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Opposition Leader Lia Finocchiaro believes health professionals should be able to refer people to the banned drinker register · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio right now is the opposition
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  Speaker 1: leader Leah Finocchiaro, and a big happy birthday to you.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: It's very exciting getting out to happy birthdays this morning.
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  Speaker 3: I feel very special and very happy to.
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  Speaker 4: Have a cupcake that's come in as well.
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  Speaker 3: We just thought I better You're always, you know, happy
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  Speaker 3: to have me on, so I thought i'd better, you know,
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  Speaker 3: make sure my spots stays by bribing you with some cake.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, always take a cupcake, no doubt about that.
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  Speaker 1: But a big happy birthday to you, Lea, and we
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  Speaker 1: appreciate you still coming in obviously.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you. Now, look, last night, we know.
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  Speaker 1: People around the world stood still as we bid farewell
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  Speaker 1: to the queen. It was indeed an historic moment. Hundreds
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  Speaker 1: of thousands of people lined the streets to pay their
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  Speaker 1: respect to the longest serving monarch in history.
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  Speaker 4: Lea, did you watch that service? I did.
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  Speaker 3: I did, and it was just I was gripping, even
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  Speaker 3: though it was you know, a church service obviously a funeral.
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  Speaker 3: I think people just around the world just completely stopped,
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  Speaker 3: and you know it was just amazing, you know, good
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  Speaker 3: on her for such an amazing innings. You know, really
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  Speaker 3: just what a way to go with the absolute admiration
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  Speaker 3: of the world. You know. I just think she can
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  Speaker 3: rest peacefully now and hopefully she's back with Philip and
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  Speaker 3: they can spend some private time together.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And look, I think no matter whether you're a
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  Speaker 1: royalist or not, the fact that she has served, you know,
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  Speaker 1: served for such an incredibly long period of time and
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  Speaker 1: obviously stepped into that role as such a young woman is.
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  Speaker 3: Admirable, absolutely, absolutely, you know, and in many ways it's
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  Speaker 3: you know, you wouldn't wish it upon your enemy to
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  Speaker 3: be the king of the Queen. It is such an enormous,
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  Speaker 3: enormous undertaking, and she just took it on with absolute
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  Speaker 3: grace and dignity, and it's just the thing she's seen
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  Speaker 3: in her lifetime alone, had to reign over is pretty amazing.
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  Speaker 4: Yah, it certainly is.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, let's talk about local issues, because there has been
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  Speaker 1: a lot happening in the last twenty four hours now.
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  Speaker 1: Yesterday there was a major announcement by Origin Energy they've
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  Speaker 1: sold their share of the Beaterloo Basin gas prospect to
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  Speaker 1: turn Born Resources for sixty million dollars. Now, the Greens
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  Speaker 1: Senator Sarah Hanson Young she's written on Twitter that Origin's
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  Speaker 1: decision was a big blow to the fossil fuel industry. Leah,
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  Speaker 1: the gas industry forms a major aspect of the government's
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  Speaker 1: plans for the economy to bounce back. Now, what do
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  Speaker 1: you make of this decision by Origin.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I don't think this is a win for the Greens.
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  Speaker 3: I think what this is is a really lack of
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  Speaker 3: confidence in the Labor government. Of course, gas was in
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  Speaker 3: an exploration phase. You know, six years ago the Labor
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  Speaker 3: government came in and put the moratorium on gas. We
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  Speaker 3: then had the Pepper Inquiry recommendations and those still haven't
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  Speaker 3: been completed. I mean, we really, by all accounts, should
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  Speaker 3: already be in an extraction phase, and we're not even
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  Speaker 3: you know, we're just not as far down the road
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  Speaker 3: as we need to be to unlock what is a
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  Speaker 3: very very clean energy source that could power the rest
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  Speaker 3: of our country. I mean, we could be providing the
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  Speaker 3: opportunity for Queensland and New South Wales and Victoria to
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  Speaker 3: get off coal, which is, you know, sixty percent dirtier
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  Speaker 3: than our gas out of the Bealoo. So I think
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  Speaker 3: this is a big signal to the Labor government of
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  Speaker 3: a lack of confidence.
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  Speaker 1: How can it be though not a win for the
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  Speaker 1: Greens but a loss for Labor when ultimately that moratorium
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  Speaker 1: was put in place really to bow to the green movement.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Tamboorre and Resources have come in and purchased it.
