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What Is a Mediumship Circle? Nicola Ghigi on Development, Energy & Finding Your Path 🔮 · The Psychic Explorer

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Hello, I'm Matt and I am a psychic medium, but
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it has taken me quite a while to feel comfortable
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saying that. In my podcast, I explore the up
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and down journey of getting comfortable with
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my psychic and mediumship abilities. I will be
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talking with guests about their experiences whilst
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turning the spotlight onto myself and figuring
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out how I can embrace my gifts while living a
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normal life. So welcome to The Psychic Explorer.
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Hello everyone, welcome to this episode of the
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Cycling Explorer. If it sounds like I'm driving,
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it's because I'm driving. I've been trying to
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find time to do the recording to the introductions
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and the outros and it is taking up a lot of my
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time so I decided to try and take my microphone
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my mini microphone with me while I work so I
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can record them while I'm out and about and be
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a bit more spontaneous so I'm taking you on a
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bit of a journey this afternoon I am driving
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From one client to another it is Good Friday
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and I don't do Easter, I never really have. I
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have to admit I completely forgot it was Good
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Friday today. I went to the post office to send
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a card to a friend whose birthday is on Sunday
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and I was completely perplexed as to why the
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post office was closed. I went to the door and
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I pulled it open or tried to pull it open. and
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it was locked shut and I looked inside it was
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all the all the lights were out I thought what
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is going on and it suddenly dawned on me about
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10 minutes later that actually it's Good Friday
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and everything is closed so by the time that
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you are listening to this obviously you still
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would have been and gone so I hope you enjoy
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your time with family and ate lots of chocolate
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and everything else that goes with the modern
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version of Easter. I am going from my lovely
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client, my lovely 12 .30 client to my three o
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'clock client. And yeah, I thought I'd take you
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along the journey. So if you can hear the engine
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going in the background, the gears changing,
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the indicator, then that is why. Today's episode
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is a special one to me. I am taking you on a
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journey today as I go from client to client,
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but someone who has been really special in my
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personal journey has agreed to come on to the
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podcast today and allowed me to ask her questions.
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If you have listened to previous episodes, then
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you will have heard her name already. is the
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leader of the face -to -face circle that I attend
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most Wednesday evenings. And she has really helped
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support me. And I'm really lucky to have two
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circle leaders, not only Nicola, but also Dana,
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who was on a month or so ago. Not only fantastic
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supporters within their circles, but also supporters
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in my other ventures. They were both more than
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happy to come onto this. podcast and be recorded
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by myself. So I'm forever grateful for both of
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them. But Nicola really pushed me in a positive
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way. I started going to her circle because I
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felt a real need to experiment some more, to
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push myself some more. So I had listened to the
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urge to seek out other circles and I had done
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so and found Nicola's circle. I'd looked online,
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looked on Facebook and the Norfolk Spiritual
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Centre came up. I looked on the Facebook page
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and it said that there was a circle going on
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and it happened to be in the next village over
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from my village and I thought, wow, that is,
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of all the villages in Norfolk where I live,
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this circle is going on and they're looking for
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new people to come along to it and it is happening
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in the next village over. So I called her up.
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and I asked if I could come along and I went.
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And from that moment, Nicola was so welcoming.
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Now she was very different to the woman that
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led my other face -to -face circle who I was
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going through at that time. She was a lot more
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vocal, almost a lot more opinionated, and it
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was just a completely different energy and I
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really enjoyed the challenge that she... gave
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me of challenging myself, because I remember
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going in there and the first reading I ever did
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in Nicholas Circle, I was channeling this woman's
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grandmother and she was showing me a ring. Now
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my other circle leader has said to me, only ever
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say what is being channeled, what is being bought
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for, don't ever ask questions because that's
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when your mind makes things up, which to me that
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was logical, that made sense. So when I said
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to this woman, and to Nicola who was there with
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me at that time. I've got this grandmother, she's
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showing me a ring. Nicola said, what does the
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ring look like? I asked her and I looked at her
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and I thought, is this a trick question? Am I,
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is this a test to see if I'm doing it right or
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not? So I did. I said, there are three stones,
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on the outside two of them are green, so emerald,
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and on the middle one is diamond. And the woman's
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jaw dropped and said, oh my God. you're describing
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exactly the ring that my grandmother left me.
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And I looked at Nicola and she just smiled at
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me and said, you've just got to be curious, be
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nosy. She said, that's where the juiciness is.
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If you're being nosy, that's where the juicy
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stuff is. And it gave me a confidence that, oh,
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this can be done in a different way. This doesn't
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have to be done in such a rigid manner. You can
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play around with it. You can have fun with it.
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And that fun, I feel, really comes through in
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this conversation between me and Nicola. Not
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only do we talk about Nicola's coming to this
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spiritual world, how she felt about it, but we
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also talk about circle, because I'm very aware
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that I throw these phrases around in this podcast,
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assuming that you may know what they mean, but
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you may not. So... I want to go back to basics
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on this episode and uncover what Circle is, what
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it means to different people, and who is Circle
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for. The answer to that is everyone. I'm really
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excited to introduce you to my Circle leader
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and someone who I consider a friend, someone
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who I consider a champion, a supporter. someone
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that has made a massive difference in my personal
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development and my life. She was the first person
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to encourage me to stand up and do an actual
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platform event. She invited me along to an event
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that she was going to on a Sunday evening and
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she gave me the option to come along. It was
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completely out of the blue and I haven't spoken
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about it yet, but I will do soon. It was a Sunday
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morning. I was having a lie in. and I remember
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getting a message from her on my phone saying,
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hi Matt, hope you're well, enjoying your Sunday.
