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506 - How Did Autism Become His Superpower? - Julian Doan · The Vietnamese with Kenneth Nguyen

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  [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Vietnamese podcast today.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I have Julian Duan.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He is an influencer that I came across on Instagram and I find your messaging to be very helpful for me.
• 0:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I've listened to some of your clips maybe 30 times on like a drive.
• 0:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll let it sink in, you know, um, so thank you for joining me today.
• 0:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, I mean, it's a, I think it's an honor and privilege, too.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I really like what you do, creating a voice bridging the gap of the Vietnamese community.
• 0:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's huge because there's a huge voice that's not being said and being heard.
• 0:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
• 0:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, your journey is like really interesting.
• 0:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: you didn't have a really like, it sounds like you had a little bit of a rough childhood growing up, right?
• 0:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, a little bit different, a little bit different for sure.
• 0:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, tell me about that, you know, especially inside the house, you know, with your mom and dad.
• 0:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: And um, so...
• 0:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of the challenges that I experience growing up, I think a lot of Vietnamese Americans can relate, you know, I mean my parents, you know, immigrated here from Vietnam and, you know, obviously any immigrants, especially after 1975, coming over here is all about survival and preservation, right?
• 1:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: The hard part for me was I felt like I was kind of in the middle place of America not quite Vietnamese enough not quite American enough and on top of that you know being diagnosed later with autism spectrum disorder and ADD kind of explained a lot because you know growing up in a Vietnamese household especially in Vietnamese America it's all about being the model minority right keeping quiet let your results show and not talking back that's another one.
• 1:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so for me, just being curious and not understanding things, asking questions.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of times that could be seen as bad or challenging or a problem.
• 1:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: How about it to get?
• 1:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, with my parents, I think it's very similar to a lot of Vietnamese-American parents.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like my way of the highway, no means no.
• 1:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it was challenging because I didn't go to traditional route.
• 1:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like for me, especially with autism spectrum disorder, I didn't really fit in with school.
• 2:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: And for me, the huge focus was I just want to be accepted.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I just want to have friends.
• 2:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so because of that, school didn't really make sense to me either.
• 2:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't really get good grades.
• 2:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I did really good on tests, just not homework, because it was on my priority.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So especially parents that came over here, it's all about survival, right?
• 2:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: And grades are very important, getting a good college is important, getting a good job is important.
• 2:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so when I wasn't falling that path, they caused a lot of friction.
• 2:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the average person knows very little about autism.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's so funny when I tell people I have autism.
• 2:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can't see it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, usually people go like, are you?
• 2:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: They go, you're autistic.
• 2:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, you don't look autistic.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, what does that mean, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But there's different levels of autism.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm level one.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So for me, the way my brain works is it's very heavily based on pattern recognition.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I had to learn social dynamics.
• 2:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I had to learn people, essentially.
• 2:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was tough like in high school, it was kind of like all the kids got the manual on how to be a human being.
• 3:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just got the cliff notes.
• 3:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't understand the subtle cues and the little subtextes and everything and you know how to study that.
• 3:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: But you know, it actually became a huge, I would say, you know, super power for me.
• 3:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: The qualities like pattern recognition, hyper focus.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: in school then really work, but in business and content creation and in the world, it's paid off.
• 3:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: When I see you talking to the camera, I see how probably that understanding of pattern recognition, because you're just so like, it's just so clockwork to you, how natural your delivery is.
• 3:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I had to add the learn differently, but like, just any skill, the more you do it, the starts out it's uncomfortable, but once it becomes comfortable, they need to become confident.
• 3:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And now, this whole idea of learning these,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: nuances that you're dealing with with social cues to somebody like me like I can't even fathom with that.
• 4:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, means, but like can you break down a little bit about like what what are you learning?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: How can you learn this?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Like I didn't know what was cool.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know what was funny.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't like I just wanted to fit in, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So give you an example.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I grew up in Riverside, California.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I went to arts in high school.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So there wasn't a lot of Asian kids, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And so a lot of my schools at school was predominantly Hispanic and black.
• 4:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so at the time when I went to high school in 2005, Fubu was really popular and Fubu censored for us by us, right?
• 4:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't understand the subdual cues like that's black culture.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That was created from their trauma, something that they can own that's theirs.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: All I knew was all the kids had it.
• 4:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the cool kids had it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, if I wore that, that must mean I'm cool.
• 4:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I sold like blanks, I sold music CDs and stuff that I burned.
• 4:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I got some food glue.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I shut up to school and then you know at the next thing you know, I got beat up at school, someone grabbed me by my shirt, put me up against the wall, I was like, hey, why are you wearing that?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, what do you mean?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's cool, right?
• 4:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, no, food glue.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You don't even know what that means.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, no, it means for us by us.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You're not one of us.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So little things like that, you know?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Another one I think is kind of funny again because my school is a lot of African Americans and there was like gangs and stuff.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't understand certain terminology.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You just hear people say it and you just think it's normal.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And so I don't know if it's so fun.
• 5:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I should say it's not but so say it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So one of the guys at school that was actually a cool way, right?
• 5:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was gang affiliate, he was a blood, right?
• 5:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't know, but you know watching movies and stuff like that, I was like,
• 5:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: And like he put because the wall two is like, what did you just say?
• 5:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, and then he caught himself because he knew that was a little bit different.
• 5:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was like, hey, you shouldn't be saying that.
• 5:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and then he kind of broke it down to me.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, man, like little things like that, no idea.
• 5:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that's such a natural thing for young people like for us to go through, yeah, you know, but did that show up more often than not in your early life?
• 6:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: It did, because I think a lot of my high school days being young was very performative.
• 6:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was me trying to mirror what I saw without understanding what I was seeing.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: and then replaying it back, not understanding the context and then whatnot.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And how do you think that that sort of understanding now relates to what you do in your life today?
• 6:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: It helps me one lesson before I speak and always seek to understand.
• 6:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then more so instead of creating a performer of identity of how I think people want me to be or how I should be, it's finding root in confidence and who I want to be and how I want to show up.
