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White Sox checkup with Chuck Garfien + Marlins updates with AJ Ramos · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Hey, they're a fun watch.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, since Chuck off, Ryan has gone through the tough
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  Speaker 2: times Chuck, so this is where you really enjoy watching
• 0:18
  Speaker 2: a late inning game go in the favor of the
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  Speaker 2: White Sox and their rookies. Great to have you on man,
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  Speaker 2: perfect timing too. Hey, we set this up before we
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  Speaker 2: saw what Montgomery did take us through.
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  Speaker 3: How fun it's.
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  Speaker 2: Been and how different it is than the conversations we
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  Speaker 2: had the last three years of our existed.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, by the way, great to be back with you,
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  Speaker 4: and great to be not talking about me crawling out
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  Speaker 4: of the postgame set, Ozzie Geehan not sitting on a
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  Speaker 4: cactus because he was in so much pain. Yeah, this
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  Speaker 4: has been a complete turnaround and quicker than I think
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  Speaker 4: anybody really could have expected. What's amazing. There's so many
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  Speaker 4: things are amazing about this team. I'll start with this.
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  Speaker 4: They've had twelve different players make their major league debuts
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  Speaker 4: this year. Most of them have had big impacts. And
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  Speaker 4: when you hear twelve guys making their major league debuts
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  Speaker 4: and we're only in the middle of June, not even
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  Speaker 4: the middle of June, you normally are talking about a
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  Speaker 4: team in last place. It's under five hundred and yet
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  Speaker 4: that team that we're talking about here is winning and
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  Speaker 4: beating good teams. They just beat the best team in baseball,
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  Speaker 4: the Braves, and it's of all people, Bradon Montgomery a
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  Speaker 4: walk off home run in the tenth off of Rasil Iglesias,
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  Speaker 4: who'd only given up two runs all season. There is
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  Speaker 4: something happening with the White Sox, and it's been so
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  Speaker 4: much fun to watch.
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  Speaker 5: Garfinkel. First of all, let's get in. Let's get into
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  Speaker 5: something right here.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, of course I was waiting. Bring it on.
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  Speaker 5: What do you got aj No, no, no, I'm happy. Listen.
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  Speaker 5: I've been happy. I've been talking this team up for
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  Speaker 5: weeks now, So I'm happy that the White Sox are
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  Speaker 5: playing well. They're fun to watch, they're fun to tune into.
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  Speaker 5: But my question is, yes, you mentioned all this. They
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  Speaker 5: you mentioned how they're doing all these debuts, and they've
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  Speaker 5: made some great trades, and the trades have worked out
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  Speaker 5: at The Crochet trade obviously is off the charts with
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  Speaker 5: all four of them making their debuts and being a
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  Speaker 5: piece of this team. Is this a case of them
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  Speaker 5: being in the right division, because the American League, honestly,
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  Speaker 5: ain't that good. We've had this discussion all year pretty much. Yes,
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  Speaker 5: they're ahead of their pace, but they just have a
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  Speaker 5: confidence now. And that's the one thing I tell I
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  Speaker 5: say all the time is if you get a team,
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  Speaker 5: especially a young team, and they gain confidence, they can
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  Speaker 5: carry that along ways. So is this the case of
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  Speaker 5: them just being super confident and a combination of the
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  Speaker 5: American League, especially the Central not being very good.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you can only play the teams that you're facing,
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  Speaker 4: and right now, if you're looking for some competition, they've
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  Speaker 4: got it. They just played the Phillies in Philadelphia. They
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  Speaker 4: lost two of three, but they fought every game. They
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  Speaker 4: could have won any of those games. They lost two
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  Speaker 4: of three. They just beat the Braves. After the Braves,
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  Speaker 4: who comes to town the Dodgers. After that they go
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  Speaker 4: the Yankees. Then they've got the Tigers, followed by the Guardians.
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  Speaker 4: So this stretch right here, if you want to see
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  Speaker 4: what the White Sox are made of, like really made of,
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  Speaker 4: right now, you're gonna get to see it. And what
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  Speaker 4: I'm finding is, and I think I'm going to see
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  Speaker 4: more of it, that there is a collective chemistry that
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  Speaker 4: this team has that they really feel and it sounds
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  Speaker 4: like a cliche, but you guys played the game. Sometimes
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  Speaker 4: you just have it. You have a belief, you have
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  Speaker 4: the confidence, and you looking up and down this lineup, anybody,
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  Speaker 4: anybody can beat you. And you might look at their
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  Speaker 4: numbers and say, well, you know, Derek Hill's not doing great.
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  Speaker 6: Well, he's got big hits.
