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Jeep Scrambler Gets IFS — Solid Axle Fans Lose? · Jeep Talk Show

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All right, it's time for another G Talk
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Show flagship episode.
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Tonight we're gonna be talking
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about the things in the news.
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And on the recording of
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this, this is Thursday evening.
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So that means one
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more day of SEMA, Chris.
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Are you sad you weren't at SEMA?
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Other than the walking
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around and the sweating
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like a filthy pig, I
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would love to be there.
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Yes, yes, I am a little sad
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that we're not there this year,
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but perhaps next year or the year after.
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But yeah, we've been
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enjoying it from afar.
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I'll be--
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You know, it's amazing to
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me, it just started on Tuesday.
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I mean, I think people
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start getting there on Friday,
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the week prior, but it just started on
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Tuesday and it's over.
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I mean, it's after five on Thursday.
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I think it's after five there.
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Yeah, it's after five
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mountain time and it's over
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except for really
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breaking down and shipping out.
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Because even though I
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think it runs till noon
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or 3 p.m. tomorrow,
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Friday, people are leaving.
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I mean, they're breaking
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down the booths and heading out.
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Yeah, that's exactly right.
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I mean, any trade show in SEMA
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is probably the coolest
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trade show that you could be at,
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whether you're an
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exhibitor or an attendee,
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but the last day of a trade
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show, folks are breaking down.
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It's like, hey, seeing
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I'll see you next year.
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And even if the show is
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quote unquote open the next day,
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it's really not.
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So I agree.
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People are wheels up
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about eight, nine o'clock
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tomorrow morning.
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Oh, you remember
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Tammy, a former co-host here
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on the show, right?
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Yeah, Gmama.
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I believe this was her
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first year going to SEMA.
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I saw her on Instagram and walking around
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and bothering people.
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It was like you were supposed to do.
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Absolutely, no, I did see that.
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I did see that on social media.
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So great for Tammy, Gmama
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being out there at SEMA.
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I remember my first time at SEMA.
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I know you do too.
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And it's just one of those things that
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you'll never forget.
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So great for Tammy.
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Good that she was able to get out there
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and finally see it in flesh.
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And I think she went out
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there with T&T Customs,
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who she worked for.
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I can't remember, director
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of marketing or something
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that she does for them.
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Yes, yes.
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All right, well, let's
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talk about the piece of
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(beep)
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I'm sorry, let's talk
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about the Jeep entry,
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the big reveal that Jeep did,
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I guess it was Tuesday,
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when they revealed that.
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And you correct me on any of this,
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because I just have a cursory
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amount of information on it.
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It wasn't interesting to me,
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so I didn't read a lot about it.
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I know, I know, it's a Jeep show.
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I should know
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everything there is to know.
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But yeah, that's not how it works for me.
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So it was orange.
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So it was a nice bright color for a Jeep,
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which I think is the way
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that you should do things
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with a Jeep, it should be a bright color.
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It was a Scrambler,
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and I'm really surprised
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they didn't call it a brat,
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because it has two seats in the back
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that you can face backwards,
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just like that really
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cool, but way too small
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and not an off-road vehicle Subaru Brat
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that came out, what was it, in the 70s,
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the late 70s, early 80s?
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Do you know what I'm
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talking about, Chris?
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Yeah, I do know that brat came out,
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and I think he even ran
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maybe up until 91 or 92, but--
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It was a cool little car.
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Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
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And it was surprising
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today to be legal or safe,
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having two people sit
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facing the opposite direction.
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But yeah--
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That's perfect for bottle rockets.
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You know, when you're
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having bottle rocket fights.
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True, very true.
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Or better yet on the
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highway, don't be like me,
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don't do that, that's
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gonna cause a wreck.
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(laughing) Yeah, but the
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Scrambler's out in the flesh
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at SEMA this year, and
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something that was mentioned
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in Stellantis Investor Day back in May.
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I had the privilege to sit in on that,
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it was just a
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webinar, open to the public,
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but for my day job sat in on that,
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and they touted the
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Scrambler as an SRT vehicle,
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and we all got to see it online,
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or if you're in Vegas,
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got to see it at SEMA,
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and it is effectively a Scrambler.
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It's a two-door Jeep with a bed,
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but it's like the
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Scrambler, the original Scrambler,
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and even the Scrambler
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concept from a few years ago,
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that was the green one.
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Do you remember that one, Tony?
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It was a JL variant.
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I think I did like that one.
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Yes.
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And as a true Scrambler,
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the bed is not detached
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from the cab area.
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Correct.
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And I know I recall on an
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episode way long time ago,
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might've been one of the round tables,
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we all argued or disagreed
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over what is a real pickup truck.
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Does it have a bed that is separate
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from the body of the vehicle?
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Hence the Gladiator does, an F-150.
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What is it, the Honda
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Ridgeline that does the same thing?
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They could've called it a Scrampler.
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Right, right.
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The Honda Ridgeline does not.
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The Rivian R1T, the
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Rivian Electric pickup truck,
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the Ford Maverick, and I'm
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sure there's a few other missing.
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So is the Scrambler a pickup, or is it
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not to each their own?
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Well, the new one that came out
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isn't by definition of
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the original Scrampler.
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And I know Josh and I argued repeatedly
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that the Gladiator
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should not have been called
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the Gladiator, it should
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have been called the Scrampler.
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That's when a lot of
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that discussion started
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about the bed is detached from the cab,
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so it's not a Scrampler.
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And it's like, okay, and now,
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I may have mentioned this
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before, but it does dawn on me,
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they should've called it the Comanche,
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because I think the
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Comanche was separated,
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the cab and the bed, when
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the Comanche was separated.
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So instead of calling it the Gladiator,
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I would've loved for it
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to be called a Comanche,
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or maybe a Comanche too.
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Oh yeah, yeah, no, and that
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Comanche was even more unique
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because it wasn't at a
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unitized chassis as the front of it,
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it was a unitized
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chassis, much like the XJ,
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and then it had this
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separate bed bolted on top of it.
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So that was an even more
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unique pickup in my opinion.
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Oh yeah, yeah, it really was.
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I mean, it was
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basically an XJ with a bed,
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which I think is just really cool.
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I mean, anytime, I mean,
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you're looking at the same
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type of deal with the Gladiator.
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All right, anyway,
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independent front suspension
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could come to regular Wranglers
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and the Wrangler SRT
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revealed Tim Knutskis.
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Is that what you said, Knutskis?
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Knutskis, Knutskis. Knutskis, thank you.
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Yes, Knutskis, Tim Knutskis.
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Sounds like some sort
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of IT data center name.
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(laughing) Let's move all over
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there to the Knutskis.
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He asked, "Do we leave this only for SRT,
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or do we make this an option for all
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Wrangler customers?"
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He said he's not asking
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anyone to give up the solid axle,
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just whether both can exist.
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The drive argues he wouldn't float it
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unless it was already
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coming as Jeep fights the Bronco.
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You know,
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(beep)
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those guys.
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If they wanna build, if Ford wants to
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build a Jeep knockoff
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and they don't wanna go solid axle,
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they wanna do IFS
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because Bronco owners are
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(beep)
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and they want a nice
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smooth ride in their Bronco,
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that's fine, make it for that audience.
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I'll say it again, if
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people are buying too much Pepsi,
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don't change the Coke formula.
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If you like Coke,
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you're gonna stick with Coke.
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If you want Pepsi, go drink Pepsi.
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And by the way, you're a
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(beep)
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if you drink Pepsi, sorry.
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No, I agree, I agree
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on the Coke and Pepsi
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and that's a great
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analogy when there was new Coke
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and then I don't know, was it a year
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or it was a short period of time
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and it went back to regular Coke.
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So stupid, Coke fanatics were just like,
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what the hell's wrong with
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you, number one soft drink
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and that's not good enough for you.
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Right, right, then maybe
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we'll have the same thing here.
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I do believe--
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I think we will.
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As you just
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mentioned-- Who wants a Bronco?
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Bronco's not a Jeep.
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If you want a Bronco, go with
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(beep)
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that's fine, go do it.
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But why in the world would Jeep is known,
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Jeep is known for what
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they bring to the table.
