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The TRUTH About ED _ LORRAINE WARREN · CelinaSpookyBoo

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  Speaker 1: The fame of Ed and Lorraine Warren, known as the
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  Speaker 1: adorable Ghostbusters, has soared in 21st century pop culture. This
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  Speaker 1: rise is mainly due to the hugely popular Conjuring movie series,
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  Speaker 1: loosely inspired by their lives. Vera Farmiga portrays Lorraine and
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  Speaker 1: Patrick Wilson plays Ed. The franchise has also spawned successful
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  Speaker 1: spinoffs like Annabelle, centered around the Warrens' eerie doll, and
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  Speaker 1: The Nun, featuring a demonic entity from the previous films. Additionally,
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  Speaker 1: in 2009, the horror hit A Haunting in Connecticut and
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  Speaker 1: various best-selling books depict the Warrens as fearless defenders against
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  Speaker 1: the supernatural. However, not all of this is based on reality.
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  Speaker 1: Some might protest, not Ed and Lorraine. They were a
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  Speaker 1: pure-hearted couple who battled evil across America in the 70s
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  Speaker 1: and 80s. But the truth is actually much less fantastical.
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  Speaker 1: Reports of their involvement in famous cases like the Amityville
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  Speaker 1: Haunting were exaggerated. While their ability to exercise spirits is doubtful,
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  Speaker 1: Their talent for self-promotion was certainly undisputed. Now, don't get
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  Speaker 1: me wrong. I really did want to believe that the
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  Speaker 1: hauntings they worked on were all real, but the more
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  Speaker 1: I researched their life and work, the less convinced I
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  Speaker 1: really have become. Hello, and welcome to The Haunted Estate,
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  Speaker 1: here with your host, me, Selina Myers. Before I spill
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  Speaker 1: the tea on Ed and Lorraine Warren, ooh, we have
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  Speaker 1: to sip the tea. Why is it spicy? Today, there
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  Speaker 1: are two contrasting images of the Warrens. In one portrayal,
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  Speaker 1: popularized by The Conjuring movies, they were depicted as a lovable, wise,
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  Speaker 1: brave couple anyone would admire. However, skeptics view them differently,
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  Speaker 1: seeing them as manipulative opportunists and fake psychics, exploiting vulnerable
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  Speaker 1: families for fame and fortune. The Netflix documentary, The Devil
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  Speaker 1: on Trial, explores this perspective, suggesting the Warrens were not
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  Speaker 1: as virtuous as portrayed. Moreover, allegations surfaced after Ed's death
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  Speaker 1: in 2006 that accusing him of engaging in sexual relationship
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  Speaker 1: with an underage girl. And apparently, Lorraine knew. So, who
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  Speaker 1: were the Warrens, and how did their reputation become so controversial? Well,
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  Speaker 1: here we go. Ed and Lorraine hailed from Bridgeport, Connecticut,
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  Speaker 1: both raised in the folds of the Catholic faith. Their
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  Speaker 1: paths intertwined in 1944 during their teenage years. By then,
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  Speaker 1: Lorraine had already embraced her purported abilities as a psychic medium.
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  Speaker 1: while Ed's fascination with the supernatural had deepened after growing
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  Speaker 1: up in a house that he believed to be haunted.
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  Speaker 1: After serving in World War II, Ed pursued art studies
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  Speaker 1: in college. However, his passion veered towards the paranormal, leading
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  Speaker 1: him to channel his artistic talents into exploring the unknown
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  Speaker 1: alongside Lorraine. Together, they went on ventures to allegedly haunted houses.
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  Speaker 1: Ed would sketch portraits of these dwellings, presenting them as
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  Speaker 1: gifts to the homeowners to gain entry. Once inside, Lorraine
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  Speaker 1: would often attempt to communicate with the spirits. Their reputation
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  Speaker 1: as demonologists and ghost hunters gradually flourished from these endeavors.