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I'm going to a platform event tonight and I'd
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like you to come along to do some platform work.
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And my blood just went cold. I felt utterly,
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utterly sick. And the whole day I was in panic,
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but I messaged her and I said, I don't want to
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do it. But I feel like if I say, no, I'm not
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going to do it again, so let's do it. I'm going
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to take the plunge and trust that this is going
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to work out all right. And I didn't look back.
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It was amazing. I've done it five times now.
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And it's not blowing me on trumpet, but it just
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shows that once you start believing that you
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have the confidence, you actually do find that
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confidence. And confidence is also another...
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theme of today's conversation, something that
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Nicola seems to have plenty of. Again, I really
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hope you enjoy this one. I'm going to stop blathering.
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I have now reached my destination. I hope you
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enjoyed that little ride with me. Here's Nicola
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Ghigi. Enjoy, guys. Nicola Ghigi is a spiritual
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medium, qualified energy healer and tutor. Having
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been on a personal journey of spiritual exploration
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for over 30 years, Nicola founded the Norfolk
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Spiritual Centre just after lockdown and has
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dedicated the last five years to teaching others
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through workshops and development circles. She
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continues to grow this community for spiritual
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exploration through sharing her knowledge after
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years of study, questioning and listening to
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soul. Nicola, welcome to the Psychic Explorer.
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How are you? I'm very well, Matt. And actually,
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it's an absolute pleasure to be here. I feel
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honored to have been asked. Thank you. Well,
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thank you, Nicola. I really appreciate you coming
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on. As you know, this podcast is all about the
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realities of stepping into your psychic and mediumship
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abilities. As a circle leader, and I know I cringe
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when I use that phrase, I don't like it, but
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you have played a huge part in my own development.
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You lead the face -to -face circle that I go
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to once a week. You also said in your bio that
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you lead development groups, and I have attended
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some of those as well. So I'm really excited
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to talk to you today, Nicola, not only to talk
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to you about your experience of development,
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but also to get your thoughts on what the concept
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is around Circle. Before we get into Circles
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though, I would really be interested to know,
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how did you step onto this journey and how did
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you begin exploring? Gosh, and we go back a few
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decades now, don't we? Yes, it's just over three
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decades. It was where I now understand and I
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believe through trauma. Mine was through a passing.
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The trauma can be many different things. Passing,
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you know, an accident or a problem in life or
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possibly birth. But mine was the moment my mother,
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bless her heart, passed to spirit. I was with
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her, I held her, and her last breath, literally
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her last breath, was almost a breath within me
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again. From nowhere it is, where are you? Where
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have you gone? I know you're still close by.
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It is as simple as that. It was almost sort of
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a body jerk. From her last breath, that last
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breath went within me. and I've said it to you
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Matt before, I thank my mother because in my
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world, in my mind, she gave birth to me twice.
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Once in this physical world that we live in now,
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and she gave birth to me spiritually. So as hard
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as it is to say that my spiritual adventure,
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journey, path, whichever words you wish to use,
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was through the death or the passing of my mother.
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I know that sounds strange, but in some ways,
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she blessed me yet again. I hope you don't mind,
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but the phrase that you've just used there, I
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have taken that on board myself. And when I repeat
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that to other people, they say to me, oh my God,
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that is such a beautiful phrase. It is so emotive.
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It is so emotional, but it's also completely
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true, isn't it? Yeah, and certainly that thought
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held my grief like in a warm duvet that thought
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of the fact that she's still here holding my
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hand but I didn't quite know how far that road
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was or what that road was at that time. But now
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I see it all and when I think of her and that
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gift, endless gifts that my mother gave, it was
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her greatest, her final but her greatest. This
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happened 30 years ago? Yeah, just over. So we're
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talking pre -internet. When your mum passed and
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when you felt this knowing that there's something
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else going on, how did you begin exploring? Well,
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as you say nowadays, this wonderful internet
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and this ability to go, as we'll talk about shortly,
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onto circles all around the world. um which is
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which is you know learning or understanding can
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become shouldn't become too quick but there is
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it's there for you for me i see now um may i
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indulge myself with a little bit further after
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my just literally some weeks after my mother
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passed away i sat there at a table with one of
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my children who was actually only two and a half
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i didn't know all i knew was something was happening
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And she turned to me while she was coloring at
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the table and she said, Oh, mommy, I saw Nana
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and Big Nana. Excuse that, everybody. Big Nana
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was my, my Nana was so vain. She didn't want
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to be called great, great Nana. So sorry, everybody
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digress there. She said, I saw Nana and Big Nana
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last night. And of course, as you can imagine,
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I just turned to her and said, Oh, are they all
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right? She said, two and a half, she said, oh
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yes, they're absolutely fine. They've got lots
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of lovely friends over there. Wow. And that too
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still puts chills, not that chill, that thunk
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within me now, literally a few days later. And
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I was thinking, gosh, is this my lead? What is
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going on? Literally two days later, I sat there
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talking about 31 years ago with the big newspaper
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at the table. and all of a sudden the whole newspaper
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went blank apart from one piece in the middle
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and it was from a lady whose son had passed through
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a motorbike accident. She was beside herself.
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What could she do? What should she do? And it
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gave the number then of the SNU, which is the
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Spiritist National Union, telephone number. Contact
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them. They must have somebody that can help you.
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So what does Nicola do? She's straight up on
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the not the mobile, the landline. I rang this
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number and they gave me three names of people
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in my area that I could contact that would maybe
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help me to try and understand or I could have,
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I didn't know what that word was, a reading.
