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Vegas Shoot nerves & content creation ft. Sheshootsxs · The Bow Disciples Podcast

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Oh, we're getting a lot done today.
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I like this. I wonder how long it'll take to
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edit that video. I'm excited for that.
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I'm going to bang it as fast as I can.
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It was so fun. Yeah, so fun.
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Yeah, it's going to be good stuff.
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You know, it was a good reminder for me that it's like this is
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it? Yeah.
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This is what we just stand here. We just.
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Yeah, Oh yeah, you have been talking about those shoes.
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They're the best, They're the best.
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I have AI have a pair too. Do you like that?
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But I'm like, they're expensive though.
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Sister has a pair of Ariots that are like exactly like that, and
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she never wears it. She's like, I'll just give them
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to you. They're my shooting.
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Shoes, I shoot really well in them.
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I don't know what it is, but like, do you ever feel like you
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like feel your feet moving? Yeah 100% That's why I like
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these I. Have a problem with these ones?
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Yeah, a little heel. I think that helps.
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Me like kind. Of stay on my toes a little.
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Flat, yeah, I have like, running shoes I'll shoot in sometimes
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and they're like a little bit too round, but these Vans are so
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flat that it's like you're just planted to the ground.
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So I made sure I was shot in these.
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But this is exciting, guys. We got a set of guests here.
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She shoots exes and Jared, 2 Legends, 2 legends.
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And this is a lot of fun because we've been trying to.
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I've been a fan of your content for quite some time because one
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of the things that I like to do is have a lot of fun and promote
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archery being fun. And I think you do a good job of
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that, you know, and I think it's impressive the videos you put
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out. And also you're really good.
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I mean, like you shoot, you've shot a handful of three hundreds
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today. You shot well second place. 2nd
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place today? Yeah, second place.
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Yeah, So what made you want to do archery content or even get
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into it initially? OK, so Jared and I lived in an
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RV for two years after our master's degrees in music, which
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was we were exhausted. So we're like, OK, let's do
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something totally different. Moved into the RV.
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Then after the RV, we did that for two years.
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We decided that we wanted to settle down and I started
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feeling like really anxious on the road, which I have never
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felt like an anxious person, which was, I mean, you were
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there like it was, I'd wake up like just anxious for.
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No reason when you live on the road.
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So there's a lot of uncertainty. There's like where are we going
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to, where are we going to get water?
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Where are we going to dump our tanks?
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Like there's you're always dealing with something.
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Where are we going to stay tonight?
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Like anyway? So I started feeling really
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anxious and I was like, you know what?
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Let's just move out because like, this isn't like me.
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I don't like this. So we moved out, got a house,
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and from there I was like, I need something to do.
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Like we're used to just hiking and doing all this stuff.
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And now I'm like, I'm just a loser who lives in a house.
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I just do nothing now. So from there, my dad has been
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doing archery for a while. And he was like, hey, like,
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let's do archery together. And like, this is fun.
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Like this is something I can kind of do.
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It's outdoors. I like active stuff.
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I'm very competitive, like, let's do archery.
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Sure. And so that's what got me into
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it. And from there, my first bow was
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actually a bow my dad had bought me when I was 12, but I hadn't
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really shot it very much. Yeah, it was a diamond. 320
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infinite edge. What a classic, what a classic,
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right? Brianna has one.
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Well, actually you have a, you have edge Max now.
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Yeah, Yep. Infinite edge.
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Yeah. Classic.
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Yeah. But anyway, so I got back into
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it with my dad after doing this RV life stuff, and then I got
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the Elite Basin and I would. Almost followed the same in
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December. I had the spirit, I've had the
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elite spirit. It's like a 1012 year old bone.
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Yeah, they don't make it anymore, but I started with
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diamonds that only lasted me like 3 months before I was like,
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OK, I'm I'm good enough that. This is not I like me.
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Yeah, like, OK, we're going to graduate whisker biscuits.
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Not it as much as everybody's like Whisper.
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Biscuits grey for the longest time called a whisker basket.
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I was wondering I'm like the whisker basket until someone was
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like I named. One of my dogs whiskey because I
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went around calling it a whiskey biscuit.
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I love. That a whiskey biscuit.
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So yeah, it was really funny because then I went to from
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there to an elite and then the elite spirit and then had that
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for till I met him and then got a Bowtech.
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Cool, Yeah. Awesome.
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So from there, so I had the elite and I think two months
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later I was like, I love this so much.
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I'm getting a target boat. So I'd only been shooting for
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about two months. I'm like, let's go target.
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Those are the best. My dad had one.
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And so and then it just went from there and I just practiced,
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practiced and I was obsessed. And yeah, you know what I think?
