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The Last of Us Part 2 Special: Episode 7 · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha and welcome to stuff
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Speaker 1: I never told you, protection of iHeartRadio, and welcome to
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Speaker 1: the finale our Last of US season two mini series
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Speaker 1: reaction podcast. Again not a sponsor. I think it's ridiculous,
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Speaker 1: but all right, I guess they've got their old podcast.
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Speaker 2: But what.
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Speaker 1: So, Yeah, this is our finale until season three. Remember
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Speaker 1: that shall be. But that being said, spoilers for all
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Speaker 1: of season two now season one first game. I am
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Speaker 1: going to hint at some things that happen in the
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Speaker 1: game that I'm just going to give you some kind
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Speaker 1: of like leading questions at the end, but nothing too spoilery.
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Speaker 1: But if you want to avoid all of that, then
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Speaker 1: when I get to the end and be like goodbye.
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Speaker 1: But yes, basically, this is my favorite game of all time.
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Speaker 1: So when they made the show, we were like, we've
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Speaker 1: got to do it. I was like, we got to
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Speaker 1: do it. Samantha had been pretty supportive of me doing
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Speaker 1: it the first season, so we're back.
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Speaker 2: He was very for both because I knew it was
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Speaker 2: going to be good.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so much stress, but this is the last one
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Speaker 1: and then we'll get back to fiction pieces that we've
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Speaker 1: been not doing this month. And sex and the city
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Speaker 1: that we haven't been doing just because of the workload
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Speaker 1: and to balance things out so Christina doesn't kill us.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't kill Christina with too much work exactly.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we try to. We try to not do that
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Speaker 1: around here. But yes, the way these work is. Samantha
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Speaker 1: gives the recap on the most recent episode, and then
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Speaker 1: I break down all of my thoughts, and I gotta say,
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Speaker 1: I got a lot of thoughts about this one.
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Speaker 2: So, oh, I'm sure we do. I see how many
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Speaker 2: pages you got here? Oh yep, what all right? So
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Speaker 2: are you ready to jump in for my wonderful recap? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Tell me usually correct? All right. So if you remember,
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Speaker 2: we have left Dina who had just gotten shot by
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Speaker 2: a serified arrow, and we come back to her and
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Speaker 2: Jessee in the theater. They made it back, and they're
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Speaker 2: having a whole back and forth about how to get
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Speaker 2: the arrow out, and even at one point like putting
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Speaker 2: alcohol on everything. He's being a real pro trying to
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Speaker 2: give her alcohol. She's like, no, I can't, and talk
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Speaker 2: about how.
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Speaker 1: She can't die there.
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Speaker 2: They can't die there, cut saying to real horrible pain,
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Speaker 2: painful scene, and then she's asleep, and we see Ellie
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Speaker 2: has made it back to the theater trying to get in,
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Speaker 2: and they're like, you know, what's the name of your horse?
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Speaker 2: Shimmer turns out Shimmer Swine, that's the lasting Shimmer has
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Speaker 2: made it through the season people. As this happens, we
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Speaker 2: also find out that Abby is missing from the Wolf
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Speaker 2: headquarters and Elisa's back, who had lost her son previously,
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Speaker 2: and he's very upset by this whole situation because that
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Speaker 2: whole little crew that happened to be the you know,
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Speaker 2: Joel Killing group crew are pretty much missing except for Manny,
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Speaker 2: and he doesn't give off about Manny's what he says
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Speaker 2: Isaac the leader, And then turns out he's trying to
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Speaker 2: bring Abby in to be a leader and they really
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Speaker 2: want her back all these things, and they're doing some
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Speaker 2: things about boats. I didn't catch this till later, like
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Speaker 2: boats and going out and doing things that we're like, okay,
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Speaker 2: So all that aside. We come back at the theater
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Speaker 2: and it turns out Jesse's like, we've got to go
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Speaker 2: find Tommy whatever whatnot. So he and Ellie have a
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Speaker 2: whole plan. They have Dina stayed behind. Obviously she can't
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Speaker 2: be limping about. So they go off to do their thing,
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Speaker 2: and here we find out that Jesse tricks pretty much
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Speaker 2: Ellie into telling him that yes, Gina's pregnant, He's got
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Speaker 2: a child, and he goes on and on about how
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Speaker 2: he will not die there. He needs to get his
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Speaker 2: kids back to Safety's people, back to the safety, how
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Speaker 2: he's the responsible one. We also find out that he
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Speaker 2: voted no about going to go after Joel's killers. So
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Speaker 2: many things. So all of that, they go out and
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Speaker 2: do their thing and trying to find Tommy at do.
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Speaker 2: While they go, they run into an area to the
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Speaker 2: bookstore to try to see they can find Tommy because
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Speaker 2: that's the rendezvous rendezvous place. Don't find Tommy, so they
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Speaker 2: go out to look even further, and we witness the wolves.
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Speaker 2: It's a torturing a serified boy, and Ellie has his
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Speaker 2: moment of trying to save him and which Jesse said,
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Speaker 2: this is not our war, it's a row.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: That happens, and then at the same time they hear
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Speaker 2: over the radio that there are sniper. There's a sniper.
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Speaker 2: There's a sniper going after the wolves. They assess that
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Speaker 2: this is Tommy and they need to go find Tommy.
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Speaker 2: But at the same time, Ellie looks off into the
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Speaker 2: distance and he's a well and a will. So the
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Speaker 2: affairs will from Seattle which we did ride, yes, as
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Speaker 2: well as the aquarium which you went to. But we
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Speaker 2: saw the well from Afar and she figured out that's
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Speaker 2: where Abby is and so she loses it. Ellie's like,
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Speaker 2: I gotta go, I gotta go get him, and Jesse's like, no,
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Speaker 2: we gotta go home, or do you do it? What
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Speaker 2: is wrong with you? And again he says this is
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Speaker 2: where he says, I vot didn't know. And so they
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Speaker 2: go back and forth about you know, who's better than who?
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Speaker 2: And no, no, no, no, no no, and why are you doing this?
