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133: Interview with Deb Bowen of the Psychic Teachers Podcast · Common Mystics

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  Speaker A: On this episode of Common Mystics, we are thrilled to talk with a very special guest. I'm Jennifer James.
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  Speaker B: I'm Jill Stanley.
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  Speaker A: We're psychics. We're sisters. We are common mystics. We find extreme, extraordinary stories in ordinary places. But today, we are honored to welcome our guest, renowned teacher, longtime podcaster of the acclaimed Psychic Teachers podcast, author of A Good Friend for Bad Times, Helping Others through grief, and here today to discuss her new book, Crafting the Wheel of the Year, due out in September 2025. Please help us welcome Deb Bowen.
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  Speaker B: Yay.
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  Speaker A: Yay.
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  Speaker B: Deb, we are so excited to pick your brain. You are a beacon of knowledge. And my first question to you is, can you tell us a little bit? You know what? This is Jennifer's question. I'm sorry. Go on.
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  Speaker A: That's okay. Yeah, we can share the questions, Jill.
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  Speaker B: No, no, this is your question.
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  Speaker A: I'm sure most of our listeners already know who you are, Deb, but tell us a little bit about your background.
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  Speaker C: Which part of me would you like to know about all the parts you're.
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  Speaker A: Willing to share about?
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  Speaker C: Here's what I would tell folks. I am an old beach girl. I grew up on a barrier island with a daddy who fished and clammed and oystered and shrimp for us to eat. Some of the best days in my life were out in the marsh with my father. Gosh, I can't tell you how wonderful that was and what a gift he was in being so open to looking at the world in various perspectives. While I grew up in a very traditional Protestant household, I also had a father who when I came home in high school and said I wanted to be a Buddhist. And I wasn't really sure what a Buddhist was, but I thought it'd be fun. And he said, then be the best Buddhist you can be. And that was a wonderful thing for him to say. So that was great. I began my exploration of looking at various belief systems as a small child. Back in the days when I was a child, churches on the island didn't lock their doors. And I would go down and sit in the sanctuary at the Catholic church because it smelled so good. And there were all these cool statues everywhere, and I didn't know who they were, what it meant, but the priest would come and sit and talk to me. Today, no priest in his right mind would be alone with a child in the sanctuary. But back then, Father Donahue was wonderful to me. And so that opens some more doors. And then, oh, I don't know, high school maybe? No, probably junior high Ruth Montgomery wrote a book entitled Gift of Prophecy about Jean Dixon, who was the woman who predicted the assassination of John Kennedy. And then the world just blew up from there. And then Granny Jean, the palm reader, and Joel and I became lifelong friends. And here we go. So does that answer your question, Jen?
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  Speaker A: It does, it does. Thank you for that background.
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  Speaker B: What I find so interesting is that as I was listening to psychic teachers, you and Samantha had a conversation about how you are psychic, but you don't identify as a medium.
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  Speaker C: No, they're two different things. They're two entirely different skills.
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  Speaker B: Listening to you the other night on our tier 4 patreon group talk about Ted Andrews, to me it felt like you were channeling him.
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  Speaker C: But channeling's yet a third thing.
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  Speaker B: Okay.
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  Speaker C: Mediumship, psychic ability, and channeling ability are three different things. You were talking apples, bananas and oranges.
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  Speaker B: So can you start?
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  Speaker A: Yeah, just start with explaining psychic ability versus mediumship.
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  Speaker C: All right. If you've listened to my podcast, you've heard me say this a thousand and fifteen million times. Everybody is psychic, right? You're all psychic. We all have intuitive abilities. From the ability to be at a traffic light and realize you need to turn right and get off that road right now. That's intuition. That psychic ability, those are interchangeable words. It's a knowing, it's a connection. Mediumship is the ability to bring forth information from people across the veil. That's a mediumship skill. I don't have that. I don't have that skill. Channeling is what you're describing when we talk about Ted Andrews is that ability to kind of. To know what if Ted were inhabiting my body, which he was not, but if he were, I would be speaking for him. I would be passing on his information that way. So the three entirely different things. I'm not a medium. The couple of times in my life when I have had a person come and stand in front of me wanting me to deliver a message, they come symbolically. Like, for example, when I have had a grandma come, she is that stereotypical old fashioned woman from like the 1940s with an apron on and she's holding a rolling pin. I bet some of our folks listening don't even know what a rolling pin is today, but she's holding this thing and she's. So she's symbolic. I can't. Like, if I were, I'm not a medium who could see your specific dead grandma? I can't do. Nor do I hear people talk. I can't do that. I'm not. Because There are different ways to be a medium. We think in terms of, oh, there's a person in front of you, but there are other ways in which mediumship works.
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  Speaker A: Sure, sure.
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  Speaker C: I'm not qualified to answer that.
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  Speaker A: What about those of us who can connect with our own people on the other side, like my own grandmother that I know comes to me to talks to me. Would you say that is my psychic ability, or is that mediumship? Because I'm not really a medium for anybody else but myself. So how does that translate?
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  Speaker C: That's mediumship.
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  Speaker A: Okay. Okay.
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  Speaker B: Got it.
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  Speaker C: Right.
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  Speaker A: All right.
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  Speaker C: Thank you. Yeah.
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  Speaker A: So you've already talked a little bit about the pivotal experiences that have shaped who you are today through, you know, the exploration of the different churches with your father and his worldview, you already touched on a little bit the different books and people who came into your life. How would you describe your current belief system? Like. Like, what are you. Like, I describe myself, for instance, and I. I don't.
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  Speaker C: I'm not going. I'm not going in a box, Tim. Give it up. I'm not doing.
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  Speaker B: I love it.
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  Speaker C: You can put me in a box.
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  Speaker A: Bust out those boxes. But, like, for instance, like, we were raised Catholic, and so we hold on to. To some of the Catholic belief systems. The worldview, like, that all shapes the way we see spirituality today. So for you, like, how. How do you see spirituality? Like, how would you, without putting yourself in a box, like, describe like. Like your. Your belief system and your worldview.
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  Speaker C: So one of my favorite writers is a woman who's long dead. Her name was Lady Mary Stewart, and she wrote a series of books about the Arthurian legend told from the perspective of Merlin the magician. And in, I think it's the Hollow Hills, which is the second of the books, there's a sentence that says, never turn from knowing, no matter how the knowing comes. And that really does sum up my answer to your question, Jen, in that. And I never can quote this right, so please don't quote this correctly, but I think it was Aristotle who said, let me see if I can sort of get it right. No, I better not try it. I may come back to it, but when I think of the notion of not turning from knowledge, that's it, sort of. He says something like, it's the mark of an educated person to be able to entertain a notion without accepting it necessarily. So I'm always fascinated by learning about how and why folks around the world believe in practice the way they do. And I've been blessed with being with a lot of different folks and a lot of different belief systems and always willing to learn. And so for me, it's. Eclectic is probably the best word I can come up with to kind of tell you. But I do believe that there is a creative force. I have many names for that creative force, kind of depending on what I may hope to communicate or learn from that creative force. I do believe that the time is coming, and I hope it gets here fast. When spirit and science speak the same language. I. I would. I like. Neil Degrasse Tyson is one of my heroes, too. And. And he says, we don't know what we don't know. And that's just so profound. That little tiny sentence is just so profound. So. So that's the way I see that and I see the spirituality and quantum physics. So when you ask me about spirit, then I can go off on a whole conversation with you about quantum physics and cybernetics.