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I think it was an outlet because you were in music school.
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And if you're in there because you're competitive, like that's
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just who you are. Like it just drives you.
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And so like, I think being in the RVI lost that.
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And I actually think that's why I got anxious and that's why I
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had issues. It's because I just didn't have
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that like direction and focus. And it's a, it's a very singular
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focus, you know. Oh, and you just.
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All. All in yeah, it's it's just very
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different like the way a musician I guess is like how
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focused you are on, on any, whether it's one given piece of
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music or, you know, one given skill you're trying to practice
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or one solo or whatever it is like an archery is very, very
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similar to that. And so it, but it's like we're
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just talking about like there's so many pros and cons to having
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been a physician and then going to archery.
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And but then archery you can also start differently, like,
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and you started in your shooting where it's like I started and
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then went straight to hunting. Yeah.
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Like I picked up a boat, 2 hunts.
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And I feel like that's what most people, that's what most people
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get driven to. So like, yeah, I recognize that
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my path was a little strange, Like I just loved target
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archery. But I think that's.
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It's almost good or better I guess because it ingrains the
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like necessary positive skills so long as like you're learning
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it correctly, but it ingrains the necessary positive skills
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that make you a better hunter. Whereas if you start with
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hunching, if you don't have good, you know, friends that are
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teaching you things, IE such as my draw that James met me with,
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you know, you can learn some bad habits and, and you can either
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way. But you know, because this is so
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focused on just the archery alone, there's no other aspects.
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There's no being quiet, there's no scent, there's no stocking,
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there's no, nothing else. You, if you start with this, I
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think so long as you then get some good teachers in the
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hunting world, year 10 times better by being a better Archer
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first and a better hunter second.
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Oh yeah. But you do have to develop the
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having skills, otherwise, yeah. Well, and I will give credit, I
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couldn't have done this if I hadn't been to a pro shop off
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the bat, you know? So like my dad, he knew the
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path. Like he was like, we're going to
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take you to the pro shop, you're going to get a bow, They're
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going to show you your anchor point.
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And they did. And so I learned everything
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right the first time. Yeah, which is like, unique.
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I feel like most people who start archery are like, oh, like
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I did it since I was 8 and I was an S3-DA and I had a coach and
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blah, blah, blah. And you just kind of had these
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habits. I just didn't have that, you
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know? So I'm lucky for that.
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So this is your, your guys's second time doing Vegas, right?
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Vegas. So it wasn't at the same venue
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last year. Last year was the first year
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here. OK.
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So what was what was that experience like?
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Because obviously I'm, I'm doing that this year, but what, what
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was it like showing up here and just the amount of people being
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in Vegas, being on the Strip and then like the hustle and bustle,
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like what was the difference that you noticed year one
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between that and just shooting at the range like by yourself or
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with a couple buddies? So when I was here for my first
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year, I don't think I felt, I never felt any nerves on the
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line. So for me, I would wake up in
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the morning, I was like, this is real and I was stressed.
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But then it would fade. And when I got to the line, it
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felt good. And I wasn't really overwhelmed.
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I mean, it's just so friendly here, like you've seen it.
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And then once you shoot flights, it's just like everybody's there
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just doing their thing. So I was, I was pleasantly
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surprised or pleasantly surprised about how just cool
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everyone was. So I always, I always felt
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comfortable here. I feel like that's what I
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noticed today is I guess indoor. You think as a as a guy who shot
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3D and haunted my whole life, I shot a bow since I was like 3,
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but I've only done indoor. This is my first ever indoor
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competition ever. Not our league, nothing.
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So like, yeah, it's kind of crazy, but but like, I, you
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know, I think you are under the impression that it's going to be
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like super stale and quiet and golf claps and very rigid, you
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know, and everybody. 'S competitive like in
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competitive mode. And, and what's funny is like
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golf is not even like that. It's like what you think it is,
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but like when you're golfing, it's very fun.
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It's like you're cracking pops and badgering your buddies and
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like having a great time. And that's how this felt.
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This felt very fun to me. And I was unsure when we came,
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like, I don't know if I'll ever do this again.
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I'm like, this could be the end of our indoor chapter.
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But even just after today, I know I'll come back.
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All right? You know, because old because
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like you said, it's like it's it is fun and the energy is good.
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And weirdly enough, I actually felt more comfortable shooting
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on a line full of people than like shooting by myself at
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performance, you know what I mean?
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Like. We're just going to get packed
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in here, too. Yeah.
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This is like true. You're going to have a target on
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every single four targets on each bill like it gets.
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Yeah. And, and spectators, it's going
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to get. Yeah.