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Speaker 2: And then finally Ellie goes her own way while he
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Speaker 2: goes to get Tommy. Ellie, we have all big water
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Speaker 2: scene heard going in the boats and as a person
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Speaker 2: who's never been on a boat, so I don't know
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Speaker 2: if I would figure out how to use a boat,
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Speaker 2: but hey, she apparently can. She's better than me. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: she gets to an island it turns out to be
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Speaker 2: the Seraphied Island, and there she is discovered by a
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Speaker 2: Seraphi kid who they drag her in and like she's like,
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Speaker 2: I'm not one of them, I'm not them, blah blah blah,
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Speaker 2: and the dude and the kid's like, no, gut her.
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Speaker 2: So they get ready to hang her, and then oh,
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Speaker 2: hear guns off in the distance, assuming that it's Isaac
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Speaker 2: and the wolves, you know, coming after the seraphits, They're like,
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Speaker 2: leave her. So she gets back in the boat, goes
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Speaker 2: back and instead of going by like oh, I almost died,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to go and be with my people, know,
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Speaker 2: she still keeps going to the area where she thinks
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Speaker 2: Abby is. Upon getting there, she does not find Abby,
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Speaker 2: but who she does find is Owen and mel who
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Speaker 2: was a part of the crew. They're fighting about finding
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Speaker 2: Abby and they're having this moment, and of course Ellie
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Speaker 2: comes with guns ablazing, being like, where's Abby. Tell me
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Speaker 2: where Abby is? Show me on this map, and if
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Speaker 2: I'm going to ask both of you and one of
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Speaker 2: you are lying, you're dead essentially if you don't find
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Speaker 2: point at the same place on the map. We remember
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Speaker 2: this line from season one, but also so Owen leaps
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Speaker 2: for a gun, Ellie shoots. Not only does she kill Owen,
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Speaker 2: but it slices the neck essentially of mel who fall
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Speaker 2: back and she starts rambling, and Ellie's trying to fare
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Speaker 2: was happening. You're trying to tell her, get her to
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Speaker 2: tell her what Abby is, and that's when they she
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Speaker 2: shows that she is pregnant all these things, so like
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Speaker 2: she's trying to kill her to cut out the baby.
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Speaker 2: Real heartrenching scene, and like as she's dying, thinking that
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Speaker 2: it was happening, even saying you're doing great job, keep going,
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Speaker 2: and then she dies, and this is when Tommy and
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Speaker 2: Jesse come back and find her and take her back,
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Speaker 2: and Tommy's like, it's fine, You're fine. You had to
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Speaker 2: do what you had to do. They killed they killed Joel.
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Speaker 2: You had to do what you had to do. Going
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Speaker 2: back as the first book, it did happen before all
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Speaker 2: of this, where Ellie goes back to see Dina because
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Speaker 2: that's all she's thinking about when she had returned and
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Speaker 2: from finding Nora there, she tells Dina everything, including the
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Speaker 2: fact that Nora told her where they were, which was
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Speaker 2: the Will and the Will, as well as the fact
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Speaker 2: that Joel had killed everyone, including Abby's father, and Dina
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Speaker 2: has a moment of like, oh God, you need to
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Speaker 2: go sit over there scene. But then right before Ellie
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Speaker 2: and Jesse leave, she gives her her bracelet to give
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Speaker 2: her a lucky charm and is obviously like, she's like,
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Speaker 2: you know, come back to me this, you know, all
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Speaker 2: these things. So that had happened previously. FII. Now we're
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Speaker 2: back with Jesse and Tommy bring Ellie back and they're
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Speaker 2: all talking, trying to get together. Jesse and Ellie have
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Speaker 2: a really sweet scene about how you know, yeah, I
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Speaker 2: can't be too mad because I know you would go
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Speaker 2: to the ends of the earth and you would set
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Speaker 2: the earth off fire for me to come get me
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Speaker 2: all these things, and then we hear bang bang ord Heir,
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Speaker 2: and so they run out the theater without even taking
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Speaker 2: any cautions, like, come on, you would at least look
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Speaker 2: out the door before you run out, but no, they
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Speaker 2: run out really fast, and Jesse gets immediately shot in
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Speaker 2: the face, and uh oh, there's Abby. Abby's here pointing
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Speaker 2: a gun who has shot Tommy in the leg, obviously,
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Speaker 2: and Tommy's like, go run get away whatever, And Ellie
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Speaker 2: comes out and Abby realizes who she was. She was
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Speaker 2: like you and this is where she screams, we let
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Speaker 2: you live and you wasted it, and Ellie's like, you're
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Speaker 2: trying to find me. I'm the one who did this.
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Speaker 2: I'm the one who killed your friends. Because she's like,
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Speaker 2: y'all he killed my friends. I was like, no, I
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Speaker 2: did all these things, back and forth, and then we
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Speaker 2: hear a bang in scene. All of a sudden, we
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Speaker 2: come back to this was day three, by the way,
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Speaker 2: it says Seattle day three, and then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 2: it says Seattle day one. And Abby comes out after
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Speaker 2: falling asleep reading a book, and you look over at
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Speaker 2: what is probably the I guess, the main wolf station,
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Speaker 2: and there's all these people there and Many's talking to her,
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Speaker 2: and that's how it ends yep in scene finale.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so this episode is called Convergence because it's got
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Speaker 1: a lot of pieces that are coming together, but also
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Speaker 1: because of the storm. The storm is actually a pretty
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Speaker 1: big piece of the plot. The reason the wolves are
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Speaker 1: going to attack the Seripied Island is because they're using
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Speaker 1: the storm as cover. So it was really cool because
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Speaker 1: when we watched the episode, it was actually swarming.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I started thundering.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And Peaches, Sweet Peaches math style does not like storms,
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Speaker 1: but she provided a lot of comfort for us on
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Speaker 1: the couch, which is unfortunately not so like evicted you
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Speaker 1: from your own couch. But she was like behind my
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Speaker 1: back at one point over on a friend of ours.
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Speaker 2: It was very cute she was laying on them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the storm is a big piece of this
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Speaker 1: whole thing, and I just kind of feel it's pretty iconic.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like the storm's coming, that's a
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Speaker 1: very clear foreboding thing. But when I think about this game,
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Speaker 1: like a lot of these scenes happen in this episode
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Speaker 1: are some of the most iconic to me. And then
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Speaker 1: when we go to the start, you're hearing Dina before
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Speaker 1: you see her, and it almost sounds like she's giving birth.
