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S3E26: You Are Boring · Black Ibis Social Club

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SPEAKER_00: Good afternoon and welcome to the Black Ibis Social Club.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Alexandru Constantin, and we have Fisto in the studio like usual.
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome.
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome everybody in live chat.
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SPEAKER_00: Everybody's slowly trickling in.
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SPEAKER_00: And then welcome to all you guys listening in the future, right?
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SPEAKER_00: The future is always bright and beautiful, right, Fisto?
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, absolutely, sir.
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SPEAKER_00: For the few of you guys that are here listening to the intro music,
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SPEAKER_00: which will not be on the recorded podcast, it's Space Lion from Cowboy Bebop.
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SPEAKER_00: That was a question in the chat.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: Our secret intro music that only live listeners can experience.
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SPEAKER_00: It's the...
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SPEAKER_00: And the reason,
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SPEAKER_00: obviously,
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SPEAKER_00: why only live listeners can experience is because I have to cut it out or I'm going
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SPEAKER_00: to get hit with a copyright strike.
1:03
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I really enjoy the Cowboy Bebop music.
1:07
SPEAKER_00: I don't know why I've been in the mood for it.
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SPEAKER_00: Mostly because I finished it two weeks ago.
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SPEAKER_00: And then I know in the chat, Max Gigatti has finished Cowboy Bebop.
1:18
SPEAKER_00: And...
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SPEAKER_00: Everybody I know is watching Samurai Champloo right now,
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SPEAKER_00: which if you've never seen Samurai Champloo, it's really good.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm sure it is.
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SPEAKER_00: Picking up some weird stuff on your end, Fisto.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on.
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SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
1:33
SPEAKER_01: I got to take some Robitussin.
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SPEAKER_01: Give me a minute.
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SPEAKER_00: Enjoy Robitussin.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I actually have one major topic I want to talk about today,
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SPEAKER_00: and I'm going to put that one as my second primary topic,
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SPEAKER_00: which is People being boring and specifically, you know, you being boring.
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SPEAKER_00: And the other topic I want to talk about actually came to us today because I decided
2:00
SPEAKER_00: to get into a Substack tiff with somebody that triggered my,
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SPEAKER_00: it just really triggered me, man.
2:06
SPEAKER_00: It really triggered me.
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SPEAKER_00: And I kind of wanted to explain that.
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SPEAKER_00: But before we go into any topics, I kind of want to do some housekeeping.
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SPEAKER_00: So
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SPEAKER_00: I have been thinking about how to structure the podcast and how to structure the time.
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SPEAKER_00: And one of the things that,
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SPEAKER_00: if you guys remember,
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SPEAKER_00: some of you guys are listening now and in the future,
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SPEAKER_00: have listened to the old Seasons episode.
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SPEAKER_00: We used to have a lot of guests on, and we haven't been doing that many guests in a while.
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SPEAKER_00: And I started thinking, why are we not doing guests?
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SPEAKER_00: And one of the main reasons why we haven't done as many guests is because
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SPEAKER_00: when I invite somebody onto the podcast or Fisto invites somebody in the podcast,
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SPEAKER_00: it's usually a writer or some kind of a, usually a writer for the most part, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
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SPEAKER_00: The reason is because I just don't have the time to read their books.
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SPEAKER_00: I have been woefully unread in the last few months just between work and all this stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: And realistically,
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SPEAKER_00: without going into extra deep details,
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SPEAKER_00: I just haven't really been in the best state of mind to do a lot of research and
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SPEAKER_00: a lot of Really,
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SPEAKER_00: the level of intent reading that somebody who is a guest on a podcast deserves.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to skim your book and invite you to talk about your book.
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SPEAKER_00: I feel like that's kind of a shit way to do things.
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SPEAKER_00: Every single guest we've ever had,
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SPEAKER_00: I have not only read their work,
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SPEAKER_00: But I've taken notes on it and come up with interesting questions about their work
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SPEAKER_00: and their career and their plans and that kind of stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: And you guys can go listen to the old episodes.
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SPEAKER_00: There's tons of different authors on there that I've invited.
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SPEAKER_00: So the main reason is between my surgery and recovery from surgery and all
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SPEAKER_00: the other kind of stuff,
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SPEAKER_00: I just haven't really been in the best state of mind to When you're in pain
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SPEAKER_00: and taking pain meds,
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SPEAKER_00: you really can't focus on reading deep novels and really be into it.
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SPEAKER_00: But now I'm better.
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SPEAKER_00: Now I'm doing much better.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm feeling great and I have more time.
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SPEAKER_00: The other thing is when we switched to doing this as a live stream,
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SPEAKER_00: which I absolutely enjoyed doing a live stream,
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SPEAKER_00: we went from doing one episode a month to doing four episodes a month.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm starting to realize that maybe doing four episodes a month is not
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SPEAKER_00: the best way to do things if we're going to do interviews.
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SPEAKER_00: So I have an on-air live proposal, which is the first Fistos ever heard about this.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm thinking of switching our live streams.
4:52
SPEAKER_00: Oh, snap.
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SPEAKER_01: Just throw me under the bus.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm thinking of switching our live streams to every other week, right?
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SPEAKER_00: And turning them down twice a month.
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SPEAKER_00: And then in between,
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SPEAKER_00: that would allow us to actually do episodes with guests,
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SPEAKER_00: you know, like where I can actually meet people and have more time.
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SPEAKER_00: And also what I want to do,
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SPEAKER_00: and this is something I've been planning for a while,
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SPEAKER_00: but Once again, because of my surgery, I didn't expect it to hurt that much.
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't think it was going to be such a long kind of recovery.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Just having major spinal surgery.
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SPEAKER_01: I didn't think it was going to hurt that.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Sorry about being near paralyzed.
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SPEAKER_00: I thought I was going to walk home.
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SPEAKER_00: I actually had these foolish ideas.
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SPEAKER_01: One of the key parts of my body didn't really expect it to hurt.
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SPEAKER_01: My bad.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't realize that three levels of my cervical spine being drilled out.
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SPEAKER_00: Surprisingly, though, I've recovered fantastically.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm way above the norm.
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SPEAKER_00: Bounced back.
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SPEAKER_00: Bounced back.
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SPEAKER_00: But I feel like between work and doing this podcast every week,
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SPEAKER_00: I just don't have a lot of time to like read a bunch of stuff
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SPEAKER_00: and take notes like how I was doing before.
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SPEAKER_00: So one of the things I wanted to do for a while is I wanted to do more episodes
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SPEAKER_00: that were more along the lines of,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: I read a book,
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SPEAKER_00: we do a review on the book and talk about the book or pick a specific topic, pick
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SPEAKER_00: Pick a specific topic like cyberpunk.
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SPEAKER_00: The topic of cyberpunk and do an in-depth thing with video and audio and graphics
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SPEAKER_00: and stuff and recommendations and do more stuff like that.
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SPEAKER_00: In order to do that, I need some time.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm thinking we're going to switch to every two weeks like a bi-monthly thing.
6:43
SPEAKER_00: I'm confused.
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SPEAKER_00: Does bi-monthly mean Twice a month or does it mean every other month?
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SPEAKER_01: I never know what that means.
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SPEAKER_01: So I guess it would be bi-weekly?
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SPEAKER_00: Bi-weekly?
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I think that's kind of what we're going to go for.
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SPEAKER_00: We do every other week.
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SPEAKER_00: I feel like, because here's what I've noticed happens, right?
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SPEAKER_00: I have a lot of material to talk about.
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SPEAKER_00: We always do, right?
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SPEAKER_01: And a lot of you guys are always listening and
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SPEAKER_00: But I'm afraid of that with
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SPEAKER_00: the
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SPEAKER_00: weekly kind of schedule and the fact that I go to work and I come home,
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SPEAKER_00: I clean up the house real fast and we do this.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't have a lot of in-between time and weekends I'm hanging out with my daughter
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SPEAKER_00: and all this stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: So sometimes there's a tendency on days where I'm real tired
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SPEAKER_00: and feel like reading up on anything or just nothing interesting happened to kind
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SPEAKER_00: of I can feel it growing in me to kind of slip into,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: Substack nonsense of the week or like whatever drama of the week, which is fine.
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SPEAKER_00: It's fundamentally fine because that's kind of the point of the podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: The point of the podcast has always been to like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: two guys sitting around a coffee shop,
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SPEAKER_00: you know, in this case, the very elite, very, you know,
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SPEAKER_00: The best looking
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SPEAKER_00: and the best read people on all ofSubstack right now.
8:16
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
8:17
SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: And, you know,
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SPEAKER_00: we sit around and have a great conversation about the topics,
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SPEAKER_00: but I don't want it to devolve into just,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: like there's a lot of people who do streams,
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SPEAKER_00: live streams and stuff,
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SPEAKER_00: and it's just like bitching about whatever's going on in the news.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, oh, let's talk about the same...
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: when the,
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SPEAKER_01: because knowing what we were going to talk about today, I nearly, see, hear that?
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SPEAKER_01: If it wasn't for my call,
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SPEAKER_01: I would have let off the stream just going,
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SPEAKER_01: welcome, welcome to Substack's premiere bitch podcast.
8:52
SPEAKER_01: Like, it's just,
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SPEAKER_01: just Alex,
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SPEAKER_01: you wouldn't, like, we could even, we could even do the branding like this.
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SPEAKER_01: Alex, you wouldn't believe.
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SPEAKER_01: The retarded shit I saw on Substack this week.
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SPEAKER_01: And that could just be the show.
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SPEAKER_01: And then we'd get a gong and everything.
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SPEAKER_01: And it would turn into a morning radio show.
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SPEAKER_00: Alex and Fisto insult people for posting stupid shit on Substack.
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SPEAKER_00: Which is fine.
9:15
SPEAKER_00: A lot of the stuff on Substack
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SPEAKER_00: It's interesting, you know, and it does lead to a lot of very interesting conversations.
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SPEAKER_00: I think Librarian of Calano,
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SPEAKER_00: he posted a great post recently,
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SPEAKER_00: the one about the Megadeth guy or whatever that he ran in the park.
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SPEAKER_00: It was a really like well-written quick piece that I think he brought on his phone
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SPEAKER_00: while he was sitting in a park.
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SPEAKER_00: And I mean, the guy knocks out bangers.
9:50
SPEAKER_00: But I've noticed that myself between my like fiction writing and just all
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SPEAKER_00: the busyness I've had, I've been...
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SPEAKER_00: I hate to be that guy.
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SPEAKER_00: I never go into this stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: I have not been in the full 100% brain space in the last few months.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's a lot of it has to do with the fact that I had surgery.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm in a weird part in my life, that kind of stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: So I haven't been in the best brain space and that hasn't led,
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SPEAKER_00: like I haven't really had the urge to write any pieces on Substack for a while.
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SPEAKER_00: I haven't done,
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SPEAKER_00: I've done mostly like shit posting and I'm kind of trying to finish this novel
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SPEAKER_00: and just a lot of work.
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SPEAKER_00: So I think that going to a bi-weekly for the live stream and then intersecting it,
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SPEAKER_00: whatever the hell the word is,
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SPEAKER_00: with like actual longer form stuff is going to be the ideal scenario going forward
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SPEAKER_00: in the future.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's going to lead to much better quality stuff for everybody.
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SPEAKER_00: Because it gives me two weeks to plan something that we can shoot back and forth.
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SPEAKER_00: Because I feel like sometimes we've fallen into playing catch up.
10:58
SPEAKER_01: That's fair.
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SPEAKER_00: So we'll slap the table on that one.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll go every other week.
11:03
SPEAKER_00: Bam.
11:03
SPEAKER_01: Done.
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SPEAKER_01: Table slapped.
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SPEAKER_00: There's an accord.
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SPEAKER_00: I might have to go down to Florida for a little bit, actually, to Tampa.
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SPEAKER_01: Whoa.
11:11
SPEAKER_01: Whoa.
11:11
SPEAKER_01: Whoa.
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SPEAKER_01: To Tampa?
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SPEAKER_01: That is within streaking distance.
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SPEAKER_00: So if I make it down to Tampa.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, that is within the striking distance of my swamp hideout.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I Googled it actually.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to say the time so you don't undoxy,
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SPEAKER_00: but it looks like it's well within reason from Tampa to where you're at.
11:31
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, no problem.
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SPEAKER_00: So in the general area.
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SPEAKER_00: So yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: I actually,
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SPEAKER_00: I might have to,
11:36
SPEAKER_00: depending,
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SPEAKER_00: I was talking to somebody today that was Trying to get me to go to Tampa for
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SPEAKER_00: a little bit, which would be kind of interesting.
11:47
SPEAKER_00: But yeah,
11:47
SPEAKER_00: so with that out of the way,
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SPEAKER_00: I wanted to kind of do exactly what I said I don't want to do,
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SPEAKER_00: which is talk about Substack stuff.
11:56
SPEAKER_01: One last hurrah.
11:58
SPEAKER_01: One last hurrah.
11:58
SPEAKER_00: One last hurrah.
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SPEAKER_00: No, we're always going to talk about Substack stuff.
12:01
SPEAKER_00: But I wanted to talk about it in kind of a way.
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SPEAKER_00: So I can't share it with you guys live or listening later because the guy blocked me.
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SPEAKER_00: But it's basically the same shit over again.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's some dweeber, some goon, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Some dweebo.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, some, some fatty with like tortoiseshell glasses.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: He probably,
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SPEAKER_00: he's probably not even fat and he probably doesn't even wear glasses,
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SPEAKER_00: but I just, I pictured this guy as being like, like that soft kind of fat dude.
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SPEAKER_00: That's just like,
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SPEAKER_00: kind of like a bag of mashed potatoes,
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SPEAKER_00: you know, like you're like, bag of marshmallows,
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SPEAKER_01: bag of melted marshmallows.
12:40
SPEAKER_00: And he, he's gotta,
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SPEAKER_00: he's gotta have a beard because all like real soft ass motherfuckers have beards
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SPEAKER_00: for some reason.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know what it is because beards are like, um, I'm sorry to guys that have beards.
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SPEAKER_00: Beards are often a disguise for the weak.
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SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_00: They're like a, they're like a, the beard is the true, like lifted truck.
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SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_00: Like, you know how people say like, oh yeah, you got a big ass truck.
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SPEAKER_00: You must have a small dick or something like that, right?
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SPEAKER_00: It's really the beard that like, that disguises a weak chin.
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SPEAKER_00: The lifted, the lifted trunk of the face.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it is.
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SPEAKER_00: The beard tends to be lift the truck of the face.
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SPEAKER_00: So a lot of guys that don't have a personality will just grow a beard and
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SPEAKER_00: that becomes their personality.
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SPEAKER_00: But this guy, he's definitely got a beard.
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SPEAKER_00: He probably wears those real fruity tortoiseshell glasses.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: I think it's called tortoiseshell.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know what it is about tortoiseshell glasses.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know that pattern that's like I can't even describe what tortoise,
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SPEAKER_00: Google tortoise shell, glasses frames.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like what Rod Dreher wears.
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SPEAKER_00: They're like circles and they're like brown, the different shades of brown.
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SPEAKER_00: It's kind of like
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SPEAKER_01: those thick frame ones that those chicks wear.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like a slappable face.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but like the tortoise shell, there's something about tortoise shell that really like...
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SPEAKER_00: These guys are really attracted to.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like distilled estrogen in like a material.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, Jesus.
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SPEAKER_00: But you saw the essay, right?
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SPEAKER_00: You saw the essay when I'm talking about, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Remind me because there's just, there's such a...
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SPEAKER_00: This is the guy, this is the guy.
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SPEAKER_00: It's your typical ortho bros are stupid, blah, blah, blah.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, that whole thing, you know?