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  Speaker 4: Randall Gritchik they signed from the Yankees when they let
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  Speaker 4: him go, huge hits. He's got like six home runs,
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  Speaker 4: fifteen RBIs and up and down the lineup, guys are
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  Speaker 4: getting the job done. The pitching has been up and down,
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  Speaker 4: but it seems like on the days when the pitching's
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  Speaker 4: not there, there's the offense to pick up the slack.
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  Speaker 4: So I do think this is sustainable. And when you
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  Speaker 4: have enough guys contributing all over the place, when you
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  Speaker 4: go into slumps or players going to slumps, so there's injuries.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the White Sox don't have more comedy right now.
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  Speaker 4: They don't have t they haven't had them all year.
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  Speaker 4: Colson Montgomery didn't play yesterday. Jacob Gonzalez, another guy making
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  Speaker 4: his major league debut.
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  Speaker 6: Like two weeks ago, batted forth. He had two hits
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  Speaker 6: and a walk yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: It seems like everyone who comes up they're just feeling good, comfortable, confident,
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  Speaker 4: and that's giving them wins. So I think it matters. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: the al is wide open and the White Sox are
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  Speaker 4: just taking advantage of it.
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  Speaker 6: Why not I like it.
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  Speaker 5: By the way, I hate that, Oh they fought hard,
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  Speaker 5: they still lost, Chuck, I hate that. Oh what a
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  Speaker 5: whiff we come in. You fought hard, guys, and we
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  Speaker 5: still lost. It still sucks. So yes, I understand why
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  Speaker 5: that's a positive. But we're over the course.
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  Speaker 6: Of a season. You're not gonna win anymore.
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  Speaker 5: The White Sox are contenders. That was when they were
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  Speaker 5: losing one hundred games. Oh look at the way they fought.
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  Speaker 5: They're contenders now, Chuck, so we lose the man. The
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  Speaker 5: moral victories are no more. It's about winning games. And
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  Speaker 5: that's what I.
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  Speaker 6: Wasn't saying that.
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't saying any art yuh No, I know it's not.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not saying these are moral victories. What I'm saying
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  Speaker 4: is even in the games that they lose, Like I'm
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  Speaker 4: seeing the team that won yesterday, in the games that
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  Speaker 4: they lose, I'm seeing that same team out there. They
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  Speaker 4: might lose the game I'm not saying it's a moral win.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like consistently, you're seeing this team that
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  Speaker 4: won and came back last night even though they lost
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  Speaker 4: against the Phillies. Uh, there's a there's a crazy series.
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  Speaker 4: Uh the Phillies would score and the White Sox would
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  Speaker 4: come right back. And that's what I'm trying to say,
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  Speaker 4: that fight that I think in the end makes them
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  Speaker 4: a winning team.
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  Speaker 5: Is David Smartin enough, Davis Martin, Sean berke K, Is
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  Speaker 5: this starting rotation enough? I mean they use a lot
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  Speaker 5: of openers, They're trying to mix and match, right. How
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  Speaker 5: much help do they need on the pitching end to
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  Speaker 5: get this team into postseason and maybe be a little
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  Speaker 5: bit dangerous if they get there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a big question mark and a great question
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  Speaker 4: because I don't know. Because everyone in this rotation, even
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  Speaker 4: Eric Fetti, who has had some big time struggles, had
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  Speaker 4: big time struggles in May. He started yesterday needed an opener.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not saying he needed it, but they gave him
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  Speaker 4: an opener. And so everyone's had their stretches where they're good,
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  Speaker 4: and then they have stretches other than Davis Martin's coming
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  Speaker 4: off a rough start, but everyone's had those stretches of
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  Speaker 4: like is he going to be good enough to carry
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  Speaker 4: the White Sox all the way and help them get
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  Speaker 4: into the playoffs?
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  Speaker 6: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Then there's some question marks about like Noah Schultz, when's
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  Speaker 4: he coming back? Tanner McDougal, a guy in the system
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  Speaker 4: they really love. He got banged up and he's going
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  Speaker 4: to be throwing off a mount to the end of June,
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  Speaker 4: hopefully in a game. And Shane Smith, their opening day starter,
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  Speaker 4: he's trying to come back. So there's some question marks
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  Speaker 4: of guys who are hurt right now. But if you
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  Speaker 4: ask me, as we look ahead of the trade deadline,
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  Speaker 4: of the Socks are still in it, and I expect
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  Speaker 4: them to be. I would like to see them add
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  Speaker 4: a starter and maybe one or two relievers to help out, because, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: they're er. I think as a team is twentieth. There's
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  Speaker 4: Davis Martin who's kicking, but Burke's been good lately. K's
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  Speaker 4: been good. But are they how is this gonna look
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  Speaker 4: in August and September. I'm not sure they have enough
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  Speaker 4: arms to go all the nots to go all the way,
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  Speaker 4: like get to the finish line and make the playoffs,
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  Speaker 4: then see what happens.
