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Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast
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by night. All day. What's happening?
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Speaker 2: What's up, buddy?
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Speaker 1: That's a hell of a fucking belt buckle. What is that?
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What is that? What's going on there?
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Speaker 2: So this one is for a horse I have called
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Maverick Buzz the Tower that won reserve at the Futurity.
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Speaker 1: And they give you a belt buckle if you win?
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Speaker 2: A belt buckle and money.
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Speaker 1: That's a dope belt buckle.
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Speaker 2: Expensive belt buckle.
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Speaker 1: So... Guys like you that understand horses, if you saw
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someone with one of those, you would know exactly what
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that is right away.
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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. And the year. Depending on the year, I'm
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going to know the horse. It's like you and fighters.
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Speaker 1: I guess. I guess it's probably similar.
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Speaker 2: Oh, that guy won the thing in 2012. He fought
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so-and-so and that's the same with me and horses.
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Speaker 1: It's always so interesting to me how there's these different
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sort of categories of interests that people have that one
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person might not know anything. I don't know anything about horses.
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But you're like, fucking balls deep, you know, everything about
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it's crazy. It's such an interesting like pool of knowledge.
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The people that are really into horses and they start explaining, Oh,
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this is not as simple as, Oh, that's a horse.
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And that's a horse too. Like there's genetic lines and
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there's certain tendencies that certain horses will actually pass on
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to their offspring.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
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Speaker 1: Oh, it's crazy stuff.
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Speaker 2: There's a stallion and I really like him. I've got
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a number of horses by this day and his, his
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name's spooks got a whiz and, and they're just incredibly balanced,
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real feely, very, very quick footed, big stoppers, but they,
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they see dead people. They see ghosts. So like once
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every three months for no reason, this thing's going to
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fucking check out. And I mean, check out, just decide
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it's not safe here. We're going back to the barn.
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You can come with me or I'm going to buck
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your ass off or I'm going to flip over. No,
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he just loses his mind.
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Speaker 1: Whoa.
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Speaker 2: And you never know when it's going to happen.
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Speaker 1: And his children have this as well? Yeah. Whoa.
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Speaker 2: Just a little quirk. But other than that, they're fucking automatic.
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Speaker 1: That's a big quirk. That's like if you have a
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Corvette and it decides to drive home. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: A little bit.
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Speaker 1: A little bit. Most of the time you can go
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to the store.
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Speaker 2: We all deal with it because they're worth it.
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Speaker 1: I guess. But that seems so crazy. The horse, do
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you really think it sees ghosts?
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Speaker 2: I don't know what he sees. Some kind of boogeyman.
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A lot of them are deaf.
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Speaker 1: Really?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Why? Well, there's a gene. Typically, if you see
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a horse with a white face and the white goes
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above the eyes, typically that horse is deaf.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: And so they can't hear, but they can feel the vibrations. So, like,
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that could set one of those horses off.
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Speaker 1: Just anything pounding on the ground that might be something
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chasing it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, they're prey animals.
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Speaker 1: Right, right, right. Wow. The deaf thing is crazy. I
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wonder if that has any sort of an advantage where
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they could sort of tune out distractions. I would imagine
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if a.
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Speaker 2: Horse is at a rodeo. Yes, 100 percent because this
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crowd is screaming and yelling. It's not going to bother them. Now,
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if they start stomping their feet, I was going to
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show this one horse of mine and I'm about to
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run on the pen and all these guys are cheering
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for this Italian rider and they're all beating on the
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side of the arena.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Oh.
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Speaker 2: And my horse checked the fuck.
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Speaker 1: Out.
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Speaker 2: He checked the fuck out. He's like a whole herd
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of elephants.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Wow. I can imagine how weird that is
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for the horse.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Like it's being told to do something, but its instincts
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are like, no.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: We got to get the fuck out of here. I
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can't hear anything. That's nuts.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: The hearing thing. There's a famous pool player. His name
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is Shane Van Boning. He's like one of the greatest
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pool players of all time, if not the greatest. And
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he's deaf. And he has hearing aids. And when he plays,
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he shuts them off. He just goes click and goes
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into this world.
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Speaker 2: The zone.
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Speaker 1: Just of balls and geometry and just doesn't miss. Just
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he's a horrifying person to play.
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Speaker 3: Really?
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Speaker 1: And because of the fact that he's got that extra
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sense shut off, like the hearing, he can shut it off.
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It's not just that. I mean, he's also obsessive. He
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practices 10 hours a day. I mean, he's an all-time wizard.
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Like he's won the U.S. Open, which is the hardest
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tournament to win in all of pool. He's won it
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five times. There's only one other guy in history, Earl Strickland,
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that's won it five times.
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Speaker 2: Everybody plays pool, like everybody, a little. Yeah. But then
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the levels to the game, like you start getting a
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professional pool player.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And they're playing a totally different game.
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Speaker 1: It's a totally different, just watching it, you realize like,
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oh my God, what am I doing? I'm hitting the
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ball way too hard. I don't know what I'm doing.
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My angles are all fucked up. Like this guy's playing
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that with English. I would just hit it straight. They're
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doing a spin, a backspin.
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Speaker 2: It hits over here.
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Speaker 1: It's the control of the ball. It's just like they're
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a part of the stick is a part of their body.
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The stick and the ball, they're all connected in space
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and time, and they know where that ball is going
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within millimeters. It's nuts to watch. Some of these guys,
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they'll hit a ball, and it'll travel. It's a nine-foot table.
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It'll travel all the fuck away around the table. It's
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like a 12-foot distance. And it'll go in a two-inch spot. Yeah.
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And you just go, fuck me. It's crazy. And then
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if you do that, and you're deaf, too. Like, you
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don't even hear the cheers. You're just still in the zone.
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Speaker 2: Just hyper-focused.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, just hyper-focused. Autism probably helps, too, if you have that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. A little.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Just a touch of autism.
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Speaker 2: I got a little, I think.
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Speaker 1: I think anybody's good at anything. I got a little.
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Anybody who's good at anything is either ADHD or autistic.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. They tried to give me medicine for the ADHD.
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Speaker 1: Did they? Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, fuck, no.
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Speaker 1: How old were you when they tried to give it
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to you?
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Speaker 2: Oh, well, they did give it to me when I
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was a kid.
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Speaker 1: Really?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. What'd they give you? And then you're, who knows?
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But whatever, you're lobotomized, right?
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Speaker 1: Fuck.
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Speaker 2: And so I stopped taking it just because I was,
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you know, and so my parents were like, fuck it,
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just let him run around.
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Speaker 1: My neighbor's kid. They gave it to him when I
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lived in California. It was such a bummer. He was
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this wild little kid. And they gave it to him
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and all of a sudden he was flat.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh. And the lady was like, oh,
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he's on medication now because he's hyperactive. I'm like, oh,
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my God. Not my kid. Not my place. I'm not
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saying nothing. I just go to work. You know, I
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was single back then. And I was like 28 or 29.
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And I was just so confused. How you could do that.
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And then I kept thinking, like, if somebody did that
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to me when I was a kid, for sure I
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would have been on drugs.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: If my parents knew about those options, they could shut
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me the fuck up. If I had the wrong parents,
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my parents wouldn't have done it. But if I had
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the wrong parents, 100%, I had all the traits that
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would have allowed me to get on Ritalin or whatever.
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Speaker 2: It's a fucking superpower if you understand it.
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Speaker 1: Exactly.
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Speaker 2: It's a superpower.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. If you could find something you love.
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Speaker 2: People say, how in the world can you write a
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script that you write all these things? It's not that hard.
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Like once I know what it is, I can sit–
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you could sit me in an airport around 1,000 people.
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I won't hear them and I can sit there for
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12 hours straight.
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Speaker 1: Because you love it.
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Speaker 2: I just get– I just hyper-focus.
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Speaker 1: But if somebody wants you to pay attention to the
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history of Pop-Tarts or something. I can't. It's not going
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in there.
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Speaker 2: I physically can't do it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's not going in there. That's the superpower. The
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superpower is you can find something you love and focus
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on it. The way our education system is designed is
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so ass backwards. You take kids that are so energetic
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and they have so much life and you just squeeze
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it out of them. Just sit still. Stay put. Listen
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to boring shit. And all day they're just fighting this
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desire to scream and just run out of the building
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and go do something fun.
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Speaker 2: Wasn't the– like essentially what we call the modern– public
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education system founded by, or really by the Rockefellers as a,
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as a means to create workers.
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Speaker 1: Yep. Yep.
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Speaker 2: That's it.
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Speaker 1: Compliant workers and soldiers conform. Just one of the reasons
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why they decided to start school so early for kids
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is the earlier you can start them, the more you
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can get them to do whatever you want them to do.
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And the more you can get them to pledge allegiance
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and get really excited about this, that, or the other thing,
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including all the trans stuff that you see in school,
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all the pride stuff and teachers are, working with preschool
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kids and they're talking about sexuality and you're like, they're
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fucking six. Like they don't know what you're talking. Like,
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why are you even talking to them about that? Because
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you can get them early and you can program those
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thoughts into their mind that this is a good cause.
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And it could be anything. It could be your religion.
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It could be your political ideology. It could be being
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a Christian, being a Muslim, whatever. If you get kids
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young enough to, You can talk them into doing almost anything.
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That's why they have child suicide bombers. They don't try
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to get guys in their 40s with a family to
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strap a vest on. They try to get kids. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And, you know, what will really bake a couple of
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noodles is if you look at– because all these things
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are funded, all these nonprofits and NGOs, they're off of–
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but where does the money come from? And when you
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look at where the money comes from and you realize, oh,
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wait a minute, and it's been coming for 40, 50
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years from these places. Qatar, for example, obviously Russia, China,
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all these are enemies. Donating money to all of these
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various groups to divide, to just eat away from the inside.
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Speaker 1: Russia has been doing it since the 70s.
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Speaker 2: 60s.
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Speaker 1: 60s. Yeah. That Yuri Bezmenov, I'm sure you've seen that video.
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Anybody who hasn't, please watch it. It's Yuri Bezmenov and
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it's in 1984. And this guy is essentially describing what
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America is going to look like eventually. And he's dead on,
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just dead on, dead on with the communism, the Marxism,
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the stuff in the universities, just completely poison their mind,
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push out any ideas of patriotism being a a virtue
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all the hate for america that you have like all
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the division all of it engineered yeah.
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Speaker 2: And it's wild just look at who it benefits that's
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it that's it it's real simple yeah just look and
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see who it benefits.
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Speaker 1: Well, it benefits a lot of people in this country
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as well, unfortunately. There's a lot of people that really
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love division and they can profit off of it and
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they can work an angle. We're with you. This is
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a big part of the problem with the whole idea
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of nonprofits because nonprofits in theory are awesome. It's a
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great thing that people are willing to donate their money
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like– Wealthy people who are doing well say, you know what,
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I think my money could be best suited helping out
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other people. It's beautiful. It's one of the most amazing
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notions about people when they can be charitable when they
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don't have to be. They do it because they want
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to and they really want to help. Then you find
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out what's really going on and that the majority of
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the money is going to overhead and employees.
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Speaker 2: Well, think about this. If I create a nonprofit to
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go solve– well, LA is a perfect example. We can
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look at the homeless situation that they have there and
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all of these NGOs that are getting all of this money.
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And the problem is getting worse. It's not getting better.
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It's getting worse. But if I form an NGO and
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that's my cause and I solve the problem, what do
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I do? What do I do with my NGO? Now
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I got no money. Now there's no reason to give
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me money. So they don't create them to solve problems.
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Speaker 1: The incentives are totally fucked.
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Speaker 2: Anything exacerbate the problem. Make the problem worse. Make it longer.
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Make it bigger. Look how big the problem is. We
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need more money.
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Speaker 1: Some guy was doing a breakdown of the people that
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work in the homeless industry. Industry, I say in air quotes,
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in California because that's really what it is. They spent
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$ 24 billion on the homeless problem. And no one can
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account for it. And they tried to get an accounting
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of it. They tried to do an audit of it.
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And Newsom vetoed it. Vetoed it. Like, why would you
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want to know? Let's stop all that nonsense and build
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this fucking train track to nowhere that's never going to
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get built.
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Speaker 2: Well, they have a mile of it. They have a
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mile of that train.
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Speaker 1: It only costs $ 100 billion.
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Speaker 2: Relax.
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Speaker 1: Things take time.
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Speaker 2: They have a fucking mile. And they're like, well, we're
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trying to choose the path. How about right beside the I-5?
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How about that? How about right next to the flat
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fucking highway?
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Speaker 1: Everything they do sucks. How about that stupid fucking road
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over the highway to make sure the mountain lines are safe?
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It's like over $ 100 million still not done.
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Speaker 2: And they have them— by the way, that's not a new concept.
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They have those throughout the West. Yeah. And they don't
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cost shit.
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Speaker 1: They don't cost much money at all. They fix them quick.
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They do it quick. It's just— Yeah, they're done in
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a couple of months. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Pour some cement.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Put some sod down. Plant some fucking grass. And away
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you go. Away you go. But we're applying logic to
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a state that doesn't use that.
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Speaker 1: It is as goofy as it gets. And then you
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think it's as goofy as it gets, and then you
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hear that Portland— It just– OK. So this is going
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to be on the ballot in November. It got enough
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votes to be on the ballot. And this is some
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law that's under the guise of stop animal cruelty. Well,
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who doesn't want to stop animal cruelty? I certainly want
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to stop animal cruelty. Let's stop animal cruelty. So what
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does it mean? It means no hunting, no fishing, no ranching,
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no agriculture, no animals that get harmed in any way,
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no killing chickens for Kentucky fried chicken, nothing. No animals die.
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Speaker 2: And this is a city ordinance?
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Speaker 1: Oregon is voting on this in November. No fishing. No fishing.
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What are you saying? Are you fucking high?
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Speaker 2: And no.
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Speaker 1: So no hunting, no ranching, ranching. You can't ranch. You're
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going to kill a cow. What are you crazy? That's
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illegal in Oregon.
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Speaker 2: And here's. That probably sounds like a good idea to
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one of those people. But here's my question. All right,
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so let's do it. Let's just outlaw ranching. Let's just say,
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fuck it. Well, there's 91 million cattle in the country.
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So what do we do with them?
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Speaker 1: You just leave them alone. Let nature take its course.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's no nature to take its course. It's
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just 91 million head of fucking cattle. And I can
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promise you this, if you outlaw me feeding them and
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taking care of them, then they're wandering the highway.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then the bulls are out?
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So you're going to keep the bulls contained? No. The
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bulls are going to kill people.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And make more cattle.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And make more cattle.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So now we have 900 million cattle in three decades.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And fuck all your fences. Bulls are going to
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smash them. Bulls are going to eat your grass. Well,
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bulls are going to stomp your dog. Like what are
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you talking about?
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Speaker 2: I can't.
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Speaker 1: But it's not supposed to be logical. It's all just
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a vibe, man. It's like– and it's not even a
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well-thought-out one. But the problem is you don't have to
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be well-thought-out to get on the ballot. You just have
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to appeal to certain sensibilities. And then all of a
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sudden people are like, oh, that would be good. Let's
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stop animal cruelty. And they're probably on SSRIs anyway.
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Speaker 2: It will probably pass.
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Speaker 1: Nah. Yeah, I don't think it'll pass.
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Speaker 3: According to this New York Times article, it was one guy.
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Speaker 1: One guy?
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Speaker 3: And he got 135,000 signatures and got it passed to
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that level.
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Speaker 1: I wonder how many of them are homeless people.
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Speaker 3: He moved to Portland from Denver from Southern California.
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Speaker 1: Do we have a photo of this dude? I want
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to see what this guy looks like.
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Speaker 2: Of course he's from Southern California.
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Speaker 1: Of course he is. He's a vegan. Oh, that's weird.
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I would have never guessed.
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Speaker 3: Substitute teacher.
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Speaker 1: Oh, substitute teacher.
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Speaker 2: It keeps getting better.
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Speaker 1: He's a winner.
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Speaker 3: I lost it.
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Speaker 1: What else?
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Speaker 3: That's all I was saying.
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Speaker 1: I didn't frame him very well. Dammit. They shouldn't. It's
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a crazy idea. There you go.
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Speaker 2: Mickelson.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Substitute teacher, vegan, and petitions organizer.
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Speaker 1: It's to have a system where we're not killing or
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hurting animals anymore. I love how he said a system.
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What are you talking about? What does that mean? What's
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a system? Are you talking about nature? What are you
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talking about? Like, they're going to kill each other. Stupid. Like,
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what the fuck are you talking about? Is it somehow
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or another less cruel when a mountain lion gets into
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a pen of sheep and tears them apart?
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: He figured the chances of meeting another gay vegan were
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better in Portland. He's probably right.
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Speaker 2: Probably not wrong.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably a good bet. Solid bet.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Jesus.
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Speaker 2: He was sitting there going, Midland, Texas, Portland, Oregon, where
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am I?
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Speaker 1: Where's my best chance to go be a vegan? Go
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to Portland and take some medication. Just fucking have a
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good time. There he is.
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Speaker 2: There we go.
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Speaker 1: Hey, fella.
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Speaker 2: He's already gotten too much attention from us.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's there's a lot of silly people in the world. And,
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you know, like we were talking about with young people,
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if you get young people indoctrinated early enough to think
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these silly ideas make sense, which is one of the
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reasons why I love that Kevin Costner moment on your
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show when he had explained to that vegan lady.
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 1: It's such a good moment.
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Speaker 2: How cute does it have to be before you care
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if it lives?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And what the actual like what life gets killed is.
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When you're just talking about farming, just food.
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Speaker 2: Plowing a field.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Just plowing a field.
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Speaker 2: Or go build a road.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: You don't want to destroy some fucking organisms. Go build
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a road. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And if you're riding on those roads, you're in that system.
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And then there's the bees. Like the amount of bees
17:40
that die every year so we could have avocados is bananas.
17:43
Speaker 2: Yeah. Bring them in from Brazil. By the billions.
17:47
Speaker 1: By the billions.
17:48
Speaker 2: By the bee.
17:48
Speaker 1: And they die. Bees and then on top of the–
17:52
so it's avocados and almonds. Those are the two big ones, right?
17:55
Speaker 2: Yeah. Almonds, you know what's fascinating? And I'm going to–
17:58
we can look it up. Almonds, the amount– it's something
18:03
like 19 gallons of water is what you have to
18:07
give to get one almond.
18:13
Speaker 1: Is that real?
18:13
Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. We can– Yeah, it's fucking bananas.
18:18
Speaker 1: My doctor told me almonds aren't even good for you. Well,
18:21
you know, it's... He said they're okay for you.
18:23
Speaker 2: He said, but, you know, there's... There was a time
18:26
in the Mediterranean where they were, they were poisonous. They
18:28
have strychnine in them. And it's one of the first
18:31
domesticated plants. And what people realized, whoever, Homo sapiens or Neanderthals,
18:36
whoever's wandering around, they're like, the squirrels are eating those
18:40
poisonous nuts from that tree. Huh. They're okay from this one.
18:45
Not okay from that one. So they started cutting down
18:48
and uprooting all the ones where the squirrels wouldn't eat.
18:51
Speaker 1: Oh, interesting.
18:53
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so the almond originally.
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words matter to me. And when we misuse them in
20:35
our society, it just bothers me, right? So all these
20:39
things that we're calling milk, like almond milk.
20:42
Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: And I'm just determined to call it almond juice because
20:46
that's what it fucking is. It's not even- Almond juice.
20:49
It's not like we're extracting.
20:49
Speaker 1: It's almond tea, almost.
20:51
Speaker 2: We're taking almonds, pulverizing them, and brining them in water, essentially,
20:57
leaching out the flavor of the almond and then adding
20:59
a bunch of shit to it and sugar and whatnot.
21:00
Speaker 1: Adding a lot of sugar. My friend Duncan was like, dude,
21:03
almond milk is good for you. I go, you ever
21:04
look at how much sugar is in there? And we
21:06
were on the phone, and he goes, holy shit. I go, yeah, man,
21:09
that's why it tastes good. But my doctor told me
21:13
I had oxalates in my diet, in my blood test.
21:17
He said, your oxalates are kind of high. He goes,
21:19
are you eating almonds? And I said, yeah. I eat
21:22
almonds all the time. He's like, yeah. Cut back. He goes,
21:25
that's where it's from.
21:26
Speaker 2: Really?
21:26
Speaker 1: Yeah. Find out how much oxalates are in almonds. I
21:31
just listened to him. And also, it's a lot of
21:35
that gluten-free flour stuff. If you buy a lot of
21:38
that stuff, it's like almond flour a lot of the times.
21:41
Speaker 2: Right.
21:42
Speaker 1: Almonds are a high oxalate food. Eating them can raise
21:45
oxalate levels that circulate, get filtered by the kidneys, and
21:48
appear in urine, which may increase kidney stone risk in
21:51
susceptible people.
21:52
Speaker 2: Yeah.
21:54
Speaker 1: Almonds contain about 296 milligrams of oxalate per 100 grams,
21:58
roughly 4 milligrams per nut, putting them in the high
22:01
oxalate category.
22:03
Speaker 3: Yeah.
22:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said they're not bad if you just have
22:06
them every now and then. He goes, but don't do
22:08
it on a regular basis.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
22:10
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff that has high oxalates that
22:14
people don't think about. They can really fuck you up. Kale,
22:17
for instance. Like I used to drink kale smoothies all
22:20
the time until another doctor told me you really should
22:23
cook the kale. Cook it and then filter out whatever
22:26
the water's in it. And I go, really?
22:28
Speaker 2: I go, why?
22:29
Speaker 1: He goes, oxalates. He goes, you want to cook the
22:31
oxalates of them.
22:32
Speaker 2: Really?
22:32
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's apparently what causes a lot of kidney stones.
22:35
With some folks, they drink a lot of those green smoothies,
22:38
which I used to do every day. I used to
22:39
take a bunch of kale, throw in a bunch of
22:41
apples and some ginger and some garlic and blend it
22:44
all up and drink at the beginning of the day.
22:45
I thought I was doing a good thing. And he
22:48
was like, you're just blasting your system with oxalates. And
22:51
I was like, oh, all right.
22:54
Speaker 2: Have some fucking eggs, bro.