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  Speaker B: How did you. Because you were a professional teacher, you had a career as a professor or teacher. How did you navigate your sense of being psychic and being open to the elements and spirit? And how did you navigate that with your professional life? Was it. Were you.
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  Speaker C: I put it in a box. That did not go to work with me.
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  Speaker B: Oh.
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  Speaker C: Those boundaries were very important, very clear.
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  Speaker A: Okay.
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  Speaker B: That was not what I was expecting. Very interesting.
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  Speaker A: Well, very interesting.
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  Speaker C: Yeah, I think that was important.
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  Speaker A: Okay. You know, I have to. We were. Jill and I were smiling at ourselves when you were talking about your influences. Because Mary Stewart was important in my young life. I did a whole. I read all of her books and did a huge paper in high school on Mary Stewart and the works of Mary Stewart. And then I bought Jill the entire anthology as adults. So we are both big fans. And then Neil Degrasse Tyson. Jill just went to see him speak.
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  Speaker B: Did you really he that in Chattanooga? Justin Marsh. He was amazing. I got to talk to him.
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  Speaker C: Oh, how incredibly wonderful. So when you say Mary Stewart's whole catalog, you mean like the ones beyond the Merlin books as well?
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  Speaker A: No, it was just the Merlin. Yeah.
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  Speaker B: Yes.
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  Speaker A: Just wonderful.
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  Speaker C: Read some of her other stuff. You know, the Gabriel hounds and Touch not the Cat. I mean, some of her mysteries are just wonderful. So don't miss those.
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  Speaker A: Yeah, you have to look into those.
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  Speaker B: Yeah. And then mystery.
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  Speaker A: When you brought up quantum physics, I want to know, have you read. We're a little off topic here. I hope this is okay.
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  Speaker C: It's not off topic. It's exactly on topic.
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  Speaker A: Have you read Itzhak Bentov, Stalking the Wild Pendulum?
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  Speaker C: I have not But I have heard of it. It's on my list. Have you read it?
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  Speaker A: Oh, my goodness, yes. It was recommended to us. And it's just that, Deb. It is. Science and spirituality come together. Itzhak Bentov. It was, I think 1978.
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  Speaker C: I missed that.
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  Speaker A: I want to see. Oh my goodness. I keep coming back to it. The more I learn about this field and where it's going, it all really, a lot of it comes back to that work, which is phenomenal.
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  Speaker B: He breaks down the process things that Jennifer and I were trying to articulate and to be like, what is it that we're actually doing? He reaches in and dissects every layer of how this is working and how it's being amplified into the world. So it's real. It's a phenomenal. I had it on the audio edition and I had the book. So it's. It's meaty.
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  Speaker A: It is meaty, but it's fantastic.
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  Speaker C: I missed that somewhere along the way. I'll go back and pick it up. Thank you for that.
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  Speaker A: So, Jill, do you want to do number the next one or do you want me to ask?
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  Speaker B: I love this. What would you give the advice you would give to individuals who have abilities but they're still not ready to fully accept them or they may be a little scared by them.
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  Speaker C: Remember, I think we all have ability.
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  Speaker A: Remember, we do too. But there are people who reject, reject their, their human, God given ability.
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  Speaker C: And there are lots of reasons for that. I mean, folks have a lot of reasons for that. They're cultural and families and I mean, there are a zillion reasons that people go, no, I gotta, I can't do this. And sometimes, sometimes it's a matter of timing, may not be right, or at least they feel like it's not. So there's that. There's also the. What will folks think? You know, I mean, I can hear my mother. You don't really believe in them tarot cards, do you? Yeah, mama, I do. But you couldn't go there, you know, so there's. There's a lot of reasons. And sometimes folks, early, particularly early in childhood experiences are frightening. They understand what's happened. And so it's. There's this, and there's this, oh, I'm going to hell and the devil's going to do all this bad stuff to me and all that stuff. So there's that. I tell people to be patient with themselves and to learn while, yes, we all have these ways of doing things in the world and being what we're Talking about, But we can also learn skills and more ways of doing it. And how do other people navigate this? Read, read, read, read, read, read, read. Go to workshops. And I'm going to come back to it. I have a caveat for what I'm getting ready, what I'm saying here. So read, learn, study, question, question everything. What is your truth? Doesn't necessarily mean that the truth is your truth. So the caveat here is ask for the gift of discernment. I'm very careful in using that word because I've learned that today's world defines that word differently than the way it's meant to be defined. If you go look it up in the dictionary, it's different than the way people use it today. So to discern means to make a decision on your own about what you think and feel and believe about something and what works for you. And that's really, really important so that folks don't feel the need to should on themselves so that they don't do that. But be patient. Trust the process. Sometimes the answer is, you are. Well, you know, but are you really ready to do this stuff? Maybe not now at some point. And ask for the ability to really connect with your guides. They're always there. I bet you. I bet you, Samantha. And I get, I don't know, 10, 10, 20 questions a month from people who say, where did my guides go? Answer is nowhere. It's you who's walked away. And believe me, I've done it. I know, I know. It's like, where you been? And my main guy goes, yeah, chick, I've been sitting here all this time. You gonna pay me any mind? Okay, so I get that. So ask for help. You don't have to live in this world in a bubble by yourself. There's a lot of good help out there. And it comes sometimes in really odd ways. It comes for me in music lyrics, you know, it's one of my big ways of hearing stuff. I wake up with a song in my head every morning, and I know that there's been a lesson during the night that's been downloaded with those lyrics.
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  Speaker B: The eagle song that you always quote that. I really appreciate that. It's like you were chained, but you didn't realize you had the key the whole time.
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  Speaker C: Absolutely. Name of the song is already gone. When the devil appears in a tarot reading, the eagles start playing in my head. And the sentence is, it so oftentimes it happens that we live our lives in chains and never even know we hold the key. Hear that? A lot. Yeah. Goosebumps and they're more. But yeah, so ask for help. You know, connect with your guides. Ask to be shown a path that will get you started. For some people, it's crystals. For some people, it's runes or Reiki or, you know, whatever. So ask for that and try out what may or may not fit.
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  Speaker B: You know, Jen, this next question I love for you.
