
• 23:01
  with a red cloth. It seems more likely than a six
• 23:06
  year old boy making 7 miles of progress over the Appalachian
• 23:12
  Mountains by himself. I mean, I don't want to, I don't
• 23:16
  want to do any spoilers here, but do we know if these remote,
• 23:23
  desolate tribes of feral people were cannibalistic whatsoever?
• 23:29
  It's still unsolved, so you're not doing any spoilers at all.
• 23:32
  Finally, still haven't found the boy and they will get into
• 23:37
  another story that I haven't actually written in the notes to
• 23:39
  cover. But I did a lot of research on
• 23:42
  this because the Appalachian Mountains are so interesting to
• 23:45
  me and I will cover that for this.
• 23:48
  But basically, so Clyde Martin, the grandfather, hiked 9 miles
• 23:55
  down the mountain to report Dennis missing.
• 23:57
  So this was the 60s. You didn't, you couldn't call
• 23:59
  anybody. You didn't have whatever like he
• 24:01
  had to. Fucking.
• 24:03
  No, you're straight, you're down the mountain 9 miles, which is
• 24:07
  if he hiked that to walk that, that's like. 11 minutes 11.
• 24:16
  Minutes to 9 miles. What about climbing wrong?
• 24:20
  It's a couple of hours at least. Right behind him was a massive
• 24:25
  storm. This is like basically.
• 24:31
  Well, by the time Clyde had reached the Ranger station, it
• 24:34
  was raining heavily. 2 1/2 inches in three hours.
• 24:37
  And that would wash away any trail that Dennis might have
• 24:40
  left. Little boy.
• 24:43
  So following the incident there was an unprecedented search over
• 24:47
  1400 volunteers. They were 56 square miles the
• 24:51
  Smoky Mountains looking for demos.
• 24:54
  This lasted for 16 days. There were FBI agents that
• 24:57
  opened case files, Green Berets fresh from Vietnam that had
• 25:02
  joined the hunt. The operation became so large
• 25:05
  that it started actually destroying evidence from.
• 25:10
  Sure. Whether like the trampling and
• 25:11
  whatnot? Yeah.
• 25:12
  Yeah, and there were so many people trying to find Dennis
• 25:15
  that like they were kind of basically like undoing their
• 25:21
  good. Three days after Dennis
• 25:24
  disappeared, searchers found something that changed
• 25:26
  everything. They found child sized
• 25:30
  footprints in the mode near Eagle Creek, several miles from
• 25:34
  Spencefield. The tracks told a bit more of a
• 25:38
  disturbing story as well. One foot was barefoot and the
• 25:42
  other showed the pattern of a boy's Oxford shoe in a size 2
• 25:48
  1/2, which was exactly what Dennis had been wearing.
• 25:51
  And the Prince LED towards water and then simply stopped.
• 25:55
  So park officials immediately dismissed the evidence for some
• 25:59
  fucking reason. They said that the footprints
• 26:01
  must have belonged to a Boy Scout that was in the search
• 26:04
  party because they were too far from Dennis's last known
• 26:08
  location and they were made by someone much older than six,
• 26:13
  which I I don't know how. You, I mean, yeah, I don't know
• 26:18
  what age you wear a size 2 1/2. I mean, that's 2 1/2.
• 26:25
  American size, So I don't know what that is, European size or?
• 26:29
  Small, tiny, you know. Yeah, bitsy feet.
• 26:33
  But it's also just like, it seems kind of absurd to be like,
• 26:38
  no, that's not dismissing child at all.
• 26:39
  Like Boy Scouts go hiking with one shoe on all the time.
• 26:43
  Yeah, part of this survival training, like hypothermia
• 26:46
  exposure. It's like, legit.
• 26:49
  So retired park Ranger Dwight Mccarthur studied these
• 26:53
  footprints for decades. He said that the tracks weren't
• 26:56
  part of a group pattern. They led away from the search
• 26:59
  area and not toward it, and they showed purpose and direction,
• 27:03
  not the random wandering of a lost child.
• 27:06
  Also, none of the children who were searching had been
• 27:09
  barefoot, so a huge plot hole in the weird excuse for that.
• 27:13
  The official search continued for two months before ending in
• 27:18
  utter failure. Dennis Martin was never found.
• 27:21
  There was no trace of his clothing ever discovered, no
• 27:25
  remains ever discovered. He simply ceased to exist at
• 27:29
  4:30 PM on June 14th, 1969, which is completely mind
• 27:35
  boggling and it's stillwell covered and nothing has happened
• 27:42
  at all multiple times outside of like.
• 27:46
  I mean nothing has happened to like solve it, but the same kind
• 27:51
  of thing has happened multiple times outside of this story
• 27:56
  like. In in the in the allocation,
• 27:59
  yeah. All the time.
• 28:03
  So the most curious part of all this, and this is where I get
• 28:05
  into like the the fun little scientific part of the actual
• 28:10
  Appalachians, it's basically his disappearance isn't necessarily
• 28:19
  unique. The Appalachian Mountains
• 28:22
  generate more unexplained phenomena per square mile than
• 28:26
  anywhere else in North America. If you read any forums at all
• 28:34
  and you search like Appalachia scared Appalachia skinwalker,
• 28:40
  you're a Reddit user, you like, they're all very, very popular.
• 28:43
  You're going to find a lot of insane stories.
• 28:47
  So national parks across the US and seemingly more so in remote
• 28:52
  locations in Appalachia, children, people, animals vanish
• 28:57
  in areas where they just shouldn't be able to disappear.
• 29:02
  So search dogs even lose trails at strange points, and
• 29:08
  experienced hikers are found in impossible locations dead.
• 29:13
  There's something different about Appalachia.
• 29:15
  Obviously. That's what we're talking about
• 29:17
  in today's episode. So you definitely heard that.
• 29:20
  It's like, it's fucked up. Everybody knows it's fucked up.
• 29:23
  If you say the Appalachia mountains, you know that you're
• 29:27
  not like, it's not just like basically like, oh, we're
• 29:30
  talking with the Alps. Oh, there's a bunch of gay
• 29:32
  skiers. Like you don't.
• 29:33
  It's not something everybody associates the Appalachian
• 29:37
  Mountains with, something bad and weird and creepy.
• 29:39
  Yeah, like it comes. It comes with the territory of
• 29:41
  it, I guess. Yeah.
• 29:43
  So there's like, there's a bunch of like things that's like, oh,
• 29:47
  if you live in the Appalachian Mountains, you hear a whistle.
• 29:50
  You absolutely didn't fucking hear a whistle.
• 29:52
  Or you always have to have your curtains closed all the time if
• 29:56
  you hear it. Like you just a lot of like
• 29:58
  things, but what makes them so different?
• 30:01
  Like why do people like disappear?
• 30:03
  Like why are there fucking like loads of weird shit like
• 30:09
  specifically in the Appalachian mountain ranges as opposed to
• 30:12
  like national parks that are maybe 10 times the size of the
• 30:17
  parks in Appalachia. It potentially lies in something
• 30:21
  called thin places, which are areas that are the.
• 30:27
  So the normal rules of reality kind of seem to break down in
• 30:30
  these areas. The theory has existed for
• 30:32
  thousands of years. Researcher David Pilates has
• 30:37
  spent years documenting what he calls missing 411 cases, which
• 30:43
  are disappearances that follow unnerving patterns.
• 30:47
  And the Appalachian Mountains, these patterns are everywhere.
• 30:50
  So children and adults vanish from areas where they shouldn't
• 30:55
  be able to disappear. Search dog loose trails,
• 30:58
  specific geographical points. This happens over and over,
• 31:02
  especially when like they're sending out search parties.
• 31:07
  Experienced hikers are found in locations that should be
• 31:09
  impossible to reach given their physical condition.
• 31:11
  All of these things, some have gone over already are things
• 31:16
  that are consistent in these cases and these cases are
• 31:19
  consistent in that should be what's strange like I, I can't
• 31:24
  where did I go with these notes? So a bit of exposition in regard
• 31:28
  to this. The Appalachian Mountains, if
• 31:31
  you don't know, are 480 million years old.
• 31:34
  They've been through 4 separate mountain building events that
• 31:38
  geologists called Orogenes, the Grenville, Taconic, Acadian, and
• 31:46
  Albany. All already cool names.
• 31:51
  All of this. You can't.
• 31:52
  Play any of those. All of this geological violence
• 31:58
  basically created an electromagnetic configuration
• 32:02
  that exists nowhere else on Earth.
• 32:05
  So Doctor Michael Persinger, He has proved that electromagnetic
• 32:12
  fields can alter human consciousness and scientifically
• 32:17
  measurable ways. Using his God Helmet device, a
• 32:22
  device that generates weak magnetic fields barely stronger
• 32:26
  than a hair dryer, can induce supernatural experiences In some
• 32:31
  of his test subjects, people reported sensing A presence,
• 32:35
  missing time, out of body experiences, and encounters with
• 32:40
  spiritual The same electromagnetic patterns that he
• 32:48
  created for his studies and science stuff also occurs
• 32:51
  naturally in the Appalachian Mountains, which is really
• 32:54
  fucking interesting. Oh wow, yeah.
• 32:56
  There's something called the Brunswick Magnetic Anomaly that
• 33:00
  stretches from South Carolina to Pennsylvania.
• 33:03
  So that's like about well, the whole trail like the, the, the
• 33:09
  actual laid out popular trail is 3000 miles, which is it's long.
• 33:13
  That's long, yeah. These areas fit into that
• 33:19
  anomaly. They compasses spin like fucking
• 33:23
  crazy and electronic equipment fails without any explanation.
• 33:26
  And this is very, very real. So Doctor Karen Fisher at Brown
• 33:29
  University found that the lithosphere, the Earth's
• 33:34
  protective electromagnetic barrier, is also abnormally thin
• 33:39
  in this mountain range as well. So the region is also loaded
• 33:43
  with quartz deposits. So if you guys don't know what
• 33:49
  quartz is, it's like you can get them like in fucking crystal
• 33:52
  shops, you know? Oh, roof quartz to attract major
• 33:55
  love. And like all this shit, it's
• 33:56
  like shiny rock basically. And when tectonic pressure hits
• 34:03
  the quartz, it generates some fucking word feels.
• 34:10
  Come on, you've got to try the word.
• 34:14
  Piezoelectric piezoelectric P i.e.
• 34:18
  ZO electric piezoelectric fields.
• 34:25
  So this creates localized zones where the normal rules of space
• 34:29
  and time quite literally breakdown.
• 34:35
  When tectonic plates shift, they can generate geomagnetic
• 34:39
  anomalies that trigger activity in the temporal lobe of the
• 34:43
  human brain. So that's the same region
• 34:45
  associated with mistial experiences, missing time, and
• 34:49
  altered perception. In lab conditions, temporal lobe
• 34:53
  stimulation produces hallucinations, spiritual
• 34:56
  encounters and memory gaps that mirror what missing survivors in
• 35:03
  the Appalachian Mountains report.
• 35:05
  That basically, they lose all sense of time.
• 35:08
  They've seen things, all this shit.
• 35:10
  So basically. And so it's not really like a
• 35:14
  supernatural encounter because we've explained away the cause
• 35:20
  being this magnetic disruption. You know, it's like where birds
• 35:23
  lose the ability to navigate through magnetic.
• 35:28
  GPS. Does yeah.
• 35:29
  You know, like I'm getting Bermuda Triangle vibes from
• 35:32
  this. Yeah, but that is another
• 35:38
  another thing that so that the Bermuda Triangle is classed as
• 35:42
  one of those thin places where time, just regular physics just
• 35:50
  don't seem to work and we can't really explain why.
• 35:55
  It's not always like a a supernatural thing.
• 35:58
  I mean, it can definitely point you towards supernatural
• 36:02
  experiences, but it's not necessarily, oh, demons live in
• 36:06
  the mountains and they're they're pulling us into
• 36:09
  underground journey. Mean so it is it's it's kind of
• 36:14
  like, and I guess they're like the mountains are so old.
• 36:20
  But there's also, I think like there would be a lot more of
• 36:24
  those kinds of places in the world, but we've moved into so
• 36:28
  many of them and built and destroyed so many, like
• 36:32
  mountains and things like that, that, yeah, we've probably
• 36:36
  altered that in some case. But again, Appalachia very much
• 36:40
  untouched. Like the majority of those,
• 36:43
  those mountains are untouched. So it would make sense that it's
• 36:46
  like these things have been disrupted, disrupted, sorry, for
• 36:50
  like millions of years. Yeah.
• 36:52
  I mean, it's like the the abnormal natural phenomenon
• 36:59
  there is existing in a world of its own.
• 37:04
  You know, I'm almost picturing like a barrier.
• 37:06
  Very, very Silent Hill vibes here.
• 37:08
  You're walking through and you know, you're it's it's, you
• 37:13
  know, almost extraterrestrial on on on our own back, back door
• 37:20
  here. But interesting.
• 37:22
  I mean, it's, I think, you know, so, so often we try and reduce
• 37:33
  that which we don't understand that, you know, quite typically
• 37:38
  and ordinarily falls into that that broader spectrum of like a
• 37:41
  cult and supernatural. And there's so often such a
• 37:45
  quick dive to like what the scientific answer is.
• 37:49
  But even, you know, even when you do present the scientific
• 37:55
  justification like, OK, there's there's a magnetic field that
• 38:01
  exists here and the piezoelectric, you know,
• 38:10
  interruption, but there's still clearly such very strong
• 38:17
  supernatural and unobservable, but very much felt and
• 38:23
  experienced things that seems to happen in this mountain range.
• 38:27
  Yeah. Might, might, might not.
• 38:29
  Go visit there, you know. But it's like, so even me, who
• 38:36
  I, I practice witchcraft and things like that, I am still
• 38:40
  very much mundane over magic. I am not the type that thinks
• 38:46
  like, so there is like Wiccans and and things like that.
• 38:49
  They, it's a completely different thing.
• 38:51
  They're the ones who believe in like, you know, the threefold
• 38:54
  rule. If you, you know, if you do a
• 38:56
  curse, it's going to come back on you threefold.
• 38:58
  Everything's love and light, blah, blah, blah.
• 39:00
  Everything's a sign. Not everything's a fucking sign.
• 39:03
  Sometimes. You just bought a shitty candle
• 39:06
  and it's, it's burning and sputtering and it's shit.
• 39:10
  It's it's not there's. No difference in your fucking.
• 39:13
  Room with you. Yeah.
• 39:14
  Like, I don't I don't believe in a lot of that shit.
• 39:17
  Like now I've have I had experiences that I can't
• 39:21
  explain. Yeah, sure.
• 39:22
  Am I recently off my meds? Yeah.
• 39:25
  It's it's, it's probably something to do with that.
• 39:28
  It's. Correlation, yeah.
• 39:29
  There, there's something to everything.
• 39:31
  There's an explanation to everything.
• 39:33
  I've had maybe some things that, yeah, I absolutely can't
• 39:35
  explain, but that's none of my business.
• 39:38
  That's how I kind of read this thing.
• 39:41
  But it's like if when you take the Appalachian Mountains,
• 39:44
  that's if you live up there. That's all these people have
• 39:48
  known. That's that's you.
• 39:50
  Know what I mean? That electromagnetic field,
• 39:52
  like, whatever, That's all they've known.
• 39:54
  Yeah. So these whole stories of voices
• 39:57
  of like skinwalkers, wendigos, like, oh, if you hear this, know
• 40:01
  what the fuck you didn't, you better go like it's, it's
• 40:06
  probably completely fucking normal to them.
• 40:09
  Yeah, because that's literally. Yeah, that's, that's the world
• 40:14
  that they've that's inside their barrier.
• 40:17
  Yeah, and then you, you got to look at like people are like so
• 40:19
  scared of like feral people and stuff.
• 40:21
  And it's like, so I'll, I'll go back now to, to this story.
• 40:25
  So there was another story that I've come across while I was
• 40:28
  researching all of this. And there was a family.
• 40:33
  It was the grandson that was writing this story.
• 40:35
  So this has happened when he was very, very young, but they live,
• 40:39
  they had a farm in the Appalachian Mountains.
• 40:42
  Not like super deep into them, but they were so high up like
• 40:46
  they were, they'd still go to the nearest towns and things and
• 40:49
  whatever. And they had like a chicken
• 40:53
  House of about like 30-40 chickens.
• 40:57
  And I think they were missing about like 8 of them over the
• 41:01
  course of like 2 weeks. They would just disappear.
• 41:04
  And if they had like obviously coyotes and things like that up
• 41:07
  in the mountains, but it, it wasn't coyotes, they, they knew
• 41:11
  that. And then they were all like the
• 41:13
  granddad, like stayed up one night.
• 41:15
  He was like, no, I'm going to fucking figure out what the fuck
• 41:17
  is like happening with my chickens.
• 41:18
  He stayed up one night. He heard like screaming, like
• 41:21
  the chickens going crazy. And he like, ran into the garden
• 41:26
  and there was just this like, naked man, like, basically like
• 41:33
  scratching at the chickens, like trying to take the chickens.
• 41:37
  And the grandfather called his son, which would have been the
• 41:42
  poster's father, and shot the dude, like injured him, didn't
• 41:49
  kill him, but the dude was able to, like, run, like completely
• 41:53
  bailed off. And the dad apparently was like,
• 41:59
  I'll call the police. He was like, no, fuck this.
• 42:01
  Like, I'm going after the guy. We're going after the guy.
• 42:03
  We're going to go fucking see like what he's doing.
• 42:06
  So they, they tailed him. I think about like 9 miles into
• 42:10
  the like the dude was away from home.
• 42:13
  Yeah, he's, he's sprinting, Yeah.
• 42:15
  On foot as well so it's 9 miles. So they tailed him all the way
• 42:19
  there into this cave system, which it gets pretty decent at
• 42:26
  this point. Yeah, I, I think at that moment
• 42:29
  I say cool, we'll I'll donate for each week I'm not.
• 42:34
  Going in a. System with feral people.
• 42:38
  Yeah, you're good. So basically he and him and the
• 42:42
  son, so that the dad of the poster, they kind of like waded
• 42:46
  up inside in the bushes. And then the the dad was right
• 42:49
  and was just like, look, we're going to we're we're going to go
• 42:52
  and we're going to like we're going to call authorities or,
• 42:55
  or, or you know what I mean? We're going to do whatever we
• 42:57
  need to do, but like we're not going into that fucking cave.
• 43:02
  And the grandfather is just like not fuck that.
• 43:05
  Like I'm, I'm going into that fucking cave and I'm going to
• 43:07
  see what the fuck is happening. So he was like, you wait here in
• 43:12
  case someone else like fucking rolls up.
• 43:15
  I'm going to go in and I'm going to see what the fuck is
• 43:17
  happening. So he, the grandfather goes in.
• 43:22
  The dad is like waiting in the Bush.
• 43:24
  The grandfather's gone for about maybe like 10 minutes.