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Speaker 1: And I think they did that purposefully because it's foreshadowing
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Speaker 1: what's going to happen with mel but it's also kind
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Speaker 1: of a throwback to Ellie's mom and how Ellie was
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Speaker 1: born because we were not really sure what's happening. But
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Speaker 1: that's the sound she's making when Jesse's trying to get
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Speaker 1: this arrow out of her. And then you have Ellie
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Speaker 1: returned to the theater. This is also a scene that
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Speaker 1: really stands out to me, where Ellie goes to check
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Speaker 1: on Dean, and then Dina sees that Ellie's hurt and
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Speaker 1: asked her to take off her shirt, and Ellie's like
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Speaker 1: just beat up in her back, like it looks horrible
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Speaker 1: and she's bare, and I think it's sort of a
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Speaker 1: you know, like she's bearing her truth and her secrets
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Speaker 1: in this scene, and it's also sort of the like
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Speaker 1: damage on her body and her mind. But she We're
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Speaker 1: going to talk about this throughout Ellie's characterization in the
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Speaker 1: game versus the show is it's becoming increasingly different, not
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Speaker 1: in a way that has me mad in any any sense,
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Speaker 1: but this scene is one of the ones that's pretty different.
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Speaker 1: But that kind of Dina taking care of her and
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Speaker 1: her talking about Ellie talking about how easy it was
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Speaker 1: to Nora and expressing remorse over it and even questioning
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Speaker 1: her revenge because this is when she's like Dina says, oh,
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Speaker 1: did she deserve it? Maybe she deserved it, and Ellie's like,
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Speaker 1: maybe she did it, And she tells Dina the truth,
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Speaker 1: which at this point she has not told anybody. This
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Speaker 1: is the first time, and she never tells her in
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Speaker 1: the game, or if she does, we don't see it,
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Speaker 1: but her revealing what Joel did and Dina having this
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Speaker 1: moment of realization, we should not be here now that
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Speaker 1: I have the full context of this, this was a mistake.
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Speaker 1: And the actress who plays her is Bill Emer said
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Speaker 1: said she's kind of processing. She's having a moment similar
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Speaker 1: to how Ellie had that moment. Her relationship with Joel
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Speaker 1: is different than it is in the game as well,
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Speaker 1: as we've said that she's closer with Joel, but I
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Speaker 1: mean that does change things when you learn the depth
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Speaker 1: of what Joel did and what you're walking into. So
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Speaker 1: that's not in there. And Ellie is visibly traumatized in
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Speaker 1: the game, but she's not necessarily remorseful, but I feel
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Speaker 1: like she's remorseful in the show. Yeah, And I think
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Speaker 1: this is a difference that we're starting to see between
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Speaker 1: her and Joel, because Joel never really shows remorse. He's
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Speaker 1: only worried that he'll lose Ellie. He never says he's
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Speaker 1: sorry or anything like that. So, going back to Gail's
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Speaker 1: line of whatever path Ellie is on, it's her own,
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Speaker 1: it's not Joel's. I think we're going to start to
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Speaker 1: see more and more instances of that. And one of
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Speaker 1: the reasons it was so easy for Joel to kill
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Speaker 1: people outside his community. Is that he doesn't. It's just
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Speaker 1: only the people in this little circle that he cares about,
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Speaker 1: and anyone else doesn't matter to him. That's fine. He
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Speaker 1: doesn't feel any guilt about it. He was doing what
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Speaker 1: he had to do. But anyway, so we have this
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Speaker 1: relevation and Dina is like, we need to go home.
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Speaker 1: This is this is and she's I mean, she's got
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Speaker 1: a wounded leg, she's pregnant, Like, there's a lot of
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Speaker 1: reasons why Ellie has clearly had all of this pain
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Speaker 1: inflicted on her, like, and I think Dina's honestly worried
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Speaker 1: about her mental state. I think she's like, oh, I
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Speaker 1: think I might lose you to this. And so she
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Speaker 1: kind of lays down and cries, turns her back to
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Speaker 1: Ellie and cries, and Ellie's sort of like she nods,
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Speaker 1: but then we see that she's not quite on board
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Speaker 1: throughout the episode. But the next day, it is Seattle
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Speaker 1: day three. As we said, this is how the game
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Speaker 1: is set up. It'll have the text at the bottom
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Speaker 1: and it tells you this. It's kind of like the
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Speaker 1: Ring in that way. So Ellie and Jesse are packing up.
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Speaker 1: Dina comes and gives Dina her bracelet that she's been
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Speaker 1: wearing the entire season, by the way, and it's like,
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Speaker 1: this is for good luck to prevent you from harm,
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Speaker 1: and Ellie kind of teases her and she's like, it
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Speaker 1: doesn't look like it's done you that well, and Dina says,
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Speaker 1: it's kept me alive. And then Ellie and Jesse go
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Speaker 1: to meet Tommy at this rendezvous point and this is
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Speaker 1: in the game. This is where you get a lot
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Speaker 1: of interaction between Ellie and Jesse and you kind of
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Speaker 1: build their relationship. You learn more about how they see
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Speaker 1: each other. But it's also one of those missible things.
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Speaker 1: So many things in this game are missible, but if
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Speaker 1: you just like talk to him, you can really learn
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Speaker 1: a lot. But you don't have to enter these conversations.
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Speaker 1: A lot of them are voluntary, which I think some
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Speaker 1: people don't particularly care. And that's fine. So I, you know,
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Speaker 1: I get it, but I liked, I want to know everything,
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Speaker 1: like tell me, tell me all about it. But so
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Speaker 1: we kind of get that section here where Ellie and
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Speaker 1: Jesse have all of these moments, including the revelation that yeah,
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Speaker 1: Jesse realizes Tina's pregnant, and now he is thinking about
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Speaker 1: being a father and how he needs to survive. And
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Speaker 1: he has like a line later that I always loved
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Speaker 1: where he says Ellie kind of makes fun of him
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Speaker 1: for being a sap, and then he says, well, my
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Speaker 1: friends can't get out of their own damn way, And
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Speaker 1: I've always liked that because they do obviously care about
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Speaker 1: each other, even though they like they shafe against each
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Speaker 1: other and argue with each other and all of that.