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They bring something
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different than anybody else
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and even in 2026, they
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still bring things to the market
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that are different than everybody else
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because they're consistent.
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It's not consistently
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bad, it's consistently,
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Coniscus, it's consistently good
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because you go off-road in it.
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I mean, I don't have a problem with you
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going fast off-road,
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go fast off-road.
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What's that, that
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full-size truck that they,
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I'm bringing fart now
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because I'm just so pissed off.
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The Ford pickup, not the Bronco--
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Ford Raptor. Yeah, the Raptor.
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Get a Raptor, go fast, whoop-de-do.
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I mean, go over the whoop-de-dos.
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That's fine, I think a
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lot of people just do it
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with a side-by-side like Polaris
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or one of those little
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things that go fast that are IFS.
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And the nice thing about those is
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they cost twice as
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much as a regular vehicle,
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but when you break
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them, it doesn't matter
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because you don't
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need them to go to work.
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It's just this throwdown piece of
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(beep)
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I doubt very seriously that anybody's
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gonna buy a scrambler
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and only have it for off-road fun.
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You can, but I doubt it,
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people are gonna drive it
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back and forth to work.
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What you won't be able to,
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if they design the front end,
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the snap just like the
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Bronco front end snap
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with whatever, you just go
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up to the off-road location
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and it looks at it and you get scared,
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pees a little bit and
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breaks a little wing
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so it doesn't have to go.
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I agree, I agree to all that.
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And again, the new Coke
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versus Pepsi analogy is great.
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Unfortunately, I do believe it's
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something we will see
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and that I think the
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scrambler is a 2028 model year.
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What I do know is that
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Dakota is coming back.
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The Dodge Dakota is coming
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back as a mid-size pickup
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and that's gonna be on a
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gladiator variant frame.
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Well, it's just, we love the folks at
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Chrysler Corporation,
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Stellantis and they
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promised 30 new vehicles
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in the next five years or six years
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or whatever the plan is.
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Why?
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And they need new cars.
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Nobody needs anything but
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a wrangler or a gladiator.
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I agree.
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If you're fancy, you
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can get a grand Cherokee.
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True, true.
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But they need to, they're
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doing as much as they can
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with as little as possible.
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So the architecture of
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the Dakota will, I believe,
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be very similar to the gladiator
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except it will have
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independent front suspension
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which will carry over
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into the next gen gladiator
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if there is one in the
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Wrangler, the JL Wrangler as well.
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Because as we know, less than 5%,
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I think we reported on the show,
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really take their Jeep off-road
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and then those that do will do that
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and make the upgrades accordingly.
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So I think it's
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inevitable, unfortunately,
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I think that is also a
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product of the success of Jeep
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because Jeep is so successful,
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more people are driving them
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and less people are taking them off-road
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and they think it's
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just cool to have a Jeep,
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which is great.
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We'd love them to have
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it and enjoy the Jeep
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the way that they want to.
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Like we talked about last week,
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you don't have to off-road.
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But for many, many
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years, as I follow Jeep,
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Jeep has always been the high in
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(beep)
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for lack of a better term on
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various auto manufacturers.
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Chrysler Corporation
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bought them up in the 80s
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and then it's evolved to
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become the golden goose
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for Stellanthus Corporation,
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at least certainly in North America.
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So with all that said,
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there's just a product of that success,
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if that makes sense.
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It's like, okay, we wanna
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be all things to all people
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and I agree with you.
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Go get a Bronco if you need
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something to go down the road
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comfortably or whatever
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you consider comfortably.
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Let me interrupt here
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a second and tell you,
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back in 2021, I made the decision
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after the Cherokee was 23 years old at
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the time, I believe,
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I made the decision to go
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ahead and get me a new Jeep.
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I didn't ever want to
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really get a new Jeep
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because they stopped making them
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with the 4.0 liter engine.
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But okay, I'm gonna get one
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and I'm gonna get a
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Gladiator so I can tow the XJ.
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Well, if I had done more research,
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I would have found out
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I really can't tow it
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without a trailer and I know
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that there's ways of doing it,
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but none of those ways I liked.
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And it was just gonna be too much work
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to flat tow the XJ.
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But anyway, I went to get a Gladiator
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and I didn't even look
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at the Wrangler prices.
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I wasn't interested in a Wrangler.
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I wanted a Gladiator,
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I guess it kind of
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reminded me of the Comanche
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and I'd wish that I had had a Comanche,
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although they didn't make a,
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I think they stopped
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making the Comanches in 92.
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So I certainly didn't want something
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that was older than my XJ.
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So anyway, I was gonna get the Gladiator
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and I was looking at
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the prices and stuff.
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It would have been nice to get a Rubicon.
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I couldn't afford a Rubicon Gladiator.
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Hang on just a second.
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(dog barking)
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I'm surprised the
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little dog's not barking.
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Yeah.
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Oh, just come in the
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(beep)
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door.
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(laughing)
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She's trying to train the
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big dog to go to your spot,
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which is up on the stairwell.
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Yeah.
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All right, I think they're gonna shut up.
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Edit, edit, edit.
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So I couldn't afford a Rubicon.
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I mean, it was $60,000 or something
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and I didn't want to
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spend seven, $800 a month
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for a vehicle payment.
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I mean, that's common these days.
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So unfortunately the
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average these days you're right.
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Yeah, so I looked at what I could do
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and I think I put $15,000 down on it
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just so I could get my payments down
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to around $400 a month
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and even at that, I
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was looking at the sport
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and then I found that the sport S,
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you could get the max toe on.
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Actually you might not be able to get it
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on the sport as well, but anyway,
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I wanted with the sport S
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and I could afford that.
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So now you're telling me that, okay,
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let's say I want to buy a new Gladiator,
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or even a new Wrangler,
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but let's just say Gladiator.
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I want to buy a new Gladiator.
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I can't afford a Rubicon
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to get the solid front axle.
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We talked about this, I
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think we talked about this
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prior to recording.
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So the bit is that you told me was that
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if you're gonna get a Rubicon,
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you'll be able to get a solid front axle,
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everything else is gonna have IFS.
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I don't know if IFS.
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Right.
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That's so I'm either
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not going to buy a Jeep
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or I'm gonna go buy something else.
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So this is what I'm saying is,
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is that you can't remove IFS.
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I don't care if it's 1% of the people
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will take it off road.
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They may, and I think you've
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experienced this, I believe,
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and I know lots of people
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we know have experienced it.
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I'm never going off road.
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Oh, we were talking about Tammy.
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Tammy was this, all she
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wanted was a convertible.
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She thought that driving
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around with that top on
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was really cool.
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So that's what she wanted.
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And then once she got the Jeep,
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she decided she wanted to go off road.
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It scared the hell out of her.
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That was fun.
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And she wanted to do more.
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And she modified it, bigger tires,
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started doing more off road.
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How are you gonna do
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that with a piece of IFS,
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Wrangler or Gladiator?
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You're not.
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You'll do it, but not for--
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You bought the wrong Jeep.
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Not for very long.
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Yeah.
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That's my problem I have with it.
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Not what people want to do,
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not what people are most likely gonna do.
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But this is kind of
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like the way Apple does.
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They decide how you're gonna do it
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and how you should do it.
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No, I'm a customer.
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I may be wrong in your estimation,
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but I'm gonna do it
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the way I wanna do it.
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And if I'm wrong, then
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that was my decision.
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No, I agree.
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I agree.
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There's a lot of bad
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things going on in this world
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and depending on what side
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of the aisle on this past week
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was a really bad week.
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Jeep IFS.
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Jeep IFS isn't one of the bad things.
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Not the really bad things.
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Not as bad as what's going on.
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Again, depending on
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what state you live in
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and who your senator may or
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may not be today or tomorrow.
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But I agree, but again, I just,
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and the other thing, I mean,
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it speaks of our fellow
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human beings or humanity.
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I think there'll be a
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lot of Jeepers that,
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oh, this is cool, this is new IFS.
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And they'll just roll
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over like a dumb dog and,
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oh, well now we can do
17:02
this and now we can do that.
17:03
It's like, it's okay.
17:05
I mean, yeah, I was
17:06
like, maybe that's another,
17:08
what do the TJ guys say?