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  Speaker 7: I know this answer would have been different a few
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  Speaker 7: weeks ago before Morikami went down, But who's now the
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  Speaker 7: most irreplaceable piece in this lineup or rotation or bullpen?
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  Speaker 4: I would say, even with Mura Kami, the most important
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  Speaker 4: player on this team, the MVP of this team. And
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  Speaker 4: I'm glad I'm on this because on the show with
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  Speaker 4: you guys, because a lot of people can see it
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  Speaker 4: and hear it. Miguel Vargas. If people are not noticing
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  Speaker 4: what Miguel Vargas is doing, you should watch. He is
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  Speaker 4: doing it offensively, he is doing it defensively. He had
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  Speaker 4: huge plays last night. He's a leader of this team.
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  Speaker 4: He's a glue guy. He hustles, he does everything that
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  Speaker 4: you want. And Miguel Vargas, who people a lot of people,
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  Speaker 4: if you're not really paying attention, might remember him. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 4: he was a part of that terrible trade, the trade
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  Speaker 4: deadline move that the White Sox, Cardinals and Dodgers made
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  Speaker 4: two years ago at the deadline. While he is he's become,
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  Speaker 4: in my opinion, the MVP of this team. He's irreplaceable
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  Speaker 4: and plays hard, every day and it goes a long way.
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  Speaker 4: He sets an example for this team. He's got tons
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  Speaker 4: of walks, hit a home run. They were down four
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  Speaker 4: to nothing last night, looks like they're not gonna win
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  Speaker 4: the game. He hits a two on Homer and gets
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  Speaker 4: them right back in it. That's what he's meant to
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  Speaker 4: this team.
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  Speaker 5: Chuck. Will he make the All I mean he's gonna
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  Speaker 5: make the All Star Team. He should make the All
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  Speaker 5: Star Team, right, But the article about ninety years since
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  Speaker 5: the White Sox has had a third baseman start in
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  Speaker 5: the All Star Game seems incredible, especially Joe Creedy Robin Ventura.
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  Speaker 5: They've had some names at third base. But here's my thing.
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  Speaker 5: It's so hard to start an All Star Game because
• 9:47
  Speaker 5: you need people to go out and vote. Okay, White
• 9:49
  Speaker 5: Sox fans are great, but please, I'm begging White Sox
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  Speaker 5: fans and other people that are fans of other teams
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  Speaker 5: check out the go Vargus's numbers and go vote for
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  Speaker 5: this guy because he deserves to start and end that street,
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  Speaker 5: which is mind boggling to me that they haven't had
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  Speaker 5: one in ninety years. Start.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you'd think that Ventura would have gotten in but
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  Speaker 4: you know, all it takes, and I'm not sure who
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  Speaker 4: was beating him at the time, off the top of
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  Speaker 4: my head, but like all it takes is like Miguel
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  Speaker 4: Cabrera to be playing first base while while you're a
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  Speaker 4: first baseman and you got no shot to start in
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  Speaker 4: an All Star game. So I'm, off the top of
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  Speaker 4: my head, I can't think who he was losing to.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, Venturia should have been there for sure. And
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  Speaker 4: if you look at what mcgoll, vargus is doing as
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  Speaker 4: a third baseman, just offensively, like it's a shoeing. But
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  Speaker 4: it takes time for people to get the word out.
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  Speaker 4: Although I will say, and this is a good thing
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  Speaker 4: about social media, word travels fast, and I know you
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  Speaker 4: guys and we're talking about it, and I'll be Network's
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  Speaker 4: talking about Vargas. So I think word is getting out.
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  Speaker 4: Is gonna tip the scales and get him in. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know, but he deserves to be the starter for
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  Speaker 4: the American League, no doubt. That's how much he's meant
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  Speaker 4: and what he's done.
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  Speaker 7: Who should the White Sox be the most afraid of.
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  Speaker 5: In the Central.
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  Speaker 6: Isn't the Guardians? Right?
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I know what the record is I just
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  Speaker 7: don't watch I don't watch the AL Central very often,
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  Speaker 7: and which you should something? Come on, yeah, come on,
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  Speaker 7: I got I got a lot of better things to do.
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  Speaker 7: I watched some games, but they are Central stinks right now, Chuck,
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  Speaker 7: and it's not great baseball. But I have to admit
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  Speaker 7: I have watched the White Sox recently, and I've watched
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  Speaker 7: last night's game because I wanted to see Brad Montgomery
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  Speaker 7: and I staid of the beginning to show. The fans
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  Speaker 7: are just popping in that stadium. They're bouncing around. But
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  Speaker 7: who's truly who are they truly worried about? Do they
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  Speaker 7: think the Guardians are the team that they're worried about?
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  Speaker 7: Because nobody can figure out why the Guardians are good,
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  Speaker 7: and yet they're always good.