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  Speaker 3: So tamboor and will undoubtedly pick it up and run
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  Speaker 3: with it as hard as they possibly can. But for
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  Speaker 3: a big plan energy origin to walk away, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: we know, just a couple of weeks ago at the
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  Speaker 3: Labor Party conference here in the territory there were motions
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  Speaker 3: that passed which wanted to stop on your gas. And
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  Speaker 3: so you know, when you've got the Labor Party membership
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  Speaker 3: saying let's stop gas no beterloo and a government really
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  Speaker 3: dragging its heels, it doesn't build a confident.
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  Speaker 2: Economic outlook for the gas industry, like I mean.
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  Speaker 1: On that notche What impact do you think this is
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  Speaker 1: going to have on the government's plans to build and
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  Speaker 1: diversify the economy because we know that Middle Arm is
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  Speaker 1: obviously an area where they are hoping to develop. Now
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  Speaker 1: I understand that the government are certainly saying that part
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  Speaker 1: of that development it is just assumed that it's gas,
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  Speaker 1: but that they are looking to renewables.
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  Speaker 4: But realistically, what impact is this going to have.
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  Speaker 1: I mean when you talk about the Turk Report or
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  Speaker 1: the TOC Report, a lot of that did include gas.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, there is no question that gas underpins our economic
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  Speaker 3: future going forward. You cannot develop Middle Arm without gas.
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  Speaker 3: There needs to be a gas pipeline direct from the
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  Speaker 3: Beeloo into Middle Arm. And if there isn't one and
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  Speaker 3: the government isn't going to build one, then it's what
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  Speaker 3: they're talking about is just absolute hot egg can't happen.
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  Speaker 3: You can't have hydrogen, you can't have a baseload power
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  Speaker 3: for renewables without the gas.
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  Speaker 2: Gas is sixty percent cleaner.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the CLP thirty plus years ago decided to
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  Speaker 3: go with gas instead of other less clean sources and
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  Speaker 3: it's paved an important way for us and we can
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  Speaker 3: now lead our nation provide energy secure, cleaner energy to
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  Speaker 3: our nation. But it is totally under thread and we're
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  Speaker 3: really worried about the fact that the Labor Party don't
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  Speaker 3: want to develop the Beaterloo and that we're hearing not
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  Speaker 3: a lot of positive signals from the Labor government around
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  Speaker 3: the future of that.
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  Speaker 1: Do you worried that they're going to They're going to
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  Speaker 1: try and make this as difficult as possible for any
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  Speaker 1: development or any you know, further work to happen.
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  Speaker 2: There without question, and they already have.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we are six years down the road, four
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  Speaker 3: years since the Pepper Inquiry and the moratorium, and yet
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  Speaker 3: we still haven't passed all the recommendations in parliament. You know,
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  Speaker 3: the industry are expecting those to come through this year.
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  Speaker 3: We certainly haven't seen anything of that nature come through
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  Speaker 3: Parliament yet. And there's only two sitting weeks left. So
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  Speaker 3: you know, this government's really got to put its money
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  Speaker 3: where its mouth is. It can't just say, can't just
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  Speaker 3: say it supports gas. It has to its actions have
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  Speaker 3: to meet its words.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's move along, because yesterday transit officer powers
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  Speaker 1: were enhance The changes follow a number of incidents of
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  Speaker 1: antisocial behavior on well on our public bus network. It's
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  Speaker 1: something that we've spoken about for the last couple of weeks,
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  Speaker 1: and transit officers now essentially can issue banning notices to
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  Speaker 1: people who engage in unlawful or antisocial activity on the network,
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  Speaker 1: including on buses, at bus stops or bus interchanges. They
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  Speaker 1: can also arrest someone if the transit officer is assaulted
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  Speaker 1: while acting in the course of their duty outside the
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  Speaker 1: vicinity of a bus or bus interchange. They can also
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  Speaker 1: arrest someone for a range of offenses committed outside of
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  Speaker 1: the vicinity of a bus or the interchange, and they
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  Speaker 1: can deal with a person who assaults someone or damages
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  Speaker 1: property within the bus network or a bus interchange when
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  Speaker 1: the offender is outside the bus interchange as well.
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  Speaker 4: Lea. Do you think that these changes go far enough?