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Speaker 1: But then you get to the bookstore, and this is
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Speaker 1: a beautiful scene in the game. I love this, and
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Speaker 1: it was great in the show as well. And there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of fun Easter eggs in here, including there's
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Speaker 1: like a stuffed giraffe on the couch where Ellie's sitting,
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Speaker 1: which is a throwback too, a very scene scene, innocent
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Speaker 1: scene in the first season. But you also have so
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Speaker 1: that this is where they're trying to meet up with Tommy,
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Speaker 1: so they're just waiting out the storm. You also have
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Speaker 1: Ellie go through these books, Edie's children's books, and she
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Speaker 1: picks up the monster at the end of this book,
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Speaker 1: which is a Sesame Street book, and in it it's Grover,
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Speaker 1: who's telling the reader like, stop reading. There's a monster
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Speaker 1: at the end of this book. Please stop, please turn back,
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Speaker 1: like please, don't do this, And then you get to
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Speaker 1: the end and there's no monster at the end of
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Speaker 1: the book.
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Speaker 2: Grover's the monster.
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Speaker 1: He's just like, no, there's no monsters, just men. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: But I think like the point being because I read
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Speaker 1: it in preparation, but the point was more like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: there's not really a monster there because it's Grover's the monster,
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Speaker 1: then he's not really a monster.
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Speaker 2: Just because I called a monster doesn't mean they're bad, right,
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Speaker 2: It doesn't need to be scared.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, exactly, which very I'm sure it's very fitting
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Speaker 1: for how this goes because Ellie's kind of chosen this
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Speaker 1: journey to get revenge. There's nobody telling her she has
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Speaker 1: to do it, and we're all like, stop, don't turn
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Speaker 1: the next babe, It'll do the next thing. And when
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Speaker 1: you get to the end, who guess what. There's also
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Speaker 1: in the background there's an Alice in Wonderland kind of mural,
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Speaker 1: but there's also like statue mushrooms, and in the game,
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Speaker 1: Ellie and Jesse have a conversation where they're like people
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Speaker 1: used to think this was okay, Like this is not cool,
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Speaker 1: So I like that that was in the background. And
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Speaker 1: then also you can see on top of it, everything
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Speaker 1: has a moral if only you can find it, which
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Speaker 1: at first I thought was a mushroom pun which it
20:43
Speaker 1: could be. But the point I think they're making is
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Speaker 1: that a lot of things in this story are justified violence.
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Speaker 1: So you can find the moral. You can tell yourself.
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Speaker 1: Will they did this to Joel, so I'm justified doing this?
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Speaker 1: But everyone everyone has a version of that, and that's
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Speaker 1: how people have become so brutal and justified it to
21:10
Speaker 1: themselves as they have found this moral. So then we
21:17
Speaker 1: get to them hearing that there is a sniper. They
21:21
Speaker 1: both guess that it's Tommy. They run out, they try
21:25
Speaker 1: to get to higher ground so they can maybe see
21:28
Speaker 1: where he is, and that's when Ellie sees the ferris
21:34
Speaker 1: wheel and then the aquarium with the wheel and the whale,
21:38
Speaker 1: and she's like, Ah, that's the way I need to
21:39
Speaker 1: get a boat, and Jesse's like, what, we need to
21:42
Speaker 1: go that way. That's where Tommy is. And they get
21:45
Speaker 1: to this big fight about community, and I skipped over
21:49
Speaker 1: the part where they got into a fight about saving
21:53
Speaker 1: the seraphite boy who was being tortured by the guy
21:57
Speaker 1: that Isaac saved kind of the for not being fascist,
22:02
Speaker 1: but has now become essentially the new Josh Peck character.
22:09
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's interesting because you have Jesse saying things like,
22:15
Speaker 1: I put other people first because I was raised in
22:20
Speaker 1: Jackson and that's they took care of me. I voted
22:24
Speaker 1: no because you only think about yourself, which I'm sure
22:28
Speaker 1: burned because she yelled at Joel the same kind of
22:32
Speaker 1: thing about him being selfish, and she kind of has
22:39
Speaker 1: this breaking point where she says, your community because it's
22:43
Speaker 1: essentially it divides us versus them. You're you let this
22:48
Speaker 1: kid die today because they're not in your community. And
22:51
Speaker 1: that kind of goes back to Joel's whole thing where
22:54
Speaker 1: he's in the first episode didn't want to let more
22:57
Speaker 1: refugees in because it's outside of his circle. And that's
23:02
Speaker 1: going to be a big that's going to be a
23:05
Speaker 1: big theme next season. So but yeah, they have this
23:09
Speaker 1: big fight and then Jesse says, I hope you make it,
23:12
Speaker 1: and he goes after Tommy and she goes after Abby
23:17
Speaker 1: and she chooses this. This is the second time we've
23:20
Speaker 1: seen it where Ellie chooses this revenge over saving somebody
23:26
Speaker 1: in her life or even just looking back, like she's
23:30
Speaker 1: stuck in the past instead of thinking about the future.
23:34
Speaker 1: And so she she takes the boat. She takes this
23:41
Speaker 1: boat out and she gets stuck on the serap Fhight
23:46
Speaker 1: Island for a minute. This kid turns her in. She's like, no,
23:49
Speaker 1: I'm not one of you, kind of using this community fight.
23:54
Speaker 1: What she did call out is she knows it's hyper critical,
23:59
Speaker 1: but she's saying, like, you hypocritical too. But anyways, they
24:04
Speaker 1: are going to hang her, and this alarm goes off
24:07
Speaker 1: and they leave her to go see what the alarm
24:10
Speaker 1: is going on with that, and she gets back in
24:14
Speaker 1: the boat, gets to the aquarium and this is when
24:18
Speaker 1: she has her confrontation with Owen and Mel. And Owen
24:24
Speaker 1: and Mel are having this fight about Abby, and when
24:29
Speaker 1: Owen pulls a gun on Ellie, she shoots him kind
24:32
Speaker 1: of on reaction, but then kills Mel as collateral damage,
24:40
Speaker 1: and she's kind of collateral damage for both Ellie and
24:42
Speaker 1: Abby at this point. But it's also really sad because
24:47
Speaker 1: this is a loss of knowledge because Ellie, as Mel's
24:50
Speaker 1: trying to coax her through doing this emergency c section.
24:55
Speaker 1: Ellie doesn't know how to do it, and Mel did.
24:58
Speaker 1: And now Mel's gone. And Nora was also in the
25:03
Speaker 1: medical field and now she's gone. Abby's dad was in
25:06
Speaker 1: the medical field and now he's gone. And we talked
25:09
Speaker 1: about this with Gail in the book she was reading
25:11
Speaker 1: in the last episode about set the last person in
25:15
Speaker 1: who had to read, and then he was gone. So
25:17
Speaker 1: we're seeing a lot of this, like loss of knowledge.
