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The Mac & Read Show - Bears Prep for Final Preseason Game · 2nd City Gridiron

• 0:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: What's happening everybody?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome into another edition of the Mac and Reed show right here on the second city gridiron.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Of course I'm joined as always by Ross Reed for all the bears news first of all at second city gridiron.
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• 0:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: As I said, Ross is here before Colston, Lovelin did it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He had the best version of let me love you that I knew he wishes nothing but the best to Clay Thompson.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: now that he and Megan the stallion are dating.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And he called that new chance album, quote, transcended.
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• 1:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: My man, it's Ross Reed folks.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Finally, we got a hip-hop act in Chicago that we don't have to shame or, or, you know, we got somebody that the big action enjoyed, got to shut up the chance.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, if hard knocks was this year in last year would have been going viral with that the cowboy from Idaho doing his thing.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That was impressive.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He also got Mario's stamp of approval.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So good for him.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Love that for Colston Lovelin and the bears just right and high right now.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk about it in this episode of Mac and Reed and remember you can
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll be talking bears.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll recap that bills game a little bit that fraughtling Ben Johnson wouldn't even crack a smile during.
• 1:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: But we saw a lot of great.
• 1:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Action from the twos and the threes as the bears will will bound there their roster to the fifty three after this last preseason game up coming against the chiefs.
• 2:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about that.
• 2:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about both left tackles still question marks there Ben Johnson not thrilled about it and I'm sure Caleb Williams also not thrilled about it.
• 2:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk running back.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about defensive takeaways as well.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe a little bit of around the NFL.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, we're talking about that chance album to end the show.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Surprises along the way.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'll give you a bonus one to Ross and usually my intro with you.
• 2:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know that you didn't need the FDA to tell you not to buy shrimp from Walmart to get shrimp from Walmart.
• 2:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not only is Ross a little low in fact.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: about Rossries is like a note there's like a match game or like know your coast.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Ross is allergic to shellfish.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So he wouldn't be messing with the the shrimp from Walmart anyways.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We're in torture from Walmart for the outmart even if he was for the ocean.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm I'm bummed I were going to Baltimore obviously at the end of October for bears game and everybody says you have to have a crab cake and I was like I can't that's not what I can do but yeah watch out for that shrimp from from Walmart even before the FDA
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It'll get you all those like, you know, TikTok chefs are definitely doing the show from Walmart on the the seafood boils and planes, whatever.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's just adds to the crust.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Good times.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So to begin, let's talk about it.
• 3:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, not too much else of note from that bill is game.
• 3:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: We all know the score, thirty eight to nothing and it's preseason.
• 3:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's not a ton.
• 3:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: to take away from it besides I think obviously the the few starters that played whereas the bills and this leads to a bigger question to Ross I feel like preseason where they're already getting rid of one of the games essentially and it's a three game preseason now the bills not playing Josh Allen not playing many starters and this is in the midst of hard knocks maybe they just don't want
• 4:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: That sort of access or something like that.
• 4:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: And obviously you just want to remain healthy.
• 4:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the most important thing that we've talked about time and time again, getting out of camp healthy into week one, which which they play Sunday night football against the Ravens, which will be a big AFC match up and the bears again, it's the second year quarterback.
• 4:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe if Caleb Williams goes into that MVP conversation as Josh Allen, he'd be in similar talk.
• 4:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: But, but Caleb Williams out there engineering a terrific drive to start the game was everything you wanted to see with mostly the ones culminating in that, you know, big touchdown pastos, the KS.
• 4:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: You sprinkled in some coast and lovelin in there.
• 4:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was all passing on that first drive.
• 4:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was Ben Johnson saying, hey, get the ball out quick.
• 4:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: over the sense of urgency.
• 4:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: This was after that you know the kickoff was down at the eight so we had to do a ninety two yard drive had to engineer ninety two yard drive.
• 4:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: with most of the ones there.
• 4:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, that was super impressive to see from Caleb Worms and not totally unexpected.
• 5:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: We knew it to expect from this wide receiver core, but to see some some cohesion, some co-existence from Cole Comet and Colston Lovelin getting targets as well.
• 5:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's nice that just Caleb Worms has this.
• 5:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: really embarrassment of riches of weapons and we'll see that and we'll talk about the twos and threes but it was pretty limited.
• 5:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'd also say to the second series just kind of came back down to earth and you're playing again, not all of the starters from the bills but you go and pretty much don't complete a pass on that second series.
• 5:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Still great QBR, obviously in that limited
• 5:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: couple series tape, but anything you like that I didn't mention or didn't like from Caleb Williams and sort of those starters.
• 5:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think, you know, the two things that stuck out to me or his footwork of number one, he was really clean, he was standing in the pocket.
• 5:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: He took
• 5:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: almost every snap from center, which was a very different, you know, situation that we did last year under Shane Walzer and Thomas Brown.
• 6:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you could tell they really worked on his footwork and working on the center and it helped.
• 6:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, go wash and say, you know, playing quarterback is like kind of playing like like like like like you're in the opera a little bit and why receivers are also in the opera with you.
• 6:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And your footwork has to almost line up with their footwork.
• 6:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think last year, Caleb Williams,
• 6:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: really struggled with that.