• 6:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you don't know what Julian does, I advise you to just hit pause right now real quick in the audience and listen to Julian Duan's Instagram clips because they really are a guiding light to really making things very clear about going from like point A to point B and just really removing the bullshit.
• 7:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: point where you're able to really put all that stuff out with such clarity.
• 7:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would think number one, I just, and again, I think this comes from my autism section disorder, I just reverse engineer everything, kind of like the same way an engineer would figure out systems and I just built systems and, you know, even human behavior is a system, yeah.
• 7:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And do you feel like because you know it inside and out now that you're actually living what you're saying?
• 7:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah absolutely.
• 7:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I thought the thought about that a lot of them.
• 7:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't have chewed in really falls off the wagon or, I mean, I'm not human being, you know, but I mean, when you built a certain skill, especially in areas that you're comfortable in, it comes naturally.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But I will admit that in certain situations that I'm unfamiliar with, I can find myself regressing and then over analyzing and everything and I just got to cast myself breathe
• 8:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: go back to my identity and stuff, yeah.
• 8:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: But you didn't fall into this sort of line of work like right away, right?
• 8:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, oh, no, no.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You told me the journey that you went through.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, again, I think,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I think trauma can be a beautiful thing if you don't treat it as a prison sentence and as something that's something to learn from, right?
• 8:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: So like in high school, I remember a lot of times I would eat lunch in a bathroom stall because I was bullied, I was made fun of, like, being Asian was not cool when I was young.
• 8:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I remember, you know, my parents pack me lunch at leftover, you know, bun me all, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, bun me that big.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I reggae to school, all these kids have regular sandwiches, they're looking at my sandwich, like, what is that, that's gross?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's, you know, for all the young, you know, Vietnamese Americans now, like it's cool being Asian, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm my friend's like, what do you want to eat?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, oh, fun.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And like my wife friends, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But you would never think that before.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But I remember towards the end of high school, I was a little bit bitter and I said, you know what?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Some way, somehow, I'm going to figure this out.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to make a lot of money, I want to become successful and I'm going to show them that I'm not a loser, I'm not an outcast and everything that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's kind of where it started.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And then when I was in college, I was recruited into a network marketing company, I was cold marketed on a college campus, actually it wasn't even me being recruited, it was a friend of mine.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And so my friend was being recruited, they did this whole pitch like, hey, technology company we're expanding, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You can make extra money, part-time around school, and there's a lot of pretty girls, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: My friend immediately, because he understands subtext, he was like, sounds kind of sketchy, sounds like a scam, as most people would, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just like, that sounds good.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Logically, I'm like, that's what I want, that sounds good.
• 9:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I told the guy, I was like, hey, I'm interested.
• 9:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: And what's funny is he looked at me and he says, I don't think it's for you.
• 9:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Not like a sales technique of pulling away.
• 9:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: He meant that.
• 9:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: He meant that.
• 9:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: He looked at me like, this guy's going to be more trouble than he's worth.
• 9:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, network marketing kind of, you know, has a negative context and a lot of it.
• 9:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I do agree with because there's a lot of bad actors in the industry.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The vehicle itself is in bad.
• 10:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just certain people that operate in it, right?
• 10:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I remember it's funny because so many people try to recruit everybody.
• 10:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: and they bribe them to go to the meetings.
• 10:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you go to my meeting, I'll buy you lunch.
• 10:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was the opposite for me.
• 10:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, hey, if you give me a shot, I won't let you down.
• 10:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just need an opportunity, like, I'll buy you in and out.
• 10:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'll treat you to dinner.
• 10:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it was the opposite.
• 10:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then when I went to the meeting, it was very different, right?
• 10:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it was very raw, like, high energy.
• 10:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it was just different for me, because I wasn't used to that.
• 10:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'll use to be a shell, quiet, reserved, and here are people like freely, like, you know, overly, overly tongue-bother, gold or dreams.
• 10:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I remember the speaker there said something that changed my life forever.
• 10:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right?
• 10:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: He said, if you can have everything you want, the way you are, sure, you have it.
• 10:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you want more, you've got to become more.
• 10:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that logically makes so much sense to me.
• 10:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: that it just clicked.
• 10:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, man, I spent my whole life trying to do more, trying to take these actions to fit in, trying to take all the, instead of doing more, I need to focus on becoming more.
• 10:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so my love for the industry is not necessarily the money, it's really the personal development that came with it, but that's really what started the journey.
• 11:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because all of that,
• 11:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Belief in being more is sort of like the foundation of what you talk.
• 11:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's so hard to think about ourselves the way we really want to be taken in the world.
• 11:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because a lot of us are operating from expectations.
• 11:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're not even ours, right?
• 11:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like from our parents, right?
• 11:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Especially being Vietnamese American.
• 11:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think we're very unique because, you know, when when your parents leave from another country,
• 11:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: and they want to preserve their culture, their language, you know, everything.
• 11:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: And when they come to America, it's not about thriving, it's about surviving.
• 11:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think a lot of our culture is just based on that.
• 11:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think the challenge with that is, it's a great place to start, but not a great place to stay, because it kind of puts a ceiling on it, right?
• 11:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: The whole monominori philosophy, right?
• 11:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: And everything just fit in, be quiet, you know, keep a low profile, let your results speak, that whole thing.
• 12:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, for me, that was part of the challenge because I wanted to be free.
• 12:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to be able to express myself.
• 12:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just didn't know how.
• 12:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to strive for more.
• 12:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't want to just settle.
• 12:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 12:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this whole networking, marketing, MLM, right?
• 12:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 12:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, general marketing, how did you...
• 12:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Survive and thrive in that world if you were coming with a bag of no tricks.
• 12:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I didn't have any friends I didn't know and you know, I didn't have a big social network which a lot of people think he had So my first five years was really rough.
• 12:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I went to all the meetings I studied all the presentations of the trainings.
• 12:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I could finish the joke before the speaker would even say it But people liked me, but they didn't follow me, right?
• 12:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then so it wasn't until like five years in one of my mentors that I became really good friends with like I was really good at making friends at that point because they're like wow this guy's so nice he's so positive he's eager to learn and he felt bad for me right because in some companies right there's a monthly requirement that you have to purchase to act different stuff like that in the company else with and he sat me down he says hey we became good friends you always come to help set up the meetings and like I genuinely like you and he says something that was like a gut punch he's like I know we tell everybody anybody can make it and
• 13:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't really, I'm getting to the point where I don't know if you can do it.