• 43:30
  He's in this cave and then he walks out like just dejected
• 43:36
  looking just the gun is is held low.
• 43:39
  He's just walking. There's no danger.
• 43:42
  And the dad is like what? What happened?
• 43:45
  Like what's the deal? So apparently he'd walked in and
• 43:49
  they had laid this guy who was who was at the chickens.
• 43:53
  They laid him out for a funeral and they're all mourning.
• 43:56
  They're all stood around him and he said it were not coming back
• 44:02
  up here, like. And apparently he had said that
• 44:06
  they didn't, they didn't mind him being there, but they also
• 44:11
  were like, don't come back kind of thing.
• 44:15
  Like, yeah. I Danny, I move.
• 44:17
  You know, if I, if I'm learning that in my near vicinity there
• 44:26
  is a group of cave dwellers that are feral and are breaking into
• 44:33
  my property, I fucking I pack my bags.
• 44:38
  I'd like. You leave.
• 44:40
  I leave. I leave.
• 44:43
  You wouldn't help. Would I try help the feral
• 44:47
  people? As in, like, I think I would be
• 44:52
  like, you don't have to fucking steal my livestock.
• 44:55
  Like if you need food, I can get you food.
• 44:58
  I have enough crops to. Grow I don't know, like I've I,
• 45:02
  I have watched a horror movie in my time and that just that
• 45:08
  sounds like a a good enough plot where you let in the feral
• 45:13
  community and the next thing you are strung up and your skin is
• 45:19
  being used as leather for bedding or something like.
• 45:24
  Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, OK, I can kind of see that.
• 45:29
  But like at the same time, he never, they never posed like
• 45:35
  they didn't even know that family was there until they
• 45:38
  caught him, like taking chickens.
• 45:41
  So they obviously hadn't caused 2, you know what I mean?
• 45:45
  They weren't interfering with the actual other people on the
• 45:48
  mountain or anything like that. It could have maybe been I, I
• 45:52
  mean, I didn't, I didn't read too much into like the time of
• 45:54
  the year or anything like that. Like maybe it was more difficult
• 45:57
  for them to hunt. Game.
• 45:58
  Or, you know, their crops and stuff weren't growing like
• 46:02
  whatever. Yeah, like this is just.
• 46:04
  I'm just a. Fucking I'm like a fucking
• 46:07
  Disney Princess. So like I can.
• 46:09
  Be. Like the way you're, the way
• 46:10
  you're putting it across is they were just friendly, friendly
• 46:12
  neighbors. Ned.
• 46:13
  Ned Flanders around the corner like everyone's all good and
• 46:20
  well. The man comes out of The Cave
• 46:22
  dejected and says we're never returning here.
• 46:27
  Like, yeah, cool. I was.
• 46:29
  It's you. Know it's fine, we're going to
• 46:31
  leave. Florida this time of year I'd
• 46:33
  rather be a Florida man like. I mean, it runs kind of like
• 46:37
  near Florida. Maybe that maybe that
• 46:40
  electromagnetic field, that pyzo wave spectrum, thermometer
• 46:46
  ghastly is what is causing half the nonsense out in Florida.
• 46:52
  I mean, I, I, I guess, but it's like it is just, it's, it's,
• 46:59
  it's kind of, it is well, and I mean like you get like a lot of
• 47:02
  like oral tradition and things like that.
• 47:06
  Like you're just kind of like taught to.
• 47:11
  Fear. I guess like everything.
• 47:15
  So anyway, bit of exposition in in regard to this the
• 47:23
  Appalachian Mountains, we know that they're like 480 million
• 47:29
  years old, right? And I I do believe in in all of
• 47:35
  this, right? But they create one of the
• 47:39
  experiences more than anywhere else in the world because of
• 47:42
  their geographical structure. Blah blah blah.
• 47:45
  Possibly becomes possible. But if you want to look into it,
• 47:53
  mountains, mountain families in remote hollows had nowhere to
• 47:57
  turn except to their own communities for interpretations
• 48:02
  of insane and impossible events. Right.
• 48:06
  So this is, this is back before all of this, all of like, you
• 48:11
  can't just fucking fuck off down the mountain.
• 48:13
  And like, you know, you can't tweet like, holy shit, just saw
• 48:17
  this for oh, man. Like, you know, if something
• 48:20
  unexplainable happens, they can't call the authorities or
• 48:23
  consult experts. They have to figure it out for
• 48:25
  themselves. And they weren't always the
• 48:28
  brightest of people, right? So let's be real, becoming self
• 48:33
  reliant in matters of vaccination is just the
• 48:37
  Appalachian way. They developed their own
• 48:40
  framework for these events. So a child disappeared in the
• 48:43
  thin place. A community has to tell a story
• 48:46
  that could contain such an experience and teach others
• 48:50
  potentially how to survive. That's where myths and legends
• 48:53
  and a lot of folklore stuff comes from to just imbue some
• 48:57
  kind of survival instinct. And it's based off something
• 49:00
  that happened a long time ago to people that you don't know,
• 49:03
  you've never met, and you, you know, probably what happened to
• 49:07
  them has been grossly changed through the story.
• 49:10
  So Bigfoot for example, right, big guy.
• 49:15
  Not Bigfoot, just a big fucking guy.
• 49:17
  Just a huge guy, right? Big fist hit you on the head,
• 49:22
  kill you dead. Big hairy guy.
• 49:24
  I know a few big hairy guys like you included you.
• 49:27
  Know what I mean Like. It doesn't necessarily mean that
• 49:31
  there's a fucking monster walking her in the place.
• 49:34
  Like I have no doubt that you could probably kill me dead with
• 49:36
  a like a fist like. Factually.
• 49:39
  Actually, like, you know what I mean?
• 49:42
  And it's like Jimmy Fair. If I'm in the Appalachian
• 49:43
  Mountains and I don't know what the fuck's going on and like
• 49:45
  you're, you're the naked man walking around, I would be a bit
• 49:49
  like, what the fuck? Yeah, Bigfoot.
• 49:51
  Absolutely. Yeah.
• 49:53
  Like that's the thing, like you just you, your, your brain
• 49:56
  always wants your brain is just so I think it goes by well, I'm
• 50:04
  a good person. I would never do this and I
• 50:06
  can't imagine anyone ever doing this.
• 50:08
  So therefore it has to be supernatural.
• 50:11
  I think, I think it's the what if dude.
• 50:13
  I think like. What do you mean by what if?
• 50:17
  Well, you know, even when, like if you're young and you're
• 50:24
  afraid of the dark and you see a shadow in your room and the
• 50:31
  first thought you have is, oh, that, you know, there's
• 50:36
  something there. And then you can like
• 50:37
  rationalize and you can say, oh, no, it's it's my coat on my coat
• 50:41
  hanger. But then there's the what if
• 50:45
  that your brain says like, what if it's not that?
• 50:48
  What if it isn't this thing that I'm hoping it is?
• 50:53
  What if it's not just a big hairy man walking in the woods?
• 50:58
  What if it is something dangerous and mysterious and out
• 51:02
  of this world? And I think like, I think that,
• 51:05
  I mean, that's what I think happens that you have that, that
• 51:08
  what if that moment of self doubts that then causes you to
• 51:12
  question your the way you're perceiving the world?
• 51:15
  I think. In a way though, it's it's
• 51:19
  subjective. So to me, I think I would be
• 51:25
  much less scared if I knew it was a person.
• 51:31
  Yeah, but then what if? What if it wasn't a person?
• 51:34
  If it was like a fucking yeah. I mean, if you're, if you're
• 51:38
  camping out in the woods and you see a big shadowy figure, you
• 51:44
  might have that first knee jerk response to be like, Oh no, it's
• 51:47
  obviously someone else camping in the woods.
• 51:50
  But then your brain might have that little trigger that goes,
• 51:52
  what if it's not? What if it's something dangerous
• 51:56
  and scary? I think it's all good.
• 52:00
  Our next story? Oh, there we go.
• 52:04
  Perfect segue. So in January and 1954,
• 52:08
  something started killing animals around Bladenboro, North
• 52:12
  Carolina. But it wasn't killing them in a
• 52:14
  way that normal predators might. It was draining them of their
• 52:18
  blood. Like, literally draining all of
• 52:21
  their blood. So Police Chief Roy Flores had
• 52:24
  seen plenty of animal attacks before, but when he examined the
• 52:27
  dead dogs on New Year's Eve in 1953.
• 52:31
  He knew something. Was very wrong.
• 52:33
  There were no defensive wounds, no scattered fur from a
• 52:36
  struggle. These animals looked like they
• 52:38
  had been emptied. Basically that simple.
• 52:41
  The animals looked like they had been drained of all of their
• 52:44
  blood, and even a quote from the autopsy, he says there weren't
• 52:48
  more than two or three. I want to.
• 52:51
  Should I read it like I'm from Appalachia?
• 52:53
  Do you know what the accent sounds like?
• 52:56
  There weren't more than two 3 drops of blood in them.
• 53:00
  Now it doesn't. Know what happened the other.
• 53:03
  Yeah, now I'm talking Resident Resident Evil Village coming out
• 53:07
  to you. If the Lord can lead to it, He
• 53:11
  can lead. To it cool not.
• 53:13
  Seeking tonight, love that. So yeah, basically there weren't
• 53:18
  one. There weren't.
• 53:20
  I can't read it without doing an accent because it's just the the
• 53:24
  there weren't more than two or three drops of blood in them.
• 53:30
  So basically the wounds on. Each.
• 53:34
  Animal's face were basically identical with surgical
• 53:38
  precision, jaw broke that jaw, bronze jaw, jaw brony jaw bones
• 53:44
  were smashed, bottom lips were split and something was
• 53:48
  methodically and systematically draining the life out of these
• 53:51
  animals. So Blattenbrough, a small town
• 53:57
  of 800 people, like that's fucking tiny.
• 54:00
  Like you consider there's like what, 300 apartments in this?
• 54:05
  There's there's like 400 people that live in our building, yeah.
• 54:08
  Fucking crazy. Usually their news was about the
• 54:11
  price of tobacco or high school basketball, but over 13 days in
• 54:16
  January 1954 something came out of the pine forest and it turned
• 54:20
  Blandborough from a sleepy regular ass Appalachian town to
• 54:23
  a nightmare village. On December 29th, 1953, a woman
• 54:29
  in a nearby town called Clarkton saw a large cat like creature
• 54:34
  disappearing into the darkness. Her neighbor's dogs were missing
• 54:38
  by morning. A few days later, on January
• 54:41
  1st, Johnny V discovered the method.
• 54:45
  He said. My dogs put up a good fight.
• 54:48
  There was blood on the porch, big puddles of it and there was
• 54:51
  pool of saliva on the porch as well.
• 54:54
  It killed one dog at 10:30 and left it lying there.
• 54:58
  My dad wrapped the the my dad wrapped the dog in a blanket and
• 55:03
  that thing came back and got the dog.
• 55:06
  Nobody's seen it since. Wow.
• 55:10
  So basically it killed. It killed and then came back.
• 55:14
  Like they wrapped it and left it on the porch outside because
• 55:16
  you're not going to want to bring a dead animal inside.
• 55:18
  It came back and got the fucking dog off the porch.
• 55:22
  That's crazy. At 1:30 in the morning it came
• 55:27
  back to kill their third dog and then took off.
• 55:34
  So they found the second dog and.
• 55:36
  The dogs were being drained of blood.
• 55:38
  Yeah. Crazy.
• 55:40
  The the first dog was killed like he was still on the
• 55:43
  property. He was drained of blood.
• 55:45
  The second dog was killed the same way but they wrapped it up
• 55:47
  because they were going to bury him the left mid slide but he
• 55:50
  was taken and they had a third dog that was unharmed but the
• 55:54
  beast came back, took the dead dog and then killed the other
• 55:58
  dog that they had. So all of their dogs were killed
• 56:02
  in the space of a day and nobody's seen it since.
• 56:06
  At 1:30 in the morning, came back to kill the other dog, took
• 56:08
  it off. They found the second dog three
• 56:11
  days later, and the top of its head was torn off and the body
• 56:16
  was crushed and wet. It had been in that thing's
• 56:20
  mouth and the other's jaw was completely torn off.
• 56:24
  That was a quote. Two days later, January 3rd,
• 56:27
  Police Chief Forest brought his trained foxhounds to track the
• 56:33
  killer. So these dogs, so foxhounds
• 56:36
  specifically, are used. Yeah, sniffer dogs.
• 56:40
  Yeah, they're, they're really fucking good at that.
• 56:43
  They'll catch basically anything.
• 56:46
  Anything with fucking forelegs, basically.
• 56:48
  They can catch it. But when they caught the scent
• 56:50
  of this creature, they immediately recoiled and refused
• 56:53
  to follow the trail and were whimpering as they backed away
• 56:57
  from whatever trace the creature had left behind.
• 57:01
  The autopsy happened that day and it confirmed what forests
• 57:04
  feared. These animals weren't being
• 57:06
  eaten, they were being drained of their blood.
• 57:10
  On January 5th, a family's pet rabbit was found, cleanly
• 57:14
  decapitated and still warm. On the same day, a man named
• 57:19
  Tater Shaw, which is such a cool name, witnessed something that
• 57:23
  would haunt him for the rest of his life.
• 57:25
  He found his goat with its skull crushed flat.
• 57:31
  He said this. I have a quote and I feel like I
• 57:35
  have to say it and that's what it accent skull was flatter than
• 57:39
  a fritter. It had great big old had a great
• 57:45
  big old track. It would work and he spread 4
• 57:48
  fingers across his palm to show the paw prints the size of
• 57:52
  silver dollars. That's that's how deep into the
• 57:55
  fucking mountains were going. Silver dollars were used as as a
• 58:00
  measure. On January the 6th, Missus CE
• 58:05
  Kinlaw stepped onto her front porch at 7:30 PM to hang laundry
• 58:10
  and 20 feet away in the gathering darkness, the beast
• 58:13
  was waiting for her. The 21 year old mother looked up
• 58:16
  to see a large cat like creature moving toward her with
• 58:19
  deliberate intent. It's always reflected the porch
• 58:22
  light as it sized up its new prey, the first human it had
• 58:25
  reportedly approached. Missus Kinlaw screamed and ran
• 58:28
  inside and her husband Charles grabbed a shotgun and rushed
• 58:32
  out, but only found the paw prints bigger than silver.
• 58:35
  Dollar. Bigger than silver dollars?
• 58:39
  I don't know what I have still. The only measurement I have for
• 58:43
  this thing is is silver dollars scattered across the air.
• 58:47
  The beast that was methodically killing with surgical precision
• 58:52
  all kinds of dogs and other creatures had showed an in
• 58:55
  interest in human blood. So yeah, basically after this
• 59:02
  panic spread through Blandborough.
• 59:05
  Women locked themselves indoors after sunset and men who had
• 59:08
  never owned firearms bought shotguns and pistols.
• 59:12
  Families with outdoors, I know families with outdoor privies
• 59:17
  started using chamber pots inside their houses to avoid
• 59:21
  night time trips to the old outhouses.
• 59:26
  And then, yeah, basically witnesses describe the same on
• 59:31
  earthly cry, like a baby crying or a woman with a knife stuck in
• 59:35
  her back, which how do you know what that sounds like?
• 59:38
  But how do you know? It's it's the mountains that are
• 59:41
  measuring things by silver dollars.
• 59:43
  I think they've got some domestic violence that they can
• 59:46
  refer to. Probably or basically like a
• 59:51
  newborn baby. Babies are so fucking annoying
• 59:54
  dude. So I would get that.
• 59:56
  So professional hunter Southwest Garrett heard this sound while
• 1:00:01
  tracking and compared it to a Panthers scream, but admitted he
• 1:00:06
  had never actually heard a Panthers scream.
• 1:00:10
  OK, so we're just making up stuff in the mountains.
• 1:00:13
  So we're just making up. We're just making up.
• 1:00:15
  Panthers sounded cool and they thought that's that's what it
• 1:00:19
  must sound like. We've just heard a scream we've
• 1:00:22
  never heard before, and we're putting it down to one of these
• 1:00:26
  creatures that we've also never heard before.
• 1:00:29
  Yeah, that's the Appalachian way.
• 1:00:34
  So. Unreal.
• 1:00:39
  Yeah. So basically they, I mean,
• 1:00:45
  they've never, they've never found out what that was.
• 1:00:48
  There's been like, things have been like, it's a cougar, it's a
• 1:00:51
  bobcat, it's, it's whatever. But like, apparently none of
• 1:00:55
  those animals make that noise that they've all been
• 1:00:58
  describing. Well, I mean, fuck the noise,
• 1:01:03
  because the the only thing that is actually evidence is the the
• 1:01:07
  injuries sustained to the animals.
• 1:01:10
  Yeah. And even while you're like
• 1:01:12
  reading this out, I'm like, OK, could it be a bear?
• 1:01:15
  You know what's going to be what's going to be strong enough
• 1:01:19
  to crush a skull or to decapitate.
• 1:01:25
  Apparently not, because they don't approach heavily populated
• 1:01:31
  human areas. Bears.
• 1:01:33
  Well, no. Even even if they did, like I, I
• 1:01:37
  don't think a bear is crushing. A skull.
• 1:01:40
  Eat it. Yeah, you know, they'd be,
• 1:01:42
  they'd be massive claw Marks and they'd be and like messy, you
• 1:01:47
  know, the way these things are being described like it's it's
• 1:01:50
  it's like precision, like considered surgical, you know,
• 1:01:58
  which is left it. It goes to the head.
• 1:02:02
  So basically so witnesses paint a picture of something that
• 1:02:06
  defies classification. Obviously 4 1/2 feet long,
• 1:02:10
  bushy, resembling either a bear or a Panther.
• 1:02:15
  Some weights estimate ranges around 80 lbs to 150 lbs and
• 1:02:21
  some estimate more. Some base the weight on how it
• 1:02:25
  crashed through underbrush. The tracks that were found
• 1:02:30
  showed claws at least an inch long.
• 1:02:32
  Some describe it as brownish and clumsy and others as dark with a
• 1:02:38
  cat like face. But all witnesses agreed on one
• 1:02:42
  detail. It moved with a predatory
• 1:02:44
  intelligence and circled its prey with the patience of
• 1:02:47
  something that had all the time in the world.
• 1:02:49
  Which I don't think any Appalachian fucking mountain man
• 1:02:54
  said anything like that. No, that's really, that's really
• 1:02:58
  eloquent. We've gone from silver dollars
• 1:03:01
  to inches here so. I'm flatter than a fritter.
• 1:03:05
  Like I don't, I don't. Flatter than a fritter?
• 1:03:08
  I don't think we could. We can.
• 1:03:09
  We can make that jump. But anyway, by January 7th,
• 1:03:13
  nearly 1000 hunters had descended on Blad and Bro.