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I thought, what's that then? So I did and one
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name came out, one name came out. I met with
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this lady who at that time charged nothing, wanted
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no money, nothing at all. She was traditional
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of mediums of her time. She then became my mentor,
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still is really these 30 years later. But did
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I, how did I do it? I don't think I did, did
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I? Because everything was placed. in front of
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me. I just happened to notice, I happened to
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listen, I happened to act. And this is what,
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as I said, we're all psychic. This is what will
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happen through trauma. It triggers that within
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us, that one where we're always looking for something
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else to go wrong. And so we're very, very hyper
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vigilant, aren't we? So really, what did I do?
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I don't, I see it now, I didn't do much apart
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from act. on signs and little things that were
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placed in front of me by my mother, by the other
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world, who was it? And so this is where it began
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for me. There was no internet. She became my
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teacher. I would drive to see her. She would
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lend me books. She would tell me because she
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had this world of knowledge and experience. She
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had experienced everything. I know we talk about
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circle now, but on a far deeper level of physical
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mediumship. um every kind of experience and you
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know she was also a an earth healer and everything
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so she lent me books we talked for hours that
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was my school that was my spiritual school so
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you were totally new to this you didn't even
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know what reading was you had no experience of
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this world beforehand no No, no, I see, like
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many of us will do now, I see that there's a
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little bit of understanding me as a child. Yes,
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I see it all later on, but at that point, at
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that point, no, I had, it was a new, a new world.
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So you're going to this woman, this now your
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mentor, and she's taking you through so many
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topics. You must have had self -doubt. I mean,
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I'm presuming... Did you have any self -doubt
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or did you just know that this is what was happening?
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At that time, I believed it was certainly not
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self -doubt. It was a thing of sort of, oh my
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gosh, not doubt what's going on. I can't say
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it was self -doubt at all. It was just... a new
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beginning. So it was just, I was rejigging my
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mind, rejigging my emotions, everything. So self
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-doubt, I think self -doubt came in a little
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bit further down my adventure, further down the
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years. But then, no, I was like a child, I just
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wanted to soak in everything. And what it did
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was, it diluted my grief to a point where, yes,
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I don't know where that came from. I think it
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came from, as we'd say, it came from my team,
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my friends, and that's what it did. It made,
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there was a reason, a reason for all that had
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happened. Okay, so if initially you did not have
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any self -doubt, did your friends and family
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have doubt? And did they think, okay, this is
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just Nicola's way of grieving? Let her crack
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on. And if that's the case, how did that make
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you feel for something that was so real to you?
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I remember hearing the talks with sort of, you
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know, grandparents, slightly unusual child. I
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come from a household of men which sort of, I
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don't know, I felt the need to dominate and sort
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of be the biggest and boldest out of all my brothers
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and everybody. So they didn't really question,
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I suppose in the beginning when they were grieving
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as well, you know, grieving hugely, it was a
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case of, oh, just let her play. If that's what's
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going to help her, then just let her do that.
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So it was that. Do they think they... Yeah, they
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quietly, quietly just let their odd sister, odd
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daughter carry on doing her oddness. So yeah,
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it didn't even bother me because to me there
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was one direction and that was ahead and to understand.
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So that confidence that you show every week in
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circle, The confidence that you show the world,
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as true as that is now, that was true then? Absolutely.
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This certainty still sits within me now. And
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we're not talking about self -doubt because this
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certainty, that's true even at the beginning
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of the depths of despair and that I had this
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excitement that all that was to come, sort of,
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you know, all that was to come. This is why I
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love it when I go, you know, teaching now and
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sharing knowledge because I just want everybody
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to just feel taste smell hear all of that that
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I felt at the beginning and I still do it at
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times obviously especially when I'm with students
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because I'm still learning I'm still observing
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so everybody should have everybody should come
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into Nicholas sweet shop and have a bit of that
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sugar rush or spirit rush Okay, thank you, because
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I think that really helps people understand,
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especially me as well. You know, the vast majority
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of the episodes I've spoken about have been about
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my self -doubt or around my confidence in this.
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It's lovely to hear that you can be confident
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in this journey and not always doubting yourself.
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Okay, so this episode is all about circles, so
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let's go back to basics. What are circles and
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who are they for? Okay, there are generally two
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forms of circle. They are there for developing
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your psychic senses, your connection to the spirit
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world, to discover yourself. A circle is there
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for so many reasons, but you will get an open
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circle of which you join, which I'm running with
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you, Matt. That's an open circle. So it's open
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to anybody wishing to just get their rucksack
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on their back and head off on their adventure,
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spiritual adventure. Then you get a closed one
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where you will just, you have to be invited.
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it will be a select view and it's not there no
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hierarchy in it it's just they wish to keep that
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because it's a building a circular form of energy
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it's a building of energy within a circle so
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it can move round and round and connect so with
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a closed circle they will be you know they're
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possibly possibly further along in their development
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or where they are and they will be very dedicated
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and they will have their time. They will not
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miss anything. Thank you for saying that they
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are not hierarchical because if you are new coming
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to this, phrases like open circle, closed circle,
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they can sound really off -putting and actually
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really intimidating to a lot of people. Yeah.
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Oh, it's absolutely, so it's none of that. It's
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just a different, I would, in my view, it's more
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of a sort of the intensity people might wish
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to work at and those that are on exactly their
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same pathway. So it can be quite intense, this
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energy. And that means that they are working
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with each other all the time and nobody else.
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So the energy that's built up and the teams that
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surround them or guides or helpers, whatever
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you wish to call them, it gets stronger and stronger
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because there's not people leaving and others
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popping in and disturbing the energy here and
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there, which an open circle that can happen.