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  Speaker 4: Well, what's really interesting is that the White Sox have
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  Speaker 4: played everyone in the Central so far except the Guardians,
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  Speaker 4: which is really weird. That we are here in June.
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  Speaker 4: They haven't even faced them, and they've been looking up
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  Speaker 4: at them in the standings. They're a half game out
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  Speaker 4: right now, and everyone is like, how are the Guardians
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  Speaker 4: doing it?
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  Speaker 6: But they do it.
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  Speaker 4: That's the team to beat, is what they're doing sustainable
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  Speaker 4: just like what the White Sox are they doing sustainable questions,
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  Speaker 4: But I like the White Sox chances to overtake them
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  Speaker 4: if they keep doing this. You guys know is I
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  Speaker 4: can't I mean, how far out is.
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  Speaker 6: This gonna go?
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  Speaker 4: I can't predict what's gonna this team's gonna look like
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  Speaker 4: in July, August, and September. But uh, they seem to
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  Speaker 4: be finding answers, finding ways to win. And when that
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  Speaker 4: is being built and aj you kind of mentioned, it
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  Speaker 4: kind of just grows and grows and grows and grows.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, you throw enough things at this team
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  Speaker 4: and they can still get wins against good teams. You know,
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  Speaker 4: That's that's something that is a thing. And so I'll
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  Speaker 4: have a better idea. I think around the trade deadline,
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  Speaker 4: after the Socks have gone through all of this this
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  Speaker 4: tough stretch, when they've played the Guardians a few times,
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  Speaker 4: the trade deadline passes, and then you're gonna see who
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  Speaker 4: the White Sox are. But yeah, right now it's it's
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  Speaker 4: the Guardians the Tigers. I'm just stunned what's happened to them.
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  Speaker 4: Injuries have been played a big part, obviously, The Royals
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  Speaker 4: have totally underperformed the Twins or I don't. I don't
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  Speaker 4: get them at all. But the White Sox are just
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  Speaker 4: playing with a whole lot of confidence. I would now
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  Speaker 4: want to face this team right now. That's how good
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  Speaker 4: they're playing.
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  Speaker 5: All right, Chuck, we only got time for a couple more.
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  Speaker 5: I could ask you about ten more questions, but uh
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  Speaker 5: one with I just want to know White Sox yes
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  Speaker 5: or no? Will they go all in at the trade
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  Speaker 5: deadline and make the moves they need to make.
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  Speaker 4: Chris gets who was on MLB Network Radio a couple
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  Speaker 4: of days ago, and he says, if you know we're
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  Speaker 4: I'm kind of paraphrasing here, but he said something like,
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  Speaker 4: if they're still going on like playing like this, he's
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  Speaker 4: going to add. So who's he going to add? I
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  Speaker 4: don't know, uh GM, Chuck Garfine is trying to get
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  Speaker 4: or Jordan Alvarez on this team.
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  Speaker 6: But I mean that's what I that's what I lost, Juck.
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  Speaker 5: That cost way too much, by the way, So let's
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  Speaker 5: not even let's not even dream like that. You know
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  Speaker 5: it's not gonna be that. So all right, that's fair.
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  Speaker 5: I get I hope they do make the ray moves.
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  Speaker 5: An ad uh two more quick uh one. Chris sale
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  Speaker 5: starts tonight back at us Suler Guaranteed Rate whatever it's called. Now,
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  Speaker 5: well he get a nice ovation from the White Sox fans.
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  Speaker 6: He should.
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  Speaker 4: I mean it's been a while, right yeah. Yeah, And
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  Speaker 4: when you say a nice ovation, yeah, I think they
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  Speaker 4: will give him a nice ovation.
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  Speaker 6: But I think White Sox fans.
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  Speaker 4: Are like that was like three eras ago, Like we're
• 14:29
  Speaker 4: so focused on the present that like, there's an appreciation
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  Speaker 4: for Chris Sale one for what he did here, and
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  Speaker 4: he's been here already. It's not like the first start
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  Speaker 4: he's going to be having against the White Sox. I
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  Speaker 4: think he's like, this is what might be a seventh start.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 6: He deserves a big ovation.
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  Speaker 4: But you know it's it's like, yeah, we had so
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  Speaker 4: much going on on our side of the dugout. I
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  Speaker 4: think fans might be like, let's just focus on that
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  Speaker 4: for now, and let's we get I mean, Davis Martin,
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  Speaker 4: you got the current ace on the White Sox going
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  Speaker 4: against uh, one of the best aces in baseball, So
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  Speaker 4: what a matchup it's going to be tonight.
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  Speaker 3: All right?