• 1:03:17
  Professional big game hunters who had basically killed lions
• 1:03:21
  in Africa, Frat Bros from UNC Chapel Hill looking for a
• 1:03:25
  trophy. Farmers with bird dogs and
• 1:03:28
  rabbit guns. They were all convinced that
• 1:03:31
  they would be the one to bag the Beast of Bladenborough.
• 1:03:35
  But nobody succeeded, obviously. That would have been crazy
• 1:03:40
  though, if they did shoot encrypted like it's never
• 1:03:42
  happened. But if we had like, evidence of
• 1:03:45
  someone shooting encrypted, that would be pretty cool.
• 1:03:48
  So M Woodrow Fussell, who owned a local movie theatre at the
• 1:03:52
  time and had the instincts of a Bourne showman As hunters poured
• 1:03:59
  into the town, he made a phone call to Charlotte and booked a
• 1:04:02
  film for January 9th called The Big Cats, his advertisements
• 1:04:08
  read. Now you can see the cat.
• 1:04:10
  We've got him on the screen and in Technicolor because he was a
• 1:04:15
  genius. The same day the movie played,
• 1:04:17
  Fossil called off the hunt. There were too many guns, too
• 1:04:21
  much disruption, and too much of a chance that an overexcited
• 1:04:26
  hunter might shoot somebody. Because you know, that happens
• 1:04:29
  all the fucking time. On January 13th, Luther Davis
• 1:04:33
  found a bobcat struggling in a steel trap 4 miles from the
• 1:04:37
  town. He shot it, dragged to the town
• 1:04:40
  where Mayor Fussell hung it from a pole with a sign that says
• 1:04:43
  this is the Beast of Bladenburg. And the killing stopped.
• 1:04:47
  The hunters all went home and the news newspapers moved on.
• 1:04:51
  But years later, Mayor Fussell admitted to an interviewer a
• 1:04:57
  little publicity never hurt a small town, You know, because
• 1:05:01
  he's, he's evil and, and southern old Fussell admitted to
• 1:05:07
  the Beast of Bladenburgh is 10% real and 90% imagination.
• 1:05:12
  But also, Fussell was the one to call the newspapers about the
• 1:05:15
  dead dogs. So he clearly.
• 1:05:17
  Found their manner of death strange enough to attract
• 1:05:20
  outside attention, whether it's just for attention or because it
• 1:05:23
  was genuine. Peter Shaw lived to be 87 years
• 1:05:28
  old, sitting in a nursing home decades later describing the
• 1:05:31
  goat in its head. Flatter the fritter flatter.
• 1:05:36
  Than a fritter. Flatter than a fritter and with
• 1:05:40
  tracks the size of silver dollars.
• 1:05:44
  So basically, he had said yeah, with the track size of silver
• 1:05:48
  dollars. Today, Blattenbrook celebrates
• 1:05:51
  its infamous visitor with an annual beast.
• 1:05:54
  Fest. Which, yeah, basically there's
• 1:05:58
  like a, it just reminds me of there's like a a shrimp fest in
• 1:06:03
  Virginia, which I really want to go to.
• 1:06:05
  I don't know what of. Of the back of Forrest Gump.
• 1:06:09
  Yeah, just shrimp, fried shrimp, fried shrimp, shrimp, beef
• 1:06:15
  shrimper. Than a silver dollar.
• 1:06:20
  Platter than a freighter. There's like a a really funny
• 1:06:25
  Instagram reel. It was like, I don't know if
• 1:06:29
  you've seen it. Me and Michaela quote it all the
• 1:06:30
  time. Also Michaela gets mentioned.
• 1:06:32
  Every fucking episode does. She ever appear?
• 1:06:37
  No, she's she's going to one day, but she hasn't yet.
• 1:06:41
  But basically we're there's like she shared me this thing and it
• 1:06:43
  was like AI pics. The state's like signature food,
• 1:06:51
  and it's like Virginia's like, you better not be touching my
• 1:06:55
  Virginia burjammer. And it's like we just quote a.
• 1:06:59
  Crayon fish like deep. Pizza.
• 1:07:02
  I can honestly say that I've never heard you say that quote
• 1:07:05
  that. We quote it to each other all
• 1:07:08
  the time and you want, you want to hear about the moon eyed
• 1:07:10
  people because I fucking love the moon eyed people.
• 1:07:14
  I want to hear about none of this.
• 1:07:17
  I am happy to. I am happy to help you navigate
• 1:07:20
  your podcasts. Thank you.
• 1:07:25
  I Before you get clear clear breakaway of editing, I had like
• 1:07:32
  3 radio shows and one of them was with a girl who was
• 1:07:39
  exclusively into like Norwegian black goth metal.
• 1:07:44
  I. Love.
• 1:07:45
  That which I knew nothing about. And she was such a bad talker
• 1:07:49
  that the producers of our station was like.
• 1:07:53
  Justin Talker. What she she she wasn't really
• 1:07:56
  good. She was by herself.
• 1:07:59
  You know, a lot of her podcast, a lot of her radio show was
• 1:08:01
  like, and up next is this band and then play the music.
• 1:08:05
  It was not, it was not like conversational elements to it
• 1:08:09
  where I had like a breakfast show that was just 90% me and I
• 1:08:12
  got the guy talking shits and playing music and they were like
• 1:08:15
  Justin, you're going to do some episodes with her to try and get
• 1:08:19
  her to talk more to. Talk, yeah.
• 1:08:22
  And basically, like everything, you know, she was like, Next up,
• 1:08:28
  we're going to play. Chains of blood wrapped around
• 1:08:31
  my father's throat. Justin, have you heard that
• 1:08:34
  band? And I was like, Nope, never
• 1:08:35
  heard that band, but really excited to listen to them, you
• 1:08:38
  know, like, I had no idea what I was talking about.
• 1:08:40
  So even now I'm just trying to like just have.
• 1:08:42
  No jump in because like normally like so Justine and I have known
• 1:08:45
  each other for 10 years so he it's easier for him to jump in
• 1:08:50
  and like whatever. Just just throw yourself in
• 1:08:53
  honestly, like it Don't worry about like and I'm open to like
• 1:08:57
  obviously open discussion. It's just like the actual
• 1:09:01
  stories that I have are written out, but, like, cut me off.
• 1:09:04
  We'll talk about it, yeah. I know I'm saying so I don't
• 1:09:07
  give a fuck about any of this, I'm just chatting with.
• 1:09:09
  You cool so I want to go back then we can Alex.
• 1:09:13
  So Alex is is really good he's our editor he's amazing he can
• 1:09:16
  make anything sound good. Thank.
• 1:09:20
  You, Alex. Alex is really good, but he he
• 1:09:25
  was going to step in and he was like, Danny, I'm literally going
• 1:09:27
  to kill myself. So I.
• 1:09:28
  Don't want to talk? To you tonight and I was like,
• 1:09:30
  that's fair, but yeah, so he's really good.
• 1:09:35
  So like we recently like we recently just like started like
• 1:09:37
  a Patreon and things like that. So I don't know how you guys
• 1:09:42
  Alex has probably shared this with you guys already.
• 1:09:46
  He does the social media Alex does he's going to cut this
• 1:09:48
  whole thing but can't figure out it.
• 1:09:52
  But yeah so basically we have a Patreon now where we're going to
• 1:09:56
  do different things because I we have so many listeners that I
• 1:10:00
  had no idea that we had like I shared the Spotify link last
• 1:10:06
  night to be like, OK, 'cause we're starting a Patreon like if
• 1:10:10
  you could just rate US like we're 4.3 out of five on Spotify
• 1:10:14
  or something I think so I was like, if you could you don't
• 1:10:17
  even have to listen to a whole episode if you just press play
• 1:10:19
  and try it and you rate US like that would be fucking awesome
• 1:10:22
  like just to help us do this. And then like when I when I
• 1:10:27
  shared that I had so many people message me being like, it's such
• 1:10:30
  a fucking good like people. I would have never thought that
• 1:10:32
  would have listened that are like regular listeners, which is
• 1:10:36
  really cool. I was just like really there's
• 1:10:40
  like, well, yeah, like it's it's it's actually a good podcast
• 1:10:44
  just. Like I think because like I me
• 1:10:48
  and Jussie put like no stock. Like I mean, I do the research
• 1:10:53
  because I love doing it. Like it's something I would do
• 1:10:55
  anyway. And then it's, I think we kind
• 1:10:59
  of treat it as just like our weekly catch up as friends.
• 1:11:02
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, people probably
• 1:11:04
  really enjoy and appreciate that dynamic.
• 1:11:07
  Yes. You know.
• 1:11:09
  Like, and we've got like a bunch of people.
• 1:11:11
  I mean, like, I fucking love that it's just so casual or
• 1:11:13
  whatever. And the fact that you included
• 1:11:15
  lack of focus because I have completely forgotten like what
• 1:11:19
  the episode is supposed to be about like 90 minutes.
• 1:11:22
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, that's what we do.
• 1:11:25
  Yeah. Right, well, basically, so this
• 1:11:30
  is the next thing. So we've done the Beast of
• 1:11:33
  Blandborough. Now I want to talk to you a
• 1:11:36
  little bit about the moon eyed dudes.
• 1:11:41
  Wait, I can find this? My notes are all over the place.
• 1:11:45
  While you're looking, so just to just to clarify, we have missing
• 1:11:50
  children, blood draining beasts, and there's more within the pyzo
• 1:11:57
  electromagnetic sphere, distortion field ray, Zeta bomb.
• 1:12:03
  A bunch more, a bunch more. So like this isn't even going
• 1:12:07
  into like the obvious kind of things, which I'm sure anyone
• 1:12:11
  who's heard about the Appalachian Mountains has heard.
• 1:12:13
  So like skinwalkers, Wendigo, Tommy knockers, all of that kind
• 1:12:20
  of thing. So skinwalkers fascinate me.
• 1:12:25
  I don't know if you know too much about them.
• 1:12:28
  I think when you say it, I have like a picture in my head of how
• 1:12:32
  they're depicted, but I don't, I don't think I really know much
• 1:12:37
  about skinwalkers. I also don't know if I want to
• 1:12:40
  know much about skinwalkers. I think I have my fears and to
• 1:12:44
  add to that might be a bad time. But please, yeah, tell me more
• 1:12:48
  about skinwalkers. What I love about skinwalkers is
• 1:12:52
  that I think that every kind of culture has a different version
• 1:12:57
  of a skinwalker. OK, so like Jesus.
• 1:13:00
  Yeah, which, but skinwalkers apparently are like an ancient,
• 1:13:06
  like Navajo spirit. So Native American, obviously
• 1:13:10
  that land is millions of years old, and then America's only
• 1:13:14
  what, like a 500 year old? Country.
• 1:13:16
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But basically, they're a spirit
• 1:13:22
  that tries to lure you in to kill you.
• 1:13:25
  But they can assume the form of people that you well, they can
• 1:13:34
  take the voice of people that you know and trust or your own
• 1:13:37
  voice, or they can mimic adults. Not quite.
• 1:13:41
  There's always something not quite right about it, though.
• 1:13:45
  So like, you might be in the mountains and, you know, like
• 1:13:49
  camping or doing whatever, and like a deer shows up outside and
• 1:13:52
  the deer might look a little bit off.
• 1:13:54
  It's because a skinwalker can take the form, but it always
• 1:13:58
  looks a little bit weird and it's like.
• 1:14:02
  AIAI videos with hands. They can't get the hands right
• 1:14:05
  just yet, OK? Yes, that kind of thing.
• 1:14:07
  Or it's like you'll see like if you search like you can, you can
• 1:14:11
  search it on like fucking like TikTok, YouTube, whatever.
• 1:14:14
  It's like, oh, Skinny Walker caught in the wild, that kind of
• 1:14:17
  thing, which is probably AI, but it's basically like it's an
• 1:14:20
  animal or a person, but it's glitching.
• 1:14:23
  Yeah. Essentially which?
• 1:14:26
  Which Which is the thing, yeah. And then there'll be like all
• 1:14:28
  the different, like, interpretations of what I'm
• 1:14:31
  assuming shape shifters in different cultures and whatnot.
• 1:14:34
  OK, Yeah. But there's also a thing where
• 1:14:38
  it's like a very, very common thing, like if you hear like a
• 1:14:44
  whistle in the woods, you don't acknowledge it, You don't run
• 1:14:50
  from it, but you walk as fast as you can away from it.
• 1:14:54
  And it's if something tries to get your attention in the woods.
• 1:14:59
  I mean, which I I think is common sense anyway, You know
• 1:15:02
  what I mean? Like you're not going to fucking
• 1:15:05
  like be out in the middle of the woods camping and you hear like,
• 1:15:08
  hey, like you're not going to want to fucking go to wards That
• 1:15:11
  I'm just. Like if I hear if I'm it all
• 1:15:14
  depends on the whistle. But if I hear while I'm out
• 1:15:17
  camping, the voice of a small child whispering hay to me, I'm
• 1:15:23
  fucking. I'm peeing my pants and I'm.
• 1:15:27
  Punching it. Yeah, the thing that I I fear no
• 1:15:30
  man I could fight. Can you whistle?
• 1:15:32
  I can whistle. I don't know if I can whistle on
• 1:15:34
  the mic. I think it'll fuck it up, but I
• 1:15:36
  can whistle. No, but that's not, but if you
• 1:15:37
  can do the whistle because I can't whistle if you can do the
• 1:15:39
  whistle for me. So this is like the kind of the
• 1:15:42
  the search of what it's like, you know, then that that's boom.
• 1:15:50
  Yeah. I'm, I'm fucking, I'm fucking
• 1:15:52
  out of there. I'm that's.
• 1:15:54
  The one people report hearing all the time, like like
• 1:15:58
  somewhere in the woods. And it's like, no, like if like
• 1:16:02
  put to me in my head, that's a weird man in the woods
• 1:16:06
  whistling. I'm gone.
• 1:16:07
  I'm gone. Yeah, but then like.
• 1:16:10
  That's enough for me. There's the what if you hear a
• 1:16:12
  whistle like, oh, that must be somebody else then.
• 1:16:14
  Oh no, it could be an Appalachian skinwalker.
• 1:16:18
  Yeah. Fuck.
• 1:16:20
  But. You're not gonna like, but this
• 1:16:22
  is the thing and it's like, I think they need to like to, to
• 1:16:25
  figure their game out more because I'm not going towards
• 1:16:29
  that. Yeah, I'm not going over there.
• 1:16:32
  You know what I mean? I'm like, absolutely fucking
• 1:16:35
  not. Like if it's if you put it in
• 1:16:38
  place and if you're like, if you're like, maybe take the
• 1:16:41
  voice of a girl being like. This man won't leave me the fuck
• 1:16:44
  alone. I'm over there.
• 1:16:45
  Should I know that how you look at me?
• 1:16:47
  I'm just like, fuck that. But like I fucking whistle.
• 1:16:51
  I'm like, they're probably fine. They're whistling.
• 1:16:54
  I mean, it's, it's that's the, yeah, that's the, that's the the
• 1:16:59
  horror movie trope. Like you hear a suspicious
• 1:17:02
  sound, you go investigate. Exactly.
• 1:17:05
  Don't do that in the mountains. Don't.
• 1:17:07
  Do that. No, not in the mountains like in
• 1:17:10
  in my house. So I, I think I've told this
• 1:17:12
  story on the podcast before, but whatever you're hearing it again
• 1:17:15
  because Justin hasn't heard it, but when I was younger, I was
• 1:17:20
  like maybe 1617 and I was babysitting for this family who
• 1:17:24
  lived down in Feathert in Ireland.
• 1:17:26
  So it's like on the very, very coast.
• 1:17:29
  It's like the southernest, easternest point to Ireland.
• 1:17:33
  That's where I'm from. And so it's like a 40 minute
• 1:17:37
  drive down there. And so I was looking after these
• 1:17:40
  two kids for this family. Stunning house, gorgeous.
• 1:17:45
  Because everyone who lives in Feathered is inbred.
• 1:17:48
  And like, it's just, they built. Yeah, legit.
• 1:17:53
  Like that's the closest we have to feral people.
• 1:17:55
  But right near this house, like maybe a 2 minute walk is if
• 1:18:01
  you've got your phone on you, you can Google it.
• 1:18:05
  Actually, I would like you to Google it.
• 1:18:07
  Loftus Hall in Wexford. I don't even know how to spell
• 1:18:11
  that. Loftus Hall.
• 1:18:18
  Wexford, OK. Oh yeah, not going there.
• 1:18:23
  Right. So basically this is we're
• 1:18:27
  probably going to do an episode on that anyway.
• 1:18:29
  We haven't done it yet, which I'm surprised by, but the devil
• 1:18:32
  apparently appeared there. There's like a bunch of stuff,
• 1:18:35
  but there's a notoriously horrible family in Ireland
• 1:18:39
  called the Kelly's. They're they've been there for
• 1:18:43
  hundreds and hundreds of years. They own that building the
• 1:18:47
  Hellfire Club about like they're part of like not the Illuminati
• 1:18:53
  or the Freemasons. It's like a weirder kind of.
• 1:18:56
  Just another group, yeah. Just fucking bad people.
• 1:19:01
  And and so, yeah, like they own that manner.
• 1:19:07
  So they were the ones that built it.
• 1:19:09
  They had these. So if you go in, I've been in
• 1:19:13
  there a few times, we used to go drinking in there.
• 1:19:14
  I got fingered in there for the first time ever.
• 1:19:19
  I'm so sorry. I was like 15.
• 1:19:22
  But we used to like drive down there and like, because like,
• 1:19:25
  there would be maybe me and like three other people pulling up in
• 1:19:29
  a little fucking like. White.
• 1:19:31
  Nissan Micra, like I think the gatekeeper knew we weren't in
• 1:19:34
  any trouble, so he would just be like, is it just you 4?
• 1:19:37
  And we'd be like, yeah, yeah, fine, go on.
• 1:19:40
  They let he just let us hop the gate and, like, go in.
• 1:19:42
  So it been it changed hands many, many times throughout the
• 1:19:47
  years. At one time, Bono owned it.
• 1:19:49
  And then was just like, I can't do anything with this.
• 1:19:52
  So the legend goes that the Kelly family owned it.
• 1:19:56
  They built it. The staircase is made of like
• 1:20:00
  the most beautiful marble. It's a fuck.
• 1:20:02
  It is a gorgeous staircase. And it was these. 2.
• 1:20:05
  French guys, excuse me, French Masons that built it, and then
• 1:20:12
  the Kelly family cut off their hands because they never want
• 1:20:17
  them to build something of the same.
• 1:20:21
  It's like stature, beauty. Logical.
• 1:20:23
  Yeah, yeah. Which, you know, like fair play,
• 1:20:26
  whatever happens so that that stairs, like the staircase all
• 1:20:31
  stands like beautifully whatever.
• 1:20:33
  And then the building has been a bunch of different things.