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  Speaker A: So, Deb, you seem to have so many varied areas of interest and expertise for. For instance. For instance, on your podcast, Psychic Teachers, you and Samantha talk about. Oh, my gosh, so many different topics related to psychic awareness, spirituality, but also the paranormal. We know, of course, that you are an authority on Tarot and teach on that subject, and you've also been very upfront about your relationship and everything that you've learned from the Lakota people. So you seem to have had. You seem to have a lot of different interests. But I guess my question is, do you see these as divergent interests, or do you think that they're all. Would you categorize them as all related? Like as, you know, as you're. You evolve. Like, what. What's your take on that?
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  Speaker C: They're all related.
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  Speaker A: Yeah.
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  Speaker C: And here's. And here's an example of that. When I teach a Tarot class, I tell my students several important things, but two of those things are, one, if Tarot were Walmart, what it sells, and I use that word in quotations, is hope. The gift of Tarot is that it is a hopeful world and it's all driven through all 78 of the keys. That's one. The other is that we are all connected. And Tarot speaks of. Just take, oh, I don't know, the high priestess, for example. There's Roman mythology, Greek mythology, Hebraic thought, Christianity. There's one Hindu symbol in the deck.
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  Speaker A: Really?
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  Speaker C: Yeah, there is. I won't tell you where it is if you can find it.
• 19:32
  Speaker B: Yeah, I'm gonna have to go look through now.
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  Speaker A: That's a teacher thing to do, Deb. Of course it is.
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  Speaker C: I know. Of course it is. So. So Tarot brings together all these Egyptian, all these thoughts, all these beliefs, all these cultures. Isn't that wonderful? So Tarot is that gift of connectedness. I also believe that all there really is is energy. There really isn't. The three of us in this conversation, we aren't real. We are just energetic forms that's floating around in. In boxes that we call Jill and Jen and Deb. Right. So if you can assume that. If you can entertain the notion that Everything is energy and that there really isn't any of us here, and that this computer in front of me and this coffee cup are all just energy. There's vibrating at various rates. Then what else is there but the connectedness? That's all there is. So deeply, deeply, deeply, I believe everything's connected. Absolutely. I do. So if somebody is called, for example, back to kind of the common sense thing that you've just asked me about. So if somebody is called, for example, to read to row, and someone else is called to do Reiki, for example, those are different modalities and different ways of being, but the goal is still the same, to be of use in the world.
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  Speaker B: I love it.
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  Speaker A: I love that.
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  Speaker B: Do you believe your spiritual gifts and abilities are currently evolving?
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  Speaker C: Oh, Lord, I hope so.
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  Speaker B: Okay.
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  Speaker C: I may have told that. You may have heard this story before, too. I don't know how many years ago. It was many, many years ago when Joel and Gene and I were like kids at a candy store and we were learning all this stuff, you know, and had not had the good sense yet to ask for the gift of discernment. We were just buying it all. Whatever it was, we were just bringing it in. And I was telling a co worker about all this stuff and how cool it was, and she looked at me and she said, what do you believe? And I realized I didn't know because I had just accepted so much. But what was my truth? So this was in the days before computers. So I sat down in my journal and I wrote all this stuff. What do I believe? And then I thought, you know, I probably should type this. So I sat down in a typewriter and I typed it all. And then computers came along. Wasn't that cool? Because what began to happen was that that original document kept morphing and growing and changing as I was morphing and growing and changing. And I was so stupid. I didn't. Well, maybe computers even didn't do it back then. But I just would type over stuff so I didn't keep.
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  Speaker B: Oh, a record of each.
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  Speaker C: Darn it. So anytime I have an opportunity to suggest to somebody that they do that exercise and then keep records of. Of that evolution to do it that way, I really would love to, at some point gather a group of people and. And do a class on. On doing that, because I think that could be so much fun. So, yes, I hope I'm still growing. I hope I'm still learning.
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  Speaker B: That's very interesting. And what good advice to write down what you believe today, because I can Picture myself as a teenager and how different. Like I. I was one of those as a teenager that was like, why can't I jump start my psychic ability? Why does it just happen when it happens? And I didn't realize it wasn't a spectator sport. I have to engage. I have to call it in. And it took me like a God until I was like in my 30s, Jen. Until I was like, oh, I'm just really slow. They're always with me and I just have to ask instead of waiting for them to smack me in the face with something.
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  Speaker C: Absolutely. Exactly. We forget that part. I love that.
• 23:50
  Speaker B: We are going to switch our focus to your new book coming out.
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  Speaker C: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker B: Crafting the Wheel of the Year. Please tell us what inspired you to co author this book? Who's your co author and what was the inspiration behind this collaboration?
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  Speaker C: I tell you, you talk about the cosmos working in interesting ways. This has been an interesting process. It really has. My co author of the book is Claire Gelder. Let me rephrase that. Actually, I'm her co author. Claire is the impetus behind this book. Claire lives in England. In fact, Samantha and I are interviewing her. Let me rephrase that. Samantha's interviewing us tomorrow and that'll be on air in the next week or so, so that'll be fun. But Claire owns a business in England called Wilco Tour and it's. It's like a gigantic corporation because she got, I don't know, because I don't do television, but there's some kind of investor thing you can go and pitch your company to and they'll give you investment money. That Clay got that from one of those.
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  Speaker A: Is that Shark Tank?
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  Speaker C: Well, she's in England, so whatever that counterpart is.
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  Speaker B: The English version. Yeah.
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  Speaker A: Wow.
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  Speaker C: So she has this gigantic corporation called Wool Couture. And Wool Couture does knitting yarns and craft needles and, you know, lots of all that kind of wonderful stuff. And. And Claire had written seven books before this one. And she started taking my courses and took, I don't know, a bunch of them. And at some point she emailed me and she said, would you be interested in co authoring a book with me? And I said, yeah, but I don't do any of that crafty stuff. So what do you think I can do? And so she said, well, what I have in mind is that we do a book that teaches about the eight seasons of the year. They're not just four the eight seasons of the year. And then you'll write that stuff and I'll Write corresponding instructions on how to do crafts that correspond to the holidays. And I said, well, okay. So we approached the publisher that had been doing her books, and they said, oh, yeah, let's do it. So we said, okay, here we go.
• 26:25
  Speaker A: Wow.
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  Speaker C: Yeah. So it was really wonderful. And so it took us, you know, it's a process to write a book and there stops and starts and real life and stuff that goes on. But eventually we finally have gotten to this point and hopefully given shipping and all that craziness, working internationally, that's been a fun challenge, but it's been a challenge. The book will be, I think, available mid September for sale.
• 26:56
  Speaker B: I get mine September 16th. Is Amazon.
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  Speaker C: Is that what Amazon told you? Would you let me know whether or not that happens?
• 27:06
  Speaker B: Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaker C: Okay.