22:55
Speaker 1: He said, have bacon. Have some bacon. I'm like, fucking
22:58
bacon is better for you? My journey of figuring out
23:01
what to eat was a long one. It was a
23:03
long one and thank God I got this podcast because
23:05
if I hadn't had all those conversations with people where
23:08
I realized like, oh, so we're– like now the food
23:11
pyramid is completely flipped, which is hilarious. But it's like
23:14
I've had enough conversations where I realized like, oh, all
23:17
these people don't know what the fuck they're talking about
23:19
and they're giving advice. And it's weird. It's weird how
23:23
much bad advice there is for food and for health
23:26
and for– Fucking fill in the blank. Almost everything in
23:29
our society.
23:30
Speaker 2: Our food pyramid was created by Johnson & Johnson. Yeah.
23:32
Or Kellogg's, which is Johnson & Johnson. Kellogg's, one of those. Yeah.
23:35
It's like, how do we get people to eat our
23:37
shit in the morning and then again at lunch? And then, well,
23:40
the one thing that we can't control, and they talk
23:42
about the one thing that we do not have is
23:47
this massive industrialized meat production because there's no economical way
23:53
to do it. They'd do it if they could. Harris Ranch,
23:55
which you've probably seen off I-5 in California is the
24:00
closest version of that. But what it is is a
24:02
feed yard, right, where you get them together and feed
24:05
cattle for 90 to 150 days before you go send
24:09
them off and slaughter them, right? That's the closest thing
24:12
there is to an industrialized beef industry because it's a
24:18
very inefficient way. It's way better to farm.
24:22
Speaker 1: Right?
24:22
Speaker 2: It's more efficient to farm than it is grazed cattle.
24:24
So you only want to graze cattle somewhere that you
24:26
can't farm at the end of the day. You want
24:29
to graze cattle are great at taking protein from poor
24:32
protein sources and metabolizing it, right? So you graze them
24:36
in real rocky terrain with native grasses that, that you
24:40
can't farm, can't till it, just can't. Um, and it
24:44
needs to be eaten by something or weeds will overtake it, right?
24:48
Cause grasses, grass grows better when it's being grazed. Um,
24:52
And so there's no way to industrialize that or centralize it.
24:56
The most centralized it is is at the packing house, right,
24:59
where you've got four packing– major packing houses that control
25:03
90-something percent of the beef industry. And that's starting to change.
25:07
COVID was extremely helpful for the smaller farmer and rancher
25:10
to sit there and get their product out, right, and
25:13
find small– they start popping up. People have opened these
25:16
USDA facilities that don't process 800 head of cattle per
25:21
An hour, they maybe do 50 or 50 a day.
25:26
And now people can go there because they're a USDA facility.
25:29
They can buy beef directly from them, buy it from
25:32
the rancher, right? And you can control where your food's
25:35
coming from, as opposed to what was happening, where you'd
25:41
get a bunch of, if you're going to go get
25:42
a burger, you're eating some Australian killer bowl, right? For
25:46
the most part, or something from Brazil, or you're not
25:50
eating something that you want to eat, right? When you
25:55
go to a nice steakhouse, the steaks there, they're going
26:01
to come from most likely Texas, Iowa, Nebraska, Montana. There's
26:08
select areas where people are spending that kind of attention
26:11
and time to raise that kind of quality of beef, right?
26:15
And it's being done by smaller ranchers. It may be
26:17
a big ranch, but it's still operated by relatively few people.
26:21
You know, four sixes is 300,000 acres, but there's 12 cowboys.
26:27
Speaker 1: Wow, 12 cowboys for 300,000 acres is nuts. Yeah. How
26:31
do they keep track of everything?
26:32
Speaker 2: I mean, we break it down into pastures, and then
26:36
you have, and then the pastures fall under, the terminology
26:39
is this. Let's say, oh, if you're in Guthrie, there's
26:43
a camp, and we call it South Camp because it's
26:47
in the south, and it's responsible for 50,000 acres. It
26:52
was just broken down into multiple pastures that are between 7,000
26:55
and 10,000 acres. There's one big pasture in that camp
26:59
that's like 14,000 acres. And so then you have North Camp.
27:04
You have what we call– then we have camps around
27:09
the town, a little town at Guthrie. So you break
27:11
it down into the responsibility of each cowboy's somewhere between 35,000
27:15
and 50,000 acres.
27:16
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow. That's a hell of a responsibility.
27:23
Speaker 2: Yeah.
27:23
Speaker 1: That's a lot of work, man. That's a lot of work.
27:25
You know what's really interesting about your shows, particularly Yellowstone,
27:28
it got people like really attracted to the idea of
27:32
brutal hard work as being romantic.
27:35
Speaker 3: Yeah.
27:36
Speaker 1: You know, people like really identified with those guys on
27:39
Yellowstone that were just like so dedicated to that ranch,
27:43
so dedicated to busting their ass and working all day
27:47
hard fucking work and then just– hanging out together afterwards
27:51
and there's something about that life that's so simplistic and
27:54
romantic to people that it just really resonated with so
27:57
many people they didn't even know that they liked that.
28:00
Speaker 2: Well it's it's uniquely American right and and the amount
28:04
of freedom that is so we move somebody out to
28:08
South Camp and we.
28:09
Speaker 4: Go okay so here you are there's your house at
28:11
South Camp see you in a week or so.
28:16
Speaker 2: Go figure shit out Keep track of the cattle. And
28:20
you give them a string of horses and they work
28:22
their horses and they ride that property. They know every
28:25
inch of it. And you don't ever– we don't have
28:28
weekly corporate meetings.
28:30
Speaker 1: How do they get supplies? Is the house stocked in advance?
28:33
Speaker 2: Yeah. They go to town. Towns, which is an endeavor, right?
28:38
Town's 90 miles away. So you go to town once
28:41
a week, right?
28:43
Speaker 1: Stock up.
28:43
Speaker 2: Stock up. Go back.
28:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's– It's a crazy life.
28:49
Speaker 2: And people– not every– this isn't true of every cowboy.
28:53
There's plenty of cowboys that typically they grow up on
28:55
that ranch, and that's the life that they know, and
28:57
that's what they want to do, right? But they still
29:00
go off to college. Like, almost every one of my
29:04
cowboys has a ranch management degree. Like, they went to school. Wow.
29:09
To study.
29:10
Speaker 1: What's a good school if you want to be a cowboy?
29:13
Speaker 2: I mean, there's quite a few of them, Texas Tech. Yeah.
29:16
I mean, that's a phenomenal ranch management program. A bunch
29:18
of the guys on the sixes went there. TCU has
29:21
a ranch management program, a good one, Texas A & M.
29:25
You know, we have vets that live on the ranch. Obviously,
29:28
we breed a ton of horses. And so our vets,
29:32
Colorado State's an excellent veterinary school for large animal vets. Obviously,
29:35
Texas A & M is a phenomenal school, Texas Tech
29:38
as well. Those are fantastic.
29:40
Speaker 1: How the fuck do you pay attention to everything? You're
29:42
running a gigantic ranch and you have about 48 TV shows.
29:47
How the fuck do you do it? I don't understand it.
29:50
Every time a new Taylor Sheridan show pops up, I
29:52
say to my wife, I go, how the fuck is
29:54
he doing this? Like where does he have this time?
29:57
Speaker 2: Part of it is– If you think about it, so
30:00
my crew, my core crew is the same crew I
30:03
made Wind River with. Like when we had no money.
30:06
I remember one time I'm on the top of a
30:09
mountain with me and my first AD and my DP,
30:13
Ben Richardson. And there's not a producer. We haven't seen
30:16
anybody in a week. And I looked at, we're freezing
30:19
our asses off at seven below zero in northern Utah.
30:22
And I'm like, guys, you know, we could just fuck
30:24
off to Hawaii and nobody would know for a while. Yeah.
30:29
We have their money and they don't know. They don't
30:32
actually know where we are. They're just trusting that we're
30:35
going to make this movie, which we did. And it
30:38
was incredibly difficult, but that's the same team that went
30:40
over and did Yellowstone, which is then the same team
30:43
that went up and did Mayor of Kingstown with me.
30:46
And then 1883, 23, Lioness, Landman.
30:50
Speaker 1: All of them.
30:51
Speaker 2: And we've promoted from within. I've got PAs that are
30:55
now first ADs. I've got, camera operators that are now directors.
31:00
So we've promoted from within, so everyone understands the way
31:02
we do it. And it's so frigging efficient. We don't
31:05
ever have, and you know, because you've been in this
31:07
industry forever, these people will have meetings upon meeting upon meeting.
31:12
They'll have a tone meeting where a whole bunch of
31:16
people are going to sit around and try and talk
31:17
about the tone of the script. What, didn't you read
31:20
the fucking thing? We have to have a meeting about it?
31:25
How about we don't have a meeting about it? And
31:26
then they'll have a– and this is also networks. They
31:30
love this shit so that they can have a reason
31:32
for their existence, right? All these middle management people. And
31:35
they want to do a prop show and tell where
31:37
someone's going to come show them all the props that
31:39
we're going to use.
31:41
Speaker 1: Really?
31:41
Speaker 2: Well, we don't do that shit because I'm like, I
31:43
need your permission to use which Bic lighter I'm going
31:46
to use in this fucking scene. How about I just
31:48
make the decision? And how about we use the same
31:53
Bic lighter– In all these fucking shows and I don't
31:55
ever have to pick a Bic lighter again. How about that?
31:58
So we just streamlined it and made it to where
32:00
it's so efficient. Typically a TV show will start up
32:04
and they'll prep for 12 weeks before they start filming.
32:08
We do it in four.
32:10
Speaker 1: Wow. Well, that makes sense. It makes sense that it's
32:13
streamlined because I've been on shows when they first start
32:16
out and it's chaos and there's a lot of network
32:19
involvement and there's a lot of bullshit. But then once
32:21
it gets going, they go, oh, you guys know.
32:23
Speaker 2: What you're doing.
32:23
Speaker 1: Yeah. Leave me alone.
32:24
Speaker 2: Yeah.
32:25
Speaker 1: Yeah.
32:25
Speaker 2: We're there from the beginning now.
32:27
Speaker 1: That's beautiful.
32:28
Speaker 2: We haven't missed. You don't miss.
32:29
Speaker 1: Right. Well, it's like you don't miss. Like, you don't
32:32
miss with the writing. You don't miss with the storylines. Like,
32:35
you don't have any duds, man, which is just incredible.
32:38
It's an incredible accomplishment to have that many fucking shows
32:41
and all of them be good. And all of them be,
32:44
you know, like very addictive. You know, Landman is so addictive.
32:49
Speaker 2: It's that show. It's about something very serious and then
32:53
I can just throw shit at it.
32:55
Speaker 1: Yeah.
32:55
Speaker 2: Let's just take a bunch of old people to a
32:57
strip club.
32:57
Speaker 1: Billy Bob is fucking awesome.
32:59
Speaker 2: He's a genius.
32:59
Speaker 1: I love that guy. He's so good on that show.
33:02
It's like it was made for him.
33:03
Speaker 2: It was made for him.
33:04
Speaker 1: I mean, he's done so many things.
33:05
Speaker 2: I went to Billy Bob before I wrote a word
33:11
and I told him, I said, if you don't do this,
33:12
I'm not going to do it because I'm not going
33:14
to chase my tail. He goes, well, what is it?
33:15
I said, I want to do, I said, basically, I
33:18
want to take your character from Bad Santa and Put
33:20
him in West Texas and run an oil company. He goes,
33:23
you want the guy from Bad Santa to run an
33:24
oil company? I said, that's what I want. He goes,
33:26
that sounds fucking awesome.
33:29
Speaker 1: Well, it's educational, too. I mean, a lot of people
33:33
have no idea how the oil business works. And you
33:36
watch that show, you go, Jesus Christ, what a crazy job.
33:40
Speaker 2: It's an insane job. And the other thing about it
33:44
is we're so completely dependent upon petroleum. in every single
33:49
aspect of our lives, so completely dependent upon it. And
33:53
we can debate how bad it is or isn't and, and,
33:56
or not debate it. The reality is we don't have
33:58
an alternative. Like it does not exist. It simply doesn't exist.
34:03
And we could sit there and say, well, when did this? No,
34:06
you sit down with any climatologist and any engineer, they're
34:09
going to tell you our best hope for a replacement
34:11
of petroleum fuels is cold fusion. And we're 30, 40
34:16
years from it. being something that we can rely upon
34:20
and reduce little nuclear reactors, like itty bitties, like the
34:24
size of this coffee pot.
34:25
Speaker 1: That's what they're talking about. They're talking about like individual
34:27
reactors that people have in their homes. I'm like, how
34:30
long does it take before there's disasters? That sounds fun.
34:35
Having a really good nuclear power plant for a city
34:37
is an awesome idea. Having everyone have their own nuclear
34:41
power plant sounds fucking crazy. How many assholes are going
34:45
to cut into that thing?
34:46
Speaker 2: Well, people still put fucking metal in microwaves. So I
34:49
don't think we should be giving— I've done it. I'm like, well,
34:52
how bad can it really be?
34:53
Speaker 1: There's people that leave their fucking gas on so that
34:56
someone can die.
34:56
Speaker 2: In the house. No, we don't need— People are nuts.
35:00
Speaker 1: People are nuts. If you literally have consumer-level nuclear power plants,
35:06
not with these monkeys, not with the human beings that
35:08
we are today, our current form, we're not enlightened enough
35:12
to have— Personal nuclear power plants in our house. Oh, fuck.
35:18
Speaker 2: Yeah. So we're dependent upon it. That's why we're in
35:21
Iran right now. Oh, yeah.
35:24
Speaker 1: Also because of Israel. But, I mean, we're in Iran.
35:27
I mean, the whole thing about it is the oil.
35:30
The Strait of Hormuz, it's like I think it's 40%
35:32
of the world's oil supply passes through there.
35:35
Speaker 2: Yeah.
35:36
Speaker 3: Christ.
35:37
Speaker 2: No, that's– and I think also China. Mm-hmm. It's a
35:43
big play against... It's a chess piece against China.
35:46
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
35:47
Speaker 2: That's what I think.
35:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, all of it's fucking terrifying.
35:50
Speaker 2: What a... And I'm not saying we should have or
35:54
we shouldn't have. I'm not commenting politically. But what those guys,
36:00
those SF guys did in Venezuela was fucking gangster.
36:05
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
36:05
Speaker 2: Whether... I'm not saying they should or shouldn't. I'm just saying. Right.
36:09
The team was sent and... Then the team, I mean,
36:13
can you imagine if I wrote it in a movie,
36:15
people will go, that's fucking ridiculous, Taylor.
36:17
Speaker 1: Right. We don't have that tech yet.
36:18
Speaker 2: You're going to fly a bunch of SF dudes, drop
36:20
them off on the roof of this high rise surrounded
36:22
by the fucking Cuban special forces. And they're going to
36:25
kill all of them. And then they're going to fucking
36:27
snatch him and his wife, go back to the roof
36:30
and just fucking fly away. That's what they did.
36:34
Speaker 1: And they're going to do it with sound. They're going
36:36
to disable everyone with a sound weapon. Like what? Do
36:40
you remember when they first started talking about that Havana syndrome? Yeah.
36:43
People were dismissing it. This is horseshit. This is bullshit.
36:46
Speaker 2: Yeah.
36:46
Speaker 1: Like, no, they're talking about people that are in Havana.
36:49
They've been targeted. Something zapped them.
36:52
Speaker 2: Low-level frequencies that made them nauseous.
36:54
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think that is a fraction of whatever
36:56
they unleashed in Venezuela.
36:58
Speaker 2: Who knows?
36:59
Speaker 1: The discombobulator. That's what it's called. Classified secret weapon system.
37:04
President Donald Trump claimed U.S. forces used during the January
37:08
3rd operation to capture Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro. He stated
37:12
that the weapon successfully disabled enemy equipment and air defenses,
37:16
preventing them from firing back. So it's both. It disables
37:21
the people and it disables their weapon system.
37:25
Speaker 3: What?
37:25
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
37:26
Speaker 1: What the fuck are we doing? Official silence when asked
37:29
for specific technical or operational details about how the device functions.
37:33
Trump famously told New York Post, I'm not allowed to
37:36
talk about it. He says they press buttons. They claim
37:41
the defense forces press buttons and nothing worked, disabling both
37:44
Russian and Chinese made rockets and radar. If weapon affected
37:51
both mechanical equipment and personnel, he also referred to it.
37:55
He also referred to a sonic weapon being used. against
37:58
Maduro's Cuban security detail inside a heavily fortified fortress. Fucking A, man.
38:05
I would love to see what that looks like. You know,
38:08
I bet they have video, too.
38:09
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure.
38:10
Speaker 1: Yeah.
38:11
Speaker 2: All wearing GoPros.
38:12
Speaker 1: I'd love to go into a skiff. Just show me
38:13
the video. I won't say no. I want to see
38:15
what it looks like. I just want to watch. What
38:17
does it look like when somebody gets zapped by sound
38:19
and gets fully disabled? Like, apparently they just fell to
38:22
the ground in agony. They couldn't move. Yeah. And they
38:25
just went in and shot everybody.
38:26
Speaker 2: And then some freaking SF snipers were just freaking on
38:29
top of that, just raining down on them. Crazy.
38:32
Speaker 1: Like that guy thought he was safe. Crazy. And there's
38:35
a famous video of him saying, come and get me. Oh, yeah. Bro.
38:39
Speaker 2: Be careful. What bear you poke.
38:42
Speaker 1: Also, it's like none of us know what the tip
38:46
of the spear technology in weapon systems is available right now.
38:50
We don't know. They don't tell us. They don't tell us. Obviously,
38:53
no one knew this fucking discombobulator thing existed. No. This
38:57
is science fiction.
38:58
Speaker 2: Yeah.
38:58
Speaker 1: Right? If this was 20 years ago, you'd be like,
39:00
that's not a real thing. But now you're like, oh, shit,
39:03
they used it? And not just a concept, they fucking
39:06
used it? What are they cooking out in the desert
39:09
in the middle of Nevada? Who knows?
39:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, think about this. For that to be used, there's
39:15
something four generations past that.
39:17
Speaker 1: 100%. That they're playing with now. Yeah, 100%. You know,
39:21
this whole UAP world stuff, like when they start talking
39:27
about UAPs, all of my bullshit alarms go off. All
39:30
of them. It's like, I don't believe if you knew
39:33
things you would tell us. So I don't believe you're
39:36
telling us the truth. I think they have some special
39:40
access programs that they've been working on for decades and
39:44
decades and some super high level shit. That involves some
39:49
sort of novel propulsion system and they have that stuff
39:53
flying around in the sky. And I think that's what
39:55
a lot of people are saying. That's what a lot
39:57
of people are saying. That doesn't discount the idea that
39:59
there's something else out there because I think there is.
40:02
But I think there's a giant chunk of the shit
40:04
that people are seeing that's ours. Yeah.
40:06
Speaker 2: Testing.
40:07
Speaker 1: Yeah. Testing, doing stuff with it.
40:09
Speaker 2: If there was an intelligent life form that had stumbled
40:12
upon our barbaric asses, why would they not go, hey, guys?
40:17
Fire up that fucking missile and take– we found this
40:19
blue planet. We got to get rid of this thing.
40:21
Speaker 1: Well, I think maybe every intelligent species that's tribal and
40:26
territorial has to go through an adolescent period of their evolution.
40:30
And if you look at human history, I was reading
40:34
about Vlad the Impaler last night. Jesus Christ. How many
40:38
of the Ottoman Turks that got killed and his famous
40:41
methods of putting people on posts online. And separating them
40:46
down the line on the road so that as these
40:48
poor guys are traveling to go and fight him, they
40:51
just see the enemy stuck on skewers and in geometric
40:55
patterns and shit. He would do them in like stars
40:57
and stuff. He was a vicious motherfucker. And he's the
41:00
motivation behind or the inspiration behind Dracula.
41:04
Speaker 3: Yeah.
41:05
Speaker 1: And I was reading about that guy. I'm like, fuck,
41:07
people have always been awful. They've always been awful. But
41:11
they just like– as time goes on, they get a
41:14
little less awful. A little less. Like we're a little
41:17
less awful now than we were during Nazi Germany. Not
41:21
totally great.
41:23
Speaker 2: Not collectively. Right.
41:24
Speaker 1: Certain– We're still willing to do genocide. Some of us are.
41:27
But it's less approved. It's less– more people are horrified
41:33
at it. It's like human beings are getting a little
41:35
bit better. It's not as quick as we'd like. I
41:38
think if I was in alien life form, I would
41:41
say you have to wait this out. It's like if
41:43
you have a kid, you got to let the kid
41:45
fall down and stumble. You got to let him get hurt.
41:47
You got to let things happen. You got to let
41:49
him fuck up and figure it out himself. You got
41:52
to figure this out. Make it right. You fucked this up.
41:54
You got to give them a chance to become better.
41:57
I think as a civilization, I would think the same
41:59
thing would apply. You have to give this civilization time
42:02
to evolve and adapt and get past where it's at
42:06
right now. And I don't think that you do that
42:08
by intervening and like grabbing us by the hand and
42:11
showing us the way. I think what you do is
42:14
you hang back and make sure that we don't nuke
42:16
each other and just sort of pay attention to all
42:21
the different international ongoings. And just let human beings slowly
42:26
but surely evolve. That's what I would do if I
42:29
was an intelligent life form observing people.
42:32
Speaker 2: The interesting thing that we're, as a civilization, facing now,
42:37
and it's always happened in some capacity when a society
42:40
gets wealthy, really wealthy, and people start to question wealth
42:46
and how can we be more equitable. And it comes
42:49
across like compassion, but it really comes down to a
42:51
debate of what is more valuable to a society? Is
42:55
self-determination more valuable or is equity more valuable? And by equity,
43:01
what I mean is everyone gets exactly the same shit. Everyone.
43:06
So you take them off them. We're not on a
43:08
monetary society anymore. Now you're working for the collective and
43:12
you're hearing that word thrown around a lot these days.
43:15
The problem with working for the collective is who decides
43:19
who picks up the trash and who decides who gets
43:22
to go represent your nation at the Olympics. Who gets
43:27
to decide who gets to, um, is someone going to
43:31
let me go make TV shows, which by the way,
43:34
I wouldn't do for free. It's too fucking hard.
43:36
Speaker 1: Right.
43:36
Speaker 2: Um, so now I don't want to do it. Well,
43:39
then you got to go do this. Well, I don't
43:40
want to do that either. And that's the problem.
43:43
Speaker 1: And then they force you to do things.
43:44
Speaker 2: Yeah.
43:44
Speaker 1: And then how do they do that?