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Can anyone go? Can someone who has just lost
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a loved one wanting to communicate with them
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go to a circle? Can someone who has had no spiritual
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or mediumistic or psychic experience before go
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because they want to start developing it? Who
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are these for? For myself personally, I do like
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to have a little chat with the people to try
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and understand them so they don't just walk in.
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Because as a circle leader, I am in charge of
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the energy. Anybody can come to open circles,
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it's true. And the wonderful thing we mentioned
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a little while ago about the internet, you can
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pop in. You know, you can pop in. Me, I would
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want to know the reason to be sure that they
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would be safe within that circle. I need to make
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sure everybody's safe. What are their reasons
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for coming? Everybody has different reasons.
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They need to understand themselves, mainly what
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is happening to them. They come for healing.
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Some will come, which I'm not sure is because
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they want to hear from their loved ones and they
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think they can just get messages from people
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there. Maybe that's not the way forward, but
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I don't wish to judge. people. I just wish to
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gather them for the right reason and hold them
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within their specific needs. Anybody can do it.
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You will get people who come more on the healing
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side for themselves and for others. You get those
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that are so energy. It's all happening. I don't
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understand it. What's going on? I need to know
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more. And others trying to find their route.
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their spiritual route, because within our circle
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there's many crystal healers. There are so many
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things, right? There are so many things, but
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ultimately it's that communication with the other
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world. But yeah, you're never going to understand
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if you don't dip in to see. And there is that
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thing, there is always circle hoppers. I like
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to call them circle hoppers because they can't
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quite find what's for them and they might step
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away completely. But thank goodness they walked
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through the door or went on Zoom and did it for
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the first time. Yeah, I agree. Let's go back
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to your development. Just step back for a moment
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to your development. You said that you soaked
26:58
up everything you could from your mentor. When
27:01
you went to your first ever circle, How did you
27:04
feel about attending that circle and how were
27:08
the realities of that circle versus your expectations?
27:13
As I said, my adventure has been going a long
27:17
time and things have really stepped up in the
27:23
spiritual arena. I didn't go to circle probably
27:28
by Studied I learn I soaked up everything discussions
27:32
all sorts of things experiences for a good 20
27:36
years Before I went to circle or or that 18 years
27:40
I had no idea my mental bless the heart at the
27:44
time or still is you know that all right Can
27:46
I just support how long? Well Probably a no,
27:52
let me think 18 years so you Before you moved
28:00
into a circle? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I was just trying
28:04
to work that back, but I think maybe 18 years.
28:08
But that time, for me, my world was a cinema.
28:12
I had all sorts of people visiting me and coming
28:16
here and all sorts of experiences. But actual
28:20
sitting with others within a group, it was that
28:24
long before I did it. I have to say, I attempted
28:28
to go to a couple of circles I heard about, but
28:30
my mentor, she wouldn't let me, she knew about
28:34
them, she wouldn't let me sit there, she wanted
28:35
to find the right sort of place for me. Might
28:38
I also add, there are spiritual churches that
28:41
have circles as well, I forgot to mention them,
28:45
and theirs will be based also, should I say,
28:48
around the seven principles of spiritualism,
28:50
their circles. I just thought that everybody
28:54
was going to be jolly and welcoming because we're
28:56
all spiritual and it's all great, isn't it? And
28:59
everyone's having just as good a time. Well,
29:03
I walked in and I thought I'd actually gone to
29:05
a funeral. I think it was the most accepting.
29:08
I thought, oh gosh. And I'm generally, as you
29:12
know, quite sort of friendly and an approachable
29:14
person. And I sort of took my seat and it was
29:17
just, I just felt, I very much felt like I was,
29:21
hmm. I'd stepped into their space. And it was
29:25
an open circle. It was like, oh, you've stepped
29:27
into our space. And it was, I was like, I was
29:30
being sort of, hmm, not judged, but hmm, okay.
29:34
And I said, it wasn't quite what I was expecting.
29:41
And do you know what, Matt? What was I expecting?
29:46
I think in Nicola's world that everyone would
29:49
just be like Nicola. But oh my word, no. And
29:54
that's where I witnessed the fact that people
29:55
come for many different reasons and in circles
29:59
there can be a lot of grief. A lot of grief.
30:05
But circles have to be managed. Their circle
30:10
leader should manage this all properly. I didn't
30:17
know where else to go, I suppose. I just thought
30:21
because to me through a bit of dedication, through
30:24
a bit of listening, you can find what you, where
30:31
you want to go. So I thought I must stick at
30:33
it. I've never been a quitter and see where this
30:36
would, and I needed, I needed views from other
30:40
people doing, doing this, whatever this is, woo
30:44
-woo stuff. So yeah, I think I'm sort of, I'm
30:48
not really answering that properly because what
30:49
did I expect? Ultimately, the end of it wasn't
30:53
what I expected after some years. I find it interesting
30:56
because I went to circle because I needed the
30:59
validation. Is this just a load of hocus pocus
31:02
and baloney? Or can I go somewhere where there's
31:06
a bunch of like -minded people? Because if I
31:08
did this in the street, not only is it wrong,
31:10
but I'd also get my head kicked in. So I wanted
31:13
to go somewhere where there were like -minded
31:15
people to test myself and to get validation.