25:21
Speaker 1: It's also pretty symbolic. I think that she has her
25:24
Speaker 1: mom's knife and that's how she's trying to save this baby.
25:30
Speaker 1: And this is when as Mel dies, it's horrible, so sad.
25:36
Speaker 1: This is when Ellie realizes how far she's fallen and
25:40
Speaker 1: the gravity of her actions in the game, she kind
25:44
Speaker 1: of freezes. She has more of a freeze reaction, but
25:48
Speaker 1: in here she's really like, oh no, I mean, we're
25:53
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, we're meant to assume she's thinking of Dina
25:57
Speaker 1: and like, oh, this is what could have happened. And
26:02
Speaker 1: she didn't. I mean, she didn't mean to kill me,
26:05
Speaker 1: but she did, and she killed she killed a baby.
26:10
Speaker 1: And this is also one of the parts in the
26:12
Speaker 1: game that always gets me is because as the player,
26:15
Speaker 1: you're like, I remember you remember playing her when she
26:20
Speaker 1: was like a kid and she had all this, when
26:23
Speaker 1: her life wasn't this and now you see her and
26:27
Speaker 1: you're like, oh wow, this world has really really devastated
26:33
Speaker 1: you and this is how you are. And this I
26:38
Speaker 1: also thought this was interesting that Bella Ramsey said, you know,
26:43
Speaker 1: in the last episode, Joel's dad had said I hope
26:47
Speaker 1: you do better than me, and then Joel said that
26:49
Speaker 1: to Ellie and then Bella Ramsey said, no, Ellie did worse.
26:54
Speaker 1: So I don't know it's comp located because I don't
27:01
Speaker 1: want to come. I don't want to spoil things. But
27:04
Speaker 1: she does feel she does feel as she should, pretty
27:11
Speaker 1: bad about this, and this is when your question like
27:14
Speaker 1: can she come back from it? As she'd gone too far?
27:17
Speaker 1: Is this going to change her? She's going to keep
27:19
Speaker 1: doing the same old things. And she did go out
27:23
Speaker 1: of her way to make sure she had Joel's gun
27:26
Speaker 1: and make sure she had the bullets for Joel's gun,
27:28
Speaker 1: like she was really going for this. So that's they
27:32
Speaker 1: died by that gun. And you know when you hear
27:36
Speaker 1: when Tommy finds her, Tommy and Jesse and later he's
27:40
Speaker 1: trying to comfort her, and he says, like they made
27:42
Speaker 1: their choices, which they did, but they also didn't want
27:47
Speaker 1: to go. We saw that in the first episode that
27:50
Speaker 1: they wanted to convince Abby to turn back, and now
27:54
Speaker 1: we've got Ellie's people who didn't want to go and
27:59
Speaker 1: they can for Ellie. So it's another parallel, which does
28:06
Speaker 1: bring us to a said very sad moment because Ellie
28:10
Speaker 1: and Jesse kind of makeup and Jesse implies like, yeah,
28:17
Speaker 1: I understand you would You're would come for me, and
28:21
Speaker 1: she says, oh, yes, I would, and that sort of
28:23
Speaker 1: confirms like their family or their community or this whatever
28:27
Speaker 1: it is. And then they hear all these sounds and
28:31
Speaker 1: they run out and then Jesse's just shot dead. Immediately
28:37
Speaker 1: Ellie dives to the side and we get Abby, who's
28:42
Speaker 1: threatening Tommy, and Ellie gives herself up because at this moment,
28:48
Speaker 1: I think she realizes this I have what have I wrought?
28:55
Speaker 1: And Ellie and Abby have a moment where they're just
28:59
Speaker 1: kind of looking at each other and Abby is like, oh,
29:02
Speaker 1: it's you and this is all after Ellie says I'm
29:09
Speaker 1: not like you to Owen and mel But I think
29:13
Speaker 1: in this moment she realized like, no, I think maybe
29:17
Speaker 1: I am. But you know, whether Ellie just can't let
29:22
Speaker 1: it go. She can't let it go. I'm saying that dismissively,
29:26
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, like, that's kind of her whole
29:28
Speaker 1: thing is, she just can't move on, she can't let
29:32
Speaker 1: it go. That does bring us to Abby, Abby, Abby,
29:48
Speaker 1: which I realize, like the Ferris Wheel, I'm so glad
29:52
Speaker 1: they put it in there in the game. That's your
29:54
Speaker 1: kind of like your north star to where Abby is
29:57
Speaker 1: because it's next to the aquarium. But there were so
30:01
Speaker 1: many mentions of like breaking the wheel in the interviews
30:05
Speaker 1: of The Wheel of Revenge, and I was like, Okay,
30:08
Speaker 1: I see, I didn't think of that. But yeah, we
30:15
Speaker 1: do have a scene where we hear Isaac talking about
30:19
Speaker 1: Abby and saying she's a leader, also calling everybody else
30:24
Speaker 1: almost like a sheep that has no mind for themselves,
30:29
Speaker 1: a sheep in wolf's clothing. But he's saying like, we
30:34
Speaker 1: need a leader to leave the wolves after I'm gone,
30:38
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, I'm going to die. You probably will.
30:42
Speaker 1: He's talking to Alize at this point too, You're probably
30:45
Speaker 1: gonna die too, So we need a leader. It was
30:47
Speaker 1: supposed to be her. It's just kind of like how
30:49
Speaker 1: Jesse is supposed to be the leader of Jackson and
30:53
Speaker 1: now he's gone and we don't know. He doesn't know
30:58
Speaker 1: where Abby is, and he says, you know, the whole team,
31:03
Speaker 1: they're called the Salt Lake City Crew or the Salt
31:05
Speaker 1: Lake Crew. The whole team has been missing pretty much
31:10
Speaker 1: except for Manny. Except for Manny. This is so interesting
31:17
Speaker 1: because I actually don't, like I said, I don't know
31:19
Speaker 1: what the show will do in the game except for Manny.