43:45
Speaker 2: And so then, yeah. So then, so, so the, you
43:50
either have self-determination or in your attempts to be, collective,
43:55
you have to surrender that. And then you're surrendering it
43:57
to who? And now you have a dictatorship no matter
44:01
what the fuck you thought you had. It always comes
44:03
back to that. You can look at Marxism and Leninism
44:09
and what Lenin was talking about, his hopes, whether they
44:13
were his hopes or not. But it devolved into an
44:18
authoritarian regime very, very quickly. And, you know, Communism, socialism, fascism, Nazism,
44:26
they're all very, very similar. The differences are superficial. I
44:30
think Ayn Rand said that they're just superficial variations between
44:34
the exact same thing, which is the evil of the collective.
44:38
Speaker 1: The evil of the collective and human beings' desire to
44:40
control their people. They love to. And any time you
44:44
give them a chance where they can feel righteous about
44:45
controlling people, they jump at it. And they have an
44:49
opportunity to classify people. There's good people and bad people.
44:53
And the bad people, you can do whatever you want
44:55
to them. They're the other. And that happens with every
44:59
time groups get into power like that and tell you
45:02
what you can and can't do. And you're seeing that
45:05
being embraced shockingly more and more all over the world.
45:10
People are embracing more government power and more government control.
45:14
And it's really crazy. It's really crazy to see.
45:17
Speaker 2: It's unique. I think that Number one, I think in
45:22
30 years when they look back, like we're still suffering
45:26
from a society from COVID, like still. And not so
45:32
much from the disease itself, but from our faith in
45:38
the institutions around us, whether it's government, whether it's the media,
45:42
whether it's pharmaceutical companies. And the way that it was
45:49
manipulated to gain power for a political group. And it
45:55
was effective. And so when something's effective, then people just
45:58
keep doing the same thing until it's no longer effective, right?
46:03
We did that in our military with the wins, hearts,
46:05
and minds, right? So that all comes from Japan, right?
46:09
We're gonna win the hearts and minds of Japanese. Well,
46:11
the Japanese surrendered. Like their emperor, who they looked at
46:14
as a god, he told the people of Japan after,
46:19
we dropped two fricking nuclear bombs on them. Hey, we
46:22
are going to endure the unendurable. We are going to surrender.
46:24
It's the only way that we can salvage our nation.
46:28
So they willfully surrendered. And then our government goes, look
46:32
how great this hearts and minds stuff's working. It's not working.
46:35
It's not working at all. And then they tried it
46:38
in Vietnam. Didn't work. Tried it everywhere else that we've
46:41
had a conflict. We've tried it and it hasn't worked
46:43
yet because what it was based on was flawed, right?
46:47
Because they, they, chose to be subjugated at that time.
46:51
And making that choice kept them an independent nation. So
46:55
our government, and it's so dangerous what we're seeing. You
47:02
can like Trump or not like Trump. People are going
47:07
to like presidents and dislike presidents. But now defying the
47:13
rule of law because he happens to be the head
47:18
of the federal government and openly defying the federal government,
47:21
the repercussions of that are going to be, okay, fine. You,
47:25
you can't stand this man. You think he's a terrible
47:27
president and you're not going to follow his laws, but
47:30
that's the new normal now. So when a president gets
47:33
in that you do support, then the other side, because
47:36
we've established this precedent, they're just not going to follow
47:38
his laws either. Right. And now we've eroded the rule
47:41
of law. And, and then, then what happens?
47:45
Speaker 1: The slippery slope is very dangerous. I mean I was
47:49
saying that when the ICE raids were going on because
47:51
I was like, OK, I am not in favor of
47:55
illegal criminals being in this country. However, we're setting a
47:59
very alarming precedent where you have masked, militarized police with
48:06
no ID that are running around the cities snatching people up.
48:12
Like this– This could set a precedent that could be
48:15
used by the left if they get into power for
48:18
something different than this being– than just for ICE. We've
48:21
already accepted the idea of militarized police on our streets
48:25
and that people with seven weeks training, you're just sending
48:28
them out to snatch up people. And a lot of
48:31
American citizens are getting caught up in that trap too, unfortunately,
48:35
and then they have to get released. Like that could
48:39
be bad if– If the next party gets in. So
48:43
if the Democrats get in next and they decide like
48:46
maybe there's a new a new covid strain happens, some
48:50
new pandemic happens, whatever the fuck.
48:53
Speaker 2: And if you don't get the vaccine, they're going to
48:54
arrest you. And then they start the same.
48:56
Speaker 1: Yes, we saw it in I think it was Minnesota
48:59
or whoever. They had the National Guard on the streets,
49:01
but they had people enforcing lockdowns. And so they had
49:05
people walking on the streets with fucking guns, yelling at
49:08
people to get in your house over a cold. Like,
49:12
these kind of slippery slopes, you might think, no, we're
49:15
just trying to get rid of the bad immigrants. I
49:18
get it. I'm with you. i agree however the way
49:22
they're doing it doing it i don't know i'm not
49:25
even saying there's another way or a better way i'm
49:28
just saying you want to get them out all at
49:29
once yeah that's the way to do it you want
49:31
to get them out quick that's the way to do
49:33
it because they got them in quick you're right they
49:35
open the fucking border they help people get in But
49:38
now that they're in, if you're going to get them
49:40
out that way, you're setting a weird precedent. You're setting
49:44
a precedent that could be used in other ways.
49:48
Speaker 2: The challenge is, okay, we need to enforce the law
49:54
or don't have them. They've enacted no new laws. These
49:57
are the same immigration laws that were on the books
49:59
when Obama was president and Clinton was president. The same rules.
50:03
It's the methodology.
50:05
Speaker 1: Right.
50:06
Speaker 2: And you got to sit there and weigh the pros
50:12
and cons about, OK, the pros of trying to eradicate
50:15
this issue. You can't give it a deadline. Yeah. Right.
50:20
It's slippery.
50:21
Speaker 1: It is slippery.
50:22
Speaker 2: And again, it's what's good for the goose is good
50:25
for the gander. And these politicians right now who are
50:29
doing all of us a tremendous disservice in Washington, I feel,
50:32
are elected officials because– They're not thinking beyond this next
50:39
election and maybe they never have.
50:41
Speaker 1: They never have.
50:42
Speaker 2: Right. But they were better at hiding it maybe.
50:44
Speaker 1: I think there's no internet.
50:45
Speaker 2: But– well, true.
50:46
Speaker 1: I think that's what it is. There was no social media.
50:48
Speaker 2: But I think we've reached a point as they– as
50:51
politicians talk about eliminating the electoral college. They talk about
50:55
eliminating the filibuster, eliminate packing courts, all these things because
50:59
their side is not in power. And so we're just
51:01
going to take the structure of the government and totally
51:03
rework it to benefit us temporarily. But then those same
51:07
benefits that you have now will be used against you.
51:10
They will 100 percent be used against you. I think
51:14
the most important legislation that we can pass right now
51:17
is term limits. I think I think 12 years tops
51:22
in Congress and I think probably 12 years in the
51:25
Senate to six year terms in the Senate.
51:28
Speaker 1: That's more than enough time. Yeah, that's a lot of
51:30
fucking time.
51:31
Speaker 2: That's enough. We don't we don't need any anyone else.
51:34
I mean, I don't know how it's become How the
51:36
fuck is Nancy Pelosi worth $ 400 million? How the fuck? Well,
51:40
I know how. Yeah, she gets in on all these
51:42
fucking IPOs.
51:43
Speaker 1: Exactly.
51:43
Speaker 2: Right. She's going to pass the legislation that allows Visa
51:47
to go public. And then she's going to get a
51:49
big chunk of it. And then when she's confronted about it.
51:52
Look a reporter dead in the eye and fucking lie
51:54
to him. I don't know what you're talking about. I
51:55
didn't do that.
51:56
Speaker 1: No consequences.
51:56
Speaker 2: We know you did it. We could look at how
51:58
much stock you own.
51:59
Speaker 1: Yeah.
52:00
Speaker 2: Fucking liar.
52:00
Speaker 1: They all do it.
52:01
Speaker 2: Yes.
52:02
Speaker 1: People are calling out Ro Khanna on Twitter today. They
52:04
get fucking rich. Everyone's getting rich. Yeah.
52:06
Speaker 2: They get paid $ 175, 000 a year and they're all fucking millionaires.
52:09
Speaker 1: Super millionaires. They're all like, she's intensely wealthy. That's almost
52:14
a half a billion dollars. That's nuts. As a public servant.
52:17
That's nuts. Yeah.
52:19
Speaker 2: It's insanity.
52:20
Speaker 1: And it's, you know, that's what we're used to. We're
52:24
just we just we know it's bad and we just
52:27
accept it. And people are busy and they have families
52:30
and mortgages and shit to deal with. And so they
52:32
complained and they keep on trucking.
52:35
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I have, as we discussed, I have
52:37
other jobs. I don't have a pile of time to
52:40
dedicate to gets tough for me to talk. politics because
52:44
i don't have hours in my day to sift through
52:46
what's real and not real on instagram or social whatever
52:49
i'm not on that shit but but i can't it's
52:52
hard to form an opinion because man i don't know
52:54
and i don't know where to go to get honest
52:56
news i'm not the news i know that i can't
52:59
turn on the fucking news because they've fucking been lying
53:02
to us they they stopped being i don't know if
53:07
they were ever impartial but but i know i know
53:10
that um I remember there was a guy– I was
53:16
a kid. He was running for president. His name was
53:18
Jack Kemp.
53:20
Speaker 1: I remember Jack Kemp.
53:21
Speaker 2: And I want to say it was Dan Rather. It
53:24
may not have been. It may have been some other newscaster.
53:28
And there's a debate amongst all these different potential candidates
53:32
for president. And as he's introducing all of these– various politicians.
53:39
He's saying so-and-so Harvard graduate and law professor from here
53:42
and this former Senator and this and that and the other,
53:44
and this person here, and they get to Jack Kemp
53:47
and he goes back up quarterback and born again, Christian
53:50
Jack Kemp. I'm like, wow, you just sunk that dude.
53:55
Everyone else you gave what their jobs were and, and
53:58
talked about their accomplishments of this. You just said he
54:00
didn't start at quarterback and he's, you call that as religion, dude.
54:04
And that's the first time I ever remember I'm like,
54:07
I know your opinion. I'm not supposed to know your opinion.
54:11
You're supposed to be giving me news. You're supposed to
54:14
be giving me honest, unbiased information so I can make
54:18
a decision. And you're making a decision for me, or
54:20
trying to. And they've gotten so, as news became entertainment,
54:24
I mean, CNN's the worst thing that ever happened to
54:26
news because it's 24 hours. And now all of a sudden,
54:29
there's not 24 hours worth of news all the time, right?
54:32
There is during a war, right? You can show us
54:35
war footage the whole time and talk about the war
54:37
and why war and why no war. But when there's not,
54:40
you got to make some shit up or push an opinion.
54:42
And that's where we've gotten with news now. Now it's
54:46
news is piss them off and scare the shit out
54:49
of them.
54:50
Speaker 1: Yeah.
54:50
Speaker 2: That's how we keep them watching.
54:51
Speaker 1: And that's the business model.
54:53
Speaker 2: It is now.
54:54
Speaker 1: And it's also piss them off and scare the shit
54:56
out of them, but ignore certain things that your sponsors
55:00
wouldn't like you to talk about. Oh yeah. This is why,
55:03
you know, Tulsi Gabbard and her final act, As director
55:08
of national intelligence as she's leaving, she had that– she
55:12
gave that press conference about Fauci. And she talked about
55:15
how he lied in front of Congress and that he
55:18
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55:23
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56:24
Speaker 2: No. And by the way, didn't we all know that already?
56:28
Speaker 1: Well, we knew it, but my parents didn't. People that
56:32
just like just read the newspapers and watch TV. They
56:36
don't know.
56:38
Speaker 2: I've never seen anything as flagrantly obvious as as covid
56:45
coming from the Wuhan lab studying covid.
56:48
Speaker 1: Right.
56:48
Speaker 2: Right. I've never. You've got fucking news anchors keeping a
56:53
straight face saying it came from the wet market.
56:56
Speaker 1: Did you ever see Jon Stewart's bit on it that
56:58
he did on The Colbert Show?
56:59
Speaker 3: No.
56:59
Speaker 1: You never saw it? No. Oh, we need to play it.
57:01
Let's play it because it's so funny because Colbert tries
57:04
to like stop him from doing it and push back.
57:06
And Jon, he's a great comic. He just gets up
57:09
from his chair and gets louder and just plows through it. Really?
57:13
Over Colbert's like trying to cock block his bit. It's
57:17
like it's a funny bit. And he's getting in the way. Oh,
57:19
I'd like to see. If you have information on that,
57:21
I'd like to see it. And he just keeps going.
57:23
He keeps plowing away. It's very funny. And it's in
57:26
the middle of it, right? This was a courageous step
57:29
because he was doing this when calling it out and
57:32
saying that it came from a lab in Wuhan, China
57:35
was somehow or another conflated with racism. Remember that? Yeah.
57:40
If you said it came from Wuhan, China from a lab,
57:43
you're a racist.
57:44
Speaker 2: Yeah.
57:44
Speaker 1: Like how did you pull that off? Like how did–
57:48
Don't say anything. It's racist. It's from fucking China. And
57:52
it seems like EcoHealth Alliance funded it. And it seems
57:55
like we funded EcoHealth Alliance. There's a lot of fucking paperwork.
57:59
Speaker 2: And by the way, there's studies on the fucking disease
58:02
that they've been doing that are posted on the CDC website.
58:06
They're posted on the fucking– my favorite was when you
58:08
catch all this shit about ivermectin. And literally when that happened,
58:13
I went, oh, look that up. Look up ivermectin and
58:17
studies with ivermectin. And a study pops up on the
58:20
CDC website while people are telling us to not take
58:23
that shit. And it talks about the efficacy of ivermectin
58:28
and antiviral properties, specifically COVID-19. Yeah. So it's on the
58:33
government website that the fucking drug works while they're telling
58:39
everyone to not take it.
58:40
Speaker 1: And they're mocking me for taking the horse steam warmer.
58:42
Watch this. This is great.
58:44
Speaker 2: This is great.
58:46
Speaker 1: No, you stop because he still wants to put out
58:49
that establishment position. I'd like to see any evidence if
58:53
you've got any evidence. Yeah. Well, wild times in the
59:01
news because I think from then on, that sort of
59:04
sent a shockwave through the majority of the population where
59:07
just whatever trust they had in the news just got
59:10
severely eroded. And if we don't have good news, if
59:14
we don't have trust in the news, then we're kind
59:16
of adrift. And then you get locked into fucking conspiracy
59:20
theories and echo chambers online and you can get trapped
59:23
in them too and that's not good either.
59:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, then there's nowhere to go get information.
59:29
Speaker 1: Has anybody in NBC, CBS, CNN, have any of those
59:33
people picked up on that Tulsi Gabbard speech about Fauci
59:39
and had any sort of a reaction to it? I'd
59:42
like to know that. Because from what I was reading online,
59:46
none of them had. But this was as of yesterday.
59:49
I don't know whether or not that's changed. I don't
59:52
know if they were preparing an article and they wanted
59:54
to make sure. Did they get all their ducks in
59:56
a row?
59:57
Speaker 2: I would think pretty much any time the head of
1:00:01
an institute is begging for a pardon when he hasn't
1:00:07
been charged with any crime, it's a pretty good indicator
1:00:11
you might want to look and see if there's been
1:00:13
a crime committed.
1:00:13
Speaker 1: Was he begging for a pardon?
1:00:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, Fauci. Fauci was like– he had attorneys. This is
1:00:19
part of that deal. He had attorneys reaching out to
1:00:22
Biden's camp. The last day when he got the pardon.
1:00:26
Speaker 1: Jeez.
1:00:26
Speaker 2: The very last day.
1:00:28
Speaker 1: Jeez. It's just a preemptive pardon is nuts, especially when
1:00:33
Rand Paul is questioning him and he's talking to him
1:00:36
about specifically about what defines gain-of-function research. And by all account,
1:00:42
by every definition, it's gain-of-function research. And Fauci is still saying,
1:00:47
you do not know what you are talking about with
1:00:50
all due respect.
1:00:52
Speaker 2: Even though he's a doctor.
1:00:54
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:00:54
Speaker 2: Grand Paul's a fucking doctor.
1:00:55
Speaker 1: He's an actual doctor.
1:00:56
Speaker 2: And then they say, well, you're an eye doctor. Well,
1:00:58
that's my specialty. But before I became an eye doctor,
1:01:01
I became a general doctor, which means I studied all
1:01:03
the same shit that Fauci studied. You had to go
1:01:06
through medical school before you go pick a specialty. So
1:01:09
four years of studying the entire body before you specialize
1:01:13
in whatever you're going to specialize in.
1:01:15
Speaker 1: Well, it's also then if you read RFK Jr. 's book,
1:01:18
The Real Anthony Fauci, you find out he ran this
1:01:21
exact same playbook during the AIDS pandemic. It was the
1:01:25
exact same playbook. That's what the Dallas Buyers Club is about.
1:01:28
The Dallas Buyers Club, that McConaughey movie about AIDS, the
1:01:32
fucking villain is Anthony Fauci. He's the guy that's stopping
1:01:35
them from getting alternative medications. That's the guy that wanted
1:01:39
everybody to take AZT. You know why? Because AZT had
1:01:42
already been approved. They had already used it as a
1:01:45
cancer medication. It was a chemotherapy medication that they stopped
1:01:48
using because it was too deadly. It was killing people
1:01:50
quicker than cancer was killing them. So the first medication
1:01:53
they gave people when they had an immune system that
1:01:55
was compromised was a chemotherapy medication that was killing people.
1:02:00
And they were giving it to people that were asymptomatic.
1:02:02
They were giving it to people that tested HIV positive.
1:02:05
And then you know about the PCR testing. So the
1:02:08
PCR– Cary Mullis, the guy who invented PCR testing, said
1:02:12
publicly about Fauci, he does not know what the fuck
1:02:14
he's talking about. I don't think he said fuck, but
1:02:16
he does not know what he's talking about. And that
1:02:18
it's not supposed to be used to detect a disease
1:02:21
in a person's body. And that if you ramp up
1:02:23
the cycles long enough, just like they did with COVID,
1:02:26
where we got some, by some estimations, 80% false positives
1:02:31
because of the PCR method, because they were ramping them
1:02:33
up so high. And so they cut it back quite significantly.
1:02:37
And that reduced the amount of false positives they had.
1:02:39
But there's a lot of people that got tested as
1:02:42
HIV positive that probably weren't. And they put those fucking
1:02:46
people on AZT. And AZT kills you.
1:02:51
Speaker 2: Wow.
1:02:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, nuts. Most mainstream outlets are treating it as a
1:02:56
serious but unproven political bombshell. They're reporting that Gabbard alleges
1:03:03
what Gabbard alleges, stressing the documents are disputed and under
1:03:06
review and highlighting how polarized the reaction is. Mainstream print,
1:03:13
Jerusalem Post. Money Control Newsweek summarized her accusations, emphasized that
1:03:18
COVID's origins remain unresolved, and note that the claims about
1:03:21
Fauci sparking COVID or lying under oath are heavily contested,
1:03:26
not yet legally validated. Many stories frame this as reigniting
1:03:30
a long-running fight over lab leak versus natural origin. And
1:03:41
you are saying that there's still a long-running controversy as
1:03:45
to whether it's a lab leak or natural origin. Shut
1:03:48
your fucking dirty whore mouth because it's not. The fight's over.
1:03:54
It's a fucking lab leak. They say the new documents
1:03:57
will need independent scrutiny from Congress, investigators, and scientists before
1:04:02
any firm conclusions can be drawn. Okay. Right-leaning media highlight
1:04:09
her file dump as vindication for critics, focus on the
1:04:12
cover-up narrative, and give prominent space to Republicans like Rand Paul.
1:04:15
Why does a more centrist or mainstream outlet present it
1:04:19
as a straighter news tone, often pairing Gabbard's and GOP's
1:04:23
quotes with Fauci's past denials, and nothing there is so far,
1:04:27
no judicial finding of perjury or criminal conduct?
1:04:30
Speaker 2: What I've never understood is how this became a left
1:04:33
or right issue.
1:04:33
Speaker 1: So stupid.
1:04:35
Speaker 2: When Fauci, who's a career bureaucrat right through i mean
1:04:42
when all this started there was a republican president yep
1:04:45
right and then he's he served that republican president he
1:04:48
served the democratic president before that and before that and
1:04:51
then he served a republican i mean he's been there
1:04:53
for fucking 50 years yeah it's been this dude it's
1:04:57
not political yeah it shouldn't be political there shouldn't be
1:05:00
a right left side to this it's hey a career
1:05:03
bureaucrat fucking lied to.
1:05:05
Speaker 1: Us He used the exact same language when he was
1:05:08
talking about AZT as a medication for HIV that he
1:05:11
used for the COVID vaccine. The reason why it's the
1:05:15
only medication is because it is both safe and effective.
1:05:19
Guy's a monster. He's one of those guys throughout history
1:05:26
where you're going to look back over time and you go,
1:05:28
holy shit, this one guy's lies, this one guy's aspirations,
1:05:32
this one guy's career. Fucked so many people over.
1:05:36
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I don't understand why Democrats would want to
1:05:42
fall on that sword. There's no reason to align.
1:05:44
Speaker 1: Because people are stupid and they just decide that because
1:05:47
a Republican is a president and anything the Republicans are
1:05:51
pushing has to be bad. And that stupid fucking division,
1:05:55
it's so silly. It's so silly. It really is. Because
1:05:59
the same people during Trump's presidency– We're openly saying, are
1:06:04
you going to trust a vaccine that's created under Trump?
1:06:07
They were all saying it. Kamala Harris said it. A
1:06:09
bunch of Joy Reid said it. They all said it.
1:06:13
Speaker 2: And then they bet their entire political livelihoods on it.
1:06:19
Speaker 1: We deserve better. We really do. Or we don't. Maybe
1:06:23
we don't. We fucking think they're good. We're so silly.
1:06:27
Such a fucking silly group of human beings we are.
1:06:30
Speaker 2: That's fucking wild.
1:06:31
Speaker 1: Not all of us, though. You know, I think less
1:06:34
of us now. I think it's going to be way
1:06:37
harder to divide people the way they divided everybody in 2020.