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SPEAKER_00: It's like this whole attack on ortho bros.
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SPEAKER_00: It's just nonsensical.
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SPEAKER_00: Addressing the essay is not the point.
14:44
SPEAKER_00: The point is there's a lot of people that see these Almost like every three months,
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SPEAKER_00: there's a new like, you know, well, I've been an orthodox convert for 10 years.
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SPEAKER_00: And all these new guys coming in are just a bunch of evil fascists.
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SPEAKER_00: And oh me, oh my, you know, I'm an ortho Flanders.
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SPEAKER_00: And a lot of people don't understand where these guys are coming from, right?
15:09
SPEAKER_00: And this is a unique kind of phenomenon that we're going to have to deal with, right?
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SPEAKER_00: And so without...
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SPEAKER_00: This is like a little bit of shop talk.
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SPEAKER_00: It's probably not interesting to people that are not orthodox or converts or anything.
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SPEAKER_00: Actually,
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SPEAKER_00: it might be interesting to whatever denominations,
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SPEAKER_00: even to atheists, because you kind of understand the dynamics of it.
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SPEAKER_00: Because the same dynamics that are at play here are at play in any institution with people.
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SPEAKER_00: And it really...
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SPEAKER_00: The Orthodox Church in America,
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SPEAKER_00: like the OCA and stuff,
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SPEAKER_00: is speedrunning the Anglican and the Roman Catholic Church problems,
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SPEAKER_00: unfortunately, right?
15:50
SPEAKER_00: We're just speedrunning it because we're the new guys in town, right?
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SPEAKER_00: And we're actually in a very, very dangerous spot.
15:57
SPEAKER_00: I have a feeling,
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SPEAKER_00: and sadly I have a feeling,
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SPEAKER_00: that they're just going to fumble this one real bad, right?
16:04
SPEAKER_00: But for you guys from the outside, since COVID...
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SPEAKER_00: There's been a massive, you know, uptake in Orthodox converts.
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SPEAKER_00: Our friend Fisto is one of them.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, hello.
16:18
SPEAKER_00: We've had,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: most of the churches and parishes have like, you know, added 25% to 50% new people.
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SPEAKER_00: They've added,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: a significant amount of growth in the conversions, you know, and new catechumens.
16:34
SPEAKER_00: I feel like in my church, we get new people all the time.
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SPEAKER_00: You know,
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SPEAKER_00: I feel like we're,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: Like this year has been kind of a little bit slower than last year,
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SPEAKER_00: but it's still a significant, like there's always new people.
16:43
SPEAKER_00: I'm always like, who are these people, man?
16:45
SPEAKER_00: You know, like I see all kinds of new people, right?
16:47
SPEAKER_00: Now, a lot of the people that have converted or become, right,
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SPEAKER_00: are Ex-Protestant,
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SPEAKER_00: some sort of like Baptist type Protestant,
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SPEAKER_00: and they tend to be younger than your usual previous converts in the past.
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SPEAKER_00: So a lot of them are specifically young males or like young families,
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SPEAKER_00: like a husband, wife, or maybe one or two kids.
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SPEAKER_00: So that seems to be like the kind of deal.
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SPEAKER_00: Of course,
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SPEAKER_00: a lot of this has to do with the explosion of online apologetics
17:24
SPEAKER_00: with certain YouTubers,
17:26
SPEAKER_00: people like Jay Dyer,
17:28
SPEAKER_00: guys like John Piaggio,
17:32
SPEAKER_00: Dr. Zachary Porcu, for example, and his Substack and that kind of stuff.
17:36
SPEAKER_00: These guys have had a tremendous influence on bringing people,
17:40
SPEAKER_00: especially during COVID era, into the Orthodox Church.
17:46
SPEAKER_00: And like any institution,
17:48
SPEAKER_00: and this is really,
17:49
SPEAKER_00: really critical to understand,
17:51
SPEAKER_00: the Orthodox Church,
17:52
SPEAKER_00: while it is Christ's church and is a divine institution,
17:57
SPEAKER_00: it is ultimately filled with regular people, stupid ass, retarded humans.
18:03
SPEAKER_00: And a lot of the people that are,
18:06
SPEAKER_00: first of all,
18:08
SPEAKER_00: a lot of the people that are coming in are often bringing in baggage
18:12
SPEAKER_00: from their previous church.
18:14
SPEAKER_00: You know, denominations or atheisms.
18:16
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I've met guys that converted to orthodoxy and they were like Satanists,
18:21
SPEAKER_00: like, you know, Norse pagan types or, you know, crystal girls and stuff.
18:28
SPEAKER_00: And they're bringing a lot of baggage from that.
18:30
SPEAKER_00: But also the people that were previously here have a lot of freaking baggage also.
18:35
SPEAKER_00: And, you know, people are stupid and retarded by default for the most part.
18:41
SPEAKER_00: And stupid retarded stuff happens.
18:44
SPEAKER_00: One of the main concerns of these older converts,
18:49
SPEAKER_00: I'm talking about older converts,
18:51
SPEAKER_00: is that these new converts are right-wing fascists and evil misogynists and stuff.
18:57
SPEAKER_00: So every two months, we have a new essay on Substack, and it's like, oh...
19:05
SPEAKER_00: Young Orthodox men are just a bunch of misogynist pigs, you know, blah, blah, blah.
19:11
SPEAKER_00: And of course, those young misogynist pigs, you know, or whatever, right?
19:16
SPEAKER_00: Or, you know, are all of a sudden like, hey, what the fuck, right?
19:21
SPEAKER_00: You know,
19:21
SPEAKER_00: stop being a dumb hoe or whatever,
19:23
SPEAKER_00: you know,
19:23
SPEAKER_00: or, you know, stop being a fat pig with freaking, you know, tortoiseshell glasses.
19:27
SPEAKER_00: But And then they go, see, how dare you guys are so disrespectful.
19:32
SPEAKER_00: It's not like I just completely slandered an entire half of my parish or whatever, right?
19:40
SPEAKER_00: And it's always by these pseudo-academic, I've been an Orthodox for 15 years.
19:46
SPEAKER_00: These kind of fucking people, right?
19:48
SPEAKER_00: And you get that,
19:49
SPEAKER_00: and then it goes off,
19:50
SPEAKER_00: and then all these old head orthodox people that converted back in the 80s and 90s,
19:57
SPEAKER_00: like what's her name,
19:57
SPEAKER_00: Frederica Matthews Green,
19:59
SPEAKER_00: are like,
20:00
SPEAKER_00: yeah, we really should fix the way things are, and we really should shut up.
20:05
SPEAKER_00: And the young guys are left out in the cold because they're like,
20:09
SPEAKER_00: oh, cool, I guess we're not welcome here.
20:10
SPEAKER_00: I guess we don't have a problem.
20:13
SPEAKER_00: We're really fumbling the ball with this man.
20:15
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
20:15
SPEAKER_00: And it really, it really frustrates me because I don't like this.
20:18
SPEAKER_00: And from an outsider,
20:20
SPEAKER_00: somebody like,
20:20
SPEAKER_00: for example,
20:21
SPEAKER_00: a fan of the show,
20:22
SPEAKER_00: Carlton Scott, who is a Protestant, he might not understand these dynamics.
20:28
SPEAKER_00: But when you think about it,
20:28
SPEAKER_00: they're probably very similar to his own church or some of your own Protestant
20:32
SPEAKER_00: or Roman Catholic churches.
20:34
SPEAKER_00: So for you guys,
20:37
SPEAKER_00: What you have to understand is that the Orthodox Church in America has been
20:41
SPEAKER_00: an immigrant church, at least for the first few hundred years.
20:45
SPEAKER_00: And it came through different immigrant groups,
20:47
SPEAKER_00: whether it came through the Russians or through the Greeks or through the Romanians,
20:50
SPEAKER_00: on the East Coast, West Coast, through Alaska with the Russians and all this stuff.
20:55
SPEAKER_00: But for the majority of its existence in the United States,
21:00
SPEAKER_00: it was a very, very, very small minority immigrant community.
21:05
SPEAKER_00: Of individual immigrant communities.
21:07
SPEAKER_00: And it didn't really have any type of foothold really until the 60s
21:10
SPEAKER_00: when you started having like some early converts,
21:13
SPEAKER_00: American Protestant type converts to this.
21:16
SPEAKER_00: And later on, there was a Eastern Orthodox with like Eastern Catholic conversion in mass.
21:25
SPEAKER_00: But the majority of the American converts to Orthodoxy came through marriage,
21:30
SPEAKER_00: like by getting married through marriage.
21:33
SPEAKER_00: You know, through like, you know, I married a Greek girl or like blah, blah, blah.
21:37
SPEAKER_00: You know, like you can imagine that, right?
21:39
SPEAKER_00: And right now what we're dealing with, right,
21:44
SPEAKER_00: specifically in the OCA and really a lot of these churches is most of
21:52
SPEAKER_00: the ethnic churches are really like second,
21:55
SPEAKER_00: third generation majority of like immigrant children, right?
21:59
SPEAKER_00: And then the non-ethnic minority churches are really...
22:03
SPEAKER_00: They're really convert churches where even the priests themselves are converts.
22:08
SPEAKER_00: And what you're dealing with and what you have to understand
22:11
SPEAKER_00: about this new orthobros are too fascist.
22:16
SPEAKER_00: And then the orthobros are like, these people are too liberal cucks, right?
22:19
SPEAKER_00: This kind of fight is because we're dealing with two very distinct types of converts, right?
22:28
SPEAKER_00: And I think that you could probably...
22:31
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to explain this,
22:32
SPEAKER_00: and I want you to tell me if you feel like this makes sense from what you see
22:38
SPEAKER_00: at your church, for example.
22:40
SPEAKER_00: I have a feeling some of the other guys that are listening or are going to listen in
22:44
SPEAKER_00: the future can also go into comments and see if I'm correct about this.
22:50
SPEAKER_00: My source is me.
22:52
SPEAKER_00: This is my source.
22:52
SPEAKER_00: I'm making that an observation.
22:55
SPEAKER_00: Got it.
22:58
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I'm going to give you the simplified view, right?
23:04
SPEAKER_00: The 90s and early 2000s converts to Orthodoxy were mostly ex-Protestants that felt
23:15
SPEAKER_00: that the Protestant church was too conservative, right?
23:23
SPEAKER_00: The current wave of converts...
23:29
SPEAKER_00: Our ex-Protestants that feel that the Protestant churches are too liberal.
23:37
SPEAKER_00: Does that make sense?
23:39
SPEAKER_01: It does.
23:40
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
23:40
SPEAKER_01: It does make sense.
23:41
SPEAKER_00: All right.
23:42
SPEAKER_00: So that is why they're clashing.
23:45
SPEAKER_00: Like if you listen to,
23:48
SPEAKER_00: if you look at all these like essays that are poo-pooing the ortho bros,
23:51
SPEAKER_00: like the one we dealt with today,
23:54
SPEAKER_00: they'll always start off with, well, I converted to orthodoxy about 12 years ago.
23:57
SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
23:58
SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
24:01
SPEAKER_00: So basically,
24:03
SPEAKER_00: a lot of the early converts,
24:06
SPEAKER_00: I would say probably from the 80s on to the 2000s,
24:10
SPEAKER_00: were people that wanted religion or wanted a Christian religion,
24:16
SPEAKER_00: but they did not want the baggage that came with the Bush era Christianity.
24:26
SPEAKER_00: You've heard that saying about libertarians.
24:28
SPEAKER_00: A libertarian is a conservative that wants to get invited to liberal parties.
24:33
SPEAKER_00: The more vulgar thing is a libertarian is a Republican that wants to bang Democrat girls.
24:40
SPEAKER_00: That's basically what we had here.
24:44
SPEAKER_00: If you look at the people that came into the American orthodoxy,
24:52
SPEAKER_00: Like for example, Father, you know, the Saint Seraphim Rose, right?
24:59
SPEAKER_00: There, there was, these guys came out of like the California hippie movement, right?
25:05
SPEAKER_00: And there was a, like,
25:07
SPEAKER_00: you know,
25:07
SPEAKER_00: a lot of the hippies went into like,
25:10
SPEAKER_00: you know,
25:10
SPEAKER_00: Buddhist Hindu mysticism,
25:12
SPEAKER_00: you know, some,
25:13
SPEAKER_00: some of them,
25:14
SPEAKER_00: you know,
25:15
SPEAKER_00: like rolled into Christian mysticism,
25:19
SPEAKER_00: which tends to feel much more at home in orthodoxy, right?
25:24
SPEAKER_00: So let's think of like the 90s, 2000 convert kind of like idea.
25:29
SPEAKER_00: Like I said, I'm making generalizations, right?
25:33
SPEAKER_00: They tend to be in a very different comparison to today's more like
25:43
SPEAKER_00: They tend to be people from middle to upper class, right?
25:47
SPEAKER_00: And why do I say that?
25:49
SPEAKER_00: Because you have to be middle to upper class to be exposed to orthodoxy
25:55
SPEAKER_00: in America back in the day,
25:57
SPEAKER_00: because the only places where they have orthodox churches are big cities, right?
26:03
SPEAKER_00: So a lot of the early converts were brought in by like dating women that were part
26:09
SPEAKER_00: of Orthodox Church or vice versa or through families and cousins and being
26:14
SPEAKER_00: in contact.
26:15
SPEAKER_00: The guy from like Biloxi, Mississippi or whatever, right?
26:20
SPEAKER_00: Has probably never even heard of Orthodoxy, right?
26:23
SPEAKER_00: And half these people probably have never heard of Orthodoxy in like
26:26
SPEAKER_00: the small places in the Midwest and that kind of stuff until much more recently.
26:31
SPEAKER_00: The only people that got to were the people that were cosmopolitan,
26:34
SPEAKER_00: were exposed to big cities, and were exposed to different religions.
26:37
SPEAKER_00: Or they traveled to Eastern Europe,
26:38
SPEAKER_00: they traveled to Greece, they traveled these places, and were exposed to that.
26:43
SPEAKER_00: So you see a lot of these guys that are against the orthobros tend
26:47
SPEAKER_00: to be academic types, or they have the pretensions of academics.
26:51
SPEAKER_00: They tend to have been converted as coming from...
26:56
SPEAKER_00: Finding like mainstream American Christianity too conservative.
27:00
SPEAKER_00: They're like,
27:00
SPEAKER_00: so they find a religion so they can still go to parties
27:04
SPEAKER_00: with all their liberal atheist types and go, yeah,
27:08
SPEAKER_00: you know,
27:08
SPEAKER_00: I'm a Christian,
27:09
SPEAKER_00: but like,
27:09
SPEAKER_00: I'm like that kind of Christian,
27:11
SPEAKER_00: you know,
27:12
SPEAKER_00: I'm like this cool,
27:13
SPEAKER_00: special kind of Christian that we like burn incense and candles
27:16
SPEAKER_00: and we don't really have any like dogmas on like abortion or anything like that.
27:20
SPEAKER_00: And, you know, You know, like, it's truly about prayer and going to monasteries and stuff.
27:27
SPEAKER_00: Do you understand what I'm saying, Fisto?
27:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think so.
27:30
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it kind of sounds like,
27:33
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it just sounds like, it just sounds like boomer, boomer religion.
27:37
SPEAKER_01: Like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm Buddhist.
27:39
SPEAKER_01: I've got this yogi and I do Buddhist stuff.
27:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm Orthodox.
27:43
SPEAKER_01: I've got this,
27:45
SPEAKER_01: you know,
27:45
SPEAKER_01: it sounds like the kind of person that if they asked if you were Orthodox Jew,
27:48
SPEAKER_01: they probably wouldn't correct them.
27:51
SPEAKER_00: Right.