31:25
Speaker 1: And now knowing the day one reset, I will tell
31:31
Speaker 1: you that Ellie and Abby have been orbiting each other
31:34
Speaker 1: this entire time. It's kind of like pieces of a
31:39
Speaker 1: puzzle that I love. But if you notice, I didn't
31:43
Speaker 1: notice the first time I watched it, Abby has bruises
31:45
Speaker 1: around her throat, indicating she too was almost hung by
31:53
Speaker 1: the Seraphytes. But yeah, the wl F I recommend to
32:03
Speaker 1: rewatch as always. The WLF is the outfit that at
32:06
Speaker 1: the first episode that Owen mentions where he's like, it's
32:10
Speaker 1: run by Isaac and the remaining fireflights went there. So
32:13
Speaker 1: they've been there for a minute and they have risen
32:17
Speaker 1: up the ranks. But this does bring me to my
32:20
Speaker 1: iconic Abby line, which is we let you live and
32:23
Speaker 1: you wasted it. That's what we have on some glasses,
32:28
Speaker 1: who so good and her having that whole you know,
32:33
Speaker 1: you killed my friends full circle moment, and Ellie trying
32:39
Speaker 1: to be like, yeah, it was me, don't kill my friends.
32:42
Speaker 1: But they're not seeing that. They're the same They're doing
32:45
Speaker 1: the same thing. And then you get the cut to
32:51
Speaker 1: black and the flashback, which I'm going to talk about
32:54
Speaker 1: in a second, but I cannot tell you how shocking
32:57
Speaker 1: this was the first time I played the game. Oh
32:59
Speaker 1: my god. Oh. We also have more parallels. You've got
33:05
Speaker 1: the Dina and mel bothing pregnant thing. You kind of
33:09
Speaker 1: have Ellen and Jesse, which we'll get into more in
33:14
Speaker 1: season three. There's three beds in the aquarium, by the way,
33:18
Speaker 1: just to point that out. You've got the science museum
33:21
Speaker 1: that Ellie loves and the aquarium that Abbey loves. It's
33:25
Speaker 1: very important to Abby and it's such a pain to
33:32
Speaker 1: get there in the game. It's such a pain. And
33:35
Speaker 1: it's a great build up too, because you think you're
33:37
Speaker 1: going to have to have this confrontation finally, and you
33:40
Speaker 1: had to fight so hard to get there and nope,
33:43
Speaker 1: just more trauma for you move on. You also have
33:48
Speaker 1: both Abby and Ellie having a solo journey that they
33:51
Speaker 1: have to do because people were not the people in
33:54
Speaker 1: their group were like, no, I'm not doing this anymore,
33:57
Speaker 1: and then weather ruining them. So for Abby was the
34:00
Speaker 1: appalanche and for Ellie the storm. You also have Abby's
34:07
Speaker 1: choice to save Ellie and seeing that a couple of
34:10
Speaker 1: characters of selflessness leading to death. She also Spardina too,
34:15
Speaker 1: and that's when you first see that Mel is a medic.
34:20
Speaker 1: As I pointed out in our reaction to the first episode,
34:22
Speaker 1: she is wearing a watch. Abby is similar to Joel
34:27
Speaker 1: and just this whole idea has been big this season
34:30
Speaker 1: of cycles, getting stuck in cycles, justifying things, being very hypocritical,
34:38
Speaker 1: and so Ellie's whole thing of like you think I'm
34:40
Speaker 1: good and you're good and I'm bad. Like that's going
34:43
Speaker 1: to play out more now that if we're moving into
34:46
Speaker 1: Abby's territory. But also that's kind of a piece of
34:51
Speaker 1: the seraphytes in the WLF conflict that we'll see And yeah,
34:58
Speaker 1: like there are things that I'm very interested how they
35:03
Speaker 1: play out on the show. But there are things where
35:06
Speaker 1: the wl LF attack on the island saved Ellie. Like
35:10
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of little pieces of what is going
35:14
Speaker 1: on in Abby's story that influence Ellie's story, And it's
35:19
Speaker 1: really fun when you get the whole thing and you're like, oh, okay,
35:22
Speaker 1: I see some game differences to run through Shimmer, I'm
35:29
Speaker 1: just gonna tell you Shimmer died in the game.
35:32
Speaker 2: I'm really glad they didn't kill Shimmer.
35:34
Speaker 1: They did not kill Shimmer. I was waiting for it,
35:37
Speaker 1: I know. So they talked about this in the like
35:42
Speaker 1: post interviews of the episode, but Ellie doesn't go to
35:47
Speaker 1: the serified island. The kind of the different versions of
35:52
Speaker 1: the prophet that Ellie mentions that's not in the game.
35:56
Speaker 1: But I think that's really interesting because it's implying that
35:58
Speaker 1: she's been around so long no one really remembers or
36:00
Speaker 1: knows what she looks like, and in the way that
36:05
Speaker 1: religion often does is that it's sort of up for
36:08
Speaker 1: interpretation or whoever is making the art. Tommy, We've been
36:14
Speaker 1: saying this whole time. Tommy had a completely different story,
36:17
Speaker 1: but he in the end he did. That's how he
36:20
Speaker 1: ends up is with Ellie pretty much line for line
36:25
Speaker 1: that whole scene why Jesse came. So Jesse's actually more
36:30
Speaker 1: reckless in the game than he is in the show
36:31
Speaker 1: because he comes by himself, but in here he was
36:36
Speaker 1: very much like made plan, came with Tommy, this is
36:39
Speaker 1: why I'm here, and they have the whole explanation of
36:42
Speaker 1: how he found them, how Mel dies. So when this
36:48
Speaker 1: confrontation happens Ellie, it's similar with Owen because he tries
36:55
Speaker 1: to shoot her first, and so Ellie kind of acts
37:00
Speaker 1: and shoots him. But then Mel comes from the side
37:03
Speaker 1: and tries to stab her, and Ellie grabs her wrists
37:08
Speaker 1: and stabs her with her own knife and she dies
37:11
Speaker 1: there and Owen is still alive and he's like his
37:15
Speaker 1: last words are like, she's pregnant, And that's when Ellie
37:18
Speaker 1: realizes she's pregnant, and she just goes into complete she
37:22
Speaker 1: freezes completely. And this is one of the big differences
37:28
Speaker 1: in the game. Ellie doesn't actually know the full truth
37:32
Speaker 1: of why Abby killed Joel in the game. In the show,
37:35
Speaker 1: she does. In the game, she's just like, you're a firefly,
37:40
Speaker 1: but she doesn't know kind of the father connection, so
37:44
Speaker 1: that that's a difference. Obviously, As I said, Dina didn't
37:47
Speaker 1: know any of this, so that's a difference. I also
37:49
Speaker 1: think that's another way that Ellie's different than Joel is
37:52
Speaker 1: that she did tell Dina like you should probably know this,
37:57
Speaker 1: but okay, I just have to talk about this because
38:00
Speaker 1: it was so shocking the first time I played it.