• 1:20:36
  Like it's been like home, it has been like a convent, it's been a
• 1:20:40
  hotel, a lot of different things.
• 1:20:42
  Haunted Haunted house. Each.
• 1:20:45
  Time it changes hands, someone dies.
• 1:20:49
  So when it was the family, there was a horrible, horrible case of
• 1:20:54
  basically the daughter apparently got impregnated by
• 1:20:57
  Satan. They locked her up because she
• 1:21:01
  went mental. She had the baby who was the
• 1:21:06
  Antichrist. In reality, this baby probably
• 1:21:08
  had Down syndrome and back in those days it was like, oh it's
• 1:21:12
  deformed, it's the devil buried the baby in the walls.
• 1:21:16
  Whole fucking dramatic thing. Then who?
• 1:21:19
  Buries a baby in a wall. I don't know the fucking Kelly
• 1:21:24
  family, obviously. The story basically was there
• 1:21:28
  was a traveler who had sailed in.
• 1:21:31
  Now this is where it already. I don't believe it because if
• 1:21:34
  you've been down to hook head the waters like whatever way the
• 1:21:39
  it's peninsula see, I don't know.
• 1:21:45
  Waters are so rough that there's no way a boat could dock like
• 1:21:48
  there were no there was a lighthouse to warn you that the
• 1:21:52
  waters were shit, but whatever. But apparently someone had
• 1:21:55
  sailed in into that port, rode up, and it is about like maybe 4
• 1:22:01
  miles away from the lighthouse to this Manor.
• 1:22:04
  And then they pulled in. They were like, oh look, just a
• 1:22:06
  weary traveller. And then apparently with Satan,
• 1:22:09
  they're playing cards during a fucking thunderstorm because
• 1:22:14
  everything happens during a storm.
• 1:22:18
  The guy dropped a card, someone bent to pick it up, and then
• 1:22:22
  they saw that this guy had hooves and he shot through the
• 1:22:26
  ceiling and there was a hole in the same thing.
• 1:22:28
  They actually still can't. Fix that hole which is really.
• 1:22:31
  Funny. Yeah, it is like.
• 1:22:33
  Chopped off everyone's hands. I think that's the first
• 1:22:36
  mistake. Probably it.
• 1:22:37
  Let the workers have hands to fix the ceilings.
• 1:22:41
  The hole is like very much still there and it keeps changing
• 1:22:46
  hands because they can repair it but if it just caters back in.
• 1:22:51
  Wow. And my logical brain is well,
• 1:22:54
  it's a protective building. You probably would have to knock
• 1:22:56
  down part of it to actually have that replaced.
• 1:23:00
  Yeah, get that like structural integrity, yeah.
• 1:23:03
  Yeah, me of all people being the smart person saying these
• 1:23:07
  things. But, you know, so I was like, I
• 1:23:11
  was engaged to be married and then we had planned on getting
• 1:23:16
  married in Wexford town where I'm from, and then traveling
• 1:23:19
  down there to. Get our pictures taken.
• 1:23:22
  Because it is fucking stunning. And we were both big Goths,
• 1:23:25
  like, and then they're like, no, you.
• 1:23:27
  Can't do that, You have to. Actually get married here.
• 1:23:29
  I was like, why would I get married at a haunted house?
• 1:23:32
  Like. What the what the fuck?
• 1:23:34
  Like, and I was like, not even for me, like believing in that,
• 1:23:38
  but like my family wouldn't go there.
• 1:23:40
  Like they're strict Catholic people.
• 1:23:41
  They're just like that devil lives there.
• 1:23:43
  Why would we go there? But yeah, anyway, so it was
• 1:23:48
  like, it was that whole kind of thing where it's like just bred
• 1:23:53
  into where was I going with this?
• 1:23:55
  Honestly, I have no idea. I don't know, I think it's just
• 1:24:01
  folklore in general. But yeah, like Kelly found me
• 1:24:06
  building things. I don't know.
• 1:24:09
  But you know the story about office Hall anyway, which I'm
• 1:24:11
  sure the story like the the listeners you're hearing for the
• 1:24:14
  6th time, but whatever. Oh shit.
• 1:24:17
  Yeah, no, I was going for I know where I was going.
• 1:24:19
  So I was babysitting pretty, pretty close to Loftus Hall and
• 1:24:25
  whatever. And I know I've told this story
• 1:24:29
  on the podcast before, but it ties into this.
• 1:24:32
  It's two kids. I was like chilling it,
• 1:24:33
  whatever. And I just heard this woman
• 1:24:36
  screaming, right. So in Wexford, the further out
• 1:24:42
  you go, like into the country the houses are, you can have a
• 1:24:45
  fucking mansion and pay nothing on it.
• 1:24:48
  Yeah. Because you're in the middle of
• 1:24:50
  nowhere, right? So this house is fucking
• 1:24:52
  stunning gorgeous. Like like acres have laughed.
• 1:24:55
  And I just heard this screaming and I was like, what the fuck?
• 1:25:00
  The kids I'd already put to bed. I'd like turned off the TV and I
• 1:25:04
  put like I remember and like I had like the fucking remote and
• 1:25:07
  I was like, put it beside me and I was just like, I'm not hearing
• 1:25:12
  things. And I was like, do they have a
• 1:25:15
  cat? I was like, I don't think they
• 1:25:17
  have a cat. You know, sometimes like cats,
• 1:25:18
  like yell. Yeah, your brain starts doing
• 1:25:21
  the what if. Yeah, I checked the doors to be
• 1:25:24
  like, is there a cat trying to get in?
• 1:25:26
  Like whatever. Nothing.
• 1:25:27
  Sat back down, went back. I went upstairs, kids, dad
• 1:25:32
  asleep. I was like, OK, came back
• 1:25:34
  downstairs and then I sat there and I was like texting my
• 1:25:36
  boyfriend all the time. And I was like, I know it's
• 1:25:39
  really weird. Like, I don't know what's going
• 1:25:40
  on. And he was just like, oh, like,
• 1:25:42
  because he was from the country, like country, country.
• 1:25:46
  It's all like sucking. It's a fox.
• 1:25:49
  It's something. The wind.
• 1:25:51
  Yeah, I was like, I don't think so.
• 1:25:53
  Like me living in a fucking housing estate in the town all
• 1:25:56
  my life and I was just like, I don't know.
• 1:26:00
  And I sat there, and I was. Just kind of like, I was like,
• 1:26:03
  you know what? He's probably right.
• 1:26:04
  Turn it back on. I was watching Family Guy turn
• 1:26:07
  it back on. I heard just fucking blood
• 1:26:11
  curdling scream again. Yeah, piercing.
• 1:26:14
  And I was like Nope got up like walked out open the so the back
• 1:26:18
  door was like onto a balcony like not a balcony like a deck.
• 1:26:22
  And then it was straight open the 2 doors and I stood dead
• 1:26:28
  silence again. And then I heard it again and I
• 1:26:30
  was like no like hold the door close call the police
• 1:26:32
  immediately. And I was like, there's a woman
• 1:26:36
  screaming like I'm out and Feathered, there's a woman
• 1:26:38
  screaming like you have to go here.
• 1:26:40
  And then so Feathered was about, like I said, like a 40 minute
• 1:26:45
  drive from the town and it was a Saturday night.
• 1:26:49
  They don't want to come out all the way to Feathered because
• 1:26:51
  they're getting fucking idiots act in the spa in the middle of
• 1:26:54
  the town fighting like. Yeah, Glass music.
• 1:26:56
  Enough to do so. They're just like literally,
• 1:27:00
  they were like, I'm sure it's nothing.
• 1:27:03
  It's just like, no, like there's a woman screaming.
• 1:27:06
  I promise you. I've checked it like I promise.
• 1:27:08
  And they were just like, if we go out there.
• 1:27:12
  And there's no one on your head. Yeah, he was like, girl.
• 1:27:20
  And I was like, no, it's a scream.
• 1:27:22
  I promise you there's no, I know it's not a cat.
• 1:27:25
  I have cats. I know it's nothing or whatever.
• 1:27:27
  And he's like, he's it's me. I'll never forget it.
• 1:27:30
  And he goes, Are you sure it's not a fox?
• 1:27:32
  And I was. Like what the fuck does the fox?
• 1:27:33
  Sound like and he was like. You really just be troubling the
• 1:27:40
  police. And he was like, I will send
• 1:27:45
  someone out and I was like, OK when?
• 1:27:48
  And he was like, I don't know, we.
• 1:27:50
  Have a lot to. Do with Saturday night and I was
• 1:27:52
  like, fucking hell. So I was like pacing kept
• 1:27:55
  randomly hearing this scream and I was like, this woman's gonna
• 1:27:59
  be dead. Like she's gonna be dead.
• 1:28:01
  Like there's someone like fucking killing her.
• 1:28:03
  There's someone raping her, like there's there's something
• 1:28:05
  horrible happening. Whatever and this Vanguard and
• 1:28:08
  this guard show up, right. For those of you who don't know,
• 1:28:12
  Vanguard is a a female guard. And I got which man police
• 1:28:17
  officer or female police officer or whatever.
• 1:28:20
  And they show up and they're just like, oh, like we have like
• 1:28:22
  reports of whatever. And I was like, yes, come in and
• 1:28:25
  they knew. They fucking knew.
• 1:28:26
  They were already so sick of me. They were just like.
• 1:28:30
  What like and? I was like, there's a scream.
• 1:28:32
  There's a scream. And then they were like, are
• 1:28:34
  there children in the house? And I was just like, yeah,
• 1:28:36
  they're upstairs, like whatever. And then they were like, have
• 1:28:39
  you had anything to drink? And I was like, no, like, and
• 1:28:42
  they're like. Did they even investigate it?
• 1:28:44
  So they just tried. They just.
• 1:28:45
  Yeah. They went outside with me right
• 1:28:49
  to the background onto the decking and they heard the
• 1:28:53
  scream and they both looked at each other and they were like
• 1:28:56
  fox and burst out laughing and then pulled up on YouTube the
• 1:29:03
  sound of a female fox screaming. And it was that exact sound.
• 1:29:08
  And she's like, they're like, it's just a fox looking to get
• 1:29:12
  shagged. Jeez, Danny.
• 1:29:14
  Oh my God, I was like. How was I supposed to know?
• 1:29:18
  I've never heard a fox fucking screaming the horn before.
• 1:29:24
  Like I I don't know. I don't fucking know.
• 1:29:27
  I just think there's like someone screaming and I'm
• 1:29:30
  unsettled enough by it to be like help.
• 1:29:32
  And they're just like the guy on the phone as well.
• 1:29:36
  He was like, I know for a fact you're wasting my time, fucking
• 1:29:40
  bitch. I was like, what the fuck do you
• 1:29:45
  want me to do? And they were just like, are are
• 1:29:49
  you happy for us to leave or do you want us to like, send
• 1:29:52
  somebody? I was like, I was like send.
• 1:29:54
  Who? Like, like, do you have the
• 1:29:56
  number for the parents? I was like, well, yeah, they're
• 1:29:58
  going to be home soon. It's like, oh, and you still
• 1:30:00
  have to call us. Really.
• 1:30:01
  OK. What the fuck?
• 1:30:04
  But you, I mean, you, you had the, I'm going to keep bringing
• 1:30:07
  this up during this podcast because I think it's I've, I've
• 1:30:11
  really figured it out. You had the What if?
• 1:30:14
  You had the what if? I did.
• 1:30:16
  I did. Because like, you hear, like, I
• 1:30:18
  don't fucking know. Like unless I live in the woods
• 1:30:21
  all the time and hear what I know for a fact to be a fox,
• 1:30:27
  what the fuck am I gonna do? Yeah, you.
• 1:30:29
  Mean you've got no reference point for it.
• 1:30:32
  No and like we so we live like in the town and I like my
• 1:30:36
  brother, my oldest brother, he's like 505152 now like he's old.
• 1:30:43
  Spring chicken. When we, like, still live, like
• 1:30:48
  he still lived in the house. And, like, my mom told me the
• 1:30:50
  story that, like, so, you know, like, you've heard cats at
• 1:30:55
  night, like. Yeah.
• 1:30:56
  During. He.
• 1:30:57
  And they they. Sound like babies crying like
• 1:31:00
  they do. They sound horrifying.
• 1:31:02
  I mean that's it's. Disgusting.
• 1:31:03
  It's an awful noise. And he, my brother, like went
• 1:31:07
  in. So like at this point, I think
• 1:31:09
  he was like living back home in my mom's house for I think he
• 1:31:12
  was waiting on his, his actual like house that he bought to be
• 1:31:16
  ready or something. There was like a transitional
• 1:31:18
  period that he was there for like a week or two.
• 1:31:20
  Yeah. And he'd never heard this noise
• 1:31:22
  before. And he like, ran into my mom's
• 1:31:25
  room like a baby. And he was just like, there's a
• 1:31:28
  child screaming outside. And I was like, no, there isn't
• 1:31:32
  going to bed. He was just like, no, like
• 1:31:34
  there's like someone's after like leaving a baby outside and
• 1:31:39
  it's, it's screaming, crying. And she's like Wayne, it's not,
• 1:31:44
  it's a cat. And he's like, it's not a cat.
• 1:31:47
  And like she has to go into like the into like his bedroom with
• 1:31:50
  him and like listen to it. And she was like, it's a cat.
• 1:31:53
  I'm going to bed. Never talk to.
• 1:31:55
  Me see the, the the like the crazy thing and this is one of
• 1:31:59
  the things I'm I'm like constantly in discussions about
• 1:32:02
  with people from the UK in the time that I've lived here is
• 1:32:07
  that there's like a veil of safety having grown up in places
• 1:32:15
  like the UK where in South Africa and I mean I've been like
• 1:32:21
  personally me and my family we've been like victims of
• 1:32:24
  violence like in our home. So growing up, like when I heard
• 1:32:33
  noises in the bushes, we could never like rest in the
• 1:32:37
  assumption that it was a cat because like 6 out of 10 times
• 1:32:43
  it was a person like in your garden trying to break into your
• 1:32:47
  house. That's.
• 1:32:48
  Terrifying. I mean, you know, beautiful
• 1:32:51
  country, love it so much, but they're, you know, they, they
• 1:32:54
  are dangers and like not to not to try steer the ship back to
• 1:33:00
  Appalachian Mountains, but. I will get back to it, yeah.
• 1:33:04
  Like that's, that's the, you know, you, you were mentioning
• 1:33:07
  earlier, like how that's all they know.
• 1:33:11
  Like I wouldn't I wouldn't be able, I think realistically to
• 1:33:16
  live peacefully in a place like that when there is evidence of
• 1:33:23
  like ne'er do wells. Because if I hear if I hear a
• 1:33:29
  fucking fox and it is a fox, my brain is not going to go to fox.
• 1:33:34
  It's going to be like, OK, cool. The Wendigo is on his rounds.
• 1:33:40
  Got to get the got to get the dogs inside.
• 1:33:43
  Or, you know, the skinwalkers are about town.
• 1:33:48
  Yeah. But like, I think, you know,
• 1:33:50
  growing up in places like this, you do, you know, it's, it's
• 1:33:53
  more often than not like it's a fucking fox or it's a cat that's
• 1:33:57
  in the heat. But out there, like, there's the
• 1:34:01
  there's the possibility it's something seriously worse.
• 1:34:04
  Yeah, I mean, like, I don't know if you've ever heard of like the
• 1:34:08
  Banshee. I don't know if you guys.
• 1:34:11
  I mean, I've heard of bit like banshees in general.
• 1:34:13
  Like the screaming, wailing woman.
• 1:34:16
  Yeah, so that that's a huge thing in in Ireland as well.
• 1:34:19
  And that's actually where the fox screaming got That's the
• 1:34:25
  common the. Oh wow, OK.
• 1:34:27
  Oh shit. Because it it sounds like a
• 1:34:30
  woman screaming and people have been like, oh, the banshee's
• 1:34:32
  around, like someone's going to die.
• 1:34:34
  It's a curse. It's actually just a fox being
• 1:34:36
  like I need to get. Fucked.
• 1:34:38
  Like, yeah. Literally exactly what that is.
• 1:34:43
  And I think it's like again, one day, no romantic.
• 1:34:45
  There is always something, but it's like I I completely get
• 1:34:50
  that. Like I understand that.
• 1:34:51
  And I guess like you're probably like more hardened.
• 1:34:55
  Like I mean, so my my grandmother and and things like
• 1:34:59
  that had like really like they were all in into witchcraft and
• 1:35:05
  and things like that. They were all like really weird.
• 1:35:08
  And there's a lot of things that like they teach you to look out
• 1:35:10
  for that. It's like, well, I don't, I
• 1:35:13
  can't really. But that doesn't apply here,
• 1:35:17
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:35:18
  I don't grow I you know what I mean?
• 1:35:19
  It was like the fucking you were born in like 1912.
• 1:35:24
  Like I don't we have St. lights now like.
• 1:35:27
  Yeah, there's no, there's no flickering of the oil candle.
• 1:35:33
  Yeah. Exactly.
• 1:35:35
  And you're like, oh, that's something like I see all these
• 1:35:38
  videos and stuff like as someone who like regularly just spells,
• 1:35:41
  like I do spells most nights in the week and it's like, can
• 1:35:46
  somebody read this spell for me? The candle did this.
• 1:35:49
  You bought a shitty fucking candle from.
• 1:35:51
  Amazon. Yeah, like that's why it's
• 1:35:54
  slicker in that way. That's whatever.
• 1:35:56
  Or say oh. It did this.
• 1:35:57
  It's just like, OK, like what? What windows in your home do you
• 1:36:00
  have open at the time of the spell?
• 1:36:02
  What angle are they to work like?
• 1:36:06
  But but Danny? But Danny, What if?
• 1:36:11
  Exactly what if? Exactly what if?
• 1:36:14
  Like, I again, like someone who practices witchcraft and fully
• 1:36:17
  believes that I believe in what I'm doing.
• 1:36:19
  Like, and I believe that they work because I've had undeniable
• 1:36:23
  evidence that they've worked. But at the same time, a flicker
• 1:36:27
  of a fucking candle or a weird sound that I've heard in my
• 1:36:31
  house that I've never necessarily heard before, that
• 1:36:35
  doesn't fucking mean that there's a ghost or a demon and
• 1:36:39
  there's someone who's fucking, you know what I mean?
• 1:36:41
  And I, I don't understand. You go with what you know.
• 1:36:46
  And it's like you just your logical brain.
• 1:36:49
  I think especially if you are a spiritual person or a witch or
• 1:36:54
  anyone who does anything like that, I think it's so important
• 1:36:56
  to follow your logical brain or you're going to slip into
• 1:36:59
  spiritual psychosis. You.
• 1:37:02
  You just. Are if you think that
• 1:37:04
  everything's assigned like you're, you're living out of
• 1:37:06
  reality at. That point you're.