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So what I want to know is how do you feel about the timer?
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Oh my gosh, are. You are you best.
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Friends, I love it. I love.
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It I hated the timer really. When I first got here I felt so
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anxious. I felt like everyone was
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watching. Yeah.
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It's like no ones watching you. No one has.
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Yeah. Like that was my thing.
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And I'm totally over that this year, which I'm like.
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Yes, Yeah, yeah. What I yeah, what I love about
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the timer is when I shoot a nine, usually it's because like,
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I'll fatigue a little and I'll, I'll send one just out of the
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10. And if I have a timer right
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there and I'm paying attention to it, I'll pace myself and just
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set the bow down, stand there for 30 seconds and I'm chilling
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watching someone else shoot. Whatever you.
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Just kind of like. Yeah, I like to watch the person
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next to me shoot or watch the guy over there, like see what's
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happening and just then when it's time, pull up and shoot.
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But I've never practiced with a timer before.
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I knew that I shot fast, like so I know I have time to sell, but
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I always had either like a timer in my pocket or like now that
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it's visible, it's so easy to pace for me.
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When you, I think you learned about it when we went to Greg's
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and then, you know, then we started like he would go more
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often than not by himself to the range to just get his couple
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practices in a week. And then we really did like
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right before we left, I propped the phone up so he could watch
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it, see it and see like where he's finishing each shot in
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time. And when it was like, you're
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done with all three at like a minute 15, we're like, OK.
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Let's. Slow down.
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That was actually sub one minute.
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I was like 48 seconds a lot. It's just so much time.
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And so now I think the clock is so bad because he's such a fast
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shooter that like it's literally the pacer over there telling him
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no, I cannot shoot until this. You know, I averagely do better
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if I shoot at the 120 mark for my third shot and then the, you
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know, 48 second ish for my second.
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And that forces that little bit of like reset then to because
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you may not feel the fatigue, but then you draw and you're
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like, OK, let's just get it back.
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For me it's more mental fatigue. I don't know if you feel that if
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it's physical for you or mental, but for me it's like I just get
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tired for aiming. Like I need that space to just
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like relax and be like the same person again.
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For sure. And like, I think giving your
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eyes a rest too is a pretty big thing.
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Sit down, look at whatever and then get back into it.
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And like, I, I think that all makes a big difference.
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And I have noticed that shooting indoor makes 3D so much easier.
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But I've noticed that when I come back from like shooting
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outdoor back to indoor, it's like a harder transition to me
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to me to go back. Yeah.
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But indoor for me, like you go shoot outdoor it feels.
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Like a mental transition. I guess, yeah, it's like, it
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just feels. Like, yeah, it's easier, it's
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lighter, at least shoot outdoor. Yeah, it's just different and I
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think you're aiming at way bigger spots.
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When you go from indoor to outdoor, like you're 12 rings
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the size of like almost you're 10, not quite, but so it's it is
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truly easier in a sense to do outdoor, you're aiming bigger
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and whatnot, but then you go back.
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So like your mind I think is common in outdoor and then you
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come back to indoor and because your mind is so relaxed, you're
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inherently focusing or in inadvertently subconsciously
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focusing less than you at you were before you get outdoor.
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And so obviously it reflects in the score like he went, he shot
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his tournament won by an enormous amount and then came
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and shot. The next day we got home and
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went and shot around at the range and what he was like.
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It was not my best day. I felt a bit fatigued.
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But I wonder if it's not as much a physical fatigue between
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switching bows and as it as it is a mental one of like going
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from out something that's a bit more relaxed in my opinion to
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something that requires more dedicated mental focus.
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Yeah, you got to be super focused on indoor because it's
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like I look at it like I can't miss 10.
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And then when I miss one, it's like, oh, you know, bummer butt
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Jared, do you shoot 2? I have.
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Shot a little bit. A little bit.
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I have the elite basin that mentioned is now Smibow.
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There we go. But I like to tell people I
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shoot the videos and the photos. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He shoots. Photos he shoots.
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Do you think you would ever like get a get a rig and like
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actually give? It a give it a go.
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I'm doing it it's it's fun. I like the outdoor stuff better
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too so far. Do indoor.
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I know for sure that you would do outdoor.
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Never say never. I mean never say never.
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Line here but. The thing is, I'm like, it's
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fun. I I'm the backbone over here,
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you know, like somebody's got to bring the water.
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Someone's got to bring the. Snacks.
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Somebody's got to bring the snacks.
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Somebody's got to be, I want to say the hype man.
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But like with indoor, it's the Zen man.
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I'm like, hey Zen, that's. Such a true point.