• 13:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's replaying all the traumas and the stories, right?
• 13:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he says, here's what I wanted to do for you.
• 13:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: You pay every single month, right, to say active, you do all this stuff.
• 13:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're spending all this money, but you're not making money.
• 13:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he says, I took this training, you know, years ago, and it changed my life.
• 13:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, it's expensive, but I'm willing to pay for you, because I feel guilty because you do so much, but you're getting so little.
• 13:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, at least, if I pay for you to go to this training, you get what you get from it, and if it doesn't work out, at least I know I did something for you.
• 13:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was kind of out of guilt, and, you know, belief too.
• 13:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so it's a transformation training, kind of like Tony Robbins on an intimate level.
• 13:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: What's the name of the program?
• 13:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, it was in Las Vegas called LifeWorks.
• 13:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 13:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's based on this old trading um, that originated from Lifespring S. Yeah.
• 14:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 14:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, landmark.
• 14:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, landmark.
• 14:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're a different brand.
• 14:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Very, very similar philosophies.
• 14:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: See, when I hear you talk, I know that it comes from that world and we'll talk about that.
• 14:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 14:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's cool because a lot of people are not familiar with that.
• 14:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm getting goosebumps because I, you know, 20, 25 years ago, I went through landmark.
• 14:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 14:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I talked about it.
• 14:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: very sparingly.
• 14:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think I've ever talked about on the podcast.
• 14:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 14:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll get into it.
• 14:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I want to hear your experience people.
• 14:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like now we're market people that know is the vehicle itself is valuable.
• 14:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: But there's things inside of it that could be exploited or whatever it is, right?
• 14:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, obviously when it comes about.
• 14:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Less about the trading more about enrolling people into the trading.
• 14:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're not being getting paid.
• 14:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just kidding.
• 14:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, but it was there that it kind of reaffirmed that first quote that I shared my first mentor, right, and that's when I really learned about B do have and that's when I was like, okay, then they started to click I was like,
• 14:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the way that explains it, it's kind of like, you know, I know you'll appreciate this example because you're come from film.
• 14:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like imagine two actors go into audition for a role, right?
• 15:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: One memorizes the lines.
• 15:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: They know it worked for word.
• 15:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: They know how to drop out every single beat.
• 15:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: But the other person lives the role.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They breathe the role.
• 15:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: They are the role.
• 15:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: One person leaves confused that they didn't get the part.
• 15:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: The other one does.
• 15:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's business.
• 15:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's life.
• 15:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's, are you being the role?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Not playing the role, being the role of what you want.
• 15:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then that's when it clicked.
• 15:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: And when did it click for you?
• 15:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Cause it's weekend.
• 15:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: So let's work, yeah, we can think.
• 15:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: So right after that, I did the whole program, the whole nine-day program and everything.
• 15:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: And when end of happening was, in this, I feel so bad, right, when talking about this.
• 15:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: But my dad got me a job.
• 15:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was working out a call center for Edison.
• 15:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I hated it, right?
• 15:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I was at a breaking point.
• 15:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was still trying to make my business work.
• 15:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: My parents see me spending all this money, racking up my credit card, not getting anything.
• 15:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they don't believe.
• 15:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: In the beginning, they said, we'll support you in doing this, because hopefully we'll make you have friends and build skills, they didn't think it would make money.
• 15:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: But once they saw that, I was like diving into it, dropping out of college, there were so against it.
• 16:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I remember my dad gave me an ultimatum, right?
• 16:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he said to me, he says, either, you quit, stick with the job, go back to school, and you can stay at home, or you keep pursuing your neural marketing thing in your out of the house.
• 16:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so when that happened, my mentor at the time had an opportunity to say in Houston, Texas, I have one lead.
• 16:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm willing to give it to you to sign up because I don't have time to go out there.
• 16:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: You work it until I go out there.
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'll get an apartment.
• 16:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can stay there.
• 16:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just make money so you can get your own apartment.
• 16:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: And this is Houston, Texas, like 1500 miles away.
• 16:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I know my parents would say, no, two days before Christmas, I packed everything my foretours, and I drove the Houston Texas for a shot in a chance.
• 16:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: And when I got there, I took all the tools that I learned from the training, and I said, okay, nobody here knows why I am, so I literally can reinvent myself.
• 16:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because a lot of times when we meet people, especially people that know us, it's very easy to go back into that role that they're used to, right?
• 17:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I said, OK, I'm in a new place, nobody knows why I am.
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm here to expand the company that parts true.
• 17:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: I do know the skills, I do know the presentations, I know what to do.
• 17:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now that I have the tools from the training, I looked at all the mentors I had, what made them great, what made them special, what made them successful.
• 17:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I said, all I have to do is embody that, right?
• 17:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: And use it as a checklist, develop those skills, and embody that.
• 17:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then literally when I went there,
• 17:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: In six months, I built a team of 1,000 people.
• 17:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I made my first $10,000 month in a totally new market because I was free.
• 17:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was nothing there to hold me back and I could reinvent myself.
• 17:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it was just heartbreaking because I didn't tell my parents.
• 17:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: They called me on Christmas day.
• 17:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, hey, what are you coming home?
• 17:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I told them, I packed everything with the taxes.
• 17:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: And for two years, I was rough with my parents, because my dad told me he couldn't sleep.
• 17:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Every night, he would stay at work about me.
• 17:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the thing, as I get older, I really appreciate my parents.
• 17:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think when you get all you realize that, your parents are not always right, but majority of time, not all the time, but majority of the time, they could say care, and that's where they're operating from, right?
• 18:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so, yeah.
• 18:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, look, I'm all choked up right now.
• 18:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I understand that, I get that.
• 18:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wanna go back to life work, right?
• 18:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: When you were going through that,
• 18:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can imagine somebody like you understanding the concepts very easily.
• 18:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: The technical stuff, the philosophy stuff.
• 18:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a lot of stuff.