• 1:37:08
  Like you know what I mean? And I think I get the parallel
• 1:37:14
  between like, I guess like I want to say like regular and
• 1:37:19
  Appalachia is because obviously scientifically it's completely
• 1:37:24
  fucking different so that it is all they know.
• 1:37:28
  I think it is a complete different thing.
• 1:37:30
  And I think if, like someone who lived in Appalachia all their
• 1:37:32
  lives that they heard something that we would even consider
• 1:37:35
  mundane here, they would be like, no, that's a sign of the
• 1:37:40
  fucking like. End of times.
• 1:37:43
  Yeah, Antichrist coming. Spirits are arising.
• 1:37:47
  But I mean, OK, so how do you how do you just fun exercise
• 1:37:52
  here. Not that we're going to solve
• 1:37:58
  mysteries. Yeah, mysteries, whatever.
• 1:38:00
  But I mean, how do you mundane over magic?
• 1:38:05
  Flatter than Freda's crushed skulls, drained of blood?
• 1:38:12
  Probably a person, right? Probably somebody who is very
• 1:38:17
  into the occult would kill something in that manner because
• 1:38:21
  that is the thing. Like there are people who
• 1:38:23
  practice witchcraft. And what's it?
• 1:38:25
  It's just like a a terrible prank, like, oh, let me like not
• 1:38:29
  a. Prank.
• 1:38:29
  I don't think it's a prank. I think they're probably doing
• 1:38:32
  something like that to serve in rituals for whoever they want
• 1:38:37
  to. I don't think he would do it.
• 1:38:40
  But why crush a goat's head? Why not just let his throat?
• 1:38:44
  So this is the thing. So I'm very much so I am into
• 1:38:50
  demonology, right? And we that's fine.
• 1:38:54
  That's fine. That's fine, I will prick my
• 1:38:58
  finger for blood because blood is currency when it comes to
• 1:39:02
  magic, right? Especially when you're dealing
• 1:39:03
  with demons. But my stakes are very fucking
• 1:39:08
  low. Like I'm asking for like, you
• 1:39:12
  know, favour at work. I'm asking for a fucking like,
• 1:39:15
  can you get rid of this? Is it like I, you know what I
• 1:39:17
  mean? It's tiny things that I'm asking
• 1:39:19
  for. Yeah.
• 1:39:21
  But in demon worship and things like that, so you have like the
• 1:39:26
  likes of so I don't know if you've heard of like Bohemian
• 1:39:29
  Grove, which is very much like a real publicized thing.
• 1:39:34
  No, it's so CE OS politicians, all of this.
• 1:39:39
  It's like a secret society, not so secret, but like they all
• 1:39:44
  join. They have these meetings under
• 1:39:45
  this. I don't actually know what demon
• 1:39:48
  it is that they worship, but it is a demon.
• 1:39:50
  They have an effigy they. Do.
• 1:39:52
  All of this stuff, but it's all like so I don't know if you've
• 1:39:56
  seen the horror movie Late Night with the Devil.
• 1:40:00
  No. So it's.
• 1:40:04
  On Prime, it's a really good movie.
• 1:40:05
  It's like basically it goes into like Bohemian Grove and all that
• 1:40:11
  stuff. It wasn't financed by any big
• 1:40:16
  Hollywood producers because they were like, no, we're not
• 1:40:18
  touching it because you're talking about Bohemian Grove.
• 1:40:20
  It was all independently financed.
• 1:40:22
  So basically it's all like, you know, anyway, Long story short,
• 1:40:27
  we'll just get to it. The bigger the stakes, so the
• 1:40:30
  more that you're looking for, the more you have to provide.
• 1:40:34
  Yeah. So like so like more more
• 1:40:36
  violence to to please that which you are asking for.
• 1:40:41
  And you always have this thing of, like, human sacrifice, child
• 1:40:44
  sacrifice. That is very much real, yeah.
• 1:40:46
  Yeah. I mean, whether I like whether
• 1:40:49
  the whether the consequences of the sacrifices are real.
• 1:40:53
  I know that the sacrifices happen.
• 1:40:56
  Like there are people who believe if you take a boy in the
• 1:40:59
  woods with the red shirts, you know your cave will be fine.
• 1:41:04
  Exactly. They're like they're keeping you
• 1:41:06
  you're you're fed. But yeah, it's things like that
• 1:41:09
  and it's like you kind of just like another thing.
• 1:41:13
  I I, I say this on every every episode, every episode.
• 1:41:18
  But demons are very, very transactional.
• 1:41:21
  And if you want something and you're like, here's what I'm
• 1:41:26
  offering, can I have this? They'll either not do it or
• 1:41:29
  they'll take it and I'll do it. And people tend to think like
• 1:41:33
  especially like in witchcraft, they're like, oh, I owe my soul
• 1:41:36
  to the semen. You don't.
• 1:41:38
  If you're offering them something and they don't want
• 1:41:40
  it, they just won't do it. But if you're offering something
• 1:41:45
  like fucking huge, like child sacrifice, like you're
• 1:41:48
  bloodletting, like things like that, they'll probably give you
• 1:41:53
  what you want because you're asking for it.
• 1:41:56
  Big. Yeah, you're making, you're
• 1:41:58
  making payment with a tip. Yeah.
• 1:42:00
  And a lot of that is you will see like so failed CE OS and
• 1:42:07
  things like that. There are mass suicides.
• 1:42:12
  The higher up you are in business, the more likely it is
• 1:42:16
  that you're going to commit suicide.
• 1:42:17
  Yeah, because at like the whole theory is if you are, if you do
• 1:42:23
  practice demonometry and you're you're you're consistently
• 1:42:28
  giving and providing and you're doing whatever for this demon,
• 1:42:31
  and then you just stop doing it. They're just like, Nah, well,
• 1:42:34
  fuck you then. Yeah, you are.
• 1:42:37
  You go bankrupt. You're not getting enough
• 1:42:39
  clients. You're they just take the
• 1:42:41
  blessing away from you. Yeah, like it's that simple.
• 1:42:45
  But I feel like the more you promise the.
• 1:42:50
  More they expect. Liver yeah, and, and, and that's
• 1:42:53
  how it kind of fucking works in that way.
• 1:42:57
  Why were we talking about this? But like, no, to me, like, I've
• 1:43:04
  never had anything like go wrong, I guess because I've
• 1:43:09
  always been like, so like, I think the basic things that you
• 1:43:12
  can like promise a demon so when you're doing a ritual with a
• 1:43:15
  demon is you can promise them something like.
• 1:43:18
  Sorry, for example, if I'm just like, if I go to Asmodeus,
• 1:43:26
  right, demon of like lust and sex and things like that, right?
• 1:43:28
  Well, just for example, and I'm like, I want to get cracked the
• 1:43:33
  weekend and I and I if I like, I promise if I get cracked at the
• 1:43:38
  weekend, I will say your name during right fine, you'll
• 1:43:44
  probably get that. And if you don't say it during
• 1:43:47
  I. Just want to say if I'm if I'm
• 1:43:49
  cracking and a girl pipes up as modius, I am packing my bags.
• 1:43:55
  I am the cracking ends. But it's interesting, it's.
• 1:44:03
  It's things like that, right? So I work really well with
• 1:44:06
  Belisle, right? He's my boy, I love him.
• 1:44:09
  I have. There's not one thing he said no
• 1:44:12
  to me for. He is how I got the job at my
• 1:44:16
  current job that I'm obviously not going to say I have.
• 1:44:21
  Don't you work at the zoo Zoo? Yeah, at the zoo that I work at,
• 1:44:25
  like and I do or shows with him where I'm like, and this is
• 1:44:28
  probably spiritual psychosis, obviously, like I'm fucking
• 1:44:31
  mental, but his thing, right? And I know.
• 1:44:36
  So in our building, Justin lives in the same building, so he'll
• 1:44:40
  be able to corroborate this. They've recently like replaced
• 1:44:44
  our like sprinkler heads and stuff, right?
• 1:44:48
  So the fire alarm thing is a lot more sensitive, right?
• 1:44:56
  Yeah. So I was setting off the fire
• 1:44:59
  alarm a lot more than normal. That's like fuck.
• 1:45:02
  Like I have to fucking figure this out.
• 1:45:04
  So I figured out a way to fold the papers that it doesn't
• 1:45:10
  actually create any smoke and it burns like really fast and low,
• 1:45:15
  right? I've been able to do that
• 1:45:17
  fucking absolutely fine. You fold it like an accordion
• 1:45:21
  and like, I don't know how it works.
• 1:45:23
  It traps oxygen. I don't know, it just burns.
• 1:45:26
  It just starts to burn and it burns all the way down.
• 1:45:28
  Piezoelectromagnetic sphere. Exactly that, right?
• 1:45:33
  So anytime I'm doing a spell I'll like read my petition, I'll
• 1:45:36
  fold it that way and I'll burn it and it's fine when I do a
• 1:45:40
  spell with beliel. Every fucking.
• 1:45:44
  Time the firearm goes off every fucking time.
• 1:45:48
  Wow, I'm like, it's just you, like it's just you.
• 1:45:53
  And I've, I've felt things like, you know, hands on my shoulders
• 1:45:57
  and stuff, but my first thought is I'm fucking off my meds.
• 1:46:01
  It's you know what I mean? It's not, there's nothing in the
• 1:46:05
  fucking room with me. And like, that's where I'm going
• 1:46:07
  with that. But there is also things like I
• 1:46:11
  can do a ritual with any other fucking thing and never set the
• 1:46:17
  alarm off. But every time with this guy and
• 1:46:20
  the same paper, the same paper from the same notebook.
• 1:46:23
  So it's not. Like the same technique.
• 1:46:26
  Yeah, and it's the same fault, the same.
• 1:46:28
  Whatever. It's just the sky.
• 1:46:29
  But would you, I think the the question that the listeners want
• 1:46:32
  to know, because I want to know is would you do one of your
• 1:46:38
  rituals in the woods, at night, in the mountains?
• 1:46:44
  That's fucking See, that's crazy talk.
• 1:46:47
  That's crazy talk. I do.
• 1:46:48
  Too, I mean I feel and again, like I feel like if I drove I'd
• 1:46:54
  probably be I, I'd be dead by now a 100% because I'm just like
• 1:47:01
  I like my old best friend like we don't really hang out that
• 1:47:04
  much anymore because she got a boyfriend so I don't exist.
• 1:47:09
  But we would go to we, we like made a point all like not last
• 1:47:15
  summer, the summer before to visit a bunch of abandoned
• 1:47:18
  asylums because I was really into Irbex.
• 1:47:22
  If you follow me on Instagram, you probably know, like I've, I,
• 1:47:24
  I just love taking pictures like abandoned places and stuff.
• 1:47:28
  And we went to like a few different asylums and things
• 1:47:30
  like that. And like we experienced some
• 1:47:32
  like weird, like I guess some weird energy because people like
• 1:47:36
  places like that just carry people's energy for years and
• 1:47:40
  years to come, especially if it's like that heavy.
• 1:47:43
  Also the asbestos. Yeah, it's like in the paint.
• 1:47:46
  It's the lead. Legit like.
• 1:47:49
  It's it's, it's not that bad. But yeah, like, I think like,
• 1:47:57
  and you should come back up when we finish the episode, by the
• 1:47:58
  way, to do a Ouija board, because I know that you're
• 1:48:00
  excited. To do it.
• 1:48:01
  I am fucking doing that tonight. I'm going to process the
• 1:48:04
  skinwalkers later. So basically, Justin really
• 1:48:08
  wants to try a Ouija board now. I normally use like cards when
• 1:48:13
  I'm doing my divination. Ouija boards aren't as sinister
• 1:48:18
  as people think that they are. I just don't trust you not to
• 1:48:21
  move the token. I don't have you can do it by
• 1:48:24
  yourself. I I will sit and not have my
• 1:48:27
  hands on it. Like honestly, because I, I
• 1:48:32
  think they're bullshit. That's that's me, right?
• 1:48:36
  I don't think they're real. So what I think my theory behind
• 1:48:40
  it is when you put your fingers onto that planchet, right?
• 1:48:45
  And people are like, but it moves it definitely.
• 1:48:47
  Your pulse is in your fingers and you're moving this very
• 1:48:53
  delicate piece of wood. Danny, if I take a piece of
• 1:48:57
  paper and I put my finger on it, my pulse isn't going to move the
• 1:49:02
  piece of paper. Yeah, but you're not supposed to
• 1:49:04
  hold it so hard. Like you're not pushing down on
• 1:49:06
  it, you're placing it on it and I guarantee you it will move
• 1:49:11
  because you're. I am super willing to record.
• 1:49:17
  You can put it on your Instagram, you can record me
• 1:49:20
  doing it and I will do you. Believe in the Ouija board.
• 1:49:31
  I'm going to invoke my right to remain silent here.
• 1:49:35
  So what are what? What is your like ideal What?
• 1:49:40
  What is your goal from doing a Ouija board?
• 1:49:45
  I mean just to see if there's any response.
• 1:49:49
  There will be a response. There absolutely will be a
• 1:49:52
  response, but. It's.
• 1:49:56
  Yeah, because I don't think that you get a good read on it.
• 1:49:59
  I think it it takes more out of your physical body.
• 1:50:04
  I'm just saying I will not, I will not move it or manipulate
• 1:50:09
  it intentionally whatsoever. And if that thing moves, then
• 1:50:14
  I'm joining a cult. He will move.
• 1:50:16
  I'm joining a cult. I'll join a cult, right?
• 1:50:20
  So the thing about region boards is right, The reason I think
• 1:50:23
  they're bullshit is because it's too much.
• 1:50:29
  It's too much to ask of something because you're always
• 1:50:33
  asking it for it. Like you can't just be like it's
• 1:50:35
  something here and then it'll pull UTS.
• 1:50:37
  Yeah, it might pull UTS because there might be something there.
• 1:50:40
  I don't think that's bullshit. I think that's it.
• 1:50:42
  I don't think you can get a clear answer from something.
• 1:50:46
  I'm not going to ask for the the Lotto numbers, I just want to So
• 1:50:50
  what? The new.
• 1:50:52
  Board that I bought, right I, I've, I have had an experience
• 1:50:56
  with it, but I relate that exactly back to Belio, the demon
• 1:51:02
  that I work with right 'cause I use it as divination.
• 1:51:04
  So you're gonna use it as like I use it the same as I use tarot
• 1:51:07
  cards. You can just ask the question.
• 1:51:09
  So it did a spell and then I asked right so the fire alarm
• 1:51:15
  going off, I was like for fuck's sake.
• 1:51:17
  So in my head that's always like, it cuts the ritual and I'm
• 1:51:21
  like. Yeah.
• 1:51:22
  He just doesn't want the wine. I got him.
• 1:51:23
  He doesn't want whatever. So I was like, fucking hell,
• 1:51:26
  reset everything, did it again. And then I asked the Ouija board
• 1:51:29
  because I was like, fuck it, I just got it, let's see if this
• 1:51:31
  works. Divination, pull the board
• 1:51:34
  around. And I was like, have you
• 1:51:35
  accepted the offer? It pulled me TS.
• 1:51:38
  They they are moving out, then I'm moving out, right?
• 1:51:42
  And I was like, yeah, but again, I don't know if it's my
• 1:51:44
  subconscious. It's the pulse in my fingers.
• 1:51:47
  I don't. I'm mundane over magic, right?
• 1:51:49
  Mundane over magic, right So I was like don't know and then I
• 1:51:53
  like pulled it back to the to the base and I was just like OK,
• 1:51:57
  and I was like, can I have a time frame of when this is going
• 1:52:02
  to work If you have accepted the offer basically and it pulled.
• 1:52:06
  Me to. TONKO no like to know really
• 1:52:17
  fast to know. And I was just like the fuck
• 1:52:21
  Tonk, no, what the fuck does that mean?
• 1:52:25
  So I was Googling it and I was like ritual Tonk in response.
• 1:52:31
  Nothing, nothing Reddit, our good hero Reddit.
• 1:52:37
  And I was like ritual with Belial Tonk in response.
• 1:52:43
  And then apparently that's his go to is Tonk.
• 1:52:48
  So it's really expensive to actually try and get Tonka beans
• 1:52:53
  in bulk, but they're very, very much the best herb to use for
• 1:52:59
  Wish manifestation. Oh wow.
• 1:53:01
  OK, so to pull to Tonk, TONK and then no is basically you've done
• 1:53:08
  the magic, you've done the Tonk no response.
• 1:53:13
  Fuck you. I've heard you leave me alone.
• 1:53:15
  And I was like, that could so easily just be gibberish.
• 1:53:21
  Yeah, so easily. I just, I think if I don't
• 1:53:26
  really care about where it goes, if it goes somewhere, I'm
• 1:53:31
  converted. This is the thing.
• 1:53:34
  So it's like when I was doing it, it's not like a case of like
• 1:53:37
  it just goes in the One Direction.
• 1:53:38
  It was like this and then back over here, and then here and
• 1:53:43
  then all the way up. Here.
• 1:53:45
  Yeah, maybe the spirits I'm talking to had their hands
• 1:53:47
  chopped off building staircase. I don't know.
• 1:53:49
  I don't care about that. I just like if it fucking moves
• 1:53:52
  more than 3mm. You're a semi believer then.
• 1:53:56
  I am. Skeptic, but you're open.
• 1:54:01
  I'm I'm it's the what if? It's always the with me.
• 1:54:05
  It's the fucking what if. Like I don't know everything.
• 1:54:08
  I do not know everything all. Right, we'll.
• 1:54:12
  We'll get back to the Moon Eye people, which apparently are
• 1:54:15
  real and. I don't know anything about.
• 1:54:18
  Them, I want them to be right, so the moon.
• 1:54:20
  Yeah, what if? Have you heard the term Tommy
• 1:54:24
  Knockers? Is it tits?
• 1:54:26
  Do you have Tommy Knockers? I wish, but no, Tommy Knockers
• 1:54:30
  are basically right. So there there is a whole thing
• 1:54:33
  we'll get into. Apparently this myth is inspired
• 1:54:37
  by the Welsh people, miners. So basically it is tiny little
• 1:54:43
  people that work in the Appalachian Mountains during the
• 1:54:48
  day, but you're not allowed to look at them.
• 1:54:50
  That's the that's the deal that they have.
• 1:54:53
  And then you hideaway, you don't look at them.
• 1:54:55
  And then you get all of your your construction work done
• 1:55:00
  because of like some fucking. Yeah, well, because they're shy.
• 1:55:04
  I don't know. So basically the Cherokee had a
• 1:55:07
  rule about the quote UN quote little people.
• 1:55:11
  The rule was do not watch. So when Cherokee families woke
• 1:55:15
  at dawn, sometimes their cornfields would be completely
• 1:55:18
  cleared, stocks gathered and neat bundles rose.
• 1:55:25
  Weeded. With surgical precision, it
• 1:55:27
  looked like an entire workforce had laboured through the hours
• 1:55:30
  of darkness. And there was a price for the
• 1:55:33
  midnight help. Absolute.