31:19
But you had already had 18 years of testing yourself
31:22
and I find that really remarkable. Yes, so I
31:26
was, I just... So naively, I suppose, I had been
31:32
dedicated to my growth and understanding my own
31:36
soul and working that, oh, shall I be frank,
31:40
that I didn't realize that some people thought
31:43
of it as just an evening out with kind of people
31:46
who like talking about spirit things and it's
31:49
just like, you know, meeting up sort of book
31:51
club or something. Because I suppose I was brought
31:54
up spiritually by a lady, who was of the traditions
32:01
and I'm sorry to say I still think that is a
32:04
wonderful thing, the traditional side of it because
32:07
it is, as you will have learned now, it is not
32:12
something that should be taken lightheartedly.
32:15
No, it's sacred. Yes. And clearly you said that
32:19
your expectations were that everyone else was
32:21
going to be dedicated and that wasn't the case.
32:24
and moreover that people were defensive or protective
32:27
of their space. Sorry to interrupt you there,
32:32
but just as we talk, I'm trying to remember all
32:37
of this. And what it really did teach me at that
32:41
time was the physical Nicola that I needed to
32:45
work on, this human Nicola, because I found that
32:50
I was getting impatient. Because why haven't,
32:53
why don't you know this? Why can't we do that?
32:55
I was thinking, oh, there's so much there that
32:57
I haven't worked on, not on my spiritual side,
32:59
but the bit that was possibly going to block
33:02
me spiritually of that human physical side of
33:06
me. Would you share a moment that you have had
33:11
in circle which deeply affected your perspective
33:16
on your mediumship or your psychic work? Turn
33:19
point, I think. was the realization. A lady had
33:25
come in just seeing whether she liked the atmosphere
33:29
of the circle and I had to give her a reading
33:32
and at that point her husband literally, I don't
33:37
often do that but I could literally see him standing
33:42
behind beside her and he had chosen to opt out
33:50
of this world. He had chosen his option to take
33:55
his life. I was at that point where this lady,
33:59
and it wasn't long ago, and I could see exactly
34:02
how he'd done it, and there I'm sitting there
34:04
and I had this realization that at this point
34:08
I now also have this lady's life in my hands
34:12
by what is about to be verbalized from my mouth.
34:17
That was a big wake -up call that Everybody needs
34:20
to know it's not all love, light, and fluffy
34:23
bunnies. There is this side to this which has
34:26
to be dealt with very gently, very carefully,
34:29
and I needed to judge it. Gosh, was it a wake
34:33
-up call? It shouldn't have been because June,
34:35
bless her heart, had told me that sentence right
34:37
from the beginning. If you choose to do this,
34:39
Nicola, you have to understand you have that
34:42
person's life in your hands for that short time.
34:45
And that was it thrown in my face. And it taught
34:49
me that I need to be so... It is a mouth mind
34:53
that's run away with me many times, even since
34:55
a little girl, but that I had to allow my soul,
35:00
that beautiful, eternal part of Nicola, to take
35:04
over this moment, to hold both the recipient
35:09
and her dear husband gently. So I think that
35:14
was... Well, it must be because it stands out
35:16
still so... so much for me. Also, I suppose working
35:22
in circle made me realise how important working
35:25
psychically is from soul to soul, not with just
35:29
the other world. I really hope you are enjoying
35:38
this conversation with Nicola Ghigi and I
35:40
hope you can also see why I am such a fan of
35:44
her. She is certainly straight -talking, she
35:47
shoots from the hip. But in a world which is
35:49
full of contradictions, Nicola's voice is certainly
35:52
one that I have appreciated. Her honesty, her
35:57
truth and of course that straight -talking encouragement.
36:03
Just a reminder guys, if you want to reach out
36:05
to me you can find me on Instagram, Facebook
36:08
and threads, the .psychic .explorer. I'd really
36:13
love to know your experience of Circle, if you're
36:17
going to one that is. Did you find them daunting?
36:20
Were they a bit off -putting or were they a place
36:23
of sanctuary? And again, that word I always come
36:26
back to validation. Reach out to me, let me know,
36:30
I'd love to hear. For the moment though, let's
36:34
get back to Nicola Ghigi as she talks circle.
36:40
So what made Nicola start her own circle? I knew
36:44
this is what we do with our wonderful workers.
36:46
We start to listen to ourselves. We start to
36:50
see those signs. We start to feel everything
36:52
around us. I knew things were changing. Ultimately,
36:57
there had been a... an unfortunate ending to
37:01
me circle and there'd been a point where a certain
37:05
allegedly spiritual person had tried to destroy
37:07
me I knew after gradually picking myself up because
37:11
I'm not a quitter and I'm not doing it for myself
37:14
I'm doing it for serving spirit that I didn't
37:17
ever want anybody to be in that form of circle
37:20
I knew exactly I had been ignoring the push and
37:26
the whispers in my ear and the little nudges
37:30
or whatever tumbling through my body to go, go
37:33
on then, go on then, help others. Because the
37:37
first one of the first words were given to me
37:40
by June and actually her husband who was an earth
37:42
healer was that you are here to help others,
37:46
Nicola. Don't get carried away, you might do
37:48
platform, you might do this, but ultimately you're
37:50
there to help others. I was going around, it
37:53
had been telling my head. The next thing I found
37:55
myself in my village where there's the hall there
37:59
asking, do they have any free evenings or mornings?