• 6:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: He really kind of danced round and padded the ball and held the ball on the pocket.
• 6:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he got rid of the football on Sunday at, you know, about two point five seconds, which you want your quarterback to be under a two point seven, you know, five seconds in the NFL.
• 6:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Last year, Caleb finished the season over three seconds.
• 6:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he was holding onto the football and as that happens, you know, you start, you know,
• 6:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: the tax occurring, the protections starts to break down, your footwork starts to get sloppy, and then so does your mechanics.
• 6:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you can tell they really worked on, you know, we know what kind of way we saw in college from USC.
• 7:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's amazing at the freestyle plays and he's amazing when things break down and he can kind of make, you know, chicken salad out of chicken, you know what, but you know, can he
• 7:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: work on the mechanics, stay strong in the pocket, keep this footwork clean, and also get rid of the football on a timing manner.
• 7:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he did just that on Sunday.
• 7:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think those most impressive things to me, ball was coming out fast.
• 7:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he said, went to both items, come back loving the touchdown past as the kids.
• 7:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: He had a little bit of an outrout to DJ Moore.
• 7:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: He missed one pass the second series third down the Roman do Zayne, but I think Roman did say she also should have caught that football.
• 7:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: He hit her right in the hands there.
• 7:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that was just a little bit of a a little bit of an outer throw and and Roman used to kind of flatten out his route a little bit.
• 7:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: But to me, it was just a basis.
• 7:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it was the mechanics that you want to see.
• 7:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was him being able to get the football out clean, you know, his feet look great and he didn't take any hits.
• 7:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's no sacks, you know, he also, you know, he was pushing the ball down the field over the middle of the field as well, which I think is really important.
• 8:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: for what the bear is going to do the season.
• 8:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: They got guys like the keys.
• 8:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: They got guys like Cole commit and in love with and even you know you're in dunes days and eventually burdened when you get into the mix to to work the middle of the football field.
• 8:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's really nice to say kills kill wins do that.
• 8:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was like you mentioned, we knew what Caleb Williams could do being drafted by the Bears in college, make extending plays, being plays with his feet, avoiding sex, which we saw him do some incredible things last season, but also hold on to the ball too long.
• 8:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you said, get in the ball out and under three seconds, so huge to just setting the tone right away.
• 8:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what Caleb Williams said.
• 8:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: He said, I think it sets quote a tone for us as a team.
• 8:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's at the tone for how we expect ourselves to play, go out there, perform.
• 8:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was extremely important.
• 8:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: And Ben Johnson certainly thinks of it that way and look at the way he ran the lines offense for the best couple seasons and made them into a huge contender.
• 9:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're seeing that really start clicking now.
• 9:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I know it's, you've got to get ahead of ourselves before week one against Minnesota.
• 9:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: So to speak, but that's what you wanted just to get those
• 9:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: important reps in, you know, and as you look at the twos in the threes, the next man up is going to be big and certainly your new rookies like Luther Burton with a few catches, almost fifty yards, great Tyson Beijing, you know, looking like the incumbent backup who was really impressive, Austin Booker is going to be a pretty
• 9:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: hopefully good surprise on that defense as far as building on the little bit of success he had last year.
• 9:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then yeah, and thinking like the running back battle has been interesting too to watch when really your starters aren't playing at all.
• 9:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, it's the Andre Swift's job to lose, but then we didn't really have brown in the conversation until this bill's game where he goes off and plays extended time with the ones and twos.
• 10:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: And just a feel good story, too, is Ian Wheeler, who remember who was one of the big takeaways from Hard Knox last year before he got injured, getting a couple touchdowns, you know, need not be sniffing this roster, but certainly helps his chances in the NFL overall, just such a talented smart young man.
• 10:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the defense
• 10:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: We didn't really we weren't on for that that tie wouldn't do often's game but but still the defense is like hey what about us right and there's there's putting a ton of pressure on these other teams again awesome but great
• 10:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: game that time around and just blitzing quarterbacks and just you're seeing this new look defense.
• 10:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: The bringing it just just as much and I'm curious to see what that is now does going into you know week three with these mostly two's and three's and guys on the fringe playing against the chiefs.
• 10:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know what it would also be like to in a couple of preseason games and what do you think could be improved on rocks.
• 11:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I think going back to the running back position.
• 11:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a lot of question marks there.
• 11:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, John, the energy switch is going to be your starter.
• 11:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to get the bulk of the carries.
• 11:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to get a lot of touches, even in the receiving game out the back field.
• 11:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: But there's some question marks outside of that.
• 11:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Rochelle Johnson is being done right now.
• 11:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: A common on guy is also being done right now.
• 11:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Travis Holmer is a veteran, but he's mostly a special team's kind of guy.
• 11:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: He'd really want him out there on the field from an offensive purpose standpoint.
• 11:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I actually do think Ian Wheeler has a shot to make this roster because I think they might need to use him soon in the later.
• 11:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: He might be your third guy on the field.
• 11:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's assuming either when none guy or Rochon can get back healthy.
• 11:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: and then you mix in a guy like, like, you know, really, I mean, there's no secret.
• 11:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: The bear has had to be banged up at the running back position because you didn't see either guy on Sunday in Johnson or, or my non guy.
• 11:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then they keep working out running backs.