• 1:55:35
  Secrecy in regard to who was doing it.
• 1:55:40
  I know I'm not going to read this in an Appalachian accent.
• 1:55:43
  Because it's really long. But they come near a house that
• 1:55:47
  night, and the people inside hear them talking, but they must
• 1:55:50
  not go out, wrote Lucius Lee Lewis, author of The Secrets and
• 1:55:55
  Mysteries of the Cherokee Little People.
• 1:55:58
  The Cherokee called them the Little People.
• 1:56:00
  European settlers gave them a different name that captured
• 1:56:03
  their most unsettling characteristic.
• 1:56:06
  They call them the Moonlight People.
• 1:56:11
  Weird little bastards. Basically is is is what I would
• 1:56:15
  have called them. So hunters who glimpsed the
• 1:56:18
  little people at work found stones hurled at them as they
• 1:56:22
  walked home. And families who spied on the
• 1:56:25
  nocturnal visitors discovered their cornfields left unattended
• 1:56:29
  and their corn withered where it had been blessed previously.
• 1:56:36
  The respect these little guys demanded was absolute.
• 1:56:39
  Cherokee tradition taught that when a hunter found anything in
• 1:56:44
  the woods, a knife, a trinket, an object that might belong to
• 1:56:48
  the underground dwellers, he must say aloud, Little people, I
• 1:56:52
  want to take this because without permission, the
• 1:56:56
  consequences were swift and unmistakable.
• 1:57:01
  OK, but if the rule was for them not to be seen, how did they
• 1:57:08
  know what they looked like? Get to it.
• 1:57:13
  But what? What is your immediate thought
• 1:57:15
  of this? Fairies got to be fairies.
• 1:57:23
  I so notoriously on this podcast, because you haven't
• 1:57:27
  listened myself and Justy are very much anti fairy.
• 1:57:32
  So that's an it's an Irish thing to be anti fairy.
• 1:57:34
  You're anti. Fairy.
• 1:57:36
  Yes. So.
• 1:57:37
  Not. Fairy, Fairy.
• 1:57:38
  They are different things. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:57:42
  So they will trick you into thinking they're these like cute
• 1:57:45
  little fucking things that like would do home.
• 1:57:48
  They're running by mates of the fucking forest.
• 1:57:50
  They are tiny little. Demons.
• 1:57:53
  Demons that will poison your crops, RIP you apart.
• 1:57:56
  They can like make your lives hell.
• 1:58:00
  They are also changelings. So you can have a baby and then
• 1:58:07
  they'll steal the baby, replace the baby with one of them and
• 1:58:13
  then kill your whole family. It's it's a whole thing.
• 1:58:15
  There's things called like fae traps or people like.
• 1:58:18
  Oh my God, look. A fairy door.
• 1:58:20
  It's a fae. They're demons.
• 1:58:21
  They're tiny little demons. They kill entire fucking like,
• 1:58:27
  what's the word? I'm looking for herds.
• 1:58:29
  Herds of cattle, I guess. Yeah.
• 1:58:33
  And there is a bunch of shit that you do in Ireland to not
• 1:58:36
  piss these guys off. So when you say, when you say
• 1:58:38
  you and just you're anti fae, you believe in them, you just
• 1:58:41
  don't like them, Yeah. OK.
• 1:58:43
  Yeah, so fae because they're they're so and you know, like
• 1:58:48
  there's like a whole thing in like Ireland.
• 1:58:51
  I don't know if you have it over here in the UKI say you you're
• 1:58:54
  not even from the UKI don't know if they have it from the UK, but
• 1:58:58
  there's like it's specifically around Christmas.
• 1:59:02
  They're called like fairy doors and it's like you buy them when
• 1:59:07
  you fit them on the skirt and board.
• 1:59:09
  I've seen I've I've actually seen ones built out in public.
• 1:59:15
  In England, yeah, Yeah. And you're like, you're, you're
• 1:59:18
  basically inviting a demon into your home.
• 1:59:22
  You've got no protection spells in place, you've got no wards
• 1:59:26
  up. You've got nothing.
• 1:59:28
  Like I can take it in here obviously, because like you've
• 1:59:31
  been in my apartment, those jars on on my thing, they're like
• 1:59:36
  they're wards. I've got wards all over this
• 1:59:38
  house that protect my energy and stuff.
• 1:59:40
  So I could probably like. Put a little.
• 1:59:42
  Fairy door in, it'd be fine, but if you don't know what you're
• 1:59:46
  inviting into, like to put a door, an extra door at all into
• 1:59:52
  your home, it's just symbolic of of bringing bad energy in.
• 1:59:57
  Yeah, I mean there's, there's logic to that.
• 1:59:59
  Yeah, and it's, it's it's ridiculous.
• 2:00:03
  But like, the fae are like kind of notorious for being trick
• 2:00:08
  serious because people think that they're so cute and they're
• 2:00:10
  so small and they're like, oh, like, you know.
• 2:00:13
  They're not, they're evil little fucking tiny demons, but these
• 2:00:16
  guys are not the Fay. So these guys are basically
• 2:00:20
  like. They're they're they're helpers,
• 2:00:22
  not harmers. Yes, but they also don't want to
• 2:00:26
  be perceived, which sounds exactly.
• 2:00:28
  Like me. Like a small little person,
• 2:00:33
  he'll be there, but I don't want you to fucking like look at.
• 2:00:37
  Me and. Yeah, let me let.
• 2:00:39
  Me just do my thing. Yeah, I'm, I'm over here just
• 2:00:42
  fucking like literally, I imagine these guys like the moon
• 2:00:46
  phase guys as just IT guys, just like.
• 2:00:49
  They are spiritual IT guys. Legit like we're just we'll,
• 2:00:53
  we'll take like we'll take control of your PC not.
• 2:00:57
  Turning my camera on. Just shut up for a second.
• 2:01:02
  Like that's how I see them. But anyway, so they respect
• 2:01:08
  these little guys demand. There was absolutely Turkey
• 2:01:10
  tradition, blah blah blah. If you saw anything, you have to
• 2:01:14
  be like, can I take this? Otherwise they're like, no, I'll
• 2:01:17
  kill your whole fucking family. So in 1797, this is the first
• 2:01:25
  kind of this is we're going far back.
• 2:01:27
  Botanist Benjamin Smith Barton published the first written
• 2:01:31
  account of the Moon Eyed People, citing Colonel Leonard Marbury,
• 2:01:35
  an intermediary between the Cherokee and the US.
• 2:01:39
  Barton wrote. The Cherokee tell us that when
• 2:01:45
  they first came to the country, they found it inhabited by a
• 2:01:49
  small eyed people who could not see the daytime.
• 2:01:55
  These wretches they expelled. So that explains a lot of
• 2:02:00
  questions. Basically because the Brits do
• 2:02:02
  love to expel anyone who was already there.
• 2:02:08
  These are the same little helpful people who gathered corn
• 2:02:13
  or something different. I guess maybe a previous
• 2:02:16
  population that were driven out by Cherokee expansion.
• 2:02:20
  I don't know. Who knows?
• 2:02:21
  So the stories seem to describe two different groups with
• 2:02:25
  potentially similar characteristics, Small stature,
• 2:02:28
  nocturnal habits, characteristics which are small
• 2:02:32
  stature, and eyes that function better in darkness than lights.
• 2:02:39
  So for example, they only do the work on the corn at night, which
• 2:02:42
  is really fucking weird. Physical evidence then emerged
• 2:02:48
  in unexpected places. In the 1840s, farmer Felix
• 2:02:52
  Ashley discovered a three foot tall soapstone statue 60 miles
• 2:02:57
  from the Georgia mountains. The sculpture depicted 2
• 2:03:01
  entwined figures with Oval heads and large Crescent shaped eyes.
• 2:03:06
  So basically how we see aliens now, like they call them greys.
• 2:03:12
  Yeah yeah, yeah. Like the the traditional
• 2:03:14
  whatever exactly matching the attributed moonlight people.
• 2:03:22
  Today, the statue sits in the Cherokee County Historical
• 2:03:26
  Museum in Murphy, NC. So this is a real statue.
• 2:03:30
  You can look it up, it's still there.
• 2:03:32
  But so the the statue is a depiction of what they think the
• 2:03:35
  moon eyed people look like. Yeah, Google it for me right
• 2:03:39
  now. I want to see your reaction.
• 2:03:41
  The thing is I'm still not understanding is how do how do
• 2:03:45
  they see them? They found the statue so Google
• 2:03:48
  for me Cherokee County Museum and it should.
• 2:03:54
  Be. Called, I guess, moon eye
• 2:03:57
  people. Yeah, and Murphy, I can see it.
• 2:04:00
  I mean, it looks, it looks like a little person with a indented
• 2:04:05
  face. But I mean, I'm assuming that
• 2:04:08
  the Cherokees made the statue. Apparently it was the actual
• 2:04:14
  Moonlight people themselves that made it.
• 2:04:15
  Oh, OK. Well, that mean that's OK.
• 2:04:19
  So more discoveries followed. In 1882, the Cherokee Phoenix
• 2:04:24
  detailed the excavation of three burying grounds near Sparta, TN
• 2:04:30
  containing skeletons of extremely small statured people,
• 2:04:34
  the longest measuring only 19 inches, which is tiny.
• 2:04:40
  Several showed adult teeth. Worn down with age, suggesting
• 2:04:46
  full lifespans despite their diminutive body size.
• 2:04:50
  So they had like literally teeth the size of like a human, but
• 2:04:55
  they were tiny. And helping with crops.
• 2:05:02
  Basically, bodies haven't been interred in stone coffin.
• 2:05:06
  Oh, bodies had been interned, sorry.
• 2:05:08
  In stone coffins alongside items possibly made from shells.
• 2:05:15
  These tiny little sons of bitches, they're so cute.
• 2:05:20
  Yeah. Like are you trying?
• 2:05:22
  What are some? No record exists of what
• 2:05:26
  happened to these remains, but the discovery feeds speculation
• 2:05:30
  that the Moonlight people represented A distinct
• 2:05:33
  population with unusual physical characteristics compared to
• 2:05:37
  other people. Well fucking duh.
• 2:05:40
  Fort Manden in northern Georgia is the most substantial evidence
• 2:05:45
  within 8, 185 foot zigzagging Stonewall that archaeologists
• 2:05:51
  estimate was built between 500 and 1500 AD.
• 2:05:56
  The wall lacks defensive characteristics.
• 2:06:00
  It's too low for protection, there's no water source, it's
• 2:06:04
  poor strategic positioning, and it suggests that it was
• 2:06:08
  ceremonial rather than for military purposes.
• 2:06:12
  Most people built walls for military purposes, so yeah,
• 2:06:17
  they're. Yeah.
• 2:06:20
  Emmanuel Short, a park manager at Fort Mountain State, says
• 2:06:24
  that it's one of the reasons why people visit every day to ask
• 2:06:27
  about the Moon Eye people and the legend.
• 2:06:30
  A historical marker at the site credits the Moon Eye people and
• 2:06:34
  the wall with the walls construction, but Short notes
• 2:06:38
  that archaeological. Exposition.
• 2:06:42
  I'm so drunk. Excavations have revealed a few
• 2:06:47
  clues about the actual builders, but yeah, that's just
• 2:06:51
  speculating. So what?
• 2:06:52
  What do you think? I mean, it's like it's one of
• 2:06:58
  those things where I think back to the origin, right?
• 2:07:03
  And if there was a group of people who were observing that
• 2:07:11
  some of their manual labour tasks, be it, you know, doing
• 2:07:16
  the the crops or planting or any sort of like maintenance work
• 2:07:22
  was being done by someone that they either like either no one
• 2:07:28
  was owning up to the work or they didn't know who it was.
• 2:07:32
  Like why would someone do that anyway?
• 2:07:34
  Yeah, yeah. Like some, you know, it's like,
• 2:07:38
  it's one thing to be like, OK, dogs are being kidnapped and
• 2:07:40
  their blood's being drained. Like, there's a reason why
• 2:07:42
  someone would drain blood. Who the fuck is just Good
• 2:07:46
  Samaritan doing doing like harvesting?
• 2:07:51
  Yeah. So I don't know.
• 2:07:52
  I find it and I think I find it hard to, to get on board.
• 2:07:58
  Like, I think it's the thing about like the evidence.
• 2:08:00
  There's the only thing they've seen is like some of their work
• 2:08:04
  was done. And then there's the idea that
• 2:08:07
  it was done by little people. They're not doing it for fun.
• 2:08:11
  Yeah, they're not just like, look at this person's workload.
• 2:08:14
  Yeah, I can probably do that. Yeah.
• 2:08:16
  Yeah. Casually like.
• 2:08:18
  Honestly. We need 17 of us to hold up a
• 2:08:20
  spade, but fuck it, we'll get this done tonight.
• 2:08:24
  They're very similar to Tommy Knockers.
• 2:08:28
  So basically Tommy Knockers are a, again, they're like a, a
• 2:08:34
  spirit mostly Native American where they dwell in kind of
• 2:08:40
  mines and things like that. They're more a sign of danger.
• 2:08:45
  So it's like if you're in the, they kind of reported a lot.
• 2:08:49
  So if you visit these mines like ghost hunters and stuff like
• 2:08:52
  that and you hear like a that was notoriously a sound to get
• 2:08:59
  the fuck out of the mine because something was happening.
• 2:09:03
  And you would knock on this instrument that they had that
• 2:09:07
  would echo all throughout the mind to be like, guys, not save,
• 2:09:12
  get the fuck out, like something's going to happen.
• 2:09:17
  And so the little, the ghosts themselves are called Tommy
• 2:09:21
  Knockers. But like whatever, that's
• 2:09:26
  really, really common. That's another thing.
• 2:09:27
  But like they said that as well, there wouldn't be people manning
• 2:09:31
  these instruments, I guess that you would knock and it would be
• 2:09:36
  like a mountain spirit that would kind of be looking out for
• 2:09:41
  people. That would be like, that's not a
• 2:09:42
  safe point, get out of there. And like they'd all rush up and
• 2:09:46
  be like, who the fuck knocked the bell?
• 2:09:48
  And then it would be like nobody.
• 2:09:49
  Like there's been nobody there. We didn't assign anybody there.
• 2:09:51
  There's been nobody, You know what I mean?
• 2:09:54
  That is, I think a completely different thing to these little
• 2:09:57
  guys that who just tend to just want to fucking do shit for no
• 2:10:01
  money and and no acknowledgement.
• 2:10:05
  I mean, what a what a what a risky gamble like camping in
• 2:10:08
  Appalachian Mountains would because you're either going to
• 2:10:12
  get a skinwalker or Wendigo or some little dudes are going to
• 2:10:15
  help you pack up your campsite for the next morning.
• 2:10:18
  Exactly. I think, I think, I like,
• 2:10:20
  imagine like you'd be like, oh fuck, I have so much shit to do.
• 2:10:24
  I'll do it in the morning. And then to wake up and
• 2:10:26
  everything's neatly packed and you've got your lunch set
• 2:10:28
  waiting for you. Like thick, thick.
• 2:10:30
  Your fucking coffee is already on your little burner.
• 2:10:33
  I would fucking freak the fuck out.
• 2:10:36
  I mean that would freak me out more than like someone trying to
• 2:10:38
  kill me. Oh, I don't know about that,
• 2:10:40
  Danny. That says a lot about your
• 2:10:42
  psychological health. They.
• 2:10:43
  Would. I don't know.
• 2:10:45
  I don't know. It's like when a guy is like,
• 2:10:47
  like buys me flowers. I'm just like, what did you do?
• 2:10:50
  You're going to wear. Me as a.
• 2:10:51
  Yeah, what have you done wrong? Why are you saying?
• 2:10:53
  Something last story. We'll get to this, and this is
• 2:10:56
  very much my alley. I don't know if you've seen The
• 2:11:00
  Conjuring. I have.
• 2:11:02
  I love The Conjuring. Conjuring is one of my favorite
• 2:11:05
  fucking horror movies ever. I love it, I know, but I haven't
• 2:11:10
  I haven't seen it. Now we can do a whole new
• 2:11:13
  episode and if you want to join me and just see on that, you can
• 2:11:16
  on how Ed and Lorraine were fucking con artists and horrible
• 2:11:20
  people. But this is the story that very
• 2:11:27
  much inspired the first Conjuring movie.
• 2:11:32
  So Beth Sheba was her name in the movie, I think.
• 2:11:36
  I believe this is the Bell Witch, which is fucking great.
• 2:11:43
  And I love this and I think. It's like, I mean, I'm trying to
• 2:11:46
  because I think there's like been four of them or something,
• 2:11:48
  but is this the one with the woman and the kids?
• 2:11:52
  So yeah, it it's the original one.
• 2:11:54
  Yeah, the first one. So it was like it was the wish
• 2:11:56
  that was hung on the property. Yeah, there we go.
• 2:11:58
  Yeah, and then they move into it and then the second one was like
• 2:12:01
  the Enfield haunting. The third one was The Devil Made
• 2:12:05
  Me Do it, which is like the first ever exorcism.
• 2:12:11
  I think it was what basically they based the Exorcist movie
• 2:12:19
  on, yeah. And so they changed a bunch of
• 2:12:21
  things like. It was his one.
• 2:12:22
  Whatever. No, his name was like Ronald
• 2:12:25
  something. I don't know, Danny.
• 2:12:27
  I'm just throwing out names. Yeah.
• 2:12:29
  No, I know the Emily Rose one because that was true too.
• 2:12:31
  And I love that one. That was a Dexter's wife that
• 2:12:34
  was in that. That was a great movie.
• 2:12:37
  But yeah, so this is the first ever Conjuring movie.
• 2:12:41
  It was based. It's, it's based on the Bell
• 2:12:43
  Witch. But yeah.
• 2:12:44
  So in 1817, something started tormenting the Bell family in
• 2:12:52
  Robertson County, Tennessee. By 18/20, it had killed a father
• 2:12:56
  and become America's most famous ghost story.
• 2:13:01
  But there is obviously an issue. So almost everything we know
• 2:13:04
  about the story comes from a single source that obviously
• 2:13:10
  could be fucking fabricated so that that's why the warrants.
• 2:13:14
  Have such a yeah, yeah. And this one, I will, obviously
• 2:13:22
  I'll push back against it a little bit more because I have
• 2:13:24
  to, but it makes me feel more safe at night when I think that
• 2:13:28
  it's it's completely. So this all started in October
• 2:13:34
  1817, when John Bell was hunting on his property.
• 2:13:38
  His dogs, which had tracked Wildcats to Cumberland Woods,
• 2:13:42
  suddenly covered Coward. Behind him in his cornfield was
• 2:13:46
  something that looked like a dog with an oversized rabbit head
• 2:13:51
  and was watching him with intelligent eyes.