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Well, at first I was like, we'd be driving to competition.
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I'm like let's turn on the tunes.
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I'm like get excited. And literally last competition.
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This is hilarious. On the way to Utah Open, it was
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like a 30 minute drive. It was meditation music for 30
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minutes, no talking. Yeah, I'm blasted Disney music
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in the car. We're getting like pulling into
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Vegas and James is like, okay, you can't, you cannot play.
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This I just get triggered. You just he tells me it's
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because I am. What do you call it?
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You like blackout when a songs on she'll start singing and it's
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like she doesn't hear anything you say.
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It's like bro, she's completely gone.
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Really is I'm completely. Completely gone saying.
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And he's thinking I'm not. And I'm like, I'm following the
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direction. Just finally I got off the right
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exit. What do you follow?
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The lights? I'm like, what did I do
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differently? So what so the meditation music?
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Is that your go to pre shoot vibe?
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Vibe is yeah, definitely just trying to chill because for me,
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I get really excited. You know, some people call it
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nerves. I like to just.
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It's excitement because at the end of the day, it's like you've
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done the practice, like you're here just to have fun.
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Because like if you have regrets, then you have regrets,
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but like most likely you've practiced so much that you
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don't. Yeah, for.
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Sure, At this point you just need to relax.
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And just trust that. Trust that the work you've done
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up till now, like you're not going to all of a sudden shoot a
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300 like the morning of for fun you get.
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Lucky you get lucky. You're going to like, you have
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to trust what you've done up to that point.
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The practice on the opposite and it you know, if whatever say
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your average is a 290-5296, then if you trust that and are
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confident, then why in the world other than if you keep thinking
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about the nerves when you then all of a sudden shoot a, you
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know, 285? Like, Yep.
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What's my statistical average? Hey, it's 295, so I'm going to
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be confident. Think at minimum I'm going to
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shoot 295 because that's good an average for me.
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But I think a lot of people come in like what James was talking
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about and he said it's completely different than what I
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thought. Like they come in with so much
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nerves thinking that this is going to be so high stress and I
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really have to be focused. And when you do that, you're
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only hurting your own self because that's not how you
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practice. It's so easy though, because.
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shoot off and spin the wink on my.
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Toys. All right, I love it.
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Where you see while you're here in Vegas, we hope you're
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enjoying yourself. I wonder if it'll be.
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Start the line again. Stand about.
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Do you think it'll be socially acceptable for me to crush tall
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boys at that social or what? Well, you know, yeah, I'm.
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Sure, someone will tell you. Yeah, someone will.
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But we don't go to those either. No TAC is the best.
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Have you guys been to 1? Never done any tac.
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OK. You guys are going to have to.
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This year we're hitting TAC. So when we're planning, you
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know. We're for sure, I think, going
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to go to the one in South Dakota.
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South Dakota. We're deciding TBD on Montana.
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OK, yeah, Montana, dude, that's a beautiful thing.
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Yeah. Oh my gosh.
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It's like the prettiest area I've ever seen.
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OK, so follow up question, yeah, would it be weird for someone to
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bring a Target phone? No, see, it's like OK, because.
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I'm seeing a lot, but you people do it.
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Yeah, not not very often, but people do it.
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And I. Figure out I'm like, Oh well,
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what? What bow do I want to bring?
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The only problem is like you probably can't shoot far enough
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with your target bow, so like you taking.
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That thing to reading this year, Oh yeah, we're going to do.
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It I can't wait for reading. It's going to are you going?
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Oh yeah, that's my bread and butter right there.
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Outdoor my first time. Oh yeah, no, well, I'm not
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reading itself. I've never been, but outdoor,
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Outdoor is what I do, Yeah. So you've never done reading
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either, No. They throw a big throw a big
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orange dot on every single target.
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It's like you don't got a I mean you will index but like there's.
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Not. You're not indexing.
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Find the orange dot. That's it.
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This is dude. My phone is wigging out Greg I
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thought he had a tripod for me, but I I'm unsure still we well,
19:03
we have a backpack tripod though Shout out to marsupial.
19:06
It's working great. Look at this sucker over here
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but. It is annoying me that the
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camera won't flip until you rotate the screen, but it's
19:13
fine. I know that I set it up right, I
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just had to look at it upside down when I walked away.
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We have a production talk on the pod.
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I love it. Our pod goes wherever it's
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conversational, which I like. We're not a interview space, you
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know, so we can conversate about whatever.
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But what I will say is my go to music is always Taylor Swift.
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Taylor Swift. I'm a Swifty though.