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  Speaker 1: In 1952, the couple founded the New England Society for
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  Speaker 1: Psychic Research. Currently, the New England Skeptical Society emerged in 1996,
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  Speaker 1: offering contrasting viewpoints from and becoming one of the Warrens'
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  Speaker 1: most vocal critics. The emphasis on research lent credibility to
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  Speaker 1: the Warrens during a time when the interests of the
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  Speaker 1: occult surged. As their son-in-law, Tony Serpa, notes on the website,
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  Speaker 1: the Warrens became a beacon to those seeking assistance when
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  Speaker 1: no one else would lend an ear. Over their extensive career,
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  Speaker 1: the Warrens reportedly investigated over 10,000 cases of paranormal activity.
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  Speaker 1: Among these, several cases propelled them into the limelight, partly
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  Speaker 1: due to their adeptness at leveraging their involvement of their
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  Speaker 1: book deals and the publicity. For example, while the Warrens
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  Speaker 1: were among many paranormal enthusiasts who investigated the Amityville tragedy,
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  Speaker 1: they were among the most well-known, and their involvement is
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  Speaker 1: frequently mentioned in the prevalent pop culture narratives surrounding it.
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  Speaker 1: In case you didn't know, the horror unfolded in Amityville,
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  Speaker 1: Long Island, just before Thanksgiving in 1974. The residents at
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  Speaker 1: 112 Ocean Avenue belonged to the DeFeo family. Ronald, the
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  Speaker 1: eldest son at 23, confessed to the gruesome murder of
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  Speaker 1: his parents and four younger siblings. During his trial in 1975,
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  Speaker 1: DeFeo claimed insanity, stating that he acted under the influence
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  Speaker 1: of voices in his head. DeFeo was eventually convicted under
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  Speaker 1: six counts of second-degree murder and received six life sentences
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  Speaker 1: in November 1975. He passed away in prison, in March 2021,
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  Speaker 1: at 69 years old. The house lay vacant until December 1975,
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  Speaker 1: when George and Kathy Lutz purchased it and moved in
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  Speaker 1: with their children. Despite having the home blessed by a priest,
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  Speaker 1: they seemingly encountered torment at the outset. George recounted to
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  Speaker 1: ABC News in 2002 how doors slammed, unseen forces immobilized
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  Speaker 1: him in bed while his children's bed seemingly bounced uncontrollably,
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  Speaker 1: and his wife underwent a startling transformation and levitation. Just
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  Speaker 1: four weeks into their stay, the Lutz family fled, leaving
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  Speaker 1: behind their possessions. Five months later, Ed and Lorraine Warren
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  Speaker 1: arrived to investigate. Ed was allegedly physically pushed, while Lorraine
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  Speaker 1: experienced haunting visions. The Warrens claimed to have captured a
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  Speaker 1: photo of a booming child in the basement, concluding demonic
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  Speaker 1: forces were at play. The Lutz family sold the house
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  Speaker 1: and relocated to California. The property changed hands several times,
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  Speaker 1: and no further reports of paranormal activity happened, according to
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  Speaker 1: the New York Post. The case would go on to
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  Speaker 1: inspire numerous movies based on the Warrens' investigation. However, the
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  Speaker 1: most real incident out of all of this was Ronald
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  Speaker 1: DeFeo Jr. 's murder of his two parents, two brothers,
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  Speaker 1: and two sisters. In truth, all the demonic manifestations that
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  Speaker 1: the Lutz family came to experience were possibly not real? Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Stephen Kaplan recounted the true narrative in his extensively documented book,
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  Speaker 1: The Amityville Conspiracy. As a parapsychologist, he had been invited
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  Speaker 1: by the Lutz family to investigate the events early on. However,
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  Speaker 1: when he stated that if he discovered a fraud, he
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  Speaker 1: would reveal it, the Lutz family fired him and promptly
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  Speaker 1: replaced him with, you guessed it, Ed and Lorraine Warren.