17:10
The last real Jeep was a TJ and
17:12
everything after that.
17:13
I mean, this, I mean,
17:15
not to get into politics,
17:16
but this could be a defining moment
17:18
in the fracturing of a
17:19
Jeep community pre IFS
17:22
and then after IFS.
17:25
Yeah, the sad thing is,
17:28
it's gonna happen every generation
17:29
where the new generation decides
17:32
they want something completely different.
17:34
And then the older
17:35
generation is like, you dumb
17:36
(beep)
17:37
you don't understand.
17:39
But it's fine.
17:42
It's just, it's hard to understand for
17:45
the older generation
17:47
because the newer
17:48
generation doesn't get it.
17:50
So do you know that
17:53
there's fewer youngsters,
17:55
when I say youngsters, like teens
17:57
and young adults that don't care anything
18:00
about getting their driver's license?
18:02
Oh yeah, I do.
18:04
That's scary.
18:05
It's a sense of freedom that you have
18:08
because you can go places on your own
18:11
without having to ask somebody else.
18:14
And now they're not caring about that
18:15
because they have
18:15
other ways of moving around
18:17
or they're just on their device
18:20
interacting with
18:21
people through the internet.
18:23
No, or yeah, I completely agree,
18:25
a combination of both.
18:26
They're not leaving their
18:27
basement or their bedroom
18:29
and or they're getting an
18:30
Uber or self-driving car
18:32
or whatever that'll be.
18:33
So, and I agree.
18:36
You know, you brought up politics.
18:38
I wasn't gonna bring this up,
18:39
but I thought I would mention this.
18:42
Every time there's a major election,
18:44
whether it's presidential or midterms,
18:46
there are winners and losers.
18:48
And the last presidential
18:50
election was a big thing,
18:52
made a lot of people happy
18:54
that it worked out the way it did.
18:56
And I think a lot of
18:57
those people are unhappy now,
18:59
but there's a lot of
18:59
people that are happy.
19:01
And I just wanna say congratulations
19:03
to all those people that were happy
19:06
about how the midterms turned out.
19:08
I know there's several that aren't happy.
19:11
There's several that are happy,
19:13
but there's winners and
19:13
losers and it dawned on me.
19:15
This is one of the
19:16
reasons why I do not like
19:17
following professional sports.
19:20
You follow professional
19:21
sports, you are a loser
19:23
because your team is always going to lose
19:27
at one point or another.
19:29
And then you get to
19:30
feel bad, you get to curse,
19:32
you get to talk about how
19:34
the coach is screwed up.
19:35
And you're on this
19:37
emotional roller coaster.
19:39
Now I understand men
19:40
generally don't have emotions.
19:42
So this gives them an
19:43
option to have some emotions
19:44
from time to time.
19:46
And if you like that, that's fine.
19:47
But I stopped
19:48
following professional sports
19:51
because it doesn't do anything.
19:54
It doesn't make things better.
19:55
It doesn't make things worse.
19:56
It just costs millions
19:58
and millions of dollars,
19:59
which is fine.
19:59
I don't care if the players
20:00
are making millions of dollars
20:02
for whatever they can work out
20:05
with the people that are paying them.
20:06
But whenever they
20:07
start using my tax money
20:09
to build a stadium, that's whenever I
20:11
have a problem with it
20:12
because I didn't have a say in it.
20:13
So anyway, bottom line, congratulations
20:16
to everybody that's happy.
20:18
And there's various levels of happy.
20:20
I don't begrudge you.
20:22
I think it's fine.
20:23
And hopefully it'll work
20:25
out the way you're hoping it,
20:26
that it'll work out for all of us.
20:27
It'll work out good for all of us.
20:29
So with that said, we talk about,
20:32
we try to stay away from it
20:33
when we talk about the politics
20:34
on here from time to time.
20:36
So I'm not sour grapes.
20:38
I would like to go back to
20:39
where I was in my twenties
20:41
and just not paying
20:42
attention to politics.
20:43
It's a huge waste of
20:45
time in my estimation.
20:47
I mean, it's important.
20:48
It affects our lives.
20:49
It affects our ability to
20:51
make money and lots of things.
20:53
But I'd less like not to,
20:54
I mean, they're all crooks.
20:58
None of them, you
20:59
can't trust any of them.
21:00
No, and it really come my philosophy,
21:02
I agree with everything
21:03
you said, my philosophy,
21:04
it comes down to the least worst option.
21:07
It's not one is right or one is wrong.
21:10
And one's gonna lose, one's gonna win.
21:12
It's the least worst option.
21:14
And they all lie so much.
21:17
Yes, that's why we go from party to party
21:19
every few years or a few cycles.
21:21
So yeah, it's the least worst option.
21:24
It's not the best option.
21:26
It's the least worst option at the time.
21:27
Does this dress my make my ass look big?
21:33
No, honey, it's your ass.
21:35
Exactly.
21:36
All right, I'm not voting for you.
21:39
I don't need that kind of truth.
21:41
All right, anyway, back to this.
21:43
Card driver says the
21:44
Scrambler SRT concept previews
21:46
of a production Scrambler, which it
21:49
expects around 2028,
21:51
likely as a full lineup
21:52
with the SRT at the top.
21:54
Its first public use of Scrambler name
21:57
since Jeep confirmed its return at
22:00
Stellantis Investor Day
22:01
in May, I believe you mentioned that.
22:03
So, I guess I really didn't realize,
22:07
I'm glad you reminded
22:08
me about mentioning the,
22:11
because I think you
22:11
mentioned this before to me
22:12
about the Scrambler.
22:14
I really thought it
22:14
was a concept vehicle.
22:16
I guess I was kind of
22:17
hoping it was a concept vehicle.
22:18
Oh, and did you notice that the grille,
22:21
the front grille was
22:22
completely different?
22:25
Yes, and the front
22:26
grille to me looks very much
22:28
Wagoneer-esque, looks like a very close
22:31
to the current generation
22:33
Grand Wagoneer, Wagoneer.
22:36
Just that square look to it.
22:38
And maybe that's, I was
22:39
thinking perhaps that grille
22:40
is the next evolution of
22:42
what will become the J.M.
22:44
after the J.L.
22:45
J.L. so Jeep Lima
22:47
will go to Jeep Michael,
22:50
whatever the phonetic letter is.
22:53
And I could, thank you.
22:57
And so I could
22:59
foresee that as a precursor
23:01
to the Wrangler and the
23:02
Gladiator grille as well.
23:05
I think this is a smart move.
23:06
People complain about
23:07
gladiators not being real Jeeps,
23:09
yet they wave to them anyway,
23:11
because they can't tell
23:12
that it's got a bed on it
23:13
until after they've waved.
23:15
(laughs)
23:17
So I'll tell you what though,
23:19
I mean, it looked like a nice vehicle,
23:20
looked like it was
23:21
well-designed, it looked like fun.
23:23
I mean, it's got a 392 in it,
23:24
at least the one at SEMA did.
23:26
And I like the idea of the seats,
23:29
of the back seats that
23:30
can face forward or reverse.
23:32
I don't know how popular
23:33
having them reverse would be,
23:34
but I really thought that
23:36
the brat really looked cool
23:39
with those seats that were
23:41
permanently facing backwards.
23:43
Yeah, and I recall you mentioned the brat
23:45
and I'm just going back
23:47
in the Wayback machine,
23:48
they did that to get
23:49
around a fuel economy standard.
23:51
I think at the time, the vehicle was
23:54
considered a two seater
23:56
and there's some calculation.
23:57
So that was a trick at that time
23:59
to put the two seats in
24:00
the back facing backwards.
24:02
I don't even know if that
24:04
would be street legal these days
24:06
to have people exposed in
24:08
the back of a pickup or a bat
24:10
or whatever you want to call it.
24:12
Well, I thought you
24:13
couldn't ride in the back
24:14
of a pickup anymore, but
24:15
you can if you're an adult.
24:16
I mean, kids used to do it.
24:18
And for me, it was always lots of fun,
24:20
get an opportunity to ride in the back of
24:22
a pickup in the bed.
24:23
For sure there was no seat belts,
24:24
there was no neck straps to hold you in
24:27
in case there was a big bump.