• 18:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody like me, it was very difficult for me to lock in.
• 18:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the things that we're talking about with landmark or S is the foundation for a lot of crazy stuff on the world.
• 18:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: But if you can kind of like balance,
• 18:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's like a weapon, right?
• 18:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's like a gun.
• 18:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, guns can be bad.
• 18:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 18:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Guns can also be like, wow, Lee.
• 18:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
• 18:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 18:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: The guns are just guns, right?
• 19:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the thing with Landmark and his program S. It teaches you, oh, you want it's like,
• 19:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like jujitsu moves on the map.
• 19:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 19:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's like belts and levels to, because what you're learning is distinctions in life.
• 19:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're understanding like, oh, if you look at that,
• 19:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: you can understand it from several ways, but know that everything that you're looking at, you're building meaning into whatever you're looking at.
• 19:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's ways to distinguish meaning, and that's what these programs are teachy.
• 19:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, essentially it's, we never see the world as it is.
• 19:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: We see the world as we are.
• 19:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you change the way you look at things, things you look at change, very simple concepts that make a lot of sense, and it's like, it's not what happens to you, it's what you make it mean that determines everything.
• 19:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, Tony Robbins has a great story, right?
• 19:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: He shares about these two brothers, right?
• 19:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Their father was on death row, killed a lot of people, committed a lot of crimes.
• 19:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: The interview, the first brother, and the first brother was also in jail.
• 19:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: He also committed crimes, right?
• 20:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was criminal.
• 20:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they said, why do you feel like you turned out the way you did?
• 20:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he said, with a father like mine, how could it not?
• 20:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Which logically makes your hands, right?
• 20:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's what you saw growing up.
• 20:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what you modeled, right?
• 20:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the example you had.
• 20:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the interview, the second brother,
• 20:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: had a great job, had a great family, great house, everything to go, why do you feel like totally different than the other brother?
• 20:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he says, why do you feel like you turned out the way you did?
• 20:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he said, with a father like mine, how could I not, both say answers, both say an experiences is what they took from it.
• 20:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so that was the huge thing that I got from it.
• 20:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, what is the story that we tell about ourselves?
• 20:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: What is the story that we tell about our experiences?
• 20:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And there's a story support us or does it not support us, right?
• 20:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that was huge.
• 20:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know,
• 20:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's a lot of terms thrown out there in the world today, but unfortunately, you know, sometimes people think that, again, I think there's also comes in the Vietnamese culture growing up, they go, rich people are bad, rich people are evil, well, there's a lot of bad people that do very well, right?
• 20:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of narcissists tend to do very well, but why do narcissists do well is because they have a certain image of themselves.
• 21:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, it's not about good or bad.
• 21:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's how quickly you can make a decision.
• 21:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, unfortunately, people that are narciss or bad, they make decisions quicker for themselves, right?
• 21:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, yeah.
• 21:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Every time I see somebody like you online in the mainstream, like, you know, white guys or white women, I could always
• 21:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: hear the landmark that you know, and then you get a depth at understanding what the principles are.
• 21:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and you could even hear it like an Obama's speeches.
• 21:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: The word possibility shows up.
• 21:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 21:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: This positive outcome and it's not toxic positive positivity.
• 21:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just
• 21:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: the openness to really be open to possibilities, the thing about these programs like Scientology, which is the landmark and S is the root of Scientology, gone haywire, right?
• 21:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's been the same for their experience.
• 21:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's the other extreme, and it gets about rap in the world because all of this manipulation.
• 22:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I wanted to talk to you about how do you
• 22:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: process like that during that weekend at life work, how did you get it right away?
• 22:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because for me, like I said, it took me a long time and I still don't get it entirely.
• 22:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 22:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I know in your mind because when I hear you do the thing, yeah, on your clips, I know, I mean, this guy has an insight and out, right?
• 22:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I imagine if you were like in a jujitsu class for like two years, yeah, you would understand the pattern so quickly.
• 22:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 22:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, my, again, there's different parts of my story, right?
• 22:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: But when I was going through it there's a couple of things are very powerful.
• 22:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: One was learning the distinctions.
• 22:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think what made it easier for me was because my autism, right?
• 22:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I never really felt like my autism helped me back.
• 22:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: It caused challenges for sure because when I realize how's operating from a different operating system from most, then I lean into it versus try to fight against it, right?
• 23:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: I made it work for me.
• 23:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: And how it worked for me in transformational seminars was because I'm very logical.
• 23:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: If it logically makes sense, I can get behind you soon.
• 23:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't look at the emotional side of it, just a logical side.
• 23:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: But the part that was very valuable, that most people don't get, was the feedback part.
• 23:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because most people are very nice.
• 23:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to tell you how they really feel.
• 23:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to tell you how you show up.
• 23:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're just going to either alienate you, ignore it, or just...
• 23:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Accept it as it is, but there's a part in the training where you get actual things a second training where you actually get feedback on how you show up and these are people that don't know you.
• 23:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: These are the people that only experience you in an uncomfortable environment, which is the true you, right?
• 23:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Things that my parents were necessary to say or other things.
• 23:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: And when I saw that how I was showing up and how I was like, okay, now I'm starting to get it.
• 23:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is this how I want to show up?
• 23:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: How do I want to show up?
• 23:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: And how do I need to operate and be to show up in that way where people can get it and
• 23:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: it's amazing.
• 23:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people think that, I don't want to go to these programs because I don't want to join a cult and I'm like, somebody is Colty though.
• 24:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would say, but Colty means culture.
• 24:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: It has a certain culture, you know.
• 24:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I always say to people like,
• 24:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you're bad ass, why are you afraid of being in a cult?
• 24:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Why are you afraid of being brainwashed, right?
• 24:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 24:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I never talk about it.
• 24:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think this is one of the few times I brought it up in the podcast, but the times that I really advocate for going to a program like landmark, a life work, or Tony Robbins is when you have a bad breakup.
• 24:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, that's when I always tell my friends like if I'm like mopping this guy off the floor because it's like so like done and he's like broken then I'm like
• 24:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you shouldn't look into a program like this because it helps you refocus who you are.
• 24:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 24:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's like, it's like a checkup, but tuna.