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Yes, I am a Swifty. Fate of Ophelia is my favorite
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joint right now. Oh my gosh, it's so catchy and
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she hates on her. I'm like, you're just being a
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SO. Do you do the dance?
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There's like a dance. Oh no, I need to learn it
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though. Yeah, we do.
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You see a reel of that? I am in, I am all the way in.
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So what's like the inspiration between beside a lot of your
19:54
guys content? Like are you coming up with
19:56
ideas or you or kind of a collection?
19:58
Definitely me, Jared. You did.
20:03
So we have another account called Jared and Kayla and we
20:06
did skits on there and that was like RV life.
20:08
That's what taught us how to do content outdoor good stuff, you
20:11
know, And he, he came up with a lot of funny skits on there.
20:15
But with the archery stuff, that's pretty much me and it
20:19
just hits. I don't know.
20:20
Yeah, it's fun. I like your.
20:21
Stuff like, let's teach someone about this, let's make something
20:23
funny about this. Normally I'm scrolling, yeah.
20:26
I don't hear something. I'm like that's.
20:27
We try to yeah, jump on trends or yeah, come up with the
20:31
original stuff. Yeah, I like the games that you
20:33
do because we actually sell archery games.
20:35
So we sell golf, baseball, beer pong and the battleship.
20:40
Oh, fun. And I love doing games because
20:41
they focus. You want to be competitive.
20:43
You want to do good, good time. It's so fun.
20:46
And and I I saw the one you did like what did you call the one
20:49
with the post it notes? Assassin.
20:50
Assassin looked fun. Oh.
20:52
Yeah, so fun. I would love to try Assassin's.
20:54
Over, you know, my favorite. Only one, though, still is the
20:58
balloon. Bingo.
20:59
Did you see that one? No, I don't think I did balloon.
21:01
Bingo is the best. So what you do is you cut out
21:04
all of these bingo numbers and you put them in a balloon,
21:07
right? Put all the balloons up.
21:09
In them before you blow it up. I would hate it.
21:11
It'd be like, wow, so. Then you put all the balloons up
21:14
on the wall and you all have a bingo card and you take turns
21:17
shooting and whatever balloon pops has the number that would
21:20
be so anyone can win, you know, So it's like if you have someone
21:23
who hasn't shot any balloons, oh, it's perfect.
21:26
And you? Guys, how many balloons did you
21:28
put up there? Like 50, Like 50.
21:30
They were like. The whole range was like tons of
21:32
balloons. It was so fun.
21:34
That's cool. And I think that that's one
21:36
thing going back to content ideas that she's trying to
21:39
accomplish, we're trying to accomplish is like shooting
21:41
should be fun. Yes, you know, and especially
21:43
for women to like she's doing these games at Ladies night,
21:46
just like get out there and have fun.
21:47
And there's so much like hunting and like men, you know, old
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lady, she loves doing. She does them every week.
21:54
Maybe we got to switch our move from Arizona to Idaho.
21:57
Yeah. Maybe we could do great things.
21:59
Oh yeah. That'd be fun.
22:00
Got to do Arizona first. It's in my.
22:02
Life. You know, but, but no.
22:05
After that I could go wherever. Yeah, I totally agree though I
22:07
think the fun element is the biggest thing.
22:09
And for us, I mean, doing the indoor thing and doing the video
22:14
series and coming out here was because I, I want people that
22:18
are like me who've only ever haunted and maybe done 3D, who
22:23
are like, I'm not going to go do that.
22:24
It's so boring. And like, that's wack.
22:26
Like, you know, and I think that's what a lot of people
22:27
think. But it's not like that.
22:29
Once you dive in and have fun, all it does is make you better
22:32
at those things. And it's still so much fun.
22:35
I had a great time shooting over there today.
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Like just as much fun. Yeah.
22:39
Just as much fun as attack or anything like.
22:41
That is actually really unique also is that you'll meet pros
22:45
here. Yeah, and they're just normal
22:47
people. Of course.
22:48
And you chat and they'll talk to you.
22:50
And that is, that is really cool.
22:52
Yeah, yeah. So talk to me about you got to
22:56
meet coach over there, Coach Joel, and he was helping you
22:59
out. How was that experience?
23:01
Because I'm sure it was probably your first time meeting, right?
23:03
Yeah, it is. So Joel is funny because on my
23:06
Instagram, I'll post videos and he'll like slide in there like,
23:10
well, Are you sure? Have you thought about this?
23:12
Yeah. And I'm just like.
23:14
Yeah. I think so.
23:15
I think I'm sure you know what I mean.
23:17
Yeah, I totally know. Chatted about that today and
23:20
it's great and he's so smart. Oh my gosh.
23:23
I'm like, you need to, you need to train me.