24:29
Yeah, I knew not too long ago,
24:32
someone I worked with,
24:32
their son failed their written
24:34
driver's test in the state of Ohio
24:36
because it was a true false question.
24:38
And in Ohio, at least at
24:39
the time, it was legal,
24:40
like you said, and then they said false.
24:42
And then that was one of
24:43
the ones they got wrong.
24:44
I was like, no, true.
24:44
If you're an adult in Ohio,
24:46
you can sit in the back of the pickup.
24:47
So yeah, perhaps it is.
24:49
I just, I would be
24:50
surprised if they on a manufacturer
24:52
in today's day and age would
24:54
offer that from the factory
24:56
or from the dealer as a new vehicle.
24:58
But if they did, it'd be super cool.
25:02
Oh, speaking of Ohio,
25:06
this is totally unrelated,
25:08
which is not unusual for this show.
25:10
I was thumbing through Tic Tac,
25:12
the watching this
25:15
looking at some of the things
25:16
and they had a map of
25:17
the United States up.
25:18
And the map was showing which states
25:22
incest was legal in.
25:25
(laughing)
25:29
Is still legal or was or?
25:31
Is, currently is.
25:34
Oh,
25:34
(beep)
25:35
Yeah, and I'm like, what?
25:36
Are you kidding me?
25:38
So, I mean, it's on social media,
25:40
so it's gotta be true, right?
25:42
Of course.
25:43
I did check it out because,
25:45
not because I have any need knowing
25:46
to be able to use this law,
25:48
but it was like shocking to me
25:50
that it would be legal anywhere.
25:52
Now, what state do you think,
25:55
just off the top of your head,
25:56
what state do you think
25:56
just off the top of your head, what state comes to mind
25:58
as being legal for incest?
26:00
It's not Ohio,
26:03
but another state, there's more than one.
26:05
You sir, would be wrong.
26:08
It is Ohio.
26:09
Yeah, okay, I thought
26:10
that's what you said.
26:12
And there's two other states.
26:15
So if you could guess what the other one
26:17
or the other state is,
26:18
what would you guess?
26:19
I'm just gonna go up the
26:20
little firm in the north
26:21
and say Illinois and Wisconsin.
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Oh, that's interesting.
26:58
Cause I thought
26:59
Arkansas, I mean, you know,
27:00
I like making the jokes about Arkansas
27:02
and every day is a cousin day.
27:04
Mississippi,
27:04
Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama,
27:08
Louisiana.
27:09
No, no, it's illegal in those states.
27:12
Ohio, New Jersey, and not New York,
27:17
but it's the East coast,
27:19
somewhere up on the East coast.
27:20
You guys can look it up and fill it in
27:22
in the comments down below.
27:24
But I could believe that.
27:27
I mean, it saves on
27:28
cousin testing, you know,
27:30
the DNA testing
27:31
before you can get married.
27:32
I don't know, maybe it's
27:33
illegal to get married.
27:34
Would that be funny?
27:35
You could have your
27:37
cousin, but you can't marry him.
27:41
Anyway, it just, you said
27:43
Ohio and it triggered me
27:44
because I was so shocked about that.
27:47
That is surprising.
27:47
You know, they say incest
27:48
is best, so I don't know.
27:49
They do, I wouldn't know them
27:50
myself, but I've heard that.
27:52
No, absolutely not.
27:53
It's not Arkansas,
27:55
that was a big deal to me.
27:57
Tip of the hat to Rick
27:58
Turner from Arkansas.
27:59
All right.
28:00
I give him a hard time all the time.
28:02
All right, so Warren's
28:04
new EVO series winch at SEMA
28:06
is an 8,000, 10,000,
28:09
and 12,000 pound versions
28:11
for Wranglers,
28:12
Gladiators, and other four by fours
28:14
with a choice of steel or synthetic rope.
28:16
See, they know what the
28:17
hell they're doing there.
28:18
They haven't outlawed steel cable.
28:20
I mean, it's gonna be
28:21
steel cable for B-Man.
28:23
I just, I don't need,
28:26
like I've said before,
28:27
I do not need to have to apply the lotion
28:29
to my synthetic rope to keep
28:33
the sun from destroying it.
28:34
It's just so that you could be fancy,
28:37
show the people in the
28:39
mall parking lot that,
28:40
"Oh, look, I got this
28:41
synthetic rope, isn't that cool?"
28:43
That's nice, is that
28:44
cheaper than the cable?
28:46
No, it's not, it's more expensive.
28:48
And you have to replace it more often.
28:49
Not if you take care of it.
28:51
Okay, well, anyway, let me, I'm a man.
28:53
I don't take care of
28:54
(beep)
28:54
I just use it.
28:55
WD, WD-40 the cable
28:57
every couple years in it,
28:59
it'll come out.
29:01
Quadratec SEMA coverage also confirms
29:03
the Scrambler runs the 392 HEMI with an
29:07
eight speed automatic.
29:08
You know, the eight
29:09
speed automatic has been,
29:11
I'm glad that I have a vehicle
29:13
with the eight speed automatic in it,
29:15
because it is a very,
29:16
very good transmission.
29:17
It is, and it's made in
29:22
the Kokomo Indiana plant
29:23
by at a Chrysler plant, but
29:26
it is a ZF or a ZF design,
29:28
and they did it the right way.
29:29
They're making it
29:30
under some type of license.
29:31
So that's a ZF box.
29:33
And to me, that's the best transmission,
29:37
automatic transmission
29:38
that's been available
29:39
in a Chrysler product
29:40
ever, is that eight speed.
29:42
What about the AW4?
29:43
I've heard the AW4 was a
29:45
very, very good engine.
29:46
I mean, very good transmission,
29:48
but I think it technically is not a
29:51
Chrysler Mopar engine.
29:52
It is a Toyota, I keep saying engine
29:55
Toyota transmission.
29:57
Yeah, Toyota Mitsubishi.
30:00
Okay. Yes, yeah.
30:01
Well, that was the- Not
30:02
USA, you don't know it.
30:03
Correct, correct.
30:04
But the eight speed that's
30:06
behind most of our Wranglers
30:09
and Gladiators, if it's
30:10
an automatic obviously,
30:12
is ZF design built at the
30:14
Kokomo Indiana engine plant
30:16
by other folks at Chrysler.
30:18
So yeah, very, very good engine.
30:20
I'm shocked they didn't make a better
30:23
manual transmission.
30:24
And when I say manual transmission,
30:26
not just the
30:26
transmission, but the clutch,
30:28
pressure plate flywheel, all that stuff,
30:31
that they just screwed
30:34
the pooch on that one.
30:35
Well, again, back to regulatory.
30:37
I mean, that's the reason why I,
30:39
my JK was a six speed.
30:40
I wanted to get a manual Gladiator,
30:43
but at that time, a
30:45
few couple of years ago,
30:47
going, no, getting a little
30:48
closer to three years now,
30:49
I guess, the recall was still open.
30:53
They wanted to detune the engine
30:54
about six or eight months
30:55
after I got my Gladiator
30:57
with an automatic, they
30:58
came out with a revised
30:59
larger clutch plate, throw, throw out,
31:03
or clutch disc and
31:04
everything and made it proper.
31:06
But too little too late for me.
31:08
But again, that was just regulatory.
31:10
You know, somebody knew.
31:11
Is this like, I'm sure when the Ford
31:13
Bronco engineers said,
31:15
those tie rod ends are a little thin.
31:18
Those are gonna be problematic
31:19
if anybody takes it off road.
31:21
Who's gonna take it off road?
31:22
This is, it's a Bronco.
31:24
You know, then they took them off road
31:27
and all that anti or negative PR
31:30
start showing up with the Broncos
31:34
or the independent front steering.
31:36
It just looks bad.
31:38
And it shows you what,
31:40
how things are designed.
31:42
They really shouldn't skimp.
31:43
I mean, you shouldn't go to the extreme
31:46
and making things very, very expensive,
31:49
but you know, it
31:50
wouldn't have cost that much
31:51
to beef up those tie rod ends.
31:54
No, no, not at all.