• 11:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Today they worked out three guys and worked out voice fraud, Freeman, Kyle and James in Dylan Johnson.
• 11:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: So some, some's going on there.
• 11:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: So there's some, some guy, maybe one or two guys are a little bit more banged up than then, then, then Johnson's a light.
• 12:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that is something to keep an eye on.
• 12:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll be interested to see you who gets the bulk of the carries this Sunday.
• 12:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: If Ian Wheeler is going to see some meaningful snaps, he probably is going to be you're starting running back, this is not something this Friday coming up to see if he can get some burn with the ones, he can get some handoffs, most importantly, from Caleb Williams.
• 12:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Those guys probably haven't handed the football, you know, exchange handoffs a lot from each other.
• 12:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's going to be interesting to see, you know, I like
• 12:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: What we see is we seem to touch it from Tyler Tyson Bayjit.
• 12:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's just a solid, you know, number two quarterback and Lee is all this talk that comes out that Bayjit could be starting somewhere.
• 12:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's he's a nice number two guy.
• 12:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: But he runs the offense and he does what he's supposed to do.
• 12:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And let's hope we don't ever see him in the seventeen regular games and season games coming up.
• 12:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, you hit it on the head, that difference of why, you know, there's going to be a lot of questions on who's going to make this roster, who's not going to make this roster, right?
• 13:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And fortunately, Austin Booker got banged up a little bit on Sunday.
• 13:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's hope that he's okay because I think he can have a big season as a rotational past Russian guy.
• 13:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: But as a guy like Dominique Robinson, going to make this roster, who's also banged up with injuries right now.
• 13:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't seen a lot from since, from Zach Pickens, who was a third round pick.
• 13:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: from from twenty twenty three.
• 13:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then the silver lining where I'm seeing them on the field from a preseason standpoint.
• 13:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: But they're picked this year.
• 13:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: The second round picture marks herner is finally practicing again.
• 13:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, I don't expect him to to be much of a contributor early on season.
• 13:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: But if you ease them in and out to the first quarter of the season, he could be in the rotation guy, you know, with great, you know, Jared and and Ducks for senior and Andrew Billings.
• 13:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then we've got some bodies to really rotate.
• 13:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's going to be something to also keep an eye on.
• 13:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't even also talked about Zaafraiser's name, the fifth round pick from this year as well, from the corner back position.
• 14:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's been battling a personal issue.
• 14:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: We all know what it is.
• 14:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: We respect his privacy.
• 14:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think at this point, this late indie in the game, the bears are going to probably, I hope they don't cut him right because you don't want to burn a fifth round pick that fast.
• 14:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: maybe they can do a phantom IR situation or a chance you can back on the practice squad.
• 14:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that'd be still a blow, right?
• 14:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: When you think about depth and how important it is, and for the young man just to miss all of his rookie preseason, would be disappointing for him, and we don't know what he's going through, but just more disappointing from a team standpoint as well.
• 14:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love, yeah, I hope that Austin Booker, it's something that's just a little banged up and nothing long term.
• 14:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're sort of
• 14:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and these are guys, uh, you know, Andrew Billings got some time and showed some, some, some fire on the defensive line and, and Garbondekster and guys who are going to be rotational.
• 15:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I got to book her who we're looking for someone to be that that other bookend has Russia to to sweat.
• 15:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I hope that Booker can fill that that's need.
• 15:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure that he'll get some reps if he's healthy.
• 15:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's final preseason game against the chiefs.
• 15:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: But really, you know, this all leads back to the things we liked from the bears we talked about offensively.
• 15:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about they
• 15:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the wide receiver depth.
• 15:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Talk about the tight ends.
• 15:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Talk about, you know, putting back at least you, you know, brown and wheeler have some depth back there.
• 15:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: In case, you know, your top couple guys are suffer injury, but offensive line, you don't want it in flux like it is right now or with some sort of hesitations at left tackle, at least with you.
• 15:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the interior has been overhauled and that's going to be your bread and butter and they're going to pay lanes for Swift or whoever's back there.
• 15:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and do their thing, but that's a very important position when, you know, Raxton Jones is is the default starter and Ben Johnson has not been convinced that that he, uh, necessarily he's, he's, I forget the exact quote.
• 16:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's basically been frustrated that it's gotten to this point where Jones is the starter, but certainly not looking like,
• 16:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: to solidly there and try Aussie showing that he can move around the line he got some reps I think it right tackle last week and then he's also coming in a laugh like that versatility is great right if Aussie can do that but with practice in Jones you know how concerned are you Ross we've talked about this we've monitored it for weeks now it would say you
• 16:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I was coming out of that Dolphins game.
• 16:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was very concerned because I think he had a really bad game.
• 16:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: He just had no power in his legs.
• 16:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: He had no stability.
• 16:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: His legs also look very atrophied.
• 16:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: They look very slender, very skinny.
• 16:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, when he was coming off a lower leg injury in your off season, he had surgery.
• 16:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just cut them out.
• 16:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think on hindsight, he probably rushed back a little bit.
• 16:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what happens when you are battling for a starting gig and also you are going into your final year of your contract and you're looking to get paid.
• 17:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, even average left tackles, these games are getting twenty five million dollars a year plus, right?