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  Speaker B: I'm really excited about it. I am such a novice when it comes to those type of things, like the wheel of the year. But I wanna be able to harness that kind of energy. So I'm really super excited to be able to sit down with it and kind of dig in.
• 27:23
  Speaker C: Well, it's really a wonderful idea that has evolved with this book in that we talk about or I write about the history and the mythology and the traditions and sometimes some of the myths that go with the holidays. I write about all that stuff. And then kind of the antiquity. Like, for example, if you look at Yule, right, You look at the winter holiday, the winter solstice holiday, well, that's a time of just being within. That's a time of the year of gathered in. You're sitting by the hearth. They think in the old days, right, families are gathered by the hearth. And in the book and what Claire has, one of the crafts that she has created is stringing rowan berries, which is a British tradition. Here we probably know about stringing cranberries and popcorn, right?
• 28:20
  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker C: It's the same idea. So that's fun. But what that does to bring folks together with that tradition and that holiday. So that's the marrying between the parts of the book that I wrote and the parts that Claire wrote. And then in addition to that, with each of the holidays, I recommend corresponding crystals and essential oils. So that gives folks some other work things to work with as well.
• 28:46
  Speaker A: Wow, that's fascinating.
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  Speaker C: It is. It's really fun. And the. The. The photographer did just a beautiful job of photographing Claire's process, you know, for teaching you how to do these crafts. And some of them are like. Some of them I probably could do, like. Like dyeing an egg. I could probably do that.
• 29:09
  Speaker A: You could probably dye an egg.
• 29:10
  Speaker C: But that crocheting stuff, that's.
• 29:17
  Speaker B: I couldn't be there. I couldn't either.
• 29:19
  Speaker C: But it's fun, and I think it's a lovely thing. I do just have to tell you when you ask me about my Lakota folks, one of my teachers from the Lakota folks is a brilliant, brilliant artist, and he is a consultant to the Museum of the Native American in Washington. When they get in a shipment of some kind of regalian and beadwork and whatever, he can look at something and say, this bead is Navajo and It comes from 1830 in this place. I mean, he's amazing. And he. When I used to take students out to the reservation, he would spend time with my students using crafts to teach history and culture and all that. It was he. He has been my best teacher at teaching me how to teach.
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  Speaker A: Oh.
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  Speaker C: But he knows that crafting stuff. When I would take students and he would sit them around the table and they'd be making moccasins, for example, I'd be making the coffee and coming back and walking around the table and saying, oh, look, aren't those. Look at you. You're doing such a good job. And he does not a know that this book has been written. I've very carefully kept it a secret, I think. Nor does he know that he is in the acknowledgments. So I can't wait for him to look at this and go, what?
• 30:43
  Speaker A: Oh, he's going to be surprised.
• 30:46
  Speaker C: It will be fun to. To pass it on. He's just been given a National Endowment for the Arts lifetime achievement award.
• 30:52
  Speaker B: Oh, my gosh.
• 30:54
  Speaker C: I'm really, really excited for him. I'd like to get to Washington for the ceremony for that.
• 30:59
  Speaker B: Oh, that's amazing.
• 31:00
  Speaker C: I know. So. So anyway, so that's how the book came to be. And now here we are with working on sales and the marketing piece and whatnot. And this is. This is fun. So here we are.
• 31:17
  Speaker B: I think that.
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  Speaker A: Go ahead.
• 31:19
  Speaker B: I think that she answered question number two. Do you want to hop to number three, or do you think she can?
• 31:25
  Speaker A: Well, I actually. I wanted to. I'm so intrigued. I have more questions, like, here's what I want to know, Deb. I want to know if you're prepared to tell us what are the eight seasons, Because I only know the four. So let's start there. And then I have a follow up.
• 31:42
  Speaker C: This is going to be a real abbreviated version because I could really talk for, like, you know, two or three years about this. So. So I'LL just. This is the abbreviated version. So in the Celtic tradition, what is considered to be both the end of the year and the beginning of the year, the word actually means summer's end is the holiday of Samhain and it's not pronounced anywhere close to how it's spelled. So Samhain is the beginning of the year. It is the Celtic new year. It is the 31st of October.
• 32:17
  Speaker A: Oh, interesting.
• 32:19
  Speaker C: And it's called a cross quarter day. And cross quarter days mean that it is a holiday between the solstice, sun connected holidays, which is what you're talking about, the unit and most folks do. So salad is a cross quarter day. It is also the third of the harvest festivals. So this is the time of the year that the last of the crops are gathered in pumpkins, for example, and turnips. And you know, some of the hardier crops where I live, that's collard picking time, you know. So Samhain is that time of year of gathering in, bringing in the last of the crops, doing the end of the canning, the end of the preserving, making sure the wood pile stocked, cleaning, cleaning. And I mean, you know, we all do fall cleaning, right? So that's what Samhain is. The next holiday in the wheel is Yule and that is the winter solstice in the Northern hemisphere. That gets too crazy. Let's just do this, let's just do this in the Northern hemisphere. So you'll occurs of course, around December 20th, 21st, depending on when the sun crosses the Tropic of Capricorn. It's a whole astrological thing there. Well, Yule is that winter time when it is the darkest time of the year. So it's really that time of feeling safe and gathered around the hearth fire. Right. But the next day we can't tell it, we don't, we can't see it, we. But we can somehow feel it. We begin to move with the sun getting brighter and brighter. So we go from Yule to the next cross quarter day, which is called Imbolc. And that happens sometime around February 1 or February 2. And Imbolc, the word means in the belly. So it is a time of year when livestock is pregnant. Sheep, for example, are pregnant. It's a time of early lambing. Often there are babies that are born early at Imbolc, it's the time of year when the land is still under the blanket of snow, but underneath that the world is waking up. Crocuses are just beginning to come up through the snow. So Imbolc is a Time of honoring that awakening of Mother Earth. It is also deeply connected to the Celtic goddess of Brigid. And she is the goddess of wells, poetry, smithery, milk, lambs, fire. I think I've rattled them all off. I think I've got them all. So it's that time of honoring that transition in the Catholic tradition. You call that holiday candle mass?
• 35:23
  Speaker B: Yes.
• 35:25
  Speaker C: Right. There you go. What do you do? You walk a candle for St. Bridget through the sanctuary. Well, you got it from.
• 35:34
  Speaker B: From the Celts, Celtic people. Yeah, we got a lot from them.
• 35:37
  Speaker C: I know you did. And that's. See, that's that connectedness stuff. Then we go from Imbolc to the vernal equinox, the spring equinox, which is the spring. And it's called Ostara. And Ostara comes from the Germanic tradition, which related to a goddess whose name was Ostarae, which, if you look at the word when it's written, it looks like estrogen. Looks a lot like. Exactly.
• 36:11
  Speaker A: So interesting.