31:57
But I mean, they make them to make money,
31:59
not to make friends as I
32:00
was told a long, long time ago
32:02
by an auto shop teacher.
32:04
I think it hurts them in the long run.
32:07
Let me ask you something.
32:08
I bet you know something about this.
32:09
Did you see, oh, who's that?
32:12
Farley and Ford, the CEO, is it Farley?
32:15
That's the guy's last name?
32:16
Jim Farley, cousin of First Cousin,
32:18
speaking of Incest,
32:19
first cousin of Chris Farley.
32:22
I could see that, at least in a skit,
32:26
especially with the
32:26
van down by the river.
32:28
That just lines up perfectly.
32:30
But anyway, did you see him talking about
32:34
they are going to start
32:35
selling Fords directly?
32:38
They are not going to be
32:40
the whole dealer network thing
32:43
they're doing away with.
32:45
It's really the Tesla model
32:48
is what I'm looking at it as.
32:50
The price is gonna be the price.
32:52
And I think right now,
32:54
Ford sells a bunch of vehicles
32:57
to dealers, so they
32:58
technically are no longer
32:59
Ford's vehicles, but
33:01
they're changing that.
33:04
I think this is going to, I
33:05
think what they're looking
33:06
at doing is keeping the
33:08
service at the dealerships,
33:12
but as far as selling the
33:13
vehicles, it's gonna be direct.
33:15
I did not see that announcement recently,
33:18
but I have heard that
33:19
specifically, like you said,
33:21
the Tesla model that
33:22
many Ford General Motors,
33:25
at least those two,
33:27
because the electric vehicle
33:28
is different, they wanted
33:29
to carve out an exception
33:31
and not be constrained to sell them
33:34
through their franchise dealer network.
33:36
So that doesn't surprise me.
33:37
I'm familiar with the idea.
33:38
I didn't hear the announcement recently.
33:40
I mean, Farley himself was
33:42
in the video talking about it.
33:44
Of course, these days, you don't know
33:45
if it's not just
33:46
something generated by AI.
33:48
I thought that was very interesting.
33:50
And I think it's very
33:51
telling of the industry as a whole
33:55
and specifically Ford.
33:56
I don't keep up with Ford.
33:58
I view Ford as a very
34:00
good automobile manufacturer.
34:03
I wouldn't look at anything from Ford
34:05
unless it was a pickup truck.
34:07
And actually, if Jeep
34:08
only makes Jeeps with IFS
34:12
that I can afford,
34:13
I'll probably start buying
34:14
full-size pickups and Ford would be the
34:17
first one I'd go to.
34:19
If I couldn't afford
34:19
the Ford pickup truck,
34:21
because those things
34:21
are really expensive,
34:23
I'd probably be looking at the Dodge Ram.
34:25
That would be my next choice.
34:28
Not as fun as a Jeep,
34:30
not my personal choice
34:32
of what I'd like to drive it around,
34:34
but I'm not gonna drive a car around.
34:36
I mean, I'm not gonna
34:39
talk about Tesla here,
34:40
but I like Tesla.
34:42
I like it a lot.
34:43
I don't want a Tesla car.
34:45
I don't want a car.
34:47
I don't care how fast it goes.
34:49
So I don't wanna drive a car.
34:52
It's gonna be a truck or a Jeep.
34:55
That's just plain and simple.
34:56
And when I say a Jeep, an off-road Jeep,
34:58
not something,
35:00
With IFS. Pompous or anything like that.
35:02
It's just a waste of my life.
35:05
Let's just put it that way.
35:07
My life is limited and,
35:09
(beep)
35:10
you ought to drive the
35:11
vehicle that makes you feel good.
35:13
Not necessarily good about yourself,
35:14
but that you enjoy driving and being.
35:18
Yeah, and that makes you
35:19
feel good about yourself.
35:20
I thought of that this
35:23
morning on my ride into work.
35:25
It's thankfully a glitch.
35:27
I had no audio in my
35:29
2021 Gladiator CarPlay.
35:30
Everything connected.
35:31
There was no audio at all.
35:33
Couldn't make a phone call, nothing.
35:36
And did a little, looked on the phone,
35:38
could have been a
35:40
subwoofer, check this fuse, whatever.
35:43
Did you try adjusting
35:44
the key a little bit?
35:45
I noticed sometimes the key doesn't get
35:47
in the right position.
35:48
And that doesn't turn everything on.
35:51
It's got a button.
35:55
(laughing)
35:55
Like the TJ and the X-J.
35:57
Oh, oh.
35:57
If you ever had that problem,
35:58
you were a electrical issue.
36:00
No.
36:01
You were a computer.
36:02
I just, I didn't know
36:03
where the joke was going.
36:04
I'm like the key.
36:05
But anyway, my point in saying all that,
36:07
it was a moment of frustration.
36:09
I needed to get to the office.
36:11
I drove in complete silence.
36:13
I thought it might come back.
36:14
I tried to reset it. Oh no!
36:15
It was just you and your thoughts.
36:16
Me and my thoughts.
36:18
This is for real, my thoughts.
36:20
And I know the cut when I
36:22
left the office this evening,
36:23
it's working, so who knows what.
36:25
We'll worry about it
36:26
when it happens again.
36:27
But I was with my--
36:28
Did your subscription expire?
36:29
They were talking about doing
36:30
subscriptions for heat,
36:32
seaters, and all the rest of that stuff.
36:35
But I was with my own thoughts.
36:36
And to your point, I
36:38
just thought about it.
36:38
I'm like, okay, this is frustrating.
36:40
But at least I'm driving a
36:42
vehicle that I like to drive.
36:44
And again, to each their own,
36:45
everybody used to your situation.
36:47
As Josh likes to say,
36:49
your mileage may vary.
36:50
But a lot of times these days,
36:52
and times are tough, people,
36:54
well, I got this fill
36:55
in the blank new car,
36:56
and I got a really good lease.
36:57
And it's a story about how
36:59
they got a good reliable car,
37:00
which is great, that's
37:01
important, reliability, safe,
37:03
get to work, get the kids to school.
37:05
But it's just the dog's
37:07
breakfast of a car, like you said.
37:10
It's just a car or a box on
37:11
wheels that's called an SUV.
37:13
And they got to tell
37:14
everybody how they got a great deal.
37:16
And it's got carplay.
37:17
And black, white was the best color ever.
37:20
Exactly, because it's the cheapest color
37:21
and it's the only one on the lot.
37:23
But to your point,
37:24
I'm driving my Gladiator
37:26
with the hum of my Atturo tires,
37:27
just enjoying that with my thoughts.
37:30
And I thought, okay, this is frustrating.
37:31
I might have to spend some
37:33
money, burn some calories,
37:35
but I'm driving a
37:36
Jeep and it's just cool.
37:38
And it makes you feel
37:39
good about yourself.
37:40
That's a long way of
37:41
agreeing with your point.
37:43
Yeah, and it's not a
37:45
requirement that people look
37:47
or agree, at least for
37:48
me, look at your Jeep
37:50
or agree that it makes you
37:53
look better as an individual.
37:55
I don't give a about that.
37:57
It's nice, but I don't care.
37:59
You can figure I got a small because I
38:03
drive a lifted vehicle.
38:04
I don't care.
38:06
It's not something you're gonna see.
38:07
It's not something I
38:08
care about you knowing.
38:12
The Jeep is what I
38:14
have because I enjoy it.
38:16
I like it.
38:18
It's also a trustworthy friend.
38:20
It has 99.9% of the time always gotten me
38:26
to where I wanted to go.
38:28
And it's gotten me to
38:29
where I wanted to go
38:29
over some stuff that I
38:31
personally would have a hard time
38:34
walking up over or
38:35
through that it did easily.
38:39
That's one of the
38:39
reasons why, what does it say?
38:41
It's a face only a mother could love.
38:44
That's the way Jeep is.
38:45
Jeeps are ugly, but I
38:47
don't see the ugly anymore.
38:49
Before, I was interested in
38:51
Jeeps, but before I had one,
38:52
it's like, that's an ugly vehicle.
38:55
I mean, that's like Pontiac, Aztec ugly.
39:00
That's a horrible vehicle.
39:02
But actually, no, it's a correction.