• 2:13:55
  OK. Belle fired his rifle and the
• 2:13:58
  creature vanished. By December, the sounds began
• 2:14:03
  every night after the family went to bed, so something moved
• 2:14:07
  the walls by their farmhouse, scratching and gnawing.
• 2:14:11
  It was a sound of invisible rats chewing through wood that showed
• 2:14:15
  up no damage in the morning. The noises followed A deliberate
• 2:14:18
  pattern, starting soft and building into a crescendo that
• 2:14:23
  would eventually shake his entire house.
• 2:14:26
  Now I have to pull this back to The Amityville Horror.
• 2:14:32
  Oh, the house, Yeah. A lot of this is, I don't know
• 2:14:37
  if you've heard the original kind of story of that the
• 2:14:41
  Lutz's. I'm with a Ryan Reynolds movie.
• 2:14:46
  Yes. So a lot of that was obviously
• 2:14:53
  it's like it's dramatized and stuff like that.
• 2:14:55
  But the original family who are seen now predominantly as like
• 2:15:01
  fucking grifters like that, they they made the whole thing up.
• 2:15:07
  They pulled a lot of their experiences from the from this.
• 2:15:12
  Yeah, yeah, in, you know, ages ago and that they couldn't like
• 2:15:16
  necessarily kind of prove anything.
• 2:15:19
  No, Granted, they did have, I don't want to say luxury, but
• 2:15:23
  they they did have the kind of element of there being a mass
• 2:15:27
  murder in the house. Yeah, but still a luxury for
• 2:15:31
  their story. Yeah.
• 2:15:33
  So, and it's things like that they polls that seem to be
• 2:15:36
  directly from this happening, which we'll get back into that.
• 2:15:44
  It goes all the way back to like the Salem witch trials and how
• 2:15:47
  people are like, oh, she's a fucking.
• 2:15:50
  They were basically drinking hemlock, which made everybody
• 2:15:52
  high as fuck. Yeah.
• 2:15:54
  So yeah. Anyway, mundane.
• 2:15:56
  Over magic, it's. Like the title of this whole
• 2:15:59
  episode. So Fast forward a little bit to
• 2:16:03
  January 1818. The 12 year old daughter.
• 2:16:06
  Betsy, what a. Cool Name woke up screaming with
• 2:16:11
  red welts across her face. Something invisible had slapped
• 2:16:16
  her hard enough to leave handprints on her cheek.
• 2:16:19
  After this, the attacks escalated.
• 2:16:22
  Her hair was pulled until she shrieked, pins driven into her
• 2:16:26
  skin, and her bed covers were ripped away in the freezing
• 2:16:30
  winter air at night. So that's kind of mean.
• 2:16:34
  This entity saved its worst treatment for John.
• 2:16:38
  He began to experience facial paralysis.
• 2:16:41
  His tongue swelled until he couldn't speak, and during
• 2:16:45
  meals, his throat would constrict without warning,
• 2:16:48
  forcing him to struggle for breath while the invisible
• 2:16:52
  presence seemed to watch with satisfaction.
• 2:16:54
  Now this is the 1800s. There's no such thing as allergy
• 2:17:01
  testing. Yeah, that's that's where my
• 2:17:05
  immediate thought goes to like they had hives.
• 2:17:08
  Yeah. There's there's.
• 2:17:09
  Something there that like you we can easily explain that away,
• 2:17:14
  but. What if?
• 2:17:17
  But what if? So where am I going with that?
• 2:17:23
  Multiple physicians check this guy out and had little to no
• 2:17:27
  medical explanation. Again, it's 1818, are they
• 2:17:32
  really going to like? Yeah, they were cracking open
• 2:17:35
  skulls for like, itchy knees. Legit like, oh, really?
• 2:17:41
  Like, you're, you know, you're limping a little bit this week.
• 2:17:43
  Fucking lobotomy. Yeah.
• 2:17:46
  Although to be fair right, I think I would benefit massively.
• 2:17:51
  From a lobotomy. I would love it.
• 2:17:54
  I would I would help you pay for it.
• 2:17:57
  I would like you can buy a home. So me and my friend Rhiannon.
• 2:18:02
  So she's she's also a witch. She's the she doesn't work with
• 2:18:05
  demons like I do. She's very much love and light,
• 2:18:07
  like, loves this podcast, by the way, Ray, So I'm not trying to
• 2:18:11
  shit on you. You can buy.
• 2:18:14
  So we went to this place called the Moratorium last week.
• 2:18:18
  Yeah, really fucking cool place near Newport.
• 2:18:22
  And it's this like married couple, I think they're into
• 2:18:26
  like their 50s or whatever and they just collect this weird
• 2:18:29
  shit and just show it off in their living room.
• 2:18:32
  It's it's really fucking cool and.
• 2:18:35
  Grifters. And yeah, like legit, like you
• 2:18:38
  pay what you pay. Like you can either pay £2.50
• 2:18:41
  entry or you can just buy something from the witch shop.
• 2:18:44
  So me and Ree just bought handles because we're both
• 2:18:47
  witches. Like we always need candles.
• 2:18:49
  It's fine. Like you know, I mean Ree is
• 2:18:51
  like ended up spending like fucking £80 shit she bought but
• 2:18:56
  whatever. I bought a new Ouija board.
• 2:18:58
  It's fine. So like we went in on the shit
• 2:19:02
  that they had is like fucking crazy.
• 2:19:05
  Like a lot of it is kind of something that you wouldn't
• 2:19:08
  really. I mean, like I collect things
• 2:19:10
  like that. They're back home in storage and
• 2:19:12
  Ireland now, but it's like wet specimens, like old things like
• 2:19:19
  that. But you can buy actual lobotomy
• 2:19:22
  kits for like £60 like the hammer and the thing like I will
• 2:19:29
  do, I'll do a free but it's like, and again, we can do a
• 2:19:36
  whole episode. And I felt like Rose Kennedy and
• 2:19:40
  her lobotomy, and the only reason that they gave her one is
• 2:19:44
  because she was a party girl. And I'm like, well, I qualify.
• 2:19:47
  I'm an outspoken woman. Could change could change the
• 2:19:52
  title of this podcast to Hocus Pocus?
• 2:19:54
  Tons of focus. But like they have that and they
• 2:19:58
  have like an actual so they have a bunch of weird shit.
• 2:20:03
  They have like old style of botomy tools that are like used.
• 2:20:07
  They have like an old like. Like cranium, it was called
• 2:20:13
  cranium saw. It's a saw that cuts the skull.
• 2:20:16
  Basically they had medicinal leeches and jars and stuff they
• 2:20:22
  had and then like so on the on their back wall of this museum,
• 2:20:25
  they had like Ouija boards and and all of them have been like
• 2:20:30
  sent in. So basically if you Google, I
• 2:20:33
  mean, he said this, I didn't Google it, but the guy who's who
• 2:20:36
  owns the place, apparently if you Google it and you're in
• 2:20:40
  Wales, the first thing that pops up is if you Google how to
• 2:20:44
  dispose of a Ouija board, it's send it to this dude.
• 2:20:47
  Oh wow. So like, and they have an attic
• 2:20:51
  in the home, that's all. So he told us that like, if you
• 2:20:54
  are disposing of a Ouija board, apparently if you give it to
• 2:20:58
  someone else, it's a blank slate.
• 2:21:00
  It just wipes it clean. So the whole wall was Ouija
• 2:21:04
  boards and there was one in the middle that was like charitably
• 2:21:07
  so this person had tried to burn it like so many times.
• 2:21:12
  All are in the sides. There was one in the middle.
• 2:21:15
  It was and he he was like, he was very much like me.
• 2:21:17
  He was like mundane over magic. He was like, no, it's just built
• 2:21:20
  with a very fucking specific type of resin.
• 2:21:22
  They just won't burn like he's, I don't think it's anything
• 2:21:25
  fucking special that it wouldn't burn, but whatever.
• 2:21:28
  Apparently he just showed up to the house wrapped in plastic
• 2:21:32
  bags with just his name and address on it.
• 2:21:34
  No, no, nothing. And he's had other people that
• 2:21:37
  have been like, hey, I'm going to send this to you because I
• 2:21:39
  don't want it in my house anymore.
• 2:21:41
  And I know that you collect this whatever.
• 2:21:44
  And like there's been like, there's one thing that I want to
• 2:21:48
  go back and buy it. I just couldn't afford it at the
• 2:21:50
  time because it was like £60, but it was like an actual like,
• 2:21:54
  medal given to the firefighters of Chernobyl at the time, who
• 2:21:58
  was like the first responders. And I was just like, that's
• 2:22:02
  fucking insane. He had one of those and I was
• 2:22:04
  like, £60 is not enough for that.
• 2:22:06
  But I am going to go back for that and like, save that because
• 2:22:10
  that's incredible. Yeah.
• 2:22:11
  I. Mean that's or you could spend
• 2:22:13
  £60 on the little bottom you get.
• 2:22:16
  I would rather the haunted Chernobyl medal.
• 2:22:21
  Fine, I'll buy to the bottom. He can.
• 2:22:25
  That and then it was like what else he had.
• 2:22:27
  Like there was a section from like the war.
• 2:22:30
  So it was like canned powdered milk.
• 2:22:34
  There was a gas mask. There was like cyanide pills.
• 2:22:40
  Just so much fucking cool shit that like they'd had that people
• 2:22:43
  have just sent them. And then there was like a A1
• 2:22:48
  like shelf and they had all the old dolls and stuff from the 70s
• 2:22:52
  and I turned and I was like, even Gollywog here somewhere,
• 2:22:55
  right? And he was like, well, yeah, but
• 2:22:57
  we can't actually fucking show that anymore.
• 2:22:59
  I don't. Even fucking know what a
• 2:23:01
  gollywog is. A gollywog is seen as racist
• 2:23:07
  nowadays. If you Google it, you can't.
• 2:23:09
  Google it. Go for it.
• 2:23:19
  I see. Yeah.
• 2:23:21
  So we can't actually. I understand.
• 2:23:24
  A very popular doll in like the 70s or whatever that that time.
• 2:23:30
  2000 and. Eight, 2008, they stopped.
• 2:23:34
  They only stopped in 2008. No, I was just saying.
• 2:23:38
  That oh, I was just like what? Anyway, so John John began to
• 2:23:45
  experience facial paralysis. His throat reconstrict without
• 2:23:49
  warning, forcing him to struggle to breath, yadda yadda yadda.
• 2:23:53
  By spring of 1818, the the entity had found a voice and it
• 2:24:00
  said ha ha spirit. Apparently.
• 2:24:08
  Apparently it sounded like a weak whisper of an old woman.
• 2:24:17
  How much misery have we been disturbed?
• 2:24:21
  That's apparently what was said. OK, let me see if I can do it.
• 2:24:26
  I can't. Like should I do an accent?
• 2:24:28
  I mean, if you don't, you have to.
• 2:24:30
  You have to do an old Appalachian woman.
• 2:24:34
  How much? How much?
• 2:24:40
  How much? No, she's not or whatever.
• 2:24:44
  How? If I do it all right, whatever.
• 2:24:47
  If I do it like how? Much misery we've been.
• 2:24:50
  I can do it like Cockney. I can't do anything else anyway.
• 2:24:55
  So. The voice grew stronger, goddamn
• 2:24:57
  it, with each conversation. Which it could.
• 2:25:02
  It would. It would quote scripture with
• 2:25:05
  scholarly precision and debate theology with visiting
• 2:25:10
  ministers. It's like the Luke Bell quote
• 2:25:14
  scripture to debate minister. The entity also demonstrated
• 2:25:20
  impossible knowledge. For example, it recited 2 demon
• 2:25:25
  sermons. Yeah, basically, like, just a
• 2:25:33
  bunch of fucking different, a different thing.
• 2:25:35
  The voice called itself Kate and claimed to be the spirit of Kate
• 2:25:40
  Bats when she was a neighbor that John Bell had disputed with
• 2:25:44
  over property transactions. But Kate Bats wasn't dead.
• 2:25:51
  Like, she was very much alive, and she's very much yeah.
• 2:25:57
  And Kate Bats would also, funnily enough, outlive John by
• 2:26:00
  like 30 years. So like it, it wasn't her.
• 2:26:04
  This was just an entity that was just like, I know who you hate
• 2:26:07
  more than anything and like, I'm going to be her.
• 2:26:11
  So James Johnson, our respected church elder and Belle's closest
• 2:26:17
  friend, stayed overnight to investigate.
• 2:26:21
  And his covers, his bed covers were slipped away.
• 2:26:26
  His. Face was slapped.
• 2:26:29
  And yeah, all of that shit. Where am I going with this?
• 2:26:36
  Not a good time. Not a good time.
• 2:26:38
  In desperation, then, John shouted in the name of the Lord,
• 2:26:42
  Who are you and what do you want?
• 2:26:44
  Silence answered. No, old lady Whisperers, nothing
• 2:26:47
  like that. And the rest of the night passed
• 2:26:49
  without incident. Word began to spread through
• 2:26:54
  Tennessee and hundreds of visitors descended on the bells.
• 2:27:00
  Curiosity seekers, ministers, physicians and scientists,
• 2:27:04
  geniuses all desperate to witness what newspapers called
• 2:27:08
  the wonder of the 19th century. So the this poor family of
• 2:27:15
  fucking troglodytes were basically being slapped and
• 2:27:19
  beaten and it was called the wonder of the fucking 19th
• 2:27:24
  century. But then what?
• 2:27:25
  Like all these people came and and they witnessed it.
• 2:27:28
  They they there was more things to see or there was nothing.
• 2:27:32
  They tried to, but like, this family isn't going to let them
• 2:27:35
  stay in their fucking house, you know what I mean?
• 2:27:37
  They're just basically swarmed around.
• 2:27:42
  So basically this spirit creature, whatever it was,
• 2:27:45
  seemed to love the attention that it was getting.
• 2:27:48
  It would apparently materialized fresh fruit from thin air, it
• 2:27:55
  sang drinking songs during prayer meetings, it's shared
• 2:27:58
  gossip about activities in other households, and sometimes it
• 2:28:02
  left mid conversation to investigate events miles before
• 2:28:08
  returning with detailed reports. So this is in the Belgium?
• 2:28:13
  I love her, she's a badass. So this thing.
• 2:28:17
  This thing was like a thing like it was like literally just like,
• 2:28:21
  Oh my God, did you guys hear this?
• 2:28:22
  I'll be right back and then to come back and like, Oh my God,
• 2:28:25
  right, So like that's so that that that would be me like if I
• 2:28:29
  like, what do you think that you would do if you were a ghost?
• 2:28:32
  Like if you were just bound to earth?
• 2:28:35
  What like what would? Am I bound to like an object?
• 2:28:37
  Am I bound to a person? You're bound to a home.
• 2:28:46
  I think I've like, I would just inconvenience them, you know?
• 2:28:53
  Like hide the keys, yeah. Hide the keys.
• 2:28:55
  Always take the left sock. Not that you know which one's
• 2:29:00
  the left one like. You're just so if.
• 2:29:03
  Someone goes to their drawer, there's always like one sock
• 2:29:06
  missing. They've bundled everything up,
• 2:29:08
  but there's one sock missing from the pair.
• 2:29:10
  Yeah. Like crack open a window in the
• 2:29:13
  dead of winter, change the thermostats like I'm going to be
• 2:29:18
  a mass inconvenience. I think like my thing is like if
• 2:29:25
  I so if I am haunting a place and there's a man present, I
• 2:29:29
  would be in the bathroom and one they're pissing and like holding
• 2:29:33
  their cock, I would shut them so the piss just goes everywhere.
• 2:29:38
  I mean that would be my. Thing you.
• 2:29:39
  You take them too far there. You.
• 2:29:41
  You. Why?
• 2:29:42
  You want to be, you want to make piss mess and I just want to.
• 2:29:47
  I want to just take their socks. No, I would want to.
• 2:29:50
  I would actually want. To exercise you, you, you
• 2:29:54
  immediately. Yeah, you're you're too.
• 2:29:55
  You're too Forthwith. I'm just there trying.
• 2:29:58
  Like they could blame my activities on each other, you
• 2:30:01
  know? I would, I would like literally
• 2:30:03
  I would be absolutely fine if it was like a woman that was living
• 2:30:06
  there. I would be like.
• 2:30:08
  Baby. Girl, you forgot your keys.
• 2:30:10
  Yeah, I'd be like, if you lost something, I'd be like, I'd be
• 2:30:14
  the one that, like, threw something across the room to be
• 2:30:16
  like, oh, you lost this, It's over here.
• 2:30:19
  I would be like, if it was the man, I would do everything to
• 2:30:23
  inconvenience that man. Like literally he'd, he'd get
• 2:30:26
  up. He'd be like, yeah, best day of
• 2:30:27
  work, whatever. He'd have a shower, get ready
• 2:30:31
  for work, he'd have socks on and then he'd like step out of his
• 2:30:33
  bedroom and there'd be just a puddle of water for no reason.
• 2:30:37
  He'd well a. Lot of a lot of man hating
• 2:30:39
  happening right now. I can oh absolutely.
• 2:30:41
  I'm feeling that animosity. I think like absolutely you
• 2:30:44
  could be a Casper. You could be like a friendly
• 2:30:46
  ghost like I would find it very convenient if.
• 2:30:50
  I'd be like, girl, is he bothering you?
• 2:30:52
  Like some woman moves in with her husband, they're very
• 2:30:55
  happily married and I'm just like, is he bothering you?
• 2:30:59
  I just need the girls to like water my plants me so I keep
• 2:31:02
  worrying about it just. Get artificial plants.
• 2:31:05
  My mom actually said that. I was like, I was going to say I
• 2:31:08
  would get artificial plants. And she was like, if you ever
• 2:31:11
  put artificial plants in my grave, I'll come back and haunt
• 2:31:13
  you. Yeah, that's.
• 2:31:14
  And she's dead now and I'm criminal.
• 2:31:16
  I'm so tempted to just put artificial just just just to.
• 2:31:20
  Hang out, hang out with your mum.
• 2:31:22
  Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'll be like, hey.
• 2:31:24
  And she like. What did I say?
• 2:31:26
  Like I'll just be like. Hellfire and I'm just like, hey
• 2:31:28
  girl, I don't know, let me finish this really quick.
• 2:31:31
  So basically, Kate, where am I going with this?
• 2:31:39
  So the creature seemed to love the attention that it was
• 2:31:41
  getting and materialized fresh air, blah blah, whatever.
• 2:31:43
  It would leave and then come back and be like, you'll never
• 2:31:46
  guess what? So like it was basically close
• 2:31:48
  to the family, but beneath the spectacle was a darker purpose.
• 2:31:52
  Kate, Kate, quote UN quote. The entity showed kindness.
• 2:31:57
  Only to Lucy. Bell the daughter, which, hey,
• 2:32:00
  like we were literally just saying, and she would call her
• 2:32:04
  the most perfect woman to walk the earth.