• 36:12
  Speaker C: So this is a time of fertility. It's a time of birthing and getting prepared for a longer gestation period. So we have eggs and bunnies. Right? Symbols of fertility. Right, Right. So that's what we have at spring, and we know what spring looks like. The next Holiday happens around May 1st. The fernal equinox is March 20th to 21st, depending on, again, the calendar. Then the next holiday is another cross quarter day. It's called beltane. Happens on May 1. If you were fortunate enough and are old enough to be a child whose classroom, as an elementary school, danced around a maypole. That is from the Beltane ceremony. What you're doing when you're dancing around and decorating that maple is. You're doing a very sensual fertility rite.
• 37:14
  Speaker B: Oh, they shouldn't have had us do that.
• 37:17
  Speaker C: They didn't know. They shouldn't have.
• 37:19
  Speaker B: It seems a little inappropriate now.
• 37:22
  Speaker C: Well, I'm trying to be very fragile about how I describe this, but it is a time of symbolically fertilizing the fields. This is a time of asking the spirits, the gods, whoever you're talking to, to please bless the seeds you're getting ready to sow so that the crops do well.
• 37:45
  Speaker B: And in modern day, what would we be asking a blessing for? Because if I don't have crops, what would I.
• 37:52
  Speaker C: Whatever you want to. To grow in your life.
• 37:55
  Speaker B: Got it?
• 37:56
  Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. And then the next holiday is summer solstice, and that is called lifa. L I T H A lifa and litha is a time of year of the things are planted, things are growing, it's hot. It's a time to cavort with the fairy realm. This is where Shakespeare got A Midsummer Night's Dream from how we got here, it's Midsummer's Night, which is weird because it's summer, actually. But anyway, so we're in the height of summer. And then the next holiday is the last cross quarter day, and it is August 1 ish, and it is Lughnassa. There's also, in the Catholic tradition, it was called Lamas, which. That word means loaf mass. The Celtic name Lughnasa is named after a Celtic God named Lou who instituted the holiday in honor of his mother. It is the first of the three harvest festivals, and it is honoring the harvest of grain and corn.
• 39:10
  Speaker A: Got it.
• 39:11
  Speaker C: So it. Obviously, it's a bread holiday. Lots of bread.
• 39:14
  Speaker B: I love bread.
• 39:15
  Speaker C: Yeah. Who doesn't? So, all right, so there you go. And then the Last of the eight holidays is the autumnal equinox, which occurs somewhere around September 21st. And it is called Mabon M A B A N. And Maven is the second of the harvest festivals. So you've got Lughnasa, and Maven and Samhain are the three harvest festivals. And Maven is that harvesting of all those fruits and vegetables, apples, for example, that come kind of that time of year. So there you go. The eight holidays in a nutshell.
• 39:50
  Speaker A: Thank you so much. That's fascinating. A lot of these I feel like I already knew, but thank you for putting it together. I read at some point that it was the cross quarter times in particular when the Veil Thins. Have you ever heard that or read that?
• 40:07
  Speaker C: There's not. That's too broad. There are two of the. Two of the four. Samhain and Beltane.
• 40:15
  Speaker A: Oh, those two in particular.
• 40:18
  Speaker C: Yeah, that's. That's where the whole Halloween stuff came from.
• 40:22
  Speaker A: Okay, thank you.
• 40:25
  Speaker C: You're welcome.
• 40:26
  Speaker A: Great question, children.
• 40:30
  Speaker B: Go on. What are you gonna say?
• 40:32
  Speaker A: Well, there's a question about. So all of this information is very interesting, but to your readers, like, what do you hope readers will get out of the book in terms of connecting with nature and the changing of the seasons and the rhythm of the year? Like, what are you hoping people will read and take from all of this very fascinating information.
• 40:54
  Speaker C: Oh, Jen, thank you. That's a lovely question. Claire and I started out when we first started talking about doing this project, and we still today, three years later, are still saying that. What we hope is that folks will see that every day there are changes and subtleties in Our relationship with the natural world that we need to pay attention to that when we pay attention to nature, nature pays attention to us. And when we honor it, then we don't destroy it. I'm a. Well, if I had my druthers, what I'd really do for a living is I'd be a really big bad environmental advocate. But in other. I'm hearing it said, but so I would. We really do invite people to really look, to really know, touch a tree, say thank you. I mean, I touch the trees in my yard all the time and go out there and talk to them. And for doing the craft pieces, there's a. That's a lovely way of honoring and connecting so that you begin to. You can use those crafts in lots of ways. For example, for Samhain, there's a knitted pumpkin thing. And they're really cute. They're really cute. And created this really fun thing where these. And you can make them fun decorations for the fall. Right. But you could also put them on. On your altar as a way to remind yourself to be grateful for the abundance in your life because pumpkins are certainly a symbol of that. Right. So. So how do we take this fun history stuff, the fun craft stuff, and then remember that it's also a part of who we are spiritually and how we connect to the world around us. And that's what we hope folks take away.
• 42:55
  Speaker A: I love that. And Deb, I'm personally, I have a real problem. Every year around the time of Imbolc, when February rolls around, that is so tough for me because I feel like it's still dark. I'm impatient for spring. And instead of honoring where. Where I am in the. The rhythm of the seasons, I want to fight against it.
• 43:22
  Speaker B: Do you know what I mean?
• 43:23
  Speaker A: I wanna be like, where is spring? I wanna check my. The weather. I wanna check the calendar. And I'm so impatient. The groundhog. I. A groundhog. Exactly. I am really excited to dig in specifically to that and see how can I live more in sort of. What's the word?
• 43:45
  Speaker B: Harmony. Yes.
• 43:47
  Speaker A: Live in harmony. Ride the wave of where I am and honor it and not try to be impatient. Am I on the right track thinking that that will help my.
• 43:58
  Speaker C: Have two suggestions for you with that, Jen.
• 44:00
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 44:01
  Speaker C: One of my favorite books. Here I go back book again. Oh, I love this is Clarissa Pinkoli's Estes Women who Run with the Wolves. I love that book. And some years ago I was in a real quandary about a transition point in my life. And I I just couldn't make up my mind. So I was meditating and I heard this voice say, when it's time, it's time. And I thought, where, where, where did that come from? And then I realized that it was a line from a book somewhere.
• 44:40
  Speaker A: Oh.
• 44:41
  Speaker C: So I closed my eyes and I started scrolling up this page in this book in my mind's eye. And I come to the line, when it's time, it's time. I scroll on up to the top and it's a page in Women who Run with the Wolves. So I came and pulled the book off my shelf and I opened the book to that page and there it was. And I had underlined it sometime before. So when it's time, it's time is a reminder to me that there is a rhythm, there is a process that. That the wheel will turn. It's one of the pieces that I love the most about the. The metaphor of the wheel burning is it will turn. The other thing is to remember what some of the symbols of the holiday of Imbolk are. Think back to what I just told you about Bridget. Fire. So that's about energy and what you can be doing. Light. Think about her candles. Think about her sacred well. And that you too have within you a wellspring. Right of that. She's a goddess of smithery. So iron something that is. That is forged. What is forged right within us. She is the goddess of poetry. So finding some poems to read would be a really good thing to do too. So there are, There are. And food. Milk based and honey based food. You might try what that might be like for you. I'm trying to think. A group of friends and I once did honey facials.