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  Speaker 5: Nice and then chuck before I let you go. I
• 15:05
  Speaker 5: would not be able to do this. How excited are
• 15:08
  Speaker 5: you for Ozzy Gean to finally and I'll say it again,
• 15:11
  Speaker 5: finally get his number retired. And then you have to
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: come on the cruise with us in September with Teal
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: and my draw and Ozzy and me and now we're
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: gonna have Chuck as the bartender.
• 15:21
  Speaker 6: Is this officially an invite?
• 15:24
  Speaker 5: Yes, we'll have to pay. Yes, you're invited.
• 15:29
  Speaker 6: Chuck's not going uh a shocker. Yeah.
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: So, Uh, it's it's amazing. It's it's August the eighth.
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: Ozzy Gean again, his number retired. I mean he's it's
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: player manager, analyst and what I like to call him
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: on the air, he's the mayor of raid Field. I
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: mean he is kissing babies, shaking hands.
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: Chicago, certainly on the South side of Chicago and even
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: the North side of Chicago, they love Ozzy and this
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: is well overdue. AJ you know him very very well.
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: Uh So it's it's it's a long time. I'm calming
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: to see Ozzie get his number retired as special and yes,
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: I will join you on the cruise in September.
• 16:07
  Speaker 6: Thanks for the invite. I appreciate it.
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: Wow. And also, Chuck, Chuck, do you think that they'll
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: give me a microphone on August eighth to talk?
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: They should? I mean, yeah, why not? Are you gonna
• 16:21
  Speaker 6: be there only.
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: Only I was invited?
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: So yes, Uh well, if I have a say and
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: I don't, if I have a say, you should definitely
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: get a microphone and talk.
• 16:34
  Speaker 6: Why not. I don't see anything wrong with it.
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: I don't know. They didn't let me get the twenty
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: year reunion or the twenty year reunion, so I figured out.
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: I think the healing again, we need some healing here.
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: I'm fine. I don't have a problem. Chuck.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: Well, you just asked me a question, like, are they
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: going to give me a microphone?
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: I'm like, why not? Sure?
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: He talks every day for a living. He's entertaining. People
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: love him out there. I mean, it's the perfect.
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: Time to again. I am just John Quespoor Castro.
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: I don't have the uh say here, but yeah, you
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: should definitely And if, honestly, if Ozzy wants you to talk,
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: you're gonna get a microphone.
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: Let's be honest, exactly.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: And he knows how to like highlight Ozzy but then
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: roast him at the same time. Aj does have like
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: a I mean it's got a skill for speaking, but
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: specifically with Ozzy, he just hits the right tone. So yes,
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: my request is out there too, as as John Q
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: podcaster that nobody's going to listen to either, but we'll try.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Chuck could catching up. You're glowing, man, It's everything's different.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: I mean this is fun. You look like a different person,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: and I mean that.
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: We had some dark days. We had some dark days,
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: and I can see the light.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Finally, Yes, you look great, dude. Well thanks for joining us.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: Follow check. Yes, I'm not lying.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: I don't say that to every guest.
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  Speaker 3: Appreciate your Chuck Talks.
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  Speaker 6: Thanks, Scott, appreciated.
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  Speaker 2: Marlin's broadcaster and Fish on First host AJ Ramos with us.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Good to see you, Aj. What do you got for us?
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: What is this team looking like? I mean, you know
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: how it is with Miami. Unless they are full of
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: superstars and on a tear.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: They're not going to get the national attention. So fill
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: us in.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Thanks, first of all, thanks for having me on.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: I appreciate it. But yeah, this team is exciting, man.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: They have a lot of young talent. They're doing a
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: bunch of different things that other organizations aren't doing and
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: obviously understandable because, like you mentioned, they don't have the
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: superstar talent that some of these other teams do, so
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: they got to get creative and some of the things
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: that they're doing, Honestly, when if we did those when
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: I was playing, I would think, this is the big leagues.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Why are we doing bunt practice in the middle of
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: the season. Why are we doing all these little different things.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: This is the big leagues. You do this in the
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: minor leagues. They're doing it because a lot of these
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: guys didn't have the luxury of spending any years in
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: the minor leagues to craft their understanding of how to
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: play the game, so they got to do some of
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: the developing at the big league level. So that's why
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: they're doing all these different things. And honestly, I always
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: wondered we only did pitching field at PFPS in spring
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: training and then we never worked on them. But now
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: with the Marlins, they're working on PFPS, they're working on
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: bunt defenses, they're working on bunting, the actual bunting, not
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: just bunting the first two pitches you see in the
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: cage when you're taking batting practice. So they are developing
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: players at this level, they're doing a lot of different
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: things to try to win the margins and see if
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: they can create a process that is a winning organization.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: This is gonna wear the guys out. Though I know
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: they're basically a young team, but I mean, I know
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: if I had early work every day and I had
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: to go do PfP and I had to go do bunning,
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: and I had to go take live BP every day,
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: right because don't the pitchers throw live VP in between starts.