• 2:32:07
  And John Bell junior, John's son received crunching respect as in
• 2:32:14
  like she wouldn't do anything to him, but she also wouldn't help
• 2:32:17
  him. But Betsy enjoyed relentless
• 2:32:21
  psychological warfare designed to destroy her and her
• 2:32:27
  engagement to neighbor Joshua Gardner, a campaign that
• 2:32:32
  eventually succeeded. So basically this ghost, so the
• 2:32:37
  oldest daughter were shagging one of the neighbors and then
• 2:32:41
  the ghost broke them up. Yeah, so man hating.
• 2:32:45
  Yeah, me. So As for John Bell senior, the
• 2:32:49
  entity reserve the promise of death.
• 2:32:52
  Quite literally said I have come to killed old Jack Bell and it
• 2:32:57
  was Kate using a nickname only John Bell.
• 2:32:59
  Which all right, that's also bullshit because that's a really
• 2:33:03
  common nickname for John is Jack.
• 2:33:06
  Yeah. Which I don't think that's like
• 2:33:09
  a only his closest friends knew. It's like actually a really
• 2:33:12
  common. Like I have Uncle John.
• 2:33:14
  He was called Jack all his life. We have John Kennedy was called
• 2:33:17
  Jack. I don't think it's like a a
• 2:33:20
  thing. As months passed, then John Bell
• 2:33:24
  senior's health deteriorated. His facial paralysis worsened
• 2:33:28
  until his speech became slurred and mysterious seizures left him
• 2:33:33
  bedridden for days. On December 20th, 1820, John
• 2:33:37
  Bell Junior found his father unconscious with a small vial of
• 2:33:41
  dark liquid in the cupboard where no medicine had been
• 2:33:45
  placed. For some reason, they decided to
• 2:33:47
  test a drop on the family cat, and the animal died and
• 2:33:52
  convolves within seconds. So this, yeah, it's pretty bad
• 2:33:57
  at this moment. Then the Belle witch's voice
• 2:33:59
  filled the house with triumphant laughter.
• 2:34:02
  I gave old Jack a big dose of that last night, and he's fast
• 2:34:07
  asleep. I fixed him.
• 2:34:08
  Right. John Belselier died that
• 2:34:11
  afternoon, and his mourners gathered for his funeral.
• 2:34:14
  The entity sang body drinking songs.
• 2:34:18
  This is just me. OK.
• 2:34:24
  And laugh like a disrespectful asshole.
• 2:34:29
  Tennessee, as a result of this, became the only state to
• 2:34:32
  officially recognize a death caused by supernatural forces.
• 2:34:38
  Which again, they called her Bathsheba.
• 2:34:41
  It's not. It's just some fucking rude
• 2:34:43
  thing in the country. So basically there is a problem
• 2:34:46
  with the story. Every detail comes from Martin
• 2:34:49
  Van Buren. Yeah, one accounts.
• 2:34:52
  It comes from his 1894 book An Authenticated History of the
• 2:34:58
  Famous Bell Witch. So this is not.
• 2:35:04
  What's authenticated? Yeah.
• 2:35:06
  Yeah, basically. And it's not Van Buren like the
• 2:35:09
  fucking 8th president of the United States.
• 2:35:12
  It is just a different kind named Van Buren.
• 2:35:15
  So Ingram did claim to base his account on the diary of Richard
• 2:35:20
  William Bell, which was John's son.
• 2:35:23
  But Richard was only 6 years old and the haunting began.
• 2:35:27
  So 0% chance that he had a diary.
• 2:35:30
  And he yeah, he was probably making this shit up because.
• 2:35:34
  Yeah, whatever. So Ingram's credibility has
• 2:35:38
  serious issues. He's.
• 2:35:40
  Kind of a massive. Piece of shit.
• 2:35:44
  He had slaves, he had all of this.
• 2:35:47
  He was just not not a nice dude. And he then retracted an 1849
• 2:35:54
  article about Bell, which and basically under the accusation
• 2:36:02
  that none of his research could be cited.
• 2:36:06
  Yeah. He they were like, yeah, you
• 2:36:08
  just fucking made it up. So his account, It also included
• 2:36:14
  themes and anachronisms inappropriate for the 1817 to
• 2:36:20
  1821 period, which is pretty damning in itself.
• 2:36:24
  But most damning? Every person with direct
• 2:36:26
  knowledge of the true events was dead when Ingram began his
• 2:36:30
  research in the 1890s. So yeah, you know, see ya.
• 2:36:36
  He also made a bunch of shit up about Andrew Jackson and some
• 2:36:40
  guy using supernatural events as his campaign.
• 2:36:44
  Like an apocalyptic campaign. I don't know.
• 2:36:46
  So Andrew Jackson was a dodgy character in and of himself.
• 2:36:53
  Like he was not a nice dude. He very much believed in just
• 2:37:00
  like slavery, war, he was involved in the occult and
• 2:37:07
  things like that. He did go on to be president.
• 2:37:09
  I don't know how long he served for.
• 2:37:11
  I am not AUS history. Yeah, I don't really know.
• 2:37:16
  I know he was president at some point, but yeah, he apparently
• 2:37:23
  was into the occult and things like that.
• 2:37:25
  And like, but again, it's the fucking 1700s.
• 2:37:28
  Like, what the fuck do we know? So theories involve poltergeist
• 2:37:32
  activity that is centered on the troubled teenager Betsy,
• 2:37:38
  psychological manipulation by someone with knowledge of
• 2:37:41
  mesmerism and stage magic or potentially this was just
• 2:37:46
  frontier hysteria. So yeah, that that is another
• 2:37:53
  thing at that point. So at that time there were like,
• 2:37:58
  it was a huge thing to host seances.
• 2:38:03
  Families like that would be like, yeah, let's all get
• 2:38:04
  together and do a Ouija board. We'll talk to like fucking
• 2:38:07
  ghosts and stuff and all of that shit.
• 2:38:10
  So a lot of that is kind of like, I mean, that was genuinely
• 2:38:14
  like a huge fucking excuse for a lot of mental health issues of
• 2:38:19
  time. It's like.
• 2:38:21
  She needs to be exorcised from the demons.
• 2:38:24
  Like, it was a huge thing. So Betsy Bell then during all
• 2:38:31
  this stuff, she married her former school teacher, Richard
• 2:38:35
  Powell in 1824. So basically, yeah, this guy.
• 2:38:40
  This guy. Like taught her while she was
• 2:38:44
  like a fucking student and then married her, which is also
• 2:38:47
  fucking creepy. He was like 11 years her senior.
• 2:38:49
  But whatever. We don't, we don't judge.
• 2:38:51
  We don't, we listen and we don't judge.
• 2:38:55
  So he had basically tried to say that she was mentally retarded
• 2:39:04
  her whole life when she would talk about the ghosts and things
• 2:39:07
  like that and say like, you know, you're just a fucking
• 2:39:10
  idiot. So anyways, I do have one other
• 2:39:16
  story, but I will say that because we're running on three
• 2:39:19
  hours and we're going by lights basically that had been
• 2:39:24
  happening in the mountains for hundreds of years and no one can
• 2:39:29
  ever explain it. They've had scientists up there
• 2:39:31
  for hundreds of years. The fur like, and this was
• 2:39:34
  happening before there was any form of electricity, any form of
• 2:39:40
  like travel, any form of anything that no locomotive
• 2:39:45
  lights that could have happened because of the distance.
• 2:39:48
  They're called the Brown Mountain Lights, and we still
• 2:39:54
  don't know what it is and it still goes on.
• 2:39:56
  It still happens, but. We can put that on the Patreon.
• 2:39:58
  And we can talk about that again.
• 2:40:00
  But yeah, Appalachian Mountains. So basically Appalachian
• 2:40:04
  Mountains, Tons of spooky scary stuff unexplained, lots of cases
• 2:40:09
  of mystery and wonder, and whilst there's often mundane
• 2:40:16
  over magic, there's always the what if.
• 2:40:19
  So what? What do you think?
• 2:40:21
  Do you think? It's fucking not moving to the
• 2:40:23
  Appalachian Mountains. That's pretty much like the one
• 2:40:27
  conclusion I've come to. But what?
• 2:40:29
  Like basically? So I've given you the scientific
• 2:40:34
  explanation for all this stuff. What do you believe?
• 2:40:38
  I mean, I think, I think with each of those sorts of like
• 2:40:43
  examples, there's probably a lot of more deep diving that can be
• 2:40:46
  done. But the rational, logical person
• 2:40:55
  in me wants to say, yeah, it's probably people like you're
• 2:40:59
  saying, like with the the sacrificing for blood, you know,
• 2:41:04
  the feral people we understand. Like there are people that live
• 2:41:07
  in desolate, remote, isolated parts of the world.
• 2:41:15
  The house 1. It's a bit tricky because like
• 2:41:17
  it's like it's being debunked because it's also it's the it's
• 2:41:21
  the one account. So but it's like.
• 2:41:27
  The thing about the about the house 1 is with me is there are
• 2:41:32
  like there have been so many like like paranormal cases quote
• 2:41:36
  UN quote paranormal cases that we don't have an explanation for
• 2:41:41
  and that we can't explain away. And I think the Bell Witch is
• 2:41:43
  one of those things. Yeah, but like, where's the
• 2:41:46
  where's the ghost from someone who died in 2006?
• 2:41:50
  That's exactly it. Like you're not going to see
• 2:41:52
  some some tramp in a fucking Juicy Couture tracksuit.
• 2:41:55
  Like you're not like, you know what I mean?
• 2:41:57
  In the 1700s, before we had cameras, yeah, we had 7 ghosts
• 2:42:04
  murder half the town. Like I fully believe in like
• 2:42:09
  energy being trapped. Like absolutely.
• 2:42:14
  Because I, I just, it's just scientifically it's a fucking
• 2:42:17
  given. Like we are all energy, right?
• 2:42:19
  We are just like, and that's how, that's how spell work works
• 2:42:23
  and how manifestation works is that you're, you're putting that
• 2:42:27
  energy out there and like, you know, you get back what you put
• 2:42:31
  out. Like we're all energy.
• 2:42:33
  It's all a scientific thing. Like they it's all a
• 2:42:35
  subconscious thing as well with like manifestation.
• 2:42:38
  But at the same time I'm like, all right, I dare you to fucking
• 2:42:41
  go to a homeless person and explain manifestation.
• 2:42:46
  Do you know what I mean? Like, yeah.
• 2:42:48
  But. Like there's a luxury to it.
• 2:42:50
  There's a luxury to believing it, yeah.
• 2:42:52
  You have to kind of have like I guess the peer to jump off to
• 2:42:56
  believe in that kind of thing. But it's what I will say is like
• 2:43:01
  when it comes to like spell work and things like that, is that
• 2:43:04
  it's like, if you're like, so say I wanted to do a fucking
• 2:43:07
  love spell on like Brad Pitt, right?
• 2:43:12
  You got to be completely fucking honest with yourself.
• 2:43:14
  Like, does Brad Pitt know who I am?
• 2:43:16
  Yeah. Why have any connection with
• 2:43:18
  Brad Pitt? Do I have any?
• 2:43:21
  Like, has he noticed me at all? Does he know who I am?
• 2:43:23
  Like anything like that, Right? And you can't just be like, all
• 2:43:27
  right, I want to have I have a crush on this person.
• 2:43:30
  You I'm going to do a spell on him to like pull him in.
• 2:43:33
  Does he know who you are? Does he have have you exchanged
• 2:43:38
  energy with this person? You know what I mean?
• 2:43:41
  It's it's like if you're doing a money spell, being like, I need
• 2:43:45
  fucking extra money. Like, what the fuck am I going
• 2:43:46
  to do? All right.
• 2:43:48
  Are you working hard at work? Are you calling in sick all the
• 2:43:52
  time? Are you doing?
• 2:43:53
  Anything that you can to make sure that this doesn't fucking
• 2:43:56
  happen for you because you have to be completely honest with
• 2:44:00
  yourself when it comes to that kind of thing.
• 2:44:02
  But I do believe in trapped energy.
• 2:44:08
  And I do believe that like, you can get stuck somewhere.
• 2:44:12
  I don't necessarily believe that, like, people can be like,
• 2:44:15
  Oh my God, it's a Victorian woman.
• 2:44:18
  I think a lot of it is reading into the history.
• 2:44:22
  If you read into the history of your place or the land around it
• 2:44:25
  or whatever, yeah, you can probably, like, fucking assume
• 2:44:29
  that it is this. But also you might be in
• 2:44:33
  spiritual psychosis. Yeah, but the but the what if,
• 2:44:37
  the what if always prevails for me, man.
• 2:44:40
  It's always. Like that, yeah, but again, like
• 2:44:43
  spiritual psychosis is so fucking dangerous and it comes
• 2:44:46
  with super religious people as well.
• 2:44:49
  You know what I mean? If you're like, oh, I prayed to
• 2:44:50
  God for this to happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:44:53
  Like, oh, God will deliver you. Like if the, if the Lord can
• 2:44:55
  lead you to it, he can lead you through it.
• 2:44:57
  Like it. That's spiritual psychosis to
• 2:45:00
  me, to like to think, to think that you can pray for something
• 2:45:04
  or you can do a spell for something and then not do
• 2:45:09
  anything yourself. Yeah.
• 2:45:10
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Spiritual psychosis.
• 2:45:12
  You are in charge of it. You have to put the work in.
• 2:45:15
  You can maybe manipulate energy, which is what magic is.
• 2:45:18
  You can manipulate the energy to help.
• 2:45:20
  And you know, you might be moving things in your favor, but
• 2:45:24
  nothing's going to move if you don't fucking put the action
• 2:45:26
  behind it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:45:28
  Which is. Just common sense.
• 2:45:29
  Yeah, I get that, I get that. So it is.
• 2:45:31
  It is kind of weird that it's like, again, multiple people
• 2:45:36
  have reported saying this one person who claims to keep saying
• 2:45:40
  this one thing, which again, you have to, you kind of have to
• 2:45:44
  throw that back to The Amityville Horror, which I have
• 2:45:47
  no doubt maybe, yeah, that the, you know, a mass murder.
• 2:45:52
  It probably is a little bit haunted, but nobody else apart
• 2:45:57
  from Olutz family has reported anything, yeah, anything
• 2:46:01
  supernatural. Call calls it into question
• 2:46:04
  calls it. Exactly.
• 2:46:06
  And then it it kind of comes, it's like, OK, I, I guess like
• 2:46:09
  some people can be more sensitive to, you know, to that
• 2:46:12
  kind of thing, like maybe George Litz was.
• 2:46:15
  But then that doesn't explain why A his entire family also
• 2:46:20
  experienced it and B nobody else has experienced it since whilst
• 2:46:26
  no exorcism has been done. Yeah, nothing has been done in
• 2:46:30
  an attempt to clear it. The families that have moved in
• 2:46:33
  afterwards are just like, please leave us alone, stop showing up
• 2:46:36
  at our house to take pictures. There's nothing here.
• 2:46:38
  We've never had so much as a fucking mouse infestation.
• 2:46:42
  Yeah. And you would think like at
• 2:46:43
  least at one point in history, someone who took over the house
• 2:46:46
  would want, you know, want to be real.
• 2:46:49
  And if if if a lot of this practice and ritual and
• 2:46:56
  engagement with these spiritual and occult phenomenon requires
• 2:47:00
  belief, then you would think that someone who both believes
• 2:47:02
  and wants it to be true would be able to produce something so.
• 2:47:06
  Exactly. You know, I think a lot of it's
• 2:47:08
  just. I believe I want I, I want it to
• 2:47:12
  be true. I do, but again, at the same
• 2:47:16
  time, like I I have spells that have worked for me.
• 2:47:18
  Have I had anything fantastical behind it?
• 2:47:21
  No. Yeah, not so far.
• 2:47:23
  Yeah. So I guess it just, it shows
• 2:47:25
  itself in different ways. And while I do think we can,
• 2:47:31
  it's easy for us to say that because you've never experienced
• 2:47:33
  it. Maybe it's different in the
• 2:47:35
  Appalachian Mountains. Maybe it's different in the
• 2:47:38
  Appalachian Mountains. The science is just that fucking
• 2:47:41
  different that we don't understand because we don't live
• 2:47:44
  there and we don't know what it's like.
• 2:47:45
  Yeah, thin places. And they have a whole a whole
• 2:47:48
  different set of rules for their day-to-day life and how it works
• 2:47:52
  and what you listen to. If you hear this, you you didn't
• 2:47:55
  fucking hear it. And it's still normal to them.
• 2:47:58
  Yeah, but. I got to just say before you,
• 2:48:00
  you got to do your sign off in an Appalachian accent.
• 2:48:05
  Like, I can't, I don't know, like.
• 2:48:08
  Can't do a. Southern accent.
• 2:48:11
  I don't know how to do a certain accent.
• 2:48:15
  Bye. Bye.
• 2:48:17
  Well, thanks. Thanks for the chat.
• 2:48:20
  Y'all done been coming back now soon here.
• 2:48:25
  And. Again.
• 2:48:26
  The Lord can lead to do it. He can lead you through it.
• 2:48:29
  Half a dozen of the 1/6 of the other.
• 2:48:32
  I'm buying that lobotomy kit tomorrow.
• 2:48:36
  They're like £60, they're cheap. I'm doing.
• 2:48:38
  They're cheap. I'm doing.
• 2:48:39
  It I trust you to do it. It's fine.
• 2:48:41
  I could be like Rose can't. Well, that was it.
• 2:48:44
  Is it Rose Kennedy? Yeah, it was big Rose Kennedy
• 2:48:47
  that had little Bosch. Danny, Danny, Danny.
• 2:48:52
  Next I could think of I could think of one regret ski.
• 2:48:58
  Some regrets he's got. Thank you so much for being
• 2:49:02
  here. I will never darken your door
• 2:49:04
  again. I'm sorry.
• 2:49:05
  I had fun, I had fun, I had fun. I was going to go think of moon
• 2:49:10
  face people instead of skinwalkers tonight.
• 2:49:12
  I think you'll have fun. I think we'll, we'll, we'll
• 2:49:14
  bring you on when Justine's back because he keeps it on a rail
• 2:49:18
  that I can't seem to do so. I'm I'm listen, I'm here for the
• 2:49:23
  Ouija board and I also. Oh, we should do that that that
• 2:49:26
  could be another little Patreon episode where me and real Justin
• 2:49:30
  do the do the Ouija board. I'm so excited.
• 2:49:34
  It's it's a lot of fun and it's like it's made of Welsh slate as
• 2:49:38
  well, so that'll be fun. Oh, I'm doing it.
• 2:49:42
  OK, Bye, Danny. Thank you very much.
• 2:49:46
  Thank you for being here. I don't know what Justine's sign
• 2:49:50
  off usually is. I've been Justine.
• 2:49:53
  She's been Danny. Thanks for joining us for a
• 2:49:56
  stop. Good night.