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  Speaker 3: Look, we certainly supported them in Parliament, but they don't
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  Speaker 3: go far enough, and the reality is there just aren't
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  Speaker 3: enough transit offices to go around. I mean last year,
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  Speaker 3: between July one, twenty twenty and March thirty one, twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty one, there were seven thousand, six hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 3: anti social behavior incidents on public transport. We've got the
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  Speaker 3: Transport Union come out out and saying that they're having
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  Speaker 3: to re barricade drivers into buses because the barricades we
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  Speaker 3: had a year ago are now not strong enough to
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  Speaker 3: withhold and protect bus drivers from the type of violent
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  Speaker 3: offending we're seeing on buses. I mean, this is catastrophic,
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  Speaker 3: particularly at a time when fuel prices are so high.
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  Speaker 3: More people are being driven to the public transport network
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  Speaker 3: because they can't afford to drive their vehicle to work,
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  Speaker 3: and yet we see these disgusting levels of crime and
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  Speaker 3: our poor transit officers. I'm so glad they've finally been
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  Speaker 3: given more powers, but we probably need two or three
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  Speaker 3: times as many of them.
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  Speaker 4: Leah, you said.
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  Speaker 1: Seven six hundred and fifty issues of antisocial behavior over
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  Speaker 1: what period of time is that and where are those
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  Speaker 1: figures from?
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  Speaker 3: That was from one July twenty twenty to May thirty
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  Speaker 3: one at twenty twenty one. I'm pulling it from a
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  Speaker 3: story that the Anti News ran a few weeks ago,
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  Speaker 3: but those numbers also come out through the written question process,
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  Speaker 3: and we're about to ask a whole bunch more because
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  Speaker 3: government have certainly said that those numbers have decreased, and
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  Speaker 3: they've been focusing on antisocial behavior on the transport network,
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  Speaker 3: and we want to actually see if the truth is
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  Speaker 3: it comes out there now.
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  Speaker 1: Leah, I think that everybody probably agrees with you that
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  Speaker 1: we do need more of those antisocials, well more of
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  Speaker 1: those those transit officers on our buses to deal with
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  Speaker 1: the antisocial behavior. The Minister yesterday told us I believe
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  Speaker 1: that they're at nineteen. They have got an additional two
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  Speaker 1: coming on board. I mean you said that they could
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  Speaker 1: almost double or triple those numbers, But how are we
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  Speaker 1: going to fund that? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Well, and this is where it comes back to the budget.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 3: And if this government hadn't fixated itself on pet projects
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  Speaker 3: and hand out money like it's candies in a lolly shop,
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  Speaker 3: then when it comes to problems like this, we could
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  Speaker 3: easily say, right, put an ad in the paper, let's
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  Speaker 3: get thirty more.
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  Speaker 1: Look, there'll be people listening though, who are saying it's
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  Speaker 1: really easy for the opposition leader to just say, well,
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  Speaker 1: we would fund them and we wouldn't waste our money,
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  Speaker 1: but where like, how exactly would you fund them?
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  Speaker 3: So, for example, we wouldn't have given twelve million dollars
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  Speaker 3: for a grandstand. We wouldn't never spend four million on
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  Speaker 3: a shadeless shade structure with vines that don't grow on
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  Speaker 3: Kavanagh Street. You know, these are just a couple of
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  Speaker 3: things I can think of. There's plenty of examples right
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  Speaker 3: around the territory of wasted money, and ultimately we do
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  Speaker 3: need to reign in spending. But you know, community safety
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  Speaker 3: is number one, and at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 3: if people can't be safe in the territory, they won't
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  Speaker 3: stay here, and we need to make sure people feel
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  Speaker 3: safe at all costs.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 1: There were also changes yesterday to the BDR. Now the
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  Speaker 1: devices are going to replace current technology coming to its
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  Speaker 1: end of life. There's going to be tablet chose to
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  Speaker 1: streamline this technology. From your perspective, do you think it's
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  Speaker 1: going to make much of a difference.
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  Speaker 2: No, I really don't.
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  Speaker 3: And what seems very unclear, and I'm happy to be corrected,
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  Speaker 3: is whether or not this new technology will accept the
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  Speaker 3: new driver's license.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's something government have been silent on.