23:26
And not only smart coach, not only smart with his shot
23:30
process, which some people shoot that way, some don't, is what it
23:33
is, but he's also very smart with both setup and has helped
23:36
me a lot with that. That's what I need.
23:38
I need a wizard for my both setup.
23:40
Well, dude, I, I got to be honest, I had for someone who's
23:44
done indoor for a total of 6 weeks, I had like, I was so
23:48
fortunate to have like the most illustrious group of coaches.
23:53
You're like Paige Pierce fixing my bow.
23:55
Joel Turner called. Yeah.
23:56
Greg building my arrows like oh that wrong.
23:59
So I got really lucky, you know, but.
24:01
So if you like really shoot terrible, it's all you, of
24:03
course. And The thing is, like, we were
24:05
talking about this over there. I've never been a guy who, like,
24:08
blames equipment ever. I'm always like, it's always
24:11
it's me. If I miss, it's just me, no?
24:16
I definitely, I hate changing things.
24:18
I hate, hate, hate changing things.
24:20
Like I don't like experimenting with arrows even they're like,
24:23
oh, let's just try a different knock.
24:24
I'm like, no, I'm good. I'd rather not.
24:27
I just don't like it. Which I guess it's just normal
24:30
human, like we don't always have change.
24:33
And also in music, you know, I played the flute and it's like,
24:36
it's never the flute, never the flute's problem.
24:38
Like it's their tools. Yeah, exactly.
24:40
I do think you can set a tool up to help you.
24:43
Yeah. And like, I, I think that's the
24:45
idea, right? It's like, OK, maybe I shoot 90
24:47
eights a lot. Or what if I just changed one
24:49
thing on my bow and all of a sudden I shoot 3 hundreds?
24:51
Yeah, yeah. What's your personal best score
24:55
currently? My personal best is A323X.
25:00
That's great. Yeah, I was really happy.
25:02
What did that? 1st 300 feel like well the first
25:04
walk me through it. Oh, the first one was crazy.
25:07
So the first one I ever actually did was I was going to shoot a
25:10
450 game, shooting, shooting. And then before I knew it, I'm
25:14
like, Oh my gosh, like I just did a 300.
25:16
No, this 450 is now a 300. Yeah, like.
25:19
So did you stop or did you? Or you just realized you were
25:22
even there. Yeah, that's how mine was too.
25:24
So it was actually with Greg. It's on film and we were
25:27
shooting and I wasn't counting rounds or anything.
25:30
I was just banging middles. And then he's like up there, it
25:32
is your first 300. And I was like, no shit.
25:34
And I think it actually was a, I think it was 323 X if I'm not
25:38
mistaken. I think that was what it was.
25:39
And my, my best now is 327 X. So I got a little bit, little
25:44
bit to go, but I made a change on my clarifier that helps so
25:48
much. I mean, as far as the
25:50
visibility, what's the biggest? Have you had anything like that?
25:54
Like me finding a clarifier where it was like just one thing
25:57
that was like, wow, this is a lot better.
25:58
OK, so my first target bow was a PSC super focus.
26:03
Love that bow. It was great. 37 riser, which is
26:06
like a little big for me. I'm I'm a short little thing.
26:08
So I now shoot a 34 riser concept FX.
26:13
But when I got that bow, one of the bow techs was like, hey,
26:16
let's switch you to a lizard tuck.
26:19
I need to do. That that really helped.
26:20
Yeah, I want to do that so. That really helped, yeah.
26:23
So I just find that like it's just a little bit more spring
26:26
loaded. It was great.
26:28
Yeah, yeah, that's, that's one thing.
26:30
I definitely am going to switch. I'm going to get out of the
26:32
hunting, fall away. It was just what I had.
26:34
So we put it. On shot with that forever and I
26:36
did shoot a 300 LeBlanc yeah. So it's.
26:38
Like I know it's like nothing but a little.
26:41
I like how simple, I like the simplicity of something that's
26:44
not a fall away. And I also like how easy it is
26:47
to adjust. Like my fall away is kind of
26:48
tricky to like adjust. It's pretty limited.
26:51
So that's one thing I want to change.
26:52
And then when it when we're done with this, I think I'm going to
26:55
go to the smaller scope housing and and I'm going to play around
27:00
with the bars more because I haven't done anything to the bow
27:02
really. So I'm going to mess with that.
27:03
So what I think is tricky is like you got to be, it's like
27:06
process, not what is it called? Like when you're doing an
27:08
experiment, you you change one thing, like variables.