• 17:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, Braxton has a lot of pressure on him from himself, from his family, from his agent and from the team to say, hey, we need you to get out there sooner or later.
• 17:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of times that can be a detriment.
• 17:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I thought he bounced back better this past Sunday.
• 17:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so now he's got, you know, probably about three weeks or so for him to get right ahead of week one against a very tough Vikings defense.
• 17:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I still think right now, he is the best answer that they have to be the starting to love tackle unfortunately.
• 17:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think Aussie Shapiro has showed
• 17:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: and camp and preseason.
• 17:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's a right tackle right now that's going to take a lot longer to get comfortable on the left side if that's his eventual home.
• 17:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Imagine, you know, this is a crazy analogy, but imagine if you can wipe your butt for it with your right hand, your whole life.
• 18:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then somebody says, hey, try it with the left hand for a few weeks.
• 18:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to feel a little uncomfortable.
• 18:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to be a lot.
• 18:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not going to work out as well.
• 18:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: It takes some time to get used to.
• 18:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you got to give Ozzy some grace and probably give him the entire year unless he absolutely has to get thrown out to there, and then unfortunate emergency situation, because why are you also seeing the rise of the undrafted, you know,
• 18:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: player feel you know Benedict right he's been out there and he's taken some some reps he's clearly gonna make this team now he started off as the guy last year from from hardnars within the thong situation or in the spito whatever he was in but you know now he's a viable guy out there
• 18:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: because, you know, you know, Kira and the guy that they drafted last year, third round, he's been hit or misses, as well.
• 18:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think if Theo had longer arms, he would probably be winning this job right now.
• 18:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: But instead, it's going to go to Braxton Jones.
• 19:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I just want Braxton to get healthy again.
• 19:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he looked better on Thursday.
• 19:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Still not quite comfortable.
• 19:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't have that anchor strength that you're looking for.
• 19:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm hoping within the next couple of weeks,
• 19:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: get stronger.
• 19:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're gonna try ease off a little bit heading into into week one for me.
• 19:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: They ramp right back up right before week one with practice and things like that.
• 19:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of him the rest.
• 19:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's gone through a tough training camp.
• 19:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm hoping that they can buy him some time and get very strategic on how to help him out on that left side.
• 19:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so maybe he gets his legs underneath him.
• 19:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: No pun intended.
• 19:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe by week three and four hopefully, you know, but it
• 19:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: at the beginning, you just have to cross your fingers and pray for the best, circling all the way back to the beginning of the conversation at the top of the show.
• 19:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: All the more reason why you want Kayla Williams getting that football out as fast as possible and getting used today.
• 19:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Your footwork has got to be clean.
• 20:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: These receivers have got to win off the brakes.
• 20:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: You've got to get that football out in your two point seven seconds or less because of that issue on the left side right now.
• 20:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is an issue and Chicago Club has never could agree with you.
• 20:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Braxton Legs are two picks unfortunately.
• 20:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he already had skinny legs before.
• 20:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And now listen, as somebody who's torn his Achilles before and, you know, has
• 20:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: worked in trained individuals with lower leg injuries and things like that.
• 20:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Atrophy is real and it takes a while for these guys to get that strength and up back to speed.
• 20:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: In reality, it's probably going to take them close to a year, post surgery for him to feel like himself again.
• 20:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So right now we're just in the first twenty five thirty percent of that situation and you can see it and you can see it on the field doesn't take much for anybody to see it.
• 20:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my big takeaway is that he's on a short leash and you can't have that glaring need and weakness in the left side.
• 20:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can't, you know, teams are going to know overload the left side.
• 21:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you see, you know, tight end over or there or
• 21:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: running back for extra help.
• 21:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's just not going to work because the rest of the four offensive linemen.
• 21:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel are pretty strong about at this point, you know, side of the three acquisitions in Darnell right.
• 21:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I do feel good about it, but practicing Jones.
• 21:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: As you said, looking pretty shotty, but it's also a recovery.
• 21:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And all the more reason to just get important reps and practice, but.
• 21:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a very distinct possibility that we see him at some point in this regular season if Raxard Jones does struggle, you know, even one week two weeks that we see Aussie at left tackle, if not someone else shuffled around at this point.
• 21:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: But like you said, I'd like for him to be, which he is right now in the depth of how to feel good.
• 21:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: the director left tackle ready like you know on for accidents behind to be like hey I'm going to take your spot if if you know Caleb's getting hit in this in this instance I don't know outside of that there's not a ton you know going into this chiefs game that I'm I'm really you know looking forward to or something that I feel like is a crucial camp battle because I think it's just again
• 22:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: As I talked about the start of the show, the preseason's just not the same as it was even for all these contenders.
• 22:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: For certainly contenders, they're not even, you know, if you're not playing Lamar Jackson week two, you're not playing Pat Mahomes, they're certainly not playing Mahomes or a bunch of these starters against the chiefs, you know, this upcoming game in preseason week three.
• 22:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if there's any other positional battles that you've got an eye on, Ross, but I think it's pretty set as we're
• 22:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: you know, looking towards wrapping up camp air and just seeing who the depth guys are as we look at the twos and threes running out the fifty three man roster.
• 22:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I think they've got some interesting decisions to make, you know, at the wire receiver position.