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  Speaker 3: So of course, if you're someone who's got the new
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  Speaker 3: blue shiny license that gets printed into state, you're not
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  Speaker 3: able to be scanned by the BDR, which is then
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  Speaker 3: a manual process for the person. But what I'm more
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  Speaker 3: concerned about is the lost opportunity. Sure, they're going to
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  Speaker 3: spend nearly a million dollars upgrading technology, which makes it
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  Speaker 3: faster for retailers, which is a good thing, but only
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  Speaker 3: points zero seven percent of people get rejected in a month.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the BDR is capturing an extremely small percentage
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  Speaker 3: of takeaway of takeaway grog. And so I really worry
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  Speaker 3: that we don't have enough people on the BDR, that
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  Speaker 3: we missed an opportunity here to enhance the BDR. For example,
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  Speaker 3: could the BDR also scan the age of the person
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  Speaker 3: so that they you know, you don't have to hand
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  Speaker 3: your idea over as well to look for whether you're
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  Speaker 3: eighteen and a range of other things.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean as well, whether there's a way that
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  Speaker 1: it can actually kind of that it can somehow, you know,
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  Speaker 1: determine how much alcohol people have purchased in the last
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  Speaker 1: you know, if they're and I'm just thinking out loud here,
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  Speaker 1: whether there is actually a way that if there is
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  Speaker 1: somebody who's purchasing copious amounts of alcohol and then on selling,
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  Speaker 1: whether there's a way that you can track.
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  Speaker 4: To that kind of thing or track it.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know, but I do think that there
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  Speaker 1: is certainly some capacity here for there to be a
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  Speaker 1: bit of a review of the BDR, for sure, to
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  Speaker 1: make it more effective effective exactly.
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  Speaker 3: So out of five nearly so, out of half a
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  Speaker 3: million BDR related sales for the month of July, three
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  Speaker 3: hundred and fifty five people were a few, so that's
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  Speaker 3: point zero seven percent, So it's really small. And when
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  Speaker 3: you look at where the referrals are coming from, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm really alarmed. For example, coming out of domestic violence orders,
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  Speaker 3: only nineteen people were put on the BDR, when you
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  Speaker 3: know all of the information shows us that domestic violence
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  Speaker 3: is highly related to alcohol. And of course we've got
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  Speaker 3: no referrals from health to the BDR.
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  Speaker 4: We know there was half a million transactions yep.
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  Speaker 3: So if it's all on the government's website, so anyone
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  Speaker 3: can pull up the BDR stats and I encourage people
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  Speaker 3: to go and have a look. They do a monthly
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  Speaker 3: report or usually they do a monthly.
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  Speaker 2: Report, I should say.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, when you look at the pathways for
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  Speaker 3: people to get on the BDR, the onus is really
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  Speaker 3: put on our police and our courts, which is unfair
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  Speaker 3: to a large extent because the reality is, and this
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  Speaker 3: is something I've talked about for years, is that where
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  Speaker 3: our health and this health are seeing people come into
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  Speaker 3: hospital chronically affected by alcohol, We've got Mission Australia and
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  Speaker 3: other agencies running rehabilitation. Where is their role in putting
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  Speaker 3: people on the BDR.
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  Speaker 2: It just doesn't it how.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody is presenting to hospital with alcohol related harm, the
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  Speaker 1: health department should be able to put them on the BDR.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely they should be.
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  Speaker 3: If they are seeing the same person come in several
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  Speaker 3: times a week, If the alcohol rehabilitation facilities are seeing
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  Speaker 3: the same people over and over again, at what point
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  Speaker 3: do they have a responsibility to stop access to grog?
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  Speaker 4: I mean is it a big call?
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  Speaker 1: Though? When you're talking about as doctors, those working in
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  Speaker 1: the sobering up shelters who are already under the pump, like,
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  Speaker 1: is it something that should also be put on their shoulders.
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  Speaker 3: Well, police are incredibly under the pump. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 3: just the reality is this. Do we believe alcohol is
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  Speaker 3: harming people? If the answer is yes, then what are
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  Speaker 3: we doing about supporting people to break their habit?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 3: This government's decided that dealing with restricting supply is one area.
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  Speaker 3: We believe there should be a type of mandatory treatment
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  Speaker 3: where someone has completely given up on themselves and succumbed
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  Speaker 3: to their addiction, we believe government should step in and
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  Speaker 3: say hang on, you need help, you can't help yourself.
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  Speaker 3: This government's taken a different approach with voluntary rehab. But
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, if you're the registrar sitting at a rehab
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  Speaker 3: it's not that difficult to then make a referral to
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  Speaker 3: the BDR.
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  Speaker 1: Well, look, I think that there's going to be people
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  Speaker 1: with some pretty strong opinions on that and whether it
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  Speaker 1: should be something that you know that the registrar obviously
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  Speaker 1: at one of those you know locations should actually be
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  Speaker 1: determining or not. But we'll see what our listeners think.