38:03
And literally it took five minutes. I came out
38:06
and I sort of got home and thought, wow, I've
38:09
done it. And I was laughing inside because I
38:14
knew that they had my friends, my team and things
38:16
had been trying so hard to push me. And I just,
38:20
yeah, I just wanted to share this. I wanted to,
38:22
I'd said at the beginning, I wanted to share
38:24
this joy of this journey, this adventure of,
38:28
it is one of self -discovery. We're talking about
38:32
what we can do for others. We can communicate
38:34
with the other world. We can do, but it is about
38:37
yourself, your soul. This is what you have to
38:42
help you in everyday life that you're living
38:45
here It is a bonus to be able to communicate
38:48
with the other world a bonus all these things
38:50
are just you know extras The ultimate thing is
38:54
that your soul is not having to walk around with
38:58
within its human form With somebody that's blindfolded
39:02
to what we can all have through this experience.
39:06
And as you know, I've gone off another tangent,
39:09
but I just, I knew and they pushed me. How rewarding
39:13
do you find running a circle is? Do the practicalities
39:17
and the logistics outweigh the rewards or is
39:20
it all worth it for you? To me, I've come home,
39:24
I've arrived. If somebody said to me, right,
39:27
sit down, Nicola, and right, you are going to
39:29
work platform for the rest of your life, I'll
39:31
be thinking, oh, is there any movement in my
39:33
solar? And okay, you know, Nicola, you do evenings
39:37
of media the rest of your life. Okay, Nicola,
39:40
you have this opportunity to share knowledge,
39:42
to take others by the hand. I now can feel that
39:46
movement deep within my solar plexus here. That
39:50
is yes, yes, yes. This to me is just not an ego.
39:56
This is what I'm meant to be doing at this precise
39:58
time. And I want to give people tools to not
40:05
only find out who they are, so then to be of
40:08
service to the spirit world who need us. They
40:11
need us. They need our voices. But also to maybe
40:15
have tools that they can take out from circle
40:18
and they can manage their Life, far better. You
40:24
know, that they can suddenly say, I found the
40:26
words for those. Or actually, do you know what?
40:28
I helped my friend because I understood how she
40:32
was feeling. I feel so much more confident. There's
40:35
one or two I work with. Oh, the thought of having
40:39
their voices be heard within a circle and other
40:42
people. No, now they will stand up. They'll say
40:44
something beautiful. I know this to some people
40:47
will sound so silly, but I have a lady. She's
40:52
moved to look quite a bit further away. She was
40:54
so thrilled that she now has the confidence to
40:56
get in her car because she knows she's not alone.
41:00
She knows that she has this inner strength to
41:03
do it. What's not to love about that? When I
41:07
can witness that. Every time I run a group, a
41:12
circle, a group, I... just feel that love from
41:18
the group, the energy. Yes, on a practical side,
41:22
it doesn't just happen, of course. And people
41:24
leave, they keep it going, and of course they
41:26
do. And that's up to them. And the constant defining,
41:29
you know, sort of tailored exercises for everybody,
41:33
managing the energy within a group. But I'm always...
41:39
I want anybody that sits within our circles to
41:42
be welcoming that nobody is better than the other.
41:45
For a circle, how I see it is and how the joy
41:49
I get for it is those that will benefit, those
41:52
that will just flourish are the ones that come
41:57
for the circle, for the group, for the other
42:00
people, plus their own soul, not just themselves.
42:06
Online versus face -to -face, what are your thoughts?
42:10
One has to be careful with words about lockdown,
42:12
don't you, because there are so many different
42:15
experiences. But this has happened, my circle
42:19
I was with went online and thought, oh, I don't
42:21
know, that's impossible. It wakes you up to the
42:23
fact it doesn't matter because the energy you're
42:25
feeling, there's no barrier. There's no barriers
42:28
at all, especially working with the other world.
42:30
They're there. So it was the understanding that
42:34
it works just the same. I must admit I never
42:39
could have imagined enjoying. I love to do online
42:44
readings because I meet so many different people
42:48
and cultures because they're from other continents.
42:55
It's no different to me at all. There's no difference.
42:59
In fact, I was doing more online than I was in
43:02
person and now it seems to have swapped again,
43:03
but no. It's amazing because I will say to you,
43:07
it's not understanding. Those listening in this
43:10
country, it's flooded with opportunities for
43:14
you in person and online, but there's many countries
43:17
due to... You're talking to me. Yes, in the UK.
43:20
In the UK, there is an abundance for you to choose
43:24
from in person as well. It's not the same for
43:28
many other countries due to more religious Catholicism.
43:33
don't, you know, not so keen on it. So places
43:36
like in Europe, they're beginning to come, you
43:40
know, be allowed to do this. They're being allowed
43:42
to have their centers, spiritual centers. And
43:46
on the religious side, they're allowed to have
43:48
a spiritualism, a church is as well, which is
43:52
massive. Strange enough, like in America, not
43:54
that it's where modern spiritualism began again,
43:58
you know, the Hydesville. And yet, I think it's
44:04
very interesting. This is what I find interesting
44:06
of having not obviously had the internet is that
44:10
different ways of teaching, for me now looking
44:12
at it, there's a lot of different forms of teaching
44:15
in Europe and the other continents is quite interesting.
44:21
I know that there's certain ones you would not
44:24
be welcome. I have somebody very close to me.
44:27
I know lives in Arab Emirates, and I don't think
44:30
I should be taking my groups there just yet,
44:32
but who knows? Spirit will keep trying. Well,
44:35
you never know what the future holds. We just
44:39
do well, exactly. I've actually had a listener
44:41
in the UAE listen to an episode of my stats.
44:45
It came up with UAE. How amazing is that the
44:47
technology is allowing people to do this and
44:51
If they can't do a face -to -face, then there
44:53
is the online version. You can do it online.