27:52
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
27:53
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
27:54
SPEAKER_00: And if you spend any time reading a lot
27:57
SPEAKER_00: of message boards around ancient faith radio, a lot of those guys are like that.
28:02
SPEAKER_00: Very much so, right?
28:03
SPEAKER_00: Let me ask some of them in my own church that are indistinguishable from boomer liberals.
28:09
SPEAKER_00: And I think that with these guys, there's a very big tendency to...
28:16
SPEAKER_00: They're like the drama dorks in high school
28:20
SPEAKER_00: that had their own cool little special table at lunch.
28:25
SPEAKER_00: And all of a sudden, now new people want to come and sit at their table.
28:30
SPEAKER_00: And it's like it was their special thing.
28:33
SPEAKER_00: And they feel threatened.
28:34
SPEAKER_00: You know, they feel threatened.
28:35
SPEAKER_00: I mean, look,
28:36
SPEAKER_00: you have like the official like Orthodox,
28:39
SPEAKER_00: like OCA type stuff, like Ancient Faith Radio.
28:42
SPEAKER_00: And these guys,
28:42
SPEAKER_00: you know,
28:43
SPEAKER_00: some of these guys have wanted to be like intellectuals and putting out this like,
28:47
SPEAKER_00: you know, a They don't do any apologetics whatsoever.
28:53
SPEAKER_00: They want to put out all this stuff and convert people by bringing them in.
28:57
SPEAKER_00: And then Jay Dyer comes along and he's dropping apologetics left and right.
29:00
SPEAKER_00: And they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, who's this guy?
29:03
SPEAKER_00: Why is he important all of a sudden?
29:06
SPEAKER_00: So of course they're jealous.
29:08
SPEAKER_00: It's basically like They've had basically the Losers Club,
29:13
SPEAKER_00: and all of a sudden,
29:14
SPEAKER_00: the cool guy comes in,
29:15
SPEAKER_00: and now all of a sudden,
29:16
SPEAKER_00: all the attention is on this new guy, and they feel slighted.
29:20
SPEAKER_00: They feel like, oh, things are changing.
29:22
SPEAKER_00: It's not our own special club anymore, right?
29:25
SPEAKER_00: But the thing is, churches are not special clubs.
29:27
SPEAKER_00: Churches are for everybody.
29:28
SPEAKER_00: They're for the liberal person.
29:29
SPEAKER_00: They're for the conservative person.
29:30
SPEAKER_00: They're for the crazy fascist.
29:32
SPEAKER_00: Just for everybody.
29:33
SPEAKER_00: Church is for everybody, right?
29:36
SPEAKER_00: And you cannot turn a church into your own private little fiefdom of your own little moods.
29:44
SPEAKER_00: And here's where it upsets me.
29:49
SPEAKER_00: And here's where I get upset.
29:51
SPEAKER_00: First of all, I don't even want to debate the whole...
29:56
SPEAKER_00: Ortho bro thing or whatever or like, you know, brash young man.
29:58
SPEAKER_00: Guess what?
29:59
SPEAKER_00: Like all the guys Jesus called to him were brash young men, okay?
30:03
SPEAKER_00: There are guys that were violent and they were working class men and they were,
30:08
SPEAKER_00: you know, they truly believed, you know, hardcore in that stuff, right?
30:12
SPEAKER_00: So they weren't,
30:13
SPEAKER_00: you know,
30:13
SPEAKER_00: they weren't calling,
30:14
SPEAKER_00: like they weren't sitting around,
30:15
SPEAKER_00: you know,
30:16
SPEAKER_00: in Jerusalem over there,
30:17
SPEAKER_00: like, you know, debating stuff in like a room over tea, all right?
30:21
SPEAKER_00: They were out there doing the thing and then all of them, you know, were martyred.
30:25
SPEAKER_00: All right.
30:25
SPEAKER_00: So they weren't,
30:26
SPEAKER_00: they weren't guys that like,
30:27
SPEAKER_00: you know, shirked from like the job because I was, bro, don't be so rude guys.
30:31
SPEAKER_00: You know,
30:31
SPEAKER_00: these are guys that got crucified and,
30:33
SPEAKER_00: you know, upside down and beheaded and all and tortured to death.
30:36
SPEAKER_00: Right.
30:36
SPEAKER_00: So the orthobos are much more like the early Christians and these,
30:42
SPEAKER_00: these, you know, freaking tortoiseshell glasses wearing dweebs.
30:45
SPEAKER_00: Right.
30:47
SPEAKER_00: But what's really interesting.
30:50
SPEAKER_00: Bothersome is that there's this like tendency to go like to dismiss the needs
30:56
SPEAKER_00: of these young men,
30:57
SPEAKER_00: these supposed young men,
30:58
SPEAKER_00: which once again, I think that the whole Orthobro thing is overblown.
31:01
SPEAKER_00: But this idea of like, well,
31:04
SPEAKER_00: if a young man has all these,
31:06
SPEAKER_00: like hypothetically speaking,
31:07
SPEAKER_00: has all these like,
31:08
SPEAKER_00: you know,
31:09
SPEAKER_00: evil fascist beliefs or whatever,
31:10
SPEAKER_00: you know, whatever, whatever, and comes into the church yearning for truth.
31:16
SPEAKER_00: That's where he should be, right?
31:18
SPEAKER_00: That's where he should be.
31:19
SPEAKER_00: That's where he needs to be, right?
31:22
SPEAKER_00: What he doesn't need is tortoiseshell cucks sitting here freaking poo-pooing him.
31:27
SPEAKER_00: I found it funny during that other incident when Rod Dreher said,
31:31
SPEAKER_00: oh yeah,
31:32
SPEAKER_00: if those guys talked to the girl the way they did in the post,
31:37
SPEAKER_00: I would definitely deck them in the face.
31:39
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, shut up, Rod.
31:40
SPEAKER_00: Bro, come to my church.
31:42
SPEAKER_00: I'll beat the crap out of you, dude.
31:43
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
31:45
SPEAKER_00: Who is this 60-year-old dork?
31:48
SPEAKER_00: He's going to beat them up, bro.
31:50
SPEAKER_00: You're talking about... And that's kind of the funny thing.
31:53
SPEAKER_00: If anybody at my church put out an essay aimed at me for being a whatever,
31:59
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to throw hands.
32:01
SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
32:02
SPEAKER_00: Fisto, I'm going to throw hands.
32:05
SPEAKER_00: We'll be throwing hands after coffee hour if you come at me with some crazy shit like that.
32:10
SPEAKER_00: If you think those ortho bros are dire or bad, you want to see me.
32:14
SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to take slander from some fucking 50-year-old.
32:20
SPEAKER_00: The thing that bothers me the most is that these young guys need guidance.
32:28
SPEAKER_00: They need help.
32:29
SPEAKER_00: We can't just be like, well, we're just going to go over here and light candles instead.
32:34
SPEAKER_00: That's not helpful.
32:37
SPEAKER_00: Fisto, you know that the young generation is suffering.
32:39
SPEAKER_00: They're having a difficult time finding jobs,
32:42
SPEAKER_00: difficult time starting families, difficult time doing all this stuff.
32:45
SPEAKER_00: The last thing they need is their own church that they're looking into,
32:49
SPEAKER_00: that they're yearning to join.
32:51
SPEAKER_00: Write essays about them being improper or having the wrong thoughts.
32:56
SPEAKER_00: When every single door to these guys has been closed, colleges are no longer accepting them.
33:01
SPEAKER_00: There's no jobs.
33:03
SPEAKER_00: There's nothing.
33:03
SPEAKER_00: There's no hope.
33:04
SPEAKER_00: And the one place where they need to be at the most,
33:08
SPEAKER_00: you have these disgusting 50,
33:11
SPEAKER_00: 60-year-old bags of ass closing the doors to the hospital.
33:18
SPEAKER_00: Unacceptable, you know, unacceptable to me.
33:20
SPEAKER_00: All right.
33:20
SPEAKER_00: And that's what makes me so mad about this stuff.
33:23
SPEAKER_00: And if somebody goes, oh, Alex, you're being an extremist about it.
33:25
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm not being an extremist.
33:27
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
33:28
SPEAKER_00: The last thing we need.
33:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
33:30
SPEAKER_00: The last thing we need is these fucking geezers who,
33:35
SPEAKER_00: you know,
33:35
SPEAKER_00: want to squat inside these churches,
33:37
SPEAKER_00: light their candles and treat it like,
33:40
SPEAKER_00: you know,
33:41
SPEAKER_00: European Buddhism,
33:43
SPEAKER_00: because it has cool art and incense and stuff,
33:46
SPEAKER_00: and pretend, and say, oh, we're not of this world, man.
33:50
SPEAKER_00: We're just going to light candles and pray to the saints over here.
33:53
SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry, but we need to actually talk about these things.
33:57
SPEAKER_00: The church has to be a hospital, right?
33:59
SPEAKER_00: If you went to the hospital and they just ignored your concern, you'd be pissed off, right?
34:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:07
SPEAKER_00: Young men have problems, right?
34:09
SPEAKER_00: And they're looking for answers, okay?
34:11
SPEAKER_00: And if the church doesn't want to,
34:13
SPEAKER_00: if the church will not step up, if the priest won't step up, right?
34:17
SPEAKER_00: You know who's going to step up?
34:20
SPEAKER_00: Extremists, crazy people, lunatics.
34:22
SPEAKER_00: And you get mass graves, all right?
34:24
SPEAKER_00: You get mass graves, all right?
34:26
SPEAKER_00: You get atheism, right?
34:28
SPEAKER_00: Like, you know what?
34:29
SPEAKER_00: If the church doesn't step up and take charge of young men,
34:33
SPEAKER_00: because the Protestants, they've turned their back on them completely, right?
34:36
SPEAKER_00: Anglicans and They're all just LGBT gay pride.
34:39
SPEAKER_00: They're all just lame.
34:41
SPEAKER_00: I know there's a Protestant church down the street from our church,
34:46
SPEAKER_00: and I saw a picture of the inside of the thing,
34:48
SPEAKER_00: and they have a giant Israeli flag, and they're donating money to Israel.
34:52
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
34:53
SPEAKER_00: It's like a Baptist.
34:54
SPEAKER_00: Right?
34:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:56
SPEAKER_00: Listen.
34:58
SPEAKER_00: The men come out of that and they go, okay, I'm not welcome here.
35:01
SPEAKER_00: The Roman Catholic Church is out there having gay pride parades or whatever.
35:05
SPEAKER_00: The Anglicans are just gay completely.
35:07
SPEAKER_00: What's left?
35:09
SPEAKER_00: If the Orthodox Church turns them away, it doesn't address their issues.
35:14
SPEAKER_00: You know where they're going to next?
35:15
SPEAKER_00: They're going to Islam, guys.
35:17
SPEAKER_00: They're going to go to Islam because Islam is going to give them answers.
35:21
SPEAKER_00: And that's not good for anybody.
35:24
SPEAKER_01: It's going to give them a bit more than answers.
35:28
SPEAKER_01: It's going to give them a permission structure to murder all the people that did not.
35:32
SPEAKER_00: Right.
35:32
SPEAKER_00: Who turned their doors away, you know?
35:35
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
35:35
SPEAKER_01: Right.
35:36
SPEAKER_00: And most of
35:37
SPEAKER_01: all, I just, I have to get this in.
35:41
SPEAKER_01: What I keep thinking of is like when you were describing them as immigrant churches,
35:47
SPEAKER_01: you know, those churches, like if I showed up, they'd be like, Are you lost?
35:53
SPEAKER_01: Because it's a Greek church.
35:54
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
35:55
SPEAKER_01: Or it's a Russian church.
35:57
SPEAKER_01: And that's fine.
35:59
SPEAKER_01: I kind of get that.
36:00
SPEAKER_01: Okay, sure, fine.
36:01
SPEAKER_01: It's whatever.
36:03
SPEAKER_01: This situation is almost like, well, this is what modern American culture is.
36:12
SPEAKER_01: Are you lost?
36:13
SPEAKER_01: You're not vaguely homosexual and you're a little too uncouth for my dinner parties.
36:19
SPEAKER_01: So...
36:20
SPEAKER_01: So I don't know if I want to.
36:22
SPEAKER_01: Are you lost, buddy?
36:24
SPEAKER_01: And what is more boomer than getting into something and then pulling the ladder up
36:30
SPEAKER_01: behind you once the young try to come in and actually participate as well?
36:35
SPEAKER_01: I mean, there's nothing more booming than that, right?
36:36
SPEAKER_01: Just pull the ladder up.
36:39
SPEAKER_01: This is mine.
36:39
SPEAKER_01: You can't have it.
36:40
SPEAKER_01: I'm going to hold on to it until I'm dead.
36:43
SPEAKER_00: All right.
36:44
SPEAKER_00: But the truth is, though,
36:47
SPEAKER_00: I think it's critical for our priests and deacons and like,
36:51
SPEAKER_00: you know,
36:51
SPEAKER_00: older people in our church, they need to really start addressing these issues.
36:55
SPEAKER_00: Right.
36:57
SPEAKER_00: And what I mean is that like we,
37:01
SPEAKER_00: you know,
37:02
SPEAKER_00: the converts in the 80s and 90s,
37:04
SPEAKER_00: you know, they had their issues, but that was during a prosperous time.
37:08
SPEAKER_00: All right.
37:10
SPEAKER_00: A lot of people went into the church because it was a very personal kind of spiritual journey.
37:15
SPEAKER_00: For a lot of these younger guys, it's more of a societal spiritual journey, right?
37:19
SPEAKER_00: The actual society outside of them is falling apart, you know?
37:24
SPEAKER_00: And they're being told that, like,
37:26
SPEAKER_00: I think young people,
37:28
SPEAKER_00: and fucking,
37:29
SPEAKER_00: I am putting myself in this category,
37:32
SPEAKER_00: I'm sick of being told everything's fucking okay, all right?
37:36
SPEAKER_00: It's not fucking okay.
37:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's clearly not.
37:39
SPEAKER_00: Okay, like it's not okay.
37:40
SPEAKER_00: It's not okay that after fucking 20 years of like war in the Middle East,
37:45
SPEAKER_00: we're doing more fucking war in the Middle East.
37:47
SPEAKER_00: It's not okay that gas is fucking $5 and fucking,
37:51
SPEAKER_00: you know, wherever,
37:53
SPEAKER_00: you know,
37:53
SPEAKER_00: it's not okay that I can barely afford groceries and I'm strictly middle class.
37:58
SPEAKER_00: I'm goddamn,
37:58
SPEAKER_00: like I looked at the medium income for the country and I fit clearly in
38:03
SPEAKER_00: a middle income, right?
38:05
SPEAKER_00: And we're struggling trying to have using,
38:07
SPEAKER_00: like, you know, trying to figure And I'm not a bad spender.
38:11
SPEAKER_00: So no, it's not okay.
38:13
SPEAKER_00: It's not okay that your average 20 year old cannot afford a car like you and I could
38:18
SPEAKER_00: when we were like 16 and 17.
38:20
SPEAKER_00: It's not okay that there's no jobs for anybody.
38:22
SPEAKER_00: It's not okay that guys with college degrees cannot freaking Get jobs
38:27
SPEAKER_00: after getting college degrees that they were told,
38:30
SPEAKER_00: and now they're $50,000, $60,000, $80,000 in debt.
38:33
SPEAKER_00: So no, it's not okay.
38:35
SPEAKER_00: So you can't just go to church and have fucking coffee hour and then be like,
38:40
SPEAKER_00: well, were you upset?
38:41
SPEAKER_00: You just light a candle.
38:43
SPEAKER_00: No, it doesn't work like that, guys.
38:45
SPEAKER_00: Yes, there's a spiritual aspect to it, but the church is also part of being a community.