• 22:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of guys in the back half of that depth chart that are are fighting for some spots.
• 23:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, obviously we just are holding the burden who was absolutely outstanding on Sunday.
• 23:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Who I mean, obviously he's lost his spot is secure.
• 23:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: But
• 23:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: My God, the catch is he was making the blocking that he was doing most importantly, Ben Johnson told you to block the rock when he got hired.
• 23:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he certainly showed that off.
• 23:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: But because of that, you know, the bear is coming to this for the first time a long time, you feel great about DJ and Rome, in Zacchaeus and Burden, right?
• 23:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's four rock solid guys.
• 23:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: That does not leave a lot left over for
• 23:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've never heard of Scott, but you just don't know if you didn't know anyone received.
• 23:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, tell us Scott made a bonehead of play on special teams, you know, to on a kick off on Sunday.
• 23:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like you can't when you're trying to make a roster, you can't do things like that.
• 23:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think, tell us Scott, probably on the outside looking in.
• 23:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: They've reduced my name is probably going to be your primary return guy.
• 23:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: He might be there.
• 23:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then you got guys like Marcus Alexander shut up.
• 23:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: good camp and preseason, you know, we haven't seen much miles boycins, so maybe he gets gone to and you know, you've got like even, you know, JP Richardson fighting for spots.
• 24:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see who makes the practice squad, who are going to be your backup offensive lineman, those things important, new men is the name we didn't talk about, that there are six round pick, that he's played better.
• 24:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, what does that do for guys like, like, Bill Murray and
• 24:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: and Kramer and Ricky Strongberg and things like that.
• 24:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, those things we're seeing, I think from Friday standpoint, I know Ben Johnson came out today and said that the starters were going to play great.
• 24:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they play more than, you know, maybe a series or two.
• 24:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think what he wants to do is get his football team
• 24:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: used to preparing for a game and preparing for a game on the road in a hostile environment, right?
• 24:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to treat this like a true dress rehearsal.
• 24:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have the meetings ahead of time.
• 24:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: We want to, you know, come up with the game plan.
• 24:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: How you prepare for the game?
• 24:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: How do you warm up?
• 24:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a night game, right?
• 24:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: For also their first game in the season will be a Monday night game at home against the Vikings.
• 25:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then I think you go out there and you see Caleb Williams, and I put the over under of him three passing at three passing attempts.
• 25:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I probably take the under on that.
• 25:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he gets three hand-offs and you get him out of there.
• 25:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's it, especially after what we saw yesterday, Joe Burroughs running for his life.
• 25:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Jamie Dales gets a Russian touchdown, but the safety could have murdered him and put him in a hospital and DC.
• 25:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he decided to come with on a hit.
• 25:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I expect this Friday is kind of treated like a dress rehearsal, but get these starters out of there, man.
• 25:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: You hit them ahead, preseason at this point has been so diminished.
• 25:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: We like it because football is back, but it's fine, it's fake football and Ben Johnson sat down with K Adams today and he was like,
• 25:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, when you guys have seen so far in PC's games, that's not even in the Bears offense.
• 25:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't shown you anything yet.
• 25:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: So again, all the more reason, if Caleb Williams goes out there Friday and eight throws, you know, six for six with two touchdowns, as large are going to be off in the offense that they're not even used and Steve's by no other defense coordinator for chiefs.
• 26:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's probably a player very vanilla style too, because those guys have super aspirations over there.
• 26:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't want to see any of their big guys get hurt in the final PC's games as well.
• 26:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: No question advice or Joe asking about Kalmanunga's injury which you know if you look for reports that's undisclosed he just didn't dress for last week.
• 26:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: still quiet.
• 26:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think everybody's still quiet right now.
• 26:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll probably get some more information as they head back into the house hall.
• 26:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe as soon as tomorrow and see who was practicing.
• 26:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I had a cheap game and then we'll definitely get a lot more information.
• 26:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Cut Day is a week from today.
• 26:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: This same time next week when we do a show, we'll have a final fifty three-man roster.
• 26:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll know who's going to be set for week one, a big showdown against the official rival Vikings in the social field on the Monday night.
• 27:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and also hope in that, you know, Jalen Johnson was doing warmups.
• 27:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: We knew that he wouldn't play this race to the other way.
• 27:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, it's a kind of questionable going into week one.
• 27:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: It would be huge loss at corner to start out without him.
• 27:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Got to get in health as well.
• 27:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see.
• 27:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: But if coaching has told us anything this preseason, it's looking good and it's looking night and day between Ben Johnson and Dennis Allen and taking control of their units.
• 27:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which is great.
• 27:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and NFL news throughout.
• 27:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean did you did you ever think that you'd be saying Daniel Jones is the starter for the cult to start things off here?
• 27:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's who Daniel Jones is starting?
• 27:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Joe Flackle is starting Joe Flackle and I're almost damaged.
• 27:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Joe Flackle.
• 27:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what do you start?
• 27:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's done.
• 27:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, you started.
• 27:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: But you know,
• 27:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, listen, I, as much as you want a roof or a kid like Anthony Richardson, because they buy it all accounts, he's a nice kid.
• 28:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, when he's out there, it can be very exciting.
• 28:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: But there's nothing exciting about a guy that has a sub-pifty percent completion percentage.