44:56
You can. And as I said, not everybody has a vehicle,
45:01
do they, to be able to go out to this. There
45:03
is certain people that find it difficult to be
45:05
within other groups of people, even if we're
45:07
all like -minded people. So all I will say is
45:12
that along your way, you have got to also do
45:14
that in person. There is something magical within
45:18
that. And only my thoughts, I don't want that
45:21
to be lost. It won't be. It won't be at all.
45:26
But it's just opened. I'm so, so excited about
45:29
it. And look, here I am on your podcast. Wow.
45:34
So considering your experience of Circle, of
45:37
not venturing into it for 18 years, I'm finding
45:41
actually it was a very different environment
45:43
than you were expecting. As a Circle leader,
45:47
What advice would you give to someone thinking
45:50
of going to circle for the first time? What should
45:53
they expect? What should they expect? What I
45:55
would like them to expect, what I would like
45:58
for them is a very welcoming space. Again, we
46:03
have to think about if they are going to go via
46:06
the church route, there will be a different way
46:08
of teaching it. It has to be within their seven
46:12
principles. What should they expect? What I would
46:15
like them to do is to be open to absolutely everything.
46:21
You don't have to take it. But my advice to you
46:24
is listen to it. We all need to have an opinion
46:27
on it. And believe me, the further you tootle
46:31
along your road, your opinion will change. So
46:36
why presume one way of working is the best way?
46:40
with circles and people you know you could go
46:43
to your regular circle but you know investigate
46:45
other tutors as well because you need to have
46:47
an opinion you know you need to have an opinion
46:50
to find yourself if you go to a circle and you
46:54
feel uncomfortable take yourself out that situation
46:57
you shouldn't feel uncomfortable I would like
47:00
people to understand that if they're in a controlling
47:04
situation because some circle leaders seem to
47:07
think it's their circle They should be just representing
47:11
spirit. Then again, that's not right. But go
47:15
to discover yourself. Listen to the others around
47:18
you. You can, I say to people, you can outgrow
47:22
circles. Your development could be a lot more
47:27
advanced, be speedier, and you might actually
47:29
need to change your circle. What are you looking
47:32
for? You're looking at just being able to have
47:36
a little go at everything. But I do advise you
47:41
to have a go at it. We have to, even if you're
47:45
a quiet person, we have to be brave and please
47:48
be reminded that you are not walking into that
47:52
circle on your own. Absolutely. Even the blindfolded
47:56
ones that we pass in the streets still have a
47:59
team behind them. They still have a band of people
48:02
surrounding them. So you're going in there still
48:06
with your team. Give your team a chance. to see
48:10
if it's right for you or not. And you've got
48:13
to, it is a playground. Circle is a playground
48:16
for all these gifts that we have. Be reminded
48:20
again to take self out of it because your team
48:24
are trying to work out how to work with you.
48:27
And unless you practice, it's a practice arena.
48:30
That's what it is. It's a playground, a practice
48:31
arena. And unless you practice, your team aren't
48:35
thinking, well, you know, how should we do this?
48:37
Should we try and sort of, Let them feel a bit
48:39
more. Should we try and do this? Oh, they like
48:41
that. So let's do that a bit more with them.
48:43
So you're with this group of people in a circle,
48:46
but also in that circle is everybody else's teams
48:51
and they, you know, you need to go in there and
48:54
have the courage to fail sometimes. Yeah. Oh,
48:58
yeah. And this is what it is. And another one,
49:01
you know, Nicola loves to say, don't sit there.
49:05
and start comparing where you are in your development.
49:10
Maybe that's knowing absolutely nothing at the
49:12
time compared to the others in the circle. Comparison
49:16
is the thief of joy. Yeah, absolutely. And if
49:21
you start doing that, you won't go back to the
49:24
circle. You just, you know, and what a shame.
49:28
Some great advice there, absolutely. And I wholeheartedly
49:32
agree. comparison, the thief of joy. It's one
49:35
of the things that I have struggled with. I think,
49:39
well, they're there. Why can't I be there? And
49:42
it just takes time. It just takes work. And it
49:44
is that dedication. It's something that Dana
49:51
Willey, who's also coming on the podcast as well,
49:54
and by the time this airs, she may have already
49:55
been on it, who runs the online circle that I
49:59
go to. I'm sure you have said this as well, but
50:04
you don't need to do anything. You just need
50:06
to show up. Like when you go to circle, you don't
50:10
need to do anything per se. It's just show up
50:15
and say what you feel. Yep. And that's literally
50:18
it. There's a very old fashion saying is that...
50:22
Every moment, every minute, every second spent
50:26
in the company of spirit, of course they'll be
50:28
there. That's why they gather. We have these
50:29
circles so they can gather to the light and the
50:31
energy that it draws to them is another penny
50:35
in the meter. And it is there. You don't have
50:39
to, but you sit within that energy in itself.
50:44
But there has to be a bit of commitment. because
50:47
what will happen, a circle is turned up because
50:50
it's a bit like if you go to the gym just once
50:53
a week, oddly so, you haven't got that six pack
50:55
and things because you've done absolutely nothing
50:57
in between. You know, it's still the spiritual
51:00
muscle, it's a muscle and it wants to play, it
51:03
wants to work. Yeah. That's why I stopped. I
51:07
was going to say, you don't need dedication.
51:09
I was like, no, you do. You definitely need that
51:11
dedication to go. But you don't need to actually
51:15
Do you know what I mean? You just need to turn
51:19
up, show up, sit with the group. Observe. Even
51:24
if you don't want to actively get up and do something,
51:27
then start to feel, start to notice how your
51:31
body feels or how your soul is perhaps moving
51:34
within you. Has it got excited or are you suddenly
51:37
getting a little bit of a headache or are you
51:39
just, you know... Getting a little bit of anxiety
51:42
because it could you know, you talk about what's
51:43
sitting with a load of energy So so if you don't
51:46
want to get too involved, although you have you
51:48
you you must eventually try to then just start
51:51
to notice Notice how do I feel by sitting here?