38:50
SPEAKER_00: And you can't just cater to the 50, 60-year-olds already got theirs.
38:54
SPEAKER_00: Okay?
38:55
SPEAKER_00: And if you do that, you're going to have a dead church.
38:57
SPEAKER_00: And if you ignore the issues of young men and women coming into the church,
39:04
SPEAKER_00: this whole recent surge in orthodoxy is dead on arrival.
39:08
SPEAKER_00: It's straight up a fumble, right?
39:09
SPEAKER_00: Because right now they caught a huge yard pass,
39:12
SPEAKER_00: but they're just bouncing this through their fat fingers,
39:15
SPEAKER_00: you know,
39:15
SPEAKER_00: because, you know, there's absurdities in the way things are set up in the US.
39:19
SPEAKER_00: Like, for example, the fact that we only have like two seminaries to make priests, right?
39:25
SPEAKER_00: And they're both in fucking New York.
39:27
SPEAKER_00: Or no one's in Pennsylvania.
39:28
SPEAKER_00: They're both in the Northeast, right?
39:30
SPEAKER_00: And you have to have a degree to go there.
39:33
SPEAKER_00: So we as Christians,
39:34
SPEAKER_00: for the most part,
39:35
SPEAKER_00: I would say eight out of 10 of us probably believe that
39:39
SPEAKER_00: the United States college environment is a evil and corrupt environment, right?
39:45
SPEAKER_00: Would you say that?
39:49
SPEAKER_00: We know that every conservative,
39:51
SPEAKER_00: whether you're kind of a liberal conservative all the way to the right wing,
39:55
SPEAKER_00: right wing guys,
39:57
SPEAKER_00: takes as a fact that most colleges,
39:59
SPEAKER_00: you'll take your nice kids,
40:00
SPEAKER_00: send them to college and they'll come back a blue haired liberal or whatever.
40:04
SPEAKER_00: So in order for our priests to go to seminary,
40:06
SPEAKER_00: they have to go to the same fucking college that
40:08
SPEAKER_00: the fucking blue hairs are teaching.
40:11
SPEAKER_00: How is that not the most absurd thing?
40:15
SPEAKER_00: How is that not the most absurd thing?
40:17
SPEAKER_00: So young men have to go sit through four or five years of undergrad at
40:23
SPEAKER_00: the most degenerate institutions in this country.
40:28
SPEAKER_00: And we're shocked why nobody wants to do it.
40:30
SPEAKER_00: How insane is that?
40:33
SPEAKER_00: So what's the incoherence here?
40:36
SPEAKER_00: And then they're surprised that our intellectual element
40:39
SPEAKER_00: of our church really just wants to please liberals.
40:42
SPEAKER_00: Well, because they're accredited by liberals.
40:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
40:46
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
40:48
SPEAKER_01: Right?
40:49
SPEAKER_00: And the answer is, well, the answer is, oh, well,
40:53
SPEAKER_00: why do you,
40:55
SPEAKER_00: why do you, why do priests going to seminary need to have a bachelor's degree?
41:02
SPEAKER_00: And the answer is, well, they do because otherwise the seminaries won't have accreditation.
41:07
SPEAKER_00: Who gives a shit about accreditation?
41:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
41:12
SPEAKER_00: So you're saying that your teaching of Christ,
41:14
SPEAKER_00: your teaching of the religion is bent on accreditation by
41:18
SPEAKER_00: the United States educational system?
41:23
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
41:25
SPEAKER_00: How absurd is that?
41:27
SPEAKER_00: How absurd is that?
41:29
SPEAKER_00: And I asked my priest that,
41:30
SPEAKER_00: and he gave me a lame answer,
41:33
SPEAKER_00: an absurd answer, even though he's technically against that.
41:35
SPEAKER_00: But how absurd is that?
41:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
41:38
SPEAKER_00: They sit there and they preach that we live in or we're not in this world.
41:42
SPEAKER_00: Why does a priest need an accreditation?
41:44
SPEAKER_00: Who gives a shit?
41:47
SPEAKER_00: Oh, sorry.
41:47
SPEAKER_00: Your priestlyness is not accredited by United States Education Department run by
41:51
SPEAKER_00: a bunch of blue-haired lesbians.
41:52
SPEAKER_00: Oh, my bad.
41:54
SPEAKER_00: You're not a real priest.
41:55
SPEAKER_00: Sorry about your accreditation.
41:57
SPEAKER_00: What a joke.
41:59
SPEAKER_00: What a freaking joke.
42:02
SPEAKER_00: Right?
42:03
SPEAKER_00: So you're telling me the saints had accredited educations?
42:09
SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying, right?
42:12
SPEAKER_00: So the evil empire that is the secular liberal state needs to approve
42:19
SPEAKER_00: the education being taught at the seminary to make holy priests.
42:24
SPEAKER_00: Can somebody explain that to me?
42:26
SPEAKER_00: Maybe I'm a retard, okay?
42:28
SPEAKER_00: Maybe I'm dumb.
42:30
SPEAKER_00: Can somebody explain that to me?
42:32
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
42:36
SPEAKER_00: That's just me, though.
42:37
SPEAKER_00: That's just me.
42:38
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
42:39
SPEAKER_00: Like if anybody in the chat can kind of like explain why, why, why that's a big deal.
42:44
SPEAKER_00: No, they should be, they should, no, no, it shouldn't be like that.
42:48
SPEAKER_00: But anyways, that's all I have to say about that topic.
42:51
SPEAKER_00: Anything, anything to add, Fisto?
42:58
SPEAKER_01: As far as my own personal experience,
43:01
SPEAKER_01: it was interesting that I found my way to an Orthodox church,
43:04
SPEAKER_01: mostly because I'd already kind of been thinking about it.
43:07
SPEAKER_01: And then you gave me the push that I needed to go check it out.
43:11
SPEAKER_01: I wasn't watching YouTube.
43:14
SPEAKER_01: I wasn't on X. I Googled churches in my area and found an Orthodox one.
43:21
SPEAKER_01: And because of my own knowledge of history, went, ooh, I should check that out.
43:26
SPEAKER_01: And, you know, that's it.
43:28
SPEAKER_01: The second thing, this was really interesting.
43:32
SPEAKER_01: So during communion, a bit made it onto the floor, a bit made it onto the carpet.
43:39
SPEAKER_01: And as soon as communion was done,
43:42
SPEAKER_01: one of the one of the one of the church elders was Johnny on the spot with
43:47
SPEAKER_01: a knife cutting that bit of carpet out of the floor and had it out and done by
43:54
SPEAKER_01: the time the service was over.
43:57
SPEAKER_01: I feel like that was a really good sign.
44:00
SPEAKER_00: Right.
44:01
SPEAKER_00: That is great.
44:01
SPEAKER_00: That's what you got to do.
44:02
SPEAKER_01: That's what you got to do.
44:05
SPEAKER_01: As far as the health of our church,
44:07
SPEAKER_01: the priest had made a little mark on the ground where it happened.
44:11
SPEAKER_01: And someone not realizing tried to move the mark.
44:15
SPEAKER_01: And he literally stopped the service and hollered at her to leave it alone
44:19
SPEAKER_01: because she didn't realize what was going on.
44:22
SPEAKER_01: I thought that was very funny.
44:24
SPEAKER_01: But it was also like, oh, they really take that seriously.
44:26
SPEAKER_01: That's a good sign.
44:27
SPEAKER_01: Now, he's an older Polish guy, or older of Polish descent.
44:32
SPEAKER_01: He just doesn't give a fuck.
44:34
SPEAKER_01: He's like, this is how it works to deal with it.
44:36
SPEAKER_00: I think that's exactly how they're supposed to be doing it.
44:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but having that guy Johnny on the spot with a knife,
44:42
SPEAKER_01: cutting it out as the service continues, it was like, okay, nice.
44:47
SPEAKER_01: Because I think in that moment,
44:51
SPEAKER_01: it's almost like the opposite of what you were just describing,
44:53
SPEAKER_01: where They're taking that deeply seriously because there is a spiritual reality
44:58
SPEAKER_01: and this is how it needs to be done.
45:01
SPEAKER_01: As far as I can tell,
45:02
SPEAKER_01: there's going to be just a hole in the carpet forever now, which I think is awesome.
45:05
SPEAKER_01: That's great.
45:08
SPEAKER_01: That's where our church
45:09
SPEAKER_00: is great.
45:09
SPEAKER_00: I'm being negative today, but no, I still...
45:18
SPEAKER_00: My criticism is because I love it.
45:20
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
45:20
SPEAKER_00: My criticism
45:22
SPEAKER_01: is because I
45:22
SPEAKER_00: love it.
45:23
SPEAKER_00: And I don't want people to be locked out.
45:25
SPEAKER_00: I don't want people to feel like they can't come.
45:27
SPEAKER_00: And I don't want people to like,
45:27
SPEAKER_00: you know, they don't, I am not, listen, I am not going to sit by.
45:32
SPEAKER_00: We've all witnessed,
45:34
SPEAKER_00: we've all witnessed the, the,
45:38
SPEAKER_00: just the complete degeneration of like Protestant churches,
45:42
SPEAKER_00: you know,
45:42
SPEAKER_00: and the complete and total,
45:44
SPEAKER_00: you know,
45:45
SPEAKER_00: just Failure of the Roman Catholic Church,
45:49
SPEAKER_00: you know,
45:50
SPEAKER_00: and how,
45:51
SPEAKER_00: you know,
45:51
SPEAKER_00: like how people that were once felt at home in those places no longer feel at home
45:55
SPEAKER_00: because of the changes,
45:56
SPEAKER_00: because of the cultural,
45:57
SPEAKER_00: you know, I mean,
45:59
SPEAKER_00: there used to be a very,
46:00
SPEAKER_00: you know,
46:01
SPEAKER_00: conservative,
46:02
SPEAKER_00: big church where I grew up, like in my town in Long Beach, really busy.
46:07
SPEAKER_00: And now it's a show of itself.
46:08
SPEAKER_00: And they fly like LGBT flags and stuff.
46:10
SPEAKER_00: And it's just, it's just a joke, you know, like, and he used to be like the conservators.
46:18
SPEAKER_00: Everybody went there, you know, and it's wild.
46:21
SPEAKER_00: And I'm not going to let these people do that.
46:24
SPEAKER_00: And it's always through pleasing, you know, the academic class.
46:28
SPEAKER_00: That really is what these people,
46:30
SPEAKER_00: a lot of these people,
46:31
SPEAKER_00: guys like Rod Dreher and stuff, they just really want to play both sides.
46:34
SPEAKER_00: You know, they just want to get invited to the special parties, you know.
46:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they want to go to the
46:37
SPEAKER_01: dinner parties.
46:39
SPEAKER_00: If you saw the little back and forth I had with that guy, he immediately bristled.
46:43
SPEAKER_00: I think I took him by surprise.
46:44
SPEAKER_00: I think me and Wolover.
46:45
SPEAKER_00: Wolover came out real good.
46:48
SPEAKER_00: I would go look at his Substack.
46:50
SPEAKER_00: I did.
46:51
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
46:51
SPEAKER_00: I happened to see that while
46:52
SPEAKER_01: you were speaking.
46:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
46:54
SPEAKER_00: And Wolover's stuff.
46:56
SPEAKER_00: I think the guy got caught off by surprise because I think he expected good boy brownie points.
47:01
SPEAKER_00: He expected a pat on the head from the usual kind of like geezers in the church
47:06
SPEAKER_00: because the Substack has a bunch of like Major Taylor Green and what's her name?
47:12
SPEAKER_00: Frederica Matthews Green and stuff.
47:14
SPEAKER_00: And I mean, they're nice people.
47:15
SPEAKER_00: I actually briefly met her in Charleston during a thing,
47:19
SPEAKER_00: but they're just, you know, they're the They're the boomer converts.
47:25
SPEAKER_00: And they're just about being nice and inviting everybody and stuff.
47:30
SPEAKER_00: And it just really shouldn't be about that.
47:33
SPEAKER_00: We're not in the age of nice, my dudes.
47:36
SPEAKER_00: That's the reality these people need to realize.
47:39
SPEAKER_00: We're in the age of lions.
47:41
SPEAKER_00: We're in the age of darkness.
47:44
SPEAKER_00: We're in an age where Muslim hordes are rampaging across Western Europe.
47:50
SPEAKER_00: And churches are burning in those places.
47:52
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
47:53
SPEAKER_00: We're in an age where foreign governments are funding Orthodox to kill Orthodox in Ukraine.
47:59
SPEAKER_00: All right.
48:00
SPEAKER_00: Like we're not in the age of let's sit around and do a drum circle.
48:05
SPEAKER_00: All right.
48:05
SPEAKER_00: And, you know,
48:06
SPEAKER_00: everybody's going to kumbaya around the guitar and everybody knows that except
48:11
SPEAKER_00: for these fucking boomers.
48:13
SPEAKER_00: All right.
48:14
SPEAKER_00: You know, we're in an age where things are going bad, where our economy is collapsing.
48:18
SPEAKER_00: You know, we're, you know, we're at war and running out of ammo.
48:21
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's just, we're not, we're not, it's not, no.
48:25
SPEAKER_00: All right.
48:26
SPEAKER_00: And we need to reflect that.
48:28
SPEAKER_01: All right.
48:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
48:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
48:29
SPEAKER_01: No, I, I completely agree.
48:31
SPEAKER_01: We're living in this world where there is a maw that is literally consuming
48:35
SPEAKER_01: the souls of millions and millions and millions of people.
48:39
SPEAKER_01: And these fucking retards are worried about being nice.
48:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
48:45
SPEAKER_00: So, yeah.
48:49
SPEAKER_00: So it's interesting, you know, um, all right.
48:52
SPEAKER_00: So let's, uh,
48:54
SPEAKER_00: take some deep breaths,
48:55
SPEAKER_00: you know,
48:56
SPEAKER_00: we'll do a little bit of yoga meditation,
48:57
SPEAKER_00: a little
48:58
SPEAKER_00: bit, a little bit of ASMR and, uh, change topics.
49:02
SPEAKER_01: Have a little green tea.
49:04
SPEAKER_00: And I have a little green tea.
49:06
SPEAKER_00: I'm actually having a little bit of green lemonade limeade.
49:09
SPEAKER_00: I'm addicted to that really cheap Publix lemonade that comes in the jug, the plastic jug.
49:18
SPEAKER_00: It probably has microplastics that go right to my balls or something.
49:21
SPEAKER_00: But I really like it.
49:23
SPEAKER_00: It's got a glass of it that's more sugar than three Cokes.
49:29
SPEAKER_00: But whatever, bro.
49:30
SPEAKER_00: It tastes good.
49:33
SPEAKER_00: I lifted today.
49:34
SPEAKER_00: I've been doing a new lifting program.
49:37
SPEAKER_00: Did some squats, some Romanian deadlifts, some bench pressing.
49:41
SPEAKER_00: Been trying to get swole again from back in the day.
49:47
SPEAKER_00: But what I want to talk to people about is I wanted to kind of go back to I work
49:54
SPEAKER_00: with a lot of young people and they're like between the ages of like 20 and like 28
49:58
SPEAKER_00: or so.
50:00
SPEAKER_00: They're pretty cool.
50:01
SPEAKER_00: And I always talk about like,
50:03
SPEAKER_00: you know,
50:04
SPEAKER_00: what, if there are issues or problems, what's going on and that kind of stuff.
50:08
SPEAKER_00: I like to, you know, kind of keep up with stuff.
50:11
SPEAKER_00: And I know a lot of young people from the different like groups,
50:15
SPEAKER_00: both in my church and like our friend groups tend to be a little bit younger.