• 24:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 24:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, the thing is, I think the society has changed a lot now.
• 24:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think when I was growing up, even when I was growing up, like the self-help section, the personal development section, nobody touched.
• 25:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, oh, why do you, you know, like, you need someone else to help you solve your own problems, like that kind of mentality.
• 25:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: But in today's world, people understand the value of personal development, personal growth,
• 25:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: But if you look in terms of just sports, you need to have a coach.
• 25:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: You have to.
• 25:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to elevate, you got to have a coach, right?
• 25:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the other thing about coaches is that you look at someone like Tiger Woods, greatest golf in the world, right?
• 25:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not the best person with the greatest golf in the world.
• 25:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: He has a coach.
• 25:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: His coach can't play golf as well as Tiger Woods.
• 25:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: But why does he stop a coach?
• 25:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because their coach can see things that you can't see.
• 25:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because sometimes we're so deep in the picture, we can't see the whole frame.
• 25:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so when you have a coach, it helps you kind of broaden your perspective.
• 25:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's huge because sometimes, especially when you're stuck in a breakup, you lose your job, going through a divorce.
• 25:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's kind of like a breakup, right?
• 25:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you're going through different things.
• 25:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're so emotionally invested that emotion overrides the logic and you can't see certain things.
• 25:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: When I look at your work, I really want to call you up, and when I get, can you help me?
• 26:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Can you get me out of the routines, the way that I perceive myself?
• 26:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: What is the process of you helping people get out of their path, get out of their way?
• 26:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the first thing is,
• 26:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Again, it goes back to the B do have, right?
• 26:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: So many people are focused on the doing, not the being.
• 26:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like thing about it, when something goes wrong, they're all what I need to do, what I need to do.
• 26:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Versus who do I need to be, right?
• 26:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the thing is, you cannot outwork a broken identity.
• 26:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: So the first thing is, you got kind of like being the actor, right?
• 26:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like,
• 26:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: where do you want your life to look like?
• 26:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: What does it look like to you?
• 26:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: What does it feel like?
• 26:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: And ask yourself how you're showing up in the world is that congruent with where you want to go?
• 26:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then you just reverse engineer it, right?
• 26:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Figure out where do you want to go, right?
• 26:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Then be completely honest about where you're at.
• 26:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's huge, right?
• 26:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's mentioned toxic positivity earlier.
• 26:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 26:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a real thing.
• 26:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because if you're like just ignore it, the key is not to be positive about everything, right?
• 26:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: The key is not to look at it better than it is, but also not looking at it worse than it is, just looking at it for where it is.
• 27:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: where you want to go and figure out what is that gap?
• 27:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: What does that gap in identity, skills, habits?
• 27:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what you focus on.
• 27:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because so many people are focused on the end goal, right?
• 27:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm a huge fan of basketball.
• 27:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: And there's a great quote.
• 27:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: It says, you don't win the game by focusing on the score on the scoreboard.
• 27:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: You win the game by focusing on getting better at the game.
• 27:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: So many people are focused on the scoreboard instead of focusing on getting better at the game.
• 27:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: But if you've got the habits, the routines, it just happens naturally, right?
• 27:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like in fitness.
• 27:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you're just focusing on the way on the scale, you might lose weight, you might not.
• 27:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: But if you just know that you use both the habits of, you know, not necessarily clean eating, but you know what you need to eat, you have a solid workout routine, and you just commit to every day, having a solid day, that way it's going to happen automatically.
• 27:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the stress is now gone, because you're focusing on the process versus the outcome.
• 27:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but in order for all of that to even happen, you have to have this visual image of who you are.
• 27:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's where it starts.
• 27:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hardest part.
• 27:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 28:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 28:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 28:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like how how does somebody with so many years of trauma from their mom and dad just shitting on them?
• 28:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 28:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're in tire life for their environment.
• 28:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: How do you get out of that?
• 28:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, first I identify what the stories are.
• 28:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then ask yourself, is that really true?
• 28:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right?
• 28:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because a lot of times, you know, when you say like, oh, my parents didn't love me.
• 28:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is that, you know, your parents yell at you, they don't agree with what you're doing and you associate that with my parents don't love me.
• 28:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, is that really true?
• 28:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, you want to fight back and you know, yeah, that's true because they don't support me.
• 28:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: They don't want me to go this path and go, but that part might be true, but does that really mean they don't love you?
• 28:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you stop, well, no, they do love me.
• 28:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: They just don't understand.
• 28:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then when that happens, right?
• 28:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Then you go, okay, they do love me.
• 28:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're just operating from where they're operating from.
• 28:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now you can separate the two.
• 28:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Does that make sense?
• 28:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, oh, my parents did love me.
• 28:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're just, they just don't understand.
• 28:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it's hard to like stop myself in real time.
• 28:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 28:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because I'm going through this stuff.
• 29:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we all do, right?
• 29:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I go to therapy years and years with therapy on top of landmark and all.
• 29:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: But to really click in and understand it and go, okay, I'm going to reshape my mind.
• 29:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want to, I mean, I want to be a writer and really do want to be a writer.
• 29:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's who I always want to be.
• 29:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: But getting to the damn keyboard and the laptop to write and I know I got good ideas.
• 29:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know I have these cool stories that but to get myself to believe that I am a writer is such a
• 29:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you've got to look at your life and collect the evidence.
• 29:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, we're in your life.
• 29:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Can you collect evidence that you are a good writer?
• 29:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: That people do experience your writing, that you express your ideas, and people did accept it.
• 29:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: They did like it.
• 29:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they're just collecting that.
• 29:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because a lot of us, we kind of create a negative highlight real.
• 29:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: So whenever we want to do something that's uncomfortable, what tends to happen is replay all the scenarios that are similar where it didn't work out.
• 29:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Instead of looking at our lives and looking at all the scenarios where it did work out.
• 29:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so it's kind of like building a muscle, right?
• 30:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: When you work out, the first time you lift weights is going to be uncomfortable because you never done it before, then you start learning how to do it, but it's still uncomfortable because it's heavy, but the more you do it, the stronger you get, and it's just like that, it's a muscle.