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  Speaker 1: Steve Kaplan was vindicated when William Weber, the DeFeo's lawyer,
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  Speaker 1: revealed later in the sworn testimony that he and the
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  Speaker 1: Lutzes made up the narrative about the demonic home over
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  Speaker 1: several bottles of wine. But surely the Lutz family did
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  Speaker 1: have some independent evidence or eyewitness accounts of the poltergeist events? Well, no,
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  Speaker 1: nobody else saw them. George and Kathleen Lutz were the
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  Speaker 1: only ones who witnessed all of the demonic activity. According
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  Speaker 1: to the police records, the Lutz family did not even
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  Speaker 1: call for aid during the three or four weeks of
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  Speaker 1: alleged hauntings, though the movies and novels do state that
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  Speaker 1: the cops were called in. theatrical, you know? In reality,
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  Speaker 1: every alleged demonic apparition that led the Lutz family to
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  Speaker 1: evacuate the residence was debunked. The supposed havoc wreaked upon
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  Speaker 1: the house, including doors and windows were allegedly torn off
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  Speaker 1: their hinges or smashed. They showed no signs of damage
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  Speaker 1: upon inspection. Even the purported demonic footprints in the snow
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  Speaker 1: that materialized during a period when the weather records that
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  Speaker 1: there was no snowfall at all. Similarly, the small third
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  Speaker 1: floor windows said to have been cracked in the shape
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  Speaker 1: of a quarter moon and displayed no evidence of cracks
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  Speaker 1: or repairs. The infamous Red Room, believed to be a
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  Speaker 1: sinister dungeon, turned out to be nothing more than a
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  Speaker 1: plumbing access space. These discrepancies continued throughout the Lutz family claims. Eventually,
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  Speaker 1: the Lutz family even admitted that the entire haunting story
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  Speaker 1: was a fabrication. This was an admission that emerged during
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  Speaker 1: a series of messy legal battles. In one trial, their
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  Speaker 1: former lawyer, Weber, sued them for allegedly excluding him from
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  Speaker 1: a lucrative book deal... seeking a staggering $ 2 million in damages.
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  Speaker 1: Another trial ensued when the subsequent homeowners sued the Lutzes,
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  Speaker 1: author Jay Anson and the book publishers, for fraudulent claims
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  Speaker 1: of hauntings. They argued that these claims led to the
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  Speaker 1: invasion of their privacy, as curious visitors frequently trespassed on
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  Speaker 1: their property at all hours. Ronald DeFeo Jr., the murderer
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  Speaker 1: whose actions sparked the initial fascination of the house, denounced
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  Speaker 1: the entire saga from prison as a money-driven hoax. He
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  Speaker 1: emphasized that the only real aspect was the tragic murders,
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  Speaker 1: rejecting the notion of ghosts or demons. Furthermore, individuals falsely
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  Speaker 1: credited as witnesses to the alleged demonic events also threatened
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  Speaker 1: legal action against the Lutzes and Anson. Consequently, these individuals
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  Speaker 1: were discreetly removed from later editions of the book. Subsequent owners,
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  Speaker 1: like Barbara and James Comtree, reported to no supernatural encounters
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  Speaker 1: in the house. Their only issued statements from nosy tourists
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  Speaker 1: and bystanders was to deter unwanted attention. Bystanders! Bystanders! That's
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  Speaker 1: a Salianism! Later, the owners even renumbered the house and
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  Speaker 1: altered its distinctive features. I'm thinking of those big windows, right?
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  Speaker 1: The supposed Amityville haunting has been frequently disproved and universally
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  Speaker 1: regarded as a hoax by almost everyone who witnessed the episode,
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  Speaker 1: with the exception of the Warrens, who insisted for years
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  Speaker 1: that Amityville was the most haunted area they'd ever seen.
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  Speaker 1: They benefited greatly from their dedication to the topic. They
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  Speaker 1: worked as story advisors on the 1982's Amityville Horror 2 series,
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  Speaker 1: a prequel about the DeFeo murders. We should watch all those.
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  Speaker 1: We should. And, of course, The Conjuring 2, which mentions
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  Speaker 1: the Amityville investigation. Who doesn't know about the Amityville horror house? Nobody.
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  Speaker 1: What a money horse. Big time, buddy. Big time, buddy.