• 46:21
  Speaker B: Oh, fun.
• 46:22
  Speaker C: Yeah, well, it was if you got. If you could get it off, but it was fun. We did a lot of stuff, crazy stuff with honey. So.
• 46:33
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 46:34
  Speaker C: So see there, once. Once you connect to what can I be doing with this holiday, which is what Claire offers in the book. There's a Bridget's cross. There's a lovely cross. It's on the COVID of the book. You probably know what that's like from I.
• 46:49
  Speaker A: Yes, I've seen that in the. Yes, yes.
• 46:52
  Speaker C: There it is right there.
• 46:53
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 46:55
  Speaker A: Beautiful.
• 46:56
  Speaker B: Yeah, It's a beautiful book.
• 46:58
  Speaker C: It is a beautiful book. I'm very, very honored that the book is so pretty. But, you know, so. Yeah, what you do can get through the time of the years that are. That are hard for you.
• 47:09
  Speaker A: Oh, thank you so much that. That's so helpful.
• 47:13
  Speaker B: During the process of creating this book. Did you experience any unexpected lessons that you had learned or any unexpected blessings that you had come across when you.
• 47:23
  Speaker C: Were working with Claire is certainly a blessing. She is about the most even keeled, kind human being. I mean, she's just wonderful. And we really had a lovely experience working together. We also had an editor who was just amazing. Our editor was just amazing. And interestingly, she didn't change anything I wrote. She was a great editor. She just didn't edit. She edited, but she didn't do it, except for the spelling, because she changed everything to the British spelling.
• 47:55
  Speaker B: Oh, funny.
• 47:57
  Speaker C: Yeah. So everything. All those you's are there. You know, all that stuff. But that was fun. But she was great. So it's a great process. That process was wonderful. But I also, as Claire and I brainstormed ideas about craft projects, most of them are Claire's ideas. So let me be very clear about that. They're mostly hers. But we did come up with a couple of things where I thought, how about if we try this couple of macrame projects?
• 48:27
  Speaker A: It's very trendy right now. Deb, did you know that?
• 48:28
  Speaker C: I heard it was. I heard that it was 50 years ago too. So it's come back around. I mean, I have friends who have macrame curtains in their house, you know, oh, wow, that was 50 years ago.
• 48:43
  Speaker A: So do you have a favorite time of year and. Or a favorite ritual or craft or practice that corresponds to one of your favorite times of year?
• 48:56
  Speaker C: I celebrate all eight holidays.
• 48:58
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 48:58
  Speaker C: I. I celebrate them all because it's a. It's a part of the process. You know, they don't live in a vacuum. Just like we were talking about beliefs being connected. So is the wheel. It's ever spinning and ever connected. However, to the truth is Samhain is my favorite holiday. Yeah, I. I love that. It is both a time of reflection and a time of preparation and planning for the next year. So I love that. I love fall foods. I try to be a nice person. I don't always succeed, but try to be a nice person because I want to go to heaven and heaven is going to be an oyster roast. I got my first oyster night for my fifth birthday. I still have it and I still use it.
• 49:51
  Speaker A: So oysters are a fall food.
• 49:54
  Speaker C: Where.
• 49:54
  Speaker A: I didn't know. I did not know that. Wow.
• 49:56
  Speaker B: We're from the Midwest. We're very.
• 49:58
  Speaker C: Oh, you don't know.
• 50:00
  Speaker A: We have pumpkins and pumpkins. There's a lot of pumpkins in Illinois.
• 50:05
  Speaker C: We have pumpkins here too. But so I Love fall food. Yeah. I love the. I love the fall food, and I love pumpkins and, you know, all the traditional things that we would think of about that. But. But I love the. I love the ritual of endings and beginnings.
• 50:22
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 50:23
  Speaker C: That come with salad and that honoring of the ancestors.
• 50:27
  Speaker B: That.
• 50:27
  Speaker A: Yes, I love that, too.
• 50:29
  Speaker C: That's a big part of it.
• 50:31
  Speaker A: And interesting that that's. That's the first. Like, you're. You say that. That that's for you, the beginning, whereas most of us.
• 50:38
  Speaker C: New Year for me.
• 50:39
  Speaker A: Okay, very good. And is that based on. See, I'm gonna say the wrong thing. Is that based on, like, a Wiccan tradition?
• 50:50
  Speaker C: That's an old Celtic tradition.
• 50:51
  Speaker A: Celtic. Okay.
• 50:52
  Speaker C: This is way, way, way older than that stuff.
• 50:55
  Speaker B: Okay, gotcha.
• 50:55
  Speaker C: Gotcha. The Celtic tradition is way older than that, so.
• 50:59
  Speaker A: Fascinating. Jill, what do you want to ask from here?
• 51:02
  Speaker B: I want to go into the speed round. Love it. Because we. Our time is almost up, and so let me explain the speed round to you.
• 51:09
  Speaker A: No one's scared, Deb.
• 51:10
  Speaker B: Can you believe it's almost been an hour already? I can listen to you.
• 51:13
  Speaker C: I have.
• 51:14
  Speaker B: I've listened to your voice for many hours in the car.
• 51:17
  Speaker A: So many hours, Deb.
• 51:20
  Speaker B: But we created the speed round so that we can get to know you better. And it's just fun, little quick questions, and there's only about, like, seven or eight of them, but my favorite one, if you're ready, go ahead. Okay. What tarot card do you connect with the most and why?
• 51:38
  Speaker C: There have to be two answers for that. And one. One is. One is Temperance and the other is the Hermit.
• 51:44
  Speaker B: Really?
• 51:45
  Speaker A: Well, we will accept two answers for that one, will we not, Jill?
• 51:48
  Speaker B: I will accept that. Do you want to tell us why.
• 51:51
  Speaker A: Temperance and the Hermit?
• 51:53
  Speaker C: Okay, I'm going to use up all my time here.
• 51:55
  Speaker B: No, no, no.
• 51:56
  Speaker A: This is as long as you like.
• 51:58
  Speaker B: Yeah. We want to be respectful of your time because we can do this all day.
• 52:02
  Speaker C: So. So I have on the. On the Temperance key. The figure that is in the center of the key has a breastplate that is a triangle inside a square. And I have that tattooed on my hand.
• 52:15
  Speaker B: Oh.