50:21
SPEAKER_00: So I'm kind of on,
50:24
SPEAKER_00: I've met a lot of people and I've noticed one thing like
50:27
SPEAKER_00: that struck me like This struck me recently,
50:31
SPEAKER_00: and I don't know if you guys – I'm going to upset people right now.
50:34
SPEAKER_00: I probably upset people every time we do this podcast, but I'm going to upset people.
50:38
SPEAKER_00: I've noticed that a lot of young people are absolutely boring, right?
50:44
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
50:45
SPEAKER_00: I don't mean boring compared to me right now, right?
50:52
SPEAKER_00: You can't compare a young person to me because I've got 43 years of stuff in my brain.
50:59
SPEAKER_00: But I'm talking about they're boring compared to me when I was their age.
51:03
SPEAKER_00: And I feel like they're just dull and they have no interest in anything.
51:09
SPEAKER_00: And I feel like everybody,
51:11
SPEAKER_00: including our own generation, is progressively becoming more and more dull.
51:19
SPEAKER_00: Nobody's into anything anymore.
51:20
SPEAKER_00: There's nothing interesting going on.
51:23
SPEAKER_00: It's just like I go talk to people And I tried to strike up a conversation
51:28
SPEAKER_00: about something, and it's absolutely boring.
51:31
SPEAKER_00: It's like nobody knows anything.
51:33
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, hey, have you seen this movie?
51:35
SPEAKER_00: I've never heard of it.
51:35
SPEAKER_00: Have you seen this?
51:36
SPEAKER_00: Never heard of it.
51:37
SPEAKER_00: Have you read any books?
51:38
SPEAKER_00: You haven't read any fucking books.
51:39
SPEAKER_00: He's like, nobody reads.
51:40
SPEAKER_00: Nobody watches movies.
51:42
SPEAKER_00: What do people do?
51:45
SPEAKER_00: It's like everybody's become retarded.
51:48
SPEAKER_00: I don't get it.
51:50
SPEAKER_00: Are you seeing that at all, or is it just me?
51:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
51:56
SPEAKER_01: It's hard to say because living in this tiny rural town, it's almost like 30 years ago.
52:03
SPEAKER_01: Today was the National Day of Prayer and I participated in that.
52:08
SPEAKER_01: It was funny because I stepped through a liminal space 30 years ago back to like
52:15
SPEAKER_01: the Christian Protestant youth group.
52:17
SPEAKER_01: It was hilarious.
52:18
SPEAKER_01: You'd think all the stuff that we've been talking about,
52:21
SPEAKER_01: about all the things that have happened to the Protestant churches out here,
52:26
SPEAKER_01: you'd think somehow they've been spared it.
52:28
SPEAKER_01: I suspect that probably has to do with the fact
52:30
SPEAKER_01: that most people here are still somewhat connected with it being rural
52:35
SPEAKER_01: and agricultural.
52:36
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
52:37
SPEAKER_01: They haven't been straight mind raped by the cosmopolitan machinations of the city.
52:48
SPEAKER_01: And also, it's hard to say because I spend most of my time with high schoolers these days.
52:53
SPEAKER_01: And a lot of them are really interesting.
52:54
SPEAKER_01: We have great conversations.
52:56
SPEAKER_00: That's good to hear.
52:57
SPEAKER_00: That's really good to hear.
52:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
52:59
SPEAKER_01: I mean, part of it I fear is like, gosh, I hope I'm not boring.
53:01
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't think I am.
53:02
SPEAKER_01: I don't think I'm dull.
53:04
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm certainly not to the level of like some of the subjects that I teach.
53:08
SPEAKER_01: Like next week,
53:09
SPEAKER_01: we're going to be doing the letters of we're going to do some letters of John Adams
53:13
SPEAKER_01: and Thomas Jefferson.
53:14
SPEAKER_01: And I'm sure these guys would look at me and be like, shut up, retard.
53:17
SPEAKER_01: You know, it just.
53:18
SPEAKER_01: Complete trash.
53:21
SPEAKER_01: But at least as far as the current day and age, I think I do okay.
53:24
SPEAKER_01: I think the students do okay.
53:29
SPEAKER_01: But you can see the data cattle.
53:31
SPEAKER_01: You can see the diner goths.
53:34
SPEAKER_00: Correct.
53:38
SPEAKER_01: The kids that are bad are bad.
53:41
SPEAKER_01: Are super fucking bad.
53:44
SPEAKER_01: I confiscated a phone this week and the kid
53:46
SPEAKER_01: that really told me Like he said something under his breath and I turned around
53:50
SPEAKER_01: and I'm like, is there a problem?
53:52
SPEAKER_01: And he's like, you heard what I said, you little bitch.
53:54
SPEAKER_01: I just looked right at him.
53:55
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, okay, that's a decision.
53:57
SPEAKER_01: And you know, whatever.
53:58
SPEAKER_01: But like the dude had chrome in his face, like literally carrying a teddy bear on his back.
54:06
SPEAKER_01: Blonde, like just completely this trimmed out loser.
54:09
SPEAKER_01: And I'm just thinking to myself, man,
54:12
SPEAKER_01: you get out there and you're going to have that chrome just ripped out of your face,
54:14
SPEAKER_01: dude.
54:15
SPEAKER_01: I can't say shit like that.
54:18
SPEAKER_01: So like,
54:19
SPEAKER_01: maybe that's my perspective is that I'm probably kind of insulated because
54:23
SPEAKER_01: the nature of where I am, but the bad is really fucking bad.
54:27
SPEAKER_00: I can only imagine.
54:28
SPEAKER_00: I just, I feel like there's,
54:35
SPEAKER_00: and I was kind of wrecking my mind,
54:36
SPEAKER_00: like what is the deal with a lot of people is like that,
54:43
SPEAKER_00: to be honest, there's always been boring people.
54:46
SPEAKER_00: There's always been boring people.
54:50
SPEAKER_00: And they've been just absolutely dullard.
54:54
SPEAKER_00: But I remember when I was 20,
54:57
SPEAKER_00: 21 year old,
54:58
SPEAKER_00: I could go and sit down somewhere and have great conversation with people.
55:01
SPEAKER_00: And you met people that had interests.
55:03
SPEAKER_00: That's kind of what seems to be missing.
55:06
SPEAKER_00: And I'm not talking about like, oh, I collect Funko Pops and that kind of stuff.
55:10
SPEAKER_00: People were like, oh, I'm into books or I'm into this or I'm into history or that kind of stuff.
55:15
SPEAKER_00: Like deeper level of interest.
55:18
SPEAKER_00: That went beyond like that.
55:20
SPEAKER_00: And look, there are people like that.
55:22
SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying that everybody's like this.
55:23
SPEAKER_00: There's tons of people.
55:24
SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of people that like post on Substack are very much like this.
55:27
SPEAKER_00: Just the act of actually posting and writing on Substack makes you more interesting
55:32
SPEAKER_00: than a lot of people, to be honest.
55:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
55:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
55:35
SPEAKER_01: I'm thinking about, I'm thinking some of the people I know here.
55:37
SPEAKER_01: One of my, one of my, Co-workers, hunts, you know, that's his interests.
55:42
SPEAKER_01: He owns a farm, he hunts, he does stuff like that.
55:45
SPEAKER_01: I've got equestrians.
55:48
SPEAKER_01: I'm thinking of this one kid who's just, he is a complete bonkers ball of energy.
55:53
SPEAKER_01: And he's one of those guys who's,
55:55
SPEAKER_01: you know,
55:56
SPEAKER_01: Every Monday,
55:57
SPEAKER_01: he's telling me about the crazy stuff he did on this four-wheeler
55:59
SPEAKER_01: and almost got himself wrapped around a tree and shit like that.
56:02
SPEAKER_01: But he's got interests.
56:03
SPEAKER_01: He clearly knows what he's doing.
56:07
SPEAKER_01: I got fishermen.
56:08
SPEAKER_01: I got fishermen all over the place.
56:09
SPEAKER_01: And you ask them, like, oh, hey, what'd you catch?
56:12
SPEAKER_01: And they go into this autistic description of every single fish they caught
56:17
SPEAKER_01: that weekend and where to find them.
56:19
SPEAKER_01: And so there's clearly interests.
56:21
SPEAKER_01: There's clearly interests.
56:23
SPEAKER_01: Again, I suspect it's probably...
56:26
SPEAKER_01: Again, I suspect it's probably because I'm, you know, I'm in a rural place.
56:32
SPEAKER_01: But I think of the teachers.
56:35
SPEAKER_01: Maybe this is maybe this is where it is.
56:37
SPEAKER_01: I think of the teachers and I think of the teachers that are not from our town.
56:42
SPEAKER_01: That's where that's where probably some of the worst are.
56:45
SPEAKER_01: And I start talking to people.
56:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I started doing my thing.
56:48
SPEAKER_01: Like today I was sharing some of the stuff
56:50
SPEAKER_01: you know,
56:51
SPEAKER_01: I've been writing like for class and like talking about astronomy and,
56:54
SPEAKER_01: you know, astronavigation and like all these things.
56:57
SPEAKER_01: And these guys, like their eyes just glaze over like.
57:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't understand that works, you know, because it is the same thing.
57:06
SPEAKER_00: Like I'll go to a party or something like that.
57:09
SPEAKER_00: I actually went to a party, well, an eight-year-old's party
57:13
SPEAKER_01: this weekend,
57:16
SPEAKER_00: right?
57:19
SPEAKER_00: And for you guys that have kids, man, parties,
57:26
SPEAKER_00: they can be good.
57:27
SPEAKER_00: They can be bad.
57:28
SPEAKER_00: They're usually bad.
57:29
SPEAKER_00: But it's not the kids' part.
57:31
SPEAKER_00: The kids' part, I don't mind at all.
57:33
SPEAKER_00: It's actually the parents I'm not a fan of, you know?
57:38
SPEAKER_00: So having a girl,
57:40
SPEAKER_00: I get to kind of skate out of a lot of the parties because my wife takes her to all
57:46
SPEAKER_00: the birthday parties because they're usually just,
57:48
SPEAKER_00: they're girl parties and it's all moms.
57:51
SPEAKER_00: And it's just like awkward for like me as a dude to just stand there like, Hey, what's up?
57:55
SPEAKER_01: I can just imagine you go into a girl's birthday party and brooding in the corner
57:59
SPEAKER_01: with your copy of demons or something.
58:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, like, what's up, girls?
58:03
SPEAKER_00: You know, like, who's this creep, you know?
58:05
SPEAKER_00: I'm like the guy, like, in that meme, in that corner meme, you know?
58:11
SPEAKER_00: I'm like,
58:12
SPEAKER_00: they don't know I'm thinking about the,
58:14
SPEAKER_00: you know, the orthodox ortho bro split or whatever, you know?
58:19
SPEAKER_01: Mommy?
58:20
SPEAKER_01: Mommy, why did we invite the scary precious man to our party?
58:25
SPEAKER_01: Why did we invite Smeagol?
58:26
SPEAKER_00: This is not good.
58:30
SPEAKER_00: I usually dread these things.
58:33
SPEAKER_00: But I had to go this Sunday because my wife,
58:37
SPEAKER_00: she was working on a project and I'm like, of course, I'll go.
58:41
SPEAKER_00: And I went.
58:43
SPEAKER_00: And there's a few dudes, and the guys there were so boring.
58:47
SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to lie.
58:48
SPEAKER_00: There's just some guys that just military talked,
58:54
SPEAKER_00: and I'm just
58:54
SPEAKER_01: like, I don't want to talk about that shit.
58:56
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I don't want to do it.
59:00
SPEAKER_00: I just want to have a normal conversation about interesting stuff.
59:04
SPEAKER_00: You just can't.
59:07
SPEAKER_00: I, you know, I, I looked around and I saw a mom with a bunch of tattoos and stuff.
59:10
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, oh, I'm going to talk to her.
59:11
SPEAKER_00: And then I ended up talking about,
59:12
SPEAKER_00: you know, you know, talking about anime with her for like an hour.
59:17
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, okay, okay.
59:19
SPEAKER_00: I'm having a good time.
59:20
SPEAKER_00: This is fun.
59:21
SPEAKER_00: And then I met the, the dad of the, the kid whose partner he was, and he was Bolivian actually.
59:26
SPEAKER_00: He's a Bolivian immigrant thing that moved here like 20, 30 years ago.
59:29
SPEAKER_00: And he was really smart dude.
59:31
SPEAKER_00: And, uh, I had a blast hanging out with him.
59:34
SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh, I actually had a good time.
59:36
SPEAKER_00: But it was because he was interesting because he was a weird living guy.
59:41
SPEAKER_00: He was older.
59:43
SPEAKER_00: His daughter was turning nine, but he was in his 50s.
59:46
SPEAKER_00: He had her much younger, much older.
59:50
SPEAKER_00: And we talked about how the state has changed.
59:53
SPEAKER_00: And he's lived in South Carolina since the 90s and in this area.
59:58
SPEAKER_00: And he's like, yeah, when I moved here, there was nothing here and all this interesting stuff.
1:00:01
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, okay, this is interesting stuff.
1:00:04
SPEAKER_00: But you meet people and it's just like, let's talk about
1:00:08
SPEAKER_01: sports ball.
1:00:09
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, sports ball and the weather are like the worst things.
1:00:15
SPEAKER_00: But I was thinking about, we're always talking about young guys have a hard time.
1:00:20
SPEAKER_00: So I was thinking, what are some of the causes to people being exceptionally boring?
1:00:24
SPEAKER_00: And I think it's the internet to a certain degree.
1:00:27
SPEAKER_00: Not the internet itself, but the algorithm.
1:00:31
SPEAKER_00: The way the algorithm is curated makes everything boring.
1:00:34
SPEAKER_00: I feel like If you scroll through Instagram and stuff,
1:00:37
SPEAKER_00: you start seeing the same kind of memes over and over,
1:00:39
SPEAKER_00: which are just copies of the same memes.
1:00:42
SPEAKER_00: But back in 15 years ago,
1:00:45
SPEAKER_00: when YouTube first started,
1:00:46
SPEAKER_00: we used to get like Kind of like creative, like,
1:00:49
SPEAKER_00: you know, the stuff that became like memes and like became like all over the place.
1:00:53
SPEAKER_00: They were like really different and like funny and like kind of unique.
1:00:57
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:00:58
SPEAKER_00: Well, like nowadays,
1:00:59
SPEAKER_00: like it's like algorithm chasers and the algorithm kind of decides everything
1:01:03
SPEAKER_00: for you.
1:01:04
SPEAKER_00: So you become kind of like locked into like a side, like little pocket of things, you know, and.
1:01:12
SPEAKER_00: The other thing I think about is that there is really a lack of third places.
1:01:17
SPEAKER_00: When we were young,
1:01:19
SPEAKER_00: there was coffee shops everywhere where I grew up,
1:01:21
SPEAKER_00: and there was 18 over clubs where you could still go to and dance and stuff.
1:01:29
SPEAKER_00: People danced.
1:01:30
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if people dance anymore.
1:01:31
SPEAKER_00: You go to a club and get your clubbing on.
1:01:36
SPEAKER_00: Nobody can afford it.
1:01:37
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you guys have been to a bar lately.
1:01:41
SPEAKER_00: Bars are unaffordable.
1:01:42
SPEAKER_00: I don't know, at least where I live right now.
1:01:44
SPEAKER_01: It's rough.
1:01:45
SPEAKER_00: It's rough.
1:01:47
SPEAKER_00: 15 years ago at a bar, I used to go to three or four bars on the same street.
1:01:54
SPEAKER_00: I used to go bar hopping on Fridays and stuff.
1:01:57
SPEAKER_00: Your average beer was $1.50, $2.
1:01:58
SPEAKER_00: This is in California.
1:02:00
SPEAKER_00: If you wanted a fancier beer, maybe $6 tops.