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  Speaker 1: Most significantly, Amityville's notoriety increased their visibility and established them
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  Speaker 1: as go-to authorities for all things paranormal. Even I've spoken
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  Speaker 1: to Lorraine. Several additional reported hauntings and exorcisms would go
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  Speaker 1: on to become inextentively linked to the Warrens. The 1991
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  Speaker 1: made-for-TV film The Haunted, we need to watch that, in
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  Speaker 1: which they play characters, is based on the account of
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  Speaker 1: the Smurl family, purported paranormal case, their best-selling 1992 book
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  Speaker 1: A Dark Place, co-written with novelist Ray Garten, D. their
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  Speaker 1: study into a supposed event that inspired the 2009 film
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  Speaker 1: the haunting in connecticut that's a good one on that
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  Speaker 1: occasion the snedneckers claimed to be seeing spirits of those
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  Speaker 1: whose remains had previously passed through the mortuary turned to
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  Speaker 1: home eventually this led to demonic possession However, according to
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  Speaker 1: a highly cynical interview, Garten alleged that he had gave
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  Speaker 1: the Horrorbound magazine, which was later republished on the Paranormal
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  Speaker 1: Studies and Inquiry Canada website. The Warrens not only knew
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  Speaker 1: the whole thing was a hoax, but also told Garten
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  Speaker 1: to invent whatever details he wanted to sell the story.
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  Speaker 1: As I gathered all the necessary information for the book,
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  Speaker 1: I found that accounts of the individual Snedneckers didn't quite mesh.
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  Speaker 1: They just couldn't keep their stories straight. I went to
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  Speaker 1: Ed with this problem. Oh, they're just crazy, he said.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody who comes to us is crazy. Otherwise, why would
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  Speaker 1: they come to us? You've got some of the same story.
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  Speaker 1: Just use what works and make the rest up and
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  Speaker 1: make it scary. You write scary books, right? That's why
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  Speaker 1: we hired you. So just make it up and make
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  Speaker 1: it scary. Garden also implies that in that interview that
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  Speaker 1: the Warrens changed their expertise from ghosts to demons only
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  Speaker 1: because of the popularity of the exorcist. Back when I
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  Speaker 1: was reading about the Warrens, they were ghost hunters. Every
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  Speaker 1: house they investigated had at least one ghost, and there
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  Speaker 1: was always a spooky story behind it. But after The
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  Speaker 1: Exorcist was so wildly popular as a first as the novel,
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  Speaker 1: then the book, Ed and Lorraine stopped encountering ghosts and
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  Speaker 1: started to uncover demon infestations. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 1: Then there is the famed The Devil Made Me Do
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  Speaker 1: It trial, which was the subject of the new Netflix
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  Speaker 1: documentary and the premise for the third Conjuring film, officially
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  Speaker 1: titled The Conjuring, The Devil Made Me Do It, in
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  Speaker 1: which the Warrens allegedly assisted in the exorcism of a
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  Speaker 1: young child called David in 1980. During the event, which
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  Speaker 1: took place during the early years of Satanic Panic, a
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  Speaker 1: participant named Arnie Glunson, the boy's elder sister's lover, supposedly
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  Speaker 1: challenged the demon to enter him, causing him to become
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  Speaker 1: possessed and then shoot and kill his landlord. Alan Bono,
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  Speaker 1: during the subsequent murder trial, the defense attempted to assert
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  Speaker 1: demonic possession. However, the court denied the defense and Johnson
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  Speaker 1: was later found guilty of first-degree manslaughter. The Warrens left
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  Speaker 1: all that behind with another bestseller, the 1983 The Devil
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  Speaker 1: in Connecticut. This is all intriguing, to be sure. But
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  Speaker 1: the Glatzel family has since been bitterly divided over the
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  Speaker 1: events about David, who was 11 at the time, claims
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  Speaker 1: if he was truly possessed, and his elder sister, Mary Johnson,
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  Speaker 1: and lived with him until her death in 2021. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: his older brother, Carl... Yep. In 2007, he sued the Warrens,
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  Speaker 1: saying the book was based on complete lies and that
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  Speaker 1: the Warrens concocted a phony story about demons in an
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  Speaker 1: attempt to get rich and famous at our expense. The action,
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  Speaker 1: which was eventually rejected... alleged that the Warrens portrayed Carl's