38:02
Speaker 1: I'm sure some of you are a little shocked. But
38:06
Speaker 1: when you get to this scene, you've been trying to
38:09
Speaker 1: find Abby this whole time, it's just like build up,
38:12
Speaker 1: build up, build up, and we let you live. Then
38:16
Speaker 1: you wasted it and it cuts to black. Okay, In
38:21
Speaker 1: the game, it goes to a flashback as Abby as
38:25
Speaker 1: a child and you see her with her dad, and
38:28
Speaker 1: this is kind of us being like, oh no, so
38:32
Speaker 1: Joel killed her dad because we didn't know it. We
38:36
Speaker 1: didn't know it as the player yet as opposed to
38:40
Speaker 1: the show. But I was playing it and I'm still mad,
38:43
Speaker 1: and I'm all like, this horrible thing, all these traumatic
38:46
Speaker 1: things have just happened, and I'm like, I know I'm
38:48
Speaker 1: going to have to fight Abby. So I think it's
38:52
Speaker 1: going to be a short flashback to be like, Okay,
38:55
Speaker 1: I see this is why Abby is the way she
38:59
Speaker 1: is and then it cuts to black again and it
39:03
Speaker 1: says Seattle day would and I freaked out. I was like,
39:08
Speaker 1: no way, no way, They're not gonna make me play
39:14
Speaker 1: this whole thing guys. Abby. Yep, they make you play
39:18
Speaker 1: the whole thing as Abby. And it's a very I've
39:22
Speaker 1: talked about it in previous episodes. It is a shocking
39:26
Speaker 1: creative choice, but wow, the like empathy of can you
39:34
Speaker 1: now you get her side of it? Can you be
39:37
Speaker 1: empathetic toward it? And also it like digs a knife
39:42
Speaker 1: in more because you start in that stadium which is
39:46
Speaker 1: in Seattle, and there's a dog that you know you
39:52
Speaker 1: killed as Ellie. That Abby is like petty, it's her dog.
39:58
Speaker 1: They didn't kill the dog, so the dog would have
40:01
Speaker 1: died at the aquarium, but it was such a moment
40:06
Speaker 1: of oh, no, I have to examine my actions. So
40:15
Speaker 1: it makes you do it kind of as the player,
40:18
Speaker 1: and I'm going to say as the viewer, I don't
40:20
Speaker 1: think it would be quite the same, but oh that
40:24
Speaker 1: when that dog showed up. And then there's like another
40:27
Speaker 1: part where you see all these bodies and they're like, oh,
40:29
Speaker 1: it was the trespasser that killed them. And you're like,
40:33
Speaker 1: oh no, that was me, but okay. The book that
40:42
Speaker 1: Abby's reading when she wakes up is a major influence
40:45
Speaker 1: for the Last of Us, and it's pretty much Joel
40:48
Speaker 1: and Ellie's relationships. It's about like two characters and Apocalypse
40:52
Speaker 1: that don't like each other and they have to fight
40:54
Speaker 1: like campbells and stuff, but then at the end they
40:57
Speaker 1: of course become really close. Abby hasn't finished the book yet.
41:02
Speaker 1: This is also where we get our first, our biggest
41:06
Speaker 1: look at how big the WLF is. And you do
41:10
Speaker 1: hear from now on, you're gonna hear a lot more
41:16
Speaker 1: about when we heard them talking about Tommy beating the
41:19
Speaker 1: sniper as a trespasser. Since you've already played Ellie's part,
41:25
Speaker 1: now you're gonna hear it and know who they're talking
41:27
Speaker 1: about largely, which is a cool It's upsetting, but it's
41:31
Speaker 1: like a cool, Oh I remember when I did that.
41:38
Speaker 1: But the song that ends on as a sound Garden
41:41
Speaker 1: song the Burden in My Hand, which is a band
41:45
Speaker 1: from Seattle, and it's about not finding any resolution. One
41:51
Speaker 1: of the lines is I lost my head again, Would
41:53
Speaker 1: you cry for me? And it's like falling into the
41:56
Speaker 1: same cycles over and over, and so even this setup
41:59
Speaker 1: of like now we're back at day one, that's a cycle,
42:04
Speaker 1: and it kind of reminds me of the whole Moth
42:06
Speaker 1: and Light motif of like Ellie always looking for this
42:11
Speaker 1: and trying to find meaning or purpose or what have you,
42:14
Speaker 1: and not being able to find it, and in fact
42:17
Speaker 1: being kind of angry and confused about how it seems
42:21
Speaker 1: to her. No one else understands how hypocritical they're being,
42:25
Speaker 1: But there is no resolution for Ellie at this point.
42:27
Speaker 1: There is no resolution for us at this point because
42:31
Speaker 1: we were waiting for this whole conversation. We don't get it.
42:35
Speaker 1: As I said, they've called this their Empire strikes Back season,
42:38
Speaker 1: so the Empire strikes Back doesn't in a pretty low place.
42:44
Speaker 1: But because you know how a return of the Jedi is,
42:46
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, that's fine, but yes, we are going
42:51
Speaker 1: to see Abby's POV next season and we're going to
42:58
Speaker 1: go through the days from her, and it's really cool,
43:01
Speaker 1: like the ways they were so close to each other
43:05
Speaker 1: so many times, really really cool. So this brings me
43:09
Speaker 1: to my list of random things and if you don't
43:13
Speaker 1: want any like hints at what might happen I'm just
43:16
Speaker 1: asking questions that you can think about. I'm not spoiling,
43:19
Speaker 1: but if you don't even want that, this is where
43:20
Speaker 1: you should click out. Okay, one is this is a
43:24
Speaker 1: stupid one. But why does everyone have the same flannel shirt.