27:11
Yeah. Because like she just, yeah, she
27:13
mentioned that she got the the concept FX and the lizard tongue
27:16
at the same time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
27:18
And so, so you we can't say like, what was it the lizard
27:20
tongue or was it the concept of, yeah, good point.
27:22
You know, so you're like, oh, I want to change the limbs just to
27:25
do one thing. And then and then you can't
27:27
shoot it for one day. You got to shoot it for like,
27:30
you got to give it time. For, you know, right.
27:32
So I'm like, was it the bow? It could have been.
27:35
It could have, of course. Totally could have, I don't
27:36
know. Like most likely not.
27:38
I mean dude I have literally outdoor before.
27:41
I'm very rough on my stuff. My indoor bow is the bow I'm the
27:45
least rough on because it's inside.
27:47
But my hunting bow and my outdoor bow, I mean, I beat it
27:50
up and that thing has fallen on the ground who knows how many
27:52
times on rocks. I've I've walked on it on
27:55
accident. Once I was filming and I backed
27:57
up, literally just walked right over.
27:59
And it never, ever meant like it's just always as good.
28:02
So I'm like, bows are tougher, I think than people give them
28:05
credit for too. It's like my favorite excuse is
28:08
when you're shooting with somebody and they're having a
28:10
rough day and they're like, I, I must have bumped my side.
28:12
I'm like buddy, I don't. Think you did though, I think.
28:14
I think. Your question earlier is about
28:17
blaming the equipment. It's the easiest thing, yeah.
28:19
It's just the easiest thing to be like, oh, something's like
28:22
you don't want to take personal accountability.
28:24
Easiest fix as well, right? Like, oh, it turns out that it
28:27
was. Easier to change the equipment
28:28
that it is to fix you. Yeah, good point your.
28:31
Form your mental that you picked up on like and you learned it
28:35
from Paige a lot is that like there's nothing wrong with you.
28:40
Just change your verbiage. Instead of blaming the
28:43
equipment, experiment with the equipment.
28:46
So. You know, like go in and change,
28:49
like you said the wrong thing, but don't give it one day and be
28:53
like, oh, that just didn't work for me.
28:55
Give it like a three-week period of testing that whether it's a,
28:59
you know, moving your bar adjustment or it's changing
29:02
your. Site or whatever.
29:04
And then decide if you like it, don't like it.
29:07
If you do, then make your. Next.
29:09
Change. Until you find the.
29:11
Words for you. But if you're always, if you're
29:15
always like the mindset James used to have of like, Nope, it
29:19
can only be me, you're not finding what works best.
29:22
Yeah, you're kind of you're kind of limiting yourself a little
29:24
bit. So that was something, again,
29:26
something indoor taught me, you know, have you shot much 3D
29:30
stuff like outside? No.
29:33
Is that something you want to? Yeah, we're going.
29:35
Yeah, you said ready. For treaty is going to be.
29:38
Great going to you got a shoot attack, you have to, I'm
29:41
telling. You.
29:41
I will. Yeah.
29:42
I'll shoot the videos and the phone.
29:43
Come on, come on, come on. Pass the camera back and forth.
29:47
I think you should do it. You'll have so much fun.
29:48
But dude, TAC is like TAC is very much like this, you know?
29:53
And I don't think most people would make that comp, but me as
29:56
someone who's done a million tacks and filmed a million of
29:59
them and now done this, it really is similar because you
30:03
have tons of people that love archery and just having a good
30:06
vibe. It's it really is comparable.
30:09
I mean, obviously it's less physical, you're not getting
30:11
sunburned, you're not hiking, but like the vibe is similar.
30:15
Relax between the shocks because it is so vibe you can say from
30:22
target to target, so everyone just bantering and talking
30:26
behind you when you know you pull up to shoot and then after
30:29
that you're standing there for another 10 minutes, depending on
30:32
your group size while they all shoot that target because a lot
30:35
of them it's not possible to shoot all at once like you do
30:38
here. Like your window's this big.
30:40
So it's one at a time. And so it just teaches you to
30:44
like I I'd call it compartmentalizing.
30:47
And I think James does a phenomenal job.
30:49
Like you saw, like he can chat your ear.
30:50
You're all so impressed and then so impressed.
30:53
Arrow draws both focus and then go right back to jail.
30:56
You really, you can really just turn it on and off.
30:58
Yeah, I'm a little more like I got to like zone out, Yeah, to
31:01
kind of like get this in. I kind of messed with her one
31:04
time today so. Was it at the end toward the end
31:07
because I saw her do like a head tap or?
31:08
Something. Well, no.
31:09
So what happened was her and Towson were battling like neck
31:13
and neck. I think he was at the time.
31:15
He was ahead by 1. And I watch him miss one, right?