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  Speaker 1: real-life skepticism as an enmity caused by his own demonic possession,
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  Speaker 1: a characterization that stuck with him ever since. In the
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  Speaker 1: new Netflix documentary, he even accuses them of driving his
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  Speaker 1: family apart. And on it goes. Every major incident in
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  Speaker 1: which the Warrens have been involved over the years was
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  Speaker 1: completely disproved, presuming supporting evidence was ever presented in the
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  Speaker 1: first place. In other situations, the Warrens claimed To have
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  Speaker 1: video or photographic proof, that literally never happened. In one
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  Speaker 1: 1990 encounter, Ed Warren described a film I took of
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  Speaker 1: a female spirit who allegedly was wandering a gravesite. The
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  Speaker 1: film was never released, and the spirit was apparently created
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  Speaker 1: by a woman named Judith Penny, who was wearing a
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  Speaker 1: white bedsheet over her head. The counter-argument to all the
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  Speaker 1: skepticism essentially goes like this. The Warrens did profit from
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  Speaker 1: the books and the public appearances, yes. But they never
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  Speaker 1: charged for investigating cases. They gave some of the profits
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  Speaker 1: from their books to families impacted by the cases. And
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  Speaker 1: they didn't make that much money. They seemed to believe
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  Speaker 1: in what they're doing. And if they did exaggerate, you know. Plus,
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  Speaker 1: even the skeptics who investigated them commented on how nice
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  Speaker 1: they both were. Surely, they're nice people and they couldn't
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  Speaker 1: be scammers, right? Yet, underlying all of this debate and
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  Speaker 1: undermining all of the Warren supporters... is a much darker
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  Speaker 1: cynicism surrounding who the Warrens were, particularly the difference between
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  Speaker 1: their public and private faces. Judith Penny, who is sometimes
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  Speaker 1: described as Ed's assistant or his liaison, was alleged that
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  Speaker 1: beginning in the early 1960s, Ed Warren, who then in
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  Speaker 1: his 30s, was grooming her. In 1963, when she was 15,
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  Speaker 1: Penny claimed that Warren moved her into the Warrens' house
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  Speaker 1: in Bridgeport and then commenced a full-blown sexual affair with
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  Speaker 1: Lorraine's full consent. That lasted a few years before Ed's
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  Speaker 1: death in 2006. Penny's alleged relationship with Warren came to
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  Speaker 1: light in 2017 via The Hollywood Reporter, which was critical
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  Speaker 1: of both the Warrens and The Conjuring franchise for continuing
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  Speaker 1: to valorize the Warrens and the allegations of Ed Warren's
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  Speaker 1: predatory behavior that first came to light in 2014. Both
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  Speaker 1: Warner Bros. and the Warren family have painted Penny as
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  Speaker 1: a vulnerable elderly woman being manipulated by bad actors and
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  Speaker 1: into fabricating claims as a part of lawsuits filed by
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  Speaker 1: various greedy parties against the Conjuring franchise. Lorraine never commented
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  Speaker 1: on the allegations, and she passed away in 2019. However,
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  Speaker 1: there seems to be some proof. Penny was reportedly arrested
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  Speaker 1: for delinquency because she moved in with Warren, and her
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  Speaker 1: presence in the house gets a nod in the 1980
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  Speaker 1: book about the Warrens, The Demonologist. That is one of
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  Speaker 1: my favorite books. In alleged grooming allegations sit to the
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  Speaker 1: core of the conflict surrounding the portrayal of the Warrens
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  Speaker 1: In both written accounts and pop culture, on one hand,
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  Speaker 1: the immensely successful Conjuring franchise, worth billions, thrives on an
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  Speaker 1: audience's affection for the Warrens as its characters. However, this
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  Speaker 1: affection is rooted in belief of their real-life purity and sincerity,
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  Speaker 1: a belief that becomes increasingly challenging to maintain as more
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  Speaker 1: details surface about their lives. Take, for example, Lorraine Warren's
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  Speaker 1: depiction as a devout, virtuous Catholic in the movies. Often
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  Speaker 1: depicted as bravely confronting demonic forces, in reality, according to
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  Speaker 1: Penny's allegations, Lorraine was not only aware but also complicit
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  Speaker 1: in Ed's abuse. Penny further claimed that Lorraine pressured her
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  Speaker 1: into undergoing an abortion. Additionally, Penny alleged that Ed was
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  Speaker 1: both physically and verbally abusive to Lorraine throughout their marriage.