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  Speaker 1: Feel free to send us a message zero four double
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  Speaker 1: nine seven double one three six zero Leah. We are
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  Speaker 1: running out of time very quickly, but I do want
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  Speaker 1: to ask. Obviously new Coorp president was elected over the weekend,
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  Speaker 1: Lawson Broad stepping into that role. From your perspective, obviously
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  Speaker 1: it's a parliamentary wing leader. What does that mean for
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  Speaker 1: the party.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, look, it was a really fantastic weekend. We had
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  Speaker 3: some great policy discussions. But also the party has elected
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  Speaker 3: laws and Broad to be our president, Terry Hart to
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  Speaker 3: be our vice president, and Sean Heenan and Alice Springs
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  Speaker 3: as our second vice president. This represents an incredibly strong, capable,
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  Speaker 3: experienced leadership team which is really going to help drive
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  Speaker 3: the CLP forward over the next two years. The countdown
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  Speaker 3: is absolutely onto twenty twenty four, Katie, and we are
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  Speaker 3: getting ourselves into top shape to show territories that we
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  Speaker 3: are the government for them come twenty four.
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  Speaker 4: Lea very quick question from one of our listeners.
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  Speaker 1: It says, why won't the CLP support the calls for
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  Speaker 1: a royal commission into how Northern Territory police are being treated?
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  Speaker 1: And why have they gone quiet since that was put
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  Speaker 1: on the table.
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  Speaker 3: Look, the Member for Blaine is being political about this
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  Speaker 3: and I don't really appreciate the sort of social media
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  Speaker 3: e war he is trying to fight. I'm not interested
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  Speaker 3: in what he has to say. Quite frankly, we have
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  Speaker 3: tried three times in Parliament to get this government to
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  Speaker 3: commence an inquiry into our police force over two years.
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  Speaker 2: Three times we have tried.
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  Speaker 3: We want to see a review into the police force
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  Speaker 3: which is in absolute crisis. But if the Member for
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  Speaker 3: Blaine thinks he's going to get a royal commission up
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  Speaker 3: when this government won't even run a parliamentary inquiry, then
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  Speaker 3: quite frankly he's dreaming.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, should there be a royal commission into this space?
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  Speaker 3: I think there needs to be a full inquiry. If
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  Speaker 3: a royal commission is then the right step after that,
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  Speaker 3: then so be it. But you've got to you know,
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  Speaker 3: you've got to crawl before you can run. And ultimately
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  Speaker 3: we think that the government has completely absconded from its
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  Speaker 3: responsibilities and leadership here to make sure that the police
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  Speaker 3: survey which showed that eighty percent of our police force
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: do not have confidence in the commissioner, that ninety percent
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: don't want the public service pay frees, that morale is
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: through the floor. We think those things need to be
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: examined and we've thought that for two very long years.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: Is tried everything we can to force the issue and
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: ultimately government are just baring their head in the sand.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: Robin Lamley has come out incredibly strong over the weekend
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: and written an opinion piece in the Northern Territory News saying,
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: in her words, which the Police Commissioner has failed on
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: his number one KPI and that is upholding law and order.
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: Do you feel he should stand down?
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: Well, this is why we want to have the inquiry.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: We think the Commissioner and the executive should have to
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: front up, explain what the problem is, what they're going
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: to do about it, and then ultimately, based on the
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: answers to that forensic and questioning decide whether or not
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: his tenure is able to remain.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: This is an important process that needs to happen.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: He needs to be given the right of reply and
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: opportunity to explain a way forward. But ultimately to leave
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: this and do nothing is not okay.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Well, look, he did do his best to try and
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: explain a way forward on the show a few weeks ago.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: We had him on and certainly asked him why he
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: still felt as so he was the best place and
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: the best person to be leading the Northern Territory Police
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Force despite those survey results and despite what was going on.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, do you feel as though he's adequately explained that.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: No, And it's look, it's great that he came on
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: Radio Katie and I'm absolutely not knocking that. But ultimately
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: this is about performance management. You know, you have an executive,
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: they then require performance management when you get these types
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: of results. And if the government aren't going to performance
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: manage their commissioner and police executive, then the Parliament can.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: And that's exactly what we're talking about.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: This is basically a performance management formal process that has
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: to happen now to work out what the next step is.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Leah Finocchio, the opposition leader, we are going to have
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: to leave it there. Thanks so much for your time
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: and I hope you enjoy the rest of your birthday.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Thank you everyone, Take care,