1:06:40
It'll be way harder now. I think most people are
1:06:43
just not buying it. And as long as people wake
1:06:46
up to this left versus right nonsense, it's really just
1:06:49
a big fucking hustle to keep you fighting with each other.
1:06:52
Speaker 2: Oh, for sure.
1:06:52
Speaker 1: Most of it.
1:06:53
Speaker 2: Oh, for sure.
1:06:54
Speaker 1: Most of it. Even the ICE stuff that we were
1:06:56
talking about. Hey, folks, do you think it's a coincidence
1:06:59
that the biggest fucking ICE protests were all going on
1:07:02
in the same place where they found all that fraud?
1:07:05
Did it ever occur to you that these organized, massive
1:07:11
protests were all occurring in the same place where that
1:07:14
Nick Shirley cat found fucking billions of dollars in fraud?
1:07:18
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:07:19
Speaker 1: Shocker. Kind of crazy.
1:07:21
Speaker 2: Didn't they pass? Didn't California pass a law?
1:07:25
Speaker 1: A Nick Shirley law.
1:07:26
Speaker 2: To prevent that, specifically that guy from fucking poking around
1:07:30
in California?
1:07:31
Speaker 1: Yes, yes. I mean, they've even referred to it as
1:07:34
the Nick Shirley law. The idea is to keep people
1:07:37
from investigating fraud, which is outlandish. That is outrageous. That
1:07:42
is a crazy thing to emphasize. And the thing is, well,
1:07:46
these people are showing up at daycares and looking in. Right.
1:07:49
They shouldn't. You're right. 100 percent. And people, random people
1:07:53
from the Internet should not be showing up at daycares
1:07:56
with cameras.
1:07:56
Speaker 2: I agree.
1:07:57
Speaker 1: However, when there's no one in that daycare for years
1:08:03
and years and years and they can prove that fucking
1:08:07
millions of dollars are being earned by that daycare and
1:08:09
there's no one in there, it gets a little weird.
1:08:11
It's not fully passed into law. Not yet.
1:08:15
Speaker 2: Isn't there a video of that kid walking up to
1:08:18
one of these and these dudes get out and drive
1:08:20
off in their fucking Bentleys?
1:08:22
Speaker 1: I don't know if those are real. There's a bunch
1:08:24
of fake videos that were made by people afterwards that
1:08:27
were just capitalizing on people wanting to click on something
1:08:30
like that. And so they were just engagement farming by
1:08:33
pretending like the guy would show up and they'd go,
1:08:36
what are you talking about? I have no idea what
1:08:38
is bad acting. And they get in a Rolls Royce
1:08:41
like it's just bullshit. It seemed like bullshit to me.
1:08:44
I mean I'm sure a bunch of those guys made
1:08:47
a bunch of money and I'm sure there is a
1:08:49
lot of fraud. Just like they're admitting it. Minnesota is
1:08:53
admitting it. They knew it was going on forever. And
1:08:57
then how about the fact that there's certain politicians that
1:09:00
voted against this idea? So one of those ladies that
1:09:04
was killed, like there was a lady and her husband
1:09:07
that were murdered in Minnesota. And she was one of
1:09:12
the few people that voted against providing Medicare for illegals.
1:09:18
They were trying to pass some bill involving Medicare and illegals.
1:09:23
And she was one of the ones that voted against it.
1:09:25
And she was killed. The guy who killed her said
1:09:29
that Tim Waltz sent him to kill them. Now, I
1:09:34
don't know if he's full of shit. He easily could be.
1:09:37
He's a fucking crazy person. He's a murderer. He showed
1:09:39
up at their house with a mask on and fucking
1:09:41
shot them dead and shot a couple other people too.
1:09:43
It's like he's– obviously he's fucking cracked out. But– Kind
1:09:48
of weird. Kind of weird that the lady who wants
1:09:52
to vote against this obvious fraud, this money that's being
1:09:57
somehow or another funneled around through Medicare. Like one of
1:10:00
the things that Elon said when he was on the
1:10:01
podcast is that Medicaid and Medicare fraud is one of
1:10:04
the biggest fucking problems. And he was looking into a doge.
1:10:08
He goes, I almost don't want to talk about it
1:10:10
because I don't want to get killed. He goes, it's
1:10:12
that bad. And this was before all this Nick Shirley shit.
1:10:16
And now you're seeing it and you're like, oh, now
1:10:18
I get it. These hospices that they have, these fake
1:10:21
hospices in California and then these– all the Somali daycare
1:10:26
centers and all the different things. These people just make– autism.
1:10:29
The autism diagnoses just went through the fucking roof because
1:10:33
now they can have these autism centers. So they just
1:10:35
diagnose their kids as autistic and then they're raking in
1:10:38
all this money for treatment. It's crazy how much fraud
1:10:42
there is.
1:10:43
Speaker 2: Hundreds of billions.
1:10:44
Speaker 1: Hundreds of billions of dollars. And just what a shocker
1:10:47
that that's the place where the big ICE protests broke out.
1:10:50
Speaker 2: People forget that when Obama was president, he made a
1:10:54
big public statement about going after government fraud. They were
1:10:58
aware of it then. I mean, they've been aware of it.
1:11:01
It's always taken place. But on the scale and he tried.
1:11:05
And he caught resistance to the point that he wasn't
1:11:08
able to do his version of a doge. Right. Which
1:11:11
was his intention. He gave a big public speech about
1:11:14
it and tried to look into it. And if you're
1:11:20
stealing hundreds of billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars,
1:11:26
what wouldn't you do to protect that?
1:11:27
Speaker 1: Exactly. And that was Elon's point.
1:11:29
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:11:30
Speaker 1: And also that money for sure makes its way into
1:11:33
Democratic coffers. And probably Republican, too. And whoever the fuck
1:11:37
is going to be.
1:11:37
Speaker 2: Whoever's enabling the fraud.
1:11:40
Speaker 1: Who's ever going to help out? Whoever wants a piece
1:11:42
of this pie. It's a juicy-ass pie. It's a $ 100
1:11:45
billion pie. Come get some.
1:11:47
Speaker 2: That'll almost bill you a rail system in California. You
1:11:50
can get a mile of track.
1:11:52
Speaker 1: Or a second cuckoo bridge.
1:11:53
Speaker 2: From the fucking car salesman. Have you had that guy on?
1:11:57
Speaker 1: No, he wants to be on.
1:11:58
Speaker 2: I'm sure.
1:11:58
Speaker 1: He talks a lot of shit about me. At first
1:12:00
he was saying, Joe Rogan's not a fan of me,
1:12:02
but I'm a big fan of him. He was like
1:12:03
saying all this.
1:12:04
Speaker 2: Doesn't he have his own podcast?
1:12:05
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:12:06
Speaker 2: Because that city, that state is running so well. The
1:12:09
governor doesn't need to govern.
1:12:11
Speaker 1: It's so smooth. If you ask him, he'll tell you.
1:12:13
He'll tell you how awesome this state is.
1:12:14
Speaker 2: He'll give you stats. The stats are incredible. Statistically, people
1:12:17
are moving there in record numbers.
1:12:19
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:12:19
Speaker 2: That's not true.
1:12:20
Speaker 1: It's not true. It's all the stats, the positive stats.
1:12:24
They were already going on before he was the governor.
1:12:27
California is an awesome place. The fucking weather is perfect.
1:12:30
San Francisco has always been an incredible tech hub of geniuses.
1:12:34
There's always been a bunch of super wizards up there
1:12:37
that are creating some of the best technology in the world.
1:12:40
And that has nothing to do with him. It has
1:12:42
zero to do with him and all these problems that
1:12:45
their inept government has caused. Because that's the real problem
1:12:49
with him as a governor. It's a real problem with
1:12:52
Karen Bass as a mayor. It's a real problem with
1:12:54
whatever the fuck happened to San Francisco. It's bad government.
1:12:58
It's not upholding the rule of the law, not keeping
1:13:01
people safe, being empathetic to people that are shooting up
1:13:04
on the street over people that are trying to walk
1:13:06
their fucking kids to school. Like what you're doing is
1:13:10
bad for society. It's bad.
1:13:13
Speaker 2: And it seems to me that– For the most part,
1:13:19
for the most part. If you are the mayor of
1:13:21
a city, and when I was writing Yellowstone, the governor
1:13:26
of Montana at the time, who was a Democrat, I
1:13:28
called him and asked him, I said, hey, can I
1:13:31
just talk to you about what it's like to be
1:13:32
a governor? What did you think it would be and
1:13:35
what did it turn out to be? And what he
1:13:37
said was, Steve Bullock is his name. He said, well,
1:13:43
I thought I was going to, you know, make all
1:13:47
these changes and do this and shepherd this. And I
1:13:49
learned that I am the CEO of a state and
1:13:52
that my job as the CEO of the state is
1:13:56
take care of the people who live in the state,
1:13:58
the employees of the state, attract business here, attract tourism here,
1:14:03
and try to make the state make more money and
1:14:06
make lives better. That's my job. Infrastructure and city management
1:14:11
and people management and tourism. That's my job. And To a,
1:14:17
even more acutely to a mayor, you're really the president
1:14:21
of a city or the CEO of the city. And
1:14:22
your job is keep the lights on, pick up the trash,
1:14:26
put out the fires, deal with the sewage, keep it safe.
1:14:30
Like that's it. There's no social anything secondarily possibly, but
1:14:35
run the schools, like run the city. And, and you
1:14:39
have in a lot of these big urban areas where
1:14:41
they're so agenda driven and they're, they're pushing a social agenda.
1:14:46
And they're not running the cities. They're not running them
1:14:49
at all. And so they're running into the ground. And
1:14:53
it's tragic to see because San Francisco, like you said,
1:14:55
it's a beautiful city.
1:14:57
Speaker 3: L.A.
1:14:57
Speaker 2: Used to be a place where you could go and
1:15:00
make your dreams come true.
1:15:02
Speaker 1: San Francisco was awesome 10 years ago, just 10 years ago.
1:15:05
I filmed my special Triggered in the Fillmore in San
1:15:11
Francisco in 2016. It was great. No problems. It was
1:15:15
not homeless people everywhere. It was normal. It was normal
1:15:18
San Francisco. Go to a cool restaurant. People are cool.
1:15:22
Always been like a smart city. Interesting architecture. Always been
1:15:25
a great city. I lived there from the time I
1:15:27
was 7 to 11. Yeah. I loved San Francisco. It's
1:15:31
unrecognizable now. 10 years. That's it. 10 years of fucking
1:15:36
asinine government. And also this homeless thing, when you realize
1:15:43
that it's an industry. The homelessness is valuable. Having homeless
1:15:48
people on the streets is valuable because you can get
1:15:51
more money to deal with this obvious homeless problem. The
1:15:54
more obvious the problem is, the more money they're going
1:15:56
to throw on it. They don't have to fix it.
1:15:58
Speaker 2: Well, there's no intention to fix it.
1:16:00
Speaker 1: Right.
1:16:01
Speaker 2: No incentive. They're giving out free needles here.
1:16:03
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:16:04
Speaker 2: Get high here. And I was just somewhere where my
1:16:10
first experience seeing the homeless in this And the one
1:16:17
thing that's evident instantly is they're all so completely strung
1:16:21
out on drugs. Like this fentanyl thing is no fucking joke.
1:16:25
Like the zombies leaning against every corner. And to me,
1:16:30
it's cruel. Right?
1:16:33
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:16:33
Speaker 2: Like if someone's to that point and you want to
1:16:36
help them, don't give them a fucking iPhone and some
1:16:39
more needles. How about you pick them up off the street?
1:16:43
And you take them somewhere and go, look, there's a
1:16:44
curfew here. And you ain't doing no drugs. We're going
1:16:46
to clean you out. And some aren't going to want that.
1:16:50
They're going to want to go back on the street
1:16:51
and do drugs. And the addiction and the consequences of
1:16:56
drugs that are that. I had surgery. They put me
1:16:59
on fentanyl. I had neck surgery. And they put me
1:17:02
on fentanyl. There's high. Then there's that shit. And that
1:17:05
was done by an anesthesiologist. I wasn't self-medicating in a
1:17:08
fucking parking lot. Right?
1:17:10
Speaker 1: What did you get done to your neck?
1:17:12
Speaker 2: C-67. Fusion? No, no, no, no, no. I had the disc, yeah.
1:17:17
Speaker 1: Just cut some of it down? Yeah. It's okay now?
1:17:19
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:17:20
Speaker 1: How long ago did you get that done?
1:17:23
Speaker 2: Was it maybe three years ago?
1:17:25
Speaker 1: I wish I told you.
1:17:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, three years ago.
1:17:26
Speaker 1: If that ever happens again, don't do that.
1:17:28
Speaker 2: Don't? No. Well, it'll happen again.
1:17:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure it will.
1:17:32
Speaker 2: There's other ways.
1:17:34
Speaker 1: There's PRP can help it. Regenikine helped mine. I had
1:17:38
a pretty bad bulging disc in my neck.
1:17:40
Speaker 2: What's Regenikine?
1:17:41
Speaker 1: Regenikine is– they used to have to go to Germany
1:17:44
to do it. I know Peyton Manning went there. Kobe
1:17:46
Bryant went there. And Dana White actually flew to Germany
1:17:49
to get it done. It is– it's like an advanced
1:17:53
form of platelet-rich plasma where they take your blood. There's
1:17:57
a process to it. Pull it up, Jamie, because I
1:18:00
can't remember what the process is. But– They spin it
1:18:04
in a centrifuge for like 10 hours and then you
1:18:06
come back the next day and they inject it and
1:18:08
it makes this very potent anti-inflammatory and they inject it
1:18:11
around wherever the injury is to the disc. And it
1:18:14
provides like within weeks amazing relief. And for me, it
1:18:19
completely cured it. I had a point where my fingers.
1:18:21
Speaker 2: Were going numb.
1:18:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what– German– go back up. Back to where– yeah.
1:18:28
So German physician, Dr. Peter Welling, the treatment focused on
1:18:31
blocking a specific inflammatory protein, interleukin-1. So they take the
1:18:36
blood out. They draw your blood, and then the blood
1:18:40
is heated to body temperature to trigger the production of
1:18:42
a natural anti-inflammatory protein called IL-1RA. And then they spin
1:18:48
it in a centrifuge. separating out the protein-rich serum. The
1:18:52
serum is then injected directly into the painful joint or tissue. Dude,
1:18:57
it was remarkable for me for knee injuries. I did
1:19:01
it a bunch of times. I used to do it
1:19:02
at– they moved it– You used to have to go
1:19:05
to Germany and then Santa Monica. They opened up an office.
1:19:08
It's lifestyle medicine. That's what it's called, right? And then
1:19:13
that's where I had it done. And it's incredible. Like
1:19:17
I had it done my entire back. Like there's a
1:19:19
picture of me on Instagram with a bunch of these
1:19:22
fucking tubes. That's me right there. A bunch of those
1:19:25
tubes in my hairy ass back. And it was incredible.
1:19:29
I mean it really fixed so many problems that I had.
1:19:34
It's really great for– specifically for back injuries, knee injuries,
1:19:39
stuff like that. There's a lot of good biological options.
1:19:42
There's also decompression is very important. I have a harness
1:19:47
that I attach to a pull-up bar and it straps
1:19:49
under my chin and I just like let my weight
1:19:51
drop down and decompress my weight on my neck. I
1:19:54
do that every day. And I also have this thing
1:19:57
called a Dex-3. Is it Dex-2 or Dex-3? You hang forward.
1:20:02
It's like Teeter makes it, you know, that company that
1:20:04
makes those decompression tables. But this one's even better because
1:20:08
you just hinge from the hip. So you're not supporting
1:20:10
it at all with your legs. And it's just your back.
1:20:13
It just goes like pop, pop, pop. Like you can
1:20:15
feel it.
1:20:15
Speaker 2: I made one of those.
1:20:16
Speaker 1: I'll show it to you. We have one out here.
1:20:17
We have two of them out here actually. Really? Yeah,
1:20:19
in the gym. They're the shit. I have one at home.
1:20:23
I will not not have one. I have to have one.
1:20:26
It's so good for just decompressing your back. But you
1:20:29
need to decompress the neck too. Anytime you're doing anything,
1:20:32
if you're dead lifting or squatting, obviously you're lifting a
1:20:34
lot of heavy weights. Anytime you're lifting weight, you've got
1:20:37
to think all that pressure is on your back, all
1:20:40
that squashing down, and you've got to do something to
1:20:42
stretch it out, stretch it back out. But there's ways
1:20:46
to heal it now without taking away the disc. So
1:20:49
the problem is every time they cut away a piece
1:20:50
of your disc.
1:20:51
Speaker 2: You've got less disc.
1:20:52
Speaker 1: You've got less disc, yeah. So the good news is,
1:20:55
There's some treatments that they're doing now where they're actually
1:20:58
injecting some sort of a hydrogel.
1:21:00
Speaker 2: I've heard about this.
1:21:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, into the disc itself. So I asked Brigham from
1:21:05
Ways to Well about that, and they're looking into it. Apparently,
1:21:08
this is not being done widely yet. This is just experimental.
1:21:14
But they think they're going to be able to do that.
1:21:17
There's also some places like CPI, Cellular Performance Institute down
1:21:21
in Tijuana. They've successfully been injecting stem cells into people's discs,
1:21:27
and it causes the disc to regenerate tissue and get
1:21:30
thicker and healthier.
1:21:32
Speaker 2: Really?
1:21:32
Speaker 1: Yeah. Shane Dorian, my friend, he's a pro surfer and
1:21:37
big wave surfer and bow hunter. He went down there,
1:21:39
and he said it was remarkable. He said within a
1:21:41
couple of months, like a 30% to 40% increase in
1:21:44
range of motion. Really? Decrease in pain. Yeah, you could
1:21:46
feel it. It's kind of an annoying process because once
1:21:49
you do it, You can't really do shit for like
1:21:52
six weeks. I think it's six weeks.
1:21:54
Speaker 2: Well, that's the same with the surgery. You're not doing
1:21:56
shit for six weeks after that.
1:21:57
Speaker 1: But you can't lift weights. You can walk. You can walk.
1:22:01
The whole thing is like let everything take. Like let
1:22:04
it take. Let it heal up. Don't do anything stupid.
1:22:07
Don't re-injure it. Don't aggravate it. Like give it a
1:22:10
chance to actually do its magic.
1:22:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll look into that for sure.
1:22:15
Speaker 1: But any neck injury or back injury, there's such a motherfucker.
1:22:19
Anytime your back goes out, you're like, everything you do
1:22:22
is like, ah. It's so hard to do anything. It's
1:22:25
like you realize how nice it is to be healthy
1:22:28
whenever you get hurt.
1:22:30
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, back pain, that's what killed my stepfather.
1:22:33
Speaker 1: Back pain?
1:22:34
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:22:34
Speaker 1: Did he just get on pills?
1:22:36
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
1:22:37
Speaker 1: I have a friend in the family that did that.
1:22:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was in, I remember one time we were
1:22:41
fishing up in Wyoming and he just, he was like,
1:22:45
I can't do it. Back hurts too bad. And he
1:22:48
went in and had a surgery and made it worse,
1:22:50
which is a real, real risk when you start messing
1:22:56
around with the spine. And so, yeah. And then it was,
1:23:02
you know, those are serious pain. Now we're talking oxy.
1:23:05
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now you're in just agony.
1:23:07
Speaker 2: Now you're on a clock. Yeah.
1:23:09
Speaker 1: And you can only do that shit for so long. Yeah.
1:23:11
Speaker 2: Now you're on a clock.
1:23:12
Speaker 1: Oxys are fucking terrifying. They're so terrifying. Yeah. So terrifying how...
1:23:18
readily they were handing them out too forever yeah do
1:23:22
you ever see painkiller that the peterberg thing that he
1:23:24
did for netflix no i didn't fucking great man so
1:23:28
matthew broderick plays such a great creep oh he played
1:23:32
the sackler brother the sackler really yeah the head of
1:23:34
the family that started this whole opiate problem that we
1:23:38
have in this country it's fucking terrifying because it's all
1:23:41
real and those fucking people never even went to jail
1:23:44
who knows how many people are dead because of them
1:23:46
yeah yeah They generated fucking billions and billions of dollars,
1:23:51
killed a bunch of people, ruined countless lives. How many
1:23:55
lives of people that were connected? Your dad gets hooked
1:23:58
on that shit. It ruins your relationship with your family.
1:24:01
You wind up being all fucked up because you grew
1:24:03
up with a dad who was strung out on pills. Yeah.
1:24:05
Speaker 2: No, generation. Yeah. Generational damage.
1:24:08
Speaker 1: Oh, God, yeah.
1:24:09
Speaker 2: And these guys put their feet up. Yeah.
1:24:12
Speaker 1: They go to a fucking nice country club and have
1:24:14
the lobster. Yeah. cocksuckers. There's so many of them in
1:24:17
this world. There's like, that's genuinely evil.
1:24:21
Speaker 2: Yes.
1:24:21
Speaker 1: There's real demons. That's a real demon. Like people want
1:24:24
to think demons live in hell and you know, that's,
1:24:27
that's kind of maybe may or may not be real. No,
1:24:30
they're on earth. There's demons.
1:24:32
Speaker 2: They're right here. Yeah.
1:24:33
Speaker 1: And they justify it. They figure out a way to
1:24:35
justify it. And they're around a bunch of other people
1:24:37
who justify it too. And they can just immediately dismiss
1:24:40
any pain or suffering because they got a huge amount
1:24:44
of profit from it.
1:24:47
Speaker 2: Yeah yep those are the fuckers those.
1:24:51
Speaker 1: Are the fuckers yeah they're out there.
1:24:53
Speaker 2: And it doesn't take many of them to create like
1:24:56
real carnage I mean think about that think about the
1:24:59
opiate issue in this and it's still going it was
1:25:02
the gateway to fentanyl right if you think about it.
1:25:06
Speaker 1: Yeah it was the gateway to fentanyl and it was
1:25:09
it was also it's like they were doing those pain
1:25:12
management centers down in Florida where they just All they
1:25:16
prescribed was pills. So you would go and like, I'm
1:25:18
in pain. They're like, oh, Taylor, we've got the solution.
1:25:22
It's right next door. And you go right next door
1:25:24
to their pharmacy and all their pharmacy has, like they
1:25:26
don't have Bengay over there. They don't have toothbrushes.
1:25:29
Speaker 3: Oxy.
1:25:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got Oxy.
1:25:30
Speaker 2: Here you go, buddy.
1:25:31
Speaker 1: This is the solution. Yeah. Fucked.