51:54
Am I excited? Do I want to know and you things
51:56
will start to tumble into your mind? Because
51:59
they've got you they've got you there and they're
52:01
super excited spirit Okay, they are super excited
52:04
that you're there and so they will do their best
52:06
to let it tumble within you Okay, final question
52:11
in Nicola. And thank you so much for this evening.
52:15
I really enjoyed it. What has been your biggest
52:20
challenge since you began exploring? Oh, do I
52:24
consider any of them challenges? Because I love
52:27
a challenge. I mean, there's this competitive
52:30
side to me and you would know you can see me,
52:32
but then I'm slightly competitive. So that's,
52:34
I suppose that The biggest challenge was the
52:37
more that I went deeper and suddenly there was
52:41
more commitments within it like working churches
52:44
and platform and that I started to, the struggle
52:49
was I then put expectations on myself and some
52:55
of the joy, you know, I haven't been forced to
52:58
do this, I was gifted this, gifted this awakening
53:01
by my mother. And I'm still going to give her
53:04
that one, you know, she's still got that one.
53:06
And so I haven't been forced to do it. That's
53:07
why I said, you haven't been, but you've just
53:09
wanted to do this. So I was silly. I allowed
53:12
that moment to expectations to come up and I
53:15
allowed those things that I thought that I had
53:19
got rid of. They were in my unconscious and they
53:24
started to seep up through. And that's when I
53:27
realized, right, momentarily, step back, Nicola.
53:30
What are you doing? Get those rocks out of your
53:32
rucksack. Fill them with the joy, the reason
53:35
for doing it and for others. And just start to
53:38
work again on yourself. It was a wake -up call.
53:42
So I think that's it. And that's how I manage
53:45
it by the understanding. But you'll hear, I just
53:49
say to everybody that's listening now, still,
53:54
How excited I hope I sound excited about talking
53:56
about this 31 years later 31 years later I'm
54:00
still excited because I am still I am still that
54:03
child You know that child within is still just
54:06
soaking this up. Oh, I know one's listening Are
54:09
they Matt when I tell everybody that I call my
54:11
soul little Nicola? Of course, they're listening.
54:13
Of course They are a little Nicola is so it's
54:17
so proud of me proud of me for trying to be the
54:19
best, you know, I can but listeners we must remember
54:23
that although everyone talks about this work
54:26
being love and light and light and light and
54:28
light and joy there is shadow too and you have
54:33
to expect that along the way because it will
54:35
bring up some things in you you thought that
54:38
weren't there or you've chosen to ignore so get
54:41
ready for that seatbelt on with that one and
54:44
by shadow you don't mean dark entities or anything
54:47
like that No, absolutely not. I'm sorry, I'm
54:50
going to take that back. Bad wording. No, it
54:53
is the light, but that's the part of you that
54:55
within, that's the question or the struggle.
55:00
So that was maybe the shading of that, only of
55:03
self. The hurt Nicola, the hurt Matt. Yes, that
55:07
is what... if you're prepared and it's what you
55:10
wish to do, get ready for those moments that
55:13
we can never get away from the physical body
55:16
that we are living in and the experiences that
55:19
it has had. Thank you so much for this evening,
55:22
Nicola. Honestly, it's been fantastic. I've really
55:25
enjoyed it. It's been so nice to get to know
55:28
a bit more of your story. I see you every week
55:31
and I've seen you every week for the past, I
55:32
think, 18 months or so. And to know a bit more
55:35
of your background, just makes it a bit more
55:40
real, which is, I think that's my aim with this
55:43
whole podcast, is to try and show people that
55:46
anyone that does this is a real person. We're
55:49
not special in a vertical manner. We are not
55:52
these people who should be put on a pedestal
55:55
or think, oh, they've got something special.
55:58
No, we're all going through struggles. We've
56:01
all had our own experiences. I would just say
56:04
to those out there who are thinking of, if they
56:07
haven't, you can do this. You can go to Circle
56:09
and think of it as, as I say to Matt and some
56:12
other students, your Circle leader should lay
56:15
out a buffet of things for you to choose from.
56:18
And you can just, and we do buffets, you go,
56:20
I like that bit. I'm going to keep that bit.
56:23
The rest of it, you just don't touch again. So
56:25
they should give you all these things with it,
56:27
you know, working with color, working, you know,
56:29
psychically, working with cards. You, indulge.
56:32
yourself in the buffet, spiritual buffet everybody,
56:36
and you'll find on that buffet, as we always
56:38
do, something that works for you. How can people
56:42
find you if they want to reach out to you? The
56:45
best way to reach out to me is I do have a website
56:47
and that is norfolkspiritualcentre .co .uk that
56:53
explains a bit about my you can contact me through
56:55
there and you know for those that aren't in my
56:59
area or in this country there are actually you'll
57:01
see a lot of in -person things there but more
57:03
is coming up on zoom so maybe those of you outside
57:07
the uk listening could maybe join me on certain
57:10
things coming up we have a numerology the other
57:13
week numerology foundations of numerology online
57:16
and some more of that will be coming up and i'll
57:18
hopefully be putting some more free practice
57:21
groups out there so it's yeah it's norfolkspiritualcenter
57:23
.co .uk I'll put that in the show notes. Nikola
57:28
thank you so much it's been lovely. Thank you
57:30
Matt.