• 28:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you can't stay in the football field because he gets hurt.
• 28:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, you have this guy who
• 28:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: on paper looks like Cam Newton.
• 28:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: You want to run him like Cam Newton and do those kind of things.
• 28:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: But if he gets hurt, he can't say in a football field, he's not good enough as a pocket pass or to just turn him into that.
• 28:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, you have to let Daniel Jones go out there and give it a shot.
• 28:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, history has shown us that doesn't look good either.
• 28:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: You've got a GM and a head coach right now fighting for their careers, because both guys could be fired by the end of the season, especially now that Jim Rossey has passed away, and that has now been passed on to his daughters.
• 28:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: They have no allegiance to these guys right now at this point.
• 28:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so you have to go with the guy, you feel more comfortable with who can win games right away, and that's Daniel Jones, who, even though he was nightmare at the end there with the giants, and then he was stashed.
• 29:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: on the Vikings for a lot of the second half of last year.
• 29:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you just can't put Anthony Richardson out there.
• 29:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do expect Anthony Richardson probably gets some playing time at some point, just because I just don't think Daniel Jones will last more than Saturday games max before he flames out as well.
• 29:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: quite a mess from from last year and we knew you know anything Richardson saying it like you said had all the potential to be a mobile mix quote you know throwing quarterback a lot came newton could could stuff the stats but character issues play into it I think and then you know health issues obviously even more so you know his agent said he reacted with disappointment in the move and said is unsure of his future with the club but you figured
• 29:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: One of the future is there right now.
• 29:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: You got to play for your next job with the cults and if you're getting benched at this point for Daniel Jones, it's it's not great.
• 29:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: And like you know, like we talked about at nauseam, the breezes and this breezes and all about getting guys healthy.
• 30:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Joe Burrow didn't even want any part of the commanders and that defense on the Monday night football game there.
• 30:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's starting to feel real.
• 30:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: as we're preparing for week one, you know, in the bare side of things against the Vikings, you know, you're starting to think about who's really favorites as we know the chiefs and in Eagles, facing off in the Super Bowl last year was was a great one for the Eagles, great one for the Eagles, and they're looking to sort of
• 30:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: be their own NFC dynasty, but now we're figuring out, you know, the the future bets and all the sorts of fun things that will take place in this twenty twenty five season getting pumped.
• 30:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think if you look at the very top of the league right now, your top heavy Super Bowl contenders, the defending champs, but they still have the most lauded roster in the NFL right now.
• 31:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he opened up a home game against Dallas on Thursday night football, a Dallas team that
• 31:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what's going on in my comparison, so you kind of need them.
• 31:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you want people to fill up the Eagles, and then you look at the AFC, the Chiefs are still really good.
• 31:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, the Chiefs are a little bit better than they were last year.
• 31:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, that's pending whatever happens with her She Rice and that potential
• 31:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: suspension situation.
• 31:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then, of course, I think Buffalo is really good, too.
• 31:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, of course, definitely another team that is also battling as a kind of that second contender spot with them or the Ravens, those two teams play each other opening night Sunday night football.
• 31:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's an amazing game, too.
• 31:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the NFC is a little bit more up for grabs, right?
• 31:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we, you know, people think Washington didn't can be that team.
• 31:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty skeptical.
• 31:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think they brought on a lot of old guys and I do need to see it again from Jane and Daniels in year two.
• 32:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't write off the forty-nineers just because their schedule was really easy and they still have on the best play callers.
• 32:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you had a foul and I'm still a big belief in party.
• 32:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then a dark horse from me and that in that conference is the buck and years.
• 32:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think if they can get just some work back there, their love tackle who's going to miss probably the first month of the season.
• 32:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, Baker, whatever you want to say about Baker Mayfield, you might be a top ten quarterback in the playground.
• 32:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the guys threw for like five thousand yards last year.
• 32:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Played like a last year.
• 32:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
• 32:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: They got an awesome running game and bucky Irwin.
• 32:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: They got this this receiver, you know, a bugo that they that they drafted.
• 32:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: who's going to be out there with Mike Evans and they can now cruise out with the eases way back into a difference not bad.
• 32:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think they can be a contender as well.
• 32:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: But we were excited.
• 32:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Football's back.
• 32:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: We get college football games this weekend too.
• 32:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not stuff the easter way back into things.
• 32:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we get a big college football match of Labor Day weekend where we get number one versus number two, Texas versus Ohio State.
• 33:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to be that time in the year.
• 33:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: You fancy football drafts are coming up.
• 33:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: We got a fancy draft this Sunday.
• 33:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, you hate to see some are going away, but this is just truly is turning into the best time in the year as always.
• 33:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's it helps ease the pain of summer and when you get a little bit of football and then that you know we get the the late September still kind of warm going into October.
• 33:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's nice.
• 33:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Agreed on what you said about the NFC.
• 33:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'd also say you know Detroit is it's going to be interesting to see what the departure of Ben Johnson.
• 33:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: How they perform this season with other offensive guru.
• 33:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: and see if Jared Goff takes a step back, but we know how loaded that roster is, you know, Atlanta seems like pretty solid on paper if they could make a run, and then NFC South, which was kind of up in the air last season for a while, but Pampe Bamm with you there, and challenging the forty-nine is the seahawks seem to be kind of right on the cusp.