1:25:34
Speaker 2: Yep. Yep. That's the real drug trade.
1:25:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, right? Yeah. I mean, the cartel is basically getting
1:25:42
the scraps out. They're making trillions of dollars off scraps.
1:25:46
Speaker 2: Well, think about this. Did you even know what fentanyl
1:25:49
was 15 years ago? I never heard of it. No.
1:25:52
Speaker 1: I don't even remember when we first heard about it.
1:25:54
But when we first heard about it on a podcast,
1:25:56
we were talking about it. And we found the amount
1:25:58
that's lethal. And they showed it next to a penny.
1:26:01
And you're like, what?
1:26:02
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:26:02
Speaker 1: That can kill you? And people are taking that? And
1:26:06
they're mixing that in cocaine? Holy fuck.
1:26:09
Speaker 2: And they are bent over zombies on the side of
1:26:12
the road.
1:26:12
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow. Philadelphia is bad too. There's a bunch of
1:26:15
cities that are just real bad with it and it
1:26:18
doesn't have to be that way. And what's interesting is
1:26:22
this Ibogaine initiative that Rick Perry and Brian Hubbard are
1:26:25
pushing in Texas and that I went to the White
1:26:29
House to get Trump to be involved in and they're
1:26:31
trying to make this so that it's– you have a
1:26:35
right to use or– I think they call it right
1:26:37
to use or right to try for people that are
1:26:39
addicted and they're trying to make it more readily available
1:26:42
and accessible to veterans. That's the thing that could help
1:26:45
all these people.
1:26:45
Speaker 2: What is it now?
1:26:46
Speaker 1: Ibogaine. Do you don't know what that is? Ibogaine is a, uh,
1:26:51
it comes from the aboga tree in Africa and it
1:26:55
is this very potent psychedelic that has no recreational use
1:26:59
at all. It's not fun. Nobody likes it. It's not
1:27:01
like a trip. You see zombies and fucking hang out
1:27:04
with the aliens. Uh, you go into this very dark
1:27:08
experience for like 24 hours where like replays your life
1:27:12
to you in a very uncomfortable way, and also somehow
1:27:16
or another rewires addiction in your brain. And for a
1:27:20
large percentage of people, just one dose is good enough
1:27:23
to get them off of everything, whatever they're on, whether
1:27:25
it's alcohol, gambling, coke, whatever the fuck it is. But
1:27:29
for two doses, when they do it twice, it's significantly better.
1:27:33
And it doesn't just do that. Rick Perry, who was
1:27:37
the Republican former governor of Texas, was staunchly anti-drugs, He
1:27:42
said this is his main focus in life now is
1:27:45
to promote this. This is his goal in life because
1:27:47
he did it and he had an incredible reaction to
1:27:50
it and he knows so many veterans who have done it.
1:27:53
It's incredible for PTSD. Somehow or another, it has neuroregenerative
1:27:57
properties where he went there and he said– he went
1:28:01
to his doctor before and the doctor did a whole
1:28:03
scan of his body and he said, Look, you've got
1:28:05
a certain amount of age-related brain atrophy. It's like it's fine,
1:28:08
but it's normal that you're 73 years old or 74
1:28:11
years old. So he goes and does the Ibogaine, sees
1:28:16
his doctor a short time afterwards, and the doctor says
1:28:19
it's 25 percent less atrophy than when you got the
1:28:23
last scan. And he explains to him the whole Ibogaine thing.
1:28:27
He goes back six months later. It's all gone. He
1:28:31
has no brain atrophy anymore. which is bananas. So it's
1:28:36
regenerating brain tissue. It's making... his brain work better. And
1:28:43
it's just.
1:28:45
Speaker 2: Well, pharmaceutical companies aren't going to let that shit out.
1:28:47
Speaker 1: Well, they didn't like it. They didn't like that I
1:28:50
bypassed them and went straight to Trump and told them
1:28:51
about that. But Trump was very open to it. He said,
1:28:54
what are you looking for? Are you looking for FDA approval? Like,
1:28:56
let's do it. Like, that's literally what he said. And
1:28:58
then a week later, we were at the White House
1:29:01
and he was signing it. So it's incredible. But so
1:29:05
many veterans have had to go over to mostly Mexico
1:29:09
but Costa Rica. There's a bunch of different places that
1:29:11
they go where they can have these Ibogaine retreats. And
1:29:14
these guys have had incredible results. Marcus Luttrell, he had
1:29:19
an incredible result from it. He had a real problem drinking. Obviously,
1:29:23
he's the guy, the lone survivor. The movie is based
1:29:26
on his experiences over in Afghanistan. So this guy, he's
1:29:31
done it. He's gotten over it because of that. There's
1:29:34
a long– Sean Ryan, long list of guys who have
1:29:39
had this experience and it completely changed them. Dakota Meyer
1:29:43
did it. So many of these guys did it. And
1:29:45
because of their stories, because all these veterans, then it
1:29:49
like kind of opened up the idea to a lot
1:29:51
more right-wing people that would maybe be like more hesitant
1:29:55
to accept something like this. Then on top of it,
1:29:57
no recreational use. No one's like, boy, I can't wait
1:30:00
to do that again. Everybody's like, holy shit, this sucked.
1:30:02
I had diarrhea. I threw up. I felt I was
1:30:05
horrified for fucking 12 hours. It apparently just takes you
1:30:09
through every aspect of your life, like review like a movie.
1:30:12
All the times you've ever hurt people, you see it
1:30:14
from their perspective. Yeah, it's a very dark experience for
1:30:19
a lot of people, especially a lot of people that
1:30:21
have fucked up a lot of their life.
1:30:23
Speaker 3: Wow.
1:30:23
Speaker 1: Yeah. But if those people had access to Ibogaine, all
1:30:28
these homeless people that you see strung out, if instead
1:30:31
of just giving them needles and an iPhone and like
1:30:34
profiting off of it, if somehow or another these assholes
1:30:38
can figure out a way to profit off of these
1:30:40
centers where you could bring people in and give them
1:30:43
Ibogaine retreats, maybe that would be a nice little fucking
1:30:46
exit strategy for all these grifters that have been profiting
1:30:49
off of the homeless industrial complex for so long.
1:30:51
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, they're not trying to solve problems. No.
1:30:55
Speaker 1: No, they're trying to make money. That's what I was
1:30:57
saying earlier when we were talking about charities. That's the
1:30:59
saddest thing that I've come to the realization that most
1:31:04
nonprofits are fucking scams. Like most of them. Most of them.
1:31:10
And this guy was like reading off like the average
1:31:12
amount that these people that are in charge of the
1:31:15
homeless program in LA are making. It's an extraordinary amount
1:31:18
of money. It's a great living. They're not doing it
1:31:21
because it's like some sort of a very charitable thing
1:31:25
that they really want to save the world and help people. No,
1:31:27
they're making tons of money.
1:31:30
Speaker 2: They're performative entrepreneurs, if you think about it. Come up
1:31:36
with a problem, then go pitch some version of Karen's
1:31:42
solution to a government and take the fucking money and
1:31:46
never solve the problem. Because as soon as you solve
1:31:48
the problem, and if you do somehow accidentally solve it,
1:31:50
then go find another one. Yeah.
1:31:53
Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the reasons why shows
1:31:58
like Yellowstone in particular that show like people that are
1:32:01
proud to work hard and really get like deep satisfaction
1:32:05
out of that life. And there's something about that that
1:32:09
really like resonates with people. Like there's a better way
1:32:13
than just bullshitting people. There's a better way than fraud
1:32:17
and nonsense and all this. political horseshit that's pumped down
1:32:21
your throat every day?
1:32:22
Speaker 2: No.
1:32:23
Speaker 1: How about a fucking, just a sleeping bag and the stars?
1:32:27
How about that? Just lying there with your horse tied
1:32:29
to a tree? Isn't that really what everybody wants? Doesn't
1:32:32
really everyone want to cook their dinner over a fire
1:32:34
and laugh with all their friends? Because that's what they
1:32:37
really want. That really sounds good.
1:32:39
Speaker 2: Just something simple.
1:32:40
Speaker 1: Something real. Something that's like, it's not that simple because
1:32:45
it's hard to do all that shit, but there's something
1:32:48
about it that's pure. It's pure. There's no ifs, ands,
1:32:51
or buts.
1:32:52
Speaker 2: You spend a lot of time outside, right? And the
1:32:56
entire thing is an endeavor, right? If you go bow hunting,
1:33:00
you're going to practice, prepare before you go. Then you're
1:33:04
going to hike your ass in somewhere. You're going to
1:33:06
have to set up a camp. And all of these
1:33:09
are tasks before you've even gone to do the thing
1:33:11
you went there to do, which is going to be
1:33:12
another task. But the completion of them is the reward
1:33:16
and the fact that you're doing it yourself. Everything done yourself.
1:33:19
I think that's– and that's why people are so attracted
1:33:23
to the life. That's why I've got third-generation cowboys that
1:33:27
went and got a degree in ranch management to come
1:33:29
back and make $ 3, 000 a month and couldn't be happier.
1:33:34
Speaker 1: It's wild, isn't it? It's really wild when you think
1:33:36
about it. It's wild what people actually gravitate towards because
1:33:41
they say that– have you ever seen that Werner Herzog documentary,
1:33:44
Happy People?
1:33:45
Speaker 3: No. No.
1:33:46
Speaker 1: It's called Happy People Life in the Taiga. And it's
1:33:49
all about these trappers that live on the Taiga River
1:33:53
in Siberia. And all these people do is trap and
1:33:58
hunt and fish. They don't have any other way to
1:34:00
make a living. That's all they do. And they're so
1:34:03
fucking happy. And they're all laughing together and drinking together
1:34:07
and hanging out with their dogs and their dogs are
1:34:09
sled dogs. And so they're on snowmobiles and the dogs
1:34:12
are chasing behind them and the dogs hunt with them.
1:34:14
And These fucking people have like zero mental illness. And
1:34:18
when they're talking to them, they're talking in Russian. So
1:34:21
it's all translated. But what they're talking about, like the
1:34:24
way they talk, it's like that this is how you're
1:34:26
supposed to live. This is real life. And they're all happy.
1:34:31
Speaker 2: There's a guy. I'm going to get his name wrong.
1:34:35
It's like Primager, something like that. And he. In the 60s.
1:34:42
Speaker 1: Dick Premiken.
1:34:43
Speaker 2: Premiken. That's it. Yeah. Yeah.
1:34:45
Speaker 1: The guy who lived in Alaska. Yeah.
1:34:46
Speaker 2: Yeah. Went up, said bucket.
1:34:49
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:34:50
Speaker 2: Went up into the, way into the wild and built
1:34:54
by hand a cabin and lived there and documented it.
1:34:58
Brought a little Super 8 camera or whatever, filmed the
1:35:00
whole thing. Yeah. And filmed himself. I mean, he lived
1:35:04
for 35 years. He was 80 something years old when
1:35:07
he finally was too old to get through another winter
1:35:10
when he came down. And he just built this cabin
1:35:12
and just lived, unfished, grew potatoes, had to build. There
1:35:17
he is.
1:35:18
Speaker 1: Brenneke. Prenneke. That's how you say his name. P-R-O-E-N-E-K-E.
1:35:24
Speaker 2: If you haven't watched that documentary, it is fascinating.
1:35:27
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Yeah. Look at the difference.
1:35:29
Speaker 2: What is it?
1:35:30
Speaker 1: I don't know how much you did it. I'm just
1:35:31
talking about.
1:35:33
Speaker 2: It.
1:35:33
Speaker 1: But why this show is 2023?
1:35:34
Speaker 2: I have no idea.
1:35:35
Speaker 1: I don't know. This guy, when he documented all of it,
1:35:42
you know, it's so attractive. There's something about the way
1:35:45
he's living. And he's by himself, which is also wild. Like,
1:35:48
how do you not get lonely?
1:35:50
Speaker 2: No, there's that.
1:35:51
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd lose my fucking marbles. I need people.
1:35:54
I need to talk to somebody. I don't think I'd
1:35:56
be liking that. No, no, no. But it's so attractive.
1:36:00
Speaker 2: But the notion of that kind of self-reliance.
1:36:01
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, there's something about it that's, like, deeply ingrained
1:36:05
in our DNA. It's not just that. It's like... It's
1:36:10
a healthy interaction with the wild world. There he is.
1:36:17
Look at that guy. Made all that shit himself. That's
1:36:21
what's crazy.
1:36:22
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:36:22
Speaker 1: The whole thing. I mean, he made his own tools.
1:36:25
He made... It's really wild. I think he was a...
1:36:28
Wasn't he a lumberman or something like that? I can't
1:36:31
remember if he was... Look at fucking pretty that is.
1:36:34
My God. This is right in front of his house.
1:36:37
You just build a house out there. Alaska is amazing, man.
1:36:42
I mean the winners can suck a dick, but just
1:36:46
the actual being there in the place and the people
1:36:49
are– they're clearly like extraordinary people. Like when you go–
1:36:54
just even hanging out in a bar in Anchorage, like
1:36:57
you guys are different. They're like more reliable. They're sturdier people.
1:37:03
Speaker 2: No matter where you live in Alaska, you're going to
1:37:05
have to be tough.
1:37:06
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. You have to be. And they were laughing
1:37:09
about some guy who got stomped to death by a
1:37:10
moose because he was throwing snowballs at it in town. Like, okay,
1:37:14
that's something you guys have to think about. You might
1:37:17
get stomped to death in front of the ATM machine.
1:37:19
Speaker 2: Or maybe don't throw a fucking snowball at a 1,000-pound animal.
1:37:23
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you can catch a cow with her calves
1:37:27
and she'll stomp you or what. So it's a book.
1:37:32
Prenicky says he turned his back on a tedious– On
1:37:35
tedious 50-hour work weeks and moved to Alaska to do
1:37:38
a thing to completion. He built the cabin when he
1:37:41
was 51 and lived there for more than 30 years. Wow. Wow.
1:37:48
Where is that area? The Twin Lakes and Lake Clark
1:37:50
National Park?
1:37:51
Speaker 2: I don't know.
1:37:54
Speaker 1: There's another guy that lives up there that lives near
1:37:57
the Arctic Circle. Vice Guide to Travel did a piece
1:38:01
on him years ago. It's the same kind of deal.
1:38:04
He lives in a cabin and he's been up in
1:38:07
that cabin since the 1970s. He didn't, he never saw 9-11.
1:38:11
He saw a photograph of it years later. He's just
1:38:13
been up there in the woods. All he does is
1:38:17
he hunts caribou and he has them all like hanging up,
1:38:20
like frozen because it's frozen outside. Like that's as outside
1:38:23
as it's cooler. And while they're there, a grizzly tries
1:38:26
to steal a stash and he has to shoot the grizzly.
1:38:29
It's like it's crazy. Really?
1:38:31
Speaker 2: What's that called?
1:38:32
Speaker 1: It's called Vice Guide to Travel, and it's Heinmo's Arctic
1:38:36
Adventure is the video series. And what's interesting, this is
1:38:41
like the early days of Vice when Vice was really cool.
1:38:44
And they get this fucking nerd with glasses, probably from
1:38:47
like Williamsburg, Who flies out to Alaska to hang out
1:38:50
with this guy. And these journalists were like hardcore. These
1:38:56
young kids, they knew they were doing something kind of crazy.
1:38:59
And they would go to war zones. That's how Tim
1:39:02
Pool started out. These guys would go to the fucking
1:39:04
war zones and get shot at. They had bulletproof vests
1:39:07
on and shit. And they'd be doing real investigative reporting.
1:39:11
And so this guy just really went up there and
1:39:14
hung out with this dude in Alaska for like a week.
1:39:18
And was talking to him. I was like, what's so
1:39:20
great about this? And he's a very intelligent guy. He's
1:39:23
not the guy who's this guy, Heinmo. See if you
1:39:27
can find that. Did you find it?
1:39:29
Speaker 3: I was looking around. I mean, they're still posting stuff.
1:39:32
There's the last Alaskan. Excuse me, the last Alaskans.
1:39:35
Speaker 1: Oh, he's still posting stuff?
1:39:37
Speaker 3: They have a YouTube channel.
1:39:38
Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
1:39:39
Speaker 3: Heinmo and Edna. Oh, wow.
1:39:41
Speaker 1: He looks older now.
1:39:43
Speaker 3: They're just talking about podcasts here a second ago.
1:39:45
Speaker 1: Oh, interesting. Interesting. They're talking about podcasts?
1:39:48
Speaker 2: Our podcast.
1:39:49
Speaker 1: Oh, because we talked about them?
1:39:50
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just saw as your picture popped up.
1:39:54
Speaker 1: Oh, that's it. That's me talking about them. Yeah. See
1:39:57
if you can find the vice guy to travel because
1:39:59
that's where I found out about him. So this guy,
1:40:03
he's like one of the last people that's allowed to
1:40:05
live up there. He has like a notice posted on
1:40:09
his cabin because he's grandfathered in. I don't think you
1:40:13
can build a cabin up there anymore.
1:40:14
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:40:18
Speaker 1: That's not... This is afterwards.
1:40:20
Speaker 3: 15 years ago?
1:40:22
Speaker 1: Might be it. But I think it's called Heinmo's Arctic Adventure. Yeah,
1:40:30
Heinmo Korth, Heinmo's Arctic Refuge. That's the article.
1:40:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the Vice website isn't really one of
1:40:37
the most well-kept things on the internet these days.
1:40:41
Speaker 4: Um.
1:40:47
Speaker 1: Put in Arctic Adventure.
1:40:48
Speaker 3: I'm guessing that the article was the first thing, and
1:40:51
then they went and followed up to make a video,
1:40:52
and that's what this is.
1:40:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, maybe that's it.
1:40:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, see, it says it presents Heimo's Arctic Refuge.
1:40:59
Speaker 1: Right. That's probably it.
1:41:00
Speaker 3: They could have just changed the name on YouTube also.
1:41:02
Speaker 1: I think they did, or maybe I remember it wrong.
1:41:05
Either way, this guy's premise is that this is really
1:41:09
how you should live. This is how people– yeah, that's
1:41:12
the guy. So he's looking– Nerdy cat is hanging out.
1:41:18
He looks so out of place. Yep, this is it.
1:41:22
And he's got this caribou that he shot. And they're
1:41:25
hanging frozen. And he just saws off a piece and
1:41:28
throws the frozen steaks onto the grill, cooks it over wood.
1:41:33
And this is how this guy lives. And that's all
1:41:34
he eats. He's just eating caribou and salmon. And he
1:41:39
lives up there all year round, man. And it's– I
1:41:46
mean he's just very happy. And this is the weird
1:41:50
part about it is how happy people who live like
1:41:53
this are. Because I think that's in our brain. That's
1:41:56
how we're designed to exist with nature. We're designed to
1:42:01
be hunter-gatherers. We still have the same DNA as people
1:42:04
who lived tens of thousands of years ago.
1:42:07
Speaker 2: And cities started what? Maybe 10,000 years ago in some form, right?
1:42:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, depending on who you ask. I think we're a
1:42:16
little wrong with that too. I think they're starting to
1:42:20
change their perspective of when actual civilization emerged because of
1:42:26
stuff like Gobekli Tepe in Turkey. They found these immense
1:42:30
structures that are 11,800 years old that were buried that
1:42:33
this guy who was like– I think it was a
1:42:35
sheep herder in the 90s found it. Really? Yeah, he
1:42:37
found like a stone that was like– sticking out of
1:42:39
the ground weird and he kicked it with his boots,
1:42:41
like knocking some dirt off. And then he brought in
1:42:43
some archaeologists and then they discovered this massive complex, these
1:42:48
like huge circles of giant stone columns with 3D animals
1:42:52
carved in them. And they carbon dated the ground and
1:42:55
it was intentionally covered up somewhere around 11,000 plus years ago.
1:42:59
Speaker 2: So they're like, really?
1:43:00
Speaker 1: Yeah. So like, what the fuck is this? Like they
1:43:02
didn't even know like what the civilization was. Like what,
1:43:06
why did they build this? What's the purpose of it?
1:43:09
There's a lot of people that debate whether or not
1:43:11
what's depicted on it is a calendar. Is it a
1:43:14
marking of an event? Does it show the flood? Like
1:43:17
what is this? It's weird stuff, man, like really weird stuff.
1:43:21
And I think there's more of that than you'd like
1:43:24
to– that makes people comfortable. And archaeologists are very hesitant
1:43:27
to accept it.
1:43:28
Speaker 2: Well, that whole deal, right? Like your relevance being upon
1:43:32
you discovered this thing.
1:43:35
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:43:36
Speaker 2: When they found the– the Clovis point. So then we're
1:43:39
dating everything off of that. And anyone finding anything else
1:43:42
is going to render that guy's discovery less important. Yeah.
1:43:47
And you know, there was at one point we thought
1:43:48
there was this logical evolution of man from Homo erectus
1:43:52
into Homo sapien. And now we know that there were
1:43:54
at least four, maybe five species of humanoid living at
1:43:59
the same time. It's just fucking at least five.
1:44:03
Speaker 1: Not only that, it's like really difficult to make a fossil.
1:44:07
Most people are going to die and their bones are
1:44:08
going to be gone within 100 years. Yeah.
1:44:10
Speaker 2: It's just what we've been able to find and we're
1:44:13
basing an entire science upon incredibly incomplete discoveries.
1:44:18
Speaker 1: We're basing entire science on a very limited number that
1:44:23
can even possibly exist. Like I think if you take
1:44:27
into account how many dinosaur bones they found and then
1:44:31
how many dinosaurs existed and for how many. Hundreds of
1:44:35
millions of years dinosaurs existed. And you realize like, oh,
1:44:40
like most shit doesn't make a fossil. So we don't
1:44:42
even know how many different dinosaurs that we've– I mean
1:44:44
they just discovered a new one recently. We don't even
1:44:47
know how many existed that we never found fossilized.
1:44:51
Speaker 2: Yeah. If they didn't run through some lava pit or
1:44:53
tar pit or something, how would you know?
1:44:54
Speaker 1: And every– so often some new form of ancient human
1:44:59
pops up and we're like, oh, what's this one? What
1:45:02
the fuck is this one? This is– Weird ones. They're
1:45:05
all over the place. There's a fucking ton of them.
1:45:07
The Denisovans. There's the one in, I believe it was
1:45:11
in China, the big-headed people. They're quite a bit larger.
1:45:14
These are in Texas.
1:45:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Glen Rose.