• 52:17
  Speaker C: Because it, for me, represents the idea of balance of mind, body, spirit, mother, maiden, crone, balance of the four directions, the four elements. And you add the triangle and the square together, and you get. You have a three and a four, and you get seven, which is my name number and my birth number. It is also the name number of cosmic consciousness. So that symbol is deeply, deeply personal to me. In addition to that, the Figure has one foot on the ground of consciousness and one foot in the water of the unconscious and it's pouring water back and forth. So again, it's that looking for balance and connection that we see in tarot. The hermit is the most deceptively simple key in the deck. It's an old man standing on a mountaintop with a staff in one hand and a lantern in the other. And he's all great. No, that's not it. He is standing on the same mountaintop that the fool was standing on. I didn't realize that the water flows off of the mountaintop the fool is standing on and eventually flows. And the figure in the world key, key 21 is dancing in that water from the mountain. So you see this evolution of the water going through the major arcana. In addition to that, the lantern that the hermit is holding is a six pointed star which is symbolic of as above, so below. So there's that again, that notion of connectedness. He is both the guide, the teacher, the wisdom wise person and the wisdom seeker because he is on the move with that staff.
• 54:10
  Speaker B: I love it.
• 54:11
  Speaker A: Thank you so much.
• 54:12
  Speaker C: And on and I'll show.
• 54:16
  Speaker A: Love it. Fascinating. I, I would not pick those two for you. That's very interesting. Okay. Ouija boards. Good, bad. Would you recommend people use them as tools to connect with spirits?
• 54:33
  Speaker C: No, because I've had some really amazing experiences with Ouija board when I was younger and not did, had not yet learned to ask questions about discernment. They don't. Not for me.
• 54:47
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 54:48
  Speaker C: Okay.
• 54:49
  Speaker B: We respect that.
• 54:50
  Speaker A: I think. You know what? I think we're in the same camp on that we have both have had in our, in our stupid youth experiences. And now that we know more. Yeah, you know, yeah.
• 55:02
  Speaker B: But they are beautiful just to have, I think as art. I think they're just beautiful pieces. You can get pretty ones.
• 55:09
  Speaker A: Okay, Jill, your turn.
• 55:11
  Speaker B: What makes a good psychic and what makes a bad psychic? Are there signs of either when you like you're getting a reading or giving a reading or you're like, oh, you.
• 55:19
  Speaker C: Know, the psychics are never 100 accurate. If a psychic tells you that, they are never wrong. Run.
• 55:27
  Speaker B: That's good.
• 55:29
  Speaker C: Psychics are humans. We're all human. Remember? Psychics are all of us. Remember that. I, I, I don't know about bad psychics, but, but I would just say that if you're, if you're reading with someone professionally, they, they have an obligation, I believe, to be honest, to be kind, but also to know where the limits of what they're able to share really is.
• 55:58
  Speaker A: Thank you. It's very helpful. Is there any mystical or woo woo theory that for you is just too out there? Anything that you won't. That's just too, too out there.
• 56:12
  Speaker C: I probably don't even know what that. Probably don't even know what that stuff is.
• 56:19
  Speaker A: You don't know what you don't know.
• 56:20
  Speaker C: I don't know what. I don't know. I, I will tell you this. Samantha is the one of us who just loves all that paranormal stuff. And I've said that on the air. You know, I'm not saying anything I hadn't said to her. She loves, she just eats that stuff up. And I'm like, Samantha, you know, we have a listener, for example, who emailed me years ago and he said, would you please, I know this is more work for you, but would you be willing. I hope he doesn't listen to your show because I'm getting ready to say what he doesn't want to hear. He's. Would you be willing to let me know if you guys are going to do an episode talking about Black Eyed Children? And I said, I will do that for you. And every time since then for over the years, I have emailed him and said, next week's show talks about the Black Eyed children. Don't listen.
• 57:17
  Speaker B: That's really sweet of you.
• 57:21
  Speaker A: I don't know what that is.
• 57:23
  Speaker C: You don't want to know. Don't, don't ask.
• 57:26
  Speaker A: I'm not going to ask you.
• 57:28
  Speaker B: She doesn't.
• 57:29
  Speaker A: Dr. Samantha.
• 57:30
  Speaker B: That's what she says. Don't do spooky.
• 57:32
  Speaker C: That's what she don't do spooky.
• 57:33
  Speaker A: Okay. Okay. Wow. Interesting.
• 57:36
  Speaker B: How do you recognize the opportunity for spiritual growth and when that opportunity arises, do you always like to jump in and you're like, okay, spirit, or sometimes you like spirit? I'm just not today.
• 57:48
  Speaker C: And sometimes I'm kicking and screaming, yes. No, leave me alone. I don't want to learn that lesson. Sometimes those lessons are hard, you know, I sometimes don't know that. I always know them, Jill. I don't. I think there may be times when I look back and think, oh man, I missed that went right over my head, whatever it was, you know, can I, can I have a do over? Can I fix that? You know, so there's that sometimes, but I have routines and rituals that I hope help me stay on track and stay aware.
• 58:28
  Speaker B: Yeah, I love that.
• 58:31
  Speaker C: Before my feet hit the floor in the morning, I say thank you. Before I go to sleep at night, I Say thank you. You know, Emoto, who wrote the book about hidden messages in water, said that the most important thing we can do in life is gratitude. And I. And I do believe that.
• 58:45
  Speaker A: Actually, I do, too.
• 58:48
  Speaker B: I have so many notes just writing all this down. I know.
• 58:53
  Speaker A: I don't think I've ever learned so much from an interview. I'll keep going. Just a few more, Deb.
• 58:57
  Speaker C: Okay.
• 58:58
  Speaker A: What psychic, living or deceased, would you most like to meet and learn from?
• 59:03
  Speaker C: Oh, what a great question, Edgar. Casey.
• 59:07
  Speaker A: Oh, good one, love.
• 59:10
  Speaker C: You know, Samantha and I have presented several times at the Cayce Institute.
• 59:14
  Speaker B: I did not know that.
• 59:14
  Speaker C: Yeah. If you go to their website and look up our names, you can see things we've talked about and done.
• 59:20
  Speaker A: Wow.
• 59:22
  Speaker C: And both of us have been there. In fact, she's been there more recently than I have. Edgar Cayce was just amazing. I would love, love, love to have a conversation with him.
• 59:33
  Speaker A: What a pioneer.
• 59:35
  Speaker B: I would have loved to be able to read like he could. Just like, sleeping on the book and waking up like that would be amazing.
• 59:40
  Speaker C: College would have been different, wouldn't it?
• 59:42
  Speaker B: Yeah. I would have been a lot better at school, I'll tell you that much. If you had the opportunity to give a message to a new soul being incarnated for the first time, what message would you give?
• 59:57
  Speaker C: Ron? No. Oh, this is, you know, my. My knee jerk reaction to that question is, man, this is a screwed up planet. Are you sure you want to hang out here? But you're not wrong. I know it. Unfortunately, I know I'm not live in the light and trust the process.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker B: Oh, I love it.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker A: Beautiful. So what's next for you, Deb? Like, what's in your future? What, what, what will you be doing in the next year, few years? What are your plans?