• 30:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: So when I first started, it was hard.
• 30:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would relapse, right?
• 30:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like something would happen.
• 30:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would get triggered and I would react the same way I've always reacted.
• 30:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then my coach kind of reframed it goes, but you caught yourself.
• 30:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: You realize that you're being triggered.
• 30:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Most people don't even realize they're being triggered.
• 30:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's already growth.
• 30:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then once that's true, then I started catching myself even faster.
• 30:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then when it starts going, you react, then you realize you reacted, then you apologize, like, oh, I shouldn't have done that.
• 30:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Then you go, okay, then you catch yourself midway, then you stop midway.
• 30:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then you keep noticing it, then you can catch yourself before you even take that action.
• 30:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it is a muscle and it's uncomfortable, but, you know, kind of cliche could be saying the training the only way out is through and everything is just a practice, it's just a practice.
• 30:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're so perfect.
• 30:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: What the hell do you have left to work out?
• 31:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I mean, I mean, a lot.
• 31:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you get it because I can hear the language, you know, I've gone through that training, but like I said, I think some of us have the aptitude to really get it.
• 31:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And some of us, you know, we're thickheaded, where we're, you know, I'm 51 this year.
• 31:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And how do I punch through and let it become me?
• 31:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: But you're just at a young man and I'm like, I can hear it.
• 31:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: What more do you have left to go with this?
• 31:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I mean, what's in progress?
• 31:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like do you feel like you've arrived already?
• 31:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Or absolutely.
• 31:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'll far along do you think you are?
• 31:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's this great saying a finish never is, right?
• 31:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: And for me, it's like not.
• 31:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thinking I arrive is like, how good can I get?
• 31:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: How much better can I get?
• 31:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I love Kobe Bryant.
• 31:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: The mom momentality is like, when I go to sleep at night, I'm going to ask myself, in my better today than I was just through.
• 31:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the answer for, you know, to be honest, most days it's not.
• 31:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm the same, right?
• 31:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's three days or I, you know, especially doing with autism sections at the disorder and being an industry like network marketing or coaching or whatever it is, I get socially drained.
• 32:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: My social battery goes down.
• 32:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, you know, if we have a running joke, Julien's always going to the bathroom.
• 32:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what everybody always says, right?
• 32:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: In the reality is, it's like a lot of times when I go to the bathroom, I'm not going to the bathroom.
• 32:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going in there, take a deep breath, right?
• 32:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Go on my phone, I disconnect a little bit just to reframe and then go back out there.
• 32:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I set up different routines and different tools to be able to manage that, you know.
• 32:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Got it.
• 32:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: What are you working on today?
• 32:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: So right now, a couple of things I'm working on.
• 32:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I am working on a book, right?
• 32:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not necessary, a traditional post development book with like, it was like factual, not that it's not facts, but like tips and tricks and stuff like that.
• 32:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think most people have trouble learning like that because they have to accept it, right?
• 32:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like you said, because we're hardheaded.
• 32:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: So tell me a more from an autobiographical standpoint because that's why movies work so great.
• 32:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because when you watch a movie,
• 32:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you are the character, you feel like you're experiencing your feel like you're living it, right?
• 32:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so, work on a book, that's kind of what's happened, and it should be done in like two months, yeah.
• 33:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
• 33:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a, yeah.
• 33:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's everything to me, getting that all those thoughts out.
• 33:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's our philosophy, right?
• 33:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we want to express how we think and feel to the world.
• 33:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 33:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's validating.
• 33:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: And going back to the whole writing thing, because you said you want to be a writer, right?
• 33:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure you read things.
• 33:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Are we a lot of customers?
• 33:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure you've read their things.
• 33:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're like, man, that was shit.
• 33:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, how would you put that out?
• 33:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: So sometimes it's realizing there's people with less ability, less talent out there.
• 33:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Killing it.
• 33:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Killing it, because they're just putting themselves out there.
• 33:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's just, and just know that.
• 33:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because if you can reference that, someone's writing is not as good as yours, but they're still doing it, why should that stop you from putting out something that's better?
• 33:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think going back to a mompa, like the mompa mentality, right?
• 33:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I remember thinking like when I was a kid, I was like, I'm always late.
• 33:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 33:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's just too late.
• 33:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's too late to be mom, but it's too late to be Kobe, right?
• 33:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I guess we can always be that.
• 34:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: We can always transform ourselves.
• 34:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can change your late to any point, any time.
• 34:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 34:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, kind of so transformation, right?
• 34:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Going back to that.
• 34:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you notice, Kobe Bryant was really good, right?
• 34:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: But there's a couple parts of a story that I really relate to that I pull from.
• 34:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: One, when he was young and his dad put him into basketball camp, there was a whole season he didn't score any points.
• 34:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, this score at any point.
• 34:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was like, not good, and his dad said something to him.
• 34:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's as, hey, what these score points are not.
• 34:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'll always love you.
• 34:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that trigger something for him, knowing that he'll be accepted no matter what, right?
• 34:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's good.
• 34:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: But he made a decision that, hey, these people want to be better than me, but if I go to the gym, and I practice and I train, eventually, if I train harder than everybody else, they're going to come a time where my skills are going to overpass theirs.
• 34:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: So there's that too, right?
• 34:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, we're all dealt different hands.
• 34:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: But are you willing to learn how to play that hand?
• 34:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Number one, just because someone's better than you is not very excuse from the outwork, that's number one.
• 34:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: But number two, the other thing that we all pulled from, unfortunately, Kobe's legacy got tainted a little bit to that controversy that you had.
• 35:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if you look at the history, it was when that point happened.
• 35:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: He couldn't really perform in the basketball games.
• 35:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was affected because after the game, he had to go to court, all these different things, saving his relationship.
• 35:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was a that moment he actually created the black mamba because what he did was he created an alter ego, right?
• 35:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, kind of like Bruce Wayne with that many created an alter ego.
• 35:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so in some psychology trainings and stuff like that, they do teach that technique of creating an alter ego.
• 35:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: What does your higher self look like?
• 35:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Step into that.
• 35:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's super hero version of you, right?
• 35:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if you pretend long enough, but you're embodying it like like
• 35:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: it becomes a part of you.