1:45:16
Speaker 1: Dinosaur Valley State Park. Wow.
1:45:19
Speaker 2: That's Glen Rose, Texas.
1:45:20
Speaker 1: That's crazy. How crazy is that? Look at those footprints.
1:45:24
That's so nuts. That is so nuts. That a dinosaur
1:45:30
left those, how long ago? 113 million year old dinosaur tracks.
1:45:35
What the fuck, man? And, you know, we're just lucky.
1:45:42
Speaker 2: So what is he, what, that thing and how much
1:45:45
did it fucking weigh to imprint into that, which is
1:45:48
now granite, right? But at the time it's probably some
1:45:50
mixture of mud and ash from a. volcano that came together.
1:45:54
Speaker 1: Right, probably.
1:45:55
Speaker 2: Some version of that. Right.
1:45:57
Speaker 1: I wonder what the animal was. Do they know which
1:46:00
dinosaur it was?
1:46:01
Speaker 3: I have a picture of one here. I don't know
1:46:02
if it's the wall. I guess that's the one they
1:46:04
assumed was there.
1:46:05
Speaker 1: God, those footprints are so dope. That's so wild. I
1:46:12
wonder who the first guy who found that was.
1:46:14
Speaker 3: It says it was discovered after a drought, so it
1:46:16
would have been.
1:46:18
Speaker 1: Oh, that's even cooler.
1:46:19
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
1:46:20
Speaker 1: So it was underneath the water the whole time. And
1:46:22
then they're like, holy, the river dried up completely in
1:46:24
most locations, allowing for more tracks to be uncovered here.
1:46:27
Speaker 2: In the park.
1:46:28
Speaker 1: Wow. That's sick. That's the animal?
1:46:33
Speaker 3: Believed to be.
1:46:34
Speaker 2: I don't know.
1:46:34
Speaker 3: They wouldn't know for sure.
1:46:35
Speaker 1: Belonged to two types of dinos, including Acrocanthosaurus.
1:46:43
Speaker 3: I don't think they found any fossils or anything to be.
1:46:48
Speaker 1: The record that's even just crazy right all you find
1:46:50
is the feet think about how many died there think
1:46:53
about how many just got eaten by other animals and
1:46:56
shit out and i mean most stuff that lives i
1:47:00
mean you know as well as anybody you very rarely
1:47:04
find skeletons in the woods.
1:47:07
Speaker 2: No the mice are gonna eat them.
1:47:08
Speaker 1: Yeah something's gonna eat most of what you find in
1:47:11
the woods within a couple of years everything's gone but
1:47:14
like most last time like if you're a hunter you're
1:47:17
Good luck finding a dead mountain lion. They must die.
1:47:21
They must die. I don't know anybody that's found a
1:47:22
dead one.
1:47:23
Speaker 2: I've never found one. I've never seen one.
1:47:25
Speaker 1: There's thousands of them. They die. Where are they? Fucking
1:47:28
nature takes care of everything. And that's what would happen
1:47:31
to most fossils.
1:47:32
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:47:32
Speaker 1: That's why most fossils don't happen. I mean, when people die,
1:47:36
they don't get fossilized.
1:47:37
Speaker 3: This picture says 1908, a local schoolboy found some of these.
1:47:40
Speaker 4: Wow.
1:47:41
Speaker 1: Look at the size of those next to that dude.
1:47:43
That's crazy.
1:47:44
Speaker 3: Imagine you ran home and tried to tell your parents.
1:47:45
Speaker 1: About some dinosaur.
1:47:47
Speaker 3: They wouldn't even know what dinosaurs really were, I bet,
1:47:49
back then. How would they have known?
1:47:50
Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of people today that don't even
1:47:52
think dinosaurs are real, which is hilarious. There's so many
1:47:56
knuckleheads online. But, I mean, we have a very... limited
1:48:02
amount of information that we're basing the entire history of
1:48:05
Earth on planet.
1:48:06
Speaker 3: What do you describe that as in 1910? Three-toed giant lizard?
1:48:14
I don't even know what you're saying.
1:48:15
Speaker 1: How would you even be sure that that was a footprint?
1:48:17
Speaker 3: Come look at this, and then you've got to go
1:48:19
tell everybody else in the town. to come follow you
1:48:20
out there to find it.
1:48:22
Speaker 2: Right.
1:48:22
Speaker 1: In 1910, did they even have drawings of dinosaurs?
1:48:25
Speaker 2: Well, I would think they would have found some of
1:48:27
the bones.
1:48:28
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I think we figured that out, right? I
1:48:31
think we talked about that. Didn't they first start finding
1:48:34
them in the 1800s?
1:48:35
Speaker 2: Isn't that what it was?
1:48:37
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's not– I mean if you think about
1:48:39
how many different things died and just were absorbed by
1:48:42
the earth, just gets eaten, shit out, swallowed up, just
1:48:46
destroyed by time and erosion and never became fossils. We're
1:48:50
basing the entire history of the planet on a limited
1:48:53
amount of information. And that information, it never gets younger.
1:48:58
It always gets older. The more stuff they found …
1:49:01
Like they found a modern version of human beings that
1:49:05
pushes the timeline of humans back another 300,000 or 400,000 years.
1:49:10
And that keeps happening.
1:49:12
Speaker 2: Well, they thought that people crossed the Bering Land Bridge 12,000, 14,000
1:49:18
years ago. And now they've pushed that back 10,000 years.
1:49:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, they found those footprints in White Sands, New Mexico.
1:49:24
And those are 22,000 years old.
1:49:26
Speaker 3: It took a giant flood to come wash away layers
1:49:29
of sediment. Wow. Wow. Wow.
1:49:37
Speaker 1: That's fucking cool. Wow. That is so cool. And this
1:49:43
is in 1952 they did that?
1:49:44
Speaker 3: No, no, no.
1:49:45
Speaker 2: 1908.
1:49:46
Speaker 1: 1908?
1:49:46
Speaker 3: The pictures are from 1952 or something like that.
1:49:48
Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
1:49:49
Speaker 3: They must have just kept... Maybe it flooded again 50
1:49:51
years later. Floods do happen here fast.
1:49:54
Speaker 1: When did they... First figure out dinosaurs. Like, what was
1:49:57
the first year a dinosaur bone was discovered? On your ranch,
1:50:04
do you find, like, a lot of, like, arrowheads and, like,
1:50:07
Native American stuff?
1:50:09
Speaker 2: The one I grew up on everywhere. Yeah? Every time
1:50:12
it'd rain, you'd find these points.
1:50:15
Speaker 1: That just enthralls me. It's so fascinating. You pick up
1:50:19
some arrow. I found one in Nevada while I was
1:50:22
on a mule deer hunt. I was in the high desert.
1:50:24
We found this little tiny thing. I looked down. I go, oh,
1:50:27
my God, it's a fucking arrowhead. And you just think
1:50:30
some dude who knows how many hundreds of years ago
1:50:34
shot that in his ear. Thousands.
1:50:36
Speaker 2: Yeah. We found a bunch, and my mother took them
1:50:39
to Fort Worth to the museum, and they dated them.
1:50:41
And they could look at them, and they'd know various styles.
1:50:45
And they go, oh, this was made by, this is 2,200
1:50:48
years old. This is 4,000 years old. This is when
1:50:51
they started doing this.
1:50:52
Speaker 1: We have one here. I got one here somewhere. It's
1:50:55
a big one too.
1:50:59
Speaker 3: 1677 was when the first scientifically recorded dinosaur bone was described.
1:51:04
Although it says they've been digging, people have been digging
1:51:05
them up for thousands of years, but.
1:51:07
Speaker 1: They didn't know what the fuck it was.
1:51:08
Speaker 3: This one just says he even thought it belonged to
1:51:10
a giant human.
1:51:13
Speaker 1: This is one from.
1:51:14
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Yeah. Look at that. Yeah.
1:51:16
Speaker 1: A friend of mine got that off of his ranch.
1:51:20
Remy Warrant told me that's probably one they use for
1:51:22
fishing because it was so big.
1:51:24
Speaker 2: Interesting.
1:51:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought so too. I was like, that's interesting.
1:51:28
Because I guess when you're dealing with old bows that
1:51:30
didn't have a whole lot of power, you really wouldn't
1:51:33
want a big wide cut because you wouldn't get enough
1:51:36
penetration to get through the rib cage unless you were
1:51:38
really close.
1:51:39
Speaker 2: So this would be more on a spear?
1:51:40
Speaker 1: No, it would be on an arrow. It would just
1:51:43
be something that you shot at a fish because it's
1:51:45
easier to penetrate than, like, say, a buffalo. Right. Where
1:51:48
they would use a smaller head. They're just trying to
1:51:51
get penetration. That's fascinating. Just an amazing thing. You're finding
1:51:56
just this piece of ancient history where people had no internet,
1:52:01
no books, no nothing, just flint knapping and using tendons
1:52:08
and shit. And then trying to practice with those bows
1:52:14
and figuring out how to do it while you're on
1:52:15
horseback too. It's crazy. So where you grew up? On
1:52:22
the ranch you grew up, you'd find them all the time?
1:52:24
Speaker 2: All the time.
1:52:25
Speaker 1: What was the oldest shit you found?
1:52:27
Speaker 2: Man, I can't remember. But I remember it being thousands
1:52:32
of years old, a few thousand years old. But we
1:52:35
had a, like my mother had this wicker basket that
1:52:40
was like this big. And it was full.
1:52:44
Speaker 1: Of arrowheads? Yeah.
1:52:46
Speaker 3: Wow.
1:52:46
Speaker 2: You'd find them, just toss them in there. That's crazy. Yeah.
1:52:50
Speaker 1: It just makes you think, like, how long did people
1:52:53
live on that land? How many hundreds, thousands of years
1:52:57
did people live on that land?
1:52:59
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Or pass through or have battles or who
1:53:05
fucking knows. Yeah. Or when you find them like we
1:53:09
found them, I mean, every single time it rained, there
1:53:13
was this stock tank behind our house. And maybe it's
1:53:16
half a mile up to the stock tank. We walked
1:53:19
that road and you could find four or five. So
1:53:21
was that a trading depot? Was that some place where
1:53:24
people went to trade? And then I always think, like,
1:53:28
how do you lose that many? Right. As hard as
1:53:32
they must be to make. Right. You'd think once you've
1:53:35
shot that arrow, you're going to go look for the arrow.
1:53:37
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:53:37
Speaker 2: Because you spent hours making this.
1:53:40
Speaker 1: They must have shot so many for so long.
1:53:43
Speaker 2: I mean.
1:53:45
Speaker 1: They're probably shooting them every day. They probably had somebody
1:53:47
back at the camp making them every day.
1:53:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's probably some guy that that's his skill. Yeah.
1:53:52
Maybe when people got older, they couldn't hunt, couldn't run. Right.
1:53:57
Speaker 1: Maybe.
1:53:57
Speaker 2: They sat back and... Right.
1:53:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that guy makes the arrows, and maybe somebody
1:54:02
else makes the bows, and this guy's going out and
1:54:04
shooting the deer and bringing them back. When you're doing
1:54:06
a show like 1823, how much research did you have
1:54:12
to do to try to get that right? Because that was...
1:54:14
in my opinion, one of the best theatrical things that, uh,
1:54:19
that I ever watched movie or television show that I
1:54:22
feel like nailed what it must've been like to try
1:54:27
to travel across the country, to be a civilized person
1:54:29
living in the city and try to make your way
1:54:31
across the country and just experience the wild shit those
1:54:34
people saw.
1:54:35
Speaker 2: Well, there's a few things. So a lot of research,
1:54:38
but interestingly, I had, uh, my family had come, one
1:54:44
side of my family had come from Kentucky to Texas
1:54:47
in the 1840s and whatever great, great grandmother journaled.
1:54:53
Speaker 1: Wow.
1:54:53
Speaker 2: So I had the journal.
1:54:55
Speaker 1: Holy shit.
1:54:57
Speaker 2: And, uh, and then I started finding other journals. There wasn't,
1:55:00
you know, some were published and, and reading about just
1:55:06
how fucking dangerous it was. If you think about it, um,
1:55:12
Rivers were the most terrifying thing, crossing rivers, because no
1:55:15
one swam. No one could swim. And most of the
1:55:21
people who came into either the port of New Orleans
1:55:25
or Galveston, they were European. They were German, a lot
1:55:30
of Germans. There were a lot of Central Europeans that
1:55:35
came and they were promised free land, right? There would
1:55:40
be travel agencies that they would arrange the entire trip
1:55:44
with before they've even left Germany or Croatia or wherever
1:55:49
they were. And so by the time that they landed
1:55:52
in Galveston, they would meet up with their group and
1:55:56
the group would, you know, they have chipped in all
1:55:59
this amount of money and they've got guides and they
1:56:01
would have already arranged for mules or horses and wagons
1:56:05
and off they go.
1:56:07
Speaker 1: And they had no idea.
1:56:08
Speaker 2: A lot of them had never fucking... ridden a horse
1:56:11
in their life, much less fired a gun, much less,
1:56:15
you know, they're in a completely foreign.
1:56:19
Speaker 1: Area.
1:56:19
Speaker 2: Like they don't, and they landed in Texas. Most of
1:56:22
them heading to Oregon, uh, because that area was the
1:56:26
most similar to where they were from in central Europe.
1:56:29
And then, you know, for whatever reason, they didn't, some
1:56:32
didn't get that far. Some maybe never got past Waco
1:56:34
or Fort Worth or wherever. Um, and then off they went. And,
1:56:41
And the dangers were from obviously rivers and sun exposure, disease. Obviously,
1:56:49
there were issues with bandits and the Native American tribes,
1:56:53
depending on the time of year, the era, right? By
1:56:57
the 80s, that was largely not an issue, the 1880s.
1:57:01
But bandits sure as shit were a real issue because
1:57:04
there's no rule of law.
1:57:06
Speaker 1: Right.
1:57:07
Speaker 2: Right. And we can look at there's plenty of bad people.
1:57:10
doing awful shit today and we got all sorts of laws.
1:57:13
Now imagine if those people had the wherewithal to go
1:57:16
to a place to where there's no laws.
1:57:18
Speaker 1: No law and no enforcement. No help. No nothing.
1:57:22
Speaker 2: You're on your own. You're on your fucking own.
1:57:24
Speaker 1: And there was a bunch of people that had been
1:57:25
living like that for decades just fucking people up.
1:57:29
Speaker 2: Waiting for you.
1:57:30
Speaker 1: Just waiting for you. Waiting for you. Here they come.
1:57:33
Let's get them. And that was what their thing was.
1:57:35
Speaker 2: Yeah. So river crossings were incredibly dangerous. And then If
1:57:42
you didn't have an experienced guide, you're fucked. Truly fucked.
1:57:47
Because you could pick the wrong way and run out
1:57:50
of water. Go wander around in a circle. You get
1:57:53
up there on the Great Plains to where it's flat
1:57:55
and you don't know how to read the sun. You
1:57:58
don't know where you're going. People go out there and
1:58:01
make giant circles.
1:58:02
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was reading something about that the other day
1:58:05
that people tend to, for whatever reason, always walk in
1:58:09
a counterclockwise direction when they get lost. And that even
1:58:16
if they're left-footed or right-handed or left-handed, it doesn't seem
1:58:19
to matter. Humans, when they walk, if they get lost,
1:58:23
like in the woods, they walk in circles and they
1:58:26
almost always walk in a counterclockwise direction. And so– This
1:58:30
article was explaining that if you find yourself lost and
1:58:34
you think you're running into the same places, most likely
1:58:39
you should veer towards the right because you're most likely
1:58:44
looping towards the left for whatever reason. People tend to
1:58:47
do that. I wonder if there's like a scientific explanation.
1:58:51
Put that in perplexity. See why people move in a counterclockwise.
1:58:55
Speaker 3: It didn't come up with anything.
1:58:56
Speaker 1: Perplexity doesn't know shit. It doesn't have any woodsmanship.
1:59:00
Speaker 2: I never understood getting lost in the wilderness. I didn't
1:59:02
understand it.
1:59:03
Speaker 3: Really?
1:59:03
Speaker 2: I can understand not knowing where you are, but I
1:59:07
never understood getting lost.
1:59:09
Speaker 1: Well, you must have learned how to use a compass early. Yeah,
1:59:13
or the sun.
1:59:13
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:59:14
Speaker 2: Right. If the sun comes up in the morning and
1:59:16
you're facing it.
1:59:17
Speaker 1: Right.
1:59:17
Speaker 2: Then behind you is west to your left is north
1:59:20
to your right.
1:59:20
Speaker 1: Some people have zero experience in the woods, though. People
1:59:25
tend to loop often counterclockwise when lost because small errors
1:59:29
in our internal sense of straight ahead accumulate. And humans
1:59:32
also have a subtle left turn counterclockwise bias whose exact
1:59:37
cause is still unclear. Isn't that weird?
1:59:39
Speaker 3: Wow.
1:59:39
Speaker 1: That's so weird. In lab and field experiments, blindfolded people
1:59:43
tend to walk straight without landmarks, almost always end up
1:59:47
curving into large loops instead of moving in a straight line.
1:59:51
People told, rather, to walk straight without landmarks.
1:59:53
Speaker 3: Wow.
1:59:54
Speaker 1: Wow. This happens because without internal clues or external clues
1:59:58
like the sun, distant objects, or visible path, small random
2:00:01
errors in balance and body feedback build up until the
2:00:05
path bends enough to close into a circle. Wow. That's
2:00:11
got to be so disheartening. You've been walking for days,
2:00:14
and then you pass the same dead tree, and you're like, oh,
2:00:16
my God. We walked in a fucking circle. Pedestrians everywhere
2:00:21
exhibit a counterclockwise bias, wired to walk counterclockwise. During COVID,
2:00:27
scientists studying social distancing noticed that people seem to prefer
2:00:31
moving counterclockwise. That's so weird. Tendency is fundamentally individual rather
2:00:37
than a collective. What does that mean? Um, so every
2:00:43
individual does it, I guess, rather than a group of
2:00:45
people just following the leader. Pretty wild. So when people
2:00:51
get lost, but some, some people have just zero experience
2:00:54
being in the woods at all. And they just don't
2:00:57
know where to go. Where are we? And they just,
2:01:00
they just fucking freak out. And then they panic because
2:01:03
they think what's out there. Oh my God, I want
2:01:04
to die. Yeah. And you realize that once you're out
2:01:08
there that, Nature doesn't give a fuck if you make it. No.
2:01:13
Speaker 2: It doesn't care.
2:01:14
Speaker 4: At all.
2:01:15
Speaker 2: No.
2:01:15
Speaker 1: It's heartless, completely oblivious to your desire to stay alive.
2:01:21
It's not interested in what you want to do at all.
2:01:24
Speaker 2: Nope. Nope. Not at all. It's ambivalent.
2:01:28
Speaker 1: But that's also part of the beauty of it, right? Yeah.
2:01:30
When you're out there, especially if you take yourself seriously.
2:01:34
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:01:35
Speaker 1: You're out there, you're like, oh, I ain't shit.
2:01:37
Speaker 2: Yeah. It'll test you. Yeah.
2:01:41
Speaker 1: When you're writing a thing like 1823, like you're doing
2:01:45
all this research and you read the diaries from– you
2:01:49
said your great-grandmother?
2:01:51
Speaker 2: Like great-great.
2:01:51
Speaker 1: Great-great-grandmother. Did you ever think like putting some of those
2:01:56
letters online so other people can read them?
2:01:59
Speaker 2: No. There's plenty of– there's any number of published books
2:02:04
of– Very similar journals.
2:02:05
Speaker 1: I know, but it would be kind of dope for
2:02:06
people to read about your great-great-grandmother.
2:02:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, and nothing happened, right? It sucked. It was cold.
2:02:14
We had freaking whatever weird shit they had for dinner
2:02:18
that night, and so-and-so was rude, and it was this,
2:02:22
and we stopped in this beautiful valley, and it was
2:02:25
hard to get across the river, and I was scared.
2:02:27
But no attacks, no. It was pretty uneventful.
2:02:30
Speaker 1: They got lucky. It's interesting just as a window into time. Yes.
2:02:34
You know?
2:02:35
Speaker 2: Well, what's interesting really is how well written the journal was.
2:02:40
Speaker 3: Right?
2:02:40
Speaker 2: Because everyone.
2:02:41
Speaker 1: Was very educated. Yeah. Was better educated.
2:02:44
Speaker 2: Yes.
2:02:45
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, that's, that's weird.
2:02:49
Speaker 3: Right?
2:02:49
Speaker 1: When you read like Civil War letters and you're like,
2:02:52
why are these guys so fucking smart?
2:02:54
Speaker 2: I have letters from my grandfather who died in World
2:02:57
War II, love letters from him to his, to my grandmother.
2:03:03
Years of them. Cause you know, he listed in 1941 and,
2:03:07
and then went off and became a, uh, he, they
2:03:11
flew a, I guess it was the B-19 for a bomber. Um, and, uh, yeah.
2:03:18
And wrote all these letters to her.
2:03:21
Speaker 1: Um, yeah.
2:03:21
Speaker 2: And I have all those and they're just magnificent. Just
2:03:25
the way that people would just be so eloquent in
2:03:31
a letter to, you know, your wife.
2:03:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, my beloved. They would write things like that. It
2:03:36
is weird, like the deterioration of our ability to express ourselves,
2:03:42
the common person's ability to express themselves. You wouldn't have
2:03:46
expected that back then, I bet. If you could tell
2:03:48
people about the future, oh, you're going to have the
2:03:50
answer to any question on your phone. You have a
2:03:53
small device in your pocket. It also acts as a flashlight.
2:03:56
You're going to be able to pick that thing up
2:03:58
and ask it anything you want. Instantaneously, it's going to
2:04:01
give you a result. It must be brilliant. No, no,
2:04:05
they're half retarded.
2:04:07
Speaker 2: Because they didn't learn anything.
2:04:08
Speaker 1: Right.
2:04:09
Speaker 2: Right. You can ask a machine. The machine's done all
2:04:12
the learning. You just get an answer that you didn't earn.
2:04:15
Speaker 1: Right. That's the word. Earn.
2:04:17
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:04:18
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:04:19
Speaker 1: Just like equity. The problem with equity is you didn't
2:04:22
earn it.
2:04:23
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:04:24
Speaker 1: The problem with having the same results as everybody else
2:04:28
when you don't put the same effort. People in the
2:04:31
1800s often spent blocks of time, typically one to three
2:04:34
hours at a stretch, on letter writing. And heavy correspondence
2:04:37
could easily spend several hours most days.