• 1:00:29
  Speaker C: Oh, golly. Well, you know, I'm in the midst of. Of doing this marketing for this book. One of my favorite authors is a man named Jason Mott. Jason won the National Book Award with his last book called Hell of a Book. And he's just published a new book called People Like Us. And he is from where I live. And he had a book launch party last night at the same bookstore that's going to do the launch party for my book. And so I went to see Jason last night. I've taken several workshops and classes with him and just adore him. And he was talking about that tension of he's in the middle of marketing this book and yet he's making notes for the next book and writing and working. And I'm like, son, when do you sleep? I mean, I didn't say that to him, but I sure wanted to ask. And so that's the tension for me is when I feel like I have the least amount of time to dedicate to it. That's when the writing stuff bubbles up and I want to keep writing. I have published several pieces, I'm not quite sure how many now in a literary journal that focuses on some environmental work. And I'd love to have some more time to get back to my environmental writing. So there's that. There's a novel that needs like its umpteenth edit. So that's floating around out there too. The other. Yeah, I wrote the first draft some years ago, so. So that's floating around. It needs updating. And then I keep coming up with ideas of other kinds of courses that I want to teach. And yet I've got a lot of folks wanting to know when I'm going to get back to my regular routine and cycle by tarot courses. So there's that. That's probably enough.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker A: That's a lot.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker B: That's a lot.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker A: That's a lot.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker C: Well, I just don't have time to die. I got too much to do.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker A: You better.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker B: We need you around speaking wisdom and bringing the light because you are just like you're a lighthouse. So thank you so much. How can people get their hands on your new book, Crafting the Wheel of the Year?
• 1:02:38
  Speaker C: Several ways. They can go to my website, debboen.coM-E-B-B-O-W-E-N.com if they, if your listeners are outside the U.S. they can go to Claire's website, which is woolcouture company.com. so you can do it that way. And if you go to our website and order directly from us, you get these pre sale goodies that Claire has created. I've done a meditation. Claire has created a crochet Merlin the cat pattern. Oh for my Merlin and I know it makes me cry. And a crochet, no, a knitted Minerva the owl pattern. And there's something else that may be all I can think of. So anyway, so you get these gifts that go with that but you can also order from bookshop.org if you order from bookshop.org, a portion of the proceed of the book goes to my favorite bookstore, brick and mortar bookstore. So that's nice. But you can also order from the online stores, you know, Barnes and Noble and Amazon. Your local bookstore would be really lovely as well. So anyway, Anywhere there's a book sold, target all those places you can, it'll be there. I'm hoping around the 16th of September. We're crossing our fingers because it's got a long ways to go from the printer to however all that marketing stuff happens. So if you don't get it on the. But let me know what I will.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker B: I will email you and let you.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker C: Know, because I don't have any way of knowing that.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker A: How can people find you, Deb? If they, if they want to reach out to you for, you know, to, to connect, how can they find you on my website?
• 1:04:26
  Speaker C: If you go to my website, there's a link to my email address, there's a link to my newsletter. I'd really love for folks to subscribe to my newsletter, which I send out every two or three weeks when I've got something new to say. I don't just send it out for the heck of blowing up your email address, but if you subscribe to my newsletter, that then is the best way to keep up with new offerings, new courses, new whatever, what I'm doing. It took me a long time to understand that people don't listen to our podcast episodes in order. People just cherry pick. What's up with that? In my mind, all of that's some kind of, you know, but that's not the way the world works. I know. So. So that's. So you miss stuff, you know, or you hear something, you go, oh, are you teaching that class? I didn't see it on your website. No, that podcast episode was three months ago. So my newsletter is the best way to keep up with what I'm doing.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker A: Perfect.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker B: Psychic Teachers is found on any place that we're getting our podcasts.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker C: Yes. If you just type in, you know, Psychic Teachers, it comes up in itunes and Apple, all.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker A: Everywhere.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker C: All. That's all those things. All those places. Yeah, absolutely. But don't just Google me. And I'm not saying you shouldn't do it. Let me do it. But here's what, here's what happens. Oh, this always happens after I do an interview. Like, this is somebody just can't remember what my website is and so they google me. And for some reason, and I don't know how this works, they get a really old edition of my website and they write me an email and like, want to do a one card to row reading for, you know, I haven't done those in years. So.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker B: So debboen.com right. Wonderful.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker A: All right, Deb, is there anything else in closing that you wanted to tell.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker C: Our listeners just thank you so much for this conversation. I have had such a good time. I hope I've done what you wanted me to do.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker B: Oh, my God, you are wonderful. Thank you so much for being so generous and thank you for bringing the light into this world. And we've learned so much from you. So thank you. Thank you.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker C: Thank you, thank you. I appreciate it. Take care.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker A: Love you. Take care.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker B: Thank you.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker A: Bye bye, bye, bye.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker B: Oh, my God. How wonderful. I wrote down so many notes, Jennifer.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker A: She's just a lovely human being. And I see all of your notes, Jill. I see them all.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker B: It was hard to. Because I was just like. It was like a class, literally. So much information.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker A: Yeah. I'm really excited about the book that she has coming out, Crafting the Wheel of the Year. And she's just so lovely. It was a true honor speaking to her. But did you want to tell our listeners where they can find us? Yes.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker B: Please check out our website, commonmystics.net you can email us for reading requests and for class requests@commonmysticsmail.com please find us on all the socials@commonmystics pod. And don't forget, please share. Tell people about us because we're growing and it makes us so happy. My tail wags every time I see more numbers going up, up, up, up, up.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker A: Find us on Patreon as well. We would love, love, love to have you join our community at any tier. Patreon keeps the lights on around here. So we truly appreciate all of our listeners, but especially the ones on Patreon who are supporting us. And also, I am planning another psychic development class for beginners. So reach out if you are interested in being a part of that this fall again@common mysticsmail.com and don't forget, we're.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker B: Looking for a midwestern haunted house that Jennifer and I can tour. It's again, we're going to come to your home. Weird. Not weird. We're safe. We're safe, people.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker A: This makes me a little nervous. I don't know if it's making our listeners a little nervous.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker B: Am I coming on to start?
• 1:08:33
  Speaker A: I.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker B: Sometimes I do that.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker C: Oh, my God.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker B: But you guys, I think it would make a great Halloween episode. Let us talk to your spirits and let us tell you why they're still there.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker B: And what happened to them.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker A: Sounds like a plan. Okay, thank you. Thank you guys.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker B: Love you. Bye bye. This has been a Common Mystics Media production editing done by Yokai Audio, Kalamazoo, Michigan.