39:05
It's, this was a saying,
39:06
because General Motors
39:07
was my customer at the time.
39:09
It's a great vehicle if
39:11
you didn't have lights
39:12
in your garage.
39:13
So when she got in it,
39:14
but now the road was fine.
39:16
If you didn't have lights in
39:16
your garage, you'd love it.
39:18
Yeah.
39:21
Merry for love instead of beauty.
39:23
But anyway, that was an ugly vehicle.
39:28
So, but the Jeep has a,
39:33
it has a thing about it.
39:35
It is a, an off-road vehicle.
39:38
It is a very capable off-road.
39:41
It is a self-sufficient
39:43
indication that you're potentially
39:46
a self-sufficient individual.
39:48
So it tells people, it's like
39:50
the kind of hat that you wear
39:51
or how you dress or how
39:54
much eye makeup you put on.
39:56
And that's, I'm not talking about women.
39:57
I'm talking about the Metro-Sexuals.
39:59
It gives you an indication of
40:01
what type of person this is,
40:03
because I mean, we, I think
40:04
we all like having not overly,
40:08
but having that vibe of who we are.
40:11
So if you're going to approach me and
40:13
talk to me about stuff,
40:15
talk to me about my Jeep, I mean,
40:18
or talk to me about my truck.
40:20
What was it?
40:21
Oh, I was really
40:21
surprised that did that interview.
40:24
I think it was with
40:25
Flatted that I found out
40:27
that Mr. Wonderful, at least at the time,
40:31
had a Ford F-150 pickup.
40:33
And, you know, he's high finance.
40:35
He's one of the
40:36
sharks on the "Shark Show."
40:39
And seeing him run
40:40
around in that old Ford pickup
40:43
was surprising to me.
40:45
And I thought that was really cool.
40:46
It was an F-150, and I
40:47
think it was like an 80s,
40:48
like an 89 or something.
40:50
So I thought that was really cool.
40:52
And it changed my opinion of him.
40:55
It's not that I didn't
40:56
have a bad opinion of him,
40:58
but he wears a suit, high
41:00
finance, all that stuff,
41:01
but he's got a pickup.
41:02
That tells you a lot about an individual.
41:04
That's not somebody that's
41:05
putting on stuff for show.
41:07
He probably has a pickup
41:08
because he likes to haul around.
41:10
And if he's hauling around,
41:13
that means he's picking stuff up
41:15
and putting it in the back of that truck.
41:17
Maybe he's got a friend, maybe whatever,
41:19
but still he's doing stuff on his own.
41:21
He's not just paying
41:22
somebody to do it for him.
41:23
That tells you
41:24
something about an individual.
41:25
Absolutely, absolutely.
41:29
All right, so let's see.
41:32
Salanta South Africa,
41:34
that's important to us,
41:35
is recalling 1,896
41:37
Wranglers and Gladiators
41:39
sold from 2021 to 2025.
41:42
A power steering pump
41:43
connection can overheat,
41:45
trigger a service power steering warning,
41:48
and in some cases, start a fire.
41:49
This is that big recall
41:50
that we've talked about.
41:52
You and Josh were talking about
41:53
just a few weeks ago as well.
41:55
Yeah, but I'm surprised.
41:57
Maybe it's because it's
41:57
South Africa, but only 1,896.
42:00
I mean, there's a bunch of
42:02
vehicles here in the States
42:04
that are under that
42:05
flag, that recall flag,
42:07
as well as mine.
42:10
Let's see, a Chile
42:12
flagged 1,181 Wranglers,
42:14
Gladiators, and Grand Trucks,
42:16
for radio software bug that can leave
42:18
the backup camera
42:19
screen blank and reverse.
42:21
Oh my God, how can you
42:23
drive without a reverse camera?
42:26
How dare they?
42:27
How many people got killed or backed over
42:31
because of that camera being out?
42:34
Yeah, that is an indication of society
42:38
going in the wrong
42:38
direction, because that is,
42:40
it really is, I get
42:42
it, but it's a mandated,
42:44
a government mandated federal,
42:46
a regulated feature, and
42:47
they have to recall it,
42:48
it's safety, and people will think
42:51
that they wouldn't be
42:52
able to drive the vehicle,
42:53
or they're gonna complain,
42:54
or they're gonna want a loan,
42:55
or whatever it is, turn your
42:56
(beep)
42:56
head,
42:57
turn your head, turn your head.
42:59
Do that anyway.
43:00
Right, do I use the backup
43:02
camera and the Gladiator?
43:03
I do, it's a bit longer vehicle,
43:05
I like to back into a lot of the places.
43:07
I know I'm not Bruce Wayne or Batman,
43:09
but I do like to back
43:10
in for quick escape,
43:13
and it is helpful when you're backing in,
43:15
just to make sure you
43:16
don't bump a vehicle,
43:17
or pole, or whatever.
43:19
But you can still--
43:20
Or your kid, your kid may be out there,
43:22
your two year old may have wandered out.
43:24
It's a wonderful safety device,
43:26
but when people panic,
43:28
honey, myself, my check engine line,
43:30
I got a little picture
43:31
of an engine on my dash,
43:32
what do I do?
43:33
In a Jeep, you say, well,
43:35
you can say, is it flashing?
43:36
No, drive it.
43:38
The only light on the dash
43:41
that you should really
43:42
be too concerned about,
43:43
and you can't do anything about it,
43:44
is if you see the little
43:45
man sitting on the toilet,
43:46
and you know you're not
43:47
gonna have a very good--
43:47
Which one is that, I
43:48
can't remember, what is that?
43:50
It's when the outside
43:52
temperature reads negative four,
43:53
it looks like a man sitting on a toilet.
43:56
Thank you,
43:57
(beep)
43:57
It's always fun, you stop sitting down.
43:59
Is that, that toilet
44:01
seat is a little cold.
44:02
Yes, yes, no, that was a meme somewhere,
44:05
the wife called the husband and said,
44:07
there's a picture of
44:07
me sitting on a toilet.
44:09
I forgot what exactly what it was
44:10
supposed to be telling.
44:10
It's a really cold day, dear.
44:13
All right, SEMA handed out,
44:15
it's 2026, new product awards on day one.
44:19
The truck and off-road
44:20
winner was Flat Peaks,
44:22
rooftop tent leveling mounts,
44:24
priced at more than, I'm
44:26
sorry, picked from more,
44:27
because I thought it was gonna be $1,300,
44:29
picked for more than 1,300
44:31
entries across 15 categories.
44:35
That's pretty cool, I don't know,
44:37
I need to look at this
44:38
to see if it's as cool
44:39
as I think it is, but can you imagine
44:41
that you think you're in a flat spot,
44:44
but you're not, and you're sliding
44:47
while you're trying to sleep.
44:49
Yes.
44:50
So a leveling,
44:52
something that levels the tent,
44:54
and I would assume that that, let's see,
44:57
what was it, Flat Peaks
44:59
rooftop tent leveling mounts.
45:01
Well, I guess that
45:02
means underneath the tent,
45:05
not underneath the vehicle.
45:07
Right. That's interesting.
45:08
That's pretty cool.
45:09
It is, I mean, the other great thing
45:14
about the Gladiator though, I mean,
45:15
the leveling mounts, I'm
45:17
taking away from someone's product,
45:18
but you can flip on the
45:19
off-road pages at low speed,
45:22
and it will tell you
45:22
if the Jeep is level,
45:23
it'll give you pitch and yaw.
45:25
Oh yeah.
45:26
So, and I've done that with Theracamper,
45:29
using the Theracamper,
45:30
just being a way to--
45:30
Do you have trouble finding a good spot,
45:32
a good level spot?
45:34
No, most, all of my
45:35
camping has been at purpose,
45:37
campgrounds or fields at a racetrack.
45:40
I have not been out in
45:42
the backcountry yet with it,
45:45
but I will, but I do use that,
45:48
just to get an idea
45:49
of where it's sitting,
45:52
just, you know, no stuff goes down.
45:54
This can happen anywhere.
45:55
I mean, even if you're tent camping,
45:56
which you've done for years,
45:59
I would assume that you
46:00
don't find out it's not level
46:02
after you're laying down to go to sleep.