1:02:05
SPEAKER_00: But, you know,
1:02:06
SPEAKER_00: most of the,
1:02:07
SPEAKER_00: you know,
1:02:08
SPEAKER_00: you can get a can of PBR for,
1:02:09
SPEAKER_00: you know, a dollar on Wednesdays and usually like $2.50.
1:02:14
SPEAKER_00: Otherwise, most bars I went, and this is like I said, California, Los Angeles County, right?
1:02:20
SPEAKER_00: You can get like a Coors Light Bottles for a dollar, you know, or like Bud Light Bottles.
1:02:26
SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, you go to a bar now and like your drink is like $9 for like a beer, you know?
1:02:31
SPEAKER_00: Like who the hell can afford that?
1:02:34
SPEAKER_00: Except for stupid fucking boomers.
1:02:35
SPEAKER_00: And that's all there is.
1:02:36
SPEAKER_00: Everywhere I go out here is just stupid, fat fucking boomers everywhere, dude.
1:02:41
SPEAKER_00: And they go, what do young guys ever go out?
1:02:44
SPEAKER_00: Well, because everything is too expensive.
1:02:47
SPEAKER_00: And in the places you can't afford, you get shot because the police don't do their job.
1:02:50
SPEAKER_00: So it's like...
1:02:53
SPEAKER_00: It's like, cool, man.
1:02:55
SPEAKER_00: But there isn't anything to do for anybody.
1:02:57
SPEAKER_00: So this combination of like internet brain rot makes, right?
1:03:01
SPEAKER_00: And like people say like, oh, but they do a lot of creative stuff online.
1:03:04
SPEAKER_00: People do creative,
1:03:05
SPEAKER_00: but they don't really because it's like five seconds at a time of like scrolling
1:03:09
SPEAKER_00: and it leads to a complete lack of attention span and nothing good gets made,
1:03:15
SPEAKER_00: you know?
1:03:15
SPEAKER_00: And it's just like a lot of nothingness, you know?
1:03:17
SPEAKER_00: When we talked about like,
1:03:20
SPEAKER_00: you know, like, The whole idea of the dating problems and the dating stuff, right?
1:03:31
SPEAKER_00: I think a lot of people have a lot of the dating ideas backwards.
1:03:34
SPEAKER_00: I think a lot of guys have this backwards.
1:03:36
SPEAKER_00: I think a lot of guys think that they need to find a girl and they find a girl
1:03:41
SPEAKER_00: and they imagine this fantasy about her and then they try to match themselves
1:03:45
SPEAKER_00: to this girl.
1:03:47
SPEAKER_00: I think that's the ass backwards way of doing things.
1:03:50
SPEAKER_00: I think that the number one thing you need to do is become interesting.
1:03:54
SPEAKER_00: I think that if you focus on yourself and you become interesting, become not boring.
1:04:02
SPEAKER_00: People will come to you.
1:04:03
SPEAKER_00: You will get stuff.
1:04:05
SPEAKER_00: People will come to you.
1:04:07
SPEAKER_00: I think too many people are focused on either a perfecting one little tiny thing or whatever.
1:04:13
SPEAKER_00: And I think we should really just strive to be interesting.
1:04:18
SPEAKER_00: That's the whole point.
1:04:19
SPEAKER_00: And I think we should be a very wide C perspective.
1:04:25
SPEAKER_00: And sometimes it can be shallow.
1:04:27
SPEAKER_00: It's okay to know little about a lot of things.
1:04:30
SPEAKER_00: That makes you interesting.
1:04:34
SPEAKER_00: That's really kind of the idea of the liberal education.
1:04:38
SPEAKER_00: Liberal education is not about bearing down and becoming an expert in something.
1:04:44
SPEAKER_00: No, it's about having a wide but shallow sea of knowledge, of interest.
1:04:51
SPEAKER_00: And I think that There's so much of this like,
1:04:55
SPEAKER_00: you know,
1:04:55
SPEAKER_00: like for example,
1:04:56
SPEAKER_00: like with youth sport or I don't know in your area,
1:04:59
SPEAKER_00: but like the whole idea of this whole traveling sport thing or whatever
1:05:03
SPEAKER_00: and turning your like athlete kid or whatever
1:05:05
SPEAKER_00: into like this division one athlete going to get into college
1:05:08
SPEAKER_00: because he plays volleyball or whatever, right?
1:05:11
SPEAKER_00: It's absurd to me.
1:05:13
SPEAKER_00: Yes, all young people should play sports.
1:05:15
SPEAKER_00: You and I should be playing sports or having a sport, right?
1:05:20
SPEAKER_00: But we need to just be like,
1:05:21
SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to become an NFL player and my kid's not going to become an NFL player
1:05:25
SPEAKER_00: and I'm not going to...
1:05:27
SPEAKER_00: They spend so much time on this high school sport or middle school sport
1:05:32
SPEAKER_00: that they don't get any of the other experiences that they need
1:05:35
SPEAKER_00: to become interesting people.
1:05:37
SPEAKER_00: The kid that spends his entire time being driven to away soccer games
1:05:42
SPEAKER_00: in high school is not a cool kid, my dudes.
1:05:45
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
1:05:46
SPEAKER_00: You're not serving them.
1:05:48
SPEAKER_00: Because they become fucking boring.
1:05:52
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to find a
1:05:53
SPEAKER_01: quote here.
1:05:54
SPEAKER_01: I'm going to find a quote here.
1:05:58
SPEAKER_01: Hold on.
1:05:58
SPEAKER_01: Keep talking.
1:05:59
SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
1:06:00
SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
1:06:00
SPEAKER_00: Well, like what I'm saying is like there should be multiple interests, right?
1:06:06
SPEAKER_00: Like young people should have multiple interests.
1:06:07
SPEAKER_00: You should have music and art and sports, you know, and old people.
1:06:12
SPEAKER_00: And when I say old people, I mean people like us, right?
1:06:14
SPEAKER_00: We really should have multiple interests.
1:06:15
SPEAKER_00: I think a well-rounded man should have a like intellectual interest,
1:06:22
SPEAKER_00: an athletic interest, and then their actual profession.
1:06:26
SPEAKER_00: Those all should be separate.
1:06:28
SPEAKER_00: And we should have a hobby, a fun hobby.
1:06:32
SPEAKER_00: And you don't have to be perfect at it.
1:06:35
SPEAKER_00: And the goal of a good hobby,
1:06:39
SPEAKER_00: a good hobby cannot be about making you money or getting you likes on YouTube.
1:06:47
SPEAKER_00: If your hobby is painting like Warhammer miniatures, for example, paint Warhammer miniatures.
1:06:56
SPEAKER_00: But if your hobby,
1:06:57
SPEAKER_00: but if what you're doing is like YouTubing yourself,
1:07:00
SPEAKER_00: painting Warhammer miniatures and maintaining your channel and all that stuff,
1:07:05
SPEAKER_00: well, your hobby is not Warhammer miniatures.
1:07:07
SPEAKER_00: It's fucking YouTubing.
1:07:09
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
1:07:10
SPEAKER_00: And a lot of stuff needs to, you know, and then you're no longer taking a joy in doing it.
1:07:15
SPEAKER_00: You're basically just monetizing it for likes and clicks and stuff, you know?
1:07:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:07:22
SPEAKER_01: So I found the quote.
1:07:25
SPEAKER_01: And I think it's a great place because with that YouTube example, it's perfect for this.
1:07:29
SPEAKER_01: And as with all things, Robert Heinlein speaks of this.
1:07:33
SPEAKER_01: A human being should be able to change a diaper,
1:07:35
SPEAKER_01: plan an invasion,
1:07:36
SPEAKER_01: butcher a hog,
1:07:37
SPEAKER_01: con a ship,
1:07:37
SPEAKER_01: design a building,
1:07:38
SPEAKER_01: write a sonnet,
1:07:39
SPEAKER_01: balance accounts,
1:07:40
SPEAKER_01: build a wall,
1:07:40
SPEAKER_01: set a bone,
1:07:41
SPEAKER_01: comfort the dying,
1:07:42
SPEAKER_01: take orders,
1:07:43
SPEAKER_01: give orders,
1:07:43
SPEAKER_01: cooperate,
1:07:44
SPEAKER_01: act alone,
1:07:45
SPEAKER_01: solve equations,
1:07:46
SPEAKER_01: analyze a new problem,
1:07:47
SPEAKER_01: pitch manure,
1:07:48
SPEAKER_01: program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
1:07:52
SPEAKER_01: Specialization is for insects.
1:07:55
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:07:56
SPEAKER_00: Perfect.
1:07:57
SPEAKER_01: There it is.
1:07:57
SPEAKER_01: That's it.
1:07:59
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:08:00
SPEAKER_00: And I think that way too much of our culture of raising young men,
1:08:04
SPEAKER_00: including us, right, is forcing specialization, you know, and it's not a good thing.
1:08:10
SPEAKER_00: We should not be special.
1:08:11
SPEAKER_00: We should be interesting.
1:08:12
SPEAKER_00: We should be, you know, I should like people always like, I should get this line.
1:08:16
SPEAKER_00: This is not me being blowing smoke on my ass.
1:08:19
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:08:20
SPEAKER_00: But I get people always telling me shit like, man, how do you know all this shit?
1:08:25
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
1:08:25
SPEAKER_00: I just randomly read shit.
1:08:26
SPEAKER_00: I drink coffee
1:08:27
SPEAKER_01: and know things.
1:08:28
SPEAKER_00: I kind of hate that that's considered cringe and stuff, but it's like, I don't know.
1:08:34
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh, what does that do?
1:08:37
SPEAKER_00: So I read about it,
1:08:38
SPEAKER_00: and I know it, and I put it in my mental spank bank, basically, to bring it out.
1:08:43
SPEAKER_00: I find it interesting.
1:08:45
SPEAKER_00: I think that's what my grandpa used to be.
1:08:50
SPEAKER_00: He used to always know everything about stuff.
1:08:55
SPEAKER_00: I remember I was a little kid and one day I walked in on him
1:08:58
SPEAKER_00: and he's fucking sculpting a statue out of clay.
1:09:02
SPEAKER_00: I'm like...
1:09:03
SPEAKER_00: I didn't know grandpa was a sculptor.
1:09:04
SPEAKER_00: And he's like, I'm not.
1:09:06
SPEAKER_00: But he sculpted his amazing statue.
1:09:08
SPEAKER_00: And he started sculpting stuff all of a sudden.
1:09:10
SPEAKER_00: And he always did sculpting, right?
1:09:11
SPEAKER_00: But he designed planes for a living most of his life.
1:09:15
SPEAKER_00: And then he did math for fun and all this stuff.
1:09:18
SPEAKER_00: And he banged a bunch of stewardesses in the early days of the air travel.
1:09:22
SPEAKER_00: And he traveled all over the place.
1:09:28
SPEAKER_00: You gotta be interesting, man.
1:09:30
SPEAKER_00: You gotta do it for like the joy of it, right?
1:09:33
SPEAKER_00: Every second you're sitting here like staring
1:09:35
SPEAKER_00: at some stupid fucking like Instagram feed and like scrolling into it,
1:09:40
SPEAKER_00: it's a net negative on your life, okay?
1:09:44
SPEAKER_00: And you really should be reading books, doing push-ups, having fun, napping.
1:09:49
SPEAKER_00: Napping is more valuable than any scrolling you're doing on you.
1:09:53
SPEAKER_00: Why?
1:09:53
SPEAKER_00: Because doing naps, you dream, right?
1:09:57
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
1:09:57
SPEAKER_00: And it's more important than sitting there scrolling through,
1:10:00
SPEAKER_00: like, idiocy on, like, you know, social media.
1:10:03
SPEAKER_00: And I think that, like,
1:10:07
SPEAKER_00: we've talked about the problem with young people or whatever
1:10:09
SPEAKER_00: and how can we help them.
1:10:11
SPEAKER_00: I think that's kind of, this is my answer.
1:10:12
SPEAKER_00: My answer is become fucking interesting, okay?
1:10:16
SPEAKER_00: Things are going to suck.
1:10:17
SPEAKER_00: Everything sucks.
1:10:19
SPEAKER_00: That's the fact.
1:10:20
SPEAKER_00: Can't change that.
1:10:21
SPEAKER_00: But you can just make the best of it and be interesting, you know?
1:10:25
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
1:10:27
SPEAKER_00: Garden.
1:10:28
SPEAKER_00: I don't do shit.
1:10:30
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
1:10:30
SPEAKER_00: Or just learn stuff and have conversations.
1:10:35
SPEAKER_00: People don't understand what the value of conversation is.
1:10:39
SPEAKER_00: A human being,
1:10:40
SPEAKER_00: a man or a woman that can communicate with And be pleasant to be around and have
1:10:47
SPEAKER_00: a good conversation with is so valuable.
1:10:50
SPEAKER_00: All right.
1:10:50
SPEAKER_00: People like that.
1:10:51
SPEAKER_00: People want to be around people where they can talk to, that they enjoy listening to.
1:10:56
SPEAKER_00: And if you can do that, like you are so much better off than so many people.
1:11:03
SPEAKER_00: All right.
1:11:03
SPEAKER_00: I, you know, back,
1:11:05
SPEAKER_00: back in Back in the day,
1:11:08
SPEAKER_00: and sometimes even that can be tired,
1:11:10
SPEAKER_00: but back when I was on my old adventures through the South Pacific,
1:11:17
SPEAKER_00: when we were done doing our projects and work and stuff,
1:11:20
SPEAKER_00: I'd get back to the hotel where I was staying,
1:11:23
SPEAKER_00: and all I wanted to do was go to the hotel veranda overlooking the Bismarck Sea,
1:11:29
SPEAKER_00: watch the beautiful sunset, and listen to the ocean, hit the shore, and
1:11:37
SPEAKER_00: Eat my grilled fish and rice from the restaurant and just drink a long black from
1:11:43
SPEAKER_00: the espresso machine and just fucking read and chain smoke cigarettes for like four
1:11:48
SPEAKER_00: or five hours, right?
1:11:49
SPEAKER_00: Maybe have a glass of wine that the waitresses would bring me.
1:11:52
SPEAKER_00: That's all I wanted to do.
1:11:53
SPEAKER_00: But everybody would come and sit down and want to talk to me, right?
1:11:57
SPEAKER_00: And they would ask me a question.
1:11:59
SPEAKER_00: Let me tell you about something, you know?
1:12:01
SPEAKER_00: And I realized that, like...
1:12:03
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes I would get really – or they would tell me about their family
1:12:07
SPEAKER_00: or their wives cheating on them or all their problems and listen to my opinion
1:12:11
SPEAKER_00: on it.
1:12:12
SPEAKER_00: And for a long time, I realized that – I was like, man, that kind of sucks.
1:12:16
SPEAKER_00: But then I realized, you know what?
1:12:18
SPEAKER_00: No, that's what being a human is about.
1:12:19
SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to be selfish and sit here by myself like a weirdo.
1:12:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:12:26
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to have a conversation because that's what humans are about.
1:12:29
SPEAKER_00: We're supposed to have good conversations, right?
1:12:32
SPEAKER_00: Enjoy things, like argue about things.
1:12:34
SPEAKER_00: And that idea is kind of what got me to start this podcast later on.
1:12:38
SPEAKER_00: And it is important, right?
1:12:42
SPEAKER_00: Doing this podcast is tiring.
1:12:45
SPEAKER_00: Like when we're done, sometimes I'm tired, but I also feel very revitalized when we're done.
1:12:50
SPEAKER_00: I have this energy because we did something interactive.
1:12:53
SPEAKER_00: We did something interesting, you know?
1:12:55
SPEAKER_00: Did something human.
1:12:57
SPEAKER_00: It does something human, right?