2:04:41
Speaker 2: Wow.
2:04:42
Speaker 1: Most people treated correspondence as a regular daily or weekly task,
2:04:46
similar to a modern email block, accepting that it would
2:04:49
take a significant chunk of their time. Wow. I mean,
2:04:54
how important was the fucking mailman back then?
2:04:56
Speaker 2: Everything. Everything.
2:05:00
Speaker 1: That guy was everything.
2:05:01
Speaker 2: Everything.
2:05:01
Speaker 1: Some dude on a horse with a fucking bag of letters. Nuts.
2:05:07
For a quarter. I mean, how much did they charge?
2:05:10
A quarter was a lot of money back then. Probably
2:05:12
was less than that.
2:05:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably half a penny or something if they had a... Well,
2:05:16
they did have a half penny.
2:05:17
Speaker 1: How much do you enjoy writing that kind of a
2:05:20
show versus writing a show like Lioness or like Landman?
2:05:24
Do you have a favorite or do you like.
2:05:26
Speaker 2: All of them? No, I can't save... I have a,
2:05:30
I have a favorite necessarily, you know, the fun thing
2:05:33
about lioness, which is sort of, I can't say it's
2:05:38
ripped from the headlines cause I don't, I've tried to be, um,
2:05:44
I've tried to guess what's going to happen politically and
2:05:47
then fictionalize that. Um, and the fact that I've managed
2:05:50
to be right, it's pretty fucking wild. I thought surely
2:05:55
in season two, when I, when I said that the
2:06:00
cartels had been listed as terrorist organizations, I'm like, this
2:06:04
could be my 18-month cancel vacation coming. And then it
2:06:09
fucking happened. And then it came out, and the show
2:06:12
came out within weeks of that, and I looked really.
2:06:16
Speaker 1: Like a soothsayer.
2:06:19
Speaker 2: So it's a lot of fun because it's so political,
2:06:21
and it doesn't choose a political side. It just looks
2:06:25
at the tradecraft of and how it's intermingles with our
2:06:31
military and it's just fascinating shit to me. Just fascinating.
2:06:36
Speaker 1: But there's so many different things that you have to
2:06:38
be aware of to write the shit that you write.
2:06:41
You know, like is the Harrison Ford one 1923? That
2:06:45
one is fascinating too because you got the guy who
2:06:48
goes off to Africa and he comes back and you
2:06:51
got all these people that are trying to steal land.
2:06:53
So it's not totally lawless but it's on the border
2:06:56
of lawlessness.
2:06:57
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:06:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're watching, you know, Montana in the 20s was fascinating.
2:07:01
It was a fascinating place because you've got the 20th
2:07:04
century of the Industrial Revolution in full swing. And you
2:07:07
have washing machines and refrigerators and telephones and electricity. And
2:07:11
then you still, you're still traveling by horseback.
2:07:14
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:07:16
Speaker 2: So very, very interesting. And so that's a really fun thing.
2:07:22
To explore.
2:07:23
Speaker 1: That one dude who was the evil rich guy on
2:07:25
that show. Oh, yeah. Fuck, he killed it.
2:07:27
Speaker 2: Tim Dalton.
2:07:28
Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
2:07:28
Speaker 2: That's right.
2:07:29
Speaker 1: Tim Dalton. Who was Bond at one point.
2:07:32
Speaker 2: Yeah. Crazy.
2:07:33
Speaker 3: Yes.
2:07:34
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:07:34
Speaker 1: My God, did he play a good fucking creep.
2:07:37
Speaker 2: Twisted.
2:07:38
Speaker 1: So good. Yeah. I forgot that it was Tim Dalton.
2:07:41
That's how good it was.
2:07:42
Speaker 2: Yeah. My wife watched that and looked at me like,
2:07:46
how'd you think that shit up, dude? Like, I got
2:07:49
the side eye for a couple of scenes. Where she's like, bro,
2:07:52
what are you thinking?
2:07:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a couple of scenes I wondered myself. I
2:07:57
was like, this is rough.
2:07:58
Speaker 2: I was like, that's evil.
2:08:00
Speaker 1: Some of the S & M stuff is like, Jesus Christ.
2:08:02
Speaker 2: Pretty twisted.
2:08:03
Speaker 1: But there's people like that in the world. 100%.
2:08:06
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'll tell you what, my computer, I just assume
2:08:11
that the CIA and FBI have like a whole team
2:08:14
because the shit I look up when I'm researching, how
2:08:18
to make a bomb. S & M practice. CIA hot
2:08:23
regions in the Middle East, and it's all at once, right?
2:08:26
Speaker 4: Yeah.
2:08:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no way they're not looking at your phone.
2:08:30
Speaker 2: No, they're looking at it going, Taylor's writing something new.
2:08:32
Look at this.
2:08:33
Speaker 1: I think anybody that has any influence, they probably look
2:08:35
at your shit no matter what anyway, which is also dark. Like,
2:08:39
we don't even know how much actual real spying on
2:08:42
people is occurring. We're just guessing.
2:08:45
Speaker 2: No, we don't have any idea. I think... Within the
2:08:49
world of tradecraft, a tremendous amount.
2:08:52
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
2:08:53
Speaker 2: I think within the world of, I mean, within that world,
2:08:56
I think.
2:08:57
Speaker 1: When you're writing that, how difficult is it to really
2:09:01
keep your finger on the pulse of what's actually going
2:09:04
on with espionage and like what tools they actually have available? Like,
2:09:10
are you making some up?
2:09:12
Speaker 2: No, I mean, most of the, I mean, I'm sure
2:09:15
there is some extremely high tech. tradecraft going on, right?
2:09:19
For sure. Tracking devices and various things, satellite imagery, facial recognition,
2:09:25
all of these things. But a lot of it's also
2:09:27
very low tech by design because it's harder to trace, right?
2:09:34
And it's a lot of leverage and manipulation. You're either
2:09:40
bribing someone with money or blackmailing them. And that's typically,
2:09:44
those are the two tools that are being used the
2:09:47
most um, in trade craft and, and, and the spy game, right?
2:09:52
That's really, you're, it's leverage, leveraging individuals and they're all
2:09:56
doing it. Everybody, right? Every single. And then if you
2:10:00
look at some of the, and again, I'm not getting
2:10:02
on any, uh, completely apolitical, but from a trade craft standpoint,
2:10:09
what the Mossad was able to do with all those
2:10:12
fucking cell phones and pagers and shit, like you want
2:10:15
to talk about play the long game. Like, build this
2:10:19
dummy company, sell all these, get all these devices to
2:10:23
all of these people who are your enemy, and then
2:10:26
start setting them off years later to detonate. Insanity.
2:10:32
Speaker 1: I mean, it's genius. It really is.
2:10:35
Speaker 2: Insanity.
2:10:36
Speaker 1: Not endorsing it, but just saying. No, but if you-
2:10:38
The actual act of doing it, incredible.
2:10:41
Speaker 2: To look at the patience and the planning and the
2:10:43
risks and that they were able to execute- That is shocking.
2:10:51
Speaker 1: When you saw that in the news, did you think,
2:10:53
if I wrote that, no one would fucking buy it?
2:10:56
Speaker 2: Dude, I do that all the time with the news.
2:11:00
The Maduro raid. If I had written that... Right, right.
2:11:04
No one would.
2:11:04
Speaker 1: Right, they'd be like, that's too simple. Get the fuck
2:11:06
out of here. That's not how it goes down.
2:11:08
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:11:09
Speaker 1: Even the bin Laden raid, a helicopter crashed.
2:11:12
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the fact that they were able to...
2:11:15
And I know it wasn't as... Smooth as it was
2:11:18
led on to be, but the fact that no one died,
2:11:21
not an American invading the Venezuelan military base in the
2:11:29
middle of Caracas, it's fucking insane.
2:11:31
Speaker 1: It seems like it went pretty smooth. Do you think
2:11:33
it went less smooth than they're saying?
2:11:34
Speaker 2: I'm sure that there's elements of, like, I'm sure, right?
2:11:39
I don't know how many, the one thing I've learned
2:11:41
with all my research into the military is any of
2:11:43
these operations, there's actually a line. In the upcoming line
2:11:48
is where someone says, did it go smooth? And the
2:11:51
guy says, well, smooth as these things go. Right. Because
2:11:54
that's because just by the very nature, you start sticking
2:11:56
a bunch of people in helicopters with guns and, you know,
2:12:00
shit's going to happen. Right. But the fact that there
2:12:03
were no casualties, that no one was killed, no American
2:12:05
was killed is incredible.
2:12:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is incredible. It's pretty groundbreaking.
2:12:11
Speaker 2: Like.
2:12:11
Speaker 1: This is like a new benchmark for what could be
2:12:14
possible in terms of an invasion, at least of a
2:12:16
third world country. It's just shocking the difference in the
2:12:20
technology that the United States possessed versus them and whether
2:12:25
or not they were even available. That's no new brother
2:12:27
that that stuff was available.
2:12:29
Speaker 2: Yeah. War is going to change very, very quickly. Um,
2:12:34
with drones, AI and drones are going to alter the
2:12:38
landscape of war. Um, We're getting real close to some
2:12:42
Terminator shit. Yeah. And I'm not saying that like it's
2:12:44
a good thing. No. It's a very, very... You talk
2:12:50
about adolescence of us as a species. We're seeing an
2:12:56
adolescence in the teenage years of a new type of warfare.
2:13:01
And when it grows up, it is going to be
2:13:03
a beast.
2:13:05
Speaker 1: A beast. And I.
2:13:09
Speaker 2: Just think about it. You can– now they've got drones
2:13:12
that are the size of airplanes. They can have a
2:13:14
payload that is devastating, right, beyond just simply a predator
2:13:18
drone that's got a couple of hellfire missiles or whatever
2:13:21
it may have. And someone sitting in a connex in
2:13:25
the desert in Nevada can fly that thing halfway around
2:13:27
the world or don't have anyone fly it, preprogram it,
2:13:32
and the thing flies itself. And that's– give the drone
2:13:37
a mission. And send the drone off to do the
2:13:40
mission and it's fully automated.
2:13:43
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:13:44
Speaker 2: That's some terrifying shit.
2:13:45
Speaker 1: I bet that's a lot of what this UAP shit
2:13:47
is too. I bet it's experimenting with that type of
2:13:50
technology with some sort of a novel propulsion system. Because
2:13:54
they were working on novel propulsion systems way back in
2:13:56
the 50s and the 60s. They were working on anti-gravity
2:14:00
in the 60s.
2:14:02
Speaker 2: I don't think we're there.
2:14:03
Speaker 1: I don't know.
2:14:05
Speaker 2: I don't think we're there.
2:14:06
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know where we're at.
2:14:09
Speaker 2: I don't either.
2:14:09
Speaker 1: I don't know where we're at, but I'm not convinced.
2:14:11
I'm not convinced that they haven't done something. In fact,
2:14:14
Eric Weinstein makes some really interesting connections between– there's a
2:14:20
college in upstate New York, a university in upstate New
2:14:23
York that has a very overqualified physics department and it's
2:14:27
connected to a hedge fund that does bigger than Bernie
2:14:30
Madoff type numbers. And he's like the whole thing stinks
2:14:34
to high heavens. And he goes, I have a feeling
2:14:36
that there's some sort of an undisclosed or a top
2:14:40
secret above– top secret access program that's going on.
2:14:45
Speaker 2: Oh, I can promise you there's something.
2:14:47
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:14:48
Speaker 2: I've always thought a possible solution to petroleum as far
2:14:55
as transportation goes, and I wonder why they've never tried it,
2:14:58
is using magnetic force. Right? If you have– You take
2:15:04
a positive and negative charge, they're going to come together.
2:15:07
But if you take a positive and positive or negative
2:15:09
and negative, they're going to– I'm no fucking scientist, but
2:15:12
it's going to repel, right? We've taken magnets and they
2:15:15
push each other away. Well, how can we not use
2:15:18
that if you had a vehicle and the base of
2:15:23
it is essentially a positive charge or a negative, whatever
2:15:26
it takes to make the magnets repel, and then your
2:15:30
road base was essentially– The similarly charged metal, wouldn't that
2:15:36
make it so much.
2:15:38
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you have to redo all the roads to make
2:15:40
something like that real?
2:15:41
Speaker 2: Or put it in the road.
2:15:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe. I mean it certainly could be a potential
2:15:46
source of transportation for the future. But I think the
2:15:50
things that they're doing now probably relates to some sort
2:15:53
of anti-gravity propulsion system. And then there was that– I'm
2:15:59
sure you're aware of this. All those scientists that went
2:16:01
missing or wound up being murdered.
2:16:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude.
2:16:05
Speaker 1: How fucking sketchy is that? Oh, it's a coincidence.
2:16:08
Speaker 2: From Los Alamos all up there at the nuclear– yeah.
2:16:10
Speaker 1: Coincidence. Yeah.
2:16:14
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:16:14
Speaker 1: Who knows? I mean who knows what the fuck those
2:16:16
people are working on and whether or not they made
2:16:18
breakthroughs and they don't want other people to know or
2:16:21
whether or not they want to stop the breakthrough because–
2:16:24
They're aligned with whatever the conventional propulsion systems are and
2:16:28
they don't want to lose money. This thing makes them obsolete.
2:16:31
They can set back the science for a few years.
2:16:33
Speaker 2: Or is it tradecraft? Is it Russian or Chinese or Iranian?
2:16:37
Speaker 1: It could be that easy.
2:16:39
Speaker 2: Oh, sure.
2:16:40
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing that Weinstein was saying. It's
2:16:42
like it's really shocking how little these incredibly important scientists
2:16:46
are protected.
2:16:48
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:16:49
Speaker 1: That is fucking– Driving their Volvo to the university and
2:16:53
working on top secret shit.
2:16:55
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:16:55
Speaker 1: And no one's making sure they don't get whacked by China.
2:16:58
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I'd be curious. And when they look into that,
2:17:03
what was it, 11 of them in a year?
2:17:05
Speaker 1: I think it was 15 over a course of a
2:17:08
few years. And some of them, people are going, oh,
2:17:11
this could be coincidence. But there's a few of them
2:17:14
where it's like, okay, these people– This lady was specifically
2:17:17
working on spacecraft metallurgy. This guy was specifically working on
2:17:22
cold fusion. This guy was specifically– like there's a bunch
2:17:25
of them where you go, OK. Something is weird. Something
2:17:29
is weird here. Enough to the fact that the government
2:17:31
is looking into it. OK. There might be something here.
2:17:34
The Justice Department is investigating it. They're trying to figure
2:17:37
out what the connection is and what could have happened.
2:17:39
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:17:40
Speaker 1: You know, it's hard after the fact to try to
2:17:42
figure out who did something, especially if somebody got hired
2:17:45
from another country. Like, they're not going to tell you. Like,
2:17:47
how are you going to know? You didn't catch him.
2:17:49
Did you not catch him? when they killed the guy? Okay. Well,
2:17:51
you're probably fucked.
2:17:52
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's 15.
2:17:59
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:18:00
Speaker 2: And they're all from that area. Aren't they Los Alamos?
2:18:03
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not sure. I think that's part
2:18:05
of the problem. It's like there's. Whenever you have a
2:18:08
thing like this where people start looking for connections, they
2:18:11
can make some connections that aren't necessarily valid. And so
2:18:15
let's say if there's 15, let's say 10 of them.
2:18:17
10 of them are bullshit.
2:18:18
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:18:19
Speaker 1: That means five aren't bullshit. If that's true, that's a lot.
2:18:24
It's five super fucking brilliant people that got whacked.
2:18:27
Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's interesting that you'd have that many in
2:18:32
this specific field in this period of time.
2:18:34
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:18:36
Speaker 2: And they're not– I would think of a scientist as
2:18:39
being pretty fucking healthy, right?
2:18:42
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. I think a lot of
2:18:45
them are just in their own head, you know, and
2:18:48
they're probably not even paying attention.
2:18:49
Speaker 2: To their body. Did they all disappear?
2:18:51
Speaker 1: Different people died from different things. And one of the
2:18:55
weirder ones was this one lady who was, I think
2:18:58
she's the metallurgy lady, where she was hiking with her friend.
2:19:02
And they were just hiking together, and the friend turned
2:19:05
around to talk to her, and she was gone. And
2:19:08
she was just behind her like 30 seconds before they
2:19:09
couldn't find her. They brought in cadaver dogs. They brought
2:19:12
in search parties. Never found her. And I think they
2:19:15
might have found her body recently. See, I think there
2:19:19
was a report a few days ago that they might
2:19:21
have found her body.
2:19:24
Speaker 2: I'd be looking real close at the friend. That's just me.
2:19:29
Speaker 1: That's a guy who writes scripts.
2:19:30
Speaker 2: So me and Joe went for a hike. I turned
2:19:32
around and that fucker's gone.
2:19:33
Speaker 1: Hey, I don't know what happened. I looked everywhere for him.
2:19:35
I mean, I swear I had just talked to him
2:19:37
30 seconds ago.
2:19:39
Speaker 2: And he's just not there.
2:19:40
Speaker 1: No sign of struggle. It's weird.
2:19:42
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
2:19:45
Speaker 1: Like a husband and wife go hiking and the lady
2:19:47
falls off the cliff. They're like, hey, buddy.
2:19:50
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:19:50
Speaker 1: What the fuck happened? You guys arguing? Can I see
2:19:53
your text messages?
2:19:54
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:19:54
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:19:55
Speaker 2: Yeah. Or the one that just fell off the boat.
2:19:58
Speaker 1: Oh, what happened there?
2:19:59
Speaker 2: I don't want to say it wrong, but I think she...
2:20:02
It was out in the Bahamas. I read about it.
2:20:08
Speaker 1: Was it a cruise ship one? No, no, no.
2:20:10
Speaker 2: It was him and his lady, and they're out on
2:20:12
a sailboat or something. Oh, and she fell off the side. Yeah,
2:20:16
something weird. They're not buying it.
2:20:19
Speaker 1: It goes all the way back to the Natalie Wood story.
2:20:21
You ever look into that one?
2:20:23
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. That's right. Her and... Walken and Robert Wagner
2:20:28
on this?
2:20:28
Speaker 1: Yeah. And Robert Wagner and her had a big fight, apparently.
2:20:33
Speaker 2: And then she just... Whoops. Yep.
2:20:38
Speaker 3: Not the same person as the metallurgy.
2:20:40
Speaker 1: Oh, which one is this lady? But she was one
2:20:42
of the scientists, correct? I believe she was one of
2:20:46
the missing scientists.
2:20:48
Speaker 3: She was definitely missing for a year.
2:20:50
Speaker 1: Which one was she?
2:20:51
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. I don't know which one, sir.
2:20:54
Speaker 1: What was her specialty?
2:20:55
Speaker 3: Doesn't exist. Missing lab worker.
2:20:58
Speaker 1: Does it say what you worked on?
2:20:59
Speaker 2: Nope.
2:21:00
Speaker 3: No?
2:21:03
Speaker 1: Administrative assistant. Yeah, I remember this lady. Yeah.
2:21:09
Speaker 3: The other one was, her name is.
2:21:12
Speaker 2: Reza.
2:21:13
Speaker 1: And the Reza one, that lady, she was the one
2:21:16
that has the, so she served as the director of
2:21:20
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory. And she was in the materials
2:21:24
processing group. She specialized in burn-resistant, high-strength metal alloys and
2:21:29
rocket propulsion metals. And wasn't she one that had, like,
2:21:33
some weird videos? What she had made? I don't know. Anyway,
2:21:39
the whole thing is creepy as fuck. Wow.
2:21:42
Speaker 2: She was hiking in the Angeles National Forest.
2:21:44
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:21:45
Speaker 2: Outside of Pasadena.
2:21:49
Speaker 3: Hmm.
2:21:50
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. That could actually be a fucking mountain lion.
2:21:53
Speaker 1: It could be. Or it could be a lady who's
2:21:56
working on top secret rocket propulsion fucking metals. Like, this
2:22:01
lady's a problem.
2:22:03
Speaker 2: Wasn't there some town, I want to say it's Arcadia
2:22:06
in California, the mayor of that city.
2:22:10
Speaker 1: Yeah. Arcadia.
2:22:11
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:22:12
Speaker 1: She was a Chinese spy.
2:22:13
Speaker 2: I would have to think if you're, how many people
2:22:20
have you recruited? That you finally go, well, fuck it,
2:22:23
let's try and get the mayor of Arcadia. We got
2:22:24
everybody else.
2:22:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, they probably, like, worked her into position to run
2:22:29
as mayor, you know?
2:22:31
Speaker 2: I mean— And then with the hopes of— she was relatively young, right?
2:22:37
Maybe you go run for a state rep and then
2:22:39
you run.
2:22:39
Speaker 1: For Congress and— Be the fucking president.
2:22:43
Speaker 2: There was a thing in the 70s called Abscam. Do
2:22:46
you remember this?
2:22:46
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:22:47
Speaker 2: Where there were all of these politicians— a few congressmen,
2:22:52
some state reps, and they were all, like, Russian spies.
2:22:57
Or at least on the take.
2:22:58
Speaker 1: Right.
2:22:59
Speaker 2: Right. All of them Soviet. Soviet spies.
2:23:02
Speaker 1: Did you ever see that show, The Americans?
2:23:04
Speaker 2: Uh-uh.
2:23:05
Speaker 1: I didn't either, but I heard it was great. It
2:23:06
was all about sleeper cell Russian family that was pretending
2:23:09
to be normal.
2:23:10
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's fascinating.
2:23:12
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's real. They did that. They really had Russian
2:23:16
agents pretending to be American citizens.
2:23:18
Speaker 2: Oh, I wouldn't say had. I would say have.
2:23:21
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
2:23:21
Speaker 1: No. Yeah. I think you're right. Yeah. And Chinese.
2:23:24
Speaker 2: Yeah. For sure.
2:23:25
Speaker 1: For sure.
2:23:26
Speaker 2: A hundred percent. Yeah. Plenty of them.
2:23:29
Speaker 1: A hundred percent. Yeah. Boy, how many Israeli agents are
2:23:32
in Hezbollah or in Hamas? Like, probably.
2:23:35
Speaker 2: Or in the IRGC.
2:23:36
Speaker 4: Yeah.
2:23:37
Speaker 1: Probably. They probably got a bunch of those guys in there.
2:23:39
Speaker 2: A hundred percent.