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: There's like a lot of things that I feel like
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: would have just warned me out after a while, after
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: one hundred and sixty two games.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, it depends on what phase of your career
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: you're talking about, right, If you're talking about towards the
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: end of your career, hell yeah, that's gonna wear you out.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: And you're like, I A'm gonna do that? Why do
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: I need to do that? A lot of these guys
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: are young, and they do similar things of what you
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: as far as practice goes what you would see in
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: a minor league setting. And I know minor leagues they
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: don't play one hundred and sixty two games, but they
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: still do a similar version of this. They're out doing
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: early work, team fundamentals and team things throughout the big
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: league season. Obviously, whenever I was playing, there would be
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: guys that were getting their work in catching wise, hitting wise, whatever.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: But it's individual work and you don't do it every day.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: The Marlins, they're not doing it as a team every day.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: They I've seen maybe when I've been there, maybe two
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: or three times a week if that. They're doing specific
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: things team stuff. But for the most part, I think
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: they have a system to where it won't overexhaust the body.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: And a lot of these guys are I mean under
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: thirty easily, I mean mid mid twenties. I know when
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: I was mid twenties. Man, I can do a lot
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: more than what I could do at the end towards
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: the end of my career. So right now they're in
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: this place where again they got to develop. Now, if
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: they had a bunch of veterans on this team, one
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: you wouldn't need to do as many of these things.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: But two, I mean, they have their processes down so
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: that there's less teaching at this level. But right now,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, in order to make sure that you play
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: clean baseball, because that's the Marlins brand, you've got to
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: play clean baseball. You got run the bases good, you
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: got to play you gotta play defense well, and you
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: got to work abs And as you've seen from I mean,
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: they have the league leader in hits with Otto Lopez
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: and Xavier Edwards is doing well lim Hicks. I mean,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: they have a lot of guys that are really hard
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: to strike out and make a lot of contact and
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: honestly doing some damage out there.
• 22:55
  Speaker 7: He jel. I'm not going to use your words against you,
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: but I want to know what you're thinking here. You said,
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: see if it works because there's a lot of stuff
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: that's going on.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: Do you think it's hard for a fan to connect
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: to a game that you're like, because casual fans can
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: even see like, I will see if it works, Like
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: we'll see if they can win without having free agents.
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: I will see if this can work. Call on pitch,
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: We'll see if this can work. Not hitting a lot
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: of homers and Marlon's Park is like impossible to hit
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: homers out of? Like is it too much? See if
• 23:29
  Speaker 7: it works or is it like I will hope it
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: doesn't really matter if we win or lose.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: I think in the past it was more of a
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: hope and see if it works out. Now they're crafting processes,
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: and of course a lot of things that they're doing
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: right now may not stick. But in order if you
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: implement something, you have to give it a long enough
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: runway to see if you will have success with that,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: and you've got to fully invest in it, and you
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: got to fully commit to it in order to see
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: if it works or not. And as a fan, yes,
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: it's tough. But as a fan, you can also see
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: that even the games that they lose, for the most part,
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: they're in and if you go to those games and
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: you see watch them on TV, they don't give up. Man.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: I mean there's been times where they're down by three
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: or four runs or five runs in the ninth inning
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: and they come back and score, you know, two or
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: three runs to make it competitive. Even when they were winning.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: I was in DC call in the game and there
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: was twenty six balls fouled off in the ninth inning
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: and they're up by three runs. They don't give abs away.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: They're playing the game the right way. And that's first
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: and foremost. The process that they want to implement with
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: these guys is that you know, you grind out AB's
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: you don't give any pitches away and you continue to
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: push hard. And some of the things that they're doing,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: some of the processes that they're making the guys go through,
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: they're seeing if it works and what happens with that unsure,
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: But I mean, the only way to know if it's
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: going to be successful or not is to give it
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: the full commitment. And the third part of this is
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: they have to do this. They have to try to
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: be innovative because they they don't have the payroll as
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: a lot of the other teams, So you can't just
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: go out there and play traditional baseball when you don't
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: have the traditional way of success on your roster. Construction
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: is not built for that type of success, so you
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: have to be innovative, and that's what they're doing. They're
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: doing a lot of different things. That's raise some eyebrows, obviously,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: but that's what's gonna happen when you're innovative, especially in
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: a sport that is so tradition oriented as baseball. You
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: do something just a little bit different and guys are like, well,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: back in my day, I didn't have to do all
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: those things. So, I mean, it comes with the territory.
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: But is it working because they're behind the Nationals, and
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: the Nationals have new guys and they're doing different stuff too,
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: and they're above five hundred and they're ahead of the Marlins.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: So this is all this cool and great and whip
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: you do and we're doing all this new stuff. But
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: at the end of the day, it's about the players.