1:12:58
SPEAKER_00: Even though it's kind of a digital facsimile of it, it's still the best we can do, right?
1:13:03
SPEAKER_00: And I think that that's my advice.
1:13:06
SPEAKER_00: That's part of my advice to my daughter is just get into everything.
1:13:09
SPEAKER_00: Do everything.
1:13:10
SPEAKER_00: Be interesting.
1:13:11
SPEAKER_00: Be the person that somebody comes up to you and asks a question.
1:13:16
SPEAKER_00: Be the person that knows stuff.
1:13:20
SPEAKER_00: Know about old movies and know about new movies.
1:13:23
SPEAKER_00: Know about Marvel movies and know about sports teams and all this.
1:13:26
SPEAKER_01: Know everything.
1:13:27
SPEAKER_01: Just be interesting.
1:13:29
SPEAKER_00: Know all the things.
1:13:29
SPEAKER_01: Know everything.
1:13:30
SPEAKER_00: And do a little bit of everything.
1:13:33
SPEAKER_00: Try something.
1:13:34
SPEAKER_00: Eat all the food.
1:13:35
SPEAKER_00: I told myself that I will try every food at least once.
1:13:40
SPEAKER_00: And that's how I ate stinky tofu in Taipei.
1:13:43
SPEAKER_00: And that's how I ate a giant sea snail also in Taipei.
1:13:47
SPEAKER_00: And wasabi jellyfish in Japan and all kinds of inhuman crap all over the world.
1:13:53
SPEAKER_00: I've tasted it all.
1:13:55
SPEAKER_00: You know why?
1:13:55
SPEAKER_00: Because it's actually an interesting conversation piece.
1:13:58
SPEAKER_00: Right?
1:13:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:13:59
SPEAKER_00: When people bring up like, oh, it's weird stuff you've eaten.
1:14:01
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, well, you know, I ate this giant sea snail and I gagged on it.
1:14:06
SPEAKER_00: And then like made a giant jellyfish once, you know.
1:14:09
SPEAKER_00: You know, it's fun.
1:14:10
SPEAKER_01: You know, it's fun.
1:14:12
SPEAKER_01: Because of some stuff going on at school.
1:14:14
SPEAKER_01: We had a half day the other day.
1:14:16
SPEAKER_01: And on half days,
1:14:17
SPEAKER_01: I never do anything because a bunch of people typically don't even come
1:14:19
SPEAKER_01: to school anyway.
1:14:20
SPEAKER_01: So we're hanging out, right?
1:14:22
SPEAKER_01: And I've left my bass and my amplifier at my classroom.
1:14:27
SPEAKER_01: So I'll pull that thing out on occasion.
1:14:29
SPEAKER_01: Re-taught myself how to play Jungle Boogie.
1:14:32
SPEAKER_01: And then had a bunch of kids looking at me like, how the hell did you just do that?
1:14:34
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, mm-hmm.
1:14:37
SPEAKER_01: I do things because that's what you're talking about.
1:14:40
SPEAKER_01: My teacher just retaught himself Jungle Boogie from memory.
1:14:44
SPEAKER_01: Who does that?
1:14:44
SPEAKER_01: I do.
1:14:45
SPEAKER_01: Don't worry about it.
1:14:46
SPEAKER_01: It's fine.
1:14:47
SPEAKER_01: Everybody had a good laugh and it was whatever.
1:14:49
SPEAKER_01: There you go.
1:14:51
SPEAKER_00: I think that for us that are parents, just let your kids do stuff.
1:14:59
SPEAKER_00: What I mean is that I think it's great to be
1:15:02
SPEAKER_00: a very involved parent that's taking your kid to 17 dance classes,
1:15:06
SPEAKER_00: 17 sports classes and stuff or whatever.
1:15:09
SPEAKER_00: But some of the most valuable time I got when I was young,
1:15:16
SPEAKER_00: especially in late middle school,
1:15:18
SPEAKER_00: high school, was when my parents left me the fuck alone.
1:15:21
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
1:15:22
SPEAKER_00: When I could just read stuff on my own or just...
1:15:28
SPEAKER_00: Sit in the room and just scroll through the TV and find something I'm interested in
1:15:33
SPEAKER_00: or go through my books or that kind of stuff.
1:15:36
SPEAKER_00: I feel like we overburden young people and stuff with all the different activities,
1:15:42
SPEAKER_00: all the different stuff.
1:15:43
SPEAKER_00: No space to breathe.
1:15:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's no space to breathe.
1:15:48
SPEAKER_00: There's no space for them to develop their own personality because the reality of Yes.
1:15:55
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
1:16:14
SPEAKER_00: And if their teacher is the person that they love, it's very difficult to do that.
1:16:19
SPEAKER_00: It's very difficult for them to revolt against their teacher in
1:16:24
SPEAKER_00: a controlled environment because then bitterness happens between the parents and
1:16:29
SPEAKER_00: the kids and that kind of stuff.
1:16:32
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, they need to breathe.
1:16:33
SPEAKER_00: And just for all of us though,
1:16:35
SPEAKER_00: I think all of us are like deficient in a lot of things, you know?
1:16:39
SPEAKER_00: We haven't read as much and we haven't seen as many movies and we haven't seen that much stuff.
1:16:43
SPEAKER_00: And I'm thinking like,
1:16:44
SPEAKER_00: you know,
1:16:44
SPEAKER_00: maybe we should start putting together like lists,
1:16:47
SPEAKER_00: you know,
1:16:47
SPEAKER_00: like the black ibis recommended reading and recommended movie watching and all
1:16:52
SPEAKER_00: that stuff.
1:16:53
SPEAKER_00: So we can just try to make all of us more interesting, you know, more, right?
1:16:59
SPEAKER_00: Like we'll come up with like, Watch these 10 movies this year, right?
1:17:03
SPEAKER_00: Watch these 10 foreign movies and you're going to be able to talk about it, right?
1:17:07
SPEAKER_00: Because if I like,
1:17:08
SPEAKER_00: you know,
1:17:09
SPEAKER_00: you talk about somebody like, you know, I tend to be a bit of a movie snob, right?
1:17:15
SPEAKER_00: And I ask people like, oh, have you ever seen this movie?
1:17:17
SPEAKER_00: And they're like, oh, I've never heard of it.
1:17:19
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, how about this movie?
1:17:20
SPEAKER_00: Never heard of it.
1:17:21
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, well, damn, damn.
1:17:23
SPEAKER_00: You're not interesting, you know?
1:17:24
SPEAKER_00: Like, have you ever heard of the greatest movie, I'm Under the Silver Lake?
1:17:27
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm not even talking about it.
1:17:30
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
1:17:32
SPEAKER_00: So I've become the consummate recommender of things lately.
1:17:37
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, you should watch this.
1:17:38
SPEAKER_00: You should watch this.
1:17:38
SPEAKER_00: You should watch this.
1:17:40
SPEAKER_00: And I think that's a good thing.
1:17:43
SPEAKER_00: We should be doing that.
1:17:44
SPEAKER_00: We should be recommending stuff to people.
1:17:47
SPEAKER_00: We should be telling people what to do, what to read and stuff.
1:17:50
SPEAKER_00: Because I think that's probably one of the deficiencies of the lack of
1:17:55
SPEAKER_00: a good monoculture is that there isn't like a...
1:17:58
SPEAKER_00: Like a standardized canon anymore,
1:18:00
SPEAKER_00: you know,
1:18:00
SPEAKER_00: and by kind of like doing,
1:18:02
SPEAKER_00: like bringing things back,
1:18:03
SPEAKER_00: I think,
1:18:04
SPEAKER_00: you know,
1:18:04
SPEAKER_00: we can improve everybody's overall like knowledge and,
1:18:07
SPEAKER_00: you know,
1:18:08
SPEAKER_00: people go, well,
1:18:08
SPEAKER_00: who cares about books and stuff,
1:18:10
SPEAKER_00: you know,
1:18:11
SPEAKER_00: movies and shit,
1:18:12
SPEAKER_00: you know, like they're just, I mean, no, they make you interesting, man.
1:18:15
SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry to say that, right?
1:18:16
SPEAKER_00: Like art and, you know, entertainment and Knowing things, it's good.
1:18:22
SPEAKER_00: It's good.
1:18:23
SPEAKER_00: It's good for the human soul, man.
1:18:25
SPEAKER_00: Totally good.
1:18:27
SPEAKER_00: Being well-read,
1:18:28
SPEAKER_00: being well-watched in the cultural things,
1:18:31
SPEAKER_00: understanding things about science and the environment.
1:18:38
SPEAKER_00: You know what always shocks me?
1:18:39
SPEAKER_00: This is something that always shocks me when I talk to people,
1:18:42
SPEAKER_00: is that they know nothing about where they live.
1:18:45
SPEAKER_00: Right?
1:18:45
SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
1:18:46
SPEAKER_00: You've probably heard this cliche things,
1:18:48
SPEAKER_00: you know,
1:18:49
SPEAKER_00: people can name more celebrities than they can name birds in their backyard.
1:18:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:18:54
SPEAKER_00: Right?
1:18:55
SPEAKER_00: Like, and that's the truth, right?
1:18:57
SPEAKER_00: You go look outside in your backyard,
1:18:59
SPEAKER_00: and I don't know about you guys,
1:19:00
SPEAKER_00: but my backyard's filled with crazy, you know, birds, right?
1:19:02
SPEAKER_00: I've got, I got a bunch of robins, no, not robins, cardinals.
1:19:08
SPEAKER_00: Cardinals are like my favorite bird back down here.
1:19:10
SPEAKER_00: So you get cardinals, and they're mated bonded pairs, and they're sexually dimorphous.
1:19:17
SPEAKER_00: So the males and females are very different than the cardinals, right?
1:19:20
SPEAKER_00: The male Cardinals are the bright red ones, and the female Cardinals are these...
1:19:25
SPEAKER_00: I think the female Cardinals are actually very pretty also.
1:19:28
SPEAKER_00: They're like these brownish kind of...
1:19:32
SPEAKER_00: And we always name them Cardi B because it just makes sense.
1:19:34
SPEAKER_00: It's funny.
1:19:38
SPEAKER_00: And there's Tufted Titmouses.
1:19:41
SPEAKER_00: And then we have those mean bastards, mockingbirds, right?
1:19:44
SPEAKER_00: Which are some of the meanest birds around.
1:19:47
SPEAKER_00: And then we got our crows, which are some of my favorite.
1:19:51
SPEAKER_00: For a few weeks, we had...
1:19:58
SPEAKER_00: For a few weeks,
1:19:59
SPEAKER_00: we had a pair of young,
1:20:02
SPEAKER_00: I think they were adolescent morning doves that were living in
1:20:05
SPEAKER_00: the bushes right outside my door.
1:20:08
SPEAKER_00: And I would check on them every day and my daughter would check on them every day.
1:20:11
SPEAKER_00: But I mean,
1:20:12
SPEAKER_00: I can guarantee you,
1:20:13
SPEAKER_00: like if I walked up to random people and I pointed to the dove,
1:20:16
SPEAKER_00: they wouldn't know what kind of bird it is.
1:20:18
SPEAKER_00: And that's sad to me.
1:20:19
SPEAKER_00: You know,
1:20:19
SPEAKER_00: it's sad to me that you don't know what a tough titmouse is,
1:20:22
SPEAKER_00: even though you see him bouncing around, you know?
1:20:24
SPEAKER_00: And It bothers me to a certain degree.
1:20:29
SPEAKER_00: But what's even shocking is that a lot of people don't know the history of their town.
1:20:35
SPEAKER_01: Oh, gosh.
1:20:36
SPEAKER_01: I've been harping on this.
1:20:37
SPEAKER_01: I've been harping on this.
1:20:40
SPEAKER_01: We've got several Indians.
1:20:42
SPEAKER_01: We've got Confederate smugglers.
1:20:45
SPEAKER_01: We've got cattlemen.
1:20:47
SPEAKER_01: We've got forts.
1:20:49
SPEAKER_01: We've got everything.
1:20:50
SPEAKER_01: And everyone's like, do I know?
1:20:53
SPEAKER_01: Guys...
1:20:54
SPEAKER_01: Here's a picture of our town founder hanging out with a bunch of Indians.
1:20:58
SPEAKER_01: Check that out.
1:20:59
SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
1:21:01
SPEAKER_01: Let me tell you what this guy got up to during the war between the states.
1:21:05
SPEAKER_01: Guy was a blockade runner.
1:21:08
SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's cool.
1:21:11
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes I think
1:21:16
SPEAKER_00: Am I just weird?
1:21:19
SPEAKER_00: Am I the kind of person that...
1:21:23
SPEAKER_00: For example,
1:21:26
SPEAKER_00: right up the street from where I live is the town of Port Royal, South Carolina.
1:21:33
SPEAKER_00: And it's one of the oldest places in the country.
1:21:38
SPEAKER_00: It was explored and named after the French...
1:21:45
SPEAKER_00: Rebo, Jean Rebo, right?
1:21:48
SPEAKER_00: And that was, look at Wikipedia, 1562, right?
1:21:54
SPEAKER_00: And, you know, my church is actually on Rebo Road.
1:22:00
SPEAKER_00: And I can guarantee you nobody knows what Rebo is or what it's named after, but no,
1:22:05
SPEAKER_00: it's a, you know, French explorer that discovered the Port Royal area, right?
1:22:09
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:22:10
SPEAKER_00: Right by my house, in my neighborhood, there's a street named Gibbet, right?
1:22:16
SPEAKER_00: It's named Gibbet Road.
1:22:18
SPEAKER_00: And when we first moved here, I was like, Gibbet?
1:22:20
SPEAKER_00: That's really weird.
1:22:22
SPEAKER_00: Isn't a Gibbet a thing where you hang people, right?
1:22:31
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, yeah, it is.
1:22:33
SPEAKER_00: It is a thing that you hang people, right?
1:22:35
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:22:35
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, that's kind of weird.
1:22:37
SPEAKER_00: And the street itself is kind of sinister, to be honest.
1:22:40
SPEAKER_00: It has kind of a sinister vibe to it, right?
1:22:43
SPEAKER_00: It's like it's back in the street through the swamp.
1:22:46
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, why would you name it Gibbett?
1:22:48
SPEAKER_00: And then my wife's like, well, let's look it up.
1:22:50
SPEAKER_00: Let's figure it out.
1:22:50
SPEAKER_00: And this is maybe the first month we moved here, right?
1:22:54
SPEAKER_00: And it bothered me because I'm like, it's kind of a weird name.
1:22:59
SPEAKER_00: And it means the place where you hang people.
1:23:02
SPEAKER_00: I wonder if it has anything to do with slave markets and slaves
1:23:05
SPEAKER_00: because it is South Carolina, right?
1:23:08
SPEAKER_00: So I actually looked it up in the Beaufort County Historical Society
1:23:15
SPEAKER_00: and it actually has nothing to do with slaves.
1:23:17
SPEAKER_00: It actually has everything to do with pirates, right?
1:23:21
SPEAKER_00: And it's a place where they hung pirates in the Blackbeard era of this place, right?
1:23:28
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, oh, Well, that's freaking awesome, right?
1:23:32
SPEAKER_00: This pirate ghost where I live in my neighborhood in the swamp, you know?
1:23:35
SPEAKER_00: That's great.
1:23:37
SPEAKER_00: And I have never met one fucking person in the four years I've lived here
1:23:40
SPEAKER_00: that had any idea why that street is named that or even what it means.
1:23:43
SPEAKER_00: And it really pisses me off.
1:23:44
SPEAKER_00: I don't know why.