43:27
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out if I should be picking
43:29
Speaker 1: up any meaning from that. But Ellie, Joel, and Jesse
43:33
Speaker 1: all I have the same blue Fanel shirt. I thought
43:38
Speaker 1: it was making it up, but I've seen it enough
43:41
Speaker 1: that I know. If you want to go back to
43:47
Speaker 1: the last episode of season one, you can see someone
43:50
Speaker 1: who looks like Abby running in the hospital. I'm pretty
43:53
Speaker 1: sure that they're never going to say that was her,
43:55
Speaker 1: but they were clearly trying to be like, we know
43:57
Speaker 1: Abby exists and is here, and we talked about it
44:01
Speaker 1: in our reaction to that episode. But if now that
44:05
Speaker 1: you've seen Abby and you want to go back, it's
44:09
Speaker 1: very brief, but you can see her running by when
44:11
Speaker 1: Joel is going on his rampage. And now that we
44:17
Speaker 1: are going to start Abby's POV and we are going
44:20
Speaker 1: to learn the answers to some questions that I'm sure
44:23
Speaker 1: at least some of you have. One what did the
44:27
Speaker 1: Salt Lake crew say, when Ellie's ears were ringing, because
44:31
Speaker 1: all of them said, if we let you live some
44:35
Speaker 1: version of that. Every one of them said it what
44:38
Speaker 1: was happening with the village when the alarm went off?
44:43
Speaker 1: And you know, when you go back to Abby's point
44:47
Speaker 1: of view on day one, Manny says, Isaac's waiting for us,
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Speaker 1: So clearly like they're preparing for this assault. Why was
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Speaker 1: Abby missing when she knew at that point looked like
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Speaker 1: she was on board and planning on showing up the bandages?
45:04
Speaker 1: So in the aquarium there's a bunch of bloody bandages,
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Speaker 1: which when you see them, when Ellie sees them, she
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Speaker 1: immediately assumes the worst about wl phone, like what they've done.
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Speaker 1: And so this is another reason I can kill them
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Speaker 1: and not feel bad. So what's going on there? How
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Speaker 1: did Abby even find them? Anyway? Which, believe me, I
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Speaker 1: was asking when I was how did she even get in?
45:35
Speaker 1: Where's Dana? What we're owing and Mel fighting about? Why
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Speaker 1: is Mel Matt at Abby? What was going on with
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Speaker 1: Tommy and the sniper at the marina? Uh? And I
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Speaker 1: think it's worth noting that Abby says he killed my friend,
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Speaker 1: so she is she thinks it's him the bridges. So
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Speaker 1: there are some bridges you can see in the skyline,
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Speaker 1: and I think that's going to be one of the
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Speaker 1: scariest parts of the game. People who are afraid of heights,
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Speaker 1: they always tell me that part is like the scariest
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Speaker 1: part to them. Obviously the gunshot we hear before we
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Speaker 1: switch to Abbey's POV. What happened there? The rat King
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Speaker 1: who I've been talking about over and over you have
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Speaker 1: and now we'll learn hopefully, Oh, I think so. And
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Speaker 1: then kind of like on a deeper level we talked
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Speaker 1: about before, this is a lot of questions in this show,
46:37
Speaker 1: game or like who won't inherit the earth when it's
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Speaker 1: like this, and we have a lot of instances of
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Speaker 1: Children of War, of these vengeance cycles of people trying
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Speaker 1: not to be trying to make something better or make
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Speaker 1: something for the future and then being punished for it.
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Speaker 1: Will they break the cycle? Who will? If anybody? There
47:06
Speaker 1: have been instances a few instances of Ellie trying to
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Speaker 1: break free already, I think from just based on like
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Speaker 1: at least from the cycle that Joel might have set
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Speaker 1: her on by telling Dina this thing, by feeling the
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Speaker 1: truth and by feeling remorse about what she's done. Now
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Speaker 1: does it stay or does she get stuck in it again? Okay,
47:30
Speaker 1: those are some things to think about as we wait.
47:35
Speaker 1: A shout out to the creators, because that's a lot
47:38
Speaker 1: to keep in mind of, kind of having two storylines
47:42
Speaker 1: that you're telling at the same time, but you have
47:44
Speaker 1: to film separately and write separately. But yeah, I know
47:48
Speaker 1: a lot of you probably angry, and I'm telling you
47:51
Speaker 1: I was too, I remember, but I promise you it's
47:55
Speaker 1: worth it and it's so fun. We have the complete story.
48:02
Speaker 1: It's a rewarding, complete story. Like there are literally things
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Speaker 1: you see in the background and be like, oh happy
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Speaker 1: that was Abby or oh yeah, Ellie kills all of them.
48:12
Speaker 1: So if you go back to the first episode where
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Speaker 1: you see the Salt Light crew, you're like, oh, yep,
48:21
Speaker 1: sorry about that, my bad. But yeah, thanks so much
48:28
Speaker 1: listeners and Samantha for coming along this journey with me.
48:33
Speaker 1: I've had a good time. I hope you have as well,
48:35
Speaker 1: even if you don't play or watch, which I'm sure
48:39
Speaker 1: this must be wild for you listening to this commitment.
48:43
Speaker 1: If he's not watched, yes, thank you, thank you, thank you,
48:47
Speaker 1: and won't be back one day for season three and
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Speaker 1: Abby Happy Abby.
48:54
Speaker 2: I mean I think we need to be back to
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Speaker 2: do a recap of everything everything.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, after I've watched, like done my whole.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like you need to watch first season
49:05
Speaker 2: and the second season and bring it in together, and
49:07
Speaker 2: then we'll come back and as a review of like
49:10
Speaker 2: what has happened in your after thoughts. I guess what
49:14
Speaker 2: needs to happen.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I would love to do it. You
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Speaker 1: know I would love to do it because I told
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Speaker 1: Samantha I did have to cut out. I know these
49:22
Speaker 1: are long, but I cut out stuff from them because
49:26
Speaker 1: I just want to talk about every all of it.
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Speaker 2: I think, well, I think we're going to return, Yes, okay,
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Speaker 2: I think we have one more. We have one more lessons.
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Speaker 1: That feels like at the end of I was wondering
49:36
Speaker 1: if they were going to do something like you know
49:38
Speaker 1: how the marvels like Marvel like Horribile return and I thought,
49:44
Speaker 1: I was like, well they do that for last time.
49:46
Speaker 1: It was just to be like it will come back.
49:50
Speaker 2: Seems still kitching now because it's such a marvel thing.
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Speaker 1: Well, anyway, Samantha and any will be back, Yes, we
49:56
Speaker 1: will with one Yes, all right. But in the meantime,
50:01
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