• 33:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: But if you're looking at the AFC, it's Buffalo, Baltimore, or Kansas City, or Boston.
• 34:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's very,
• 34:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: you know, top heavy with those guys and those all three MVP candidates in the quarterbacks of Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson and Patrick Holmes, just friends, send it quarterbacks for sure.
• 34:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: That, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that
• 34:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if that's your ceiling, or if you had a fine season, I just don't know how you can go out and you can beat Pat my homes in Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson.
• 34:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I can't get there with Dumber.
• 34:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: But they got a fun roster across the board though on offense and defense.
• 34:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: They do, yeah, and especially if they can, you know, compete in the AFC West and get some some wins, you figure that the Raiders are still rebuilding, so to speak, and then the Chargers are very up and down with Herbert.
• 35:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, they could be, it could be second banana to Kansas City, which is never too terrible.
• 35:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: But let's talk about, did you see weapons, Ross?
• 35:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I saw weapons in the theater.
• 35:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: I saw the day came out.
• 35:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thurly enjoyed it, I think Zach Carter is turning into, he's on that Jordan Peel Rhyme Coogler, like when this guy comes out and movie, he better go see it right away, kind of direct there.
• 35:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you, I compared it to two TV shows, I'm sure my age here, but
• 35:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: One is the Twilight Zone and the other one is Tails from the Crypt and I think if you enjoyed those two TV shows and if you're old enough to see those two TV shows
• 35:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you twilight zone.
• 35:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: You had the same five to me.
• 35:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate it.
• 35:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to spoil everybody else's scene yet.
• 35:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate it.
• 35:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: The point of view standpoint that they did, and I thought that the ending the last twenty minutes was just wacky that shit in a very fun, exciting way.
• 36:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I love it.
• 36:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, as a horror, aficionado,
• 36:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: you get exhausted with the ghost in the third floor or the the same old mundane concept that you see in these horror movies now.
• 36:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it was funst for it to see another unique story from from Criter, you know, he gave his Barbarian which is absolutely just instant horror classic from a few years ago.
• 36:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I love it.
• 36:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and some and who's a big movie, if it's you and I said I have to see barbarian before scene weapons barbarian listen they would be a very fun double feature you might you might lose a little bit sleep that night, but fire up fire a barbarian and then go see go see weapons.
• 36:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
• 36:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: In my wife and I were listening to the radio driving around and and the you know the jock was talking about the
• 36:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: sort of plot of weapons just like turn that up and she thought it was a new like our new story it was like this isn't no talking about a movie if there's no third graded run around like this again don't spoil the plot for people no um you're if you get a run out the house looking like he's about to take off on a runaway a two seventeen a.m.
• 37:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: you got a problem
• 37:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: You got problems.
• 37:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, who's got no problems as chance.
• 37:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a great.
• 37:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: And well, really, man, we talked about it.
• 37:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just kind of being a slower start to, you know, the summer music.
• 37:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just not a ton of like big projects coming out from certainly the pop standpoint.
• 37:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, you know, which we don't really care about anyways.
• 37:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're in it for the hip hop and
• 37:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: and clips started off and then we got that Alfredo too from Freddy Gibbs and then Jids knew album came out and all these guys announcing tourism like Tyler had album in there too all these doors yeah and of course Tyler's you know sort of more dancing album but then chance to throw his hat in the ring here and and we haven't heard from chance in years I feel like to me you know he had what was it the big beautiful day or whatever it was called which was not good it was like album just like
• 38:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: add follow up to coloring book.
• 38:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then to go, you know, now to this album where I feel like to me and I love that it's it's not
• 38:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 38:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like some people don't like it when when you're not advancing your sound.
• 38:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: So to speak, but it sounded like a mix of, you know, mixed tape chains were coloring book.
• 38:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's, uh, acid wrap chance.
• 38:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
• 38:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: So Starline, the name of that album that came out on Friday, and I was like, oh, man, this, this chance album's out.
• 38:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he's got the, the frequent collaborators like Jamila Woods and Vic Manson there.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Do we, do we bad ass was great?
• 38:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: The elements of song that verse that Vic does is incredible.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: and he was as he's a interesting social media follow in and he was talking about how he does not mind being second banana to to chance or you know having a great features just as good as having that at number one song in his eyes but yeah I think there was a lot of great stuff like tree felt like it could have been on coloring book with low-winds me know and like burn your block is also up there with you know the catering out of uh... produced track that he had I was
• 39:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: thoroughly into it, you know, our buddy Ed said it was like one of the best comeback albums he had ever seen.
• 39:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was just really unexpected.
• 39:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like he should just should have hyped it more.
• 39:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's up there in the conversation with those other three hip-hop albums.
• 39:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: It definitely is.
• 39:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy that chance rebounded and really
• 39:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: worked on his craft, worked in the lab, put out a good album.
• 39:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even forget, you know, when coloring the book came out, I think Chance was like the inverted one, right?
• 39:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was the one who was like, all right, here we go.
• 39:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Here's our next bona fide superstar and then he does a lot of future is on life a problem, right with Kanye West, he's on his on his on his on
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  [SPEAKER_01]: waves.