1:23:45
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
1:23:46
SPEAKER_01: Hey, this reminds me when I went to Key West and I walked into the custom house
1:23:50
SPEAKER_01: and I discovered the room where The beginning to the end of
1:23:56
SPEAKER_01: the Spanish Empire happened and the rise of the American Empire began
1:23:59
SPEAKER_01: where they decided what to do about the USS Maine.
1:24:02
SPEAKER_01: I can just imagine the conversation that was in that room.
1:24:05
SPEAKER_01: And all I did was like, oh, this is a cool looking building.
1:24:07
SPEAKER_01: I'm going inside.
1:24:09
SPEAKER_00: Right.
1:24:09
SPEAKER_00: And you find cool stuff like that.
1:24:11
SPEAKER_01: I have fucking awesome stuff.
1:24:14
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes I think maybe I'm just a weirdo.
1:24:17
SPEAKER_00: Maybe I should just stop thinking the way I do and just focus on memorizing Cardinals.
1:24:27
SPEAKER_00: Instead of looking at Cardinals,
1:24:28
SPEAKER_00: maybe I should watch baseball with Cardinals or something or whatever.
1:24:32
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
1:24:32
SPEAKER_00: I don't get it.
1:24:34
SPEAKER_00: I feel like there's so much interesting stuff around me.
1:24:38
SPEAKER_00: In your everyday life.
1:24:39
SPEAKER_00: There's so much interesting stuff from the type of trees.
1:24:43
SPEAKER_00: Just so much interesting stuff.
1:24:45
SPEAKER_00: And history and culture and everything.
1:24:48
SPEAKER_00: And so many people are just fucking zombies.
1:24:52
SPEAKER_00: Like you say, data cattle.
1:24:54
SPEAKER_00: They just live their lives staring at their phones and go to their boring jobs.
1:25:00
SPEAKER_00: Shoot the cud.
1:25:03
SPEAKER_00: They're in the matrix.
1:25:05
SPEAKER_00: They're in the matrix, but worse because they don't even serve a purpose.
1:25:09
SPEAKER_00: They get sucked out of taxpayer money and that's it.
1:25:13
SPEAKER_00: They're just breathing oxygen and making carbon monoxide.
1:25:17
SPEAKER_00: It's a depressing existence to be dull.
1:25:20
SPEAKER_00: Don't be dull.
1:25:21
SPEAKER_00: Don't be dull.
1:25:23
SPEAKER_01: Don't be dull.
1:25:26
SPEAKER_00: Well, that was our speech for the day, guys.
1:25:28
SPEAKER_00: I hope you guys enjoyed it.
1:25:30
SPEAKER_00: Oh, there is one thing before we leave.
1:25:31
SPEAKER_00: There is one thing before we leave, right?
1:25:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, what's that?
1:25:34
SPEAKER_00: You are reading a book that you're recommending I read.
1:25:37
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
1:25:38
SPEAKER_01: I've begun reading Frank Kidd's Once Upon a Time in Argentina.
1:25:44
SPEAKER_01: It hooked me immediately.
1:25:45
SPEAKER_01: The first chapter are like five conversations I've had with you specifically.
1:25:51
SPEAKER_01: So I feel like you would enjoy them.
1:25:54
SPEAKER_01: I know that...
1:25:56
SPEAKER_01: The military guys out there will definitely enjoy the book because it starts out
1:26:01
SPEAKER_01: the whole first chapter is basically jokes about suicide.
1:26:04
SPEAKER_01: And who doesn't love that?
1:26:05
SPEAKER_01: And who doesn't love that?
1:26:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm excited about it.
1:26:10
SPEAKER_01: The aesthetic of the book, it looks like a cool book.
1:26:16
SPEAKER_01: I'm reading it at school because that's when I actually have the time to focus and read.
1:26:20
SPEAKER_01: And I've had kids ask, they're like, what's that?
1:26:22
SPEAKER_01: It's like, well, let me tell you.
1:26:24
SPEAKER_01: You can't read it yet, but let me tell you what this is about.
1:26:27
SPEAKER_00: Nice.
1:26:28
SPEAKER_01: Pirates on the high seas shooting Chinese.
1:26:30
SPEAKER_01: And they're like, wait, what?
1:26:33
SPEAKER_01: It's a pirate adventure.
1:26:34
SPEAKER_01: That's what it is.
1:26:36
SPEAKER_00: It's about an ex-military guy who takes a job for a military contractor
1:26:42
SPEAKER_00: and he goes down to Argentina and they're basically trying to stop
1:26:48
SPEAKER_00: the Chinese fishing vessels that are doing fuckery over there.
1:26:52
SPEAKER_00: Eating all
1:26:53
SPEAKER_01: the fish.
1:26:53
SPEAKER_01: That are eating all the fish.
1:26:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:26:56
SPEAKER_00: It sounds really interesting.
1:26:57
SPEAKER_00: I actually ordered it today when you told me to because when somebody tells me,
1:27:01
SPEAKER_00: hey, you should really read this, I just buy it.
1:27:02
SPEAKER_00: I just do.
1:27:03
SPEAKER_00: I don't even like, you know, like, this
1:27:05
SPEAKER_01: is correct.
1:27:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:27:06
SPEAKER_01: I'm always like, yeah, I've also got, I've also got a, I got a five pack of Heinlein.
1:27:11
SPEAKER_01: So Starship Troopers,
1:27:13
SPEAKER_01: The Moon is a Harsh Mistress,
1:27:15
SPEAKER_01: Strangers in a Strange Land, and two other books I can't remember.
1:27:17
SPEAKER_01: So I'm going to read those.
1:27:19
SPEAKER_01: Then I also want to grab the Space Trilogy.
1:27:21
SPEAKER_01: So I'm engaging in operation book acquisition.
1:27:26
SPEAKER_01: Just I like this book.
1:27:27
SPEAKER_01: I buy it.
1:27:28
SPEAKER_01: If I get to it, great.
1:27:29
SPEAKER_01: If not, it goes into my library.
1:27:31
SPEAKER_00: My wife found a first paperback printing of Dune.
1:27:37
SPEAKER_00: It's sitting on my...
1:27:40
SPEAKER_00: It's from the 60s.
1:27:40
SPEAKER_00: It's a paperback.
1:27:42
SPEAKER_00: It's obviously not the first printing printing, but it's the first paperback version of Dune.
1:27:48
SPEAKER_00: It's dated 1960-something.
1:27:50
SPEAKER_00: I didn't really look at it, but it's old.
1:27:52
SPEAKER_00: I don't know where she found it, but it's pretty exciting.
1:27:57
SPEAKER_00: I should get those.
1:27:57
SPEAKER_00: I need to get those, too.
1:28:02
SPEAKER_00: Well, I've never read the full Sprawl trilogy,
1:28:04
SPEAKER_00: so I've never read Count Zero and Mona Lisa Overdrive.
1:28:09
SPEAKER_00: So I was like, okay, I want to read the whole three, right?
1:28:14
SPEAKER_00: So I'm like, I got to start back with Neuromancer and reread it, you know?
1:28:18
SPEAKER_00: And I'm kind of, I want to, I'm trying to get hype for, you know, what do you call it?
1:28:23
SPEAKER_00: Edge Runners season.
1:28:25
SPEAKER_00: So I've been like on this, I've been on this mad kick of like cyberpunk, everything.
1:28:29
SPEAKER_00: Like I watched Ghost in the Shell.
1:28:32
SPEAKER_00: Both the 95 movie and I watched the new show, the 2026 one that's on Amazon.
1:28:40
SPEAKER_01: You know, with our new bi-weekly schedule,
1:28:43
SPEAKER_01: if we do that with Edge Runners and then talk about two episodes per episode,
1:28:45
SPEAKER_01: those are going to be some jam-packed episodes.
1:28:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
1:28:50
SPEAKER_00: I think we should probably just work out real nice.
1:28:52
SPEAKER_00: Because I'm probably going to binge watch the whole thing.
1:28:56
SPEAKER_00: Just wait and vote.
1:28:58
SPEAKER_00: All right.
1:28:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:29:00
SPEAKER_00: That's fine.
1:29:01
SPEAKER_00: We can always bring it up as we go along.
1:29:04
SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's probably going to be released in sections, huh?
1:29:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:29:09
SPEAKER_01: I hope they just drop the whole thing.
1:29:10
SPEAKER_00: It's going to piss
1:29:12
SPEAKER_01: me off.
1:29:13
SPEAKER_01: They do that.
1:29:14
SPEAKER_01: Netflix really doesn't do that, do they?
1:29:16
SPEAKER_01: That's other guys that'll do that.
1:29:17
SPEAKER_01: Or just Netflix do that.
1:29:19
SPEAKER_01: I have no idea.
1:29:19
SPEAKER_01: Who cares?
1:29:20
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
1:29:21
SPEAKER_00: We'll see.
1:29:22
SPEAKER_00: Because I'm going to probably binge watch it and cry because,
1:29:24
SPEAKER_00: you know, it's probably going to be sad and depressing.
1:29:26
SPEAKER_00: You know, like the first one was.
1:29:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:29:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:29:30
SPEAKER_01: First one was beautiful, man.
1:29:31
SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, that was great.
1:29:34
SPEAKER_00: I had a good song and everything.
1:29:36
SPEAKER_00: My favorite character was the shotgun girl.
1:29:39
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
1:29:40
SPEAKER_00: Shotgun girl is Rebecca, Rebecca or whatever.
1:29:44
SPEAKER_00: And like a little degenerate.
1:29:46
SPEAKER_00: I also like the way that,
1:29:47
SPEAKER_00: that their driver looked,
1:29:49
SPEAKER_00: he was kind of like a cowboy kind of dude who's kind of, yeah.
1:29:52
SPEAKER_00: Falco, Falco, yeah.
1:29:53
SPEAKER_01: Instant love.
1:29:54
SPEAKER_01: He's the instant love.
1:29:55
SPEAKER_01: Like that's the Han Solo guy.
1:29:57
SPEAKER_01: He's gonna make it.
1:29:58
SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be okay.
1:29:58
SPEAKER_01: And he's just the consummate professional.
1:30:01
SPEAKER_01: Don't worry about it.
1:30:02
SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be fine.
1:30:03
SPEAKER_01: If anybody makes it out, it's gonna be Falco.
1:30:05
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:30:05
SPEAKER_01: Cause he's a good dude.
1:30:06
SPEAKER_01: He's a good dude.
1:30:07
SPEAKER_00: He just does.
1:30:10
SPEAKER_01: Actually, it's Falco is the autotelic.
1:30:12
SPEAKER_01: He's the autotelic of the show.
1:30:14
SPEAKER_01: Like he does the driving.
1:30:15
SPEAKER_01: He does the wheel man stuff because he just fucking loves it, man.
1:30:18
SPEAKER_01: The love of the game.
1:30:21
SPEAKER_00: But anyway, well, like I saw, did you see that?
1:30:25
SPEAKER_00: Did you see the preview, the preview for it?
1:30:27
SPEAKER_00: Season two?
1:30:28
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
1:30:29
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
1:30:30
SPEAKER_01: It's definitely got that energy.
1:30:31
SPEAKER_00: And the character designs are pretty cool.
1:30:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:30:35
SPEAKER_00: You know,
1:30:36
SPEAKER_00: after we're done here or after we're done here,
1:30:39
SPEAKER_00: what I'm going to go,
1:30:39
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to watch like the last few episodes of Samurai Champloo.
1:30:42
SPEAKER_00: Have you ever watched that one?
1:30:43
SPEAKER_01: I haven't.
1:30:44
SPEAKER_01: No, that'll happen after I'm done with Pluto.
1:30:46
SPEAKER_01: I wanted to tell you I'm about halfway through Pluto.
1:30:49
SPEAKER_01: I got to sit down and finish the rest of it.
1:30:50
SPEAKER_01: What do you think?
1:30:51
SPEAKER_01: Oh, dude, it's awesome.
1:30:53
SPEAKER_01: Gazite is fantastic.
1:30:55
SPEAKER_01: It's amazing, right?
1:30:55
SPEAKER_01: I love Gazite.
1:30:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's great.
1:30:59
SPEAKER_01: Did you get all my messages when I was talking about like,
1:31:01
SPEAKER_01: it's got all, it's got all the, uh, it's got all these different voice actors in it.
1:31:04
SPEAKER_01: Like the guy that, uh,
1:31:04
SPEAKER_01: the guy that does Hercules was bought is Bato in the,
1:31:07
SPEAKER_01: uh, ghost in the shell TV show.
1:31:09
SPEAKER_01: So it was fun hearing his voice.
1:31:11
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then Keith, Keith,
1:31:13
SPEAKER_01: David playing, uh, who's, uh, playing, playing like the, the, the father of Adam.
1:31:18
SPEAKER_01: Cause Keith, David's in, uh, like massive bunch of other shit.
1:31:21
SPEAKER_01: So like hearing Keith, David, I was like, yes.
1:31:24
SPEAKER_01: Nice.
1:31:25
SPEAKER_01: Captain Anderson, let's go.
1:31:28
SPEAKER_01: It's great.
1:31:29
SPEAKER_00: It's a great show.
1:31:32
SPEAKER_00: The last four episodes are fantastic.
1:31:35
SPEAKER_00: It has the stakes rise and stuff.
1:31:39
SPEAKER_00: There's some great philosophical questions that come up in it.
1:31:44
SPEAKER_00: All right, guys, I'm going to go finish.
1:31:46
SPEAKER_01: Hold on, Alex.
1:31:47
SPEAKER_01: The only quick criticism I have,
1:31:48
SPEAKER_01: and maybe it's not so much a criticism,
1:31:50
SPEAKER_01: but you could do a very nasty drinking game with how many times they bring up
1:31:53
SPEAKER_01: the 39th Central Asian War.
1:31:55
SPEAKER_01: Every time they say that, take a drink.
1:31:56
SPEAKER_00: Well, there's a reason they do that.
1:32:01
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
1:32:02
SPEAKER_00: And it's because...
1:32:04
SPEAKER_00: You have to kind of finish it.
1:32:05
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:32:05
SPEAKER_00: All right.
1:32:08
SPEAKER_00: It's basically they're trying – it's kind of tongue-in-cheek,
1:32:12
SPEAKER_00: and it's supposed to be the first Iraq war, right?
1:32:14
SPEAKER_00: Well, the 2000s Iraq war, obviously.
1:32:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, obviously.
1:32:17
SPEAKER_00: And I think they're trying to draw attention to that.
1:32:20
SPEAKER_00: They're trying to draw attention to that,
1:32:22
SPEAKER_00: and – It's actually a very anti-West,
1:32:27
SPEAKER_00: anti-American show, at least anti that era of America show.
1:32:33
SPEAKER_00: But you have to kind of get to the back episodes to see some back-end stuff
1:32:39
SPEAKER_00: that was kind of not revealed until later.
1:32:41
SPEAKER_00: All right, guys, I'm going to sign off.
1:32:45
SPEAKER_00: Thanks for joining us.
1:32:46
SPEAKER_00: All you guys listening in the future, thank you very much.
1:32:50
SPEAKER_00: We will be back in two weeks.
1:32:53
SPEAKER_00: And we'll have some cool topics for the future.
1:32:55
SPEAKER_00: And I hope that I didn't upset everybody too much.
1:32:59
SPEAKER_01: No, never.
1:33:01
SPEAKER_00: Because feeling things, even anger, is good.
1:33:07
SPEAKER_00: It's better than being a zombie or a bug.
1:33:10
SPEAKER_00: All right?
1:33:11
SPEAKER_00: So, guys, good night.
1:33:12
SPEAKER_00: And it was a pleasure, Fisto.
1:33:14
SPEAKER_00: I will talk to you probably tomorrow.
1:33:16
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
1:33:20
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1:33:22
SPEAKER_00: Good night, guys.
1:33:24
SPEAKER_01: Adios.