46:05
I would assume that a
46:07
certain amount of not level
46:10
is acceptable, as long
46:11
as it doesn't move you
46:12
or cause the blood to
46:14
rush through your head.
46:15
I would imagine it's
46:17
not, do you ever watch,
46:19
have you ever watched Rick and Morty?
46:22
I've not, I know what it is, I can't say.
46:24
I've never watched that.
46:26
Holy crap, it's hilarious.
46:27
So Morty was going on about level
46:31
and Rick said, okay, fuck it.
46:34
I'm gonna tell you what level is.
46:37
And he created all this sciencey stuff
46:39
and it little like a 12 by 12 square
46:43
and made a level thing.
46:44
Morty's like, oh, give me a break Rick.
46:47
What is level?
46:48
And then he steps on it
46:49
and he goes, oh my God.
46:51
This is so nice.
46:54
Cause it was really level.
46:56
And then he didn't
46:56
want to come off of it.
46:57
It was hilarious.
46:59
That show is, it's messed up.
47:01
These people are on drugs that
47:02
are coming up with this show.
47:04
But you know how I
47:05
love the little smart ass
47:07
and the little non sequiturs.
47:09
They have so many of those in the show.
47:12
They made a comment the other day about,
47:13
I think Rick said he had
47:15
never watched the movie
47:16
as good as it gets and he never will.
47:18
And I'm like, where the
47:19
hell did that come from?
47:21
(laughing) I liked that movie.
47:24
All right, anyway, let me
47:26
talk about this one real quick
47:27
before we wrap up.
47:28
For XJ fans, Axl's 1 10th scale SCB 10,
47:33
three Cherokee XJ crawler is
47:35
modeled on a 2001 Cherokee,
47:37
the last year of the
47:39
Cherokee XJ in forest green,
47:41
which is a fail, it should be red.
47:44
Pearl or stone white.
47:46
It has BFG Goodrich KX tires,
47:49
a replica worn wench working LEDs
47:51
and a rear locking
47:52
dig feature for $499.99
47:58
with the battery and
47:59
charger sold separately.
48:03
So $500, you can look at it.
48:07
If you want to drive it around,
48:08
it's gonna cost you a little bit more.
48:10
I kind of liked that
48:11
from the standpoint of,
48:12
if there's after
48:14
markets that may be better,
48:16
bigger battery, more better charge,
48:19
charger better, so on and so forth,
48:21
so you can buy your own.
48:24
I gotta tell you, and I'm
48:25
gonna lose some friends here.
48:27
I think the biggest waste of
48:30
time is me watching a video
48:34
of somebody driving an RC
48:36
Jeep or anything around.
48:38
I don't care.
48:40
Why in the world do you,
48:43
if you want to spend
48:44
that much time for an RC
48:46
and you don't make the little noise
48:50
while you're driving around, that's fine.
48:52
But I think part of it is,
48:54
let me see if I can
48:55
fool people into thinking
48:57
that this is a real vehicle.
48:59
Why, why in the world?
49:01
Why, why?
49:03
I mean, you're not nine.
49:05
I mean, you couldn't afford the thing
49:07
if you were nine years old.
49:08
I get it.
49:09
My nephew, I have a
49:10
nephew that's about that age
49:11
and he's in RCs, but that's fine.
49:13
He's nine, 10 years old.
49:14
But he plays with him.
49:16
He's not videoing, he's plays with him.
49:17
So I get there's a place, but I agree.
49:19
I mean, videos and I just, you could
49:21
spend a lot of money.
49:22
You could spend a lot
49:23
of good Jeep parts money
49:24
on RC vehicles with the
49:25
upgrades and everything else.
49:27
And you can get a lot more Jeep parts
49:28
for less money for the RCs,
49:31
but they're still very expensive.
49:32
You know the one, and
49:33
I've mentioned this before,
49:34
the one that I really
49:35
like is when the chick
49:37
is sitting in a chair outside
49:39
with three big monitors set up
49:42
and she's driving an RC around
49:44
from the point of view of the driver.
49:47
Oh yeah.
49:47
And she, and you know,
49:49
and I'm pretty sure
49:49
the whole setup moves.
49:51
So you feel the off camera.
49:54
Yeah, now that's pretty cool.
49:56
The only thing is, is
49:57
that it doesn't really have
49:59
the same type of
50:00
suspension that your Jeep does.
50:02
So it's very hard.
50:05
It bounces very hard, very dramatically.
50:07
Now, if they could get
50:09
it where it is almost 100%
50:13
the same as driving a real Jeep
50:15
and you could put explosives in it.
50:20
Don't do that.
50:21
We're already on this.
50:24
(laughing)
50:24
You know, I think
50:25
we've all seen James Bond.
50:27
Yes.
50:28
So anyway, with that, I
50:30
think we'll wrap it up, Chris.
50:32
Did you have anything
50:33
anyone to close up with?
50:36
No, I'm good.
50:37
Just appreciate the opportunity
50:38
sitting with you again this week
50:40
and look forward to the next episode.
50:45
So I don't know what's
50:46
going on with Josh's mom.
50:48
She did take a spill and
50:50
broke or cracked a hip.
50:52
Was gonna have to have that replaced.
50:53
She's currently going
50:54
through chemotherapy
50:56
and I did not hear from
50:58
Josh last week or this week.
50:59
So I'm sure he's in the
51:01
midst of taking care of his mom.
51:02
Hopefully we don't have any bad news
51:04
to report anytime soon.
51:06
But if you keep her
51:07
and Josh in your prayers,
51:09
we'd really appreciate it.
51:11
All right, so upcoming events or events
51:13
that are currently going on.
51:15
SEMA Public Day and SEMA Cruise Friday,
51:19
which is gonna be the day that we
51:20
released this episode,
51:21
November 6th in Las Vegas
51:24
with the cruise rolling out
51:26
at 4 p.m.
51:27
So Public Day, Chris, do you ever see a
51:30
SEMA going full public?
51:31
All four, I guess it'd be four days,
51:35
Tuesday through Friday?
51:37
I don't, just because of the magnitude
51:40
and the nature of the
51:40
show being what it is.
51:43
However, it's possible.
51:45
One of the shows I went to last year,
51:46
last December was the PRI,
51:48
the Performance Racing Institute.
51:50
I saw our friend at the
51:51
show, Tom Zielinski there,
51:52
and it's everything
51:53
racing except for NASCAR.
51:54
So just a notch below NASCAR and IndyCar,
51:57
but dirt racing,
51:59
off-road racing, everything.
52:00
Just this year,
52:01
they've announced for $45,
52:03
you can get into it.
52:04
So Adam would SEMA go there someday.
52:06
It gets as much smaller show
52:08
at the Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis,
52:11
but last year got in with a media pass
52:14
and there's membership,
52:16
and now they're opening up to the public.
52:17
So long way answering
52:19
your question again.
52:20
Could SEMA do it?
52:21
It's possible, I'd like to think that.
52:23
You know, if SEMA sold
52:24
tickets for every day,
52:25
maybe they wouldn't
52:26
have to charge companies
52:27
so much with the booth.
52:29
And if you needed power in
52:31
your little taped off area,
52:33
quote unquote, booth,
52:34
there's nothing built there.
52:35
It's just a taped thing.
52:36
And if you need power running there,
52:38
they wouldn't charge you $4,500
52:41
to tape down an
52:42
extension cord across the floor.
52:45
It's like, I can do that.
52:46
Nope, sorry, you can't.
52:48
It's like, because it's all we have to
52:49
have money for this.
52:50
And understand it's a
52:51
profit deal type thing,
52:53
but spread it out a little bit.
52:55
Yeah, trade shows are an
52:57
industry in and of themselves.
52:59
But I don't think they lower the prices
53:01
for the exhibitors at all.
53:03
I don't think we've
53:04
ever talked about this.
53:05
And your day job, as you put it,
53:08
you have run across
53:11
people doing interviews
53:13
for YouTube and magazines and stuff.
53:16
You told me, I think it was
53:18
like a 15 minute interview,
53:19
15, 30 minute interview was $7,000.
53:24
No, it was $1,000 for up to 15 minutes.
53:29
$1,000.
53:30
The Lord.