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: And the Washington Nationals with people in their first year,
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: are ahead of where the Marlins are right now. So
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: is this working? That would be my next Is this working?
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: Or they need better players?
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Well you compared to to the to the Nationals, but
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: they have Woods, they have Abrams, they have some guys
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: that are like can be super star type talent on
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: their team. So to your point, yes, I mean you
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: will need some players. But at the other end of it,
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: the Nationals cannot pitch. I think overall, I think the
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Marlins are a better team because they have better pitching,
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: better bullpen, better starting pitching. Right now, they're going through
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: one of those stretches where, like it hits, every team,
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: starting pitching is going down, and so they're down in
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: that aspect and they having a lot of bullpenings, but
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: their bullpen is one of the best in the league.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: They have two of the top hitters on the on
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: their roster, and then you have the RBI. You know,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Liam Hicks is competing for you know, top RBI, so
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: they have the structure there. I would argue that the
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: players on the Marlins are possibly younger than most of
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: the guys, like when you look at the average age
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: then the Nationals, a lot of those guys have more experience.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: They've played a couple more years in some of these
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: guys as well. So yeah, overall, you're gonna want to
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: have good players. But here's the thing. When you come
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: up with the system and you understand how the system works,
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: then you're able to get better players for that system
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: to implement to your roster, not just the best player
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: out there, because the best player out there may not
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: make your team the best because things don't work out
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: the system isn't in place for it. Look at Wansto,
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: best hitter on the Mets. Mets aren't doing every well
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: because they don't have a process to understand what direction
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: are we going, what makes this organization successful and they
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: just kind of threw the most money at the roster
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: to see if it works. That's not going to work.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: But if you have a system in place, you have
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: an understanding of what type of players can maximize that
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: type of system, then you get the right players. Not
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: the most expensive, maybe not even some of the most
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: talented players. You get the right players for your system.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: The only way to go through that is to come
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: up with the system and try some things and fail
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: and be innovative.
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  Speaker 7: All right, Well, I don't think it took too much
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  Speaker 7: innovation when you were there. I'd made a list of
• 29:09
  Speaker 7: the guys that you played with. Mike Stanton formal now,
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: gian Carlos Stanton, Christian Yelich, Marcelo Zuna, jt Real Muto,
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: Jose Fernandez, and the great aj Ramos were just some
• 29:21
  Speaker 7: of the names. I'm probably missing. I'm probably missing some guys.
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: Was that system in place and then taken away now
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: in the set or was that just a lucky luck
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: of the draw? You had just freak athletes that were
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: all in the system. And is that not able to
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: be duplicated because of how the game is now today
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: or something?
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: So I think G was drafted by the Marlins. I
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: think I believe Yellows was as well. I was drafted
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: by the Marlins. I think Ozuna was as well. I
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: think they just had a really good draft and so
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: that helped. And then when they try to add players,
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: like in twenty twelve they try to add Jose, they
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: try to add all these different guys Mark Burley, and
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: they sucked again because you're trying to you're trying to
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: just throw the best players and trying to win ball games,
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: and you've got to have a system in place. So
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: I think along with that process I was talking about again,
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: then you can apply that to the type of players
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: that you're drafting as well. Then you can apply that
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: to all, right, is this type of player is going
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: to fit our system? I mean, look at the Rays.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: It's similar to the Rays, I would guess because you know,
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Peter Binnix came from the Rais, so it's going to
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: be a derivative of that. And they've been successful with
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: the way they developed players, and I think eventually it's
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: going to be a place where they can develop players.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: But I think they have the ability to turn the
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: corner to then then add when the time is right.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, because you can see the studs of this
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: and I can see it. It's the best rebuild that
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: I've been a part of in the Marlins organization. Before
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: they tore it all down, they tried to do something
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  Speaker 3: else and Jeter took it over and then tore it
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  Speaker 3: all down again and that didn't work, and then there's
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: a bunch of different things going on. So I think
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: they rebuilt that. When you rebuild it from the stud
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: there's gonna show some cracks. They're gonna show some things
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  Speaker 3: where everyone's pointing like you're not doing it right because
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: you're not doing the traditional way, you know, giving up
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: you know, you know, throw enough money at it. So
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: I mean they're kind of they're going through their their
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: their phases. I think they're they're coming up with their
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: plans that it's going to allow them to be successful.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: And we'll see, obviously, I mean, you'll have a crystal
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: ball I we'll see if they'll have more success with this.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: But for me, I believe that they're heading in the
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: right direction.