• 35:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you see an acting too, like, you know, on Heath Ledger.
• 35:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, gave us a great performance in the Dark Knight.
• 35:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: But unfortunately, through himself in that role, so much that it literally became a part of them and all the other things that the psychosis and everything, you know, kind of happened.
• 35:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: But it works in the same way.
• 35:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: How do you create your content?
• 36:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: How do you make decisions on what you're gonna say?
• 36:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, my content actually has changed a lot in the last
• 36:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would say year because originally, you know, I didn't really understand social media.
• 36:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I still don't, but I would just put out like surface level stuff.
• 36:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I would copy other influencers or whatever it is, right?
• 36:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, the car is on less stuff, making that the focal point, right?
• 36:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then something came to me, I was like, you know what?
• 36:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, who do I, again, who do I really wanna be, right?
• 36:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so I shifted my Instagram to be coming more like a mirror, sharing things that I wish I heard, things that I learned, being willing to go deeper because if you don't show people who you are, how would they know?
• 36:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's how I kind of how I shape my content.
• 36:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, what shaped me, what benefit me, what would I wish I would have heard.
• 36:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: So essentially, like, I know it sounds kind of cliche.
• 36:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm creating something for the younger me.
• 36:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so as I create the content, you know, my whole thing that my whole piece is of what I learned in my life is that you could become more and you can engineer your identity.
• 37:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: So now I shape my whole Instagram building around different series.
• 37:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: And ever since I shifted it to creating series, so I rock it.
• 37:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: It started growing and I was like well how people really do want to hear this people do really resonate with it because kind of like with writing right sometimes You feel like I know this is important to me.
• 37:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know it matters to me, but is anybody really going to care and before I would create content for people to care But now I shift into creating content that matters to me and naturally through doing that you're going to track people that resonate with you instead of trying to capture everybody Yeah, because I think that everyone should be listening to your content for 10 minutes a day
• 37:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I really do believe, I mean, I wouldn't bring you here.
• 37:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't invite you here if I didn't feel that way.
• 37:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I really told my social media producer, do you got to check this kid out, Julian Donnie.
• 37:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, killing it.
• 37:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, your messaging is making me rethink who I can be.
• 37:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm really shaping it.
• 37:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And like I said, for 10 minutes a day, every morning, it's really like a meditation.
• 38:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: like you're reading something from the stoics or things that will reshape the way you are being in the world is where you're coming from and it's so
• 38:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: So many of us are so go, go, go, go, go.
• 38:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: That we don't take this time to stop, look, see where we're at or we don't head in the right direction and then give people the opportunity to choose.
• 38:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, if how I'm being and what I'm doing is working, keep doing it.
• 38:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: If it's not, maybe there's a different way, the different way to look at things.
• 38:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: So if people want it to like get coaching from you, how does this work or do you even coach so going back to that thing what's funny is so network marketing right when I started making money
• 39:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: my whole life changed, right?
• 39:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then I became a multiple six-ficker earner at 24 years old, I was one of the young, I've never seen any other young Vietnamese people do it, right?
• 39:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because when you're young, you're trying to find people that look like you to model.
• 39:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then when I realized that just because I can't find anybody to model, it doesn't stop me from being that person.
• 39:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: And there was a heartbreaking experience I had in the industry, and I'm very open about it, right?
• 39:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's getting into any industry.
• 39:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure you experience in film, music, and everything.
• 39:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's people that you look up to and I mean there's great speakers on stage talking about God talking about all these different things and leadership stuff and like you know logic that makes sense And when I finally got in that inner circle being young and naive
• 39:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I started realizing not everybody lives their message and like we would we would go to the after events after parties I would hang out with them and some of my would see them cheating on their wives doing all these different things and like just hours ago they're promoting God and I was so heartbroken by that I couldn't process it separating the message from the messenger and I think that's also why like I stepped away from organized religion for such a long time because it was the same experience because
• 40:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: For me, I couldn't understand, like, how could you do that, right?
• 40:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so after that, I went back and actually at that time, too, when I was very successful, I was 210 pounds.
• 40:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was in a very emotionally abusive relationship, right, that I believe I deserve.
• 40:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I had imposters syndrome, right?
• 40:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, going on stage, everybody tell me, oh man, you know, I love you, you changed my life, everything you said was so powerful, but then going back to my hotel room, feeling alone, feeling broken.
• 40:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so I actually walked away from the industry.
• 40:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I went back to the person that created the whole thing, and I got certified in transformation training.
• 40:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so for the next five years out of network marketing, I did transformational work.
• 40:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I did seminars.
• 40:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I did seminars every week.
• 40:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's also part of the reason why I think I can articulate it.
• 40:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I was wondering, yeah, this makes so much sense now.
• 40:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you were like the leader, like when you go to the lab work, you're the guy who's like,
• 40:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're running the whole show.
• 40:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: They take the vans, like I love that.
• 41:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love watching something click for somebody, you know, knowing that you facilitate it that, right?
• 41:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because ultimately, I mean, the fall is when trainers feel like they did it, you didn't.
• 41:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: You open the door for the, it's like Morpheus, the red pill, the blue pill, right?
• 41:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: You just offer them the pill, but they took it.
• 41:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so that was huge, so I went back and I learned it, but also logically understood that there are certain things in transformation that we're missing.
• 41:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because at the end of the day, it also is a business.
• 41:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Everything is a business.
• 41:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: And coaching is all about clients, right?
• 41:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: So when it started becoming more about enrollment, that's the part I didn't really like, right?
• 41:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because you're forcing people to get more people and sort of let them naturally share.
• 41:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because, you know, my definition of enrollment is getting people to do what you want, what them to do, but them wanting to do it, and them feeling good about it.
• 41:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because if you get someone to do what you want them to do, they don't want to do it, or they don't feel good about it, then it's manipulation, right?
• 41:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because then it was no longer win-win.
• 41:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then so I did that for about five years.
• 41:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was great.
• 41:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: And also I think being a trainer, like you asked me like, how do you live with it, can do that?
• 42:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: it it keeps me accountable.
• 42:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right?
• 42:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because again, you know, I do have a look good too, right?