31:19
And I, she, she had just drawn back.
31:21
And I go, yeah. And then she hears me go.
31:24
I go, I go, hey, this is your shot.
31:27
I go. A lot of pressure, but you could
31:29
do it, you know? And she just goes.
31:31
And she did. She drained it.
31:33
And she did win, got second place.
31:35
So it was so much fun. And it was interesting too,
31:38
because we were shooting that match, all three of us.
31:41
And it's interesting because we're all joking around like
31:44
that was actually more pressure than tomorrow because more
31:46
people are going to watch. That then, you know what I'm
31:48
saying? I hadn't even thought about that
31:50
more before going to see, you know.
31:51
Joel Turner's watching. Greg came by.
31:54
People are like there and yeah, isn't that funny?
31:57
And I was shooting photos in the videos.
31:59
Photos in the videos. Yep.
32:00
So give me, give me your shooting.
32:03
What? What's your goal for the
32:05
weekend? Like what would you be really
32:06
happy if you finished the weekend and this is the score?
32:10
And if I could shoot a 300 here, I mean, that would be gold.
32:12
Yeah. I just want, I don't like
32:16
putting expectations on myself. Yeah, I want to just run my shot
32:20
process. Yep, Yep.
32:22
You know, because I find once I'm like, I have to shoot above
32:25
a 295, which I would say that's like normally I shoot above a
32:29
295. But like I settle there
32:31
sometimes. Yeah.
32:33
But I just find if I'm like being number oriented, I keep
32:36
track of nines too much. And it's like, Nope, we
32:40
practiced so that we don't have to keep track of nines, We don't
32:43
have to track our mistakes here. I think that is like the
32:46
smartest way to put it. And if you didn't even mean to
32:50
put it that way, but you did. So like Joel's whole business is
32:54
based around like mindset essentially and using the right
32:58
parts of your mind, the way you think their thoughts and
33:01
whatnot. And so if you're and then you
33:04
you kind of add that to like Paige had said they were, they
33:07
were up there filming and James shoots and he goes, yeah, I
33:10
just, you know, he kept like doing something and he goes, I
33:12
just told myself, don't shoot high.
33:14
And she goes, So what did you do?
33:16
He goes, well, I shot high. She goes because you said your
33:18
mind doesn't register the what you want it to do and register
33:21
what you told it not to do. And so that's all it's thinking
33:24
about. And you don't even realize your
33:25
mind is dude because you use such a small portion of your.
33:28
Brand and people do it all the time, too, Like someone just
33:31
shot an 8, They come back to you and they're like, I just shot an
33:33
8, you're going to shoot another.
33:35
Yeah. So don't even admit it.
33:36
Yeah. So to think.
33:38
One shot at a time. So to think, you know, when you
33:41
ask the question like what, what would be your expectation for
33:44
yourself for the weekend, what you want to do?
33:46
And so if you've set that in your brain, you're concreting it
33:49
almost. Whereas if you just do the
33:52
drill, just do the drill of my goal is to just shoot my
33:56
repetitive process. Because if you can walk away and
34:00
say, hey, all 90 arrows this weekend was my process, well
34:05
then that's the best goal. That's the best score you could
34:07
have. Because everyone.
34:10
Was. Whereas and that could be a 300
34:14
because you've already shot 300 before, but if you set it up to
34:17
95, you're not even thinking about a 300.
34:20
Your brain constantly keeps saying 295.
34:22
It's head. Well, and that's the trick,
34:23
right? Because when we're playing our
34:24
game, we're doing our shoot off and you know, you're like, OK,
34:27
this arrow really matters. It's like.
34:30
We don't care. Doesn't matter any more than the
34:32
other ones. Exactly.
34:32
Yeah, so like all that matters is just running and shooting how
34:36
you shoot. Yep, that's it.
34:38
Eliminating the brain, just like you know who you are and where
34:41
you're at. Yeah, I I totally agree.
34:43
And yeah, I'm super happy we got to shoot together this morning.
34:47
That was awesome. I had a great time.
34:49
Can't wait for people to see the video.
34:52
And yeah, I'm excited to watch you shoot this weekend.
34:55
I, I think you're going to crush it.
34:56
I I'm excited to hang out with you guys and watch you shoot.
34:59
And I appreciate you guys doing the pod.
35:01
Oh yeah. Yeah, such a blast.
35:02
So be sure to subscribe to her channel.
35:05
She shoots XS also on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook I believe.
35:10
And yeah, she got cool stuff, really, really good stuff.
35:13
So check it out and stoked to do more with you guys in the
35:16
future. You guys are awesome.
35:17
Thanks. Thank you all.