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: Who do you trust more in? You talked about the system,
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: Who do you trust more in? Clayton McCollum the manager,
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: or Peter Bendex the GM, or the head of player operations.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Who do I trust more. I mean they, I think everyone.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: So when we talk to individuals, we try to ask
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: questions to maybe corner them, to maybe get them to
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: say something different. I've heard them being asked questions by
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: a lot of people, and the consistent consensus answer is
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: that they're all pulling the same rope, all going the
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: same together, doing the same way, pulling in the same direction.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: And I think that's so I can't say that I
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: trust one more than the other. I know Peter Bendix
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: has a unique way of evaluating talent and having a
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: couple a few conversations with them, the way they talk
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: about like even when they do like the MLB camps,
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: when they go evaluate some of those kids, the way
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: he talks about those, how he evaluates I don't completely understand,
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: but I can when he explained it a little bit
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: further to me, I'm like, I see how that can work. Honestly,
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: it's more of an in game type look instead of like, oh,
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: we're just evaluating how fast and how hard they throw
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: and the tools. There's a different way that he looks
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: at players. So I trust them with that, and then
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: I trust Clayton with the stability that he gives with
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: the team in how he's handled just adversity, how he's
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: handled the questions. I feel like when you're with an
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: organization that is being innovated, you get attacked from multiple levels.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: And the way he's been able to navigate the questions
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: and still stay true to his job and to you know,
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: what he believes in, because I really do think that
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: they all believe that what is in place is going
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: to work. And again, you have to be totally bought
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: in when you're doing some innovative stuff because if not,
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: then if there's one person that slightly doesn't believe, then
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: that's going to be the collapse of everything that could
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: be because one person doesn't believe. So I think they're
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: all pulling in the same direction. So I guess I
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: trust both of them. But yeah, we'll see, we'll see
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: what happens.
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: Hey, a couple of guys on your roster, I mean
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: that have been reverly nice. Obviously Mac right, Mac has
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: come up and kind of solidified the catching. Now that
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: what's weird is is Hicks Rakes right, and he's kind
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: of a catcher. I guess right, I think he's if
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: he's not leading the league in RBIs he's up there,
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: and then Otto Lopez has been a revelation for this team.
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: So there are some stars that are on this Marlin
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: seam are potential stars that can lead them into this
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: next thing. What have you seen from those guys and
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: especially Lopez? I mean he should probably be an All Star.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Lopez should be an All Star. The
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: way he grinds out AB's is really really cool. You know,
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: even when he gets two strikes. There's been a few
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: times where there's been he's down two strikes and what
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: he is he does he shortens up, hits the ball
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: the other way, and I think that's one of the
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: biggest things. It's such a like maybe people would say
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: an old school approach, but man, sometimes what's what's broke,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: don't fix it right. And if you're able to hit
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: the ball of the opposite field, shorten up with two
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: strikes and then have a high contact rate, you have
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: good chance of possibly getting on base. And Auto is
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: fast so well. Auto has been able to do not
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: only at the plate but also defensively on the bass pass.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: He's just a hard worker, a great demeanor, He's humble,
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: and he's one of those guys that you can see
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: can weather a downturn because throughout the season you're gonna
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: go through a slump. And some guys maybe when they're
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: playing well, they go through a slump and all of
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: a sudden they go, no, the sky's falling. Auto is
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: not that type of personality. He understands that eventually is
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: gonna get out of it. Liam Hicks put in a
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: lot of hard work. The biggest thing with Liam Hicks
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: is that he has confidence. Man. He has a lot
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: of confidence. And because he put in the work, people ask,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: how do you get confidence? You know, what's the way
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: you get confidence? Well, you put in the work. Liam
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Hicks already had a high contact rate in his career,
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: and then he added and it's literally one mile an
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: hour to his bat speed, and it allowed him to
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: really trust the process that he's going through and then
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: have so much more time to navigate what pitch is
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: coming to him. He's lets the ball get deep, he
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: hits the ball opposite field. When the balls when it's
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: a leverage count in his favor, He's gonna try to
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: do damage. He's gonna try to do some pull side.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: But his approach has really really changed to where he's
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: maximizing balls in damage zones and taking his taking his chances.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: The other guy's Joe Matt. His his progression so far
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: has been awesome. They were getting him down with change
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: ups away, sinkers away for varieties and down back foot sliders,
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: and he's been able to lay off some of that stuff,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: choose his zone and now he's doing damage. So that
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: young growth from that that uh, that type of rookie.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: He's only what she's two or three weeks into this
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: into his career in the big leagues. Uh. And then
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: what he does behind the plate, you can see why
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: they want him to be the everyday catcher. He's just
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: one of those guys that he blocks the ball great,
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: receives the ball well, and he has a cannon. So
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of upside with Joe Mack.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Great analysis. I love listening to Fish on first with
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: you on there too. AJ really appreciate the time, man,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: thanks for catching us up on a team that you
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: get some more attention right now.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sir, I appreciate you guys having me on