• 39:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's on the opening track, which is one of the best hip-hop verses in the twenty-first century in my opinion.
• 40:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be an ultra-light beam, absolutely.
• 40:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Then he's got the SML performance where he does that verse on there and everything was like, here he is, this guy.
• 40:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then that album we talked about, where he just talked about how he loved his wife for the whole time.
• 40:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is one of the worst hip-hop albums ever.
• 40:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's no slight to his now x-wife, but it's just a bad out.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So I was happy to see him rebound.
• 40:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you hit on the head.
• 40:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: You went back to old chance.
• 40:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was a lot of coloring book, ass-a-rap style, but also you can tell he matured a little bit.
• 40:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Before he's due, he did.
• 40:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's talking about a lot of drugs and stuff that he did.
• 40:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And now this man's a father and things like that.
• 40:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I appreciated the project.
• 40:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was still very, very soulful, which is what the best part of chance is.
• 40:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the the initial track after the intro intro, he's got Dura Dye.
• 40:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we speak of Chicago legends, you know, and do all the eyes also have the moment right now too because, you know, they went viral when they're, you know, most popular songs ever and never had a video.
• 41:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they decided
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  [SPEAKER_01]: thirty years later, it's just recorded video for it and it's awesome and it's like in Chicago and it's got twisted in and stuff like that.
• 41:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, good for Chicago hip-hop, good thing Chicago hip-hop needed this right now.
• 41:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, even like, she keeps just turned thirty years old the other day.
• 41:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: How's she keep only thirty years old?
• 41:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like he's been out for like twenty something years.
• 41:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it was again, another good cap to some of the veterans in the game saying, all right, we're going to break hip-hop back to its prominent state that it needed to be at, which was away from the TikTok kind of nonsense, the minute in forty-seven second songs and it's not happy where the product was at.
• 41:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we've got some amazing albums, amazing projects last couple weeks.
• 41:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And oh, by the way,
• 41:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: You get a ghost face on this Friday.
• 41:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, you get a ghost face kill on this Friday and it's like, yeah, time to go for a ghost face on, that has no eyes on it and everybody from the routine and all this like, like, hell yeah, like let's, let's go, right?
• 42:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's grown people hip hop is back and I'm for it.
• 42:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's really, you know, you see the old end, the news school just dominate too.
• 42:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, Jid and Freddy Gibbs are at the top, I think, of the conversation for a lot of folks and then.
• 42:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Very old souls of hip hop too, you know?
• 42:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 42:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 42:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Boy, yeah.
• 42:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then I should say, Jid with that clips feature on one of his songs too, who is just great.
• 42:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Got to see him on tour, I think.
• 42:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: The chance, I mean, yeah, I'm wondering now where he pivots from here.
• 42:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure it's worth coming now and as well, it should be and hopefully gets back to that real creative peak where he was at because that's all it takes is when you're at bottom, takes some time away.
• 42:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's still what he's like thirty at this point.
• 42:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's a great young.
• 42:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've got a lot of career ahead of him.
• 43:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just look at the guys who are still putting out music like Nas and clips and and Ghost Faces.
• 43:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: You said Ghost Faces on, you know, whatever is like six studio album at this point is and you'll be good man.
• 43:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like burn your block.
• 43:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Did you have a favorite song on that album?
• 43:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I did, it's about the, the jitter.
• 43:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love the, like you said, I love the, the saw that he had with clips, you know, I hate the fact that this is my old man speaking to me.
• 43:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hate when these guys don't put the features on the album, like they don't tell you who the features are.
• 43:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: but then Spotify eventually did it.
• 43:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the Vince Staples song was obviously crazy and the other just super underrated artist for me.
• 43:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love Westside Gun.
• 43:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know he's not for everybody, you know, coming from the Grizzel.
• 43:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're click, but he's on the first song with with Jid and then I'm always excited.
• 43:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: One of the newer acts that I do enjoy is Don Talver.
• 43:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm always excited to hear Don Talver on a track as well and he had a great track with Jid too.
• 44:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's just
• 44:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: another very fun album.
• 44:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I like Jed as a very like numerical fast rapping guy.
• 44:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I like that he kind of switched his flow a little bit from the album and he kind of slowed it down a little bit and gave you you know some something that you can hear and I think the most important takeaway from me from the clips album was
• 44:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Those guys have emancipated every single word, and I can hear every single word, which was again, bring that back in hip hop, you know, no, no, no, just to offset, and in some of these all the guys, but I like to actually hear what you're saying, when it matches the beat and the cadence of the song as well.
• 44:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, bring some more of that back.
• 44:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and clips would also say, too, like, you know, we'll have features on here, but don't shy away from you being the center of having like the best tracks on the album.
• 44:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think you did that too with glory and work.
• 44:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like work with the single going into this album.
• 44:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to see him on tour.
• 45:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's so talented.
• 45:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: He had the, he had the pop-up show at Reggie's a couple weeks ago.
• 45:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: That looked like a blast.
• 45:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, actually, you know, hard for us to get out there on a Tuesday and stake out a line for a couple hours to do, but I'm not twenty twenty some year old self said, yes, get me out there.
• 45:16
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• 45:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm super close to him.
• 45:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the some of the best chicken wings in the city Chicago underrated rooftop.
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