• 42:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe it comes from being Asian.
• 42:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: You don't want to lose face, right?
• 42:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: And because I know I have a global platform because I know people watch my videos, they get value out of that.
• 42:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I lead people in the business because my own personal experience of being let down.
• 42:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: That keeps me accountable.
• 42:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's how I stay on track because I know who, because I know who I want to be.
• 42:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I also know who I don't want to be.
• 42:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what kind of navigates me.
• 42:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I did transformation for five years and after no remark, I was so broke.
• 42:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because I mean, you know, it doesn't pay as well as people think it can.
• 42:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 42:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: But again, it's a business.
• 42:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's different expenses.
• 42:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it came to a point where
• 42:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how to process it because every weekend, I'm watching people change their lives.
• 42:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: People getting out of toxic relationships, people getting to healthy relationships, people repairing the relationships, people losing weight, people going from making 4,000 a month to making 400,000 a month knowing that I helped them do that.
• 42:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is transformation.
• 43:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's transformation.
• 43:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, transformation.
• 43:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they're spreading me yet.
• 43:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm not making money.
• 43:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm doing the training every week.
• 43:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have time to invest in my own life and do all that.
• 43:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: And at the time, it was all about the business.
• 43:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I couldn't venture off to everything else.
• 43:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so when COVID happened, kind of gave me the way out.
• 43:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because you can't do seminars at that time.
• 43:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 43:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, people have been able to make it work.
• 43:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: But for me, I think it would take in too much time.
• 43:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: And because learning pattern recognition, I feed off being in the room.
• 43:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feed off being with people.
• 43:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm creating a real time.
• 43:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Trying to do that in Zoom, when you can't feel it, is for me would be extremely difficult with what I have.
• 43:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then so I shifted, and then I became a fitness trainer for a huge brand called Rumble Boxing.
• 43:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: I applied the same philosophies, became a very successful group fitness trainer, and then I actually ended up becoming one of the only Asian trainers to represent Lou Lemon on their workout mirror and something like that, and I lost a 210 pounds.
• 43:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so I did that for a good, you know, two years, and, you know, my wife's right there, right, she was my girlfriend at the time, and then kind of going back to, like,
• 44:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't got job, even though it was pay me very, very well, I didn't have time.
• 44:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: And seeing my parents working so hard, my parents are such great examples of a married couple.
• 44:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, man, if I have kids, if we get married, I don't want to just end up being roommates.
• 44:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be an absentee father who their kid just knows is working all the time.
• 44:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so around that time is when I was reapproach by network marketing by two of my old mentors were really great friends of mine and I was like kind of like hesitant, I was like, man, my life is so calm, it's predictable, I don't know if I want to do this again, but it's just the right timing, the right product and I got back into it and that's why I've been doing for the last two and a half years and going back to your question about coaching, I still do private coaching because a lot of my old clients end up starting in 500 companies.
• 44:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, when they contact me, I do do trainings for their groups and stuff like that.
• 44:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: What I specialize in is not really teaching people sales, because every industry has its own nuance.
• 44:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: What I kind of show them how to do is how to blend the different areas of their life.
• 44:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, their life outside of the business and sales doesn't affect their sales.
• 45:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like how to deposit into your relationships, how to build your faith, how to build your body.
• 45:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, how to, you know, deposit into your family, so when you're working, your family understands
• 45:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: away from them.
• 45:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: All about enrollment.
• 45:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 45:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: All about enrolling.
• 45:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 45:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's a thing whenever I send people to landmark, I always say this don't do that.
• 45:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't buy into the enrollment.
• 45:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I know it's like part of the, the, it's part of the curriculum.
• 45:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: But if you get in there and you get turned off by that, you're screwed.
• 45:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because then you start fighting it.
• 45:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you start, I just tell people,
• 45:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: When you hear it, just accept it.
• 45:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 45:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: But don't go off and run and call somebody and try to enroll people like right off because it'll shut you down.
• 45:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 45:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it's also,
• 45:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: a skill that you're trying to acquire, which is pushing yourself out of that comfort zone.
• 45:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 45:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: So enrollment is actually a good thing, true enrollment is true enrollment, but it's hard to explain that to anybody.
• 46:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 46:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Unless you live it, unless you've seen it, I've gone through landmark the the forum a few times because my my my my.
• 46:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: the mother of my kids went through it when we first met because she was like very open minded she went through it it really helped her and then her sister or you know and then several of my cousins and so I'd go back and yeah do the refreshers but I always have to warn people
• 46:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Enrolling is a very tricky thing.
• 46:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is.
• 46:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I go back to the definition, right?
• 46:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Enrollment is getting people to do what you want them to do, then wanting to do it.
• 46:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think the most important part of the mess out is them feeling good about it, right?
• 46:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think in transformation and network marketing, both, everything is recruitment.
• 46:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, getting your kids to it to anything to eat their vegetables instead of like eating candy.
• 46:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's enrollment, right?
• 46:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I think the key is when it's when it's natural as a genuine like you generally have something that you know that can benefit from the product Predator from the training and you generally share it with them.
• 47:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's powerful.
• 47:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but when you do it because it's a number or it's a half-two That's when I disagree with it now
• 47:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Julian, thank you so much for coming today.
• 47:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you for having me.
• 47:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was a little taken aback when you asked me.
• 47:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I don't really know how much I can contribute, but okay, like, oh no, I recognized it in two seconds.
• 47:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I knew I was like, I gotta get this like, I knew it.
• 47:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, when I saw you, like I recognized the language, I, you know, I live in that world, right?
• 47:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't talk about it often, but I recognize it because I, I strive to be a certain way, right?
• 47:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for agreeing to do it.
• 47:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, of course.
• 47:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for having me.
• 47:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I felt like a huge privilege for me.
• 47:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
• 47:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Where can we find you?
• 47:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: On my Instagram at the Julien Dome.
• 47:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, everybody.
• 47:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for listening to the Vietnamese with Kenneth Winn.
• 47:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Special thanks to Brittany Tran, to Jane Winn, Katherine Winn, Tina Fam, Sydney Jamie, and Crystal Tran.
• 47:57
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