53:31
Yeah, that was on the
53:32
tail end of another,
53:33
that was with an agreement
53:35
for another presentation.
53:37
So it was a podcast one-on-one via Zoom,
53:41
just like we're doing
53:41
here, virtually with Post.
53:43
But then it was also
53:44
attached to another payment
53:47
for an in-person
53:48
presentation for an hour in an office.
53:51
So yeah, yeah.
53:55
How do they convince companies
53:59
to spend that kind of money?
54:01
That really surprises me.
54:02
Is it just position
54:04
like, oh, we've got to do it.
54:05
That's just the way you have to do it.
54:08
Because I think you've said
54:10
it's not a very good interview
54:11
without naming any names.
54:13
I don't want to name any names.
54:14
No, the interview's great.
54:15
The interview's great.
54:16
It's just not, and I guess you asked me
54:18
if anything close out.
54:20
Yeah, I mean, we need some interviews
54:22
and spend a little rough go
54:23
with all of our industry
54:25
friends getting ready for SEMA.
54:26
So I'll be reaching out to
54:27
each and every one of you
54:28
that's listening to this
54:30
beginning tomorrow on Friday.
54:31
We know who you are.
54:32
Yeah, exactly, that you're back.
54:34
But it's to answer your question,
54:36
it's what is associated to,
54:38
there was another podcast
54:41
opportunity that was $2,000,
54:43
but it was an hour.
54:44
But it's typically
54:45
associated with legacy media.
54:47
I know that's a bad term,
54:48
but legacy media or a
54:50
magazine publication.
54:52
And podcasts are this new
54:53
shiny thing that's new anymore.
54:55
So they've got a magazine.
54:59
It's a big deal, so you're willing to,
55:00
because it's a big deal, it's worth it,
55:03
at least in your mind, to give it a try.
55:06
So we just need 30,000 more viewers.
55:10
And then we can start charging $7,000
55:12
for two and a half minutes.
55:15
But because we're only
55:16
kind of a big deal right now,
55:17
we charge them up.
55:18
When we become a big deal,
55:20
we have to charge something.
55:21
But right now, we're kind of a big deal
55:23
and we don't charge anything just for--
55:25
Oh, I have to charge it
55:26
just to weed out the wannabes.
55:28
Oh yeah.
55:29
Only the people that can really do it.
55:32
Oh, speaking of not wannabes at all,
55:34
but we have an interview with Ruby,
55:39
Ultra Car 4600 Racer,
55:41
King of the Hammers,
55:42
so and so forth, that's
55:43
gonna be coming out tomorrow.
55:45
We've been trying to
55:46
push that on social media.
55:48
It was a really fun interview.
55:50
And I was, I did not know that Ruby,
55:55
until I was interviewing
55:56
her, is such a big deal.
55:59
She's one of the really big deals.
56:00
She was actually out at
56:01
SEMA signing autographs
56:03
at the Lincoln Electric booth.
56:06
She does welding, all kinds of stuff.
56:08
And she was a lot of fun.
56:09
And so I would
56:11
definitely look for that interview
56:15
with Ruby this Friday
56:18
on the Jeep Talk Show.
56:20
I recommend going to YouTube
56:22
and just doing a
56:23
search for Jeep Talk Show.
56:25
You can always go to jeeptalkshow.com
56:26
slash YT as in YouTube
56:29
and you will find it.
56:31
All right, another event.
56:32
And I found this one interesting.
56:35
Angela, I think it's
56:36
Angela, Car Auctions,
56:39
November 7th and 8th, I
56:41
believe that'd be Saturday
56:43
in England with the 1953 M38A1
56:49
and then a 1950 CJ3A.
56:53
That would be cool to go
56:55
to a Jeep event in England
56:59
and have a spot of tea.
57:01
I just- Biscuits.
57:04
Biscuits, yes, which are cookies.
57:06
Just say cookies.
57:07
It's like the Canadian bacon.
57:09
I'm hoping that Trump
57:10
works out the deal with Canada.
57:13
And I think I sent him a message and say,
57:16
force them to stop
57:17
calling it Canadian bacon.
57:19
It's not bacon.
57:21
It's ham. Yes, it's ham.
57:24
I couldn't work it out where the,
57:25
you put an American in
57:27
there like the Gulf of America.
57:28
They also call it the
57:29
Canadian of America,
57:30
but that doesn't work,
57:31
or the bacon of America.
57:32
But American bacon is
57:33
good, so we know what that is.
57:35
Anyway, stop calling it Canadian bacon.
57:38
It's just a lie. It's ham.
57:40
Get excited, you have some.
57:42
It's good. Yeah.
57:43
But you say this ain't bacon.
57:47
All right, Chris, that's about enough
57:50
nonsense for tonight.
57:51
Well, thank you guys for being here.
57:52
Thank you, Chris, for recording with us
57:54
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57:57
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57:58
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57:59
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58:14
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58:16
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58:19
You can now go to the JTS Flix thing,
58:23
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58:25
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58:27
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58:29
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58:31
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58:33
And the really cool thing,
58:35
or the thing I think is really cool,
58:37
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58:38
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58:39
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58:40
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58:43
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58:44
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58:46
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58:49
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58:52
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58:54
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58:58
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58:59
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59:02
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59:03
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59:04
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59:05
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59:07
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59:09
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59:11
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59:11
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59:12
which I think everybody does.
59:13
It's really cool, it's a great, easy way
59:16
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59:18
day, a nine-hour day.
59:19
You can just watch it,
59:21
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59:22
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59:24
So yeah, it's a lot of fun.
59:27
It's not a bad thing
59:28
for us as far as views go.
59:29
I'll just be honest.
59:31
But that's kind of the deal, right?
59:32
It keeps entertaining,
59:34
educational, and easy to absorb,
59:37
then people have a tendency to do that.
59:40
Absolutely.
59:41
And you got nothing coming up, right?
59:43
Because everything's done
59:44
for now until EJS, right?
59:47
Well, actually no, we
59:48
got the Detroit Winter Fest
59:49
coming up in January, the end of January.
59:51
So Tom Blinske and Detroit Winter Fest,
59:53
that'll be coming up January 17th, 18th,
59:55
or 17th, I believe,
59:57
but it's just one day,
59:58
Winter Fest at Hollyoaks in January.
1:00:00
And then after that,
1:00:01
we'll be joining the
1:00:02
team with High Lift Off-Road
1:00:03
for the Mid-America
1:00:04
Off-Road Expo in February,
1:00:06
end of February.
1:00:07
So they got those two events for sure.
1:00:10
And then looking forward
1:00:11
to EJS in March, obviously,
1:00:13
and then some wheeling
1:00:15
throughout the Midwest after that.
1:00:18
So yeah, looking forward
1:00:19
to Winter Fest in January.
1:00:22
So maybe jumping the gun here,
1:00:23
but are you gonna be doing the MC thing
1:00:26
at Winter Fest this year?
1:00:29
No, typically there's no,
1:00:31
it's just because it's one
1:00:32
day, it's outside, it's cold,
1:00:34
there's no speakers,
1:00:35
there's no sound for anything.
1:00:37
How cold is it, Jost?
1:00:39
Can you make as MC?
1:00:41
Yeah, it depends on the air.
1:00:43
It was pretty cold last year.
1:00:44
It's always pretty darn
1:00:46
cold, unless the sun comes out.
1:00:48
But yeah, it's just a
1:00:50
little more toned down of that.
1:00:52
Are you gonna have the VAR
1:00:53
camper out there this year?
1:00:55
I don't believe so,
1:00:57
just because it's a one day,
1:00:59
I don't think we'll
1:01:00
take out their camper.
1:01:02
Definitely won't be
1:01:03
sleeping in it for the night,
1:01:05
just because.
1:01:07
Keep your popsicles cold.
1:01:09
Exactly. All right, Chris.
1:01:10
Thanks a lot.
1:01:11
Thank you, Tony. We will catch you again.
1:01:13
Hopefully Josh will be back.
1:01:15
But if not, we always have a great person
1:01:18
to fill in for Josh, and I appreciate it.
1:01:21
Thank you. You guys have a great night.
1:01:23
You're my friend, you're my new friend.
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