2:23:39
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:23:40
Speaker 1: It's just wild.
2:23:41
Speaker 3: Fucking.
2:23:43
Speaker 2: It's tradecraft, man. That's a fucking whole other thing.
2:23:46
Speaker 1: How hard is it to write about that stuff? Yeah.
2:23:48
And like get it right, to get it accurate.
2:23:52
Speaker 2: I mean you– I don't know. You speculate a lot
2:23:57
and you look at the past, right? Because there's been
2:24:00
enough– it's funny because when they get caught, it's never
2:24:03
that big a deal. Like there are always some– it
2:24:06
doesn't– for whatever reason, the news doesn't– we could pull
2:24:12
it up. There's been any number of Chinese scientists over
2:24:14
here and they were stealing this and they caught them
2:24:15
doing this. It happens all the time.
2:24:18
Speaker 1: See the ones that got caught trying to bring in
2:24:20
bio– they're trying to bring in– what were they trying
2:24:23
to bring in? Diseases or something? There's another one in.
2:24:26
Speaker 3: Vegas recently, but it's like they have these bio labs
2:24:30
that are like being run out of like an apartment
2:24:32
or something.
2:24:33
Speaker 1: CCP-linked bio labs in American soil exposes major biosecurity gaps.
2:24:39
Policymakers must act to improve oversight and biological research activity.
2:24:44
Wasn't there a guy that got busted that was an
2:24:46
Israeli agent and he got released and he took.
2:24:50
Speaker 3: That's the one I think was in Vegas.
2:24:51
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:24:51
Speaker 1: I was trying to pull that up. That's the one
2:24:53
in Vegas. Yeah. So this guy, he had all these
2:24:56
fucking diseases in his garage.
2:24:58
Speaker 3: 1,200 samples.
2:25:03
Speaker 1: That's– Conclusion of the FBI lab that the community could
2:25:07
not be harmed by what was contained in that lab.
2:25:09
Speaker 2: What?
2:25:12
Speaker 1: Finding possible biological laboratory in a garage. Inside, investigators found
2:25:16
refrigerators with vials containing unknown liquids. Police said in the
2:25:21
immediate aftermath, the home also operated as an unlicensed short-term rental.
2:25:29
What is this fucking guy doing? So the question is,
2:25:36
Why does somebody have these materials in a private residence
2:25:38
that's not a doctor, not a lab, not a licensed
2:25:41
medical facility of any sort? And then Homeboy got released.
2:25:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, but check out the names on some of the vials.
2:25:47
Speaker 1: Oh, boy. They located pathogen-labeled containers with labels such as
2:25:52
dengue fever, HIV, and malaria, along with 1,000 mice. But
2:25:58
according to a federal report, the federal government never tested
2:26:01
the items, and the CDC only made its determination based
2:26:04
on the labeling. What? Yeah. What the fuck? So in
2:26:11
that case, Chinese citizen David He faces federal charges for
2:26:15
allegedly manufacturing and distributing misbranded medical devices.
2:26:22
Speaker 3: He does not face charges.
2:26:24
Speaker 1: He does not face charges connected to the Las Vegas
2:26:27
raid and a trial in California was scheduled for April.
2:26:31
Speaker 2: What the fuck?
2:26:34
Speaker 1: Just a bunch of vials of HIV and AIDS and
2:26:37
fucking dengue fever and malaria. No worries. Jesus. Normal. So
2:26:42
what was the Israeli guy? The guy who owned the lab.
2:26:46
There was like an Israeli guy who they caught and
2:26:48
then they released him and he went back to Israel.
2:26:51
And everybody's like, hey. What?
2:26:56
Speaker 3: It's the same case, I think. It says feds dropped
2:26:58
case against man arrested in Las Vegas bio lab investigation.
2:27:02
Speaker 1: What's his name?
2:27:05
Speaker 3: Ori Solomon.
2:27:06
Speaker 4: Oh, Ori.
2:27:07
Speaker 1: What were you doing? Ori. Ori, why do you have
2:27:11
the HIV, Ori? There he is. Feds drop case against
2:27:16
man arrested in Las Vegas Biolab investigation. Yeah, I mean,
2:27:20
why investigate? Let it go, guys. No big deal.
2:27:24
Speaker 3: He was only charged with illegal possession of a firearm
2:27:27
in Nevada.
2:27:30
Speaker 1: His immigration status precluded him from owning or possessing a gun. Well, listen,
2:27:33
if he doesn't have a gun, how the fuck is
2:27:35
he going to defend all his malaria? People try to
2:27:37
steal malaria, bro. Gotta be careful.
2:27:42
Speaker 2: Oh, boy.
2:27:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, this doesn't... Seems like someone made that go away.
2:27:46
Speaker 1: There's too much fucking shit in the world to pay
2:27:49
attention to, and too much of it is so disheartening.
2:27:52
The more you look into it, the more you're like,
2:27:55
is it all fucked? Is the whole world fucked? Like,
2:27:57
what is going on?
2:28:00
Speaker 2: And, and my guess is because there are so many
2:28:06
different two things, right? There's so many different things. There's
2:28:10
no secrets with the internet and social media and phones.
2:28:13
Shit's getting out, but it's also getting out at such
2:28:16
a volume that none of it seems to have an impact. Right.
2:28:20
Speaker 1: Right. Right.
2:28:21
Speaker 2: So much.
2:28:22
Speaker 1: Right.
2:28:22
Speaker 2: Think about that in the 1990s. Right. They're talking about
2:28:26
that on nightline and this and that and meet the
2:28:29
press and That's news. But now it's just another.
2:28:37
Speaker 1: The news cycle's a flood. It's like you drop a
2:28:42
rose petal in the river while a flood's going by.
2:28:45
It's gone. It's here, it's gone.
2:28:48
Speaker 2: And it's a sensory overload and, and, and people are
2:28:52
tuning it all out.
2:28:53
Speaker 1: They're tuning it all out also because nothing ever gets done.
2:28:55
Nothing happens. And the more people like that get released,
2:28:57
the more people, they throw their hands in there. They'd
2:29:00
rather just watch sports.
2:29:02
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Just forget about it.
2:29:05
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:29:06
Speaker 2: Well, I can't believe Simon and Schuster didn't send you
2:29:08
my book. Yeah.
2:29:10
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know what happened, but I'll listen to
2:29:13
it on audio tape. I'm glad you did the audio
2:29:15
tape though.
2:29:15
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's important.
2:29:16
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:29:17
Speaker 2: Pull up the, you're going to, Fucking love it. It's
2:29:22
oddly entertaining and informative.
2:29:25
Speaker 1: How did you have the time to write a book?
2:29:28
You're writing 150 different TV shows.
2:29:30
Speaker 2: So you know what it is. Do you know anything
2:29:32
about it? No. Pull it up. I just want to,
2:29:35
I'm going to try and, I don't want to tell
2:29:38
you what it's called. I just want you to see
2:29:39
the title.
2:29:41
Speaker 1: How to Not Die in Prison.
2:29:43
Speaker 2: I told you you're going to like it. So here's the.
2:29:48
So here's the deal. So when I lived in LA,
2:29:53
there was a gym on Beverly Boulevard, right at like
2:29:57
Beverly and Sweetser. And everybody called it Buns on Beverly
2:30:00
because they had all the treadmills kind of right up
2:30:03
there and all the girls were there. And if you
2:30:05
get stuck in traffic, you're staring at all their asses.
2:30:07
That was my gym. So me and a buddy of
2:30:10
mine shared an apartment together and we'd jog down there
2:30:13
and work out every day. And there was this dude
2:30:15
that showed up and started working out in there. And
2:30:17
this dude was jacked, but different than like the West
2:30:20
Hollywood fit. Like this fucker was yoked and had all
2:30:23
these crazy tattoos on him. And we became kind of
2:30:28
like friendly and, and ended up kind of becoming friends.
2:30:33
And his name's Tom Nelson. And one day I'm like,
2:30:36
so what have you been doing? He goes, well, you know,
2:30:38
I'm going to start a personal, I'm going to start
2:30:39
personal training here. I was working over at the vitamin
2:30:41
shop guys, like in his forties. vitamin shop in your
2:30:45
40s that's kind of weird I said yeah um have
2:30:48
you always lived in uh California he's like well I've been.
2:30:52
Speaker 4: Here 19 years 20 years yeah yeah I said where
2:30:58
from somewhere in the southeast I said you always live
2:31:01
in LA he goes well no I just got to
2:31:04
LA see I've been in prison I said.
2:31:06
Speaker 2: Oh how long 17 years I said oh and I
2:31:12
didn't ask anything else right He does become a personal
2:31:16
trainer and I'd see him over. Well, one day we
2:31:18
have lunch and we're bullshit. And then I'm like, what?
2:31:21
Tell me the deal. He's like, oh, I was a
2:31:23
fucking criminal, dude. Like a criminal, like a real criminal,
2:31:26
like biggest drug dealer in Hollywood and armed robbery and
2:31:30
ran over a DEA agent. Like I was a fucking criminal.
2:31:33
But now, you know, when I was in, I discovered,
2:31:37
you know, fitness. I started working out and I'm like,
2:31:39
when I get out, I'm going to, you know, he
2:31:41
got himself in good shape. I'm going to start. this
2:31:43
is my passion. I'm going to do this. So he
2:31:46
was a trainer there for a while. And then he
2:31:48
opened his own personal training gym. And, uh, and I
2:31:53
would go work out over there and hang out with him.
2:31:55
He's a cool fucking dude. And, uh, and it became
2:31:58
the biggest private training gym in independent in Hollywood. So
2:32:04
I go off and I, I, uh, you know, I
2:32:06
start writing and, uh, I'm shooting Yellowstone and he reaches
2:32:11
out and he goes, Hey, I wrote a movie about
2:32:13
my life i'm gonna send it to you so he
2:32:16
sends it to me and i read it and it's
2:32:18
actually pretty good um but it's sort of a fun
2:32:21
90s kind of they don't make movies like this anymore
2:32:23
it's like we it's the rock but we're celebrating the
2:32:26
you know the guy the fucking criminal but it was
2:32:30
but it was good i said hey i'll pass it
2:32:31
on to some producers and but nothing ever happened with
2:32:34
it anyway so covid happens i'm stuck up on this
2:32:38
ranch in montana and i call him and i say
2:32:41
tom where do you get your gym equipment from? Cause
2:32:43
I need to build a gym cause we can't go
2:32:45
to a gym. I can't leave the ranch COVID restrictions.
2:32:49
The whole fucking cast is stuck on that ranch. And,
2:32:53
and he said, they shut my gym down, dude. So,
2:32:55
I mean, I'll sell you anything you want. So I,
2:32:58
I sent a flatbed trailer to LA and picked up
2:33:01
a pile of gym equipment from him and didn't, didn't
2:33:05
hear from him again. He calls me maybe 18 months ago,
2:33:09
two years. And I, and I answer and he's like,
2:33:11
Hey man, I don't, I'm in a bad way. I'm like,
2:33:14
what's the deal? He goes, fucking, he's a single father.
2:33:17
I got a five-year-old kid. I got fucking colon cancer.
2:33:21
I'm fucking dying. And I don't, I'm, I'm tapped out, dude.
2:33:24
I'm a fucking 60-year-old felon. I can't get a job.
2:33:27
I can't do anything. Is there any work on your
2:33:30
movies or, or anything that I could do? And I said, well, first,
2:33:35
colon cancer, how bad? Like, what stage? What's this? He goes,
2:33:38
I don't know. They saw it on an x-ray and
2:33:40
diagnosed me. And I said, well, let's, deal with that
2:33:43
shit first. So I fly him to Texas where I
2:33:46
know people and I get him in and he sees
2:33:48
a doctor. And fortunately the mass wasn't cancer. So they,
2:33:52
they help him out, do the surgery, get that done.
2:33:55
And then I say, well, I mean, I get you
2:33:58
a job in a movie, but it doesn't pay very good.
2:34:00
And the hours are shit. And you've got a five-year-old daughter.
2:34:03
I mean, you know, to just be a production assistant
2:34:06
or something is not going to pay enough to off.
2:34:09
It's not a great, that's not a plan, right? He goes,
2:34:13
you think you could like just spot me for a
2:34:15
few months while I try and figure shit out? And
2:34:17
I said, I have a hundred percent failure rate of
2:34:20
loaning money to friends. It doesn't work. Right. I'm not
2:34:23
a bank and buying you 90 days ain't gonna fucking help. So,
2:34:27
but let me think, let me think of something. And
2:34:31
so it doesn't take me very long. And I'm thinking,
2:34:36
here's a guy who spent 17 years in prison and
2:34:41
You know what I've never read? I've never read a
2:34:46
how to not fucking die, a travel guide to prison.
2:34:50
So I call him back and I go, I got it, Tom.
2:34:53
We're going to write a book about my life.
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Speaker 1: Kinda.
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Speaker 2: We're going to write a travel guide to prison for
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the accidental inmate, right? Somebody who fucks up and they
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end up and they don't know how to navigate this place.
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He goes, a travel guide. I said, I'm going to
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send you. So I bought a bunch of lonely planet
2:35:09
travel guide to Thailand and Mexico and And I said,
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look at these, right? It breaks it down. It tells
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you an overview of the country. Then it gives you
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a glossary of the terms. They teach you the language.
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They talk about the food. They talk about where you stay.
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They talk about navigating the country. We're going to do
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that for prison. And he goes, I'm in. I said, great.
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I'm going to write all the intros. I'll build the
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structure and walk you through it. And you're going to.
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So it's literally a travel guide to prison. And it
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walks you through day one. How to navigate the yard,
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being processed in, the food, the commissary, the gangs, the diseases,
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prison riots, how to get a job in there, how
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to fucking make a shiv, how to do everything. It
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is a tour guide to prison. How many pages? A
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couple hundred.
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Speaker 1: It sounds awesome. I hope I never need it. Most
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people who read it hope they never need it.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to guess 99% of the people who do
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read it. the one thing it'll do is tell you,
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you don't ever want to fucking go there. That's for sure.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: And typically if someone's going there, I even say in
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the intro, I'm like, if you're, if you're buying this
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book because you're going to prison, finish the book before
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you get to prison, do not bring this book with
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you to prison or you'll die on fucking day one.
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So leave the book at home. But yeah. So, so
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then we did, I took the, we, we wrote three
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chapters of it. I took it out. Um, and Simon
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Schuster read it. flipped and me and tom got a
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book deal so that's awesome so he you know he
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he was able to sit with me and we wrote
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it and he was able to take care of his
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kid and.
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Speaker 1: That's very cool yeah good good for you man for
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doing that that's really awesome that you did that because
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i know you're busy as shit like you having another
2:36:56
project on your plate not not fun probably that's awesome
2:37:01
that one was a lot of fun right yeah but
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not fun to take something else on i mean i'm.
2:37:05
Speaker 2: Sure you Yeah, but it was a very entertaining diversion
2:37:11
from my other– I can bitch about my other job, right?
2:37:16
Bitch about something on Landman or whatever and then I'm
2:37:19
going to sit down and, oh, we're writing about smallpox today. Okay.
2:37:23
There's some perspective. It's not quite so bad that Billy
2:37:27
Bob is an hour late to work, which he's never.
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an hour late to work, but you get my point. Yeah.
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It's a sobering thing. That's a broken system. You want
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to talk about a broken fucking system? Yeah.
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Speaker 1: The prison system is broken. I've had the guy on
2:37:43
from the Alabama Solution on. You know, the guy who
2:37:45
did that documentary on Alabama prison system. It's fucking heartbreaking, man. Heartbreaking.
2:37:53
Speaker 2: I used to be roommates with the guy that edited
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all of those locked up. He would go and film
2:37:59
those locked up. Remember those?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:38:01
Speaker 2: Go to Folsom and Corcoran and all these prisons. Just, dude,
2:38:06
it's rough and not designed to rehabilitate. Right. It's an
2:38:12
institution that guarantees you're a criminal. When you come out,
2:38:15
that's what you'll be. If you weren't a criminal when
2:38:17
you went in, which you clearly committed a crime and
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got convicted, but you're going to be a fucking criminal
2:38:22
when you come out. Like the people, the guys like
2:38:25
Tom who, I mean, there's an 80 something percent recidivism
2:38:30
rate in the U S. So for a guy to
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get out of prison and not go back to prison,
2:38:37
the odds are fucking four to one against you.
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Speaker 1: Like it's at least.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:38:43
Speaker 1: It's probably higher than that, right?
2:38:45
Speaker 2: I think it's 80-something percent, 86. Yeah.
2:38:50
Speaker 1: Fuck.
2:38:51
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's brutal. It's brutal.
2:38:56
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you wrote it. I'll read it. I promise.
2:38:59
Speaker 2: Listen.
2:38:59
Speaker 1: I'm going to listen to it. I'll listen to it
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in the sauna.
2:39:01
Speaker 2: There you go.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for everything, man. Thanks for all the awesome shows.
2:39:06
It's been great watching them.
2:39:07
Speaker 2: Dude, thanks for watching.
2:39:08
Speaker 1: You're the man. Appreciate you. Great to see you.
2:39:11
Speaker 2: Do we have time to talk about one more thing? Sure.
2:39:14
That UFC 250. Oh, man.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Justin Gaethje, dude.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just had him on.
2:39:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was incredible.
2:39:22
Speaker 2: I saw him. Remember when I bumped into you at
2:39:24
that fight in Vegas? That's the first time I'd seen
2:39:27
him live. And I go to a bunch of prize fights.
2:39:29
I love boxing. And I'm watching that guy. If he
2:39:32
had decided to be a professional boxer, his striking is
2:39:38
that level. Like, that dude... He went to work on
2:39:43
that guy.
2:39:44
Speaker 1: Now, he's a– I'm glad he's an MMA fighter because
2:39:48
he started out as an All-American wrestler in Division I.
2:39:52
He's like very– he's just a great athlete all across
2:39:56
the board. And just his particular style of aggression is
2:40:00
so well-suited for MMA.
2:40:02
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. It's just– It's shocking that he's that good
2:40:05
a striker and he was a wrestler.
2:40:07
Speaker 1: I know. He's– He's just a wild motherfucker across the board.
2:40:12
But for him to pull that off the way he
2:40:13
did at the White House was nuts. I mean, some
2:40:17
books had him a six to one underdog. And Ilya
2:40:21
Tepora is so fucking good. Yeah. He's so good. And
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he had him in sick trouble in that second round.
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I watched it again yesterday. The second round was brutal.
2:40:32
I mean, Ilya was just destroying his liver.
2:40:34
Speaker 2: Yeah. Almost put him down. Yeah. Yeah.
2:40:36
Speaker 1: But even in the second round, Justin still bloodied Ilya up.
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His face was busted up. Like he was getting the
2:40:42
most damage to Ilya's face. And that was a giant
2:40:46
factor in the fight because I don't know what the
2:40:49
accuracy of these reports are. But what's being reported is
2:40:53
that he had two broken orbital bones and a broken nose.
2:40:57
So both his eyes were broken and his nose was broken.
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And Justin was here a couple days later and he
2:41:02
looked great.
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Speaker 2: It's just nuts.
2:41:05
Speaker 1: It's just like– He's very deceptively good at rolling with shots. And,
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you know, he's fucking durable as hell. And just very clever.
2:41:15
Very clever in how he sets things up and where
2:41:18
he finds openings. And one of the things he kept
2:41:20
getting off is he does a collar tie into an uppercut.
2:41:24
And he got that off multiple shots. He did that
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with Fazeev, too. He's really good with that move. He's
2:41:30
a beast, man. I'm just so happy for him to win.
2:41:33
You know, I'm a giant professional. Ilya Toporia fan as well,
2:41:37
and I think he'll be back better than ever. And
2:41:40
I think sometimes a loss is, like, one of the
2:41:42
most important things a fighter can ever have because they realize, like,
2:41:46
you can be beat. And you need to know that
2:41:47
you're a human. You need to know that you can't
2:41:50
just throw caution to the wind sometimes and just engage
2:41:52
in these wild scraps. Sometimes you have to be a
2:41:56
little bit more tactical. And sometimes you've got to realize, like,
2:41:59
you can't take everybody out. And that's the case with Justin.
2:42:03
He couldn't take him out. And he almost did in
2:42:05
the second round. Got real fucking close. Real close. But,
2:42:09
you know.
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Speaker 2: That freaking Justin. He can time that transfer of power
2:42:15
to right at the end of the punch. And just
2:42:17
his hands are so heavy. Yeah.
2:42:20
Speaker 1: Everybody says that too. Everybody who he's fought has said
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he's one of the hardest guys that's ever hit them.
2:42:25
Including Khabib, who's one of the all-time greats. Said Justin
2:42:29
hit him harder than anybody.
2:42:30
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:42:31
Speaker 1: He's a fucking animal.
2:42:32
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was impressive.
2:42:33
Speaker 1: And the fight was like to be there at the
2:42:35
white house while that was going on and to have
2:42:37
Justin so happy. Like there's something about a guy winning.
2:42:41
Who's an underdog that is just so fucking inspiring.
2:42:44
Speaker 2: He didn't look like an underdog that night.
2:42:46
Speaker 1: No, he did not. After the second round, he didn't,
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especially the third. Once the third rolled around, he dropped him.
2:42:51
And then he, he, he, uh, got a head and
2:42:54
arm and snatched him down to the ground. I was like,
2:42:55
Holy shit, man. He's, He's fucking dominating them. This is crazy. Yeah.
2:43:00
It was wild. Wild watch.
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Speaker 2: It was wild.
2:43:03
Speaker 1: It was awesome, though.
2:43:04
Speaker 2: It was fantastic.
2:43:05
Speaker 1: Should have been there live.
2:43:06
Speaker 2: Man, that would have been a good one.
2:43:07
Speaker 1: Oh, it was crazy. It was crazy to be there live.
2:43:09
It just felt surreal. I mean, they had to fly over.
2:43:12
Speaker 2: I saw that. Eight jets come shooting over.
2:43:15
Speaker 1: Bro, they were like separated by like that far from
2:43:17
each other. I don't know how the fuck those guys
2:43:19
do that. It was incredible. Incredible. Incredible.
2:43:22
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:43:23
Speaker 1: That was awesome. Thanks, brother. Once again, the book is
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called How to Not Die in Prison.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:43:28
Speaker 1: And available now, audio book, everything.
2:43:31
Speaker 2: Yep.
2:43:32
Speaker 1: Thank you.
2:43:32
Speaker 2: Awesome, buddy. Thank you. Bye, everybody.