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  Speaker 1: Feminist author Jude Doyle condemned the portrayal of the Warrens
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  Speaker 1: as heroes, asserting that any glorification of them is reprehensible
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  Speaker 1: in the light of these allegations. In essence, the public's
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  Speaker 1: admiration for the fictional Warrens drives curiosity and scrutiny of
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  Speaker 1: the Warrens. Paradoxically, this increased the awareness, which makes it
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  Speaker 1: harder to sustain interest in the fictional portrayals. Nevertheless, Warner Bros.
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  Speaker 1: continues to capitalize on the Warrens legacy and the Conjuring franchise,
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  Speaker 1: but with some adjustments. And hey guys, those are some
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  Speaker 1: of my favorite movies ever. While spinoffs like The Nun
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  Speaker 1: and Annabelle have shifted focus away from the Warrens, they
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  Speaker 1: still serve as spiritual guides within the cinematic universe. As
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  Speaker 1: Bethy Squirrels noted in the franchise balancing act between religious
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  Speaker 1: undertones and commercialism, makes it a captivating subject for analysis.
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  Speaker 1: The Warren legacy, primarily upheld in their son-in-law Spira, extends
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  Speaker 1: beyond the mere religious beliefs. On his website, Spira captures
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  Speaker 1: the essence of the Warrens' appeal, highlighting their message in
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  Speaker 1: a world that often dismisses the supernatural. The fairy tale
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  Speaker 1: is true. The devil exists. God exists. But what stands
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  Speaker 1: out here isn't just the mention of devil or god.
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  Speaker 1: It's the reference to the fairy tale. Spira recognizes that
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  Speaker 1: the Warrens' story isn't just about ghosts or demons. It's
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  Speaker 1: about the romanticized narrative of Ed and Lorraine as devote
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  Speaker 1: truth seekers. This fairy tale isn't just about dispelling mental
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  Speaker 1: illnesses with holy water and Latin chants. It's about finding
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  Speaker 1: purpose alongside your spiritual partner in a world full of skepticism.
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  Speaker 1: This narrative, however, is a part of the illusions that
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  Speaker 1: the Warrens expertly sold. While their actions may have stemmed
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  Speaker 1: from deeply ingrained religious fervor, they had unintended consequences. As
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  Speaker 1: revealed in Judith Penny's claims and the documentary Devil on Trial,
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  Speaker 1: real people soft from the aftermath of the Warrens' exploits. Carl,
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  Speaker 1: for instance, was portrayed as a demon-possessed villain in the
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  Speaker 1: Warrens of the incident, simply because he insisted it was
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  Speaker 1: a hoax. Now, as pop culture perpetuates the myth of
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  Speaker 1: the Warrens, separating truth from fiction becomes really honestly increasingly challenging.
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  Speaker 1: Because we know things go bump in the night. We've
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  Speaker 1: seen it. We've heard it. I have. But that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mean that in moments when things happen, my brain doesn't
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  Speaker 1: try to figure out if they're real or not. I
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  Speaker 1: believe a lot of what they saw, heard, and did
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: was real. But I do believe a lot of it wasn't, too. Hey,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: there was something real going on there. But they're actors, too. Like,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: They amp up. You put on a show. It's a show!
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: But it's still real. Here's the thing. I respect Ed
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: and Lurie more. I think what they did was sick.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Look what they've created from it. The thing is, ghosts
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: are real, demons are real. Maybe it's a lot of
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: the stuff they didn't. I feel like this, like, kind
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: of falsely really shits on them a lot. I think
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: that there's a lot of, like, spooky stuff out there.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: You've got to watch, too. Like, it can go to
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: people's head, right? So, like, they could have been doing
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: real things in the beginning that weren't so insane, but
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: then maybe they did start making stuff up in the end. So,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: guys in saying that don't whistle in the woods at
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: night don't cause yourself problems and um stay spooky hope
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: you enjoyed the tea i'm gonna i'm gonna get more
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: further more individuals further okay scroll down he kept laughing
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: You know what? If you're mad at Ed and Lorraine Warren,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: it's probably the demons in here. It's probably the real
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: demons that Ed and Lorraine... Here's the thing.